Donald Trump Retweeted Their Anti-Muslim Videos, and Never Apologized. Now Leaders of a Far Right UK Group Have Been Convicted of Hate Crimes.

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Britain First leader and deputy leader jailed for hate crimes

The leader and deputy leader of far-right group Britain First have been found guilty of religiously aggravated harassment.

Paul Golding, 36, and Jayda Fransen, 32, were arrested over the distribution of leaflets and posting of online videos during a gang-rape trial.

Fransen was convicted of three counts of religiously aggravated harassment. Golding was found guilty of one charge.

Both were jailed at Folkestone Magistrates’ Court.

Fransen was handed a 36-week sentence and Golding 18 weeks.

During their trial in January, the court heard they had targeted homes and people in Kent whom they believed were connected to a rape trial at Canterbury Crown Court where three Muslim men and a teenager were convicted of rape and jailed.

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Both Fransen and Golding were convicted on a joint charge of religiously aggravated harassment after an incident last May at 555 Pizza takeaway in Ramsgate, when Fransen banged on the windows and doors of the shop and screamed “paedophile” and “foreigner”.

However, in each case, they instead targeted innocent members of the public.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2018 • 7:56:19pm
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electrotek  Mar 9, 2018 • 7:57:37pm

Eat shit fascist scum.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2018 • 7:58:04pm

This shit is objectively fucking crazy.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:03:38pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

This shit is objectively fucking crazy.

Can’t help but notice they’re “simulating” with a handgun rather than an AR.

And I stand by my previous assertion that there are people very, very excited about the idea that kids are going to be scared shitless all the time because there’s random armed people hovering about. And that what happens next will be making excuses for why a teacher shot a black kid or a mentally ill kid, because “safety.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:03:40pm
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TedStriker  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:04:28pm

re: #1 Kragar

Not a surprise that Trump wants to come off looking mucho hard and tough on drugs, just like his Filipino BFF Rodrigo Duterte.

What a fucking shitshow.

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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:04:35pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:07:05pm

re: #5 Big Beautiful Door

Sounds like he killed everybody right after he took them hostage.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:08:20pm

re: #8 Skip Intro

Sounds like he killed everybody right after he took them hostage.

Another blood offering to the Tree of Liberty.

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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:11:12pm

re: #9 Big Beautiful Door

And we can do it to street pharmacists too!

The evils.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:13:01pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:14:06pm

Everybody knows that by “drug dealers” Trump means “young black men”…right?

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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:16:33pm

re: #5 Big Beautiful Door

Three hostages and shooter dead at Ca veterans home.

I would upding you for bringing word, but fuck it, I just don’t have the heart.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:16:37pm

I hate what Trump has done to this country.

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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:17:51pm

re: #14 bill d. (b.d.)

I hate what Trump has done to this country.

He had a whole shitload of help.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:18:03pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

You don’t fire any gun, even using blanks, in an unsafe direction and there is no safe fucking direction inside a goddamned school. You don’t need to expose children to gunfire to get them to recognize it when it happens, that shit is self explanatory in real time. We’re practice terrorizing children to get them prepared for being terrorized for real while actively dismissing their political activism.

Everything about this is wrong.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:19:01pm

re: #5 Big Beautiful Door

Three hostages and shooter dead at Ca veterans home.

Have Conservatives decided if the shooter was a Liberal or were they all just crisis actors?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:20:16pm

re: #15 whitebeach

He had a whole shitload of help.

I hope the entire conservative christian movement never recovers from this.

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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:22:17pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

I can’t even imagine this as part of the school day, even in inner cities where systemic ills abound within those walls.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:22:19pm
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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:22:24pm

re: #18 bill d. (b.d.)

I hope the entire conservative christian movement never recovers from this.

The problem is that those assholes will never think they have anything they need to recover from.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:23:06pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:31:09pm
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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:32:12pm

re: #1 Kragar

[Embedded content]Trump looking into policy that would allow death penalty for drug dealers: report hill.cm

If they start with Shkreli, I might at least be willing to give it some thought.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:37:31pm

re: #4 The Ghost of a Flea

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plansbandc  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:38:07pm

re: #14 bill d. (b.d.)

Every minute of every hour of every fucking day.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:39:29pm

re: #7 JordanRules

I went and verified this quote:

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:43:51pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

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mmmirele  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:45:34pm

re: #1 Kragar

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I’m pretty sure that would be knocked down as grossly excessive and disproportionate punishment under Supreme Court cases Coker v. Georgia (1977; rape case with a death penalty) and expanded in Kennedy v. Louisiana (2008; where the court ruled the death penalty is unconstitutional where murder did not occur or in crimes against the State).

In other words, this is a non-starter. We are not the Philippines or Singapore.

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:45:35pm

Really? This is a dumb tweet, I expected better from him:

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:46:45pm

But Jake Tapper could have cited someone else other than someone who penned an op-ed proudly admitting she’s a Muslim woman that voted for Trump, however.

But that still doesn’t mean Tapper is anti-Muslim, sheesh

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:46:59pm

Global economy more complex than a multi-bankrupted family real estate scion imagined.

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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:48:05pm

I have to wonder: Is this Stormy thing going to come down to NDA vs. DNA?

Signed,

Disoriented

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:49:27pm

re: #33 whitebeach

I have to wonder: Is this Stormy thing going to come down to NDA vs. DNA?

Signed,

Disoriented

Maybe it’ll come down to some guy named Dan…

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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:52:39pm

re: #29 mmmirele

We are not the Philippines or Singapore.

Well, we only won bronze this time. Next Olympics, we’ll blow these losers away.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:53:36pm

re: #30 electrotek

These people had all the time in the world to denounce Farrakhan and apologize.

Instead they published an empty statement, a no less empty and deceptive article and a bunch of whiny tweets.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:54:00pm

People are the principal culprits behind the spread of “fake news” on the Internet, according to a new study examining the flow of stories on Twitter. People, the study’s authors say, prefer false news; as a result, false news travels faster, farther, and deeper through the social network than factual news. Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found those patterns applied to every subject they studied, including not only politics and urban legends, but also business, science, and technology. The researchers found false claims were 70 percent more likely than the truth to be shared on Twitter; true stories were rarely retweeted by more than 1,000 people, but the top 1 percent of false stories were routinely shared by 1,000 to 100,000 people. In addition, the researchers said, it took true stories about six times as long as false ones to reach 1,500 people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:54:35pm

re: #29 mmmirele

In other words, this is a non-starter. We are not the Philippines or Singapore.

Yet.

Give Trump enough time though…

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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:56:27pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe it’ll come down to some guy named Dan…

And?

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2018 • 8:57:07pm

re: #36 Nyet

These people had all the time in the world to denounce Farrakhan and apologize.

Instead they published an empty statement, a no less empty and deceptive article and a bunch of whiny tweets.

Agreed.

In all honesty, I wasn’t much of a fan of Linda prior to this controversy. Her strict adherence to Bernie Sanders really turned me off from her.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:00:02pm

re: #40 electrotek

Her support of the murderous terrorist Rasmea Odeh speaks tons.

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sagehen  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:01:47pm

on Maher tonight:

panel: Trae Crowder, Ana Navarro, Eric Erickson.
pre-panel interview: Kathy Griffin
mid-show interview: Bari Weiss

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:02:47pm

What the other millions of women are marching for is not defined by these women or their relationship to Farrakhan. If people let the marches become about these women, then it will be weakened when it is needed most.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:03:31pm

re: #37 Belafon

Most people don’t like skepticism, and most particularly don’t like information that prompts self-examination. Fake news is gratifying because it’s emotion-driven, simplifies the world, and tends to make things black-and-white. It’s a cheap fix.

Fake news is to some degree propaganda, particularly when directed and amplified by brigades and bots…but it’s also part of a the larger ecosystem of consumption-grade trite horseshit that comes with people treating information as a brand preference.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:03:58pm

re: #43 Belafon

The future marches organized by these people will be defined by these people, that’s how it is.

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Belafon  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:05:14pm

re: #45 Nyet

The future marches organized by these people will be defined by these people, that’s how it is.

They hadn’t been. I didn’t even know there were people in charge until the other day.

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electrotek  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:05:25pm

re: #45 Nyet

The future marches organized by these people will be defined by these people, that’s how it is.

Unfortunately you are right. Linda Sarsour is pretty much toxic at this point.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:05:57pm

re: #46 Belafon

They hadn’t been.

But they will be.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:07:54pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:10:24pm

I fear Trump is going to fuck up the country so bad that even two terms of another President won’t be enough to get us back on track.

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Kragar  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:11:19pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

I fear Trump is going to fuck up the country so bad that even two terms of another President won’t be enough to get us back on track.

We won’t see if fixed in our lifetimes

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:13:46pm

re: #49 Kragar

It’s almost as if they like it when there’s a population of teenage girls driven to desperation by economic burdens and a moral stigma.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:15:46pm

re: #51 Kragar

We won’t see if fixed in our lifetimes

Agreed. Especially if he’s able to get a second or God forbid third justice on the SC.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:16:34pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

Misogyny, Sexism, Power over women, etc. etc.

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:18:21pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

Misogyny, Sexism, Power over women, etc. etc.

It’s a hunger that’s never satisfied.

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:19:24pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:20:36pm
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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:20:46pm
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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:21:40pm
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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:24:48pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:30:24pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

Misogyny, Sexism, Power over women, etc. etc.

Not even being general or conceptual. Laser-targeted specific.

Alongside conservative moral institutions there’s always a sexual demimonde, and the stringency of the former conveniently populates the latter.

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Weaselone  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:33:24pm

re: #45 Nyet

The future marches organized by these people will be defined by these people, that’s how it is.

Is that so? Is that also true for conservatives?

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:35:42pm

re: #62 Weaselone

Is that so?

Obviously?

Is that also true for conservatives?

In what sense?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:38:03pm
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jaunte  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:39:33pm
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Weaselone  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:44:23pm

re: #63 Nyet

That the actions of millions of people are held tainted by the failure of some organizers to sufficiently condemn a third party. This seems like a much higher standard than a movement of male Caucasians has ever been held to.

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austin_blue  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:49:55pm

re: #66 Weaselone

That the actions of millions of people are held tainted by the failure of some organizers to sufficiently condemn a third party. This seems like a much higher standard than a movement of male Caucasians has ever been held to.

It’s an excellent point. And it happens all the fucking time. White boy privilege.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:53:56pm

I really want an AI driven, context sensitive spellcheck but that’ll probably happen an hour before Skynet destroys us all.

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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:54:57pm

re: #59 JordanRules

[Embedded content]Words matter. And President Trump should know that the term “globalist” is a dog-whistle for antisemitism. Ignorance, real or feigned, is not an excuse for a President, especially one with a track record like Mr. Trump.

Let’s be fair. Years from now, when the “speeches” and tweets of Donald Trump are collected and analyzed, it will be obvious that Koko the gorilla had not only a larger vocabulary but better comprehension than Trump. The real problem is that some 62 million American voters didn’t care that he was an ignorant fool, they actually liked him that way.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:58:02pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

I really want an AI driven, context sensitive spellcheck but that’ll probably happen an hour before Skynet destroys us all.

[Embedded content]

That’ll teach you to spell it right.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:59:07pm

They used to have a grammar check function back in the 80s, where did it go?

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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 9:59:30pm
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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:00:24pm

re: #66 Weaselone

That the actions of millions of people are held tainted by the failure of some organizers to sufficiently condemn a third party.

Since the story is now well-known among the politically active, among whom are the WM participants, obviously the future events organized by these tainted people will also be tainted. It’s not difficult.

This seems like a much higher standard than a movement of male Caucasians has ever been held to.

Some unrelated random words.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:02:37pm

re: #73 Nyet

you’re a dick.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:03:03pm

re: #74 Single-handed sailor

you’re a dick.

Actually you are.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:03:57pm

re: #75 Nyet

ooooh, I’m burned.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:04:46pm

re: #76 Single-handed sailor

ooooh, I’m burned.

More like butthurt (for an unknown reason).

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:05:28pm

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:05:34pm

re: #77 Nyet

Probably because you shit on other lizards without cause. bit me.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:06:39pm

re: #79 Single-handed sailor

Probably because you shit on other lizards without cause. bit me.

Nope, I don’t

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Weaselone  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:07:08pm

re: #66 Weaselone

I mean, the media can’t hold Trump responsible for things he said more than 72 hours ago, let alone condemn the people who voted for the racist, addled, unqualified toad. But hey, those millions of marchers are totally culpable because some of the organizers like Farrakhan despite the fact that the marches had piss all to do with Farrakhan or his views.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:07:26pm

re: #80 Nyet

Nope, I don’t

yeah, it’s all in my imagination, you’re the most pleasant fucker here.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:08:44pm

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

yeah, it’s all in my imagination, you’re the most pleasant fucker here.

Yep, you have a rich one.

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austin_blue  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:08:52pm

re: #69 whitebeach

Let’s be fair. Years from now, when the “speeches” and tweets of Donald Trump are collected and analyzed, it will be obvious that Koko the gorilla had not only a larger vocabulary but better comprehension than Trump. The real problem is that some 62 million American voters didn’t care that he was an ignorant fool, they actually liked him that way.

He met their minimum requirements. He spoke “truth to power” in a way that a Liberal could not imagine the term, but was as real to any Conservative as A, B, and C.

This is the problem. We have two communities who hear a term like “Speaking Truth To Power”, and it means exactly different things. To a Liberal, it means talking to the rich who want to maintain expand their power. To the Conservatives, it means talking to the educated people who believe in science and facts who they believe are keeping them down and have no respect for them. And let’s face it, most of us don’t. We view them as slack-jawed yokels.

This seems to me to be an intractable problem so long as propaganda is the teat of knowledge for the Conservatives, because it is working extremely well, and has for decades.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:10:49pm

re: #81 Weaselone

I mean, the media can’t hold Trump responsible for things he said more than 72 hours ago, let alone condemn the people who voted for the racist, addled, unqualified toad. But hey, those millions of marchers are totally culpable because some of the organizers like Farrakhan despite the fact that the marches had piss all to do with Farrakhan or his views.

Strawman. There haven’t been millions of marchers imbued with this new information yet. We’re talking about future events now that the shameful background of the main organizers is known.

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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:11:19pm

re: #69 whitebeach

Let’s be fair. Years from now, when the “speeches” and tweets of Donald Trump are collected and analyzed, it will be obvious that Koko the gorilla had not only a larger vocabulary but better comprehension than Trump. The real problem is that some 62 million American voters didn’t care that he was an ignorant fool, they actually liked him that way.

True indeed.
He was not the only one to use that term regarding Cohn last week.
And we know Gorka, Bannon, Miller etc know what the fuck they are doing and we see the rise in hate crimes.
I’m just….fuck.
Y’all know tho and I appreciate that.

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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:14:52pm

I listened to a lot of right wing talk radio today driving back from Jackson Hole. All they talked about was Women’s March and Louis Farrakhan. The right wing media talking points are set in stone. Oh, and Hannity is predicting indictments… of Hillary Clinton, Valerie Jarrett, James Comey, and Robert Mueller.

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austin_blue  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:19:40pm

re: #87 teleskiguy

I listened to a lot of right wing talk radio today driving back from Jackson Hole. All they talked about was Women’s March and Louis Farrakhan. The right wing media talking points are set in stone. Oh, and Hannity is predicting indictments… of Hillary Clinton, Valerie Jarrett, James Comey, and Robert Mueller.

Of course he is. At this point that’s all they’ve got to feed the rage machine. By the time this is all over, they will have invented a new meme that facts aren’t facts, lies aren’t lies, money laundering is an accepted business practice among friends, and treason isn’t treason.

Drain the swamp! MAGA!

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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:20:06pm

This dude just keeps doing great works!

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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:21:06pm

re: #87 teleskiguy

Oh, and they’re *stoked* that Fuckface Von Clownstick will maybe (probably not) have a meeting with one of the worst dictators in the world. And the good jobs numbers that came out? That was all orchestrated by Fuckface Von Clownstick, who will go down in history as one of the country’s greatest presidents, if not the greatest (Alex Jones really did say this today). Bill O’Reilly had a nice conversation with Glenn Beck about how religion is under attack. Yeah, right wing talk radio listeners are fucking brainwashed beyond hope.

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majii  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:21:33pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

“Evening folks, I’m back in Colorado safely.”

Glad to hear you had a great time and arrived back home safely.

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Weaselone  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:26:25pm

re: #85 Nyet

Strawman. There haven’t been millions of marchers imbued with this new information yet. We’re talking about future events now that the shameful background of the main organizers is known.

Trump’s the head of the Republican Party. It’s “leadership” and thought leaders are generously seeded by racists, misogynists and anti-Semites, yet the voters and politicians of this party are held to a lesser standard than the marchers. It’s directly comparable. Two movements. One white and conservative. One diverse and progressive. To different standards.

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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:26:34pm

Heard this song on the radio right when I arrived in Jackson Hole on Wednesday night. I love the bass line.

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austin_blue  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:27:56pm

Night all!

Let’s not eat our own, shall we?

Oh, and my In-laws Russian Black Terrier won two ribbons at Crufts this week. They are over the moon.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:30:24pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:31:41pm

re: #95 Dave In Austin

Waffle House wouldn’t turn down customers reeking of weed, I’ll bet!

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:32:06pm

re: #92 Weaselone

Certainly not by me. By many in the media? OK. And? That doesn’t change the political reality that the future events organized by this current gang of 4 will be tainted. Rightly so.

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Weaselone  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:34:23pm

re: #92 Weaselone

I’m going to add, that I’m not disagreeing that these individuals need to make themselves scarce yesterday, but rather the standard the movement is being held to is higher than one dominated by white males.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:36:08pm

re: #98 Weaselone

It would seem to be exactly the opposite among the many progressives whose musings on this I’ve read lately. They show the double standard alright - just in the other direction.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:36:56pm

re: #87 teleskiguy

I listened to a lot of right wing talk radio today driving back from Jackson Hole. All they talked about was Women’s March and Louis Farrakhan.

A similar thing happened when the leaders of the Movement for Black Lives endorsed the BDS call against Israel. Invading and coopting movements with legitimate stand alone grievances in order to induce this kind of mission creep from within is a signature tactic of the anti-semitic far left, and it plays right into right wing narratives every damn time.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:38:59pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Correct. Here is another example (somewhat related): forward.com

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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:39:45pm

Had to slam on my brakes three times. Colorado State Patrol and Wyoming Highway Patrol will be moving a lot of deer corpses from the road in the morning. It should be noted that this particular road is *notorious* for deer strikes.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:41:37pm
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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:44:50pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

Waffle House wouldn’t turn down customers reeking of weed, I’ll bet!

Taco Bell forcibly drags them in off the street.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:45:49pm

re: #101 Nyet

Correct. Here is another example (somewhat related): forward.com

Leftist movements need to learn basic brand management and how to stop other people from watering down the hooch.

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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:48:43pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

But then you’re not intersectional enough. /

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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:53:00pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 9, 2018 • 10:55:40pm

re: #104 whitebeach

The comments note TGI Fridays as well. People still go to TGI Fridays?

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whitebeach  Mar 9, 2018 • 11:06:52pm

re: #108 Dave In Austin

The comments note TGI Fridays as well. People still go to TGI Fridays?

HTF would I know? The nearest one, if there is one, must be close to an hour away. I was swapping weed-munchie jokes with teleski.

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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 11:07:47pm
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Kragar  Mar 9, 2018 • 11:11:31pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

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JordanRules  Mar 9, 2018 • 11:12:59pm

re: #111 Kragar

The Cavett caveat!

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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 11:24:16pm

I woke up this morning with a sore throat, first time I’ve gotten sick in any way this winter. It’s mild and slowly going away, but it’s there. I know exactly where it came from. I rode the tram at Jackson Hole eight times over two days. They stuff 100 people into these boxes like sardines.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 9, 2018 • 11:30:50pm

re: #109 whitebeach

HTF would I know? The nearest one, if there is one, must be close to an hour away. I was swapping weed-munchie jokes with teleski.

Easy now…… It started here #95

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teleskiguy  Mar 9, 2018 • 11:42:53pm
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Nyet  Mar 9, 2018 • 11:47:47pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:04:42am

I tweeted this this afternoon whilst eating a fat BLT and nursing 20 fl. oz. of some dark fizzy stuff called “Moose Drool” at the Mangy Moose in Teton Village, WY. Some of the raddest skiers of all time have spent many a beer at the Mangy Moose. A guy from the original Jackson Hole Air Force showed up and half the room raised their beers in the air and loudly went “UUUUUUUHHHHHHHH” for about seven seconds.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:38:44am

Curious to see how this goes.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:17:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:28:46am

re: #37 Belafon

Recently I had a dream, rather a waking vision: we were standing at opposite ends of your dining room, holding our arms out, not to embrace, but rather somehow to sense the distance between us. And I had another odd vision of you like that the other morning, you were standing up and conducting an orchestra: I hope that is a sign that you are taking control of your life and making things sound they way you want them to.

Social media are for keeping track of family and friends, cute kid and pet photos and videos and upcoming events.

To rely on them as a source of news on politics or current events is massively idiotic.

I recall my girlfriend showing me a headline from her FB feed “Great Barrier Reef Declared Dead”. Even the content of the article itself contradicted that statement, it was just about the fact that the GBR lost nearly 18% of its volume in 2016, but it is far from dead.

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Nyet  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:31:14am

re: #119 JordanRules

La abuela rockera

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:49:52am

re: #49 Kragar

NEW: Abstinence-only education making a comeback under Trump

This is why the Christian Fundamentalists love him: they don’t give a shit about his personal morals but they know that he will accommodate their agenda in exchange for support in promoting his own.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:50:23am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

I fear Trump is going to fuck up the country so bad that even two terms of another President won’t be enough to get us back on track.

I reckon basically one year for each month that he remains president..

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:19:27am

Cliven Bundy’s ‘Legal Idiot’ Son Ryan Running For Governor Of Nevada Legal Idiots (Wonkette)

‘I Got Off In A Mistrial’ Is One Great Campaign Slogan

God, the Creator of the Universe and Supreme Being, has denied any involvement in yesterday’s decision by Ryan Bundy, son of welfare rancher Cliven Bundy, to run as an independent candidate for governor of Nevada. “No thank you. I’m busy enough with the NCAA tournament, lost kittens, and any number of college entrance exams. Whatever he may say, I have no input whatsoever on that durn fool’s political decisions,” the Lord Of Hosts announced through a burning spokesbush. “Last advice I gave him was to take up a nice quiet hobby like antiquing, and next thing I know he’s seized a wildlife refuge. Whole family’s nuts, you ask Me.”

The younger Bundy, who during his trial for the takeover of the Oregon wildlife refuge went full-bozo Sovereign Citizen and declared himself an “idiot of the Legal Society,” to whom man’s law doesn’t apply, made the announcement during an interview with the Nevada Independent. He plans to file his candidacy March 14 and then go on a speaking tour of the state, which ought to make for some interesting video as he lays forth his political philosophy. It is unclear at this early date whether he will insist his campaign bus display only homemade cardboard license plates.

(more)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:46:02am

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

The younger Bundy, who during his trial for the takeover of the Oregon wildlife refuge went full-bozo Sovereign Citizen and declared himself an “idiot of the Legal Society,” to whom man’s law doesn’t apply, made the announcement during an interview with the Nevada Independent. He plans to file his candidacy March 14 and then go on a speaking tour of the state, which ought to make for some interesting video as he lays forth his political philosophy. It is unclear at this early date whether he will insist his campaign bus display only homemade cardboard license plates.

Those are fine if he plans to only drive on privately owned and operated roads.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:32:28am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those are fine if he plans to only drive on privately owned and operated roads.

That goes back to the original interpretation of travel by automobile.

When the car was invented, courts routinely struck down any traffic law, testing, or registration as unconstitutional. That theory rested on IX Amendment interpretations, as well as common law interpretations that you pretty much had the right to walk, drag, push, or pull anything across the landscape. (For example, no one was taxed or registered to use the Oregon Trail.)

As the road carnage increased, state legislatures (especially Nebraska and Iowa, at the time the states with the most autos), then courts started cracking down on the idea … with rights (travel by automobile) comes responsibility (proof of competency, inspection, &c).

A person at the Oklahoma City University Law Review wrote an exhaustive article titled The Orphaned Right: The Right to Travel by Automobile, 1890-1950 (abstract, full document may be downloaded free or viewed as a PDF there - it is a fascinating article on the history of automobile licensing and registration).

The last “right to travel” cases were fought in the Fifties. After the Thirties or so, such cases universally lost in courts.

Similar arguments were made when the velocipede was invented and states tried to prohibit them or register them, but velocipedes (and later bicycles) continue to this day to be largely ignored by states (though some laws requiring helmets and such have been fought by libertarians as unconstitutional based on the old auto right to travel that existed in the nation).

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:43:43am

It is possible with the exhaustive body of legal theory behind imposing legal requirements on cars and drivers (one of the most restricted actions one can do in public), those arguments could be used in reining in the extremist libertarian interpretations of the II Amendment (and for the same reason: the carnage is becoming unacceptable).

The NRA right now is in the same position as the AAA and the American Wheelmen’s Association (now defunct), arguing for absolutist rights without responsibility. When public opinion turned against the auto clubs, they started losing in court.

Public opinion is now turning against the NRA.

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I cannot.  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:58:54am

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

American Wheelmen’s Association (now defunct)

Was that a union of getaway drivers?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:01:56am

re: #128 I cannot.

Was that a union of getaway drivers?

LOL. No, they were extremist libertarian types (before the term existed) who felt such things as speed limits for cars on the paths in Central Park were unconsitutional.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:04:18am

Guns and gun control explained with cats. The creator of this video is encouraging people to go to the March for our Lives rally in Washington. (3:46)

Guns Explained With Cats

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Nyet  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:09:57am

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

That wasn’t an apple pie!

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jeffreyw  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:17:35am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:19:08am

re: #132 jeffreyw

Hi, Jeff!

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:34:18am

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

It is possible with the exhaustive body of legal theory behind imposing legal requirements on cars and drivers (one of the most restricted actions one can do in public), those arguments could be used in reining in the extremist libertarian interpretations of the II Amendment (and for the same reason: the carnage is becoming unacceptable).

The NRA right now is in the same position as the AAA and the American Wheelmen’s Association (now defunct), arguing for absolutist rights without responsibility. When public opinion turned against the auto clubs, they started losing in court.

Public opinion is now turning against the NRA.

Unfortunately that the courts are now being filled with Federalist Society judges with no ethics or moral who will overturn every decent decision of the past 50 years. Too bad the Bernie Bros thought this was a small price to pay to stop Hillary. Of course, most of them don’t really think things through

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:44:19am

re: #134 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately that the courts are now being filled with Federalist Society judges with no ethics or moral who will overturn every decent decision of the past 50 years. Too bad the Bernie Bros thought this was a small price to pay to stop Hillary. Of course, most of them don’t really think things through

That definitely makes this year’s election important (along with the aging Anthony Kennedy and Notorious RBG on the Supreme Court).

I am definitely glad to see the Democrats have decided that running candidates in areas which they ignored in the past is happening. Maybe I’ll get to vote for someone this time.

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dangerman  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:47:50am

re: #90 teleskiguy

Oh, and they’re *stoked* that Fuckface Von Clownstick will maybe (probably not) have a meeting with one of the worst dictators in the world. And the good jobs numbers that came out? That was all orchestrated by Fuckface Von Clownstick, who will go down in history as one of the country’s greatest presidents, if not the greatest (Alex Jones really did say this today). Bill O’Reilly had a nice conversation with Glenn Beck about how religion is under attack. Yeah, right wing talk radio listeners are fucking brainwashed beyond hope.

Reagan greatest president ever
Gwb greatest president ever
Trump greatest president ever (barely 1 year in)

See a pattern?

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lawhawk  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:51:26am

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

It is possible with the exhaustive body of legal theory behind imposing legal requirements on cars and drivers (one of the most restricted actions one can do in public), those arguments could be used in reining in the extremist libertarian interpretations of the II Amendment (and for the same reason: the carnage is becoming unacceptable).

The NRA right now is in the same position as the AAA and the American Wheelmen’s Association (now defunct), arguing for absolutist rights without responsibility. When public opinion turned against the auto clubs, they started losing in court.

Public opinion is now turning against the NRA.

What’s particularly interesting is that gun violence is actually down overall since the crime spike of the 1980s/early 1990s. Mass shootings, however, are way up. Suicides are actually rather constant though trending up in recent years. (source).

The gun violence carnage is finally catching up with the NRA after decades of the NRA preventing meaningful action.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:54:58am

re: #137 lawhawk

What’s particularly interesting is that gun violence is actually down overall since the crime spike of the 1980s/early 1990s. Mass shootings, however, are way up. Suicides are actually rather constant though trending up in recent years. (source).

The gun violence carnage is finally catching up with the NRA after decades of the NRA preventing meaningful action.

It has been theorised that banning lead from paint and gasoline had an effect on the overall violence numbers declining (not just shootings, but things like assault as well). I’m not educated enough to evaluate those claims, though it seems that could be true (as lead ingestion is known to lead to violent behaviour).

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dangerman  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:00:31am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

That goes back to the original interpretation of travel by automobile.

When the car was invented, courts routinely struck down any traffic law, testing, or registration as unconstitutional. That theory rested on IX Amendment interpretations, as well as common law interpretations that you pretty much had the right to walk, drag, push, or pull anything across the landscape. (For example, no one was taxed or registered to use the Oregon Trail.)

As the road carnage increased, state legislatures (especially Nebraska and Iowa, at the time the states with the most autos), then courts started cracking down on the idea … with rights (travel by automobile) comes responsibility (proof of competency, inspection, &c).

A person at the Oklahoma City University Law Review wrote an exhaustive article titled The Orphaned Right: The Right to Travel by Automobile, 1890-1950 (abstract, full document may be downloaded free or viewed as a PDF there - it is a fascinating article on the history of automobile licensing and registration).

The last “right to travel” cases were fought in the Fifties. After the Thirties or so, such cases universally lost in courts.

Similar arguments were made when the velocipede was invented and states tried to prohibit them or register them, but velocipedes (and later bicycles) continue to this day to be largely ignored by states (though some laws requiring helmets and such have been fought by libertarians as unconstitutional based on the old auto right to travel that existed in the nation).

Weren’t there velocipedes in Jurassic Park?

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lawhawk  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:01:41am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

It does seem that there’s a correlation there, and I’ve seen studies suggesting causation.

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jeffreyw  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:02:42am

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹

Backatcha!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:07:05am

re: #139 dangerman

Weren’t there velocipedes in Jurassic Park?

I don’t know. I have not seen the film.

re: #140 lawhawk

It does seem that there’s a correlation there, and I’ve seen studies suggesting causation.

Thank you for that. I am reading it now.

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Jay C  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:10:43am

re: #139 dangerman

Weren’t there velocipedes in Jurassic Park?

Only in the book. They tried to breed them from reconstructed ancient DNA, but the wheels never developed quite right.

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lawhawk  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:11:33am
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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:12:13am

re: #143 Jay C

Only in the book. They tried to breed them from reconstructed ancient DNA, but the wheels never developed quite right.

They just needed a more Subtle Knife.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:13:51am

re: #144 lawhawk

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I guess they just thought that people would just roll over.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:17:06am

re: #143 Jay C

Only in the book. They tried to breed them from reconstructed ancient DNA, but the wheels never developed quite right.

Now I get the joke in Dangerman’s comment #139. I am slow. I will be slower tomorrow when Daylight Saving Time starts. I’ll be two hours behind Central Time for one hour. Then I’ll be two hours ahead of Pacific time for one hour. Then I’ll be completely confused for a week.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:19:01am

re: #143 Jay C

Only in the book. They tried to breed them from reconstructed ancient DNA, but the wheels never developed quite right.

That’s a wheely bad joke…

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Jay C  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:20:04am

re: #148 William Lewis

That’s a wheely bad joke…

Sorry. I must be tire-d…

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:20:52am

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹

For us in Europe, Summer Time won’t start until the 25 March (a Sunday). Still a couple of weeks to go. On the other hand, today’s high here is about 54 F and should just touch 60 F tomorrow. Practically tropical, LOL (after the last two weeks of subzero temps, I ain’t complaining).

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:28:55am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

For us in Europe, Summer Time won’t start until the 25 March (a Sunday). Still a couple of weeks to go. On the other hand, today’s high here is about 54 F and should just touch 60 F tomorrow. Practically tropical, LOL (after the last two weeks of subzero temps, I ain’t complaining).

Right now it’s 34F here. The average high for this date is 49.9F and the low 19.1F. Today’s predicted high is 48.

See Libtarts! No Globul Warming!!!1!21!eleventy!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:39:03am

re: #143 Jay C

Only in the book. They tried to breed them from reconstructed ancient DNA, but the wheels never developed quite right.

because they only cloned girls’ bikes

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:39:39am

BBL.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:40:32am

re: #148 William Lewis

That’s a wheely bad joke…

Spoke-n like a true punster

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:00:29am

Spring pun thread cycles forward.

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:00:42am
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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:06:16am

re: #149 Jay C

Sorry. I must be tire-d…

At least you spoke up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:08:06am

There’s A Christian Alternative To Obamacare. But There’s A Catch. (goes to Huffington Post)

Health sharing ministries cost less than insurance, but don’t make the same coverage guarantees, as this Nebraska couple learned.

The article goes into so called “Medi-share” Christian alternatives to regular insurance regulated by the ACA. They are actually primarily another Christian grift to take advantage of conservative marks.

The lede:

NORFOLK, Neb. ― Danielle Lammers, a 35-year-old administrative assistant, wife and mother, had a bump on the back of her lower thigh. It had been there for as long as she could remember, but in July of last year it started to hurt while the family was on vacation at a lakeside cabin in Missouri. Her family doctor referred her to a surgeon who could remove it, though she soon learned she was pregnant and had to put off the procedure until she was in her second trimester.

Both the doctor and the surgeon seemed confident the growth was benign. It wasn’t. A biopsy showed that Danielle had clear-cell sarcoma, a rare, potentially lethal cancer that typically affects people aged 20 to 40. Suddenly, Danielle needed another, more invasive operation. And she had to get it at an academic medical center in Omaha two hours away, because the doctors closer to her home in Norfolk, a farming and manufacturing city of about 25,000 residents, had never seen it before.

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:19:32am

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹

“…People who join sharing ministries must generally agree, in advance, to forgo lawsuits and take any disputes to arbitration. Usually that means “biblically based mediation and arbitration,” which is a sometimes controversial method that relies partly on religious law. A member with a problem cannot appeal to state insurance regulators for help, because sharing ministries fall outside their jurisdiction.”

AKA “Sharia law.”

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darthstar  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:19:59am
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HappyWarrior(Not Larry Kudlow)  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:22:30am

re: #160 darthstar

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Wonder if Gotti’s lawyers were stupid enough to think something like that would work.

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darthstar  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:24:38am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Wonder if Gotti’s lawyers were stupid enough to think something like that would work.

End the investigation, and we’ll even throw in free dessert for your entire party…we’ve got great chocolate cakes…really, you should try them.

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darthstar  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:25:49am

So I saw something interesting that definitely deserves being fueled in the rumor mill…and it’s juicy enough to get legs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:31:12am

re: #159 jaunte

AKA “Sharia law.”

But it’s based on the Bible, not that heathen stuff!!!

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Jay C  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:35:02am

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹

re: #159 jaunte

AKA “Sharia law.”

But it’s based on the Bible, not that heathen stuff!!!

SRSLY: No amputations or beheadings*, so it’s all OK..

that we know of

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dangerman  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:35:22am

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹

Now I get the joke in Dangerman’s comment #139. I am slow. I will be slower tomorrow when Daylight Saving Time starts. I’ll be two hours behind Central Time for one hour. Then I’ll be two hours ahead of Pacific time for one hour. Then I’ll be completely confused for a week.

is a velocipede a very fast centipede?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:36:08am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Wonder if Gotti’s lawyers were stupid enough to think something like that would work.

Well, a defence lawyer is duty-bound to represent his or her client to the utmost of his or her ability.

If the lawyer tries that gambit and the investigator or prosecutor tells the lawyer to take a hike, it costs the lawyer and defendant nothing.

If it works (reduced charges, dropped charges), then the lawyer has successfully represented his client.

I suppose you can’t blame Mr. Trump’s lawyers for trying that idea. Mr. Mueller either tells them “no” and they lose nothing, or he agrees to some or all of their terms and they gain an edge in the investigation.

Frequently in less-serious criminal investigations lawyers will tell the police or district attorney to “stick it, dig up your own evidence.”

The idea that this is very public is to either gain public sympathy or they are desperate. If they had a better argument to present, they would present that.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:37:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:38:36am

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹

But it’s based on the Bible, not that heathen stuff!!!

I cannot even joke about this attitude: it is founded in their Article of Faith that not only America is a Christian Nation but that all other religions (and even the “wrong” Christian denominations) are somehow anti-American.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:38:55am

re: #168 Ace-o-aces

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:39:14am

Morning!

I hate to ask…does our union still stand?

It’s a question I ask every morning now, you never know what The Orange Behemoth has managed to screw up over night.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:39:55am

re: #168 Ace-o-aces

NYT: “Today, we will turn our op-ed section completely over to letters from baby-eaters. Tomorrow, Bari Weiss will write a column on how the left is ignoring baby-eaters in Iran.”

Why was Chelsea an only child at a time when Bill appeared incredibly well fed? We need Senate hearings on the matter!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:44:06am

re: #171 ObserverArt

Morning!

I hate to ask…does our union still stand?

It’s a question I ask every morning now, you never know what The Orange Behemoth has managed to screw up over night.

Yes. We stand. Moreover, a whole lot of people who were on the fence about “both parties being just the same” (a pernicious right-wing talking point for decades) are learning that’s a lie, and translating that realisation into votes.

We’ll have to see how the special election in Penna. for the US House and the election for the Tenn. state senate goes, but so far the Democrats are on a roll since the election.

It is noteworthy that in Texas for the first time in decades, there is a Democratic challenger in every Texas house and senate race in the state.

It wasn’t too long in my own state we had a Democratic governor (John Kerry, who replaced the recently deceased Charles Thone - for whom our flags are still at half-staff).

This is not unwinnable. It is hard, but democracy is hard. Every generation has to learn that it cannot simply sit back and watch politics go by.

As evidenced by the massive political uprising by the young adults against the NRA, entrenched conservative interests are in retreat across much of the political battlefield. (I think I’m done with war analogies now.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:55:45am

still a moron

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:02:23am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

What the hell is he talking about here:

Congratulations to Kristian Saucier, a man who has served proudly in the Navy, on your newly found Freedom. Now you can go out and have the life you deserve!

I have no idea who this person is, but does Trump think the Navy is a prison or something?

As for President Xi above that, he’s no fool, and China has a very long history of playing fools. I’m sure Mr. Xi knows exactly what buttons to push to make Donald Trump feel special.

Also, I imagine Mr. Xi wants no war in North Korea initiated by the USA or anyone else. If he can stroke Mr. Trump’s ego enough, he might even be able to talk Trump into some sort of “peace in our time” statement and claim credit for it.

President Xi does seem to be interested in centralising power, but he doesn’t strike me either as a narcissist or a fool.

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danarchy  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:05:42am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

What the hell is he talking about here:

I have no idea who this person is, but does Trump think the Navy is a prison or something?

As for President Xi above that, he’s no fool, and China has a very long history of playing fools. I’m sure Mr. Xi knows exactly what buttons to push to make Donald Trump feel special.

Also, I imagine Mr. Xi wants no war in North Korea initiated by the USA or anyone else. If he can stroke Mr. Trump’s ego enough, he might even be able to talk Trump into some sort of “peace in our time” statement and claim credit for it.

President Xi does seem to be interested in centralising power, but he doesn’t strike me either as a narcissist or a fool.

Kristian Saucier was arrested for taking a picture on a nuclear sub. At the time the right used it as an example of how Hillary got different treatment than the average Joe

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:05:58am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

saucier took photos of classified areas of a nuclear submarine, for which he was convicted and sentenced to a year in prison.
the yam pardoned him this week.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:08:25am

We went out to Port Chester last night and saw Elvis Costello & The Imposters. It was everything I expected it to be and more. The core band is mostly the old Attractions (Pete Thomas on drums and the incredible Steve Nieve on keyboards, with Davey Faragher on bass in place of Steve Thomas).

If they come close to your neck of the woods and you like the early Attractions stuff, I urge you to go. The show was mostly from the first three albums, the Two Tone singles (he did ‘I Can’t Stand Up’ and ‘Girls Talk’ pretty much straight away), a couple of brand new tunes. Just about every hit.

Declan was a much more crowd-friendly front man than I remember, joking with the crowd and telling stories between songs. And Steve Nieve is without a doubt one of the best musicians I’ve ever seen live. He played all the organ and synth stuff, but his work on the grand piano was just jaw-dropping.

And Costello did actual guitar solos, which cracked me up! He would have been drummed out of the New Wave Club for soloing back in the day, but he was working his effects and jumping on the wah-wah pedal like Hendrix. And he had his two AC-30s cranked, which got big bonus points from an old volume hog like me. :)

The shows may have just been a short NYC-based run (one night in Brooklyn and 3 in Port Chester), but if he takes this on the road, just go. Your inner New Wave fan will thank me later.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:10:35am

Morning Lizards

unbelievable

teh libtards are being mean to little nice Dana!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:15:22am

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

saucier took photos of classified areas of a nuclear submarine, for which he was convicted and sentenced to a year in prison.
the yam pardoned him this week.

He took pictures on a nuclear sub, which is a classified information violation, and Trump pardoned him?

Pulling from my dictionary of “kids get off my lawn” acronyms:

SMDH

The Navy is very clear about what you can and can’t photograph, whether it’s a submarine, a ship, a naval instillation, or anything else regarding national security.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:15:59am

re: #163 darthstar

So I saw something interesting that definitely deserves being fueled in the rumor mill…and it’s juicy enough to get legs.

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I gotta admit, I never thought about that. I always figured Trump and Melania had some kind of pre-nup contract, but being as I’ve never had one, I didn’t know about an infidelity clause.

Yeah….she could take him to the cleaners. And Trump being Trump, that right there probably scares him more than anything.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:17:45am

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

I gotta admit, I never thought about that. I always figured Trump and Melania had some kind of pre-nup contract, but being as I’ve never had one, I didn’t know about an infidelity clause.

Yeah….she could take him to the cleaners. And Trump being Trump, that right there probably scares him more than anything.

Considering who Trump is, and his two prior marriages, an infidelity clause might not be present in any per-nuptual agreement.

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:18:29am

re: #178 makeitstop

We went out to Port Chester last night and saw Elvis Costello & The Imposters. It was everything I expected it to be and more. The core band is mostly the old Attractions (Pete Thomas on drums and the incredible Steve Nieve on keyboards, with Davey Faragher on bass in place of Steve Thomas).

If they come close to your neck of the woods and you like the early Attractions stuff, I urge you to go. The show was mostly from the first three albums, the Two Tone singles (he did ‘I Can’t Stand Up’ and ‘Girls Talk’ pretty much straight away), a couple of brand new tunes. Just about every hit.

Declan was a much more crowd-friendly front man than I remember, joking with the crowd and telling stories between songs. And Steve Nieve is without a doubt one of the best musicians I’ve ever seen live. He played all the organ and synth stuff, but his work on the grand piano was just jaw-dropping.

And Costello did actual guitar solos, which cracked me up! He would have been drummed out of the New Wave Club for soloing back in the day, but he was working his effects and jumping on the wah-wah pedal like Hendrix. And he had his two AC-30s cranked, which got big bonus points from an old volume hog like me. :)

The shows may have just been a short NYC-based run (one night in Brooklyn and 3 in Port Chester), but if he takes this on the road, just go. Your inner New Wave fan will thank me later.

Sounds about like the show I saw with him back a few years ago here in Columbus. He is not the angry sullen Elive of his youth. He is now a master and comfortable with it.

I always have liked Elvis’ guitar work. He has his own style, but it works with his tunes.

And Stevie is great. I wonder what Elvis’ tunes would have sounded like all these years had he not had Steve by his side the whole way. I almost see Nieve as his arranger, because his keyboard parts make so many of the tunes. They are a great partnership.

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dangerman  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:19:28am

re: #179 bill d. (b.d.)

Morning Lizards

unbelievable

teh libtards are being mean to little nice Dana!!!

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the comments are….delusional
they would never hold up face to face

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meteor  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:19:37am

re: #178 makeitstop

I miss Port Chester. Used to live in White Plains for a while.

Newcastle 3- Southampton 0, 62 minutes in.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:21:04am

re: #184 dangerman

the comments are….delusional
they would never hold up face to face

they really are living in a delusional fantasy land

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:21:29am
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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:23:37am

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

He took pictures on a nuclear sub, which is a classified information violation, and Trump pardoned him?

Pulling from my dictionary of “kids get off my lawn” acronyms:

SMDH

The Navy is very clear about what you can and can’t photograph, whether it’s a submarine, a ship, a naval instillation, or anything else regarding national security.

You think Trump is concerned with National Security???

I think he is only concerned about his family’s security.

And if he could, he’d ask for those photos and probably give them to Russia himself. We can always make bigger and better subs anyway.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:26:05am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chinese President XI XINPING and I spoke at length about the meeting with KIM JONG UN of North Korea. President XI told me he appreciates that the U.S. is working to solve the problem diplomatically rather than going with the ominous alternative. China continues to be helpful!

— Donald J. Trump

Does Mr. Trump have a sufficiently large vocabulary to know words like “ominous,” “diplomatically,” or “is?”

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dangerman  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:26:08am

re: #163 darthstar

So I saw something interesting that definitely deserves being fueled in the rumor mill…and it’s juicy enough to get legs.

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Velocipede legs?

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:27:38am

re: #183 ObserverArt

Sounds about like the show I saw with him back a few years ago here in Columbus. He is not the angry sullen Elive of his youth. He is now a master and comfortable with it.

I always have liked Elvis’ guitar work. He has his own style, but it works with his tunes.

And Stevie is great. I wonder what Elvis’ tunes would have sounded like all these years had he not had Steve by his side the whole way. I almost see Nieve as his arranger, because his keyboard parts make so many of the tunes. They are a great partnership.

Yeah, he’s a little outside the box on guitar, but it definitely works.

They did a few tunes I never would have expected them to attempt live - they did ‘Beyond Belief,’ which I know gave them fits in the studio and led EC to hate it for a while. ‘Every Day I Write The Book’ was every bit the perfect sparkly pop tune it was on record. ‘Miracle Man,’ ‘Waiting Till the End of the World,’ ‘Alison’ done solo, ‘Watching the Detectives.’ All great, and nearly 100% faithful to the originals.

EC and Nieve did a new tune called ‘Elise In Tears,’ just Elvis on vocals and Nieve on grand piano. Dude, the power. The beauty. It was a song no one outside of the band knew, but it was probably the high point of the show.

Yes, I’m raving like a fan boy. The show was that good. I’d go again tomorrow night if we didn’t already have other plans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:27:58am

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

He took pictures on a nuclear sub, which is a classified information violation, and Trump pardoned him?

Pulling from my dictionary of “kids get off my lawn” acronyms:

SMDH

The Navy is very clear about what you can and can’t photograph, whether it’s a submarine, a ship, a naval instillation, or anything else regarding national security.

a bit of further explanation:
Trump Pardons Ex-Navy Sailor Sentenced For Photos Of Submarine

Trump frequently referenced Saucier’s case during the 2016 campaign as an example of what he said was an individual punished for a lesser offense than what his rival, Hillary Clinton, did with classified information on her private email server when she was secretary of state.

Saucier’s lawyers also cited Clinton’s case in an attempt to receive leniency in sentencing proceedings, which took place during the height of the campaign. Prosecutors rejected the comparison for several reasons, including the fact that Saucier acknowledged wrongdoing.

Saucier served as a machinist’s mate on the USS Alexandria, a nuclear attack submarine, from 2007 to 2012. According to court documents, he used his personal cellphone to take six photos of classified areas, instruments and equipment in the sub — including the nuclear reactor — in 2009.

more at the link

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Stanley Sea  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:29:46am

re: #178 makeitstop

Wow! So glad you got to go!

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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:31:13am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

It has been theorised that banning lead from paint and gasoline had an effect on the overall violence numbers declining (not just shootings, but things like assault as well). I’m not educated enough to evaluate those claims, though it seems that could be true (as lead ingestion is known to lead to violent behaviour).

Here’s a good article, lots of graphs as well, that makes the case pretty well

motherjones.com

Not just violence; also teen pregnancy, ADHD.

There’s even a theory that lead pipes in aqueducts, lead cooking pots and lead paint on dishes is partially responsible for the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:32:06am

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks, I will look at that.

That idea of Hillary Clinton classified E-mail has become an article of faith in conservative religion.

As with all religions, you can’t reason someone out of that they reasoned themselves into (whether it was actually reason or propaganda).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:34:42am

is ever thus…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:36:42am

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks, I will look at that.

That idea of Hillary Clinton classified E-mail has become an article of faith in conservative religion.

As with all religions, you can’t reason someone out of that they reasoned themselves into (whether it was actually reason or propaganda).

another link for you:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:37:56am
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Stanley Sea  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:41:08am

re: #191 makeitstop

When your dreamboat turns out to be a footnote….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:41:15am
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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:44:13am

re: #193 Stanley Sea

Wow! So glad you got to go!

I’d go again. At points, with the crowd going nuts, it approached the insanity of the beloved Live at Hollywood High EP. That early Punk vibe all over again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:45:01am

Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth

A former Bossier Parish pastor has been arrested after admitting to police he had meth at his Bossier City home.

Andy C. Harris, 56, of 2406 Benton Road in Bossier City, was charged with possession of a Schedule II controlled dangerous substance (methamphetamine) and possession of drug paraphernalia.

Harris was the senior pastor at The Church of the Cross, an Assemblies of God congregation perhaps best known for the 199-foot exterior cross it erected in 2009 on its property along U.S. 80 in Haughton.

Church officials confirmed Friday that Harris had resigned, but they wouldn’t comment further. References to Harris on the church’s site and some on social media have been deleted.

Harris lives in a 3,519-square-foot home on an acreage, according to parish property records. Detectives found approximately 3.4 grams of suspected meth for personal use, along with a smoking device and snorting straw at the home, the sheriff’s office said.

oops…

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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:52:11am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

This is not unwinnable. It is hard, but democracy is hard. Every generation has to learn that it cannot simply sit back and watch politics go by.

My periodic reminder:

In the 1960’s, early 70’s, liberal activists were super-active. They were well-organized, loud, public, in the streets day after day.

From 1964-1974, we got

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
EEOC, Fair Housing
Medicare, Medicaid
EPA
OSHA
Roe v Wade
end of the draft
lowering of the voting age

but once the draft ended, the liberals called MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! and went home. Conservatives called HALFTIME! and went back to the locker room to strategize for the second half.

Reagan’s campaign, and everything since, is a reflection of who’s on the battlefield and who didn’t bother.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:53:44am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth

oops…

Between this story and that photo or Rohrabacher with lines of cocaine in the shot, I’m starting to believe the whole lot of them are righteously jacked up on one thing or another.

They do every single thing they accuse us of doing. Fuckers.

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:55:33am

re: #191 makeitstop

Yeah, he’s a little outside the box on guitar, but it definitely works.

They did a few tunes I never would have expected them to attempt live - they did ‘Beyond Belief,’ which I know gave them fits in the studio and led EC to hate it for a while. ‘Every Day I Write The Book’ was every bit the perfect sparkly pop tune it was on record. ‘Miracle Man,’ ‘Waiting Till the End of the World,’ ‘Alison’ done solo, ‘Watching the Detectives.’ All great, and nearly 100% faithful to the originals.

EC and Nieve did a new tune called ‘Elise In Tears,’ just Elvis on vocals and Nieve on grand piano. Dude, the power. The beauty. It was a song no one outside of the band knew, but it was probably the high point of the show.

Yes, I’m raving like a fan boy. The show was that good. I’d go again tomorrow night if we didn’t already have other plans.

I remembering seeing Elvis on TV many years ago, and I can’t remember the show it was on. It might have been on Showtime when they had that show that featured an artist and they talked to them about their songs, life, etc.

It was just Elvis standing at the end of a big ol’ concert grand piano with Steve accompanying him on many of his great songs. They were in a nice theater type setting. It allowed you to really get a feel for how great a wordsmith he is in his lyrics.

By the way, did you know there is a great Elvis C. wiki. I use it to get his lyrics because I love lines like “If I told you I was lying, I might have been lying.”

The Elvis Costello Wiki

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:56:00am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:58:52am

re: #163 darthstar

So I saw something interesting that definitely deserves being fueled in the rumor mill…and it’s juicy enough to get legs.

[Embedded content]

Sorry, but I’m not buying that Trump would have an infidelity clause (that could be used against him) in any prenup.
Sure, Trump’s lawyers all seem to be vaguely incompetent at times, but not that incompetent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:01:08am
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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:02:26am

re: #205 ObserverArt

I remembering seeing Elvis on TV many years ago, and I can’t remember the show it was on. It might have been on Showtime when they had that show that featured an artist and they talked to them about their songs, life, etc.

It was just Elvis standing at the end of a big ol’ concert grand piano with Steve accompanying him on many of his great songs. They were in a nice theater type setting. It allowed you to really get a feel for how great a wordsmith he is in his lyrics.

By the way, did you know there is a great Elvis C. wiki. I use it to get his lyrics because I love lines like “If I told you I was lying, I might have been lying.”

The Elvis Costello Wiki

Cool resource, thanks!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:06:24am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:06:39am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth

oops…

“Last night I had an amazing vision from God…”

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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:06:50am

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Sorry, but I’m not buying that Trump would have an infidelity clause (that could be used against him) in any prenup.
Sure, Trump’s lawyers all seem to be vaguely incompetent at times, but not that incompetent.

Maybe not infidelity in itself… but if Stormy got pregnant?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:16:29am

re: #212 sagehen

Maybe not infidelity in itself… but if Stormy got pregnant?

AND…If Trump paid for her abortion…

It still wouldn’t deter those Pulpit Pimp Preachers and their fleeced flocks from kissing Trump’s ass and they would still flaunt their love for him like this brainwashed fool!

Remember, a majority of white women voted for Trump!
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:25:54am

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth

oops…

West Tennessee Pastor Indicted, Accused of Sexual Abuse of Minors

COVINGTON, Tenn. (AP) - A Tennessee pastor has been indicted on 47 charges related to sexual abuse of minors.

Tipton County Sheriff’s Chief Deputy Billy Daugherty told WREG-TV in Memphis that 39-year-old Ronnie Gorton has been accused by three people, including one under the age of 13.

Gorton was indicted Monday and jailed Tuesday. He declined to answer questions from reporters as he entered jail.

He is the former pastor of Awakening Church in Atoka.

Gorton faces one count of rape, 16 counts of statutory rape by an authority figure, 17 counts of sexual battery by an authority figure, five counts of aggravated sexual battery and several other charges.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:28:21am

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retired cynic  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:28:48am

re: #207 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Sorry, but I’m not buying that Trump would have an infidelity clause (that could be used against him) in any prenup.
Sure, Trump’s lawyers all seem to be vaguely incompetent at times, but not that incompetent.

There may be one, but it’s on the wife, I betcha.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:30:01am

re: #204 makeitstop

Rohrabacher with lines of cocaine in the shot

I hadn’t hear of that one!

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:31:16am
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A Mom Anon  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:31:31am

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹

Oh I’m sure that he’s confessed his sins and Jesus has forgiven him…..🤬🤮 So no biggie.

I will never understand parents who just leave their kids alone with random adults who tout some sort of credential.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:37:27am

and he continues to babble…

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:37:55am

re: #219 A Mom Anon

Oh I’m sure that he’s confessed his sins and Jesus has forgiven him…..🤬🤮 So no biggie.

I will never understand parents who just leave their kids alone with random adults who tout some sort of credential.

I don’t either. I never did.

The only thing I can figure is the usual deference to authority that is the hallmark of conservatives (who are not leaders). A pastor is an authority figure, so conservatives defer to him or her. The assertion “I’m trustworthy, I’m a pastor” is enough (plus it has the added authority of a Man of God [tm]).

Less-authoritarian denominations (so-called liberal churches) do not call these people and condemn them, even within the context of their alleged faith (forget secular law), and thus enable them.

I would give my next paycheck to actually hear a so-called liberal denomination come out and condemn a conservative church that covers up this crap, except that is a sucker bet: I know none will.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:38:29am

re: #217 Dr Lizardo

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I hadn’t hear of that one!

And guns!

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Nyet  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:41:05am

re: #218 JordanRules

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:44:50am

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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“And if you want to sell those top secret photos I know a guy who’d be interested”.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:51:50am

re: #222 makeitstop

LOLOL oh man. Rohrbacher on toot? He’s crazy enough as it is.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:53:17am

Can we have a new word for “globalist”, one with no ethnic connotations? ‘Cause issues of worldwide corporate reach and labor organization actually have to be talked about.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:54:34am

re: #204 makeitstop

Between this story and that photo or Rohrabacher with lines of cocaine in the shot, I’m starting to believe the whole lot of them are righteously jacked up on one thing or another.

They do every single thing they accuse us of doing. Fuckers.

re: #222 makeitstop

And guns!

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It looks to be a desk organizer, with slots holding writing implements or such

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:55:06am

re: #203 sagehen

My periodic reminder:

In the 1960’s, early 70’s, liberal activists were super-active. They were well-organized, loud, public, in the streets day after day.

From 1964-1974, we got

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
EEOC, Fair Housing
Medicare, Medicaid
EPA
OSHA
Roe v Wade
end of the draft
lowering of the voting age

but once the draft ended, the liberals called MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! and went home. Conservatives called HALFTIME! and went back to the locker room to strategize for the second half.

Reagan’s campaign, and everything since, is a reflection of who’s on the battlefield and who didn’t bother.

Whites also said “Hey, blacks weren’t supposed to be part of the deal.”

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:55:07am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

LOLOL oh man. Rohrbacher on toot? He’s crazy enough as it is.

Maybe he’d be like Dag Hammarskhold if he were ever off the shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:56:06am

re: #226 Decatur Deb

Can we have a new word for “globalist”, one with no ethnic connotations? ‘Cause issues of worldwide corporate reach and labor organization actually have to be talked about.

multi-national corporations.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:56:41am

re: #227 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It looks to be a desk organizer, with slots holding writing implements or such

[Embedded content]

Let’s hold the alleged cocaine in abeyance—these dumb fucks are clearly partying with booze and firesticks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:57:08am

heh

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:57:40am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

LOLOL oh man. Rohrbacher on toot? He’s crazy enough as it is.

Party of law and order, clearly.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:58:22am

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹

multi-national corporations.

Not enough—term must include the economic/political philosophy. And then there’s the ILO and the IWW.

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dangerman  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:58:42am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“congratulations”?

the guy committed a national security crime

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:59:02am

re: #226 Decatur Deb

Can we have a new word for “globalist”, one with no ethnic connotations? ‘Cause issues of worldwide corporate reach and labor organization actually have to be talked about.

What, you don’t like the Urban Dictionary definition?

Globalist

A Person whom Alex Jones believes is behind the shadow world government. Usually a globalist is a person of power and practices eugenics and satanism.

Alex Jones: Total globalist Bill Gates openly promotes cancer viruses in the vaccines. He’s behind the king of the globalist empire, David Rockefeller.

#globalistas#gliobalist#world government#globalsts#nwo

by Zogmond October 30, 2014

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 9:59:17am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Not enough—term must include the economic/political philosophy. And then there’s the ILO and the IWW.

Fascist corporations v trade unions.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:02:52am

Stormy Daniels Is Running Rings Around Trump’s Lawyer

This is quite a crew of miscreants we have running things these days. If they’d planned the Great Train Robbery, they’d have left the money behind and taken the coal from the engine. If they’d burgled the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, they’d have left the Rembrandt and made off with the fire extinguishers and the Men’s Room sign.

Take it away, NBC News.

President Donald Trump’s personal attorney used his Trump Organization email while arranging to transfer money into an account at a Manhattan bank before he wired $130,000 to adult film star Stormy Daniels to buy her silence. The lawyer, Michael Cohen, also regularly used the same email account during 2016 negotiations with the actress — whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford — before she signed a nondisclosure agreement, a source familiar with the discussions told NBC News. And Clifford’s attorney at the time addressed correspondence to Cohen in his capacity at the Trump Organization and as “Special Counsel to Donald J. Trump,” the source said.

Remind me not to hire this guy to set up my money-laundering operation in the Caymans. Or to help me with my parking tickets, for all that.

In a statement last month, Cohen said he used his “personal funds to facilitate a payment” to Clifford, who says she had an intimate relationship with Trump a decade ago. “Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly,” Cohen said in that statement. But an email uncovered in the last 24 hours and provided to NBC News by Clifford’s current attorney, Michael Avenatti, shows First Republic Bank and Cohen communicated about the money using his Trump company email address, not his personal gmail account.

If the Benny Hill theme is running through your head right now, you’re not alone.

esquire.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:03:13am
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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:03:24am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹

Fascist corporations v trade unions.

Still lacks the worldwideishness—

Called to lunch.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:04:35am

She’s pulled a couple quotes.

Rest easy, Lille has been saved from that ‘s’ in the comments.

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dangerman  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:05:29am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wait. Back up.

For every death from a gun there are 1000 SAVED?

33,000 gun deaths per year in America would = 33 MILLION lives saved by a gun.

33 MILLION

Imma need you to show your work. Verified data from reliable sources. Let’s see it.

every other gun owner didnt shoot 1000 people

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:05:42am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe we should intentionally misuse the terms and then get really snarky in the replies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:08:14am

re: #238 Skip Intro

If the Benny Hill theme is running through your head right now, you’re not alone.

Has to be done:

Benny Hill - Hospital Hi-Jinx w/Closing Chase (1986)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:08:43am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:10:12am

re: #238 Skip Intro

Stormy Daniels Is Running Rings Around Trump’s Lawyer

esquire.com

“Yakety Sax” intensifies.

-Yakety Sax- Music

Seriously, the next time Trump does a State of the Union, they need to play this instead of “Hail to the Chief”.

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:11:09am

re: #238 Skip Intro

Stormy Daniels Is Running Rings Around Trump’s Lawyer

esquire.com

I heard someone yesterday float the idea there could be a large Trump slush (offshore?) fund that Cohen is charged to use to clean up Little Trump Messes from time to time. This might be a use of something like a Bitcoin.

Nod nod, wink wink.

I guess the thinking is it is harder to find out what the money is for and where it is coming from if it is not directly tied to anything Trump. Cohen can just transfer it to a good account when needed and then pay from there.

But even that doesn’t seem to answer the questions about how the IRS records it and if all that is illegal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:12:51am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:15:08am

re: #247 ObserverArt

I heard someone yesterday float the idea there could be a large Trump slush (offshore?) fund that Cohen is charged to use to clean up Little Trump Messes from time to time. This might be a use of something like a Bitcoin.

Nod nod, wink wink.

I guess the thinking is it is harder to find out what the money is for and where it is coming from if it is not directly tied to anything Trump. Cohen can just transfer it to a good account when needed and then pay from there.

But even that doesn’t seem to answer the questions about how the IRS records it and if all that is illegal.

The 1970 Bank Secrecy Act requires reporting to the IRS any withdrawal or deposit of $10,000 or more to the IRS.

When we bought our car and withdrew the cash to pay for it, the bank required us to fill in the necessary paperwork for the IRS.

In Cohen’s case, he deposited the money in a bank in Manhattan. It doesn’t matter if he stashed it in the Cayman Islands first, if he deposited $130,000 in one giant slug it had to be reported.

The act allows for skirting the law (depositing several amounts of $9,999 in a row, for example).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:15:57am
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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:17:00am

They’ve created a monster in one Bernard Sanders.

But his believers will never see it that way.

Because monsters are never visited by little birdies.

Stamped: IMO.

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BigPapa  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:18:36am

Love it when a Bernout comes for Bob.

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Charmingly Persistent  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:19:20am

re: #43 Belafon

What the other millions of women are marching for is not defined by these women or their relationship to Farrakhan. If people let the marches become about these women, then it will be weakened when it is needed most.

I’m really worried about the attitude that taking part in a march that involves people with yucky views means we are adopting those views. There are no marches (on our side for sure) of any size that don’t involve such people. Not antiwar marches, not science/ antigun/ environmental/ prochoice - none.

If we can’t say “I don’t agree with X, but I support the goals of the group as a whole and so I am marching” then we are completely stymied. It’s fine to say Farrakhan stans should go away - they should! - but there is no way for us to make that happen. Our choices are (1) march; (2) not march; or (3) splinter into a million different groups. Only the first demonstrates any power and makes any change more likely to happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:20:56am
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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:25:03am

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹

The 1970 Bank Secrecy Act requires reporting to the IRS any withdrawal or deposit of $10,000 or more to the IRS.

When we bought our car and withdrew the cash to pay for it, the bank required us to fill in the necessary paperwork for the IRS.

In Cohen’s case, he deposited the money in a bank in Manhattan. It doesn’t matter if he stashed it in the Cayman Islands first, if he deposited $130,000 in one giant slug it had to be reported.

The act allows for skirting the law (depositing several amounts of $9,999 in a row, for example).

But ‘mouse, that doesn’t touch Trump directly which is the point. It ties Cohen into it and his ass is getting investigated right now.

He seems to be the guy paid well enough, and cocky enough to think he can get out of little problems like IRS.

Meanwhile The Orange Behemoth says he knows nothing. Nothing! Fake news…Mike Cohen is a nice guy. (Until he is not). And Trump doesn’t “payback” anyone for these payments. The money is already there for ready need.

It will be interesting if Mueller does track it all down, because I think Ms. Maddow hinted…if this has been done one time, how many other times and for who and what? It is Trump’s blackmail fund. Just who all has blackmailed him he needs such a system?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:25:44am

heads up Pennsylvania…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:29:57am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

So I guess Saccone will lose.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:31:20am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:32:05am

re: #251 ObserverArt

They’ve created a monster in one Bernard Sanders.

But his believers will never see it that way.

Because monsters are never visited by little birdies.

Stamped: IMO.

While I caucused for Sen. Sanders in my state, I rapidly soured on him as the primary season went on. I first rationalised it the way PUMAs did in 2008 (though I did not have the right to vote then due to emerging from homelessness) when I supported Barack Obama. As the primaries continued toward California and it became mathematically impossible for Sanders to win, I was over him still pushing the issue.

I would be all in favour of the California Primary being held at the front of the pack rather than last. California as such a large and populous state would have the benefit of primary candidates campaigning there first, and knocking out weak candidates right away.

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:34:01am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Damn. Cohen is going all in.

This is more mob like every day. He’s willing to take a hit for his Don.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:34:01am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

I use personal my personal E-mail for government business. That by itself isn’t illegal. It is pretty stupid to arrange a questionable NDA which benefits a candidate in a quid pro quo to use your freakin’ business E-mail when the man you are supporting owns that business.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:38:52am

re: #261 Anymouse 🌹

I use personal my personal E-mail for government business. That by itself isn’t illegal. It is pretty stupid to arrange a questionable NDA which benefits a candidate in a quid pro quo to use your freakin’ business E-mail when the man you are supporting owns that business.

A lot of people I work woth can be pretty dumb when it comes to email.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:41:28am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

So Cohen regularly used his Trump Org email address for NDA contracts he was trying to firewall Trump away from? A contract that Shuckaboo says Trump “won” an arbitration hearing about and that had a signature line intended for his hand? A contract that Trump acts like he’s bound by in refusing to comment on publicly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:41:36am
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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:43:29am
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BigPapa  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:46:16am

I’m getting a strong suspicion that nobody in TrumpWorld is very smart.

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Frenchy  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:46:45am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, fuck Bernie. Just go away, old man.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:47:30am

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

So Cohen regularly used his Trump Org email address for NDA contracts he was trying to firewall Trump away from? A contract that Shuckaboo says Trump “won” an arbitration hearing about and that had a signature line intended for his hand? A contract that Trump acts like he’s bound by in refusing to comment on publicly.

And can anybody explain how Cohen paying for the NDA is not an illegal campaign contribution? The only way it’s not illegal is if Trump paid for it personally, not through the Trump Org. In trying to insulate trump from the NDA payment Cohen has put both of them into a campaign finance law trap. And if Cohen didn’t file an IRS Form 709 for tax year 2016 listing the payment and either paid the gift tax or applied it against his lifetime estate exemption then he’s committed tax fraud.

Cohen has painted himself into a corner and the paint is flaming napalm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:47:49am

good grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:52:34am

welp

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Charmingly Persistent  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:52:37am

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

I gotta admit, I never thought about that. I always figured Trump and Melania had some kind of pre-nup contract, but being as I’ve never had one, I didn’t know about an infidelity clause.

Yeah….she could take him to the cleaners. And Trump being Trump, that right there probably scares him more than anything.

I don’t believe Trump would sign a prenup that included penalties for him cheating. Penalties for his wife, sure. Not him.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:56:22am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

Has anyone told Michael Cohen that he has the right to remain silent?

He certainly does have the right to remain silent. However, that doesn’t mean he has the capacity to remain silent.

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prairiefire  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:56:23am

Perspective!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 10, 2018 • 10:56:51am

re: #271 Charmingly Persistent

I don’t believe Trump would sign a prenup that included penalties for him cheating. Penalties for his wife, sure. Not him.

Yeah, good point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:00:15am
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Nyet  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:00:30am

“Let him arrest me,” Nunberg told the Washington Post, referring to the special counsel, Robert Mueller. “Mr. Mueller should understand I am not going in on Friday.”

But he told ABC News this was all “for show.”

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Jay C  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:00:57am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Actually, Bob does have something of a point here - and so, for that matter, does Sen. Sanders: but by way of commentary:

1. Fuck Bernie Sanders. Vigorously. The guy is NOT a Democrat, and his endorsement/lack-of shouldn’t carry any more weight than any other “celebrity”, Senator or no.

2. That said, I can’t see why support for Diane Feinstein ought to be some sort of Democratic touchstone for the midterms: she’s 84 years old, been in the Senate forever, and except for the issue of seniority, it’s hard to see where her retirement (see point 3) would be some sort of disaster.

3. This is California: one of the bluest states in the Union: if DiFi were to bow out (hopefully “gracefully”, and hopefully work to elect a Democratic successor) what are the chances of the Republicans grabbing the seat anyway? Their bench in CA is godawfully thin, and unpopular statewide: TBH, the Dem bullpen isn’t that fantastic either, but still an improvement over the GOP.

4. And just to be clear, see point 1). Again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:02:28am
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electrotek  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:04:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:06:44am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:10:08am

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

He certainly does have the right to remain silent. However, that doesn’t mean he has the capacity to remain silent.

By all means, don’t tell him if he doesn’t know (and if he doesn’t, he is one crappy lawyer, or he’s trying to set up a narrative to give himself an (im)plausible excuse.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:13:03am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lincoln, Nebraska represents!

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:14:11am

re: #255 ObserverArt

Meanwhile The Orange Behemoth says he knows nothing. Nothing! Fake news…Mike Cohen is a nice guy. (Until he is not). And Trump doesn’t “payback” anyone for these payments. The money is already there for ready need.

The payments out of the Trump org (which added up to one dollar short of $130K) and then the subsequent transfer of money to Says Who (complete with email notification) just might square that circle.

These guys think they’re NY mobsters. But any of the heads of the Five Families would have known to just keep their heads down and take care of business.

Cohen and Trump are not capable of doing that. They never would have gotten a gig in any of the NY crime families. They would have gotten off easy with a good beatdown.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:15:22am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:17:12am

re: #266 BigPapa

I’m getting a strong suspicion that nobody in TrumpWorld is very smart.

“Only the best people.”

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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:17:38am

re: #277 Jay C

1. Agreed

2. I’m wavering on DiFi: In a time when norms are being shattered, there is an argument for maintaining institutional memory; and she’s been quite good on facing down the White House. It’s one place where her annoying, vaguely aristocratic (plutocratic) persona gives her an edge.

3. Yup, Dem will win and won’t be terrible.

4. Yup. Again.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:18:06am

re: #270 Backwoods_Sleuth

welp

[Embedded content]

He has learned that Mueller knows far more than anyone in Trumpworld thinks he does.

They’ll all learn. Some later than others.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:18:22am

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

[Embedded content]

SMH.

Kim Jong Un is probably going to go ahead and launch one now just to make Trump look like a fucking idiot (not that it ever takes much effort to do that).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:22:18am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:27:06am

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

SMH.

Kim Jong Un is probably going to go ahead and launch one now just to make Trump look like a fucking idiot (not that it ever takes much effort to do that).

And a promise “not to launch one through our meetings” (assuming that Mr. Kim made that promise) says diddly about the day after those meetings occur.

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:05:38pm

re: #276 Nyet

Bottom Line: Do Not Trust a Damn Thing out of the mouth of Roger Stone or any of His Stoner Proteges.

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retired cynic  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:06:46pm

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

Lincoln, Nebraska represents!

So did the local large town around here. I was surprised, because this is quite a red area, but the high school kids were on it and the paper (also quite red) covered it on the front page, and nicely.


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