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1
Kilroy was here  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:37:00pm

Trump is the nation’s “Crisis Actor in Chief”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:43:47pm

Tommy is just fun to watch and listen to. Came across this on youtube earlier:

Toto’s Africa performed by Andy McKee and Tommy Emmanuel

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whitebeach  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:46:37pm

Jimi, in heaven or wherever, is layin back with some smoke and mescaline and saying, “Fuck yeah, that’s a way to do it.”

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meteor  Feb 24, 2018 • 9:47:59pm

Germany 1 - OAR 1, men’s ice hockey.

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:22:05pm

3-2 Germany, now. C’mon Germany, beat the dopers!

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:24:00pm

And the Germans are on a power play until the last few seconds of the match.

Heh, heh.

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The Great Eye  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:25:46pm

Fake Russia ties it. Unreal.

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:26:31pm

Aaargh! 3-3. A minute left.

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:30:09pm

re: #1 Kilroy was here

Trump is the nation’s “Crisis Actor in Chief”.

He is also, as always, the worst spin doctor in the history of the planet.

It’s just lie, after obfuscation, after falsehood.

And it’s all fact-checkable.

You can tell he’s lying by the simple fact that he’s speaking. What a putz. What a filthy excuse for a human being.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:32:12pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Castle Lager used that song for their adverts back in 2000. Every time I hear the song, I want a Castle. lol

An example from 2007:

Youtube Video

Beer and braai, okes!

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:46:22pm

re: #10 wheat-dogg

Castle Lager used that song for their adverts back in 2000. Every time I hear the song, I want a Castle. lol

Wheat, I’ve wondered, if you can talk about it, what the mood is in the hustings, outside of Beijing and Shanghai, about the Cheeto Benito vs. Kim nuclear thing.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:48:58pm

re: #11 austin_blue

Wheat, I’ve wondered, if you can talk about it, what the mood is in the hustings, outside of Beijing and Shanghai, about the Cheeto Benito vs. Kim nuclear thing.

Most of the people I’ve talked to seem unconcerned, but I’m not very clear how much they know about the situation from state media. I would imagine folks in the provinces adjoining North Korea are a bit more concerned, though.

Several Chinese have asked what I think of Trump, which I have answered truthfully. No one has yet told me they think he’s great.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:50:34pm

Howdy lizards. Just drive-by memeing…

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electrotek  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:53:24pm

Right wingers continue to prove to the rest of the world on how stupid they are:

I’m reminded on why I avoid Twitter often times these days.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:53:37pm

Dim Jim and Dana MuhGunz seem to have fallen out. Dim’s tweeting about the terrible ways “Our Dana” has treated him.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:53:39pm

I suppose it isn’t actually drive-by memeing if you don’t actually leave a meme. Jesus, I’ve become a Portlandia character. Anywho, here’s the promised meme. Live long and presper (sp?).

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:55:46pm

re: #12 wheat-dogg

Most of the people I’ve talked to seem unconcerned, but I’m not very clear how much they know about the situation from state media. I would imagine folks in the provinces adjoining North Korea are a bit more concerned, though.

Several Chinese have asked what I think of Trump, which I have answered truthfully. No one has yet told me they think he’s great.

That is one of the safest answers to a question I have ever heard from an ex-pat in a foreign country with hammers on social media. Well played!

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:56:07pm

re: #16 De Kolta Chair

I suppose it isn’t drive-by memeing if you don’t actually leave a meme. Jesus, I’ve become a Portlandia character. Anywho, here’s the promised mem. Live long and presper (sp?).

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Prosper.

The Vulcan hand sign is an emoji on WeChat, and I had to explain what it meant to a Chinese friend. (I left out the fictional back story and the connection to Judaism, though.)

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:56:53pm

re: #17 austin_blue

That is one of the safest answers to a question I have ever heard from an ex-pat in a foreign country with hammers on social media. Well played!

Experience, my young padawan. Experience.

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The Great Eye  Feb 24, 2018 • 10:59:38pm

Fake Russia scores on the Power Play to win gold.

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:01:19pm

re: #19 wheat-dogg

Experience, my young padawan. Experience.

When you get back to the States, see if you can swing by Austin. We’ll put you up. I’d love to chat.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:01:51pm

The Trump stormtroopers are coming

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:02:34pm

re: #21 austin_blue

When you get back to the States, see if you can swing by Austin. We’ll put you up. I’d love to chat.

Cool! I’ll keep it in mind. Thanks!

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:03:21pm

BTW, my winter travels are over, and I am back in my flat at the uni. Stand by for photos and blogging.

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:15:12pm

re: #22 wheat-dogg

The Trump stormtroopers are coming

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TFW local authorities warn their most at-risk, and in many cases, most productive workers that the Federales are coming in to destroy their lives.

What the fuck is happening in this country?

I was talking to a home builder the other day (primary contractor) how much more a home would cost if he didn’t use “seasonal” workers (Texas euphemism for undocumented workers).

He said if it was a trad house, maybe 20% higher. If it was a stone clad house, probably 30% higher. Americans don’t do exterior stone work anymore. They just don’t have the necessary skills.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:15:29pm

As usual, the NYDN joyously pisses on whataboutism and bothsiderism.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:25:29pm

re: #25 austin_blue

TFW local authorities warn their most at-risk, and in many cases, most productive workers that the Federales are coming in to destroy their lives.

What the fuck is happening in this country?

I was talking to a home builder the other day (primary contractor) how much more a home would cost if he didn’t use “seasonal” workers (Texas euphemism for undocumented workers).

He said if it was a trad house, maybe 20% higher. If it was a stone clad house, probably 30% higher. Americans don’t do exterior stone work anymore. They just don’t have the necessary skills.

Too many nativists fail to understand that undocumented workers are an integral part of the nation’s economy. Remove them, and many jobs will go unfilled, even with higher wages offered to American citizens. So we can expect dirtier hotels, more costly homes, vegetables and fruits, sloppier lawns and gardens, etc., etc.

Not to mention the number of professionals who have recently been deported.

It’s madness. The long-term consequences will be felt for decades.

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austin_blue  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:28:30pm

Night all! Sweet scaly dreams. I hope that Ivanka can solve the Nork nuclear standoff while she’s there.

{{snort}}

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Kragar  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:30:16pm

re: #22 wheat-dogg

Sure would be a shame if ICE ran into some traffic problems and detours

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BigPapa  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:37:16pm

The universe is full of masterful artists that make it look and sound easy. But Tommy has a way of making you smile.There’s a playful joyousness in his vibe and mastery that I love.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:43:15pm

The Trump Org operates indistinguishably from a mafia crime family.

PANAMA CITY (AP) — One of President Donald Trump’s family businesses is battling an effort to physically evict its team of executives from a luxury hotel in Panama where they manage operations, and police have been called to keep the peace, The Associated Press has learned. Witnesses told the AP they saw Trump’s executives carrying files to a room for shredding.

Representatives of the hotel owners’ association formally sought to fire Trump’s management team Thursday by hand-delivering termination notices to them at the Trump International Hotel and Tower, according to a Panamanian legal complaint filed by Orestes Fintiklis, who controls 202 of the property’s 369 hotel units. Trump’s managers retreated behind the glass walls of an office where they were seen carrying files to an area where the sounds of a shredding machine could be heard, according to two witnesses aligned with the owners. The legal complaint also accused Trump’s team of improperly destroying documents.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:50:11pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

The Trump Org could never become a publicly traded corporation. The necessary documentation would reveal all the skeletons in the closets.

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sauceruney  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:51:54pm

I was just thinking we might have better chances of legislative gun restrictions if we start referring to assault rifles as weapons of mass post-birth abortion.

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Chrysicat  Feb 24, 2018 • 11:52:06pm
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:29:06am

The last time we stood up against a totalitarian regime in Oakland, Governor Ronald Reagan limited our 2nd amendment rights.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:29:15am

Xi really is trying to become the new Mao Zedong.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:35:16am

re: #36 wheat-dogg

All hail the Son of Heaven (天子).

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:49:20am

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

All hail the Son of Heaven (天子).

Xi is 65 and apparently in good health, so he could conceivably be in office at least another 15 years. His programs have benefited China in many ways, but his seeming mistrust of foreigners and foreign influences suggest a Chinese version of “America First” and MAGA. Since Xi took office, state censorship of the media and Internet and control over Hong Kong and Macau have sharply increased, as well.

I don’t expect things to get much better in China regarding human rights and free expression while Xi is in control.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:49:58am

This is the enemy. I guess Dr. Don, Lubbock’s “Mr.
Conservative,” thinks NRA members are that much better than the phalanx of cops and Secret Service agents who could not keep a deranged Lubbockite from shooting President Reagan in 1981.

Facebook Post

I keep Don on my friends list mostly so I can share his posts when some RWNJ accuses us of throwing up strawmen when we characterize the insane fulminationa of the radical right.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:03:26am

Yeah, buddy!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:07:52am

Something to keep in mind when we see RWNJs propose arming teachers, “hardening” schools or, craziest of all, posting armed NRA members at the schools: The real objective of the radical right is not to protect public schools but to destroy them.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:12:28am

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Something to keep in mind when we see RWNJs propose arming teachers, “hardening” schools or, craziest of all, posting armed NRA members at the schools: The real objective of the radical right is not to protect public schools but to destroy them.

If a shooting ever happens at a church or private school, one wonders if their reaction would be any different.

Adding more (unarmed) teachers, reducing class sizes, and boosting public school budgets would not only improve education but could conceivably reduce the number of kids who feel isolated and out of place in public schools, thereby reducing the chances of school shootings by students. But that’s the rational response, so it won’t happen.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:22:33am

Ouch!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:41:08am

Several South Carolina Republicans have filed a bill (H. 4949), which would designate marriage as one man and one woman, and any other arrangement (read same-sex marriage) as a “parody marriage.”

scstatehouse.gov (text of bill, preamble follows):

TO AMEND THE CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, BY ADDING SECTION 20-1-110 SO AS TO ENACT THE “MARRIAGE AND CONSTITUTION RESTORATION ACT”; TO DEFINE CERTAIN TERMS, INCLUDING “PARODY MARRIAGE” AND “MARRIAGE”; TO PROVIDE THAT PARODY MARRIAGE POLICIES ARE NONSECULAR IN NATURE; TO PROHIBIT THE STATE FROM RESPECTING, ENDORSING, OR RECOGNIZING ANY PARODY MARRIAGE POLICY OR POLICIES THAT TREAT SEXUAL ORIENTATION AS A SUSPECT CLASS; AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:44:10am

Such a “parody marriage” declaration, which they also declare is entirely secular in nature (yeah right), means the state would not have to recognise any of the rights and privileges afforded to a “marriage” (the state between one man and one woman).

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:45:48am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

Legally, the bill has no possibility of passing. You can’t amend the state constitution by common legislation, even in South Carolina. Sounds like a desperate political move done to appease the crazy voter demographic.

Plus the abstract’s wording is cockeyed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:47:50am

re: #46 wheat-dogg

Legally, the bill has no possibility of passing. You can’t amend the state constitution by common legislation, even in South Carolina. Sounds like a desperate political move done to appease the crazy voter demographic.

Plus the abstract’s wording is cockeyed.

They are not amending the state constitution. They are amending the state’s marriage laws.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:48:08am

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

Such a “parody marriage” declaration, which they also declare is entirely secular in nature (yeah right), means the state would not have to recognise any of the rights and privileges afforded to a “marriage” (the state between one man and one woman).

Y’know, once the SCOTUS has ruled on something, that’s pretty much the end of debate, until and unless the Constitution is amended or a new law is passed by Congress. Why these nutjobs continue to waste time and effort on meaningless attempts to subvert the rule of law is beyond me.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:48:40am

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

They are not amending the state constitution. They are amending the state’s marriage laws.

OK, that makes a little more sense. Still stupid though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:49:21am

The abstract wording is designed to declare “secular humanism” a religion by contorting a Supreme Court ruling. They then argue in the bill that since the state cannot be entangled in affairs of religion, that the “secular humanist religion” is trying to force its religious views on government.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:50:42am

re: #48 wheat-dogg

Y’know, once the SCOTUS has ruled on something, that’s pretty much the end of debate, until and unless the Constitution is amended or a new law is passed by Congress. Why these nutjobs continue to waste time and effort on meaningless attempts to subvert the rule of law is beyond me.

It’s never the end of debate (see Roe v Wade). Conservatism must maintain a grip on power, and if it cannot, must enrage its voters to regain power.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:52:24am

The contorted legal thinking that religious marriages are secular and “secular humanist” marriages are religious is found in the conclusion of the bill:

(2) In view of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution and the Constitution of South Carolina, 1895:

(a) the State of South Carolina shall no longer respect, endorse, or recognize any form of parody marriage policy because parody marriage policies are nonsecular.

(b) the State of South Carolina shall no longer enforce, recognize, or respect any policy that treats sexual orientation as a suspect class because all such statutes lack a secular purpose.

(C) The State of South Carolina will continue to enforce, endorse, and recognize marriages between a man and a woman because such marriage policies are secular, accomplishing nonreligious objectives.”

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:55:39am

Apropos of South Carolina’s attempt to run back the odometer.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:57:16am

Violence against the crazed right is not a solution, of course, and would be a disaster for our side, but
If some deranged type does shoot up a mob of Nazis or ammosexuals my first reaction will be to call it a false flag staged by Alex Jones and Wayne LaPierre. This will be so even if they are the victims since they could obviously fake their own assassinations and sneak away to Russia.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:58:48am

The man behind the South Carolina legislation is the fellow who famously sued states to allow him to marry his laptop computer.

He also got Republican legislators to file a nearly-identical bill in Wyoming, HB0167.

lso.wyoleg.gov

The Wyoming bill also calls secular humanism a “religion” and defines non-opposite sex marriages as “parody marriages” not deserving of state protection or recognition. The Wyoming bill would take effect July 1 of this year if signed into law.

I would expect to see this bill pop up in other places around the nation as conservatives continue to fight on.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:07:45am

militarytimes.com

James Mattis missed Donald Trump’s Wednesday deadline on Department of Defense policy regarding transgender service members.

Defense Secretary Jim Mattis missed a Wednesday deadline to provide President Donald Trump guidance on transgender service members, which the Pentagon said reflected the complexity of the issue.

“The secretary is taking his time to consider the information he’s been given,” Pentagon Press Secretary Dana White told reporters Thursday.

Based on direction from the White House, Mattis had a Feb. 21 deadline to provide Trump his recommendations on whether allowing transgender service members to serve negatively impacted readiness, and whether those already in the military should be allowed to continue to serve.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:10:45am

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

I’m so non-religious I don’t even rise to the level of secular-what-the-fuck. Fuck them.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:11:53am

re: #52 Anymouse 🌹

The contorted legal thinking that religious marriages are secular and “secular humanist” marriages are religious is found in the conclusion of the bill:

(2) In view of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution and the Constitution of South Carolina, 1895:

(a) the State of South Carolina shall no longer respect, endorse, or recognize any form of parody marriage policy because parody marriage policies are nonsecular.

(b) the State of South Carolina shall no longer enforce, recognize, or respect any policy that treats sexual orientation as a suspect class because all such statutes lack a secular purpose.

(C) The State of South Carolina will continue to enforce, endorse, and recognize marriages between a man and a woman because such marriage policies are secular, accomplishing nonreligious objectives.”

Remember, these are the same people who insist that America was founded expressly as a Christian nation, despite the lack of any such wording in the Constitution.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:18:08am

re: #57 Single-handed sailor

I’m so non-religious I don’t even rise to the level of secular-what-the-fuck. Fuck them.

I’m only a few miles from the Wyoming line. Sometimes the crazy spills over, though we try to keep it contained.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:34:15am

re: #58 wheat-dogg

Remember, these are the same people who insist that America was founded expressly as a Christian nation, despite the lack of any such wording in the Constitution.

The parts that say “no religious test for public office” or “Congress shall establish no religion nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.”

Those are the optional parts of the Constitution for some Christian groups.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:06:27am

My wife suggest Donald Trump’s Soviet-style military parade he suggests for Veterans Day be named “Heel Spur Awareness Day.”

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Chrysicat  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:11:58am

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

“Try to keep it contained”? Aren’t you the one with the House rep who explicitly states that he represents only his Repub constituents, and the Dems should move somewhere they’d have representation?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:37:00am

re: #62 Chrysicat

“Try to keep it contained”? Aren’t you the one with the House rep who explicitly states that he represents only his Repub constituents, and the Dems should move somewhere they’d have representation?

Yes, I am the one with that representative. (He didn’t say Democrats should move, just that he only represents Republicans.)

There is more crazy over the state line though.

Nevertheless, I’ll be keeping an eye on our own state legislative schedule, in case someone introduces one of these wingnut bills such as South Carolina or Wyoming.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:23:54am

Wait for the Orange Yam to take credit for this, since he sent his offspring to South Korea.

North Korea has expressed willingness to talk to the United States, South Korean presidential office says
washingtonpost.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:32:17am

re: #27 wheat-dogg

Too many nativists fail to understand that undocumented workers are an integral part of the nation’s economy. Remove them, and many jobs will go unfilled, even with higher wages offered to American citizens. So we can expect dirtier hotels, more costly homes, vegetables and fruits, sloppier lawns and gardens, etc., etc.

Not to mention the number of professionals who have recently been deported.

It’s madness. The long-term consequences will be felt for decades.

They will pay it in order to Make America White Again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:34:34am

Canadian wingnut Jordan Peterson is now claiming he “left atheism” on his YouTube channel (hint, he was never an atheist), and in a new video claims, like so many others, to have “debunked atheism.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:36:45am

re: #42 wheat-dogg

If a shooting ever happens at a church or private school, one wonders if their reaction would be any different.

Adding more (unarmed) teachers, reducing class sizes, and boosting public school budgets would not only improve education but could conceivably reduce the number of kids who feel isolated and out of place in public schools, thereby reducing the chances of school shootings by students. But that’s the rational response, so it won’t happen.

You mean if a shooting happened at a white church. They didn’t care much when nine African-Americans were slaughtered in church.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:40:32am

re: #339 Kragar

I woke up realizing what this guy’s thinking: If only everyone owned an AR-15, we could stop these school shootings, but most people are just too scared of it’s looks to want to own one.

Edited for grammar slightly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:42:42am

re: #67 Big Beautiful Door

You mean if a shooting happened at a white church. They didn’t care much when nine African-Americans were slaughtered in church.

They didn’t care in Sutherland Springs, Texas, either. They tried to blame it on liberals, atheists, just about every “go to” issue other than guns.

Even sacrificing Christians on the altar of conservative blood-lust is not enough.

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JordanRules  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:44:50am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:46:18am

re: #68 Belafon

I woke up realizing what this guy’s thinking: If only everyone owned an AR-15, we could stop these school shootings. But most people are just too scared of it’s looks to want to own one.

Wow, that guy seems like the kind of person who shouldn’t own a gun.

He’s also promoting the lie that AR-15’s were not invented for warfare.

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jeffreyw  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:49:26am

Imgur


Good morning!

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:53:14am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

They didn’t care in Sutherland Springs, Texas, either. They tried to blame it on liberals, atheists, just about every “go to” issue other than guns.

Even sacrificing Christians on the altar of conservative blood-lust is not enough.

actually… they’re suing the military, for not having reported the gunman’s domestic violence conviction to the federal agency that would haven’t have let him pass the background check if they’d known.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:03:06am

re: #73 sagehen

actually… they’re suing the military, for not having reported the gunman’s domestic violence conviction to the federal agency that would haven’t have let him pass the background check if they’d known.

I’m guessing that case won’t go anywhere, but I’m not a lawyer.

It’s everyone’s fault (the military in this case) except the weapon.

It’s an Honor to Continue Being Valued over Countless Human Lives (goes to The Onion)

Look, I’m not the type who needs constant validation, and I have never sought preferential treatment from anyone. I just try to focus on doing what I do and not get too caught up in what people think or say about me. But I have to admit, it’s been hard to ignore all the support and appreciation I’ve been receiving lately, particularly over the past several years. That’s why I want to take this opportunity to let all of you know what an absolute honor it is that you continue to value me over countless human lives.

I don’t want to get too sentimental or anything, but it really means the world to me how often you as Americans, through your words and your actions, make it known that I am more important to you than the lives of your fellow citizens.

You see, I’m just a humble lightweight, magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle; I never expected this kind of outpouring of affection.

(more)

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:20:24am

I’ve not kept up on what is happening in Syria, but looking at the headlines this morning it appears to qualify as the world’s current number one clusterf*ck.

Moscow mired in Syria as Putin’s gameplan risks a deadly ending

[…]

From Ghouta north to the Turkish border, from Hama in the west to the oil-rich Deir ez-Zor in eastern Syria, where up to 200 advancing Russian mercenaries were killed by a US counterattack on 7 February, a new regional order is being fought out.

“And we will be trampled like mice under the feet of buffaloes,” said Ayman Thaer, a volunteer at an aid centre in Ghouta, where at least 500 people were killed this past week by Russian and Syrian bombs. “May God damn them all.”

[…]

The clash between the US and Russian mercenaries sent to Syria was kept quiet by Moscow, which - in different circumstances - would have complained bitterly if 200 of its citizens had been killed by a rival power. For Putin to admit even that the men were there would have belied his claim of victory and withdrawal from a war that no longer needed him. Acknowledging they were advancing on an oil refinery held by US Kurdish proxies would have been an equally tough sell, at a time when securing Syria from the threat of terrorism and US hegemony remains the official narrative.

US intelligence officials believe the company that recruited the Russians - the Wagner Group - is controlled by a Putin confidant, Yevgeniy Prigozhin.

[…]

Here’s a Syrian take on what is happening in the region:

Syria Foils Major US-Israeli Plot in Eastern Ghouta: Military Source

Speaking to Tasnim on Saturday on condition of anonymity, the source said Israeli warplanes had been tasked with pounding the positions of the Syrian army in the suburbs of Damascus in an attempt to pave the way for the so-called Jaish al-Islam Takfiri terrorists to reach the towns of al-Nashabiyah and Outaya in Eastern Ghouta towards the eastern Qalamoun Mountains.

Some other 5,000 armed terrorists based in the town of al-Tanf in southeastern Syria were also supposed to join Jaish al-Islam militants in Eastern Ghouta under the cover of US strikes, he added.

The US-Israeli plot against the Syrian government was nipped in the bud after Syrian forces and their allies took timely action, deployed their troops to the two directions and pushed them back, the source further said.

[…]

It’s going to continue:

Russian Air Force Preparing to Provide Back up for Syrian Army Operation in Eastern Damascus

Russian Air Force is to provide support for the Syrian Army troops’ imminent operation against terrorists in Eastern Ghouta, its defense ministry said amid reports on the dispatch of hundreds of fresh Syrian soldiers and military equipment to the region.

The Russia-run Humeimim airbase quoted the defense ministry as saying that the Russian warplanes are to provide back up for the Syrian Army’s operation against terrorists in Eastern Ghouta.

In the meantime, local sources said that a large number of the Syrian Army elite forces have been dispatched to Eastern Ghouta.

[…]

I guess I should not be amazed that this gets so little attention in the US, what with Trump’s crisis acting taking up all the oxygen in the room, and the Trump crime family playing both sides in this conflict.

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The Major  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:20:33am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:33:48am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:55:56am

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹

….. and in a new video claims, like so many others, to have “debunked atheism.”

Didn’t watch the vid and nor will I. To debunk atheism, one would need to prove the existence of god. According to a true theist/deist, this is impossible. And, recalling back to Douglas Adams, proving the existence of god gets you run over in a cross-walk.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:24:37am

re: #29 Kragar

Sure would be a shame if ICE ran into some traffic problems and detours

Chris Christie is available for consulting.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:29:40am

“I spent a couple years just earnestly praying, asking the question that I don’t think we ask enough, ‘God what do you want to do with me?’” Pruitt said. “Really getting into our prayer closet, seeking His heart, asking what He wants to do in our lives.”

“It was actually Isaiah chapter one that I was reading through at that time that really spoke to my heart,” he continued. “Specifically, in the latter part of chapter one where God says to Israel, ‘I will restore your leaders as in the days of old, your judges as at the beginning.’ And there was just a desire that welled up in me to say, ‘I want to be like those leaders that we had at our founding, at the inception of our country.’”

Those founders that wanted to burn it all down?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:30:19am

re: #80 jaunte

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Those founders that wanted to burn it all down?

WTF.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:31:24am

re: #64 wheat-dogg

Wait for the Orange Yam to take credit for this, since he sent his offspring to South Korea.

North Korea has expressed willingness to talk to the United States, South Korean presidential office says
washingtonpost.com

Oh no. If some kind of a breakthrough occurs Trump will strut around and tell everyone how his acting like a crazy man who could blow up the world worked just as he planned.

“See, I told everyone you can’t let them know what you are going to do and you have to scare (everybody everywhere) into submission with threats of annihilation.”

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:31:49am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Jesus wants clean coal.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:32:17am

re: #78 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Didn’t watch the vid and nor will I. To debunk atheism, one would need to prove the existence of god. According to a true theist/deist, this is impossible. And, recalling back to Douglas Adams, proving the existence of god gets you run over in a cross-walk.

Wait a minute…..how is that impossible?

Look, I just bought a cool wristwatch off eBay yesterday morning*, and I can prove it by pulling up a screenshot of my winning bid.

So…..can’t the theists/deists simply summon their deity?

*this is the watch I bought…..I’ll probably change the band to a stainless steel mesh type band, though.

Sorna Automatic
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:36:20am

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:36:36am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:40:09am

re: #86 jaunte

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Awesome.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:40:13am

re: #84 Dr Lizardo

The Bible is the word of god.
The Bible says god exists.
God exists.

QED

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:47:57am

re: #88 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The Bible is the word of god.
The Bible says god exists.
God exists.

QED

It’s a syllogism. That’s proof, godless libtards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:48:05am

sigh

Whitesburg

A man who hosted a group of white nationalists on his property in Eastern Kentucky last year is now running for county-wide public office, sparking a lawsuit that claims he is not legally eligible for the position.

Ellis Keyes, who told the Herald-Leader he and the white nationalists have “common ground” in their political beliefs, filed to run for Letcher County Commonwealth’s Attorney, whose duties include prosecuting felonies and presenting evidence to grand juries.

His bid, though, faces a legal challenge. Incumbent Edison Banks has filed a motion in Letcher County Circuit Court to remove Keyes’ name from the ballot, saying Keyes is not legally eligible because he is not an attorney.

Banks cited Section 100 of the Kentucky Constitution, which says a person must have been a licensed practicing lawyer for four years to be eligible to serve as Commonwealth’s Attorney.

snip

the fun part:

Keyes told the Herald-Leader he is qualified and legally eligible for the office, citing his belief that all men are created equal, and that elections must be free and fair.

Keyes also said state bar associations are “not the proper authority to license the practice of law” because, he claims, the bar associations are unions and do not represent the interests of the public.

His bid for Commonwealth’s Attorney is the third time Keyes has run for office in Letcher County.

He ran for sheriff four years ago, and for judge-executive eight years ago, losing both times.

Keyes also ran for mayor of San Francisco in 1995 with an unusual platform, saying in a C-SPAN interview: “My philosophy is that life is a party, and you are the Party of Life.”

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:57:13am

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹

The abstract wording is designed to declare “secular humanism” a religion by contorting a Supreme Court ruling. They then argue in the bill that since the state cannot be entangled in affairs of religion, that the “secular humanist religion” is trying to force its religious views on government.

Right
“no religion”=”religion”

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:58:39am

Popcorn chicken;
Breakfast of Champions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:58:57am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:59:19am

re: #83 jaunte

Jesus wants clean coal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:00:39am
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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:01:09am

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹

Canadian wingnut Jordan Peterson is now claiming he “left atheism” on his YouTube channel (hint, he was never an atheist), and in a new video claims, like so many others, to have “debunked atheism.”

He’s debunked a thing that is by definition not a thing?

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:01:22am

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹

The abstract wording is designed to declare “secular humanism” a religion by contorting a Supreme Court ruling. They then argue in the bill that since the state cannot be entangled in affairs of religion, that the “secular humanist religion” is trying to force its religious views on government.

They’ll change their tune the first time a secular humanist declares themselves tax-exempt.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:06:48am

re: #94 Eventual Carrion

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That….
Is awesome.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:07:34am

re: #97 jaunte

They’ll change their tune the first time a secular humanist declares themselves tax-exempt.

That ought to be a hoot.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:10:45am

re: #92 Varek Raith

Popcorn chicken;
Breakfast of Champions.

Yesterday for breakfast I had 3 cucumbers and some beef jerky.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:11:51am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’s great!

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:11:57am

politico

Trump urges national unity, investigation of ‘the other side’ amid Russia probe

so to him, “the other side” means the Democrats and not the Russians.

or snarkily

we know the Democrats colluded with Russia to steal the election
lets only investigate what the Dems did
not any foreign power they may have conspired with.

in the classic sense of the words, stunning, awful, remarkable, dreadful

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Amory Blaine  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:12:44am
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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:16:31am

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

Mr. Wohl needs to add ‘utter moron’ to his resume.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:18:18am

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

Being a conservative pundit must be like living inside a self-authored fan fiction novel.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:20:15am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:20:33am

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

She’s great!

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Uh yeah.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:22:09am

re: #104 Varek Raith

Mr. Wohl needs to add ‘utter moron’ to his resume.

He got schooled in the replies

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:24:25am

re: #106 jaunte

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Can’t even aim it
He has no control over that weapon

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:25:21am

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh

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snip

the fun part:

Slight problem with his “theory.” The Kentucky Supreme Court licenses Kentucky attorneys, not the Kentucky Bar Association.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:28:32am

re: #110 Big Beautiful Door

Slight problem with his “theory.” The Kentucky Supreme Court licenses Kentucky attorneys, not the Kentucky Bar Association.

He’s probably “taxes are illegal” too

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:29:00am

And there it is!

Local NBC Columbus runs a political show and the host (I mentioned a letter she wrote the other day about Dana Loesch) is talking about Parkland and of course guns are the big thing in today’s conversation.

And when she asked a local NRA guy about our founding fathers not knowing about AR type guns and automatic weapons…guess where he went?

That’s right…the Puckle gun!

And he just said “slippery slope” too. Also talked about how licensing guns like a car is wrong because cars are not a protected right like guns.

He got the whole NRA package in so far. The whole well-worn argument.

Ugh. I sure hope the student movement stomps on this thinking and gets this country right on guns.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:29:42am

re: #109 dangerman

Can’t even aim it
He has no control over that weapon

The two laughing about it is reason enough to ban the fuckers.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:33:06am

re: #109 dangerman

Can’t even aim it
He has no control over that weapon

Yeah but man…that cool sound. It’s so badass. He’s a badass…everyone with an AR is a badass!

Gotta fly some old Photoshops that go to this mess…

Are We Not Men? Not If We Don’t Have Guns!
Wayne LaZardoz
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:33:16am

re: #98 Varek Raith

That….
Is awesome.

First image that came up for “Jesus coal miner” search.

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MsJ  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:38:46am
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:41:36am

re: #112 ObserverArt

Honestly never liked that point, the same one the government tried to use with judges to assert zero privacy for telegraphs, then land line then cell phone calls. In essence old rights only apply to devices and technology available at the time the right was established? Nope, we got to keep our 1st A and require a warrant to tap our phones. We can travel over state lines without papers. Even in a car.

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MsJ  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:46:07am

Hmmm…

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:48:50am

Hey Backwoods Sleuth…your buddy Kentucky Rep Thomas Massie is on Meet The Chuck. Ugh.

Edit: Massie is a complete idiot. He’s celebrating that “right now millions of people are putting their guns on and going to church.”

Yeah…that is so Christian.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:51:22am

Given the parallel paths over the years
..growth of guns and gun Ownership
..and mass shootings, school shootings, etc

Then if the answer were more guns, America would surely be safe by now…..

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:51:34am

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:52:05am

re: #109 dangerman

Can’t even aim it
He has no control over that weapon

If large amounts of bodies is the goal, and you don’t care which ones, “aim” isn’t really required.

I imagine the fellow in the Mandalay Bay hotel wasn’t really aiming either.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:55:45am

re: #112 ObserverArt

Automobiles used to be considered an absolute right that could not be regulated. Repeated court cases struck down laws on licensing, registrations, traffic laws, &c as unconstitutional. It was considered constitutionally-protected under the theory of the “right to travel.”

However, as the bodies piled up from road carnage, courts started to take an interest in that absolute right, which was argued under the “right to travel.”

That absolute right is now one of the most restricted things you can do in American society.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:03:34am

Oh dog, MAH GUNZ!!!! and her sneer is on This Week.

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Woods Witch  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:05:34am

re: #114 ObserverArt

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:06:40am

Mona Charen takes to the NYT.

Like the Republican Party, CPAC has become heavily Trumpified. Last year, they invited alt-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos (and withdrew the invitation only after lewd tapes surfaced). This year, in addition to the president and vice president, CPAC invited Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, granddaughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen and niece of National Front leader Marine Le Pen.

Matt Schlapp, CPAC’s chairman, described her as a “classical liberal” on Twitter. This is utter nonsense. Ms. Maréchal-Le Pen is a member of the National Front party, and far from distancing herself from her Holocaust-denying, anti-Semitic and racist grandfather, she has offered him a more full-throated endorsement than her aunt has. “I am the political heir of Jean-Marie Le Pen,” Maréchal-Le Pen told the Washington Post last year. “He was a visionary. He was right about a lot of things.”

So it has come to this: a conservative group whose worst fault in years past may have been excessive flat tax enthusiasm now opens its doors to the blood and soil nationalists of Europe.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:07:45am

re: #125 Woods Witch

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Sorry. Sometimes gun politics is ugly.

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Archangelus  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:10:14am

re: #114 ObserverArt

Yeah but man…that cool sound. It’s so badass. He’s a badass…everyone with an AR is a badass!

Gotta fly some old Photoshops that go to this mess…

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Woods Witch  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:10:24am

re: #106 jaunte

In case anyone needed more proof that people buy these weapons for only two reasons: to kill other human beings and to get their rocks off.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:11:50am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

I’m guessing that case won’t go anywhere, but I’m not a lawyer.

It’s everyone’s fault (the military in this case) except the weapon.

It’s an Honor to Continue Being Valued over Countless Human Lives (goes to The Onion)

(more)

An NRA fanatic acquaintance of mine sent to his email list an essay by another gun nut John Boch that blamed the shooting on the FBI and the Hillary supporting sheriff. I replied that “Weapons of war don’t belong in the hands of civilians”. His response? An insult: “AR15 is NOT a weapon of war. …. It only looks scary to ignorant people who don’t know what they are talking about.”

I realized that the “great” Frank Luntz understands this. To control the debate, it’s important to control the language to frame the discussion — and the exact truth doesn’t matter. We win the debate by defining the terms used to describe the weaponry. And getting people out to vote.

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Woods Witch  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:12:05am

re: #127 ObserverArt

No worries

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:13:42am

Currently sitting here in the countryside, surrounded by a flock of about a million blackbirds.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:14:26am

re: #128 Archangelus

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Hmmm. Maybe all the tweeters need to take the Wayne LaZardoz P’shop and send it out. Maybe it will damage Wayne since so many are offended by it. Wayne offends me too.

Make Wayne ugly for America.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:16:39am

If only it were as simple as the guns. Think a moment how police often treat minorities on the street. Nothing changes just walking past a school gate for the day. And yet they are there to protect.

Amy Guerrero said she started getting randomly searched at her Koreatown middle school, Young Oak Kim Academy, when she was 12 years old.
“I got searched all the time, but I never saw the nurse, not once,” said Amy, who is 15 and a sophomore at UCLA Community School, which also is in Koreatown. “Whenever I felt sick or had a cut they said the nurse wasn’t there that day, but I saw the officers all the time.”

In back-to-back events, Los Angeles students and teachers landed on starkly different sides in a debate over security measures at schools.
On Friday in the west San Fernando Valley, teachers and students gave school police — and even random searches of students — a resounding vote of confidence.
The next day, in a gathering south of downtown, participants criticized an approach to security that they said criminalized students, victimizing them more than protecting them. They want to end random searches of students; some activists called for an end to police officers on campus.

End police officers on Campus? Why? Because Campus police with no real crimes at hand start to enforce rules. In fact some worry it’s part of the school to prison sequence…

In theory, so-called school resource officers are supposed to foster exactly what many civil rights groups are campaigning for: better relations between law enforcement and citizens, particularly minorities and lower-income families. In practice, some say, they are worsening the situation, facilitating the “school-to-prison pipeline” rather than curbing it. Thanks to inconsistent training models and a lack of clear standards, critics contend school officers are introducing children to the criminal justice system unnecessarily by doling out harsh punishments for classroom misbehavior.

“Is this is an effective intervention strategy? It’s really not having the impact we want to have,” says Emily Morgan, a senior policy analyst at The Council of State Governments Justice Center, a nonprofit that works to strengthen public safety and communities.

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Woods Witch  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:16:40am

re: #133 ObserverArt

Not offended….grossed out would be a better term.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:19:12am

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

I replied that “Weapons of war don’t belong in the hands of civilians”. His response? An insult: “AR15 is NOT a weapon of war. …. It only looks scary to ignorant people who don’t know what they are talking about.”

My stock response to that point - which everybody uses - is

Any weapon that can kill 59 people and wound hundreds from 300 yards away is a weapon of war in my book.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:20:59am

re: #136 makeitstop

My stock response to that point - which everybody uses - is

Any weapon that can kill 59 people and wound hundreds from 300 yards away is a weapon of war in my book.

Great response!! Love it.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:21:31am

re: #132 jaunte

Currently sitting here in the countryside, surrounded by a flock of about a million blackbirds.

Any of them sing in the dead of night?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:22:02am

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

An NRA fanatic acquaintance of mine sent to his email list an essay by another gun nut John Boch that blamed the shooting on the FBI and the Hillary supporting sheriff. I replied that “Weapons of war don’t belong in the hands of civilians”. His response? An insult: “AR15 is NOT a weapon of war. …. It only looks scary to ignorant people who don’t know what they are talking about.”

I realized that the “great” Frank Luntz understands this. To control the debate, it’s important to control the language to frame the discussion — and the exact truth doesn’t matter. We win the debate by defining the terms used to describe the weaponry. And getting people out to vote.

It is a weapon of war. It was designed to be a counter in the Vietnam War for the AK-47. The existing field rifle at the time, the M-14, was too bulky and slow for effective combat in those conditions.

Thus, the AR-15 was designed as a lightweight, easily-maintained weapon for the Army as a counter to the AK-47. With a burst-fire selector, it becomes the M-16.

It is in fact a weapon of war, no matter how many times they try to deny it. The term “weapon of war” should be kept in the arguments about why this weapon should not be in the hands of untrained civilians. Weapons of war are not protected under the II Amendment for civilian use.

Conservatives will always try to redirect terminology of any issue they are on the wrong side of (see also pro-life, pro-family, &c). The term “weapon of war” should not be given up because that is what it is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:23:31am

re: #132 jaunte

Currently sitting here in the countryside, surrounded by a flock of about a million blackbirds.

Think of all the pies you could bake if you need 2 dozen for one pie!

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:24:18am

re: #138 Barefoot Grin

The neighbor came out and shot his shotgun at them about half an hour ago, so now they’re over at my place, harvesting the bugs.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:24:48am
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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:25:32am

That’s one of the weird effects of having guns; they seem to make people more inclined to use them for random minor occasions.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:25:51am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

Several South Carolina Republicans have filed a bill (H. 4949), which would designate marriage as one man and one woman, and any other arrangement (read same-sex marriage) as a “parody marriage.”

scstatehouse.gov (text of bill, preamble follows):

The Supreme Court has already spoken on this issue. SC Republicans are just wasting everyone’s times. Surely, SC citizens have greater concerns than marriage equality which is a settled issue.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:27:25am

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

It is a weapon of war. It was designed to be a counter in the Vietnam War for the AK-47. The existing field rifle at the time, the M-14, was too bulky and slow for effective combat in those conditions.

Thus, the AR-15 was designed as a lightweight, easily-maintained weapon for the Army as a counter to the AK-47. With a burst-fire selector, it becomes the M-16.

It is in fact a weapon of war, no matter how many times they try to deny it. The term “weapon of war” should be kept in the arguments about why this weapon should not be in the hands of untrained civilians. Weapons of war are not protected under the II Amendment for civilian use.

Conservatives will always try to redirect terminology of any issue they are on the wrong side of (see also pro-life, pro-family, &c). The term “weapon of war” should not be given up because that is what it is.

This morning, after Googling AR-15, I learned that it was used in VietNam so that was the response I sent to him. You are so right about conservatives. Frank Luntz is the master of that.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:28:30am

How does one argue a military service design gun is not a weapon of war? Not well at all apparently.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:29:48am

re: #144 Patricia Kayden

The Supreme Court has already spoken on this issue. SC Republicans are just wasting everyone’s times. Surely, SC citizens have greater concerns than marriage equality which is a settled issue.

Settled issues are settled until a later Supreme Court. Plessy vs Ferguson separate but “equal” was settled until it wasn’t. They are hoping for a Federalist Supreme Court that will overturn every decent ruling that prior courts have made.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:30:41am

re: #132 jaunte

Currently sitting here in the countryside, surrounded by a flock of about a million blackbirds.

We’re surrounded by Canada geese and people with shotguns.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:31:47am

This makes a lot more sense than that other snake on a yellow background…

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Archangelus  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:33:03am

re: #136 makeitstop

My stock response to that point - which everybody uses - is

Any weapon that can kill 59 people and wound hundreds from 300 yards away is a weapon of war in my book.

I’ve been pointing out of late that the Israeli Defense Forces categorizes the AR-15 in the same grouping as the Uzi and M-16 as a LITERAL weapon of war prohibited for civilian acquisition.
Might literally blow their mind to learn that a country surrounded by threats and terrorism, one that has way more gun laws and far lower gun casualty rates, absolutely prohibits civilians from going anywhere near that damned thing.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:33:26am

re: #141 jaunte

The neighbor came out and shot his shotgun at them about half an hour ago, so now they’re over at my place, harvesting the bugs.

Lawn aeration. I had that happen back before the cold and snows came to Ohio. Very effective method that mother nature provides.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:33:47am

re: #121 Unshaken Defiance

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What makes people like him think that citizens with guns could stand up to and overcome the American military with all of its firepower and hardware? Such bizarre thinking that it makes you wonder if they’re actually serious. If the American military ever decided to take on civilians, there is no doubt which side would prevail and no number of armed citizens would change that outcome.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:34:17am

re: #103 Amory Blaine

NRA honors FCC chair with rifle for repealing ‘net neutrality’

proof positive the NRA is not about “rifles”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:36:03am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

This morning, after Googling AR-15, I learned that it was used in VietNam so that was the response I sent to him. You are so right about conservatives. Frank Luntz is the master of that.

Lee Atwater was pretty good at that as well (You can’t say ni*clang so you start talking about forced bussing), along with Paul Weyrich (abortion, which was used to drag the evangelical Christians into the GOP).

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:37:40am

re: #141 jaunte

The neighbor came out and shot his shotgun at them about half an hour ago, so now they’re over at my place, harvesting the bugs.

wasnt that in steel magnoilas?

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:38:25am

re: #150 Archangelus

I’ve been pointing out of late that the Israeli Defense Forces categorizes the AR-15 in the same grouping as the Uzi and M-16 as a LITERAL weapon of war prohibited for civilian acquisition.
Might literally blow their mind to learn that a country surrounded by threats and terrorism, one that has way more gun laws and far lower gun casualty rates, absolutely prohibits civilians from going anywhere near that damned thing.

Good point about the IDF, Arch - especially since those idiotic ‘schoolteacher in Israel with a rifle’ memes have come back into use of late. Thanks for that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:38:58am

re: #152 Patricia Kayden

What makes people like him think that citizens with guns could stand up to and overcome the American military with all of its firepower and hardware? Such bizarre thinking that it makes you wonder if they’re actually serious. If the American military ever decided to take on civilians, there is no doubt which side would prevail and no number of armed citizens would change that outcome.

They think the military will side with them.

In every insurrection (the Whiskey Rebellion, where the militia was called out to support the Federal government), the Civil War, &c, the military has not supported insurrectionists. There is no reason to believe the would in some sort of dystopian conservative fantasy now.

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Woods Witch  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:39:10am

re: #150 Archangelus

And with good reason

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Archangelus  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:44:39am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:45:58am

re: #103 Amory Blaine

NRA honors FCC chair with rifle for repealing ‘net neutrality’

So what does repealing net neutrality have to do with promoting the Second Amendment, which I thought was supposed to be the NRA’s focus? The NRA is an extension of the Republican party.

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Woods Witch  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:46:32am

re: #132 jaunte

Currently sitting here in the countryside, surrounded by a flock of about a million blackbirds.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:47:01am

re: #158 Woods Witch

And with good reason

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Now there is ugly; the damage a high-powered gun can inflict on a human body.

You know, I hate low ball politics, but I wonder when people that want changes in gun laws start to use the tactics of the abortion protesters.

That would be to start to use images of gun wounds or people killed with vicious injuries and to start using explanations like that to let people know these are the results of your allowing assault rifles/weapons of war.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:47:03am

re: #134 Unshaken Defiance

If only it were as simple as the guns. Think a moment how police often treat minorities on the street. Nothing changes just walking past a school gate for the day. And yet they are there to protect.

End police officers on Campus? Why? Because Campus police with no real crimes at hand start to enforce rules. In fact some worry it’s part of the school to prison sequence…

I live on Normandie Ave, Young Oak Kim is on Vermont/6th. It already has a reputation of being a prison instead of a school. Several parents in my apartment building pulled their kids out of it because the police were continually harassing the Muslim, Sikh and Hindu kids.

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Archangelus  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:49:38am

Cripes…

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:50:08am

I’m beginning to believe that Mark Zuckerberg belongs in prison.

(Malcolm Nance seems to believe that this guy got to the US in return for blowing the whistle on the RUS-IRA. Not sure I buy that theory.)

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:50:10am
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:50:12am

re: #163 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gotta wonder if a cop like that would step up under fire for kids they disrespect literally. It’s a broken society that has to fear the bad guys and the cops.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:50:14am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

“They think the military will side with them.”

So why are they pushing the right for every American to own guns without any meaningful regulation by the federal government? If they know that the military will side with them then they shouldn’t oppose regulations on the type of weapons that can be sold to civilians or other regulations. Rightwing “logic” is interesting, to say the least.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:53:56am

re: #167 Unshaken Defiance

Gotta wonder if a cop like that would step up under fire for kids they disrespect literally. It’s a broken society that has to fear the bad guys and the cops.

Parent reviews of that school are scathing. Lots of unchecked bullying going on there. Classes are segregated by sex. Test scores are very low. Teachers get low marks.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:55:04am

re: #169 Joe Bacon 🌹

LAUSD is criminally negligent at best. Just criminal if you ask me.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:55:29am

re: #168 Patricia Kayden

“They think the military will side with them.”

So why are they pushing the right for every American to own guns without any meaningful regulation by the federal government? If they know that the military will side with them then they shouldn’t oppose regulations on the type of weapons that can be sold to civilians or other regulations. Rightwing “logic” is interesting, to say the least.

Another of my favorite points to throw at at fanatics on Facebook:

You’re buying AR-15s to arm yourselves against a ‘tyrannical government.’ Would that be the same ‘tyrannical government’ that (under Trump) you demand no less than complete respect for?’

Nobody’s been able to answer that riddle.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:57:05am

re: #170 Unshaken Defiance

LAUSD is criminally negligent at best. Just criminal if you ask me.

Still nothing compared to the school system back in my home town where the sole issue when it came to school BORED elections was having a winning football team.

The School BORED and teachers didn’t care about anything else.

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retired cynic  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:59:15am

re: #132 jaunte

Currently sitting here in the countryside, surrounded by a flock of about a million blackbirds.

Friday afternoon, hundreds of thousands of geese flew over (on the Illinois River flyway) in what seemed to be an endless stream. V after V after V.

I love living here!

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:00:46am
Taking a jab at Gov. Jerry Brown, President Trump’s top immigration chief on Wednesday said he was preparing to “significantly increase” his agency’s enforcement presence in California because of last year’s passage of a landmark “sanctuary state” law.
“California better hold on tight,” Thomas Homan, acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said on Fox News. “They are about to see a lot more special agents, a lot more deportation officers.”

latimes.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:01:50am

re: #162 ObserverArt

Now there is ugly; the damage a high-powered gun can inflict on a human body.

You know, I hate low ball politics, but I wonder when people that want changes in gun laws start to use the tactics of the abortion protesters.

That would be to start to use images of gun wounds or people killed with vicious injuries and to start using explanations like that to let people know these are the results of your allowing assault rifles/weapons of war.

I have no problem with protestors showing up with protest signs in front of the NRA or politicians’ offices holding up signs of bloody corpses killed in gun violence.

A lot of politics is about perception and framing. Framing anyone who supports unrestricted guns as “pro-death” and showing those results is fine with me.

Moreover, unlike abortion protestors claiming “baby-killing,” such gun protestors would be telling the truth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:04:05am

re: #166 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

Todd is too stupid to figure out that Delta will still let him fly but he doesn’t get the NRA perks anymore.

Todd is upset because he won’t get an the NRA perks of an extra pack of peanuts and an NRA rubber ducky to squeeze during his flights.

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:10:36am

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

It is in fact a weapon of war, no matter how many times they try to deny it. The term “weapon of war” should be kept in the arguments about why this weapon should not be in the hands of untrained civilians. Weapons of war are not protected under the II Amendment for civilian use.

Conservatives will always try to redirect terminology of any issue they are on the wrong side of (see also pro-life, pro-family, &c). The term “weapon of war” should not be given up because that is what it is.

The AR-15’s inventor certainly felt that way, and his family has repeatedly said so.

nbcnews.com
“Our father, Eugene Stoner, designed the AR-15 and subsequent M-16 as a military weapon to give our soldiers an advantage over the AK-47,” the Stoner family told NBC News late Wednesday. “He died long before any mass shootings occurred. But, we do think he would have been horrified and sickened as anyone, if not more by these events.”

The ex-Marine and “avid sportsman, hunter and skeet shooter” never used his invention for sport. He also never kept it around the house for personal defense. In fact, he never even owned one.

And though he made millions from the design, his family said it was all from military sales.

“After many conversations with him, we feel his intent was that he designed it as a military rifle,” his family said, explaining that Stoner was “focused on making the most efficient and superior rifle possible for the military.”

He designed the original AR-15 in the late 1950s, working on it in his own garage and later as the chief designer for ArmaLite, a then small company in southern California. He made it light and powerful and he fashioned a new bullet for it — a .223 caliber round capable of piercing a metal helmet at 500 yards.

The Army loved it and renamed it the M16.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:11:33am

I re: #146 Unshaken Defiance

How does one argue a military service design gun is not a weapon of war? Not well at all apparently.

If it doesn’t do burst fire or fully automatic fire.

I spent a little time last night, reading up in the AR15 and the .223 Remington round. And arguing with an old schoolmate on FB. Here’s what I learned:

AR15s are fun. LOTS of fun!

Light, easy to carry, accurate. Almost no kick, so you can stay on target for follow up shots, and shoot all day without ruining your shoulder. Way more accurate than a handgun. Less danger of overpenetration in a home defense situation, because all the energy is expended in the target. Ammunition is relatively cheap. AR15s are infinitely accessorizable. You can add scopes, laser sights, holographic sights, flashlights, a crapload of different options for the stock, etc.

Every single reason why gun enthusiasts like the AR15 is a reason why mass shooters like them. It’s like the AR15 was designed with them in mind.

When you get into discussions with gun enthusiasts about doing anything about the AR15, they always fall back on “.223 is less powerful than most rife calibers!”, which is true, but misleading. The comparison to make isn’t to other rifle calibers, but rather to pistol calibers. .223 is WAY more damaging than any standard pistol caliber.

The AR15 and the .223 sit in a sweet spot between handguns and high powered rifles. Light and easy to handle like a handgun, but accurate and powerful like a larger rifle. And easier to just keep pointing and shooting than either.

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, but I know that the AR15 seems uniquely problematic. Short of total confiscation, I don’t see how we rid ourselves of them, so we’re down to determining what features we can proscribe to make them less deadly in mass shootings.

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:15:52am

re: #156 makeitstop

Good point about the IDF, Arch - especially since those idiotic ‘schoolteacher in Israel with a rifle’ memes have come back into use of late. Thanks for that.

Those schoolteachers in Israel, every last one of them, are combat veterans. And they’re all still in the reserves, with up-to-date training. If they have to go into battle this afternoon, against Egyptian tanks, on 2 hours notice, they’re ready.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:21:17am

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

An effective regulation might focus mostly on capacity and rate. The AR comes in almost every caliber that can be made to feed through. From .22 to 7.62. I have a gun that runs the .223 5 shot bolt action. More dangerous to whatever is being well aimed at than an AR because bolt action accuracy with extra velocity in a long barrel. But unsuitable to the Vegas shooter by far. He was dangerous ten times a second instead of once every few seconds, so to speak.

If someone sells semi auto hunting rifles that have no magazine and only hold 5 rounds, probably a legit hunting gun. Not a modern war weapon.

California might have it about right. The goals-10 round capacity, can’t speed reload, can’t have a pistol grip, bayonet, sound suppressor or muzzle flash device. Not a ban. Regulated instead. It passed, it holds up under court scrutiny. I notice the 2nd A is unscathed.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:23:58am

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, but I know that the AR15 seems uniquely problematic. Short of total confiscation, I don’t see how we rid ourselves of them, so we’re down to determining what features we can proscribe to make them less deadly in mass shootings.

Let’s go with confiscation, but paying a reasonable amount for the weapons. The state can take land from individuals — it should be able to take this type of weaponry too.

re: #179 sagehen

Those schoolteachers in Israel, every last one of them, are combat veterans. And they’re all still in the reserves, with up-to-date training. If they have to go into battle this afternoon, against Egyptian tanks, on 2 hours notice, they’re ready.

Sounds like the definition of a well-regulated Militia!!

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Archangelus  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:24:53am

re: #156 makeitstop

Good point about the IDF, Arch - especially since those idiotic ‘schoolteacher in Israel with a rifle’ memes have come back into use of late. Thanks for that.

What memes?

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MsJ  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:27:15am

re: #160 Patricia Kayden

So what does repealing net neutrality have to do with promoting the Second Amendment, which I thought was supposed to be the NRA’s focus? The NRA is an extension of the Republican party.

It’s another case of “…Our man Ailes” (as in Bush Sr getting caught on a hot mic during a Limbaugh segment).

Team players being recognized. Anyone willing to fuck Americans is in their team.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:33:31am

re: #182 Archangelus

Wait, what memes?

here’s one of them:
snopes.com

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:33:35am

re: #181 Hecuba’s daughter

Sounds like the definition of a well-regulated Militia!!

Super well-regulated.

With few exceptions, all Israelis have mandatory military service; men for 3 years, women for 2 years. When they finish with active duty they go to the reserves with annual training — men until age 55, women until they bear a child. Reserves duty is optional for mothers (a majority choose to rejoin their unit once the kids reach school age).

If you’re physically/medically not deployable for combat… they find you a desk job. But you still have to put in the time.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:33:55am

So my friends anyone else get out to see Annihlation, spend a couple hours in the shimmer?
rottentomatoes.com

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:38:37am

re: #186 Unshaken Defiance

So my friends anyone else get out to see Annihlation, spend a couple hours in the shimmer?
rottentomatoes.com

Next weekend. This is recover-from-strep weekend.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:38:53am

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

If it doesn’t do burst fire or fully automatic fire

Then what was the M1 Garand? I’d certainly consider that a “weapon of war” along with the Arisaka Type 99 and the Karbiner 98k, both of which were bolt action.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:39:24am

re: #182 Archangelus

What memes?

This one’s probably most popular.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:39:50am

re: #186 Unshaken Defiance

So my friends anyone else get out to see Annihlation, spend a couple hours in the shimmer?
rottentomatoes.com

This may be the type of movie that I’m only willing to watch on the small screen. Am definitely not fond of certain levels of violence and can only tolerate them when they are much reduced in size and impact. For example, anything by Quentin Tarantino or Aliens films.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:40:08am

re: #185 sagehen

Hard to imagine that here. Parents will vote that right out. Never been invaded so tough to argue. No enemies at our gates.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:42:02am

re: #160 Patricia Kayden

So what does repealing net neutrality have to do with promoting the Second Amendment, which I thought was supposed to be the NRA’s focus? The NRA is an extension of the Republican party.

Answer—Ajit will see to it that those noisy kids are silenced on the net.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:42:12am

re: #178 Blind Frog Belly White

I honestly don’t know what the answer is, but I know that the AR15 seems uniquely problematic. Short of total confiscation, I don’t see how we rid ourselves of them, so we’re down to determining what features we can proscribe to make them less deadly in mass shootings.

We managed to get rid of machine guns.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:42:34am

re: #180 Unshaken Defiance

An effective regulation might focus mostly on capacity and rate. The AR comes in almost every caliber that can be made to feed through. From .22 to 7.62. I have a gun that runs the .223 5 shot bolt action. More dangerous to whatever is being well aimed at than an AR because bolt action accuracy with extra velocity in a long barrel. But unsuitable to the Vegas shooter by far. He was dangerous ten times a second instead of once every few seconds, so to speak.

If someone sells semi auto hunting rifles that have no magazine and only hold 5 rounds, probably a legit hunting gun. Not a modern war weapon.

California might have it about right. The goals-10 round capacity, can’t speed reload, can’t have a pistol grip, bayonet, sound suppressor or muzzle flash device. Not a ban. Regulated instead. It passed, it holds up under court scrutiny. I notice the 2nd A is unscathed.

Yep. And while there are a large number of “work arounds” to these issues (some of the stocks are actually better for shooting than the default) the most important facet of the California regulations (capacity and speed) are still intact in the end.

I’d like a nice old CMP M-1 Garand, preferably in .308 Winchester. It would still fit under those regulations except for the bayo lug and that can probably be C&R’d in.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:44:08am

re: #190 Hecuba’s daughter

Yeah, it has some horrific moments. Very hard R for violence.

I like the xenoform subgenre. This was an excellent if terribly explicit and sometimes confusing take

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jeffreyw  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:45:11am

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crumble top apple pie ala mode with cinnamon apple caramel syrup

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:47:10am

re: #191 Unshaken Defiance

Hard to imagine that here. Parents will vote that right out. Never been invaded so tough to argue. No enemies at our gates.

In 1973, Egypt made the mistake of thinking a Yom Kippur invasion would meet little resistance — “they’re all at services, not guarding the border”.

In actual fact, “they’re all at services” meant everyone was really easy to find, all within easy jogging distance of their reserves unit’s rally point and armory, and the roads were empty so people could get to where they were needed at their vehicles’ fastest possible speed.

Israel was able to muster and deploy 2 million fully trained, fully equipped, combat-ready troops in 90 minutes. I don’t think the U.S. could do that, even with a population 35 times bigger than theirs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:47:34am

re: #196 jeffreyw

[Embedded content]

crumble top apple pie ala mode with cinnamon apple caramel syrup

Oh that looks sooooooo goood but it’s sooooo bad for my blood sugar! 😔

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retired cynic  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:47:35am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:48:55am

re: #197 sagehen

In 1973, Egypt made the mistake of thinking a Yom Kippur invasion would meet little resistance — “they’re all at services, not guarding the border”.

In actual fact, “they’re all at services” meant everyone was really easy to find, all within easy jogging distance of their reserves unit’s rally point and armory, and the roads were empty so people could get to where they were needed at their vehicles’ fastest possible speed.

Israel was able to muster and deploy 2 million fully trained, fully equipped, combat-ready troops in 90 minutes. I don’t think the U.S. could do that, even with a population 35 times bigger than theirs.

Nope but maybe in a week we can get all of the Cliven Bundy Fan Club together…

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:50:06am

re: #166 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

So Todd and NRA members have a real hard time understanding plain English?

Delta

Delta is reaching out to the NRA to let them know we will be ending their contract for discounted rates through our group travel program. We will be requesting that the NRA remove our information from their website.

NRA mental midgets hear

You can’t fly with us anymore!!!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:50:47am

re: #199 retired cynic

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Let’s face the truth: traditional robbers cannot steal that much from a bank and are irrelevant; it’s those who can get in through the Internet that can really damage a bank and move serious sums of money.

— Edit to correct

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:52:22am

Interesting thread.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:55:13am

This ‘Man in the Hoodie’ account is becoming one of my favorites.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:55:22am
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Archangelus  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:56:06am

re: #189 makeitstop

This one’s probably most popular.

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Oh FFS!!!!!

Sigh, NOT a schoolteacher.
The teachers themselves aren’t authorized to carry weapons at all, per Israeli government guidelines going back decades. The exception to that rule are IDF educational instructors giving standard pre-draft classes on what graduates may expect on entering IDF service, and they’re required to hand over their ammunition to the school’s security chief on entering the place.

The only time you’ll see non-uniformed Israelis with weapons by groups of schoolchildren is when those Israelis are VOLUNTEER PARENTS (“Horeh Melaveh”, literally ‘accompanying parent’) accompanying the kids on annual excursions (“Tiulim shnatiim”).
While not all excursions require that the volunteers be armed, many excursions must have a predetermined number of volunteer guards - usually two for groups of up to 60 kids - be armed with a government-approved weapon, and all of them must coordinate with relevant officials and have prior IDF experience, men and women alike.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:00:48am
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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:01:25am

re: #206 Archangelus

Oh FFS!!!!!

Sigh, NOT a schoolteacher.
The teachers themselves aren’t authorized to carry weapons at all, per Israeli government guidelines going back decades. The exception to that rule are IDF educational instructors giving standard pre-draft classes on what graduates may expect on entering IDF service, and they’re required to hand over their ammunition to the school’s security chief on entering the place.

The only time you’ll see non-uniformed Israelis with weapons by groups of schoolchildren is when those Israelis are VOLUNTEER PARENTS (“Horeh Melaveh”, literally ‘accompanying parent’) accompanying the kids on annual excursions (“Tiulim shnatiim”).
While not all excursions require that the volunteers be armed, many excursions must have a predetermined number of volunteer guards - usually two for groups of up to 60 kids - be armed with a government-approved weapon, and all of them must coordinate with relevant officials and have prior IDF experience, men and women alike.

So much good info on this thread today! Thank you.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:01:33am

re: #193 Belafon

We managed to get rid of machine guns.

Rid? No, but we did heavily regulate and (for the time) heavily tax them. The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of the weapon and payment of a $200 tax (~$4000 today) with only one amnesty in 1968. A similar amnesty and registration would be necessary, legally, in any attempt at restricting the AR/AK class of weapons beyond California levels.

But the reality is that any one with the money can own a machine gun. Follow the rules & have fun. We need to make that ethic apply to AR/AK weapons as well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:03:15am

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

Then what was the M1 Garand? I’d certainly consider that a “weapon of war” along with the Arisaka Type 99 and the Karbiner 98k, both of which were bolt action.

Exactly. Gun nuts want to claim that an AR15 isn’t a weapon of war because it’s not fully automatic, but most vets I’ve heard from say they didn’t generally use the M16 and descendents on full automatic anyway. So it’s misdirection.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:03:35am

re: #196 jeffreyw

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crumble top apple pie ala mode with cinnamon apple caramel syrup

you do this on purpose, dont you?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:09:09am

re: #199 retired cynic

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To be fair, though, bank robbers don’t go to banks to kill people. They just want to take the money and run. Mass shooters want to kill people.

The Older Boy got in trouble at Safeway early on because he challenged someone who was stealing a bunch of unpaid-for groceries. It seemed to him like a perfectly normal thing for employees to do, to stop people stealing from the store.

But really, it’s just money. And of course for Safeway, if he’d gotten injured or killed trying to stop a theft, it could have been a huge liability problem.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:09:57am

what the fashionable young wingnuts are telling themselves about the next election

You don’t get it. A Democrat against a RINO, the Democrat will win. That is what your statistics are saying. If the Republicans “primary” that RINO and nominate a MAGA, the MAGA will win. That is what my statistics are saying.
Midterms are won by who has the best message and the most energy — what party can best “get out the vote”. You won - at least five elections - in the last round by voter fraud. That is going to be taken away. When you also take away, and we will, the more than 2 million illegal alien vote, Hillary did not win the popular vote. We are picking off at least 30% of the black vote, and 40% of the hispanic vote. The country has swung to the right. 33 states are now Republican.
Your Party does not have a viable message. The Democrat message is — “”We are the white men in suits, the elite white liberal establishment — who went to Harvard. You are stuck with us. We deserve to be in control because we are ruthless, we have “the will to power” and we want to be in control, and we want to micromanage everything. But we can’t tell you what we are going to do because you won’t like it, so we are going to exploit your emotions and also the stuff some of you identify with. We will make accusations and call our opponents names. We will exploit emotional issues like Gun Control. And we will change the subject when people bring up how we abandoned DACA.”
In the next election, people, including a lot of working Democrats, are going to vote for immigration reform and jobs, the wall. They literally hate the MSM. The Saul Alinsky strategy does not work any more. It makes people angry.

You are living in a bubble. You have no idea how angry the public is at the DNC & the MSM — including Democrats. Even California has become, or will become, a red state. This is not your mother’s DNC. This is the corrupt Soros DNC. Your party is imploding. Soros refuses to let it make adjustments — he is stuffing all moderate voices. And he is trying to impose Hillary again as your next presidential candidate. The oddsmakers have her leading. You have lost between 30% and 50% of your voters. Soros has turned it into the LGBTQ, black communist racist, Agenda 21, Saul Alinski Party. Many Democrats are not saying they are leaving the Party. They are saying the Party has left them — Soros pushed the envelope too too far to the left.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:13:17am

re: #213 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what the fashionable young wingnuts are telling themselves about the next election

Apparently being fashionable does not preclude one from being a delusional imbecile. Tons of projection going on there.

Where’s that from?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:15:04am

re: #214 makeitstop

Apparently being fashionable does not preclude one from being a delusional imbecile. Tons of projection going on there.

Where’s that from?

breitbart

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:16:25am

re: #215 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

breitbart

I should have guessed.

Alinsky/Soros. Heh. It’ll never get old for them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:20:04am

re: #213 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“You are living in a bubble” That’s funny. I saw a quiz from Charles “I’m not a racist!” Murray to determine if you live in a bubble. The thing about it is, all the questions are aimed at determining whether you live in a diverse metro area and are educated. If so, you live in a bubble.

But it didn’t turn the question around. It didn’t ask whether you live in a place surrounded by people like yourself. It presumed that being uneducated and living in a homogeneous exurb or rural area was the default, and if you didn’t do that, you’re in the bubble.

But MOST Americans live in metro areas. Not many Americans work in factories anymore.

So, who’s in the bubble?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:20:24am

Moron on my FB: “Where are all the conservative high schoolers standing up to these stupid kids?”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:20:39am

re: #216 makeitstop

I should have guessed.

Alinsky/Soros. Heh. It’ll never get old for them.

it’s the 21st cen version of “protocols of the elders of zion”

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:20:47am

A musician friend here on Long Island has been spitting straight fire in the wake of Parkland. He’s been dogging Lee Zeldin hard for taking NRA money. This is a great post.

Facebook Post

(BTW - If any of you are familiar with the actress Amy Hargreaves, she’s his sister. And Mick is as fine a musician as they come here on LI.)

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:22:36am

re: #218 Eclectic Cyborg

Moron on my FB: “Where are all the conservative high schoolers standing up to these stupid kids?”

Well…one of them was the creep who shot up the school in the first place, and the other* got caught in a scandal of trying to smear CNN with doctored emails.

*Until I get evidence to the contrary, however, I’m going to blame that kid’s jerk of a father.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:22:47am

re: #202 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s face the truth: traditional robbers cannot steal that much from a bank and are irrelevant; it’s those who can get in through the Internet that can really damage a bank and move serious sums of money.

— Edit to correct

“You can arm yourself, alarm yourself
But there’s nowhere you can run
‘cause a man with a briefcase
Can steal more money
Than any man with a gun”
—- Don Henley - Gimme What You Got

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:24:01am

re: #209 William Lewis

Rid? No, but we did heavily regulate and (for the time) heavily tax them. The National Firearms Act of 1934 required the registration of the weapon and payment of a $200 tax (~$4000 today) with only one amnesty in 1968. A similar amnesty and registration would be necessary, legally, in any attempt at restricting the AR/AK class of weapons beyond California levels.

But the reality is that any one with the money can own a machine gun. Follow the rules & have fun. We need to make that ethic apply to AR/AK weapons as well.

Thanks. I will add that to all that other stuff in my head.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:24:13am

re: #217 Blind Frog Belly White

“You are living in a bubble” That’s funny. I saw a quiz from Charles “I’m not a racist!” Murray to determine if you live in a bubble. The thing about it is, all the questions are aimed at determining whether you live in a diverse metro area and are educated. If so, you live in a bubble.

But it didn’t turn the question around. It didn’t ask whether you live in a place surrounded by people like yourself. It presumed that being uneducated and living in a homogeneous exurb or rural area was the default, and if you didn’t do that, you’re in the bubble.

But MOST Americans live in metro areas. Not many Americans work in factories anymore.

So, who’s in the bubble?

a current rwnj meme is that the founders designed the electoral college to protect real americans from the tyranny of the majority: the “mob” of elites and their ignorant immigrant hoards

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gwangung  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:25:28am

re: #217 Blind Frog Belly White

“You are living in a bubble” That’s funny. I saw a quiz from Charles “I’m not a racist!” Murray to determine if you live in a bubble. The thing about it is, all the questions are aimed at determining whether you live in a diverse metro area and are educated. If so, you live in a bubble.

But it didn’t turn the question around. It didn’t ask whether you live in a place surrounded by people like yourself. It presumed that being uneducated and living in a homogeneous exurb or rural area was the default, and if you didn’t do that, you’re in the bubble.

But MOST Americans live in metro areas. Not many Americans work in factories anymore.

So, who’s in the bubble?

We ALL live in bubbles. The numbers are too great for it to be otherwise.

It’s just that metro areas have MORE PEOPLE than in other areas. And as a natural consequence in a democracy, people there have more influence than people in other areas.

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Weaselone  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:31:38am

re: #225 gwangung

We ALL live in bubbles. The numbers are too great for it to be otherwise.

It’s just that metro areas have MORE PEOPLE than in other areas. And as a natural consequence in a democracy, has more influence than people in other areas.

Metro areas have more people and are more diverse so the bubbles are bigger and not as homogenous inside. In addition, they’re centers of trade and culture, so you generally have a far greater influx of new/different ideas and cultures…so I guess it’s tough to consider metro areas bubbles at all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:33:15am
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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:33:58am

re: #121 Unshaken Defiance

Japs and Injuns don’t count because they aren’t white Christians.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:35:24am
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Woods Witch  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:44:06am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s being roasted in the replies. I love the smell of Schadenfreud in the early afternoon

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NetworkKed  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:44:21am

Watching the PUBG event from Katowice this morning - that’s the sort of gun fetish I can get behind: all virtual.

Anyway, so I’m a bit confuzzled about the Dem “reply memo” release. A couple weeks back, Trump basically said “no, I won’t release it, nyah nyah”. But the (exec branch) agencies did redaction on it and it was actually released this weekend.

So… what changed? I’ve been looking in the reporting, but other than some comments about the two sides within the committee (wow, is that actually the right spelling) being in negotiations about it I haven’t found any discussion of whether Trump signed off on doing so or if somehow it got out through a different declassification path, or who changed their mind in general, or even any analysis of why.

I feel like I’m being gaslighted, kinda.

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jeffreyw  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:49:45am

re: #211 dangerman

you do this on purpose, dont you?

Well, actually…
The pie was put together by Mrs J. I will credit myself for the syrup/ice cream combo. She cuts up the apples, sugars them, and lets them drain in a colander. I saved the juice and reduced it with brown sugar and cinnamon, then stirred in butter and a wee dab of cream.

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allegro  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:51:11am

re: #231 NetworkKed

Watching the PUBG event from Katowice this morning - that’s the sort of gun fetish I can get behind: all virtual.

Anyway, so I’m a bit confuzzled about the Dem “reply memo” release. A couple weeks back, Trump basically said “no, I won’t release it, nyah nyah”. But the (exec branch) agencies did redaction on it and it was actually released this weekend.

So… what changed? I’ve been looking in the reporting, but other than some comments about the two sides within the committee (wow, is that actually the right spelling) being in negotiations about it I haven’t found any discussion of whether Trump signed off on doing so or if somehow it got out through a different declassification path, or who changed their mind in general, or even any analysis of why.

I feel like I’m being gaslighted, kinda.

I believe Trump released the redacted version just by coincidence at the time he and the GOP were getting pummeled over the NRA school shooting thing. Certainly no diversion intended. Nope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:53:14am
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Jay C  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:53:33am

re: #213 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what the fashionable young wingnuts are telling themselves about the next election

You don’t get it. A Democrat against a RINO, the Democrat will win. That is what your statistics are saying. If the Republicans “primary” that RINO and nominate a MAGA, the MAGA will win. That is what my statistics are saying.
Midterms are won by who has the best message and the most energy — what party can best “get out the vote”. You won - at least five elections - in the last round by voter fraud. That is going to be taken away. When you also take away, and we will, the more than 2 million illegal alien vote, Hillary did not win the popular vote. We are picking off at least 30% of the black vote, and 40% of the hispanic vote. The country has swung to the right. 33 states are now Republican.
Your Party does not have a viable message. The Democrat message is — “”We are the white men in suits, the elite white liberal establishment — who went to Harvard. You are stuck with us. We deserve to be in control because we are ruthless, we have “the will to power” and we want to be in control, and we want to micromanage everything. But we can’t tell you what we are going to do because you won’t like it, so we are going to exploit your emotions and also the stuff some of you identify with. We will make accusations and call our opponents names. We will exploit emotional issues like Gun Control. And we will change the subject when people bring up how we abandoned DACA.”
In the next election, people, including a lot of working Democrats, are going to vote for immigration reform and jobs, the wall. They literally hate the MSM. The Saul Alinsky strategy does not work any more. It makes people angry.

You are living in a bubble. You have no idea how angry the public is at the DNC & the MSM — including Democrats. Even California has become, or will become, a red state. This is not your mother’s DNC. This is the corrupt Soros DNC. Your party is imploding. Soros refuses to let it make adjustments — he is stuffing all moderate voices. And he is trying to impose Hillary again as your next presidential candidate. The oddsmakers have her leading. You have lost between 30% and 50% of your voters. Soros has turned it into the LGBTQ, black communist racist, Agenda 21, Saul Alinski Party. Many Democrats are not saying they are leaving the Party. They are saying the Party has left them — Soros pushed the envelope too too far to the left.

This sounds less like an analysis of voting for the next election, and way more like whistling past the graveyard. Though it’s not quite “whistling”, but driving past the graveyard with an amped-up sound truck blaring heavy metal at Amp-11….

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:01:38am

Am I an asshole for thinking a big part of the problem is so many people think of guns in terms of “sport” or “something fun to do”?

Guns are for killing. Animals and humans. Am I also an asshole for being frightened of people who think shooting animals is somehow awesome and fun?

I grew up with guns and hunting as part of our family experience. My grandfather ate everything he killed. He grew up sustenance hunting because they were poor and meat was expensive. I get that. But most hunting today isn’t about that. Am I an asshole for hating all of this?

I just found out my husband bought an AR 10 (he had a friend buy it and is hiding it for him) without telling me and is planning on killing a bear this year. Why? Because his best friend loves killing shit for fun. I guess this shit means more than I do. Sitting here in the ICU looking at my husband’s phone while this shithead sends him pictures of “the new baby”. This guy, my husband’s best friend ever, is a gulf war vet, had to kill someone, and still loves guns. Am I an asshole for hating this bullshit?

If that makes me an asshole, I no longer give a fuck.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:04:10am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Narrator: Actually he’s not processing it at all.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:06:18am

re: #224 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

a current rwnj meme is that the founders designed the electoral college to protect real americans from the tyranny of the majority: the “mob” of elites and their ignorant immigrant hoards

Gah! I can’t take much more of these tortured political arguments. I guess using logic, history, facts, law and all that real kind of stuff to come to a reasonable thought process is just not in a wingnut’s wheelhouse.

Instead, come up with the most far-fetched, outlandish, unworkable, unconstitutional, unlawful bullcrap ever and think it is reality. And then defend that illogic to the extreme.

America 21st Century…La La Land.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:06:19am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am so confused. Aren’t you British?

Yeah, who asked you, Nigel?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:06:43am

re: #236 A Mom Anon

I enjoy target shooting, both on my property (I live rural) and at a range.

If I am not doing either of those two things my weapons are locked up. A lot of people I know like to deer hunt but hunting is not for me.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:08:16am

We can haz glimmer of hope?

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:10:20am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Hey Marco

How about we just call them “x” from now on?
(Or dog kennels)

Satisfied?

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petesh  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:11:17am

re: #222 Eventual Carrion

“You can arm yourself, alarm yourself
But there’s nowhere you can run
‘cause a man with a briefcase
Can steal more money
Than any man with a gun”
—- Don Henley - Gimme What You Got

Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered
I’ve seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.
—Woody Guthrie, Pretty Boy Floyd (1939)

Bob Dylan’s version is excellent, on the Folkways: A Vision Shared tribute album

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:12:25am

re: #225 gwangung

We ALL live in bubbles. The numbers are too great for it to be otherwise.

It’s just that metro areas have MORE PEOPLE than in other areas. And as a natural consequence in a democracy, people there have more influence than people in other areas.

Are bubbles confined to physical space?

I think people can form up all kinds of bubbles and live in them.

Take Fox News for example. One big bubble that goes from Metro to backroads.

Another example, a lot of rural people watch big city news by cable/satellite/net and they hear of all those big city troubles and they react like all of it is coming to mythical Shrunkville Ohio (pop 350 down from 10000 in the past) so they run out and buy an AR and vote Republican to protect themselves from Cleveland.

Yeah, we have a lot of bubbleheads.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:12:34am

re: #236 A Mom Anon

They all want to shoot the bear, but no one wants to pick it up.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:12:41am

re: #241 Interesting Times

Pretty obvious to me that “Trump Country” is the Deep South, the one true remaining Republican stronghold. As much as people talk crap about the Midwest, there are just enough liberals and moderates here to preserve a very tenuous balance. Especially on the fringes.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:12:56am

Slate has pics from the CPAC exhibit hall. Not sue if I need to laugh or cry. (or drink).

CPAC exhibit hall

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:13:15am
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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:14:10am

re: #247 I Would Prefer Not To

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:14:49am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting image in that Tweet. RIck Scott looks like he either has a halo or is being targeted.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:16:10am

re: #250 ObserverArt

Interesting image in that Tweet. RIck Scott looks like he either has a halo or is being targeted.

Or decided to wear a goldfish bowl on his head.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:16:31am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Marco, Marco, Marco…

Don’t you realize everyone can see the strings?

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:19:06am

re: #245 jaunte

I don’t want to be around people who think killing is fun. And right now that includes someone I love.

I literally can’t and I’m all the fuck out of evens.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:21:46am

re: #253 A Mom Anon

I don’t want to be around people who think killing is fun. And right now that includes someone I love.

I literally can’t and I’m all the fuck out of evens.

That … just plain sucks, to be honest. I’m sorry.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:23:38am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Rubio is a goddamned idiot. Assault weapons are intrinsically rapid fire (semi-auto.) Also, I can’t say with absolute certainty that “most hunting rifles” are bolt actions, but I’m like 99% sure of that too as well if we define the term as “rifles actually used to hunt.”

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:25:19am

Having to fish a gut-shot deer out of your pond will put you right off hunting.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:27:16am

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

Rubio is a goddamned idiot. Assault weapons are intrinsically rapid fire (semi-auto.) Also, I can’t say with absolute certainty that “most hunting rifles” are bolt actions, but I’m like 99% sure of that too as well if we define the term as “rifles actually used to hunt.”

There are some that hunt with lever actions. As I understand it, lever actions are somewhat of a historical tradition for hunting in Africa. I don’t really know many people in the rifle hunting business - in my part of the country, you hunt with a bow or a shotgun - but the few rifle deer hunters I do know have a bolt-action rifle somewhere north of .270 caliber, but rarely bigger than a .308.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:29:40am

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

Rubio is a goddamned idiot. Assault weapons are intrinsically rapid fire (semi-auto.) Also, I can’t say with absolute certainty that “most hunting rifles” are bolt actions, but I’m like 99% sure of that too as well if we define the term as “rifles actually used to hunt.”

Call me crazy but seems a hunting rifle does not need a removable magazine. Or more than 10 rounds.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:32:16am

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

Rubio is a goddamned idiot. Assault weapons are intrinsically rapid fire (semi-auto.) Also, I can’t say with absolute certainty that “most hunting rifles” are bolt actions, but I’m like 99% sure of that too as well if we define the term as “rifles actually used to hunt.”

Come on GDFrank, that’s the gun money talking. He’s drunk on NRA juice.

So in effect, you just called the vaunted NRA gun stupid.

Which is not really far from the truth. Carry on.

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A Cranky One  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:34:19am

re: #258 Unshaken Defiance

Call me crazy but seems a hunting rifle does not need a removable magazine. Or more than 10 rounds.

Depends on what you are hunting. Certainly not for most game. If you’re hunting people, on the other hand, ….

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:35:35am

re: #258 Unshaken Defiance

My former factory manager is/was a deer hunter. He never fired a shot (yet). As he explained it you were expected to have a good shot at the deer before you fired. You didn’t know if anybody was beyond the deer. If you fired and missed you could expect a long and loud ride home.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:38:08am

re: #261 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

My former factory manager is/was a deer hunter. He never fired a shot (yet). As he explained it you were expected to have a good shot at the deer before you fired. You didn’t know if anybody was beyond the deer. If you fired and missed you could expect a long and loud ride home.

Several of my cow-orkers and their family hunt deer together. They are merciless when it comes to making fun of one another when it comes to missing a shot. Unless it’s your first time out, you’re expected to either hold fire or bring the animal home.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:38:36am

So can someone tell me what the actual fuck an AR-10 would be useful for hunting wise? I need to know this. Now is not the time for confrontation (as much as I want to slap someone), but it will be happening and I want to be,ahem, armed with the correct info.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:38:50am

re: #261 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

To follow up, I remember the reason was that his friends would form a line, so depending on where the deer was one of his friends could be on the other side of the deer.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:41:35am

re: #258 Unshaken Defiance

Call me crazy but seems a hunting rifle does not need a removable magazine. Or more than 10 rounds.

You’ve never hunted deathclaws.
/

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:42:47am

re: #256 jaunte

Having to fish a gut-shot deer out of your pond will put you right off hunting.

Fuck, I’d be pissed. In or out of season.

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SteelPH  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:44:07am

re: #265 Varek Raith

You’ve never hunted deathclaws.
/

You dare question my super hearted saturnie power fist?!
/

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A Cranky One  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:44:33am

re: #263 A Mom Anon

So can someone tell me what the actual fuck an AR-10 would be useful for hunting wise? I need to know this. Now is not the time for confrontation (as much as I want to slap someone), but it will be happening and I want to be,ahem, armed with the correct info.

The only thing I can see an AR-10 being legitimately used to hunt is feral hogs. Do you have problems with feral hogs in the area?

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:44:57am

This thread might be about romance novels, but damned if she isn’t talking about MSM narratives as well (*cough* NYtimes bothsiderism *cough*):

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:45:21am

As I remember, golfers and hunters will buy anything. I can’t tell you how much golf related junk mail I get, and my manager would have some stuff shipped to the factory rather than have it left outside his door. You should have seen how much junk mail came in.

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:45:55am

re: #224 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

a current rwnj meme is that the founders designed the electoral college to protect real americans from the tyranny of the majority: the “mob” of elites and their ignorant immigrant hoards

The founders designed the electoral college to give slave states (which had very few voters, but their slaves counted towards population/electoral vote) outsized weight in national elections.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:46:49am

re: #261 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

My former factory manager is/was a deer hunter. He never fired a shot (yet). As he explained it you were expected to have a good shot at the deer before you fired. You didn’t know if anybody was beyond the deer. If you fired and missed you could expect a long and loud ride home.

Also, if you do shoot and kill the deer you’ve got a godawful amount of messy work ahead of you.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:48:56am

re: #267 SteelPH

You dare question my super hearted saturnie power fist?!
/

Shit, I dunno, meleeing a deathclaw?
In NV?
Nope.
:P

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:49:25am

re: #268 A Cranky One
There are where they go hunt. He insists on bringing that disgusting shit home for us to eat too. I don’t want it. It ends up in the trash after being in the freezer for a year before I pitch it. I am so angry right now I could breathe fire.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:49:28am

re: #270 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

As I remember, golfers and hunters will buy anything. I can’t tell you how much golf related junk mail I get, and my manager would have some stuff shipped to the factory rather than have it left outside his door. You should have seen how much junk mail came in.

Also, audiophiles. Who, by the time they can afford all the shit they’ve been drooling over, can’t hear half the fucking frequencies anyway.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:50:00am

re: #263 A Mom Anon

So can someone tell me what the actual fuck an AR-10 would be useful for hunting wise? I need to know this. Now is not the time for confrontation (as much as I want to slap someone), but it will be happening and I want to be,ahem, armed with the correct info.

Excuse me for saying this, but from what I know your husband could do just as well with a nice bolt-action traditional long barrel rifle.

So if hunting is his goal, then he wants the bad-boy, awesome look, and politically incorrect AR to go with it. Well, it is semi-automatic long barrel, but he can get that in a traditional style too.

He can shoot animals with either. So the difference is…obvious to me. Fashion. The Look. Cool.

But then, I am not a gun owner, hunter. I have shot guns, but that was a long long time ago. I am around a lot of gun people though…like some clients, brother, relatives.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:50:39am

re: #269 Interesting Times

For some reason that tweet made me think of a movie called “The Boy in the Striped Pajamas”. It was a hell of a movie, but I wonder how many people realized that while they were so concerned about whether the kommandant’s son would get swept into the gas chamber, hundreds of people were getting shoved in too, but the director was able to make the story all about the one non-Jewish kid.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:50:54am

re: #247 I Would Prefer Not To

[Embedded content]

That claim by Shiva saying he invented e-mail is completely debunked, and when he tried to sue news organizations who exposed his lie they were thrown out of court.

Here’s a more concise history, including all of the contributions of ARAPANET by one of the major players in its development, David Crocker:

washingtonpost.com

Crocker’s money quote regarding the Ayyandurai fraud:

E-mail is the product of collaboration among many innovators, each incrementally advancing the technology. In my experience, I have seen no controversy about the nature or origins of e-mail prior to recent articles in Time and The Washington Post, and the Smithsonian National Museum of American History’s decision this past February to acquire documents relating to the creation of a more localized program called “EMAIL.”

The reports incorrectly credited its author, a 14-year old in the late 1970s, as the “inventor” of e-mail, long after it had become an established service on the ARPANET. He called his system “EMAIL” and later copyrighted the software. Unfortunately, the articles neglected the contributions of individuals widely regarded as the true e-mail inventors. Many are still active, some — too many to name — even took the time to review this piece. The Post has already acknowledged its error and I appreciate the publication’s affording me this opportunity to provide a personal account of that time and that community.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:52:32am

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

Also, if you do shoot and kill the deer you’ve got a godawful amount of messy work ahead of you.

I’ve gone fishing a few times, but I just go for the boat ride. The last thing I want to do is actually catch a fish.

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petesh  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:52:59am

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

Also, audiophiles. Who, by the time they can afford all the shit they’ve been drooling over, can’t hear half the fucking frequencies anyway.

Sssh, you’ll hurt their feelings. I was once advised to sit exactly there, and close my eyes, and feast on the perfect quad version of Dark Side of the Moon. I dunno, mostly it sounded like Pink Floyd to me.

(I can, however, tell the diff between 128 & 320 & CD & LP. Usually.)

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:54:24am

re: #276 ObserverArt
He has a regular rifle. This is just stupid man baby bullshit. An entire fucking mortgage payment.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:56:52am

re: #272 goddamnedfrank
Around here there are places you can take a dead animal and they will process it for you. So you don’t even have to get your hands that bloody. I’m really fucking angry and disgusted right now

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:59:39am

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

Rubio is a goddamned idiot. Assault weapons are intrinsically rapid fire (semi-auto.) Also, I can’t say with absolute certainty that “most hunting rifles” are bolt actions, but I’m like 99% sure of that too as well if we define the term as “rifles actually used to hunt.”

NOT aimed at you, and yes rubio is an ass:

First, I do see “this time” as a some sort of change. The kids are mad, mobilized, and they have tools. And mad skills.

Cribbed from one of my old page posts:

So far, what i see from “the adults” is what i always see after every newsworthy event.

They want to argue the 2A. to get down in the weeds and stay there and distract from the overarching problem. So there are twisted and tortured interpretations of what the 2A really means, militias, well regulated, competency, forced buy backs / Australia, the purpose of a gun, why I want a gun, why you need a gun, why no one needs a gun, or any other ‘justification’ - all the comparisons to cars, registrations, insurance, etc. Special manufacturer protection laws, databases, permits, buy limits, waiting periods, ammo taxes, bans, training, “guns make you safer”, “no they don’t.”

Most of this is constitutionally impossible stuff no matter how “common sense”. The rest are politically non-starters.

And years after I wrote this I still sit angry, sad and helpless while, yet again, everyone argues over the first clause, the second clause, “the comma”, whether clip or magazine is correct, and whether “assault weapon” is a proper term. Oh, and psych evals.

I am neither for or against the 2nd amendment as such. It exists. I am certain that its “meaning” will neither be “revealed” nor ever made more clear in some other way.

The easiest place to start to effect change is to promote personal responsibility. Basic, unambiguous laws that affix strict responsibility / liability for bad behavior to the individual - where everyone says it already is.

The framework to get started is “a broad 2A interpretation” coupled with “we are responsible gun owners”.

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MsJ  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:01:32pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

Also, if you do shoot and kill the deer you’ve got a godawful amount of messy work ahead of you.

Understanding how you field dress a deer put me off of hunting forever.

I like target shooting (and I’m pretty good at it) and I like venison, but I’m not cutting the asshole out of anything.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:02:09pm

re: #282 A Mom Anon

Around here there are places you can take a dead animal and they will process it for you. So you don’t even have to get your hands that bloody. I’m really fucking angry and disgusted right now

You still have to gut, drain and get as much heat out of the center of the deer as quickly as possible if you don’t want the meat to taste like garbage. Also, even with a buddy helping, moving a whole ass dead deer in one piece to your vehicle without field dressing it first is probably a good way to get a hernia.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:02:45pm

re: #282 A Mom Anon

Around here there are places you can take a dead animal and they will process it for you. So you don’t even have to get your hands that bloody. I’m really fucking angry and disgusted right now

That’s the way most Ohio deer hunters do it too. I do believe you still need to field dress* the animal before taking it to a processor.

*Doesn’t that sound pleasant! Gutting/skinning is just so barbaric.

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:03:29pm

Reading this hunting stuff is hard.
Strange, considering I play violent video games.
/:P

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:04:54pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

They cut the deer and pigs into pieces and chill them, then take them to the butcher shop for processing.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:05:52pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

You still have to gut, drain and get as much heat out of the center of the deer as quickly as possible if you don’t want the meat to taste like garbage. Also, even with a buddy helping, moving a whole ass dead deer in one piece to your vehicle without field dressing it first is probably a good way to get a hernia.

An old fave

Two amateur hunters were dragging their dead deer back to their car one day when another hunter approached pulling his deer along too.
He watched them and said, “Hey, I don’t want to tell you how to do something but I can tell you it’s much easier if you drag the deer in the other direction. Then the antlers won’t dig into the ground.”

With that he left them, still dragging his deer behind him.

A short time later one of them said to the other, “You know, that guy was right. This is a lot easier!”

The second replied, “Yeah, but we’re getting farther and farther from the truck.”

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:06:43pm

re: #289 dangerman

Oy.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:14:53pm

re: #252 ObserverArt

Marco, Marco, Marco…

Don’t you realize everyone can see the strings?

A much more fitting image is that there’s an arm shoved up their ass and they’re being controlled like a puppet. If you’re controlled by strings, at least you can become a real boy.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:15:45pm

“Wild hogs.”

Which actually means, “feral hogs that hybridized with boars brought over to hunt on enclosed ranges (that got away because…not stupid) that eat garbage and human detritus.”

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calochortus  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:18:39pm

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

Also, audiophiles. Who, by the time they can afford all the shit they’ve been drooling over, can’t hear half the fucking frequencies anyway.

LOL. My brother recently bought a new system and in discussing it with the sales guy was asked what his current (50 year old) speakers were. Not being an audiophile, I can’t recall the brand, but it was high end. So when he told the salesman, he immediately added that he shouldn’t expect to sell him those again because being in his 60s he wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:21:32pm

re: #263 A Mom Anon

So can someone tell me what the actual fuck an AR-10 would be useful for hunting wise? I need to know this. Now is not the time for confrontation (as much as I want to slap someone), but it will be happening and I want to be,ahem, armed with the correct info.

The AR10 was an early version of what would become the AR15. It was made in .308 which is a common big game cartridge in North America as well as used by the military. Because it was bigger and heavier than the AR15 it didn’t offer any benifit over the Army’s then current M-14. They revised it using a new cartridge.

The AR10, because it can be chambered for larger “real” if you will, hunting cartridges is actually not a bad hunting rifle. I have considered one in .243 Winchester in the past for deer hunting. It would, in fact, be a decent rifle for bear hunting if that’s what he wants to do with it.

It is not as good a rifle for mass shooters for many of the reasons that the the M-1A (the civilian version of the M-14) isn’t - heavy, bigger, much more recoil, takes skill to use effectily and so on.

The designs look very similar due to them coming from the same person - Gene Stoner - but the one was a better hunting rifle than military weapon and vice-versa.

Now none of this excuses his buying it without a long discussion with his partner. My ex knew every firearm I bought and where the money came from to buy them (usually selling other ones).

If you have any other questions, please ask.


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