Another Fantastic New Artist From Snarky Puppy’s GroundUP: Alina Engibaryan, “I’ll Be Around”

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Alina Engibaryan performs I’ll Be Around off of her record “We Are,” out now on GroundUp Music

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Alina Engibaryan: Keys and Vocals
Michael League: Bass Guitar
Chris Potter: Saxophone
Kendrick Scott: Drums

Engineered and Mixed by Nic Hard
Video by Stella K

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Scout  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:41:28pm

Speaking of constitutional amendments (in the previous thread), it amazes me that they ever got the one passed that outlawed booze.

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Belafon  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:42:12pm

re: #358 dangerman

Even that one we changed and then changed back

Which is actually a better argument than cars, I think. It directly points out that:
1. There are more rights than are just listed in the Bill of Rights or they wouldn’t have needed an amendment to end it.
2. That even though we have made alcohol legal, we have put restrictions on it for reasons having to do with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of the general population.

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retired cynic  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:46:35pm

Oh, I love this!!

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:51:28pm

SPOILER ALERT: The Cowboys lost.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:52:28pm
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austin_blue  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:54:04pm

There’s something about a sexy contralto…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:54:18pm

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Belafon  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:54:35pm

re: #4 Ace-o-aces

I was hoping there would be someone, and they did not disappoint:

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austin_blue  Mar 2, 2018 • 8:58:26pm

re: #8 Belafon

I was hoping there would be someone, and they did not disappoint:

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The Whiskey Rebellion nearly brought down the nation. It really was a near thing.

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Archangelus  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:04:10pm

* Sees “Donald J. Trump has followed you” on Twitter *

* Looks closer, sees ‘parody account’ *

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Mattand  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:11:10pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

harvey xyz sounds like the kinda guy who goes “Wait, wait, everyone, free speech! Let’s hear out the guy covered in swastika tattoos and thoughtfully respond. That’ll turn him around!”

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jaunte  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:13:22pm

Today in popular-vote-loser history:

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:13:45pm

Later kats and kittens

Graham Gouldman - Bus Stop

The director and/or editor of this clip should be shot. Gouldman always starts off his live shows with his solo guitar and each song after introduces yet another instrument. 1+2+3+4 etc. The video makes it appear that Gouldman, an amazingly talented songwriter, is accompanied by two forelorn-looking zombies, which is far from the truth.

I blame MTV. Anywho, it’s a great song.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:15:13pm

re: #12 jaunte

Today in popular-vote-loser history:

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Well, that’s like, synchronicity, man.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:24:34pm

Okay, it took me awhile to resize them but here are some photos from my trip today to LBJ National Park and Texas Hill Country! I would HIGHLY recommend this to just about anyone. Had great weather today too!

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teleskiguy  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:25:09pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:26:45pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

In another month all will be ablaze with color……

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:34:13pm

Well I certainly was wrong — I thought and had said Wilbur Ross was on Gary Cohn’s side for tariffs but, instead, he’s tied to Peter Navarro. Hopefully, saner heads will prevail. The worst administration in my lifetime, by a large measure.

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austin_blue  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:34:37pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, it took me awhile to resize them but here are some photos from my trip today to LBJ National Park and Texas Hill Country! I would HIGHLY recommend this to just about anyone. Had great weather today too!

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Go to the LBJ Library at UT since you are in the neighborhood. It’s a great historical center.

Oh, and the breakfast tacos in Austin are Killer Bee. We don’t really have taco trucks, they’re mostly repurposed Airstream and bespoke trailers.

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TedStriker  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:35:42pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, it took me awhile to resize them but here are some photos from my trip today to LBJ National Park and Texas Hill Country! I would HIGHLY recommend this to just about anyone. Had great weather today too!

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The only two things in life that make it worth livin’
Is guitars that tune good and firm feelin’ women
I don’t need my name in the marquee lights
I got my song and I got you with me tonight
Maybe it’s time we got back to the basics of love

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teleskiguy  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:36:39pm

Damn. The ski area closes in 29 days. And it was just startin’ to get good!

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retired cynic  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:36:40pm

re: #19 austin_blue

Go to the LBJ Library at UT since you are in the neighborhood. It’s a great historical center.

Oh, and the breakfast tacos in Austin are Killer Bee. We don’t really have taco trucks, they’re mostly repurposed Airstream and bespoke trailers.

Someday.

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austin_blue  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:40:07pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

In another month all will be ablaze with color……

We’ll see. The bluebonnets in my yard are kind of late and scraggly. I have maybe 12 popping up? This time last year I had 40.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:40:54pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

The LBJ Kissing Booth, now there’s a wacky thought. ;-)

Nice photos, and here’s a preview of the Trump Presidential Library (actual size):

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:43:03pm

re: #24 De Kolta Chair

Lol, the kissing booth and related photos are from Lukenbach, Texas, which inspired this song:

Waylon Jennings Luckenbach Texas

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:46:30pm

re: #24 De Kolta Chair

The LBJ Kissing Booth, now there’s a wacky thought. ;-)

Nice photos, and here’s a preview of the Trump Presidential Library:

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They’ve already acquired the site for the Trump LIEbrary!

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Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:47:43pm

re: #26 Joe Bacon 🌹

They’ve already acquired the site for the Trump LIEbrary!

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The Stormy Wing is going to be killer.

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allegro  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:49:41pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

In another month all will be ablaze with color……

Indeed. That is one of my favorite things to do, to spend a day road tripping to see wildflowers. Last year a friend and I went with our boys - had lunch at a wonderful tapas place in Brenham that allowed dogs. (Since we had never taken the boys to a restaurant before we decided it was best to try it out of town first just in case =O.) Came back by a different route to see more bluebonnets, paintbrush, fields of color. Very fun day.

I think I may do that again this year. :)

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:51:28pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the best concerts I ever attended was Waylon at a not very large joint called the Stumble Inn, in Tucson Arizona, in the mid-1970’s. Jessie Colter was the opening act, and a grand old time was had by all (and we’re still talking about it all these years later).

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Dave In Austin  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:52:15pm

re: #23 austin_blue

It’s not going to be a blue bonnet year. Mine are looking pretty weak as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:54:10pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

The Stormy Wing is going to be killer.

I wonder if there will be a Fake News Center?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:55:57pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if there will be a Fake News Center?

Thinking something like Davy Crockett’s coonskin cap at the gift shop, for the kids.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 2, 2018 • 9:58:18pm

re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if there will be a Fake News Center?

It will be right next to Trump’s KKK Merchandise kiosk!

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austin_blue  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:02:21pm

Well, that’s it for me. Night all, sweet scaly dreams.

It sucks to be Jarred Kushner. He is so fucked.

Which also means that it sucks to be Donald the Drumpf. He is so fucked.

Being money laundering fuckwits under Federal Investigation is not where you want to be, and both of these fuckwits are under the gun.

There is simply not enough popcorn to feed the bulldog. This is too sweet.

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Kilroy was here  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:02:35pm

re: #24 De Kolta Chair

The LBJ Kissing Booth, now there’s a wacky thought. ;-)

Nice photos, and here’s a preview of the Trump Presidential Library (actual size):

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In paper form

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Stanley Sea  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:06:16pm

re: #1 Scout

Speaking of constitutional amendments (in the previous thread), it amazes me that they ever got the one passed that outlawed booze.

Ken Burns’ Prohibition was an amazing look.

Must watch.

Check it on netflix (or PBS maybe)

netflix.com

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allegro  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:10:11pm

re: #36 Stanley Sea

Ken Burns’ Prohibition was an amazing look.

Must watch.

Check it on netflix (or PBS maybe)

netflix.com

OOoo thanks! Just added that to my watch list. I’ve been looking for more good binging. I’m running out, at least until 3/8 when season 2 of Jessica Jones is released.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:11:35pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

Fab!!! Thanks for posting.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:22:22pm

re: #12 jaunte

Today in popular-vote-loser history:

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Hayes is a national hero in Paraguay.
This goes back to 1878 when he was asked to arbitrate a territorial dispute between Paraguay and Argentina.. He awarded the territory to Paraguay. One province and its capital city are named for him. That is not all:

….an official holiday: Laudo Hayes Firm Day, the anniversary of the decision, celebrated in Presidente Hayes province; a local soccer team: Presidente Hayes soccer club (also known as “Los Yanquis”), based in the national capital, Asuncion; a postage stamp, the design of which was chosen in a contest run by the U.S. Embassy; and even a young girl’s wish: a girl who came out of a coma got her fondest wish—a trip to the Hayes Presidential Center in Fremont, Ohio

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JordanRules  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:29:18pm
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allegro  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:32:51pm

This is feeling increasingly like the 60s. Snowballing of resistance.

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JordanRules  Mar 2, 2018 • 10:44:40pm
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MsJ  Mar 2, 2018 • 11:01:24pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 2, 2018 • 11:24:54pm

I wonder if FOX will call him a ‘troubled kid”?
I suspect he possesses to much eumelanin to me identified as such

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 2, 2018 • 11:31:11pm

re: #1 Scout

Speaking of constitutional amendments (in the previous thread), it amazes me that they ever got the one passed that outlawed booze.

It probably wouldn’t have happened without World War I whipping up anti German hysteria. German immigrants brought beer with them, it quickly became popular, and the rapid spread of brewery associated saloons of that era were quickly demonized by many as a public blight and organizing point for subversive political movements. That allowed the temperance crusaders to take a ready made external enemy and associate it with the public face of drunkenness.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:17:32am

Looks like Roy Moore is facing financial bankruptcy - I think that’s maniacally appropriate, as it’ll match his moral bankruptcy quite nicely. In any event, he’s begging for money, blaming “the political Left”, which, according to Moore, “is filled with men and women whose sole aim in life is to overthrow our God-ordained rights which are guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution”.

Thoughts and prayers, jackhole.

cbsnews.com

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majii  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:27:02am

re: #46 Dr Lizardo

Roy Moore

After reading about his latest fundraising appeal, I was glad to find out he hasn’t come anywhere close to the $250,000 he says he needs to defend himself against Leigh Corfman’s lawsuit. He seems to have spent every year since he became a judge and politician begging for money from others. Grifting has benefited him well throughout the years, and I suppose he sees no reason to stop now. He might still have his license to practice law in Alabama and could defend himself since he is a former prosecutor and has trial experience. You were kind in offering him thoughts and prayers. If I could talk to him face-to-face, I’d say things that would set his entire body on fire.

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thecommodore  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:28:06am

re: #34 austin_blue

Well, that’s it for me. Night all, sweet scaly dreams.

It sucks to be Jarred Kushner. He is so fucked.

Which also means that it sucks to be Donald the Drumpf. He is so fucked.

Being money laundering fuckwits under Federal Investigation is not where you want to be, and both of these fuckwits are under the gun.

There is simply not enough popcorn to feed the bulldog. This is too sweet.

No, but these fucks are a serious threat to this country. They need to be removed.

And I’m not just talking about the Trump family. I mean the entire GOP enablers. I fear that once the Trump thing is gone, someone worse will take his place if we’re not careful.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:34:34am

They promised me rain… but all I got was a bunch of cold air.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:35:13am

Looking at the radar, there are some very light shows moving onshore. Maybe we’ll get a few sprinkles.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 3, 2018 • 1:22:41am

re: #26 Joe Bacon 🌹

They’ve already acquired the site for the Trump LIEbrary!

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The apostrophe abuse takes the gag to the next level.

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Kragar  Mar 3, 2018 • 2:20:13am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 2:39:25am

A thread or two ago, someone said that a Nebraska company with a sketchy past was awarded a contract to build part of Donald Trump’s racist Tortilla Curtain. Someone else suggested they would build it around my house. LOL.

It would appear the alleged murderer at Central Michigan University in Mt. Pleasant killed his parents in the dormitory. They were in Mt. Pleasant from Illinois to pick up their son for an unspecified reason. The campus police, Mt. Pleasant police, and Isabella County Sheriff’s Office have released information about the shooting.

cnn.com

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jeffreyw  Mar 3, 2018 • 3:54:11am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2018 • 4:06:00am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 4:25:46am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 4:34:40am

Young Republicans Push for Action on Climate Change (goes to The Verge)

First guess: The GOP will try to marginalise the Young Republicans on this issue. They haven’t finished looting the country yet.

Second guess: Eventually, said young conservative voters will become a majority of their party - the question being whether it’s too late to save the party or no.

Millenials are soon to be the largest voting bloc in the USA. (That said, a lot of MIllenials are not Republicans.) They will be able to exert pressure on GOP politicians at the ballot box if they can primary wingnuts out of office.

More at the link, the lede:

Kiera O’Brien, a 19-year-old government student at Harvard and president of the Harvard Republican Club, grew up in Ketchikan, Alaska, where she spent lots of time outdoors, hiking and fishing. “I have always had a deep respect for nature and have really cared about climate and wilderness and the preservation of both,” she says.

So the fact that her own party — the GOP — has had a track record of ignoring climate change, or even denying that it’s caused by human activity, has been frustrating to her. “To see national Republicans failing to have a coherent strategy and policy surrounding this issue has been difficult,” O’Brien tells The Verge.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 4:54:36am

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

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Her sympathy is limited because of their views? Holy fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 4:55:20am

Yet it’s fine to use the emotions of people killed by illegal immigrants to blame all immigrants.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 4:55:41am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Her sympathy is limited because of their views? Holy fuck.

It’s Katie Hopkins, the English version of a Made in the USA wingnut.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:00:25am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

It’s Katie Hopkins, the English version of a Made in the USA wingnut.

Ohhh. That makes her condescending attitude even worse then. Since it’s not even her country’s laws.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:01:10am

re: #1 Scout

Speaking of constitutional amendments (in the previous thread), it amazes me that they ever got the one passed that outlawed booze.

Given how it was driven by our xenophobia & religion (wine = catholics & other southern Europeans or worse, while the Baptists, Methodists and etc put grape juice into the communion cups to make their hate normalized.)

Looking at the history of the later “war on drugs” I’m more surprised that they ever passed the amendment ending the disaster of prohibition.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:04:27am

re: #62 William Lewis

Thinking further, had wine been a major part of black culture, prohibition would not have ended for any reason. But as it was it inconvenienced too many rich white folks so it was history.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:06:22am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Ohhh. That makes her condescending attitude even worse then. Since it’s not even her country’s laws.

England is exporting its wingnuts. Nigel Farage, Milo Yiannopolis, &c. Katie Hopkins has not yet left to help out our conservatives here. From her Wikipedia entry (the lede):

Katie Olivia Hopkins (born 13 February 1975) is an English media personality. She first came to notice in 2007 as a reality television contestant and later became a columnist for British newspapers, initially The Sun (from October 2013) and later the MailOnline (from autumn 2015 until 2017).

Hopkins has been accused of racism by journalists, advocacy groups and politicians for her comments about migrants. Her role as a presenter for the radio station LBC was terminated in May 2017 following her comments on Twitter about the Manchester Arena bombing.

en.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:11:00am

re: #62 William Lewis

Given how it was driven by our xenophobia & religion (wine = catholics & other southern Europeans or worse, while the Baptists, Methodists and etc put grape juice into the communion cups to make their hate normalized.)

Looking at the history of the later “war on drugs” I’m more surprised that they ever passed the amendment ending the disaster of prohibition.

Actually, it wasn’t ended, just passed back to “local option”. I still can’t buy a box of wine on Sunday morning.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:13:11am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Her sympathy is limited because of their views? Holy fuck.

You expect any different from a racist pig that even the UKIP has denounced?

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:14:51am

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Actually, it wasn’t ended, just passed back to “local option”. I still can’t buy a box of wine on Sunday morning.

Point. Minnesota only in the last few months has allowed Sunday purchases.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:15:18am

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

re: #66 William Lewis

Furrin’ racists, hating hates Americans won’t hate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:16:33am

re: #67 William Lewis

Point. Minnesota only in the last few months has allowed Sunday purchases.

Nebraska has allowed them for decades (but this state has a large Catholic population).

Prohibition did not prohibit the use of sacramental wine in church services though.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:17:25am

re: #67 William Lewis

Point. Minnesota only in the last few months has allowed Sunday purchases.

Cullman AL is still dry. Strangely, it’s a very Catholic community, and the heart of batshit Trump country.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:19:47am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Nebraska has allowed them for decades (but this state has a large Catholic population).

Prohibition did not prohibit the use of sacramental wine in church services though.

Until Prohibition, our seminary made its own beer. Each student (HS and college) had a ration of 1 pt/day. The huge, beautiful copper kettles were still in the attic when I left.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:21:41am

Local gun control:

Second Man Charged in Gun Theft from a Garage (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link):

SCOTTSBLUFF — Authorities have charged a second man in connection with a February burglary in which more than 12 guns were stolen.

Aaron Rahmig, also known as Aaron Strauch, 31, of Gering, has been charged with burglary, a Class IIA felony; 11 counts of possession of a stolen firearm, a Class IIA felony; and one count of theft, a Class II misdemeanor.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:23:40am

re: #66 William Lewis

You expect any different from a racist pig that even the UKIP has denounced?

I didn’t recognize it was her.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:25:04am

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Furrin’ racists, hating hates Americans won’t hate.

Yeah Poles. I’m sure our right wing nuts would be confused by why British wingnuts hating the Poles.

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:26:35am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Cullman AL is still dry. Strangely, it’s a very Catholic community, and the heart of batshit Trump country.

The Daily Show had a segment on the dry Oktoberfest. The county is dry, but the city of Cullman recently turned wet and even has a brewery. Goat Island , which has a decent pilsner.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:26:40am

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Yeah Poles. I’m sure our right wing nuts would be confused by why British wingnuts hating the Poles.

There are plenty of wingnuts here in the USA that aren’t big fans of Poles either.

And plenty of soft racism has existed for a long long time (Polish jokes for example).

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:29:21am

re: #76 Anymouse 🌹

There are plenty of wingnuts here in the USA that aren’t big fans of Poles either.

And plenty of soft racism has existed for a long long time (Polish jokes for example).

I don’t doubt that but Brexit was motivated heavily by hostility towards Poles and other Slavic groups like Trump’s rise towards Hispanics.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:30:07am

re: #75 BlueSpotinAL

The Daily Show had a segment on the dry Oktoberfest. The county is dry, but the city of Cullman recently turned wet and even has a brewery. Goat Island , which has a decent pilsner.

Good—I’ll be able to get a beer with pizza the next time we stop. There is a really neat architectural salvage company that saves great stuff from dying buildings. (There is also a very large monastery/college that had its own gently mad monk.)

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:30:37am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Cullman AL is still dry. Strangely, it’s a very Catholic community, and the heart of batshit Trump country.

Mother Angelica, who founded the Catholic TV station EWTN, built an elaborate shrine there (Shrine of the Blessed Sacrament) and a miniature Jerusalem et al in the Ave Maria Grotto.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:32:16am

re: #79 BlueSpotinAL

Mother Angelica, who founded the Catholic TV station EWTN, built an elaborate shrine there (Shrine of the Blessed Sacrament) and a miniature Jerusalem et al in the Ave Maria Grotto.

That was the handiwork of the mad monk. (Note EWTN has finally pissed off the Vatican enough that they are about to go medieval on the network.)

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:33:16am

Good Morning Lizards!

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:34:06am

re: #27 Decatur Deb

The Stormy Wing is going to be killer.

A single rolled-up copy of Forbes

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:35:58am

re: #82 Barefoot Grin

A single rolled-up copy of Forbes

There is a momentary RW trope that Stormy has ghosted, either literally or on the lam.

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:37:18am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

That was the handiwork of the mad monk. (Note EWTN has finally pissed off the Vatican enough that they are about to go medieval on the network.)

What I wrote wasn’t what I was thinking. First time ever that has happened to me. :)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:45:48am

re: #84 BlueSpotinAL

What I wrote wasn’t what I was thinking. First time ever that has happened to me. :)

EWTN might have been behind it, but I probably should have said “handicraft” vs “handiwork”. He did the folkart modelling over many years. A very good folksinger from Auburn did a not-very-good song about him. Here’s a better one of hers:

Kate Campbell - Funeral Food

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:56:58am

Lubbock near Texas Tech campus:

Facebook Post

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 5:58:32am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

That was the handiwork of the mad monk. (Note EWTN has finally pissed off the Vatican enough that they are about to go medieval on the network.)

Oh? Where’d they find the Oops! line?

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darthstar  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:01:58am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:10:06am

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Lubbock near Texas Tech campus:

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Who says nothing ever happens in Lubbock?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:10:13am

re: #87 William Lewis

Oh? Where’d they find the Oops! line?

The protege of the good late sister and one of his priest backers remain too tangled in SSPX crap, and also crossed the line on criticism of Francis. Threats of interdiction have been bandied about. They’re essentially RWNJs with rosaries.

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Scout  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:11:20am

Hi folks,

This is a photo of writer Joan Didion receiving an honor at the White House.

I know previous administrations (including those I hated, such as the shrub’s) did this sort of thing all the time.

Serious question: Does the current crew of villains ever hold these kind of events? I never see any mention.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:13:20am

I woke up a few minutes ago and saw this, and laughed so hard the neighbors came over.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:13:38am

re: #91 Scout

Hi folks,

This is a photo of writer Joan Didion receiving an honor at the White House.

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I know previous administrations (including those I hated, such as the shrub’s) did this sort of thing all the time.

Serious question: Does the current crew of villains ever hold these kind of events? I never see any mention.

For a 3? Please, they have standards.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:15:09am

I’m out for a while (need to go to town later).

We have plenty of wingnut Catholics here as well, such as the folk who funded the “Our Lady of Peace” statue in Pine Bluffs, Wyo. (Pine Bluffs is right on the state line with Nebraska.) It is visible all over town, from I-80 and US-30, and from Nebraska.

Located directly off Intersate-80 in Pine Bluffs, Wyoming stands the largest Marian Statue in the United States.

The sculpture is 30 feet (5 stories) high, and weighs 180 tons. Erected in 1998, by Ted and Marjorie Trefren this Shrine greets Interstate travelers everyday in any kind of weather.

Robert Fida was commissioned to design and sculpt Our Lady of Peace Shrine.

Take exit 401 at Pine Bluffs and follow the signs

ourladyofpeaceshrine.com

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:15:48am

re: #92 Ace Rothstein

I woke up a few minutes ago and saw this, and laughed so hard the neighbors came over.

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lol, for the love of God.

Have they burnt their foreign steel yet?

fire doesn’t melt steel!

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Jay C  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:23:30am

re: #91 Scout

Hi folks,

This is a photo of writer Joan Didion receiving an honor at the White House.

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I know previous administrations (including those I hated, such as the shrub’s) did this sort of thing all the time.

Serious question: Does the current crew of villains ever hold these kind of events? I never see any mention.

We shouldn’t give them any ideas: they’ll probably stage the next White House Honors presentation for James Woods, Ted Nugent and Phil Robertson…..

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:23:55am

Teachers’ Strike Still On as West Virginia Senate Tells Teachers to [redacted] with That Raise the Governor Promised (goes to Wonkette)

The WVa. House passed a resolution for a 5% pay raise and other raises in the future, but the Senate president decided to go all fiscal conservative and the Senate defeated the measure.

Thus the teachers’ strike is back on.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:25:13am

Yes, steel mills are popping up again all along the Great Lakes corridor as the rust falls away and long trains snake from the again prospering mines of Appalachia!! Breathe in the winning!!

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steve_davis  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:25:16am

re: #37 allegro

OOoo thanks! Just added that to my watch list. I’ve been looking for more good binging. I’m running out, at least until 3/8 when season 2 of Jessica Jones is released.

and don’t forget that Westworld is getting ready to crank up again. AND we finally managed to kill Carl, after 8 seasons of trying.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:27:41am

re: #91 Scout

Whut R thees “books” you speak uv?

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:28:36am
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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:29:41am

re: #98 Barefoot Grin

Yes, steel mills are popping up again all along the Great Lakes corridor as the rust falls away and long trains snake from the again prospering mines of Appalachia!! Breathe in the winning!!

Yes folks, decades of industrial decline will magically reverse itself within hours of the passage of new steel and aluminum tariffs, restoring the plentiful flow of materials to America’s factories. We can all look forward to plentiful, high-paying jobs…just so long as you don’t think about formin’ no unions.

//////

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:31:33am

Meanwhile in Kentucky:

courier-journal.com

Child Bride Bill Stalls as Groups Fight to Let 13YOs Wed.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:32:23am

re: #1 Scout

Speaking of constitutional amendments (in the previous thread), it amazes me that they ever got the one passed that outlawed booze.

ok, totally tongue in cheek, so please don’t….

its the 19th that amazes me

only men had the right to vote,
men controlled all the state legislatures
and somehow they, lost to non voters?

(and no i dont need a history lesson either)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:32:51am

re: #87 William Lewis

Oh? Where’d they find the Oops! line?

This is a hoot. I’ve dug into it, and we have an momentous encounter between Twitter and the Council of Trent. Every source discussing the clash is, regrettably, from whacked-out sites, but here is an entrance.

ncregister.com

Next up: “Is it really an auto da fe if you use an IR laser?”

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:35:26am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

This is a hoot. I’ve dug into it, and we have an momentous encounter between Twitter and the Council of Trent. Every source discussing the clash is, regrettably, from whacked-out sites, but here is an entrance.

ncregister.com

Next up: “Is it really an auto da fe if you use an IR laser?”

oy…

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:37:09am

re: #102 Targetpractice

Yes folks, decades of industrial decline will magically reverse itself within hours of the passage of new steel and aluminum tariffs, restoring the plentiful flow of materials to America’s factories. We can all look forward to plentiful, high-paying jobs…just so long as you don’t think about formin’ no unions.

//////

There’ll be so much prosperity you won’t need a union
Prosperity for everybody!

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Scout  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:45:00am

re: #91 Scout

Never mind. I just remembered they honored the Native American code-talkers.

It was the event where trump couldn’t help insulting their heritage.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:46:23am

re: #107 dangerman

So much prosperity, you’re gonna get sick of all the prosperity. Please! please, no more prosperity!

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darthstar  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:47:40am
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darthstar  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:48:08am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:51:28am

re: #110 darthstar

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So we’re to the point where the best short-term hope is that governing processes are so screwed up that nothing can happen. Let’s hope FEMA and DoD don’t go that route.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:53:43am

Look at this

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:55:51am

re: #109 Ace Rothstein

So much prosperity, you’re gonna get sick of all the prosperity. Please! please, no more prosperity!

“Wish you’d stop being so good to me, captain”

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:58:05am

re: #113 dangerman

Look at this

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That’s not a true-false question. Rather, “How strict?” If the current level of outrage can be maintained, we might get as much as the lame Assault Weapons Ban language.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 6:58:34am

re: #114 dangerman

“Wish you’d stop being so good to me, captain”

Keep shaking that bush.

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darthstar  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:00:55am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

So we’re to the point where the best short-term hope is that governing processes are so screwed up that nothing can happen. Let’s hope FEMA and DoD don’t go that route.

We’re at the point where decisions like Bear’s Ears can be challenged in court and voided. I’m okay with that.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:02:48am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

That’s not a true-false question. Rather, “How strict?” If the current level of outrage can be maintained, we might get as much as the lame Assault Weapons Ban language.

Agreed
And I’m not calling out The brass band
It’s just a wide and fast change of opinion. So possibilities?

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Jay C  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:03:28am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

That’s not a true-false question. Rather, “How strict?” If the current level of outrage can be maintained, we might get as much as the lame Assault Weapons Ban language.

Still better than nothing: although, in today’s political environment, “nothing” is a form of improvement itself: since most firearms legislation these days seems to be focused exclusively on expanding access to guns, and on removing even the thinnest of controls on their sales, possession or carrying.

IIRC, the last AWB passed Constitutional muster: it may not have been ideal, but at least it was a start.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:03:54am

re: #117 darthstar

We’re at the point where decisions like Bear’s Ears can be challenged in court and voided. I’m okay with that.

Saved by gridlock. That doesn’t work so well when a Cat 5 is at Jacksonville or the DMZ ground-search radars light up.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:04:14am

re: #117 darthstar

We’re at the point where decisions like Bear’s Ears can be challenged in court and voided. I’m okay with that.

We can’t stop the admin
It can be slowed way down due to it’s own incompetence

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:05:07am

re: #119 Jay C

Still better than nothing: although, in today’s political environment, “nothing” is a form of improvement itself: since most firearms legislation these days seems to be focused exclusively on expanding access to guns, and on removing even the thinnest of controls on their sales, possession or carrying.

IIRC, the last AWB passed Constitutional muster: it may not have ideal, but at least it was a start.

Look to the current California language. It has so far passed all legal challenges and is probably as tight as we can get with the current makeup of the SCOTUS.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:06:06am

re: #122 William Lewis

Look to the current California language. It has so far passed all legal challenges and is probably as tight as we can get with the current makeup of the SCOTUS.

Button glove.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:14:39am

re: #113 dangerman

Look at this

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The Parkland students have been wonderful advocates.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:15:32am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

The Parkland students have been wonderful advocates.

And a credit to their school. Seriously.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:17:28am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Button glove.

I know. But even if dipshit were gone tomorrow, we’re stuck with the current SCOTUS for the short to medium term. I do not believe we can get anything past them that is stricter than California currently is. If we can get a ban on magazines (or clips ala the SKS) greater than 10 rounds in a semi-auto that is difficult to speed load we’ll be making real progress from where we are today.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:18:11am

re: #125 Decatur Deb

And a credit to their school. Seriously.

Yep. Their teachers have done well. Parents too.

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sagehen  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:23:12am

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

Meanwhile in Kentucky:

courier-journal.com

Child Bride Bill Stalls as Groups Fight to Let 13YOs Wed.

But 17-year-olds are too young to have an opinion about guns.

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sagehen  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:23:42am

re: #104 dangerman

ok, totally tongue in cheek, so please don’t….

its the 19th that amazes me

only men had the right to vote,
men controlled all the state legislatures
and somehow they, lost to non voters?

(and no i dont need a history lesson either)

Lysistrata.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:25:52am

re: #129 sagehen

Lysistrata.

Also a big part of why prohibition passed.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:28:48am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Button glove.

And yet there are thousands of ordinary pistol models banned from Cali without successful challenge. Down to relatively few models available. The filter is not safety or crime. It’s did you pay California the big bribe to sell your particular model with new sights you might be allowed.

Yes AR’s could be made to disappear from shelves to a certainty.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:31:45am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Button glove.

Yep, you can swap 10 rd magazines a little faster.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:33:07am

Off to plant more tomatoes and peppers.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:33:46am

re: #132 Unshaken Defiance

Yep, you can swap 10 rd magazines a little faster.

If I ever need more than 10 rds, I’ll take more than one piece.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:37:56am

re: #131 Unshaken Defiance

And yet there are thousands of ordinary pistol models banned from Cali without successful challenge. Down to relatively few models available. The filter is not safety or crime. It’s did you pay California the big bribe to sell your particular model with new sights you might be allowed.

Yes AR’s could be made to disappear from shelves to a certainty.

If there were one national registry & the safety regulations were thus the same for all states, then the manufacturers would have an incentive to have their models approved. And yes, I do think there are a number of things about that process needing change. I sold an N-frame S&W 625 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt (sigh…) to a California resident. I had to pull a part from the action to make it into a single action revolver and mail the part in a separate envelope. She could then, fully legally, replace the part and have a fully functional double action revolver again. Pure stupidity.

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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:40:57am

re: #4 Ace-o-aces

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SPOILER ALERT: The Cowboys lost.

Who cares? All I want to know is whether they covered the line. Also, what was the over/under?

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steve_davis  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:41:23am

wound up having a broker completely fuck up a Friday order for me. Multiple transfers of money from a sweep account into different funds in a fund family. Instead of selling me the share amounts that I was ordering, he sold me dollar amounts, and he did it for four different trades. Fortunately, the market took a tumble Friday, so by fucking up my order he probably saved me a couple hundred dollars, but I would not really want to be him having to explain to the floor boss Monday how he managed to fuck this up, especially considering he read my order back to me so there was no question I was buying share amounts and not dollars.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:48:18am

re: #135 William Lewis

CNN has a lawyer on acting as if it’s news that an assault rifle ban would be constitutional. We have known this since the Brady bill held up.

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:49:45am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

So we’re to the point where the best short-term hope is that governing processes are so screwed up that nothing can happen. Let’s hope FEMA and DoD don’t go that route.

I think if you check with the people on an American island that is surrounded by lots of water, big water…an ocean, just south of Florida they could address that bit about FEMA processes. As a matter of fact, I bet if you go into parts of Texas they too could address the process.

Hopefully we can get past another crazy year of natural disasters because I have a fear all too many people will get the short straw when it comes to assistance from anything The Orange Dirigible would provide. Unless it hits Mar-a-Lago.

I would not be too sure of the DOD either, especially if Donny Blimpo gets involved in too many “we’ll show ‘em MAGA” big button moments.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:50:13am
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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:54:03am

re: #140 jaunte

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It’s the “top of the heap” mentality, that so long as America comes out on top, even if the rest of the world is a smoldering wreck, then we win.

We learned it after WWII, when we decided that being the country that took the least direct hit in the fighting meant we deserved to be the “leader of the free world.”

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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:55:34am

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:55:43am

re: #137 steve_davis

wound up having a broker completely fuck up a Friday order for me. Multiple transfers of money from a sweep account into different funds in a fund family. Instead of selling me the share amounts that I was ordering, he sold me dollar amounts, and he did it for four different trades. Fortunately, the market took a tumble Friday, so by fucking up my order he probably saved me a couple hundred dollars, but I would not really want to be him having to explain to the floor boss Monday how he managed to fuck this up, especially considering he read my order back to me so there was no question I was buying share amounts and not dollars.

Sounds like you need a new broker.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:55:50am

I’m actually kind of terrified to see who would fill the leadership vaccuum in NK should Kim and his generals fall.

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 7:57:54am

re: #125 Decatur Deb

And a credit to their school. Seriously.

Even more seriously they have been a credit to this country.

Hopefully people are heeding their direction. They are the leaders in the gun debate now from the left side of things, though they are really neutral and independent. If they stick with it, they might even be able to match the NRA.

One has the potential to grow stronger and one seems to be in a place to grow weaker.

Let’s help the student movement push the weaker one to where they really should be in this country…a gun advocate group for sportsman.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:02:48am

re: #145 ObserverArt

Unfortunately the politicians that can do something about it seem quite content to continue doing fuck all, but if this movement can lead to the election of some more reasonable politicians…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:05:16am

re: #140 jaunte

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Easy for him to say.

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sagehen  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:14:14am

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m actually kind of terrified to see who would fill the leadership vaccuum in NK should Kim and his generals fall.

China.

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:15:57am

re: #148 sagehen

China.

Pretty much. Last thing that Beijing wants is a unified Korea, as its location and resources could make it the regional superpower within a generation.

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Jay C  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:21:16am

re: #141 Targetpractice

It’s the “top of the heap” mentality, that so long as America comes out on top, even if the rest of the world is a smoldering wreck, then we win.

We learned it after WWII, when we decided that being the country that took the least direct hit in the fighting meant we deserved to be the “leader of the free world.”

IIRC, after WWII, there was a serious movement by government (exacerbated by the Republicans’ taking control of Congress after the 1946 elections) to try to return to the traditional American “post-war” practices: i.e. demobilize, demilitarize and return to a more-or-less isolationist foreign policy. Pay off those millions of GIs with “The Thanks of Their Country”, and send them back into the civilian economy - which, since so much else of the world really was a “smoldering wreck” - would be booming.*
The main thing that changed that (at least IMH**O) was the fact that the only other major Power to come out of the war in an “improved”*** geopolitical position was the Soviet Union: seen (and not unjustifiably) as an aggressive, expansionist power; and one basically opposed to the US in most everything. The isolationists may not have cared, but the prospect of even greater Soviet influence was scary enough to convince the Truman Admin to shuck the wartime marriage-of-convenience with Stalin, and take a more aggressive role in international “leadership”. Which turned out, in the short term anyway, to be quite profitable besides.

* True.
** Historical
*** Aside from the 20 million or so dead: then again, Russia….

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:22:27am

re: #98 Barefoot Grin

Yes, steel mills are popping up again all along the Great Lakes corridor as the rust falls away and long trains snake from the again prospering mines of Appalachia!! Breathe in the winning!!

That’s another thing. I mentioned the other day that here in NW PA most of the old mills are torn down or are something totally different now. Same with rail tracks. We still have some, but not half as many as we used to.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:25:28am

re: #149 Targetpractice

Pretty much. Last thing that Beijing wants is a unified Korea, as its location and resources could make it the regional superpower within a generation.

I can imagine them having that worry, but seems paranoid to me given a well developed China. Plus you can’t be a regional superpower in that region without nukes. Unless you posit NK takes over, the nukes would be gotten rid of, the program ended.

Edit
So the play is for 2 functional relatively non abusive governments.

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sagehen  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:26:39am

re: #150 Jay C

The main thing that changed that (at least IMH**O) was the fact that the only other major Power to come out of the war in an “improved”*** geopolitical position was the Soviet Union: seen (and not unjustifiably) as an aggressive, expansionist power; and one basically opposed to the US in most everything.

Also, the depression was recent enough that economists were able to persuade TPTB that the Marshall Plan was our best chance of staving off another one.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:28:26am

re: #138 Unshaken Defiance

CNN has a lawyer on acting as if it’s news that an assault rifle ban would be constitutional. We have known this since the Brady bill held up.

We who? You mean the people whose political memories don’t last past yesterday? The people who believe we’ve always been at war with Eastasia?

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:28:55am

Why isn’t National Anthem Day on July 4th?

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:32:34am

re: #154 Belafon

We who? You mean the people whose political memories don’t last past yesterday? The people who believe we’ve always been at war with Eastasia?

Delusions abound in that crowd, can’t really lecture a squirrel. But in the end it was circuit courts that held up all but few gun control laws. Plus well, CNN. Sigh.

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Jay C  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:32:55am

re: #155 Belafon

Why isn’t National Anthem Day on July 4th?

Ooooh! Ooooh! I know!!

March 3 is the anniversary of the official adoption of “The Star-Spangled Banner” as the national anthem: a resolution signed into law by President Hoover 3/3/1931.

Why it took so long, I dunno: complaints from singers about the awkward range??

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:35:10am

The fact that it was a drunkard’s tune?

Or that “America” was more favored by the WWII generation?

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:38:45am

re: #157 Jay C

Ooooh! Ooooh! I know!!

March 3 is the anniversary of the official adoption of “The Star-Spangled Banner” as the national anthem: a resolution signed into law by President Hoover 3/3/1931.

Why it took so long, I dunno: complaints from singers about the awkward range??

Thank you for the info.

Prior to 1931, we didn’t really need national symbols. We we’re either a good country or we weren’t. But, in the middle of the Great Depression? I suspect Republicans were hungry for anything to get people to be willing to suffer under the cause of patriotism.

When I’m president, I want to pass a law declaring that on March 3rd, all Americans will sing the National Anthem on that day, and only that day. Stop ruining its effect by having it butchered over and over. I would propose a similar thing for the pledge.

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Interesting Times  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:39:54am

re: #157 Jay C

March 3 is the anniversary of the official adoption of “The Star-Spangled Banner” as the national anthem: a resolution signed into law by President Hoover 3/3/1931.

Why it took so long, I dunno: complaints from singers about the awkward range??

Controversial opinion time: I’ve never liked the US national anthem. Not only because of the weird melody, but the militaristic subject matter and, even worse, subtext that could be seen as pro-slavery.

“America the Beautiful” as a national anthem would be so much better, I feel…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:42:02am

re: #160 Interesting Times

Controversial opinion time: I’ve never liked the US national anthem. Not only because of the weird melody, but the militaristic subject matter and, even worse, subtext that could be seen as pro-slavery.

“America the Beautiful” would be so much better, I feel…

I would vote for Woody Guthrie’s “this land is your land.” Never going to happen, but it would be nice.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:43:47am

re: #160 Interesting Times

Controversial opinion time: I’ve never liked the US national anthem. Not only because of the weird melody, but the militaristic subject matter and, even worse, subtext that could be seen as pro-slavery.

“America the Beautiful” as a national anthem would be so much better, I feel…

That was cited in WWII stories as the more likely song to be heard in POW camps, probably for its singability.

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sagehen  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:44:28am

re: #159 Belafon

Thank you for the info.

Prior to 1931, we didn’t really need national symbols. We we’re either a good country or we weren’t. But, in the middle of the Great Depression? I suspect Republicans were hungry for anything to get people to be willing to suffer under the cause of patriotism.

When I’m president, I want to pass a law declaring that on March 3rd, all Americans will sing the National Anthem on that day, and only that day. Stop ruining its effect by having it butchered over and over. I would propose a similar thing for the pledge.

When I’m president, I’m changing the anthem to “America the Beautiful”.

Also, the marching bands in every patriotic parade will perform Battle Hymn of the Republic and Marching Through Georgia. Accompanied by a drill team in union uniforms.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:46:04am

re: #163 sagehen

When I’m president, I’m changing the anthem to “America the Beautiful”.

Also, the marching bands in every patriotic parade will perform Battle Hymn of the Republic and Marching Through Georgia. Accompanied by a drill team in union uniforms.

During the war, both sides sang “Dixie”, just as both sides used “Lili Marlene” in the 1940s.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:46:29am

The singing of the national anthem at every single sporting event is stupid. There, I said it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:46:55am

re: #154 Belafon

Oh and those loons think ban=confiscation. When we ban sales, we empty the shelves but of course all previous legal purchases are in fact protected by law. Can’t remember how many times I have tried and failed to get these distinctions across.

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darthstar  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:47:03am
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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:48:16am

re: #148 sagehen

China.

As in they would put in place a puppet government, or a takeover of the country?

I’m trying to think if China having more influence is a good thing or not. Currently leaning in the direction it may be good…but don’t know enough of how any of it would work and how the rest of the world would react.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:48:49am

re: #166 Unshaken Defiance

Oh and those loons think ban=confiscation. When we ban sales, we empty the shelves but of course all previous legal purchases are in fact protected by law. Can’t remember how many times I have tried and failed to get these distinctions across.

Leaving us with only about 300 million guns that will outlive us all.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:52:03am

re: #168 ObserverArt

re: #148 sagehen

Much rather have the nuclear threat retreat to just China and Russia there. Not a high bar to start with and makes me think China administering NK would be better than the family regime. Better for the NK starving, better for us and SK. Better for China? Makes the East German fold into West Germany look easy. But I have never been, and only moderately read up.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:52:07am

re: #166 Unshaken Defiance

Oh and those loons think ban=confiscation. When we ban sales, we empty the shelves but of course all previous legal purchases are in fact protected by law. Can’t remember how many times I have tried and failed to get these distinctions across.

There is a distinction, but, at the same time, we will have to address existing guns. Now, no, we’re not going to send cops into homes, but we will want to do something to reduce the existing guns, or at least make it very hard to transfer them.

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scottslemmons  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:52:27am

When I’m president, I’m changing the anthem to “Word Up” by Cameo.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:53:31am

re: #170 Unshaken Defiance

Much rather have the nuclear threat retreat to just China and Russia there. Not a high bar to start with and makes me think China administering NK would be better than the family regime. Better for the NK starving, better for us and SK. Better for China? Makes the East German fold into West Germany look easy. But I have never been, and only moderately read up.

Imagine turning off all of the right wing propaganda outlets here, including FOX, and then trying to reintegrate that audience back into society.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:53:35am

re: #172 scottslemmons

When I’m president, I’m changing the anthem to “Word Up” by Cameo.

“Finlandia” is great, but I think it’s taken.

(Yeah, it’s not the official anthem.)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:55:49am
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jaunte  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:56:30am

re: #98 Barefoot Grin

Yes, steel mills are popping up again all along the Great Lakes corridor as the rust falls away and long trains snake from the again prospering mines of Appalachia!! Breathe in the winning!!

Maybe we should adapt Blake’s dark satanic mills hymn for the anthem.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:58:11am

re: #176 jaunte

Maybe we should adapt Blake’s dark satanic mills hymn for the anthem.

That’s Pittsburgh’s.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 8:59:07am

re: #171 Belafon

I agree in general. I see a set of priorities. Like illegal immigration, focus first on criminal possession. Twofer, felon jailed and guns smelted. Then those that lose the right, be it restraining orders, violent criminal charges, lose their minds. Then we look at transfer very carefully. Family inheritance is not like a local gun show sale, even in California where there is no show or private party transfer loophole. If California would not impede out of state transfers via DROS we would have less assault weapons here. Many details.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:00:28am

re: #178 Unshaken Defiance

I agree in general. I see a set of priorities. Like illegal immigration, focus first on criminal possession. Twofer, felon jailed and guns smelted. Then those that lose the right, be it restraining orders, violent criminal charges, lose their minds. Then we look at transfer very carefully. Family inheritance is not like a local gun show sale, even in California where there is no show or private party transfer loophole. If California would not impede out of state transfers via DROS we would have less assault weapons here. Many details.

This elephant gets eaten one bite at a time, or never.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:00:38am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Leaving us with only about 300 million guns that will outlive us all.

I don’t know whether it’s legally possible, but how about no sale of your guns except to the government (buyback) and upon your death the government MUST buy them back? (Oh, and you can’t legally give them away either.)

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scottslemmons  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:00:56am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

“Finlandia” is great, but I think it’s taken.

(Yeah, it’s not the official anthem.)

But the Cameo video has LeVar Burton in it. And codpieces.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:01:53am

re: #181 scottslemmons

But the Cameo video has LeVar Burton in it. And codpieces.

So does Clockwork Orange, well…codpieces, anyways.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:01:56am

re: #173 Belafon

Imagine turning off all of the right wing propaganda outlets here, including FOX, and then trying to reintegrate that audience back into society.

Re integrate? Turn off the right wing outlets? Hard to imagine exactly because that is not how we do things here. These people work, eat, drive and vote, any of which in places and ways we don’t like. All we need them to do is find a conscience for their votes.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:02:57am

re: #180 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I don’t know whether it’s legally possible, but how about no sale of your guns except to the government (buyback) and upon your death the government MUST buy them back? (Oh, and you can’t legally give them away either.)

Using eminent domain might be possible legally, but you need a whole new electorate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:04:08am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Nebraska has allowed them for decades (but this state has a large Catholic population).

Prohibition did not prohibit the use of sacramental wine in church services though.

Grandma Bacon told me that during Prohibition Catholic and Episcopal churches did switch to grape juice instead of wine because of pressure from the KKK. The KKK was extremely powerful in the 1920s.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:06:33am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Leaving us with only about 300 million guns that will outlive us all.

When the bathtub is flooding and the water is threatening to ruin the hall carpet and all the woodwork and cause other damage, the first thing you do is turn off the tap.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:07:58am

Another nuance difficult to candidly address. Alaska is not NYC, rural is not urban, and misfit laws have a terrible time on the ground and in court. If I imagine a semi auto AR as a choice instead of something else for a sustenance hunter way out there in the wilds, I have zero problem with that gun in that place. 10 rd limit won’t hurt.

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sagehen  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:08:48am

EU displays cleverness:

Their retaliation for the steel and aluminum tariffs are very precisely targeted: Harley-Davidson (Paul Ryan’s state), bourbon (Mitch McConnell’s state) and Levi’s (Nancy Pelosi’s state). Also orange juice — because Florida is a swing state.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:11:26am

re: #172 scottslemmons

When I’m president, I’m changing the anthem to “Word Up” by Cameo.

Fine, if the official march is garryowen.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:12:45am
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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:12:57am

re: #172 scottslemmons

When I’m president, I’m changing the anthem to “Word Up” by Cameo.

Nah. I’m going for the very first national anthem, as reported by Mel Brooks on “The Two Thousand Year Old Man.” According to Brooks, the lyrics were as follows:

“Let ‘em all go to hell, except Cave Five.”

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Dave In Austin  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:14:01am

re: #190 jaunte

Someone had a point to make……

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:15:03am

re: #157 Jay C

Ooooh! Ooooh! I know!!

March 3 is the anniversary of the official adoption of “The Star-Spangled Banner” as the national anthem: a resolution signed into law by President Hoover 3/3/1931.

Why it took so long, I dunno: complaints from singers about the awkward range??

Distraction from the depression.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:15:49am

Signing off for an hour to spend some time writing. Peace.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:19:44am

re: #193 retired cynic

Distraction from the depression.

And I should have read the next post. As you were.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:22:05am

Back from buying some new running shoes from Dick’s Sporting Goods, would not have even considered getting them from them last week.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:23:31am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:25:57am

re: #197 Blind Frog Belly White

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Why is he asking for money?

Where is Mr. Big Xtian’s deep Christian faith that de Lawd gonna provide?

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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:26:08am

re: #167 darthstar

Rich white Republicans don’t go to jail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:26:13am

re: #196 bill d. (b.d.)

Back from buying some new running shoes from Dick’s Sporting Goods, would not have even considered getting them from them last week.

The NRA is forgetting the power of the reverse boycott, rewarding companies for responsible behavior.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:28:31am

re: #198 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why is he asking for money?

Where is Mr. Big Xtian’s deep Christian faith that de Lawd gonna provide?

Good point -

Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them.

And you know why? Because they don’t troll the mall looking for jailbait.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:29:14am

re: #189 William Lewis

Fine, if the official march is garryowen.

Our barracks was next to the band’s on Knox. That was our freakn’ wakeup too many mornings.

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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:29:23am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

“Finlandia” is great, but I think it’s taken.

(Yeah, it’s not the official anthem.)

There’s another great tune that, although it’s a more or less de facto national anthem, isn’t the official one, so maybe we could steal it: “Waltzing Matilda.” Unlike “The Star-Spangled Banner,” it’s pleasant to listen to and as easy to sing as “Happy Birthday.” Plus there’s not an ounce of nationalism or militarism in it, so that, among other things, abominations like fighter-jet flyovers at the start of sporting events would become so ridiculous as to vanish overnight.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:30:10am

re: #199 Skip Intro

Rich white people in politics don’t go to jail.

Where were you last night?

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:30:20am

re: #165 Ace Rothstein

The singing of the national anthem at every single sporting event is stupid. There, I said it.

lest we forget what country we were in

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JordanRules  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:31:23am
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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:31:45am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

Where were you last night?

I amended my comment. I believe it’s accurate now.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:31:54am

re: #203 whitebeach

There’s another great tune that, although it’s a more or less de facto national anthem, isn’t the official one, so maybe we could steal it: “Waltzing Matilda.” Unlike “The Star-Spangled Banner,” it’s pleasant to listen to and as easy to sing as “Happy Birthday.” Plus there’s not an ounce of nationalism or militarism in it, so that, among other things, abominations like fighter-jet flyovers at the start of sporting events would become so ridiculous as to vanish overnight.

IIRC, it has a great many “unofficial” verses—like “La Cucaracha” many.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:33:19am

re: #178 Unshaken Defiance

I agree in general. I see a set of priorities. Like illegal immigration, focus first on criminal possession. Twofer, felon jailed and guns smelted. Then those that lose the right, be it restraining orders, violent criminal charges, lose their minds. Then we look at transfer very carefully. Family inheritance is not like a local gun show sale, even in California where there is no show or private party transfer loophole. If California would not impede out of state transfers via DROS we would have less assault weapons here. Many details.

and laws of consequence
lots of strong laws for after someone has demonstrated he is careless and reckless and therefore dangerous to the rest of us

control your weapon at all times, include how and who you sell to, or risk your freedom, your finances, your future.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:34:41am

re: #209 dangerman

and laws of consequence
lots of strong laws for after someone has demonstrated he is careless and reckless and therefore dangerous to the rest of us

control your weapon at all times, include how and who you sell to, or risk your freedom, your finances, your future.

That’s abridged too far !1!!!

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:36:32am

re: #198 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why is he asking for money?

Where is Mr. Big Xtian’s deep Christian faith that de Lawd gonna provide?

too lazy to hold a job
plus he keeps getting fired

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:37:10am

Hugh Hewitt is disconcerted upon discovering that the snake he took in is, in fact, a snake. Or in this case, a moron who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:37:50am

re: #206 JordanRules

A wild animal is most dangerous when it’s cornered. And don’t get complacent.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:39:54am

re: #211 dangerman

too lazy to hold a job
plus he keeps getting fired

He is kinda old. Maybe he can get a job as a greeter at Walmart - “Hello, girls! Here by yourselves? Mom and Dad not around?”

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:40:54am

re: #213 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

A wild animal is most dangerous when it’s cornered. And don’t get complacent.

Luckily, so far since about Jan 20, 2017, complacency hasn’t been nearly as much of an issue.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:41:50am

re: #210 Decatur Deb

That’s abridged too far !1!!!

this has always been the saddest part of the whole gun debate to me

you’d think every “more or less responsible” gun owner would easily support laws of after the fact personal accountability - that they’d want the seriously dangerous to be culled from their herd so they could be left alone

instead what theyve done is make those people their public face and indistinguishable from the rest

everything that is going to happen (and i think it will) is because they wouldnt self police.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:41:51am

re: #214 Blind Frog Belly White

He is kinda old. Maybe he can get a job as a greeter at Walmart - “Hello, girls! Here by yourselves? Mom and Dad not around?”

“Your commandment of the day as you go through the store is ‘Thou shall not steal.’”

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:42:52am

re: #212 Blind Frog Belly White

a moron who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room

What ever could go wrong in this best of all possible leadership scenarios?

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:44:34am

A dud of a storm for us. So far less than a tenth of an inch of rain.

Radar shows a few showers heading this way but they are not very big.

We’re still too dry. Rainfall this season has not been what we need.

Loquats around the neighborhood (well, the ones that have not been cut down) are doing ok but they have been stunted from a couple of years of little rain.

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Belafon  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:44:39am

re: #216 dangerman

this has always been the saddest part of the whole gun debate to me

you’d think every “more or less responsible” gun owner would easily support laws of after the fact personal accountability - that they’d want the seriously dangerous to be culled from their herd so they could be left alone

instead what theyve done is make those people their public face and indistinguishable from the rest

everything that is going to happen (and i think it will) is because they wouldnt self police.

Someone posted a question on nextdoor.com for my neighborhood about what has changed since the 1994 ban. There were a number of people completely defending their right to own an AR-15 against those who didn’t think people needed them, people who owned guns and went hunting regularly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:45:42am

re: #213 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

A wild animal is most dangerous when it’s cornered. And don’t get complacent.

“We Yellowbeards are at our most dangerous when we’re dead!”

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Nyet  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:48:10am
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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:48:37am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Our barracks was next to the band’s on Knox. That was our freakn’ wakeup too many mornings.

What year(s) were you at Knox Deb? My one brother ended up there when first drafted in ‘65.

I remember driving down from Columbus one weekend to pick him up as had leave for a couple days before we took him to Columbus to fly to Ft. Lee (Virginia) where he served his time.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:50:57am

Population density would make a lot of sense for gun control measures. Precedent-Dodge City.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:52:11am

re: #223 ObserverArt

What year(s) were you at Knox Deb? My one brother ended up there when first drafted in ‘65.

I remember driving down from Columbus one weekend to pick him up as had leave for a couple days before we took him to Columbus to fly to Ft. Lee (Virginia) where he served his time.

Was there for basic (A-14-4) and the rest of my time in the Fighting Finance Corps (C Spl Trps) July 65-Jul 67. In ‘76 I was back, a couple hundred feet from my old barracks, as a DA civilian.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:55:16am

re: #224 Unshaken Defiance

Population density would make a lot of sense for gun control measures. Precedent-Dodge City.

Oddly enough, our ancestors in the Wild West seemed more clear on the problems caused by proliferation of firearms in areas of relatively high population density than we are, despite our having much higher population density and much deadlier firearms..

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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:56:02am

re: #197 Blind Frog Belly White

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Out of pure human kindness, I’m thinking of donating to Roy Moore’s defense fund. Somewhere around here are a few Confederate bills my great-grandfather kept after the Waw.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:56:57am

re: #227 whitebeach

Out of pure human kindness, I’m thinking of donating to Roy Moore’s defense fund. Somewhere around here are a few Confederate bills my great-grandfather kept after the Waw.

Save them for Trump.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 3, 2018 • 9:57:45am

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

Lessons scoured from the landscape by the NRA

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:00:09am

re: #224 Unshaken Defiance

Population density would make a lot of sense for gun control measures. Precedent-Dodge City.

I think so too but also proximity. I see a lot of people love to cry out Chicago in attempts to shut down the discussion while ignoring the proximity to Indiana of the city. Likewise DC is close to Virginia.

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:00:32am

re: #206 JordanRules

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Wow…running from their own creations now.

What politicians you are Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Your great Tax Renewal boondoggle is seen for what it is and your own base knows you stink.

You two might just get to be in the history books as leaders of the worst Congresses ever. Certainly you are making a great run at it.

Damn…I hated John Boehner, but did he get out at a decent time or what?

He saw Jim Jordan from Ohio as an example of who he would work with and knew that was his party’s future right there and they would be unworkable.

So he gave up the power to mow his lawn and watch this zaniness like the rest of us.

Well except the Old Orange One, Boehner, is relaxing on our dime.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:00:49am

re: #229 Unshaken Defiance

Lessons scoured from the landscape by the NRA

They’ve definitely made the debate more harder to have because they do what they can do to intimidate politicians.

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wrenchwench  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:01:20am

re: #229 Unshaken Defiance

Lessons scoured from the landscape by the NRA

Dodge City might benefit from some scouring. It’s now one big feedlot. We went through there on our cross-country bike ride. Smelled it about 50 miles before we got there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:02:06am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I think so too but also proximity. I see a lot of people love to cry out Chicago in attempts to shut down the discussion while ignoring the proximity to Indiana of the city. Likewise DC is close to Virginia.

Chicago = Black People.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:03:18am

Make Russia Great Again:

Campaign rally for Putin’s re-election fills Moscow stadium

[…]

He told the cheering crowd: “We want to make our country bright, forward-looking into the future, because our ancestors lived here, we live here, our children live here and our children and our grandchildren will live here.”

[…]

More eloquent than Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:03:18am

re: #233 wrenchwench

Dodge City might benefit from some scouring. It’s now one big feedlot. We went through there on our cross-country bike ride. Smelled it about 50 miles before we got there.

Couldn’t be worse than pig farms in Iowa. Smells like shitting vomit, or maybe vomiting shit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:04:19am

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

Chicago = Black People.

Yep.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:04:33am

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, and no matter how far down the list of “Deadliest Cities In America” Chicago may be, it’s always the most dangerous city in America, where you get shot going out for a loaf of bread.

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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:04:38am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I think so too but also proximity. I see a lot of people love to cry out Chicago in attempts to shut down the discussion while ignoring the proximity to Indiana of the city. Likewise DC is close to Virginia.

They love to cry out “Chicago” because it’s associated with Obama. There are at least eleven other large US cities, and probably lots of medium-sized ones, with higher rates of gun homicide than Chicago.

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:05:46am

re: #212 Blind Frog Belly White

Hugh Hewitt is disconcerted upon discovering that the snake he took in is, in fact, a snake. Or in this case, a moron who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room.

[Embedded content]

Oh look. Hugh is displaying he has no brain.

Never saw it coming. You know why Hugh? You were blind to it all because Trump was an R and he pissed of liberals and you liked that. You could blab about it on radio and TV.

Hugh Hewitt can not go away fast enough. Another conservative dufus that gives Ohio/Cleveland a bad name.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:05:47am

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, and no matter how far down the list of “Deadliest Cities In America” Chicago may be, it’s always the most dangerous city in America, where you get shot going out for a loaf of bread.

Which is shit as is the notion they have the strictest gun laws.

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:07:23am

Real 21st century crime:

“Big Bitcoin Heist”: 600 powerful computers stolen in Iceland

Some 600 computers used to “mine” bitcoin and other virtual currencies have been stolen from data centers in Iceland in what police say is the biggest series of thefts ever in the North Atlantic island nation. Some 11 people were arrested, including a security guard, in what Icelandic media have dubbed the “Big Bitcoin Heist.” A judge at the Reykjanes District Court on Friday ordered two people to remain in custody.

The powerful computers, which have not yet been found, are worth almost $2 million. But if the stolen equipment is used for its original purpose — to create new bitcoins — the thieves could turn a massive profit in an untraceable currency without ever selling the items.

[…]

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:09:14am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I think so too but also proximity. I see a lot of people love to cry out Chicago in attempts to shut down the discussion while ignoring the proximity to Indiana of the city. Likewise DC is close to Virginia.

chicago / indiana is why some policies cannot be effective unless there is a federal element to ensure uniformity

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:09:27am

re: #219 freetoken

A dud of a storm for us. So far less than a tenth of an inch of rain.

Radar shows a few showers heading this way but they are not very big.

We’re still too dry. Rainfall this season has not been what we need.

Loquats around the neighborhood (well, the ones that have not been cut down) are doing ok but they have been stunted from a couple of years of little rain.

Just drove through it to airport. The 15 was flooded in places! Not fun.

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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:09:58am

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, and no matter how far down the list of “Deadliest Cities In America” Chicago may be, it’s always the most dangerous city in America, where you get shot going out for a loaf of bread.

I continually meet people who think of New York this way, even though for years it’s actually been safer than all but three or four of the 240+ American cities with more than 100,000 population. “A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:10:03am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Which is shit as is the notion they have the strictest gun laws.

Well, to be fair, they do need to do maintenance on that Anti-Weapon Force Field that surrounds the city….
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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:11:01am

re: #236 Blind Frog Belly White

Couldn’t be worse than pig farms in Iowa. Smells like shitting vomit, or maybe vomiting shit.

pesky “regulations”

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:11:06am

For those into history/genealogy, final day of Rootstech kicked off with Henry Gates.

Livestream keeps a mulithour buffer, so if you go to the livestream you can go back about 110 minutes and catch him:

rootstech.org

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:11:48am

re: #248 freetoken

For those into history/genealogy, final day of Rootstech kicked off with Henry Gates.

Livestream keeps a mulithour buffer, so if you go to the livestream you can go back about 110 minutes and catch him:

rootstech.org

Thanks.

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:13:41am

re: #225 Decatur Deb

Was there for basic (A-14-4) and the rest of my time in the Fighting Finance Corps (C Spl Trps) July 65-Jul 67. In ‘76 I was back, a couple hundred feet from my old barracks, as a DA civilian.

Interesting. Similar time frames. My brother did basic there too.

He ended up being clerical with the highest marksman award. Mean when shooting his typewriter. Never knew what he did, but I got a feeling it was pushing a lot of paper as I think a lot of that went on at Ft. Lee.

I was too busy being pre-teen and scared of the war. I was glad he was behind a typewriter.

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:18:05am

re: #233 wrenchwench

Dodge City might benefit from some scouring. It’s now one big feedlot. We went through there on our cross-country bike ride. Smelled it about 50 miles before we got there.

Smell that fresh country air!

I remember that ol’ Ohio* farmer’s joke. Yeah boy…breathe it in!

* standard around all bullshit.

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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:18:33am

re: #244 Stanley Sea

Just drove through it to airport. The 15 was flooded in places! Not fun.

Hey, Sea. I PM’ed you above re your reply last night. Don’t know why I PM’ed since the discussion wasn’t private. But basically it amounts to “Google ‘louisiana constitution 1898 black voters’ and you’ll find lots of references.”

Have a great trip.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:20:21am

The internet has made the world profoundly weird.

I say this because, when I moved 3000 miles across the country in 1982, I took it as a given that I’d only ever see the place I grew up in my own pictures, or when I went back to visit.

Now, 36 years later, I can sit here, sucking down my morning coffee, and looking at real estate listings on Zillow, for a house up the street from Mom and Dad’s place, and in a picture of the yard from the back window I can see the two big Oak trees in my old back yard.

And for some reason, this is making my eyes a little moist.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:24:55am

Now here’s some Sat. afternoon bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:28:20am

re: #254 Dave In Austin

Now here’s some Sat. afternoon bullshit.

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Now imagine the right wing response if someone were denied a conceal permit using Gods authority and then playing the victim when they were called out. Davis is a pathetic grifter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:29:05am

re: #254 Dave In Austin

When my husband and I were denied a marriage license for the third time by Kim, I asked, “On who’s authority?”

She replied, “God’s authority.”

Cool story! Now tell us what he said about adultery!

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:30:15am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Now imagine the right wing response if someone were denied a conceal permit using Gods authority and then playing the victim when they were called out. Davis is a pathetic grifter.

Davis is a pathetic grifter in God’s name.

Very Christian.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:30:56am

re: #250 ObserverArt

Interesting. Similar time frames. My brother did basic there too.

He ended up being clerical with the highest marksman award. Mean when shooting his typewriter. Never knew what he did, but I got a feeling it was pushing a lot of paper as I think a lot of that went on at Ft. Lee.

I was too busy being pre-teen and scared of the war. I was glad he was behind a typewriter.

That was the era of STRAC, Strategic Army Command. It was an attempt to make needed parts of the support elements into fieldable force projection units. (STRAC survives to this day as a slang term meaning “sharp, having your shit together”.)

Half our Finance company was made STRAC, meaning they humped hand-crank mechanical calculators that were bolted to wooden pack-boards and went out on maneuvers to pay troops with play money.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:34:27am

i’d really like to petition we never display davis or rage furby’s face on lgf

i know it’s difficult but those two - gah

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Dave In Austin  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:34:52am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Now imagine the right wing response if someone were denied a conceal permit using Gods authority and then playing the victim when they were called out. Davis is a pathetic grifter.

Ask any Private Idaho…….

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MsJ  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:35:03am

re: #257 ObserverArt

Davis is a pathetic grifter in God’s name.

Very Christian.

Of late, yes. Completely.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:43:15am

re: #252 whitebeach

Hey, Sea. I PM’ed you above re your reply last night. Don’t know why I PM’ed since the discussion wasn’t private. But basically it amounts to “Google ‘louisiana constitution 1898 black voters’ and you’ll find lots of references.”

Have a great trip.

Thank you! !

It is a stark stat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:47:37am

It should be obvioure: #261 MsJ

Of late, yes. Completely.

And you know what bugs me SO MUCH about that? Knowing Christians who are nothing like what “Christian” has come to mean in America today.

I’m atheist so maybe I’m not really the person to judge what is and isn’t Christianity, but, you know, MY take on the NT is that Jesus was on Earth to tell people that it’s up to us to make Earth the Kingdom of Heaven. That is, a place without hate, without war, without want, without fear. And the Christians I know see it that way and work to try to make it that way.

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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:48:51am

I do so want to see this Trump go to jail.

Ivanka Trump: Born to legitimize corruption and make the shoddy look cute

The so-called first daughter proves that “laundering” applies to more than money. She washes and gilds just about everything she touches. Consider her warehouses upon warehouses of petroleum-based separates, many of them sewn for poverty pay in sweatshops. When you call this schmatte smorgasboard the Ivanka Trump Collection it does brisk business — if not on Rodeo Drive, then in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

She has the same magic touch with the multitudes of flesh-and-blood rogues who flock to her for redemption. It’s Ivanka who first brought Gen. Michael “Lied to the FBI” Flynn into the administration, according to the New Yorker; she praised him for his “amazing loyalty” and offered him his choice of positions at a transition-team meeting. One person present said, “It was like Princess Ivanka had laid the sword on Flynn’s shoulders and said, ‘Rise and go forth.’”

The laying on of that princess sword seems to be Ivanka’s favorite pastime. In 2006, when she was 25, she toured Moscow with Felix Sater, who in 1998 pleaded guilty to a $40-million stock fraud scheme run by the Russian mafia. She also collaborated with the Soviet-born businessman Tamir Sapir, whose top aide in 2004 pleaded guilty to a racketeering conspiracy with the Gambino crime family.

It’s impossible to keep track of all the gangsters Ivanka has palled around with. But what’s truly damning are the shady real-estate projects she has made rise and go forth.

In 2006, she oversaw the development of the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower in Panama City. The project was connected to a Brazilian money launderer later arrested for fraud and forgery as well as a Russian investor who’d previously been jailed in Israel for kidnapping. On Wednesday, a dispute between Trump’s company and the building’s owner turned violent. The journalist Marcy Wheeler has suggested the fight concerns records that may show Ivanka knew the property was laundering money. Police in riot gear stormed the hotel that Ivanka once hyped as “exemplary of the grandeur in which we like to enter a market.”

Ivanka was also a ranking official on the Trump SoHo, which has since shed the name Trump. In 2010, as ProPublica and WNYC have reported, the Manhattan District Attorney’s office began building a criminal case against Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. for using inflated sales figures to defraud prospective buyers. After receiving a visit from Trump family lawyer and campaign donor Marc Kasowitz, then-DA Cyrus Vance Jr. backed off.

latimes.com

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:49:02am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

Now imagine the right wing response if someone were denied a conceal permit using Gods authority and then playing the victim when they were called out. Davis is a pathetic grifter.

Ones in the bibul er constitution the other isnt
(Libtard)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:49:31am

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

I will note, however, that after long discussion with My Idiot Brother, who has his moments, he declared that although I am clearly atheist, I’m a Mennonite atheist. That is, my Anabaptist upbringing informs my worldview even with no god in it.

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Citizen K  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:52:13am

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

I will note, however, that after long discussion with My Idiot Brother, who has his moments, he declared that although I am clearly atheist, I’m a Mennonite atheist. That is, my Anabaptist upbringing informs my worldview even with no god in it.

All honesty, I am loath to call myself an atheist, or even agnostic. I call myself a ‘lapsed Catholic’ because even if I don’t believe in the faith anymore, I carry around too much of the upbringing and philosophical underpinnings from growing up a liberal Catholic to say otherwise.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:54:09am

Tiger Woods doesn’t spend this much time on golf courses.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:55:10am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:55:46am

re: #267 Citizen K

All honesty, I am loath to call myself an atheist, or even agnostic. I call myself a ‘lapsed Catholic’ because even if I don’t believe in the faith anymore, I carry around too much of the upbringing and philosophical underpinnings from growing up a liberal Catholic to say otherwise.

I think it’s important to separate belief or nonbelief in a god or gods from worldview. To me, nonbelief in a god or gods is not an organizing principle. It’s separate from your philosophical worldview. You can be atheist and believe in universal human rights, or you can be atheist and believe in total Social Darwinism.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:56:05am
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Citizen K  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:56:09am

re: #268 Ace-o-aces

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Tiger Woods doesn’t spend this much time on golf courses.

Then again Tiger Woods doesn’t regularly profit from being on a golf course, just for visiting, the way Trump is. Woods actually has to excel to get any sort of return. Trump just has to charge his fucking security detail for rentals and fees.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:56:26am

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

I will note, however, that after long discussion with My Idiot Brother, who has his moments, he declared that although I am clearly atheist, I’m a Mennonite atheist. That is, my Anabaptist upbringing informs my worldview even with no god in it.

You only shave with mennen products?
And who is this Ana?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:56:50am

re: #269 Ace-o-aces

Make America Great Like Never Before!

This seems at odds with Make America Great AGAIN.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:57:03am

re: #266 Blind Frog Belly White

I will note, however, that after long discussion with My Idiot Brother, who has his moments, he declared that although I am clearly atheist, I’m a Mennonite atheist. That is, my Anabaptist upbringing informs my worldview even with no god in it.

Hand up. I get it…

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:58:48am

re: #267 Citizen K

All honesty, I am loath to call myself an atheist, or even agnostic. I call myself a ‘lapsed Catholic’ because even if I don’t believe in the faith anymore, I carry around too much of the upbringing and philosophical underpinnings from growing up a liberal Catholic to say otherwise.

Atheism is a statement or opinion about the existence of God.
Not morality or worldview
(imo)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 10:59:43am

re: #273 dangerman

You only shave with mennen products?
And who is this Ana?

We are the Menno Nuns,
We wear our hair in buns,
We wear our dungarees,
Way down below our knees,
And when we want a man,
We don’t want any man!
We want a REAL man!
We want an AMISH Man!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:00:48am

Well, this went nowhere…

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:00:49am

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

This seems at odds with Make America Great AGAIN.

Give Craig a break. He’s an extortionist, not a writer.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:02:40am

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

I think it’s important to separate belief or nonbelief in a god or gods from worldview. To me, nonbelief in a god or gods is not an organizing principle. It’s separate from your philosophical worldview. You can be atheist and believe in universal human rights, or you can be atheist and believe in total Social Darwinism.

I’m on a phone. Yours is better

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Kragar  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:05:40am
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Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:07:14am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:08:04am

re: #281 Kragar

Won’t be much longer before you see it at Dollar Tree or .99 Cent Stores.

Give it about 90 days or so.

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Skip Intro  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:09:36am

re: #282 Ace-o-aces

The rubles changed his mond.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:09:46am

re: #282 Ace-o-aces

It looks like Wayne LaPierre has the “dirt” on the uncouth one.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:10:09am

re: #282 Ace-o-aces

LaPierre jerked the leash, and brought the dog back to heel.

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:10:51am

re: #281 Kragar

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So it’ll “sell” great but no one’s gonna read it

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dangerman  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:11:50am

re: #282 Ace-o-aces

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C’mon Ted go all the way
Call him a coward who won’t stand up for kids

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:12:45am

Wait for it

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Jay C  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:13:26am

re: #287 dangerman

So it’ll “sell” great but no one’s gonna read it

Yep: probably mainly to or through “conservative book clubs”: part of the RW Publishing Model: where the bookstore is merely a way-station between the printing plant and the pulping mill.

And who says conservatives don’t believe in recycling!!??

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:14:22am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:16:37am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:19:14am

re: #292 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The Second what? Amendment, you say? What’s “Amendment” mean?

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The Major  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:19:28am

re: #291 Ace-o-aces

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lawhawk  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:22:10am

Unfu…. nope. It’s unfuckingbelievable.

GOP votes on voice vote for a moratorium on AR-15 sales for 2 years. Minutes later they reverse course.

Did they not read what they were voting on? Or did the NRA yank their chain. And if they did, Florida voters need to yank the GOP’s chain even harder and send them into the dustbin of history.

Florida has among the weakest gun laws in the nation, and their per capita death rate from gun violence is higher than many states.

Any gun control measures would end up reducing gun deaths (and reduce health care costs too).

Now, when the NRA meets for their annual conference, the gun violence rate declined nationally during the duration of the conference.

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whitebeach  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:26:05am

re: #267 Citizen K

All honesty, I am loath to call myself an atheist, or even agnostic. I call myself a ‘lapsed Catholic’ because even if I don’t believe in the faith anymore, I carry around too much of the upbringing and philosophical underpinnings from growing up a liberal Catholic to say otherwise.

The great thing about being a lapsed Episcopalian like me is that we don’t carry all that luggage. In fact, the phrase “lapsed Episcopalian” is almost a redundancy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:26:59am

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

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Show me any difference between Vladimir Posner pushing the Soviet Communist line and the two assholes Malkin and D’Souza pushing the RussiapubliKKKlan line!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:27:34am

re: #297 Joe Bacon 🌹

Show me any difference between Vladimir Posner pushing the Soviet Communist line and the two assholes Malkin and D’Souza pushing the RussiapubliKKKlan line!

Ownership of the Means Of Production?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:29:10am

re: #295 lawhawk

Since the NRA loves The Iron Penis so much, they ought to be forced to allow Open Carry at all of their events!

If they want to force Open Carry on everyone else, Open Carry should also be mandated for the Tiny Penis Club gatherings!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:31:07am

re: #281 Kragar

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Why Ms. Adulteress’ book is already being pushed by Pulpit Pimping RussiapubliKKKlans!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:37:40am

re: #295 lawhawk

Hey, I have an idea! Let’s encourage Trump to speak in person to the next NRA convention, and when they’re all inside basking in the incandescent glow of his insanity, weld the doors shut.

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:39:33am

re: #295 lawhawk

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Two words regarding Florida gun laws: Marion Hammer (NRA lobbyist who owns the Florida government.)

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:45:01am

re: #278 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, this went nowhere…

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Nice demonstration run. Let’s park it maybe put a tarp over it and we can talk about all this at another time. But we are doing our jobs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:46:40am

As someday it may happen that a so-called victim must be found
Mueller’s got a little list, He’s got a little list
Of RussiarepubliKKKlan offenders who might well be underground
And who never would be missed — who never would be missed!
There’s the Pestilential Presstitutes who always kiss Trump’s ass —
All people who are “born again” and irritate you to no end —
All Congressmen blackmailed by Putin, and just sit on their ass —
All KKKonservatives who love Ayn Rand and want kids to starve to death —
And all Berniebots and Jill Shills who on spoiling elections insist —
They’d none of ‘em be missed — they’d none of ‘em be missed!

He’s got ‘em on the list — he’s got ‘em on the list;
And they’ll none of ‘em be missed — they’ll none of ‘em be missed

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:48:18am

re: #285 PhillyPretzel

It looks like Wayne LaPierre has the “dirt” on the uncouth one.

I am wondering if it is like this too: It looks like the Russians have the “dirt” on the uncouth one and Wayne LaPierre.

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Archangelus  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:48:39am

re: #304 Joe Bacon 🌹

You just know that if a quarter of that list were to have happened under Obama’s watch, they’d be screaming for impeachment till their throats couldn’t work no more, if not demanding his head on a pike…

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ObserverArt  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:49:56am

re: #289 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wait for it

Like a bridge over troubled waters…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:51:21am

re: #306 Archangelus

You just know that if a quarter of that list were to have happened under Obama’s watch, they’d be screaming for impeachment till their throats couldn’t work no more, if not demanding his head on a pike…

Just imagine the RussisrepubliKKKlan meltdown if Obama had been exposed having an affair with Stormy Daniels? Impeachment would have been passed within 60 seconds of Fox “reporting” that!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:55:29am

re: #308 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just imagine the RussisrepubliKKKlan meltdown if Obama had been exposed having an affair with Stormy Daniels? Impeachment would have been passed within 60 seconds of Fox “reporting” that!

If Obama with five kids by three women and the record of talking about women the way Trump has and imagine him being viable as a candidate for the Senate let alone the presidency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:59:07am

still a moron

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 11:59:34am

Imagine HRC with Trumps inexperience and ignorance being viable too. Trump is where he is because the GOP electorate wanted an unapologetic bigot after years of bigot wink and nudgers.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:00:37pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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Oh shut the fuck up Levin and look at what people like you wrote about the Obamas and Clinton’s.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:01:14pm

This whole family does nothing but whine.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:02:01pm

Don Jr takes a meeting from hostile foreign agents to get dirt on his opponents but everyone is just so unfair.//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:02:13pm

Note to Kim Davis: I am not gay, but if I were and you or someone like you denied me my legal rights I would for DAMN sure pound my fists on your table.

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calochortus  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:03:35pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Oh shut the fuck up Levin and look at what people like you wrote about the Obamas and Clinton’s.

But that was all accurate, right?
/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:04:57pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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freetoken  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:07:23pm

re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹

There are two types of Trumpers:
1) Trumpers who are idiots;
2) Trumpers who know how to make money off of the first group.

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MsJ  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:09:02pm

re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:11:55pm

This is like when Trump was talking to Merkel and said something about German car companies should build their cars here. And Merkel, I think, looked at him like he was nuts, because they DO build A LOT of their cars here, and in fact we EXPORT a lot of them to the rest of the world.

But he’s so fucking stupid he thinks ‘German car = Made In Germany’.

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Targetpractice  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:13:32pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

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This is like when Trump was talking to Merkel and said something about German car companies should build their cars here. And Merkel, I think, looked at him like he was nuts, because they DO build A LOT of their cars here, and in fact we EXPORT a lot of them to the rest of the world.

But he’s so fucking stupid he thinks ‘German car = Made In Germany’.

He also doesn’t understand that domestic automakers have (or, in GM’s case, had) foreign subsidiaries that built automobiles in Europe for European consumption. Ford UK, Vauxhall, Opel, and others were started by US automakers.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:15:06pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

It should be obviou

And you know what bugs me SO MUCH about that? Knowing Christians who are nothing like what “Christian” has come to mean in America today.

I’m atheist so maybe I’m not really the person to judge what is and isn’t Christianity, but, you know, MY take on the NT is that Jesus was on Earth to tell people that it’s up to us to make Earth the Kingdom of Heaven. That is, a place without hate, without war, without want, without fear. And the Christians I know see it that way and work to try to make it that way.

As a believer, all I can say is that seems obvious. Jesus is not about heaven - not about pie in the sky by the by - but about taking care of your neighbor with the understanding that everyone is your neighbor. The greatest sin I can imagine is to do nothing while waiting for an imaginary afterlife of joy instead of making someone’s life better here and now.

Ah, well there are many shades of grey in this world and only two of them are black and white.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:16:37pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:21:53pm

re: #318 freetoken

There are two types of Trumpers:
1) Trumpers who are idiots;
2) Trumpers who know how to make money off of the first group.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:22:30pm

re: #322 William Lewis

As a believer, all I can say is that seems obvious. Jesus is not about heaven - not about pie in the sky by the by - but about taking care of your neighbor with the understanding that everyone is your neighbor. The greatest sin I can imagine is to do nothing while waiting for an imaginary afterlife of joy instead of making someone’s life better here and now.

Ah, well there are many shades of grey in this world and only two of them are black and white.

This is where the social control aspect of Christianity, what you might call the Selling of Christianity, comes in. Making the Earth into the Kingdom of Heaven is hard work that requires being a better person than you would otherwise be.

OTOH, if you’re trying to get Everyman to toil and suffer his whole life under lousy conditions and simply accept what is, you offer the promise of Heaven as a reward, and tell them the shittier their life is on Earth, the better it will be in heaven.

Then of course you have to deal with people saying, “Well, hell - might as well end it now and get to Heaven sooner!”, so you have to make suicide a Mortal Sin!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:23:04pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FNC has gone full InfoWars.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:25:18pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

The corruption of Trump and his extended crime family, when fully revealed, will be unparalleled in history.

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Slump-chan  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:27:10pm

re: #327 jaunte

At least the Borgias had a modicum of class.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:28:28pm

re: #328 Slump-chan

At least the Borgias had a modicum of class.

They’d give you a good meal before their henchmen sneaked up behind you with the garrote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:28:31pm
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:29:53pm

On a TV-related note, has anyone here seen American Crime Story: The Assassination of Gianni Versace?

I haven’t had a chance to watch it yet, but I did see a couple of clips and it looks damn good. Edgar Ramirez is a favorite of mine (I remember him from Carlos) and Penelope Cruz is always good. And Darren Criss, who plays Andrew Cunanan, damn….the clips I saw look like a star-making performance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:32:34pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:33:14pm

re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹

I don’t question his paternity.

That lack of chin and gurning mouth are definitely heritable traits.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:35:30pm

re: #333 The Ghost of a Flea

I don’t question his paternity.

That lack of chin and gurning mouth are definitely heritable traits.

When it comes to that son of a bitch anything is fair game!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:37:28pm

re: #328 Slump-chan

Machiavelli would not even write a ‘zine about Donald Trump Jr.

(Is that too much of Renaissance deep cut?)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:39:46pm

re: #334 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m advocating accuracy, not courtesy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:46:17pm
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Slump-chan  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:48:41pm

re: #335 The Ghost of a Flea

Petronius would.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:53:42pm

And the Borgias probably weren’t as luridly guignol as they’ve come down to us. The men were venal and ambitious—and good at it, coming closer to developing an Italian empire under Cesare than anyone would achieve for awhile—and Lucretia was probably just a normal teenage girl used as a arranged-marriage football.

The Italians intriguing over the Papacy hated them because they were Spanish, and Pope Julius (delle Rovere) ran a smear campaign that’s not too different from the sort of crap we see these days. And it’s not a coincidence that the teenage girl got the worst reputation of all, because the people running the Italian city states were basically garbage people.

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jaunte  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:54:07pm

re: #337 Backwoods_Sleuth

Buck Wood, an Austin-based campaign finance and ethics attorney, said he’s unsure why the donations were classified as in-kind if the straws were sold at auction and the money was given to Garza’s campaign.

Apparently they just wanted to brag about donating semen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:55:52pm

re: #340 jaunte

Apparently they just wanted to brag about donating semen.

who wouldn’t like to have those bragging rights?

:D

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 12:58:52pm

Rango has been able to deduce that when I’m still home after 10AM, it’s a weekend, and he’s owed a nice long daylight walk. And he lets me know.

Today, however, he hasn’t bugged me at all. 50 degrees and raining. D’you suppose that’s part of it?

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sagehen  Mar 3, 2018 • 1:02:19pm

re: #329 Blind Frog Belly White

They’d give you a good meal before their henchmen sneaked up behind you with the garrote.

Don’t be silly; get blood all over that fine furniture and rugs? And then have to clean up the body? Never.

They’d give you a good meal, an exquisite meal in fact, with poison in it so you’d die hours later in your own house.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 3, 2018 • 1:04:44pm

re: #343 sagehen

Don’t be silly; get blood all over that fine furniture and rugs? And then have to clean up the body? Never.

They’d give you a good meal, an exquisite meal in fact, with poison in it so you’d die hours later in your own house.

No blood from garroting, but you would have to clean up the floor after….

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 3, 2018 • 2:45:52pm

re: #335 The Ghost of a Flea

Machiavelli would not even write a ‘zine about Donald Trump Jr.

(Is that too much of Renaissance deep cut?)

NO


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