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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:34:15am

Was it really a breakdown, or, was it performance art?

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:35:46am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:37:30am
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MsJ  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:38:23am

re: #1 freetoken

Was it really a breakdown, or, was it performance art?

It could be either. It could be deflection from the many scandals that broke yesterday.

This guy is a Roger Fucking Stone disciple. This could very well be a dirty trick to keep people talking about the crazy and not the incredibly shady shit that everyone in this maladministration seems to put forth every day.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:40:49am

“So I have here an earthly weapon. It’s a firearm. I would never want to use that against another man,” Robertson explains as the camera focuses on the weapon.

“This is also a weapon. It’s called a sword — the sword of the spirit. You want to stop murder worldwide? You’re focusing on the wrong weapon, he continues as he picks up a Bible held together with duct tape.”

“This, this will stop human beings from murdering one another,” he adds as he ends the lesson on bringing gun violence to an end.

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:40:54am
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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:42:10am

re: #4 MsJ

The Age of Broadcasting has led to the Age of Celebrity.

Nunberg now has his 48 hours of fame.

This will open further doors to books, TV shows, podcasts, etc.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:44:52am

re: #5 Kragar

That showed up on my Facebook wall when it was released.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:47:57am

re: #5 Kragar

“So I have here an earthly weapon. It’s a firearm. I would never want to use that against another man,” Robertson explains as the camera focuses on the weapon.

“But this weapon is a gift from God, the right to bear arms, it’s a right that God gives us, or at least me, and this earthly gun weapon will stop all murders, oh wait I meant to say the Bible will stop all murders, wait, aren’t murders sometimes OK?”

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:48:40am

re: #5 Kragar

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The first half of that book is mostly about war and genocide. And it’s been used countless times to justify more war and genocide. In addition to the denial of basic civil rights.

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darthstar  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:52:06am

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Sir John Barron  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:52:43am

“My White House is not Chaos! Fake news! Not chaos. Chaos is OK sometimes. You’re the chaos!”

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jaunte  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:53:37am

How many goods could a Baio cott if a Baio refused to buy Dicks?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:54:10am

re: #5 Kragar

“This here AR-15 rifle is great, and I know it was used in a horrible crime recently that the FBI didn’t do anything to stop and which was a false flag crime anyway because of crisis actors and oh yeah what was I saying oh yeah here is this great gun and the Bible which is also great.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:58:11am

The wind knocked out my Internet service … it’s still pretty windy here now.

From the last thread, about Jeopardy!

re: #546 Swampwitch

On Jeopardy! tryouts:

They were doing a military cattle call when I was in Spain.

I signed up for it. My section leader, who despised me and learned about it, put me down for a watch right at the time of the tryouts, then wouldn’t let me out of it or exchange with someone else. I missed the tryout.

A year and a half ago, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? took out an advert in Mensa Bulletin asking people to send in short stories (under five hundred words) about themselves, of which they would notify people this year if they were selected for tryouts for the show.

Tryouts are done at their studio in Stamford, Conn. I’m not sure exactly when this year they will notify the candidates they selected through the E-mail, but I am hopeful… . I’ll pay to go to Stamford.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:02:59pm

Making coal great again:

Rick Perry seeks new path to save coal

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:03:38pm

It’s almost as if Trump intentionally set out to make the most maliciously ignorant Administration in history.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:04:23pm
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Kragar  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:04:42pm

re: #14 Sir John Barron

“The Bible will stop murders!”

Louisiana has the highest per capita murder rate of any US state

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:05:03pm

Corrupt to the core.

Or more accurately, corrupt from the core.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:06:24pm

re: #16 freetoken

Making coal great again:

Rick Perry seeks new path to save coal

Looks like tilting at windmills after his transparent effort to subsidize coal failed.

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Swampwitch  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:07:49pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹

For Millionaire the tryouts were in Des Moines, but first you had to beat a call-in test. I hope you get called and I hope you make it. I didn’t realize Millionaire was still on. I watch my shows via various websites.

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:09:31pm

re: #19 Kragar

“The Bible will stop murders!”

Louisiana has the highest per capita murder rate of any US state

It’s all them voodoo queens…

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:12:16pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:16:20pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:17:50pm

re: #25 JordanRules

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:17:56pm

re: #17 freetoken

It’s almost as if Trump intentionally set out to make the most maliciously ignorant Administration in history.

almost, though he didnt
this is all haphazard and random
not schemed, calculated and planned

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:17:56pm

re: #25 JordanRules

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And this is why the Right hates organized labor.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:18:17pm

re: #25 JordanRules

That still didn’t address their bigger concern of the rising cost of healthcare. What ever happened with that?

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:18:53pm

re: #18 freetoken

More evidence of such:

Top EPA officials are working for private companies on the side

Eisen’s quote is astounding.
there’s just no standards for anything

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:20:12pm

re: #29 MsJ

Yeah. Not seeing that addressed either. It’s not all good news here.
Maybe other states, like the OK teachers, can learn from this.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:21:07pm
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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:21:35pm

re: #30 dangerman

Eisen’s quote is astounding.
there’s just no standards for anything

It’s rotten from the core outwards.

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:23:16pm

re: #26 JordanRules

It’s not really a win, not if you have to get your gains out of making others suffer.

the teachers did not demand “give us raises and make others suffer in the process”
that’s on the senate, not the teachers
the senate could have done lots of things. they chose to “take the money” from where they did

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:27:35pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:28:25pm

re: #34 dangerman

I feel you. I’m certainly not disparaging the teachers but there are a few lessons here.

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:29:16pm

Trump just took credit for South Korea’s Olympics

anything in the world that happens he has to be in the center of it

it’s envy

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:31:14pm

re: #36 JordanRules

I feel you. I’m certainly not disparaging the teachers but there are a few lessons here.

of course
and it may not be a great deal
it seems to be way better than where they started

i dont know what happened with the health insurance
that phone app thing was creepy

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:31:43pm

re: #24 JordanRules

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And keep misspelling its.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:32:22pm

Ethno-religious nationalism rears its head anywhere, and has long done so in India, and now the Indian gov’t is going one step farther:

By rewriting history, Hindu nationalists aim to assert their dominance over India

[…]

Minutes of the meeting, reviewed by Reuters, and interviews with committee members set out its aims: to use evidence such as archaeological finds and DNA to prove that today’s Hindus are directly descended from the land’s first inhabitants many thousands of years ago, and make the case that ancient Hindu scriptures are fact not myth.

[…]

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:32:52pm

Heh, Crazy Roger Stone is going to be on MTP Daily with Chuck Todd at 5:00.

I don’t know if I can actually watch that…but thought some may be brave and want to see it.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:33:15pm

So, poking around YouTube and saw the teaser trailer for the upcoming Disney flick Christopher Robin, which is here:

Christopher Robin Official Teaser Trailer

then saw this headline from AVClub, which made me burst into laughter -

The teaser for Disney’s Christopher Robin is full of Pooh

avclub.com

LOLOL

Incidentally, Jim Cummings is returning to do the voice acting for Winnie the Pooh. I had to do a double-take because Cummings sounds virtually identical to Sterling Holloway, who did the voice for Pooh originally in the 1960’s.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:33:39pm

re: #39 BeachDem

And keep misspelling its.

Alternatively they may be reporting on a monster clown’s five penises…

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SteelPH  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:34:08pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Heh, Crazy Criminal Roger Stone is going to be on MTP Daily with Chuck Todd at 5:00.

I don’t know if I can actually watch that…but thought some may be brave and want to see it.

FTFY

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:35:13pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

I remember when NBC banned him for being a racist POS. Guess Chuckles got that lifted.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:36:41pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Heh, Crazy Roger Stone is going to be on MTP Daily with Chuck Todd at 5:00.

This is just more in a pile of evidence that large media corporations like Comcast/NBCU really only want to generate more confusion and conflict.

Instead of Stone, Chuck Todd ought to have on some scholars who dismantle the idiocies of Stone and his cohorts.

But that would not generate as much attention, hence viewers, hence advertising rates.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:37:05pm

re: #45 JordanRules

I remember when NBC banned him for being a racist POS. Guess Chuckles got that lifted.

He’s good for ratings…all else in the past is forgiven if Chuck can get some ratings.

Stone will eat him alive and turn the whole “interview” into a Stoner joke.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:39:26pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

No doubt! It will be a hot mess indeed.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:39:27pm

Continuing from that Reuters story:

In much the same way that some Christians point to evidence of an ancient flood substantiating the Biblical tale of Noah and his ark, if the settings and features of the ancient scriptures in India can be verified, the thinking goes, then the stories are true. “If the Koran and Bible are considered as part of history, then what is the problem in accepting our Hindu religious texts as the history of India?” said Sharma.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:42:08pm

From fake history to real history:

Nineteenth-Century Message in a Bottle Recovered in Australia

[…]

The family handed the bottle over to researchers at the Western Australian Museum, who worked with German and Dutch officials to analyze the message. They determined that it had been tossed from the bark ship Paula on June 12, 1886, and was one of thousands of messages that had been thrown overboard as part of a 69-year study of global ocean currents.

[…]

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:42:59pm

re: #49 freetoken

Continuing from that Reuters story:

My son’s classmates tend to be less than thrilled when he makes that kind of argument about religion at school.

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sagehen  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:43:20pm

re: #46 freetoken

This is just more in a pile of evidence that large media corporations like Comcast/NBCU really only want to generate more confusion and conflict.

Instead of Stone, Chuck Todd ought to have on some scholars who dismantle the idiocies of Stone and his cohorts.

But that would not generate as much attention, hence viewers, hence advertising rates.

It would be worthwhile if Chuck did the kind of research that Rachel and JoyAnn do, to be able to ask meaningful questions and push back on bullshit answers.

But it’s Chuck, so I wouldn’t expect that.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:47:32pm

re: #52 sagehen

It would be worthwhile if Chuck did the kind of research that Rachel and JoyAnn do, to be able to ask meaningful questions and push back on bullshit answers.

But it’s Chuck, so I wouldn’t expect that.

Chuck doesn’t seem to be curious, which is a bad trait for someone in news.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:47:46pm

How to know someone is in fantasy land:

Panel on Indian culture not an attempt to rewrite history, says government

“We are not making history textbooks or rewriting history. We are looking at resources, verifying facts which establish the millions-of-years-old rich history of India and its culture. Many of these have been presented as distortions or completely ignored,” said a member.

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S'latch  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:48:41pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:50:12pm

In other news, I just posted this littlegreenfootballs.com - about how the Texas GOP in general, and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Slime Mold) in particularly, are starting to see the kind of numbers in the election that generally lead to bummer election-night “victory” parties.

Ted Cruz and Doppelganger
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S'latch  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:50:14pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:50:23pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:52:28pm

re: #53 Belafon

Chuck doesn’t seem to be curious, which is a bad trait for someone in news.

And what’s the point of interviewing a guy who’s own “rules” are admit nothing, deny everything, counterattack?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:52:50pm

re: #58 JordanRules

That’s pretty profound when I think about it. The right has been moving right for so long now that even a “moderate” Republican is miles away from the political center, speaking in classic conservative/liberal terms.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:58:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 12:59:34pm

re: #61 Kragar

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There’s a theory that you’re a moron.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:00:10pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

There’s a theory that you’re a moron.

Well fuck you to!
/

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:00:42pm

re: #59 Barefoot Grin

Yeah. I think the odds for spectacle are a lot greater than the odds for anything valuable.
But anything is possible I guess.

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gocart mozart  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:00:48pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:02:15pm

re: #34 dangerman

the teachers did not demand “give us raises and make others suffer in the process”
that’s on the senate, not the teachers
the senate could have done lots of things. they chose to “take the money” from where they did

Isn’t the real problem that red state legislatures (in general) refuse to raise taxes on the wealthiest? The GOP has lost all semblance of community and belief that we are all in this together. Libertarians of course never had that belief. I don’t know what it will take to get us together again and for the wealthy to believe their fair share means more money as percentage of income than paid by those of fewer assets.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:03:08pm

re: #65 gocart mozart

The rules are different if he’s a god.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:03:09pm

re: #63 Kragar

Well fuck you to!
/

Heh Trump not you dude.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:03:20pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

He’s good for ratings…all else in the past is forgiven if Chuck can get some ratings.

Stone will eat him alive and turn the whole “interview” into a Stoner joke.

Which kinda goes to my re: #4 MsJ

It could be either. It could be deflection from the many scandals that broke yesterday.

This guy is a Roger Fucking Stone disciple. This could very well be a dirty trick to keep people talking about the crazy and not the incredibly shady shit that everyone in this maladministration seems to put forth every day.

Because if this really goes into crazy land, this kinda proves that it is meant to be a distraction to all the criminality that is spewing from this maladministration.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:03:52pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:04:59pm

re: #70 Ace-o-aces

I’m not gonna eat a live gerbil, no matter what David Brooks says.

too many other interesting uses for them…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:05:09pm

re: #70 Ace-o-aces

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Honest question, what or who is a centrist Dem or GOPer these days?

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:06:06pm

re: #54 freetoken

Maybe they’re talking about the appearance of Denisovans?

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:08:19pm

re: #73 KGxvi

Maybe they’re talking about the appearance of Denisovans?

They are claiming that Hindus are the original inhabitants of the Indian sub-continent.

Has nothing to do with the Denisovans, whose only physical evidence is from Siberia, and whose inheritance (DNA) is more found among the Papuans in far SE Asia.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:08:34pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Honest question, what or who is a centrist Dem or GOPer these days?

How about George Pataki? And remember, Michael Bloomberg was elected mayor of New York as a Republican.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:08:55pm

Gonna call it a day here in Europe. Have a good one, Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:09:45pm

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

How about George Pataki? And remember, Michael Bloomberg was elected mayor of New York as a Republican.

Well I meant sitting office holders.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:09:53pm

re: #69 MsJ

It’s not distracting Mueller, the Parkland kids or GOP Congress.

2 of those for better.

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:10:17pm
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Kilroy was here  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:13:45pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:14:45pm

re: #5 Kragar

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Wanna see Phil’s tiny mind explode? Ask him what’s he gonna do with that gun if the gov’t comes and tries to confiscate it. Is he gonna murder another human, in defiance of God’s law, in order to retain it?

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:14:54pm

re: #66 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t the real problem that red state legislatures (in general) refuse to raise taxes on the wealthiest? The GOP has lost all semblance of community and belief that we are all in this together. Libertarians of course never had that belief. I don’t know what it will take to get us together again and for the wealthy to believe their fair share means more money as percentage of income than paid by those of fewer assets.

bingo
that’s why this is on the senate and not the teachers
they didnt have to take it from general services, medicaid or any other budget line

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:15:28pm
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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:15:52pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Honest question, what or who is a centrist Dem or GOPer these days?

Feinstien probably counts as a centrist, depending on the definition. Maybe Bill Nelson? Susan Collins on the GOP, maybe Murkowski? McCaskill and Tester perhaps, along with Heitkamp? Kaine strikes me as fairly centrist as well. But again, it depends on how you define centrist.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:17:36pm

re: #83 lawhawk

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He likes Sweden so much he pretended to be Swedish but note that didn’t get the publicity Warren did for believing a family legend even though Trump’s father would have known that his father (DJTs grandfather) was German.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:17:45pm

still a moron

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:18:35pm

re: #84 KGxvi

Feinstien probably counts as a centrist, depending on the definition. Maybe Bill Nelson? Susan Collins on the GOP, maybe Murkowski? McCaskill and Tester perhaps, along with Heitkamp? Kaine strikes me as fairly centrist as well. But again, it depends on how you define centrist.

I think that sounds right. I’d say of our two Warner is more moderate than Kaine though Warner has always been pro choice.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:18:55pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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Counteract aka think Vlad.

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:19:16pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

He likes Sweden so much he pretended to be Swedish but note that didn’t get the publicity Warren did for believing a family legend even though Trump’s father would have known that his father (DJTs grandfather) was German.

Just because he talks like this guy, doesn’t mean he’s pretending to be Swedish:

Swedish Chef - Meatballs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:20:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:20:51pm

re: #89 KGxvi

Just because he talks like this guy, doesn’t mean he’s pretending to be Swedish:

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Nah that guy is elequent by comparison.

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:22:36pm

re: #70 Ace-o-aces

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re: “the center”

i’ve said it over and over - and i will again

Moderate does not mean fence sitting or wishy washy. It means not being pigeonholed into polarizing left/right, conservative/liberal paradigms. It means not holding extreme positions, generally black and white ones.

It does not mean that I can’t hold strong or convicted opinions.

It also generally means to face each issue on its own merits. I don’t have to have the same position on the spectrum for issue B as issue A.

Moderate mostly means non-ideologue

we are not lost or missing. and we’ll be damned to let you presume we are dead

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:22:51pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:23:04pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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I’d pay good money to hear a reporter ask him aloud what’s he going to do that Obama didn’t and be specific. You know he’d just pout and ignore the question.

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:23:15pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

I think that sounds right. I’d say of our two Warner is more moderate than Kaine though Warner has always been pro choice.

I mean it really does depend on how you define centrist. If you’re talking about adhering to a ideology, there’s probably more than a few in both Houses of Congress that haven’t thought too deeply about their ideology. If you’re talking policy, that could be a different discussion. And if you’re talking about a willingness to compromise and engage in horse trading to get things done, that’s a third conversation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:25:33pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:25:53pm
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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:26:10pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right wing domestic terrorists.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:27:54pm

re: #95 KGxvi

I mean it really does depend on how you define centrist. If you’re talking about adhering to a ideology, there’s probably more than a few in both Houses of Congress that haven’t thought too deeply about their ideology. If you’re talking policy, that could be a different discussion. And if you’re talking about a willingness to compromise and engage in horse trading to get things done, that’s a third conversation.

Good points.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:28:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:28:32pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:28:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:29:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:29:21pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So full of shit.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:29:32pm

Anytime some mental lightweight like Brooks talks about “the center,” what I hear is “the center is wherever I am.” And that’s really the problem in our current political climate, the Overton Window has moved to the left and yet too many “serious” folks want to believe it’s stayed static to where it was when they themselves entered politics. It’s why they can’t comprehend why things like “identity politics” is a major motivator of votes or why politicians who used to have electoral success giving lip service to liberal beliefs why having mixed to conservative voting records are finding themselves on the outs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:30:00pm

I really can not imagine WHY the Swedish guy is laughing…

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:31:30pm

re: #97 JordanRules

Here’s what I’m trying to figure out about these tariffs and the supposed point that they’ll protect/create American jobs… Unemployment is under 5%, that’s effectively full employment. If they create new jobs (they won’t), who is going to work those jobs? Especially if it’s manufacturing? Younger workers aren’t necessarily interested in manufacturing jobs because they’ve grown up in a service economy. Beyond that, we are importing steel and aluminum because our demand for those materials is outpacing our supply. In what world does it make sense to institute tariffs?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:31:47pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

Anytime some mental lightweight like Brooks talks about “the center,” what I hear is “the center is wherever I am.” And that’s really the problem in our current political climate, the Overton Window has moved to the left and yet too many “serious” folks want to believe it’s stayed static to where it was when they themselves entered politics. It’s why they can’t comprehend why things like “identity politics” is a major motivator of votes or why politicians who used to have electoral success giving lip service to liberal beliefs why having mixed to conservative voting records are finding themselves on the outs.

Brooks is a hack. He rails against supposed liberal elites while being an elitist ass.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:31:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:32:04pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:32:20pm

Yes, green chile corn lemon cookies that are a month old still taste good. They’re just kinda crunchy.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:32:21pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He speaks like a man who has not been in charge of a damn thing in years, but instead has had an army of lawyers and middle-management guys blowing smoke up his ass while they ran things.

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lawhawk  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:33:25pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is absolutely clueless about trade imbalances, and its effect on jobs.

It mirrors the ignorance of the GOP base.

This line of thinking is that if we have a positive balance it means more jobs.

How do we know that this is bullshit?

We’re already at or near full employment. Starting a trade war doesn’t increase jobs. It puts them at risk. Higher tariffs means higher costs borne by consumers.

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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:33:39pm

re: #109 Kragar

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Everyone wants to work for this White House…which is why we’re hearing story after story about White House staff saying they’ve committed career suicide by being associated with this plague ship of an administration and won’t be able to find employment once they’ve left.

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Old Liberal  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:33:42pm

re: #26 JordanRules

It is still a win. A huge win. Now for the people getting cut and those who care about them, get out there and raise hell for yourselves.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:33:43pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s really not bright.

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Kragar  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:34:47pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:35:58pm

I think the sentiment I saw the other day is right, this talk about tariffs is meant to help defeat Conor Lamb next week.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:36:08pm

re: #117 Kragar

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Idiot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:36:27pm
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Old Liberal  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:36:42pm

re: #34 dangerman

the teachers did not demand “give us raises and make others suffer in the process”
that’s on the senate, not the teachers
the senate could have done lots of things. they chose to “take the money” from where they did

Now we need the teachers to take advantage of their solidarity and raise holy hell to throw out these Republican assholes and show they are on the side of the people getting cuts. There’s a reason they call it Solidarity.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:40:35pm

re: #107 KGxvi

Here’s what I’m trying to figure out about these tariffs and the supposed point that they’ll protect/create American jobs… Unemployment is under 5%, that’s effectively full employment. If they create new jobs (they won’t), who is going to work those jobs? Especially if it’s manufacturing? Younger workers aren’t necessarily interested in manufacturing jobs because they’ve grown up in a service economy. Beyond that, we are importing steel and aluminum because our demand for those materials is outpacing our supply. In what world does it make sense to institute tariffs?

Another point is that production of steel in the US has not actually declined in the last 30 years. But as productivity has increased, fewer workers are needed. So, it’s not that China stole our steel jobs. It was the robots.

But overall, you have a guy whose worldview is no deeper than image. Coal mining, steel making, autobuilding, shipbuilding - these are all manly, broad-shoulder things he associates with America’s heyday. Largely white man jobs. REAL jobs that a guy like him - a doughy blob with soft baby hands who grew up rich - sees as ‘what real men do’. I think he really believes that if only we get rid of foreign competition and environmental regulations, the same industry we had in the 1950s will come back, employing the same numbers, doing the same jobs.

He thinks he can take America back 70 years, and we’ll thrive. After all, we thrived then, didn’t we?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:42:15pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

Everyone wants to work for this White House…which is why we’re hearing story after story about White House staff saying they’ve committed career suicide by being associated with this plague ship of an administration and won’t be able to find employment once they’ve left.

I mean, the poor little dears can’t even get laid! Oh, the inhumanity!

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fern01  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:42:37pm

re: #83 lawhawk

The Swedish PM is trying SO hard not to laugh at Trump right now.

World leaders should just stay at home - trump parades them as his prize - lies and refuses to stand by anything he has said.

Listening to his b.s. about who “loves” him makes me aghast - yet again - that anyone thought this moron could would or should be POTUS.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:43:30pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Brooks is a hack. He rails against supposed liberal elites while being an elitist ass.

Hey, he’s in touch with the Average Joe at the salad bar at Applebee’s.

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:44:44pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

BREAKING: Trump says he’s not worried about Russia meddling in 2018 midterms, says, ‘We’ll counteract whatever they do’

sure we will

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:48:30pm

One vote for Beto, done.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:48:37pm

Is anyone surprised?

EPA’s Scott Pruitt Doesn’t Buy Evolution

The administrator of the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Scott Pruitt, said that evolution, at least as it concerns the origins of humans, is a philosophical and not scientific matter, according to audio from a 2005 radio show unearthed by Politico. “There aren’t sufficient scientific facts to establish the theory of evolution,” Pruitt said.

[…]

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:49:03pm

re: #127 Ace Rothstein

One vote for Beto, done.

I’m rooting for him. He’s got a bright future no matter what.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:49:17pm

re: #128 freetoken

Is anyone surprised?

EPA’s Scott Pruitt Doesn’t Buy Evolution

Yawn.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:49:17pm

re: #127 Ace Rothstein

One vote for Beto, done.

I did that this morning. There were so many choices in that race and the one for governor on the Democratic side.

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:50:33pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

Anytime some mental lightweight like Brooks talks about “the center,” what I hear is “the center is wherever I am.” And that’s really the problem in our current political climate, the Overton Window has moved to the left and yet too many “serious” folks want to believe it’s stayed static to where it was when they themselves entered politics. It’s why they can’t comprehend why things like “identity politics” is a major motivator of votes or why politicians who used to have electoral success giving lip service to liberal beliefs why having mixed to conservative voting records are finding themselves on the outs.

and that’s why my definition of center as i noted above is not based on the left/right spectrum. if you think that way and put someone along that line, you assume they will vote any issue based on where you stuck them on line

its important to decouple every issue from every other -
i dont have to think about or vote on guns the same way i do on abortion, or cake bakers, or unions, or tariffs, or any other issue.

im still mostly a dem, mostly a lib. because that’s my nature. i hold some right-end positions too. i dont fit in two or even three dimensions

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fern01  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:50:42pm

re: #97 JordanRules

Trump will face reporters and they will smile and accept his b.s. talk that answers no questions.

From the article his main aim seems to be to bring down the EU - for which Mr Putin will say “thank you so much Mr President - great job”

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makeitstop  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:50:54pm

Topiary Cat!

The Topiary Cat - How It All Began

More info here.

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:51:55pm

re: #107 KGxvi

Here’s what I’m trying to figure out about these tariffs and the supposed point that they’ll protect/create American jobs… Unemployment is under 5%, that’s effectively full employment. If they create new jobs (they won’t), who is going to work those jobs? Especially if it’s manufacturing? Younger workers aren’t necessarily interested in manufacturing jobs because they’ve grown up in a service economy. Beyond that, we are importing steel and aluminum because our demand for those materials is outpacing our supply. In what world does it make sense to institute tariffs?

it would take years to build a steel mill if the demand is ever felt
and it wont be your granddaddy’s steel mill employing hundreds of workers

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:52:49pm

re: #109 Kragar

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“believe me” is the statement of a person who has no argument at all

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:55:53pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:56:08pm

Sounds familiar.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:56:43pm

Oliver Stone is also a moron

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:57:04pm

re: #138 JordanRules

Sounds familiar.

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Taking lessons from their GOP counterparts.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:58:13pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oliver Stone is also a moron

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Yawn doesn’t explain his lack of respect for their neighbirs’ Sovereignty. Ollie is part of the bizarre political circular spectrum.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2018 • 1:58:57pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oliver Stone is also a moron

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A wet dream cartoon of the MIRVing of Tampa might be misinterpreted as “aggressive”.

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:00:02pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’ve literally negotiated two more treaties with Russia since then SORT and START II.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:00:54pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Yawn doesn’t explain his lack of respect for their neighbirs’ Sovereignty. Ollie is part of the bizarre political circular spectrum.

See en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:01:03pm

re: #143 KGxvi

We’ve literally negotiated two more treaties with Russia since then SORT and START II.

Can’t expect Stone to know that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:02:16pm

re: #144 Nyet

See en.wikipedia.org

Never heard of him but there are quite a few like that.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:03:03pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Another one:

en.wikipedia.org

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fern01  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:04:02pm

re: #135 dangerman

it would take years to build a steel mill if the demand is ever felt
and it wont be your granddaddy’s steel mill employing hundreds of workers

It would also require MASSIVE investment to build that steel mill - blast furnaces, coke ovens etc etc - don’t come cheap.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:04:24pm

re: #147 Nyet

Another one:

en.wikipedia.org

And we have Horowitz here in the States. And Eugene Genovese.

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dangerman  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:07:05pm

re: #148 fern01

It would also require MASSIVE investment to build that steel mill - blast furnaces, coke ovens etc etc - don’t come cheap.

this isnt even a pipe dream

it’s idiocy bordering on non-sequiterism
steel tariffs will not create steel industry jobs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:08:56pm

and ANOTHER moron pipes up

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:09:43pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oliver Stone is also a moron

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Broken clock moment. Bush pulling out of the ABM treaty to build an interceptor system that absolutely will not work under any realistic attack scenario was incredibly short-sighted and stupid.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:10:43pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

and ANOTHER moron pipes up

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At what part of that story do the moose and squirrel appear?

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:10:55pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Mahler’s story is esp. interesting.

At the time, Mahler was active as a lawyer who defended students facing criminal prosecution. By 1970, he had defended Rudi Dutschke, Beate Klarsfeld

[…]

In 1980, Mahler was freed from prison after serving ten years of his fourteen-year sentence. This was largely due to the efforts of his lawyer, Gerhard Schröder, who would later become Chancellor of the reunited Germany.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:11:02pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

and ANOTHER moron pipes up

I’m hearing Jack has to have help tying his shoes.

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:11:54pm

re: #150 dangerman

this isnt even a pipe dream

it’s idiocy bordering on non-sequiterism
steel tariffs will not create steel industry jobs

I read a couple days ago that Bush and Obama both briefly instituted steel tariffs (I think on both occasions they were ruled illegal by the WTO), and in both cases they actually cost more jobs than they saved. I think in one case it “saved” 1500 steel worker jobs while costing almost 4000 retail/wholesale jobs downstream. So, yeah, going to just fuck up the economy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:12:10pm

re: #154 Nyet

Mahler’s story is esp. interesting.

Very interesting.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:13:00pm

So, I get an email from American Express asking me to revalidate my credit card. The return email address is indeed an AMEX email address, as are all the links in the email.

But obviously any such emails are suspicious. Well, to me it is, but I’m sure there are plenty of people out there who would be fooled by it.

It is not obvious from the email. However, it includes an HTML attachment that one is supposed to open to fill out information.

Open the HTML (in incognito window and using VPN) and it takes me to a web page that looks just like it would be from AMEX.

However, I look at the source code… and there is a script being loaded from: quantum-sails.ru

Now, why would an American credit and banking company be using source code from a Russian address, of a company that looks, from its webpage, to be indeed about sailing?

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BlueGrl21  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:13:00pm

re: #127 Ace Rothstein

One vote for Beto, done.

Me too. Texas Lizards doing their part.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:13:28pm

re: #156 KGxvi

I read a couple days ago that Bush and Obama both briefly instituted steel tariffs (I think on both occasions they were ruled illegal by the WTO), and in both cases they actually cost more jobs than they saved. I think in one case it “saved” 1500 steel worker jobs while costing almost 4000 retail/wholesale jobs downstream. So, yeah, going to just fuck up the economy.

The Bush tariffs were trying to stave off the closing of the great Burns Harbor steel mills in the wake of 9/11. All of us who lived in the area know exactly how that turned out. (Spoiler alert: Those mills have been closed for over a decade.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:13:40pm

so many snowflakes…

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:13:44pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think he got it backwards, Trump took the money and reneged on the deal (see: HIS ENTIRE FUCKING BUSINESS CAREER) and Hillary wouldn’t bite.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:14:04pm

re: #65 gocart mozart

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Sinistershade  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:15:22pm

re: #122 Blind Frog Belly White

He thinks he can take America back 70 years, and we’ll thrive. After all, we thrived then, didn’t we?

Ironically, he’s not entirely wrong. 70 years ago: A highly progressive income tax. Strong unions. Much lower income inequality…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:15:59pm
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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:16:28pm

re: #164 Sinistershade

Ironically, he’s not entirely wrong. 70 years ago: A highly progressive income tax. Strong unions. Much lower income inequality…

And most the rest of the world in rubble and population depleted following WWII.

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Belafon  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:16:44pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

so many snowflakes…

NRA referring to Daily Caller. Gotta like echo chambers.

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MsJ  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:16:50pm

re: #84 KGxvi

Feinstien probably counts as a centrist, depending on the definition. Maybe Bill Nelson? Susan Collins on the GOP, maybe Murkowski? McCaskill and Tester perhaps, along with Heitkamp? Kaine strikes me as fairly centrist as well. But again, it depends on how you define centrist.

These days we have crazy people and everybody else. Everybody else is centrist from left to right.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:19:02pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

so many snowflakes…

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Waaah.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:19:24pm

re: #167 Belafon

NRA referring to Daily Caller. Gotta like echo chambers.

Noticed that too.

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:19:26pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

literally nothing in the piece says anything about confiscating all guns. It does mention Australia’s experience with a buy back program for semi-automatic weapons, which has been, you know: successful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:20:07pm

sigh

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HappyWarrior  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:20:26pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh

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Agh.

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:21:05pm

Sounds like the Chuck Todd/Roger Stone Interview is going pretty much as expected—Roger spouts bullshit and Chuck “moves on.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:21:24pm
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fern01  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:22:38pm

re: #150 dangerman

this isnt even a pipe dream

it’s idiocy bordering on non-sequiterism
steel tariffs will not create steel industry jobs

They will probably reduce employment in industries that use imported steel - higher cost, less demand. Most RW administrations end in recession - trump achieving that in faster time than most presidents - not to mention reducing world wide trust in the US to a negative value.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:23:12pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:23:23pm

Chuck Todd complicit now.

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wrenchwench  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:23:27pm

re: #159 BlueGrl21

Me too. Texas Lizards doing their part.

Beto updings on offer for all. I first ‘Paged’ him in 2011. Glad to see he’s come so far. May he reach the US Senate this year.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:23:38pm
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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:24:39pm

re: #178 Barefoot Grin

Chuck Todd complicit nowALWAYS.

fify

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:25:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:26:09pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:28:01pm
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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:28:14pm

Hmmm, looks like the Weinstein Company was mostly a means of paying off women that Harvey harassed:

“We have received disappointing information about the viability of completing this transaction,” Contreras-Sweet said in a statement Tuesday. “As a result, we have decided to terminate this transaction.”

Looks like it’s heading for bankruptcy and liquidation.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:28:59pm
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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:29:11pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because, Joe, he sees Russian interference as helping him.

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darthstar  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:30:44pm
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fern01  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:30:55pm

re: #181 BeachDem

Chuck Todd complicit now ALWAYS.
fify

I was about to post exactly that - scrolled downwards and saw you had done it - so just copied your post. Tod’s been giving RWNJs space to b.s. since Nov 4, 2008

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:32:53pm
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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:34:42pm

re: #190 JordanRules

Delaware is a haven for American corporations, which is why the Delaware Dems went with this no doubt.

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Nyet  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:34:50pm

re: #190 JordanRules

Where’s Kaine? Oh…

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:35:06pm

re: #36 JordanRules

I feel you. I’m certainly not disparaging the teachers but there are a few lessons here.

If the voters of WV want investment in public goods and services, they will quit voting for Republicans. Otherwise, they can expect to sink to Third World status.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:35:11pm

it’s a banner day for morons:

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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:36:47pm

Per NYT, Cohn is pulling the plug.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:37:36pm

who needs to know proper English and how to spell? Not this gal!

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Sinistershade  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:38:04pm

re: #166 KGxvi

And most the rest of the world in rubble and population depleted following WWII.

No question. I’m just always amused by the nostalgic conservatives who are unable to discern what was actually good and successful in the past.

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:39:11pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

Texas came in 46th on Quality of Life in that same study. Quality of Life apparently measures “air quality, pollution, voter participation, social support and more”. I need to dig into the methodology to see how those are actually measured.

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fern01  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:39:14pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s a banner day for morons:

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All the best GOPers go to Fox News to find the real news

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makeitstop  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:40:09pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

Per NYT, Cohn is pulling the plug.

On what? The tariffs? Dad’s gon’ be mad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:41:56pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:42:12pm

re: #200 makeitstop

On what? The tariffs? Dad’s gon’ be mad.

Trade and tariffs. I just have a phone alert.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:43:19pm

re: #148 fern01

It would also require MASSIVE investment to build that steel mill - blast furnaces, coke ovens etc etc - don’t come cheap.

I keep posting info on Worthington Industries from here in Columbus. They have grown to be a pretty big steel producer all over the world now. They have many locations all over America.

The reason I keep mentioning them is because they are the new steel industry. It has completely changed from the era of early car manufacturing and steel frame buildings, etc. They have new ways to make steel as the furnaces are way more efficient and smaller. Everything is smaller and cleaner.

Here is the link to their site. Look at all they produce and how they do it. It’s not the steel manufacturing like the huge over 1/2 mile long Empire Reeves plant that was just blocks from my childhood home. Thank God.

https://worthingtonindustries.com/Home

And here is one of their main production facilities here in Columbus (Worthington -
a Suburb). This is not the steel plants of the old days. Trump may not even know they make rolled sheet steel here.

Also, I used to do brochures and other advertising materials at an agency that had a client Allied Mineral Products. They made “refractory” materials, specialized sand and ceramic mixes, that are sprayed into the modern furnaces that make them concentrate more heat on the melting of the ore. I learned a lot about all the changes from them, as they sell and help install these liners in many modern furnaces all over America. They have grown along with Worthington.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:43:33pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

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To be fair, the video game industry has long been lamented as being the single most miserable job in programming. Long hours, vague requirements, and the crunch-time insanity is second to none. You also have literally no idea if you will even have a job the next day - the politics of video game development are such that cancellations can occur with no notice whatsoever. I try not to bag on the terribleness of video games, understanding that they are developed in the software equivalent of sweatshops.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:43:49pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

Per NYT, Cohn is pulling the plug.

re: #200 makeitstop

On what? The tariffs? Dad’s gon’ be mad.

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fern01  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:44:28pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

Per NYT, Cohn is pulling the plug.

Given he has advised trump repeatedly against the steel tariffs that was most likely. Anyone and everyone who works for trump is humiliated by the experience - one way or another. Fools to think they could make a difference.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:44:40pm

re: #180 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Doesn’t he have a pregnant wife to keep apologizing to for publicly humiliating her by cheating online and being just overall a fucking asshole? Clean up your own house first, you fucking douche hammer.

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KGxvi  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:45:00pm

re: #198 KGxvi

So the quality of life thing seems to be weighted toward more rural states:

Among the measures used to evaluate states’ natural environments are drinking water quality, air quality and total toxic chemical pollution per square. The ranking also considers how much each state puts its citizens at risk for long-term, chronic health effects from pollution.

North Dakota is number one on that list, California has 14 counties and four cities with populations larger than North Dakota.

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makeitstop  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:45:06pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Trade and tariffs. I just have a phone alert.

Here it is.

Gary D. Cohn, President Trump’s top economic adviser, plans to resign, becoming the latest in a series of high-profile departures from the Trump administration, White House officials said on Tuesday.

The officials insisted there was no single factor behind the departure of Mr. Cohn, who heads the National Economic Council. But his decision to leave came after he seemed poised to lose an internal struggle amid a Wild West-style process over Mr. Trump’s plan to impose large tariffs on steel and aluminum imports.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:45:28pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:46:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:47:06pm
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fern01  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:47:33pm

re: #203 ObserverArt

I keep posting info on Worthington Industries from here in Columbus. They have grown to be a pretty big steel producer all over the world now. They have many locations all over America.

The reason I keep mentioning them is because they are the new steel industry. It has completely changed from the era of early car manufacturing and steel frame buildings, etc. They have new ways to make steel as the furnaces are way more efficient and smaller. Everything is smaller and cleaner.

Thanks for the info - my knowledge is dated - I worked at a steelworks 1970s - which closed in the 1990s - had 15000 employees when I was there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:48:32pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:48:34pm

Spare a few moments thought for the poor GS-07 who has to run the laminator at the WH credentials office.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:50:01pm
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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:50:27pm

re: #208 KGxvi

It’s just another constructed story full of artificial weighting of metrics.

The reason there are a lot more homeless people here in alleged number 50 California than in alleged number 1 Iowa is because a homeless person in Iowa would die outside in the winter, while here someone can live (miserably) outdoors in the winter.

And so on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:51:06pm

heh

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:52:14pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well shit. Someone should check the Doomsday clock.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:53:24pm

re: #174 BeachDem

Sounds like the Chuck Todd/Roger Stone Interview is going pretty much as expected—Roger spouts bullshit and Chuck “moves on.”

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Stone is slick as hell. Way too much for Chuck.

I watched, sadly, but I just had to see it and it went about as expected.

You can’t nail down Roger Stone. He’s way too slick.

Tom Brokaw (not a fan of him either) basically said what is up. Stone is practiced and knows what he wants to say and knows your questions and then he sets the tone and the narrative. And it all sounds so damn good because he is polished.

The only way to handle Stone is to do what Mueller is doing. Dig for the facts. They will not lie. Stone will and he’s a champion at it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:54:32pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:56:39pm

re: #220 ObserverArt

He picked Chuck for a reason too. I don’t think he’d fair well against Rachel, Joy or Ali.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 6, 2018 • 2:57:40pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hopefully all the people she called to get to the poles will be headed there, north and south, they have options.

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:02:15pm

re: #203 ObserverArt

I keep posting info on Worthington Industries from here in Columbus. They have grown to be a pretty big steel producer all over the world now. They have many locations all over America.

The reason I keep mentioning them is because they are the new steel industry. It has completely changed from the era of early car manufacturing and steel frame buildings, etc. They have new ways to make steel as the furnaces are way more efficient and smaller. Everything is smaller and cleaner.

Here is the link to their site. Look at all they produce and how they do it. It’s not the steel manufacturing like the huge over 1/2 mile long Empire Reeves plant that was just blocks from my childhood home. Thank God.

https://worthingtonindustries.com/Home

And here is one of their main production facilities here in Columbus (Worthington -
a Suburb). This is not the steel plants of the old days. Trump mayu not even know they make rolled sheet steel here.

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Also, I used to do brochures and other advertising materials at an agency that had a client Allied Mineral Products. They made “refractory” materials, specialized sand and ceramic mixes, that are sprayed into the modern furnaces that make them concentrate more heat on the melting of the ore. I learned a lot about all the changes from them, as they sell and help install these liners in many modern furnaces all over America. They have grown along with Worthington.

Yep—I know all of the Worthington Industries history—wrote the script for their 50th anniversary event in 2005 (damn, I’m old) and it is a pretty amazing story.

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Skip Intro  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:02:58pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Trump’s a billionaire?

Sez who?

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:03:06pm

re: #127 Ace Rothstein

One vote for Beto, done.

Me too! There are some good choices this year in lots of races!

Check out this guy, Joseph Kopser, who’s running to replace Lamar Smith (R-Mars)

kopserforcongress.com

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BlueGrl21  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:03:13pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s a banner day for morons:

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“Liberalism” in Texas is a relative term. We’re not confiscating guns and socializing medicine up in here.

This state is never going to be bright blue. We’re scrambling for purple.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:05:14pm

re: #213 fern01

Thanks for the info - my knowledge is dated - I worked at a steelworks 1970s - which closed in the 1990s - had 15000 employees when I was there.

The big steel mill in my hometown hit the skids in the late 70s. By the late 80s it was reduced down to about 1/8 the size it was originally and it was bought out by AK Steel.

They kept the stainless process going, and that was reduced because of new tech. The rest of all that property is now just empty lots.

Empty lots reflecting the same empty lots of old manufacturing plants that were there at one time too.

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ObserverArt  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:10:08pm

re: #224 BeachDem

Yep—I know all of the Worthington Industries history—wrote the script for their 50th anniversary event in 2005 (damn, I’m old) and it is a pretty amazing story.

In many ways they changed the industry. I had a hunch you may have worked with them sometime or another.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:18:22pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does anyone else think that he looks like Trey Gowdy’s daddy?

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:21:46pm

re: #229 ObserverArt

In many ways they changed the industry. I had a hunch you may have worked with them sometime or another.

My favorite tidbit from the script.

1955. That was the year that John H. McConnell used his 1952 Oldsmobile as collateral on a $600 loan that would allow him to buy his first load of steel and launch Worthington Industries.

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BeachDem  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:22:26pm

re: #230 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Does anyone else think that he looks like Trey Gowdy’s daddy?

Mike Pence with a different nose.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Mar 6, 2018 • 3:28:48pm

re: #232 BeachDem

Mike Pence with a different nose.

That thought ran through my head as well, but then I thought Pence and Stone looked to be about the same age.


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