Trump Now Using Golf Tee Markers With the Presidential Seal at His Courses (Which Is Illegal)

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Donald Trump continues debasing the office of the presidency by putting the presidential seal on his golf clubs’ tee markers.

In recent weeks, the Trump Organization has ordered the manufacture of new tee markers for golf courses that are emblazoned with the seal of the President of the United States. Under federal law, the seal’s use is permitted only for official government business. Misuse can be a crime.

Past administrations have policed usage vigilantly. In 2005 the Bush administration ordered the satirical news website The Onion to remove a replica of the seal. Grant M. Dixton, associate White House counsel, wrote in a letter to The Onion that the seal “is not to be used in connection with commercial ventures or products in any way that suggests presidential support or endorsement.”

This isn’t the worst thing he’s done, of course. But it’s especially galling after all the times this narcissistic hypocrite bashed President Obama for playing golf.

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217 comments

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2018 • 10:58:18am

If I still played golf, and by some happenstance I found myself at a Trump property, I would use an old beater driver and smash every single one of those abominations I could find.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 5, 2018 • 10:58:57am

I see a Presidential Whale

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jaunte  Mar 5, 2018 • 10:58:58am

Trump is fractally corrupt. At any scale, he is composed of scam.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:02:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:02:58am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:07:59am

re: #4 Kragar

A reminder that half the country is insane.

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VegasGolfer  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:08:11am

re: #1 Skip Intro

If I still played golf, and by some happenstance I found myself at a Trump property, I would use an old beater driver and smash every single one of those abominations I could find.

No honorable golfer would be caught dead at a trump golf course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:09:03am
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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:09:17am

re: #7 VegasGolfer

No honorable golfer would be caught dead at a trump golf course.

Sadly, the PGA still uses Trump courses for events.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:09:29am

Promoted from recently deceased thread:
Acchhhh! Found another gun I want, though the ammosexual crowd would probably not approve, since it is unsuitable for hammering whole throngs of “others” and, worse yet, it is made in CANADA!
Double Barrelled Flintlock Shotgun

The vent is not drilled on these so they are non-functional as shipped. This allows them to be sold in almost any jurisdiction. They can be made functional just by having a proper hole drilled in the vent, a simple job but one best left to an actual gunsmith. These guys have a whole line of reproduction muzzle loaders and are a leading source of Hollywood prop guns.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:09:30am

re: #4 Kragar

I agree with this comment.

Californian Dreamer • 2 minutes ago

It is this sort of shit that convinces me we are destined to have a civil war. These scumbags will do anything to retain power, anything. They have no love for America or children or our Constitution. They do not believe that all Americans are equal under the law, they subvert human rights, many of them are literally Confederates, Nazis, and Russia puppets. The most anti American bunch we’ve confronted since the last Civil War.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:10:02am

re: #4 Kragar

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Sweet Christ.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:10:46am

*region, not reason

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:10:49am

re: #11 Skip Intro

I agree with this comment.

I hate to think it but it’s very possible.

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:11:23am
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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:11:41am

re: #11 Skip Intro

A nuclear power having a civil war seems like the sort of thing that ends very badly for the entire world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:12:31am
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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:13:34am

BOOM.. goes Hannity. He tries to claim record oil production that might overtake Russia is somehow credited to Trump’s actions.

Too bad, because the facts show something completely different.

Yeah, thanks Obama!

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dangerman  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:14:14am

This’ll suck for the mfgr of the tees who likely has not been paid yet

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Jay C  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:15:09am

re: #11 Skip Intro

The most anti American bunch we’ve confronted since the last Civil War.

Who nonetheless wrap themselves in the Flag, and bleat endlessly about how THEY, and and they alone are the “Real Americans”. Nope, no cognitive dissonance here, move along…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:15:43am

I really like this photo

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:16:52am

re: #13 Kragar

Russia offered to design and build the new embassy at a bargain price because Trump is such a tough negotiator.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:17:59am

re: #16 KGxvi

A nuclear power having a civil war seems like the sort of thing that ends very badly for the entire world.

It was bad enough in 1861-5 but with us as a global power in several ways, I don’t even want to think about it but I do fear we get more divided each year.

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:18:29am

re: #20 Jay C

Who nonetheless wrap themselves in the Flag, and bleat endlessly about how THEY, and and they alone are the “Real Americans”. Nope, no cognitive dissonance here, move along…..

The Confederates claimed they were upholding the true meaning of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as well. Literally the first line from the South Carolina Articles of Secession:

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.

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Jay C  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:18:45am

re: #22 Skip Intro

Russia offered to design and build the new embassy at a bargain price because Trump is such a tough negotiator.

And were willing to throw in a long-term contract for IT maintenance and communications security as part of the deal!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:19:01am

re: #20 Jay C

Who nonetheless wrap themselves in the Flag, and bleat endlessly about how THEY, and and they alone are the “Real Americans”. Nope, no cognitive dissonance here, move along…..

They who worship a man who praises totalitarian strongmen over fellow Americans.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:19:05am
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dangerman  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:20:29am

re: #13 Kragar

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*region, not reason

An embassy in a dangerous reason needs to be hardened to withstand attacks, have a fully operation SCIF, and dedicated encrypted communication systems

You know like a school

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:21:22am

re: #27 Kragar

This is the way it’s done guys.

exploding swastika

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:24:55am

re: #27 Kragar

Now watch Trump try to declare war on Panama or some equally stupid shit*.

*= he’ll probably demand an embargo or sanctions or something.

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:26:23am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

It was bad enough in 1861-5 but with us as a global power in several ways, I don’t even want to think about it but I do fear we get more divided each year.

We’re divided but if it ultimately means the end, I don’t think it will be via shooting war. For one, the Feds have all the fire power. And I don’t see three percenters storming the local Air Force Base to get B-2 bombers being very successful. Same goes for when the cannons on Abrams tanks are pointed at them.

Beyond that, this is far from the first time we’ve been divided in this country. In fact, we’ve been divided for most of our history.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:27:46am

re: #31 KGxvi

We’re divided but if it ultimately means the end, I don’t think it will be via shooting war. For one, the Feds have all the fire power. And I don’t see three percenters storming the local Air Force Base to get B-2 bombers being very successful. Same goes for when the cannons on Abrams tanks are pointed at them.

Beyond that, this is far from the first time we’ve been divided in this country. In fact, we’ve been divided for most of our history.

True. The divide I guess seems amplified.

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:28:28am

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

Now watch Trump try to declare war on Panama or some equally stupid shit*.

*= he’ll probably demand an embargo or sanctions or something.

We have a free trade agreement with Panama, so obviously, he’ll demand tariffs. And return of the canal.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:28:32am

re: #31 KGxvi

But this time the Feds are on the side of the Nazis.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:28:53am
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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:29:17am

re: #33 KGxvi

We have a free trade agreement with Panama, so obviously, he’ll demand tariffs. And return of the canal.

Which will be renamed the “Trump Grand Canal”.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:29:26am

Looks like the good ole days are coming back. Putin’s offing his enemies. Soon will do the same for Trump.

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Skip Intro  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:30:19am

re: #37 darthstar

Looks like the good ole days are coming back. Putin’s offing his enemies. Soon will do the same for Trump.

If I was Junior I’d be worried, being the weak link and all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:30:21am
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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:30:30am

re: #35 darthstar

Random question: why do the Brits say “in hospital” while Americans say “in a/the hospital”?

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dangerman  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:30:48am

re: #31 KGxvi

We’re divided but if it ultimately means the end, I don’t think it will be via shooting war. For one, the Feds have all the fire power. And I don’t see three percenters storming the local Air Force Base to get B-2 bombers being very successful. Same goes for when the cannons on Abrams tanks are pointed at them.

Beyond that, this is far from the first time we’ve been divided in this country. In fact, we’ve been divided for most of our history.

None of those guys with guns wanna be the one to sacrifice his life “for the cause”

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Kilroy was here  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:31:28am

re: #37 darthstar

Looks like the good ole days are coming back. Putin’s offing his enemies. Soon will do the same for Trump.

Paul Manafort is looking into food tasters.. But no one will take the job.

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Archangelus  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:31:55am

re: #27 Kragar

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Watching this with meditation music in the background may just qualify as the most relaxing and borderline therapeutic experience one could ask for these days…

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:32:03am

re: #42 Kilroy was here

Paul Manafort is looking into food tasters.. But no one will take the job.

That’s only because nobody likes the taste of prison food.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:32:27am

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Makes his Hillary-fat joke all the more interesting, given that Rudy was just in Trump’s line of sight.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:32:42am

re: #38 Skip Intro

If I was Junior I’d be worried, being the weak link and all.

Yeah…and Jared too. I know he’s your husband dear, but he’s a liability…look at it this way, we’ll get to have a huge state funeral for him and Eric will take care of the fundraising.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:33:23am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:33:55am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

The best people, just the best. Lock Her Up.

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freetoken  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:34:04am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

Go for it, I say.

Let them truly fill up their arrogrance.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:34:56am

re: #37 darthstar

Looks like the good ole days are coming back. Putin’s offing his enemies. Soon will do the same for Trump.

“Look, I asked Putin if he offed the guy, and he said he didn’t do it, OK?”

//

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:35:39am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

They think they can stonewall and prance out on tv in an act of defiance all while showing completely disregard to the rule of law.

Nunberg isn’t any different than the rest of Trumpworld, but he’ll soon find that it’s more than a subpoena he’s got to worry about.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:35:59am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

OK. Time for Mr. Nunberg to be frogmarched in front of the TV cameras then.

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dangerman  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:36:30am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

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Please proceed…

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:37:29am

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

Interestingly, this primer on how to handle a federal grand jury subpoena doesn’t say anything about telling the prosecutor to go fuck himself and ripping up the subpoena on TV…

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:38:40am

re: #43 Archangelus

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:38:57am

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

OK. Time for Mr. Nunberg to be frogmarched in front of the TV cameras then.

Such good people, it’s not like their whole campaign was about locking up their political opponents.

///

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:39:40am

re: #51 lawhawk

They think they can stonewall and prance out on tv in an act of defiance all while showing completely disregard to the rule of law.

Nunberg isn’t any different than the rest of Trumpworld, but he’ll soon find that it’s more than a subpoena he’s got to worry about.

I’m honestly surprised Trump hasn’t tried to just pardon everyone yet. I’m guessing he’s been told that will be a bridge too far.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:41:05am

re: #55 Kragar

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I’ll have what she’s having.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:42:50am

re: #57 KGxvi

I’m honestly surprised Trump hasn’t tried to just pardon everyone yet. I’m guessing he’s been told that will be a bridge too far.

Also that pardons will obviate the ability to take the fifth on any federal charges not duplicated by State level liability.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:43:01am

re: #50 Sir John Barron

“Look, I asked Putin if he offed the guy, and he said he didn’t do it, OK?”

//

“Could’ve been a guy on his bed in New Jersey who weighs 400 pounds!”

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:44:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:46:04am

MOBILE, Ala. (AP) — Investigators have determined that an old wooden wreck found on the Alabama Gulf Coast isn’t the last slave ship to land in the United States, the Alabama Historical Commission said Monday.

A statement released by the state agency said the ship remains found north of Mobile are too large and new to be those of the Clotilda, which was burned nearly 160 years ago after delivering captives from what’s now the west African nation of Benin to Mobile in 1860.

snip

State and federal experts who examined the wreck recently said the ship in the mud was about 160 feet (50 meters) long, while the Clotilda was 86 feet (25 meters) long. Also, the wreck had three masts, while the Clotilda had two.

The wreck in the Mobile-Tensaw Delta had what appeared to be marks indicating fire damage, but the review showed those marks actually were caused by wood-eating marine organisms, the statement said.

Also, the construction methods used on the wreck didn’t become common until after the Clotilda was built, and the wreck didn’t appear to include oak, which was used on the slave ship.

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EPR-radar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:46:52am

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

OK. Time for Mr. Nunberg to be frogmarched in front of the TV cameras then.

I want federal espionage charges for these crooks. The same kind of charges that led to the Rosenbergs being fried.

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:46:57am

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Also that pardons will obviate the ability to take the fifth on any federal charges not duplicated by State level liability.

I’m just figuring that he really wants the investigation to end, and being as short sighted as he is, and being prone to short cuts, I could see him saying, “fuck ‘em, I’m pardoning everybody so they can’t touch us.” I mean, he already did it with Arpaio, so why not do it with his inner circle? So my only guess is that Ryan and McConnell told him he has to ride this investigation out and if he tries to pardon everyone to get out from under it, he’ll be impeached and removed.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:48:44am

re: #63 EPR-radar

I want federal espionage charges for these crooks. The same kind of charges that led to the Rosenbergs being fried.

You just need to charge one or two of ‘em with that, and I all but guarantee you, the rest of them will be singing like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:49:45am

re: #57 KGxvi

I’m honestly surprised Trump hasn’t tried to just pardon everyone yet. I’m guessing he’s been told that will be a bridge too far.

Anyone taking the pardon will Burdick themselves into a shit-ton of trouble (legal term) for all the state related charges (and NYS has a bunch of financial crimes laws that overlap with the federal level).

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:50:06am

Cosplaying 3 percenters?

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:51:04am

Everyone in Trumpworld is corrupt, and they’re using the corruption to solidify their positions:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:51:30am

It’s Frum but still funny:

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:51:55am

re: #64 KGxvi

I’m just figuring that he really wants the investigation to end, and being as short sighted as he is, and being prone to short cuts, I could see him saying, “fuck ‘em, I’m pardoning everybody so they can’t touch us.” I mean, he already did it with Arpaio, so why not do it with his inner circle? So my only guess is that Ryan and McConnell told him he has to ride this investigation out and if he tries to pardon everyone to get out from under it, he’ll be impeached and removed.

Another thing is the Burdick decision that established acceptance of a pardon as an implicit admission of guilt. Pardons would totally undermine his narrative that it’s all a witch hunt.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:52:42am

re: #67 lawhawk

Boba Fat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:53:23am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

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Boba Fat.

what? no armored codpiece?

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:56:06am
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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:59:23am

I’m surprised Trump’s $250,000 new Embassy in Israel isn’t getting more attention. We’re looking at spending that on our remodel and we’re only adding another 700 square feet.

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 11:59:28am

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

Another thing is the Burdick decision that established acceptance of a pardon as an implicit admission of guilt. Pardons would totally undermine his narrative that it’s all a witch hunt.

I read that more as dicta than governing law. And especially since pardons can be made unconditional, there isn’t necessarily an implication of guilt. But whether that issue would ever actually be litigated is beside the point, I suppose.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:01:49pm

re: #75 KGxvi

I read that more as dicta than governing law. And especially since pardons can be made unconditional, there isn’t necessarily an implication of guilt. But whether that issue would ever actually be litigated is beside the point, I suppose.

I thought there were two rulings: That they were an implication of guilt, and that you didn’t have to accept them for that reason.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:01:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:03:04pm
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William Lewis  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:03:47pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Promoted from recently deceased thread:
Acchhhh! Found another gun I want, though the ammosexual crowd would probably not approve, since it is unsuitable for hammering whole throngs of “others” and, worse yet, it is made in CANADA!
Double Barrelled Flintlock Shotgun

[Embedded content]

The vent is not drilled on these so they are non-functional as shipped. This allows them to be sold in almost any jurisdiction. They can be made functional just by having a proper hole drilled in the vent, a simple job but one best left to an actual gunsmith. These guys have a whole line of reproduction muzzle loaders and are a leading source of Hollywood prop guns.

You should have the smith inspect the barrel for quality and thickness as well. A proof test is also advisable. I’ve stayed away from those simply because there is very little in the way of standards since they are not designed to be fired. Black powder is not quite as unforgiving as smokeless powder but there is still an awfully large bit of pressure there.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:03:48pm

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

At first I thought that was a Fallout 4 cosplayer. That photo closely matches one of my best armor setups in the game, and the left arm looks as if it is ready to be hooked up to a Pip Boy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:04:05pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:04:38pm

re: #76 Belafon

I thought there were two rulings: That they were an implication of guilt, and that you didn’t have to accept them for that reason.

Exactly. Wilson tried to force a pardon on Burdick in order to force him to testify in a leak probe. Burdick fought for the right not to take it, and won.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:07:03pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

The most honest, innocent people. Believe me.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:07:13pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

True. The divide I guess seems amplified.

Amplified by a crazy news media some of which are just plain looney and social media which features crazies too, but is good at making it seem like they are everywhere.

The way the bots worked is a prime example of how social media can get something pumped up and then the crazy news media feeds on it and make it even bigger.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:08:34pm

Sam Numberg is doing his best to fuck himself on live TV like he’s Carter Page. This isn’t going to end well for him.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:09:41pm

re: #85 darthstar

Sam Numberg is doing his best to fuck himself on live TV like he’s Carter Page. This isn’t going to end well for him.

“Forget the myths the media’s created about the White House. The truth is, these are not very bright guys…”

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:09:53pm
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:10:30pm

And before I call it a day, here’s exclusive video from the future of Nunberg getting arrested:

Jerry Lundegaard getting arrested at the end of Fargo

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:11:39pm
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Jay C  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:12:15pm

re: #51 lawhawk

They think they can stonewall and prance out on tv in an act of defiance all while showing completely disregard to the rule of law.

Of course they do: because they think that they will basically be allowed to get away with it. And they’re probably not wrong.

If it were just a matter of “law”, there wouldn’t be much of an issue, but unfortunately, since political figures are involved, investigations like Robert Mueller’s can all-too-easily be spun as mere “matters of politics”: and officials’ improprieties (and never mind actual crimes) can be waved away as “hardball politics” or “partisan sniping”. And of course, relying on political actors (especially today’s GOP) to effectively police themselves - whatever Branch of government - is a fool’s game.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:12:56pm

And a brief musical interlude from BAND-MAID….they dropped a new vid it seems:

BAND-MAID / DICE

They rock pretty damn hard.

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Jay C  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:13:50pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

what? no armored codpiece?

It’s there: just probably worn on the inside: and about the size of a tablespoon, no doubt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:13:53pm

gonna need lots more popcorn:

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:15:00pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

And a brief musical interlude from BAND-MAID….they dropped a new vid it seems:

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They rock pretty damn hard.

They do. A friend put up a photo from Shibuya Crossing a couple of days ago and one of the buildings in the background of his photo has a massive multi-floor poster of Band-Maid right now.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:15:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:15:54pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:16:39pm

re: #74 darthstar

I’m surprised Trump’s $250,000 new Embassy in Israel isn’t getting more attention. We’re looking at spending that on our remodel and we’re only adding another 700 square feet.

Ahhh…nothing like the nouveau riche.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:17:11pm
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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:17:46pm

re: #85 darthstar

Sam Numberg is doing his best to fuck himself on live TV like he’s Carter Page. This isn’t going to end well for him.

He seems to think, an idea that he got from the White House, that Andrew Jackson’s White House is a roll model.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:18:08pm

re: #86 Sir John Barron

“It was a Haldeman operation.”

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:18:13pm
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:18:20pm

re: #94 Barefoot Grin

They do. A friend put up a photo from Shibuya Crossing a couple of days ago and one of the buildings in the background of his photo has a massive multi-floor poster of Band-Maid right now.

Listening to that song, the bassist (Misa) is superb and their drummer, Akane Hirose, is brilliant.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:18:41pm

I listened to a bit of the Nunberg interview while going to get lunch. You want to talk about unhinged. The dude was ranting like a maniac. Said he was going to rip up the subpoena on air on Ari’s show this afternoon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:19:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:20:27pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:21:36pm

Chris Cillizza has actually expressed dismay over Trump’s “joke” about our needing a President-for-life
cnn.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:22:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:22:43pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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He would have endorsed her despite saying she should be locked up? Trumpers are bizarre.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:24:59pm

Sam Nunberg has a big mouth.

And he carries his own rope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:25:31pm

she’s not even trying anymore

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:25:50pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sanders just cleverly gave herself a weasel way out - because so many of these alleged crimes occurred before Trump entered the WH.

Mueller has stuff on Trump, from before the election. He has stuff from years before he even entered the race because following the money means following it back to its source.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:26:23pm

re: #106 Hecuba’s daughter

But Trump’s willingness to engage in moral relativism and to stoke the notion that you take as much as you can until someone stronger stops you are the sorts of things that will likely echo well beyond his four or eight years in office. And not in a good way.

I’m going to claim he plagiarized this part because I refuse to believe he had this deep of a thought.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:26:42pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:27:11pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. Wilson tried to force a pardon on Burdick in order to force him to testify in a leak probe. Burdick fought for the right not to take it and won.

Lastly, the right not to take the pardon in Burdick was rooted, though not explicitly stated in these terms, in the Article III individual right to a jury trial, and the attached Fifth Amendment right to protest one’s innocence until found guilty through such due process. The pardon sought to bypass those constitutional protections of a person’s personal integrity and reputation.

Indeed, the grace of a pardon, though good its intention, may be only in pretense or seeming; in pretense, as having purpose not moving from the individual to whom it is offered; in seeming, as involving consequences of even greater disgrace than those from which it purports to relieve. Circumstances may be made to bring innocence under the penalties of the law. If so brought, escape by confession of guilt implied in the acceptance of a pardon may be rejected, preferring to be the victim of the law rather than its acknowledged transgressor, preferring death even to such certain infamy. This, at least theoretically, is a right, and a right is often best tested in its extreme.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:27:17pm

“Roger’s right…it’s a witch hunt; I mean the President is right, it’s witch hunt.”

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:28:04pm

re: #109 ObserverArt

Sam Nunberg has a big mouth.

And he carries his own rope.

I will say this for him…the man knows how to step on his own dick.

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Sea Mexican!  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:28:44pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I would feel safer with the drunkest guy (or gal) at a bar than Trump at the presidency.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:29:42pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

“…Except for that time Donald begged the Russians to hack Hillary’s emails, and except for that time Large Adult Son met with the Russians in Trump Tower and except for….”

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:30:29pm

Fun thread:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:30:50pm

re: #118 Sir John Barron

“…Except for that time Donald begged the Russians to hack Hillary’s emails, and except for that time Large Adult Son met with the Russians in Trump Tower and except for….”

Or when the RNC platform suddenly reversed course on Crimea or when Trump refused to implement sanctions.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:31:07pm
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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:31:08pm
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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:33:24pm

re: #122 lawhawk

What he’s trying to challenge is Mueller’s ability to enforce obstruction.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:34:17pm

Stupid Sam sounds like a good nickname for this guy.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:34:30pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:34:49pm

It just occurred to me. Wasn’t the NBC release of the news last night about Mueller asking for these emails stated as being ONE witness and his emails to the list of people?

Here is the opening paragraph of the NBC story from last night:

WASHINGTON — The grand jury investigating alleged collusion between Russia and Donald Trump’s presidential campaign has sent a witness a subpoena seeking all documents involving the president and a host of his closest advisers, according to a copy of the subpoena reviewed by NBC News.

Link to the article if anyone missed it.

NBC - Special counsel wants documents on Trump, numerous campaign associates

You know who’s name wasn’t on the list?

Sam Nunberg.

Hmmmm. Sam…you are in the spotlight. You might want to pipe down…or you will be under another light in a dark room being grilled Nunberg.

This may be why he is mouthing off?

Anyone else leaning this way?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:36:09pm

Time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:36:30pm
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freetoken  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:37:02pm

re: #126 ObserverArt

This may be why he is mouthing off?

Who knows. Perhaps he just wants the attention?

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:37:53pm

Let’s say Mueller charges him with obstruction? Who will arrest him?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:38:52pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Or when the RNC platform suddenly reversed course on Crimea or when Trump refused to implement sanctions.

Yeah except for all those times and except for all the times Donald told his crowd to read the Wikileaks-DNC email hacks and except for all the times

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Jay C  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:39:04pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Stupid Sam sounds like a good nickname for this guy.

Sam Numnutz.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:39:45pm

re: #129 freetoken

Who knows. Perhaps he just wants the attention?

Only one witness was asked to provide emails to the names on the list.

The very same names Sam said he is asked to provide HIS emails to.

Nunberg has to be the witness.

His mouth is flapin’ because his butt is sweatin’ big time.

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:40:02pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:40:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:41:14pm

re: #123 Belafon

What he’s trying to challenge is Mueller’s ability to enforce obstruction.

Not sure Mueller has to go that far. Contempt of Court will put Nunberg in the pokey till he relents.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:41:25pm

re: #134 Belafon

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That popping sound you just heard was Donny popping a blood vessel.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:41:42pm

re: #134 Belafon

“I did the collusion, I talked to Wikileaks. There was no collusion. You’re the collusion.”

/

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:42:55pm

They’re coming to take Sam away ha ha…

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:43:43pm

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

Not sure Mueller has to go that far. Contempt of Court will put Nunberg in the pokey till he relents.

I can see that. But this gets back to a fundamental question for me: When the admin really starts pushing back on Mueller, what powers does he have on the enforcement side?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:44:09pm

Narrator: There is.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:44:34pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:45:25pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

Narrator: There was.

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And there is it.

Sam Nunberg. This is your life.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:46:31pm

re: #142 darthstar

It took me about 5 seconds to parse that. Then I laughed.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:46:32pm

re: #140 Belafon

I can see that. But this gets back to a fundamental question for me: When the admin really starts pushing back on Mueller, what powers does he have on the enforcement side?

The US Marshal Service usually enforces such Court orders.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:47:13pm

re: #140 Belafon

I can see that. But this gets back to a fundamental question for me: When the admin really starts pushing back on Mueller, what powers does he have on the enforcement side?

As long as Rosenstein is still there and keeps playing it straight, he’s got the Federal criminal justice system. If the GJ indicts for obstruction, and he’s convicted and sentenced, only a pardon prevents him serving the time.

Unless I’m missing something.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:48:09pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:49:00pm

re: #147 Kragar

Should be a blast watching MSNBC tonight!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:49:48pm
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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:49:59pm

re: #146 Blind Frog Belly White

As long as Rosenstein is still there and keeps playing it straight, he’s got the Federal criminal justice system. If the GJ indicts for obstruction, and he’s convicted and sentenced, only a pardon prevents him serving the time.

Unless I’m missing something.

That’s mostly it. I was just wondering if, for grins, Sam tore up the summons on the courthouse steps, what Mueller could do to make him go inside or go to jail. It’s been answered. Like I said, I think he’s acting this way because they’ve taken Jackson’s “Let them enforce it” to heart.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:50:36pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

Challenge…. accepted.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:50:40pm

re: #147 Kragar

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Staffers are, even now, securing the Presidential phone.

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Targetpractice  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:51:02pm

We go live to the White House staff room:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:51:14pm
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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:51:24pm

re: #76 Belafon

I thought there were two rulings: That they were an implication of guilt, and that you didn’t have to accept them for that reason.

My reading of it is simply that you have a right to refuse a pardon for any reason. Pardons can be conditional or unconditional, so it can be conditional on an admission of guilt, but it isn’t required.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:51:30pm

When they played the tape, Nunberg actually said he didn’t want Mueller going over his emails to “Roger Stone and Do—Steve Bannon.” But he did slip in the Do— when he was talking. So there are emails to Trump himself.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:51:54pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:52:35pm

re: #155 KGxvi

My reading of it is simply that you have a right to refuse a pardon for any reason. Pardons can be conditional or unconditional, so it can be conditional on an admission of guilt, but it isn’t required.

The pardon in Burdick was unconditional.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:56:52pm

I didn’t get much sleep last night and I dozed off a little while ago even though I was tanked on coffee. As usual when that happens I had some weird dreams. The last one was a whopper: I dreamed that a Trump henchman was actually stupid enough to announce in public that he would defy a grand jury subpoena. He even said he would go on TV to tear it up. Maybe the coffee was contaminated with some hallucinogenic fungus. It seemed so real, though. I even dreamed that people here were posting about it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:57:43pm

re: #159 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I didn’t get much sleep last night and I dozed off a little while ago even though I was tanked on coffee. As usual when that happens I had some weird dreams. The last one was a whopper: I dreamed that a Trump henchman was actually stupid enough to announce in public that he would defy a grand jury subpoena. He even said he would go on TV to tear it up. Maybe the coffee was contaminated with some hallucinogenic fungus. It seemed so real, though. I even dreamed that people here were posting about it.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:58:10pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

The pardon in Burdick was unconditional.

And the reason I don’t see the bit about acceptance being an admission of guilt as mere dicta is that the entire reasoning behind the decision hinges on this idea. That in forcing a pardon on someone the President would be bypassing important protections that the Constitution gives them to fight for their own reputation in Court and be judged by a jury of their peers.

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Interesting Times  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:58:22pm
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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 12:59:44pm
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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:00:24pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

The pardon in Burdick was unconditional.

Which is why I read the acceptance of guilt part as dicta. I think it can be interpreted either way, I just tend to lean towards dicta since it wasn’t a direct issue in the case.

I’d be curious if there was a case where someone accepted an unconditional pardon and was later sued and found liable based in part on the acceptance of the pardon.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:00:45pm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:00:47pm
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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:01:06pm

re: #162 Interesting Times

I would have picked a different teacher.

Right now, from what I’m seeing, Sam is someone to laugh at, not with. And from what I’m learning about Mueller, he’s not betting anything on one person.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:01:30pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:01:55pm

re: #159 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I didn’t get much sleep last night and I dozed off a little while ago even though I was tanked on coffee. As usual when that happens I had some weird dreams. The last one was a whopper: I dreamed that a Trump henchman was actually stupid enough to announce in public that he would defy a grand jury subpoena. He even said he would go on TV to tear it up. Maybe the coffee was contaminated with some hallucinogenic fungus. It seemed so real, though. I even dreamed that people here were posting about it.

Someone check the grains being used to make Cheetos for ergot.

That would explain a lot of the madness coming from the RWNJ basement-dwelling losers.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:02:46pm

re: #163 Kragar

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HappyWarrior  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:03:14pm

re: #142 darthstar

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Oh boo fucking hop.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:03:21pm

re: #168 Ace-o-aces

Huh, wow

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Charles Johnson  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:03:41pm
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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:06:52pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

None of these guys cares about the rule of law.

Nunberg went to Touro Law.
Cohen went to law school.

Both are intent on seeing their law careers ended over all this. Both are intent on going to prison for Trumpworld.

I say we help them.

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Kilroy was here  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:08:41pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

I bid 50 quatloos on the newcomer.

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Interesting Times  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:09:29pm

Debbie Downer perspective time:

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:12:13pm
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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:13:23pm

re: #176 Interesting Times

Debbie Downer perspective time:

That’s what I’ve been beating around the bush of. Someone will have to be there to arrest Sam when he rips up the subpoena.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:13:27pm

re: #174 lawhawk

None of these guys cares about the rule of law.

Nunberg went to Touro Law.
Cohen went to law school.

Both are intent on seeing their law careers ended over all this. Both are intent on going to prison for Trumpworld.

I say we help them.

Why would they do that? Why throw themselves on the sword for Trump? Is Putin threatening to mutilate their loved ones?

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Belafon  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:14:42pm

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

Why would they do that? Why throw themselves on the sword for Trump? Is Putin threatening to mutilate their loved ones?

There are some true believers that think that turning the country over to Democrats will end it.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:15:33pm

re: #177 Kragar

Ooh…tell me what he says about Huckabooboo.

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:15:37pm

re: #179 The Vicious Babushka

They all seem to think they’ve done nothing wrong, when it’s evident that they did - from the obstruction of justice to improper communications with Russia to shady business dealings.

Mueller’s a professional and is going to take all these guys to school.

The US Marshals will get exercised here.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:17:02pm
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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:17:26pm
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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:18:17pm
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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:19:25pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:19:38pm

Jesus Christ, Nunberg is now basically dialing into cable newsrooms and going on the air like a total lunatic.

All the attention must feel great to this guy! SO MUCH WINNING!!!!
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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:20:40pm

Wait… just found the angle.

Nunberg tells truth about Trump knowing all this stuff, but his actions are so erratic that he’s hoping that his testimony will get undermined because of it… and a stint in jail for obstruction of justice…

Yeah, not a great strategy when there are so many other bits of corroborating evidence.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:20:41pm
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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:20:45pm
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JordanRules  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:21:15pm
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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:21:37pm

re: #188 lawhawk

No wait.

This is Nunberg from multiverse 5415134. They’re fucking morons there. The only thing Nunberg cares about is the special sauce. /rick and morty

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:22:03pm

re: #191 JordanRules

There are so many cable news hosts that are not happy that their shows aren’t on in this hour.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:22:07pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:22:54pm

re: #186 darthstar

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“Salisbury steak”

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:23:07pm

re: #188 lawhawk

Wait… just found the angle.

Nunberg tells truth about Trump knowing all this stuff, but his actions are so erratic that he’s hoping that his testimony will get undermined because of it… and a stint in jail for obstruction of justice…

Yeah, not a great strategy when there are so many other bits of corroborating evidence.

He’d be better off having his lawyer call Mueller and negotiate some sort of immunity deal and then telling all to the grand jury.

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mmmirele  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:23:29pm

I once ignored a third-party federal subpoena in a civil case with no repercussions. That’s because the cheap-ass Church of Scientology expected me to show up without paying the required witness fee. After checking, this essentially rendered the subpoena invalid. So I said nothing (so as not to give them the opportunity to cure their mistake) and didn’t show for the deposition. Nothing happened.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:24:23pm

re: #191 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Cut to Huckabee trying to clean up after Nunberg admitting that Trump knew about the meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower that is the very heart of a conspiracy (NOT “collusion” - there obviously is no such criminal charge) conviction.

Giphy

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:25:13pm
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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:25:58pm

re: #196 KGxvi

Nunberg’s already burned that bridge with the apparent claim that his lawyer was going to dump him.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:26:04pm

Fox right now interviewing guy who quit job at Dick’s to protest new anti-AR policies.

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darthstar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:26:07pm

re: #195 Barefoot Grin

“Salisbury steak”

That was my favorite TV dinner as a kid…with today’s news…not so much.

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Kragar  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:26:51pm
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makeitstop  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:26:58pm

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

Listening to that song, the bassist (Misa) is superb and their drummer, Akane Hirose, is brilliant.

I’m pretty impressed with the vids you’ve posted. From what I can tell, they’re actually playing their own stuff and they know how to lean into it.

I was leery after seeing Babymetal, but these young women seem like the real deal. Any live stuff out there?

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lawhawk  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:27:30pm

re: #197 mmmirele

That’s an entirely different universe of actions than what we’re seeing here from Nunberg.

Civil v criminal for starters.

And Mueller’s team of investigators aren’t going to take a refusal to respond with inaction.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:29:18pm

Dammit. Meant to post this. Although it’d be better if it was a giant truck-sized vacuum, trying to clean up a total dumpster fire …

About as useful as anything else right now…
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:29:34pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:29:40pm

re: #202 darthstar

That was my favorite TV dinner as a kid…with today’s news…not so much.

I got nostalgic typing it!

I wouldn’t be surprised if Roger Stone’s part in this—aside from Assange connection—is bringing Jill Stein in as Green Party candidate. He did the same with John Anderson in the 1979 election on behalf of Reagan.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:32:58pm

re: #197 mmmirele

I once ignored a third-party federal subpoena in a civil case with no repercussions. That’s because the cheap-ass Church of Scientology expected me to show up without paying the required witness fee. After checking, this essentially rendered the subpoena invalid. So I said nothing (so as not to give them the opportunity to cure their mistake) and didn’t show for the deposition. Nothing happened.

Different rules apply when the government is the party that issued the subpoena.

The server need not tender the attendance fee or mileage allowance when the United States, a federal officer, or a federal agency has requested the subpoena.

Technically a member of Mueller’s team could show up at Nunberg’s kid’s little league practice with the Marshal Service, present him with a compulsory immediate presence order and drag him to the grand jury right then and there.

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KGxvi  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:34:34pm

re: #197 mmmirele

I once ignored a third-party federal subpoena in a civil case with no repercussions. That’s because the cheap-ass Church of Scientology expected me to show up without paying the required witness fee. After checking, this essentially rendered the subpoena invalid. So I said nothing (so as not to give them the opportunity to cure their mistake) and didn’t show for the deposition. Nothing happened.

Civil depositions and grand jury testimony are very different creatures.

Usually what happens in a deposition, particularly of third party witnesses, the deposing attorney will reach out to the witness or their counsel to arrange a date, time, and location. Witness fees are often paid at the deposition, so you got lucky there. The parties will also usually confirm a day or two before that the deposition will be going forward (I’ve had a few cases where depositions were continued several times). And if the witness isn’t critical to the case, it might just get called off.

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ObserverArt  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:37:01pm

re: #168 Ace-o-aces

Nick Morrow
@NRMorrow
Fun fact: Katy Tur (who just did that bonkers interview with Sam Numberg) is the daughter of the helicopter pilot and reporter who filmed the OJ chase from the air in LA

3:56 PM - Mar 5, 2018

Yes. Zoey Tur is her father. Zoey is also the woman who was going to crush one Benny Shapiro’s manhood in her hands.

Zoey Tur Threatens Ben Shapiro

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Sir John Barron  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:39:26pm

I don’t think this insanity defense is going to work, Mister President.

/

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:39:47pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dangerman  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:42:38pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

And a brief musical interlude from BAND-MAID….they dropped a new vid it seems:

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Video

They rock pretty damn hard.

this here is why i made my new year’s resolution

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2018 • 1:57:50pm

re: #115 Barefoot Grin
Is he flirting with Katie Tur

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 5, 2018 • 2:01:36pm

re: #190 Kragar

And that, friends, is why they tell you not to stand up in a canoe.

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gocart mozart  Mar 5, 2018 • 2:03:15pm

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