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Patricia Kayden  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:39:24pm

But they’re not terrorists, for some strange reason.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:41:46pm

Declaration of Trade War has now been signed.

whitehouse.gov

Very long so I won’t put it here. He (or likely his lackies) lay out the justification for steel and aluminum tariffs.

One section:

(4) Within 10 days after the date of this proclamation, the Secretary shall issue procedures for the requests for exclusion described in clause 3 of this proclamation. The issuance of such procedures is exempt from Executive Order 13771 of January 30, 2017 (Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs).

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:42:40pm

I am constantly amazed that Jack is able to muster enough brain cells to turn on his computer and post shit like this.

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Kragar  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:42:41pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

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Kragar  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:45:18pm
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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:48:33pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

Issued a trade war declaration and then passes on the actual details that make it tick.

As I suspected, Trump announced a trade war and then is hoping no one notices when he ultimately doesn’t name any actual countries he’s targeting with those tariffs.

Or, alternatively, he names them and it turns out to be counterproductive because those countries already have signaled that they’ll be targeting specific goods - like Harleys, bourbons/whiskeys, and other domestic products that are produced in red state areas.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:48:34pm

re: #5 Kragar

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But you know not deplorable.

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mmmirele  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:50:39pm

re: #5 Kragar

I’d just note the bookstore is for the Revolutionary Communists, which likes to think it is a left wing group but is actually a cult of personality surrounding their leader, Bob Avakian.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:50:44pm

The US Right has discovered that many of the political ‘benefits’ of a Nazi-style SA of violent thugs can be achieved via stochastic terrorism. The RW powers that be simply turn up their propaganda to a fever pitch, and the law of large numbers takes care of the rest.

For example, the US badly needs an anti-NRA advocacy group that aggressively goes after the NRA with the truth about what the NRA has become. But the leadership of such an anti-NRA organization would be under serious threat from randomly agitated gun nuts.

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darthstar  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:53:13pm
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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:53:40pm

LGF

My word! What an idiot. Why make such a comment without knowing the facts?

psst……………….^^^^^^

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:55:42pm
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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:57:04pm

re: #6 lawhawk

Issued a trade war declaration and then passes on the actual details that make it tick.

As I suspected, Trump announced a trade war and then is hoping no one notices when he ultimately doesn’t name any actual countries he’s targeting with those tariffs.

Or, alternatively, he names them and it turns out to be counterproductive because those countries already have signaled that they’ll be targeting specific goods - like Harleys, bourbons/whiskeys, and other domestic products that are produced in red state areas.

im tellin ya the paper he signed was blank

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:58:20pm

If only the libtards had let us arm teachers, none of this would have happened

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:58:38pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

The US Right has discovered that many of the political ‘benefits’ of a Nazi-style SA of violent thugs can be achieved via stochastic terrorism. The RW powers that be simply turn up their propaganda to a fever pitch, and the law of large numbers takes care of the rest.

For example, the US badly needs an anti-NRA advocacy group that aggressively goes after the NRA with the truth about what the NRA has become. But the leadership of such an anti-NRA organization would be under serious threat from randomly agitated gun nuts.

So, we’re turning it over to the kids.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 1:59:04pm

re: #5 Kragar

Aside from the threats to the owner and the threat to burn down the store, we see another fine example of a conservative who doesn’t know what the Flag Code is, but claims to love the flag.

Note to conservatives: You do not wear the flag as clothing, or drape it across your body.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:00:42pm

re: #15 Belafon

So, we’re turning it over to the kids.

Good for the kids, but this really shouldn’t be something that they need to do, especially when they start taking literal incoming fire from gun nuts.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:02:24pm

re: #5 Kragar

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These are the people that back Trump. He let everyone of these asses get their voice so they could be proudy ugly like this.

These are also the people the Republican politicians rely on now to keep going as a party.

I hope they are invited into all those Republican politician’s homes for a nice meal so they can elegantly discuss the problem of the day.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:02:38pm

re: #12 JordanRules

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And the wingnuts who used to sneer at foreigners weighing in on American politics will swallow this shit whole and ask for seconds.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:02:57pm

re: #8 mmmirele

I’d just note the bookstore is for the Revolutionary Communists, which likes to think it is a left wing group but is actually a cult of personality surrounding their leader, Bob Avakian.

Yeah…….I peeked over at some of their writing, and there’s definitely a strong personality cult thing going on there.

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darthstar  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:04:22pm

re: #11 dangerman

LGF

psst……………….^^^^^^

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:04:52pm

The “MAGA hat” seems well on its way to becoming iconic in the same way white hoods and shaved heads have. And for largely the same reasons.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:04:53pm

re: #17 EPR-radar

Good for the kids, but this really shouldn’t be something that they need to do, especially when they start taking literal incoming fire from gun nuts.

They shouldn’t have to, but they do have to.

Hence the “March for Our Lives.” It is very much a matter of life-and-death for students, and courage is being able to stand up and say “no farther” even if the risk is your own life.

I am sure they are quite aware of the difficulty: They have already forged a bond under fire (very much like a military formation).

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Dave In Austin  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:06:32pm
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Kragar  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:07:28pm

Fundraiser update:

We got about $430 buck from the GoFundMe I had set up, which was enough to put a down payment on a new clarinet for my youngest. We can handle the monthly payments now, so I went ahead and closed it down the campaign. Thanks to everyone who supported her.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:08:00pm

So wait…
Every country is invited to negotiate an exclusion on the tariffs?

WTF?
The opportunities for fuckery here are too much!

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:08:03pm

re: #17 EPR-radar

Good for the kids, but this really shouldn’t be something that they need to do, especially when they start taking literal incoming fire from gun nuts.

Agree. I was indicting the rest of us on that fact that we’re more cowardly than the kids. Though there are a few groups, they just don’t have the prominence of the NRA or these kids because they can’t influence elections much.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:08:57pm

Ugh. Head of USW (United Steel Workers) is on Chuck’s MTP Daily and is sounding positive about these tariffs because it will balance the playing field. And he even added that they have tried to get Democratic administrations to do things like this to force other countries to a fairer trade policy.

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:09:03pm

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

They shouldn’t have to, but they do have to.

Hence the “March for Our Lives.” It is very much a matter of life-and-death for students, and courage is being able to stand up and say “no farther” even if the risk is your own life.

I am sure they are quite aware of the difficulty: They have already forged a bond under fire (very much like a military formation).

that’s a line from the movie running scared

perp: - I don’t have to take this, man.
gregory hines / cop: You shouldn’t have to. But actually, you do.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:09:06pm

re: #26 JordanRules

So wait…
Every country is invited to negotiate an exclusion on the tariffs?

WTF?
The opportunities for fuckery here are too much!

Can you say “extortion racket,” kids?

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:10:08pm

re: #26 JordanRules

So wait…
Every country is invited to negotiate an exclusion on the tariffs?

WTF?
The opportunities for fuckery here are too much!

He’s been trying for that all along. Hopefully few will take the hook. The WTO is available to deal with this.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:10:58pm

re: #28 ObserverArt

Ugh. Head of USW (United Steel Workers) is on Chuck’s MTP Daily and is sounding positive about these tariffs because it will balance the playing field. And he even added that they have tried to get Democratic administrations to do things like this to force other countries to a fairer trade policy.

Right, tariffs will “balance the playing field” because it’ll magically make US steel competitive with foreign imports, but raising taxes on businesses won’t do anything because those businesses will just pass the costs on to their consumers.

FFS

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:12:48pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

Right, tariffs will “balance the playing field” because it’ll magically make US steel competitive with foreign imports, but raising taxes on businesses won’t do anything because those businesses will just pass the costs on to their consumers.

FFS

Everybody gets to have their red line. Trying to think of the last time the Dems gave Labor more than thoughts and prayers.

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makeitstop  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:13:11pm

re: #25 Kragar

Fundraiser update:

We got about $430 buck from the GoFundMe I had set up, which was enough to put a down payment on a new clarinet for my youngest. We can handle the monthly payments now, so I went ahead and closed it down the campaign. Thanks to everyone who supported her.

That’s great! Best of luck to her, and I hope she enjoys the new axe.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:13:37pm

Trump thinks that these tariffs are gonna force steel exporting countries to negotiate “fair” deals with us in order to get out from under the tariffs.

The reality is those countries will flip him off while raising the cost of their products, and the companies that rely upon those imports will simply pass the cost onto their customers because the cost of sourcing out the amount/quality of steel they need from US sources would be higher.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:14:27pm

The guy from USW did say they will not turn this into an election issue as they are a union and care about many issues, like healthcare, global warming, etc. So he hopes it isn’t a one issue voter thing.

But still Ugh.

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darthstar  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:14:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:14:39pm

re: #8 mmmirele

I’d just note the bookstore is for the Revolutionary Communists, which likes to think it is a left wing group but is actually a cult of personality surrounding their leader, Bob Avakian.

That may be so. Nevertheless, being physically threatened and having their business threatened with arson goes way beyond acceptable.

Note the police didn’t do anything to them either.

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:16:44pm

re: #37 darthstar

What a sad looking piece of shit he is…like he knows his starting a trade war is bad, but he already said he’d do it. If only the Democrats weren’t so right all the time…

this job is so not what he thought it would be

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:17:09pm

re: #33 Decatur Deb

Everybody gets to have their red line. Trying to think of the last time the Dems gave Labor more than thoughts and prayers.

You mean other than better health care, the opportunity for training, or tried to increase minimum wage? The problem is Democrats just won’t give a blind tease to these workers. Oh, and Obama tried something similar:

Former president Barack Obama put a tariff on Chinese tires in 2009, but it backfired, many economists say. Obama touted the 1,000 jobs saved, but the Peterson Institute says that more than 3,000 jobs were lost in other industries.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:17:44pm

re: #40 Belafon

You mean other than better health care, the opportunity for training, or tried to increase minimum wage? The problem is Democrats just won’t give a blind tease to these workers. Oh, and Obama tried something similar:

Tried, tried.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:17:48pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

Trump thinks that these tariffs are gonna force steel exporting countries to negotiate “fair” deals with us in order to get out from under the tariffs.

The reality is those countries will flip him off while raising the cost of their products, and the companies that rely upon those imports will simply pass the cost onto their customers because the cost of sourcing out the amount/quality of steel they need from US sources would be higher.

I’m no global economist but couldn’t China and maybe some other countries drop their pricing to absorb the tariff and still get their steel into this country at a profit due to their economy and labor? And if true, won’t that just turn the whole damn pissing match into nothing good for anyone?

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Belafon  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:18:39pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

Tried.

Tried. He actually implemented it, and the result was a net negative jobs.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:18:58pm

With the stroke of a pen, Trump sets out to take those “savings” he gave the poor and middle class from Wealthcare and give them to US Steel.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:20:07pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

Tried.

Come on Deb…play fair. Obama didn’t have a hands-off out of fear Republican party like Trump does. All he had was obstruction on everything.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:20:34pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

I’m no global economist but couldn’t China and maybe some other countries drop their pricing to absorb the tariff and still get their steel into this country at a profit due to their economy and labor? And is true, won’t that just turn the whole damn pissing match into nothing good for anyone?

Ayep, I wouldn’t be surprised if the net result of all this is Chinese steel and aluminum imports increase.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:20:45pm

re: #43 Belafon

Tried. He actually implemented it, and the result was a net negative jobs.

Bottom line—US workers are worse off than they were 20 years ago. Perhaps they’re experiencing economic anxiety.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:22:06pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Yeah perhaps…

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:22:20pm

i was just thinking that he’s taken all the ‘prestige’ out of the presidency, and now he’s stuck with it cause there’s no way to bail out or “sell”.

it’s similar to how these days anyone with $100 filing fee and $10 for business cards can be a “corporate CEO”. no one can see what’s behind the website

he’s really cheapened it to the point of (temporary) meaningless
he’s made a mockery of it and he doesnt even know it

he got the job and because he perverted it so much, its no longer what he wanted
he is miserable and oh so sad
what a tawdry mess

note: im not saying anything about 46’s ability to rehabilitate the thing

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:22:49pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Bottom line—US workers are worse off than they were 20 years ago. Perhaps they’re experiencing economic anxiety.

Slugs for Salt.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:23:43pm

Stumbled across this study/report of US steel production, imports, and exports. This was particularly interesting:

Since 2009, apparent consumption (a measure of steel demand) has increasingly outpaced production. The gap between demand and production increased to 19.2 million metric tons in YTD 2017. Imports have captured an increasing share of demand, as shown by the relatively high levels of import penetration in 2014, 2015, and 2016 at 34.4, 33.8, and 30.1 percent, respectively. In YTD 2017, import penetration stood at 33.3 percent, up from 29.8 percent in YTD 2016.

Demand is outpacing supply. So obviously the best way to deal with this is to make the supply even more costly.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:24:14pm

An unidentified “person of interest” is in custody in yesterday’s (? fuck if I can separate the school shootings by day anymore) “accidental negligent” school shooting homicide

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:24:24pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

Slugs for Salt.

Just be glad a couple large unions are still on the line.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:24:41pm
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The Major  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:26:14pm

re: #40 Belafon

Peterson Institute

They’re as bad as AEI and the rest of those arseholes. Remember Peterson is one one who wants to kill you Social Security….

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:26:56pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

I’m no global economist but couldn’t China and maybe some other countries drop their pricing to absorb the tariff and still get their steel into this country at a profit due to their economy and labor? And if true, won’t that just turn the whole damn pissing match into nothing good for anyone?

it might be considered dumping because the base cost of the goods would be artificially low to absorb the tariff just laid on top

(just guessing - i have no idea)

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:27:34pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

Ayep, I wouldn’t be surprised if the net result of all this is Chinese steel and aluminum imports increase.

And CHYna would love to do just that. A great way to fuck over Trump for being an asshole…and all of us along with it.

And Chuck Todd when closing that segment said “It will be interesting to hear the United Steel Workers endorse Donald Trump in 2020.”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Fuck this shit. We don’t have a damn country we have 340 million individuals looking out for themselves. I think that ruins great countries.

I’m gonna sling some plaster patch…

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BlueGrl21  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:28:33pm

The Pod Save America crew is recording a live show in Houston tonight.

The 15 year-old podcasting gamer son asked for tickets weeks ago. I am taking him tonight.

Just doing my part to radicalize our youth.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:28:49pm

re: #12 JordanRules

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:29:56pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Bottom line—US workers are worse off than they were 20 years ago. Perhaps they’re experiencing economic anxiety.

And now they think Trump has helped them and that is far from the truth. Maybe the bump in pay will pay for the replacement of their entire front suspension driving over some of the crappy roads and bridges in this country. Or, for more health insurance that gets them no coverage. Or some more wars for their kids to go to…yeah, that is the ticket!

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:29:57pm

re: #51 KGxvi

Stumbled across this study/report of US steel production, imports, and exports. This was particularly interesting:

Demand is outpacing supply. So obviously the best way to deal with this is to make the supply even more costly.

how does one accidentally “stumble” onto this?
what’s the rest of your exciting day been like?
i fixate on odd things

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:31:40pm

re: #61 dangerman

how does one accidentally “stumble” onto this?
what’s the rest of your exciting day been like?
i fixate on odd things

I was searching for stats on steel imports and exports and found what appears to be a quarterly report. “Stumbled” sounds better than “came across” or “googled and found”.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:32:00pm

re: #48 JordanRules

Yeah perhaps…

Cake - Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:32:30pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

And the wingnuts who used to sneer at foreigners weighing in on American politics will swallow this shit whole and ask for seconds.

See also Katie Hopkins and Nigel Farage at CPAC, and Piers Morgan at FOX.

They never cared about foreigners weighing in as long as they weighed in on their side.

There is nothing, literally nothing, about conservatism that is not a sham.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:33:55pm

$139K is one hell of a lot for a door. Also, Zinke is a paranoid nut who had a soundproof phone booth installed so I’m guessing the “door” job was really for a secret bullet proof panic room.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:34:37pm

re: #54 Ace-o-aces

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Are Seagal and Gorka brothers…maybe fraternal twins?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:34:48pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

And now they think Trump has helped them and that is far from the truth. Maybe the bump in pay will pay for the replacement of their entire front suspension driving over some of the crappy roads and bridges in this country. Or, for more health insurance that gets them no coverage. Or some more wars for their kids to go to…yeah, that is the ticket!

Didn’t say they are right, saying they are rightly pissed. When was the last minimum wage increase? Last support against right-to-work? Check the labor priorities in the last couple Dem platforms.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:35:54pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

And now they think Trump has helped them and that is far from the truth. Maybe the bump in pay will pay for the replacement of their entire front suspension driving over some of the crappy roads and bridges in this country. Or, for more health insurance that gets them no coverage. Or some more wars for their kids to go to…yeah, that is the ticket!

Crappy bridges: Lisco State Aid Bridge (next river crossing east of me, with photo and history at Wikipedia)

One lane, 9 ton limit. Folk routinely drive trucks and farm equipment much heavier over that bridge. When we drive over it in our car, I always feel like it’s a wonder we made it to the other side.

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darthstar  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:36:07pm

re: #54 Ace-o-aces

I heard an ad for that. Seagal’s involved? That means he’s got some Russian backers.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:36:40pm

re: #61 dangerman

how does one accidentally “stumble” onto this?
what’s the rest of your exciting day been like?
i fixate on odd things

Odd people often do!

Okay…mix some setting compound…I am.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:38:02pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

$139K is one hell of a lot for a door. Also, Zinke is a paranoid nut who had a soundproof phone booth installed so I’m guessing the “door” job was really for a secret bullet proof panic room.

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The family business is construction, specifically: door subcontractors for commercial tenant improvement work. That number is for three new pairs of doors. No amount of bullet proofing, sound proofing, or even designation of a specific log for the veneer could justify that cost. At $46k per opening, somebody bought a very nice new car, cash.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:38:58pm
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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:39:22pm

re: #62 KGxvi

I was searching for stats on steel imports and exports and found what appears to be a quarterly report. “Stumbled” sounds better than “came across” or “googled and found”.

“i was googling a recipe for “poor man’s lobster”. mine went awol. I stumbled onto this quarterly steel report, went down the rabbit hole, and you know….worse than youtube”

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:40:33pm

Ooooh, got an E-mail asking if I want to go to the county seat for “mass fatality training” for my town. Register early! Limited to thirty seats!

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:41:00pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Didn’t say they are right, saying they are rightly pissed. When was the last minimum wage increase? Last support against right-to-work? Check the labor priorities in the last couple Dem platforms.

Didn’t say you did.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:41:33pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Didn’t say they are right, saying they are rightly pissed. When was the last minimum wage increase? Last support against right-to-work? Check the labor priorities in the last couple Dem platforms.

The DNC 2016 presidential candidate called for a minimum wage increase and railed against “right-to-work” laws. Both were reflected in the party’s campaign platform at the National Convention.

I’m sorry if you didn’t hear about those.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:42:07pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Ooooh, got an E-mail asking if I want to go to the county seat for “mass fatality training” for my town. Register early! Limited to thirty seats!

Can you have a mass casualty situation without a respectable “mass”?

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:42:18pm

re: #73 dangerman

“i was googling a recipe for “poor man’s lobster”. mine went awol. I stumbled onto this quarterly steel report, went down the rabbit hole, and you know….worse than youtube”

“I heard laughter nearby, bizarre laughter, and there was Alexa….”

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:43:19pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Can you have a mass casualty situation without a respectable “mass”?

Look in the oval fucking office. I believe there is one behind the desk.

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:44:24pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Ooooh, got an E-mail asking if I want to go to the county seat for “mass fatality training” for my town. Register early! Limited to thirty seats!

causing?
preventing?
responding?

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:44:45pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

I just looked at 2008 and 2012 too. Looked pretty good there as well.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:45:26pm

I do not believe this is anywhere near the original mission statement envisioned by President Nixon

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:45:35pm

re: #71 KGxvi

The family business is construction, specifically: door subcontractors for commercial tenant improvement work. That number is for three new pairs of doors. No amount of bullet proofing, sound proofing, or even designation of a specific log for the veneer could justify that cost. At $46k per opening, somebody bought a very nice new car, cash.

Could easily be enough for a whole blast rated panic room installation including NBC HEPA filter.

All I’m saying is Zinke is fucking banana-pants and this seems exactly like the kind of stunt he’d pull.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:46:20pm

re: #15 Belafon

So, we’re turning it over to the kids.

The kids aren’t alt right.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:46:27pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Can you have a mass casualty situation without a respectable “mass”?

Our Boy Scout troop used to volunteer for mass casualty training as actors for the Civil Defense something or other in the 1970s. It was kind of fun. Make up artists would create wounds that the rescuers had to respond to. And we got sandwiches and kool-aid, because it was the 1970s and the Cold War and stuff.

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Jay C  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:47:13pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Ooooh, got an E-mail asking if I want to go to the county seat for “mass fatality training” for my town. Register early! Limited to thirty seats!

Yeah, ‘mouse: before I’d go, I really check into exactly what role in “mass fatality training” they would like you to take part in….
//

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:49:13pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

$139K is one hell of a lot for a door. Also, Zinke is a paranoid nut who had a soundproof phone booth installed so I’m guessing the “door” job was really for a secret bullet proof panic room.

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when this unravels, im betting it puts carson’s $31k “dining set” to shame
carson didnt really try to hide it - just hoped no one would notice
this here is described as a “secretary’s door”

and zinke is claiming he wasnt aware of the contract

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:49:36pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:49:48pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Isn’t this worse than Ben Carson and his $30,000 plus table? So this is how the administration spends tax payer money? Remember the outrage each time President Obama took vacations? Now we hear nothing from Conservatives on how their peeps are spending our money.

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:50:24pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I do not believe this is anywhere near the original mission statement envisioned by President Nixon

Only one year on the job, EPA has already saved American taxpayers $1 billion in regulatory costs

whether that number is true or pulled out of your ass, how many people had or will die, get hurt or sick to achieve this?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:50:30pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

The DNC 2016 presidential candidate called for a minimum wage increase and railed against “right-to-work” laws. Both were reflected in the party’s campaign platform at the National Convention.

I’m sorry if you didn’t hear about those.

“Standing up for Workers.” Page 9 of the 2012 platform, barely.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:50:38pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Sorry, it was Pruitt who had the soundproof booth installed. Zinke is the guy who couldn’t rig a fly reel correctly and has his own flag raised and lowered when he enters and leaves buildings.

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:51:17pm

re: #85 Barefoot Grin

Our Boy Scout troop used to volunteer for mass casualty training as actors for the Civil Defense something or other in the 1970s. It was kind of fun. Make up artists would create wounds that the rescuers had to respond to. And we got sandwiches and kool-aid, because it was the 1970s and the Cold War and stuff.

and kool-aid hadnt been co-opted yet

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Mike Lamb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:51:28pm

re: #72 lawhawk

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Apparently, Stormy Daniels’ lawyers can prepare a better NDA than Cohen…

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:53:06pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Sorry, it was Pruitt who had the soundproof booth installed. Zinke is the guy who couldn’t rig a fly reel correctly and has his own flag raised and lowered when he enters and leaves buildings.

it can be hard to keep straight which loon is which

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:53:09pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Wasn’t Zinke the guy who went all snowflake and said he couldn’t fly coach?

There’s almost too many assholes to keep track of these days.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:53:26pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Could easily be enough for a whole blast rated panic room installation including NBC HEPA filter.

All I’m saying is Zinke is fucking banana-pants and this seems exactly like the kind of stunt he’d pull.

I’m trying to think what would you would need to get to $46k per opening. Bullet proofing is expensive, but not that expensive. Nor would matching historical conditions. There would have to be some sort of additional security device included, and other than like a drop down blast door in addition to the standard man doors, I can’t think of what it would be.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:53:41pm

The DNC has supported minimum wage increases, has opposed “right-to-work” legislation, regularly calls for infrastructure programs, and opposes deregulation that allows companies to exploit their workers and customers to pad their pockets.

The GOP vary between opposing minimum wage increases to wondering aloud why we can’t allow employers to pay you in a loaf of bread for a day’s work, have engaged in union-busting through efforts like “right-to-work” for decades, oppose infrastructure programs because “illegals”/unions/too costly/etc, and have sold successive generations of Americans on deregulation as the cure-all for economic malaise even as its led to consolidation/job losses/predatory practices.

But sure, a photo op with some steel workers is proof that the GOP are the guy who really “care” about the plight of the American worker.//////

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:53:48pm

re: #95 dangerman

Lol. 3 seconds.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:55:35pm

re: #97 KGxvi

A secret back channel to Seychelles?

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:56:27pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:58:35pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

The DNC has supported minimum wage increases, has opposed “right-to-work” legislation, regularly calls for infrastructure programs, and opposes deregulation that allows companies to exploit their workers and customers to pad their pockets.

The GOP vary between opposing minimum wage increases to wondering aloud why we can’t allow employers to pay you in a loaf of bread for a day’s work, have engaged in union-busting through efforts like “right-to-work” for decades, oppose infrastructure programs because “illegals”/unions/too costly/etc, and have sold successive generations of Americans on deregulation as the cure-all for economic malaise even as its led to consolidation/job losses/predatory practices.

But sure, a photo op with some steel workers is proof that the GOP are the guy who really “care” about the plight of the American worker.//////

The GOP hates labor’s guts, and we hate theirs. When we had the chance, we got the Ledbetter Act, cutting up a smaller pie. Don’t be surprised if people who watch their kids have a narrower future than their own try to shop their wares a bit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:59:34pm

re: #88 JordanRules

In case anyone was wondering, that’s 9 AM Friday in Seoul

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:59:36pm

Is there a Stormy Daniels’ work with the words “Secret Back Channel” in it? Not an aficionado.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 8, 2018 • 2:59:38pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

But they’re not terrorists, for some strange reason.

Fascist Threats made 3-3-18 against Revolution Books, Berkeley “reminiscent of Nazi book burnings”

Fascist Threats made 3-3-18 against Revolution Books, Berkeley “reminiscent of Nazi book burnings”

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dangerman  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:02:16pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Lol. 3 seconds.

lgf minds…

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:02:30pm

re: #103 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

In case anyone was wondering, that’s 9 AM Friday in Seoul

This seems like a bad omen

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:03:33pm

re: #107 KGxvi

This seems like a bad omen

Dunno. Really bad news doesn’t give a lot of lead time.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:04:39pm

re: #105 Amory Blaine

Damnnit Kragar.
//(goes back to noodling)

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:05:19pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

The GOP hates labor’s guts, and we hate theirs. When we had the chance, we got the Ledbetter Act, cutting up a smaller pie. Don’t be surprised if people who watch their kids have a narrower future than their own try to shop their wares a bit.

Oh my.
Happy International Women’s Day y’all!

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:06:30pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

The GOP hates labor’s guts, and we hate theirs. When we had the chance, we got the Ledbetter Act, cutting up a smaller pie. Don’t be surprised if people who watch their kids have a narrower future than their own try to shop their wares a bit.

No offense, but I trace my root to Appalachia, I’ve seen what has happened to manufacturing and mining there through my own relations. But I still think any of them who buy into this idea that the people who’ve been screwing them for years suddenly give a fuck about them are fucked in the head.

I’m a Millenial, I’m in a spot to understand that my generation is not simply getting fucked without lube, but also with a sandpaper condom. And I don’t see these tariffs doing me any good. I’m not in the Rust Belt, I’m not going to get a job at a steel foundry. What I am going to get is further in debt as the higher costs of goods and services that will result from these tariffs eats further into my paycheck that hasn’t budged much due to Wealthcare.

But hey, Trump cares about steel workers. Good for them, I guess.//////

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:06:59pm

Had to go out to lower the flags in the village to half-staff.

governor.nebraska.gov

Nebraska Governor Pete Ricketts has ordered the flag to half staff until March 13 as a mark of respect for former Governor Charles Thone (R). Governor Thone passed away this morning at the age of ninety-four.

He was a WW2 combat officer, and served in a variety of capacities in state and Federal government, as well as veterans organisations, civic organisations, and law firms. He was also the first state governor to support Ronald Reagan’s bid to become President.

The link goes to the very long proclamation Governor Ricketts just issued.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:07:44pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Can you have a mass casualty situation without a respectable “mass”?

I don’t know, I only weigh #115. /s

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:08:21pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:09:13pm

re: #110 JordanRules

Oh my.
Happy International Women’s Day y’all!

Just sick of hearing working class labor concerns dismissed, especially when it’s phrased as a White Male Working Class. Who is pulling minimum wage jobs, or punching registers at Walmart?

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:09:18pm

re: #107 KGxvi

This seems like a bad omen

Don’t know, could be about anything.

Could be about NK.

Or, since RoK is so big into steel, maybe it’s something about tariffs.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:11:13pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Just sick of hearing working class labor concerns dismissed, especially when it’s phrased as a White Male Working Class. Who is pulling minimum wage jobs, or punching registers at Walmart?

Well, when I was at the local Wal-Mart a few days ago, it was a little old black woman with a quick wit and a ready smile.

Of course, I also noted that she was one of only a few registers open, while most of the customers were down at the self-checkout lanes. I’m sure she’s really cherishing that $1.50/hr “raise.”

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:11:53pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

What I am going to get is further in debt as the higher costs of goods and services that will result from these tariffs eats further into my paycheck …

If you were younger, you’d also get the chance to serve in one of the numerous wars that will come about from Trump’s vision of he-man international relations.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:12:44pm

re: #107 KGxvi

This seems like a bad omen

re: #116 freetoken

Don’t know, could be about anything.

Could be about NK.

Or, since RoK is so big into steel, maybe it’s something about tariffs.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:12:56pm

re: #118 freetoken

If you were younger, you’d also get the chance to serve in one of the numerous wars that will come about from Trump’s vision of he-man international relations.

Yep, while trying to raise a family on food stamps and considering taking advantage of a GI Bill that might cover a textbook.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:13:18pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

Well, when I was at the local Wal-Mart a few days ago, it was a little old black woman with a quick wit and a ready smile.

Of course, I also noted that she was one of only a few registers open, while most of the customers were down at the self-checkout lanes. I’m sure she’s really cherishing that $1.50/hr “raise.”

She’s why Labor issues are Black issues are Women’s issues.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:16:25pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So the announcement is to let Trump know what’s in the letter? And we all get to find out at the same time?

Best mid-season finale, evah!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:17:09pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I do not believe this is anywhere near the original mission statement envisioned by President Nixon

Nixon didn’t envision it. Congress passed a law in 1969 creating a Council on Environmental Quality within the office of the Presidency.

In 1970, under pressure from the public, Nixon reorganised the Executive Branch and proposed the EPA, which passed in the House and Senate. He then took credit, as conservatives do.

When EPA first began operation, members of the private sector [business] felt strongly that the environmental protection movement was a passing fad. William Ruckelshaus (first EPA director) stated that he felt pressure to show a public which was deeply skeptical about government’s effectiveness, that EPA could respond effectively to widespread concerns about pollution.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:17:43pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

Well, when I was at the local Wal-Mart a few days ago, it was a little old black woman with a quick wit and a ready smile.

Of course, I also noted that she was one of only a few registers open, while most of the customers were down at the self-checkout lanes. I’m sure she’s really cherishing that $1.50/hr “raise.”

I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve used the self-checkout lanes at Walmart.
And still have enough fingers free to flip someone a “British bird”

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:19:52pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

She’s why Labor issues are Black issues are Women’s issues.

It’s sort of foolish to say that there are labor issues and black issues and women’s issues and Latino issues and [insert group here] issues. While people may prioritize issues differently, or believe that different outcomes will benefit them, ultimately we are all in this together. Labor and management. White and black. Men and women. Rich and poor. And as Benjamin Franklin once famously said, “we must hang together… or we shall surely hang separately.”

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:20:15pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

She’s why Labor issues are Black issues are Women’s issues.

And yet she’s in the same boat as I am, about to get screwed so some steel workers can get lied to about how their jobs are “saved” or that “the playing field is leveled.”

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:23:17pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:24:32pm

re: #125 KGxvi

It’s sort of foolish to say that there are labor issues and black issues and women’s issues and Latino issues and [insert group here] issues. While people may prioritize issues differently, or believe that different outcomes will benefit them, ultimately we are all in this together. Labor and management. White and black. Men and women. Rich and poor. And as Benjamin Franklin once famously said, “we must hang together… or we shall surely hang separately.”

That’s why I still work for Dem candidates, though the actions I most want are on Page 9, and don’t make it to the floor.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:27:15pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:29:09pm

Nearly 700 Cabela’s employees in Sidney volunteer for buyouts; 300 will leave this week (goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link):

About 300 Cabela’s employees in Sidney have taken Bass Pro’s buyout offer as the outdoors retailer winds down the headquarters operation in Nebraska. They will leave the company this week.

Nearly 400 more Cabela’s workers also “volunteered to exit,” Bass Pro said Thursday, but the company is postponing any action on those people until it determines its needs and what opportunities could be available in Sidney or elsewhere.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:32:26pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

The format I looked at didn’t even have page numbers so I’m not sure how much the Dems care about my issues.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:33:25pm

re: #122 KGxvi

Apparently it’s an invite to meet with Jong Un.

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darthstar  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:33:53pm
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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:34:38pm

Huh, wikipedia is telling me that Ted Lieu hasn’t declared whether he’s seeking re-election. And I can’t seem to find any information on line as to whether or not he’s filed his nomination papers - which are apparently due by tomorrow.

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EPR-radar  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:34:53pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Sorry, it was Pruitt who had the soundproof booth installed. Zinke is the guy who couldn’t rig a fly reel correctly and has his own flag raised and lowered when he enters and leaves buildings.

It’s so hard to keep these fuckwits straight. They are all fucked up in different ways, and there’s a real tendency for it all to look like a fuckwit singularity.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:34:58pm

If you’re interested, Bass Pro Shops took out an advert in today’s Wall Street Journal offering the giant Cabela’s campus in Sidney for rent to a business for $1 a year. The property is worth tens of millions of dollars.

Bass Pro Shops says that they are concerned that the City of Sidney (population 6,000) will be adversely affected by the massive job cuts as they move the corporate headquarters to Springfield, Missouri. They say they are contacting their vendors about locating business in Sidney to help assuage the massive job losses.

Sidney is sixty miles south of my home. A lot of people around here are employed by Cabela’s in Sidney or their satellite storage facility in Oshkosh (population 800).

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fern01  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:35:36pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

The issuance of such procedures is exempt from Executive Order 13771 of January 30, 2017 (Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs).

So trump has to excuse himself from his own executive order to implement his proclamation - demonstrating that there are rules for others and rules for trump.

Amazed that someone checked enough to realize this needed to be included

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:35:49pm

re: #132 lawhawk

Apparently it’s an invite to meet with Jong Un.

That should lower the real estate value of any conference hall.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:36:12pm

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

So, the 500 job gain that one of those steel manufacturers was touting today is offset by 300 job losses at Cabela’s/Bass via attrition/consolidation and another 400 quickly approaching.

Yeah, that Trump tax scam is really working.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:36:49pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

That should lower the real estate value of any conference hall.

There’s a low budget comedy to be made based on Trump and Kim meeting face to face in a room.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:37:28pm

Sundown, so off to walk the dog. Three more days until Daylight Savings screws this up again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:37:29pm

re: #131 JordanRules

The format I looked at didn’t even have page numbers so I’m not sure how much the Dems care about my issues.

What are these “pages” of which you speak? A survey? I can’t even get my county party to acknowledge my existence, and I am the only Democrat holding office in the whole Panhandle.

The state party sends me E-mail updates. The national party might as well be on another planet.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:37:49pm

re: #134 KGxvi

Huh, wikipedia is telling me that Ted Lieu hasn’t declared whether he’s seeking re-election. And I can’t seem to find any information on line as to whether or not he’s filed his nomination papers - which are apparently due by tomorrow.

Ok, apparently the California Democratic Party endorsed him at the convention a couple weeks ago, so apparently he is still running. Just seems really weird that he hasn’t even sent out a press release.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:41:06pm

re: #139 lawhawk

So, the 500 job gain that one of those steel manufacturers was touting today is offset by 300 job losses at Cabela’s/Bass via attrition/consolidation and another 400 quickly approaching.

Yeah, that Trump tax scam is really working.

Well, to be fair to both Cabela’s and Bass Pro Shops, this deal has been in the works for a long time. It was finalised before Trump took office. The buyout plans and move have also been planned for a long time.

This is more of the usual corporate consolidation stuff that’s been going on for decades. Cabela’s was a privately-owned business, and the family wanted to get out of the business. They put their business up for sale, and Bass Pro Shops gave them the best deal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:43:41pm

re: #8 mmmirele

I’d just note the bookstore is for the Revolutionary Communists, which likes to think it is a left wing group but is actually a cult of personality surrounding their leader, Bob Avakian.

The same people who showed up in Ferguson and incited violence during the protests.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:47:15pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

Not intending to disparage your region, but the panhandle of Nebraska is not really a draw.

It’s going to be hard to make up for those lost jobs.

If America, and Nebraskans, had a more pro-active and positive view of government, there are probably many activities that could be performed quite well in the region, and a few tens of millions of tax dollars dropped in to stimulate change might do great things.

But that’s not how things are done in 2018, unless you are already a billionaire and can buy a Congressman to be pro-active on your account.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:47:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:47:31pm

re: #143 KGxvi

Ok, apparently the California Democratic Party endorsed him at the convention a couple weeks ago, so apparently he is still running. Just seems really weird that he hasn’t even sent out a press release.

There is nothing on his campaign Website either, though the page shows a very long list of endorsements for the election.

tedlieu.com

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:47:39pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Sundown, so off to walk the dog. Three more days until Daylight Savings screws this up again.

Just hide the clocks from your dog.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:48:28pm

re: #13 dangerman

im tellin ya the paper he signed was blank

filled with Lorem Ipsum

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:48:43pm

I think LGF contributors nailed this a long time ago (thread):

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:50:30pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

There is nothing on his campaign Website either, though the page shows a very long list of endorsements for the election.

tedlieu.com

Well, if he doesn’t file by 5 pm tomorrow, maybe I’ll file in the extended period (his district is right next to mine and I spend a lot of time there anyway). But I’m guessing since the state party endorsed him, and he’s carried the district by 2-1 margins in his past runs, he’s probably running.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:50:58pm

OK, color me surprised

“… Attorney General Jeff Landry’s lawsuit accuses the Vermilion Parish School Board and its members of violating the state’s Open Meetings Law by stifling public debate at the Jan. 8 meeting. …”

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:51:25pm

re: #151 Barefoot Grin

I think LGF contributors nailed this a long time ago (thread):

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Yep but it’s good to see someone prominent like Joy sees that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:51:29pm

re: #146 freetoken

Not intending to disparage your region, but the panhandle of Nebraska is not really a draw.

It’s going to be hard to make up for those lost jobs.

If America, and Nebraskans, had a more pro-active and positive view of government, there are probably many activities that could be performed quite well in the region, and a few tens of millions of tax dollars dropped in to stimulate change might do great things.

But that’s not how things are done in 2018, unless you are already a billionaire and can buy a Congressman to be pro-active on your account.

Well, it’s still cheap to live here, and there are lots more cattle than people, if that matters.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:52:36pm

re: #151 Barefoot Grin

Ana Marie Cox was on Pod Save America after CPAC and said that it was very different this year. That the freak flags were flying high. In years past while there might have been white nationalists/supremacists they were at least self conscious enough to be embarrassed, this year, not so much.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:52:50pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

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That’s crazy. And man Earhart was amazing. I’d be petrified to fly a plane period let alone what she did.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:56:40pm

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

Well, it’s still cheap to live here, and there are lots more cattle than people, if that matters.

Well, I used to buy cow manure to put on my roses; that was my help to the cattle industry.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:59:14pm

re: #151 Barefoot Grin

I think LGF contributors nailed this a long time ago (thread):

I’ve never seen a conservatism any different than described in my whole life. All Trump did was take out the dog whistles (Lee Atwater’s ni*clang statement).

Buckley was arguing for apartheid in South Africa and Jim Crow in the USA.

American Prospect is simply telling what I’ve known all my life. Military supporters really chickenhawks, fiscal conservatives really libertarians, moral concerns really theocrats.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:59:56pm
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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 3:59:59pm

Apparently like CBS did for its streaming service, offering a new Star Trek to tempt subscribers, Disney (revealed by Iger today as subservient to Trump) is going to offer a Star Wars series to tempt people to try out their new streaming service:

‘Star Wars’ returning to TV with Jon Favreau at the helm

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Citizen K  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:02:35pm

re: #105 Amory Blaine

Fascist Threats made 3-3-18 against Revolution Books, Berkeley “reminiscent of Nazi book burnings”

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But reminder that folks on college campuses protesting against certain speakers is somehow the greatest most threatening fascism in the history of ever and proves that liberals are the real Nazis. And if you try and point out how absurd that is, you’re guilty of the worst whataboutism ever, and need to be punched to death for infringing on the rights of folks to preach that minorities and immigrants need to be persecuted to death….

I fucking hate fucking everything so fucking much and it’s never-fucking-ending.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:03:15pm
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Jay C  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:05:14pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

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Odd: if they (who?) have any “remains”, i.e., bones, (however sturdy or delicate) that they suspect might be Amelia Earhart’s: can’t these be tested using modern DNA analysis against any living relatives? I know Amelia didn’t have any children (and only one sibling, AFAICT) - but there should be enough contemporary Earharts (of some degree of connection) around to do a useful comparison.

After all, if they could identify the remains of King Richard III after 500+ years and 18 (?) generations removed, Amelia Earhart ought to be easy…

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:05:43pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

The same people who showed up in Ferguson and incited violence during the protests.

This is a very concerning take on this - implying that the political views of the bookstore owners somehow makes the threats okay.

I don’t care if the bookstore was selling copies of the Communist Manifesto and had statues of Lenin and Marx throughout the location. Making terroristic threats to stop a Constitutionally protected activity is NEVER acceptable, and those two doing so should be prosecuted. If the store itself is engaging in illegal activity, then report it for investigation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:06:42pm

re: #162 Citizen K

Conservatism has always been thus. Different people, different labels, same authoritarianism. It is the same in every nation, in every time period.

If it had something worthwhile to pitch, it would pitch that. Since it can’t, it must indoctrinate and use propaganda. It requires worshipers (conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed), it has religious leaders (Goldwater, Reagan, Trump), it has holy books that are misinterpreted (Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations), it has a relentless evil enemy (liberals), it relies on tradition.

It is a religion. You must accept conservatism on faith.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:07:21pm

Isn’t the RoK statement happening right now?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:08:09pm

lolwut
Oh it’s Ms. Clueless, nevermind.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:08:57pm

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

lolwut
Oh it’s Ms. Clueless, nevermind.

[Embedded content]

She said “Only God can judge.”

I hate that shit.

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MsJ  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:09:43pm

My heart fucking breaks. 🤮

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plansbandc  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:09:45pm

How about a little bingo in honor of Women’s Day?

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:10:49pm

National Racists Online are, of course, creationists too:

Darwinist Wants Us to Create ‘Humanzee’

They’re publishing DiscoTute propaganda.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:10:58pm

How about THE DUMBEST “INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY” TWEET OF THE DAY

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wrenchwench  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:11:07pm

re: #163 freetoken

Indiana Republicans at it again:

WOMEN WHO EXPERIENCE ANXIETY AFTER GETTING AN ABORTION COULD BE REPORTED TO STATE UNDER INDIANA BILL

‘Abortions may be legal, but they shall rePence their behavior.’

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:11:58pm

Jim Wright trying to educate people on his Twitter timeline on how conservative trolling works on Twitter, by demonstrating the tactics being used by one to deflect from his gun violence tweets today. (On my computer, they read up from this one, but are not threaded. He has screen captures of each tweet put to him - I presume in case the tweets are later deleted.)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:12:16pm

re: #149 Barefoot Grin

Just hide the clocks from your dog.

You laugh. He’s keyed to the quitting-time traffic in the neighborhood, gets antsy around 5 PM.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:12:24pm

re: #164 Jay C

Odd: if they (who?) have any “remains”, i.e., bones, (however sturdy or delicate) that they suspect might be Amelia Earhart’s: can’t these be tested using modern DNA analysis against any living relatives? I know Amelia didn’t have any children (and only one sibling, AFAICT) - but there should be enough contemporary Earharts (of some degree of connection) around to do a useful comparison.

After all, if they could identify the remains of King Richard III after 500+ years and 18 (?) generations removed, Amelia Earhart ought to be easy…

They don’t have the bones anymore, per NPR’s story:

He took a closer look at data gathered in 1940 from skeletal remains recovered by a British expedition to Nikumaroro. The British found a human skull, humeri and radii (both arm bones), a tibia and fibula from the lower leg and two femurs (thigh bones). The bones were sent to Fiji, where they were examined and measured by physician D.W. Hoodless.

But the bones themselves are long gone. After Hoodless examined them, and determining them to be from a stocky European male, they disappeared. The assumption is that either he or someone else in Fiji discarded them.

They reached this new conclusion by re-examining the measurements on record.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:12:27pm

re: #160 JordanRules

Ahhhh. The classics.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:13:55pm

So Kim Jong-un wants to meet with Trump.

Is that the whole story?

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:14:44pm

re: #179 freetoken

So Kim Jong-un wants to meet with Trump.

Is that the whole story?

Wrestlemania 34, steel cage match, with the president of South Korea chained to the outside of the cage.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:16:03pm

re: #180 KGxvi

Wrestlemania 34, steel cage match, with the president of South Korea chained to the outside of the cage.

Somebody warn the ladies with the round cards.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:17:17pm

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

How about THE DUMBEST “INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY” TWEET OF THE DAY

Who got off the Titanic on the lifeboats? First class passengers, not women and children first.

[seaman pedant hat on] It has no basis in maritime law. It first appeared in 1852 when the HMS Birkenhead was evacuated (a Royal Navy troopship).

The actual maritime procedure is to help the most vulnerable first, regardless of age or gender. [/pedant]

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:17:20pm

re: #180 KGxvi

Wrestlemania 34, steel cage match, with the president of South Korea chained to the outside of the cage.

Have the President of RoK in a bird cage hung above the ring?

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:18:04pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Somebody warn the ladies with the round cards.

I’m fairly certain Nia Jax and Tamina Snuka could handle themselves against Trump and Kim

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:18:20pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

Ayep, I wouldn’t be surprised if the net result of all this is Chinese steel and aluminum imports increase.

I’m thinking that it might be worthwhile to start taking stuff to the recycling center again. Bottom dropped out of both of them in recent times and it wasn’t worth the cost of fuel.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:19:06pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

Who got off the Titanic on the lifeboats? First class passengers, not women and children first.

[seaman pedant hat on]It has no basis in maritime law. It first appeared in 1852 when the HMS Birkenhead was evacuated (a Royal Navy troopship).

The actual maritime procedure is to help the most vulnerable first, regardless of age or gender.[/pedant]

The Titanic didn’t carry enough pianos.

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:19:28pm

re: #183 freetoken

Have the President of RoK in a bird cage hung above the ring?

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I’m just worried that Kim will want Xi as a special guest referee, and nothing good comes from having a special guest referee.

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CarolJ  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:20:46pm

re: #164 Jay C Having a solid build was probably a necessity in order to take the pounding of that sort of flying. To the extent it looks otherwise, there may have been some photo tricks to make her look thinner, not to mention that she probably lost weight between flights.

In any event, I hope it is her remains-she can be laid properly to rest.

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Jay C  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:20:55pm

re: #177 KGxvi

They don’t have the bones anymore, per NPR’s story:

They reached this new conclusion by re-examining the measurements on record.

And (as a thought which occurred to me a minute or so after posting # 164): might they not have been Fred Noonan’s??? - Or, equally likely, somebody totally unrelated? Too bad the evidence is lost: DNA has solved a lot of historical “mysteries”.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:21:28pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

Oh, I’m totally aware of that - Trump wants to take credit for all business deals done at any time that conclude on his watch (see Carrier). Therefore it’s fair game to lump this with those.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:21:49pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:23:57pm

re: #191 JordanRules

And now for the Debbie Downer view… :/

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KGxvi  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:24:13pm

re: #189 Jay C

And (as a thought which occurred to me a minute or so after posting # 164): might they not have been Fred Noonan’s??? - Or, equally likely, somebody totally unrelated? Too bad the evidence is lost: DNA has solved a lot of historical “mysteries”.

The prevailing theory at the time was that they had crashed in the open ocean. There had also apparently been a shipwreck near the island with 35 lost. There’s actually a lot of interesting bits in that story - apparently there was a belief that Earhart was a couple inches taller than she actually was, which would have led the examiner to determine that the bones weren’t hers because it would have thrown off the measured ratios.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:25:14pm

re: #183 freetoken

Have the President of RoK in a bird cage hung above the ring?

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Roller derby or GTFO.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:26:00pm

Kim’s not giving up anything.

Admiral Ackbar - “It’s A Trap!”

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:26:04pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

That’s crazy. And man Earhart was amazing. I’d be petrified to fly a plane period let alone what she did.

I think I have mentioned this in the past around here, but the first woman to actually complete the around-the-world flight was from Columbus. I worked for her husband in a tech ad agency he owned. I got all the details many times when Russ and I would go to lunch together.

Even though this was many years after Earhart, it was still a very daunting task. They removed the rear seat and put in place a huge extra fuel tank. The damn plane was a bomb. You can see the tank in the image of her plane hanging in the Smithsonian Museum at the wiki page linked below.

She was a very small woman and very quiet. If you saw her and spoke with her you would never think she was the first woman to fly around the world.

Wiki - Jerrie Mock

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:26:05pm

re: #192 Interesting Times

Mine wasn’t the upper, just a summary.

Some more to ponder…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:26:58pm

re: #192 Interesting Times

And now for the Debbie Downer view… :/

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Might be a good thing. The trouble is that the NK negotiate very much like Trump. No deal is ever finished, and bullshit is just the coin of the realm.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:28:26pm

re: #173 The Vicious Babushka

How about THE DUMBEST “INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY” TWEET OF THE DAY

As far as firefighting goes, I can’t say definitively about civilian firefighting, but if it works the way it did when I did that in the Navy, firefighters rescue people as they encounter them.

It’s not: Oh, you’re a man. We’ll leave you here while we go look for women and children.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:28:33pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Right. I’m interested in what happens following the goofy meeting.

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Jay C  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:29:52pm

re: #191 JordanRules

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I dunno: something is carrying a weeks-old-rotten-carrion-in-the-swamp odor here: after a whole year+ of belligerent tough-talk about NK from the Trump out White House, and equally belligerent fuck-you responses from the Norks, suddenly it’s all “let’s talk”??

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Interesting Times  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:32:55pm

re: #200 JordanRules

Right. I’m interested in what happens following the goofy meeting.

Set aside the blatant sociopathy and narcissism they both share, then ask yourself this:

Who is smarter and more knowledgeable?

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:33:54pm

I wonder if NYT or WaPo have any scoops on deck.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:36:29pm

re: #202 Interesting Times

Set aside the blatant sociopathy and narcissism they both share, then ask yourself this:

Who is smarter and more knowledgeable?

Going with Kim. If he weren’t smart he’d be long dead.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:36:51pm

re: #202 Interesting Times

Trump is also usually a big ass coward when face to face with folks.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:37:37pm

re: #205 JordanRules

It’s never going to happen.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:37:49pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

I wonder if Trump got Vlad’s permission?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:37:52pm

To celebrate International Women’s Day, Mississippi just passed a forced birther bill.

bipartisan-report.com

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Interesting Times  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:38:21pm

re: #205 JordanRules

Trump is also usually a big ass coward when face to face with folks.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:38:25pm

re: #206 Ace Rothstein

It’s never going to happen.

Ahhh… so you’re going with the-world-ends-before-May scenario too?

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:38:39pm

re: #207 freetoken

He’s gotta be involved somehow no?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:39:10pm

re: #210 freetoken

No, I’m going with there is no way in hell they ever meet. Trump is the fish and he knows it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:39:24pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:39:57pm

re: #207 freetoken

I wonder if Trump got Vlad’s permission?

You mean orders.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:40:04pm

re: #206 Ace Rothstein

It’s never going to happen.

Probably not. I’ve been around the table at Panmunjom. Thousands of people died in the months they debated the height of toy flags.

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:40:05pm

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

All the world is a stage, someone once wrote.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:40:18pm

re: #213 The Vicious Babushka

And incorrectly thinking one of his props’ father was dead.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:41:58pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:42:15pm

re: #207 freetoken

I wonder if Trump got Vlad’s permission?

Wouldn’t surprise me if they met in Vladivostok.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:45:04pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:45:24pm
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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:46:16pm

Trump agrees to a meeting that North Korea proposed.

Jong Un knows crazy better than Trump. Jong Un and the North Koreans have been doing the rogue nation thing for a long time and know how to manipulate someone like Trump.

At the same time, Trump is too proud to even consider not doing this meeting. There’s a reason we’ve been doing Six Party Talks with North Korea for years and it raises Jong Un’s stature to an equal with that of Trump. Why would Trump do that?

Oh wait - because ego.

Trump thinks this helps him.

If talks fail to occur, Trump’s ego wont handle it and he’ll lash out.
If talks occur and fail, Trump’s going to blame North Korea no matter what, even when it’s reported that Trump couldn’t talk his way out of a paper bag and the great negotiator failed once again when it counts.

Trump has no one in his admin who can do this negotiation and diplomatic work. No one knows what they’re doing. And no one is pointing out the risks of this meeting. Because not a single person wants to risk Trump’s wrath.

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Dizzy  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:46:52pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:48:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:48:53pm

re: #212 Ace Rothstein

No, I’m going with there is no way in hell they ever meet. Trump is the fish and he knows it.

Mr. I make the greatest deals? Not a chance he knows diddly.

Perhaps if we had an ambassador in South Korea… .

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:50:41pm
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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:50:46pm
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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:52:51pm
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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:53:04pm

re: #227 JordanRules

I need a wall chart to keep all the actors sorted.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:53:37pm

Fox is playing this as though Jong Un blinked.

Really?

The entire US and regional allies made it a precondition that NK had to drop their nuke program before they would ever consider 1-on-1 talks.

Trump just vaporized that in less time than it took for David Denisson to sign an NDA with another porn star.

Jong Un is playing Trump like a cheap guitar.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:55:33pm

re: #227 JordanRules

Trump has only the best people around him. The BEST.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:55:54pm

So North Korea gets bumped up from “basketcase” to “US equal” in the space of an afternoon. Whatever leverage we had to force Kim to do away with his nukes just evaporated.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:56:08pm

Someone ask President-in-Waiting Pence if he’ll talk to NK.

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CarolJ  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:56:37pm

One thing seems clear to me: North and South Korea have decided, like the rest of the world, to work around Trump. Trump’s visit is going to be for show only, and a way to delay and flatter him.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 8, 2018 • 4:59:11pm
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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:00:00pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:01:02pm

re: #229 freetoken

I need a wall chart to keep all the actors sorted.

Rachel Maddow noted on Twitter she’s going to need to broadcast from an octagon studio to keep track of all the resignations/firings on her charts …

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:01:30pm

North Korea has a GDP of roughly half of Vermont - the lowest GDP state in the nation. Kim gains legitimacy for his country by bringing the U.S. to the table. He’s no fool. Kim was educated in Switzerland and knows all too well what happened to countries that gave up nuclear programs. All that comes out of this is Trump looking like an idiot and a greater chance of conflict prior to the midterm elections.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:04:22pm
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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:05:08pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:05:33pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:06:37pm

And Kim didn’t have to anything to get this meeting. No moratorium on testing, no dismantling of nukes or ICBMs, no promises or concessions. All he had to do was offer a meeting where they would discuss those topics and Trump came running. That totally deflates any attempts that “serious” pundits will make to portray this as a “win” for Trump. Kim gives nothing away and scores a one-on-one meeting with the POTUS. As noted earlier, Obama just had to suggest he’d be open to a meeting with Dinnerjacket and the press blew a collective fuse.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:08:44pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

And Kim didn’t have to anything to get this meeting. No moratorium on testing, no dismantling of nukes or ICBMs, no promises or concessions. All he had to do was offer a meeting where they would discuss those topics and Trump came running. That totally deflates any attempts that “serious” pundits will make to portray this as a “win” for Trump. Kim gives nothing away and scores a one-on-one meeting with the POTUS. As noted earlier, Obama just had to suggest he’d be open to a meeting with Dinnerjacket and the press blew a collective fuse.

Fox News is totally running with this is a win for Trump.

Trump just stuck a shiv in the side of US national security. Check that, he stuck another shiv in the side of US national security.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:09:57pm

Yep. It has been a dimension that has disgusted since my first trip and meeting with both these Japanese and Americans. ETA: I need to say that I’m posting this because I also have a deep connection to Japan that in no way reflects this in the people I know and am now related to.

White supremacists and Japan: A love story
BY DEBITO ARUDOU
MAR 7, 2018

The Washington Post reported something interesting on Feb. 14: A farm in Virginia put up a sign saying “Resist white supremacy.” And it incurred a surprising amount of online backlash.

Calls for boycotts. Accusations and recriminations. One-star Facebook reviews that had nothing to do with their products.

The article pondered: Who, other than a white supremacist, would object to a message rejecting white supremacy?

But if you’ve ever protested racism in Japan, or read comments sections in Japanese media, you’ll know these reactions have been old hat for nearly two decades.

In fact, this column will argue that online intolerance and attack have been Japan exports.

First, let’s talk about the old hat. It’s been well established in both articles and lawsuits that Japan’s online bullying is rife (see “2channel, the bullies’ forum,” JBC, Feb. 3, 2009), with people libeled and doxxed, and many a personal and professional life destroyed.

But it’s not limited to Japanese-language forums. Anyone critical of Japan gets it, and in English, too.

For example, my blog recently critiqued a Japan Times article on the internationalization of Japan’s youth (“Coming of age: 1 in 8 new adults in Tokyo are not Japanese”). As usual, somebody trolled:

“Why is this a good thing? Japan needs to stay Japanese. Keep your Leftist, neo-Marxist ideology out of Japan. Japan does not want to go down the same Leftist road as Canada, UK, Europe, etc. Japan must remain an ethnostate. Keep the poz (HIV-positive) out. We see how that it’s destroying the West. Multiculturalism and diversity are a cancer, and I hope to never see it in Japan.”

This supremacist bile is common in the Oort cloud of online haters — the habitues of message boards such as 4chan and Reddit, who swarm, thrive and mobilize in anonymous echo chambers.

Like their Japanese counterparts, they consider the racial “other” the enemy, and find inspiration in Japan both as an online community (4chan is in fact the English version of 2chan, and is owned by 2chan’s founder) and, as noted above, as an “ethnostate.”

Consider the notable white supremacists who are Japan fanboys:

Jared Taylor, author and guru of America’s so-called alt-right, is a fluent speaker of Japanese, born in Kobe to missionary parents and schooled in Japan until high school. A self-described white separatist, he believes Japan will be more successful this century than mongrel America due to its “racial and cultural homogeneity.”

Richard Spencer, the white supremacist leader who coined the term “alt-right,” advocates America’s “peaceful ethnic cleansing” into a “white ethnostate.” Cloaking ethno-superiority as “identitarianism” (which means, “you identify with your race, with your people, with your culture”), his spokesman claimed, “Everyone in Japan is an identitarian.”

William Daniel Johnson, chairman of the white nationalist American Freedom Party, wrote a book (and a proposed constitutional amendment) advocating the deportation of all nonwhites from America. Majoring in Japanese in college, he is fluent in the language after his Mormon mission in Tohoku, and prospers under what The Guardian calls “an uncanny connection between Japan and white nationalism in America.”

Even mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, the neo-Nazi who killed 69 people at a Labor Party island youth retreat in 2011, is an ardent Japanophile. In his manifesto, he specifically praised Japan as “a model country” for avoiding multiculturalism.

Supremacists see Japan as a viable national alternative, not only because Japan can get away with policies that embed racism and keep immigrants out, but also, more importantly, because Japan gets the acceptance and respect of other rich countries regardless.

Japan’s incubators of hate have returned the favor, offering templates for supremacists worldwide to convert their trolling into real political power.

Steve Bannon, the engineer of Donald Trump’s successful presidential election strategy, is another Japan fan. He was here last December at the Japanese Conservative Political Action Conference, proclaiming Prime Minister Shinzo Abe the pioneer of Trumpism — “Trump before Trump.”

According to Joshua Green, in his bestselling book “Devil’s Bargain,” Bannon harnessed the power of online white male hate, “a rolling tumbleweed of wounded male id and aggression.” Recruiting “rootless white males” from the online gaming community into propaganda outlet Breitbart (the “crown jewel of the alt-right’s media universe”), he is now spearheading an international racist social movement.

These rootless white males find succor in Japan. They enjoy one of the world’s largest gaming communities. They are taken in by narratives of subservient women digging white men (The New York Times opined that “exclusively dating Asian women is practically a white-nationalist rite of passage”). And in the land of the hikikomori (extreme antisocial recluses), they find a society making allowances for awkward, introverted people who communicate best without ever leaving their room.

They also find purpose. As noted above, if anyone is critical of Japan’s nerd terrarium, they pile on, like white samurai. Even though by doing so, they encourage the discrimination that affects them adversely.

The white samurai now join the ranks of the other historical figures who have defended Japan from charges of institutionalized racism.

They join the academics, who are compelled (by the “chrysanthemum club” old guard who explain away Japan’s racism as misunderstood cultural foibles, and by the Japanese institutions that fund their departments) to stick to talking about the “nice things” about Japan.

They join the international diplomats and businessmen who seek to preserve “the relationship,” and prioritize trade over human rights….. (more on the linked article).

japantimes.co.jp

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:10:06pm

And Kim waited until Dotard was under lots of pressure before he made the ego play.

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Semper Fi  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:10:25pm

I figure Kim Jong Un will play this to the hilt knowing Trump is desperate for some ‘real’ achievement to brag about. Any positive agreement may come at heavy cost to the USA before NK reneges.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:11:25pm

re: #243 lawhawk

Fox News is totally running with this is a win for Trump.

Trump just stuck a shiv in the side of US national security. Check that, he stuck another shiv in the side of US national security.

Of course they’re running this as a win. I haven’t checked the coverage, but I’m sure they’re portraying this as a sign of Trump’s “strength.” We rattled the saber so much that Kim came running to the table to negotiate with Trump. Just totally rewrite decades of US-NK relations to portray Trump as the first guy to get a Kim to meet with him one-on-one. That this is North Korea so afraid of being attacked that they want talks with Trump.

And their audience is gonna lap that shit up like it was buttermilk.

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:12:52pm

re: #220 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Imagine the parade Trump is going to demand after this trip.

Monthly, probably.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:14:01pm

re: #248 Skip Intro

Imagine the parade Trump is going to demand after this trip.

Monthly, probably.

Not to mention the constant bragging on Twitter about it.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:14:28pm

re: #240 lawhawk

If Trump does indeed meet with Kim Jong Un, he would be the first sitting US president to meet with a North Korean leader. apne.ws

Maybe there was a reason for that.

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Skip Intro  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:14:37pm

re: #222 lawhawk

Trump agrees to a meeting that North Korea proposed.

Jong Un knows crazy better than Trump. Jong Un and the North Koreans have been doing the rogue nation thing for a long time and know how to manipulate someone like Trump.

At the same time, Trump is too proud to even consider not doing this meeting. There’s a reason we’ve been doing Six Party Talks with North Korea for years and it raises Jong Un’s stature to an equal with that of Trump. Why would Trump do that?

Oh wait - because ego.

Trump thinks this helps him.

If talks fail to occur, Trump’s ego wont handle it and he’ll lash out.
If talks occur and fail, Trump’s going to blame North Korea no matter what, even when it’s reported that Trump couldn’t talk his way out of a paper bag and the great negotiator failed once again when it counts.

Trump has no one in his admin who can do this negotiation and diplomatic work. No one knows what they’re doing. And no one is pointing out the risks of this meeting. Because not a single person wants to risk Trump’s wrath.

Aren’t you forgetting Jared?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:15:48pm
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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:18:08pm

re: #252 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’d rather he not use Twitter at all and only have the Office of the President tweet.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:18:30pm

re: #252 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Maybe Trump should just mute himself. The world would be a safer place.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:21:54pm

The Freepers are (what else?) engaged in a massive circle jerk about how Trump has got KIm by the balls and is going to come out of all this way better than any past president. Gonna solve the “North Korea problem” before his first term in office is up. And (shocker) accusing the press of “downplaying” the enormity of this “win” when they’d totally be nominating Obama for a Nobel Peace Prize before the meeting has even happened.

Kim must be laughing his ass off right about now.

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Weaselone  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:22:39pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

And Kim didn’t have to anything to get this meeting. No moratorium on testing, no dismantling of nukes or ICBMs, no promises or concessions. All he had to do was offer a meeting where they would discuss those topics and Trump came running. That totally deflates any attempts that “serious” pundits will make to portray this as a “win” for Trump. Kim gives nothing away and scores a one-on-one meeting with the POTUS. As noted earlier, Obama just had to suggest he’d be open to a meeting with Dinnerjacket and the press blew a collective fuse.

No it won’t. It just means they’ll be wrong. Doesn’t mean anyone but experts and people who follow this stuff closely will know that the pundits are full of fecal matter and that Trump has essentially given away one of our key pieces of leverage.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:22:55pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

The Freepers are (what else?) engaged in a massive circle jerk about how Trump has got KIm by the balls and is going to come out of all this way better than any past president. Gonna solve the “North Korea problem” before his first term in office is up. And (shocker) accusing the press of “downplaying” the enormity of this “win” when they’d totally be nominating Obama for a Nobel Peace Prize before the meeting has even happened.

Kim must be laughing his ass off right about now.

The Korean peninsula has been a hot bed issue since before Trump beat up his Piano teacher. Sure Freepers, Trump’s going to be the one that solves this all.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:23:17pm
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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:24:19pm

What about those other sanctions sir?

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:25:13pm

re: #258 JordanRules

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Uh no Erin. Nixon is still awful despite what he did with China.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:25:19pm

I will give Trump great credit if he denukes NK and achieves a calming of tensions between the peninsula combatants. It’s an easy bet for me to make.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:26:14pm

Like so much, I do wonder what we have to give Kim that hasn’t been disclosed.

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makeitstop  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:26:32pm

This guy Nader has some history.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:26:45pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Like so much, I do wonder what we have to give Kim that hasn’t been disclosed.

Sideburns?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:27:03pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Like so much, I do wonder what we have to give Kim that hasn’t been disclosed.

The Wu Tang album?

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:27:26pm

re: #265 Decatur Deb

The Wu Tang album?

I believe I called dibs on that.

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:27:52pm

re: #264 Barefoot Grin

Sideburns?

Mar a Largo membership?

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makeitstop  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:28:47pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Mar a Largo membership?

Re-name it to ‘Kim Tower?’

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:29:01pm

I wonder what all the former Presidents are thinking right now

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:29:14pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:29:41pm

re: #270 Ace Rothstein

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I actually do have their first two albums. I’m not a huge rap fan but I like the Wu Tang Clan.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:30:04pm

re: #269 JordanRules

I wonder what all the former Presidents are thinking right now

That we’re all gonna die.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:31:18pm

re: #272 Ace Rothstein

That we’re all gonna die.

What’s a little proliferation between gentlemen?

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:32:07pm

re: #254 lawhawk

Maybe Trump should just mute himself. The world would be a safer place.

I hope Mueller mutes him. And should that not occur at least have enough dirt on him to make it clear that America needs to mute the asshole president in 2020.

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VegasGolfer  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:33:20pm

re: #272 Ace Rothstein

That we’re all gonna die.

Damn, I just moved into a new condo, might not get to enjoy it for long…

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:37:03pm

nymag.com

Federal judge orders Trump to unblock people on Twitter, saying he can mute them if he doesn’t want to read responses.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:37:30pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:38:37pm

re: #275 VegasGolfer

Damn, I just moved into a new condo, might not get to enjoy it for long…

But, the positive is that you get out of paying all that interest on the loan…
//

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:38:44pm

re: #277 JordanRules

Never met a war he didn’t like.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:39:26pm

I like how the White House is emphasizing that Kim “talked” with South Korea about denuclearization. Not a agreement or commitment or an understanding, just “talked” about it. My guess is that the “talking” was largely about how Kim doesn’t expect Trump to get something for nothing, that any talk about doing away with nukes is going to involve the very sort of payments that Trump sneered at on the campaign trail as “weakness.”

Oh, and the talk about not conducting any tests? That’s impossible to verify, so the fact that Trump is trumpeting it as a “win” shows he’s so desperate to clutch something that looks like such that he’ll take whatever wafer-thin assurances Kim is willing to throw his way.

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makeitstop  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:41:40pm

re: #277 JordanRules

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Lindsey Graham, big tough guy.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:41:59pm

re: #277 JordanRules

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All the more reason to believe this meeting is a thin pretext for going to war.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:44:32pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:45:28pm

If Trump had done as past administrations had done and insisted up multi-party talks, then he might not only face the possibility that his own negotiators would find a path forward that avoided war, but it would also mean that the other parties to the talks might stand in his way by insisting on letting the process work. One-on-one talks lets him claim that the talks “failed” due to Kim’s recalcitrance and move forward with military strikes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:46:07pm

re: #243 lawhawk

Fox News is totally running with this is a win for Trump.

Trump just stuck a shiv in the side of US national security. Check that, he stuck another shiv in the side of US national security.

It’s almost as if Donald Trump is working for a foreign power to maintain his own. It’s almost as if the GOP doesn’t give a hoot about anything except grasping and maintaining power.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:47:13pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

Like so much, I do wonder what we have to give Kim that hasn’t been disclosed.

A Trump Tower in Pyongyang.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:47:20pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:47:25pm

re: #286 The Vicious Babushka

A Trump Tower in Pyongyang.

And a golf course.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:48:07pm

re: #279 freetoken

Never met a war he didn’t like.

The mature sensible moderate trustful Republican.

Hahahahahahaaa…barf!

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:48:09pm

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

And a golf course.

And a casino. That will go bust in two years.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:49:42pm

re: #275 VegasGolfer

Damn, I just moved into a new condo, might not get to enjoy it for long…

Well, living in the middle of this year’s crop of ICBMs in Nebraska’s Panhandle, I’ll get to watch a really cool Roman candle display.

Damn. My wife and I own our tiny little house outright. We don’t even get out of a mortgage when the Sandhills are turned into four hundred miles of trinitite.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:51:51pm

re: #283 lawhawk

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And it’s a star-studded panel of know-nothings.

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Weaselone  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:52:12pm

re: #291 Anymouse 🌹

Well, living in the middle of this year’s crop of ICBMs in Nebraska’s Panhandle, I’ll get to watch a really cool Roman candle display.

Damn. My wife and I own our tiny little house outright. We don’t even get out of a mortgage when the Sandhills are turned into four hundred miles of trinitite.

North Korea’s not going to bother hitting our ICBM sites if they attack so you’re good.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:52:34pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:52:49pm

re: #291 Anymouse 🌹

Well, living in the middle of this year’s crop of ICBMs in Nebraska’s Panhandle, I’ll get to watch a really cool Roman candle display.

Damn. My wife and I own our tiny little house outright. We don’t even get out of a mortgage when the Sandhills are turned into four hundred miles of trinitite.

Meanwhile, I live within 30 minutes drive of three major military installations. Even the best-case scenario for me is my house being torched just before the overpressure reduces it down to the foundations.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:53:12pm

re: #294 Anymouse 🌹

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We’re not sending our best to North Korea.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:53:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:54:34pm

re: #293 Weaselone

North Korea’s not going to bother hitting our ICBM sites if they attack so you’re good.

North Korea’s allies (China and Russia) might do so. China is pretty adamant they will defend the DPRK if it is attacked without provocation. Russia is also a somewhat lesser ally, and also shares a border with the DPRK.

If we launch even one nuke at North Korea in an attempt to hit hardened research facilities or whatnot, well, at least it will be quick for us here.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:55:43pm

Trump nearly forgot to sign the tariffs EO? Yeah, that happened again.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:56:13pm

Saw one Freeper try to spin this like Ronnie meeting Gorbachev. But there’s a very distinct difference: The US and USSR were equals, at least as far as geopolitical concerns. Both were leaders of their own international pacts, both had nuclear arsenals big enough to wipe out human life several times over, and both had a vested interest in walking the world back from the brink.

Elevating Kim to that level does not make him look weak, it makes us look weak for having fallen to that level.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:56:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:56:54pm

I’m guessing our esteemed host Mr. Johnson will be putting up a new thread soon about the absolutely brilliant diplomatic coup by Donald Trump.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:57:32pm

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

lolwut
Oh it’s Ms. Clueless, nevermind.

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The only Neo-Nazis with good hearts the ones working undercover for the FBI.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:57:51pm

re: #299 lawhawk

Trump nearly forgot to sign the tariffs EO? Yeah, that happened again.

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So, that is why the NDA with Stormy wasn’t signed. He just forgot.

That guy…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:58:44pm

re: #303 Big Beautiful Door

The only Neo-Nazis with good hearts the ones working undercover for the FBI.

We have it on unimpeachable authority that there are a lot of good people on both sides.

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Jay C  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:58:54pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

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And Ralph Bakshi came to the same conclusion in ‘78: FFS, even Tolkien himself could never quite properly fit old Tom into his legendarium - save as a sort of colorful sideline. IMO, Tim Benzedrine was a much better take on the character… YMMV

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Stanley Sea  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:59:09pm

[private]Oh hai!! BeachDem & I are sitting here in NOLA after another fab meal. This one was at Katie’s - midtown. We have an amazing airbnb shotgun house.

Our uber driver Mohammed
described his homeland as “one of those shit hole countries ” & we laughed/cried. They remember.

Many drinks later we’re slowly heading back. Tomorrow is Street car named desire at the petite theater.

Whatta wonderful time is being had.!!

[/private?

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:59:13pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

Ryan Coogler’s decision to use a couple of Tolkien white guys in Black Panther was brilliant (Serkis and Freeman).

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Semper Fi  Mar 8, 2018 • 5:59:14pm

re: #299 lawhawk

Trump nearly forgot to sign the tariffs EO? Yeah, that happened again.

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Wonder? Was this staged for Stormy?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:01:00pm

Haha many drinks later = fucked up private

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:01:13pm

re: #307 Stanley Sea

[private]…

[/private?

Nope. Blame those many drinks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:02:09pm

re: #307 Stanley Sea

Your comment is in the open, not private. You have a question mark instead of a bracket for your closing private command.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:02:11pm

re: #310 Stanley Sea

Haha many drinks later = fucked up private

I was going to post I knew what you two were doing based on that…but I deleted it.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:04:09pm

re: #301 lawhawk

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Exactly. He’s doing all of the shit he projected on to Obama who didn’t actually do these things.

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petesh  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:06:09pm

re: #282 Targetpractice

All the more reason to believe this meeting is a thin pretext for going to war.

That’s probably what Mr Art-of-the-Deal thinks, but as usual he’s wrong. He’s going to have a hard time saving South Korea when South Korea really doesn’t want him to. Unless of course he is actually willing to destroy Seoul in order to save it.

Come to think of it, he is that dumb.

I think this is going to end with all American troops withdrawn from Korea, the North actually ending its nuclear program (they can hit Seoul without it), and the South scared shitless.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:06:34pm

I’ll bet Wall Street will be absolutely thrilled with the news of potential war with North Korea when the stock market opens tomorrow. /s

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:06:57pm

The NYT is giving Ida B. Wells a belated obituary for Women’s Day.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:07:38pm

re: #305 Decatur Deb

We have it on unimpeachable authority that there are a lot of good people on both sides.

I see what you did there. Well played snark.

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:08:27pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:09:41pm
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Semper Fi  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:10:27pm

re: #307 Stanley Sea

[private]Oh hai!! BeachDem & I are sitting here in NOLA after another fab meal. This one was at Katie’s - midtown. We have an amazing airbnb shotgun house.

Our uber driver Mohammed
described his homeland as “one of those shit hole countries ” & we laughed/cried. They remember.

Many drinks later we’re slowly heading back. Tomorrow is Street car named desire at the petite theater.

Whatta wonderful time is being had.!!

[/private?

Chicory coffee and beignets?
I never miss that when I’m in NOLA.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:10:50pm

re: #320 Dave In Austin

Rodman had skills.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:11:30pm

re: #321 Semper Fi

Chicory coffee and beignets?
I never miss that when I’m in NOLA.

Done today!!!

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Weaselone  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:12:01pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

North Korea’s allies (China and Russia) might do so. China is pretty adamant they will defend the DPRK if it is attacked without provocation. Russia is also a somewhat lesser ally, and also shares a border with the DPRK.

If we launch even one nuke at North Korea in an attempt to hit hardened research facilities or whatnot, well, at least it will be quick for us here.

You guys are ridiculous. Russia’s not going to get themselves wiped out in order to defend North Korea. Russia’s hope is that North Korea destroys some of our major urban centers and reduces us to a 2nd rate power economically overnight. Our military will follow when we can no longer afford to flush 1 trillion dollars down the toilet designing our next generation weapon system that’s almost as good as the current one.

China’s most likely play is to hope NK takes out some of our bases in the Pacific and then to invade NK from the north to prevent a flood of refugees and maintain a buffer zone between itself and the South.

Both of the countries are served best by letting NK do whatever damage to the US that it can in any confrontation and then moving against NK to secure their interests. Their interest is not served by getting involved in a nuclear exchange with the US and having us plant big glowing mushrooms in their major cities and military bases.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:12:36pm

re: #321 Semper Fi

Chicory coffee and beignets?
I never miss that when I’m in NOLA.

World Food stores carry a beignet mix.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:13:34pm

re: #316 Anymouse 🌹

I’ll bet Wall Street will be absolutely thrilled with the news of potential war with North Korea when the stock market opens tomorrow. /s

Initially it will be seen as good and then Trump will do something stupid in the negotiations and it will all trend back down again.

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VegasGolfer  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:16:37pm

re: #326 ObserverArt

I think the market might have priced in trumps stupidity, its almost back to January highs

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:16:53pm

I imagine the Japanese government is absolutely thrilled about Trump’s nonsense today, and our conservatives doing nothing but grasping power for as long as they can (even if it means fallout over Japan).

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:17:06pm

re: #325 Decatur Deb

Yep. I’ve used it before.
Eating them in the dry air among the cacti wasn’t quite the same.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:17:13pm

re: #325 Decatur Deb

World Food stores carry a beignet mix.

You can order chicory coffee and beignet mix direct from Cafe du Monde, too.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:19:17pm

Toys ‘R us looks like it will not save its remaining US stores in the bankruptcy. That’s not exceptional, except that digging shows who drove them to the knackers—Bain Capital.

bloomberg.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:19:29pm

re: #324 Weaselone

You guys are ridiculous. Russia’s not going to get themselves wiped out in order to defend North Korea. Russia’s hope is that North Korea destroys some of our major urban centers and reduces us to a 2nd rate power economically overnight. Our military will follow when we can no longer afford to flush 1 trillion dollars down the toilet designing our next generation weapon system that’s almost as good as the current one.

China’s most likely play is to hope NK takes out some of our bases in the Pacific and then to invade NK from the north to prevent a flood of refugees and maintain a buffer zone between itself and the South.

Both of the countries are served best by letting NK do whatever damage to the US that it can in any confrontation and then moving against NK to secure their interests. Their interest is not served by getting involved in a nuclear exchange with the US and having us plant big glowing mushrooms in their major cities and military bases.

China and Russia are certainly in it for the long game. China has been pretty clear that any attack against North Korea would be responded to, but they could be lying (then never trusted again by any other nation with an agreement with China).

We drop a nuke on North Korea to hit its hardened labs and facilities, the fallout will travel over their nations.

They’re likely to get testy about that.

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lawhawk  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:21:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:24:22pm

Rexxon Tillerson, who is in Ethiopia at the moment, issued a statement to try to clean up after Trump’s mess today.

politico.com

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the U.S. is “a long ways from negotiations” with North Korea on Thursday, cautioning that expectations about the diplomatic relations between the two countries should be “realistic.”

“In terms of direct talks with the United States, you ask negotiations and we’re a long ways from negotiations,” Tillerson said of the potential of talks with North Korea during a press conference in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.

The U.S. diplomat added: “I think we just need to be very clear-eyed and realistic about it. I think the first step — and I’ve said this before, is to have talks.”

(more)

He’s also ready to give away decades of diplomacy for “talks” which may produce nothing.

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Semper Fi  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:25:37pm

re: #332 Anymouse 🌹

China and Russia are certainly in it for the long game. China has been pretty clear that any attack against North Korea would be responded to, but they could be lying (then never trusted again by any other nation with an agreement with China).

We drop a nuke on North Korea to hit its hardened labs and facilities, the fallout will travel over their nations.

They’re likely to get testy about that.

No fallout issues when we’re hit. The oceans will still be on either side of us when we no longer exist.

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ObserverArt  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:26:03pm

re: #332 Anymouse 🌹

China and Russia are certainly in it for the long game. China has been pretty clear that any attack against North Korea would be responded to, but they could be lying (then never trusted again by any other nation with an agreement with China).

We drop a nuke on North Korea to hit its hardened labs and facilities, the fallout will travel over their nations.

They’re likely to get testy about that.

I bet our military is thinking they can do some kind of surprise fly in mega-bombing to “end their nuke program” and all it will do is piss off the world and make the US look ever more stupid for having the *cough*, leadership we elected.

Doesn’t our military often make it look like it will just be so easy?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:26:04pm

These guys are ageless. Listen to them and you can double your vocabulary.

Bad Religion - Leaders And Followers

There’s the image of a man
Who commands a high opinion
But he hides his hatred with a sheepish grin
And beside him flanking closely
Are the boisterous hollow masses
Who lap up whatever trickles in
This intercourse of nature,
This vulgar social pastime
Reflects the lowest mark of our progress
And the few who ride peripheral
Maintain subtle advantage
Fighting hard to abstain and redress
Do you know your place
In the big charade?
Are you more than they?
Leaders and followers
Leaders and followers
Recognition by proximity
And a brand new face
Just a smidgen of success pie
And a pinch of social grace
You can play with the big boys
Or you can tell them what to do
But sooner or later there’s another one like you
The voyeuristic public
Of which we’re all a part
Maintains perspective on the human play
And while many have desires
Of joining in the show
Many turn and go the other way
Tell me do you know your place
In the big parade?
Are you fear and shame?

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The Major  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:28:55pm

re: #244 Barefoot Grin

They join the academics, who are compelled (by the “chrysanthemum club” old guard who explain away Japan’s racism as misunderstood cultural foibles, and by the Japanese institutions that fund their departments) to stick to talking about the “nice things” about Japan.

By 2050, Japan will soon have more ex-cities and villages than ever before. Demographics is future history and in Japan it’s happening at an incredible clip.

And Japan is about as xenophobic as it gets.

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Weaselone  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:36:18pm

re: #332 Anymouse 🌹

China and Russia are certainly in it for the long game. China has been pretty clear that any attack against North Korea would be responded to, but they could be lying (then never trusted again by any other nation with an agreement with China).

We drop a nuke on North Korea to hit its hardened labs and facilities, the fallout will travel over their nations.

They’re likely to get testy about that.

No doubt they would be. I’m not an expert on where the weapons labs are located and weather conditions in the region, so I’m not sure what the most likely fallout pattern would be, but I have been ground detonating some 100 kt SLBMs and it looks like the general pattern of fallout is to the northeast and largely remains within NK unless detonated close to the border.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:37:05pm

bbc.com

Russian television outlets, which have been silent on the issue of the people poisoned with nerve agents in the United Kingdom, opened up on that topic today.

They warn that “traitor” is one of the most dangerous professions, and the United Kingdom is not the place for a traitor to go. They said there seems to be something wrong there, since so many traitors seem to die there. Maybe the weather or something.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:37:57pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:39:29pm

re: #308 lawhawk

Ryan Coogler’s decision to use a couple of Tolkien white guys in Black Panther was brilliant (Serkis and Freeman).

Serkis is a terrific character actor. He deserved an Oscar for Gollum in The Two Towers.

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Targetpractice  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:39:33pm

Two questions I’d like a reporter to ask Huckaboo tomorrow: “Does President Trump expect to get President Kim to just give up his nuclear weapons without anything in return?” and “And a followup: If he doesn’t expect that, then how will any deal he can possibly negotiate be different from the deals negotiated by the past three presidents that President Trump has denounced again and again?”

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The Major  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:40:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:41:24pm

I’m going to bail out and hit the rack now.

I expect that by the time I wake up, Trump’s statements will be spun by the magic balancefairyist media and especially Republicans to mean something different that what was said.

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The Major  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:44:22pm

re: #336 ObserverArt

Doesn’t our military often make it look like it will just be so easy?

Too bad all of our fun Tomahawks (equipped with the W68 physics package) are long gone…..

(or maybe not?)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:47:28pm

re: #346 The Major

Too bad all of our fun Tomahawks (equipped with the W68 physics package) are long gone…..

(or maybe not?)

Pretty sure they’re gone. I think cruise missiles are strictly conventional weapons now.

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JordanRules  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:48:03pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:48:08pm

Shit. They just revised the forecast to a freeze warning, and I have to go out and replace the grow-tunnel cover in the dark.

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mmmirele  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:48:12pm

So there’s this:

Which I believe was a surprise to Ms. Denhollander’s husband, who is a (currently on hiatus) PhD student at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Denhollander herself was one of the first women to blow the whistle on Larry Nassar and she was instrumental in bringing together the many, many women who were sexually assaulted by this POS.

What’s interesting is that Rachael Denhollander’s work continues. She has taken up for the victims of child abuse within the Sovereign Grace Ministries/Sovereign Grace Churches, whose victimization was credibly covered up by the leadership, headed up by C.J. Mahaney. She’s written statements laying out what she has learned from the information already out there, and those statements are damning against Mahaney.

Mahaney was scheduled to speak in April to 10,000 preachers and wannabes at “Together For The Gospel 2018” in Louisville. (Some of you may remember I have said I would be protesting at this shindig.) Well, Mahaney, under some pressure, withdrew yesterday from this rock festival of preaching, although his withdrawal statement is rather bitter.

I’m still going to protest at Together For The Gospel, although I’m a bit more free now to consider a protest of a pre-session put on by the Alliance Defending Freedom, which has every indication of turning into a LGBT bashfest, because it’s about the so-called “Nashville Statement” from last year. However, there is still the large issue of how nine other speakers and 10K attendees didn’t seem to think there was a problem with a guy credibly accused of covering up child abuse being on the same stage.

Let me put it this way: It was infinitely more acceptable to have CJ Mahaney on the stage, even though there’s credible evidence he covered up child abuse, than to have ANY WOMAN preaching or teaching. Because these guys think we women are somehow permanently poisoned by the alleged sin of Eve.

I’m thinking about asking the men (it’s 95% men attending) to give up their wristbands and forego attending as a demonstration that they don’t agree with the “Together For The Gospel” crowd of the years of passes they’ve given Mahaney. And yes, I know it would be a tough sell. This is a popular thing—there are people asking on Twitter if there are wristbands for sale, for a three-day meeting of the same (now nine) guys blathering on about various dogmas. And yes, I am concerned someone might punch me if I asked them to give up their wristband if I put the transaction as starkly as all that, but it’s an idea I can’t get out of my head.

It’s not enough to just stand out there with a sign. I think I have to get in their faces and ask them—do you really care about child abuse—or does it really not matter because of the spectacular preaching you’re going to hear? (Hint: These guys are DULL.)

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The Major  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:52:58pm

re: #347 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Pretty sure they’re gone. I think cruise missiles are strictly conventional weapons now.

Sad, really - because that’s precisely the weapon you’d want for this nightmare scenario, in addition to some other things.

I’d sure like to know what those X-37B’s have been doing loitering in space for weeks/months at end (you know those guys who fly those things would love to hoon ‘em past some Russian and Chinese military Eyes In The Sky just to give then a little sniff….)

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freetoken  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:55:37pm

Panda’s Thumb article plays a popular tune, but I find the analysis a bit … thin:

Do liberals, like conservatives, reject scientific facts?

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gocart mozart  Mar 8, 2018 • 6:56:06pm

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