Overnight Snarky Puppy Jam: “Binky”

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Snarky Puppy - Binky
From the live DVD “groundUP” (available at groundup.ropeadope.com)

Recorded and filmed live (free of overdubs) on December 16, 2011, at Shapeshifter Lab in Brooklyn, New York, for GroundUP Music. For more information and upcoming tour dates, please visit groundup.ropeadope.com or snarkypuppy.com.

Written, arranged, and produced by Michael League.

Personnel:
Shaun Martin - Moog
Bill Laurance - organ
Cory Henry - keyboard
Justin Stanton - Fender Rhodes
Mark Lettieri - guitar
Bob Lanzetti - guitar
Chris McQueen - guitar
Michael League - bass
Nate Werth - percussion
Keita Ogawa - percussion
Marcelo Woloski - percussion
Robert “Sput” Searight - drums
Andy Hunter - trombone
Jay Jennings - trumpet
Mike Maher - trumpet (solo)
Chris Bullock - sax (solo)

Engineered by Eric Hartman, Diko Shoturma, and Avi Gunther.
Filmed by Andy LaViolette, Brad Holt, Simon C.F. Yu, and Caroline Stucky.
Mixed by Eric Hartman.
Mastered by Scott Hull at Masterdisk NYC.

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498 comments

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:27:01pm

Lordy he better keep it real in that book.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:32:47pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:34:35pm

Another view of that horrid suit.

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retired cynic  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:35:32pm

re: #3 JordanRules

Another view of that horrid suit.

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Jacket sleeves too short.

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scottslemmons  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:37:20pm

re: #3 JordanRules

Another view of that horrid suit.

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So dapper!

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:37:48pm

re: #4 retired cynic

Whole thing is too small. In the view posted of it the yesterday he looked preggers.

Noteworthy cause he was supposed to be one of the new stylish Nazis. Tuh, he looks a mess.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:37:58pm

Oh wow.

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makeitstop  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:38:06pm

re: #3 JordanRules

Another view of that horrid suit.

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The conservative ideal of cutting edge fashion.
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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:47:01pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:47:05pm

Amanda and ‘Run for Something’ have some really good stories coming out of TX.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:54:50pm

If there is one good thing about the Trump Presidency, it’s that it has done an outstanding job of motivating people in this country to become politically active and get involved.

With any luck, this surge may mean we never get stuck with someone like Trump ever again.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:55:42pm

Wait.

There are yam dick pics?

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:57:16pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

Wait.

There are yam dick pics?

It will do your psyche well if you don’t dwell on this.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 9:57:28pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

It’s possible and it’s terrifying! Honestly, please just keep eating wonderful cajun and creole food and erase this possibility from your mind. LOL

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Stanley Sea  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:05:05pm

re: #14 JordanRules

It’s possible and it’s terrifying! Honestly, please just keep eating wonderful cajun and creole food and erase this possibility from your mind. LOL

I’m just catching up lol. So much partying and we have to be there at 7:30 ea morn.

I predict he will pull a breathless sister Sarah quit when it gets too much.

April I pray.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:14:58pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

7:30 in the morning?!? The organizers are wrong for that.
But, I just love that city so much that my adrenaline always pushes me thru. And you can enjoy more food if you’re awake!

April would be kinda poetic. Maryland now requires that he release his taxes for coup 2020.

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sagehen  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:16:53pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

Oh wow.

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So any defense he tries to offer to this suit… would mean admitting the story is true?

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:18:35pm

Curt is salty in the replies. Teeheehee

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:18:36pm

If there are Trump dick pics, I motion for an Anthony Weiner exhoneration. (No, not really. But my point is clear.)

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sagehen  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:26:06pm

re: #19 JordanRules

Curt is salty in the replies. Teeheehee

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:28:06pm

re: #18 sagehen

So any defense he tries to offer to this suit… would mean admitting the story is true?

I saw this quote on Reddit - the poster claims to be a lawyer.

Lawyer here.

This agreement is not invalid simply because Trump didn’t sign it. The terms are clear, and she was paid the money as contemplated by the agreement. The fact that Trump didn’t sign it is irrelevant because it was signed by his agent.

However, and this is the good part, all Trump needs to do to soundly beat this lawsuit is adopt the contract. If his lawyer had Trump’s authority to execute the agreement, then all Trump has to do is acknowledge and adopt the contract, and it is 100% binding.

Stormy Daniels’ lawyer knows this. But they also know that politically Trump cannot acknowledge or adopt this contract. This is win-win-win for them. Either (1) Trump refuses to adopt the contract, in which case she gets out of it and gets to sell her story to the networks, (2) Trump adopts the contract, and that in itself is a news story, or (3) she gets more money from Trump to drop the suit.

Edit: A few people are correctly pointing out that another issue for Trump is that asserting the contract was for his benefit may also have implications for an FEC violation.

Now, I know……..it’s Reddit. But if any of our lawyerly types can post an opinion, it’d be greatly appreciated.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:31:07pm

Headline writers.

This is a particularly gloomy take on the primary voting in Texas:

Texas primary results leave Democrats in limbo

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:43:49pm

re: #23 freetoken

It’s a wrap-up article that serves that purpose. That headline tho. There’s enough limbo to go around.

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NoSoapForYou  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:53:29pm

re: #3 JordanRules

Child-bearing hips.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 10:54:47pm
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sauceruney  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:05:26pm

re: #3 JordanRules

Another view of that horrid suit.

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Which makes me think of how much Inception was more about the value of having a good suit, than it was about anything else.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:07:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:11:36pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:17:10pm

re: #29 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh no. GTFOH with this bullshit dude.

Your move Women’s March org. SMDH
Your statement today could have preemptively countered this, but you shit the bed. Welp.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:20:17pm
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sauceruney  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:20:47pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

If there is one good thing about the Trump Presidency, it’s that it has done an outstanding job of motivating people in this country to become politically active and get involved.

With any luck, this surge may mean we never get stuck with someone like Trump ever again.

It’s also shown how the rule of law is meaningless as long as people like Paul Ryan and Mitchel McConnell continue to ignore those laws to the benefit of their own party. There should be clear cut means to immediately remove people from office for the behavior they’ve exhibited, as well as unpardonable jail time. Trump was never qualified to be sworn into office. They chose to ignore the details and every other disqualifier afterwards.

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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:25:57pm
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Single-handed sailor  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:29:32pm

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

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George Takei Oh My

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sagehen  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:39:54pm
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JordanRules  Mar 6, 2018 • 11:41:08pm

re: #32 sauceruney

We’ve been given a very vivid reminder of how to assert and ignore checks and balances in favor of continuing to empower the worst parts of our history.

Trump was never qualified to be sworn into office.

QFT

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:20:24am
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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:44:15am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:47:41am

The New Yorker has a fascinating read about one of my least favorite insects, the brown marmorated stinkbug. But I’ve only had to deal with having one or two in my apartment at any one time. Some people in the States have discovered them by the thousands in their homes when it gets cold outside.

And they are spreading west and south from their original immigration point, which more than likely New York Harbor.

Slightly less noxious but vastly more pervasive, the smell of the brown marmorated stinkbug is often likened to that of cilantro, chiefly because the same chemical is present in both. In reality, stinkbugs smell like cilantro only in the way that rancid cilantro-mutton stew smells like cilantro, which is to say, they do not. Pam Stone compared their actual smell to the ammonia-and-sulfur stench that suffuses the air outside paper mills. Others have likened it to everything from rotten fruit to filthy socks. A for effort. In fact, the smell produced by a stinkbug is dusty, fetid, lingering, and analogy-proof. A stinkbug smells, unhappily for us all, like a stinkbug.

Along with cheap yoga pants, mass layoffs, and the recent surge in nationalism, the brown marmorated stinkbug is a product of globalization. It is native to East Asia—mainly China, Taiwan, Japan, and North and South Korea—where, kept in check by various natural predators, it has coexisted with the rest of nature in relative tranquillity for millions of years. But then, on September 21, 1998, a gentleman from Allentown, Pennsylvania, deposited several specimens of a mystery insect in the office of Karen Bernhard, an entomologist who works at Pennsylvania State University’s Extension Service.

Bernhard could not immediately identify the specimens, which was not in itself surprising. In both number and variety, insects dwarf all other animals; worldwide, there are some nine hundred thousand known species, while between two million and thirty million more have yet to be catalogued. (By comparison, there are just over five thousand species of mammal.) Since the United States boasts ninety-one thousand of those named insect species, some of them quite rare, plus almost as many unknown ones, it isn’t that unusual to come across a stumper. Eagle-eyed 4-H’ers have been known to go bug collecting and come home with an insect that no one in the county has seen before.

It is unusual, however, to find an insect that no one in the country has seen before. At first, when Bernhard sent her specimens off for identification, she was told that they were a native stinkbug, Euschistus servus, but something seemed off. Although those bugs do sometimes make their way indoors, they are not normally household pests, yet all the people calling Bernhard were asking about insects they had found in their homes. In the fall of 2001, armed with a new batch of identical specimens, she contacted Richard Hoebeke, an entomologist specializing in invasive species, who was then at Cornell and is now at the University of Georgia. Within weeks, Hoebeke had determined that the specimens were brown marmorated stinkbugs, the first ever identified in the Western Hemisphere.

Not long afterward, Hoebeke travelled to Pennsylvania to see the new species in situ. “It’s kind of burned into my memory,” he said. Hoebeke had seen plenty of stinkbugs in his time, but never in such quantities. “They were flying everywhere—in the air, around people’s window screens, everywhere. I had my windows open, and so many were getting in my car that I had to be really careful that I wasn’t going to transport them back with me. I was utterly amazed at the numbers.” By their sheer quantity, it was clear to him that brown marmorated stinkbugs had been in the area longer than scientists knew. Together with some colleagues, he began scouring records like those kept by Bernhard and eventually determined that the first verifiable specimen appeared in Allentown in 1996, most likely via a shipping pallet from China.

newyorker.com

Worse than their tendency to shelter inside during the winter, stinkbugs also will eat just about anything — trees, flowers, crops — during spring, summer and fall. As an invasive species, there are no natural predators here to control them. They seem resistant to most insecticides. And global warming only makes them more active and prolific.

I hope none of you suffer from stinkbug infestations. One or two bugs at a time was enough for me.

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:57:40am
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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 1:04:53am

Maya was so good on that segment that she just so happened to share with him. The difference between CNN and MSNBC was pretty stark here IMO.

Her grace was a gift that I hope someone benefits from.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 1:51:58am

UK to Roll Out Pilot Voter ID Programme (goes to the BBC)

The government in the UK is rolling out a “pilot” programme to require photo ID in five locations for the upcoming election.

Conservatives there are making the same arguments they do here: It is to protect the integrity of the vote.

A vast coalition of orgnaisations are calling on the government to scrap the plan, noting it will marginalise those least likely to have ID (minorities, the poor, &c)

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:08:54am

There’s a thread. Doesn’t do much question answering. Just makes me sick to my stomach really.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:08:55am

New Mexico Republicans Want a Catholic Church Official Punished for Calling Them Racists (Goes to Raw Story)

GOP, as always big on freedom of speech and religion.

Ya know, maybe if you don’t want to be called racists, you shouldn’t be the party of Rep. Steve King and David Duke, just a thought. And spelling is fundamental if you’re going to write a letter, just sayin’. (more at the link):

A group of Republican lawmakers want a Catholic Church official reprimanded for calling them racist for their opposition to funding programs for poor children.

Allen Sanchez, executive director of the New Mexico Conference of Catholic Bishops, took part Feb. 14 in a candlelight vigil outside the state Capitol in support of a proposed constitutional amendment to increase funding for early childhood programs, reported the Santa Fe New Mexican.

“We feel there’s an element of racism here,” Sanchez said at the demonstration. “If you look at the footage of the hearings around this proposal, the opposition came from people with power and wealth. They don’t understand what is going on in our communities with poverty.”

The Catholic Church officially backed the proposed measure, but a group of 33 GOP lawmakers sent a letter of complaint asking for action against Sanchez, the newspaper reported.

“The political debate is divisive enough in this country and this state without unwarranted accusations of racism being thrown about without evidence,” said the letter addressed to Santa Fe Archbishop John Wester. “The fact that this accusation was levied [sic] by a representative of the Catholic Church only makes it more troubling.”

“As leader of the Archdiocese of Santa Fe do you condone this type of political debate?” lawmakers asked Wester. “Are you comfortable with the Catholic Church being represented in this manner? Does the Church wish to set the example that the political ends justify the rhetorical means?”

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:15:24am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

New Mexico Republicans Want a Catholic Church Official Punished for Calling Them Racists (Goes to Raw Story)

GOP, as always big on freedom of speech and religion.

Ya know, maybe if you don’t want to be called racists, you shouldn’t be the party of Rep. Steve King and David Duke, just a thought. And spelling is fundamental if you’re going to write a letter, just sayin’. (more at the link):

wwwwwait…. aren”t these the exact same people who’ve been fear-mongering that liberals will accuse their pastors of hate speech for their views on same-sex marriage?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:23:15am

re: #45 sagehen

wwwwwait…. aren”t these the exact same people who’ve been fear-mongering that liberals will accuse their pastors being accused of hate speech for their views on same-sex marriage?

They’re also the same folks who want the Johnson Amendment repealed so pastors can talk about politics directly to their parishioners.

As long as they’re the “right” pastors, of course.

In the meantime, Paul Ryan had the Capitol Police drag out a group of Muslim women at his office calling him out to stop Trump from sabotaging DACA. Because Republican politicians only represent Republicans. (At least my representative is honest enough to say it out loud.)

Included in the bunch was Linda Sarsour.

Redress of grievances against the government, another right that conservatism has never supported in this country. I will dance a little jig of sorrow if Paul Ryan’s career is ended by Randy Bryce.

rawstory.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:27:20am

Randy Bryce was also arrested at Paul Ryan’s office in the DACA protest.
teenvogue.com

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:31:15am

re: #43 JordanRules

There’s a thread. Doesn’t do much question answering. Just makes me sick to my stomach really.

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I couldn’t sleep—woke up around 2—turned on the TV. That didn’t help much. Clicked on some tweets and came across that thread. Then I definitely couldn’t sleep. So sad.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:31:27am

Need more bombs! Seed each school with claymore mines and give each teachers a trigger. Grenades might be handy as well.
Guess we should be thankful there is no National Bomb Association.

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:34:12am

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

Dang, I was hoping Teen Vogue would at least mention that his main primary challenger Cathy Myers also got arrested.

He still hasn’t agreed to debate her yet. SMH

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 3:39:34am

re: #50 JordanRules

Dang, I was hoping Teen Vogue would at least mention that his main primary challenger Cathy Myers also got arrested.

He still hasn’t agreed to debate her yet. SMH

Hmm. I wouln’t know how to contact them to give them the information. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal mentions both:

jsonline.com

About 20 people were arrested Monday, including congressional candidates Randy Bryce and Cathy Myers, during a demonstration in Racine demanding protection for people brought to the U.S. illegally as children.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:04:02am
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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:11:53am

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

Her calling his piece mediocre will sustain me for at least 3 days.
And she just slipped it in amongst an avalanche of unpetty and necessary criticism.
Brrrrava!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:19:56am

Does Russia Have Leverage Over Trump?
An interview with Diana Pilipenko on Moscow’s potential kompromat.

Pilipenko thinks it is financial, having to do with Trump’s need for “alternate financing” in some of his ventures. This fits well with the consistent effort by GOP members of the House Intelligence Committee to obstruct Democratic members’ attempts to get records from Deutsche Bank.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:34:00am
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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:35:36am

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Does Russia Have Leverage Over Trump?
An interview with Diana Pilipenko on Moscow’s potential kompromat.

Pilipenko thinks it is financial, having to do with Trump’s need for “alternate financing” in some of his ventures. This fits well with the consistent effort by GOP members of the House Intelligence Committee to obstruct Democratic members’ attempts to get records from Deutsche Bank.

I’m convinced that that is the center of this all, his finances and the misrepresentation of his “wealth.” That he is so overleveraged that if the Russians or their intermediaries ever called in his debts, his little “empire” would crumble and he’d be out on his ass. I’d even argue there’s a psychological element to it, that he’s afraid of looking like a failure and so is desperate to keep the illusion of wealth surrounding him until he dies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:37:46am

re: #56 Targetpractice

After which, assuming they are not in jail, his heirs can slug it out in court and spend the rest trying to fight each other for what remains.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:39:46am

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹

After which, assuming they are not in jail, his heirs can slug it out in court and spend the rest trying to fight each other for what remains.

And who (ultimately) gets stuck with dealing with the Old Man’s mountain of debt. Hence the effort to “one-up” each other in Daddy’s eyes, so they might be the beneficiary of what little wealth he can pass on while the “unfavorite” is left dealing with the banks and loan sharks until their dying days.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:39:55am

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹

After which, assuming they are not in jail, his heirs can slug it out in court and spend the rest trying to fight each other for what remains.

That would be Tiffany and Barron.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:41:51am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

Asian lady beetle comes to mind, those little bastards!!

Last week’s warm weather has awakened the pesky boxelder beetles, the Asian lady beetle and the brown marmorated stink bug.

The creepy crawlers are coming out of hibernation and seeking the warmest spot in the house — or exterior of your home and car — in which to gather.

knoxnews.com

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Archangelus  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:44:53am

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

It’s still up… xD


I love how whoever did this added quotation marks to the “journalist” part…
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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:45:55am

re: #61 Archangelus

Nice. I appreciate the details.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:46:18am

re: #56 Targetpractice

I’m convinced that that is the center of this all, his finances and the misrepresentation of his “wealth.” That he is so overleveraged that if the Russians or their intermediaries ever called in his debts, his little “empire” would crumble and he’d be out on his ass. I’d even argue there’s a psychological element to it, that he’s afraid of looking like a failure and so is desperate to keep the illusion of wealth surrounding him until he dies.

Yep. The “pee tape” stuff was just a distraction from the beginning. I can’t imagine anything in Moscow could be worse than the affairs and hush payments we already know about.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:52:47am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:57:19am
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darthstar  Mar 7, 2018 • 4:57:42am

re: #61 Archangelus

It’s still up… xD

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I love how whoever did this added quotation marks to the “journalist” part…

Had to look it up…wow…she skewered him.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:02:07am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:08:39am

Breakfast time: my wife made paella for breakfast.

Not quite what I had in Spain, but very good.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:11:27am

re: #2 JordanRules

The sexual relations are quite besides the point here (to me). He can seemingly do whatever he wants because he thinks he can buy people off and bully his way into a preferred outcome.

His supporters include the religious right, who are the fucking hypocrites who talk about family values all while Trump was cheating on his 3d wife with multiple women, including porn stars (just months after Barron was born). The womanizing sex predator is the family values candidate.

That’s not surprising given that child molesting Roy Moore was also a family values candidate, which makes one wonder what family values these fuckers are all about.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:15:05am

I am convinced that corrupt Russian influence is pervasive throughout right wing America and extends down to the state and local level. Russian support for the crackpot Texas secession “movement” is proven and just happened to coincide with a massive upsurge in local GOP support for the idea. Just coincidence I’m sure. Certain televangelists are almost embarrassing in their sycophantic support of Putin and the Moscow party line. Russians own the conspiracy industry. The Trump campaign’s collusion with Russian interests is just part of a much larger patter of subversion, one that pre-dates Trump’s candidacy by several years. It is the most important part, to be sure, but I don’t want us to lose sight of the forest just because there is a big tree in the way.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:16:57am

re: #69 lawhawk

The sexual relations are quite besides the point here (to me). He can seemingly do whatever he wants because he thinks he can buy people off and bully his way into a preferred outcome.

His supporters include the religious right, who are the fucking hypocrites who talk about family values all while Trump was cheating on his 3d wife with multiple women, including porn stars (just months after Barron was born). The womanizing sex predator is the family values candidate.

That’s not surprising given that child molesting Roy Moore was also a family values candidate, which makes one wonder what family values these fuckers are all about.

The religious right never gave a crap about sexual issues when a Republican does them (Denny Hastert, Newt Gingrich, &c). It’s about gaining and maintaining power, not “family values.”

Note how much conservative religious people dragged Hillary Clinton over what her hub did, demanding she leave him, &c. (Another conservative lie: They care about divorce.)

It’s too bad I don’t believe in a hell, because Paul Weyrich would be my candidate for it.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:19:48am

re: #64 darthstar

Cohen’s broken half a dozen rules of professional conduct with his actions just regarding Daniels.

Rule 4.1 - false statements of fact to third persons.
Rule 8.4 - Misconduct:
1- engage in illegal conduct that adversely reflects on the lawyer’s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer;
2 - engage in conduct involving dishonesty,fraud,deceit or misrepresentation;
3 - engage in conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice
4 - engage in any other conduct that adversely reflects on the lawyer’s fitness as a lawyer

That’s just off the top of my head. Any of those is an offense that can result in getting disbarred. That it may also be a bribe raises the stakes for him.

That it could be a campaign finance violation raises the stakes for him and Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:22:43am

re: #72 lawhawk

Cohen might be in trouble, but for Trump, it would require conservatives be willing to give up power in exchange for the rule of law.

Giving up power is not a tenet of conservatism, it never has been.

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jeffreyw  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:25:43am

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Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:28:51am

re: #74 jeffreyw

Since the birds ate the cat yesterday, they can get back to the feeder now.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:30:15am

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹

Cohen might be in trouble, but for Trump, it would require conservatives be willing to give up power in exchange for the rule of law.

Giving up power is not a tenet of conservatism, it never has been.

I expect them to stay to script: “This is troubling and we’re concerned, but we must allow for the investigation to finish before we take any action.”

Why? Because they expect any investigations that don’t drag out past November to be spun as “politically motivated.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:33:26am

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I am convinced that corrupt Russian influence is pervasive throughout right wing America and extends down to the state and local level.

and jet fuel can’t melt steel.

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:44:30am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:47:03am

re: #78 JordanRules

For an expert mercenary, Erik Prince seems to crack very easily under interrogation.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:47:32am

Good Cold Morning!

A small victory for mankind and a defeat for White Nationalists.

Richard Spencer’s lawyer announced they are dropping the law suit against Ohio State University for not allowing him a venue to spread his BS on campus.

Yay! Hopefully that sets a bit of precedent for other colleges, etc. to put up the same fight. Sadly, they appear to want to keep fighting to speak at the University of Cincinnati. Hopefully UC keeps fighting and wins their too.

White Nationalists Off Earth Now! (Hat tip to The Cowboy Junkies)

OSU Student Paper The Lantern - White supremacist Richard Spencer to drop lawsuit against Ohio State

Lawyers representing white supremacist Richard Spencer have dropped a lawsuit filed against Ohio State for denying multiple requests to use campus space for a speaking event.

According to the Associated Press, Spencer’s new attorney — his previous attorney Kyle Bristow resigned last week amid surfacing of his insensitive comments about transgender people — plans to drop the suit against Ohio State.

Bristow filed the lawsuit against Ohio State on Oct. 22 for Cameron Padgett, a Georgia State University student who made the requests for Spencer to speak on campus.

Spencer, who has been touring college campuses this year for hosting racist speaking events, was denied three times from speaking at Ohio State.

The university denied the requests to allot Spencer space on the grounds of its University Space Rules, according to court documents.

Ohio State asserted the “use of University property must not, in any form, disrupt University business,” and “the University may limit access to or use of its space as may be necessary to provide for the orderly conduct of the University’s teaching, research, and service missions, the University’s administrative functions, and students’ campus-life activities.”

Additionally, the university stated in the court document that allowing Spencer to speak on campus could pose a “substantial risk to public safety, as well as material and substantial disruption to the work and discipline of the University.”

The university said the concerns are rooted in objective evidence stemming from previous speaking events Spencer has participated in, such as the white supremacist rally “Unite the Right,” which took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August and left a counter protester dead.

Additionally, the document lists the myriad resources required for the University of Florida to host Spencer in October, including a governor-declared state of emergency, 800 armed law enforcement officers on campus, and a security price tag of over $500,000.

Padgett, who has also sought to have Spencer speak at multiple educational institutions, was quoted in the Miami Herald as saying “I don’t want to get killed on campus” as the reason he has not invited Spencer to his own campus, a fact highlighted in a court document Ohio State filed in December in response to the suit.

Kolenich told the AP that litigation will continue against the University of Cincinnati to allow Spencer to speak on campus.

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:47:33am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:52:30am

Heh

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:52:46am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:53:59am

re: #77 Shropshire Slasher

and jet fuel can’t melt steel.

Ah yes, a strawman frequently repeated by Russian conspiracy media and their American, uh, counterparts.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:55:44am
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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:55:53am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:55:59am

Still waiting for Pulpit Pimp Franky Graham Cracker to chime in on the Stormy thing…I just don’t understand why Franky is sooooooooooo silent on this…

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:57:39am

re: #61 Archangelus

It’s still there.

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 5:58:53am

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I think our kooks built that one and *then* you have the Kremlin op running with it because it’s apparently viable.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:01:48am

re: #89 JordanRules

I think our kooks built that one and *then* you have the Kremlin op running with it because it’s apparently viable.

Certainly. The Russian op didn’t really get untracked until the Obama administration.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:03:09am

re: #87 Joe Bacon 🌹

Still waiting for Pulpit Pimp Franky Graham Cracker to chime in on the Stormy thing…I just don’t understand why Franky is sooooooooooo silent on this…

Makes you wonder if Frankie likes the porn stars too.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:05:08am

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Certainly. The Russian op didn’t really get untracked until the Obama administration.

Putin I think was only around for a short amount of Bill Clinton’s presidency and I think still building his legitimacy.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:05:10am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

They’re all like the bible thumpers in the movie “porky’s 2” - preaching fire and brimstone, but all secretly watching stag films in the basement.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:05:29am

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Ah yes, a strawman frequently repeated by Russian conspiracy media and their American, uh, counterparts.

Вы меня нашли, товарищ

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:05:59am

re: #86 JordanRules

Trump is forgiven; many Christians have said so. Therefore no, he is a True Christian (tm)

Shameless page promotion off-site:
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Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton are “no true Christians” because they are not the “right” Christians. GHW Bush, GW Bush, and Donald Trump are “true Christians.”

So no true Christian would deny Trump, because Trump is forgiven. Certain Christian pastors said it, conservative voters believe it, that settles it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:06:07am

re: #89 JordanRules

I think our kooks built that one and *then* you have the Kremlin op running with it because it’s apparently viable.

I lost count how many right wing hacks mostly in the religious right praised Putin while berating Obama.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:06:15am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:06:16am

Interesting map confirming what many of us already know.

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mmmirele  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:07:07am

The evil too big to fail bank (Wells Fargo) just sent an internal memo from Tim Sloan to employees, basically saying that we are not going to do anything about guns, because this is something the legislatures should handle. Oh and some of our clients are gun shops, manufacturers, etc.

I’m tempted to shoot back an email to Sloan pointing out that Republican-dominated legislatures are bought and paid-for subsidiaries of the NRA, but I like my job. I would like this news to get out somehow.

Oh, and this from Bloomberg, which probably provoked today’s memo:

Wells Fargo Is the Go-To Bank for Gunmakers and the NRA

bloomberg.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:08:20am

re: #93 lawhawk

They’re all like the bible thumpers in the movie “porky’s 2” - preaching fire and brimstone, but all secretly watching stag films in the basement.

Yep.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:08:37am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

Вы меня нашли, товарищ

Work of moose and squirrel.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:09:07am

Right wing domestic terrorists who have gotten emboldened thanks to the bigot in chief in the White House.

Trump’s silence is assent for these groups to continue spreading their hate and engaging in violence.

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:09:32am

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Interestingly enough, I’m a super long con believer. But I’m willing to step back from that if 2013 sticks as the real go time.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:10:13am

I think Putin is into dividing the West. He seems to like secessionist movements, anti immigrant, anti EU, anti trade.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:11:10am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

It’s a long con - divide and conquer.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:11:33am

re: #103 JordanRules

Interestingly enough, I’m a super long con believer. But I’m willing to step back from that if 2013 sticks as the real go time.

2013 may work. Far be for me to praise Romney or McCain but as GOP nominees, they did not sing Putin’s praises.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:12:11am

re: #105 lawhawk

It’s a long con - divide and conquer.

Yep find division within society and exploit it. It’s sad seeing people fall for it in real time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:15:09am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I lost count how many right wing hacks mostly in the religious right praised Putin while berating Obama.

Putin is a True Christian (tm). With his anti-gay laws and quasi-state religion, he’s forgiven.

Barack Obama worked to extend equal rights to disfavoured groups like the LGBT. Therefore he is not a True Christian (tm). (Addressed in my apologetics fail above, with the Episcopal Church and Metropolitan Community Church on the “outs” for promoting “unscriptural” positions. Jesus in the New Testament said bupkis about LGBT people.)

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:15:34am

re: #1 JordanRules

Lordy he better keep it real in that book.

I’m sure the Yam will be busy presidenting and won’t tweet rage that whole week.

///

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:16:40am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

2013 is based on Mueller investigation info so far and I think it only touches Page right now.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:17:52am

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

Putin is a True Christian (tm). With his anti-gay laws and quasi-state religion, he’s forgiven.

Barack Obama worked to extend equal rights to disfavoured groups like the LGBT. Therefore he is not a True Christian (tm). (Addressed in my apologetics fail above, with the Episcopal Church and Metropolitan Community Church on the “outs” for promoting “unscriptural” positions. Jesus in the New Testament said bupkis about LGBT people.)

Yep. Obama becomes the first strong advocate for LGBT peoples and Putin portrays himself as an opponent of that, and the RR ate it up.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:18:24am

When I say first strong advocate I mean as POTUS

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:18:46am

re: #110 JordanRules

2013 is based on Mueller investigation info so far and I think it only touches Page right now.

Ah ok

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:19:44am

re: #87 Joe Bacon 🌹

Still waiting for Pulpit Pimp Franky Graham Cracker to chime in on the Stormy thing…I just don’t understand why Franky is sooooooooooo silent on this…

“Trump is forgiven…it’s fake news…whataboutbillclintonandhillary…”

/

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:24:49am

re: #98 wheat-dogg

Interesting map confirming what many of us already know.

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“Islands of blue in a sea of red” was always bullshit. In most of “Trump country,” the wildlife outnumber the humans.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:27:18am

re: #115 Targetpractice

“Islands of blue in a sea of red” was always bullshit. In most of “Trump country,” the wildlife outnumber the humans.

Lots of white space on that map, too. Animals can’t vote.

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ckkatz  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:28:53am

re: #9 freetoken

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Video

Thanks for posting! You got me curious about the song and the context, so I did a little googling about the song and singer.

The song is translated by Google as Night Incense by the Japanese singer Yamaguchi Suzuko.

From what I could find, her family were Japanese settlers in Japanese occupied China. Her story is an interesting thread about managing a period of racism (Japanese against Chinese, later Chinese against Japanese, as well as Western against Asian), war, revolution and economic distress.

Fluent in both Japanese and Mandarin, so she also went by the Chinese stage name of Li Xianglan. After World War 2 she acted in Hollywood and Broadway as Shirley Yamaguchi.

en.wikipedia.org

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:29:59am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:32:01am

re: #118 JordanRules

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Crooks of a feather, Bibi.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:32:46am

World keeps getting weirder, man…

Principal photography is now underway in Alabama on the thriller “Moose,” starring John Travolta with Limp Bizkit frontman Fred Durst directing for Ambi Media Group.

Based on events from Durst’s own life, “Moose” was written by Durst with Dave Bekerman. Travolta is playing the title character, a rabid movie fan obsessed with his favorite celebrity action hero, portrayed by Devon Sawa. As Moose’s obsession grows stronger, his fixation turns from stalking to ambition of destroying the star’s life — a story inspired by a real-life fan who stalked Durst many years ago.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:34:19am

Your morning EWWW:

Yes, Those Are Probably Bugs In Your Paprika. Here’s What To Do. (Goes to Huffington Post)

Tobacco beetles and drugstore beetles just lurve themselves spices made from pepper varieties (which includes paprika, but also cayenne, red pepper flakes, &c).

HP interviewed a woman from the University of Nebraska at Lincoln who is a bit too excited about bugs in spices, how they get there (usually from inside your home, and the beetles in question can chew through sheet steel to get to the spices), and how to store them to avoid infestation. (Hint #1: Don’t buy in bulk, Hint #2: Put your spices in the freezer for four days at 0F or below).

With video of moving paprika, caused by said beetles. (The beetles are very tiny.)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:35:24am

re: #120 makeitstop

World keeps getting weirder, man…

Don’t laugh but I saw a movie Durst directed called the Education of Charlie Banks, it wasn’t so bad. Maybe Durst can direct.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:37:23am

re: #98 wheat-dogg

Interesting map confirming what many of us already know.

Hey, I can see the blue dot on US-26 in Nebraska that represents my town with the eight Hillary Clinton voters. Wow, this map is fairly fine-grained. (Nebraska has lots of red dots, but there are blue dots spread all over the rural parts of the state, not just concentrated in our largest cities.)

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:38:17am

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

Hey, I can see the blue dot on US-26 in Nebraska that represents my town with the eight Hillary Clinton voters. Wow, this map is fairly fine-grained. (Nebraska has lots of red dots, but there are blue dots spread all over the rural parts of the state, not just concentrated in our largest cities.)

One dot = one vote. Can’t get much finer than that, I reckon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:39:23am
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lizardofid  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:39:52am

re: #124 wheat-dogg

One dot = one vote. Can’t get much finer than that, I reckon.

Frog hair?

Oh, good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:40:14am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, he promised to build a wall.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:41:29am

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

Hey, I can see the blue dot on US-26 in Nebraska that represents my town with the eight Hillary Clinton voters. Wow, this map is fairly fine-grained. (Nebraska has lots of red dots, but there are blue dots spread all over the rural parts of the state, not just concentrated in our largest cities.)

Someone put a stat up a few weeks ago that said that no area in the country has less than 25% Democratic voters, but conservatives have abandoned urban areas to the point where their representation in some places is less than 10%.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:42:37am

re: #41 JordanRules

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Maya was so good on that segment that she just so happened to share with him. The difference between CNN and MSNBC was pretty stark here IMO.

Her grace was a gift that I hope someone benefits from.

I bolded your most important point. That is why I like MSNBC. They do seem to try to keep things real as best they can in this crazy media landscape. To me they seem to be more about the truth as painful as it can be, than ratings.

And I really like Ari Melber’s The Beat at 6 PM. He keeps people on the topic and he has that lawyerly way of getting his guest to stay on point and answer the questions asked.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:43:01am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

As my mother and father used to say, (both from the Depression Era) extra protein.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:43:30am

Australia’s first same sex marriage (permission granted under extraordinary circumstances because one of the women was dying), has ended after forty-eight days due to the woman’s death.

It was announced in the Queensland parliament after the family gave permission.

huffingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:44:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:46:00am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:46:47am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

Insect larvae are the reason the treating spices with radiation is really the best remediation. Low doses kill the larvae and render insects infertile. But, we’re a country of morons who are terrified of the word “radiation,” so the only spices that are irradiated are those that go into processed foods.

Take a look at many spice bottles and you notice the nice little rejoinder “Not Treated with Radiation” which is just advertising because the law stipulates that all irradiated food must bear a label stating that it has “been treated with radiation” or “irradiated.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:47:07am

the responses are fun.

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:50:21am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

2013 may work. Far be for me to praise Romney or McCain but as GOP nominees, they did not sing Putin’s praises.

Romney criticized Putin so pointedly that Dems thought he’d gone a little overboard.

Which is why Putin quashed the idea of Romney being Secretary of State; why they approved Tillerson.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:50:37am

re: #134 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Insect larvae are the reason the treating spices with radiation is really the best remediation. Low doses kill the larvae and render insects infertile. But, we’re a country of morons who are terrified of the word “radiation,” so the only spices that are irradiated are those that go into processed foods.

Take a look at many spice bottles and you notice the nice little rejoinder “Not Treated with Radiation” which is just advertising because the law stipulates that all irradiated food must bear a label stating that it has “been treated with radiation” or “irradiated.”

Makes me wonder if China irradiates spices. They already sell the ultra-pasteurized milk that needs no refrigeration. I would not be surprised if the pepper was too.

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lizardofid  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:52:53am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I like Ike Beto!

: )

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:53:11am

eejit

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:53:23am

re: #69 lawhawk

was born). The womanizing sex predator is the family values candidate.

That’s not surprising given that child molesting Roy Moore was also a family values candidate, which makes one wonder what family values these fuckers are all about.

The value of treating female family members like chattel.

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:55:20am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Yep. Obama becomes the first strong advocate for LGBT peoples and Putin portrays himself as an opponent of that, and the RR ate it up.

oh, he wasn’t first at all.

Jimmy Carter is pretty inclusive — of gays, blacks, hispanics, muslims, women, immigrants, the poor…

A lifelong veryvery Christian, taught Sunday School for 60 years; finally had to switch churches when the Elmer Gantrys got too publicly powerful. He’s everything Christians who take their scripture seriously should aspire to; too bad his foreign policy was hit and miss, and his understanding of economics (and his understanding of Washington power structures) was so inadequate.

But I’d never doubt his True Christian-ness. Not for a second.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:56:52am

yuck

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:57:57am

re: #67 bill d. (b.d.)

Schooley ✔
@Rschooley
There is no chaos, only great energy.

9:37 AM - Mar 6, 2018

That Doggo looks entirely too satisfied with his work. Heh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:58:34am

re: #143 ObserverArt

That Doggo looks entirely too satisfied with his work. Heh.

that’s because he just handed in his resignation

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 6:59:17am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:00:05am
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:00:09am

re: #136 sagehen

Romney criticized Putin so pointedly that Dems thought he’d gone a little overboard.

Which is why Putin quashed the idea of Romney being Secretary of State; why they approved Tillerson.

Romney deserves credit for calling out the Russians. It doesn’t nearly offset all of his other objectionable beliefs and qualities, tho….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:01:52am

re: #141 sagehen

oh, he wasn’t first at all.

Jimmy Carter is pretty inclusive — of gays, blacks, hispanics, muslims, women, immigrants, the poor…

A lifelong veryvery Christian, taught Sunday School for 60 years; finally had to switch churches when the Elmer Gantrys got too publicly powerful. He’s everything Christians who take their scripture seriously should aspire to; too bad his foreign policy was hit and miss, and his understanding of economics (and his understanding of Washington power structures) was so inadequate.

But I’d never doubt his True Christian-ness. Not for a second.

Did Carter advocate for any legislation effecting LGBT people as President? But fair enough. I have great regard for Carter as a man and Christian.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:03:45am

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

eejit

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He’s an ass. Turns the question into his Dad’s story and attacks on O’Rourke for being a liberal. “We had some fun with it.” Uh no, you’re aware of how Anti-Hispanic sentiment is big in your party’s base and you reminded them that your opponent has a Hispanic nickname. Going to look forward to seeing you lose in November, Ted. Here’s another Simpsons story for you, Lisa exposed Sideshow Bob which must break your little heart every day.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:04:01am

My local Fox affiliate is having a lot of fun with today’s weather. They’ve decked the station with Christmas decorations and playing holiday music in appreciation of the winter wonderland.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:04:33am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Did Carter advocate for any legislation effecting LGBT people as President? But fair enough. I have great regard for Carter as a man and Christian.

What may matter more is what Carter was able to accomplish when he was in office. Even his most ardent admirers would be hard put to place him in the top echelon of presidents. But when it comes to gay rights, Carter deserves a fair amount of credit. He was really the first president to take positive (and concrete) steps to acknowledge the importance of gay rights.

During his administration, the Foreign Service lifted its ban on gay and lesbian personnel and the Internal Revenue Service lifted its requirement that any LGBT nonprofit state that homosexuality was “a diseased pathology.”

His administration was also the first to invite gay activists to the White House, at the height of the Anita Bryant fear-mongering. The move was controversial and ultimately contributed to Midge Constanza, the official who issued the invitation, deciding to step down. But Carter didn’t quash the meeting either, which would have been the politically easy thing to do.

(more)

queerty.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:05:40am
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:05:54am

Well, of course that’ll happen.

It’s much less clear whether they’ll succeed in their suit.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:07:38am

re: #93 lawhawk

They’re all like the bible thumpers in the movie “porky’s 2” - preaching fire and brimstone, but all secretly watching stag films in the basement.

Watching…or acting them out?

Bakker. Swaggert. Haggard…many others.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:07:54am

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

(more)

queerty.com

I stand corrected. Thanks. He definitely deserves great credit on this. Makes me proud of my Dad that this was his first vote and I know yours too AM.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:09:10am

re: #153 lawhawk

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Well, of course that’ll happen.

It’s much less clear whether they’ll succeed in their suit.

Conservatives are going to be in a bind over this. They think bakeries can deny LGBT people services but they’re going to cheer this on. Honestly, I think Dicks should have just decided to refuse to sell guns anymore period to make this easier to litigate.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:11:04am

re: #99 mmmirele

The evil too big to fail bank (Wells Fargo) just sent an internal memo from Tim Sloan to employees, basically saying that we are not going to do anything about guns, because this is something the legislatures should handle. Oh and some of our clients are gun shops, manufacturers, etc.

I’m tempted to shoot back an email to Sloan pointing out that Republican-dominated legislatures are bought and paid-for subsidiaries of the NRA, but I like my job. I would like this news to get out somehow.

Oh, and this from Bloomberg, which probably provoked today’s memo:

bloomberg.com

Well…the bank does go back to the ol’ west stagecoach days. And they needed those guns to fight off the hordes of robbers…so…

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:11:39am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Did Carter advocate for any legislation effecting LGBT people as President? But fair enough. I have great regard for Carter as a man and Christian.

from wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org

Carter was the first president to address the topic of gay rights. He opposed the Briggs Initiative, a California ballot measure that would have banned gays and supporters of gay rights from being public school teachers. His administration was the first to meet with a group of gay rights activists. He has stated that he “opposes all forms of discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and believes there should be equal protection under the law for people who differ in sexual orientation”.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:12:03am

re: #153 lawhawk

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Well, of course that’ll happen.

It’s much less clear whether they’ll succeed in their suit.

Would Dick’s have to sell him a gay AR-15?

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:12:16am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are going to be in a bind over this. They think bakeries can deny LGBT people services but they’re going to cheer this on. Honestly, I think Dicks should have just decided to refuse to sell guns anymore period to make this easier to litigate.

They’re not going to be in a bind. They’re going to declare that one’s a “right” (buying a semi-auto rifle) and the other’s a “privilege” (buying a wedding cake). And then go further by saying in the latter case, the gay couple is actually infringing on the owner’s “right” by demanding they violate their “deeply held religious beliefs.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:12:27am

still a moron

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:13:20am

re: #158 sagehen

from wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org

Thanks and I saw also through AM that he got a ban lifted on LGBT individuals serving in the foreign service which was huge considering the Pink Scare of just 20 years prior to his presidency. So I stand corrected and I thank you both for setting the record straight with me. Not surprisingly both Carter and Obama are loathed by the RR.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:13:37am

re: #160 Targetpractice

They’re not going to be in a bind. They’re going to declare that one’s a “right” (buying a semi-auto rifle) and the other’s a “privilege” (buying a wedding cake). And then go further by saying in the latter case, the gay couple is actually infringing on the owner’s “right” by demanding they violate their “deeply held religious beliefs.”

True that.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:14:12am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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Wait a sec, Donny, I think you might want to reword that. If China’s running a deficit with us, then that means we have a trade surplus with them. Do you even grammar?!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:14:28am

re: #137 wheat-dogg

Makes me wonder if China irradiates spices. They already sell the ultra-pasteurized milk that needs no refrigeration. I would not be surprised if the pepper was too.

That’s insanely popular here; I’d say it makes up the majority of milk sales.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:14:31am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

Here in Western NC, the stinkbug invasion has become more prevalent. We have a wooded area near our screened in porch at the back of the house, meaning that each fall the parade of stinkbugs begins. And over the next few weeks, the stinkeroos will make their exodus from the crevices in our house.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:14:51am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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He has a child’s approach on trade. Someone should ask him if he’s so pro domestic manufacturing, why none of his tacky brand name shit was made here.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:15:21am

re: #164 Targetpractice

Wait a sec, Donny, I think you might want to reword that. If China’s running a deficit with us, then that means we have a trade surplus with them. Do you even grammar?!

He doesn’t understand trade just like he doesn’t understand everything else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:16:24am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:17:41am

re: #137 wheat-dogg

Makes me wonder if China irradiates spices. They already sell the ultra-pasteurized milk that needs no refrigeration. I would not be surprised if the pepper was too.

Ultra-pasteurized milk is still via heat treatment and as such, engenders less paranoia.

The food safety organization of countries in SE Asia and China and Japan have patchwork laws permitting food irradiation. They are working on getting more standards in place and are trying to determine if they can harmonize with US laws and how the US approaches the safety and suitability of food irradiation.

Bottom line is, every country (especially the disparate rules and law in the EU) has their own little peccadilloes, fears, and qualms about food irradiation. But, the WTO makes is nudging governments and their food safety laws generally towards a similar endpoint over the long term.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:18:04am

re: #98 wheat-dogg

Interesting map confirming what many of us already know.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:18:09am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

I think Putin is into dividing the West. He seems to like secessionist movements, anti immigrant, anti EU, anti trade.

Instead of divide and conquer, Putin seems to have modified it a bit and made it divide and weaken. I think he believes creating chaos in the west gives him more shade to do Putin things.

He struck big when Trump took the U.S. Presidency and The U.K. went with Brexit.

I’m sure Germany is in his sights big time.

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mmmirele  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:18:57am

And I sent a respectful email:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:19:03am
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sagehen  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:19:06am

re: #160 Targetpractice

They’re not going to be in a bind. They’re going to declare that one’s a “right” (buying a semi-auto rifle) and the other’s a “privilege” (buying a wedding cake). And then go further by saying in the latter case, the gay couple is actually infringing on the owner’s “right” by demanding they violate their “deeply held religious beliefs.”

I have a right to an attorney if I’ve been arrested; it’s such a strong right the government has to pay for it.

Is my right to a gun that strong of a right?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:20:34am

re: #172 ObserverArt

Instead of divide and conquer, Putin seems to have modified it a bit and made it divide and weaken. I think he believes creating chaos in the west gives him more shade to do Putin things.

He struck big when Trump took the U.S. Presidency and The U.K. went with Brexit.

I’m sure Germany is in his sights big time.

Germany just had their election last fall I believe. but they’re not out of the woods yet. Merkel eventually will retire and that’s going to present a big challenge. I’m no big fan of Merkel’s austerity policies but as a champion of the EU, she’s been a terrific leader.

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:21:11am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

He has a child’s approach on trade. Someone should ask him if he’s so pro domestic manufacturing, why none of his tacky brand name shit was made here.

People have asked him, many times; he shrugs, says it’s cheaper overseas, blames Congress for making it be cheaper overseas and says he “has to” maximize profits.

His acolytes, when you point this out, also shrug. Then change the subject.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:21:31am

re: #173 mmmirele

And I sent a respectful email:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:22:23am

re: #177 sagehen

People have asked him, many times; he shrugs, says it’s cheaper overseas, blames Congress for making it be cheaper overseas and says he “has to” maximize profits.

His acolytes, when you point this out, also shrug. Then change the subject.

I’d press him and suggest to him that his committment to “America First” really isn’t that strong if maxing profits is the primary motive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:23:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:23:57am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:24:32am

HRC to her credit did bring up the steel he used wasn’t American. But the MAGA bots didn’t want to hear that.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:24:38am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are going to be in a bind over this. They think bakeries can deny LGBT people services but they’re going to cheer this on. Honestly, I think Dicks should have just decided to refuse to sell guns anymore period to make this easier to litigate.

could dicks refuse to sell to him if he’s lgbt?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:24:54am

re: #166 dirkdigglerjr

Here in Western NC, the stinkbug invasion has become more prevalent. We have a wooded area near our screened in porch at the back of the house, meaning that each fall the parade of stinkbugs begins. And over the next few weeks, the stinkeroos will make their exodus from the crevices in our house.

When I’m doing my rodent work, we often get stink bugs in the live traps. Everyone else claims they are terrible. I can’t smell them at all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:25:43am

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mmmirele  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:26:18am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:29:03am

I got tired of fighting with weather.com and constantly scratching my head where the info is on the site when I am doing my engineer’s daily diary (high/low temps). So I switched to accuweather. So much easier.

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:29:18am

re: #173 mmmirele

And I sent a respectful email:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:29:24am

re: #186 mmmirele

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:29:33am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d like to see a lawmaker ask this joker why the Navy wasted billions on a trio of white elephants which have remained largely confined to the continental US because the funds don’t exist to equip them with munitions that were “new” when Carter was in the White House.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:30:40am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Did Carter advocate for any legislation effecting LGBT people as President? But fair enough. I have great regard for Carter as a man and Christian.

I think it was a bit too early for that. He won in ‘76 and America was just beginning to acknowledge that there were gays willing to “come out” and be seen and accepted. We were not far from the times when gays were treated as criminal and had to hide out underground.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:31:50am

re: #183 dangerman

could dicks refuse to sell to him if he’s lgbt?

Only if he wants two same-sex AR-15s on a wedding cake.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:32:40am

re: #191 ObserverArt

I think it was a bit too early for that. He won in ‘76 and America was just beginning to acknowledge that there were gays willing to “come out” and be seen and accepted. We were not far from the times when gays were treated as criminal and had to hide out underground.

I know. I’m not knocking him for that. Sag just said that Carter was the first President to advocate for LGBT Americans and it seems to his credit he did by opposing the Briggs initiative (banning of openly gay individuals teaching in schools) and by allowing LGBT people to serve in the foreign service. We’ve come a long way.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:34:19am

If if you’ve somehow managed to parse Trump’s latest trade tweets, it’s still meaningless bullshit because $1 billion reduction means we’d need … a couple hundred years to get even.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:36:19am

re: #153 lawhawk

Store policy, like no shirt, no shoes, no service?

I thought age discrimination was limited to old people. But, IANAL.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:37:00am

Rattlesnake pills (basically ground-up rattlesnakes put in capsules and sold as a “cancer cure” - yeah, it doesn’t work) have once again been detected with Salmonella in them… .

If the food poisoning kills you, well you didn’t die of cancer.

Snake-Based Medicine? Another Salmonella Infection Linked to Rattlesnake Pills Goes to the Website Science-Based Medicine (more at the link):

What brought the practice of ingesting rattlesnake for medicinal purposes to my attention was a recent CDC warning. The CDC report discusses a case in Kansas of a non-fatal human infection with Salmonella believed to be linked to Mexican rattlesnake pills. Using whole genome sequencing, the CDC found that the Salmonella in this case was identical to Salmonella cultured from Mexican rattlesnake pills confiscated in an earlier investigation.

This isn’t the first time that rattlesnake pills have been linked to human infection. In fact, there are several reported cases, specifically involving various non-typhoidal strains of Salmonella, but other types of bacteria have been implicated. One prior case, reported back in 2007, involved a child with an immune-compromising autoimmune condition. This case involved a child with leukemia. That particular child survived, but not all cases have had good outcomes.

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I cannot.  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:37:03am

Weird.

I got blocked for this.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:40:23am

re: #195 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Store policy, like no shirt, no shoes, no service?

I thought age discrimination was limited to old people. But, IANAL.

Age discrimination usually applies to elderly but not young (which is why there are apartment houses who refuse to rent to people with children - one I lived in when I was stationed in Jacksonville tried to eject me and my wife when my son was born), rental car companies, &c.

No shoes, shirt, &c are often health code regulations or state law.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:45:11am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

There is age ‘discrimination’ in the automotive insurance industry as well.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:49:49am

re: #191 ObserverArt

The Stonewall Riots were only seven years earlier.

Hell, the UpStairs Lounge fire was in 1973, though on that one, it seems that homophobic hatred was not the motivating factor. The tragedy in that horror was that many relatives of the deceased refused to claim the remains of the victims amongst other homophobic ugliness.

en.wikipedia.org

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:50:05am
Fearful of an impending zombie apocalypse, an agitated Illinois allegedly man stole a car, rammed the vehicle into an airport terminal, and then made his way onto the tarmac, where he boarded a vacant plane in an apparent bid to escape the undead invaders.

According to investigators, Deemie was under the influence of narcotics

I sure as hell hope he was high.
thesmokinggun.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:53:39am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:54:00am

We have enough dingbats on the GOP side of the aisle, we don’t need them on ours. (Still railing on science-based medicine here.)

A whole pile of money was shoveled at the VA to study acupuncture for treating pain in lieu of medication or other proven methods of medicine.

Rep Judy Chu (D-CA27) introduced a bill called the “Acupuncture for Our Heroes Act” to require all VA medical facilities to provide acupuncture for pain.

Rep. Chu claims “discrimination against traditional Asian methods of medicine.”

Screw that. Like the rattlesnake pills above (which are traditional Mexican medicine), we don’t call proven medicine that works “traditional medicine” or “alternative medicine.” We call it “medicine.”

I do not want to be forced by the government to use quackery paid for by tax money for my benefits.

Fortunately, since the bill was introduced by a Democrat, the GOP won’t move the bill. It was introduced last year, and still sits without action.

congress.gov (bill sponsor and text)

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:55:06am

re: #199 Shropshire Slasher

There is age ‘discrimination’ in the automotive insurance industry as well.

And life insurance. You can also discriminate against preëxisting conditions (which is why I can’t get life insurance - I have to save money to die).

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:55:29am
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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 7:59:32am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I know. I’m not knocking him for that. Sag just said that Carter was the first President to advocate for LGBT Americans and it seems to his credit he did by opposing the Briggs initiative (banning of openly gay individuals teaching in schools) and by allowing LGBT people to serve in the foreign service. We’ve come a long way.

Oh I wasn’t saying you were knocking him, just trying to put the timeline in perspective.

I’ll use myself as an example. In 1969 I had my first job (outside of painting signs and posters and windows for local businesses) at The Book Store. It was owned and operated by one of my hometown’s first recognized homosexuals (keep the use of the word in context of the times). Why was he recognized by my mid-sized city? Sometime in the early 60s he was caught up in a police round up of local gay men in one of the city parks. He was infamous.

I got the job when a good friend who worked there took another job and recommended me. My parents were a little leery of it, as they knew the reputation of the owner, but I was like “who cares.” I was pretty naive at 15 when it came to such things. What do you expect of a Catholic Schooled kid.

I found the owner to be a good guy and he never did anything untoward to me, or my friend, that lived up to his reputation. He was arty and into literature, etc. I learned a lot about the business and I did all the stocking, and much of the creative stuff like lettering and gold foil embossing invitations and napkins for big dinners, etc. I was already on my path as an artist.

It was the best education. It showed me how much of the whole “scary homosexuals” was bullshit and they were just regular people too.

Then in 1972 I went to the Columbus College of Art & Design and some of my best friends that first year were gay. Not a one ever was more than a friend and that too taught me so much.

Added in was the music of the day, David Bowie as Ziggy Stardust, Lou Reed’s “Walk on the Wild Side”, Brian Eno and Roxy Music… and that all added to the big changes going on. At art college we actually in a way celebrated their gayness and made it part of the art world.

Then came Reagan and the big push was on.

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garzooma  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:00:11am

re: #194 lawhawk

If if you’ve somehow managed to parse Trump’s latest trade tweets, it’s still meaningless bullshit because $1 billion reduction means we’d need … a couple hundred years to get even.

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Would China paying off $1B of Trump’s multibillion dollar loans to Russian mobsters count against the trade deficit? Asking for a friend.

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:02:31am

re: #205 lawhawk

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He’s still going on about this shit? Trey, honey, let it go. Page was of interest to the Bureau years before Fusion GPS even got the call from the Washington Free Beacon to look into Trump. Acting like the FBI only started looking into the man after they got a call from Christopher Steele is not only in direct opposition to objective reality, but it makes you look even more petty and whipped that you’re continuing to carry water for this administration after you announced you’re no longer under any obligation to defend it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:04:39am

re: #206 ObserverArt

Oh I wasn’t saying you were knocking him, just trying to put the timeline in perspective.

I’ll use myself as an example. In 1969 I had my first job (outside of painting signs and posters and windows for local businesses) at The Book Store. It was owned and operated by one of my hometown’s first recognized homosexuals (keep the use of the word in context of the times). Why was he recognized by my mid-sized city? Sometime in the early 60s he was caught up in a police round up of local gay men in one of the city parks. He was infamous.

I got the job when a good friend who worked there took another job and recommended me. My parents were a little leery of it, as they knew the reputation of the owner, but I was like “who cares.” I was pretty naive at 15 when it came to such things. What do you expect of a Catholic Schooled kid.

I found the owner to be a good guy and he never did anything untoward to me, or my friend, that lived up to his reputation. He was arty and into literature, etc. I learned a lot about the business and I did all the stocking, and much of the creative stuff like lettering and gold foil embossing invitations and napkins for big dinners, etc. I was already on my path as an artist.

It was the best education. It showed me how much of the whole “scary homosexuals” was bullshit and they were just regular people too.

Then in 1972 I went to the Columbus College of Art & Design and some of my best friends that first year were gay. Not a one ever was more than a friend and that too taught me so much.

Added in was the music of the day, David Bowie as Ziggy Stardust, Lou Reed’s “Walk on the Wild Side”, Brian Eno and Roxy Music… and that all added to the big changes going on. At art college we actually in a way celebrated their gayness and made it part of the art world.

Then came Reagan and the big push was on.

Yeah he was just another guy who just happened to be gay. I’ve met people like that too and it’s definitely how I got over the mild homophobia that was more common among younger teenagers when I was a kid in the early 2000’s. Thankfully, it’s different now.

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Weaselone  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:06:52am

re: #98 wheat-dogg

Interesting map confirming what many of us already know.

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Interesting. It also sort of shows why things like Massachusetts being gerrymandered for democrats isn’t actually true. There’s nothing in the state beyond a slightly reddish purple. It would be almost impossible to carve out a consistently Republican Congressional district from the state. You would need a system that allocates seats based on statewide totals.

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retired cynic  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:07:12am

re: #60 Shropshire Slasher

Asian lady beetle comes to mind, those little bastards!!

knoxnews.com

Abso-f*ckin-lutely! Our place gets so thick with box elder bugs, but mostly those Asian beetles (NOT the old fashioned sweet kind), that you have to have a bandana across your face to be safe in opening your mouth. And stink? GAH! When they were out, I took the vac with a long wand out and just vacuumed them up til they filled the bag. And then there would be more. We never had them before, and then boom, we had them by the gazillion. Our old house is probably insulated with their massed bodies in the walls. RANT!

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:08:05am

This thread….

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:11:15am

re: #208 Targetpractice

He’s still going on about this shit? Trey, honey, let it go. Page was of interest to the Bureau years before Fusion GPS even got the call from the Washington Free Beacon to look into Trump. Acting like the FBI only started looking into the man after they got a call from Christopher Steele is not only in direct opposition to objective reality, but it makes you look even more petty and whipped that you’re continuing to carry water for this administration after you announced you’re no longer under any obligation to defend it.

The point isn’t to convince us. Conservatism is a religion. It is taken on faith. When faith waivers, you must feed the faithful with something that will help them shore up their faith, whether it is true or no.

This is for the consumption of conservatives, to convince them that there is something shady about the investigation.

Many studies have shown that people will dig in when challenged with information that opposes their opinions. This is part of that: It is to give the conservative religious another argument (whether true or no) to oppose what is in opposition to their religious faith (the FBI is working on Clinton’s behalf to tear up Trump and the GOP in general).

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:11:48am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are going to be in a bind over this. They think bakeries can deny LGBT people services but they’re going to cheer this on. Honestly, I think Dicks should have just decided to refuse to sell guns anymore period to make this easier to litigate.

“Guns, not cakes”
some slogan

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:13:55am
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:13:56am

I am in class right now. It’s planning period…and I wonder every single day if today is the day it happens. Is today the day I have to grab a phone, or a fire extinguisher and buy ten seconds for my students before I die?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:14:40am

re: #210 Weaselone

Interesting. It also sort of shows why things like Massachusetts being gerrymandered for democrats isn’t actually true. There’s nothing in the state beyond a slightly reddish purple. It would be almost impossible to carve out a consistently Republican Congressional district from the state. You would need a system that allocates seats based on statewide totals.

That could be done. Candidates run from all parties, and they get statewide seats based on the percentages of votes each party gets. The biggest vote-getters of each party gets the seats awarded proportionally. (In my state, that would likely yield at least one Democratic representative.)

I’m not sure how that would work re: the Constitution. States determine their districts; I presume the state in question could just declare the whole state to be all the districts and the winners the ones who get the most votes. (That would certainly break the red state lock on so many states, and would likely improve GOP representation in blue states.)

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:17:28am

re: #205 lawhawk

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trey, trey, (ok), trey

it’s not the source of the information
to the court, it’s the accuracy that matters

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:18:14am

re: #216 Scottish Dragon

I am in class right now. It’s planning period…and I wonder every single day if today is the day it happens. Is today the day I have to grab a phone, or a fire extinguisher and buy ten seconds for my students before I die?

I am sorry you have to think about such things. No teacher should have to think about anything other than the best ways to present their lessons to their students.

I despise the NRA and their bought-and-paid for politicians.

My brother-in-law is seriously considering retiring from teaching this year … he is also concerned about school shootings, and figures Texas will try to do the “teacher carry” nonsense.

As an aside, this helps the conservatives destroy public schools. Drive out the good teachers, the schools fail, then “see, government can’t do anything, privatise the schools, profit.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:22:23am

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

That’s insanely popular here; I’d say it makes up the majority of milk sales.

yes, I always keep a reserve of it on stock.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:23:22am

re: #212 Scottish Dragon

This thread….

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They smelled the lie. They are ten. And they know closet doors won’t save them.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:27:18am

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

I am sorry you have to think about such things. No teacher should have to think about anything other than the best ways to present their lessons to their students.
….


no one
, no “civilian”, should have to think like that whether at work, commuting, in the mall, a store, restaurant, or anywhere else

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:28:12am

re: #221 dangerman

Yep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:29:43am

re: #216 Scottish Dragon

I am in class right now. It’s planning period…and I wonder every single day if today is the day it happens. Is today the day I have to grab a phone, or a fire extinguisher and buy ten seconds for my students before I die?

I recall reading about Sandy Hook just before Christmas of 2012. Usually a time when an expat gets to feeling a bit homesick, but that was a day that I was glad that my children and I lived in Europe.

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Weaselone  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:34:24am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

1. It’s uncertain whether acupuncture is complete woo. (At least regarding pain relief. The healing promotion claims are almost certainly BS) The results of studies have been mixed. Some show relief of pain, some show no statistical improvement over the use of a sham technique. The major issue is that that study cohorts have been too small.
2. The military has a massive drug addiction problem which stems from stuffing injured and recovering soldiers full of opiates. This is shitty both for the soldiers who become addicts and for national security.
3. Worst case: A few years down the line we establish it doesn’t actually work beyond the placebo effect and we end the program. Most soldiers ended up just taking the drugs because it didn’t work and a handful of soldiers miss out on a lifetime battling opioid addiction courtesy of the placebo effect. The US tax payer is out the equivalent of the detailing on the latest military procurement fuckup.
Best Case: We establish that acupuncture does work, at least for some segment of the population and we have a tool to keep some soldiers off opiates.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:38:55am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:39:26am

CNN has a video of the Trump brand name being literally pried off a building. First time I ever used the half speed loop feature. When we do that at the White House, it’s a block party at my place.

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CongoJack  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:41:13am

re: #212 Scottish Dragon

This thread….

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And now I’m crying in my office. That thread hit home. She is in Colorado (I’m less than an hour away from her). She is a teacher of 10 year olds (so is my wife). And she mentioned that she cried while she was pumping (which my wife is doing as well).

The Mrs. and I have had to discuss what would happen in this situation. How protocols have changed after each school shooting. What would be the best course of action for her students and her to survive. My wife went to college (and has 80k in loans) to get her Masters in Elementary Education to teach; not to be trained in how to combat an active shooter.

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Interesting Times  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:41:34am

Yes, I know he voted for Cheeto Benito because Bernie Sanders wasn’t available -_- But:

a) It’s West-Freaking-Virginia
b) Would any WV GOPer ever in a million years say this?

(again, I’m bringing this up because it lends credence to the theory that there are, in fact, some gettable votes in rural white America so long as those voters value populist progressive policies more than lingering racism/bigotry).

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Weaselone  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:42:19am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

It’s doable, but I’m also not sure about Constitutionality when it comes to Congressional Representation. The Constitution based on a straight reading would seem to allow it, but I’m obviously not aware of any further rulings in that regards.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:43:12am

re: #227 Unshaken Defiance

CNN has a video of the Trump brand name being literally pried off a building. First time I ever used the half speed loop feature. When we do that at the White House, it’s a block party at my place.

[insert obligatory discussion of snacks and pizza toppings here]

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Interesting Times  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:44:22am

Ha:

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:45:40am

re: #228 CongoJack

And now I’m crying in my office. That thread hit home. She is in Colorado (I’m less than an hour away from her). She is a teacher of 10 year olds (so is my wife). And she mentioned that she cried while she was pumping (which my wife is doing as well).

The Mrs. and I have had to discuss what would happen in this situation. How protocols have changed after each school shooting. What would be the best course of action for her students and her to survive. My wife went to college (and has 80k in loans) to get her Masters in Elementary Education to teach; not to be trained in how to combat an active shooter.

the whole concept is perverted

as the nra/gop has power we are obligated to treat it as legitimate

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:45:41am

re: #229 Interesting Times

I was talking to one of the guys here at work, where not much politics is spoken, and he doesn’t like John Ratcliffe. He tried contacting Ratcliffe about opposing Net Neutrality repeal and Ratcliffe replied that he supported repeal.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:46:09am

re: #229 Interesting Times

Yes, I know he voted for Cheeto Benito because Bernie Sanders wasn’t available -_- But:

a) It’s West-Freaking-Virginia
b) Would any WV GOPer ever in a million years say this?

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(again, I’m bringing this up because it lends credence to the theory that there are, in fact, some gettable votes in rural white America so long as those voters value populist progressive policies more than lingering racism/bigotry).

I think we all underestimate the effect the Russians had on persuading progressives that Trump — or Jill — or Gary — was better than Killary! (////) It was not only RW voters who were susceptible to Putin’s propaganda machine.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:48:30am

So, on a slight OT note, just got done watching a documentary flick called LA 92. I can’t recommend it enough. Hard to watch, but brilliant.

imdb.com

It should be on Netflix in the US.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:49:12am

re: #228 CongoJack

My wife went to college (and has 80k in loans) to get her Masters in Elementary Education to teach; not to be trained in how to combat an active shooter.

I keep having to tell people that I was a soldier 25 years ago…and I am NOT a soldier now! I am not going to be a door gunner in the hall of my school in order for the NRA to keep hawking weapons of mass carnage to idiots who star in their own personal war movies every night after they go to bed.

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Interesting Times  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:50:36am

re: #235 Hecuba’s daughter

I think we all underestimate the effect the Russians had on persuading progressives that Trump — or Jill — or Gary — was better than Killary! (////) It was not only RW voters who were susceptible to Putin’s propaganda machine.

Absolutely correct. There were enough progressives who believed Cheeto Benito (despite his manifest awfulness) was preferable to HRC simply for TPP opposition (they didn’t believe hers was genuine) and avoiding WWIII with Russia (they were convinced she’d start it due to wanting no-fly zone in Syria).

Putin propaganda bots totally seized on that, and it made a huge difference in the most crucial swing states :/

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:50:55am

re: #235 Hecuba’s daughter

I think we all underestimate the effect the Russians had on persuading progressives that Trump — or Jill — or Gary — was better than Killary! (////) It was not only RW voters who were susceptible to Putin’s propaganda machine.

Certainly.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:52:14am

re: #236 Dr Lizardo

Netflix has Annihilation in much of the world right now, or will soon. Give it a shot…but it is not a nice movie by any stretch of the imagination and it is challenging in many respects.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:56:28am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

As you said, it will help with gerrymandering and with the related issue of Dem voters all living within certain compact districts. OTOH this does not help with outright voter disenfranchisement due to (a) draconian voter id requirements and (b) permanent loss of voting rights for felons. It also doesn’t address those who cannot vote because they don’t have a permanent residence.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:56:38am

re: #236 Dr Lizardo

So, on a slight OT note, just got done watching a documentary flick called LA 92. I can’t recommend it enough. Hard to watch, but brilliant.

imdb.com

It should be on Netflix in the US.

Thanks, will do. Like my fellow Los Angeles Lizards of a certain age ™ we were there.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:58:57am

Morning Lizardim. What fresh hell awaits?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 7, 2018 • 8:59:58am

Let’s have an intellectual conversation;

Trump Opponent: I cannot believe that our President just passed a tax bill that will add $4 trillion to the national debt
Trump Supporter: Obama is a Muslim lover
Trump Opponent: Unless we offer a path to citizenship to undocumented workers, farms are going to go bankrupt
Trump Supporter: Hillary is a murderer
Trump Opponent: I miss the days when our President was respectable, even when his opinion differed from mine
Trump Supporter: Shut up libtard you don’t know nothin. Mine President is the best. He’s doing so much for our country if you don’t like it leave I’m sick of you intellektuals killing our babies and taking my flag away and my prayers guns and Jesus. MAGA

This is where we have come as a nation……

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:01:32am

re: #240 Scottish Dragon

I’ll have to check that out.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:02:58am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

We have enough dingbats on the GOP side of the aisle, we don’t need them on ours. (Still railing on science-based medicine here.)

A whole pile of money was shoveled at the VA to study acupuncture for treating pain in lieu of medication or other proven methods of medicine.

Rep Judy Chu (D-CA27) introduced a bill called the “Acupuncture for Our Heroes Act” to require all VA medical facilities to provide acupuncture for pain.

Rep. Chu claims “discrimination against traditional Asian methods of medicine.”

Screw that. Like the rattlesnake pills above (which are traditional Mexican medicine), we don’t call proven medicine that works “traditional medicine” or “alternative medicine.” We call it “medicine.”

I do not want to be forced by the government to use quackery paid for by tax money for my benefits.

Fortunately, since the bill was introduced by a Democrat, the GOP won’t move the bill. It was introduced last year, and still sits without action.

congress.gov (bill sponsor and text)

There have actually been a fair number of studies that show acupuncture is effective for treating chronic pain.

Link

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:03:24am

re: #222 dangerman


no one
, no “civilian”, should have to think like that whether at work, commuting, in the mall, a store, restaurant, or anywhere else

Yup. Military and police, that’s sort of the job. You expect that you might get shot at in the course of your duties, and you train every day for that eventuality.

The point of a military force and a police force is so the rest of the populace doesn’t have to do those things.

While I was never in real danger in the Navy (except a couple of potential issues), I volunteered for that, and part of that is so that others can go about their business secure in the knowledge there were professionals to keep them safe.

Are the way the police and military employed always beneficial for our society? No. But we have politicians who are elected to fix that, to employ protocols and procedures and diplomacy so they are not misused in the future. Society is a learning curve.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:05:10am

re: #240 Scottish Dragon

Netflix has Annihilation in much of the world right now, or will soon. Give it a shot…but it is not a nice movie by any stretch of the imagination and it is challenging in many respects.

Damn, that was fast. Wasn’t that movie in theaters like a month and a half ago?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:06:10am

re: #246 Mike Lamb

There have actually been a fair number of studies that show acupuncture is effective for treating chronic pain.

Link

This shows zero studies for or against. It says it might be worth trying and studying.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:08:45am

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹

This shows zero studies for or against. It says it might be worth trying and studying.

Nope…linked within the article:

Link

Conclusion:

Acupuncture is effective for the treatment of chronic pain and is therefore a reasonable referral option. Significant differences between true and sham acupuncture indicate that acupuncture is more than a placebo. However, these differences are relatively modest, suggesting that factors in addition to the specific effects of needling are important contributors to the therapeutic effects of acupuncture.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:08:52am
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retired cynic  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:10:28am

re: #246 Mike Lamb

There have actually been a fair number of studies that show acupuncture is effective for treating chronic pain.

Link

I can vouch for that. It isn’t covered by my insurance, so I can only go when I have the money. Fibromyalgia, spinal issues, both respond to it.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:10:44am

re: #251 makeitstop

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i dont see shrek being any part of this

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:12:19am

re: #226 Scottish Dragon

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:15:55am

re: #252 retired cynic

I can vouch for that. It isn’t covered by my insurance, so I can only go when I have the money. Fibromyalgia, spinal issues, both respond to it.

Sports injury/overuse pain! I could abuse my liver less with Tylenol with warm needles instead. I had the old school smoldering warm needle kind.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:19:27am

I admire James Hetfield’s sobriety, helped me get sober. I was a little bit taken aback by this announcement:

Well-known Kentucky bourbon distiller is teaming up with Metallica

Legendary heavy-metal band Metallica is teaming up with Dave Pickerell, former master distiller at Maker’s Mark, on a whiskey line — and possibly a small distillery.

Pickerell told WhiskeyCast about the project in a story published last week. The band’s San Francisco hometown seems to be the front runner site for a distillery, but Pickerell also mentions Louisville and Nashville as possible locations.

“San Francisco (is) the home of Metallica, Louisville (is) the home of bourbon, and Nashville (is) the home of music, so one of those three seems to make sense,” Pickerell told the publication. “I’m voting for San Francisco and the Bay Area if nothing falls apart.”

I get making the money, and trying to pad his retirement fund. I am seeing them in October, and will be paying dearly. Cliff ‘em all!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:21:16am

re: #250 Mike Lamb

Nope…linked within the article:

Link

Conclusion:

Acupuncture is effective for the treatment of chronic pain and is therefore a reasonable referral option. Significant differences between true and sham acupuncture indicate that acupuncture is more than a placebo. However, these differences are relatively modest, suggesting that factors in addition to the specific effects of needling are important contributors to the therapeutic effects of acupuncture.

I found it. I did not see the link.

It is not a study. It is a meta-analysis of studies.

From the conclusion of that analysis, the lede:

We believe that our findings are both clinically and scientifically important. They suggest that the total effects of acupuncture, as experienced by the patient in routine clinical practice, are clinically relevant, but that an important part of these total effects is not due to issues considered to be crucial by most acupuncturists, such as the correct location of points and depth of needling. Several lines of argument suggest that acupuncture (whether real or sham) is associated with more potent placebo or context effects than other interventions.

Emphasis in the summary mine.

Theatrical placebo. Doesn’t matter where you put the needle.

I suppose that I could boil up and sterilise my own needles, hang my shingle out, and go to work. According to the meta-analysis (not study), 50% of people reported improvement in pain. (That’s pretty low.) Doesn’t matter whether my “boil my own needles” method is effective or no, I get paid (and acupuncture is very expensive).

Moreover, there are no acupuncturists within a couple hundred miles of here. If I was unethical, I could take my state’s required courses, get my FREE license after sitting an “acupuncture examination” (whatever the hell that is), and I’m set. (No continuing education required to maintain the license.)

Or I could sell placebo pills (since the meta-analysis notes that’s the principal effect of acupuncture) and I don’t even need a license.

By comparison, I have to sit nearly the same number of hours for a Public Water System Operator, the license is $150 every year, and I have to go through continuing education which costs way more than that every year.

Forgive me if I view acupuncture as quackery. There’s a reason it’s called “alternative medicine” (it’s not medicine).

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:21:31am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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Navarro in the house?

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Jay C  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:22:59am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

We have enough dingbats on the GOP side of the aisle, we don’t need them on ours. (Still railing on science-based medicine here.)

A whole pile of money was shoveled at the VA to study acupuncture for treating pain in lieu of medication or other proven methods of medicine.

Rep Judy Chu (D-CA27) introduced a bill called the “Acupuncture for Our Heroes Act” to require all VA medical facilities to provide acupuncture for pain.

Rep. Chu claims “discrimination against traditional Asian methods of medicine.”

Screw that. Like the rattlesnake pills above (which are traditional Mexican medicine), we don’t call proven medicine that works “traditional medicine” or “alternative medicine.” We call it “medicine.”

I do not want to be forced by the government to use quackery paid for by tax money for my benefits.

Fortunately, since the bill was introduced by a Democrat, the GOP won’t move the bill. It was introduced last year, and still sits without action.

congress.gov (bill sponsor and text)

Sorry to have to join the pile-on, ‘mouse, but acupuncture - if (like any form of medicine) properly administered by a careful and competent professional, is far from being mere “quackery”. Of course, its benefits have been overhyped, and it’s far from the cure-all its more-enthusiastic proponents like to claim, but if used correctly, CAN be of use in many situations: pain-management among them. It all depends on the individual case. And of course, the abilities (and ethics) of the practitioner.

Comments from personal experience: my wife is chronic-pain patient; and, many years ago, sought help from an acupuncturist acquaintance - a very well-regarded pro - for her various pains. She (my wife) had many sessions with the practitioner - without much success, whereupon she (the acupuncturist) suggested that seeking “regular” medical advice would be more productive. It wasn’t, but that wasn’t anybody’s fault.

Yeah, there has been a great deal of woo-woo about acupuncture bandied about, but if it helps even a few vets deal with pain issues without the use of serious drugs, it’s well worth the VA covering it.
However, FWIW, I think Rep. Chu’s griping about “discrimination” is overdone.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:23:43am

Fuck him

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:25:30am

re: #260 I Would Prefer Not To

Fuck him

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Reading the thread, it appears that he is only deferring taxes, but it’s still a break.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:27:38am

A former Trumporrhoid leaves the MAGA cult.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:27:54am

currently:

YouTube

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:30:19am

re: #257 Anymouse 🌹

Of course my experience is anecdotal, ignorable.
At the time, with discussion with my real MD guy the theory in my case was this. The warm needles reduced my pain, and a body responds quite well to a reduction in pain. That is to say the effects of chronic or high level pain is pretty well documented. Straight empirical. Real world medicine. Science? Nope. worthwhile and in my case acupuncture was less costly than what an MD would charge for a visit and perhaps injection. BTW none of my injuries were more than contusions, sprains etc. If I suspected anything like that I saw an MD first of course.

Might be a warm bath and careful massage would have been as good for me after a tough fight. I tried it all short of Percocet etc. But I still go after doing all the reading.

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retired cynic  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:31:54am

re: #257 Anymouse 🌹

Not gonna argue; got work to do. But it is more than placebo. Take it from someone who has tried a lot of things for chronic pain. All I’m gonna say.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:31:58am

re: #259 Jay C

(rest cut)
Yeah, there has been a great deal of woo-woo about acupuncture bandied about, but if it helps even a few vets deal with pain issues without the use of serious drugs, it’s well worth the VA covering it.
And FWIW, I think Rep. Chu’s griping about “discrimination” is overdone.

How many millions of dollars do you wish to spend to help “a few vets” as opposed to methods already proven to work in multiple studies over decades? The government already put $20M into this to see if acupuncture could be administered in VA hospitals (not to actually give acupuncture) back in 2014.

And no amount of anecdotal evidence amounts to “data.” Controlled scientific studies amount to data. Put those results up against already-used methods, then see if that procedure is worth taking money away from veteran health care for.

When I was stationed in Virginia Beach, chiropractors convinced conservatives in the government to spend millions of dollars to push their quack theories on active duty. An entire wing of the Portsmouth Naval Hospital was given over to a chiropractic clinic to operate for years. It was finally shut down after it was shown to be quackery (but only after we got rid of the people in Congress pushing for the idea).

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:32:35am

This is the link.

Therealside is full of dodgy ads.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:37:14am

re: #257 Anymouse 🌹

I found it. I did not see the link.

It is not a study. It is a meta-analysis of studies.

From the conclusion of that analysis, the lede:

Emphasis in the summary mine.

Theatrical placebo. Doesn’t matter where you put the needle.

I suppose that I could boil up and sterilise my own needles, hang my shingle out, and go to work. According to the meta-analysis (not study), 50% of people reported improvement in pain. (That’s pretty low.) Doesn’t matter whether my “boil my own needles” method is effective or no, I get paid (and acupuncture is very expensive).

Moreover, there are no acupuncturists within a couple hundred miles of here. If I was unethical, I could take my state’s required courses, get my FREE license after sitting an “acupuncture examination” (whatever the hell that is), and I’m set. (No continuing education required to maintain the license.)

Or I could sell placebo pills (since the meta-analysis notes that’s the principal effect of acupuncture) and I don’t even need a license.

By comparison, I have to sit nearly the same number of hours for a Public Water System Operator, the license is $150 every year, and I have to go through continuing education which costs way more than that every year.

Forgive me if I view acupuncture as quackery. There’s a reason it’s called “alternative medicine” (it’s not medicine).

From the link:

“Significant differences between true and sham acupuncture indicate that acupuncture is more than a placebo.”

And by the way, whether you deem acupuncture to have therapeutic effects or not, one thing is clear is that you don’t understand acupuncture licensing in most states or the training involved.

Lastly, I’d point out that a lot of people use acupuncture as a method of last resort, because they have a lot of pain, and don’t want to use heavy duty pain meds or even OTC stuff or maybe don’t want surgery, and want a non drug-related way to manage pain. So even if it’s only 50% of people that see results, it’s still worth it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:37:21am

quackwatch.org
(article on acupuncture, 2017)

As noted up the thread about other issues, when presented with information that is contradictory to a person’s already-convinced position, they will double-down.

I am sorry, no amount of anecdotes amounts to evidence. Properly-contrived studies amount to evidence. The evidence is not there, no matter if “acupuncture helped my mother-in-law’s sister’s dog.”

Of note, a researcher in Missouri developed a “fake acupuncture needle” which simulates a real needle but does nothing, to use in controlled trials of acupuncture.

You would be amazed that no one who promotes acupuncture wishes to submit to such a trial.

I’m going to bail on this. They make me use acupuncture, I’ll sue. We’ll see what happens.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:39:01am

re: #268 Mike Lamb

From the link:

“Significant differences between true and sham acupuncture indicate that acupuncture is more than a placebo.”

And by the way, whether you deem acupuncture to have therapeutic effects or not, one thing is clear is that you don’t understand acupuncture licensing in most states or the training involved.

I looked it up on my state licensing site, the same site I look up my own water licensing requirements.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:39:53am

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

This is the link.

Therealside is full of dodgy ads.

I don’t know the guy…but he didn’t do his work prior to joining MAGA. Also, he had to slide some both sides do it BS in there. It wasn’t needed.

He needs to use his eyes and his head next time. Points off!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:41:45am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

A former Trumporrhoid leaves the MAGA cult.

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But he still supports Trump “because he’s President”… So he’s learned not one damn thing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:41:54am

re: #271 ObserverArt

I don’t know the guy…but he didn’t do his work prior to joining MAGA. Also, he had to slide some both sides do it BS in there. It wasn’t needed.

He needs to use his eyes and his head next time. Points off!

We’ll take ‘em any way we can get ‘em.

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Jay C  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:43:23am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

A former Trumporrhoid leaves the MAGA cult.

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Mr. Weissman may have “left” the Trump cult, but from that linked article, he hasn’t really gone very far. Despite the attacks he received from questioning the in-cult dogma, he still feels obligated to close with an expression of support for President Trump. And the strawman caricatures…

In fair argument, I will acknowledge that this extremism exists on both sides. I have attempted and failed to have reasonable discussions with many self-proclaimed liberals who worship Hillary or Obama as well, and that frenzied look in their eyes is always the same.

.

“Worship”? “Frenzied look”?? WTH is this guy talking to? I mean, it’s nice to see a Jewish Trumpoid finally seeing through the dismissive antisemitism that lies at the heart of so much of the “MAGA” cult,
but I have a feeling David Weissman would probably vote for Trump again, should he have the opportunity. And then make up some new set of excuses.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:44:53am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

I looked it up on my state licensing site, the same site I look up my own water licensing requirements.

Nebraska right?:

A Certificate of Acupuncture Education completed by a school on the form provided, and sent directly to this office from the school, showing successful completion of the acupuncture curriculum requirements of a formal, full-time acupuncture program at a Board-approved school or college (ACAOM accredited) which includes at least 1,725 hours of entry-level acupuncture education consisting of a minimum of 1,000 didactic and 500 clinical hours;

And that doesn’t include some of the practical testing that is also required to be licensed.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:47:09am

re: #248 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn, that was fast. Wasn’t that movie in theaters like a month and a half ago?

It is in theaters now, but only in America. UK gets it on Netflix on the 12th.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:49:20am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

I looked it up on my state licensing site, the same site I look up my own water licensing requirements.

‘mouse, you are certainly allowed your own thinking regarding acupuncture, but just like your stance on religion, you get into this big having to prove it thing and it just gets to be too much. I have no problem with criticism and references to prove a point. But when it becomes a mission to prove others wrong it can be self defeating.

And I have never had acupuncture. Probably never will.

Education is fine, but if someone is going to hold to their own thoughts on an issue trying to prove them wrong is going to close a door and stop all further thoughts. At that point you change nothing.

Moderation in debate is always a good thing. Having a feel for when you are getting close to crossing the line of turning them off is an important thing.

Just an opinion.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:50:22am

re: #262 The Vicious Babushka

A former Trumporrhoid leaves the MAGA cult.

He is still a trumporrhoid, actually.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:51:16am

re: #273 The Vicious Babushka

We’ll take ‘em any way we can get ‘em.

No doubt. But it is kinda sad we have to take them when they could figure this out if they just opened their eyes and did some background checking.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:51:28am

re: #256 Shropshire Slasher

I admire James Hetfield’s sobriety, helped me get sober. I was a little bit taken aback by this announcement:

Well-known Kentucky bourbon distiller is teaming up with Metallica

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I get making the money, and trying to pad his retirement fund. I am seeing them in October, and will be paying dearly. Cliff ‘em all!!!

I saw them in California in…’88 I think. So, a few years ago, ahem.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:52:12am

re: #275 Mike Lamb

Nebraska right?:

A Certificate of Acupuncture Education completed by a school on the form provided, and sent directly to this office from the school, showing successful completion of the acupuncture curriculum requirements of a formal, full-time acupuncture program at a Board-approved school or college (ACAOM accredited) which includes at least 1,725 hours of entry-level acupuncture education consisting of a minimum of 1,000 didactic and 500 clinical hours;

And that doesn’t include some of the practical testing that is also required to be licensed.

Yup. I also had to go to school as a water operator. The board that accredits water operator school is the state, not a self-accrediting board.

I didn’t need clinical hours obviously.

I also have to take practical tests, all the time I am licensed, every couple of months, in every continuing education class I have to take.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:53:51am

re: #227 Unshaken Defiance

CNN has a video of the Trump brand name being literally pried off a building. First time I ever used the half speed loop feature. When we do that at the White House, it’s a block party at my place.

For the entire planet.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:53:56am

It’s well past my bedtime … I’ll catch y’all later.

I can’t wait to see what new crazy has happened when I awaken… .

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:54:05am

re: #280 Sir John Barron

Time goes by too quickly, doesn’t it?

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William Lewis  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:55:34am

re: #256 Shropshire Slasher

I admire James Hetfield’s sobriety, helped me get sober. I was a little bit taken aback by this announcement:

Well-known Kentucky bourbon distiller is teaming up with Metallica

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I get making the money, and trying to pad his retirement fund. I am seeing them in October, and will be paying dearly. Cliff ‘em all!!!

They’ve been hypocrites for decades. It’s why I’ve never been a big fan despite some great music. At best they’re asshats and I’ll pass on giving them any of my money.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:56:44am

re: #284 Eclectic Cyborg

Time goes by too quickly, doesn’t it?

Then we get old and die.

I’ve already outlived the men in my family so I’m already on borrowed time. My wife already has all the passwords of places I write (including here) to shut down accounts when I take up residence in the Sandhills north of my house.

Wow, that was maudlin. Catch y’all later.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:57:06am

re: #281 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. I also had to go to school as a water operator. The board that accredits water operator school is the state, not a self-accrediting board.

I didn’t need clinical hours obviously.

I also have to take practical tests, all the time I am licensed, every couple of months, in every continuing education class I have to take.

Point being is that you just can’t take a weekend course and hang your shingle as an acupuncturist as you insinuated. You might not find value in acupuncture, but licensed acupuncturists aren’t uneducated or untrained.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:57:39am

re: #280 Sir John Barron

I saw them in California in…’88 I think. So, a few years ago, ahem.

Must resist temptation to say what I was doing in 88.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:57:47am

re: #285 William Lewis

They’ve been hypocrites for decades. It’s why I’ve never been a big fan despite some great music. At best they’re asshats and I’ll pass on giving them any of my money.

I also agree that they have been real jerks about defending their Brand Name against anything that uses Metal in it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 9:58:08am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

Must resist temptation to say what I was doing in 88.

I had just moved to Europe

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:01:12am

re: #290 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had just moved to Europe

Let’s just ‘88 involves very little walking for me.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:01:40am

Alcoholica…. yeah, they’re going to do a branded bourbon?

Sure thing. I’m surprised it took them this long. They’re usually on top of branded stuff, though not nearly as crazy as KISS is.

I also get the hypocrisy of branding booze when your lead singer has been battling addiction for years. It’s not a good look.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:02:33am

JFC

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:03:23am

re: #292 lawhawk

Alcoholica…. yeah, they’re going to do a branded bourbon?

Sure thing. I’m surprised it took them this long. They’re usually on top of branded stuff, though not nearly as crazy as KISS is.

I also get the hypocrisy of branding booze when your lead singer has been battling addiction for years. It’s not a good look.

It’s not as bad as Dan Aykroyd’s Crystal Head Vodka.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:04:39am

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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Hey Fox didn’t you all cry up a storm when Ivanka didn’t answer about her father. And for fuck sake, the RNC Finance Chairman was doing the same shit Weinstein was but okay keep on beating off that dead horse.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:05:20am

re: #292 lawhawk

Alcoholica…. yeah, they’re going to do a branded bourbon?

Sure thing. I’m surprised it took them this long. They’re usually on top of branded stuff, though not nearly as crazy as KISS is.

I also get the hypocrisy of branding booze when your lead singer has been battling addiction for years. It’s not a good look.

Kind of like how Trump claims he’s sober because of his brother but had a vodka brand and has wineries?

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:07:51am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Fox/Hannity were attacking Chelsea for saying that Ivanka was fair game for reporters to criticize her.

Ivanka is part of the administration.

Ivanka’s actions are fair game because she represents the US government.

Fact is she has no business anywhere near any level of government and has even less experience, but that’s also the point.

The only reason Ivanka is in any kind of position in the WH is because daddy’s the president - not because she’s done anything to warrant her position.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:10:06am

re: #297 lawhawk

Fox/Hannity were attacking Chelsea for saying that Ivanka was fair game for reporters to criticize her.

Ivanka is part of the administration.

Ivanka’s actions are fair game because she represents the US government.

Fact is she has no business anywhere near any level of government and has even less experience, but that’s also the point.

The only reason Ivanka is in any kind of position in the WH is because daddy’s the president - not because she’s done anything to warrant her position.

Precisely. No one is criticizing Tiffany or Barron for their silence because well they’re not actively part of the administration. FNC really does wish HRC were elected. It’s easier to just bitch about the Clintons than to have to defend Trump’s stupid policies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:11:41am

re: #293 The Vicious Babushka

.Chelsea Clinton pushes Me Too, but gets no questions on Bill Clinton’s actions or Harvey Weinstein donations.

Did she take money from HW personally or have anything to do directly with Bill’s actions?

And what about her role in Benghazi?

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:14:55am

re: #263 dangerman

currently:

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I thought for a minute that was my least favorite song ever. But no, this is it:

Joe Ely - Gallo Del Cielo

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:15:45am

sorry, the yam talking like he is some authority on intellectual property just makes me laugh and laugh.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:16:32am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

sorry, the yam talking like he is some authority on intellectual property just makes me laugh and laugh.

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Acting like he’s some authority on anything other than promoting himself is laughable. He doesn’t know what the fuck he’s talking about.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:16:35am
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:18:21am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:19:15am

re: #303 bill d. (b.d.)

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That’s awesome.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:19:21am
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Jay C  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:19:57am

OT, but it’s finally starting snowing here (Berkshires) fairly hard. It had been light/nonexistent til about 12:45. I did all my shopping yesterday in any case, planning to spend the day indoors wasting my time sharpening my intellect by following LGF all day…

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:20:05am

re: #257 Anymouse 🌹

Without offering an opinion on acupuncture either way, a meta-analysis of multiple studies is considered a much higher and better grade of evidence than a single study. This is a better paper than if it were a study.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:20:18am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

That’s awesome.

It really is, compare with Betsy’s visit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:21:50am

re: #309 bill d. (b.d.)

It really is, compare with Betsy’s visit.

I’ve always liked Wade. Good ball player and dude.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:22:45am

oops

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:25:07am

NYC has been getting reports of thundersnow since around noon. It’s been snowing in Northern NJ since early this morning, but the streets are finally seeing accumulating snow only in the past 30 minutes or so. It’s going to be picking up the pace, and I’m expecting thundersnow in these parts soon too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:25:29am
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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:26:11am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Remember when he pretty much single-handedly took Marquette to the Final Four in 2003. Good to see him back in Miami where he has meant so much to that community.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:26:30am

Is it Friday yet?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:26:54am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Assholes.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:36:05am

Issa claims that California is so crime ridden that it’s exporting its crime to neighboring states…. except that’s not exactly the case.

California borders: Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon.

From 2016, this is the crime rate per 100,000 residents:
Nevada 678
Arizona 470
California 445
Oregon 264

Kinda puts a dent in the con artist’s story.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:36:53am

re: #317 lawhawk

Issa claims that California is so crime ridden that it’s exporting its crime to neighboring states…. except that’s not exactly the case.

California borders: Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon.

From 2016, this is the crime rate per 100,000 residents:
Nevada 678
Arizona 470
California 445
Oregon 264

Kinda puts a dent in the con artist’s story.

But… but… CHICAGO!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:38:09am

what a surprise.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:38:53am

re: #300 wrenchwench

I thought for a minute that was my least favorite song ever. But no, this is it:

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charlie daniels was part of the triumvirate of my musical youth
third behind the allman brothers and marshall tucker

because of his politics, hes become harder to listen to

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:41:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:41:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:42:47am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:43:31am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Draining the swamp with swamp monsters.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:45:03am

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

Speaking of bears, it’s been a while since we caught up with Bryan Fischer.

He’s busy trying to dissemble that gun violence has everything to do with liberals and has nothing to do with easy access to guns.

Let’s just ignore that the FL shooter was a goddamned Nazi who targeted former schoolmates with a gun no civilian should be able to buy and which serves no purpose except to kill large numbers of people in as short a time as possible.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:45:03am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, who would know the industries better than the people who spent all of their time in Washington trying to get those industries more money?////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:46:03am

the keebler elf needs to just go back to his safe tree stump.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:46:27am

my two cents re acupuncture is that both of these things can be true at the same time - and right now, likely are

personal experience informs what some think they know - they have gotten relief and that’s fine. and it is real and true.

and

even with all its history, acupuncture has not achieved the status of double blind scientific efficacy necessary to be called medicine or (loosely) science. whether it could, or might, it hasn’t.

the (ahem) danger, if there is one is a governmental body - say the VA, granting it a position it does not currently merit. and with that, either diverting funds and attention from known protocols and/or possibly directing and sanctioning its widerspread use where there is no medical or scientific basis to do so

i do not disbelieve or dispute any one’s individual experience

imo, to make policy, it must first meet the same standards as the rest of medical science

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:48:45am

re: #303 bill d. (b.d.)

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Good on DWade. He really does care about the community down there in Florida, I’m glad they traded him back there.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:49:00am

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

DeVos says school districts could arm teachers trained to high standards

if i tweeted, i’d find the two recent ones:

the cops sending in the robot

the separate event with the cops firing all those bullets and still missing the suspect

those high standards, betsy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:49:04am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:51:33am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah because wanting schools to be safe is the same as wanting no homework. What a patronizing dolt.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:51:45am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

The blowout coming, when the the atavists finally drown in their own stupidity, will be as spectacular as it is dangerous.

Seriously, gun nuts really are nascent terrorists. They believe in that can be saved by using weapons of death.

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Mattand  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:52:25am

If acupuncture makes one feel good, that’s fine. But it’s not a medical treatment. There’s no evidence for bodily meridians, or qi, for that matter. It’s a placebo.

Among the other issues plaguing this country, the move towards rejecting evidence- and science-based medicine and embracing “alt” and “eastern” ones is another disaster in the making.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:53:57am

re: #334 Mattand

If acupuncture makes one feel good, that’s fine.

Here I will interject the simple proposal that Stormy Daniels can make one feel good too.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:55:10am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:55:45am

re: #333 freetoken

They mistake offensive weapons for defensive shields because aggression feels good.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:55:46am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

The adults make the laws.

And those ‘children’ you’re deriding are gonna send your ass home. Two words: voting age.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:55:53am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

An actual Florida lawmaker: “We’ve been told to listen to children and do what they ask. Are there any children on this floor? Are they making laws? Do we allow children to tell us we should pass a law that says no homework? No. The adults make the laws

go ahead and keep calling them children

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Mattand  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:56:23am

re: #335 freetoken

Here I will interject the simple proposal that Stormy Daniels can make one feel good too.

Well, she can’t be making Trump or Michael Cohen feel all that good right now.

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Alephnaught  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:57:11am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Yeah because wanting schools to be safe is the same as wanting no homework. What a patronizing dolt.

Yeah, and that whole “The adults make the laws”. Except, they obviously haven’t in this case. In this case, the self-styled “adults” haved failed their kids. So, who can blame the kids for wanting to force the issue, given that many view it as a matter of survival?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:57:49am
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CongoJack  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:57:52am

re: #339 dangerman

go ahead and keep calling them children

Also, last time I checked children were still citizens and constituents. So good job… you just bit the hand that will sooner or later pull the voting levers in the booth.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:58:43am

re: #315 lawhawk

LOL. Lordy….dick pics of Trump? Yeesh.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 10:59:31am

re: #329 makeitstop

Good on DWade. He really does care about the community down there in Florida, I’m glad they traded him back there.

It wasn’t really a trade as much as a release from the Cavs so he could go back to Miami. I read where Koby Altman, the new general manager, asked LeBron if they should do it and LeBron was good with it, so they called pat Riley in Miami and he was fine with it because everyone wanted D-Wade to be at home for retirement.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:00:02am

re: #341 Alephnaught

Yeah, and that whole “The adults make the laws”. Except, they obviously haven’t in this case. In this case, the self-styled “adults” haved failed their kids. So, who can blame the kids for wanting to force the issue, given that many view it as a matter of survival?

exactly this

the “adults” have had 30-40 years more or less to get this under some kind of, any kind of control. they got bought and totally abdicated

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:00:28am

re: #344 Dr Lizardo

I’m very cautious about these wild claims.

The problem is that Ms. Daniels is not a particularly high quality source of information.

And if it is found that any alleged texts/pics are not true, then that will provide fuel for the Trumpers to claim that Trump is being persecuted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:01:21am
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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:01:23am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:02:04am
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Mattand  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:03:04am

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

Got together with the family on Sunday. Sister is a teacher, and I’m pretty sure sister-in-law is a closet Trump supporter (who’s worked for the feds for over 20 years).

While everybody was complaining how the current school safety situation was deplorable, overtime I brought up banning AR-15s and other assault weapons, I was told to change the subject, or that it can’t be done.

Absolutely amazing. My brother-in-law, while far from a slobbering right winger, unconsciously kept parroting Marco Rubio: too many guns out there to do anything; or the ol’ “If we ban that one, this other gun can be modified like the former, so therefore do nothing.”

It’s incredible how even people like my sis, who is horrified by every idiot GOP proposal, just shuts down when it comes to banning weapons. At one point, she mentioned some schools either proposed having or actually have a bucket of tennis balls for the kids to chuck at a potential gunman.

Yet when I propose reinstating the Assault Weapon Ban, I’m the one who’s nuts. Un-fucking-believable.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:03:14am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Incommoding…

um, er, uh

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Interesting Times  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:03:39am

re: #350 jaunte

Yes, but will it be heard by newly appointed trumpchump extremist judges? :/

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:03:54am

re: #338 makeitstop

And those ‘children’ you’re deriding are gonna send your ass home. Two words: voting age.

Some of them will be voting this year.

I don’t get these Republicans. They must think they have all of this made because they are in Red states. It is pure arrogance. They must be so assured they don’t check the polls and the trends.

Oh well…it will be their loss.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:04:08am

re: #347 freetoken

I’m very cautious about these wild claims.

The problem is that Ms. Daniels is not a particularly high quality source of information.

And if it is found that any alleged texts/pics are not true, then that will provide fuel for the Trumpers to claim that Trump is being persecuted.

Oh, I know….I’m cautious too. But just imagine - the very idea that a US President may well have photos of his dong on the mobile phone (or laptop) of a porn star?

Gaah. The GOP needs to STFU with their fine talk of “moral propriety”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:04:14am
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freetoken  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:04:25am

re: #351 Mattand

Because the Gun is America’s true god.

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:05:50am

Accurate

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Weaselone  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:06:33am

re: #334 Mattand

If acupuncture makes one feel good, that’s fine. But it’s not a medical treatment. There’s no evidence for bodily meridians, or qi, for that matter. It’s a placebo.

Among the other issues plaguing this country, the move towards rejecting evidence- and science-based medicine towards “alt” and “eastern” ones is another disaster in the making.

The entire point here is to make one feel good. It’s supposed to be an alternative to using opiates for pain control. It’s not exactly the equivalent of treating cancer with homeopathy or rejecting vaccination.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:06:52am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:08:08am

re: #357 freetoken

Because the Gun is America’s true god.

The GOP in one pic:

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:09:09am

re: #352 dangerman

Aren’t a lot of people incommoding between 6 and 7 each morning?

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:10:24am

re: #315 lawhawk

Is it Friday yet?

Politics Insider

@Politicsinsider
Stormy Daniels’ lawsuit against Trump reveals there could be photos and texts from their alleged affair read.bi
12:25 PM - Mar 7, 2018
1 1 Reply 2 2 Retweets 2 2 likes

No way there are pictures. There is no evidence that Trump has that skill. He knows how to tweet and retweet — does he know how to use the computer or his phone for any other purpose?

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Mattand  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:10:37am

re: #354 ObserverArt

Some of them will be voting this year.

I don’t get these Republicans. They must think they have all of this made because they are in Red states. It is pure arrogance. They must be so assured they don’t check the polls and the trends.

Oh well…it will be their loss.

Not really.

People keep voting them in because they’re too stupid/lazy to research the fact the GOP keeps fucking them over.

Look at the new tax bill: it will balloon the deficit to record numbers and has a pissant middle class tax cut that expires, while granting rich people permanent cuts.

And, not that you voted for him, but look at your governor: Kasich’s just as vicious as Trump, but comes off as “rational” because he’s not an obvious mental case.

Shit, look at NJ’s last governor: Christie got tons of support from law enforcement, and he utterly fucked them over on their pensions. Yet just about every cop I know is a hard core Republican.

Honestly, the GOP is not going away because Americans are too fucking stupid to see them for what they are. We have a President who is on tape admitting to sexual assault; if that wasn’t enough for these morons, nothing will ever be.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:11:51am

re: #345 ObserverArt

It wasn’t really a trade as much as a release from the Cavs so he could go back to Miami. I read where Koby Altman, the new general manager, asked LeBron if they should do it and LeBron was good with it, so they called pat Riley in Miami and he was fine with it because everyone wanted D-Wade to be at home for retirement.

Right. At any rate, he’s back home (in a team sense, at least).

As dreaded as that Big Three was, and as much as I despise Riles for the way he bailed on the Knicks, I could never hate on those guys because they always seemed like they wanted to give back to the community down there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:12:12am
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Mattand  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:12:36am

re: #361 Dr Lizardo

The GOP in one pic:

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The first sighting of Trump in a leather thong and I’m burning this blog to the ground.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:12:49am

re: #364 Mattand

Not really.

People keep voting them in because they’re too stupid/lazy to research the fact the GOP keeps fucking them over.

Look at the new tax bill: it will balloon the deficit to record numbers and has a pissant middle class tax cut that expires, while granting rich people permanent cuts.

And, not that you voted for him, but look at your governor: Kasich’s just as vicious as Trump, but comes off as “rational” because he’s not an obvious mental case.

Shit, look at NJ’s last governor: Christie got tons of support from law enforcement, and he utterly fucked them over on their pensions. Yet just about every cop I know is a hard core Republican.

Honestly, the GOP is not going away because Americans are too fucking stupid to see them for what they are. We have a President who is on tape admitting to sexual assault; if that wasn’t enough for this morons, nothing will ever be.

I was talking about the students. The politicians are losing them.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:13:05am

Something for the Trumps to consider when their usefulness dwindles.

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:14:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:14:22am
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Mattand  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:15:11am

re: #368 ObserverArt

I was talking about the students. The politicians are losing them.

Sorry. Utterly misread that.

I’ve been on a bit of tear lately and obviously my reading comprehension needs some work.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:16:23am

re: #367 Mattand

The first sighting of Trump in a leather thong and I’m burning this blog to the ground.

The idea of Trump as Sean Connery’s ‘Zed’ character is both horrifying and hysterically funny.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:17:08am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:17:28am

re: #359 Weaselone

The entire point here is to make one feel good. It’s supposed to be an alternative to using opiates for pain control. It’s not exactly the equivalent of treating cancer with homeopathy or rejecting vaccination.

Exactly. What matters is alleviating pain. Even if it actually has no effect, if the patient thinks it does and, through some brain process we don’t understand, stops feeling pain, that is worthwhile.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:18:00am

re: #363 Hecuba’s daughter

No way there are pictures. There is no evidence that Trump has that skill. He knows how to tweet and retweet — does he know how to use the computer or his phone for any other purpose?

He got a flunky to take the pics.
/

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:18:35am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Should be fired.

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:19:49am
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Mattand  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:20:36am

re: #376 makeitstop

He got a flunky to take the pics.
/

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:20:50am

re: #347 freetoken

I’m very cautious about these wild claims.

The problem is that Ms. Daniels is not a particularly high quality source of information.

And if it is found that any alleged texts/pics are not true, then that will provide fuel for the Trumpers to claim that Trump is being persecuted.

She’s not making these claims. It’s based on how people are reading the released NDA which she didn’t write.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:20:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:23:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:24:39am

re: #343 CongoJack

Also, last time I checked children were still citizens and constituents. So good job… you just bit the hand that will sooner or later pull the voting levers in the booth.

Children are not asking for a law against homework, they would just like to be able to go home and do their homework safely

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:24:46am

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bill, that happened in the age of Obama too.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:25:39am

British investigators seem to be thinking that Skripal and his daughter may have been exposed to some kind of nerve agent.

Holy shit - that’s using a WMD, in public, for the purpose of assassination, much like the case of Kim Jong-un’s hapless brother. That’s some serious over-the-top insanity - straight-up comic-book supervillainy.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:26:33am

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trading thousands of agriculture and aircraft industry jobs for hundreds of steel and aluminum industry jobs. How did this business genius ever go bankrupt?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:26:33am

there were no fossil fuels in the mid-1800s?
who knew!

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:27:12am

re: #380 JordanRules

She’s not making these claims. It’s based on how people are reading the released NDA which she didn’t write.

It’s in the court documents for the lawsuit as well. I doubt she’d put a false claim in a legal filing.

Not every lawyer is as stupid as Says Who Cohen.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:27:37am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

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there were no fossil fuels in the mid-1800s?
who knew!

Whales weren’t fossils.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:27:56am

re: #379 Mattand

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I was going to say Ivanka but thought better of it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:28:07am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

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there were no fossil fuels in the mid-1800s?
who knew!

Yeah because coal mining wasn’t a thing in the mid 1800’s.

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:29:17am
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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:30:34am

re: #388 makeitstop

Oh! I missed that. I also might have been unconsciously trying to avoid it after the inference from the NDA was reported. Blech!!!!!

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:30:44am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

there were no fossil fuels in the mid-1800s?
who knew!

Actually, Rick, we’ve gotten pretty good at using the sun, windmills, and hydro. Far better than they were back then.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:31:59am

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

Up is down and black is white. I keep finding myself agreeing with Bill Kristol comments. What in the hell is going on?!?!?!

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:32:07am

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

Listening to a piece on NPR last Sunday; a solar energy expert was talking about the cost difference between US and Australia. The US permitting process is so outdated it treats home solar as a large power generation facility, with all the red tape appropriate for such, adding $10,000 or so to what (in Australia) is $6000 cost to power a residence. This deliberate foot-dragging by our fossil-fuel-paid politicians will keep us trailing the rest of the world.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:32:31am

re: #395 dirkdigglerjr

Up is down and black is white. I keep finding myself agreeing with Bill Kristol comments. What in the hell is going on?!?!?!

Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:35:02am
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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:35:54am
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sagehen  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:36:15am

So that Parkland high school, in addition to their excellent theater, debate and AP govt students… also has an award-winning band. They played Carnegie Hall yesterday (their trombone player was one of those killed.

They got a standing ovation, the other high school bands on the program printed up t-shirts for them that said “we band together”… but for their free day in NYC today, it’s near freezing and there’s slush falling from the sky and filling the streets. They probably didn’t get a good view of the banner put up for them in Times Square.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:37:40am
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:39:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:39:28am
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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:42:06am

I can’t wait to see what the DOJ lawsuit against California for sanctuary city/state laws is going to look like. Also, I’m going to start using the phrase “felony stupid” from now on:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:42:15am
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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:43:16am

Music break! This song is still pretty badass.

Endicott - Kid Creole and the Coconuts

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:43:37am

re: #300 wrenchwench

I thought for a minute that was my least favorite song ever. But no, this is it:

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better?

YouTube

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:45:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:48:28am

oh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:49:45am
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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:50:30am

re: #375 Hecuba’s daughter

Exactly. What matters is alleviating pain. Even if it actually has no effect, if the patient thinks it does and, through some brain process we don’t understand, stops feeling pain, that is worthwhile.

Isn’t that what some of the drugs are attempting to do anyway? They disconnect the pathways of the pain to the brain. The pain is still there, the brain is no longer receiving it.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:50:49am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

“It is like slavery what they do to those poor people.” Former workers on remote Kansas ranch tell @AP immigrants work long hours for next to nothing in order to pay back the company for smuggling them into the US

so what happens to the company, a US company, presumably a kansas company?

they are half of this transaction - in fact the instigators

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:51:22am

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:51:52am

re: #412 dangerman

so what happens to the company, a US company, presumably a kansas company?

they are half of this transaction - in fact the instigators

I will never disparage a person trying to make a living. The company owns all of this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:51:59am
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Belafon  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:53:16am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump will make an exception for the top 194 countries.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:53:16am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

“There are potential carve outs for Mexico and Canada based on national security.”
Says it’s possible there will be carve outs for others as well

Nothing means anything, and it will be different tomorrow or perhaps later in the day.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:53:17am

Ok, found the immigration complaint, this is incredibly interesting: there are two provisions of the California law that basically say that employers cannot allow access to non-public areas of the workplace or to employment records to immigration officials without a valid warrant. On employment records, that makes obvious sense - there are privacy rights at stake. I’m less sure about the non-public areas bit, but as a general rule you really shouldn’t give access to any law enforcement agency without a warrant. The DOJ claims that employers voluntarily comply with inspections but provide no actual information on how many do and how many don’t and if there is any threat of legal action if employers don’t (which means it’s not really voluntary).

They also apparently don’t like the fact that the new law allows the state AG to inspect detention facilities housing undocumented immigrants.

This is going to be a fascinating case regarding federalism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:53:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:54:30am
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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:55:16am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And so the walk-back begins…

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:55:38am

re: #413 Ace-o-aces

Dinesh D’Souza de felon.

All he does is spew nonsense and hope to get paid for it.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:56:11am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jacksonville / not my florida

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:56:15am

re: #412 dangerman

so what happens to the company, a US company, presumably a kansas company?

they are half of this transaction - in fact the instigators

That sounds like indentured servitude, which last I checked, is illegal. The companies should be fined out of existence, the officers imprisoned, and the land sold to the highest bidder to pay the workers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:56:41am

good fucking grief

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:57:03am

re: #334 Mattand

If acupuncture makes one feel good, that’s fine. But it’s not a medical treatment. There’s no evidence for bodily meridians, or qi, for that matter. It’s a placebo.

Among the other issues plaguing this country, the move towards rejecting evidence- and science-based medicine and embracing “alt” and “eastern” ones is another disaster in the making.

The war cry of the modern barbarian.

We’re too smart for science!

It works just as well in moonbat font.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:57:48am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

In other words: Mexico pays for the wall, and they don’t get slapped with tariffs. It’s an extortion racket.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2018 • 11:58:06am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

All Mexico and Canada have to do to get carve outs is completely rewrite NAFTA to allow us to sell everything to them with no tariffs and their goods have to have 3000% tariffs coming here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:00:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:01:34pm
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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:01:52pm

re: #396 jaunte

Listening to a piece on NPR last Sunday; a solar energy expert was talking about the cost difference between US and Australia. The US permitting process is so outdated it treats home solar as a large power generation facility, with all the red tape appropriate for such, adding $10,000 or so to what (in Australia) is $6000 cost to power a residence. This deliberate foot-dragging by our fossil-fuel-paid politicians will keep us trailing the rest of the world.

guns, oil, coal

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:01:57pm

re: #427 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In other words: Mexico pays for the wall, and they don’t get slapped with tariffs. It’s an extortion racket.

IIRC, I mentioned the other day that the whole tariff business seemed like a way for Trump to strong-arm the NAFTA negotiations or (failing that) have an excuse to walk away from them.

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:04:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:04:25pm

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Here here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:04:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:06:03pm

*thud*

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:06:17pm

re: #418 KGxvi

Ok, found the immigration complaint, this is incredibly interesting: there are two provisions of the California law that basically say that employers cannot allow access to non-public areas of the workplace or to employment records to immigration officials without a valid warrant. On employment records, that makes obvious sense - there are privacy rights at stake. I’m less sure about the non-public areas bit, but as a general rule you really shouldn’t give access to any law enforcement agency without a warrant. The DOJ claims that employers voluntarily comply with inspections but provide no actual information on how many do and how many don’t and if there is any threat of legal action if employers don’t (which means it’s not really voluntary).

They also apparently don’t like the fact that the new law allows the state AG to inspect detention facilities housing undocumented immigrants.

This is going to be a fascinating case regarding federalism.

I would think companies would be in control of who accesses their private property, but then IANAL. I can see protecting them from demands to let ICE do things, and I can’t imagine a company wanting to let them poke around in the back room, but making it illegal seems problematic.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:07:16pm

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*thud*

What?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:07:25pm

worker angst is as old as anything

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:08:07pm

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

Handwaving History.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:08:23pm

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Stormy Daniels case is not about Trump having an affair with a porn star shortly after his new son was born. It is about the violation of federal campaign finance laws. Important not to lose site of that. Not sleaze. Corruption.

Yes, but the only counter-spin on such a story is to compare it with Clinton/Paula Jones/Jennifer Flowers, etc., and dismiss it, quietly overlooking the fact that they impeached Clinton over a consensual BJ.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:10:23pm

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

A Fox host explains the Civil War: “When you look at the Civil War and what it was about, the way I understand it, it was about the federal government saying this, and states saying yes to that.”

This is the ultimate victory of Civil War revisionism: from “Slavery was not the only cause of the Civil War” to “Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War.”

And as we as a nation grow stupider and less historically literate, that talking point will become the standard point of view .

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:10:52pm

wait…what?
when did that happen?

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:11:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:11:46pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait…what?
when did that happen?

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She really takes “making shit up” to an insane new level doesn’t she?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:12:16pm

oh, what could possibly go wrong with this?
I bet he never leaves the hanger, probably in San Diego surrounded by military.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:13:00pm
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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:13:22pm

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

NO! Just: NO!

The Civil War was about the South losing an election to an abolitionist and losing their shit and starting a fucking war over the right to own other people. They fucking said that at the gotdam time!

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:13:31pm
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:13:50pm

@juliehdavis
Huh. Stormy Daniels complaint mentions “bogus arbitration” Trump lawyer Michael Cohen initiated against her in LA last week without informing her.

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:14:04pm

re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth

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kudlow had quite the alcohol and cocaine habit….

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:14:32pm

Fun with gun nuts.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:15:05pm

I’m not sure SHS is very good at this.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:15:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:16:16pm

re: #453 jaunte

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I’m not sure SHS is very good at this.

I’m sure. She fucking sucks.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:17:01pm

Only the best people want to work for Trump, and they’re lining up outside the building.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:18:00pm

who knew that negotiating a hush money deal needs arbitration.

was there some disagreement about the terms of the agreement? the actual dollar amount involved?

arbitration my aunt fanny.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:18:26pm
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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:18:35pm

re: #456 Dr Lizardo

And my day was made!!!!!!

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:18:47pm

re: #458 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like that hillbilly knows what the fuck arbitration means.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:18:53pm

“You didn’t show for the arbitration hearing! We win!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:19:31pm

re: #462 jaunte

“You didn’t show for the arbitration hearing! We win!”

the rage furby defense

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:21:10pm

re: #429 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN’s Jeff Zeleny: Was President Trump aware of the payment made to Stormy Daniels?

Sanders: “The President has addressed these directly and made very well clear that none of these allegations are true

none of them? even the ones based on the nda that trump’s lawyer wrote?

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:21:12pm

re: #453 jaunte

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:23:54pm

SHS appears to be trying to outdo Baghdad Bob.

Suggest that ought not be one’s career goal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:24:43pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:26:12pm

Catch y’all on the flipside. Might lurk on the ol’ iPad in the hotel later tonight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:27:07pm
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:27:22pm

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’ll make service of process much easier. /

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:28:02pm
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:28:17pm

re: #468 teleskiguy

Get thee to Yellowstone and take pictures… We demand winter Yellowstone pictures!

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:28:25pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait…what?
when did that happen?

[Embedded content]

not exactly sarah,

#29 in the complaint

For example, only days ago on or about February 27, 2018, Mr. Trump’s attorney Mr. Cohen surreptitiously initiated a bogus arbitration proceeding against Ms. Clifford in Los Angeles. Remarkably, he did so Without even providing Ms. Clifford with notice of the proceeding and basic due process.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:29:05pm

re: #468 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Catch y’all on the flipside. Might lurk on the ol’ iPad in the hotel later tonight.

Don’t die out there.

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Kragar  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:30:21pm
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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:31:00pm

re: #453 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I’m not sure SHS is very good at this.

you’re still not sure?

//// ——>

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JordanRules  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:31:01pm
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freetoken  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:31:56pm

re: #475 Kragar

I wonder if they realize for any supporter who may show up along Trump’s meandering in the state there will be far more protesters.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:32:17pm

I’m guessing he doesn’t really follow California politics that closely.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:32:22pm

Honestly, is there any way out of this for Cohen where he’s not permanently fucked?

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:33:29pm

re: #468 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Catch y’all on the flipside. Might lurk on the ol’ iPad in the hotel later tonight.

shuss

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:34:57pm

re: #479 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

I’m guessing he doesn’t really follow California politics that closely.

Neither do I, so what’s the actual context here?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:37:02pm

re: #482 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Neither do I, so what’s the actual context here?

Brown is term limited.

Also, we love the absolute shit out of that guy.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:37:27pm

Something tells me the UK investigation into the latest mysterious Russian death is going to make things increasingly awkward for Trump:

Russian spy Sergei Skripal was poisoned with nerve agent, say counter terror police

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:37:32pm

re: #482 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Neither do I, so what’s the actual context here?

California has a motor/voter law to encourage (not require-it’s opt-out, though) people to register to vote.
California issues drivers’ licenses to the undocumented. It does not encourage them to register to vote, although just like anywhere else, they could theoretically register. It would be illegal for them to do so.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:37:55pm

re: #480 goddamnedfrank

There’s no good outcome for this for Cohen (or Trump).

It’d be rather fitting if a bunch of boobs were taken down by a pair of bodacious boobs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:38:31pm

re: #486 lawhawk

There’s no good outcome for this for Cohen (or Trump).

It’d be rather fitting if a bunch of boobs were taken down by a pair of bodacious boobs.

I would imagine the law takes a dim view of intentionally trying to swindle somebody by failing to serve notice of proceedings.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:39:32pm

re: #485 calochortus

California has a motor/voter law to encourage (not require-it’s opt-out, though) people to register to vote.
California issues drivers’ licenses to the undocumented. It does not encourage them to register to vote, although just like anywhere else, they could theoretically register. It would be illegal for them to do so.

Gotcha. So they’re taking all that and twisting it into, ZOMG ILLEGALZ ARE GETTING TEH VOTE IN LIBRUL CALIFORNIA!!!!!

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:39:54pm

re: #482 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Neither do I, so what’s the actual context here?

motor voter lets you register to vote at the same time
‘illegal immigrants’ can get drivers licenses in CA
if one tried to register to vote AND IF they didn’t verify their eligibility, one could be registered (whether one actually voted….)

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plansbandc  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:40:22pm

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christ.

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:40:45pm

re: #488 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Gotcha. So they’re taking all that and twisting it into, ZOMG ILLEGALZ ARE GETTING TEH VOTE IN LIBRUL CALIFORNIA!!!!!

I’ll bet that surprises you.
/

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dangerman  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:41:11pm

re: #487 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I would imagine the law takes a dim view of intentionally trying to swindle somebody by failing to serve notice of proceedings.

its desperation

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:41:22pm

The UK is going to have to do something about former Russian spies being murdered, because other people in the UK are being affected, and no government in the UK, Tory or Labour, can sit by and let this happen.

Something has to give.

And connections to the Trump crime family may show up in whatever records or documents that can be uncovered.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:43:55pm

re: #491 calochortus

I’ll bet that surprises you.
/

I think it’s safe to say the wingnuts don’t surprise me very often. Most of the time they do surprise me is when they manage to do something that actually approaches intelligence.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:44:38pm

re: #483 goddamnedfrank

Brown is term limited.

More specifically, he has less than a year to go in his final term and has already bought a small farm he plans on retiring to. Conservatives wailing on Twitter about voting him out are basically saying “here is my knee-jerk reaction to something I know absolutely nothing about!”

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:48:10pm

re: #488 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Gotcha. So they’re taking all that and twisting it into, ZOMG ILLEGALZ ARE GETTING TEH VOTE IN LIBRUL CALIFORNIA!!!!!

Not to mention that, after complaining that these immigrants are undocumented, they’re now complaining that we are getting them documented.

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Jay C  Mar 7, 2018 • 12:50:03pm

re: #488 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Gotcha. So they’re taking all that and twisting it into, ZOMG ILLEGALZ ARE GETTING TEH VOTE IN LIBRUL CALIFORNIA!!!!!

And I’m sure that something along the lines of CRAZED LIBRUL OFFICIALS DEFY FEDERAL GUBMINT OVER CRIMINAL ILLEGAZ!!11!!1!! won’t be too far behind.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2018 • 1:32:48pm

re: #475 Kragar

“And if there are those, as I have heard, who are melting tar and collecting feathers, I will not say them nay.”


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