Acoustic Guitar Excellence: Ian Ethan Case, “The Axis”

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Ian Ethan Case is one of my favorites among the new breed of acoustic guitarists; he’s making music reminiscent of American composer Steve Reich.

Earth Suite, the new record by Ian Ethan Case available now: candyrat.com

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Ian Ethan Case - acoustic double-neck guitar
Amir Milstein - flute
Eugene Friesen - cello
Bertram Lehmann - percussion
G Maxwell Zemanovic - drums

Live performance dates: ianethan.com

Video by Duncan Wilder - rhythmofyou.com

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424 comments

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:22:12am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:31:31am

Thanks Jerry…
latimes.com

The price of the California bullet train project jumped sharply Friday when the state rail authority announced that the cost of connecting Los Angeles to San Francisco would be $77.3 billion and could rise as high as $98.1 billion — an uptick of at least $13 billion from estimates two years ago.
The rail authority also said the earliest trains could operate on a partial system between San Francisco and Bakersfield would be 2029 — four years later than the previous projection. The full system would not begin operating until 2033.

My take is 150 to 200 billion before it goes into regular service. Worth it?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:32:22am

Sitting in nola airport. BeachDem is on the way home.

Bored & ya’ll are slow posting…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:32:47am

re: #2 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks Jerry…
latimes.com

My take is 150 to 200 billion before it goes into regular service. Worth it?

In the long run I’d say yes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:33:19am

re: #3 Stanley Sea

Sitting in nola airport. BeachDem is on the way home.

Bored & ya’ll are slow posting…

It’s Saturday and the weather is nice outside. :p

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:35:19am

re: #2 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks Jerry…
latimes.com

My take is 150 to 200 billion before it goes into regular service. Worth it?

Not at all. Kill the damn thing.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:38:03am

re: #2 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks Jerry…
latimes.com

My take is 150 to 200 billion before it goes into regular service. Worth it?

Do we have anything to compare that price to?

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wrenchwench  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:39:26am

re: #3 Stanley Sea

Sitting in nola airport. BeachDem is on the way home.

Bored & ya’ll are slow posting…

Get to work. It’s up to you. I’d suggest a topic, but I’m in the mood to watch an argument, so I’ll just be quiet.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:39:36am

re: #7 Belafon

Like a 100mph train maybe?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:41:01am

re: #6 Skip Intro

Not at all. Kill the damn thing.

Right. Already too many people from SoCal come here. We shouldn’t be making it easier.
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:42:30am

re: #7 Belafon
worldbank.org

The paper notes that construction cost of high speed rail in China tends to be lower than in other countries. China’s high speed rail with a maximum speed of 350 km/h has a typical infrastructure unit cost of about US$ 17-21m per km, with a high ratio of viaducts and tunnels, as compared with US$25-39 m per km in Europe and as high as US$ 56m per km currently estimated in California.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:42:48am

re: #9 Unshaken Defiance

Like a 100mph train maybe?

Google said that the distance from LA to San Fran is about 380 miles. I wonder if we can get prices to compare to for covering that distance, maybe with something like a 100 mph train. I also wonder how much the rising cost of real estate in CA is contributing to the price increase.

Edit: Also, is that rise in cost due to Trump stopping the money from the federal government.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:43:11am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:44:20am

re: #7 Belafon

Do we have anything to compare that price to?

Let’s see. What would it be worth to me to be able to take a fast train from San Francisco to Bakersfield.

Exactly zero.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:45:07am

re: #8 wrenchwench

Get to work. It’s up to you. I’d suggest a topic, but I’m in the mood to watch an argument, so I’ll just be quiet.

Too . damn . tired.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:46:57am

Posted on the end of the last thread and orphaned:

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

SMH.

Kim Jong Un is probably going to go ahead and launch one now just to make Trump look like a fucking idiot (not that it ever takes much effort to do that).

re: #290 Anymouse 🌹

And a promise “not to launch one through our meetings” (assuming that Mr. Kim made that promise) says diddly about the day after those meetings occur.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:47:54am

re: #12 Belafon

Given that one can work and communicate on a train unlike in a car (as driver at least) we are paying a very high price for a very fast large shiny object and our impatience. Pride costs billions. I don’t want to over rate Trump. Legislative budget worries are legit. When a private company goes over budget like that careers end. California legislators can just say “oops” raise a tax and move on, unassailable supermajority incumbents.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:48:01am

re: #2 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks Jerry…
latimes.com

My take is 150 to 200 billion before it goes into regular service. Worth it?

How much of that price jump is correlated to Mr. Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs?

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:48:40am

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹

Zero. 0$ not a factor as of yet, if ever.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:48:48am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:51:18am

re: #20 JordanRules

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But they’re right! If Hillary Clinton had won, we wouldn’t have a woman as FLOTUS!!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:51:20am

re: #20 JordanRules

He’s certainly got the record for appointing the most family members in a long time … I recall when Bill Clinton tasked Hillary Clinton with leading a task force to come up with a health care plan and conservatives went off the rails screaming about nepotism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:51:57am

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

But they’re right! If Hillary Clinton had won, we wouldn’t have a woman as FLOTUS!!!!

Huma Abadin.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:52:13am

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹

How much of that price jump is correlated to Mr. Trump’s steel and aluminum tariffs?

Zero.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:53:22am

re: #17 Unshaken Defiance

There are these things called airplanes that fly between SF and LA with some regularity.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:54:12am

re: #25 Skip Intro

There are these things called airplanes that fly between SF and LA with some regularity.

Aeroplanes carry far fewer people than a train, and pollute far more. There are tradeoffs.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:54:46am

re: #20 JordanRules

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Oh the replies!

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:55:09am

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹

Aeroplanes carry far fewer people than a train, and pollute far more. There are tradeoffs.

Do you know what power source and capacity the train will have, because I live here and I don’t.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:55:16am

re: #2 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks Jerry…
latimes.com

My take is 150 to 200 billion before it goes into regular service. Worth it?

Yes, well worth it but we should have been building this nationwide from the 70’s so that all we’d be doing now is upgrading from Gen1 to Gen2 or there abouts. For long-term sanity we have break American reliance on the automobile. Rail that can be much faster than cars is my preferred way of doing that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:55:56am

re: #25 Skip Intro

There are these things called airplanes that fly between SF and LA with some regularity.

And heading for LAX is always a pain in the gridlocked ass…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:56:05am

re: #25 Skip Intro

There are these things called airplanes that fly between SF and LA with some regularity.

“Why would I want to FLY to Los Angeles? The Southern Pacific already goes there!”

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:56:07am

I don’t want to kill the whole train idea. I just think we overshot the speed for shallow reasoning. re: #25 Skip Intro

And TSA can make the trip take half as time consuming just by shortening lines.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:56:24am

re: #3 Stanley Sea

Sitting in nola airport. BeachDem is on the way home.

Bored & ya’ll are slow posting…

I went through there in November. Wish I could have hung out for a while.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:56:36am

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Stanley Sea  Mar 10, 2018 • 11:57:34am

re: #33 makeitstop

I went through there in November. Wish I could have hung out for a while.

Wouldve been great.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:01:00pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Oh the replies!

This one!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:01:48pm

re: #11 Unshaken Defiance

I suspect that China has four big advantages:

1) They don’t give a shit about private property, so no Eminent Domain cases tied up for years in courts. They’ll just build it where they want.

2) They don’t give a shit about environmental damage. They’ll just build it where they want.

3) They don’t give a shit about worker safety.

4) They don’t give much of a shit about making the whole thing as safe as possible.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:01:55pm

re: #14 Skip Intro

Let’s see. What would it be worth to me to be able to take a fast train from San Francisco to Bakersfield.

Exactly zero.

Is it cold where you are, so it disproves global warming as well?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:02:47pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

Do you know what power source and capacity the train will have, because I live here and I don’t.

Can’t say, but with existing rail technology, even if it used diesel, it would pollute far less than an aircraft (per person carried).

As far as transport using fossil fuels, rail is the method that pollutes the least per pound.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:02:51pm

Ah, letting the music machine mix the tracks is so much weird fun..

PiL “Flowers of Romance” into “Let It Go” from the Frozen soundtrack. :D Then Enya “The Memory of Trees” finally followed by Dio “Rainbow In The Dark”.

Love it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:03:15pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

Do you know what power source and capacity the train will have, because I live here and I don’t.

100% renewable sourced.

By 2040, the state estimates the HSR will eliminate up to 10 million miles of vehicle travel daily, as well as up to 180 short-haul flights.

sf.curbed.com

The initial estimate was a bargain, a mere 40 BILLION. LOL at us.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:03:55pm

re: #37 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect that China has four big advantages:

1) They don’t give a shit about private property, so no Eminent Domain cases tied up for years in courts. They’ll just build it where they want.

2) They don’t give a shit about environmental damage. They’ll just build it where they want.

3) They don’t give a shit about worker safety.

4) They don’t give much of a shit about making the whole thing as safe as possible.

And Europe? Why so much more than there, more than anywhere? Because we don’t manage big projects well at all.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:06:00pm

re: #42 Unshaken Defiance

And Europe?

Drastically shorter distances. London to Paris? 295 miles. To Edinbourgh? 402 miles.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:06:45pm

re: #42 Unshaken Defiance

And Europe?

It certainly was nice to travel on high speed rail first class from Berlin to Gdansk. Much more relaxing than trying to drive it, or fiddling with a plane and airport security (long story).

Rail speeds were slower in Poland than Germany, but still much faster than a car.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:06:49pm

re: #43 William Lewis

Cost per mile, or kilometer if one prefers. :-)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:08:22pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

@DPRK_News
US scientists produce first half-human half-horse hybrid

I thought Sarah Jessica Parker had that honor.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:08:50pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:09:10pm

re: #42 Unshaken Defiance

And Europe? Why so much more than there, more than anywhere? Because we don’t manage big projects well at all.

Distances. HSR, and rail generally, works in places where the distances are relatively short. Like the NorthEast Corridor.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:10:11pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I thought Sarah Jessica Parker had that honor.

//

Catherine the Great gave her life trying to make this a reality.
//

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:11:34pm

re: #45 Unshaken Defiance

Cost per mile, or kilometer if one prefers. :-)

I was thinking more in terms of if you don’t have to build as long a distance, building can be optimized for the distances involved holding down costs. Also you can bet there was massive national government investment unlike the here where the Moron In Chief doesn’t get part of the profits so is uninterested in helping.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:11:43pm

re: #43 William Lewis

Drastically shorter distances. London to Paris? 295 miles. To Edinbourgh? 402 miles.

Also, when you get there you’re in the middle of a city with a well-designed public transit system.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:12:12pm

re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White

Catherine the Great gave her life trying to make this a reality.
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{ SMACK }

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:12:23pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

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Nyet  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:13:41pm

re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White

Catherine the Great gave her life trying to make this a reality.
//

They say there is the purely scientific footage of that experiment taking place somewhere online./

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:14:04pm

Gotta run a couple of errands but I leave you with this delight…

Curious penguins find camera, take video selfie

BIAB

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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:16:23pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, when you get there you’re in the middle of a city with a well-designed public transit system.

I think that’s key. I would love to have a well-organized, efficient, fast transportation network in California, but I fear that the current attempt at a high-speed rail project is not fully thought through, in terms of network and connections. Admittedly, I’m no expert, but I’d start small and scale up; this sounds like starting big and hoping to add the outside nodes.

They haven’t finished getting BART to San Jose yet, let alone circling the Bay and upgrading the whole system.

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scottslemmons  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:20:08pm

re: #52 William Lewis

{ SMACK }

The eternally wonderful Kate Beaton on Catherine the Great.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:20:36pm

re: #56 petesh

I think that’s key. I would love to have a well-organized, efficient, fast transportation network in California, but I fear that the current attempt at a high-speed rail project is not fully thought through, in terms of network and connections. Admittedly, I’m no expert, but I’d start small and scale up; this sounds like starting big and hoping to add the outside nodes.

They haven’t finished getting BART to San Jose yet, let alone circling the Bay and upgrading the whole system.

Fucking San Mateo County - “What do we need BART for? We’ve already got the SP Commuter trains, and 101, and we’re building another new freeway! We’ll NEVER have traffic jams!”

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:21:39pm
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freetoken  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:23:50pm

re: #56 petesh

A few years back, on this forum, I ranted a bit about the high-speed rail proposal.

Sure, I love the idea, rode trains all the time in Japan.

But high speed trains work in Japan because they are connected to local networks of trains, on which people ride daily for their livelihood.

California’s high speed rail is going first to… the middle of the state, surrounded by farmland, where no one rides mass transit, much less trains.

That had to do with cost and land availability, sure, but it leaves out the only connections in the state that would have enough riders to pay for the thing, and that would be the LA-Vegas-SD triangle.

But the southern part of the state is mountainous and hard to traverse (it took a while to figure out how to get trains to San Diego and the idea that was used was going through Mexico.)

Connecting Sacramento to SF is a good idea, too, but I wonder why that hasn’t been accomplished yet (with high-speed rail.) There is a lot of intransigence when it comes to doing these sort of things in California, no matter how “liberal” outsiders like to think Californians are.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:25:06pm

re: #54 Nyet

They say there is the purely scientific footage of that experiment taking place somewhere online./

I’ll take your word for that.
/

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freetoken  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:27:28pm

The reality is America has been built around the automobile for at least a century.

Our culture is wed to the idea of everyone having (at least one if not more) automobiles.

That’s not something that can be untangled by a few fleeting moments of community spirit that says we should ride trains.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:27:45pm
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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:28:08pm

re: #60 freetoken

Yup. I finally got to see the Tehachapi Loop, which filled me with wonder at what they could do 140 years ago! And also emphasizes the problems now, with all those damn people in the way. :-)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:28:31pm

re: #60 freetoken

A few years back, on this forum, I ranted a bit about the high-speed rail proposal.

Sure, I love the idea, rode trains all the time in Japan.

But high speed trains work in Japan because they are connected to local networks of trains, on which people ride daily for their livelihood.

California’s high speed rail is going first to… the middle of the state, surrounded by farmland, where no one rides mass transit, much less trains.

That had to do with cost and land availability, sure, but it leaves out the only connections in the state that would have enough riders to pay for the thing, and that would be the LA-Vegas-SD triangle.

But the southern part of the state is mountainous and hard to traverse (it took a while to figure out how to get trains to San Diego and the idea that was used was going through Mexico.)

Connecting Sacramento to SF is a good idea, too, but I wonder why that hasn’t been accomplished yet (with high-speed rail.) There is a lot of intransigence when it comes to doing these sort of things in California, no matter how “liberal” outsiders like to think Californians are.

Well, there’s the Bay. How do you get the train from SF to Oakland? BART goes under, but I don’t know if that’s appropriate for HSR. The Bay Bridge, when first built, gave the lower deck over to trains, but long ago it was given over to cars. You need a new bridge. Remember how long it took, and how expensive it was to build the Eastern Span?

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freetoken  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:30:31pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

Hokkaido is connected to Honshu through the Seikan tunnel:

en.wikipedia.org

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Dave In Austin  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:33:43pm

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Already too many people from SoCal come here. We shouldn’t be making it easier.
//

You know how many times a day I hear that in Austin??? I just throw my hand up and say “Don’t blame me……. I’m from Arizona”.

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freetoken  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:36:08pm

Atlanta, Dallas, Minneapolis - all testaments to America’s unwillingness to embrace rail for commuting, all three are behemoths of urban sprawl.

All built up largely after WWII, like SoCal, with the fact that millions of people can’t figure out if they want to close enough to other people for convenient access to skills and products, or not. So they make themselves micro-estates on former-farmland/desert where they are 20 or 30 miles away from where they want to go on any given day.

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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:38:17pm

As a proud Santa Cruzan, I say dynamite Highway 17.

I dont really mean it, but anyone in the Bay Area would understand the sentiment.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:38:45pm

As sadly as it is for a Nation that was built on the back of a railbed, Ike missed the mark on Infrastructure or there was no vision at the time. HS rail should have been promoted in the 50’s and 60’s. At this point as much as I like the idea, it will never happen because our culture rejected(s) it in favor of the car.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:39:19pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, there’s the Bay. How do you get the train from SF to Oakland? BART goes under, but I don’t know if that’s appropriate for HSR. The Bay Bridge, when first built, gave the lower deck over to trains, but long ago it was given over to cars. You need a new bridge. Remember how long it took, and how expensive it was to build the Eastern Span?

Trump should just declare Infrastructure Week so we can get some of this shit done.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:40:07pm

re: #69 petesh

As a proud Santa Cruzan, I say dynamite Highway 17.

I dont really mean it, but anyone in the Bay Area would understand the sentiment.

I used to live in Los Gatos in HS. It was quaint then….. But I get it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:40:56pm

re: #68 freetoken

Atlanta, Dallas, Minneapolis - all testaments to America’s unwillingness to embrace rail for commuting, all three are behemoths of urban sprawl.

All built up largely after WWII, like SoCal, with the fact that millions of people can’t figure out if they want to close enough to other people for convenient access to skills and products, or not. So they make themselves micro-estates on former-farmland/desert where they are 20 or 30 miles away from where they want to go on any given day.

Funny thing is, Minneapolis tried to reverse that with their light rail construction, but all they wound up doing was infuriating everybody with this “expensive”, “useless” project… that tons of people use now that it’s been extended to cover the inter-suburbs and Saint Paul.

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freetoken  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:41:19pm

re: #72 Dave In Austin

Same with San Diego county. Used to be the most lovely place on the planet.. until millions of people showed up.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:42:49pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

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freetoken  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:43:11pm

re: #73 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

San Diego’s light rail got off to a start then has hit a tough spot because the reality is that land is so expensive here that all that can be done is run tracks over previous right-of-ways, which is why most of San Diego’s light rail runs on previous train property.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:45:05pm

re: #76 freetoken

San Diego’s light rail got off to a start then has hit a tough spot because the reality is that land is so expensive here that all that can be done is run tracks over previous right-of-ways, which is why most of San Diego’s light rail runs on previous train property.

The river-crossing commute is the argument Minneapolis should have made for the project in the first place. That segment has immense value for the large numbers of people who live on one side of the river and work on the other. If they’d sold that segment first - even though it was undoubtedly the more expensive segment to build - they wouldn’t have faced so much resistance, and would probably have had an easier time selling additional segments beyond the current limited system.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:47:23pm

re: #69 petesh

As a proud Santa Cruzan, I say dynamite Highway 17.

I dont really mean it, but anyone in the Bay Area would understand the sentiment.

Some poor bastard on a bicycle with a GoPro camera did about 5 miles on 17, descending eastbound from the peak. You can tell from the audio that he had never been on or seen 17 before that.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:47:26pm

re: #62 freetoken

That’s not something that can be untangled by a few fleeting moments of community spirit that says we should ride trains.

At this point, fuck SpaceX - someone should start work on building an orbital elevator as they showed on Gundam 00

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:49:38pm

re: #68 freetoken

You know I love the Red Line, I’m a huge fan of subways to move the urban commuters. Zero cross traffic. Away from the platforms no pedestrians to hit. Challenging engineering in California geology.

Up top? We are the big open desert. Not a chain of towns or villages. It’s interesting to read above the HSR is thought to work well in a more dense population or smaller area. To me the long empty runs are exactly what justifies the speed, if / when anything does. I’m curious as heck, how much do we spend per mile an hour, rather than per mile?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:49:43pm

re: #11 Unshaken Defiance

worldbank.org

Theory: The cost in China is substantially cheaper because the cost of labor is far lower.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:56:26pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed, and regulatory circumstances matter a lot. Europe and Japan are better comparisons than China, and surely a bit limited by way of California too. The comparison I would get behind is the initial estimate of 40 billion vs now for the same chunk of the system. One part of the route is unsettled, interestingly enough the thing might just pass right under Angeles Shooting Ranges. 200 feet under. I might get to find out what that means for surface landowners first hand. Hoping not.

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freetoken  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:58:10pm

re: #77 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’ve mused on the idea that the Twin Cities would be the ideal urban area to build a new century of subways.

Forget light-rail, go all in on full size trains at full speed.

Geologically, southern MN is pretty stable. No reason to not tunnel all over the place.

And the nice thing about connecting a city with enclosures is that in winter one can walk around un-frozen. I know there is a network of sky-walks in Minneapolis, and that’s nice, but no where complete in coverage.

Living in Japan, if I wanted to go between say Osaka and Tokyo in the winter, the only time I had to be outdoors was in my walk to the subway station. From there I was all indoors or protected areas. Even in many cases the hotels are all connected underground to the rail stations.

Not that winter is particularly cold in that part of Japan, but it was nice nevertheless.

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retired cynic  Mar 10, 2018 • 12:59:32pm

Picked up from Charlie Pierce’s week ending blog post, music from NO:

Beau Jocque and the Zydeco HI-Rollers - Give Him Cornbread

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:02:01pm

re: #83 freetoken

I’ve mused on the idea that the Twin Cities would be the ideal urban area to build a new century of subways.

Forget light-rail, go all in on full size trains at full speed.

Geologically, southern MN is pretty stable. No reason to not tunnel all over the place.

And the nice thing about connecting a city with enclosures is that in winter one can walk around un-frozen. I know there is a network of sky-walks in Minneapolis, and that’s nice, but no where complete in coverage.

Living in Japan, if I wanted to go between say Osaka and Tokyo in the winter, the only time I had to be outdoors was in my walk to the subway station. From there I was all indoors or protected areas. Even in many cases the hotels are all connected underground to the rail stations.

Not that winter is particularly cold in that part of Japan, but it was nice nevertheless.

The only problem would be dealing with the large bodies of water scattered hither and yon. You’re not wrong, but there would be unique engineering challenges to implementing a subway in the Twin Cities area. Probably nothing insurmountable - how long have we been tunneling under various and sundry lakes, rivers, the freaking English Channel - but it’d take thought.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:03:14pm

re: #73 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Funny thing is, Minneapolis tried to reverse that with their light rail construction, but all they wound up doing was infuriating everybody with this “expensive”, “useless” project… that tons of people use now that it’s been extended to cover the inter-suburbs and Saint Paul.

The right wing uses fear of blah people riding out into the pristine suburbs to hate on the rail system. < spit >

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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:13:00pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

Some poor bastard on a bicycle with a GoPro camera did about 5 miles on 17, descending eastbound from the peak. You can tell from the audio that he had never been on or seen 17 before that.

Ah! Got video? (Assuming he survived; I don’t want death porn!)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:13:39pm

re: #50 William Lewis

I was thinking more in terms of if you don’t have to build as long a distance, building can be optimized for the distances involved holding down costs. Also you can bet there was massive national government investment unlike the here where the Moron In Chief doesn’t get part of the profits so is uninterested in helping.

Look, Ma—no right of way:

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:13:54pm

re: #86 William Lewis

The right wing uses fear of blah people riding out into the pristine suburbs to hate on the rail system. < spit >

Yet - ironies of ironies -it’s trains that feature prominently in Ayn Rand’s novels.

Go figure….

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:19:21pm

re: #89 The Major

Yet - ironies of ironies -it’s trains that feature prominently in Ayn Rand’s novels.

Go figure….

Ah but that’s because the railroad tycoons all built their systems by their force of will and lack of empathy for the prole wretches actually running & building things. So they deserve admiration according to her hateful excuse for a philosophy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:21:23pm

re: #62 freetoken

The reality is America has been built around the automobile for at least a century.

Our culture is wed to the idea of everyone having (at least one if not more) automobiles.

That’s not something that can be untangled by a few fleeting moments of community spirit that says we should ride trains.

If we still had passenger trains, I would be happy to ride the train to the county seat for the majority of my business. People used to do that here all the time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:23:14pm

re: #90 William Lewis

Ah but that’s because the railroad tycoons all built their systems by their force of will and lack of empathy for the prole wretches actually running & building things. So they deserve admiration according to her hateful excuse for a philosophy.

Although in real life railroads were granted their land by the government, and granted a checkerboard pattern of sections of land on opposite sides of the right-of-way they could use or sell.

Trans-continental railroads in the USA were a massive government-funded project.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:23:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:26:18pm

re: #93 JordanRules

Who taught Mr. Trump the word “ominous?”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:27:57pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Although in real life railroads were granted their land by the government, and granted a checkerboard pattern of sections of land on opposite sides of the right-of-way they could use or sell.

Trans-continental railroads in the USA were a massive government-funded project.

I think the reference was not to the land acquisition, but to the process of actually building the railroad upon the land they were granted. The first transcontinental railroad was rife with exploitation of imported labor from China and Mexico.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:29:10pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

Who taught Mr. Trump the word “ominous?”

Oh, he invented that word, came up with it last week.

/ / / /

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scottslemmons  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:30:03pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

Who taught Mr. Trump the word “ominous?”

He thinks ominous are those mashed chickpeas you put on crackers. He doesn’t want Muslim chickpeas! He wants a cheeseburger!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:31:21pm

re: #95 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think the reference was not to the land acquisition, but to the process of actually building the railroad upon the land they were granted. The first transcontinental railroad was rife with exploitation of imported labor from China and Mexico.

Well if you get free land and near-slave labour, that sure knocks down the costs.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:32:07pm
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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:34:02pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Although in real life railroads were granted their land by the government, and granted a checkerboard pattern of sections of land on opposite sides of the right-of-way they could use or sell.

Trans-continental railroads in the USA were a massive government-funded project.

The U.S. Army also provided security, at no cost to the railroad company, since we were building through what was still Indian territory.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:35:55pm

Others take their cues on whether the flag should be flying at half-staff here either by the village park’s flags, the village hall’s flags, or my own flags (with a black ribbon affixed to the top of the gaffs), since I can’t E-mail the town (no Internet) or call everyone (takes too long).

The wind is too high here today (exceeding 50mph), so my flags are inside.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:36:29pm

Bloop.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:36:34pm

re: #100 sagehen

The U.S. Army also provided security, at no cost to the railroad company, since we were building through what was still Indian territory.

The buffalo “hunters” had a fix for that.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:37:23pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Although in real life railroads were granted their land by the government, and granted a checkerboard pattern of sections of land on opposite sides of the right-of-way they could use or sell.

Trans-continental railroads in the USA were a massive government-funded project.

Yep. They would not have been built without the government - much like space travel, they’re too expensive for private construction until huge amounts of infrastructure are built. SpaceX, no matter how brilliant Musk may be, could not happen without 50 years of NASA spending.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:38:26pm

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

Well if you get free land and near-slave labour, that sure knocks down the costs.

Yes, but free market! Ayn Rand!

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:40:00pm

Still, they persist (because it works.)


The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sends the worst emails of all time, a Center for Public Integrity investigation found. (I’m paraphrasing.) Chock full of bait-and-switch tactics and constant freak-outs, the DCCC raked in $86.3 million from individual contributors from the beginning of 2017 through January 2018. That’s three times the amount raised from individual donors by the DCCC’s GOP counterparts. [Center for Public Integrity]

From CPI, a progressive site, via 538.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:41:18pm

re: #104 William Lewis

And Mr. Musk is still using NASA’s facilities (though I assume he pays a fee for that).

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:43:10pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Still, they persist (because it works.)


The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sends the worst emails of all time, a Center for Public Integrity investigation found. (I’m paraphrasing.) Chock full of bait-and-switch tactics and constant freak-outs, the DCCC raked in $86.3 million from individual contributors from the beginning of 2017 through January 2018. That’s three times the amount raised from individual donors by the DCCC’s GOP counterparts. [Center for Public Integrity]

From CPI, a progressive site, via 538.

Yep. I get emails from Pelosi now with headlines like ‘A CRUSHING DEFEAT’ (yes, they all-capped it).

Kinda silly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:45:08pm

re: #108 makeitstop

Yep. I get emails from Pelosi now with headlines like ‘A CRUSHING DEFEAT’ (yes, they all-capped it).

Kinda silly.

I took myself off the DCCC’s list a couple years ago. I got more E-mail from them asking for money (I get running a political party costs money - go hit someone up that has it) than every prince in Nigeria.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:45:30pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Still, they persist (because it works.)


The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sends the worst emails of all time, a Center for Public Integrity investigation found. (I’m paraphrasing.) Chock full of bait-and-switch tactics and constant freak-outs, the DCCC raked in $86.3 million from individual contributors from the beginning of 2017 through January 2018. That’s three times the amount raised from individual donors by the DCCC’s GOP counterparts. [Center for Public Integrity]

From CPI, a progressive site, via 538.

I think “Oh my god, we’re going to lose” is far less reprehensible than “Obama’s coming to take your guns.”

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:45:51pm

Cue vigorous head-shaking and denials that Trump’s situation is anywhere near as bad as the Great Penis Hunt.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:47:19pm

re: #111 makeitstop

[Embedded content]

Cue vigorous head-shaking and denials that Trump’s situation is anywhere near as bad as the Great Penis Hunt.

The problem for Flood is that compared to Clinton (and just about everyone for that matter) Trump is an idiot.

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BeachDem  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:48:46pm

Now into my 3 hour layover before a 35 minute flight home. StanleySea and I had a time in NOLA. Hate to go home and deal with the daily dramas that await.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:49:02pm

There are times when I like Linux, and there are lots of times when tiny little errors that take me hours of searching to solve drive me nuts.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:50:24pm

re: #110 Belafon

I think “Oh my god, we’re going to lose” is far less reprehensible than “Obama’s coming to take your guns.”

Like I said: “It works.” It’s more the totality of gleeping emails that wrankles, if you get traffic from a lot of Lefty orgs.

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scottslemmons  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:51:01pm

re: #112 Belafon

The problem for Flood is that compared to Clinton (and just about everyone for that matter) Trump is an idiot.

The other problem for Flood is that everyone associated with Trump comes out of it looking like a crook who should either go to prison or flee to Russia. We’re at the point where anyone willing to work for Trump should be assumed to have the morals and ethics of a rabid skunk.

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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:51:26pm

Where Is Barack Obama?
The former president’s reticence in the Trump era is only hurting his party.
theatlantic.com

Now Democrats are reliving the political frustration from the Obama years. Right when the Democrats are in desperate need of strong leadership, looking for someone who has the muscle and clout to push back against the aggressive, smash-mouth, destructive politics of Trump, the former president has not done nearly enough to step in to fill this void.

The last time Obama was too timid, the Republicans roared. His party can’t afford to see Obama make that same mistake once again.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:54:00pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Like I said: “It works.” It’s more the totality of gleeping emails that wrankles, if you get traffic from a lot of Lefty orgs.

I agree about the flood. The “DEMOCRATS WIN” followed nearly immediately by “DEMOCRATS LOSE IT ALL” gets annoying. I end up deleting a whole lot of email.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:56:02pm

re: #117 sagehen

Where Is Barack Obama?
The former president’s reticence in the Trump era is only hurting his party.
theatlantic.com

I love Obama but:
1. I’m glad he’s stayed away. Many of the people who have stepped up now would not have had he jumped in to save the day.
2. Maybe he isn’t the right person for the job for the very reason they cite.

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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:57:22pm

re: #117 sagehen

Where Is Barack Obama?
The former president’s reticence in the Trump era is only hurting his party.
theatlantic.com

OFA keeps sending me stuff about the good work they are doing. And apparently Barack and Michelle are going for some kind of on-line/TV deal. He’s not running and he shouldn’t be in front, but he is working. I think he’s doing OK. Come back big in October.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 1:59:03pm

re: #119 Belafon

I love Obama but:
1. I’m glad he’s stayed away. Many of the people who have stepped up now would not have had he jumped in to save the day.
2. Maybe he isn’t the right person for the job for the very reason they cite.

He’s also decided to go with an issues-oriented long term approach by recasting OFA. In the last few days he’s been described as negotiating with Netflix to produce a major educational effort.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:03:56pm

re: #116 scottslemmons

The other problem for Flood is that everyone associated with Trump comes out of it looking like a crook who should either go to prison or flee to Russia. We’re at the point where anyone willing to work for Trump should be assumed to have the morals and ethics of a rabid skunk.

And the first person who flees to Russia (or any other country for that matter) is going to make the GOP look like absolute crap, right before an election. Let ‘em flee (then seize their assets).

For some of these jerks, inflicting them on Vladimir Putin would be just desserts.

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Nyet  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:07:03pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

time.com

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:08:06pm

re: #114 Belafon

There are times when I like Linux, and there are lots of times when tiny little errors that take me hours of searching to solve drive me nuts.

I’ve always maintained that Linux (and it’s progenitor Unix) was Multics done badly.

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Mattand  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:11:49pm

re: #117 sagehen

JFC, these fucking people…

Hillary needs to go away.

Hillary lowers public profile.

WHY WON’T HILLARY SAVE US????

Obama needs to stay out of politics.

Obama stays out of politics.

WHY WON’T OBAMA GET BACK INTO POLITICS???

Idiots…

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Dave In Austin  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:13:57pm

Matt is a touring musician…. Not sure with who.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:15:43pm

re: #114 Belafon

There are times when I like Linux, and there are lots of times when tiny little errors that take me hours of searching to solve drive me nuts.

It has it’s foibles but I still find it easier to deal with than the gawdawful mess that is Windows. Of course, 30+ years of UNIX experience (hands on starting with the first release of Minix) gives me a slight bias. Which version are you running?

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Mattand  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:16:54pm

While I’m bitching about MBF: Bill Maher was chastising liberals last night for being skeptical that Trump can pull off negotiating with North Korea. The logic was literally “Don’t be negative and give him a chance” (along with some idiotic analogy to Maher and his drug dealer.)

Well, Maher, you fucking idiotic jackass, it’s because Trump doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing and could trigger WW3 if he fucks up. That’s why people are skeptical of the idea, idiot.

Now go back into your panic room because you saw an educated Muslim woman who received a flu shot.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:18:09pm

re: #124 The Major

I’ve always maintained that Linux (and it’s progenitor Unix) was Multics done badly.

My wife worships the daemons in Linux.

The first time she sent a message to the IT director of the state library board to set up our public library on the state library Website and visiting librarian-only pages, he blocked her out because he could tell the computer being used was a Linux computer. He was convinced that no one in a little ‘burg like this would even know what Linux was, and called us at home to check it out (he thought someone was trying to hack into her account because no other librarian in the state used Linux to log into the state system).

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:18:59pm

re: #128 Mattand

I thought after a year we were past the “give him a chance to grow into the job” crap.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:19:56pm

re: #124 The Major

I’ve always maintained that Linux (and it’s progenitor Unix) was Multics done badly.

Nah, Multics was a strange little beast of a time sharing system. ITS on a PDP-10? Now that’s what we’d have done better to follow. Gain a few things from VMS & UNIX and we’d be in much happier place. But the simplification that was UNIX from the mess of Multics served well when integrating first TCP/IP & later the X Windows system to create the workstation revolution.

I still have a Sun workstation here on my desk even though this pissant Dell laptop outperforms it.

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fern01  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:19:59pm

re: #111 makeitstop

rump in discussions with longtime Washington lawyer Emmet Flood about joining White House legal team to deal with Mueller investigation

Cue vigorous head-shaking and denials that Trump’s situation is anywhere near as bad as the Great Penis Hunt.

Does another lawyer really want to see his career spiral downwards. No-one who works for trump comes out of the experience well.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:21:34pm

We can appreciate his clarity:

Steve Bannon: ‘Let them call you racist … Wear it as a badge of honor’
abcnews.go.com

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:21:48pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

My wife worships the daemons in Linux.

The first time she sent a message to the IT director of the state library board to set up our public library on the state library Website and visiting librarian-only pages, he blocked her out because he could tell the computer being used was a Linux computer. He was convinced that no one in a little ‘burg like this would even know what Linux was, and called us at home to check it out (he thought someone was trying to hack into her account because no other librarian in the state used Linux to log into the state system).

Oy.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:22:08pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:23:30pm

White network executives are drastically misreading the country right now.

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Mattand  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:23:59pm

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

I thought after a year we were past the “give him a chance to grow into the job” crap.

I’m sure it’s not hard to unearth quotes from Maher saying that Trump has zero qualifications for this job, either.

Either GQ or Vanity Fair did a profile on him recently, and the author saw through the pseudo intellectual bullshit and perfectly crystallized how self-unaware Maher is. Beautiful last paragraph mic drop.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:25:04pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Still, they persist (because it works.)


The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sends the worst emails of all time, a Center for Public Integrity investigation found. (I’m paraphrasing.) Chock full of bait-and-switch tactics and constant freak-outs, the DCCC raked in $86.3 million from individual contributors from the beginning of 2017 through January 2018. That’s three times the amount raised from individual donors by the DCCC’s GOP counterparts. [Center for Public Integrity]

From CPI, a progressive site, via 538.

I was at the recording of Pod Save America last Thursday. Liberal Houston filled up our symphony hall for it. Tons of people there.

Jon Favreau mentioned the DCCC and their interference in an election here and the whole place started booing, loudly.

The DCCC has burned any and all bridges in Houston for a long time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:25:28pm

re: #131 William Lewis

Nah, Multics was a strange little beast of a time sharing system. ITS on a PDP-10? Now that’s what we’d have done better to follow. Gain a few things from VMS & UNIX and we’d be in much happier place. But the simplification that was UNIX from the mess of Multics served well when integrating first TCP/IP & later the X Windows system to create the workstation revolution.

I still have a Sun workstation here on my desk even though this pissant Dell laptop outperforms it.

[asking wife: Do you know what Multics is and did it run on PDP-10’s? wife: Never heard of it.] (She was a software engineer who worked at Digital Equipment in Colorado Springs. When I married her she owned a working PDP-8 and a PDP-11.)

Courtesy of Wikipedia:

In 1964, Multics was developed initially for the GE-645 mainframe, a 36-bit system. GE’s computer business, including Multics, was taken over by Honeywell in 1970; around 1973, Multics was supported on the Honeywell 6180 machines, which included security improvements including hardware support for protection rings.

Bell Labs pulled out of the project in 1969; some of the people who had worked on it there went on to create the Unix system. Multics development continued at MIT and General Electric.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:27:56pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

Multics also had it’s own daemons - the key one was Metering.Sysdaemon.
And Multics’s file tree separator was a ‘>’, vs. Unix’s ‘/’.

Multics was in heave use in many academic and military facilities for quite a while - at one point, Ford has one of the largest Multics sites around, and they ran Multics Relational Data Store (MRDS) back in the late 1970s, which pre-dated IBM’s DB2 by a number of years. Back then rows were known as ‘tuples’.

A lot of influential Comp-Sci people were referred to as “Multicians”.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:30:29pm

re: #138 BlueGrl21

I was at the recording of Pod Save America last Thursday. Liberal Houston filled up our symphony hall for it. Tons of people there.

Jon Favreau mentioned the DCCC and their interference in an election here and the whole place started booing, loudly.

The DCCC has burned any and all bridges in Houston for a long time.

That’s a shame, because some organization must do what they do. Jumping on a primary is just self-defeating. Our group is supporting a candidate in the AL2 primary, but she knows we are limiting our activity to constructive work like registration, and our donations to sunny-side-up until the Dem candidate is in place in June.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:30:49pm

re: #131 William Lewis

Nah, Multics was a strange little beast of a time sharing system.

Multics was designed from the ground up with security in mind - can you really say that about Unix, VMS and ITS? Multics’s ring architecture was so influential even Intel adopted it in their processor design.

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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:31:17pm

I remember when Bush 41 assailed (among others) both Rosanne and The Simpsons — he’d obviously never seen either — for the appalling examples they gave of American families. He wasn’t much better at TV criticism than at presidenting.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:33:24pm

re: #137 Mattand

I’m sure it’s not hard to unearth quotes from Maher saying that Trump has zero qualifications of this job, either.

Either GQ or Vanity Fair did a profile on him recently, and the author saw through the pseudo intellectual bullshit and perfectly crystallized how self-unaware Maher is. Beautiful last paragraph mic drop.

Bill Maher recently made a “new rule” called “What if Obama Said It?”

(8:49, starts at 2:30 with an Obama impersonator)

New Rule: What If Obama Said It? | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:34:15pm

re: #143 petesh

I remember when Bush 41 assailed (among others) both Rosanne and The Simpsons — he’d obviously never seen either — for the appalling examples they gave of American families. He wasn’t much better at TV criticism than at presidenting.

Didn’t like broccoli, though. The one thing upon which I agreed with him.

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Interesting Times  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:36:15pm

Here we bloody well go again:

California police officer fatally shot, gunman holding SWAT team at bay

A gunman who shot two police officers, killing one of them, held a SWAT team at bay on Saturday as he barricaded himself inside an apartment and showed no signs of giving up more than 15 hours after the standoff began, authorities said.

I guess the problem is that there wasn’t an armed teacher around to save the day e_e

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Mattand  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:38:16pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

Bill Maher recently made a “new rule” called “What if Obama Said It?”

(8:49, starts at 2:30 with an Obama impersonator)

[Embedded content]

Seriously. But now this guy thinks maybe Trump, a fool who spends his Presidency playing golf; watching Fox News all day; and insulting private citizens on Twitter; has the chops to sort out the North Korea nightmare.

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CarolJ  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:39:09pm

-re: #117 sagehen

Where Is Barack Obama?
The former president’s reticence in the Trump era is only hurting his party.
theatlantic.com

By staying away, Obama (and HIllary for that matter)is actually helping the resistance. Trump needs a foil to rile up the Trumpians and goose turnout. He needs it to be 2016 forever, for he has nothing else. That’s why he keeps harpng on “Soros”, a long-dead “Alinsky”, and even a nebulous “Antifa”.

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Interesting Times  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:39:50pm

I approve this message and endorse this tactic:

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:41:09pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:44:34pm

re: #143 petesh

I remember when Bush 41 assailed (among others) both Rosanne and The Simpsons — he’d obviously never seen either — for the appalling examples they gave of American families. He wasn’t much better at TV criticism than at presidenting.

I remember when Dan Quayle assailed Murphy Brown as an appalling example (because no single mother should ever be working … or exist.)

Screw him. I did just fine with my widowed mother.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:44:59pm

re: #127 William Lewis

It has it’s foibles but I still find it easier to deal with than the gawdawful mess that is Windows. Of course, 30+ years of UNIX experience (hands on starting with the first release of Minix) gives me a slight bias. Which version are you running?

Ubuntu 17.04. And it’s not the OS in particular. I’m a coder, but not really interested in OS development. Currently trying to install IPython/Jupyter/Anaconda for machine learning. I get these little errors and warnings when running. I might know more than the average human about software, but I really would like tools to install correctly because those aren’t the problems I want to solve. The one advantage of Windows is even the OSS people seem to understand they should polish the installs for those platforms. Yet, for some reason, I have to occasionally chase little things on Linux.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:46:13pm

The far left continues to be aggressively stupid.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:46:41pm

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

[asking wife: Do you know what Multics is and did it run on PDP-10’s? wife: Never heard of it.] (She was a software engineer who worked at Digital Equipment in Colorado Springs. When I married her she owned a working PDP-8 and a PDP-11.)

Courtesy of Wikipedia:

In 1964, Multics was developed initially for the GE-645 mainframe, a 36-bit system. GE’s computer business, including Multics, was taken over by Honeywell in 1970; around 1973, Multics was supported on the Honeywell 6180 machines, which included security improvements including hardware support for protection rings.

Bell Labs pulled out of the project in 1969; some of the people who had worked on it there went on to create the Unix system. Multics development continued at MIT and General Electric.

Yep. Mainframe stuff that was much nicer in many ways than the more popular IBM’s & their various weird OS’s.

Which PDP-11 did she have? I keep lusting for a 4mb 11/93 to run BSD 2.11 on but the cost of that is … prohibitive, shall we say?

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Interesting Times  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:48:26pm

re: #148 CarolJ

By staying away, Obama (and HIllary for that matter)is actually helping the resistance.

I agree. One huge reason you saw so many Democratic downballot defeats and the SCOTUS fiasco during Obama’s presidency was because too many people couldn’t be arsed to pay attention and expected him to magically fix everything on his own. And there are still people on the sane/progressive side looking for a charismatic leader to swoop in and save the day, without realizing that only the reactionary rightwing foxcult works that way.

Reactionaries, fascists, and regressives work from the top down, but progressives have to work from the bottom up. One reason the Parkland students are so effective is because they took the old saying “You must be the change you want to see in the world” literally.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:48:36pm

re: #152 Belafon

Ubuntu 17.04. And it’s not the OS in particular. I’m a coder, but not really interested in OS development. Currently trying to install IPython/Jupyter/Anaconda for machine learning. I get these little errors and warnings when running. I might know more than the average human about software, but I really would like tools to install correctly because those aren’t the problems I want to solve. The one advantage of Windows is even the OSS people seem to understand they should polish the installs for those platforms. Yet, for some reason, I have to occasionally chase little things on Linux.

Yeah, that is really the main thing that keeps Linux from being a true desktop OS. And granted, it was never designed to be; it is, and always has been, a server-class OS, designed for people who know how to build and install their own packages and decrypt the cryptic error messages. If there’s anything any of us can do to help, feel free to drop a line.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:48:56pm

re: #142 The Major

Multics was designed from the ground up with security in mind - can you really say that about Unix, VMS and ITS? Multics’s ring architecture was so influential even Intel adopted it in their processor design.

See Dave Cutler & VMS. He tried to do that to NT3.5 but MS hated the perfomance hit and by 4.0 security was gutted.

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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:49:13pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

Yes, the Reps were all about attacking popular culture back then. They just got less and less subtle.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:50:06pm

re: #154 William Lewis

Yep. Mainframe stuff that was much nicer in many ways than the more popular IBM’s & their various weird OS’s.

Which PDP-11 did she have? I keep lusting for a 4mb 11/93 to run BSD 2.11 on but the cost of that is … prohibitive, shall we say?

She says she owned a PDP-11/03 (128k) and a PDP-11/34 (doesn’t remember how much memory, but notes in a PDP-11 you cannot address more than 64k without crashing it).

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petesh  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:50:10pm

re: #145 makeitstop

Didn’t like broccoli, though. The one thing upon which I agreed with him.

I stood unmoved in my disagreement. I like broccoli. It’s Brussels Sprouts I cannot stand.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:50:30pm

re: #152 Belafon

Ubuntu 17.04. And it’s not the OS in particular. I’m a coder, but not really interested in OS development. Currently trying to install IPython/Jupyter/Anaconda for machine learning. I get these little errors and warnings when running. I might know more than the average human about software, but I really would like tools to install correctly because those aren’t the problems I want to solve. The one advantage of Windows is even the OSS people seem to understand they should polish the installs for those platforms. Yet, for some reason, I have to occasionally chase little things on Linux.

Unfamiliar with those tools, unfortunately. C & Lisp are my areas.

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:50:34pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

We can appreciate his clarity:

Steve Bannon: ‘Let them call you racist … Wear it as a badge of honor’
abcnews.go.com

Can we prevent him from returning from France?

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:51:04pm

re: #149 Interesting Times

I approve this message and endorse this tactic:

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Let’s just shorten it to ‘Beet Woman.’ Followed by hysterical laughter.

I get the feeling that nothing bothers Dana more than people not taking her seriously.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:51:37pm

Today’s walk with Rango…

New trail for us.

What’s up this way, Dad?

Lots of this, just off the trail….

Aren’t I pretty? Don’t you want to touch me?

This spot must get a fair amount of fog, to support the growth of Spanish Moss on these Oaks.

Treebeard? Is that you?

Dog is my copilot.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:52:50pm

re: #160 petesh

I stood unmoved in my disagreement. I like broccoli. It’s Brussels Sprouts I cannot stand.

Me neither.

Also, cauliflower.

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:53:23pm

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹

She says she owned a PDP-11/03 (128k) and a PDP-11/34 (doesn’t remember how much memory, but notes in a PDP-11 you cannot address more than 64k without crashing it).

Yeah, the memory management routines in PDP-11 UNIX are a mess. The infamous phrase in the V6 code comments “You are not expected to understand this” comes from context switching and dealing with 64k code pages.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:53:26pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:53:39pm

re: #163 makeitstop

Let’s just shorten it to ‘Beet Woman.’ Followed by hysterical laughter.

I get the feeling that nothing bothers Dana more than people not taking her seriously.

And yet, how can you take her seriously? She’s so hyperbolic.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:53:41pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

Can we prevent him from returning from France?

Pretty sure France doesn’t want him, either.

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nowherenorth2  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:54:01pm

re: #167 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s a little creepy but totally right

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:55:27pm

re: #154 William Lewis

(cut)

Which PDP-11 did she have? I keep lusting for a 4mb 11/93 to run BSD 2.11 on but the cost of that is … prohibitive, shall we say?

DEC PDP 11/23 Plus 1/2 Rack with 2 RL-02 Drives in Shipping Crate (goes to E-bay, starting bid US$499.95, seven days left)

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:55:52pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

And yet, how can you take her seriously? She’s so hyperbolic.

But her hyperbole and fearmongering are so convincing! You can’t fake that.

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wrenchwench  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:59:12pm

Folding bike in the window, all folded up. Customer: ‘How much does it weigh?’ Me: ‘Not much.’ Him: ‘I’ll bet it weighs 40 lbs.’ Me: ‘Nahhhh.’ (I pick up bike, set it on the counter.) Me: ‘Feels like about 25.’ Him: (picks bike up off the counter.) ‘Feels like 33 lbs. Got a scale?’ Me: ‘Oh, yeah, I do!’ (Gets scale, hangs it on the hook I put there for that purpose 15 years ago. Carries bike over, hangs it by the seat.) Me: ‘I win! 27 lbs!’

Small victory. He bought a tube, and an old first aid kit I never thought I’d get rid of, even at half price. He left with his wife, who has the same name as my husband. Only woman with that name anywhere.

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Interesting Times  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:59:22pm

In which 2018 Bill Kristol finally catches up with 2009 Charles:

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 2:59:59pm

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹

DEC PDP 11/23 Plus 1/2 Rack with 2 RL-02 Drives in Shipping Crate (goes to E-bay, starting bid US$499.95, seven days left)

Nice one, no money no fun alas. Still, I’ll toss it into my watch list to use as search topic some other time.

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BigPapa  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:00:13pm

I’m catching up on Walking Dead, my walks in and says ‘I might have to start watching it again.’ Within 5 mins a key character gets bit and she’s like ‘nope.’

I guess it’s Hallmark the rest of the day.

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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:04:21pm

re: #176 BigPapa

I’m catching up on Walking Dead, my walks in and says ‘I might have to start watching it again.’ Within 5 mins a key character gets bit and she’s like ‘nope.’

I guess it’s Hallmark the rest of the day.

How far behind are you?

The only characters remaining alive from season 1 are

Rick
Darryl
Carol
Morgan

(and Morgan didn’t really join the group until season 5; before that, he’d been in the pilot, and one s.3 ep)

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:06:19pm

re: #169 makeitstop

Pretty sure France doesn’t want him, either.

Not my concern. We just don’t need Bannon coming back to America.

Maybe he can be like Assange and hole up in some embassy that would have him.

We would have a Ban on!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:10:46pm

re: #178 ObserverArt

Not my concern. We just don’t need Bannon coming back to America.

Maybe he can be like Assange and hole up in some embassy that would have him.

We would have a Ban on!

Maybe he can bunk with Julian Assange.

On the other hand, I don’t hate Ecuador.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:12:38pm

LMAO!

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:13:30pm

The bullshit these assholes are getting away with is almost beyond belief.

Kushner Companies, Trump Organization in talks about hotel business deal

The family company of President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner has reportedly been in talks with the Trump Organization over a possible business deal around the construction of oceanfront property in New Jersey.

The New York Times reports that Kushner Companies and the Trump Organization have signed a letter of intent declaring the Trump Organization’s plan to manage a hotel at the center of the Kushner Companies’ $283 million expansion of of Pier Village in Long Branch, N.J.

Kushner, who sold some of his holdings in the Kushner Companies before joining his father-in-law’s administration, still maintains an ownership stake in the New Jersey development, which further blurs the lines between the White House, the Trump family and the two businesses.

The news also comes just weeks after Kushner’s security clearance was downgraded as his application for a permanent clearance stretches on.

Former Office of Government Ethics (OGE) chief Walter Shaub told the Times that the New Jersey business deal could lead to Kushner having “leverage” over the president, who transferred management of the Trump Organization to his two adult sons before taking office last year.

This is where the ferry project is to be built in lieu of the NY/NJ tunnel that Trump shitcanned. Is it getting clearer yet? You’d almost think Faux News could see through this.

thehill.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:15:14pm

re: #181 Skip Intro

The bullshit these assholes are getting away with is almost beyond belief.

Kushner Companies, Trump Organization in talks about hotel business deal

This is where the ferry project is to be built in lieu of the NY/NJ tunnel that Trump shitcanned. Is it getting clearer yet? You’d almost think Faux News could see through this.

thehill.com

That would depend on if this shady-looking deal starts getting scrutiny by other news outlets. If it becomes a deafening WTF, FOX will start showing car chases and crashes again… .

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blueraven  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:19:28pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

re: #123 Nyet

time.com

Fuck them, they do not represent me. I don’t believe they speak for most of the women who resist Trump and his bigoted, ignorant agenda.

They don’t want to denounce Farrakhan? They don’t want to include Hillary as a woman to be celebrated? Maybe because they are Sandernistas…I don’t know, don’t care. They aren’t qualified to decide who our heroes should or shouldn’t be. And they aren’t fit to shine Hillary’s sensible shoes. Let them walk a few hundred miles in them first.

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BigPapa  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:21:39pm

Now for some kiddo cootchie goo goo. The Rock working on his daughter early.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:23:50pm

re: #117 sagehen

Where Is Barack Obama?
The former president’s reticence in the Trump era is only hurting his party.
theatlantic.com

he’s knitting…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:25:34pm

She’s a super beet. Super beet. She’s super beetie.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:26:46pm

Off to the phone store, now that my Windows phone has gone toes up. Laterrrz.

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Mattand  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:27:06pm

re: #180 JordanRules

LMAO!

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OMG, I saw that yesterday on CNN! That’s what started me on my current anti-MBF tear. I clicked on it to see what kind of mouth breather would write that as an actual serious piece.

Turns out the author works for the RNC. Go figure.

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BigPapa  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:27:33pm

Just starting this season of Walking Dead.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:28:41pm

re: #183 blueraven

Fuck them, they do not represent me. I don’t believe they speak for most of the women who resist Trump and his bigoted, ignorant agenda.

They don’t want to denounce Farrakhan? They don’t want to include Hillary as a woman to be celebrated? Maybe because they are Sandernistas…I don’t know, don’t care. They aren’t qualified to decide who our heroes should or shouldn’t be. And they aren’t fit to shine Hillary’s sensible shoes. Let them walk a few hundred miles in them first.

They do seem to be suffering from “mission creep.” As I originally understood the first women’s march, it was simply about not allowing the new conservative cruelty to roll over gains women have made in establishing their rightful equal place in society and control over their own lives.

Now all of a sudden it appears they are adding stuff that piles on and obscures that original simple message of “We will not be silenced and our rights will be respected.”

The defense of Louis Farrakhan seems bizarre to me. He’s long been an anti-Semite (his denials in the last couple days notwithstanding). Any support for the Women’s March I had is rapidly evaporating. (That is not to say I am now opposed to the original goals, I most certainly support them. People like Mr. Farrakhan are not the people to convey that message.)

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BlueGrl21  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:32:36pm

re: #183 blueraven

Fuck them, they do not represent me. I don’t believe they speak for most of the women who resist Trump and his bigoted, ignorant agenda.

They don’t want to denounce Farrakhan? They don’t want to include Hillary as a woman to be celebrated? Maybe because they are Sandernistas…I don’t know, don’t care. They aren’t qualified to decide who our heroes should or shouldn’t be. And they aren’t fit to shine Hillary’s sensible shoes. Let them walk a few hundred miles in them first.

This dust up is the first time I’d heard of them. Women’s March in Houston is Facebook and Twitter groups, neighborhood by neighborhood. Online invites to events, passed from person to person. There’s no “leader.”

These women don’t speak for us and don’t represent us. They are not the “face” of us, that’s the helicopter and drone views of thousands of women marching all over the world. Whoever they are, they need to move on. They’re irrelevant. Always were.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:36:19pm

re: #174 Interesting Times

In which 2018 Bill Kristol finally catches up with 2009 Charles:

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*Putting my clothes on* OK, now I’m decent.

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makeitstop  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:36:36pm

Really, now.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:39:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:40:51pm

re: #191 BlueGrl21

This dust up is the first time I’d heard of them. Women’s March in Houston is Facebook and Twitter groups, neighborhood by neighborhood. Online invites to events, passed from person to person. There’s no “leader.”

These women don’t speak for us and don’t represent us. They are not the “face” of us, that’s the helicopter and drone views of thousands of women marching all over the world. Whoever they are, they need to move on. They’re irrelevant. Always were.

That might be, but the right-wing media will grab this, pound it that people like Farrakhan and such are the leaders or ideological lights, it will become a tenet of conservative faith, the magic balancefairyist media will weigh in with serious sober both-siderism, and they will become the face of the movement whether the movement wants it or not.

The best thing for these women to do would be to immediately eject Farrakhan and such people. I’m betting they won’t. That will damage the credibility of tens of millions of women around the world who do not accept this. It becomes a stain on feminism, and by extension, liberal politics.

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blueraven  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:42:09pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

They do seem to be suffering from “mission creep.” As I originally understood the first women’s march, it was simply about not allowing the new conservative cruelty to roll over gains women have made in establishing their rightful equal place in society and control over their own lives.

Now all of a sudden it appears they are adding stuff that piles on and obscures that original simple message of “We will not be silenced and our rights will be respected.”

The defense of Louis Farrakhan seems bizarre to me. He’s long been an anti-Semite (his denials in the last couple days notwithstanding). Any support for the Women’s March I had is rapidly evaporating. (That is not to say I am now opposed to the original goals, I most certainly support them. People like Mr. Farrakhan are not the people to convey that message.)

I support the Women’s March 100 percent, I just don’t think it has a whole lot to do with these so called “leaders”. A lot of women I know who attend the TX marches don’t even know who these women are.

We are closer to the ground here. As I am sure they are in other states as well.

thedailybeast.com

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:45:46pm

re: #193 makeitstop

Really, now.

ian bremmer ✔
@ianbremmer
BREAKING: Putin offers to host Trump-Kim summit in Moscow.

5:08 PM - Mar 9, 2018

Why am I not surprised?

Oh yeah, because Trump is in the White House.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:46:45pm

re: #37 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect that China has four big advantages:

1) They don’t give a shit about private property, so no Eminent Domain cases tied up for years in courts. They’ll just build it where they want.

TRUE. Property “owners” only lease land from the government for 70 years. The government can take back control of the land any time, but will compensate property users for lost houses, etc. Also, national government has veto power over provincial and local government.

2) They don’t give a shit about environmental damage. They’ll just build it where they want.

PARTIALLY TRUE. While China does not fret much over destroying wildlife habitats or archaeological sites, I’ve been surprised at how little the areas on either side of rights of way are disturbed. Rail lines cruise through countryside that looks untouched.
3) They don’t give a shit about worker safety.

PARTIALLY TRUE. Actual statistics are hard to come by, but the construction process is so routine now that worker injuries are not much worse than any other construction job. But high speed rail here requires tunneling and elevated lines, so it’s not a walk in the park.

High speed rail is akin to China’s space program. It’s the pride of the nation, so excessive worker injuries would be embarrassing.

4) They don’t give much of a shit about making the whole thing as safe as possible.

FALSE. There have only been two or three serious accidents, AFAIK - two collisions and a fire. The tech has largely been adapted under license from existing shinkansen, Bombardier, and TGV technology, and the government is especially sensitive to rail safety after the Wenzhou accident on the flagship Beijing-Shanghai line. I use high speed rail frequently here, and I never worry about accidents occurring.

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ObserverArt  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:46:55pm

re: #194 Skip Intro

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That’s a heavy workout, you can tell by the yawn. Pooch is pooped.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:46:56pm

re: #174 Interesting Times

In which 2018 Bill Kristol finally catches up with 2009 Charles:

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:47:15pm

re: #196 blueraven

I support the Women’s March 100 percent, I just don’t think it has a whole lot to do with these so called “leaders”. A lot of women I know who attend the TX marches don’t even know who these women are.

We are closer to the ground here. As I am sure they are in other states as well.

thedailybeast.com

There isn’t much going on here since the march in Loup City in January (at least I can’t find anything). Loup City turned out about 20% of the whole town for the march.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:48:19pm

And a thousand likes for this:

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:51:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:54:12pm

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

There is a whole lot of derp in the comments on that tweet.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:55:32pm

For his times, TR was quite the liberal. In fact, he was a card-carrying Progressive.

The party’s platform built on Roosevelt’s Square Deal domestic program and called for several progressive reforms. The platform asserted that “to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day”. Proposals on the platform included restrictions on campaign finance contributions, a reduction of the tariff and the establishment of a social insurance system, an eight-hour workday and women’s suffrage.

en.wikipedia.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:56:21pm
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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 3:59:20pm

re: #206 Joe Bacon 🌹

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It’s not too late until we’re left a smoldering ruin.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:01:46pm

Lincoln’s Caution about the Internet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:02:30pm

re: #186 GlutenFreeJesus

She’s a super beet. Super beet. She’s super beetie.

maybe more like beetle-juice…

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:05:04pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

maybe more like beetle-juice…

If you say her name three times will she appear here?

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:05:26pm

re: #206 Joe Bacon 🌹

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William Lewis  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:06:33pm

re: #206 Joe Bacon 🌹

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“It’s never too late while you are breathing. “
The Warrior’s Apprentice
Louis McMaster Bujold

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:07:17pm
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CarolJ  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:09:03pm

The militia stuff should have died when the professional soldiers under Grant defeated the militias of Lee and accepted their surrender. Yes, the Army of the Potomac disbanded mostly, not needed for home defense from still-distant foreign forces. But World War I, with the introduction of air power and World War II, with nukes that needed constant supervision, made the “well regulated militia” moot. Who was going to store rockets and planes at home?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:11:14pm

re: #214 CarolJ

The militia stuff should have died when the professional soldiers under Grant defeated the militias of Lee and accepted their surrender. Yes, the Army of the Potomac disbanded mostly, not needed for home defense from still-distant foreign forces. But World War I, with the introduction of air power and World War II, with nukes that needed constant supervision, made the “well regulated militia” moot. Who was going to store rockets and planes at home?

A few months before Pearl Harbor, the NY City police forces were larger than the US Army.

(Yes, I checked that out a couple times.)

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Charles Johnson  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:11:39pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:12:20pm

Lincoln, Nebr. City Council considers banning bump stocks.

starherald.com (Goes to the Scottsbluff Star-Herald), more at the link:

Lincoln City Council is expected to consider a proposal to ban gun bump stocks.

The proposal by Democratic Councilwomen Leirion Gaylor Baird and Jane Raybould would make it unlawful for anyone to sell, give away, furnish or possess a multi-burst trigger activator within city limits, the Lincoln Journal Star reported .

“This closes a loophole in our laws that allows someone to turn a lawful weapon into a machine gun,” Gaylor Baird said.

Of note, Lincoln City Councilwoman Jane Raybould is running against Sen. Deb Fischer (R) to take her seat.

Additionally, the paper notes that the two women on the city council in Lincoln in Democrats. According to Nebraska law, positions which are not Federal positions are ostensibly non-partisan. There is only one reason the Star-Herald noted they are Democrats (fearmongering).

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:12:53pm

re: #214 CarolJ

Who was going to store rockets and planes at home?

Rockets and cruise missiles ain’t a problem. Ever seen how small a TOW missile is?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:13:50pm

re: #213 The Major

Point of order: This rot in conservatism is not modern. Conservatives supported the Crown in the Revolution, the Whiskey Rebellion tax revolt, slavery, the Civil War, Jim Crow, &c.

Conservative religion has always had this rot.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:15:21pm
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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:16:20pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

Conservative religion has always had this rot.

Don’t confuse religion with politics - they are two different creatures.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:17:42pm

re: #220 The Major

LOL. She’d probably raise the money in a day. (Too bad my sister’s GoFundMe to pay for her late wife’s medical bills over breast cancer is languishing, but that doesn’t grab people’s attention like a good sex scandal.)

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:18:09pm

re: #221 The Major

Don’t confuse religion with politics - they are two different creatures.

Conservative religion isn’t the same thing as regular religion. For one thing, Conservative Christians worship way too many idols.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:20:51pm
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CarolJ  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:21:01pm

re: #218 The Major

Not just size, but securing them without burning down the neighborhood, stored next to cars, gas cans and household goods? Not a good idea.

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whitebeach  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:21:02pm

re: #221 The Major

Don’t confuse religion with politics - they are two different creatures.

You’re living in some dream of past time. A Venn diagram of today’s RWNJs and fundie/vangie religious crazies would show a huge overlap.

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wrenchwench  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:21:04pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:21:13pm

re: #221 The Major

Don’t confuse religion with politics - they are two different creatures.

Nope. Conservatism has gurus and saints (Ronald Reagan, Grover Norquist, Barry Goldwater), an ideology which cannot be questioned by a True Conservative (conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed; you can cut your way to prosperity), a persecution complex (the media and Hollywood are suppressing conservatives, they’re coming for our guns, &c).

It has every aspect of a religion. It demands you follow its precepts exactly, and if you do not (or if you’re perceived you do not), you are “disfellowshipped” (you are a RINO).

I am not confusing religion with politics. I am calling conservatism what it is.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:21:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:24:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:25:12pm
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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:25:15pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

For his times, TR was quite the liberal. In fact, he was a card-carrying Progressive.

The party’s platform built on Roosevelt’s Square Deal domestic program and called for several progressive reforms. The platform asserted that “to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day”. Proposals on the platform included restrictions on campaign finance contributions, a reduction of the tariff and the establishment of a social insurance system, an eight-hour workday and women’s suffrage.

en.wikipedia.org

AND NATIONAL PARKS.

When discussing TR, DON’T EVER LEAVE OUT NATIONAL PARKS.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:26:26pm

re: #226 whitebeach

A Venn diagram of today’s RWNJs and fundie/vangie religious crazies would show a huge overlap.

I remember Falwell Sr.’s famous riposte: “(1) Get them saved, (2) Get them baptized, (3) Get them registered to vote.” But after the dust settles (hopefully non-radioactive), those fundies will realize that Jesus won’t wear a Rolex on his TV show.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:26:29pm

re: #232 sagehen

AND NATIONAL PARKS.

When discussing TR, DON’T EVER LEAVE OUT NATIONAL PARKS.

They’re just for poor people.

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whitebeach  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:30:20pm

re: #214 CarolJ

The militia stuff should have died when the professional soldiers under Grant defeated the militias of Lee and accepted their surrender. Yes, the Army of the Potomac disbanded mostly, not needed for home defense from still-distant foreign forces. But World War I, with the introduction of air power and World War II, with nukes that needed constant supervision, made the “well regulated militia” moot. Who was going to store rockets and planes at home?

The thing is that the Constitution, in Art. I, Sec. 8, cl. 15 defines exactly what the militia is to be and what its purpose is. Art. II, Sec. 2, cl. 1 elaborates on this. Oddly, the gun nuts never mention these fundamental clauses of the Constitution, only the ambiguous 2nd Amendment.

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wrenchwench  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:31:05pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

They’re just for poor people.

30 days in one location, then you have to pack up and move camp to a different location. Sometimes they’re on foot, sometimes with a vehicle.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:31:59pm

re: #235 whitebeach

The thing is that the Constitution, in Art. I, Sec. 8, cl. 15 defines exactly what the militia is to be and what its purpose is. Art. II, Sec. 2, cl. 1 elaborates on this. Oddly, the gun nuts never mention these fundamental clauses of the Constitution, only the ambiguous 2nd Amendment.

The courts have recently (along with legislation) have redefined (interpreted) the militia to mean all men 18-45 and all women in the military, reserves, or National Guard.

Whatever is in Article II is now interpreted in those terms.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:38:53pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

30 days in one location, then you have to pack up and move camp to a different location. Sometimes they’re on foot, sometimes with a vehicle.

That was a statement early in the Trump era, when funding for the parks was under discussion. (Might have been Ivanka—not findable on Google.)

We bought our amazing $10/lifetime Federal lands pass, and a 1963 camping trailer.
It’s now an $80 pass under Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:39:25pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

They’re just for poor people.

When the Interior Department went with the New Conservative Cruelty and decided that by a cutoff date all senior citizens discounts and disabled discounts would be discontinued for lifetime passes (which were previously free), I went to every house in town and informed every resident that they needed to get to Scott’s Bluff National Monument or Chimney Rock and pick up a pass before the expiry date given.

A bunch of people in the village did that. (I got my disabled vet pass at Arches National Park in Utah, but disabled vets were excluded from the removal of discounts.)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:41:06pm

re: #239 Anymouse 🌹

nps.gov

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wrenchwench  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:41:48pm

re: #238 Decatur Deb

That was a statement early in the Trump era, when funding for the parks was under discussion. (Might have been Ivanka—not findable on Google.)

We Bought our amazing $10/lifetime Federal lands pass, and a 1963 camping trailer.
It’s now an $80 pass under Trump.

Law enforcement on public federal lands can be as difficult to deal with as anywhere.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:43:21pm

re: #232 sagehen

AND NATIONAL PARKS.

When discussing TR, DON’T EVER LEAVE OUT NATIONAL PARKS.

Or President T. Roosevelt’s call for universal health care. He felt that healthcare was a national security issue. (You can’t raise an army if much of the populace is in poor health.)

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BlueGrl21  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:43:37pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

That might be, but the right-wing media will grab this, pound it that people like Farrakhan and such are the leaders or ideological lights, it will become a tenet of conservative faith, the magic balancefairyist media will weigh in with serious sober both-siderism, and they will become the face of the movement whether the movement wants it or not.

The best thing for these women to do would be to immediately eject Farrakhan and such people. I’m betting they won’t. That will damage the credibility of tens of millions of women around the world who do not accept this. It becomes a stain on feminism, and by extension, liberal politics.

1. I don’t give a fuck what right wing media does.

2. Who is supposed to disown them? We have no “leaders.” We’re local groups of women that have joined together in our communities. My group is named after my neighborhood and acts in the community around me.

This is not a hierarchical structure. That’s hard for a LOT of people to comprehend. We’re women who know each other online in our neighborhoods. Our kids go to school together. We occasionally get together and march. But the work we’re doing is hands dirty in our communities.

So I’m not getting this whole discrediting the “movement” position. We’re not going to stop organizing or shut up because a few talking heads share their opinions. Those women don’t lead the Sienna Plantation Women’s March Facebook group.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:43:39pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:43:58pm

re: #241 wrenchwench

Law enforcement on public federal lands can be as difficult to deal with as anywhere.

Yup. I got involved in the Army’s decision to arm Corps of Engineers park rangers. They didn’t want it, so we held off, then.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:44:43pm

Too slow.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:45:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:47:09pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

nps.gov

The page has changed slightly since I first saw it (I was alerted to the New Conservative Cruelty regarding National Parks by the VFW), but such things as the Senior Pass are now the same price as a Regular Pass.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:50:04pm

re: #247 The Major

Gonna be proof that you can lose money in porn.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:52:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 4:59:19pm

re: #243 BlueGrl21

What the right-wing media does might not matter to us, but it does matter to those who follow right-wing media. You should care a whole lot. The right wing is framing the narrative as we write here.

As for the mainstream media, they will treat conservative caterwauling as if it is serious objections.

As a matter of fact, the magicbalancefairyists are already doing it.

The Women’s March has an anti-Semitism problem — and a Louis Farrakhan one (Salon, an ostensibly left-leaning outlet)

Why Women’s March leaders are being accused of anti-Semitism (Vox)


The Women’s March Has a Farrakhan Problem. The group refuses to be accountable for a high-level alliance with an open anti-Semite.
(The Atlantic)

Planned Parenthood parts ways with Women’s March organizer over ties to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan (Washington Examiner, a right-wing outfit treated by the magicbalancefairyists as neutral, and Hawai’i Planned Parenthood has indeed announced it is cutting ties with the Women’s March on the grounds of bigotry).

It doesn’t matter who these women are (though some are organisers of the original march). If this is not dealt with and soon, your feelings about the matter will make no difference. The Women’s March will be gleefully tainted by the magicbalancefairyist media as anti-Semitic, and it will become poison.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:00:39pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

(Nero) summoned more men from Alexandria. Not content with that, he selected some young men of the order of equites and more than five thousand sturdy young plebeians, to be divided into groups and learn the Alexandrian styles of applause … and to ply them vigorously whenever he sang. These men were noticeable for their thick hair and fine apparel; their left hands were bare and without rings, and the leaders were paid four hundred thousand sesterces each.
—Seutonius

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:04:22pm

Well, to be fair, he’s speaking for his entire political party….

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:05:49pm
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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:08:44pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:08:55pm

It’s kag-worthy, all right…

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Dave In Austin  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:14:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:14:37pm

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹

Ooh, a downvote. Shoot the messenger.

I only pulled the top four items from a search on the matter. There are scores, across all sorts of media outlets.

The Women’s March is being painted as anti-Semitic in the media whether local marchers like it or not. If they don’t deal with this, it will kill the movement.

Politics is about perception (oh boy don’t I know as a pale blue dot in a very red state). It doesn’t matter what many, most, or nearly all people associated with local marching organisations think about Mr. Farrakhan, if conservatives seize the narrative first, the Women’s March will be painted as anti-Semitic.

The reason the NRA is on the back foot now and losing the battle of ideas is because first the Parkland shooting survivors, then tens of thousands of teenagers across the country seized the narrative before the NRA could. They are now painting the narrative.

Local Women’s March groups need to unequivocally disavow Farrakhan in the media before the conservatives paint them as anti-Semites. That is simply the way it is.

I am sorry if that offended someone enough to give me a down vote. I try to be pragmatic, which is a must for an uber-liberal politician in a very right-wing town.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:16:32pm

re: #257 Dave In Austin

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Must not be the final take. Putin is holding the stand-in cat instead of the Persian.

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Dizzy  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:19:43pm

Bad on me for body shaming, but WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? Maybe LittleFace from Dick Tracy.

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:20:27pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:22:22pm

re: #260 Dizzy

Bad on me for body shaming, but WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? Maybe LittleFace from Dick Tracy.

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Part of it is a beam-splitter teleprompter intruding into the face.

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stpaulbear  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:23:23pm

re: #254 jaunte

Karen DaltonBeninato

@kbeninato
The GOP didn’t think through the new slogan #KAG (Keep America Great).

Kick America’s Groin.

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:23:44pm

re: #260 Dizzy

Just a dude from Great Neck.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:24:59pm
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wheat-dogg  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:25:10pm

re: #256 Interesting Times

Just a few days ago, Trump met with North Koeran defector and author Hyeonseo Lee. She very proudly put her photo with Trump on her Instagram, and said Trump “listened ” to her.

I wonder what she’s thinking about that meeting now.

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Dizzy  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:25:35pm

re: #262 Decatur Deb

Part of it is a beam-splitter teleprompter intruding into the face.

That doesn’t explain the neck-chin.

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whitebeach  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:26:01pm

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹

What the right-wing media does might not matter to us, but it does matter to those who follow right-wing media. You should care a whole lot. The right wing is framing the narrative as we write here.

Mouse, damn it, the right-wing media are always gonna frame the narrative in their nazi manner. They are always gonna try to make gay rights, or BLM, or the women’s movement, or even science look like commie plots, and they will always find or invent some connection to make it seem so. The job of every decent human being is to make these assholes look as ridiculous as they are and to spit on them if we happen to see them on the street.

So I agree with bluegrl21 on this. But I also don’t think that your comment should have been downdinged by anyone.

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:26:17pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:27:35pm

Ahem.

How many people pushing this Farrakhan connection are operating in bad faith?

Lots of them. Rightists will tar the march with absolutely any brush, and the fake-centrists always reach for indicators that everyone’s equally bad. The media continues to do what it did with Occupy—collective blame when examining a system of people who actually aren’t organized—but didn’t for the Tea Party or the Trumpers—examining how organized and coherent the messaging was, excusing the rhetorical excesses as always outlying .

Respectability politics is a hacked system and always has been. The standard is inconsistent by design. It exists only to move goalposts and de-legitimate, and its preferred method of hitting that objective is selective use of collective blame. It has worked this way when it was “assimilation.” It worked this way when it was “civilized.” It worked this way it was “respectable” women talking shit at trashy/slutty/prole women. It is a very effective way of dividing and conquering people, because there’s no correct response, and anywhere there’s more than three people there’s some motherfucker with a truly shitty opinion.

And if we look at in realpolitik terms, as yet another tactic, there’s really no tactic to counter it that accepts the premise of respectability. Disavowal doesn’t remove the initial stigma, and since the “umpires” of respectability view the offense as already committed, there’s no take-back. Argument reinforces defiance of respectability norms. Special pleading—we’re not about X, we’re about Y at this moment—would be a meaningful counter if only people wanted or cared about nuance and detail…but 50% don’t because that requires extra effort, and 50% have no incentive to because they like group blame.

This is the same issue of who is entitled to be an individual that affects gender and racial discrimination throughout history. The same people upset at the Women’s March can excuse, have excused, and will excuse collective culpability in cases of prejudices and stupid fucking ideas/behaviors that are acceptable to them, and because those prejudices and stupid fucking ideas/behaviors have a patina of acceptableness determined by centuries-old cultural norms and the power structures that prop them up.

Yeah…message discipline would be fucking great. It’s a thing US progressives and liberals are bad at. But part of the reason that they’re bad at it is that they’re the people inviting in a coalition of thinkers—some of whom suck balls and some of whom are ignorant—while their opposite party have fabricated a Potemkin-village in which message discipline is achieved top-down by a small group of wealthy people building a system of propaganda and counterfeit “public interest” organizations. And when the latter’s message isn’t disciplined—nobody takes them to a task because the standard of group identity isn’t applied the same way. We operate in a world where people like Sessions can have endless leeway to say what they want, contradict themselves, dissemble, and never concede that they said what they said.

Who gets to be an individual? Who gets to err?

And we have a press ecosystem in which tidy packages of catchphrases, production values, and the ever-present need to maintain access—all because ratings matter—won’t do any heavy lifting and, frankly, really fucking love presenting the status quo in sentimental, trope-filled, Vaseline-on-the-lens terms. Hence eight fucking million versions of “here are the authentic feelings of Trump voters.” It’s pastoralism and schmaltz and the treacly front end of normalizing horrible shit.

The context here is that this is a march that has attempted message discipline—it has a website with its principles laid out (which admittedly I find too broad)— but is now being held responsible for statements by people in channels not related to the march, and that the outrage is coming from people that don’t apply this standard except to others they want to shut up. It is not winnable within the terms as laid out by design.

The Women’s March has put out a statement that antisemitism is unacceptable. Is that enough? What’s enough? The “critics” don’t actually lay out what would be sufficient response, because their objective isn’t to repair a flaw in the movement, it is to de-legitimate it by any available means.

This is a rigged game. The accusers-slash-umpires—and there’s a fucking red flag right there—calling this out have no interest in solving the issue, or coming to terms, or…and this is the critical bit…ever, ever accepting that the issue has been addressed. It is an endless repetition of hypocritical demand—“we have no standards, we demand that you be impeccable in every standard”—and it works. Both the rightists and the “neutral” fuckup media live and breathe by never, ever applying self-scrutiny, while demanding continuous self-laceration from popular movements with progressive ends. The left is mocked for its incoherence of goals, yet any movement that set out a specific goal is then torn apart not just by unfocused leftists, but by the very opponents mocking its lack of focus, for not addressing any flaw that can be located.

This is “why did you make us do that?” horseshit on its biggest societal scale: you weren’t perfect, therefore nothing you want changed can be considered for change, and it is your fault.

There is no pragmatic solution, any more than an Indian in the Raj could pragmatically “assimilate,” act British enough, and suddenly British officials would treat them as human beings that didn’t deserve arbitrary shit dropped on them.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:30:46pm
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Renaissance_Man  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:33:00pm

re: #258 Anymouse 🌹

Local Women’s March groups need to unequivocally disavow Farrakhan in the media before the conservatives paint them as anti-Semites. That is simply the way it is.

I have no real opinion on this issue with Women’s marchers and Louis Farrakhan, but as I have said before, doing things to ward off attacks from fascists is futile. These are fascists. They will attack and act with malice whether you do the right thing or not.

I consider the US media to be complicit with this. The US media will follow the narrative given to it by conservatives without question - skepticism only applies to liberals. The solution to this is not to play defence against the narrative, but to present a more compelling narrative that the media then follows. Playing defence doesn’t work - just ask Al Franken. American liberals must start acting from the premise that the US media is not a level playing field.

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:36:51pm

Stopped-clock law applies here….

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:37:05pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:38:55pm

re: #273 The Major

Stopped-clock law applies here….

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So what changed? Trump sure didn’t.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:40:09pm

re: #270 The Ghost of a Flea

And keep in mind that there is an apples-to-apples comparison readily available, since antisemitism on the right is continuously handwaved, written off as the excesses of individuals, and simply shrugged off when the most powerful people on the right directly interact with, sympathize with, and borrow ideas from people obsessed with antisemitic conspiracies.

It had to get as bad as Trump before it become a subject of discussion, and there’s still attempts to claim some kind of semantic distance from “authentic” conservatism to the “Soros” accusations, Alex Jones conspiracies lifted straight from the Protocols, the tiki-torch Nazis, etc.

Billy Graham just died and it was considered impolite to talk about his statements about Jews, even as his trogo shitwit son has embraced modern remixes of the “shifty international Jew.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:40:21pm

I’m amazed that millions of women are apparently tainted by four self-promoters (that most people have never heard of, and wouldn’t recognize if they met them anywhere) who are trying to take over a true grassroots movement, and demands are being made of those millions of women to disavow some bullshit that has nothing to do with them.

it’s bullshit pure and simple. I’m with BlueGrl.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:41:11pm

re: #268 whitebeach

Mouse, damn it, the right-wing media are always gonna frame the narrative in their nazi manner. They are always gonna try to make gay rights, or BLM, or the women’s movement, or even science look like commie plots, and they will always find or invent some connection to make it seem so. The job of every decent human being is to make these assholes look as ridiculous as they are and to spit on them if we happen to see them on the street.

So I agree with bluegrl21 on this. But I also don’t think that your comment should have been downdinged by anyone.

I’ve been going through more: Yahoo News is now painting the Women’s March as anti-Semitic, Planned Parenthood in Hawai’i has denounced the anti-Semitism and cut ties with the Women’s March, &c. By tomorrow, expect it on television and in the New York Times and Washington Post if local groups don’t definitively disavow Farrakhan. I’d bet my next VA disability cheque on that.

Yes the right wing will frame issues to benefit themselves. If the left wing just sits back and lets them do it, then they cede the ground without a fight.

Fortunately, the Parkland survivors didn’t take that attitude with the NRA. That’s why the NRA is losing.

Local Women’s March groups not definitively denouncing Farrakhan leaves them open to claims of anti-Semitism (regardless of the facts of the matter). That’s just the way it is. The media will play any controversy, and boy oh boy, painting women seeking equal treatment as anti-Semites will get some eyeballs on Websites.

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majii  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:43:24pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

“Why can’t Tamika Mallory quit Farrakhan? Why is the Left inert to anti-Semitism? Let me explain, in @TheAtlantic. “

Sorry this is so long, but being that I’m older, female, liberal, and black, I feel compelled to weigh in on this. One person’s opinion doesn’t reflect that of millions of others in a movement. It’s only in RW America where the ideology of one individual can be used successfully, via propaganda campaigns, to denigrate an entire group of persons and deprive them of their constitutional rights all while they lay claim to being the premiere examples of what life in a democracy is supposed to be about. They’re authoritarians and fascists at heart, posing as purveyors of democracy.

I’ve had more than enough of this by witnessing over and over how some persons make every black person in America responsible for a crime committed by one black person but never make every Caucasian responsible for the crimes committed by the likes of Ted Bundy or Stephen Paddock. It’s time to stop with the stereotyping and scapegoating for shits, grins, giggles, and clicks because the shit isn’t and has never been funny to me. I’ve never committed a crime, been arrested, served time behind bars, etc., and neither has any other member of my family, and I’ve always been offended by those who try to classify me, and us, as having done the aforementioned things. Sebastian Gorka and Jesse Watters can be invited to the WH by the Yam for dinner, and no one on the right says anything about them peddling racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, misogyny, anti-Semitism, etc. for entertainment and bucks, but everyone on the left is, in their minds, supposed to be tarred by Tamika Mallory’s “love” for Farrakhan? If Mallory loves Farrakhan, it’s on her alone. I’ve never held Louis Farrkhan up as an example of what most blacks or American Muslims believe/think. Personally, I think he’s a lazy-ass conman on par with DJT, aka, the Yam.

I’m sick and tired of the right’s double standards and attempts to kill any/all efforts by the left to accomplish anything and/or make steps forward in righting many of America’s wrongs, whether it be gun violence, xenophobia, misogyny, racism, discrimination, homophobia, Islamophobia, or pro-lifers’ BS claims they use to control women’s bodies and healthcare decisions, etc . It’s past the time to take it to them, get in their faces, and highlight the deplorables they support. If we’re supposed to “pay” for our alleged associations with Mallory, they should be made to really pay for their associations with Gorka, Watters, Hannity, Dana Loesch, Tami Lahren, Trump and his spawn, O’Reilly, Spencer, Auernheimer, Anglin, James Alex Fields, Jr., Chuck C. Johnson, and all of the rest. I’m no longer willing to be oppressed by them as they attempt to run roughshod over us by using lies and propaganda while attempting to gain public acceptance for their desire to commit crimes against humanity on a global scale. And, no, I’m not being cranky or having a bad day, I’ve just had it with these right-wingers’ BS, and I’m tired of being stereotyped, scapegoated, oppressed by them, wrongly profiled, and blamed for their problems. Hell, they can’t even begin to explain how they’ve been oppressed by this society, but I can supply a rather long list of things they’ve done, not only to myself, but to others. All of these bastards can STFU as far as I’m concerned, and stop making up shit to be offended about, shit that, in reality, they couldn’t give a damn about.*
Edited to correct punctuation, grammar, spelling.

[*Sorry, mom and dad, but I had to say these things, and saying them doesn’t mean I’ve forgotten your desire that I always conduct myself like a lady.]

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:43:26pm

The Black Hundreds are coming back.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:44:04pm

re: #272 Renaissance_Man

I have no real opinion on this issue with Women’s marchers and Louis Farrakhan, but as I have said before, doing things to ward off attacks from fascists is futile. These are fascists. They will attack and act with malice whether you do the right thing or not.

I consider the US media to be complicit with this. The US media will follow the narrative given to it by conservatives without question - skepticism only applies to liberals. The solution to this is not to play defence against the narrative, but to present a more compelling narrative that the media then follows. Playing defence doesn’t work - just ask Al Franken. American liberals must start acting from the premise that the US media is not a level playing field.

You attack fascist rhetoric with speech calling them out on why they are wrong.

This is not fascist rhetoric, though. These women (some of whom are organisers of the original march) have embraced Farrakhan and papered over his lifelong antisemitism. They might as well have handed a loaded rifle to the media and said “shoot us.”

That the local groups are mostly silent, and allies like Planned Parenthood are abandoning them, should tell them something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:45:03pm

jeebus, these Women’s March v. anti-semite wingnuts demands are turning into Al Franken redux.

DISAVOW OR BE DAMNED!!!111!!!

jeebus…I’m exhausted.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:46:35pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m amazed that millions of women are apparently tainted by four self-promoters (that most people have never heard of, and wouldn’t recognize if they met them anywhere) who are trying to take over a true grassroots movement, and demands are being made of those millions of women to disavow some bullshit that has nothing to do with them.

it’s bullshit pure and simple. I’m with BlueGrl.

I agree.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:46:52pm

You all have mostly moved past the high speed rail discussion (I was sleeping, yo!) but I wanted to throw out a few thoughts regarding the Chinese system.

China had been thinking about building out and modernizing its rail system — already the world’s largest — back in the days of Deng Xiaoping. The first HSR proposals were made in 2005.

China started small, with the first line connecting two nearby cities, Beijing and Tianjin, as a proof of concept. Fares were higher than the regular trains, but initially the target ridership was business people, government officials and the middle class.

As the network has expanded, ridership has followed. When I started riding HSR in China a few years ago, I saw very few factory workers/migrant workers and grandparent types on the trains. Riding HSR over the Chinese New Year, the riders now represent more socioeconomic classes than before, despite the hefty train fares (hefty by Chinese standards).

The Wenzhou collision forced the central government to pay closer attention to the railway ministry administration, which was rife with corruption. The accident involving one train rear ending an idling HSR train resulted from signal failures. A lightning strike apparently knocked out the signal blocks, and the moving train did not see the stationary train until it was too late. Shoddy construction and lack of QC were blamed, but the underlying reason was the railway ministry demanding the train run at its top design speed on its inaugural run on a major national holiday — for symbolic reasons.

Long story short: China has a high speed rail system because it was part of national long-ranging planning for at least four decades, and actively pursued for the last 13 years. China started small, but once the system proved itself, decided to build it out as fast as possible. Only a few lines run in the black; the national government subsidizes the CRH corporation, which runs the HSR system.

If the USA were to have HSR, it would take a concerted effort by Congress and the executive branch in cooperation with willing local partners to get even the first line built. Piecemeal efforts, including the hyperloop concept of Elon Musk, are just not going to work. Americans have largely forgotten how to travel by passenger rail — Amtrak being a joke — so they will need to see a domestic system that works as designed. That is, better than Acela runs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:48:07pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, these Women’s March v. anti-semite wingnuts demands are turning into Al Franken redux.

DISAVOW OR BE DAMNED!!!111!!!

jeebus…I’m exhausted.

Disavowing Louis Farrakhan should be a no-brainer.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org
(huge list of antisemitic quotes from Farrakhan)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:48:21pm

I’m just not going to get behind any political movement that has anything to do with Farrakhan.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:49:01pm

The Dems really should have started their own cable channel 20 years ago to carry the narrative for them. Now they just spend all their time fighting with each other and steaming turds like Bernie Sanders.

This is how you lose to a cartoon character like Donald Trump.

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Citizen K  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:49:15pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, these Women’s March v. anti-semite wingnuts demands are turning into Al Franken redux.

DISAVOW OR BE DAMNED!!!111!!!

jeebus…I’m exhausted.

I am no fan of Farrakhan. But yep, the whole thing is pretty much just one giant demonstration of how the left will pay for even minuscule sins that are constantly dwarfed by those committed by the GOP hundreds time worse in scale that they get away with on a daily basis.

Folks should disavow Farrakhan, but apparently the entirety of the left and Dems are apparently now super-massive psycho antisemites because of this, while Donny Smallhands is continually singing the praises of the guy who just blamed Jews for hacking the 2016 election.

Just…fuck it, I need a drink. I need several maybe.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:49:25pm

And now for something completely silly

Miku Hatsune - Ievan Polkka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:50:38pm

re: #285 Anymouse 🌹

Disavowing Louis Farrakhan should be a no-brainer.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org
(huge list of antisemitic quotes from Farrakhan)

Sorry, I spoke out against Farrakhan decades ago when he first emerged out of the slime.
I don’t have to keep doing it to keep the purists happy, nor to validate my own personal opinions that have nothing to do with him or his four admirers.

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:51:10pm

re: #284 wheat-dogg

If the USA were to have HSR, it would take a concerted effort by Congress and the executive branch in cooperation with willing local partners to get even the first line built.

Our government has largely forgotten how to do that.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:51:51pm

re: #276 The Ghost of a Flea

This has really amazed me. Some very powerful people on the right, some who officially represent our country have been dog whistling and fog horning their asses off every day and it’s just being normalized. It’s scary and hate crimes are increasing. And even the non powerful actors like the Parkland shooter with his MAGA hat and hate symbols just get ignored.

SMDH

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:51:53pm

re: #288 Citizen K

I am no fan of Farrakhan. But yep, the whole thing is pretty much just one giant demonstration of how the left will pay for even minuscule sins that are constantly dwarfed by those committed by the GOP hundreds time worse in scale that they get away with on a daily basis.

Folks should disavow Farrakhan, but apparently the entirety of the left and Dems are apparently now super-massive psycho antisemites because of this, while Donny Smallhands is continually singing the praises of the guy who just blamed Jews for hacking the 2016 election.

Just…fuck it, I need a drink. I need several maybe.

Farrakhan is not a “minuscule sin.” He is an antisemite, full stop.

How is this any different than asking Donald Trump to disavow David Duke?

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whitebeach  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:52:59pm

re: #270 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #276 The Ghost of a Flea

Damn, my friend, you are nailing it down tight tonight.

I really think that whatever leverage sane people have must begin with the media. We have to shame and ridicule and ultimately turn the reporters and “personalities,” at least some of whom once had ideals. And we have to turn off the fucking channels that promote magical balance and give Trump a ten-to-one coverage advantage, and let them know we turned them off, and why. Go after their advertisers too. That really hurt Rush and Beck, which means it can hurt damn near anybody. I wouldn’t go overboard trying to be fair about it, either.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:53:58pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sorry, I spoke out against Farrakhan decades ago when he first emerged out of the slime.
I don’t have to keep doing it to keep the purists happy, nor to validate my own personal opinions that have nothing to do with him or his four admirers.

Part of whom organised the original Women’s March.

Politics is about perception. Like it or not, if they don’t disavow him, the entire movement will be painted as antisemitic.

As the old saw went in the Navy: “A thousand attaboys are wiped out by one oh shit.”

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:54:00pm

re: #291 jaunte

Our government has largely forgotten how to do that.

Then a Trump would come along and cut all the funding and destroy the infrastructure.

The American system makes doing things that take decades to complete impossible.

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majii  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:55:38pm

re: #117 sagehen

“Where Is Barack Obama?
The former president’s reticence in the Trump era is only hurting his party.”

FTS. This is exactly what I was referring to in my previous post. PBO isn’t the one who should be speaking out against the Yam. If he says one thing against the Yam, he’s attacked relentlessly. Let the GOPers, including the rw pulpit pimps, take the lead. FTS. FTS with a rusty crowbar. What the journalist who wrote this article wants is a sacrificial lamb, and I’m glad PBO is not taking the bait. A major reason I stopped donating to the DCCC and the DNC was because of the Dem politicians’ cowardice in supporting PBO when he most needed their support. Fuck them, too. I’ll never give either org another red penny, though I will donate to individual Dem politicians.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:55:41pm

Bernie in Lubbock! Comments are a hoot. Remember, these are people who thought Eisenhower was a commie

Facebook Post

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CarolJ  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:55:44pm

re: #286 I Would Prefer Not To

The Movement never had, or would have, anything to do with Farrakhan. Farrakhan, is at best, a man frozen in the early 60’s, when all women were told to be submissive and stay at home.

Tamika Mallory has a complicated history here. NOI women helped her after her son’s father was murdered 17 years ago when she was pregnant and were supportive during her pregnancy. And no doubt she thinks of Farrakhan in those terms. I have no doubt that he can be quite charming at times as well, saying supportive things mixed with the other stuff.

As for me, I think of him as the black equivalent of L Ron Hubbard, offering improvements along with an oppressive cult mentality.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:55:44pm

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

The Black Hundreds are coming back.

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That’s just confusing for bigots here: Do they now support the Jews for putting Trump in power or keep hating them?

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blueraven  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:55:51pm

re: #285 Anymouse 🌹

Disavowing Louis Farrakhan should be a no-brainer.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org
(huge list of antisemitic quotes from Farrakhan)

So it should be for disavowing neo Nazi scum, but our dear leader somehow manages…

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:56:07pm

I’m way past tired. I’m going to have to hit the rack.

Try to keep the Republic save whilst I sleep.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:57:28pm

re: #295 Anymouse 🌹

Part of whom organised the original Women’s March.

Politics is about perception. Like it or not, if they don’t disavow him, the entire movement will be painted as antisemitic.

As the old saw went in the Navy: “A thousand attaboys are wiped out by one oh shit.”

Life is not fair.
If we don’t 86 Farrakhan the march/woman’s issues lose.
Life is not fair.
Farrakhan has contributed nothing but hate
Life is still not fair.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:58:07pm

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

Farrakhan is not a “minuscule sin.” He is an antisemite, full stop.

How is this any different than asking Donald Trump to disavow David Duke?

When’s the last time you posted here that Trump should disavow Duke?

Also, how important is Farrakhan? What policy is he getting passed?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:58:09pm

so sad that this is what he seeks for validation.

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TedStriker  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:58:49pm

re: #291 jaunte

Our government has largely forgotten how to do that.

It’s not as much “has largely forgotten how to do that” as it is “the GOP, as it has increased its stranglehold on the federal government, is abdicating its responsibilities to all of the American people and what responsibilities aren’t being completely abdicated are being parceled off to the people willing to give major payola to said GOP politicians”.

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whitebeach  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:58:54pm

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve been going through more: Yahoo News is now painting the Women’s March as anti-Semitic, Planned Parenthood in Hawai’i has denounced the anti-Semitism and cut ties with the Women’s March, &c. By tomorrow, expect it on television and in the New York Times and Washington Post if local groups don’t definitively disavow Farrakhan. I’d bet my next VA disability cheque on that.

So what? The righteous response to any media asshole asking millions of women when they quit beating Jews is to laugh in their fucking faces.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:59:22pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

so sad that this is what he seeks for validation.

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I’ll bet that most of that crowd aren’t even voters in PA18.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 5:59:42pm

Refer RWNJ detractors to Matthew 7:3. If they don’t know what you mean, tell them to ask a Christian.

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CarolJ  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:00:53pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wouldn’t be surprised if he never really goes back to the White House again. He doesn’t like the place, or the demands. It’s easier to stay on the road and have nothing but rallies.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:01:28pm

re: #291 jaunte

Our government has largely forgotten how to do that.

The last effort would have been the Apollo program, and then once finished, quickly forgotten.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:07:02pm

re: #303 I Would Prefer Not To

Anybody that thinks those women will survive this is crazy. They won’t and shouldn’t. Long think pieces will be written on why it took so long while Miller etc all throw up the OK sign in the White House and white supremacists keep killing people.

Meanwhile all the women who still don’t know the original organizers of the March in DC will keep doing the work.

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Citizen K  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:07:10pm

re: #304 Belafon

When’s the last time you posted here that Trump should disavow Duke?

Also, how important is Farrakhan? What policy is he getting passed?

Pretty much this. Farrakhan is a piece of shit, but at this point he’s almost a non-factor far as actual influence. It’s what makes the reluctance of those involved to disavow him that much more baffling, but it’s what makes using him to paint an entire movement with the broad brush of anti-semitism that much more frustrating, again when there’s such a reluctance to even tepidly apply that same standard to folks with actual power and far more influence that seem to run the fuck out of everything in the current administration.

Yes, life isn’t fair. That doesn’t mean we’re supposed to simply grin, bear it, and accept the double standard either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:07:41pm

video:

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Slump-chan  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:07:50pm

re: #285 Anymouse 🌹

First they came for the easy targets
and I did not speak out - because it was a no-brainer…..

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Interesting Times  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:08:16pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

video:

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:09:04pm

re: #312 JordanRules

Also, he’s not involved in the march or any women’s issues. He’s a fuckin misogynist.

Mercy.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:10:18pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

video:

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I’m really debating asking one of the guys at work what he thinks about Bannon stating that the Republican party has been turning Nazi.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:11:32pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

video:

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BlueGrl21  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:12:01pm

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹

What the right-wing media does might not matter to us, but it does matter to those who follow right-wing media. You should care a whole lot. The right wing is framing the narrative as we write here.

As for the mainstream media, they will treat conservative caterwauling as if it is serious objections.

As a matter of fact, the magicbalancefairyists are already doing it.

The Women’s March has an anti-Semitism problem — and a Louis Farrakhan one (Salon, an ostensibly left-leaning outlet)

Why Women’s March leaders are being accused of anti-Semitism (Vox)


The Women’s March Has a Farrakhan Problem. The group refuses to be accountable for a high-level alliance with an open anti-Semite.
(The Atlantic)

Planned Parenthood parts ways with Women’s March organizer over ties to Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan (Washington Examiner, a right-wing outfit treated by the magicbalancefairyists as neutral, and Hawai’i Planned Parenthood has indeed announced it is cutting ties with the Women’s March on the grounds of bigotry).

It doesn’t matter who these women are (though some are organisers of the original march). If this is not dealt with and soon, your feelings about the matter will make no difference. The Women’s March will be gleefully tainted by the magicbalancefairyist media as anti-Semitic, and it will become poison.

None of this matters to the local groups of women who are organizing in their communities. And no one can make them stop organizing. Each group is autonomous. Each group has different local concerns. A march in Houston will not be the same as a march in San Francisco. There is no national organization. It’s all local.

So….people don’t march with us? That’s the concern?

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:12:45pm

There’s a whole lot of pushing back on Bannon in the comments, in case you need a pick-me-up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:16:04pm

re: #320 BlueGrl21

None of this matters to the local groups of women who are organizing in their communities. And no one can make them stop organizing. Each group is autonomous. Each group has different local concerns. A march in Houston will not be the same as a march in San Francisco. There is no national organization. It’s all local.

So….people don’t march with us? That’s the concern?

I got a dollar says not 1 marching woman in 100 ever heard of these so-called ‘leaders’, so this whole Farrakhan thing strikes me as a lot of horseshit.

“But he’s an antisemite!”

Yeah. And?

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:17:20pm

re: #321 Belafon

I do and thank you!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:17:49pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:19:27pm

He won the WHITE women, and they’re the only ones who count, to him and his base.

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:19:31pm

People love to throw rocks and hide their hands.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:20:09pm

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

I got a dollar says not 1 marching woman in 100 ever heard of these so-called ‘leaders’, so this whole Farrakhan thing strikes me as a lot of horseshit.

“But he’s an antisemite!”

Yeah. And?

Exactly. I don’t know how to explain to people that the women involved are simply not going to stop marching or working. The rest of this is noise most of them know nothing about and don’t care. It’s a distraction from the work we’re doing to register voters and keep our kids from getting shot.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:20:10pm

re: #291 jaunte

Our government has largely forgotten how to do that.

Once upon a time America had a National will to do things. But ever since the New Right came to power with Proposition 13, the National Will has become a National Won’t. Which is why I truly fear that this country is headed the same way as every other empire that’s fallen…

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:20:28pm

It’s purposeful racism. He’s directing the OK to Pennsylvania.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:20:35pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:21:56pm

Something that made me feel old today: The realization that there are people walking around who are THIRTY years old and have no memory of the Soviet Union.

I was born in 1981 so I was not alive at the height of the Cold War but I do remember some of the 80s Russian hysteria.

I remember Reagan meeting with Gorbachev. I remember learning about Communism and Russia in school. I remember seeing the Hammer and Sickle flag in the Olympics and and hockey games and other events.

And I remember a lot of the shit that went down right near the end in 1991. I remember watching the nightly news with my dad as it all happened.

Amazing that to a lot of people the USSR is now just a history lesson.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:23:34pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:23:49pm

Compare with the Tea Party, who we weren’t allowed to criticize or characterize by their own scripted fucking talking points that didn’t make any damn sense, or their fucking lunatic spokespeople, or the nutters who took it the extra mile and did something ugly (like step on a lady’s head while “restraining” her a Rand Paul event). They were who they said they were—up to and including not being Republicans—in spite of all evidence to the contrary. They weren’t responsible for the shit they did in their own crowds, let alone their whole movement.

If politics is perception, then what does it mean when “perception” is astigmatic? Isn’t that part of the equation that we should dwell on?

When you encounter a bad faith system—whether it’s an abusive parent or a whole fucking movement in your country—you say “that is fucking bad faith ” and you make you own plans, define yourself without reflexive response to more bad faith critique, and do your best to speak for yourself.

The idea that you can meet expectations that are set up to make you fail, with a judge that won’t give you a win…Lucy will not let you kick the football, Charlie Brown. The hypothetical support and love you could win by kicking the football is a trap full of inedible bait.

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Citizen K  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:24:52pm

Through the looking glass at this point. I fully expect Trump to try and pull the president-for-life bullshit, regardless of the outcome of ‘18. And I’m terrified that, with the way things are, he might manage to get away with it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:27:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:28:13pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:28:21pm

re: #334 Citizen K

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Through the looking glass at this point. I fully expect Trump to try and pull the president-for-life bullshit, regardless of the outcome of ‘18. And I’m terrified that, with the way things are, he might manage to get away with it.

It’s the end result of 40 years of the RepubliKKKlan 24/7 Bullshit Machine endlessly brainwashing the masses.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:28:25pm

re: #334 Citizen K

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Through the looking glass at this point. I fully expect Trump to try and pull the president-for-life bullshit, regardless of the outcome of ‘18. And I’m terrified that, with the way things are, he might manage to get away with it.

They tried that here in Texas after Reconstruction ended. The former governor even locked himself in the Governor’s mansion. He was finally removed.

There are too many of us.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:29:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:30:41pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:30:50pm

I’m going to sign off before I get too depressed, start screaming at lizards. It’s been a day.

We can do better.

carry on.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:30:54pm

And I will say this about the conservatives where I work. They may not like liberals in the abstract, but they’re not going to take to anything that screws with our system like a person not leaving office.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:31:56pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Burns Harbor was unavailable for comment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:32:39pm
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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:33:30pm

The one conservative whose vocal enough I’ve argued with before was talking to me about the ballots we had on Tuesday. In addition to picking the primary candidates here in Texas, the ballots had a bunch of items that looked like ballot measures but were just party platform statements. We both agreed that they kind of looked like push-polling.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:33:46pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:35:43pm

re: #333 The Ghost of a Flea

When you encounter a bad faith system—whether it’s an abusive parent or a whole fucking movement in your country—you say “that is a fucking bad faith movement” and you make you own plans, define yourself without reflexive response to more bad faith critique, and do your best to speak for yourself.

The idea that you can meet expectations that are set up to make you fail, with a judge that won’t give you a win…Lucy will not let you kick the football, Charlie Brown. The hypothetical support and love you could win by kicking the football is a trap full of inedible bait.

Exactly. This thread sums it up well:

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blueraven  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:35:57pm

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can you even imagine what would have happened if Obama had called a reporter a Son of a Bitch, or if he had asked the people in the crowd if they liked him?

The cult of personality is so strong and so far beyond what even The Right claimed about Obama voters.

It is vomit inducing.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:37:13pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

So is the “president for life” comment. People have every reason to be fearful of this horrible man and his horrible supporters.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:38:20pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:39:23pm

I have to admit that I never heard of the woman who allegedly admires Calypso Louie. Who the hell made her the Official President Of The Women’s March?

I do admit that I dislike Linda Sarsour and especially her attempt to co-opt feminism for her own particular pet cause, saying any woman who supports Israel can’t be a “real” feminist. Golda Meir would kick her ass.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:40:05pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

Soledad’s right on the money here because of course the media will continue to televise all his campaign events, just like they did in 2016.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:41:01pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:41:22pm

re: #117 sagehen

Where Is Barack Obama?
The former president’s reticence in the Trump era is only hurting his party.
theatlantic.com

Nah. President Obama already served his time in the political spotlight. He owes us no more than he’s willing to give. He’s not the Magic Negro.

Why can’t the hundreds of other Democratic politicians stand up against Trump?

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CleverToad  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:41:50pm

Totally silly OT:
I am totally not a cook. A few days ago out of a clear blue sky my little old mother asked for asparagus soup.
“Asparagus soup. Of what is this you speak, o dear mother of mine?”
“Don’t you remember when we were living back in Omaha (c. 1974, long story) and Grandma founds some asparagus growing in the back yard? She made cream of asparagus soup.”
I do not remember this. In the least. Okay, I sort of remember the asparagus, but not the soup part.
Head online to do some research, and yes, this is in fact a real thing, Campbell’s even makes it. Campbell’s does not appear to sell it in my neck of the woods, but they make it. Amazon sells if for $1.58 plus you want HOW much for shipping one darn can…?

Being a cheapskate, tonight’s supper was Homemade Asparagus Soup, courtesy of my grandmother’s Searchlight cookbook (c. 1931, 17th edition printed 1944). It came out edible, so I am totally unjustifiably chuffed with myself. Her Pickiness deigned to approve. If she doesn’t want the leftovers as soup tomorrow, it’s going to become the sauce for a chicken/asparagus/mushroom casserole.

I now return you to the usual discussion of frustrating politics, and of gourmet cooking from the talented lizards who keep dangling tempting pictures in front of us. And pies.
:)

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:43:07pm

re: #348 blueraven

And the print media won’t even mention it (bad word) while the electronic media will give a pass, like always.

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:44:55pm

re: #354 Patricia Kayden

That’s the $100 million dollar question.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:45:36pm

re: #351 The Vicious Babushka

I have to admit that I never heard of the woman who allegedly admires Calypso Louie. Who the hell made her the Official President Of The Women’s March?

I do admit that I dislike Linda Sarsour and especially her attempt to co-opt feminism for her own particular pet cause, saying any woman who supports Israel can’t be a “real” feminist. Golda Meir would kick her ass.

So would Bella Abzug and Betty Friedan.

Someone didn’t pay attention in Feminism 101 class.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:45:55pm

yep, still a moron…and so are his fans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:47:25pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:47:33pm

re: #128 Mattand

While I’m bitching about MBF: Bill Maher was chastising liberals last night for being skeptical that Trump can pull off negotiating with North Korea. The logic was literally “Don’t be negative and give him a chance” (along with some idiotic analogy to Maher and his drug dealer.)

Well, Maher, you fucking idiotic jackass, it’s because Trump doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing and could trigger WW3 if he fucks up. That’s why people are skeptical of the idea, idiot.

Now go back into your panic room because you saw an educated Muslim woman who received a flu shot.

After Maher sucked up to Milo and didn’t even mention why Milo was banned from Twitter, I’ve stopped watching. Well, I peeked to see his interaction with the Parkland students but that’s about it. His free speech stance is a little too wide for me.

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blueraven  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:48:09pm

re: #356 Skip Intro

And the print media won’t even mention it (bad word) while the electronic media will give a pass, like always.

Just trump being trump haha, move along people!

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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:48:40pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Yeah, I don’t find this funny.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:49:44pm

oh…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:49:52pm

re: #361 Patricia Kayden

After Maher sucked up to Milo and didn’t even mention why Milo was banned from Twitter, I’ve stopped watching. Well, I peeked to see his interaction with the Parkland students but that’s about it. His free speech stance is a little too wide for me.

I’m in total agreement with you, Patricia. Whatever respect I had left for Maher ended when he had that despicable hate monger on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:50:35pm
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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:50:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:52:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:54:29pm

re: #279 majii

I agree with everything you said but it’s not just Tamika Mallory. It’s three of the four original organizers of the Women’s March who have ties to Farrakhan, ironically all three that Bob Bland brought onboard to make her nascent movement more diverse. And if this was an isolated incident it’d be easy to dismiss as isolated and not worth commenting on, however as has been pointed out in past threads antisemitism has recently creeped into the self styled leadership of several other social justice movements. We’ve seen it in the Chicago Dyke March which banned Jewish marchers carrying rainbow flags with Stars of David on them. We’ve seen it in the Movement for Black Lives, which purports to speak for the leaderless BLM. And we’ve seen it in the DSA & Bernie Bros where the otherwise monomaniacal focus on socialist policies and subjugation / rejection of identity politics to that economic monomania somehow, inexplicably becomes intertwined supporting BDS and solidarity with Palestine.

Anyway it’s not that I think anybody should really care what dishonest right wingers will say about these antisemitic infiltrations of leadership positions. It’s that these movements are to whatever degree being coopted at all at, which makes their messaging less focused and effective. It’s that their advocacy is being diluted with shit that has nothing directly to do with the core founding beliefs and it’s notable that it’s somehow consistently antisemitism that is allowed to accrete onto these movements instead of say vegetarianism or climate change awareness.

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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:55:40pm

re: #62 freetoken

The reality is America has been built around the automobile for at least a century.

Our culture is wed to the idea of everyone having (at least one if not more) automobiles.

That’s not something that can be untangled by a few fleeting moments of community spirit that says we should ride trains.

My life today would not be possible without a personal automobile. Mass transit is scarce and everyone is spread out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 6:58:38pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:01:09pm

re: #180 JordanRules

LMAO!

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Wow. So CNN allows anyone to write for them now? How can Kushner drain the swamp without a security clearance? And he’s just as financially sleazy as Trump. He’s part of the swamp.

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blueraven  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:01:18pm

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yikes!

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:03:45pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder if any Republicans are thinking “We need Saccone to lose so we’re less beholden to Trump.”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:03:57pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:04:31pm

re: #373 blueraven

That’s the lead singer/bassist of Slayer Tom Araya in cat form.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:05:09pm

re: #375 Charles Johnson

JFC.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:05:39pm

re: #191 BlueGrl21

LGF is the only place I’m reading or hearing about Farrakhan being remotely related to the Women’s March. Plus, I don’t know who the leaders of this movement are beyond regular women who want to resist the Trump agenda.

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Belafon  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:05:43pm

re: #373 blueraven

Yikes!

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If your stylist gave you that kind of hair cut you’d be mad, too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:05:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:07:20pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:09:13pm

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dude, that’s, like, twelve multi-ton stones only being moved with a van, a trailer, and two guys?!? Does England have an equivalent of OSHA?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:09:48pm
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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:09:52pm

re: #287 Skip Intro

The Dems really should have started their own cable channel 20 years ago to carry the narrative for them. Now they just spend all their time fighting with each other and steaming turds like Bernie Sanders.

This is how you lose to a cartoon character like Donald Trump.

They sorta kinda did.

Then Ted Turner sold it to Time Warner; for which I will NEVER EVER forgive him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:11:39pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:12:49pm

I confess one thing that bothers me when I see it on twitter and even LGF are gross, lie-filled rightwing memes posted with either no comment or very little. The visual result is that the rightwing meme is amplified, which, for obvious reasons, is something you don’t want to do (think of how many people online merely skim-read). Here’s a far more effective way to alert people to a garbage meme without inadvertently giving it free advertising:

You might look at this and think, “but I can hardly see what he’s talking about because of the text overlay” - that’s the whole point! The identity of the fake group isn’t what’s important - it’s the content of their message. Visually, this tweet is letting you know that ANY attack on his service is right-wing fake news.

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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:12:55pm

re: #378 Patricia Kayden

Right wing radio screeched about it non-stop yesterday.

I don’t know what it is and how I tolerate it, but when I’m in my car for hours on end, I listen to AM talk radio and take it in.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:13:10pm

re: #383 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So is Tweetler gong to Include the PhRMA and Pharmaceutical executives who force doctors to overprescribe opioids? Are they going to get the death penalty as well?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:13:17pm

re: #220 The Major

Hasn’t the no disclosure deal already been broken by yappy Cohen? He’s the one who told everyone about the amount of money paid to Stormy in the first place.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:13:50pm

Finally getting around to watching Mockingjay Part 2.

I can totally get behind this “bringing down an asshole President” plot.

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BigPapa  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:14:01pm

You may have your hour back tonight. For a few months at least.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:15:12pm

re: #224 goddamnedfrank

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Wow. So presidential. Insults are all he has. Not that I feel sorry for Stenographer Todd but still.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:15:57pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:17:31pm

The only thing missing from this GOP convocation is a cross burning.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:17:35pm

What do you think Trump would have said if Lamb was black?

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:18:36pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:18:45pm

re: #395 Eclectic Cyborg

What do you think Trump would have said if Lamb was black?

Trump would demand to see Conor’s birth certificate.

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sagehen  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:18:54pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:21:54pm
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austin_blue  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:23:38pm

re: #126 Dave In Austin

Matt is a touring musician…. Not sure with who.

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I was at the rally today. Beto has a great stump speech. That’s not unexpected. But for over half an hour after the rah-rah, he took open questions from the audience and if it related to a specific part of the rah-rah, expanded his logic in taking that position, with facts. If the question was off-topic from his rah-rah, (and since he has publicly spoken in almost every County in Texas since he began his run, he has heard very few new questions) he answered them quickly, with logic, and back-up factual data.

This is Texas, y’all! We aren’t used to that!

Reminded me a bit of how Obama campaigned. He was quite impressive. I gave him a Benjamin.

Oh, by the way, he is not taking PAC money, which I think is dumb. We have huge TV markets that are separate and distinct. So if you can spare a few bucks:

betofortexas.com

Read his positions. There’s no way he can beat Cruz despite the fact that Cruz is a slime mold of a human being. This is Texas, y’all.

But I’m a big believer in supporting lost causes (I’m a Dem in Texas), so please press the little red button in the upper right of the page and throw him a few bucks.

Miracles can happen.

He’s a hell of a candidate

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JordanRules  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:25:24pm

re: #369 goddamnedfrank

I think the women’s march is really different from those other groups.

It would be interesting to see if there are any common threads around the infiltrations, much like we keep learning about the campaign. And if there is, it’s not to say we didn’t have genuine elements who were wide open to it and of course thats unfortunate and needs to be beaten back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:26:27pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:26:53pm

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wut?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:27:05pm

re: #268 whitebeach

The Rightwingers in the Civil Rights era tried to smear Dr. King and other activists as Communists. That’s what they do.

I don’t understand why the entire Women’s March movement is supposed to freak out because three of its participants (who I’m sure aren’t popular or well known) are stupid and have connections to Farrakhan.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:27:51pm

JFC it’s a South Park episode come to life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:28:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:28:26pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

inorite?!

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Skip Intro  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:31:11pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

Wut?

“People say that they don’t believe the sun would rise in the morning without me.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:31:18pm

UGH

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:31:22pm

this is just pathetic

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jaunte  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:33:31pm
“This will include crowd shots that the mainstream media have intentionally neglected to show,” campaign manager Brad Parscale says in a statement.

I’m eager to see this traitor in jail.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:35:21pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:35:24pm

re: #409 The Vicious Babushka

UGH

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:35:33pm

re: #279 majii

Thank you. Keep in mind that Gorka is a member of a literal Neo Nazi Hungarian group. Yet Trump recently lunched with him. Where is the outcry that Trump has to denounce Gorka? When will Rightwingers be collectively held responsible for the racists among them?

The Women’s March movement will be just fine because it’s not a hierarchical entity and has no leaders.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:38:25pm

At least three shirts and a leather jacket.
The aroma surrounding him must be epic.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:38:59pm

re: #286 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m just not going to get behind any political movement that has anything to do with Farrakhan.

So because four women involved in a multi million Women’s movement are linked to Farrakhan, you’re going to trash the entire movement? Alrighty then.

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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:39:41pm

re: #414 Patricia Kayden

OMG, majii cussed for real in this righteous rant!

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:39:48pm

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Major  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:40:44pm

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

The aroma surrounding him must be epic.

A fifth of scotch, perhaps?

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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:41:09pm

re: #414 Patricia Kayden

The Women’s March movement will be just fine because it’s not a hierarchical entity and has no leaders.

I’ve gleaned that Black Lives Matter has always been set up as such.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:54:21pm

re: #404 Patricia Kayden

The Rightwingers in the Civil Rights era tried to smear Dr. King and other activists as Communists. That’s what they do.

I don’t understand why the entire Women’s March movement is supposed to freak out because three of its participants (who I’m sure aren’t popular or well known) are stupid and have connections to Farrakhan.

From the Wikipedia, Farrakhan’s view of women:

“Mr. Farrakhan urged the women to embrace his formula for a successful family. He encouraged them to put husbands and children ahead of their careers, shun tight, short skirts, stay off welfare and reject abortion. He also stressed the importance of cooking and cleaning and urged women not to abandon homemaking for careers. ‘You’re just not going to be happy unless there is happiness in the home,’ Mr. Farrakhan said at the Mason Cathedral Church of God in Christ in the Dorchester section, not far from the Roxbury neighborhood where he was raised by a single mother. ‘Your professional lives can’t satisfy your soul like a good, loving man.’”

I can pretty safely say that Minister Farrakhan and feminism don’t see eye to eye.

As a feminist, I share no ideology or space with this man. As a human being I reject him. If those four women want to stand up and support him, they’re welcome to, but they do not and never have represented millions of women across the entire WORLD (not just the U.S.) who are part of the Women’s March. I find the four of them silly, misinformed, and annoying.

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meteor  Mar 10, 2018 • 7:56:08pm

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

LMAO

Anyway, the USA men’s team is kicking Japan’s ass 7-0 in Paralympic sled hockey.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:03:52pm

And I am now calling it a night. My cats are giving me the cold stink eye and my Labradork is waiting patiently for me to go to bed. Have to drag the 15 year-old off the PS4.

‘Night, all.

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teleskiguy  Mar 10, 2018 • 8:04:38pm

re: #420 teleskiguy

This is comment #420. I have claimed it.

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