Pedal Steel Like You’ve Never Seen It Before: Roosevelt Collier, “Supernatural Encounters”

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The official music video for “Supernatural Encounters“ by Roosevelt Collier, from his upcoming full length album “Exit 16” out on GroundUP Music. Pre-order available now, available worldwide March 9th.

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Produced by Michael League

Music:
Roosevelt Collier: Pedal Steel Guitar
Michael League: Bass Guitar
Jason “JT” Thomas: Drums
Bobby Sparks: Keys

Engineered and mixed by Nic Hard
Mastered by Dave McNair Mastering
Directed by Stella K

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635 comments

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:18:43pm

And so it begins. Nom nom nom.

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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:20:23pm
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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:21:18pm

re: #1 MsJ

And so it begins. Nom nom nom.

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:)

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:23:20pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:23:56pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:24:52pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

My kids are not allowed to be disrespectful to me or to Mrs. Fish. Any other adult, however, they are allowed to disrespect, if they are being stupid. In time, they will be allowed to be disrespectful to us as well, knowing that we have our moments of stupidity the same as anyone else.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:26:30pm

re: #6 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My kids are not allowed to be disrespectful to me or to Mrs. Fish. Any other adult, however, they are allowed to disrespect, if they are being stupid. In time, they will be allowed to be disrespectful to us as well, knowing that we have our moments of stupidity the same as anyone else.

My kid is more of the subtle knife type. You’re walking away, feeling good about yourself, until you realize he cut your liver without puncturing the skin.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:27:48pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

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We’ve had other Special Guests at our RAZZIE ceremonies including Paul Verhoeven, Robert Conrad and Sandra Bullock. The worst was Tom Greene who we had to drag off the stage as he was doing the worst harmonica solo of all time…

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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:28:06pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:29:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:30:25pm

re: #6 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My kids are not allowed to be disrespectful to me or to Mrs. Fish. Any other adult, however, they are allowed to disrespect, if they are being stupid. In time, they will be allowed to be disrespectful to us as well, knowing that we have our moments of stupidity the same as anyone else.

Poor Laura ingraham is being horribly “ratioed” while Sarah Chadwick is getting a massive amount of support retweets.

The teenagers involved in this are not backing down in the face of conservative bullying, they are doubling down.

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:31:03pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:31:10pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

I had to sign in just to upding that one.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:33:29pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:35:22pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:37:13pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:37:46pm

Saw my first Tesla Model 3 in the wild last night.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:37:49pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:38:55pm

Not like we were really anticipating a different result

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:39:01pm

re: #17 Blind Frog Belly White

Saw my first Tesla Model 3 in the wild last night.

I finally had my first encounter with an actual running Tesla a few days ago; there are several who park in my parking garage, but this week I finally was parking next to one as he was pulling out of his spot. It was a little disconcerting how quiet the damn thing was as he drove away.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:39:50pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

Do they have cheese filled pop tarts?

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:39:52pm

That was badass! The guy reminds me of Robert Randolph with a more aggressive tone.

As someone who plays pedal steel (kinda), I really dig what he’s doing.

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:40:28pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:41:53pm

When I’m in Vail or Aspen I see Teslas all the time.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:43:17pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

When I’m in Vail or Aspen I see Teslas all the time.

I see the same few guys on the road. We have lots of rich-guy cars, but mostly Beamers and Mercedes; Teslas haven’t quite caught on here yet. The few that are here, are fairly recognizable.

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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:44:23pm
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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:44:30pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

When I’m in Vail or Aspen I see Teslas all the time.

Well, yeah…that’s because you’re stepping into their breeding grounds.

///

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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:45:38pm

re: #26 gocart mozart

Damn, Sarah’s just slicing and dicing here.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:46:05pm

Kinda funny, that. Lots of Beamers and Mercs, but not a whole lot of Lincolns or Cadillacs. Even amongst the luxury car owners, I still manage to stand out in an entirely different way. I opt for American luxury (big fat car, big fat engine) over precise German engineering.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:46:16pm

Interestingly, in my regional newspaper today, the on-line poll in this very conservative area is “do you think there should be stricter background checks to buy a gun” and the overwhelming majority of votes so far (90% with hundreds of votes) say “yes.”

Normally the on-line poll is lucky to get fifty responses. Only subscribers to the newspaper can respond to the poll.

If that issue is important enough to a significant portion of the voters, that would flip a few political seats here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:46:51pm

re: #25 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I see the same few guys on the road. We have lots of rich-guy cars, but mostly Beamers and Mercedes; Teslas haven’t quite caught on here yet. The few that are here, are fairly recognizable.

My understanding is that Teslas aren’t so great at heating and air conditioning. In the Bay Area, that’s not a problem. In places that get cold AND hot, maybe more of an issue.

Plus, I think there’s an issue with batteries in the very cold.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:47:02pm

Besides the Bay Area, the Tesla capita is also quite high in Boulder.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:47:23pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

When I’m in Vail or Aspen I see Teslas all the time.

I’ve never seen one. I own the most unusual car in this area.

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gocart mozart  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:47:53pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:48:06pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

My understanding is that Teslas aren’t so great at heating and air conditioning. In the Bay Area, that’s not a problem. In places that get cold AND hot, maybe more of an issue.

Plus, I think there’s an issue with batteries in the very cold.

That’s undoubtedly true. Again, I see a few, and the one I was just talking about was within the week, so obviously they’re able to survive the Minnesota winters somehow. But obviously not nearly as popular as the traditional “status” cars, the German luxury cars.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:49:04pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

Plus, I think there’s an issue with batteries in the very cold.

I’m sure that’s not really an issue with heated garages and charging stations in the public parking garages, as Aspen and Vail have in abundance.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:52:05pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart

Not like we were really anticipating a different result

@thehill
Judge dismisses coal exec’s defamation suit against John Oliver

I really hope they have enough time to get Mr. Nutterbutter into Sunday’s show

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whitebeach  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:52:32pm

re: #32 teleskiguy

Besides the Bay Area, the Tesla capita is also quite high in Boulder.

When they start making pickup trucks, maybe I’ll see one here.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:53:00pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

I’m sure that’s not really an issue with heated garages and charging stations in the public parking garages, as Aspen and Vail hvae in abundance.

So also in Minnesota, where in Minneapolis the Teslas have dedicated parking spaces where electric cars can plug in and recharge, and are sheltered from the elements.

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allegro  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:54:37pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve never seen one. I own the most unusual car in this area.

I wouldn’t know one if I saw one. :/

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whitebeach  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:54:55pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

I’m sure that’s not really an issue with heated garages and charging stations in the public parking garages, as Aspen and Vail have in abundance.

Kinda shrinks the green quotient, no?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:55:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:55:25pm

re: #39 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So also in Minnesota, where in Minneapolis the Teslas have dedicated parking spaces where electric cars can plug in and recharge, and are sheltered from the elements.

Here in California, garages serve the functions attics and basements serve elsewhere.

“Park my car there? Are you MAD? Where would I put my shit?!?”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:55:35pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

When I’m in Vail or Aspen I see Teslas all the time.

My Dad’s Model S will be ready in a month. Gonna be fun.

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gwangung  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:55:36pm

re: #26 gocart mozart

Damn, that blade went in, nice and silently.

(Though it seems to me, the right wing twits complaining about disrespectful children are forgetting that “facing the prospect of impending death does wonderful things to focus one’s mind.” Their dismissive gibes are EXTREMELY disrespectful of the teens and their experience.).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:56:25pm

re: #40 allegro

I wouldn’t know one if I saw one. :/

Then Elon Musk has failed.
//

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:56:46pm

re: #43 Blind Frog Belly White

Here in California, garages serve the functions attics and basements serve elsewhere.

Yeah, around here there is a bit of a caste system. It is obvious if you park inside or outside; when I walk through the parking garage in the morning, if I see snow and ice clinging to the exterior of your car, it is obvious that you have to park outside, and don’t have the luxury of enough garage space.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:58:49pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

Then Elon Musk has failed.
//

Get a telescope, train it toward the space between Mars and Earth… .

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2018 • 7:59:51pm

re: #43 Blind Frog Belly White

Here in California, garages serve the functions attics and basements serve elsewhere.

It’s the same here in MN. Even when people have full basements, they fill their garages so full of crap that they have to leave their cars on the street. They’d rather chip ice off their windows than de-clutter their garages.

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allegro  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:00:11pm

re: #47 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yeah, around here there is a bit of a caste system. It is obvious if you park inside or outside; when I walk through the parking garage in the morning, if I see snow and ice clinging to the exterior of your car, it is obvious that you have to park outside, and don’t have the luxury of enough garage space.

We had a 2-1/2 car garage and never parked either car in it. It was all full of hubby’s camping, hunting, fishing gear, tools, junk, and electric train stuff. My contribution was a bicycle and old bird stand.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:01:43pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

I’m sure that’s not really an issue with heated garages and charging stations in the public parking garages, as Aspen and Vail have in abundance.

Also there’s a hell of a lot of charge in a model S or X. Even with a model 3 it’d have to be crazy cold to make it impractical as a commuter. I wouldn’t want to cross the Northern States or Canada in a Tesla in the winter if I was in a hurry but for most everyday use it’s gonna be more than enough.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:01:50pm

re: #50 allegro

We had a 2-1/2 car garage and never parked either car in it. It was all full of hubby’s camping, hunting, fishing gear, tools, junk, and electric train stuff. My contribution was a bicycle and old bird stand.

There’s a scene in The Americans, where Stan B-Man the G-Man pulls his big-ass Murrican car into the garage, and can barely get out of the door because of all the kipple.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:02:27pm

re: #50 allegro

We had a 2-1/2 car garage and never parked either car in it. It was all full of hubby’s camping, hunting, fishing gear, tools, junk, and electric train stuff. My contribution was a bicycle and old bird stand.

I have a 2-1/2 car garage. One side has Mrs. Fish’s big brown classic beastie. One car’s side has my daily driver. The other half has a bunch of random garage-type stuff. Mrs. Fish’s daily driver? Parks outside. Sorry not sorry, babe.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:03:08pm

re: #41 whitebeach

Kinda shrinks the green quotient, no?

Giphy

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:04:31pm

re: #43 Blind Frog Belly White

Here in California, garages serve the functions attics and basements serve elsewhere.

Not at all. We’ve always kept our cars in the garage except for several months after we moved in and needed to keep a very large number of boxes in the garage while there was some construction going on. But then we’re weird.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:05:50pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

When I’m in Vail or Aspen I see Teslas all the time.

I’m thinking pretty seriously about a Tesla. They have good support in the Metroplex and seem well suited to that environment. If I leave Texas, which seems more likely all the time, the Tesla may look even better.

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Jay C  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:06:00pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

I’m sure that’s not really an issue with heated garages and charging stations in the public parking garages, as Aspen and Vail have in abundance.

New York, too: I noticed a Tesla charging plug mounted in our building’s garage a few months back, and then saw that there were three of them (two Ss and an X) parking there. Progress, I guess - though yeah, silent cars are definitely something you have to be on the lookout for….

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whitebeach  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:06:37pm

re: #45 gwangung

Damn, that blade went in, nice and silently.

(Though it seems to me, the right wing twits complaining about disrespectful children are forgetting that “facing the prospect of impending death does wonderful things to focus one’s mind.” Their dismissive gibes are EXTREMELY disrespectful of the teens and their experience.).

Many adults, particularly older ones, seem to forget that they were teens, or even young, themselves once, and totally forget what it was like. This phenomenon seems especially pronounced among “conservatives,” who perhaps have more reason than most to blot out their tender years. This has probably been true since we came out of the trees, but I think that even though we can never really reach back across the gulf of time, those of us who can at least remember and sympathize are better off than those who can’t, or won’t.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:06:42pm
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allegro  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:08:04pm

re: #57 Jay C

New York, too: I noticed a Tesla charging plug mounted in our building’s garage a few months back, and then saw that there were three of them (two Ss and an X) parking there. Progress, I guess - though yeah, silent cars are definitely something you have to be on the lookout for….

The idea of silent cars is kinda scary. They should come with trombones.

Trombone Epic

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:08:15pm

Last time I saw a Tesla (don’t know what model it was, it was a full size sedan, I knew it was the real deal with that big ‘T’ in the grill) was last week, actually. I passed it (in my modest Toyota compact) in Glenwood Canyon on my commute from work.

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gwangung  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:08:58pm

re: #58 whitebeach

Many adults, particularly older ones, seem to forget that they were teens, or even young, themselves once, and totally forget what it was like. This phenomenon seems especially pronounced among “conservatives,” who perhaps have more reason than most to blot out their tender years. This has probably been true since we came out of the trees, but I think that even though we can never really reach back across the gulf of time, those of us who can at least remember and sympathize are better off than those who can’t, or won’t.

Well, there’s that….but what they also forget is that all they throwing at the teens are words. Words aren’t going to hurt them now.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:10:13pm

I see Teslas all the time here on the Island. Most of them are the full-size ones. My favorite so far had a vanity plate on it that said ‘BYE OPEC.’

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:10:32pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

When I’m in Vail or Aspen I see Teslas all the time.

There’s a couple of Tesla’s here in Ostrava. Both are Model S. Quite an uncommon car in this neck of the woods.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:10:45pm

Household junk multiplies like a virulently invasive species in garages. Unchecked, it will crowd out the native inhabitants, cars, motorcycles etc. Eradication is hopeless so the only alternative is to provide it with an alternative habitat in the form of a storage shed of some kind.

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MsJ  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:10:46pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

Last time I saw a Tesla (don’t know what model it was, it was a full size sedan, I knew it was the real deal with that big ‘T’ in the grill) was last week, actually. I passed it (in my modest Toyota compact) in Glenwood Canyon on my commute from work.

They really are quite beautiful. I saw one on the road and just had to get close enough to see the badge.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:11:31pm

re: #63 makeitstop

I see Teslas all the time here on the Island. Most of them are the full-size ones. My favorite so far had a vanity plate on it that said ‘BYE OPEC.’

That’s fuckin’ NYC classy right there!

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:11:42pm

re: #59 MsJ

One sign you’re an adult is when you can learn from your kids.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:12:14pm

re: #66 MsJ

They really are quite beautiful. I saw one on the road and just had to get close enough to see the badge.

I will concede that point, they are gorgeous cars.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:12:46pm

re: #68 Belafon

One sign you’re an adult is when you can learn from your kids.

I hope my folks can learn that lesson before it’s too late. I know for a fact I have taught my father a thing or two in the ways of mechanical knowledge. The student truly has become the master.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:13:01pm

re: #63 makeitstop

I see Teslas all the time here on the Island. Most of them are the full-size ones. My favorite so far had a vanity plate on it that said ‘BYE OPEC.’

I’ve seen 4 or 5 out here on the eastern edge of the Metroplex. I suspect there’s a few more the closer you get to Dallas proper. There’s a showroom at North Park Mall.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:13:53pm

re: #71 Belafon

I’ve seen 4 or 5 out here on the eastern edge of the Metroplex. I suspect there’s a few more the closer you get to Dallas proper. There’s a showroom at North Park Mall.

There are quite a few of them here in Fort Worth

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:14:45pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

That’s fuckin’ NYC classy right there!

That’s how we roll. Or how the guy with the Tesla rolls, anyway.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:15:09pm
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CleverToad  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:15:17pm

re: #26 gocart mozart

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Fortunately I had set my drink down before I read this.
Dang, I love these sarky little shade-masters.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:15:24pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Household junk multiplies like a virulently invasive species in garages. Unchecked, it will crowd out the native inhabitants, cars, motorcycles etc. Eradication is hopeless so the only alternative is to provide it with an alternative habitat in the form of a storage shed of some kind.

True enough, except that it will continue to breed in the shed, slipping out to infest spaces like garages. It must be rooted out.
A couple years ago I realized that a large-ish house with many closets can hide a lot of stuff no one actually wants. You know how you keep things “in case the kids want it? I’m here to tell you they probably don’t. They’re in their mid 30s and I check with them before getting rid of anything I might want, but generally they don’t.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:16:33pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

Also there’s a hell of a lot of charge in a model S or X. Even with a model 3 it’d have to be crazy cold to make it impractical as a commuter. I wouldn’t want to cross the Northern States or Canada in a Tesla in the winter if I was in a hurry but for most everyday use it’s gonna be more than enough.

I’ve heard and read people claiming that electric cars would never catch on because it takes so long to charge them, and on a long trip you’d have to stop for too long, too frequently.

The things is, how many families that can afford a $35K sedan have only one car?

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:16:46pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Household junk multiplies like a virulently invasive species in garages. Unchecked, it will crowd out the native inhabitants, cars, motorcycles etc. Eradication is hopeless so the only alternative is to provide it with an alternative habitat in the form of a storage shed of some kind.

My dad was a scavenger. Every morning he’d drive down to the local mall to see what useful stuff they were throwing away. He’d find some GREAT stuff (60-70 sheets of 3/4” plywood from some dismantled storage shelves), and when I bought my house he’d start picking up stuff that he thought I might want. I had to tell him to stop it because I didn’t want to fill my garage full of stuff I wouldn’t use. That happened anyway, but I still have enough room for the car and my scooter. I bought a garage door opener in 2001 and the vehicle has been in the garage every night since.

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The Major  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:17:52pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:18:01pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Household junk multiplies like a virulently invasive species in garages. Unchecked, it will crowd out the native inhabitants, cars, motorcycles etc. Eradication is hopeless so the only alternative is to provide it with an alternative habitat in the form of a storage shed of some kind.

“I say we dust off and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:19:14pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:19:54pm

Speaking of garages & basements

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:20:49pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Household junk multiplies like a virulently invasive species in garages. Unchecked, it will crowd out the native inhabitants, cars, motorcycles etc. Eradication is hopeless so the only alternative is to provide it with an alternative habitat in the form of a storage shed of some kind.

Or nuke it from orbit to be sure.

When we bought our house, we had a carriage house (it would barely fit our car), but the roof was in danger of caving in. We had the carriage house torn down and replaced with a storage shed.

We park on the street and use an ice scraper or snow brush. That said, we don’t travel much so we just plan around snowstorms when we can.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:21:35pm

re: #81 makeitstop

hahahahahahahaha

*reading*

hahahahahahaha

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Jay C  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:21:39pm

re: #60 allegro

The idea of silent cars is kinda scary. They should come with trombones.

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I recall seeing, a couple of years back, a news piece about electric cars; Toyota ((I think) was working on a system for electric vehicles which generated a sound - a sort of engine whirr) when they were moving, so as not to be completely silent. I guess they gave up on the idea, since every electric car I’ve ever encountered has been seen, but not heard…

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:24:54pm

One nice thing about electric cars, when Dad’s Tesla arrives he’ll qualify for super-low tier electric rates every evening after (I think) 8pm, no matter what tier he’d normally be at. Even better is that he ordered the S while there was still a promotion giving free charging at Tesla Supercharger stations for the life of the car. They’re planning to put a Supercharger station here in Simi and in Thousand Oaks by the end of the year, current the nearest one is in SFV. Basically it’s not a cheap car by a long shot but it’ll be pretty cheap to drive.

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allegro  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:25:39pm

re: #76 calochortus

True enough, except that it will continue to breed in the shed, slipping out to infest spaces like garages. It must be rooted out.
A couple years ago I realized that a large-ish house with many closets can hide a lot of stuff no one actually wants. You know how you keep things “in case the kids want it? I’m here to tell you they probably don’t. They’re in their mid 30s and I check with them before getting rid of anything I might want, but generally they don’t.

One of the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life was move from a 2500ish sq ft home into a 34’ motorhome. Not because of lack of space - I actually love that. It was parting with several lifetimes of stuff. It was my late parent’s stuff, my late husband’s stuff, it was stuff from my own lifetime. I didn’t need any of it but saying goodbye to each single piece, every memory it held was emotionally exhausting. I had to hire an estate sale person because I couldn’t deal with putting price tags on memories that were priceless to me. I knew if I tried to do it myself I wouldn’t be able to part with anything.

The happy ending is that it was also liberating beyond description. I was enslaved by all that stuff and I knew it. I have no regrets. Well one - I should have kept my hubby’s little red wagon because dragging a big bag of trash to the dumpster is a PITA.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:25:51pm

It may finally start looking like the 21st century.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:26:24pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve heard and read people claiming that electric cars would never catch on because it takes so long to charge them, and on a long trip you’d have to stop for too long, too frequently.

The things is, how many families that can afford a $35K sedan have only one car?

That would be twice what my house cost.

That, and everything here is a long trip. An electric Smart has a range of sixty miles. That would get me to Scottsbluff or Sidney, where I would be stranded.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:27:00pm

re: #88 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

It may finally start looking like the 21st century.

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Honestly, on that one, I question the logistics. An electric semi would require an extensive network of coast-to-coast electric charging stations. Either that, or if they have miniaturized the diesel-electric transmission to be able to fit it into a semi cab.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:28:58pm
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allegro  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:29:03pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart

Speaking of garages & basements

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Wow, a house in Houston with a basement? I never knew one existed. Good reason we don’t have them here.

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:30:06pm

re: #87 allegro

One of the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life was move from a 2500ish sq ft home into a 34’ motorhome. Not because of lack of space - I actually love that. It was parting with several lifetimes of stuff. It was my late parent’s stuff, my late husband’s stuff, it was stuff from my own lifetime. I didn’t need any of it but saying goodbye to each single piece, every memory it held was emotionally exhausting. I had to hire an estate sale person because I couldn’t deal with putting price tags on memories that were priceless to me. I knew if I tried to do it myself I wouldn’t be able to part with anything.

The happy ending is that it was also liberating beyond description. I was enslaved by all that stuff and I knew it. I have no regrets. Well one - I should have kept my hubby’s little red wagon because dragging a big bag of trash to the dumpster is a PITA.

I’m going to be facing those kind of choices in 3-5 years. I’m starting to realize that I’m willing to live without furniture as long as I can keep my books and records.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:32:37pm

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹

That would be twice what my house cost.

That, and everything here is a long trip. An electric Smart has a range of sixty miles. That would get me to Scottsbluff or Sidney, where I would be stranded.

Average new car price is $33,600.

The range of the Model 3’s range is 310 miles. I could drive one all week on one charge. It’s also quicker 0-60 than my Hemi Challenger.

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:33:18pm

re: #93 stpaulbear

I’m going to be facing those kind of choices in 3-5 years. I’m starting to realize that I’m willing to live without furniture as long as I can keep my books and records.

I figure I have 5 years in this house disposing of generations of stuff and furniture and a huge amount of stuff that needs to be organized and digitized and prepared for museum storage, and then I’ll be in an apartment or tiny house or some such… and I will be so ready.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:34:03pm

re: #87 allegro

We still have plenty of “stuff” but I’m trying to make sure that I keep things I use or love. My grandmother left a number of pieces of china she painted back in 1908 or thereabouts. I’m keeping a plate that reminds me of her as well as a couple other pieces, but most of it can go. Likewise, her writing desk has no meaning for me and serves no purpose. My mother’s bedroom set from when she was young does have meaning for me, so I’m keeping that. And so forth.
Fortunately I have the luxury of doing this over a period of years.
Unfortunately, Mr. C. hates getting rid of anything he might someday want for some reason. We’re slowly working on getting his stuff a bit more organized.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:34:21pm

re: #90 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, on that one, I question the logistics. An electric semi would require an extensive network of coast-to-coast electric charging stations. Either that, or if they have miniaturized the diesel-electric transmission to be able to fit it into a semi cab.

It has a 500 mile range. That’s Houston to Dallas shipping without stopping. IIRC, it charges back to 400 miles in standard truck stop time. That’s well in range for most of the country.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:34:53pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart

One of the houses in the Houston neighborhood I grew up in has a bomb shelter under it. Cuban missile crisis vintage.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:35:44pm

re: #90 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, on that one, I question the logistics. An electric semi would require an extensive network of coast-to-coast electric charging stations. Either that, or if they have miniaturized the diesel-electric transmission to be able to fit it into a semi cab.

The electric semis will probably start off just doing short hops from the ports of entry to the inland warehouse and distribution centers. Stuff that’s done mostly 9 to 5 and allows the trucks to charge overnight. But there are regulations that require drivers to rest every so many hours and that mandated interval jibes nicely with the range and charge time, so it can be done. There’s also the auto convoy technology, so one lead driver will effectively be able to pilot a bunch of Tesla semis in that mode. Add on the much faster acceleration up hills and in traffic, the regenerative braking going downhill compared to internal combustion engine compression braking that burns fuel and there’s quite a bit of intrinsic efficiency in all electric design.

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ObserverArt  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:36:08pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

My Dad’s Model S will be ready in a month. Gonna be fun.

My old boss has a pure white one. It’s a good looking car. He loved it. It had an issue one time, and Tesla sent in a tech with the parts to fix it at a dealer in Florida. He leaves it for when he is at his main home in Fort Myers, he never brought it to Ohio.

We got to see his AMG Merc SL63 he slummed around in when he was up here. Felt so damn sorry for him.

The guy had a hell of a car collection at one time…still does, but he sold off a lot. He was deep into Porsches, from road to race.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:36:09pm

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

Average new car price is $33,600.

The range of the Model 3’s range is 310 miles. I could drive one all week on one charge. It’s also quicker 0-60 than my Hemi Challenger.

My house was $18,000.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:36:09pm

re: #90 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, on that one, I question the logistics. An electric semi would require an extensive network of coast-to-coast electric charging stations. Either that, or if they have miniaturized the diesel-electric transmission to be able to fit it into a semi cab.

Buses would be a better bet-or even local delivery trucks. Set routes of a known length and returning to a base where they can recharge overnight.

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:36:34pm

re: #92 allegro

Wow, a house in Houston with a basement? I never knew one existed. Good reason we don’t have them here.

I can’t understand why he used wood instead of concrete for the basement walls. Concrete would be more expensive, but if he floods again, even treated wood walls are going to get damaged.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:37:04pm

re: #97 Belafon

It has a 500 mile range. That’s Houston to Dallas shipping without stopping. IIRC, it charges back to 400 miles in standard truck stop time. That’s well in range for most of the country.

True, but it’s still a logistics question. It’s a matter of where these stops exist, and creating a network that can reach from point to point. From there, the network will build itself if the efficiency that is promised is delivered.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:37:09pm

How in the fuck are we going to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity that we need?!?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:38:05pm

re: #105 teleskiguy

How in the fuck are we going to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity that we need?!?

And where will we get a flux capacitor?

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whitebeach  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:38:24pm

re: #104 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

True, but it’s still a logistics question. It’s a matter of where these stops exist, and creating a network that can reach from point to point. From there, the network will build itself if the efficiency that is promised is delivered.

If you come, they will build it.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:38:34pm

re: #105 teleskiguy

How in the fuck are we going to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity that we need?!?

Clean coal.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:38:55pm

re: #105 teleskiguy

How in the fuck are we going to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity that we need?!?

Coal. Clean coal.
/

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allegro  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:39:13pm

re: #93 stpaulbear

I’m going to be facing those kind of choices in 3-5 years. I’m starting to realize that I’m willing to live without furniture as long as I can keep my books and records.

Ohh, that’s hard. I had several rooms of floor to ceiling bookshelves, packed. Enough vinyl to start a radio station. Parted with all of it. The books had been read, the records replaced with CDs (without the cherished scratches on my favorite songs). Couldn’t justify buying another house to keep it all.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:39:44pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Clean coal.

Beat my by that much.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:40:04pm

re: #110 calochortus

Coal. Clean coal.
/

Conciseness, Grasshopper.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:40:47pm

re: #95 retired cynic

I figure I have 5 years in this house disposing of generations of stuff and furniture and a huge amount of stuff that needs to be organized and digitized and prepared for museum storage, and then I’ll be in an apartment or tiny house or some such… and I will be so ready.

My Mom and Dad arranged with my oldest sister 20 years ago for her to buy their house while they still lived in it, guaranteeing they could stay there as long as they were able to live outside an assisted living facility. Then my sister, who’s closing in on 70, will retire there.

Then her daughter gets it, and after that her grand-niece (daughter having had no children)

With all the work that sister and her daughter did for Mom, and continue to do for Dad, none of the other 5 of us complained at all.

This will save a HUGE amount of work trying to empty the place for sale. The place is big (3000 sq ft) and has two big outbuildings. So, for 56 years, things that break and get replaced tend not to leave, because “We can fix it up and use it or sell it,” That includes the 1972 Citroen DS21 that hasn’t run since Bush was President.

The FIRST one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:40:49pm

huffingtonpost.com (list of major companies either sticking by the NRA or have not given a public position).

Companies for television include Amazon, Apple, and Roku.

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Jay C  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:40:58pm

re: #90 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Honestly, on that one, I question the logistics. An electric semi would require an extensive network of coast-to-coast electric charging stations. Either that, or if they have miniaturized the diesel-electric transmission to be able to fit it into a semi cab.

At the Tesla truck rollout, ISTR that the company’s initial idea was going to be to pitch the trucks to transporters who had regular, fixed routes - presumably within the 250-mile (?) charge radius the truck was supposed to have. Yes, for long-haul trucking, electric might not be ideal yet; but for a lot of urban/suburban deliveries it can certainly be competitive.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:41:06pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Conciseness, Grasshopper.

Hey, I’m drinking here. What do you expect?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:41:13pm

re: #103 stpaulbear

I can’t understand why he used wood instead of concrete for the basement walls. Concrete would be more expensive, but if he floods again, even treated wood walls are going to get damaged.

I was thinking that too. Only thing I could think of is that it might be the weight. The house is on a slab (with some piers that he mentioned).

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:41:34pm

re: #100 ObserverArt

My old boss has a pure white one. It’s a good looking car. He loved it. It had an issue one time, and Tesla sent in a tech with the parts to fix it at a dealer in Florida. He leaves it for when he is at his main home in Fort Myers, he never brought it to Ohio.

We got to see his AMG Merc SL63 he slummed around in when he was up here. Felt so damn sorry for him.

The guy had a hell of a car collection at one time…still does, but he sold off a lot. He was deep into Porsches, from road to race.

Dad’s getting the same multi coat white S, all glass roof, pretty much the works. The only upgrades he didn’t get were the 21” wheels (because 21” wheels are stupid) and the extra rear facing kids seats (same reason).

Last year was pretty rough on him medically, I won’t get into it but he’s lucky he can still walk with a cane. He’s been talking about how much he’d like to get a Tesla for years so I’ve been encouraging him to splurge on himself. Plus he’s quadrupled his IRA in the last three years by basically going balls deep into NVDA so he can definitely afford it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:42:39pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

My house was $18,000.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but…

And?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:44:03pm

re: #117 calochortus

Hey, I’m drinking here. What do you expect?

Just finished 1.5 litre bottle of Yellowtail wine. (Poured one glass, dropped the bottle on the patio floor.)

Shitty White Wine—with a kangaroo on the label, you know you can’t go wrong.

Police Dog Hogan - Shitty White Wine

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:44:25pm

re: #120 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’t take this the wrong way, but…

And?

I can’t afford a $32,000 car (or such a price for a house).

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Interesting Times  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:44:35pm

re: #28 TedStriker

Damn, Sarah’s just slicing and dicing here.

Speaking of Sarah, she retweeted this:

Notice what appears at the bottom of the first screenshot? :D

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:45:16pm

re: #116 Jay C

At the Tesla truck rollout, ISTR that the company’s initial idea was going to be to pitch the trucks to transporters who had regular, fixed routes - presumably within the 250-mile (?) charge radius the truck was supposed to have. Yes, for long-haul trucking, electric might not be ideal yet; but for a lot of urban/suburban deliveries it can certainly be competitive.

An interesting proposition. My limited experience with the trucking industry is that this is a limited market segment at best. Most of the big boys play with the long haul trips. And I understand also that Tesla is intending on establishing such a network in the near future to support their car investment, and apparently their truck network as well. They’ve got to start somewhere, and if anyone can pull it off, I feel that they are uniquely positioned in the market to do so. I wish them luck - but I watch their progress with interest.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:45:48pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Just finished 1.5 litre bottle of Yellowtail wine. (Poured one glass, dropped the bottle on the patio floor.)

Shitty White Wine—with a kangaroo on the label, you know you can’t go wrong.

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A nice glass of Castoro Cellars Tempranillo. One for me, one for Mr. C. and since no one dropped the bottle, the same again tomorrow evening.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:46:05pm

re: #91 JordanRules

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Jesus. That’s deranged.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:47:00pm

re: #125 calochortus

A nice glass of Castoro Cellars Tempranillo. One for me, one for Mr. C. and since no one dropped the bottle, the same again tomorrow evening.

Do they have that at Dollar General?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:47:53pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

I can’t afford a $32,000 car (or such a price for a house).

I wasn’t asking you to buy one.

And part of my original point was that I’ve heard people say for years that, for example, the Toyota Prius is a stupid car because it doesn’t fit THEIR lifestyle, ignoring the fact that lots of other people live very different lives.

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allegro  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:48:27pm

re: #125 calochortus

A nice glass of Castoro Cellars Tempranillo. One for me, one for Mr. C. and since no one dropped the bottle, the same again tomorrow evening.

I had two glasses of St. Genevieve Merlot left. Didn’t share. :)

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:48:40pm

re: #116 Jay C

At the Tesla truck rollout, ISTR that the company’s initial idea was going to be to pitch the trucks to transporters who had regular, fixed routes - presumably within the 250-mile (?) charge radius the truck was supposed to have. Yes, for long-haul trucking, electric might not be ideal yet; but for a lot of urban/suburban deliveries it can certainly be competitive.

You can tell the Tesla truck isn’t build around long haul because it’s got a single centrally located driver’s seat and there’s no provision for a sleeper compartment.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:49:40pm

re: #126 makeitstop

It’s so gross. I want her and the organization to go down so hard. They are disturbed and shouldn’t have any power.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:50:24pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Do they have that at Dollar General?

Shouldn’t think so. ;) Trader Joe’s has carried Castoro in the past. Don’t know if they do now, but you may not have a TJ’s near by anyway.
We’re members of the wine club and have been known to stop in at the winery when we drive through the Paso Robles area.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:50:48pm

And we all know who Rohrabacher’s little ginger friend is….

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:50:55pm

re: #104 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

True, but it’s still a logistics question. It’s a matter of where these stops exist, and creating a network that can reach from point to point. From there, the network will build itself if the efficiency that is promised is delivered.

One of the things Musk has invested in is solar. The idea being that he would cover warehouse roofs and charge the trucks there.

Now, I’m not in logistics, so I don’t know how far apart various places are. But Amazon, building their own shipping, could put them in places that would make it easy to charge between stops.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:52:57pm

re: #116 Jay C

At the Tesla truck rollout, ISTR that the company’s initial idea was going to be to pitch the trucks to transporters who had regular, fixed routes - presumably within the 250-mile (?) charge radius the truck was supposed to have. Yes, for long-haul trucking, electric might not be ideal yet; but for a lot of urban/suburban deliveries it can certainly be competitive.

One of the objections to motor trucks in the first place was that they would require a vast new infrastructure of fueling and maintenance facilities. This infrastructure in fact started out with local and regional operations which
then expanded until the various centers coalesced into a national whole. It happened with amazing speed too. In 1919 young Dwight Eisenhower’s attempt to take the first motor convoy across the country was a multi-month ordeal. Within 20 years long haul trucking was a major industry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:53:12pm

re: #134 Belafon

One of the things Musk has invested in is solar. The idea being that he would cover warehouse roofs and charge the trucks there.

Now, I’m not in logistics, so I don’t know how far apart various places are. But Amazon, building their own shipping, could put them in places that would make it easy to charge between stops.

I’m well-acquainted with the trucking industry. The distances between places are a lot bigger than you might think. That being said, electric charging stations in strategic locations would make this a feasible possibility. But that’s a big if; I mean, the railways have done it, but that’s by enforcing fixed routes over their railroads. The highways are much more flexible.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:54:34pm

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One of the objections to motor trucks in the first place was that they would require a vast new infrastructure of fueling and maintenance facilities. This infrastructure in fact started out with local and regional operations which
then expanded until the various centers coalesced into a national whole. It happened with amazing speed too. In 1919 young Dwight Eisenhower’s attempt to take the first motor convoy across the country was a multi-month ordeal. Within 20 years long haul trucking was a major industry.

I was going to point out that the infrastructure issues people bring up about BEVs are similar to the issues faced a century ago by automobiles.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:55:19pm

re: #136 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m well-acquainted with the trucking industry. The distances between places are a lot bigger than you might think. That being said, electric charging stations in strategic locations would make this a feasible possibility. But that’s a big if; I mean, the railways have done it, but that’s by enforcing fixed routes over their railroads. The highways are much more flexible.

And, with the way Musk spends money, I could see him buying a pad at a number of truck stops to install charging equipment to get things going.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:56:13pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

I was going to point out that the infrastructure issues people bring up about BEVs are similar to the issues faced a century ago by automobiles.

It’s just a matter of expenditure and return on investment. Electric trucks could certainly succeed, if someone was willing to invest in the infrastructure needed to maintain the electric charging network over the area required to provide truck service to the required endpoints.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:57:31pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

I was going to point out that the infrastructure issues people bring up about BEVs are similar to the issues faced a century ago by automobiles.

In the really early days luddites liked to point out that few livery stables sold gasoline and people were not sure how to induce them to do so.

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CleverToad  Feb 23, 2018 • 8:58:24pm

re: #87 allegro

re: #96 calochortus

We still have plenty of “stuff” but I’m trying to make sure that I keep things I use or love….Fortunately I have the luxury of doing this over a period of years.

Sounds painfully familiar! I’ve reduced my mom’s 60+ years of paper from 70 boxes to about 30, and have to whittle those down as I can. Won’t be able to reduce the rest of her stuff significantly till we lose her — I’m resigned to it, my hubby is cranky. Two very full rooms in our house (photos, books, 78 records, old letters, dust catchers, quilt fabric and sewing supplies) plus a wall of the 2-car garage (more bins of quilt fabric), plus spillover into the living room (about fifty jigsaw puzzles, mostly Thomas Kinkade).

Oh yeah, and a very large bin full of postage stamps. Keep thinking that those are probably worth something, but it’s going to take major time and research to find out.

What we need to concentrate on for now is dealing with our own accumulation. LOTS of books. Lots of paper. About a quarter as many photos as my mom has. Boxes and oodles of the kid’s stuff from school and church and camp (trying to make HIM go through that). And almost every item you pick up has an emotional baggage tag attached to it. I have to keep reminding myself I’ll feel so much better when it’s done, because the process itself is draining. There’s definitely a hoarding gene, and I have it.

Oh well! One box at a time….

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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:00:36pm

re: #141 CleverToad

I hear you. Boy, do I hear you!!

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:01:14pm

re: #119 goddamnedfrank

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:01:23pm

Correlation is not precisely causation, but sometimes is related to it (and a reason I won’t buy stocks):

Snapchat Value Drops $1.3 Billion after Kylie Jenner Tweet

Basically, she asked on Twitter if Snapchat was “relevant” any more, followed by Maybelline asking its users upon seeing the tweet if the company should abandon Snapchat.

Snapchat has other issues, such as a redesign that upset many of its users, sparking a petition to bring the old platform back.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:01:39pm

re: #141 CleverToad

about fifty jigsaw puzzles, mostly Thomas Kinkade

You could produce one of the largest Kincade-themed color field abstract collages ever.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:03:15pm

I’m pretty sure that an astute operator like Elon Musk could negotiate a 3-way deal with a regional operator buying a fleet of trucks and a service provider agreeing to install the necessary charging stations.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:04:29pm

So Charles, have you or anyone else attempted a string bender? I attempted for about a year and got discouraged.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:05:35pm

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m pretty sure that an astute operator like Elon Musk could negotiate a 3-way deal with a regional operator buying a fleet of trucks and a service provider agreeing to install the necessary charging stations.

Or, hell, why not aim high? Get a contract with, say, Schneider and get a nationwide network from the get-go. I’m sure Musk could probably get something like that done.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:06:11pm
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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:07:30pm

re: #149 Belafon

LOL!

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:07:35pm
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whitebeach  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:07:56pm

re: #125 calochortus

A nice glass of Castoro Cellars Tempranillo. One for me, one for Mr. C. and since no one dropped the bottle, the same again tomorrow evening.

And you call this drinking?

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:08:27pm

re: #141 CleverToad

Thank heavens Mom was not a hoarder-but we combined households (hard to say whether we lived with her or she lived with us-she had an apartment attached to the house) and when she passed away, the stuff remained. At the time it was reasonable to keep much of her furniture and kitchen stuff because the kids were in college and might eventually want some of it. And it was all nicely stored, but then a few years ago I realized how much we still had and didn’t need. At the very least someone else could be using it, and slowly, slowly I’m shedding bits.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:10:30pm

re: #152 whitebeach

And you call this drinking?

Yes. I’m a cheap drunk. Well, maybe not a cheap drunk, ‘cause it’s a good wine, but I don’t tolerate a lot of alcohol well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:11:17pm

re: #128 Blind Frog Belly White

I wasn’t asking you to buy one.

And part of my original point was that I’ve heard people say for years that, for example, the Toyota Prius is a stupid car because it doesn’t fit THEIR lifestyle, ignoring the fact that lots of other people live very different lives.

I didn’t mean that to say I was saying electric cars were stupid or people fools for buying them. I apologise if what I wrote came out that way.

I just meant to point out that at the current range an electric car has and the cost to buy one, I can’t afford it. If the price came down and the range went up, I would much prefer one. (Probably do something like put in a solar charging station at my home for it, so it’s not merely shifting pollution from burning gasoline to burning natural gas/coal at a power plant as well.)

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gwangung  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:11:20pm

re: #151 jaunte

Basically, these losers hate America.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:11:29pm

re: #151 jaunte

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Our across-the-street neighbor became a citizen a few months ago. I think it’s lovely.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:12:42pm

re: #156 gwangung

They’ve been propagandized to hate the idea of immigration, which is very strange for grandchildren and great-grandchildren of immigrants.

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Belafon  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:12:47pm

Claudia Tenney, the representative that wondered why the media wasn’t reporting that most mass murders were done by Democrats, got taken to task by the Republican that preceded her, Richard Hanna:

It’s about her representation of our community and the pathetic way she goes about doing her job. She traffics in soft bigotry, and hate speech is prevalent in everything she says, and fear. There’s a reason why she never got anything done in Albany, and it’s the same reason why she’ll never get anything done in Washington, DC. She makes enemies out of virtually everyone with that ridiculous comment she made that’s all over the country, she effectively alienated everyone in the Republican Party and certainly everyone in the Democratic Party, and became a pariah among the Republicans. They don’t need to hear that in these times. She makes herself someone who is untethered.

People in Washington look at this and they can’t believe anyone is so careless and callous, and so full of anger and hate. At a time when 17 people were murdered and others are wounded and in the hospital? It’s callous, it’s selfish, and it’s another example of how Claudia Tenney can’t wait to get her face on TV and it’s all about her.

I remind anybody with this job that the title is “Representative”. You represent 720,000 people. Not just the primary voters who get you elected, and not just the tea party people who rally around you to make you feel good about yourself. You represent the interests and futures of 720,000 people. And there’s nothing about her voting record that represents us!

He’s also donated to her Democratic challenger, Anthony Brindisi.

h/t Daily Kos

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:13:31pm

Boooooo! Great granddad should’ve stayed in Bavaria and starved!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:13:44pm

I have no idea what a Tesla charge station would cost but I would be surprised if it’s very much compared to the overall cost of a major truck fueling/service station. The latter requires a lot of high dollar infrastructure, including underground tanks, a pipe network, pumps, heavy-duty pavement and canopies, etc. Adding a charge station in return for a contract with a sizable carrier could be an attractive proposition.

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jaunte  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:14:06pm

Oh, but maybe it’s just about brown skin.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:16:25pm

re: #149 Belafon

Up-and-coming Æon Flux.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:16:38pm

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I have no idea what a Tesla charge station would cost but I would be surprised if it’s very much compared to the overall cost of a major truck fueling/service station. The latter requires a lot of high dollar infrastructure, including underground tanks, a pipe network, pumps, heavy-duty pavement and canopies, etc. Adding a charge station in return for a contract with a sizable carrier could be an attractive proposition.

You see a bunch of Teslas where I live…my son’s best friend’s father has one. It’s gorgeous.

Our local Target has a charging station.

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whitebeach  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:17:36pm

The thing about long-haul electric trucks is that technology will make a lot of this stuff about recharging stations obsolete. For example, semis haul trailers that have relatively large tops and sides, a whole lot of area relative to the rest of the vehicle. I think that next-generation, or certainly next-next-generation solar panels mounted on these and connected to the truck’s next- or next-next-generation batteries will put the whole recharging station question in a very different light.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:19:02pm

re: #147 Dave In Austin

So Charles, have you or anyone else attempted a string bender? I attempted for about a year and got discouraged.

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I’ve had one for over 20 years. I’ve barely started to scratch the surface.

I drove 30 miles through a blizzard in 1995 to buy it. I got it home, set it up, and just did not get it. I gave up, put it back in the case and didn’t do a thing with it for 2 years.

One day I got a call from a friend with a recording studio. He asked if I still had the steel, and if I wanted to try throwing down tracks on some country stuff he was writing. I went to the studio, set it up, and for some reason everything clicked. I did pedal steel on the whole album, and we started a band which was active until early 2002.

Mine’s what’s known as a ‘starter’ guitar - one neck, 3 pedals, 2 knee levers. It’s a lot of work to play one. When people ask, I compare it to flying a helicopter because you have to use both hands and bot feet to get it to work. I don’t gig with it too much nowadays, but I have fun playing it.

Here’s the title track of the album we released in ‘97. I play keyboards on it, too.

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calochortus  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:21:02pm

I’m out for the night.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:24:36pm
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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:27:06pm

re: #147 Dave In Austin

So Charles, have you or anyone else attempted a string bender? I attempted for about a year and got discouraged.

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I sat behind a pedal steel player for about a year (I was the drummer in his band), and I found it amazing to watch all the stuff he was doing with his fingers, knees and feet.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:27:33pm
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retired cynic  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:29:57pm

re: #169 stpaulbear

I sat behind a pedal steel player for about a year (I was the drummer in his band), and I found it amazing to watch all the stuff he was doing with his fingers, knees and feet.

My mother played pipe organ in a decent sized church. Wall full of pipes. It always fascinated me, watching her feet run up and down the pedals, flipping stops and switching ranks with her hands, and then opening up the whole thing with the volume pedal and make the whole building roar. She was such a small, quiet person!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:31:29pm

Mo. Gov. Greitens is out on his own recognizance.

wonkette.com

He is arguing that the privacy statute as written in Missouri means that even though he took the photos of the naked tied up woman in question, he did not violate the law.

(The statute says that photographs can be taken of others where there is not expectation of privacy, and being tied up naked in the governor’s basement is his argument she had no expectation of privacy, and therefore he did not need consent.)

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stpaulbear  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:32:13pm

re: #164 BlueGrl21

You see a bunch of Teslas where I live…my son’s best friend’s father has one. It’s gorgeous.

Our local Target has a charging station.

It’s a win for Target. It gets Telsa drivers to stay in the store longer.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:32:14pm

re: #166 makeitstop

Nice…
Ever heard David Hartley? As far as I’m concerned he’s the best out there since Buddy Emmons passed. This guy has extraordinary tone.

I Love You Because

57 Chevrolet

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:35:55pm
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Kragar  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:37:10pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:37:39pm

re: #168 Kragar

A McDonald’s manager started shooting at drive-thru customers, police sayhttp://ti.me
6:20 PM - Feb 23, 2018

McDonald’s Manager Shot at Drive-Thru Customers, Police Say
Authorities say a McDonald’s late-night manager who fired shots at a car in a Cleveland drive-thru line is facing assault charges
time.com

An obvious good guy with a gun until he wasn’t…

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allegro  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:46:06pm

re: #177 Hecuba’s daughter

An obvious good guy with a gun until he wasn’t…

Sure are a lot of crazy sicko people with guns. Where’s the FBI?

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Targetpractice  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:47:31pm

re: #91 JordanRules

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It’s letters like these that serve as proof that all the talk from the WH and Donny about “looking into” or “calling on Congress” to do anything gun control related is a farce. Even if you believe for a second that Two Scoops is being honest, there’s no fuckin’ way in an election year that the GOP is going to risk drawing the NRA’s ire. Any bill that is not totally, 100% “MOAR GUNZ!!!” is gonna die in committee.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:47:51pm

re: #176 Kragar

For starters. Stoner went to work for Armalite in ‘53.

Stoner 63

Stoner 63 LMG

AR-10, about 1960

AR-10 Mostly Exported
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thecommodore  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:49:12pm

In all my life, I have never seen a more transparent shill than Hugh Hewitt.

There’s reason to smile as we approach Day 400 of the Trump presidency

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:50:59pm

That fucker Wayne Lapierre makes $5 Million a year.

Disgusting.

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:51:31pm

That tweet led me to CNN’s rundown of Mueller’s team. This is gonna make for one hell of a movie someday.

cnn.com

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TedStriker  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:51:48pm

re: #123 Interesting Times

Speaking of Sarah, she retweeted this:

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Notice what appears at the bottom of the first screenshot? :D

Teehee…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:52:07pm

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹

Mo. Gov. Greitens is out on his own recognizance.

wonkette.com

He is arguing that the privacy statute as written in Missouri means that even though he took the photos of the naked tied up woman in question, he did not violate the law.

(The statute says that photographs can be taken of others where there is not expectation of privacy, and being tied up naked in the governor’s basement is his argument she had no expectation of privacy, and therefore he did not need consent.)

Looks like we’ve found the Zodiac Killer. He was in Missouri all along.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:53:23pm

There’s also this little tidbit about Lapierre too:

Despite a draft number (097)[7] that placed him in the “most likely to be drafted” category for 1970, he avoided military service during the Vietnam War.[8]

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:53:26pm

re: #174 Dave In Austin

Nice…
Ever heard David Hartley? As far as I’m concerned he’s the best out there since Buddy Emmons passed. This guy has extraordinary tone.

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Thanks! I’ll check these out in the morning. Wife is sleeping next to me and I don’t want to wake her.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:53:56pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

It’s letters like these that serve as proof that all the talk from the WH and Donny about “looking into” or “calling on Congress” to do anything gun control related is a farce. Even if you believe for a second that Two Scoops is being honest, there’s no fuckin’ way in an election year that the GOP is going to risk drawing the NRA’s ire. Any bill that is not totally, 100% “MOAR GUNZ!!!” is gonna die in committee.

Donny does not now nor has he ever had any interest or intention of doing anything about mass slaughters. He doesn’t care. He has no empathy for others and no concern about the well-being of anyone but himself and (maybe) Ivanka.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:54:09pm

re: #143 teleskiguy

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:56:56pm
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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:57:29pm
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whitebeach  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:58:31pm

re: #180 Dave In Austin

For starters. Stoner went to work for Armalite in ‘53.

Stoner 63

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The pic of the AR-10 (c. 1960) reminds me: We all need to write our congressfolk and tell them that teachers’ handguns need bayonet mounts.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 9:59:10pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:01:53pm

re: #183 makeitstop

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:02:13pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:05:32pm

re: #191 makeitstop

I use the Name of Gorka as a noun…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:06:59pm

re: #176 Kragar

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Exactly right. All ammosexuals believe that “AR-15” is a civilian version and “M-16” is a different military rifle. This is a myth, based on historical ignorance. AR-15 was the original Armalite company designation for all of these rifles, including the standard select-fire military model and the special semi-auto only version for civilians. M-16 is a US military designation, applied only when the rifle was standardized on 1965. AR-15s had been used by the military before that, as non-standard weapons for special forces and for Air Force personnel deployed in Vietnam. My father had an AR-15 when he deployed in Vietnam early in 1965. Robin Moore’s famous novel The Green Berets, published in 1964, mentions the AR-15 several times. It does not mention the M-16 of course because the designation did not exist then.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:08:32pm

re: #192 whitebeach

The pic of the AR-10 (c. 1960) reminds me: We all need to write our congressfolk and tell them that teachers’ handguns need bayonet mounts.

Ya Know… I may be wrong and someone else can chime in but I think bayonet lugs were part of the Clinton ban that stayed banned.

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:11:28pm

re: #153 calochortus

Thank heavens Mom was not a hoarder-but we combined households (hard to say whether we lived with her or she lived with us-she had an apartment attached to the house) and when she passed away, the stuff remained. At the time it was reasonable to keep much of her furniture and kitchen stuff because the kids were in college and might eventually want some of it. And it was all nicely stored, but then a few years ago I realized how much we still had and didn’t need. At the very least someone else could be using it, and slowly, slowly I’m shedding bits.

Isn’t this what E-Bay is for?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:11:39pm

re: #198 Dave In Austin

Ya Know… I may be wrong and someone else can chime in but I think bayonet lugs were part of the Clinton ban that stayed banned.

They were one of the ‘menu’ items that, in combination, would put a design under the ban. Since they were the least market-friendly, lugs were usually one of the items sacrificed to get out of the AWB definitions.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:13:16pm

re: #197 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I think they had jamming problems with the early AR-15’s. Most GB’s gave them up for AK’47 for their durability. The M-16 and A2 modals fixed a lot of the jamming issues. Didn’t Colt take over production at some point?

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makeitstop  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:13:52pm

Good thread on Manafort.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:14:59pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:17:39pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:19:41pm

re: #188 Hecuba’s daughter

Donny does not now nor has he ever had any interest or intention of doing anything about mass slaughters. He doesn’t care. He has no empathy for others and no concern about the well-being of anyone but himself and (maybe) Ivanka.

No conservative ever did, nor does the NRA.

The message in the past has been conservative politicians go on the attack claiming liberals are “politicising the tragedy” while the NRA stays quiet.

Now, the teenagers are pointing out damn right they are going to politicise a gun over their lives, and the NRA itself is coming out to attack them.

They are on the defensive and they know it.

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majii  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:19:46pm

re: #79 The Major

“CPAC communication director Ian Walters at Reagan dinner”

“”We elected Mike Steele as chairman because he was a black guy, that was the wrong thing to do”“

I’ve read that Walters apologized to Steele for the comment, and that Steele doesn’t accept his apology. Good for Steele. Although I’m no fan of Steele’s I support his rejection of Walters’ apology because Walters would have never said what he said if he didn’t believe it. I thank Walters for sharing his bigoted thoughts with the entire world. He deserves any, and all, shaming that might come his way.

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teleskiguy  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:22:17pm
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whitebeach  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:24:00pm

re: #198 Dave In Austin

Ya Know… I may be wrong and someone else can chime in but I think bayonet lugs were part of the Clinton ban that stayed banned.

It’s an interesting legal question, but we’re talking kids’ lives here. I want the English teacher and the guidance counselor to have a blade to use if their Glock jams or they run out of ammo, know what I mean? If we can’t get bayonets, we should at least pass legislation requiring teachers to sharpen their teeth.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:27:21pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:27:21pm

re: #208 whitebeach

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:27:31pm

re: #183 makeitstop

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That tweet led me to CNN’s rundown of Mueller’s team. This is gonna make for one hell of a movie someday.

cnn.com

Is it too soon to suggest casting? Tom Hanks is Robert Mueller, obviously.

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majii  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:29:05pm

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹

“He is arguing that the privacy statute as written in Missouri means that even though he took the photos of the naked tied up woman in question, he did not violate the law.”

(“The statute says that photographs can be taken of others where there is not expectation of privacy, and being tied up naked in the governor’s basement is his argument she had no expectation of privacy, and therefore he did not need consent.”)

He’s also playing the “She is a liberal card” while forgetting that it was a grand jury and not the prosecutor that indicted his butt. I expect him to keep making the same claim because there are many in Missouri who will believe it even though it isn’t true because prosecutors don’t hand down indictments.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:29:40pm

File under not true but sounds true.

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Kragar  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:30:21pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:33:53pm

re: #201 Dave In Austin

I think they had jamming problems with the early AR-15’s. Most GB’s gave them up for AK’47 for their durability. The M-16 and A2 modals fixed a lot of the jamming issues. Didn’t Colt take over production at some point?

Colt was responsible for series production from the beginning. Armalite was basically a development company with little production capacity. The jamming issues surfaced only after standardization as the M-16. This was largely the result of poor instruction and doctrine. At first the Army actually emphasised that the rifle needed less maintenance than the preceding M-14, leading to an assumption that cleaning could be neglected. In fact, the initial rifles were issued without cleaning kits. This had been based on Colt’s claim that the weapon was “self-cleaning” A change in the powder used also increased fouling. Subsequent versions had some improvements but the real solution to the jamming problem was better training in the maintenance of the rifle.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:36:05pm

re: #206 majii

I’m amazed at how ugly that was, especially since it involves a revisionist history of Steele’s tenure. The facts of the individual man were just eliminated to score a cheap, racist point at a dinner lecture.

I don’t agree with Steele on basically anything in policy, but that was just disgusting and tawdry and small. How pathetic a man, how pathetic a party, for that to be considered a clever or adroit statement. How callous a man, how thoughtless a party, to need that kind of pettiness to fuel them.

Nobody matters, variation number three: given a choice between the governing fiction and an individual—that pile of history and the simple A is A facts that defines them—the latter will be cut to serve the former.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:40:48pm

re: #215 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m trying to remember is the dust cover and charging handle were always there of not on the old mods.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:40:57pm

re: #208 whitebeach

It’s an interesting legal question, but we’re talking kids’ lives here. I want the English teacher and the guidance counselor to have a blade to use if their Glock jams or they run out of ammo, know what I mean? If we can’t get bayonets, we should at least pass legislation requiring teachers to sharpen their teeth.

I have known teachers who seemed to have already done so.
Heavy broadswords might be an optimum solution, at least in elementary grades. That way a mis-behaving child could not use the teacher’s weapon effectively even if the little delinquent could get hold of it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:41:29pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:42:53pm

This guy a douche. but I got to say, if I got to fire that thing I might just get a little aroused myself.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:46:01pm
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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:48:04pm

re: #216 The Ghost of a Flea

They had already employed that revisionist history and ousted him when the Obama era was about over and he was no longer needed. It wasn’t even a secret that he was there for ‘minority outreach’ but he also did a great job.

The facts had already been eliminated and the no-dog-whistle-needed rhetoric of this era was used against him because he damn sure isn’t exempt.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:52:08pm

re: #222 JordanRules

They had already employed that revisionist history and ousted him when the Obama era was about over and he was no longer needed. It wasn’t even a secret that he was there for ‘minority outreach’ but he also did a great job.

The facts had already been eliminated and the no-dog-whistle-needed rhetoric of this era was used against him because he damn sure isn’t exempt.

That’s why I don’t understand why any person who is a member of a minority group (Michael Steele, Nikki Haley, Dinesh D’Sousa, Log Cabin Republicans, &c) think they are going to be somehow exempt from conservative hatred. I guess that’s where the phrase “useful idiot” applies.

Nikki Haley was attacked from within her own party when she was running for office in South Carolina (the same state that came out with the disgusting slander against John McCain).

Yet somehow they think they’re going to be exempt. I don’t get it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:53:56pm

re: #217 Dave In Austin

I’m trying to remember is the dust cover and charging handle were always there of not on the old mods.

I could be strong but I think the dust cover has always been there. Early AR-15s had the charging handle under the carrying handle as on the AR-10. This was changed with standardization as the M-16. Early AR-15s and the first series of Air Force M-16s did not have a forward assist. I actually had one of these rifles for a while at AIT.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:54:00pm

This from a Southern California station showed up as a Promoted Tweet on my timeline. Thought that was odd. One of the replies mentioned it too.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:54:43pm

re: #218 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I have known teachers who seemed to have already done so.
Heavy broadswords might be an optimum solution, at least in elementary grades. That way a mis-behaving child could not use the teacher’s weapon effectively even if the little delinquent could get hold of it.

Samurai Teachers!

nbc.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:57:53pm

re: #225 JordanRules

This from a Southern California station showed up as a Promoted Tweet on my timeline. Thought that was odd. One of the replies mentioned it too.

Promoted as in “this appeared on the news and the NRA paid to promote it to advance their message of guns everywhere” type of promotion? Does Twitter say who promotes tweets?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 10:59:01pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I went into the Army in ‘75. We had the A2’s

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:00:33pm

Video shows the woman taking three shots … the third out the door of the liquor store, violating the NRA’s safety rules on knowing what’s behind your target (like a pedestrian across the street).

She was endangering others on the street to protect booze or money.

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scottslemmons  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:01:43pm

In the latest headdesking news, Kurt Eichenwald is going all-in on defending a GamerGater on Twitter.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:01:46pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know how their promoted tweets work, but I’m going to take a look. They show up in your feed with a little label at the bottom identifying it as one.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:01:52pm

re: #215 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Colt was responsible for series production from the beginning. Armalite was basically a development company with little production capacity. The jamming issues surfaced only after standardization as the M-16. This was largely the result of poor instruction and doctrine. At first the Army actually emphasised that the rifle needed less maintenance than the preceding M-14, leading to an assumption that cleaning could be neglected. In fact, the initial rifles were issued without cleaning kits. This had been based on Colt’s claim that the weapon was “self-cleaning” A change in the powder used also increased fouling. Subsequent versions had some improvements but the real solution to the jamming problem was better training in the maintenance of the rifle.

Initially manufacturing the rifle without a forward assist was a gross, unforgivable mistake because it compounded the maintenance problem by turning a slightly dirty rifle’s failure to completely chamber a round into a uncorrectable debacle at the exact moment that soldiers most desperately needed it to function. Something that should’ve been anticipated from the beginning.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:03:15pm

...

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:03:32pm

re: #231 JordanRules

I don’t know how their promoted tweets work, but I’m going to take a look. They show up in your feed with a little label at the bottom identifying it as one.

It could have been the television station as well, since the clip encourages the viewer to watch the news programme later.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:05:17pm

re: #225 JordanRules

This from a Southern California station showed up as a Promoted Tweet on my timeline. Thought that was odd. One of the replies mentioned it too.

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Ammosexuals will no doubt conclude that what works for a liquor store will also work for schools. However, school robbery is not a major crime problem (though it does happen) and the homicidal mass killer is a different beast from the run-of-the-mill scumbag robber.

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prairiefire  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:07:18pm

re: #211 sagehen

Is it too soon to suggest casting? Tom Hanks is Robert Mueller, obviously.

Sam watterson, for me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:07:20pm

I saw a different promoted tweet, and it had a tiny click box in the lower left of the window. Clicking on that said who promoted it. Does it work that way for all of them?

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:09:33pm

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

Yeah, from my quick look at the program it looks like you can promote your accounts tweets and target by interests or locations so maybe they picked Phoenix, AZ as one of them. You can choose 5 locations. We don’t get the station here though and there are certainly 5 cities in Cali that would make more sense. I’ve never seen promoted tweets from them before.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:16:02pm

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹

I got an option to click on “why am I seeing this ad”. Doesn’t look like they targeted by location so maybe it’s by interests which I have not defined.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:18:32pm
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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:21:33pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:24:56pm
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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:30:53pm

What a dumbass.

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sagehen  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:31:08pm

re: #225 JordanRules

This from a Southern California station showed up as a Promoted Tweet on my timeline. Thought that was odd. One of the replies mentioned it too.

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I’ve seen “store clerk defends” security footage before, and… this looks staged.

The camera angle, being full-color, starting mid-action…

Plus being a promoted tweet; maybe I’m a cynic, but I call BS.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:35:39pm

re: #244 sagehen

It’s a major ABC affiliate in LA. I don’t think it’s fake, but it’s weird that they would be promoting it in places where the station doesn’t broadcast.

You’re right though, that video quality is great. It’s a lot easier and cheaper now to get that than it used to be.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:38:48pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:41:56pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

Initially manufacturing the rifle without a forward assist was a gross, unforgivable mistake because it compounded the maintenance problem by turning a slightly dirty rifle’s failure to completely chamber a round into a uncorrectable debacle at the exact moment that soldiers most desperately needed it to function. Something that should’ve been anticipated from the beginning.

All M-16s except the original Air Force lot had the forward assist though the early AR15s did not. en.m.wikipedia.org
This was actually Incorporated over the objection of designer Eugene Stoner among others. In his defense, he could not have anticipated that the Army would both adopt the dirty Olin powder and tell soldiers that the weapon needed little cleaning.
By the time I reached Vietnam in 1971, the M-16s were working well. In earlier years the practice of scrounging alternative weapons in response to the 16’s problems had practically become a sub-culture and was still widely practiced during my time. As a result I had a folding stock SKS for a while, as well as an M-2 carbine.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:43:52pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:44:26pm

It’s 3-2 USA right now.

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JordanRules  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:53:14pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:55:51pm

re: #249 FormerDirtDart

It’s 3-2 USA right now.

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4-3 SWE thru 5 Ends

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 23, 2018 • 11:56:37pm

re: #250 JordanRules

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In other words, that Texas principal can take a hike.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:02:38am

re: #252 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yup! March on young ones!

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:10:19am

re: #249 FormerDirtDart

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:12:24am

LOL

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:13:58am

re: #245 JordanRules

It’s a major ABC affiliate in LA. I don’t think it’s fake, but it’s weird that they would be promoting it in places where the station doesn’t broadcast.

You’re right though, that video quality is great. It’s a lot easier and cheaper now to get that than it used to be.

Now the actual story has showed up on the station’s twitter timeline — it’s from Tulsa OK.

And what the “yuk yuk see guns are good” people in the timeline are ignoring… is that those of us who want universal background checks, no open carry, assault weapons ban, have never never NEVER suggested banning all guns everywhere.

In fact, something for under the count at the register of a cash business is about the easiest license anywhere ever. Because you’re in a defined premises, a specific predictable target, well-insured, and you had to go through all kinds of background checks to get a business license to open the store in the first place.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:14:40am

re: #251 FormerDirtDart

4-3 SWE thru 5 Ends

5-4 USA thru 6 Ends

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:20:39am

re: #256 sagehen

Now the actual story has showed up on the station’s twitter timeline — it’s from Tulsa OK.

And what the “yuk yuk see guns are good” people in the timeline are ignoring… is that those of us who want universal background checks, no open carry, assault weapons ban, have never never NEVER suggested banning all guns everywhere.

In fact, something for under the count at the register of a cash business is about the easiest license anywhere ever. Because you’re in a defined premises, a specific predictable target, well-insured, and you had to go through all kinds of background checks to get a business license to open the store in the first place.

Yup. Such regulations would not have prevented the women from having their gun where they did.

Shooting out the door into the street is kind of iffy though.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:22:07am

re: #256 sagehen

Wow from Oklahoma. Didn’t expect that from Los Angeles station.

Of note, the people that simply work at stores haven’t had to go thru business license processes. They get stolen from businesses on Law & Order a lot. :)

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freetoken  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:26:28am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:26:45am

NBC: Your temporary access to live streams (re - the curling match) has now ended.

Select your cable provider to continue. (No cable provider here. Too bad for you.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:31:34am

re: #261 Anymouse 🌹

Wait!! It says I can log in via my Navy Exchange account. Let’s see if I can do that… .

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:32:31am

re: #262 Anymouse 🌹

Yay! It’s back! Curling heaven!

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:33:49am

re: #259 JordanRules

Wow from Oklahoma. Didn’t expect that from Los Angeles station.

Of note, the people that simply work at stores haven’t had to go thru business license processes. They get stolen from businesses on Law & Order a lot. :)

And L&O knows where it was stolen from, because the serial number is part of the license and the PD keeps records.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:36:39am

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

5-4 USA thru 6 Ends

5 all thru 7 Ends

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freetoken  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:36:48am

It’s that time of the two year cycle again, when primaries bring out the creationists.

I already posted yesterday about one Texas SBOE nomination battle.

Expect more in coming months.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:36:55am

Eww. Ivanka

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freetoken  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:44:55am

Florida residents could soon get the power to alter science classes

[…]

But the bills approved this month by the education committees in the state’s Senate and House of Representatives go a step further, because they would allow the public to review educational materials used in class and to suggest alternatives. “They would make it easier for creationists, climate-change deniers and — who knows — flat-Earthers to pester their local school boards about their hobbyhorses,” says Glenn Branch, deputy director of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, California. The final decision on whether to follow the recommendations still rests with the school boards.

Attempts to influence what students learn typically tend to tackle the issue head-on, with measures aimed at changing state education standards. Last year, Idaho’s legislature scrapped all references to human-driven global warming from the state’s science standards. And an Iowa bill introduced on 12 February would do something similar by removing guidelines to teach evolution and the effects of human activity on climate (see ‘Targeting education’).

[…]

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:50:09am

Gold!!!!!!!!

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:50:59am

re: #269 JordanRules

Oh it’s not over yet? LOL

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:51:20am

re: #265 FormerDirtDart

5 all thru 7 Ends

10-5 USA thru 8 Ends

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:51:34am

That was a magnificent final throw from the USA on End Eight.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:00:53am

re: #271 FormerDirtDart

10-5 USA thru 8 Ends

10-7 USA thru 9 Ends
USA has Hammer for the last End

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The Great Eye  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:02:19am

re: #273 FormerDirtDart

10-7 USA thru 9 Ends
USA has Hammer for the last End

Just waste your two rocks in the free guard zone and then peel till the Swedes concede.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:07:27am

Is a concession coming up for Sweden?

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The Great Eye  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:07:53am

Stone or two away.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:08:40am

GOLD

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:10:14am

GOLD!

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The Great Eye  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:10:25am

Amazing. John Shuster has never failed to make my blood boil with his ineptitude every four years and now he and his team pull off Gold. Never would have thought it possible.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:12:44am

Coming up: The award ceremony …

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Varek Raith  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:14:46am

Bad morning.
My head hurts like hell.
Thanks, Obama.

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freetoken  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:23:30am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart

GOLD

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

GOLD!

RON PAUL!

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freetoken  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:25:21am

Your overnight archeology:

THE TARTESSOS MYSTERY SLOWLY COMES TO LIGHT

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:28:18am

Will conservatives across the country stand for the National Anthem in front of their television sets?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:29:08am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart

GOLD

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

GOLD!

re: #282 freetoken

RON PAUL!

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Varek Raith  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:30:01am

re: #285 FormerDirtDart

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TRUST IN GOLD

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:37:45am

That was marvelous.

My wife is scratching her head trying to figure out how curling works.

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Varek Raith  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:39:19am

re: #287 Anymouse 🌹

That was marvelous.

My wife is scratching her head trying to figure out how curling works.

Heh.
I sat down a few days ago to watch a full game.
I get the gist of it now. Quite interesting.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:49:36am

OK, time to get an hour or two of sleep

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Varek Raith  Feb 24, 2018 • 2:02:10am

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 2:15:13am

re: #288 Varek Raith

Heh.
I sat down a few days ago to watch a full game.
I get the gist of it now. Quite interesting.

I know how curling is played, but trying to explain it to her (simply, without the strategy, just the rules) was too much: I’m going to watch Hulu instead.

She was also unaware that northern tier states like Ohio have curling rinks. Her only previous view of a curling rink was watching the CBC show Little Mosque on the Prairie (in a couple episodes, the mosque moves to the town curling rink because the new priest of the church kicked them out).

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 2:22:17am
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Varek Raith  Feb 24, 2018 • 2:38:32am

Interesting seeing the rw/nra freakout when teenagers completely pick apart their ideology.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 2:45:07am

Former RNC Chair Michael Steele: GOP Clearly More Racist: ‘How Quickly They Revert to Race as a Weapon’ (Goes to Raw Story, more at the link, referring to the statement made about him at CPAC on Joy Ann Reid’s MSNBC show tonight):

“Of course I had one of those moments where you just go, what the?” Steele said. “So, yeah, a little shocked, a little disappointed. Surprised that people still in the party feel this way and look at the contributions that anyone would make to the party through the principle of race. It’s unfortunate, it’s stupid, it’s immature. And I’m waiting to speak to [conference chair] Matt Schlap about it.”

He noted he’s spoken at CPAC in the past and “I think also, Joy, to make up of what is going on in this country as well, and how quickly people revert to race as a weapon.” He called it “ignorant.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 3:11:24am

And in the losing exchange Laura Ingraham had on Twitter with Sarah Chadwick of Marjorie Stoneman High School, out comes a Huffington Post article about it:

Florida Shooting Survivor Suggests Calling AR-15 Rifles ‘Marco Rubios’

“They’re both so easy to buy,” she said.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 3:55:03am

re: #183 makeitstop

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That tweet led me to CNN’s rundown of Mueller’s team. This is gonna make for one hell of a movie someday.

cnn.com

Robert Redford as Mueller.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 3:55:30am

Rep. Brian Mast (R-Fla.) had an editorial in the New York Times, where he argued the AR-15 is a military weapon he used when he was in the military, and should not be in the hands of civilians.

Right-wingers are now attacking him on Twitter, calling for primarying him and questioning his military service and knowledge of guns. (The trifecta of conservatives.)

With sample tweets:
rawstory.com

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jeffreyw  Feb 24, 2018 • 4:05:52am

Imgur

Imgur


Good morning!

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 4:11:11am

re: #202 makeitstop

Good thread on Manafort.

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That thread is infuriating. Republicans are traitors. Period. 😡😡😡😡😡

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freetoken  Feb 24, 2018 • 4:36:04am

re: #202 makeitstop

It’s all getting so complicated.

We need a giant wall chart to keep all the actors and their crimes sorted out.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 4:45:30am

Color me surprised.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 4:47:22am

Oklahoma state rep finds way to ban Muslims, Jews, Hindus, atheists, and others from offering invocations for the state legislature.

tulsaworld.com

He has issued rules that a state rep may only invite a member of his house of worship to lead prayers. Since every state rep is a Christian, that effectively bars any other religion (and atheists do not have houses of worship).

In the past, a Democratic legislator invited an imam from a mosque, which upset the poor conservative snowflake. Thus the rules change.

The Oklahoma House and Senate both begin each legislative day with a prayer led by a chaplain sponsored by individual members.

However, a new rule prohibits members of minority religions from serving as chaplain of the day in the House, members of the Islamic community and others said Friday.

A letter addressing the House’s Chaplain of the Day/Week Program for 2018 states, “We do ask that the Chaplain be from the Representative’s own place of worship.” The letter is signed by Rep. Chuck Strohm, R-Jenks, who is the chaplain coordinator in the House.

Adam Soltani, executive director of CAIR Oklahoma, said since there are no House members of the Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or several other minority faiths, the rule prevents people who practice those religions from participating in the chaplain program.

(more at the Tulsa World)

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 4:56:18am

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

That sounds rather like establishing a state religion.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:00:20am

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

The Supreme Court case Town of Greece v Galloway addresses the issue of invocations prior to starting legislative sessions. While invocations are allowed as traditional to American governance, they may not be discriminatory in nature.

Going at this from a strictly apologetics view as an atheist, I would argue that if this fellow feels his faith is threatened by an imam offering an invocation, the problem is not the imam. It would appear that his faith is so weak it cannot stand up to a prayer offered by somebody with a different faith than him.

Perhaps he needs to consult his Bible on the issue of faith if the only way he can protect it is by denying other people.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:06:07am

re: #304 Anymouse 🌹

That’s the whole conservative agenda - denying everyone else the right to be different from the conservative ideal.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:14:51am

re: #305 wheat-dogg

That’s the whole conservative agenda - denying everyone else the right to be different from the conservative ideal.

“Compassionate conservatism” and “the Party of Smaller Government.”

Is there anything about the GOP that isn’t projection?

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:16:49am

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹

“Compassionate conservatism” and “the Party of Smaller Government.”

Is there anything about the GOP that isn’t projection?

Nope. Everything they accuse “The Left” of doing, they do themselves.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:19:02am

re: #307 wheat-dogg

Nope. Everything they accuse “The Left” of doing, they do themselves.

I’m glad our village board doesn’t engage in such nonsense.

We get in, do our work, get out. The overwhelming majority of the village is Christian except my wife and me, yet no one in town seems to be up-in-arms that board meetings don’t start with some sort of invocation.

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freetoken  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:20:25am

News story from the other day:

How DNA Proved Wild Horses No Longer Exist

All the wild horses are extinct, finds study

It’s been sensationalized a bit, with the usual outlets using terms like “upended” this or that.

But it’s not really that shocking. Like with so many other large animals, we’ve extinguished them in the wild.

The Przewalski’s horses really are “wild”, however, they became feral after some early domestication. Headlines really shouldn’t be using term “wild”, as even the horses in the American southwest, from escaped horses from ranches, are indeed wild (i.e., running free, not domesticated.)

Rather, what is shown is that there are no horses around today that have not gone through a domestication stage in their ancestry, where we humans have selectively bred for this or that trait, and that the Holocene progenitors of all horses living today have yet to be identified in any DNA in remains discovered in the ground.

The study as published in Science:

Ancient genomes revisit the ancestry of domestic and Przewalski’s horses

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:32:44am

Comment #302 has now been added as an article to the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs. (Shameless self-promotion)

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:35:07am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:44:05am

re: #311 MsJ

Eric, Eric, poor snowflake … let a poor high school educated nobody who will never have in his life all the money that you earn in two weeks explain this “free speech” thing so many conservatives seem to have trouble with.

a) No one is curtailing your speech
b) It only applies to the government
c) We get free speech as well
d) You are free to rebut any claims against your family made by your detractors
e) If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:44:34am

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹

Is there anything about the GOP that isn’t projection?

Heh. Yup. I think Ingraham says it terests about herself.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:47:05am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:47:35am

re: #313 MsJ

Maybe that’s projection as well? /s

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:49:01am

Lre: #311 MsJ

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Uh no.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:50:57am

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

Maybe that’s projection as well? /s

Indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:51:21am

re: #301 MsJ

Color me surprised.

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As I’ve observed Bernie is more like Trump than his supporters will ever admit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:52:25am

re: #313 MsJ

Heh. Yup. I think Ingraham says it terests about herself.

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Oh but deplorable was so awful. HRC was right but should have gone further.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 5:58:10am

re: #301 MsJ

Color me surprised.

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Asked to explain why Sanders would repeat a story he didn’t know was true and turned out not to be, Sanders spokesperson Arianna Jones said he’s “not a great fan of reporters who try to provoke controversy where none exists.” She reiterated the point the senator has made through the week about how he campaigned hard for Clinton.

Of course not, Bernie’s more of a fan of provoking controversy himself in order to maintain his “purity pony” status.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:01:34am

He has the same habit of Trump of going after the media when he fucks up. Sanders is just as immature as Trump is when dealing with things he doesn’t like.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:02:04am

re: #243 JordanRules

What a dumbass.

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Ted Cruz called that AR-15 that he was cooking bacon on a machine gun.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:04:04am

re: #322 bill d. (b.d.)

Ted Cruz called that AR-15 that he was cooking bacon on a machine gun.

A mistake that a liberal would be crucified for by a “real” gun owner.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:04:32am
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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:05:09am

re: #322 bill d. (b.d.)

Yep and TPM fact checked him.

TPM Fact Check: No, Ted Cruz Did Not Cook Bacon With A Machine Gun

talkingpointsmemo.com

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:06:30am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

And of course his immediate response was to go after Clinton, also just like Trump.
Dude’s a fraud.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:07:47am

re: #324 Dave In Austin

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Really, I don’t see liberal talking heads do that shit. Imgraham was a Trump surrogate. She can call me what she wants to but if she’s going to, she can stfu about mean liberals. BTW Laura your side is more like syphilis. Better to be herpes than that.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:08:00am

This is a good representation of how much rain we’ve gotten here in the Metroplex over the last few days:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:08:19am

re: #326 JordanRules

And of course his immediate response was to go after Clinton, also just like Trump.
Dude’s a fraud.

He needs to be a non factor in 2020.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:09:00am

re: #216 The Ghost of a Flea

I don’t agree with Steele on basically anything in policy, but that was just disgusting and tawdry and small. How pathetic a man, how pathetic a party, for that to be considered a clever or adroit statement. How callous a man, how thoughtless a party, to need that kind of pettiness to fuel them.

To be fair to the other people at the table, my impression was that they were shocked by the statement and did not consider it clever or adroit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:10:10am

re: #323 Targetpractice

A mistake that a liberal would be crucified for by a “real” gun owner.

Yeah but gun pedantry is only for liberals.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:10:48am

The comment about Michael Steele doesn’t surprise me, I’ve suspected for years that the entire reason they made him chairman was because they’d gotten their asses kicked at the polls by the minority vote in ‘08 and wanted to make a play at being “diverse” and “inclusive.”

But they dropped that as soon as they won big in ‘10 and decided that they didn’t need to win over minority voters, they just needed to stoke white resentment.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:11:27am

re: #323 Targetpractice

A mistake that a liberal would be crucified for by a “real” gun owner.

Every time a liberal makes that error they need to say that Ted Cruz said it was a machine gun.

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jeffreyw  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:12:08am

re: #201 Dave In Austin

I think they had jamming problems with the early AR-15’s. Most GB’s gave them up for AK’47 for their durability. The M-16 and A2 modals fixed a lot of the jamming issues. Didn’t Colt take over production at some point?

I was issued a Colt made M-16A2 in ‘69 or’70. I made it a point to gather up as many Colt made mags as I could, all of them 20 rounders at that time. I didn’t have any jamming issues, but only loaded 18 rds in them as a rule.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:12:37am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

“Republicans, A weeping chancre that eventually drives one insane”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:13:08am

re: #333 bill d. (b.d.)

Every time a liberal makes that error they need to say that Ted Cruz said it was a machine gun.

Ted Cruz thinks you shoot basketballs in a ring and thinks Lisa is the antagonist of the Simpsons. Dude you’re literally a member of Mr. Burns and Sideshow Bob’s party.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:15:49am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Ted Cruz thinks you shoot basketballs in a ring and thinks Lisa is the antagonist of the Simpsons. Dude you’re literally a member of Mr. Burns and Sideshow Bob’s party.

I have been throwing money at Beto in hopes of a miracle upset, gonna buy a Powerball ticket today too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:16:19am

re: #332 Targetpractice

The comment about Michael Steele doesn’t surprise me, I’ve suspected for years that the entire reason they made him chairman was because they’d gotten their asses kicked at the polls by the minority vote in ‘08 and wanted to make a play at being “diverse” and “inclusive.”

But they dropped that as soon as they won big in ‘10 and decided that they didn’t need to win over minority voters, they just needed to stoke white resentment.

It doesn’t me either. You know thing about Steele is I think he’s a fairly likable guy but he was definitely used. I’m glad the comm Director said that though and I hope Mia Love, Tim Scott, Allan West, etc all heard. Because that kind of statement is exactly why the GOP sucks and why any conservative who uses Dem plantation should be snacked.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:17:20am

re: #337 bill d. (b.d.)

I have been throwing money at Beto in hopes of a miracle upset, gonna buy a Powerball ticket today too.

Let’s hope so. Cruz needs to go but Beto is great on his own.

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I cannot.  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:18:03am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

any conservative who uses Dem plantation should be snacked.

We should eat them alive? With votes, of course.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:18:07am

re: #332 Targetpractice

The comment about Michael Steele doesn’t surprise me, I’ve suspected for years that the entire reason they made him chairman was because they’d gotten their asses kicked at the polls by the minority vote in ‘08 and wanted to make a play at being “diverse” and “inclusive.”

But they dropped that as soon as they won big in ‘10 and decided that they didn’t need to win over minority voters, they just needed to stoke white resentment.

They’ve been doing that since Goldwater.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:20:06am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

It doesn’t me either. You know thing about Steele is I think he’s a fairly likable guy but he was definitely used. I’m glad the comm Director said that though and I hope Mia Love, Tim Scott, Allan West, etc all heard. Because that kind of statement is exactly why the GOP sucks and why any conservative who uses Dem plantation should be snacked.

They might have heard, but they are conservatives. Until it affects them personally (they personally come under attack), they’ll remain convinced they are somehow different. See also Ben Carson, put in charge of HUD because of his fantastic experience with urban development as a neurosurgeon.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:20:50am

re: #330 Hecuba’s daughter

Gasping cause he said it out loud perhaps?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:20:59am

re: #340 I cannot.

We should eat them alive? With votes, of course.

Ha damn sMacked.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:22:16am

re: #341 Anymouse 🌹

They’ve been doing that since Goldwater.

Of course. They make occasional plays at suddenly “getting” minority voters and trying to appeal to them, but that only last as long as the next election cycle. The rest of the time, much like the “All Lives Matter” horseshit, they lie to everything (including themselves) that their policies are helpful to all and so they have no need to appeal to minorities. That if minorities won’t vote for them, it’s not a flaw in their approach, it’s some shadowy influence or inherent flaw in those voters.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:22:25am

re: #342 Anymouse 🌹

They might have heard, but they are conservatives. Until it affects them personally (they personally come under attack), they’ll remain convinced they are somehow different. See also Ben Carson, put in charge of HUD because of his fantastic experience with urban development as a neurosurgeon.

Well it may not have been an attack on them directly but it was a tack acknowledgment of how little they regard PoC.

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lawhawk  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:22:29am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

For reasons I can’t quite put a finger on, the Parkland shooting is finally resonating with enough people that the NRA and GOP are on the defensive for their absolutely horrific positions of putting unfettered access to guns above all else.

It’s also starting to expose the lie that the right wing has perpetrated for years about how they’re strong supporters of law enforcement and first responders.

I’ve long called out the GOP and right wing for treating first responders as disposable heroes - going back to their horrific treatment of 9/11 responders (and denying them health care/coverage/assistance for years, and refusing to reauthorize Zadroga Act, etc.).

But once again, they’re going after cops for not doing enough in Parkland. The same people who claim a good guy with a gun would stop the bad guns are having to confront fact that the good guys didn’t stop the shooting. Even trained cops that were present couldn’t and didn’t stop the violence (waves to Reagan surrounded by Secret Service as proof that even the most highly trained professionals in the world can’t prevent or deter shootings by a determined attacker).

So, what has the GOP/NRA cooked up? Well, they’re looking at turning schools into prisons, complete with smaller windows and ripping out trees to clear sight lines.

Yeah, you read that right.

These fuckers, with Trump’s blessing, want to bring about a dystopian nightmare.

So of course teens will lead the nation into a better path (Hunger Games, Potter, etc.)

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:24:46am

re: #342 Anymouse 🌹

They might have heard, but they are conservatives. Until it affects them personally (they personally come under attack), they’ll remain convinced they are somehow different. See also Ben Carson, put in charge of HUD because of his fantastic experience with urban development as a neurosurgeon.

Ayep, like time immemorial in American politics, they’ve got themselves that they’re really accepted in the GOP, when the reality is their fellow Republicans simply see them as “one of the good ones.” And that is totally dependent on them nodding along to the party’s racism and voting as they’re told.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:26:57am

re: #345 Targetpractice

Of course. They make occasional plays at suddenly “getting” minority voters and trying to appeal to them, but that only last as long as the next election cycle. The rest of the time, much like the “All Lives Matter” horseshit, they lie to everything (including themselves) that their policies are helpful to all and so they have no need to appeal to minorities. That if minorities won’t vote for them, it’s not a flaw in their approach, it’s some shadowy influence or inherent flaw in those voters.

They treat minority voters like crap and then say they’re too stupid to know what’s good for them. One conservative I know found a former Sit In participant who is now a Republican telling AA people why they should be Republicans. It was just this guy’s resentments against the Dems. I’m not saying a PoC shouldn’t be allowed to be conservative and or Republican but more so saying conservatives idea of minority outreach is belittling them. See Rand Paul telling the Howard students that they’d be shocked at the founders of the NAACP being Republicans or the continued rhetoric that black people only live in the inner city or have absent fathers.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:27:13am

re: #348 Targetpractice

They like living in the sunken place.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:27:26am

I was on Sarah Chadwick’s, one of the students from Stoneman Douglas, twitter feed. We talk about their media savvy. One of the things those who write about this tragedy in the future is be able to look at the exact moment, in each person’s life, when everything changed for them. In all of their timelines, there’s an exact moment when life went from being a normal kid to being a survivor.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:28:34am

re: #343 JordanRules

Gasping cause he said it out loud perhaps?

We are talking about an audience that booed naturalization ceremonies. I think you’re giving CPAC attendees way too much credit, HD.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:28:58am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:29:34am

re: #351 Belafon

I was on Sarah Chadwick’s, one of the students from Stoneman Douglas, twitter feed. We talk about their media savvy. One of the things those who write about this tragedy in the future is be able to look at the exact moment, in each person’s life, when everything changed for them. In all of their timelines, there’s an exact moment when life went from being a normal kid to being a survivor.

They’re great kids. Their parents and teachers should be proud.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:31:32am

They call gun control people elitists. Motherfucker you spend more on one gun often than I do in a whole year on books.

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makeitstop  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:32:16am

re: #174 Dave In Austin

Nice…
Ever heard David Hartley? As far as I’m concerned he’s the best out there since Buddy Emmons passed. This guy has extraordinary tone.

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Watched the videos. That’s one silky tone he’s got going on. The pickup on mine has the tendency to get brittle and piercing from time to time, so I end up having to EQ the hell out of it. He seems to have whipped that problem. I’m going to look around and see if I can find a rig rundown to see if there’s anything I can get my tone to where his is.

And I paid attention to his foot action, and it looks like he was doing most of his work on pedals 1 and 2! That means there may be hope for me and my dinky pedal setup. I was noticing a lot of bar slants, which I know a little about but I have to work on.

And by the bye, the dude on the Telecaster is no slouch, either. Thanks for posting those. I got work to do.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:33:03am

I’m watching my recording of the gold medal curling game and the CBC keeps showing Ivanka, Sanders, et al every fucking shot. Like they are the only fans there.

I want to hurl.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:33:53am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

They call gun control people elitists. Motherfucker you spend more on one gun often than I do in a whole year on books.

A cheaply-priced AR-15 is three months of my wife’s and my food budget.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:34:56am

re: #358 Anymouse 🌹

A cheaply-priced AR-15 is three months of my wife’s and my food budget.

Yeah but we’re “elitists” and not the NRA fat cats.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:35:03am

Wayne LaPierre: The Democratic Party Is ‘Infested With Saboteurs’ Who Hate America

Wayne is sounding more and more like his recently unmasked Russian masters every day.
“The clintonite clique of wreckers and hooligans is bent only on the destruction and enslavement of the workers and peasants of the gun-owning masses.”

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lawhawk  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:35:43am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

They call gun control people elitists. Motherfucker you spend more on one gun often than I do in a whole year on books.

Base cost of a new AR-15: $500.
Cost of ammo: $40 to $150 depending on caliber/number of rounds.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:36:05am

re: #353 Belafon

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These poor kids are great, I sure wish that they never had to be put in this place.

They are winning. They grew up with social media and it is part of them and they are blowing holes in the very flimsy and fake facade of the gunhumpers. They have the youthful f-you attitude along with humor and wit. When the wingnuts fight back they are picking on a kid, they will always look horrible.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:36:18am

re: #360 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wayne LaPierre: The Democratic Party Is ‘Infested With Saboteurs’ Who Hate America

Wayne is sounding more and more like his recently unmasked Russian masters every day.
“The clintonite clique of wreckers and hooligans is bent only on the destruction and enslavement of the workers and peasants of the gun-owning masses.”

I’m waiting for him to praise the Nazis.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:37:04am

re: #361 lawhawk

Base cost of a new AR-15: $500.
Cost of ammo: $40 to $150 depending on caliber/number of rounds.

Yep that’s more than my book budget.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:37:48am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

Oh I agree. I was trying to find a possibility that accounts for Hecuba’s ‘to be fair’ because she’s right, the folks at the table did indeed gasp when he said it. But I don’t think that grants them anything more than a possible commitment to public decorum.

To me there is no good faith argument about the party not being racist as hell.

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lawhawk  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:38:06am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:38:10am

re: #360 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wayne LaPierre: The Democratic Party Is ‘Infested With Saboteurs’ Who Hate America

Wayne is sounding more and more like his recently unmasked Russian masters every day.
“The clintonite clique of wreckers and hooligans is bent only on the destruction and enslavement of the workers and peasants of the gun-owning masses.”

Either that or he’s trying to spin up a XXI Century version of the SA.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:39:10am

re: #365 JordanRules

Oh I agree. I was trying to find a possibility that accounts for Hecuba’s ‘to be fair’ because she’s right, the folks at the table did indeed gasp when he said it. But I don’t think that grants them anything more than a possible commitment to public decorum.

To me there is no good faith argument about the party not being racist as hell.

Right.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:41:18am

re: #361 lawhawk

That’s relatively cheap. Way cheaper than I’d assumed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:41:57am

I hate America. I guess that’s why I spent an entire career in the Navy. FU too, Wayne. Where where you when your draft number of 7 came up? How’d you manage to get out of the draft?

I volunteered. At the time the military was hated the most (right after the end of the Vietnam War).

But then GHW Bush also said I could not be patriotic and didn’t think I should be a citizen, so this isn’t anything new for conservatism.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:49:10am

re: #347 lawhawk

re: #366 lawhawk

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Honestly, the only thing that makes sense at this point is Paul is still holding out for a pardon from Donny, figuring he can take his chances with the state-level charges. That they’re more likely to spin a plea for him that avoids anything concerning the election, which is a given if he wants to avoid time in Club Fed.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:49:11am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:49:47am

re: #164 BlueGrl21

You see a bunch of Teslas where I live…my son’s best friend’s father has one. It’s gorgeous.

Our local Target has a charging station.

They just put a Tesla charging station in beside the Sheetz up the road from where I work. I’m in NW PA between Pittsburgh and Erie on the Ohio line. I work right off the I-80/I-376 interchange, so it is a pretty well placed location.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:49:54am

re: #360 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wayne LaPierre: The Democratic Party Is ‘Infested With Saboteurs’ Who Hate America

Wayne is sounding more and more like his recently unmasked Russian masters every day.
“The clintonite clique of wreckers and hooligans is bent only on the destruction and enslavement of the workers and peasants of the gun-owning masses.”

Wayne’s worst nightmare has come true: Fewer people are afraid of the NRA, thanks to a bunch of kids refusing to cower after a massacre. Politicians, mostly on the left, are finally recognizing that the NRA is not as powerful as they seem.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:50:33am

re: #369 JordanRules

For $540 dollars (1 or 2 paychecks or a low line of credit would get most there) you can buy a war weapon and go out in a blaze of violence.
Crazy.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:52:21am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

They call gun control people elitists. Motherfucker you spend more on one gun often than I do in a whole year on books.

That’s just called tithing to their god.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:53:05am

re: #372 MsJ

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Yawn. Try some of that personal responsibility. Obama didn’t make you say that and neither did George Soros. You said it because of you.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:54:14am

re: #375 JordanRules

For $540 dollars (1 or 2 paychecks or a low line of credit would get most there) you can buy a war weapon and go out in a blaze of violence.
Crazy.

If you’re planning to go out in a BoG, or to go off the grid forever, you can fund an arsenal on plastic.

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lawhawk  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:54:55am

re: #371 Targetpractice

Honestly, the only thing that makes sense at this point is Paul is still holding out for a pardon from Donny, figuring he can take his chances with the state-level charges. That they’re more likely to spin a plea for him that avoids anything concerning the election, which is a given if he wants to avoid time in Club Fed.

Hoping for a pardon and accepting one increases chances of a conviction on state related charges.

Under Burdick, accepting pardon is admission of guilt. That would mean that state financial crimes relating to his federal charges would be bolstered. And NY’s financial crimes team is no joke with Schneiderman leading things.

So, that plea deal actually looks better even with the pardon possibility at the federal level.

Trump’s people are playing checkers against Mueller’s 3d chess strategy.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:59:10am

re: #378 Decatur Deb

Apparently, geez. I confess to ignorance on this subject and assumed some of the reverence equaled high price points to signify greatness.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 6:59:58am

re: #380 JordanRules

Apparently, geez. I confess to ignorance on this subject and assumed some of the reverence equaled high price points to signify greatness.

It would wreck your credit rating.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:00:32am

re: #374 Belafon

Wayne’s worst nightmare has come true: Fewer people are afraid of the NRA, thanks to a bunch of kids refusing to cower after a massacre. Politicians, mostly on the left, are finally recognizing that the NRA is not as powerful as they seem.

The first clue was last November, when Ralph Northam ran as a Dem with a poor NRA “rating” and won big, compounded by the exit poll numbers that showed gun policy a major issue for the people who elected him.

That’s the big issue for the NRA right now, they’re not used to a situation where the fear of a bad “rating” from them fails to silence debate. Where they just have to breath “Assault Weapons Ban” and the DNC clams up out of fear that they’ll take a drubbing again at the polls. The debate is shifting sharply against them and they have no response other than to double down on the fearmongering.

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The Major  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:00:33am
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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:00:37am

re: #381 Decatur Deb

It would wreck your credit rating.

If you’re dead or in jail, it doesn’t really matter, though.

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makeitstop  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:00:40am

re: #372 MsJ

CPAC Communications Director Blames Obama For His Racist Attack On Michael Steele

Their blame-shifting has long since started reading like bad satire.

Utterly predictable. Completely lame. Cowardly. Remember when conservatives used to cry ‘Blame Bush!’ every time we (rightfully) blamed Bush for things he actually did?

I ‘member.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:02:15am

re: #384 Belafon

If you’re dead or in jail, it doesn’t really matter, though.

That’s the beauty of it. This kid actually seemed to have planned to escape—up to a point.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:03:31am

re: #209 JordanRules

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Finally. I have been pushing for this since we decided to use those machines. I was on the first year of my 4 year term as Judge of Elections in my precinct when they introduced those. I asked the then Director of Elections if we were going to get a paper trail printout other than the beginning day zero tape printout and the end of day tally printout, he said not for these. The next year someone else became Director (and is still in that position and doing a good job), and I asked him about it. He said he had brought it up about doing that when they have to replace the current machines, since they were basically just a year old at that time. Glad to see it come to pass.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:04:29am

re: #372 MsJ

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The party of personal responsibility strikes again

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lawhawk  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:05:42am

Podhoretz seems to ignore or not know that most gun purchases include free memberships in the NRA, which inflates their membership numbers significantly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:05:50am

re: #382 Targetpractice

The first clue was last November, when Ralph Northam ran as a Dem with a poor NRA “rating” and won big, compounded by the exit poll numbers that showed gun policy a major issue for the people who elected him.

That’s the big issue for the NRA right now, they’re not used to a situation where the fear of a bad “rating” from them fails to silence debate. Where they just have to breath “Assault Weapons Ban” and the DNC clams up out of fear that they’ll take a drubbing again at the polls. The debate is shifting sharply against them and they have no response other than to double down on the fearmongering.

For once they are on the defensive.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:06:03am

It’s like I said, there’s no way even Donny’s half-assed gun control “ideas” are going anywhere in this Congress:

Apparently the GOP “compromise” now is just “shoring up” the very background system that the NRA actively works to undermine every other waking moment.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:10:50am

re: #385 makeitstop

Their blame-shifting has long since started reading like bad satire.

Utterly predictable. Completely lame. Cowardly. Remember when conservatives used to cry ‘Blame Bush!’ every time we (rightfully) blamed Bush for things he actually did?

I ‘member.

Their supposed Personal Responsibly mantra is nothing but BS. Personal responsibility is only for Other People. Republicans are always excluded.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:13:13am
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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:14:16am

These kids crack me up.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:15:40am

re: #386 Decatur Deb

That’s the beauty of it. This kid actually seemed to have planned to escape—up to a point.

Yeah, he seems to have planned some kind of escape, at least post-incident. The one flaw in his plan is that everyone knew who he was and there would be an APB/BOLO on him in a hot second.

What he planned to do at that point is a very good question.

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makeitstop  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:19:47am

Seen on Facebook…

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:20:22am

re: #345 Targetpractice

Of course. They make occasional plays at suddenly “getting” minority voters and trying to appeal to them, but that only last as long as the next election cycle. The rest of the time, much like the “All Lives Matter” horseshit, they lie to everything (including themselves) that their policies are helpful to all and so they have no need to appeal to minorities. That if minorities won’t vote for them, it’s not a flaw in their approach, it’s some shadowy influence or inherent flaw in those voters.

The obvious facts (for some values of “obvious”) they choose to ignore

1. 30% or more of black voters lean conservative on foreign policy, national security, small business regulations, education, the churchy stuff, any number of issues; and
2. Most of those voters vote Democrat anyway; mostly because Civil Rights (voting rights) is their top shelf issue that outweighs everything else.

The Democrats don’t have to do or say much of anything to attract black voters, because Republicans work so hard to repel said voters.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:20:44am

re: #394 JordanRules

These kids crack me up.

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This is a situation for which the NRA is totally unprepared. They’re used to the outrage over a shooting coming and going in a few days as the press gets bogged down in questions of who the shooter was and his motivations, what failures in the law allowed the shooting to happen, and political catfights over the law that ultimately go nowhere because the NRA snuffs it out with threats of pulling funding/giving a bad “rating”/supporting a primary challenger.

They have no real plan in place for dealing with victims beyond empty platitudes and hollow “empathy,” and are totally lost on what to do when it’s the victims that are leading the push for change.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:22:13am

re: #397 sagehen

The obvious facts (for some values of “obvious”) they choose to ignore

1. 30% or more of black voters lean conservative on foreign policy, national security, small business regulations, education, the churchy stuff, any number of issues; and
2. Most of those voters vote Democrat anyway; mostly because Civil Rights (voting rights) is their top shelf issue that outweighs everything else.

The Democrats don’t have to do or say much of anything to attract black voters, because Republicans work so hard to repel said voters.

IMO, it’s simple. The Dems by and large show respect to the AA community and the Republiacns don’t.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:22:38am

re: #397 sagehen

The obvious facts (for some values of “obvious”) they choose to ignore

1. 30% or more of black voters lean conservative on foreign policy, national security, small business regulations, education, the churchy stuff, any number of issues; and
2. Most of those voters vote Democrat anyway; mostly because Civil Rights (voting rights) is their top shelf issue that outweighs everything else.

The Democrats don’t have to do or say much of anything to attract black voters, because Republicans work so hard to repel said voters.

Ayep. It’s become the same with Latino voters, who the GOP think they’re winning over with their “I don’t hate you, I just hate those ‘illegals,’” talk, totally ignorant of the reality that those voters only hear the bile and hatred towards people who look just like them, speak their language, and are impossible to tell apart once they’ve integrated into society.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:22:59am

re: #389 lawhawk

Podhoretz seems to ignore or not know that most gun purchases include free memberships in the NRA, which inflates their membership numbers significantly.

And those companies weighed the value of their endorsement of the NRA, if a ton of people actually used their discounts then the severance of ties wouldn’t be coming as quickly as it is.

Could it be that the NRA inflated their active and participating membership numbers to curry favor and better deals? NO WAY!!

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m0nkeyb0y  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:23:13am

re: #258 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. Such regulations would not have prevented the women from having their gun where they did.

Shooting out the door into the street is kind of iffy though.

After the mother shoots towards the street the daughter shoots towards her mother when she is grappling the crook at the end.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:24:19am

re: #397 sagehen

The obvious facts (for some values of “obvious”) they choose to ignore

1. 30% or more of black voters lean conservative on foreign policy, national security, small business regulations, education, the churchy stuff, any number of issues; and
2. Most of those voters vote Democrat anyway; mostly because Civil Rights (voting rights) is their top shelf issue that outweighs everything else.

The Democrats don’t have to do or say much of anything to attract black voters, because Republicans work so hard to repel said voters.

Dems have to work very hard to defeat despair, apathy, and disenfranchisement in the AA electorate. There is no demographic slice of the left coalition that can be neglected or dispensed-with.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:24:40am

re: #372 MsJ

President Obama really does live rent-free in their heads.

I’m not a big fan of Politicus USA, but that was a pretty spot-on article.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:25:19am

re: #401 bill d. (b.d.)

And those companies weighed the value of their endorsement of the NRA, if a ton of people actually used their discounts then the severance of ties wouldn’t be coming as quickly as it is.

Could it be that the NRA inflated their active and participating membership numbers to curry favor and better deals? NO WAY!!

The suspicion for ages now is that the NRA counts a lot of those who allowed their “free” membership to lapse or have since left in order to inflate their membership rolls. That if they ever cleaned those two groups out, we’d find that there’s really little more than a skeleton left. It’s bones composed primarily of the far-right crazies who think they’re gonna be the guerilla fighters against a coming fascist takeover.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:26:13am

re: #400 Targetpractice

Ayep. It’s become the same with Latino voters, who the GOP think they’re winning over with their “I don’t hate you, I just hate those ‘illegals,’” talk, totally ignorant of the reality that those voters only hear the bile and hatred towards people who look just like them, speak their language, and are impossible to tell apart once they’ve integrated into society.

They’re totally ignorant of how family orientated Hispanics are too. And in my experiences, Hispanics tend to practice real family values as opposed to empty expressions of it like non-Hispaic white Evangelicals do.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:27:34am

re: #375 JordanRules

For $540 dollars (1 or 2 paychecks or a low line of credit would get most there) you can buy a war weapon and go out in a blaze of violence.
Crazy.

Or just win it at a GOP campaign raffle.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:27:57am

re: #374 Belafon

Wayne’s worst nightmare has come true: Fewer people are afraid of the NRA, thanks to a bunch of kids refusing to cower after a massacre. Politicians, mostly on the left, are finally recognizing that the NRA is not as powerful as they seem.

The National Rifle Association itself claims a membership of about three million people. That’s less than one percent of the US populace. If you only count those of voting age, that number is somewhere around two percent.

With all those businesses bailing out now with the press from the Parkland teenagers and their friends and fellow survivors all around the country, the NRA is in real trouble. They cannot seize the message, and they’re lashing out.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:29:31am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

They’re totally ignorant of how family orientated Hispanics are too. And in my experiences, Hispanics tend to practice real family values as opposed to empty expressions of it like non-Hispaic white Evangelicals do.

Much like Jewish voters, the GOP can’t comprehend that being family-oriented and community-oriented means something beyond just “They don’t like gays or abortion.” Most minority communities support family and community-oriented programs that wingnuts interpret as “SOCIALISM!!!” because they believe in supporting each other rather than hoarding what you have while expecting somebody else (i.e. charities) to pick up the slack.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:29:51am

re: #408 Anymouse 🌹

The National Rifle Association itself claims a membership of about three million people. That’s less than one percent of the US populace. If you only count those of voting age, that number is somewhere around two percent.

With all those businesses bailing out now with the press from the Parkland teenagers and their friends and fellow survivors all around the country, the NRA is in real trouble. They cannot seize the message, and they’re lashing out.

They also have competition from the RW—freaks who are too crazy for the NRA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:30:27am

re: #397 sagehen

The obvious facts (for some values of “obvious”) they choose to ignore

1. 30% or more of black voters lean conservative on foreign policy, national security, small business regulations, education, the churchy stuff, any number of issues; and
2. Most of those voters vote Democrat anyway; mostly because Civil Rights (voting rights) is their top shelf issue that outweighs everything else.

The Democrats don’t have to do or say much of anything to attract black voters, because Republicans work so hard to repel said voters.

We should work for every one of those votes though, because “We’re not the GOP” is not much of a platform. In this minority-majority nation, minority voting blocs need a reason to vote for us as well as one to vote against them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:30:32am

re: #409 Targetpractice

Much like Jewish voters, the GOP can’t comprehend that being family-oriented and community-oriented means something beyond just “They don’t like gays or abortion.” Most minority communities support family and community-oriented programs that wingnuts interpret as “SOCIALISM!!!” because they believe in supporting each other rather than hoarding what you have while expecting somebody else (i.e. charities) to pick up the slack.

Exactly.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:30:47am

re: #405 Targetpractice

The suspicion for ages now is that the NRA counts a lot of those who allowed their “free” membership to lapse or have since left in order to inflate their membership rolls. That if they ever cleaned those two groups out, we’d find that there’s really little more than a skeleton left. It’s bones composed primarily of the far-right crazies who think they’re gonna be the guerilla fighters against a coming fascist takeover.

I would be curious to find out from the folks who dumped the NRA what size organization they think the NRA really is based upon member discount participation.

I think the number of members using the services would be closer to the Cocker Spaniel Breeder’s Association than the AARP.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:32:46am

re: #405 Targetpractice

The suspicion for ages now is that the NRA counts a lot of those who allowed their “free” membership to lapse or have since left in order to inflate their membership rolls. That if they ever cleaned those two groups out, we’d find that there’s really little more than a skeleton left. It’s bones composed primarily of the far-right crazies who think they’re gonna be the guerilla fighters against a coming fascist takeover.

The takeover they now support.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:33:13am

My opinion of Bernie is not improving.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:34:02am

From the principal of Marjory Stoneman High School comes this:

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:35:14am

re: #413 bill d. (b.d.)

I would curious to find out from the folks who dumped the NRA what size organization they think the NRA really is based upon member discount participation.

I think the number of members using the services would be closer to the Cocker Spaniel Breeder’s Association than the AARP.

I’d say that you’re pretty much on the money, these companies have severed their relationships because they view the economic cost of remaining associated with the NRA to outweigh whatever “benefits” they get from offering discounts or preferential treatment to NRA members. What gets me is the NRA has been silent on these defections, which suggests they either didn’t see them coming…or they truly believe it’s a temporary situation, that as soon as this all “blows over,” those companies will want back into the NRA’s good graces.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:37:38am

re: #415 FormerDirtDart

My opinion of Bernie is not improving.

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I think less of him daily. He’s not a leader.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:38:32am

re: #417 Targetpractice

I think the NRA was genuinely blindsided - they didn’t see this corporate backlash coming.

After all, it’s never happened before.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:38:33am

Lucian Wintrich blames “the left” for school shootings because “we hate church.”

Goes to Utah Outcasts, 15:13 of snark.

Lucien Wintrich Blames ‘The Left’ For School Shootings Because We Hate Church

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:41:44am

re: #405 Targetpractice

The suspicion for ages now is that the NRA counts a lot of those who allowed their “free” membership to lapse or have since left in order to inflate their membership rolls. That if they ever cleaned those two groups out, we’d find that there’s really little more than a skeleton left. It’s bones composed primarily of the far-right crazies who think they’re gonna be the guerilla fighters against a coming fascist takeover.

Just like Southern Baptists!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:41:55am

re: #420 Anymouse 🌹

You know, and maybe it’s just me, but it’s kinda hard to take someone seriously when their name sounds like they belong on Gilligan’s Island.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:42:35am

re: #420 Anymouse 🌹

Lucian Wintrich blames “the left” for school shootings because “we hate church.”

Goes to Utah Outcasts, 15:13 of snark.

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Video

Lucian would be well-advised to avoid about 145 of the 150 churches in our county.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:42:53am

re: #420 Anymouse 🌹

Lucian Wintrich blames “the left” for school shootings because “we hate church.”

Goes to Utah Outcasts, 15:13 of snark.

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Obama and Clinton were more religious than Trump ever has been. Jimmy Carter is probably the most religious modern President. But nice try Lucian. BTW when’s the last time you actually attended a Mass other than as a stunt to appear more pious than thou.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:43:21am

re: #422 Dr Lizardo

You know, and maybe it’s just me, but it’s kinda hard to take someone seriously when their name sounds like they belong on Gilligan’s Island.

I don’t know … Mary Ann doesn’t seem so bad to me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:43:28am

re: #422 Dr Lizardo

You know, and maybe it’s just me, but it’s kinda hard to take someone seriously when their name sounds like they belong on Gilligan’s Island.

It’s hard to take someone seriously who started “Twinks for Trump”,. nothing wrong with being a twink mind you, but yeah.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:44:07am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

It’s hard to take someone seriously who started “Twinks for Trump”,. nothing wrong with being a twink mind you, but yeah.

In this context, what exactly is a “twink”? Because I’m just going back to my World of Warcraft days, and that statement makes no sense at all.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:44:35am

re: #415 FormerDirtDart

My opinion of Bernie is not improving.

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This was pure Sanders ego in action yet again. He was asked if he believed Russia did anything to help his campaign, and instead of saying something lawyerly like “We’ll wait for the results of the investigation,” he had to make it all about him by not simply claiming it was one of his staffers who noticed the hacking, but that that staffer was the one who raised the alarm to the Clinton campaign.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:45:03am

re: #405 Targetpractice

The suspicion for ages now is that the NRA counts a lot of those who allowed their “free” membership to lapse or have since left in order to inflate their membership rolls. That if they ever cleaned those two groups out, we’d find that there’s really little more than a skeleton left. It’s bones composed primarily of the far-right crazies who think they’re gonna be the guerilla fighters against a coming fascist takeover.

ILA needs to go away same as Trump and the GOP. NRA as in the safety training cadre and insurance broker for ranges and clubs has a proper place in the sport and LEO training. Or someone has to pick up that slack, and it’s a big job.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:45:08am

re: #427 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In this context, what exactly is a “twink”? Because I’m just going back to my World of Warcraft days, and that statement makes no sense at all.

He’s a weird, weird kid.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:45:19am

re: #424 HappyWarrior

President Carter: An evangelical Christian (Southern Baptist), so all the Evangelical Christians voted against him in 1980.

I could not care less personally about Mr. Carter’s religion, but I proudly cast my first vote in 1980 for him.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:45:44am

Ha, ha! The kids have deployed the doggos. Smart!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:46:51am

re: #427 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In this context, what exactly is a “twink”? Because I’m just going back to my World of Warcraft days, and that statement makes no sense at all.

twink (twĭngk)
n. Slang
A young, attractive, usually slender or physically fit gay male.

thefreedictionary.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:46:57am

re: #431 Anymouse 🌹

President Carter: An evangelical Christian (Southern Baptist), so all the Evangelical Christians voted against him in 1980.

I could not care less personally about Mr. Carter’s religion, but I proudly cast my first vote in 1980 for him.

Well all the white ones did anyhow. The RR’s embrace of Reagan was as shamful as their embrace of Trump is today.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:47:16am

Would somebody arrest this guy already?
Donald Trump Jr.’s India visit raised ethical questions. It also helped him sell a lot of million-dollar apartments
LATimes

…Donald Trump Jr. was crisscrossing India on a four-day, four-city tour to promote his family’s real estate interests here — a trip that raised serious ethics questions in Washington, but also helped him sell quite a few million-dollar apartments.
Trump Jr. — who has run the Trump Organization with his brother, Eric, since their father became U.S. president — wrapped up his visit Friday by attending a dinner with buyers of the Gurgaon apartments, which are scheduled to be ready in 2023. Tribeca, the Trumps’ Indian business partners, ran full-page newspaper ads last week promising invitations to anyone who plunked down upwards of $38,000 as a deposit.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:49:26am

Speaking of Tesla… my friend just recently got his Model 3. Well, it’s his wife’s… :)

Here’s a video of it getting detailed and wrapped with paint protection film.

How To PROTECT Your TESLA Model 3

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:49:54am

A stroll down memory lane for some of you Lizards old enough to remember this one:

Riptide - Season1 - Episode4 - Somebody Is Killing The Great Geeks Of America Dvdrip Saints

I used to watch this regularly when I was a kid. Don’t ask me why I recalled it now over three decades later…..for some reason “TV show with a big pink helicopter” popped into my head and there you are.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:50:56am

Rick Gates files motion to go to Spring Break with his children in Boston.

wonkette.com

I’m guessing that’s going to be a “no.” (Wonkette has a copy of the court filing.)

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:52:34am

Apparently the GOP desperation is really starting to set in:

You can see the thinking here: Throw a bone to the gun control crowd and the issue goes away. Don’t make a significant step to addressing the issue, just put another band-aid on there and hope that mollifies people long enough to put November past them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:52:36am

re: #438 Anymouse 🌹

Rick Gates files motion to go to Spring Break with his children in Boston.

wonkette.com

I’m guessing that’s going to be a “no.” (Wonkette has a copy of the court filing.)

Can’t see a judge willing to give him a break after he’s repeatedly lied.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:53:03am

re: #432 JordanRules

Ha, ha! The kids have deployed the doggos. Smart!

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Now we can talk about those meddling kids and their dog.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:53:28am

re: #439 Targetpractice

Apparently the GOP desperation is really starting to set in:

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You can see the thinking here: Throw a bone to the gun control crowd and the issue goes away. Don’t make a significant step to addressing the issue, just put another band-aid on there and hope that mollifies people long enough to put November past them.

I think some of them are genuinely scared politically for once. It’s about time the NRA be put on the political defensive.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:54:24am

re: #442 HappyWarrior

First time since Reagan and Brady got shot.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:54:27am

re: #441 Belafon

Now we can talk about those meddling kids and their dog.

When they take Dana Loesch’s mask, is she really going to be a gun?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:54:58am

re: #442 HappyWarrior

I think some of them are genuinely scared politically for once. It’s about time the NRA be put on the political defensive.

I certainly hope they are. The thing is, if they do throw us a bone, it’ll probably work, but then they’ll think that they can go right back to being their regular old douchecanoes and no one will notice.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:55:03am

re: #443 Unshaken Defiance

First time since Reagan and Brady got shot.

Yep, six years before my birth. The NRA wasn’t bonkers in those days though IIRC.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:55:24am

Good on you Emma.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:55:35am

re: #445 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I certainly hope they are. The thing is, if they do throw us a bone, it’ll probably work, but then they’ll think that they can go right back to being their regular old douchecanoes and no one will notice.

Fortunately, I think the kids won’t forget how NRA board members like Nugent have treated them.

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Varek Raith  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:56:55am

re: #372 MsJ

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PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:57:09am

re: #447 JordanRules

Good on you Emma.

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Thank you Emma. You’re 100% right and that really showed the two faced side of hte NRA. Dana Guns even blamed CAstile because he had marijuana on him. Becaues that justified what happened. We need to paint the NRA not as a gun rights organization but a lobby for gun manfacturers. Paint them as the out of touch elites with no regard for the average American that they’ve painted us as for years.

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:57:51am

re: #324 Dave In Austin

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So, Morning Joke Scarborough has Billy Graham as his Twitter header image. Interesting. I didn’t think anyone would be so important as to replace Joe.

Oh yeah, after reading a bit of the overnight comments; Laura Ingraham sure is ugly. I wonder how much she misses that when she looks into a mirror? Probably a bunch, because she sees only the physical when her real problem is in her head and heart.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:58:34am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

When they take Dana Loesch’s mask, is she really going to be a gun?

Whatever happened to the spokeswoman with the bullet necklace? Is it time to bring her out again to spin up the wingnuts?

(My brother-in-law says that I should not call extremely conservative politicians “wingnuts.” Wingnuts (the fastener) are useful. He is offended by my insulting perfectly good hardware.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 7:58:58am

Donny shows his love for the troops…by wanting them to march for him on Veteran’s Day:

But they save the best bile-inducing bit for last:

Whether the president himself will participate in the event remains unclear. Macron took part in France’s parade, riding in an open-top military vehicle alongside the former chief of the French armed forces and surrounded by hundreds of military men on horseback.

Because that’s the best way to show “support” for the troops, by making it all about guy who got multiple deferments from the draft board and later told people that dodging STDs was his “personal Vietnam.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:01:17am

re: #452 Anymouse 🌹

Whatever happened to the spokeswoman with the bullet necklace? Is it time to bring her out again to spin up the wingnuts?

(My brother-in-law says that I should not call extremely conservative politicians “wingnuts.” Wingnuts (the fastener) are useful. He is offended by my insulting perfectly good hardware.

I dunno. I was more poking fun at the villain reveals in Scooby.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:01:44am

re: #445 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I certainly hope they are. The thing is, if they do throw us a bone, it’ll probably work, but then they’ll think that they can go right back to being their regular old douchecanoes and no one will notice.

The best answer there, pun intended is targeted counter donations.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:01:57am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Thank you Emma. You’re 100% right and that really showed the two faced side of hte NRA. Dana Guns even blamed CAstile because he had marijuana on him. Becaues that justified what happened. We need to paint the NRA not as a gun rights organization but a lobby for gun manfacturers. Paint them as the out of touch elites with no regard for the average American that they’ve painted us as for years.

It really burns me that there are people in this country who idolize police so much that they literally say, “Well, if the police shot him, he must have been doing something wrong.” Like cops can’t be bad guys with guns sometimes.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:03:14am

re: #456 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It really burns me that there are people in this country who idolize police so much that they literally say, “Well, if the police shot him, he must have been doing something wrong.” Like cops can’t be bad guys with guns sometimes.

I know. It’s like the concept of a criminal cop is foreign to them. Castile deserved better.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:04:08am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Thank you Emma. You’re 100% right and that really showed the two faced side of hte NRA. Dana Guns even blamed CAstile because he had marijuana on him. Becaues that justified what happened. We need to paint the NRA not as a gun rights organization but a lobby for gun manfacturers. Paint them as the out of touch elites with no regard for the average American that they’ve painted us as for years.

Paint them as a racist organisation. If the NRA stood by what it claimed (that a person in legal possession of a gun whose rights were violated), then Philando Castile’s family would have been defended by the NRA as he was a member.

Cannabis does not carry summary execution by the justice system. The NRA should have given the Castile family the benefit of a full-throated legal defence. So either:

a) that claim is BS and they are simply grifting, or
b) they are racists.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:04:10am

Yikes. Check out this thread.

Pro Publica does really great work.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:04:38am

re: #458 Anymouse 🌹

Paint them as a racist organisation. If the NRA stood by what it claimed (that a person in legal possession of a gun whose rights were violated), then Philando Castile’s family would have been defended by the NRA as he was a member.

Cannabis does not carry summary execution by the justice system. The NRA should have given the Castile family the benefit of a full-throated legal defence. So either:

a) that claim is BS and they are simply grifting, or
b) they are racists.

Why not both?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:07:06am

re: #458 Anymouse 🌹

Paint them as a racist organisation. If the NRA stood by what it claimed (that a person in legal possession of a gun whose rights were violated), then Philando Castile’s family would have been defended by the NRA as he was a member.

Cannabis does not carry summary execution by the justice system. The NRA should have given the Castile family the benefit of a full-throated legal defence. So either:

a) that claim is BS and they are simply grifting, or
b) they are racists.

Agreed. Call the racist bastards out for what they are.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:07:20am

re: #460 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Why not both?

Yeah tehy’re grifting racists.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:07:22am

re: #453 Targetpractice

Donny shows his love for the troops…by wanting them to march for him on Veteran’s Day:

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But they save the best bile-inducing bit for last:

Because that’s the best way to show “support” for the troops, by making it all about guy who got multiple deferments from the draft board and later told people that dodging STDs was his “personal Vietnam.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:08:41am

re: #457 HappyWarrior

I know. It’s like the concept of a criminal cop is foreign to them. Castile deserved better.

And the thing of it is, this attitude is so pervasive that when it comes down to convicting a cop of anything, it’s virtually impossible, because people (whether implicitly or explicitly) place a higher level of trust in the police. I get it, no one wants to have their confidence shaken in the system of law enforcement, but putting on a blue uniform does not make one a god. We need to find a way to break this mold and hold our police accountable as regular people.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:10:12am

re: #464 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And the thing of it is, this attitude is so pervasive that when it comes down to convicting a cop of anything, it’s virtually impossible, because people (whether implicitly or explicitly) place a higher level of trust in the police. I get it, no one wants to have their confidence shaken in the system of law enforcement, but putting on a blue uniform does not make one a god. We need to find a way to break this mold and hold our police accountable as regular people.

Yep absolutely. I don’t know how we’ll do it either. You can’t talk about unethical let alone criminal cops without getting “Well you don’t want police.” And heaven forbid you’re an African-American trying to draw attention to that.

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:10:52am

re: #328 Belafon

This is a good representation of how much rain we’ve gotten here in the Metroplex over the last few days:

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Some parts of Ohio are getting hammered with rain the last few days and everything around the whole state is soggy since the ground has thawed and all the snow has melted. There is no where for it all to go, so many of the state’s rivers are already hitting flood stage or over and some parts of the state may get 3 to 5” of rain late today and overnight.

The Scioto, Muskingum and Miami Rivers are all going to be dumping a ton of water into the Ohio and it is already flooding at Cincinnati and back up to Maritta. And that means look out Louisville, Evansville…on down the line to the Mississippi.

With the changes in our weather patterns bringing more warmth and moisture the transition to spring in America gets more and more testy.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:14:36am

I like his painting of Gates.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:15:58am

re: #420 Anymouse 🌹

Lucian Wintrich blames “the left” for school shootings because “we hate church.”

Goes to Utah Outcasts, 15:13 of snark.

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Those radical Xtians don’t like L’il Gay Lucien!

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:16:02am

re: #466 ObserverArt

We had schools close in the area due to flooding. I’ve never seen that around here.

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:16:22am

re: #433 Anymouse 🌹

twink (twĭngk)
n. Slang
A young, attractive, usually slender or physically fit gay male.

thefreedictionary.com

Twinks are also pretty stupid, like bimbos; without their good looks, they’ve got nothing else.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:17:05am

FOX News regular is disappointing a whole lot of FOX News cultists

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:17:06am

re: #470 sagehen

Twinks are also pretty stupid, like bimbos; without their good looks, they’ve got nothing else.

So, when Fox goes gay…

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makeitstop  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:17:27am

Attention, Florida Lizards!

I’m flying into your neck of the woods this week with the Neil Diamond tribute, for a pair of shows.

Friday: Coral Springs Center for the Arts, 8:00
Saturday: SW Florida Event Center, Bonita Springs, 7:30 show

If any of you are in the area(s) and want to meet a fellow Lizard in the flesh and get your Neil on, hit me up. I’ll try to swing you some tickets.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:19:29am

h/t Balloon Juice

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:21:32am

re: #471 FormerDirtDart

FOX News regular is disappointing a whole lot of FOX News cultists

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I agree with him but how come he belittled liberals for years when they said that?

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:24:43am

re: #458 Anymouse 🌹

Paint them as a racist organisation. If the NRA stood by what it claimed (that a person in legal possession of a gun whose rights were violated), then Philando Castile’s family would have been defended by the NRA as he was a member.

Cannabis does not carry summary execution by the justice system. The NRA should have given the Castile family the benefit of a full-throated legal defence. So either:

a) that claim is BS and they are simply grifting, or
b) they are racists.

There is no doubt that the NRA members are deeply racist and white supremacists. They also use “Chicago” as a way to terrify their members because that supposedly shows how gun control doesn’t work.

The current Congress will not pass any meaningful gun control legislation. The only hope is November and a change in both Congress and the Senate.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:26:02am

re: #476 Hecuba’s daughter

There is no doubt that the NRA members are deeply racist and white supremacists. They also use “Chicago” as a way to terrify their members because that supposedly shows how gun control doesn’t work.

The current Congress will not pass any meaningful gun control legislation. The only hope is November and a change in both Congress and the Senate.

We’ll get some bills through the House and on the floor of the Senate, but, unless a whole lot of Republicans get scared, we won’t pass any in 2019 and 2020 either. But we need to keep up the pressure.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:26:36am

Veteran Facing Deportation Moved into Solitary Confinement Amid Ongoing Hunger Strike (goes to Stars and Stripes), more “Compassionate Conservatism” at the link:

A U.S. Army veteran who is in the third week of a hunger strike while he faces deportation has been moved to solitary confinement, prompting criticism from human rights advocates and U.S. Sen. Tammy Duckworth’s office.

Miguel Perez Jr., 39, served two tours in Afghanistan but was later convicted of felony drug charges and has been ordered deported to his native Mexico. While his attorneys and supporters, including Duckworth, work to keep him in the country, Perez has been held at the Kenosha County, Wis., detention center.

One of his supporters, Sara Walker, told the Tribune that Perez was moved into isolation and feels that authorities are violating his religious freedom. She said Perez called and said he was told to pack up his belongings as he was being immediately moved to segregation.

“What Miguel told us is, he was over in Afghanistan defending the country twice, dodging bullets,” Walker said. “He never thought he’d have to fight his home country after defending it twice.”

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:28:00am

re: #353 Belafon

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Just saw David Hogg on Morning Joy earlier. That young man is scary focused. He is taking the tact that what he and the students want is not political, so take your left/right blaming boilerplate and party talking points and stick ‘em. It is about guns, safety and sanity.

And he has those big eyes and isn’t afraid to use them. I noticed when he was not talking he was looking right at Joy the whole time. It seemed he was studying her for honesty and stance while she was talking to another student.

When he was wrapping up he was answering Joy about what he wants to see happen. He started talking to Joy and the minute he said we (the students and neveragainers) need you the voters to make this change in the voting booth he swung his head right at the camera and addressed America directly.

Those kids are media savvy beyond their years. The NRA and conservative gun supporters are in a real battle now.

Oh, yeah, Hogg also called out FedEx big time for supporting the NRA. He said something like “it is a business decision that America will be making.” I wonder how long before FedEx backs down?

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lawhawk  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:28:18am

re: #439 Targetpractice

If Ryan lifts the Hastert “rule”, we would see actual gun reform and meaningful improvements to the lives of millions.

The Hastert rule essentially means that we’ve got a tyranny of the minority - a majority of Congress might want a certain outcome, but a minority within the GOP want to control the outcomes so they prevent any action at all.

It’s the NRA strategy writ large.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:29:06am

re: #471 FormerDirtDart

FOX News regular is disappointing a whole lot of FOX News cultists

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Murdoch’s New York Post supported a renewal of the ban on assault weapons. Would this reflect Murdoch’s views or those of his sons? But I still don’t see this getting through today’s Congress

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:31:57am

re: #480 lawhawk

That should be renamed the Paedophile Rule, and referenced so every time it is brought up or used by the GOP.

The GOP uses the rules of paedophiles.

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:34:26am

re: #481 Hecuba’s daughter

Murdoch’s New York Post supported a renewal of the ban on assault weapons. Would this reflect Murdoch’s views or those of his sons? But I still don’t see this getting through today’s Congress

“You don’t have to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.”

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:34:31am

re: #480 lawhawk

Yup.
The GOP and NRA really are perfectly aligned and tyrannical.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:34:54am

re: #480 lawhawk

If Ryan lifts the Hastert “rule”, we would see actual gun reform and meaningful improvements to the lives of millions.

The Hastert rule essentially means that we’ve got a tyranny of the minority - a majority of Congress might want a certain outcome, but a minority within the GOP want to control the outcomes so they prevent any action at all.

It’s the NRA strategy writ large.

The Hastert “rule” — implemented by a pedophile.

But even ignoring Hastert, thanks to gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the Constitution (think Electoral College and the Senate) our government is a tyranny of the minority.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:36:03am

I’m not impressed with who they’re backing but this is funny:

Facebook Post

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:37:42am

re: #485 Hecuba’s daughter

The Hastert “rule” — implemented by a pedophile.

But even ignoring Hastert, thanks to gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the Constitution (think Electoral College and the Senate) our government is a tyranny of the minority.

The way the Constitution laid things out actually isn’t bad. We don’t want to go too far and have a tyranny of the majority, either. The problem is with all the other things you mentioned - the gerrymandering and voter suppression have exacerbated the imperfections in our Constitutional protection of minority rights, resulting in the establishment of a de facto plutocracy.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:38:17am

Boycott coverage stretching out to the entertainment trade zine.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:39:05am

re: #473 makeitstop

I wish!

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:39:58am

re: #389 lawhawk

Podhoretz seems to ignore or not know that most gun purchases include free memberships in the NRA, which inflates their membership numbers significantly.

I don’t know how to take Podhoretz. Everytime I see him I get confused by what the hell is he actually saying. He can start off a statement as a criticism and end up excusing it all saying it is just politics. Next time he chides people aren’t realizing everything is politics and then criticizes a politician for the politics.

What do other LGFers think of him???

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:40:32am

It snowed last night, I’m cold, the sun is up, it’s time for me to go to bed.

Catch y’all later, ya poor devils.

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gwangung  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:42:04am

re: #403 Decatur Deb

Dems have to work very hard to defeat despair, apathy, and disenfranchisement in the AA electorate. There is no demographic slice of the left coalition that can be neglected or dispensed-with.

Something that’d take little work…take one or two proposals from the black and POC community and make it a priority. DON’T back burner their concerns.

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:43:20am

re: #391 Targetpractice

It’s like I said, there’s no way even Donny’s half-assed gun control “ideas” are going anywhere in this Congress:

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Apparently the GOP “compromise” now is just “shoring up” the very background system that the NRA actively works to undermine every other waking moment.

That image is fun. Look at the expression on Cruz’s face. It’s like all of the bullshit he spewed earlier didn’t quite make it out of his mouth and he is considering the residue.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:43:44am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:43:50am

re: #366 lawhawk

Mueller is going all Darth Vader on Manafort.

Take the deal.

Manafort: ummm…

Mueller: I have altered the deal, pray I don’t alter it further (new and more serious charges).

Manafort: ummm.

Didn’t someone on an earlier thread explain that Manafort will never cooperate because it would be a literal death sentence, courtesy of Putin?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:44:17am

re: #494 Stanley Sea

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That’s going to leave a mark.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:46:34am

re: #494 Stanley Sea

Dayum! Last I’d heard, late last night, was that they both were trying to claim some ‘routine business’ exception. People were calling bullshit.
Good to see them step up.

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:50:50am

re: #492 gwangung

Something that’d take little work…take one or two proposals from the black and POC community and make it a priority. DON’T back burner their concerns.

Voter suppression is their main concern. Voter ID, number of hours of early voting, felon disenfranchisement, and related matters.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:57:17am

re: #407 Eventual Carrion

Or just win it at a GOP campaign raffle.

Or win it at a church raffle and have your Pulpit Pimp Preacher bless it in the name of Jay-Zuss!

patheos.com

What’s the best way for a church to respond to last week’s mass shooting in Las Vegas, which killed 58 and injured hundreds more? For the Oasis Church of All Nations in Oxford, Mississippi, the answer was obvious: Raffle off two AR-15 rifles. That would be one of several weapons found in the hotel room of the shooter.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:58:09am

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:58:42am

re: #500 GlutenFreeJesus

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Please tell me that’s satire.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:59:03am

re: #501 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

lol It is…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 8:59:30am

re: #502 GlutenFreeJesus

lol It is…

It’s sad that I even have to ask.

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:00:04am

re: #408 Anymouse 🌹

The National Rifle Association itself claims a membership of about three million people. That’s less than one percent of the US populace. If you only count those of voting age, that number is somewhere around two percent.

With all those businesses bailing out now with the press from the Parkland teenagers and their friends and fellow survivors all around the country, the NRA is in real trouble. They cannot seize the message, and they’re lashing out.

They currently claim 5 million…but your point stands.

I mentioned this the other day. How can so many politicians be so in bed with a lobby group that represents so few??? And some claim that overall it isn’t really all about the money. So what is it?

I’m thinking it is a smoke and mirrors organization that also has the loudest membership ever and a controlling body that makes scary noises that politicians fear more than staring down the barrel of an NRA gun.

Not only are they getting beat badly about the head by the students…we may be learning they are nothing more than a fake facade of the gun industry and Wayne LaPierre is the “Great Wizard” hiding behind the curtains of the Big Scare Machine they have created.

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jaunte  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:03:32am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:03:38am

Griffith student charged with accidentally bringing loaded gun inside high school

You don’t “accidentally” bring a gun anywhere. It’s negligence or malice.

Indiana’s gun laws are much too loose.

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stpaulbear  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:04:20am

re: #488 JordanRules

I want to send Amazon an email telling them I’m not going to make any more purchases from them until they disconnect from NRA TV but I can’t find any kind of link to ‘contact us’. If it even exists, it’s very well hidden. I don’t want to ‘friend’ them on Facebook, and you couldn’t pay me to open a Twitter account.

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stpaulbear  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:04:30am
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The Major  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:05:45am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:06:18am

re: #509 The Major

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I’m sure they’ll miss you Joe.//

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jaunte  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:06:40am

re: #509 The Major

Joe Walsh will no longer be flying anywhere from Chicago.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:08:26am

re: #506 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Griffith student charged with accidentally bringing loaded gun inside high school

You don’t “accidentally” bring a gun anywhere. It’s negligence or malice.

Indiana’s gun laws are much too loose.

I want to know why an 18 year old needs a conceal carry permit. That age should be at least 24.

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nines09  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:11:01am

re: #507 stpaulbear

jeff@amazon.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:11:18am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:11:50am

re: #512 GlutenFreeJesus

I want to know why an 18 year old needs a conceal carry permit. That age should be at least 24.

Maybe he’s a drug dealer, or maybe his family is just insane for guns.

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gwangung  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:13:39am

re: #498 sagehen

Voter suppression is their main concern. Voter ID, number of hours of early voting, felon disenfranchisement, and related matters.

Yup. A damn simple measure.

There are lots of other things that can be done, too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:14:05am

re: #504 ObserverArt

They currently claim 5 million…but you point stands.

I mentioned this the other day. How can so many politicians be so in bed with a lobby group that represents so few??? And some claim that overall it isn’t really all about the money. So what is it?

I’m thinking it is a smoke and mirrors organization that also has the loudest membership ever and a controlling body that makes scary noises that politicians fear more than staring down the barrel of an NRA gun.

Not only are they getting beat badly about the head by the students…we may be learning they are nothing more than a fake facade of the gun industry and Wayne LaPierre is the “Great Wizard” hiding behind the curtains of the Big Scare Machine they have created.

They are vocal and they vote. It doesn’t matter if they represent a small minority — but if their membership call their Congressthings on a frequent basis, make personal contributions, and write regularly, they will be heard. They are aware of every piece of legislation that affects guns, and they motivate their members to respond. And their most vocal members are single issue voters. When someone only hears from one side of an issue, that person will react accordingly.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:14:30am

Fast Fact HT NPR
Again, tracks with the decline of the right in terms of sensible policy goals.

The hard-liners took over the NRA after an NRA member was killed by federal agents.
In 1971, agents of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms killed an NRA member who was hiding a large number of illegal weapons. This, too, stirred a restive reaction within the NRA rank and file. To address it, the NRA’s top managers created the group’s first lobbying organ, the Institute for Legislative Action, in 1975.
The ILA was headed by a Texas lawyer named Harlon Carter, an immigration hawk who had headed of the Border Patrol in the 1950s.
“You don’t stop crime by attacking guns,” he said. “You stop crime by stopping criminals.”…
…In the end, Carter won, ascending to NRA’s de facto leadership as its executive vice president. He installed another hard-liner, Neal Knox, to head the ILA. The new marching orders were to oppose all forms of gun control across the board and lobby aggressively for gun owners’ rights in Congress and the legislatures.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:14:55am

re: #513 nines09

jeff@amazon.com

Yup, thank you! You can also call [no phone numbers allowed].

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:15:33am

re: #519 JordanRules

Oops! Forgot you can’t post phone#s.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:18:56am

re: #520 JordanRules

Oops! Forgot you can’t post phone#s.

You can separate the numbers or post them as words… always keeping in mind that Charles had a reason for banning telephone numbers in general.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:19:25am

Oh. And good morning.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:19:36am
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Jay C  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:20:45am

re: #504 ObserverArt

They currently claim 5 million…but you point stands.

I mentioned this the other day. How can so many politicians be so in bed with a lobby group that represents so few??? And some claim that overall it isn’t really all about the money. So what is it?

I’m thinking it is a smoke and mirrors organization that also has the loudest membership ever and a controlling body that makes scary noises that politicians fear more than staring down the barrel of an NRA gun.

Not only are they getting beat badly about the head by the students…we may be learning they are nothing more than a fake facade of the gun industry and Wayne LaPierre is the “Great Wizard” hiding behind the curtains of the Big Scare Machine they have created.

I think you’re right here, and fervently hope you are: if something positive has to come out of the Parkland tragedy, puncturing a few holes in the NRA’s self-generated image as an Unstoppable Invincible Lobby is a good one as any. That the NRA is, to a large extent, a “fake facade of the gun industry” has been known for years, despite all the star-spangled “patriotic” hoopla they wrap their advocacy in.They may not be entirely a paper tiger, but they ARE a well-financed one: their Achilles heel, though is that, big as they are, they can’t bankroll everybody : well, not every Republican, anyway: like most leveraged entities (say, a Trump RE deal), they can get away with a lot of crap as long as the facade holds up: but once it starts to crumble….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:21:25am

re: #490 ObserverArt

I don’t know how to take Podhoretz. Everytime I see him I get confused by what the hell is he actually saying. He can start off a statement as a criticism and end up excusing it all saying it is just politics. Next time he chides people aren’t realizing everything is politics and then criticizes a politician for the politics.

What do other LGFers think of him???

His dad, Norman Podhoretz, was a member of the old Socialist Party in New York. He was in the Shactman wing of the party (Max Shactman, one of the founders of the Socialist Workers Party who turned hard core Cold Warrior Anti-Communist). Norman Podhoretz kept moving farther to the right and he became the nucleus of the neoconservative movement, turning Commentary Magazine into the main engine spreading their views. Reagan embraced him and absorbed him into the Republican Party along with the rest of the SDUSA leadership.

The only reason John isn’t trying to master the meat slicer at an Arby’s is because Daddy made sure he would get all that sweet wingnut welfare flowing his way. Johnnyboy inherited Commentary and now continues to turn out the same old bullshit month after month.

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nines09  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:22:32am

re: #519 JordanRules

Yup, thank you! You can also call [no phone numbers allowed].

I was on twitter yesterday and that came up in a thread about letting Jeff know how you feel about the NRA. I did. Told him they had turned into something. A bad something. All he had to do was look at it. Now do something.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:23:49am

Gosh, I’m calling that Amazon number and just getting a recording.

I wonder why…

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:25:44am

re: #504 ObserverArt

Well the sheer amount of political donated money plus all the amicus briefs, friend of the court letters puts them in all 3 branches lobbying away. Now what with having said that, should this Russian money connection prove out on top of the optics of Wayne LaPierre attacking gun victims they are pretty screwed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:27:24am

I saw a post on FB, on George Takei’s feed, about a ‘Women of Color Only’ retreat in Costa Rica, and it mentioned that, of course, there was the expected bitching about it being sexist and racist.

My thought? How nice must it be to spend even a few days not having to be black in white America, and a woman in a man’s world. Some place where nobody’s going to touch your hair without asking, or look at you and assume you grew up poor. Where you don’t have to balance every interaction with a man between being pleasant and appearing to invite a relationship. Being yourself without having to be somebody else’s vision of who you should be, or not be someone’s vision of who you must be.

We who are the ‘Default’ have a difficult time imagining what it must be like not to be the Default.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:27:47am

re: #526 nines09

So true! Just start to watch Jeff and you will soon see.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:28:59am

re: #514 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Like I said, the ammosexuals totally have themselves convinced that this is a temporary state of affairs. That while this flare-up is getting more coverage, they weathered Newtown and they’ll weather this. The public will eventually “get over it” and “move on,” leaving the NRA’s influence intact and its membership still inviting to these companies. So that, once the sound and fury has died back down, these companies will come slinking back to get a piece of the pie.

Hell, I’d be willing to bet that the crazier fuckers in the NRA think they’ll actually benefit from all this, that the “anti-gun lobby” will overplay their hand. It’s why they’re not making as big a fuss against Trump, because they know he doesn’t expect to get any of his proposals through Congress. But by putting them out there, they can expect a lot of ink about how the GOP looks “sane” now.

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dangerman  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:30:10am

re: #391 Targetpractice

It’s like I said, there’s no way even Donny’s half-assed gun control “ideas” are going anywhere in this Congress:

JUST IN: Sen. John Cornyn, the second-ranking GOP senator, says President Trump’s proposal to raise the age limit to 21 to buy a rifle may not save lives and may not pass the Senate

Apparently the GOP “compromise” now is just “shoring up” the very background system that the NRA actively works to undermine every other waking moment.

They speak like these are facts
As if they can predict the future with certainty
that way we don’t have to actually do anything

Why not try and see?

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:31:49am

re: #529 Blind Frog Belly White

Sounds like glorious self-care!

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gwangung  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:33:09am

re: #533 JordanRules

Sounds like glorious self-care!

Yes. It is.

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:33:29am

re: #517 Hecuba’s daughter

They are vocal and they vote. It doesn’t matter if they represent a small minority — but if their membership call their Congressthings on a frequent basis, make personal contributions, and write regularly, they will be heard. They are aware of every piece of legislation that affects guns, and they motivate their members to respond. And their most vocal members are single issue voters. When someone only hears from one side of an issue, that person will react accordingly.

No doubt. But everyone else, the vast majority numbers of this country, allowed all of America’s politicians and media to buy into the thinking the NRA can’t be defeated politically and no politician risks taking them on. That has literally been in the political playbook since the 80s.

Well, they can be defeated. The non-politician kids are showing everyone the NRA isn’t as big and badass as everyone has let them be for too long.

It is refreshing. The students in Florida are now teaching politics. To all of America. The NRA is the first lesson.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:33:47am

Scrolling through the posts that accumulated last night, I saw a bunch of posts about Curling. The US having now won gold, I imagine there’ll be Curling Scholarships in major Universities, and in a few years, enormous stadia built at taxpayer expense in every metro area.
///

Kidding, of course, but I note that interest in more obscure sports tends to skyrocket in America when an American or an American team starts winning. e.g. UCI cycling and Greg LeMond.

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CarolJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:33:59am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

Its as if middle class or suburban black people don’t exist.

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stpaulbear  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:36:33am

re: #513 nines09

jeff@amazon.com

Thanks. I just hit ‘send”.

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jaunte  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:36:53am
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Stanley Sea  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:38:52am

re: #529 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw a post on FB, on George Takei’s feed, about a ‘Women of Color Only’ retreat in Costa Rica, and it mentioned that, of course, there was the expected bitching about it being sexist and racist.

My thought? How nice must it be to spend even a few days not having to be black in white America, and a woman in a man’s world. Some place where nobody’s going to touch your hair without asking, or look at you and assume you grew up poor. Where you don’t have to balance every interaction with a man between being pleasant and appearing to invite a relationship. Being yourself without having to be somebody else’s vision of who you should be, or not be someone’s vision of who you must be.

We who are the ‘Default’ have a difficult time imagining what it must be like not to be the Default.

Makes me think of the black ladies kicked off the wine train in Napa.

They didn’t fit the clientele. Hope their lawsuit is progressing or they settled for bank.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:44:29am

re: #537 CarolJ

Its as if middle class or suburban black people don’t exist.

Seriously. Take the ‘Democratic Plantation’ idea that so many on the Right espouse. I discussed this extensively with a friend of my wingnut cousin on FB. He said that Democrats had made black people dependent on government handouts, and that’s why 90+% of black voters vote Democratic.

I pointed out that most black people never receive any of the ‘Free Stuff’ that supposedly buys their votes, and that the same ‘Free Stuff’ was available to every citizen, based on income and circumstances, not race. He didn’t have an answer for that. Of course, he lives in one of the, if not THE whitest state in America, in a town of 3000 with maybe 10 black people in the whole town.

There’s also Trump’s “What the hell do you have to lose?” line, which as much as says that all blacks live in gun and drug infested ghettos, living on welfare and foodstamps. This ‘appeal to blacks’ wasn’t an appeal to blacks at all, of course. It was an appeal to white ideas of who blacks are, how they live, what they want.

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MsJ  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:47:11am
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nines09  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:48:04am

re: #538 stpaulbear

You are welcome. Just dropped in and saw that. I’m off to a gymnastics meet.
Have a good day all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:48:09am

re: #540 Stanley Sea

Makes me think of the black ladies kicked off the wine train in Napa.

They didn’t fit the clientele. Hope their lawsuit is progressing or they settled for bank.

“Settled amicably”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:50:06am

I’m logging off for an hour on this rainy NYC day to get some writing done. Wish me luch and see you soon. Keep up the fight.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:53:26am

Gotta love it. Just reading through tweets concerning the boycotts, the wingnut argument is (seriously) “Why are you going after the NRA and not the cops?!”

From the same geniuses who thought smashing the coffee makers would “stiggit” to a company for pulling advertising from Sean Hannity.

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:53:49am

re: #517 Hecuba’s daughter

They are vocal and they vote. It doesn’t matter if they represent a small minority — but if their membership call their Congressthings on a frequent basis, make personal contributions, and write regularly, they will be heard. They are aware of every piece of legislation that affects guns, and they motivate their members to respond. And their most vocal members are single issue voters. When someone only hears from one side of an issue, that person will react accordingly.

It’s not even about the voters, really — the NRA’s money doesn’t come from their regular people members, it’s from the manufacturers. Tons of money. Which translates into tons of lobbyists, and tons of donations.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:57:20am

Oh, there’s video now!
Uh this guy doesn’t exactly look the part either. Wow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:58:48am

Funny note on Trumps Parade Plans: Veterans Day is 5 days after the 2018 Midterms.

He’s going to look like more of a fucking idiot than he already does having an ego stroking parade days after the GOP gets spanked around by the voters.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:02:43am

re: #548 JordanRules

Oh, there’s video now!
Uh this guy doesn’t exactly look the part either. Wow.

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Dude’s telling the truth, as ugly as it is. Conservatives wanted to say that they have a black guy too.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:03:26am

re: #549 Eclectic Cyborg

Funny note on Trumps Parade Plans: Veterans Day is 5 days after the 2018 Midterms.

He’s going to look like more of a fucking idiot than he already does having an ego stroking parade days after the GOP gets spanked around by the voters.

There’s also a truly odious note as well: Nov 11th, 2018 will mark the 100th anniversary of the end of WWI. It very likely will be the first Veterans Day where there will be no surviving veterans of that awful war to honor. It should be a day of global quiet and reflection, focusing on the sacrifice of those who fought in that dreadful conflict.

But in America, we have a 5 time draft dodger who wants a big parade in his honor instead.

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:03:53am

re: #536 Blind Frog Belly White

Scrolling through the posts that accumulated last night, I saw a bunch of posts about Curling. The US having now won gold, I imagine there’ll be Curling Scholarships in major Universities, and in a few years, enormous stadia built at taxpayer expense in every metro area.
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Kidding, of course, but I note that interest in more obscure sports tends to skyrocket in America when an American or an American team starts winning. e.g. UCI cycling and Greg LeMond.

Women’s soccer.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:04:49am

re: #550 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Dude’s telling the truth, as ugly as it is. Conservatives wanted to say that they have a black guy too.

The thing is he thinks he’s being bold and admitting what liberals won’t regarding Obama. I didn’t vote for Obama over McCain and Romney because he was black, I voted for him over McCain because I preferred his vision and then I voted for him over Mitt because I thought he did a good job.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:05:27am

re: #551 Targetpractice

There’s also a truly odious note as well: Nov 11th, 2018 will mark the 100th anniversary of the end of WWI. It very likely will be the first Veterans Day where there will be no surviving veterans of that awful war to honor. It should be a day of global quiet and reflection, focusing on the sacrifice of those who fought in that dreadful conflict.

But in America, we have a 5 time draft dodger who wants a big parade in his honor instead.

That’s a good point too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:07:13am

re: #553 HappyWarrior

The thing is he thinks he’s being bold and admitting what liberals won’t regarding Obama. I didn’t vote for Obama over McCain and Romney because he was black, I voted for him over McCain because I preferred his vision and then I voted for him over Mitt because I thought he did a good job.

In their minds, minorities are fungible. Hence, hiring Michael Steele should have negated the Democratic advantage with blacks, and Sarah Palin should have negated the Democratic advantage with women.

When that didn’t work, they decided to just fall back on racism and sexism, since tokenism clearly wasn’t working.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:07:30am

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stpaulbear  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:08:57am

re: #542 MsJ

He forgot “CNN loves dead children”.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:09:00am

re: #556 A Mom Anon

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:10:14am

re: #551 Targetpractice

There’s also a truly odious note as well: Nov 11th, 2018 will mark the 100th anniversary of the end of WWI. It very likely will be the first Veterans Day where there will be no surviving veterans of that awful war to honor. It should be a day of global quiet and reflection, focusing on the sacrifice of those who fought in that dreadful conflict.

But in America, we have a 5 time draft dodger who wants a big parade in his honor instead.

The end of a dreadful war caused by militarism should not be celebrated with a big display of militarism.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:10:40am

re: #550 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

No doubt. And as I said last night, it wasn’t really a secret why they hired him. And I have no illusions about why they discarded him and said that hiring the black guy was wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:11:40am

re: #559 Blind Frog Belly White

The end of a dreadful war caused by militarism should not be celebrated with a big display of militarism.

I’d be shocked if Trump knew it was the centennial or anything about WWI.

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TedStriker  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:12:32am

re: #495 Hecuba’s daughter

Didn’t someone on an earlier thread explain that Manafort will never cooperate because it would be a literal death sentence, courtesy of Putin?

Manafort’s screwed any way he looks at it; he either runs a greater-than-zero chance of being liquidated by Putin’s hit squad or he dies in federal prison.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:12:49am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

I’d be shocked if Trump knew it was the centennial or anything about WWI.

Exactly. Fucker doesn’t give a shit about anything that doesn’t involve him.

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:13:41am

re: #550 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Dude’s telling the truth, as ugly as it is. Conservatives wanted to say that they have a black guy too.

I remember Rachel Maddow and Melissa Harris-Perry laughing about exactly that at the time… “it’s like OMG, what to do, we need a black guy too!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:15:40am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

I’d be shocked if Trump knew it was the centennial or anything about WWI.

“WWI? Oh, yeah with the trenches and Pershing. Pershing was a tough guy, believe me. You know what he did to the Muslims in the Philippines?….”

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:15:52am

If the last week has demonstrated anything, it’s that “Blue Lives Matter” is an utter farce. That when the choice is between supporting cops or supporting gun companies, wingnuts would prefer to see the cops dead before they see a single barrier put up between them and their next penis extension purchase.

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stpaulbear  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:16:26am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

I’d be shocked if Trump knew it was the centennial or anything about WWI.

He probably doesn’t know what Armistice Day is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:17:04am

re: #566 Targetpractice

If the last week has demonstrated anything, it’s that “Blue Lives Matter” is an utter farce. That when the choice is between supporting cops or supporting gun companies, wingnuts would prefer to see the cops dead before they see a single barrier put up between them and their next penis extension purchase.

Blue Lives only matter as a club against Black Lives Matter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:17:54am

re: #567 stpaulbear

He probably doesn’t know what Armistice Day is.

Armistice is a 3-syllable word, so I’d bet real money he doesn’t even know what the word means.

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makeitstop  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:18:44am

re: #524 Jay C

I think you’re right here, and fervently hope you are: if something positive has to come out of the Parkland tragedy, puncturing a few holes in the NRA’s self-generated image as an Unstoppable Invincible Lobby is a good one as any. That the NRA is, to a large extent, a “fake facade of the gun industry” has been known for years, despite all the star-spangled “patriotic” hoopla they wrap their advocacy in.They may not be entirely a paper tiger, but they ARE a well-financed one: their Achilles heel, though is that, big as they are, they can’t bankroll everybody : well, not every Republican, anyway: like most leveraged entities (say, a Trump RE deal), they can get away with a lot of crap as long as the facade holds up: but once it starts to crumble….

And these corporate sponsors backing out (if they hold to it) is going to put a dent in their bankroll. If I understand it right, they were getting a piece of every transaction made with those NRA credit cards.

Might not bring them down, but it’ll make them bleed a little.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:18:53am

re: #568 Blind Frog Belly White

Blue Lives only matter as a club against Black Lives Matter.

Ayep. The same Sheriff’s deputy they want to roast in Hell for being a “coward” would be getting top-level defense if he’d gunned down a black man without a moment’s hesitation because he was “scared.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:20:37am

re: #569 Blind Frog Belly White

Armistice is a 3-syllable word, so I’d bet real money he doesn’t even know what the word means.

“It’s a day where we honor the veterans of past wars and those men still serving right now. A time of quiet reflection and remembrance of those who fought for us.”

“…So wouldn’t the best way to do that be a big parade in my honor through the streets of DC?”

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:21:11am

re: #556 A Mom Anon

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SteelPH  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:22:34am

re: #556 A Mom Anon

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:22:44am

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:23:42am
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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:24:44am

re: #567 stpaulbear

He probably doesn’t know what Armistice Day is.

Sure, it’s when you go out and plant a tree or something, right?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:26:36am

re: #576 JordanRules

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I’m white and I’m tired of white people especially white conservatives using her father to attack current activists who stand for the same thing he did.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:27:13am

You’ll have images on the TV of people in London quietly bringing their days to a halt as the bells toll, people in France stopping everything to observe a moment of silence, people in Canada and Australia putting their lives to a stop for a moment…

And in the US, we’ll have tanks and missiles rolling down Penn. Ave with Biggus Dickus grinning like a fucking idiot over all it.

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:27:47am

re: #576 JordanRules

Be A King ✔
@BerniceKing
Someone tweeted to me that my father “didn’t offend people.” At the time Daddy was killed, a poll reflected that he was the most hated man in America. Most hated. Many who quote him now & use him to deter justice would likely hate him too if they truly studied #MLK. #MLK50Forward

1:18 PM - Feb 24, 2018

That is the damned Truth!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:28:34am

re: #556 A Mom Anon

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:28:54am

re: #564 sagehen

I remember Rachel Maddow and Melissa Harris-Perry laughing about exactly that at the time… “it’s like OMG, what to do, we need a black guy too!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:29:47am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

I’m white and I’m tired of white people especially white conservatives using her father to attack current activists who stand for the same thing he did.

“Martin Luther King stood for asking white folks nicely for equality!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:30:02am

re: #568 Blind Frog Belly White

Blue Lives only matter as a club against Black Lives Matter.

Gun lives matter?

The thin black line?

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:31:55am

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HappyWarrior  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:33:08am

re: #583 Blind Frog Belly White

“Martin Luther King stood for asking white folks nicely for equality!”

TBH it makes me appreciate Jesse Helms since he never had a pretense of respecting MLK or his legacy.

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JordanRules  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:34:34am

Whoa.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:37:54am

{{{AMomAnon}}}

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:42:51am

re: #587 JordanRules

Whoa.

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Fuck Mark Zuckerberg and his company for all this shady shit.

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The Major  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:47:28am

Add Delta Airlines to the “NRA is Toxic” list:

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:48:09am

re: #587 JordanRules

Whoa.

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Of course, the MSM gave Trump billions of free advertising on TV. That is a true outrage:a candidate who tries to provide thoughtful solutions is punished by the WWE model of news. What is wrong with this country?

There is no way that FB can ever repay this country for the damage it helped inflict on it.

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stpaulbear  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:48:39am

I use Facebook to keep up with some friends and family, but I rarely post (and I think that maybe 20% of my posts this year have been about how much Facebook sucks). I’d really like to do something to fuck over Mark Zuckenberg, but quitting Facebook isn’t going to cost him anything. Nobody at Facebook would even notice unless (until) millions of people quit at the same time.

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Interesting Times  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:48:54am

Holy living fuck on a plutonium-powered pogo stick:

Facebook Post

Of course my first thought upon reading that was, is it actually real and, if so, still on Twitter at this moment? Have three guesses as to the answer -_-

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The Major  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:49:03am

re: #589 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck Mark Zuckerberg and his company for all this shady shit.

That is one reason why I refuse to use Facebook -to them, you are the product. They are 1000 times worse than Acxiom…..

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ObserverArt  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:50:33am

re: #589 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck Mark Zuckerberg and his company for all this shady shit.

I’m liking him less and less. And I have never really liked him. I hope he figures out he has nothing to offer as a politician.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:51:06am

re: #593 Interesting Times

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:52:02am

I can’t leave FB for now — it’s the only media for keeping up with family and friends. Switching doesn’t accomplish anything unless everyone in my group switches to the same platform simultaneously. FB can be saved — but its management has to rethink its entire operation.

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Interesting Times  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:53:01am

re: #592 stpaulbear

I use Facebook to keep up with some friends and family, but I rarely post (and I think that maybe 20% of my posts this year have been about how much Facebook sucks). I’d really like to do something to fuck over Mark Zuckenberg, but quitting Facebook isn’t going to cost him anything.

I’m in the same boat. So until a better option comes along, I’m protesting passive-aggressively by using ad blocker uBlock Origin (can’t be influenced by Russian bot ads if I don’t see them *insert guy tapping on forehead gif*) and also the FB Purity browser plugin.

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stpaulbear  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:53:08am

re: #594 The Major

That is one reason why I refuse to use Facebook -to them, you are the product. They are 1000 times worse than Acxiom…..

Twitter is just as bad as Facebook.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:55:38am

re: #593 Interesting Times

Holy living fuck on a plutonium-powered pogo stick:

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OMG — it’s hard to believe that she is that stupid. Malicious - yes. Evil - yes. But what kind of idiot is she? Maybe the NRA has decided that David Duke is the future of their product.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:57:14am

re: #600 Hecuba’s daughter

OMG — it’s hard to believe that she is that stupid. Malicious - yes. Evil - yes. But what kind of idiot is she? Maybe the NRA has decided that David Duke is the future of their product.

It’s a joke/she was hacked/the intern has been sacked/don’t you understand sarcasm?

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William Lewis  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:57:53am

re: #556 A Mom Anon

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:01:09am

re: #511 jaunte

Joe Walsh will no longer be flying anywhere from Chicago.

He can always ride Amtrak…until they throw his Deadbeat Daddy Ass off the train!

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Interesting Times  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:01:29am

re: #601 Decatur Deb

It’s a joke/she was hacked/the intern has been sacked/don’t you understand sarcasm?

Exactly. If you click through to the tweet, you’ll see her husband trying to do damage control by claiming she was actually condemning antisemitism (since Rick Sanchez was fired for making anti-Semitic remarks himself). I’m not sure if that makes it better, however, especially since Rick Sanchez now works for…drumroll…Fox News.

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Belafon  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:01:34am

re: #585 sagehen

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Yep. We’ve let lots of people down. Hopefully, these kids will do better.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:02:07am

re: #600 Hecuba’s daughter

OMG — it’s hard to believe that she is that stupid. Malicious - yes. Evil - yes. But what kind of idiot is she? Maybe the NRA has decided that David Duke is the future of their product.

I went online (Google is your friend!!); apparently, this particular quote was from 2010 and was actually snarky — and not really anti-Semitic.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:04:00am

re: #604 Interesting Times

Exactly. If you click through to the tweet, you’ll see her husband trying to do damage control by claiming she was actually condemning antisemitism (since Rick Sanchez was fired for making anti-Semitic remarks himself). I’m not sure if that makes it better, however, especially since Rick Sanchez now works for…drumroll…Fox News.

Don’t you hate it when you say something provocative and it turns out to be largely descriptive?

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Interesting Times  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:04:55am

re: #606 Hecuba’s daughter

I went online (Google is your friend!!); apparently, this particular quote was from 2010 and was actually snarky — and not really anti-Semitic.

Yes, I saw that argument being made by her husband when I clicked through to the tweet. However, when you consider how Dana and the rest of her right-wing ilk (*cough* James O’Keefe *cough*) engage in far worse taking quotes out-of-context to the point of outright lying, it’s hard not to see this as a “what goes around, comes around” sort of thing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:05:05am

re: #600 Hecuba’s daughter

OMG — it’s hard to believe that she is that stupid. Malicious - yes. Evil - yes. But what kind of idiot is she? Maybe the NRA has decided that David Duke is the future of their product.

What kind of idiot is Dana? Hey, she’s a charter member of the Billy Graham Cracker Anti-Semitic Society—The A.S.S.!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:06:19am

re: #593 Interesting Times

Holy living fuck on a plutonium-powered pogo stick:

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Okay, looking into this a bit, Rick Sanchez was fired from CNN for making antisemitic remarks - e.g. “And to imply that somehow they, the people in this country who are Jewish, are an oppressed minority?”

Dana was actually suggesting Karma was shitting on Sanchez for his antisemitic remarks.

Now, whether her remark was also antisemitic (“Jews control the media!”), I’m not sure. But it’s not quite what it appears to be.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:08:32am

re: #607 Decatur Deb

Don’t you hate it when you say something provocative and it turns out to be largely descriptive?

You mean like calling Dana Loesch a Harpy, as I did the other day, and then she sprouts wings and flies off to torture someone?
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:10:23am

re: #606 Hecuba’s daughter

I went online (Google is your friend!!); apparently, this particular quote was from 2010 and was actually snarky — and not really anti-Semitic.

It was a joke!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:11:37am

re: #611 Blind Frog Belly White

You mean like calling Dana Loesch a Harpy, as I did the other day, and then she sprouts wings and flies off to torture someone?
///

She’ll settle down when she gets her latest Hitachi Magic Wand.

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meteor  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:19:50am

Watford 1 - Everton 0. Now final.

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jaunte  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:22:16am
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jaunte  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:24:14am
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CleverToad  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:27:11am

re: #556 A Mom Anon

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:31:33am

re: #597 Hecuba’s daughter

I can’t leave FB for now — it’s the only media for keeping up with family and friends. Switching doesn’t accomplish anything unless everyone in my group switches to the same platform simultaneously. FB can be saved — but its management has to rethink its entire operation.

Positive FB story and includes positive outcome to a gun argument!

I posted on guns last week. Was arguing with my friend 300 miles away. Another commenter with the same last name pops up. Argument goes on overnight, both hitting me hard but my liberal posse beating up on both.

My friend PMs me the next morning, “Thank you. This is the first time my estranged son and I have been in the same conversation for sixteen years. Now we are talking to each other again.”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:34:01am

jesus christ these idiots

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:34:36am
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DodgerFan1988  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:39:27am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:40:48am

re: #620 Stanley Sea

jesus christ these idiots
To raise money for an initiative to keep teens safe from drunk driving on graduation night, a Louisiana group is raffling off 30 guns, including two AR-15s.

Best numbers I can find for prom weekend teenage fatalities puts it at about 300 per season. Perhaps these people are just data-driven risk managers.

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:44:45am

re: #620 Stanley Sea

jesus christ these idiots

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:47:14am

re: #620 Stanley Sea

Hey, didja notice the school’s name? “Bowling Green”. Maybe Kelleyanne Conway was being prescient, talking about the Bowling Green Massacre.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:48:18am

re: #623 Decatur Deb

Best numbers I can find for prom weekend teenage fatalities puts it at about 300 per season. Perhaps these people are just data-driven risk managers.

Now subtract the numbers for spring weekends surrounding Prom Weekend.

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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:48:27am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:52:54am

re: #626 Blind Frog Belly White

Now subtract the numbers for spring weekends surrounding Prom Weekend.

Because the prom season is not precise, the stats (CDC, IIRC) were drawn from a 4-week period, about as representative as a grab sample is going to get.

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Archangelus  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:54:15am
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sagehen  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:57:50am
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Varek Raith  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:00:20pm

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE TIDE PODS?!

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wrenchwench  Feb 24, 2018 • 12:09:45pm

re: #631 Varek Raith

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE TIDE PODS?!

Sure beats what they’re eating on the next thread. The koalas.

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The Major  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:29:11pm

re: #624 sagehen

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Feb 24, 2018 • 1:47:19pm

re: #633 The Major

Umm…that’s sarcasm,

Major.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 24, 2018 • 2:43:08pm

re: #357 MsJ

I’m watching my recording of the gold medal curling game and the CBC keeps showing Ivanka, Sanders, et al every fucking shot. Like they are the only fans there.

I want to hurl.

hurling is a different sport.

(yes…I know I’m way late on a very dead thread but it had to be said…)


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