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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:10:50pm

I have to admit I had a moment right at the end when the last panel guy talked about how important it is for media and journalists to do things carefully and acknowledge and correct mistakes. Because after all, Dan Rather still hasn’t acknowledged that the Killian Memos he trumpeted on 60 Minutes were blatant fakes.

But he’s not sounding too well these days - slurring and mispronouncing words more and more.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:19:48pm
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allegro  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:21:00pm

What I heard the guy on the right say: When the press reports reality, the right hears leftist bias.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:21:47pm

re: #2 makeitstop

Congress doesn’t even let people bring books into the Capitol Gallery, let alone guns.

They don’t allow phones or papers into the Gallery.

Yeah, guns? Why is it that they think more guns will make a school safer, but demand not only everyone disarm in their legislative building but also not even bring books or phones to the Capitol to see them in action.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:22:04pm

I thought CNN and MSNBC were doing a pretty good job of journalists being more than stenographers. And then there’s the reporting from the Washington Post and Newsweek.

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A Cranky One  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:25:57pm

re: #3 allegro

What I heard the guy on the right say: When the press reports reality, the right hears leftist bias.

Just look at how many Faux news viewers absolutely detest Shep Smith, since he often reports facts that counter the propaganda spewed all day.

Reality has a liberal bias.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:29:21pm

This is interesting. It seems that Feinstein is being credibly challenged from the left:

The California Democratic Party denied U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein an endorsement at its state convention Saturday, a sign of liberal discontent with the establishment among grassroots members.

Ms. Feinstein’s opponent, Kevin de León, president pro tempore in the state Senate, captured 54% of the vote among delegates here. Sixty percent of the votes were needed to capture the party’s official endorsement ahead of the June 5 primary.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:34:09pm

re: #7 Belafon

This is interesting. It seems that Feinstein is being credibly challenged from the left:

But, as people point out in the comments, she’ll easily win the state due to California’s top two election system.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:35:03pm

re: #8 Belafon

But, as people point out in the comments, she’ll easily win the state due to California’s top two election system.

I hope not.

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electrotek  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:41:20pm
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petesh  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:47:10pm

re: #8 Belafon

But, as people point out in the comments, she’ll easily win the state due to California’s top two election system.

Most of the early negative comments say “she’s too old” (which is reasonable) but then some say “she’s too corporatist” (which is also reasonable, but different). I suspect that the latter is driving at least some of the former.

I used to be quite anti-Feinstein; but actually I’ve been rather impressed with her over the last year, so I’m unsure. I might well vote for her.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:51:42pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Well he is 86 now. The clock is ticking.

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Danack  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:54:10pm

re: #10 electrotek

Looks like a gas explosion in the house, or possibly a meth lab.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:55:36pm

In other words, Trump has lived his entire life in the rich asshole bubble, where his life is so ordered that the top priority for everyone else around him is to make the rich asshole happy.

Now this model is being tried in the US presidency, surprising nobody. What could possibly go wrong?

Here we have to note that Trump’s dogshit first year in office is what will pass for cruise control in this administration when faced with no significant domestic* or foreign issues.

*The media is complicit in allowing the Puerto Rico situation to drop out of the news.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:55:53pm

And practically in my own damn neighborhood: Details Released In Major Weapons Bust In East Patchogue

Authorities have released details on the arrest of an East Patchogue man for allegedly selling an illegal AR-15 assault rifle and four large capacity ammunition feeding devices to a person he believed to be prohibited from owning a gun.

Larry Guerrieri, 65, was arrested Wednesday following the execution of a search warrant at his home on Peekskill Avenue by Suffolk County Police detectives assigned to the District Attorney’s Squad and Emergency Services Section officers. The investigation began with a tip provided by an investigator in the Suffolk County Police Department’s Pistol Licensing Bureau, Suffolk County DA Tim Sini said during a press conference Thursday afternoon.

The search warrant resulted in the seizure of:

Four assault rifles, at least three of which are illegal in New York
19 various rifles and shotguns
25 handguns
10 illegal assorted knives
8 military-style ammunition containers filled with thousands of various caliber rounds of ammunition
More than 50 large capacity ammunition feeding devices, including a 50-round magazine drum

This guy hangs out at a bar that I frequent. I always figured he was just some old hippie dude.

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 12:58:34pm

re: #7 Belafon

This is interesting. It seems that Feinstein is being credibly challenged from the left:

from wikipedia:

Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein (/ˈfaɪnstaɪn/; born Dianne Emiel Goldman;[1] June 22, 1933) is an American politician and the senior United States Senator from California, serving since 1992.
(snip)
At the age of 84, Feinstein is the oldest currently serving United States Senator.

(she’s 9 months older than Orrin Hatch)

So… maybe it’s time she just hang it up?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:01:02pm
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petesh  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:01:30pm

re: #16 sagehen

Y’know I think what’s driving DiFi now is the dream of convicting Trump after his impeachment. Seriously. And also ensuring that the nation survives, which is definitely in question. She’s willing to kneecap Grassley, and to do her best to embarrass Trump.

That’s my pro’s. The cons are age and moderation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:08:34pm

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:19:03pm
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Charmingly Persistent  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:21:59pm

I’m kind of pissed that the crowd chanted “Time’s Up” to Diane Feinstein. It’s sexist and has a Bernie Bro smell to it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:25:12pm

I’ve had two discussions of the mass shooting and guns question in the last day on FB. One with a schoolmate, another with my Wingnut Cousin. One thing they have in common? Complete unwillingness to admit ANY possibility that guns are a problem.

I think they feel like if they give any ground at all, they’ll lose all their guns. Wingnut Cousin can’t even admit that no other developed democracy has mass shootings like we do. He’s ‘seen some statistics that refute that’, but of course, he can’t name another country like us who endures nearly daily mass shootings.

Neither of these discussions turned rancorous, but they simply don’t have any answer when you point out that other developed countries have mental illness, violent video games and movies, broken families - all the things they point to as reasons for mass shootings - but they DON’T have mass shootings. They start going off into the weeds of ‘they’d use something else’, or ‘make .223 illegal and someone will invent a similar round’, or whatever. You can’t get them to accept that the availability of guns is anything other than good.

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petesh  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:28:10pm

re: #22 Blind Frog Belly White

Similarly, when Oprah had that 60 Minutes follow-up roundtable with both sides, the Trumper railing about the Estate Tax insisted, several times, that “When you die, the government is going to take all your money.” It’s a kind of absolutist fallacy.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:36:45pm

NBA coach Greg Popovich weighs in on LeBron James speaking out politically and not just dribbling a ball for Laura Ingraham.

The San Antonio Spurs are in Cleveland, and Popovich is often asked for comments because he does not shy away from politics and calling people out.

I guess you can say he loves to Popoff!

Heh…I get the feeling he is not a Fxx viewer. We already know he’s not a Trump fan.

Go Pop!

ESPN - Gregg Popovich: LeBron James may have more impact off court than on

CLEVELAND — San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said he believes that Cleveland Cavaliers superstar LeBron James “possibly has more impact off the court” through his social activism than he’s had as a basketball player, and encouraged James to continue to speak up.

“I don’t pick and choose what LeBron should talk about any more than any talking heads who try to pick and choose,” Popovich said Sunday, before the Spurs played the Cavs.

Popovich, who has coached the Spurs all 15 seasons that James has been in the league, faced him in the NBA Finals three times and was an assistant coach under Larry Brown when James played in the 2004 Olympics, took note of Fox News anchor Laura Ingraham’s recent criticism of James, saying he should “shut up and dribble” in response to comments by James in an ad for Uber — also featuring Kevin Durant and ESPN’s Cari Champion — that challenged President Donald Trump.

Popovich did not take kindly to Ingraham’s sentiments.

“To me, when I heard about that it was just an unbelievable show of arrogance for a talking head to try and tell someone else if they can speak, what they can speak about and when and where to do it,” Popovich said. “It’s just ludicrous, but [also] to not have a feel for who this guy is [is disappointing].

“I mean, think about when he came into public view, how young was he? And to this day he hasn’t missed a step, he hasn’t fallen off the ledge and he’s been a brilliant example for millions of kids, especially kids with lesser opportunity and haven’t had the same advantages as others. They see in this guy somebody who has consistently exhibited excellence in the workplace and gives them a voice and lets them know that you can speak about anything.

“There really is a First Amendment and you can have opinions — as a coach, as a plumber, as an astrophysicist and a lowly reporter. They can have whatever opinions they want, and that’s what’s amazing about this when you look at this guy, how many millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars he’s given, tens of millions of kids that are inspired by him. It’s kind of like the ‘Black Panther’ movie.

“How cool is that for kids to see that, to have that superhero? Well, LeBron’s been that for a long time. For somebody to be totally numb to that and attack him in such a childish way really speaks more volumes about that individual than it does LeBron. He’s very, very special. We should all be very proud that we have someone like that who’s willing to speak about a variety of topics and you listen to them all.”

… more at link

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:47:34pm

Yeah, I’ve noticed that when 2A fanatics read ‘sensible gun regulations,’ for some reason they see ‘total weapons ban.’ I’ll never figure that out.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:51:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:53:55pm

re: #25 makeitstop

Yeah, I’ve noticed that when 2A fanatics read ‘sensible gun regulations,’ for some reason they see ‘total weapons ban.’ I’ll never figure that out.

The NRA has trained them this way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:54:23pm

re: #26 jaunte

“Only the best people.”

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:54:59pm

Very good question, Man in the Hoodie.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:55:54pm
“Orestes Fintiklis, who controls 202 of the property’s 369 hotel units.”

” On Thursday, Fintiklis arrived at the property with management staff and lawyers intending to take over the hotel immediately. The Trump management team again refused to yield control of the property, and according to the legal complaint filed by Ithaca’s lawyers, refused to allow Fintiklis to check into any of his company’s 202 hotel rooms.”

Trump minions are no respecters of property rights.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:56:56pm

Apparently Fintiklis needed to bring his own private army of security guards.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 1:58:16pm

re: #25 makeitstop

Yeah, I’ve noticed that when 2A fanatics read ‘sensible gun regulations,’ for some reason they see ‘total weapons ban.’ I’ll never figure that out.

And that’s why I always start with personal responsibility laws. Consequences for after someone (not you never you) has demonstrated recklessness.

If the gundamentalists won’t even agree to this….

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:00:39pm

re: #31 jaunte

Apparently Fintiklis needed to bring his own private army of security guards.

The Trump Org has definitely been doing some grotesquely illegal shit (money laundering) out of that Panamanian building because they KNOW it’s only a matter of time before they’re physically evicted by the tenant’s association and they’re desperately delaying for as long as possible while destroying evidence.

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The Major  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:02:10pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

Sounds like an Arthur Andersen redeux wrt ENRON…..

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The Major  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:04:00pm

re: #32 dangerman

gundamentalists

I am so stealing that word….

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:04:36pm

re: #25 makeitstop

Yeah, I’ve noticed that when 2A fanatics read ‘sensible gun regulations,’ for some reason they see ‘total weapons ban.’ I’ll never figure that out.

This is what brought me to lgf in the first place

In 2016 Shiplord Kirel wrote “Any attempt at gun control, no matter how modest or reasonable, will fail because of the pervasive nature of the conspiracy theory that underlies practically all right wing thinking on the issue.”

It struck me and I saved it. Then I got a username.
I didn’t know at the time to bring pizza.
You magnanimous bunch have tolerated me and let me stick around anyway

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:06:37pm

re: #36 dangerman

One of the many reasons why I stay here. That and almost everyone here does not complain when I post something about PBS. :)

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:08:24pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

NBA coach Greg Popovich weighs in on LeBron James speaking out politically and not just dribbling a ball for Laura Ingraham.

The San Antonio Spurs are in Cleveland, and Popovich is often asked for comments because he does not shy away from politics and calling people out.

ESPN - Gregg Popovich: LeBron James may have more impact off court than on

And nobody *ever* tells Popovich to shut up about politics and just talk basketball. I guess ‘cause he’s white enough.

Certainly the right wing isn’t shy about letting Curt Schilling spout his views…

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:10:03pm

re: #38 sagehen

And nobody *ever* tells Popovich to shut up about politics and just talk basketball. I guess ‘cause he’s white enough.

Certainly the right wing isn’t shy about letting Curt Schilling spout his views…

Pop would just tell them to go fuck themselves - in so many words. He’s a tough old dude.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:10:15pm

re: #35 The Major

I am so stealing that word….

Not mine. Someone posted a tweet that used it last week
It is perfect

I did not get the name
The entire tweet was

Fuck this Gundamentalist bullshit.
We fixed the part of the Constitution that allowed slavery.
We fixed the part of the Constitution that said women couldn’t vote.
Now let’s fix the part that (some people believe) allows private citizens to own weapons capable of mass slaughter

It was the first time I started to think yes maybe it can be done

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:12:55pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:13:56pm

OT For all lovers of Masterpiece Theater Victoria season finale is tonight. Please read my page on it:
littlegreenfootballs.com

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:14:52pm

Welcome to the Conspiracy industry.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:18:54pm

re: #23 petesh

Similarly, when Oprah had that 60 Minutes follow-up roundtable with both sides, the Trumper railing about the Estate Tax insisted, several times, that “When you die, the government is going to take all your money.” It’s a kind of absolutist fallacy.

“And by ‘all’, I mean maybe 40% of any amount exceeding $10 Million. And by ‘your’, I mean substantially less than 0.1% of you”

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:21:02pm

When I die the Feds can take my money.
I ain’t gonna need it.
:P

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:21:49pm

Hmmm…

Then again, haven’t there been tweets that went viral for all the wrong reasons which actually resulted in negative real-life consequences for the tweeter? Also, you have to draw attention to a tweet if you want enough people to report it as a violation (conversely, look at the wingnuts who hate-retweet people so as to sic their drooling troll army on them).

So I’m not sure what the right middle-ground is…

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:23:42pm

re: #37 PhillyPretzel

One of the many reasons why I stay here. That and almost everyone here does not complain when I post something about PBS. :)

The pizza, Iknowright? ;-)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:24:23pm

re: #47 dangerman

The pizza, Iknowright? ;-)

Ham and pineapple!

/ducks
//dons asbestos scale suit

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:25:25pm

re: #48 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ham and pineapple!

/ducks
//dons asbestos scale suit

That ain’t gonna stop my stellar converter.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:26:17pm

re: #23 petesh

It’s the just-world fallacy taken to its narcissistic extreme.

Reflection on the larger patterns of the world would mean recognizing that, nay, there is no “you deserve what you have.” Not in the socialist redistribution sense, but in mix of chaos and determinism that has laid out, long-term, where effort and time and resources have been allocated. For any individual, that’s a terrifying existential notion—you are brief warp in a larger flow of time, subject to both the vast upstream of events and the splashes of random happenings with no meaning—for a society, it’s the kind of upheaval that prompts enormous disruption.

The Old Kingdoms Egyptians believed in the regular rise of the Nile and the intermediacy of the pharaoh. When the former failed and the latter was thus suspect, they experienced a crisis of identity and belief that’s recorded as lost, melancholy compositions in which poets and letter-writers doubt the the very foundation of their universe. Toyotomi Hideyoshi foresaw the practical results of a Japan open to the world, how it would facilitate that shaking-apart of the just-assembled provinces, and transformed the entire nation by closing it off. The cultural ramifications are still being felt—Japan did not become a colony, remained cultural distinct, but also began to experiment with being a colonizer. WW1 broke the back of Germany, twice—military collapse followed by economic collapse, and in that breach a small number of low men with high office “solved” the disruption by reaching for toxic nationalism.

The basic American myth is one of self-determination and meritocracy, it and has purposefully mutilated its history to maintain that narrative theme. That we all live in a post-apocalyptic landscape, that the original settlers saw the mass-death of natives as Providence even as they occupied their settlements, is overlooked. That slavery was a pivot in the labor economy, and a determining factor in politics until the Civil War—has been carefully and strategically disassembled in favor of a milquetoast “it was bad, it happened in isolation” reading. The extent of our own experiment with colonialism has been forgotten. The complex path of entry in the two World Wars has been glossed over as triumphalism. The even more complex reality of post-war economics—king of a ravaged developed world—simply isn’t discussed at all. Detailed understanding of the Cold War—with its proxies, its choice to side with dictators and fascists damn the consequences—is nonexistent: the threat of Soviet nuclear arms silences discussion of efficacy of means. Americans have consistently been told they deserve what they have.

The world has moved on, but the American mythology has persisted and become more and more frantic as less and less confirmation has been available. It’s no longer an international economy comprised of collapsing European empires, a failed-from-the-start Soviet empire, and hollowed-out ex-colonies trying to catch up with no capital. Automation means people’s labor matters less, that every worker is more interchangeable. Communications heading towards instant worldwide connection means that regionality isn’t a factor in labor; and this is multiplied by easy and cheap shipping across oceans.

And in the 80s—when the post-WW2 Myth was at its height—we started electing people the disassembled the practical mechanisms that gave us an advantage. And we’re dealing with the long-term consequences.

Which brings us back to that idea of the just world fallacy…because that’s the dark side of almost seventy years of Americans believing that the health of the nation was entirely earned through efforts and industry, and that anyone not participating must not being achieving*: it’s never been a generally-applied concept (a la Kant), it’s always been special pleading. So now that people who feel they should be succeeding—according to the Myth—are failing the answer is either (1) the critical-to-self-image Myth was bullshit, or (2) the world is conspiring to fuck them over.

*This note is very important: racism applied this all-encompassing just world fallacy, and the zero-sum thought that blacks/Asians/Hispanics could only do better at the expense of whites, long before white people started consistently applying it to themselves. Whiteness isn’t really a race, it’s an in-group that gets to own its successes but explain away its faults, contrasted with out-groups that are contaminants to social hygiene and collectively responsible for their faults. And whiteness recruits individuals and groups opportunistically to maintain this image of “we are individuals collectively defined by our individuality, but coincidental we have a collective identity defined by our pooled merit and successes”—which explains the appropriation of regional groups throughout history to create a “Western Civilization” out of myriad disconnected; the incorporation as-needed of liminal groups—the Irish and Slavs for example—for purely practical reasons; and the accumulation of “exceptional” non-whites that are used as bludgeons.

What we’re watching is individual incidences of a worldview collapse: they are doubling down because the story is integral to their being. They will accept less solid information, more outright lies, because the latter allow them not to confront their own limitations, or the limitation of the nation. Hence the sheer variety, and increasing baroque-ness, of explanations that claim an outside force—Simmelian strangers already present in the society, dangerous foreigners, international conspiracies. The sad thing is that to achieve this, they will simultaneously cling to symbols and deform the meaning of their symbols.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:29:31pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

“And by ‘all’, I mean maybe 40% of any amount exceeding $10 Million. And by ‘your’, I mean substantially less than 0.1% of you”

If you have that much money and haven’t tax planned, family planned, set up an ilit, succession planned, just plain planned, you deserve to have it taxed away from you

This is almost “I sent you a boat and a helicopter” territory

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:29:53pm

re: #50 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s the just-world fallacy taken to its narcissistic extreme.

Reflection on the larger patterns of the world would mean recognizing that, nay, there is no “you deserve what you have.”

Now I take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:35:29pm

re: #17 Scottish Dragon

You win the internets today! Bravo!

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:36:56pm

re: #48 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ham and pineapple!

/ducks
//dons asbestos scale suit

You guys are worse than the gun humpers. ;-)

My new compromise..so we all can get along…is a little personal responsibility

Hawaiian pizza in Hawaii. Only.
And I would def eat it too if I were there.

Just like Philly cheese steaks in Philly. You can argue about whose is best
Po boys in nawlins. Ditto

Et al

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:39:17pm

re: #50 The Ghost of a Flea

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Varek Raith  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:41:21pm

re: #55 dangerman

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:42:22pm

::: handing fire extinguisher to Varek :::

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petesh  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:47:25pm

re: #50 The Ghost of a Flea

Now, that’s a very fine rant. I’ve been banging on about the failure of ‘Mercans to notice the gradual lowering of their economic status relative to the rest of the world (from about half of global GDP in 1945 down to 16% (PPP) now. I think the general myth goes back much more than 70 years, and of course racism goes back to Columbus.

My key takeaway, which differs very little from yours, I think, is that the irreducible 27% and the 12–15% closest to them are squealing because of the unconscious fear that everything will be taken away from them. Take it from an immigrant from the UK, life after empire can be better than life during it.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:51:16pm

(I had to go do stuff so I am late in replying)

A flaw in CA’s system is that it seems it can discourage a party pushing it’s members. I don’t really mind if Feinstein wins if she’s doing a good job of representing her constituents of all kinds. But if, being a Democrat, the party can’t force her left due to CA’s election system, I think that’s a big flaw.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:53:38pm

re: #56 Varek Raith

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:53:41pm

re: #55 dangerman

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:54:10pm

re: #51 dangerman

If you have that much money and haven’t tax planned, family planned, set up an ilit, succession planned, just plain planned, you deserve to have it taxed away from you

This is almost “I sent you a boat and a helicopter” territory

yeppers.

I just keep wanting to yell “ESTATE PLANNING!”

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:56:15pm

re: #61 The Ghost of a Flea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:56:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:56:47pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:57:24pm

re: #61 The Ghost of a Flea

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:57:32pm

re: #25 makeitstop

Yeah, I’ve noticed that when 2A fanatics read ‘sensible gun regulations,’ for some reason they see ‘total weapons ban.’ I’ll never figure that out.

Perhaps they are thinking they are not worth enough to own their guns.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:59:08pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeppers.

I just keep wanting to yell “ESTATE PLANNING!”

Nobody “was forced to sell the family farm” because of estate taxes.
If ever it was because of all the lead up years of “head in the sand”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 2:59:51pm
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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:01:28pm

re: #67 Sea Mexican!

Perhaps they are thinking they are not worth enough to own their guns.

They either predict sweeping overreach
Or
They know they are careless and reckless and lazy and are gonna be exposed for the Frauds they are

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:03:11pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was talking to my parents about that last night. Don’t let the topic become officers not responding. It’s about a man having a powerful, rapid firing weapon (45 rounds per minute is fast) and killing.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:04:22pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That was from yesterday’s AM Joy. I commented after seeing it that young Mr. Hogg is very intense and doesn’t mince words. He and Emma seem to be the leaders, but the whole group is impressive and they work well off of each other.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:04:43pm

re: #63 dangerman

re: #66 Decatur Deb

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:05:10pm

re: #68 dangerman

Nobody “was forced to sell the family farm” because of estate taxes.
If ever it was because of all the lead up years of “head in the sand”

I am a farmer. My farm operation is fairly high value, but nowhere near $10 million.
Still…farm bureau, extension service, and every single farm association I’ve been associated with for several decades have stressed the importance of estate planning over and over.
If you don’t make the effort, you’re just lazy and you really don’t give a rat’s ass about your farm operation and your survivors.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:06:50pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am a farmer. My farm operation is fairly high value, but nowhere near $10 million.
Still…farm bureau, extension service, and every single farm association I’ve been associated with for several decades have stressed the importance of estate planning over and over.
If you don’t make the effort, you’re just lazy and you really don’t give a rat’s ass about your farm operation and your survivors.

This is true regardless of the nature of your estate. I haven’t quite gotten around to it yet, but you’re damn right I’m going to. You’re right about that last part, especially - if you don’t bother to think about it, it means you aren’t really thinking about what, or whom, you’re leaving behind. You can’t take it with you.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:07:14pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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On ABC “this week” he said

Columbine was about 19 years ago, Now that you’ve had an entire generation of kids growing up around mass shootings, and the fact that they’re starting to be able to vote, explains how we’re going to have this change. Kids are not going to accept this.

Itals mine

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:07:20pm

Strindberg And Helium With Sulphur And Iron

Less Strindberg, more Helium.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:07:48pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

So many in the replies think the police would have successfully taken him out by just running in.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:10:50pm

re: #71 Belafon

I was talking to my parents about that last night. Don’t let the topic become officers not responding. It’s about a man having a powerful, rapid firing weapon (45 rounds per minute is fast) and killing.

It’s being outgunned
A teacher with a handgun has the same dilemma and worse…way less training and no live fire experience.
You think multiple teachers with handguns are going to coordinate a counter assault response?

This is Fantasyland
And a brilliant distraction to take the focus off ..wait what were we tryiung to accomplish?

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:11:14pm

re: #78 Belafon

No one is more set up to be demonized than a LEO whose actions punch holes in the “good guy with a gun” myth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:11:19pm

re: #58 petesh

Now, that’s a very fine rant. I’ve been banging on about the failure of ‘Mercans to notice the gradual lowering of their economic status relative to the rest of the world (from about half of global GDP in 1945 down to 16% (PPP) now. I think the general myth goes back much more than 70 years, and of course racism goes back to Columbus.

My key takeaway, which differs very little from yours, I think, is that the irreducible 27% and the 12–15% closest to them are squealing because of the unconscious fear that everything will be taken away from them. Take it from an immigrant from the UK, life after empire can be better than life during it.

If you take a look at the macro economic indicators for the past 50 years, they clearly show that middle class prosperity peaked right before the first OPEC oil embargo in October 1973 and they’ve been on the decline ever since. Lots of factors play in, the increase in petroleum prices, IW Abel surrendering the United Steelworkers Right to Strike, Nixon’s wage/price controls designed to interfere with collective bargaining, Chrysler’s near collapse in 1979, The rise of the New Right with California’s Prop 13 and Reagan’s election. Reagan breaking PATCO and going after unions, Millken’s junk bond spree which drained corporate pension funds away, The death of the Steel industry in the mid 80’s, the S&L collapse, 1987 market meltdown, free trade deals, spiraling health care costs, bankruptcy restrictions,Glass-Steagel repeal and continuing weakening of labor all contribute to the continual decay of the middle class.

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mmmirele  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:12:15pm

Is Anonymouse or any other veteran around? I have a question.

I heard that Trump has set the day for his big military march for November 11 (Veterans’ Day). Uh, would veterans be offended if Americans like me, who never served, were to go to Washington and protest this shit show?

Seriously, though, is this a “protest this crazy” or “stay the fuck away from this crazy” moment?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:13:29pm

re: #71 Belafon

re: #72 ObserverArt

I understand that some folks want to insist that running in the building “was his job”.

I’m pretty sure that the job description of “school resource officer” does NOT include being a blood sacrifice martyr just so people have a “hero” to weep over.

I don’t know about the rest of the country, but here in TheBackwoods, our school resource officers mostly deal with drugs, minor disciplinary issues, and (this is going to be a shocker for people have to deal with bad resource gung-ho officers in their school systems) the cops in the school that a kid knows they can talk with when there is a problem.

If there is anything that requires a lockdown, the school resource officer waits for backup because that’s the established protocol.

Dead heroes are just dead and don’t accomplish anything in the process other than dying.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:13:57pm

re: #81 Joe Bacon 🌹

If you take a look at the macro economic indicators for the past 50 years, they clearly show that middle class prosperity peaked right before the first OPEC oil embargo in October 1973 and they’ve been on the decline ever since. Lots of factors play in, the increase in petroleum prices, IW Abel surrendering the United Steelworkers Right to Strike, Nixon’s wage/price controls designed to interfere with collective bargaining, Chrysler’s near collapse in 1979, The rise of the New Right with California’s Prop 13 and Reagan’s election. Reagan breaking PATCO and going after unions, Millken’s junk bond spree which drained corporate pension funds away, The death of the Steel industry in the mid 80’s, the S&L collapse, 1987 market meltdown, free trade deals, spiraling health care costs, bankruptcy restrictions,Glass-Steagel repeal and continuing weakening of labor all contribute to the continual decay of the middle class.

One background factor that I’d add to this list is the fall of the USSR. After that, the powers that be in the US evidently see nothing wrong with making all the old Soviet propaganda about capitalism come true.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:14:01pm

re: #75 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

This is true regardless of the nature of your estate. I haven’t quite gotten around to it yet, but you’re damn right I’m going to. You’re right about that last part, especially - if you don’t bother to think about it, it means you aren’t really thinking about what, or whom, you’re leaving behind. You can’t take it with you.

Now to be fair it is a scary thing for folks to contemplate. So be an adult. suck it up, get it done and then for the most part you don’t have to much think about it again.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:14:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:15:02pm

re: #78 Belafon

So many in the replies think the police would have successfully taken him out by just running in.

living in la la land

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:17:50pm

re: #32 dangerman

Upding for “gundamentalists”

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:18:18pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I understand that some folks want to insist that running in the building “was his job”.

I’m pretty sure that the job description of “school resource officer” doe NOT include being a blood sacrifice martyr just so people have a “hero” to weep over.

I don’t know about the rest of the country, but here in TheBackwoods, our school resource officers mostly deal with drugs, minor disciplinary issues, and (this is going to be a shocker for people have to deal with bad resource gung-ho officers in their school systems) the cops in the school that a kid knows they can talk with when there is a problem.

If there is anything that requires a lockdown, the school resource officer waits for backup because that’s the established protocol.

Dead heroes are just dead and don’t accomplish anything in the process other than dying.

…so an armed teacher’s job in that situation is gonna be …what?
Like I said
Fantasyland

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:19:57pm

re: #85 dangerman

Now to be fair it is a scary thing for folks to contemplate. So be an adult. suck it up, get it done and then for the most part you don’t have to much think about it again.

exactly.

It’s the same thing with doing a will.
Facing one’s own mortality is frightening, which is what preparing a will and estate planning brings to the forefront. And lots of folks aren’t prepared to admit that they could easily leave this plane of existence at any time.

OTOH, we now live in Trump/NRA America, so all safe bets are off.

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austin_blue  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:21:46pm

re: #71 Belafon

I was talking to my parents about that last night. Don’t let the topic become officers not responding. It’s about a man having a powerful, rapid firing weapon (45 rounds per minute is fast) and killing.

There’s another reason to reduce the size of the magazine.

People routinely tape three 30-round mags together. Middle mag up, with two magazines upside down, taped either side w/duck tape.

Shoot the first mag, hit the release, turn it 180 degrees, snap it in. Ready to rock and roll in under two seconds.

Ninety rounds in two minutes? And you’ve go a .40? I’m gonna shoot you to pieces. Literally.

You can’t tape 10-round magazines together.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:23:04pm

You think for a second the Parkland kids would have gained this much momentum if Marjory Stoneman was a majority black school?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:24:34pm
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:25:20pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I understand that some folks want to insist that running in the building “was his job”.

I’m pretty sure that the job description of “school resource officer” does NOT include being a blood sacrifice martyr just so people have a “hero” to weep over.

I don’t know about the rest of the country, but here in TheBackwoods, our school resource officers mostly deal with drugs, minor disciplinary issues, and (this is going to be a shocker for people have to deal with bad resource gung-ho officers in their school systems) the cops in the school that a kid knows they can talk with when there is a problem.

If there is anything that requires a lockdown, the school resource officer waits for backup because that’s the established protocol.

Dead heroes are just dead and don’t accomplish anything in the process other than dying.

His job was to be a deterrent. “If we have someone with a gun, then no one will want to shoot.” Well, that’s failed. “But, wait. Maybe we need more than one.”

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:27:47pm
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:27:53pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

You think for a second the Parkland kids would have gained this much momentum if Marjory Stoneman was a majority black school?

That’s a good question. Sadly, I suspect the answer is no.

Now, here’s a question I couldn’t determine the answer to: Has there been a mass shooting at a majority black school?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:28:03pm

so much bullshit

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:29:04pm
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:29:04pm

re: #95 jaunte

The guy with the gun is an Oath Keeper.

Edited.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:29:48pm

re: #95 jaunte

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They’ll get a security upgrade when he gets arrested.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:29:56pm
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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:30:34pm
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:33:23pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much bullshit

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The Major  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:33:32pm

re: #99 Belafon

He’s an Oathkeeper.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:35:39pm

re: #86 jaunte

Scott Pruitt has reportedly told EPA staffers not to create a written records for important agency decisions. We’re suing over this potential violation of federal records law.citizensforethics.org

wouldn’t it be grand if there was a record of that meeting

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:35:54pm

re: #95 jaunte

“…a member of the Oath Keepers…”

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mmmirele  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:37:18pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I understand that some folks want to insist that running in the building “was his job”.

I’m pretty sure that the job description of “school resource officer” does NOT include being a blood sacrifice martyr just so people have a “hero” to weep over.

I don’t know about the rest of the country, but here in TheBackwoods, our school resource officers mostly deal with drugs, minor disciplinary issues, and (this is going to be a shocker for people have to deal with bad resource gung-ho officers in their school systems) the cops in the school that a kid knows they can talk with when there is a problem.

If there is anything that requires a lockdown, the school resource officer waits for backup because that’s the established protocol.

Dead heroes are just dead and don’t accomplish anything in the process other than dying.

I graduated from a rural/suburban high school in the far reaches of Houston 40 years ago. We didn’t have a cop on campus, even though there were 4,000 kids in this particular school. In the fall of 1975, there were a series of bomb threats called in to the high school. For the first bomb threat, the teachers went through lockers. The second and subsequent times they were all, “No that is not part of our job duties, you need to send for the Houston PD bomb sniffing dog.” And that’s what happened. I remember going out to the field to the south of the school and just standing and waiting….waiting….waiting. One day, the threat was called in before school opening at 7:25 and we were simply ushered to the field, where we stayed until we’d stayed long enough for it to be counted as a day and the district would get its state money. Then we were bused home.

But after that first time, teachers didn’t open up a single locker after a bomb threat. And I don’t blame them. Had there been an honest to God bomb, the teacher could have been badly injured. And, as it turned out there was a bomb. The threats stopped, everyone more or less forgot about it. One day a few months later, as I was walking to the cafeteria, a very small pipe bomb went off in front of our auditorium. A couple of people were injured (not badly). And yeah, that was our mad bomber.

So no, I don’t blame the resource officer for not charging in, nor the four Broward County sheriff’s deputies. I rather doubt they carry AR-15 equivalents around. I don’t believe police should have to commit suicide if they’re not appropriately armed just to satiate the blood lust of some people.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:37:28pm

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

Upding for “gundamentalists”

I can’t take coinage credit
I’m just passing it on

See re: #40 dangerman

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:42:03pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

exactly.

It’s the same thing with doing a will.
Facing one’s own mortality is frightening, which is what preparing a will and estate planning brings to the forefront. And lots of folks aren’t prepared to admit that they could easily leave this plane of existence at any time.

OTOH, we now live in Trump/NRA America, so all safe bets are off.

Right
It also brings to light two other things
One is what you are really worth financially after all your time in the planet …people do measure themselves that way..how much how little

And also tough decisions about who gets what snd how much

These aren’t easy things to contemplate either. A good estate planner has the words to navigate this stuff like a therapist

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:42:57pm
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petesh  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:43:05pm

re: #81 Joe Bacon 🌹

If you take a look at the macro economic indicators for the past 50 years, they clearly show that middle class prosperity peaked right before the first OPEC oil embargo in October 1973 and they’ve been on the decline ever since. Lots of factors play in, the increase in petroleum prices, IW Abel surrendering the United Steelworkers Right to Strike, Nixon’s wage/price controls designed to interfere with collective bargaining, Chrysler’s near collapse in 1979, The rise of the New Right with California’s Prop 13 and Reagan’s election. Reagan breaking PATCO and going after unions, Millken’s junk bond spree which drained corporate pension funds away, The death of the Steel industry in the mid 80’s, the S&L collapse, 1987 market meltdown, free trade deals, spiraling health care costs, bankruptcy restrictions,Glass-Steagel repeal and continuing weakening of labor all contribute to the continual decay of the middle class.

Absolutely. We’ve been screwed both internally and externally. The internal one is the better known (why can’t my grandkids have the opportunity I did?), which is why I tend to focus on the external: Why are those foreigners telling us what to do? Partly because it lies behind some (not all) of the internal stuff.

American elites have responded to the adjustment in relative national economies by transcending them, by becoming multi-national. That emphatically includes Trump. They have used the threat or actuality of shipping jobs abroad to lower wages here. And then the bastards blame it on foreigners (see Trump, passim).

The point I’m making is not in conflict with yours, they are complementary.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:43:43pm

re: #80 jaunte

No one is more set up to be demonized than a LEO whose actions punch holes in the “good guy with a gun” myth.

And demonize they will. It’s better for their side to take down the unfortunate deputy than to consider why he was reluctant in the first place.

All of these approaches Trump and the gun lovers want sound more like they are writing scripts* for a hero movie rather than functional and safe proceedures for protecting a school.

And all of the script writers most likely will never face what they are so sure others can handle.

Trump…the “I’m like smart” Genius Businessman President who “hires only the best people” wants the best to be people that don’t want and never should have the job. But hey, we’ll pay you a bit more.

Show us how it is done Donny. You too Wayne. Train yourselves and let’s put you in some tests. You piss your pants…you sit down and shut the fuck up.

*Goes to dangerman’s “fantasy land”

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:45:29pm

re: #94 Belafon

His job was to be a deterrent. “If we have someone with a gun, then no one will want to shoot.” Well, that’s failed. “But, wait. Maybe we need more than one.”

And signs, we need signs

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petesh  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:46:57pm

re: #113 dangerman

And signs, we need signs

Thots ran out. Pariahs hid.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:47:31pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much bullshit

Merit-based immigration reform will benefit American workers and relieve the strain imposed by our current system on Federal resources.

Melania’s merits were there for all to see.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:48:30pm

heh

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:49:19pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

I understand that some folks want to insist that running in the building “was his job”.

I’m pretty sure that the job description of “school resource officer” does NOT include being a blood sacrifice martyr just so people have a “hero” to weep over.

I don’t know about the rest of the country, but here in TheBackwoods, our school resource officers mostly deal with drugs, minor disciplinary issues, and (this is going to be a shocker for people have to deal with bad resource gung-ho officers in their school systems) the cops in the school that a kid knows they can talk with when there is a problem.

If there is anything that requires a lockdown, the school resource officer waits for backup because that’s the established protocol.

Dead heroes are just dead and don’t accomplish anything in the process other than dying.

And, they also might give a false sense of security delaying the students from either evacuating or going into lockdown in a safer area.

That means not only a dead protector (school officer or teacher) but maybe increased deaths and injury to other victims because time was lost or people thought they were safer than they were.

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mmmirele  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:51:28pm

Not klys, obviously

Something I’ve been doodling on this weekend. I’ve never done anything with long and short stitches. Next time I’m going to do something smaller!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:51:52pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:52:27pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’ll be drones.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:54:08pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

You think for a second the Parkland kids would have gained this much momentum if Marjory Stoneman was a majority black school?

No, not really. Sad as that is.

But right now I think we take what we can get with getting a movement going and then pick up others that want gun safety in all of America.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:56:40pm

re: #82 mmmirele

Is Anonymouse or any other veteran around? I have a question.

I heard that Trump has set the day for his big military march for November 11 (Veterans’ Day). Uh, would veterans be offended if Americans like me, who never served, were to go to Washington and protest this shit show?

Seriously, though, is this a “protest this crazy” or “stay the fuck away from this crazy” moment?

As an Army vet, I would say that one of the biggest reasons I gave Uncle Sam 16 years of holding a check that said “Any amount up to and including my life” was so that anyone could protest - and that if I disagreed, I could protest them back.

This protest, I would agree with you & if I could afford to, I’d be there too. It’s a sick joke & I hope the regulars can find a way to make it embarrass Pumpkin Pinochet without harming themselves.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:58:38pm

re: #96 Belafon

That’s a good question. Sadly, I suspect the answer is no.

Now, here’s a question I couldn’t determine the answer to: Has there been a mass shooting at a majority black school?

Don’t think so.

(WARNING - Off Color Uncomfortable Satire)

But obviously a crazy bad (White) guy would never attack a Black school because they are already so well armed and know how to use guns.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 3:59:16pm

re: #122 William Lewis

As an Army vet, I would say that one of the biggest reasons I gave Uncle Sam 16 years of holding a check that said “Any amount up to and including my life” was so that anyone could protest - and that if I disagreed, I could protest them back.

This protest, I would agree with you & if I could afford to, I’d be there too. It’s a sick joke & I hope the regulars can find a way to make it embarrass Pumpkin Pinochet without harming themselves.

An organized “Stay Away” would be less easy to misrepresent. There is plenty of time to organize better alternative activities in DC. We need another Rally to Restore Sanity.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:00:41pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

$5 says Fox News will do it anyway.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:01:57pm

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Wasn’t that the Jon Stewart thing from a few years ago.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:02:29pm

re: #104 The Major

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:03:02pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

Wasn’t that the Jon Stewart thing from a few years ago.

Stewart/Colbert. We went for the politics, and it turned out to be the best concert we ever attended.

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The Major  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:03:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:04:59pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:08:22pm

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Right wing buffoons and Fox types are busy slamming law enforcement and the FBI for failing Parkland.

The idiocy and logical failing here is astounding because every single one of the right wing/GOP/NRA tropes failed miserably.

1) The good guy with the gun failed to stop a mass shooting.
2) More good guys with guns were not able to stop a mass shooting.
3) The bad guy was still able to get the gun no matter how many laws were in place.
4) The good guys didn’t take out the bad guy.
5) But for the easy availability of guns, the shooter wouldn’t have been able to get guns, let alone the AR-15 that has become a weapon of choice in mass shootings across the nation.
6) But for the NRA/GOP blocking meaningful gun control, gun violence continues at a rate far in excess of every US peer nation.
7) States dominated by the GOP have lax gun laws and also have far higher per capital gun death rates than those with strong gun laws.

This is where we are, and this is what has to change - it includes voting out the GOP/NRA and ending the NRA stranglehold on gun control.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:08:40pm

Gun nuts are either getting crazy bold with Trump as President or this is an ATF sting operation.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:10:06pm

re: #123 ObserverArt

Don’t think so.

(WARNING - Off Color Uncomfortable Satire)

But obviously a crazy bad (White) guy would never attack a Black school because they are already so well armed and know how to use guns.

Heh.

And the reason I bring this up is that there are for more white people who think that their problems can be solved by guns. And so many of these are attacks on the school the person went to. In the case of Newton, it was the nearby school.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:10:08pm

Trump & Duterte: BFFs

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:12:18pm

GOP/NRA - the background checks are a false sense of security.

Right. Because the GOP/NRA have prevented them from having the kind of teeth needed to prevent the wrong people from getting guns. Mental health? Age? The GOP/NRA don’t want to cross reference that, and the NRA made it clear that they don’t want age limits either.

Then again, the age limits are a deflection - mass shooters have all too frequently been white guys in their 20s. The overwhelming majority of guns used were legally obtained.

They were the good guys with guns right up to the moment they became mass murderers.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:12:21pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Gun nuts are either getting crazy bold with Trump as President or this is an ATF sting operation.

They’re probably a legal way to dress out a fetish gun, now that the AWB is dead. Any renewal would almost certainly grandfather existing rigs. (IIRC, it took several military-type features to put an AR/AK under the ban. California was stricter.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:14:17pm

re: #135 lawhawk

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GOP/NRA - the background checks are a false sense of security.

Right. Because the GOP/NRA have prevented them from having the kind of teeth needed to prevent the wrong people from getting guns. Mental health? Age? The GOP/NRA don’t want to cross reference that, and the NRA made it clear that they don’t want age limits either.

Then again, the age limits are a deflection - mass shooters have all too frequently been white guys in their 20s. The overwhelming majority of guns used were legally obtained.

They were the good guys with guns right up to the moment they became mass murderers.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:15:37pm

re: #135 lawhawk

Look how much of a false sense of security we all had regarding background checks for security clearances. They aren’t even enforced in the White House.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:16:24pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Gun nuts are either getting crazy bold with Trump as President or this is an ATF sting operation.

Eh? Nothing there I haven’t been seeing for the past few years. Perfectly legal; perfectly useless.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:16:42pm

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

Trump & Duterte: BFFs

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If he could he would take on all of the worst characteristics of Rome’s Emperors and go as far down the road to excess evil as he could.

He seriously has some bad stuff inside that whacked head of his. I think it is worse than we can imagine. He is warped.

I really do think he cut a deal with the devil. Well, as close to selling your reputation and character as a human can for power.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:16:52pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

On the constructive side, when we register Floridians to vote, we can “pre-register” as young as 16. They can register at 17, if they’ll be 18 by the election day they vote.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:17:05pm

The false sense of security was that a police officer at a school would prevent a shooting.
The false sense of security was that people would respect a sign about not bringing a gun.
The false sense of security was that politicians would give a shit.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:19:59pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

That is similar here in PA. Would be voters who are 17 now but will be 18 on Election Day can register before their 18th birthday.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:20:37pm

If background checks don’t work, it’s because the NRA and their GOP lapdogs have spent years kneecapping the system in every fucking way possible while screaming “2A RIGHTS ABOVE ALL!!!!”

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:22:25pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Looking through Terry McFarland’s timeline, it’s difficult to see where any common ground is possible on this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:25:38pm

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

Trump & Duterte: BFFs

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Well, I’d say just about everyone here called this didn’t they?

Now the nutjobs would have the perfect excuse for gunning down black guys: “He was a drug dealer.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:27:08pm

re: #132 goddamnedfrank

Gun nuts are either getting crazy bold with Trump as President or this is an ATF sting operation.

“10 sold, 5 available.”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:28:57pm

re: #139 William Lewis

Eh? Nothing there I haven’t been seeing for the past few years. Perfectly legal; perfectly useless.

It’s designed to be glued inside a tube and become a monolithic silencer baffle stack.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:29:17pm
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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:34:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:34:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:37:42pm

Pics from today’s walk.

Believe it or not, all this beautiful green groundcover will be brown and dead by June.

“Hey, Dad! What kinda dogs are THOSE?”

In case you couldn’t see them. There are 4 in the picture….

Rango by a Ceanothus bush, with his ear on backwards.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:37:58pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

WHY is it always the wingnuts who have problems understanding what “freedom of speech” really is? Why do we never hear of liberals who cry about censorship when right-wingers ban them, boycott them, or get their speaking engagements canceled? Hmm?

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:38:25pm

Had to take a break for oven fried honey chicken, side of farro and tomato cucumber salad with 20 yo balsamic

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:44:26pm

re: #153 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

WHY is it always the wingnuts who have problems understanding what “freedom of speech” really is? Why do we never hear of liberals who cry about censorship when right-wingers ban them, boycott them, or get their speaking engagements canceled? Hmm?

we libturds have been indoctrinated by the elitist educators…

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:45:57pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Right wing buffoons and Fox types are busy slamming law enforcement and the FBI for failing Parkland.

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The idiocy and logical failing here is astounding because every single one of the right wing/GOP/NRA tropes failed miserably.

1) The good guy with the gun failed to stop a mass shooting.
2) More good guys with guns were not able to stop a mass shooting.
3) The bad guy was still able to get the gun no matter how many laws were in place.
4) The good guys didn’t take out the bad guy.
5) But for the easy availability of guns, the shooter wouldn’t have been able to get guns, let alone the AR-15 that has become a weapon of choice in mass shootings across the nation.
6) But for the NRA/GOP blocking meaningful gun control, gun violence continues at a rate far in excess of every US peer nation.
7) States dominated by the GOP have lax gun laws and also have far higher per capital gun death rates than those with strong gun laws.

This is where we are, and this is what has to change - it includes voting out the GOP/NRA and ending the NRA stranglehold on gun control.

Man, Fox must be calling every family to find the ones who are Trumpers and have a kid who’s willing to go on TV.

Too bad the good guys got there first. Fox looks desperate and the kids look phony.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:46:39pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

we libturds have been indoctrinated by the elitist educators…

Ah, you’re right. Argumentum ad sheeple.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:47:00pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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…want to silence the speech of the millions of people who make up NRA membership.

No—we just want Dana Sneering Loesch to STFU once in a while. Is that really too much to ask?

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scottslemmons  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:49:11pm

re: #158 BeachDem

…want to silence the speech of the millions of people who make up NRA membership.

No—we just want Dana Sneering Loesch to STFU once in a while. Is that really too much to ask?

“FREEDOM OF SPEECH MUST INCLUDE THE RIGHT FOR ME TO BULLHORN ABOUT MY OPINIONS 36 HOURS A DAY WHILE EVERYONE SHUTS UP AND AGREES WITH ME!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:50:04pm

re: #157 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ah, you’re right. Argumentum ad sheeple.

have to say this about being brainwashed…we are so squeaky clean…

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:50:29pm

Still can’t believe this guy used to be a Dubya admin official:

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:51:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:51:58pm
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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:52:23pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:53:03pm

re: #161 Interesting Times

Still can’t believe this guy used to be a Dubya admin official:

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He has the presence of a pancake griddle, but somehow it’s effective.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:53:58pm

re: #154 dangerman

Had to take a break for oven fried honey chicken, side of farro and tomato cucumber salad with 20 yo balsamic

Oven fried honey chicken? Do tell please.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:54:02pm

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

Trump privately talks up executing all big drug dealers

Wasn’t there a story about cops finding a huge quantity of coke in a Russian embassy the other day?

The cynic in me says Trump would kill all the drugs dealers - except the ones working for his Russian buds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:54:16pm

re: #165 Dave In Austin

He has the presence of a pancake griddle, but somehow it’s effective.

Not just any pancake griddle, an old cast iron pancake griddle.

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Interesting Times  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:55:15pm

ATTN Burn Unit, casualties incoming:

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:55:59pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Man, Fox must be calling every family to find the ones who are Trumpers and have a kid who’s willing to go on TV.

Too bad the good guys got there first. Fox looks desperate and the kids look phony.

I don’t know the area, but it’s a big school and seems to be somewhat affluent. I’m sure there are any number of Trump supporters and NRA supporters among parents. But the movement started strong enough that it would be a pretty stupid thing to come out right now. I’ll bet we’ll see them emerge soon enough—the news about the Sheriff’s deputies has emboldened Florida State Reps of the GOP to attack the Democrat Sheriff.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2018 • 4:59:15pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

It’s designed to be glued inside a tube and become a monolithic silencer baffle stack.

Might sort of work for one or two shots. Not even as well as the oil filter hack. Is that enough to risk 10 years at club fed? OTOH, since the things won’t work worth a damn, one could argue no constructive intent is possible.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:01:12pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

If background checks don’t work, it’s because the NRA and their GOP lapdogs have spent years kneecapping the system in every fucking way possible while screaming “2A RIGHTS ABOVE ALL!!!!”

Background checks don’t work is just more of nothing works so why bother

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:02:17pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Not just any pancake griddle, an old cast iron pancake griddle.

Like Eor, only slower. “Ittttttt’lllllllllll Nnnneeeevvvveeeeeerrrrrrrrr Wwwwwoooooooorrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:05:17pm

re: #150 jaunte

A mass shooting was thwarted and the only man who was shot was the hero who took the shooter’s gun — because police thought he was the shooter.

Exhibit A for why having more “good guys with guns” is not going to solve anything

After the signs were gonna need uniforms to tell the sides apart

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:07:20pm

re: #169 Interesting Times

ATTN Burn Unit, casualties incoming:

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Hey, hey, hey…watch it there Ted! I respect you. Let’s not be associating the Cleveland Browns, as bad as they are, with Donald Trump.

Sheesh. People.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:08:13pm

re: #174 dangerman

After the signs were gonna need uniforms to tell the sides apart

The password is “Library”

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:08:50pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No one is shutting you up

We just don’t want to listen

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:09:01pm
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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:09:27pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:09:37pm

re: #175 ObserverArt

The Browns are 1-31 the last two seasons, which means they’ve won one more than Trump.

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Archangelus  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:10:59pm

Earlier today i asked about the “Israeli schoolteacher with a gun” meme i’d never seen before. Then as if on cue, I start seeing it in my social media feeds.
It is such total bullshit. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:10:59pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:11:06pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:11:09pm

re: #171 William Lewis

Might sort of work for one or two shots. Not even as well as the oil filter hack. Is that enough to risk 10 years at club fed? OTOH, since the things won’t work worth a damn, one could argue no constructive intent is possible.

The ATF has arrested people for exactly this kind of thing before. At least they did before Trump. With the right high temperature glue or a proper sanding and brazing job it will last a good long time, especially with subsonic .223 or .22lr ammo. There’s no legit purpose for it, no real muzzle brake in that caliber needs to be longer than a couple inches tops because by the time the bullet gets that far all the gas will have exited the barrel and without a tube to trap it will have been directed to the sides and back to reduce felt recoil. Anything longer than that should be prima facie evidence of intent to violate the NFA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:11:20pm
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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:15:02pm

re: #165 Dave In Austin

He has the presence of a pancake griddle, but somehow it’s effective.

I love that

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:16:21pm

re: #166 Unshaken Defiance

Oven fried honey chicken? Do tell please.

I cribbed this

Not bad not great

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:19:03pm
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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:19:34pm

re: #181 Archangelus

Yeah, the NRA and right wing gun humpers would go nuts if the US implemented an Israel-style gun control, because it would mean most everyone would not have a gun.

It’s also rather telling that when you see photos used by right wingers as proof of Israelis having easy access to guns, the photos are inevitably of women in uniform.

Yeah - women in UNIFORM. They’re soldiers or police.

But this nonsense will never end - nor will the fact that all of this idolization of Israeli culture ends the moment when people realize that they’ve got a far more liberal outlook in many ways (health care, abortion, tight gun control, etc.) that these right wingers would never tolerate if enacted here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:19:47pm

re: #129 The Major

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:21:12pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

The password is “Library”

Not swordfish?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:21:20pm

OK, who else would like to lock Mike Pence in a room for several hours,

alone with Johnny Weir?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:22:21pm

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

Was about to offer you a different article on the same story. Note that he has a history—this was the second bust.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:23:08pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

Not Johnny’s type.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:24:30pm

re: #179 jaunte

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The other Fantasyland were dealing with

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:24:37pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Back when the US still flew the Space Shuttle, I went out one time to see the ISS and Shuttle as they were in the process of rendezvousing. It was pretty cool to see the ISS suddenly appear in the night sky as the sun’s rays caught it coming over the horizon.

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:26:19pm

re: #181 Archangelus

re: #189 lawhawk

There’s no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it and not having a gun and not shooting someone. There have been studies made and there is no connection at all there. Yes, it’s absolute proof.

-Bill Hicks

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:27:34pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Was about to offer you a different article on the same story. Note that he has a history—this was the second bust.

That may say more than anything else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:29:01pm

re: #196 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Back when the US still flew the Space Shuttle, I went out one time to see the ISS and Shuttle as they were in the process of rendezvousing. It was pretty cool to see the ISS suddenly appear in the night sky as the sun’s rays caught it coming over the horizon.

The Space Station one time passed directly over our house, broad daylight/late afternoon, low orbit.

We could see actual details like the solar arrays.

Too cool for words.

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fern01  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:29:14pm

re: #37 PhillyPretzel

One of the many reasons why I stay here. That and almost everyone here does not complain when I post something about PBS. :)

I come here because no-one has told me to shut up, p!ss off, or get f…ed
Which has happened one time or another at most other online sites - regardless of their political leanings.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:30:50pm

re: #200 fern01

I come here because no-one has told me to shut up, p!ss off, or get f…ed
Which has happened one time or another at most other online sites - regardless of their political leanings.

Piss off.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:31:07pm

Someone had to do it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:31:33pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Piss off.

You’re doing it wrong. Put properly, it’s, “Go piss up a rope.”

//

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:31:44pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Was about to offer you a different article on the same story. Note that he has a history—this was the second bust.

Right, but that’s just an artifact of a limited enforcement budget. Only an idiot would buy or sell that and be confident that they won’t catch a very serious visit in the indefinite future.

Like, I don’t do felonious shit (as far as you know) but if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t be transacting it electronically with randos on eBay.

Listen, all I’m saying is that people are the worst and generally I am not a fan of them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:32:53pm

re: #183 teleskiguy

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I remember Chez. Remember going to his memorial and then heading for temple for Purim. Still keep in touch with Taryn on Facebook.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:32:54pm

Finely tuned, precision policy shop.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:34:03pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

Right, but that’s just an artifact of a limited enforcement budget. Only an idiot would buy or sell that and be confident that they won’t catch a very serious visit in the indefinite future.

Like, I don’t do felonious shit (as far as you know) but if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t be transacting it electronically with randos on eBay.

Listen, all I’m saying is that people are the worst.

Talk of homebrew silencers brings Ghost Dog to mind—it was on one of the retro channels last night.

imdb.com

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:35:05pm

re: #207 Decatur Deb

Talk of homebrew silencers brings Ghost Dog to mind—it was on one of the retro channels last night.

imdb.com

Love that movie.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:35:16pm

re: #86 jaunte

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Most transparent! Hill destroyed all the incriminating evidence of her crimes!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:35:49pm

re: #208 goddamnedfrank

Love that movie.

“He’s sending us out like old-time gangsters.”

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:35:55pm

re: #200 fern01

I come here because no-one has told me to shut up, p!ss off, or get f…ed
Which has happened one time or another at most other online sites - regardless of their political leanings.

Where do you stand on pineapple/pizza?

Be careful how you answer

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:36:09pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Space Station one time passed directly over our house, broad daylight/late afternoon, low orbit.

We could see actual details like the solar arrays.

Too cool for words.

OH, I remember the multiple times when the shuttle was landing at Edwards and the sonic booms would crack in pairs as it flew over Los Angeles.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:37:26pm

re: #82 mmmirele

Is Anonymouse or any other veteran around? I have a question.

I heard that Trump has set the day for his big military march for November 11 (Veterans’ Day). Uh, would veterans be offended if Americans like me, who never served, were to go to Washington and protest this shit show?

Seriously, though, is this a “protest this crazy” or “stay the fuck away from this crazy” moment?

Nope. Protest away at this travesty.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:37:50pm

re: #206 jaunte

I don’t think the WTO will look kindly on that number. But I suppose Trump expects the USA to leave the WTO.

Also, don’t we have existing trade agreements that would be violated by a 25% tariff?

I don’t see many positive outcomes of this crack-brained idea.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:37:51pm

I spent a lot of time on a hobby-related site that had an “anything goes!” forum. That became the most interesting. But over time, even though most of the members were progressive or liberal leaning, about five or six fact-free types came to dominate every discussion. I doesn’t take much. I knew about LGF from the Dan Rather fiasco many years ago, but was pleased to see it more settled. I’ll admit that I like it here because the variety is across the range of left-to-center contributors. That may seem like a bubble to some, but there is a No-BS reality check that makes it a valuable source of information about politics, but also music and other fun stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:38:32pm

re: #190 Joe Bacon 🌹

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No one is blaming law abiding gun owners. We are however blaming bad laws that Loesch and her asshole organization have pushed. Besides I don’t see Shapiro attacking the Republicans blaming video games or movies for violence but that’s because he’s a dishonest hack.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:38:55pm

This whole response thread is ridiculous. Dana insists the NRA-ILA (NRA Institute for Legislative Action) is not the “NRA” but a separated group

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:39:10pm

re: #206 jaunte

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Finely tuned, precision policy shop.

Manufacturers like Boeing that rely now on tons of foreign steel are gonna love that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:39:54pm

re: #206 jaunte

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Finely tuned, precision policy shop.

Come on Trump, do the real ego stroking thing and shoot for 45!

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A Mom Anon  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:40:04pm

re: #190 Joe Bacon 🌹

Someone needs to tell Ben his profile picture looks like an American Psycho movie poster.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:40:06pm

re: #215 Barefoot Grin

I spent a lot of time on a hobby-related site that had an “anything goes!” forum. That became the most interesting. But over time, even though most of the members were progressive or liberal leaning, about five or six fact-free types came to dominate every discussion. I doesn’t take much. I knew about LGF from the Dan Rather fiasco many years ago, but was pleased to see it more settled. I’ll admit that I like it here because the variety is across the range of left-to-center contributors. That may seem like a bubble to some, but there is a No-BS reality check that makes it a valuable source of information about politics, but also music and other fun stuff.

What I like about it here is the lack of tolerance for conspiracy bs and attempts to be accurate on information.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:40:56pm
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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:41:23pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

This whole response thread is ridiculous. Dana insists the NRA-ILA (NRA Institute for Legislative Action) is not the “NRA” but a separated group

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Yeah, they look totally separate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:41:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:41:57pm

Republicans be like: Carry your baby to term and have lots of kids because God but if those kids get shot at school then fuck you, it’s their own damn fault.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:42:03pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

There’s an SES slot for Stormy somewhere.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:42:03pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

This whole response thread is ridiculous. Dana insists the NRA-ILA (NRA Institute for Legislative Action) is not the “NRA” but a separated group

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She’s full of shit. They most definitely are a lobby group. And she doesn’t represent all American gun owners. She represents kooks and manufactures and I’ll tell you another thing, I bet she’s nowhere near as knowledgeable about guns as she claims.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:42:42pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:43:19pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

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Jeez.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:43:25pm

What is it with all the Alt-Right’s love for Russian dictator Putin?

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:43:51pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

This whole response thread is ridiculous. Dana insists the NRA-ILA (NRA Institute for Legislative Action) is not the “NRA” but a separated group

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Damn that public information

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:44:29pm

Damn. Condolences to the family. The third death at a ski area in Colorado this winter.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:44:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:45:12pm

re: #230 DodgerFan1988

What is it with all the Alt-Right’s love for Russian dictator Putin?

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He’s homophobic, sexist, nationalist, theocratic, what’s a RWNJ not to like? A sane person otoh.

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fern01  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:45:51pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Someone had to do it.

I actually cried when I read this - no idea if it is a joke but I didn’t find it funny

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:46:56pm

You know what I’d like to see? Republican politicians to stop auctioning AR-15s as if they’re baked goods. Republican office holders encourage gun hoarding and parsons through their actions and rhetoric.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:47:24pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

What I like about it here is the lack of tolerance for conspiracy bs and attempts to be accurate on information.

And the fact that if someone is wrong they will admit it and correct it immediately.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:47:37pm

re: #235 fern01

I actually cried when I read this - no idea if it is a joke but I didn’t find it funny

It was a joke, I promise you.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:47:55pm

re: #230 DodgerFan1988

What is it with all the Alt-Right’s love for Russian dictator Putin?

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Putin’s an “alpha male” who approves invasions of sovereign nations, interference with foreign elections, assassination of his opponents, and alliances with mass murderers. Totally an admirable guy!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:48:24pm

Ken Starr asked me several times if I was “doing O.K.” A stranger might have surmised from his tone that he had actually worried about me over the years. His demeanor, almost pastoral, was somewhere between avuncular and creepy. He kept touching my arm and elbow, which made me uncomfortable.

vanityfair.com

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:48:59pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

What I like about it here is the lack of tolerance for conspiracy bs and attempts to be accurate on information.

Absolutely!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:49:14pm

re: #237 Ace Rothstein

And the fact that if someone is wrong they will admit it and correct it immediately.

Yep and if you are wrong and you admit it, you won’t get badgered over it.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:51:00pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:51:08pm

re: #241 Barefoot Grin

Absolutely!

I used to post on a lefty blog in the Bush years. Lotta 9/11 truthers unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:52:13pm

re: #239 wheat-dogg

Putin’s an “alpha male” who approves invasions of sovereign nations, interference with foreign elections, assassination of his opponents, and alliances with mass murderers. Totally an admirable guy!

But he doesn’t wear Mom jeans and is so dreamy.

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:53:30pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:53:55pm

re: #243 jaunte

WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ BADGERS!!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:54:26pm

re: #239 wheat-dogg

Putin’s an “alpha male” who approves invasions of sovereign nations, interference with foreign elections, assassination of his opponents, and alliances with mass murderers. Totally an admirable guy!

And don’t forget that Franky Graham Cracker loves him because he’s such a “man of the Lawd”…

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:55:41pm

re: #235 fern01

I actually cried when I read this - no idea if it is a joke but I didn’t find it funny

totally a joke. the internets can savagely strip out intent and emotion

now about that pizza pineapple thing…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:55:53pm

re: #248 Joe Bacon 🌹

And don’t forget that Franky Graham Cracker loves him because he’s such a “man of the Lawd”…

Yep they love his theocratic tendencies.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:58:40pm

The thing I’ve niticed is wingers are okay with authoritarianism as long as it’s the right kind and let’s be honest this isn’t a new development. Reagan fully embraced many autocratic regimes. Believe he at one point even likened the contras to the founders as reports about them raping nuns cane in.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 5:59:06pm

re: #247 teleskiguy

WE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ BADGERS!!!

honey badger don’t care

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:01:32pm

re: #252 dangerman

honey badger don’t care

I’ll post the motherfucker. Why not?

The Crazy Nastyass Honey Badger (original narration by Randall)

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:03:07pm

re: #25 makeitstop

Yeah, I’ve noticed that when 2A fanatics read ‘sensible gun regulations,’ for some reason they see ‘total weapons ban.’ I’ll never figure that out.

For them it probably will be. Even a cursory psychiatric evaluation will come to the conclusion, “This person shouldn’t play with anything sharper than a rubber ball.”

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:04:11pm

Here’s a look at the man who was shot:

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:08:11pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

But he doesn’t wear Mom jeans and is so dreamy.

I bet he owns not one tan suit and always puts ketchup on his hamburgers.

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:11:16pm

re: #256 wheat-dogg

I bet he owns not one tan suit and always puts ketchup on his hamburgers.

I put an onion ring on my burgers.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:13:02pm

re: #240 Barefoot Grin

Ken Starr asked me several times if I was “doing O.K.” A stranger might have surmised from his tone that he had actually worried about me over the years. His demeanor, almost pastoral, was somewhere between avuncular and creepy. He kept touching my arm and elbow, which made me uncomfortable.

vanityfair.com

After implicating Ken Starr, it would be irresponsible not to include:

Given my PTSD and my understanding of trauma, it’s very likely that my thinking would not necessarily be changing at this time had it not been for the #MeToo movement—not only because of the new lens it has provided but also because of how it has offered new avenues toward the safety that comes from solidarity. Just four years ago, in an essay for this magazine, I wrote the following: “Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship. Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position.” I now see how problematic it was that the two of us even got to a place where there was a question of consent. Instead, the road that led there was littered with inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege. (Full stop.)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:13:47pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

I put an onion ring on my burgers.

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Then there’s the White Trash burger: Deep fried cheese curds, deep fried bacon, Velveeta cheese. I’m having a heart attack just reading the description.

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makeitstop  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:17:17pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

I put an onion ring on my burgers.

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Todd Rundgren- Boogies (Hamburger Hell) 07-13-2010

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:25:02pm

re: #258 Barefoot Grin

After implicating Ken Starr, it would be irresponsible not to include:

Given my PTSD and my understanding of trauma, it’s very likely that my thinking would not necessarily be changing at this time had it not been for the #MeToo movement—not only because of the new lens it has provided but also because of how it has offered new avenues toward the safety that comes from solidarity. Just four years ago, in an essay for this magazine, I wrote the following: “Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship. Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position.” I now see how problematic it was that the two of us even got to a place where there was a question of consent. Instead, the road that led there was littered with inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege. (Full stop.)

Yep, Lewinsky was failed, manipulated and used by pretty much everyone around her from Bill Clinton to Linda Tripp to Ken Starr. At no point did any of them bother to contemplate how their actions would impact on her life.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:28:49pm

President Trump’s personal pilot “is on the administration’s short list to head the Federal Aviation Administration,” Axios reports

what the actual fuck

I can pilot a plane means I can administer a multi billion dollar agency?

what the actual fuck is going on in dc?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:29:19pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

I put an onion ring on my burgers.

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I haven’t been able to look at onion rings with a straight face ever since Dr. Ruth was on Late Night with Letterman and she suggested that they be used in an x-rated version of ring toss.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:30:10pm
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geosherman  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:31:21pm

re: #185 Backwoods_SleuthThank You! Saw the Space Station this morning!

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:35:10pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How is that okay? Beyond crass. Beyond distasteful. Not normal.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:36:23pm

re: #262 dangerman

President Trump’s personal pilot “is on the administration’s short list to head the Federal Aviation Administration,” Axios reports

what the actual fuck

I can pilot a plane means I can administer a multi billion dollar agency?

what the actual fuck is going on in dc?

Cronyism, nepotism, pretty much all of the -ism’s that are bad things.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:37:01pm

re: #262 dangerman

President Trump’s personal pilot “is on the administration’s short list to head the Federal Aviation Administration,” Axios reports

what the actual fuck

I can pilot a plane means I can administer a multi billion dollar agency?

what the actual fuck is going on in dc?

He’s loyal to Trump. That’s all that matters.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:38:10pm

re: #267 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Cronyism, nepotism, pretty much all of the -ism’s that are bad things.

I guess there’s just no one else left who would do it

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:38:45pm

re: #269 dangerman

I guess there’s just no one else left who would do it

Someone earlier was asking about Stormy Daniels. My snark response was that she would replace Betsy DeVos as education secretary. I’m sure she’s learned a few boys a thing or two about how to be a man.////

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:38:48pm

re: #262 dangerman

President Trump’s personal pilot “is on the administration’s short list to head the Federal Aviation Administration,” Axios reports

what the actual fuck

I can pilot a plane means I can administer a multi billion dollar agency?

what the actual fuck is going on in dc?

What? Qualifications aren’t needed to serve in this administration. All you need is to be loyal and friendly to Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:39:12pm

re: #262 dangerman

President Trump’s personal pilot “is on the administration’s short list to head the Federal Aviation Administration,” Axios reports

what the actual fuck

I can pilot a plane means I can administer a multi billion dollar agency?

what the actual fuck is going on in dc?

this is how it all began in Panem.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:41:12pm

re: #220 A Mom Anon

Someone needs to tell Ben his profile picture looks like an American Psycho movie poster.

So it works for him then.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:42:30pm

re: #271 Patricia Kayden

What? Qualifications aren’t needed to serve in this administration. All you need is to be loyal and friendly to Trump.

you really could swap em around

put this guy in education
devos in energy
Perry in epa
and Pruitt in the faa

let baron run the nsa…he knows computers right?

no functional difference

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:42:57pm

re: #262 dangerman

President Trump’s personal pilot “is on the administration’s short list to head the Federal Aviation Administration,” Axios reports

what the actual fuck

I can pilot a plane means I can administer a multi billion dollar agency?

what the actual fuck is going on in dc?

This is what happens when he turns the WH into a family biz and nobody lifts a fucking finger. Looking at you Congress and Senate.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:45:25pm

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

This is what happens when he turns the WH into a family biz and nobody lifts a fucking finger. Looking at you Congress and Senate.

this exactly so.much
congress has abdicated

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:45:31pm

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

It’s the same way that Ben Carson heads HUD. He lives in a home after all, and that’s all the qualifications needed to run a federal agency/department overseeing billions of dollars in programs annually.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:45:45pm

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

This is what happens when he turns the WH into a family biz and nobody lifts a fucking finger. Looking at you Congress and Senate.

We already know that the First Family is profiting enormously from their time in the mansion at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But yet, they tolerate it because he has the power to deliver what they crave most - a complete reversal of everything That Dirty Black Man ever inflicted on this country.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:46:06pm

re: #267 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Cronyism, nepotism, pretty much all of the -ism’s that are bad things.

Well, that and no halfway sane person wants anything to do with Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:46:13pm

re: #179 jaunte

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We have a mostly useless media. I wonder if she’d submit to being grilled by the likes of Joy Reid. That would be much watch tv.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:46:17pm

re: #278 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We already know that the First Family is profiting enormously from their time in the mansion at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But yet, they tolerate it because he has the power to deliver what they crave most - a complete reversal of everything That Dirty Black Man ever inflicted on this country.

It’s that dirty 4-termer they’re after.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:46:22pm

Just realized that today is George Harrison’s birthday.

Happy Birthday, George!

George Harrison - This Song HD HQ 1976

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:46:44pm

re: #271 Patricia Kayden

What? Qualifications aren’t needed to serve in this administration. All you need is to be loyal and friendly to Trump.

That’s why so many of the agencies haven’t been staffed.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:46:56pm

re: #277 lawhawk

It’s the same way that Ben Carson heads HUD. He lives in a home after all, and that’s all the qualifications needed to run a federal agency/department overseeing billions of dollars in programs annually.

You could make a semi-sane argument that Carson could be Surgeon General. He speaks Hospital.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:47:02pm

re: #281 Belafon

It’s that dirty 4-termer they’re after.

While true, I don’t think they’re that foresighted. I seriously do think they can’t see any further than the undoing of all of Obama’s policies. Once they succeed in that, I don’t think they’ll know what to do with themselves.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:47:33pm

Obama: let’s get a nuclear physicist to run the Energy Department.
Trump: let’s get the guy who couldn’t remember that the Energy Department was one of the departments he wanted to eliminated when he was running for president to run the Energy Department.

The Energy Department oversees the United States nuclear weapons stockpile and is safeguarding our nuclear capabilities.

That, in a nutshell, is everything wrong with Trump.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:47:58pm

re: #277 lawhawk

It’s the same way that Ben Carson heads HUD. He lives in a home after all, and that’s all the qualifications needed to run a federal agency/department overseeing billions of dollars in programs annually.

I forgot about him. like he never makes the. news. whoda thunk him one of the least controversial cabinet members.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:49:21pm

re: #284 Decatur Deb

You could make a semi-sane argument that Carson could be Surgeon General. He speaks Hospital.

He couldn’t do much damage there, plus there aren’t many grifting opportunities for his family.

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dangerman  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:52:03pm

now im depressed

I’m out

well try again tomorrow

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:53:03pm

re: #277 lawhawk

It’s the same way that Ben Carson heads HUD. He lives in a home after all, and that’s all the qualifications needed to run a federal agency/department overseeing billions of dollars in programs annually.

Carson heads HUD because he’s black and the U stands for Urban and urban is GOP code for black people.

That was the sum total of the thought process that went into nominating him.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:54:14pm

re: #284 Decatur Deb

You could make a semi-sane argument that Carson could be Surgeon General. He speaks Hospital.

He is eminently qualified to be Surgeon General. He would be terrible, but he is qualified.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:55:46pm

Well that was gut wrenching…….

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:56:43pm

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

Token black guy.

Then there’s Rick Perry at Energy who had no idea what the department does. We went from an award winning physicist running the agency to a nitwit who didn’t realize the Energy Dept oversees the nation’s nuclear stockpile.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:57:30pm

I’ve got a scenario for you. At a school where teachers are allowed to carry weapons, the guy who is going to start shooting places plastic toys that look like guns around the school as he’s shooting.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 6:59:35pm

re: #293 lawhawk

Ernie’s the Man
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:02:51pm
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:05:58pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

This whole response thread is ridiculous. Dana insists the NRA-ILA (NRA Institute for Legislative Action) is not the “NRA” but a separated group

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Oh Dana

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:08:04pm
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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:11:30pm

re: #287 dangerman

I forgot about him. like he never makes the. news. whoda thunk him one of the least controversial cabinet members.

Yes, but that’s part of the plan. Carson is stealthily dismantling HUD programs, mostly by inactivity.

Is Anybody Home at HUD?
A long-harbored conservative dream — the “dismantling of the administrative state” — is taking place under Secretary Ben Carson.
nymag.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:12:23pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Given he wanted to execute the Central Park 5, though they proved innocent, this is no surprise. He probably figures only African Americans and Hispanics would be killed. Remember, he also favored killing family members of terrorists.

Cadet Bone Spurs is a bully and a coward.

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whitebeach  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:16:03pm

re: #263 Joe Bacon 🌹

I haven’t been able to look at onion rings with a straight face ever since Dr. Ruth was on Late Night with Letterman and she suggested that they be used in an x-rated version of ring toss.

God damn it, Joe, by whatever you hold sacred, don’t tell us what Dr. Ruth said about French Onion Dip.

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rhuarc  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:17:05pm

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Obviously this shows there was very little difference between the 2 candidates! lulz

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:17:10pm

re: #299 wheat-dogg

Yes, but that’s part of the plan. Carson is stealthily dismantling HUD programs, mostly by inactivity.

Is Anybody Home at HUD?
A long-harbored conservative dream — the “dismantling of the administrative state” — is taking place under Secretary Ben Carson.
nymag.com

Except for Mattis, probably every Cabinet member is damaging their department.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:18:43pm
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A Cranky One  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:19:28pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

I put an onion ring on my burgers.

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What, no Spam?

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:19:32pm

re: #299 wheat-dogg

Yes, but that’s part of the plan. Carson is stealthily dismantling HUD programs, mostly by inactivity.

Is Anybody Home at HUD?
A long-harbored conservative dream — the “dismantling of the administrative state” — is taking place under Secretary Ben Carson.
nymag.com

To paraphrase Sarah Kendzior, one mark of an authoritarian regime is the constant flow of news and opinion — often contradictory — to throw the opposition off balance, while the regime behind the smokescreen quietly dismantles the state. Carson at HUD, DeVos at Education, Tillerson at State, et alia — they are all there to strip the walls down to the 2x4s, gut the Civil Service staff, and all but kill existing programs through inactivity/defunding. Meanwhile, everyone focuses on the constant shitstorm revolving around the Oval Office and the Twitler.

Removing Trump from office is only the first step. If Pence replaces him, he will probably keep the same cast of characters, who will continue to reduce the executive branch to rubble.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:24:25pm

re: #300 Hecuba’s daughter

Given he wanted to execute the Central Park 5, though they proved innocent, this is no surprise. He probably figures only African Americans and Hispanics would be killed. Remember, he also favored killing family members of terrorists.

Cadet Bone Spurs is a bully and a coward.

I think it is much worse than that.

As I said earlier, he has a taste for violence and death. Maybe he has never acted, but it is there. Just think of all his statements.

There’s the ones you mention. There is this bit about killing drug dealers.

There was his comment about being able to go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone and he would still get votes.

There was comment just the other night about a teacher having a gun and they would have taken Cruz right out in Florida.

He seemed to get off on wanting his supporters to beat up on protesters at his rally. He said in the old days they have to carry people like that out on a stretcher.

I’m sure if I spend more time I could think of more. Research and there are probably even more.

So yeah, bully and coward packed into a person that may be one step from being homicidal.

And I know, we shouldn’t diagnose someone we’ve never met, but he hangs his bent out for all to see.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:25:34pm

re: #303 Hecuba’s daughter

Except for Mattis, probably every Cabinet member is damaging their department.

A story yesterday said that Mattis blew a deadline on responding to the president on the TG troop ban. “Missed deadline” is cabinet-department language for “Fuck You”. You can renegotiate a deadline, you do not blow one off.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:26:04pm

re: #306 wheat-dogg

….
Removing Trump from office is only the first step. If Pence replaces him, he will probably keep the same cast of characters, who will continue to reduce the executive branch to rubble.

As will Ryan or any Republican who takes office. The only difference with Ryan may be that he would want to preserve the State Department — everything else, he would treat like Trump.

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The Major  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:26:16pm

re: #230 DodgerFan1988

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:26:42pm

Way off topic: I’ve been watching Season 2 of The Expanse and why are they always spacing people when air is so damn valuable?

Dumb scifi trope is dumb.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:29:12pm

re: #311 goddamnedfrank

Way off topic: I’ve been watching Season 2 of The Expanse and why are they always spacing people when air is so damn valuable?

Dumb scifi trope is dumb.

Also water, there’s a lot of water in the human body you can recycle and yeah I should probably stop talking for awhile.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:29:27pm

I just stepped outside for a smoke and there is a nice moon-glow halo. It is maybe high 30’s, mostly clear sky, little moisture in the air. Looks so delicate.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:30:49pm

re: #313 Eventual Carrion

I just stepped outside for a smoke and there is a nice moon-glow halo. It is maybe high 30’s, mostly clear sky, little moisture in the air. Looks so delicate.

Must be nice. Here, it is in the 10’s of degrees F, and the snow is thick upon the ground. We got 8” and change of snow between Thursday night and last night. The roads are mostly clear, though, thanks to some hot solar action during the day Friday and today.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:32:05pm

re: #263 Joe Bacon 🌹

I haven’t been able to look at onion rings with a straight face ever since Dr. Ruth was on Late Night with Letterman and she suggested that they be used in an x-rated version of ring toss.

With a SM twist if you do it right after taking them out of the oil.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:34:32pm

re: #311 goddamnedfrank

Way off topic: I’ve been watching Season 2 of The Expanse and why are they always spacing people when air is so damn valuable?

Dumb scifi trope is dumb.

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

Also water, there’s a lot of water in the human body you can recycle and yeah I should probably stop talking for awhile.

Drama.

Also, it’s a trope from the 1950s SF of Heinlein and others, that somehow people living in space would somehow regulate their own behavior, for fear of being pushed out the airlock.

Practically speaking, if you wanted to execute someone in an airlock, you could just evacuate the air without opening the hatch, then recycle the remains. But for TV/movies, the idea of recycling dead bodies would probably revolt a lot of the viewers.

Soylent Green!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:37:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:38:27pm
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whitebeach  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:41:20pm

re: #313 Eventual Carrion

I just stepped outside for a smoke and there is a nice moon-glow halo. It is maybe high 30’s, mostly clear sky, little moisture in the air. Looks so delicate.

Updinged for “just stepped outside for a smoke.” This has meant one thing in my life, then another thing, then back to the first thing. I’ve enjoyed them all.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:41:29pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

Also water, there’s a lot of water in the human body you can recycle and yeah I should probably stop talking for awhile.

Nah, your just channeling Dune and the Freman deathstill

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The Major  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:44:07pm

re: #319 whitebeach

Updinged for “just stepped outside for a smoke.” This has meant one thing in my life, then another thing, then back to the first thing. I’ve enjoyed them all.

A guy at my old cigar bar back in the Twin Cities had a custom T-Shirt made up that had a lit cigar at the bottom and on to of the cigar it said: “This is my therapist.”

I should get some made up for my current haunt….

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:44:18pm

Trump wants all convicts to suffer. Up next, Drawing & Quartering.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:45:32pm

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

Trump wants all convicts to suffer. Up next, Drawing & Quartering.

[Embedded content]

The guy is freaking dying of natural causes and Alabama prison medical care.

pr.org

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:54:55pm

How reliable of a news source is Axios? It appears to be the originator of these horrible stories of Trump putting a 25% tariff on imported steel, appointing his personal pilot to head the FAA and then it gets amplified by other dodgy sources like RawStory and TheHill.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 7:57:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:00:35pm
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whitebeach  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:07:14pm

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

How reliable of a news source is Axios? It appears to be the originator of these horrible stories of Trump putting a 25% tariff on imported steel, appointing his personal pilot to head the FAA and then it gets amplified by other dodgy sources like RawStory and TheHill.

It’s hard to say. I remember when my ex-landlord’s wife, having read a Dinesh D’Souza book (flush and wash your hands), swore to me that Obama was going to impose a 100% income tax on everyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:08:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:09:53pm

dana is not having a good evening.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:11:37pm

Do as you wish with this person.

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:12:35pm

Tonight’s season finale of “Victoria” — OMG they’re so fucking with us.

So three great season-long romance subplots came to fruition tonight, with happy happy joy joy engagements. There’s

1) the guy with incurable syphilis, is engaged to the woman he loves who loves him but she’s willing to have a sexless marriage because “I just want to be by your side”.

2) the girl who almost married a gay guy, except he died heroically the episode after she realized he’s gay and can’t even fake being attracted to her… is proposed to by the dead fiance’s boyfriend because their shared mourning has brought them together (and “there’s more than one kind of love”.

and

3) the cook and dresser who’ll marry in secret and be together in secret, since being single is a job requirement and they don’t want to be fired.

Also,

the cinematographers and set dressers made EVERY SINGLE SCENE look like a Currier & Ives print.

So very Victorian.

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Slump-chan  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:19:49pm

re: #257 teleskiguy

I put an onion ring on my burgers.

Hot Dogs Corn Dogs Triple Bacon Cheeseburgers Deep Fried Butter Dipped In Pork Fat Cheese Whiz Mayonnaise BBQ Mozzarella Patty Melt!

Two Triple Cheese Side Order of Fries - Commander Cody

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Stanley Sea  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:26:43pm
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:26:54pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

She argues with people in the comments that the ILA is a separate group, thus the NRA is not a lobbying group. Now you know how they can argue that an AR-15 is not an assault weapon.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:29:07pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this one cracks me up:

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:33:53pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

dana is not having a good evening.

Wayne and her have been putting on a clinic in whatever the antithesis of crisis management is called. It’s really crazy because in the past the NRA has had the good sense to go dark following major mass shooting media coverage. But now with Trump in office it’s like they’ve approached this thing with some combination of emboldened headass smugness (because they know Trump and the Republicans won’t actually do anything) and the anything goes rabid defensiveness of a wild-eyed cornered shithouse rat. The result has been uniquely off-puting and as the damage accrues, costing them all or nearly all of their corporate partners now, they just keep digging in further like a gambler going all in on a bad hand.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:34:09pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I hope the judge takes that son of a CENSORED to the cleaners and seizes all of his wealth and assets. On top of that I want to see the judge permanently ban him from stock and financial management!

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plansbandc  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:35:41pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:40:18pm

re: #336 goddamnedfrank

Wayne and her have been putting on a clinic in whatever the antithesis of crisis management is called. It’s really crazy because in the past the NRA has had the good sense to go dark following major mass shooting media coverage. But now with Trump in office it’s like they’ve approached this thing with some combination of emboldened headass smugness (because they know Trump and the Republicans won’t actually do anything) and the anything goes rabid defensiveness of a wild-eyed cornered shithouse rat. The result has been uniquely off-puting and as the damage accrue, costing them all or nearly all of their corporate partners now, they just keep digging in further like a gambler going all in on a bad hand.

Let Draft Dodger Psycho Wayne-0, Dana Doofus and Talky Tami from the Twilight Zone continue to utter their bullshit. The more they open their mouths the more people will be repelled from the Tiny Penis Club!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:44:32pm

re: #336 goddamnedfrank

The Parkland kids did a great job of calling the NRA out intensely and repeatedly almost immediately following the shooting. They basically backed the NRA in to a corner and left no choice but to respond.

I wonder how many legit members they actually have? Something tells me it’s a hell of a lot less than 5 million.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:45:39pm

re: #336 goddamnedfrank

“…shithouse rat…”

A young British lady artist visited the 91st BG in the mid forties to do the nose art for Outhouse Mouse. It was a gentler time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:49:18pm

re: #340 Eclectic Cyborg

The Parkland kids did a great job of calling the NRA out intensely and repeatedly almost immediately following the shooting. They basically backed the NRA in to a corner and left no choice but to respond.

I wonder how many legit members they actually have? Something tells me it’s a hell of a lot less than 5 million.

I know a couple members and they regurgitate NRA propaganda at the drop of a hat. Whatever Wayne says, they believe. These are educated men — one with a PhD in history — but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t totally gullible.

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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:50:28pm
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meteor  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:51:29pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:55:43pm
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BigPapa  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:57:26pm

Theosaurus Rex

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 8:57:48pm

re: #340 Eclectic Cyborg

The Parkland kids did a great job of calling the NRA out intensely and repeatedly almost immediately following the shooting. They basically backed the NRA in to a corner and left no choice but to respond.

I wonder how many legit members they actually have? Something tells me it’s a hell of a lot less than 5 million.

In the past they would’ve responded through prepared anodyne press releases and kept their people in defilade. They learned, for awhile at least, after letting Michael Moore interview old addled Charlton Heston. They got off easy then because Heston was sick and therefore somewhat sympathetic and Moore tended to come off somewhat as an ass. They didn’t let their people walk unprepared into an ambush like that again until Dana thought publicly arguing on national television with a bunch of teenage mass shooting survivors was a good idea.

It was not a good idea.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:03:42pm

Haven’t watched yet, but it appears Mr. NutterButter made an appearance, as hoped

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whitebeach  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:03:59pm

re: #341 Decatur Deb

“…shithouse rat…”

A young British lady artist visited the 91st BG in the mid forties to do the nose art for Outhouse Mouse. It was a gentler time.

[Embedded content]

From the opening pages of Kennedy for the Defense, by George V. Higgins, an author with whom any civilized human should have at least a nodding familiarity:

“I have a client named Teddy Franklin. Teddy Franklin is a car thief. He is 32 years old and is one of the best car thieves on the Eastern Seaboard. Cadillac Ted is so good he is able to support himself as a car thief. He has been arrested repeatedly, but he has never done time. That is because I am good. It is also because Teddy is so good.

“Teddy is as cute as a shithouse rat.”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:08:50pm

LOL

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:09:49pm

re: #349 whitebeach

Been reading up on the Mouse. It completed 139 combat missions, which is close to the B-17 record. On the final one it took a flak hit on the target run, losing an engine and severing 5 of 7 control cables. The run was bad, so it stayed in formation and went around again.

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whitebeach  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:11:55pm

re: #351 Decatur Deb

Been reading up on the Mouse. It completed 139 combat missions, which is close to the B-17 record. On the final one it took a flak hit on the target run, losing an engine and severing 5 of 7 control cables. The run was bad, so it stayed in formation and went around again.

You’re shithouseratting me. Man, there was giants in the earth, and in the air, in them days.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:15:43pm

Black Panther made 108 million on weekend #2. A lot of movies don’t get close to that on their opening weekends.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:22:32pm

Someone mentioned my name earlier in the day when I was logged out asking if I would object to a protest of Donald Trump’s proposed ego stroking strongman parade with the military on Veterans Day.

I of course would not object. I think the whole idea of such a parade is repugnant (never mind the damage to DC’s infrastructure, the military itself saying it would impact military readiness by taking tens of thousands of troops to move equipment, costing upwards of $100,000,000 in the name of fiscal conservatism when that money could be put to a less flashy use - like funding the VA, &c). It’s also a giant FU to DC residents (who get no say in this and lo, voted for Hillary Clinton).

In theory this could be done in a place with lots of military personnel and equipment close by (like Ft. Hood, for example) to reduce the cost, time, and impact on the military. That’s not the point (particularly since the White House is not saying he will even be there).

As for protesting, I can see it being spun a couple different ways by conservatives. That said, if I was in the area I would likely protest. They would deflect with:

a) Liberals don’t support the troops, veterans, or the President (or all of those)
b) No liberals going would not significantly reduce the crowd: Plenty of conservatives would come in from out-of-town to support this.

If I was protesting, I would keep protest placards on the point that this is a banana republic exercise, or a massive waste of money. I wouldn’t attack Donald Trump in a protest sign, and certainly wouldn’t go after the troops in the parade with one.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:22:52pm

This needs to be updated with Dana.

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guachi  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:24:38pm

So far, after appropriate adjustments, Black Panther is running about 10% behind The Avengers 1. That’s really good (obviously) and would put it 6th overall for superhero movies if it stays that way for its run after:

Superman 1 (1978)
Batman (1989)
Avengers 1 (2012)
Batman: The Dark Knight (2008)
Spider-Man 1 (2002)

(All grosses adjusted)

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:29:14pm

re: #356 guachi

So far, after appropriate adjustments, Black Panther is running about 10% behind The Avengers 1. That’s really good (obviously) and would put it 6th overall for superhero movies if it stays that way for its run after:

Superman 1 (1978)
Batman (1989)
Avengers 1 (2012)
Batman: The Dark Knight (2008)
Spider-Man 1 (2002)

(All grosses adjusted)

The Alt-Right’s attempt to hurt it with a lot of bad reviews on Rotten Tomatoes failed miserably. Sad!/

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:35:43pm

On Breitbart and InfoWars, they tried to say it was Trumpian.

Because Wakanda is ethnically homogenous, nationalist, no immigration, protected by a wall, they aggressively exploit natural resources…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:42:08pm

re: #261 goddamnedfrank

Yep, Lewinsky was failed, manipulated and used by pretty much everyone around her from Bill Clinton to Linda Tripp to Ken Starr. At no point did any of them bother to contemplate how their actions would impact on her life.

Bad Bill got away with a lot. His behavior was unacceptable, then and certainly now. About all I can say in defense is that a Democrat who tried it now would be publicly crucified by his own party. This will make no difference to finger-wagging RWNJs though since they think it is a devastating indictment to point out that Jefferson Davis was a Democrat.

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guachi  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:42:30pm

Wakanda is (as far as I can tell) a hereditary dictatorship. The son got his position because his dad died and his sister got hers because of the privilege of being part of the ruling family.

It’d be like if Trump died and Don Jr. became President and Ivanka was given some important position simply by virtue of birth. It’s pure nepotism it’s just that in the movie the people are competent and not dicks.

Oh, and Wakanda’s insularity makes North Korea look downright friendly and open. Plus, its economy is so good because of random luck from outerspace. It’s basically a fantasy African version of a Gulf state like Qatar or Kuwait.

Don’t kid yourself about what a bad example Wakanda actually is. It’s what makes the villain so appealing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:48:10pm

re: #153 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

WHY is it always the wingnuts who have problems understanding what “freedom of speech” really is? Why do we never hear of liberals who cry about censorship when right-wingers ban them, boycott them, or get their speaking engagements canceled? Hmm?

They don’t have a problem with it.

The only want it for themselves. Complaining about liberals calling them out is kabuke theatre (liberals are stepping on our Freeze Peach rights). What they really want is to take away our right to free speech. This has been going on as long as I have been alive (see also certain religious sects that think no other religion has any rights and by God they’ll take those rights as soon as they can).

Suppression of speech has a long storied history in the world when conservatives have power.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:48:39pm

re: #360 guachi

Wakanda is (as far as I can tell) a hereditary dictatorship. The son got his position because his dad died and his sister got hers because of the privilege of being part of the ruling family.

It’d be like if Trump die and Don Jr. became President and Ivanka was given some important position. It’s pure nepotism it’s just that in the movie the people are competent and not dicks.

Oh, and Wakanda’s insularity makes North Korea look downright friendly and open. Plus, it’s economy is so good because of random luck from outerspace.

Don’t kid yourself about what a bad example Wakanda actually is. It’s what makes the villain so appealing.

I haven’t as yet seen the movie but is Wakanda a dictatorship or a monarchy? One certainly can argue that an old style monarchy is equivalent to a dictatorship, but a country that has ruled by the same family since before contemporary times could be classified as an absolute monarchy. It’s very old-style government.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:50:47pm

re: #361 Anymouse 🌹

They don’t have a problem with it.

The only want it for themselves. Complaining about liberals calling them out is kabuke theatre (liberals are stepping on our Freeze Peach rights). What they really want is to take away our right to free speech. This has been going on as long as I have been alive (see also certain religious sects that think no other religion has any rights and by God they’ll take those rights as soon as they can).

Suppression of speech has a long storied history in the world when conservatives have power.

Given the CPAC response to Mona Charen, it would seem that they also don’t tolerate much dissent from the party-line even among their own members.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:56:01pm

re: #167 makeitstop

Wasn’t there a story about cops finding a huge quantity of coke in a Russian embassy the other day?

The cynic in me says Trump would kill all the drugs dealers - except the ones working for his Russian buds.

That was in Argentina. The spokesperson for the embassy said they’d uncovered a cocaine ring to use diplomatic courier service to smuggle cocaine to Europe. They called in the local police to raid an annex building to their embassy; the police arrested a bunch of people.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2018 • 9:56:55pm

re: #347 goddamnedfrank

In the past they would’ve responded through prepared anodyne press releases and kept their people in defilade. They learned, for awhile at least, after letting Michael Moore interview old addled Charlton Heston. They got off easy then because Heston was sick and therefore somewhat sympathetic and Moore tended to come off somewhat as an ass. They didn’t let their people walk unprepared into an ambush like that again until Dana thought publicly arguing on national television with a bunch of teenage mass shooting survivors was a good idea.

It was not a good idea.

This time they responded with the kind of stuff they used to say only in the back room.

And with a dead-eyed front person who perfectly conveyed how few fucks were given about the dead kids, the live survivors, and human beings in general. Like, a shoggoth wearing that skin suit from The Silence from the Lambs.

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whitebeach  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:01:06pm

re: #365 Anymouse 🌹

That was in Argentina. The spokesperson for the embassy said they’d uncovered a cocaine ring to use diplomatic courier service to smuggle cocaine to Europe. They called in the local police to raid an annex building to their embassy; the police arrested a bunch of people.

Where, exactly, was Eric at this time?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:11:22pm

re: #223 jaunte

Yeah, they look totally separate.

[Embedded content]

I don’t go in for such comparisons much, because the rejoinder pops right out of the slot:

Planned Parenthood versus Planned Parenthood Action. PPA does precisely the same thing that NRA-ILA does for the NRA.

I don’t know if there is a fix for that when it comes right down to it: The I Amendment allows freedom of association, and allows redress of grievances with the government. I presume that means you can form associations to seek redress for grievances.

The issue I have is corporations (which are not people, my friend) forming associations to redress grievances, or astroturfing other organisations to do it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:19:24pm

re: #362 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s a weird hybrid system that doesn’t really fit into normal -ocracies. It’s sort of reminiscent of the Mandate of Heaven concept of Chinese rule…but for real, since there’s a cat god that gets final say…plus the mix of hereditary position and bureacracy also of imperial China (complete with the intrigue that comes with powerful distal leaders countering a central power). So “monarchy” is probably the best term.

There’s five tribes with their own leadership structures that seem to be hereditary, and form a ruling council around the monarch, and control specific aspects of Wakandan life (which makes the system also a bit caste-like). Then there’s the Wakandan monarch, who seems to have near-total power over key matters—such as the spies/overseas agents (War Dogs), the vibranium, and has a discretionary military force with broad application (Dora Milaje).

The monarch is also the Black Panther, and is bestowed with spiritual power of Wakanda by rites, as well as the Black Panther’s super strength, etc—this supernatural being far outside normal political calculation, because an actual fricking god gives them the thumbs-up. But the monarch can be ritually challenged by people of a certain level of standing in the five tribes, so theoretically it hasn’t always been T’Challa’s familial line that have been Black Panther.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:20:02pm

re: #366 The Ghost of a Flea

This time they responded with the kind of stuff they used to say only in the back room.

And with a dead-eyed front person who perfectly conveyed how few fucks were given about the dead kids, the live survivors, and human beings in general. Like, a shoggoth wearing that skin suit from The Silence from the Lambs.

I was going to Photoshop that up but then I remembered I’d like to be able to sleep tonight.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:22:00pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

I used to post on a lefty blog in the Bush years. Lotta 9/11 truthers unfortunately.

I did not run into the political bloggosphere at all until fairly recently, only four or five years ago. (I first ran into Daily Kos and wrote quite a number of diaries there.) Then I slacked off on political diaries for awhile, until I ran across LGF from the Huffington Post article that was written about our esteemed host Mr. Johnson, and Wonkette (which popped up in a random search).

I lurked for a long time both here before I surfaced, and at Wonkette, hence my fairly recent join-date here.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:25:39pm

John Oliver running for Prime Minister of Italy?

Hmmmm.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:28:03pm

About Axios:

It was founded by one of the principals of Politico and the editor-in-chief used to work at Bloomberg LLC. They seem to follow standard rules of journalism, that is, they don’t publish shit that has no factual basis. I’d rate Axios as far more reliable than most independent news outlets, maybe as good as WaPo.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 25, 2018 • 10:30:04pm

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

Do you want to [indescribable shoggoth reproduction term] me? I’d want to [indescribable shoggoth reproduction term] me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 25, 2018 • 11:34:10pm

=re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

This seems to go back to the age-old (well, as long as there has been USENet and IRC) debate about whether you should engage trolls, or block and move on.

With the exception of suspiciously bot-like accounts, the movement of teenagers and young adults on social media over the Parkland shooting issue seems to be engage, educate (or humiliate), and defenestrate them in real time live for everyone else to see. If they get threats, then track down their public information from their own accounts and report them (a la “If you’re a Nazi and you lose your job, it’s your fault”).

Then humiliate them some more when they block, set accounts to private, or otherwise hide.

This leaves Movement Conservatism in a poor position: If they do not engage, then the movement grows and it sets the narrative (the most important part of a political movement). If they do engage, they can’t seem to do it without attacking teenagers (like the wingnut up there Stonekettle responded to).

No political movement is successful overnight, but dayum, this one seems to be moving at the speed of sound.


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