Now Trump Wants to Start Killing Drug Dealers

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The latest development in Trump’s plan to transform the United States into an extreme right wing authoritarian hellscape: he and his gang of villains now want to start killing drug dealers.

The Trump administration is finalizing a long-awaited plan that it says will solve the opioid crisis, but it also calls for law enforcement measures — like the death penalty for some drug dealers — that public health advocates and congressional Republicans warn will detract from efforts to reverse the epidemic.

Trump apparently believes the way to “Make America Great Again” is to make it more like the Philippines and Singapore. But why go through all that time-consuming legal business to give them the death penalty, when you can just send out death squads like Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte?

That’s the Duterte who just announced he’s withdrawing the Philippines from the International Criminal Court, because he wants to keep on killing drug users in the streets.

And of course, as with every Trump position, look back a few years and you’ll find him saying very different things…

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:33:03am
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:33:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:34:59am
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:35:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:38:10am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:38:24am

So this story breaks that Mueller has subpoenaed docs from the Trump Org regarding Russia.

In the NYT article, it notes that this happened “in recent weeks”. Now….recall that a story broke a few days ago that Trump was looking to add Emmett Flood to his legal team (no deal has been reached yet on that matter, however); recall that Mr. Flood was a lawyer for Bill Clinton during his impeachment.

Yeah….shit just got real, and I think that little epiphany is sinking in up in the White House.

They’re not saying it, of course, but they’re bracing for impeachment.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:38:34am
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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:38:48am

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ipsos  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:39:57am

But, you know, building regulations are BAD and they HURT THE ECONOMY and we need to get rid of two old regulations for every new one that’s approved.

This is exactly the kind of shit you’d expect to see in a third-world country. Which I guess we are now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:40:22am
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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:40:32am

Kill drug dealers he says.

He has no fucking clue what he’s talking about.

Federal law and state laws don’t distinguish between dealers and users.

They distinguish between those who are possessing and those who distribute - and that is based almost entirely on the amount in possession.

Therefore, someone like Kudlow, who allegedly had a 6 figure coke habit per month could be prosecuted as a distributor of cocaine - not just mere possession.

At the same time, law enforcement and prosecutors also regularly treated drug mules as drug dealers and heaped distribution charges on to people with minimal amounts. Racial discrimination also plays a role here - both as to who is arrested in the first place and then the charges.

After all, someone like Kudlow wouldn’t even get arrested despite that kind of coke habit, but someone doing crack cocaine and possessing a few ounces could be hit up for both possession and distribution charges.

Trump doesn’t give a shit about any of these distinctions or issues.

He just is trying to deflect from the fact his entire administration is a shitshow and coming apart at the seams. He probably thinks it makes for great tv so people will ignore the failures that are coming every day (though his supporters are still propping up his corrupt regime - evangelicals still have 78% support for him).

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:43:28am

Not Sure How to Say This but Devin Nunes Is Stupider Than We Thought (Wonkette):

Guys. We think you need to sit down for this one. Devin Nunes, Donald Trump’s slow-witted pool boy, is dumber than we thought. Yes, we thought he had hit rock bottom when he released that hilariously stupid memo, the one that debunked its own premise on the last page. And we thought he hit rock bottom when he did … um, well basically everything Devin Nunes has ever done in his life pretty much screams, “Pick me last for the Knowledge Bowl!”

But it’s worse than we knew.

The Washington Examiner reports that Nunes attended a private dinner for wingnuts Wednesday night in DC, and no, it does not say whether he brought a dairy cow as his date, or whether Devin and/or the dairy cow had “I just had sex” hair when they showed up, but it sure does report on what he said when he started making words with his dumb mouth.

(more)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:46:41am
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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:47:01am

Interesting thread: Let’s talk about what happens if Trump fires Mueller.

All. Hell. Will. Break. Loose.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:47:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:51:41am
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:51:51am
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:52:20am
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:53:40am
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:54:25am
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:55:21am
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:56:22am
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 11:56:45am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:00:15pm
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:00:52pm

re: #20 gocart mozart

Can we put graphic torture pics behind private button?

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:01:13pm

Throughout the New Testament, even though it says that God gave up His son to save people, it also states that it’s entirely up to God who gets in and who doesn’t. If you’re going to believe in God and Jesus, get the rules right.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:01:59pm
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:02:44pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:03:26pm

re: #23 gocart mozart

I really like his Nighthawks.

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ipsos  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:04:34pm

re: #24 I Would Prefer Not To

If I didn’t think Johnny Maverickish would cave in the end and vote to confirm her, I’d be more impressed*

*assuming he actually gets to return to the Senate and cast any more votes, and I wish him only the best in that fight, truly and honestly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:05:47pm

re: #26 Belafon

Throughout the New Testament, even though it says that God gave up His son to save people, it also states that it’s entirely up to God who gets in and who doesn’t. If you’re going to believe in God and Jesus, get the rules right.

It also says the only unforgivable sin is a person who “denies God.” Stephen Hawking was an outspoken atheist.

Therefore all the conservaliars and pulpit pimps, and their followers, are out promoting Sir Hawking is in hell. (See also YouTube with a search of Stephen, Hawking, Hell for the outpouring of derp by Christians.)

Not for a second that I believe in a Heaven or Hell, but if there was one, I’d rather spend my time with Sir Hawking.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:06:00pm

re: #30 ipsos

If I didn’t think Johnny Maverickish would cave in the end and vote to confirm her, I’d be more impressed*

*assuming he actually gets to return to the Senate and cast any more votes, and I wish him only the best in that fight, truly and honestly.

This is one where I expect he’d follow through with opposing Haspel.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:07:17pm

re: #30 ipsos

If I didn’t think Johnny Maverickish would cave in the end and vote to confirm her, I’d be more impressed*

*assuming he actually gets to return to the Senate and cast any more votes, and I wish him only the best in that fight, truly and honestly.

They will all cave in. Flake has given great speeches but he does nothing. Every Republican has been deplorable. The outright repeal of the ACA was the only time that a few, including Johnny, did the right thing. But since then — nothing.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:08:01pm

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

It also says the only unforgivable sin is a person who “denies God.” Stephen Hawking was an outspoken atheist.

Therefore all the conservaliars and pulpit pimps, and their followers, are out promoting Sir Hawking is in hell. (See also YouTube with a search of Stephen, Hawking, Hell for the outpouring of derp by Christians.)

Not for a second that I believe in a Heaven or Hell, but if there was one, I’d rather spend my time with Sir Hawking.

Hey! I’ll see you there-along with the vast majority of my friends and family. I’ll bring snacks.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:09:07pm
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:09:17pm

re: #34 calochortus

Hey! I’ll see you there-along with the vast majority of my friends and family. I’ll bring snacks.

I put a down payment on real estate there a while ago. Hey neighbor!

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dangerman  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:09:51pm

re: #34 calochortus

Hey! I’ll see you there-along with the vast majority of my friends and family. I’ll bring snacks.

do we have to discuss pizza toppings?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:10:47pm

re: #37 dangerman

do we have to discuss pizza toppings?

Well, according to Little Nicky, the pineapple is saved for another use.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:10:51pm
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dangerman  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:11:55pm

re: #35 gocart mozart

In another sense, I am now scared that @WilliamShatner—who has done a job with the role of James Tiberius Kirk over his career that is beyond superb—is genuinely offended by my belief that he would not be an especially good carrier group commander…

and in a third…don’t give trump ideas

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scottslemmons  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:12:25pm

I’m willing to bet at least one of Trump’s kids sold drugs in college. And there are probably scads willing to drop a dime on ‘em.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:13:27pm

re: #37 dangerman

do we have to discuss pizza toppings?

It is a place of eternal punishment, after all.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:13:46pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:14:19pm

re: #41 scottslemmons

I’m willing to bet at least one of Trump’s kids sold drugs in college. And there are probably scads willing to drop a dime on ‘em.

Too long ago. Covered by statute of limitations.

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dangerman  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:14:54pm

re: #42 calochortus

It is a place of eternal punishment, after all.

good observation
i hadnt considered that angle

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:15:14pm

Can anyone explain how “good Christians” can sit at the right hand of the Father, rejoicing while their friends and relatives are suffering in Hell?
(Rhetorical question)

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:15:28pm

CuriosityStream, to mark Sir Stephen Hawking’s passing, has made all their videos of Stephen Hawking’s Favourite Places available free-to-view through Friday, March 23.

curiositystream.com

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:16:49pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:17:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:17:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:17:52pm

re: #46 calochortus

Can anyone explain how “good Christians” can sit at the right hand of the Father, rejoicing while their friends and relatives are suffering in Hell?
(Rhetorical question)

I can’t, but all my Christian relatives disowned me, except my sister.

They did not disown my sister, because while lesbianism is a forgivable sin, being an atheist isn’t.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:18:58pm
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nines09  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:19:39pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Gotta keep his boy clean?

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dangerman  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:20:31pm

re: #45 dangerman

good observation
i hadnt considered that angle

i’ll have already been cremated and my ashes either scattered to the winds or more likely forgotten altogether. im not worried about an imaginary eternity that might include pineapple pizza, even as punishment

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:20:39pm

Another one:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:20:50pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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dangerman  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:23:03pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Yesterday: Trump hires an adviser who admitted to a $100,000 a month cocaine habit.

clinton (bill) smoked some pot, never inhaled
obama smoked some pot
both condemned forever

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:23:03pm

re: #54 dangerman

i’ll have already been cremated and my ashes either scattered to the winds or more likely forgotten altogether. im not worried about an imaginary eternity that might include pineapple pizza, even as punishment

“Good night sweet prince….”

The Big Lebowski - Donny’s ashes

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:23:22pm

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

Another one:

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If there is an afterlife and a god, I’m sure Hawking has been convinced by the evidence. For those of us alive on earth, that evidence, easy though it would be for a supreme deity to provide, is lacking.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:23:27pm

And no church organisation will condemn them, since they haven’t in the past. (Individuals have, churches have not.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:23:31pm
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jaunte  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:25:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:25:52pm

I’m going to retire for a nap.

Yesterday, when it’s been 70F for three days, I stepped into a gutter getting out of my car and slipped on a wedge of ice in the gutter that extended for the whole block.

I fell backward onto my back, and don’t really feel very well today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:26:08pm
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nines09  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:26:19pm

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

I notice a lot of people talking smack about Stephen since he’s not around to tear them a new asshole.
Bold moves.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:26:26pm

I just got a reading on my Washington DC pressure meter. It’s almost off the clock. I’d be surprised if it can go another week without the lid blowing off.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:27:11pm

I saw somewhere what they thought Hawkings first post death thought was. “Oh, right… no mass so fast as I want!..”

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:27:41pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reality for the cult is defined only by the cult leader.

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:29:52pm

re: #59 calochortus

If there is an afterlife and a god, I’m sure Hawking has been convinced by the evidence. For those of us alive on earth, that evidence, easy though it would be for a supreme deity to provide, is lacking.

Whatever. Stephen Hawking had a longstanding and well-documented habit of making bets on theories or principles, even when the odds may or not may not have been in his favor. Maybe Pascal’s Wager was one of them…..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:31:19pm

More red meat symbolism

Build the Wall: We are protecting our borders!!!

Tax foreign imports: We are protecting our American jobs!!!

Execute drug dealers: We are dealing with the drug crisis!!!

Those sorts of statements play well with his base, will be spun and defended by conservative pundits but will ultimately fail to produce the intended results.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:31:24pm

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

Another one:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:31:28pm
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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:32:12pm

re: #69 Jay C

Whatever. Stephen Hawking had a longstanding and well-documented habit of making bets on theories or principles, even when the odds may or not may not have been in his favor. Maybe Pascal’s Wager was one of them…..

Of course Pascal’s Wager depends on belief in a god, any god, being good enough to get you into Heaven.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:32:38pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

They only reason they want to fire him is to cut off his retirement. No other reason.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:33:46pm

re: #74 Belafon

They only reason they want to fire him is to cut off his retirement. No other reason.

No other reason than wanting to be nasty people.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:33:57pm

re: #71 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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$5 that all of the people immediately piling on about Hawking’s lack of faith are the same ones who say it is too early to talk about gun control when a mass shooting occurs.

Where is the “too soon” chant about poor Dr. Hawking?

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:34:54pm

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

More red meat symbolism

Build the Wall: We are protecting our borders!!!

Tax foreign imports: We are protecting our American jobs!!!

Execute drug dealers: We are dealing with the drug crisis!!!

Those sorts of statements play well with his base, will be spun and defended by conservative pundits but will ultimately fail to produce the intended results.

He’s coming up here (NH) next week to spew this shit. He’ll get some support, too. Pretty bad heroin and fentynal problem (pills are pretty much over) and comments to FB page on local law enforcement always include a few “don’t use my tax money to keep him in jail, just shoot him” type remarks. But overall many people have friends or family who are addicted or have OD’ed and understand that it’s bullshit.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:35:34pm
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:36:10pm

re: #77 Barefoot Grin

He’s coming up here (NH) next week to spew this shit. He’ll get some support, too. Pretty bad heroin and fentynal problem (pills are pretty much over) and comments to FB page on local law enforcement always include a few “don’t use my tax money to keep him in jail, just shoot him” type remarks. But overall many people have friends or family who are addicted or have OD’ed and understand that it’s bullshit.

His proposal on dealers, unless he’s going to make it about dealing medicine explicitly, will do nothing for these addicts.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:37:27pm

re: #79 Belafon

His proposal on dealers, unless he’s going to make it about dealing medicine explicitly, will do nothing for these addicts.

That’s the tragedy here. There was all of this talk about making the addiction problem priority number one. Not only has that not happened, but in fact we’re losing recovery centers due to lack of funding.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:37:43pm

re: #78 JordanRules

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Remember the days when he was “plain-spoken” and “meant what he said”?

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:37:49pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:38:32pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

Remember the days when he was “plain-spoken” and “meant what he said”?

No.

Because it has never been true.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:38:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:40:11pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:40:23pm

re: #84 JordanRules

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Either way, I’m stocking up on popcorn.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:41:47pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh good! Glad someone is running and beat the filing deadline!

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:42:12pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yay, more Millennials!!!!

Changed to add more excitement.

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:42:33pm
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:43:36pm

re: #89 Kragar

They’re fighting to make their dad’s pay child support.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:45:28pm

re: #62 jaunte

Trump’s a fucking moron who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Oh, but Trump is pushing for a further rollback of health, safety, and environmental regs.

Guess what we had today: bridge collapse in Florida and an earth-shattering kaboom at a Texas factory.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:47:01pm

re: #89 Kragar

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Funny, but I can’t find any record of Joe ever serving a single day in uniform.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:48:14pm
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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:49:51pm

re: #91 lawhawk

Guess what we had today: bridge collapse in Florida and an earth-shattering kaboom at a Texas factory.

Infrastructure Week!
/

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:50:46pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:51:06pm

re: #91 lawhawk

Trump’s a fucking moron who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Oh, but Trump is pushing for a further rollback of health, safety, and environmental regs.

Guess what we had today: bridge collapse in Florida and an earth-shattering kaboom at a Texas factory.

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Texas wouldn’t be Texas without poorly-regulated factories exploding.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:51:25pm

re: #94 makeitstop

It’s always infrastructure week. Trump’s busy recycling his corrupt cabinet and looking to bring in talking heads he likes from tv - Fox and CNBC in particular.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:51:46pm

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

It also says the only unforgivable sin is a person who “denies God.” Stephen Hawking was an outspoken atheist.

Therefore all the conservaliars and pulpit pimps, and their followers, are out promoting Sir Hawking is in hell. (See also YouTube with a search of Stephen, Hawking, Hell for the outpouring of derp by Christians.)

Not for a second that I believe in a Heaven or Hell, but if there was one, I’d rather spend my time with Sir Hawking.

I thought that no one goes to heaven or hell until Judgement Day, which has yet to happen. Have I got this all wrong?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:52:43pm

re: #98 Skip Intro

I thought that no one goes to heaven or hell until Judgement Day, which has yet to happen. Have I got this all wrong?

No, the “Christians” do. The lore has changed over time to appeal to a changing audience.

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:53:33pm

Is Banksy back?

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:54:55pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hope she can pull out an election win.

That would be a hell of a display to Republicans of how screwed up their party is. If a person can just decide to run against someone that quickly and win, it shows just how bad a position the party is in.

Good luck Eryn!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:55:13pm

95K updings!

Thank you, fellow lizards!!! On my way to to the Century Note.

(I just live for these little random milestones)

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2018 • 12:55:16pm

re: #98 Skip Intro

I thought that no one goes to heaven or hell until Judgement Day, which has yet to happen. Have I got this all wrong?

You’re not on the Catholic page. They hold an to an intimate solo judgement at death, and the concert-festival “Last Judgement” at the end of time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:00:07pm

re: #91 lawhawk

Trump’s a fucking moron who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Oh, but Trump is pushing for a further rollback of health, safety, and environmental regs.

Guess what we had today: bridge collapse in Florida and an earth-shattering kaboom at a Texas factory.

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he sure knows how to do an infrastructure week!

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:00:24pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

So what are the rules, exactly? It’s all so confusing.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:00:26pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

You’re not on the Catholic page. They hold an to an intimate solo judgement at death, and the concert-festival “Last Judgement” at the end of time.

Add in the “in limbo” factor of Purgatory. Catholics always have “ways” in.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:03:33pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

Add in the “in limbo” factor of Purgatory. Catholics always have “ways” in.

Rules:
1) Do what the big nun says.

Even more confusing, you are out of the realm of time, in the land where “everything happens at once”, so it’s sort of moot.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:04:12pm

re: #91 lawhawk

Trump’s a fucking moron who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Oh, but Trump is pushing for a further rollback of health, safety, and environmental regs.

Guess what we had today: bridge collapse in Florida and an earth-shattering kaboom at a Texas factory.

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But isn’t that normal for Texas? Somehow they always managed to bypass safety regulations and most residents don’t seem to care — at least most who vote don’t care.

As for Florida — it will be interesting to see if the relaxation of any regulations contributed to the collapse today. OTOH, the GOP is not particularly good at pursuing investigations that may not reflect well on their policies.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:04:57pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

I was raised as a Lutheran so I know for certain that the rest of you have got it all wrong.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:05:09pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Rules:
1) Do what the big nun says.

Even more confusing, you are out of the realm of time, in the land where “everything happens at once”, so it’s sort of moot.

The ending of Lost.

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Varek Raith  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:05:35pm

Hola.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:06:02pm

re: #110 Belafon

The ending of Lost.

Seeing the end of lost before I decided to watch the series would have saved me a lot of time.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:07:02pm

re: #109 Skip Intro

I was raised as a Lutheran so I know for certain that the rest of you have got it all wrong.

Is it true that broccoli casserole is a Lutheran sacrament?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:07:30pm
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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:08:14pm

Some of you may remember how I spent my Sunday mornings in 2016. That would have been picketing the “Trinity Church” in Scottsdale, the home of “pastor” Mark Driscoll. Who’s that, you might ask? Well, among other things, he managed to implode the Mars Hill megachurch in Seattle in 2014. He used church money to get his book “Real Marriage” positioned on the NY Times bestseller list in 2012. He plagiarized stuff in other books. He hired a company to do his sermon research for him.

I picketed him through the election season in 2016 but gave up in disgust when white Evangelicals went 80 percent for Trump. It was like, “well, they deserve to get taken.”

That’s changed. Apparently Driscoll is expanding his grift. He and his wife spent a day at YouTube this week, with “good news” coming. And he’s got a new book being published in October called “Spirit-Filled Jesus: Live By His Power,” from the Charisma House imprint.

I don’t expect people to understand the differences between the Evangelical tribes, but, essentially, Driscoll is moving from the Reformed position, where he was given a pass on his subtle Charismatic beliefs, all the way over to the bunch who are seriously Word of Faith, Prosperity Gospel, “God doesn’t want you sick,” etc. It’s a remarkable shift and indicating that his grift among the “young, restless and Reformed” is over. Now he’s going to fleece the Spirit-fillled Charismatic flock. We’ll see how that works because Driscoll is seriously into Testosterone Jesus and Charismatics have no problem with women in ministry.

This will be amusing to watch. I’ll be doing it from the sidewalk in front of his “church.”

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:08:35pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why all of Trump’s attempts have failed.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:10:09pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m guessing tomorrow is firing day at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, it will be a bloodbath.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:10:22pm

re: #109 Skip Intro

I was raised as a Lutheran so I know for certain that the rest of you have got it all wrong.

Oh, so you were one of the original protesters, eh?

Fun note: One of the original new-wave bands I was in was 3/4 Catholic…friends from high school. Our name was 95 Posters. Guess where that came from…

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:10:30pm

Hank Hill is a conservative, but he would have been so offended by Trump’s steak eating habits that he probably would have run against Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:11:20pm

re: #116 Belafon

Why all of Trump’s attempts have failed.

He has to work with people he does not know.

Someone with no experience in government and no network of associates from that circle of potential associates.

But that is why people voted for him, they wanted an outsider who would come in and shake things up…

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:11:26pm

re: #117 bill d. (b.d.)

I’m guessing tomorrow is firing day at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, it will be a bloodbath.

The best way to not be fired is to be in the Oval Office with Trump.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:11:45pm

re: #14 makeitstop

Interesting thread: Let’s talk about what happens if Trump fires Mueller.

All. Hell. Will. Break. Loose.

It was the Saturday Night Massacre that did Nixon in, more than anything. If he’d let the investigation finish on it’s own merits, Congress probably doesn’t develop the will to impeach him - more likely they issue a censure and life goes on. But once he fired the investigators, it was too obvious that he was abusing power and obstructing justice. My hope remains that if Trump does the same, that Ryan and McConnell find the cervical/testicular fortitude to do what needs to be done - if only to potentially save themselves and the GOP in the next election cycle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:13:03pm

re: #122 KGxvi

My hope remains that…Ryan and McConnell find the cervical/testicular fortitude to do what needs to be done - if only to potentially save themselves and the GOP in the next election cycle.

Too late for that, they have to just bite down harder and ride it out.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:13:47pm

This was a lunatic posting death threats.

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:14:23pm
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:15:16pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

Add in the “in limbo” factor of Purgatory. Catholics always have “ways” in.

plenary indulgence for the fucking win.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:15:28pm

re: #121 Belafon

The best to not be fired is to be in the Oval Office with Trump.

[trump] Kelly go pick us up some McDonald’s…..and take your phone with you….check Twitter! [/trump]

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A Mom Anon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:16:06pm

re: #89 Kragar

WTAF is he talking about? Kids fighting for the right not to be shot is about free stuff how? Because unless he’s referring to the right to be free of bullet holes he needs to shut the ever loving fuck UP.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:16:12pm

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:17:19pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:18:19pm

re: #126 KGxvi

plenary indulgence for the fucking win.

Ever read the fine print? It’s like a Comcast TOS.

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nines09  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:18:24pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:20:05pm

re: #125 Citizen K

SCOOP: Trump administration finalizing opioid plan that includes death penalty for drug dealers. politico.com

That’ll mean a lot of dead pharma execs. It’s not street dealers that created the opiate crisis.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:21:23pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Ever read the fine print? It’s like a Comcast TOS.

There’s also the anointing of the sick, if it was good enough for John Wayne…

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:22:20pm

thread

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:22:40pm

re: #118 ObserverArt

Actually I was only there to meet girls, but that didn’t work out so well.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:23:11pm

re: #133 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’ll mean a lot of dead pharma execs. It’s not street dealers that created the opiate crisis.

Don’t you know that their definition of dealer explicitly states someone of African-American or Hispanic origin?

Let’s wait until the Trump plan has actually been released before we discuss its contents. Right now isn’t this all rumors and leaks? And you cannot rely on the truth of anyone associated with Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:24:17pm

re: #134 KGxvi

There’s also the anointing of the sick, if it was good enough for John Wayne…

Had to look up the Wayne story—the version I found gets it wrong.

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Jack Burton  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:25:44pm

re: #119 Belafon

Hank Hill is a conservative, but he would have been so offended by Trump’s steak eating habits that he probably would have run against Trump.

“…this is different. I have an idiot problem.”

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:26:45pm

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has to work with people he does not know.

Someone with no experience in government and no network of associates from that circle of potential associates.

But that is why people voted for him, they wanted an outsider who would come in and shake things up…

And people with no knowledge of foreign policy, domestic policy, or any policy beyond self-enrichment and fleecing/looting businesses before they go bankrupt.

That’s Trumpworld in a nutshell.

Trump also doesn’t want to hear anything he doesn’t agree with.

As President, all you get is information that will counter your views. It’s how being president works. All the tough decisions and all decisions requires lots of information and the ability to process that in a way that you can make an informed decision, even if it means doing nothing.

Trump only wants to do stuff he agrees with and doesn’t want to hear no or information that violates his worldview. He wont accept information that disagrees with him.

That’s stupendously awful for any elected leader anywhere. It’s beyond that for someone in the White House.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:28:02pm

re: #135 Stanley Sea

ashley yates
@brownblaze
I just did some quick research on the company that built that Florida bridge that collapsed and eek. 😬

They secured a massive gov contract for Guantanamo, have Manafort ties and whispers of foreign shady dealings PLUS the founder/owner is a Cuban ex-CIA collaborator.
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So no real investigation was done before granting them the contract nor oversight during construction. And probably no penalties await them for this terrible failure. It’s time more CEO’s are punished for their crimes with real prison sentences and substantial personal financial penalties.

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William Lewis  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:28:43pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

Add in the “in limbo” factor of Purgatory. Catholics always have “ways” in.

And no matter if da Father and the Son both say No, go to the back door and Mother Mary will let you in. ;)

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:31:05pm

re: #141 Hecuba’s daughter

All of that may be worth examining down the road, but the likely cause is an engineering failure or a mechanical failure.

I’m expecting to hear that it was a failure of tension rods within the prestressed concrete that was erected, or that they needed to make sure that the cable stays were in place before they allowed traffic below the structure - because the ultimate design was meant to be a cable stayed structure.

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CongoJack  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:31:41pm

re: #142 William Lewis

And no matter if da Father and the Son both say No, go to the back door and Mother Mary will let you in. ;)

Also don’t forget indulgences (Catholic school boy here of 13 years not to mention an alter boy). Got to love those get out of jail free cards with a little extra cash.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:31:56pm

re: #141 Hecuba’s daughter

So no real investigation was done before granting them the contract nor oversight during construction. And probably no penalties await them for this terrible failure. It’s time more CEO’s are punished for their crimes with real prison sentences and substantial personal financial penalties.

I did a little checking on the Freepers’ hot take on the bridge collapse. In among the “OMG this is terrible,” “massive lawsuits ahead,” and “probably built by illegals,” there were a couple comments about how the government didn’t prevent the tragedy and was therefor useless and should be eliminated. I would have thought strengthening it would help, but what do I know?

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:35:06pm

re: #145 calochortus

couple comments about how the government didn’t prevent the tragedy and was therefor useless and should be eliminated. I would have thought strengthening it would help, but what do I know?

You have to remember, though, from their point of view: government can do nothing right. If the government does something right it’s because rugged individuals overcame the harsh and overbearing government regulations to make the world better, and if only government would have got out of the way in the first place, this would have happened years ago anyway, so get rid of government. If government fails, it was always going to fail, so we are better getting rid of it and releasing the awesome power of the free market because the private sector can do everything better for less money and faster.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:35:19pm

re: #142 William Lewis

And no matter if da Father and the Son both say No, go to the back door and Mother Mary will let you in. ;)

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danarchy  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:35:20pm

re: #143 lawhawk

All of that may be worth examining down the road, but the likely cause is an engineering failure or a mechanical failure.

I’m expecting to hear that it was a failure of tension rods within the prestressed concrete that was erected, or that they needed to make sure that the cable stays were in place before they allowed traffic below the structure - because the ultimate design was meant to be a cable stayed structure.

I heard on at least one of the channels that they were in the process of stress testing the bridge. If so, rush hour seems to be a really bad time to do it.

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CongoJack  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:37:23pm

re: #148 danarchy

I heard on at least one of the channels that they were in the process of stress testing the bridge. If so, rush hour seems to be a really bad time to do it.

Are all the deaths associated with the cars below - no pedestrians on the walkway itself?

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:39:10pm

re: #148 danarchy

I heard on at least one of the channels that they were in the process of stress testing the bridge. If so, rush hour seems to be a really bad time to do it.

Who stress tests anything over an open roadway? That has to be an erroneous report.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:40:17pm

re: #149 CongoJack

Are all the deaths associated with the cars below - no pedestrians on the walkway itself?

I don’t think the bridge was open to foot traffic, since it wasn’t completed yet. The suspension supports weren’t there.

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danarchy  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:40:52pm

re: #150 calochortus

Who stress tests anything over an open roadway? That has to be an erroneous report.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:41:30pm

re: #152 danarchy

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WTF?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:42:57pm

re: #152 danarchy

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Un-fucking-real. I want the head of whomever thought that was a good idea.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:44:26pm

re: #154 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Un-fucking-real. I want the head of whomever thought that was a good idea.

Hopefully, he was distributing drugs. /////

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:44:35pm
“If we are going to cloister ourselves in the alternative truth of an erratic leader, if we are going to refuse to live in a world that everyone else lives in … then my party might not deserve to lead,” [Jeff Flake] said in a speech at the National Press Club.

Based on the first half of that quote, there’s a word in the second half that shouldn’t be there.

He also apparently said, “as we are discovering … there is no damage like the damage that a president can do.” If you are just now discovering that fact, that means you are ignorant of the last, oh, 80-90 years of world history. And it also means that you “might not deserve to lead.”

It’s a half step in the right direction, but it needs to be so much more than this.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:44:37pm

re: #152 danarchy

Holy Shit. If someone doesn’t lose both their freedom and their fortune over this, then we are all fucked

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:45:42pm

re: #156 KGxvi

Based on the first half of that quote, there’s a word in the second half that shouldn’t be there.

He also apparently said, “as we are discovering … there is no damage like the damage that a president can do.” If you are just now discovering that fact, that means you are ignorant of the last, oh, 80-90 years of world history. And it also means that you “might not deserve to lead.”

It’s a half step in the right direction, but it needs to be so much more than this.

Sounds like he’s trying to get fired now.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:47:01pm

re: #158 Belafon

Sounds like he’s trying to get fired now.

He’s already not running for re-election, so it’s not like he has anything to lose. If anything he’s just trying to sell more copies of the book he’s going to write in the next year or so.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:47:37pm

I suspect the company was told there were to be no rush-hour delays. There are some DOT officials in that state that will need to be talked to, but I guarantee there are a whole lot of people who will be upset with this that are upset every time the road was shut down due to construction.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:47:53pm

re: #155 Belafon

Hopefully, he was distributing drugs. /////

I’m just astonished that someone, at some level, even down to the guys actually doing the test, didn’t stop to think about what they were doing and the current conditions. Like, what kind of systemic failure was occurring that somebody didn’t say, “Uhh, guys, there are cars underneath the bridge, maybe we shouldn’t do this?”

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:48:15pm

re: #156 KGxvi

Based on the first half of that quote, there’s a word in the second half that shouldn’t be there.

He also apparently said, “as we are discovering … there is no damage like the damage that a president can do.” If you are just now discovering that fact, that means you are ignorant of the last, oh, 80-90 years of world history. And it also means that you “might not deserve to lead.”

It’s a half step in the right direction, but it needs to be so much more than this.

That’s wrongly attributed. That reads as Jeff Flake. My former Confederate Senator would never say that, and there’s no way in hell he knows what “cloister” means.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:49:37pm

“Death penalty for drug dealers” will just further extrapolate the War on Crime/War on Drugs in doing absolutely nothing to address the actual problem, but excuse greater and greater abuse of power and terrorizing of marginal communities.

And as always, the reason given for the choice is bad faith. It’s not meant to work to solve addiction, just like its predecessors policies that “toughen” sentences weren’t meant to work.

Every single time—the reason given is a Trojan horse for whatever shit they think they can justify. It’s what unifies all these reactionary nutters.

They’ve emptied out God, Jesus, and the Bible. They’ve scraped the content out of the Constitution and thoughts out of the Founder’s biographies. “Ronald Reagan” is a deliberate mythic construct worthy of a Bioshock setting, “Andrew Breitbart” is being bowlderized as we speak. “Law and order” means nothing, nor do “rights.” Empiricism is contemptible and counterfeits are emotionally “true” enough to justify sweeping actions. Everything is weighed on the balance of: how do we justify whatever we want at the moment, using the cultural lexicon of “what is Good”?

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:49:50pm

re: #148 danarchy

I heard on at least one of the channels that they were in the process of stress testing the bridge. If so, rush hour seems to be a really bad time to do it.

An eyewitness to the collapse was driving up to the bridge when it fell. She said that one end fell and then the other, so it might have been an error in construction.

I couldn’t imagine driving up on that and being one of the cars that didn’t get crushed. I’d wonder for years what the hell I did right to avoid being killed by a falling bridge.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:49:59pm

Jeff “Flappin Jaw” Flake.

Lots of words. Nothing to back any of them up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:50:50pm

re: #140 lawhawk

That’s stupendously awful for any elected leader anywhere. It’s beyond that for someone in the White House.

Trump supporters were people who were fed up with politicians and politics as usual.

Granted, Trump has given us politics as most unusual.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:50:55pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

That’s wrongly attributed. That reads as Jeff Flake. My former Confederate Senator would never say that, and there’s no way in hell he knows what “cloister” means.

My bad, don’t know why I typed Sessions instead of Flake. Edited the post to fix it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:51:24pm

re: #145 calochortus

I did a little checking on the Freepers’ hot take on the bridge collapse. In among the “OMG this is terrible,” “massive lawsuits ahead,” and “probably built by illegals,” there were a couple comments about how the government didn’t prevent the tragedy and was therefor useless and should be eliminated. I would have thought strengthening it would help, but what do I know?

The Invisible Hand would have held it aloft

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:53:21pm

re: #163 The Ghost of a Flea

“Death penalty for drug dealers” will just further extrapolate the War on Crime/War on Drugs in doing absolutely nothing to address the actual problem, but excuse greater and greater abuse of power and terrorizing of marginal communities.

It is just another symbol, a catchphrase that will play well with his base and generate a lot of buzz in the press and get a lot of conservative pundits out defending its merits.

But as far as being an effective measure, it is right up there with “Build the Wall” and “Tax Imports”

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Decatur Deb  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:53:39pm

re: #167 KGxvi

My bad, don’t know why I typed Sessions instead of Flake.

If you’re in doubt about a Sessions quote, just try to read it in Foghorn Leghorn’s voice.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:54:54pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

If you’re in doubt about a Sessions quote, just try to read it in Foghorn Leghorn’s voice.

I liked them Klan boys before I found out some of them smoked the reefer.

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Weaselone  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:54:55pm

re: #164 makeitstop

Didn’t tailgate?

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:56:05pm
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 1:57:18pm

re: #164 makeitstop

An eyewitness to the collapse was driving up to the bridge when it fell. She said that one end fell and then the other, so it might have been an error in construction.

I couldn’t imagine driving up on that and being one of the cars that didn’t get crushed. I’d wonder for years what the hell I did right to avoid being killed by a falling bridge.

In Royse City a couple of years ago, a truck driver had a heart attack. Video from a car well behind the truck showed someone driving a van that masterfully swerved and avoided getting hit or hitting the truck. Whoever drove it should be driving getaway vehicles. It was worthy of a Mr. and Mrs. Smith remake.

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:07:32pm
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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:08:40pm

re: #175 Kragar

Historically, the recurring solution to income inequality on this level has been the torch wielding mob

I’m in.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:09:07pm

re: #175 Kragar

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Then we’ll blame the poor when the debt skyrockets!

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majii  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:12:41pm

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

“…Therefore all the conservaliars and pulpit pimps, and their followers, are out promoting Sir Hawking is in hell. (See also YouTube with a search of Stephen, Hawking, Hell for the outpouring of derp by Christians.)”

What pisses me off about these kinds of Christians is that they refuse to acknowledge that they have no control over whether they’ll end up in heaven or hell, but they delight in saying where others who have passed have gone. Bottom-line: According to the NT, they have zero power to save their own souls. We Christians are supposed to believe we’re saved by God’s grace. Persons like those speaking about Hawking being in hell, if they’re true Christians, should be working on saving their own souls because the truth is that they have the same destination we all have—-death.

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:12:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:15:21pm

re: #179 Kragar

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Mocking torture victims isn’t entertaining.

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:18:07pm
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:18:18pm

re: #178 majii

“…Therefore all the conservaliars and pulpit pimps, and their followers, are out promoting Sir Hawking is in hell. (See also YouTube with a search of Stephen, Hawking, Hell for the outpouring of derp by Christians.)”

What pisses me off about these kinds of Christians is that they refuse to acknowledge that they have no control over whether they’ll end up in heaven or hell, but they delight in saying where others who have passed have gone. Bottom-line: According to the NT, they have zero power to save their own souls. We Christians are supposed to believe we’re saved by God’s grace. Persons like those speaking about Hawking being in hell, if they’re true Christians, should be working on saving their own souls because the truth is that they have the same destination we all have—-death.

There’s an episode of Lucifer on Fox where the Devil tells someone the truth about hell - people send themselves there because of their own guilty conscience, and they can actually get out at any time (also fun fact: not many adult film stars in hell). There’s something about the elegance of that idea that I really like.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:19:09pm

re: #179 Kragar

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On the other hand, it will be quite entertaining to see all the traitors, conspirators, and un-registered Russian agents frog marched away to FEMA camp.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:20:24pm

re: #181 Kragar

What I keep trying to figure out is the math on this part:

Unemployment is under 5% (historically meaning “full” employment); manufacturing only makes up about 12% of the economy, as we’ve shifted to a service based economy; so where are we going to get workers to do those manufacturing jobs? Especially if we are cutting legal immigration to 1910 levels.

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danarchy  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:22:24pm

re: #157 A Mom Anon

Holy Shit. If someone doesn’t lose both their freedom and their fortune over this, then we are all fucked

Looks like the Mayor has confirmed there was some sort of testing going on:

Saw this too, not sure if it is just speculation or if they have some actual information:

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:27:40pm

Why the fuck would you perform a structural stress test with people underneath? That makes no goddamned sense at all.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:28:57pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

Why the fuck would you perform a structural stress test with people underneath? That makes no goddamned sense at all.

Simpsons job done right or fast

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:30:16pm

I never met my paternal grandfather. He died in his late 70s about four years before I was born. Apparently, he and my grandmother came home from a trip to find their basement flooded. He had a heart attack trying to pull a water-soaked carpet up some stairs: “didn’t pass that stress test,” was what my dad said when he described it.

So, as insensitive and inappropriate as it is, my first thought seeing the above about the pedestrian bridge was “welp, didn’t pass that stress test.” (My wife just said, “imagine being a first responder and trying to help people crushed in their cars….”)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:30:24pm

Someone convince me “death penalty for drug dealers” isn’t code for “let’s make it easier to kill minorities!”

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?

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VegasGolfer  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:32:37pm

therealdeal.com

“At a separate meeting, Manafort and Jiehe posed for a photograph with principals of one of these potential targets, Munilla Construction Management, a Miami-based firm that has a Pentagon contract to develop a school for the U.S. Navy at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Zackson posted that photograph on his website.”

The company who built the bridge have ties to manafort and….trump. Fred trump Zackson was old man trumps protege

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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:39:27pm
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dangerman  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:40:56pm

re: #73 calochortus

Of course Pascal’s Wager depends on belief in a god, any god, being good enough to get you into Heaven.

and yet not quite omniscient enough to know you’re making an insincere hedging the bet wager on him / it

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:42:36pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:43:20pm

Mueller’s Go game is strong.

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dangerman  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:44:25pm

re: #89 Kragar

Young Americans in the 1940s fought for freedom. Young Americans today fight for “free” stuff.

well joe’s right about this

young americans today fight to be free from being shot in school

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:45:09pm

re: #73 calochortus

Of course Pascal’s Wager depends on belief in a god, any god, being good enough to get you into Heaven.

Exactly. Most theistic religions are pretty clear that their deity(s) is (are) the ONLY one(s) that will get you into the more enjoyable of their afterlife alternatives.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:46:19pm

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

I hope his pre-nup is crap.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:46:48pm

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

She doesn’t want to get swept up in the eventually demise of the Trump crime family, and wants to get out while she can get some money?

Or, maybe Jr. is just a rotten husband?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:47:31pm

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

“Page Six first reported that they were struggling with marital problems related to Don Jr.’s travels and controversial tweets.”

An I wrong for laughing hysterically at this?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:47:52pm

The other thing about Pascal’s Wager is that it is yet another example of how believers nearly always see belief/nonbelief as binary - the only alternative to believing in NO god is believing in THEIR god.

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jimmyvluv4u  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:49:54pm

re: #198 freetoken

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:50:42pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

“Page Six first reported that they were struggling with marital problems related to Don Jr.’s travels and controversial tweets.”

An I wrong for laughing hysterically at this?

Uh oh…one is escaping.

I wonder if she has a Trump NDA created by Lawyer Cohen?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:50:49pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing about Pascal’s Wager is that it is yet another example of how believers nearly always see belief/nonbelief as binary - the only alternative to believing in NO god is believing in THEIR god.

A history of holy wars:

“Do you believe in God?”
“No.”
*STAB*

“Do you believe in God?”
“Yes.”
“Do you believe in my God?”
“No.”
*STAB* “My God’s dick is bigger than your God’s dick.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:52:34pm

re: #203 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:52:43pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

“Page Six first reported that they were struggling with marital problems related to Don Jr.’s travels and controversial tweets.”

An I wrong for laughing hysterically at this?

What’s really funny is that obviously Jr. doesn’t have a real job.

I hope she cleans him out.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:55:03pm

re: #202 ObserverArt

Uh oh…one is escaping.

I wonder if she has a Trump NDA created by Lawyer Cohen?

I really didn’t think anyone would be able to escape before the house comes tumbling down.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:55:51pm

re: #199 Eclectic Cyborg

[…]
An I wrong for laughing hysterically at this?

Only for the lack of volume. I can’t hear you.

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2018 • 2:59:54pm

re: #122 KGxvi

It was the Saturday Night Massacre that did Nixon in, more than anything. If he’d let the investigation finish on it’s own merits, Congress probably doesn’t develop the will to impeach him - more likely they issue a censure and life goes on. But once he fired the investigators, it was too obvious that he was abusing power and obstructing justice. My hope remains that if Trump does the same, that Ryan and McConnell find the cervical/testicular fortitude to do what needs to be done - if only to potentially save themselves and the GOP in the next election cycle.

Well, my inner cynic says (and I keep trying to get him to shut up, but he just won’t!) that if Trump really does go ahead and fire Mueller and shut down his investigation - that he wants to is pretty much a given, but even a narcissistic idiot like The Donald has to know there will be serious repercussions - he’s going to have to do it soon. The longer Mueller’s probe goes on, the more sleazy shit he is likely going to uncover, and the greater likelihood of him finding actionable criminal evidence against Trump himself, or his family. Shitcanning the investigation is his only hope (and this useless GOP Congress will do squat, we know that). And he’d better do it aas far before the midterms as possible.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:00:21pm

Ok, it’s my team, but this is such crap:

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:00:25pm

re: #198 freetoken

She doesn’t want to get swept up in the eventually demise of the Trump crime family, and wants to get out while she can get some money?

Or, maybe Jr. is just a rotten husband?

Why not both?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:01:16pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

Only for the lack of volume. I can’t hear you.

laugh harder

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:01:36pm

re: #203 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A history of holy wars:

“Do you believe in God?”
“No.”
*STAB*

“Do you believe in God?”
“Yes.”
“Do you believe in my God?”
“No.”
*STAB* “My God’s dick is bigger than your God’s dick.”

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:04:00pm

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

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Cool. Now I can control the volume!

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:10:02pm

So, before our allies and adversaries could couch things in terms like “President Trump has unorthodox views.” But now they pretty much have to say to their people: “President Trump just makes shit up, move along, nothing to see here.”

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harlequinade  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:11:07pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

That’s the cleanest Oglaf I’ve seen

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:13:32pm

Does SHS have any self-awareness?

Sarah Sanders says Trump didn’t admit lying when he admitted lying to Canada’s prime minister

[…]

“It shows that there actually is a deficit,” she said. “The president was accurate because there was a trade deficit. He didn’t have to look at the specific figures because he knew there was a trade deficit.”

Sander admitted, however, that she did not have proof of the claims “in front of her.”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:14:16pm

Lifting such a span with a single point of failure was obviously an incredibly dangerous maneuver. It was simply not designed to resist much more than the static force of its own weight without the full suspension cabling in place. The entire final design safety margin came from having that weight offloaded.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:18:31pm

re: #216 freetoken

“Fake, but accurate.”

They keep making the subtext text.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:18:42pm

jfc…these people…

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:19:08pm

re: #208 Jay C

Well, my inner cynic says (and I keep trying to get him to shut up, but he just won’t!) that if Trump really does go ahead and fire Mueller and shut down his investigation - that he wants to is pretty much a given, but even a narcissistic idiot like The Donald has to know there will be serious repercussions - he’s going to have to do it soon. The longer Mueller’s probe goes on, the more sleazy shit he is likely going to uncover, and the greater likelihood of him finding actionable criminal evidence against Trump himself, or his family. Shitcanning the investigation is his only hope (and this useless GOP Congress will do squat, we know that). And he’d better do it aas far before the midterms as possible.

Trump’s best case scenario is the GOP holding the House and then firing Mueller on Wednesday, November 7. And that only works if say, 30-50 House Republicans don’t abandon him over the firing.

If he does it before, that becomes the sole issue of the campaign - every Republican running for office is going to be asked some version of “why aren’t you investigating? How is this different from Nixon?” That’s going to be the only question at town hall events, in interviews, at every single appearance. That’ll be the subject of every campaign ad.

He’s trapped and the only way out of it is the GOP holding the House and continuing to believe that they can successfully ride this tiger.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:20:29pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: GOP senators demand Justice Dept name special counsel to probe FBI over Trump-Russia investigation

The goal of the Mueller investigation is to produce evidence that forces the GOP to act or to appear complicit themselves. If the investigator himself is under investigation, then they can dismiss his findings that much easier.

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:20:54pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

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Lifting such a span with a single point of failure was obviously an incredibly dangerous maneuver. It was simply not designed to resist much more than the static force of its own weight without the full suspension cabling in place. The entire final design safety margin came from having that weight offloaded.

It looks to me like that was half the bridge that was installed over the road, and the half that goes over the river wasn’t up yet? So some genius decided to put up the half of the bridge that goes over a busy road and then leave it there unsupported while they put up the other half, built the support tower, and then rigged all the support cables at the very end?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:22:04pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:22:21pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc…these people…

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This is like a bank demanding that the investigators looking into their crooked dealings start an investigation into the first investigation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:23:49pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fmr. U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance says Mueller has most likely already gotten Trump’s tax returns for every LLC to “follow the money.”

It will be fun when we get to see just how much of an “independent businessman” DT truly is…

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:24:02pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Republican senators writing to Sessions on Thursday said they “have the utmost confidence in the Inspector General’s integrity, fairness, and impartiality, and trust that he will complete these reviews in a thorough, unbiased, and timely fashion.”

However, they argued, “the Inspector General does not have the tools that a prosecutor would to gather all the facts, such as the ability to obtain testimony from essential witnesses who are not current DOJ employees.”

Dear Senators: Name one essential witness in this investigation that is not a DOJ employee. Otherwise, STFU with this Fox News nonsense.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:25:27pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:27:06pm

re: #222 calochortus

It looks to me like that was half the bridge that was installed over the road, and the half that goes over the river wasn’t up yet? So some genius decided to put up the half of the bridge that goes over a busy road and then leave it there unsupported while they put up the other half, built the support tower, and then rigged all the support cables at the very end?

Worse, it looks like they decided to lift the span they put up by a single anchor point just to see if the yield strength was up to spec. Then either the cable or anchor point snapped, the span fell an unspecified distance at one end and the impact cracked it causing a catastrophic collapse.

The stress test was part of the installation procedure, but doing it with people underneath was utterly insane. I’m also guessing that they didn’t properly inspect the lift hardware for signs of fatigue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:28:10pm
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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:28:20pm

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

Worse, it looks like they decided to lift the span they put up by a single anchor point just to see if the yield strength was up to spec. Then either the cable or anchor point snapped, the span fell an unspecified distance at one end and the impact cracked it causing a catastrophic collapse.

The stress test was part of the installation procedure, but doing it with people underneath was utterly insane. I’m also guessing that they didn’t properly inspect the lift hardware for signs of fatigue.

What could possibly go wrong?
Oh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:31:16pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

A guy menaces a student in a room full of people. Everyone is silent until someone yells “Stop it!” Then the dam breaks and a dozen people speak up at once.

a small-scale analogy to what the Never Again movement is to our society

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:32:53pm

re: #226 KGxvi

Dear Senators: Name one essential witness in this investigation that is not a DOJ employee. Otherwise, STFU with this Fox News nonsense.

If I had to guess, they either figure or know of ex-employees with axes to grind who are (for the right price) willing to testify that their ex-bosses “manipulated” the investigation.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:33:37pm

Just a reminder that there’s no racism left in America:

An IHOP restaurant in Maine retrained its employees after a waitress asked a group of black teens to prepay for a meal.

The eatery in Auburn, about 40 miles north of Portland, closed on Thursday for employee training and the waitress was disciplined, according to IHOP spokeswoman Stephanie Peterson.

The controversy started over the weekend after a waitress at the restaurant asked a group of black teenagers to pay for their meal beforehand.

Also, why wasn’t the waitress fired? She opened her employer up to a civil rights law suit. Generally, that’s a fireable offense.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:35:55pm

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

Worse, it looks like they decided to lift the span they put up by a single anchor point just to see if the yield strength was up to spec. Then either the cable or anchor point snapped, the span fell an unspecified distance at one end and the impact cracked it causing a catastrophic collapse.

The stress test was part of the installation procedure, but doing it with people underneath was utterly insane. I’m also guessing that they didn’t properly inspect the lift hardware for signs of fatigue.

Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to be put up against a wall and shot.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:36:16pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

???? Bracing at all? You would think that they would at least crib it up until the suspension rigging was in place. Christ on a Cracker…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:38:06pm

re: #233 KGxvi

Just a reminder that there’s no racism left in America:

An IHOP restaurant in Maine retrained its employees after a waitress asked a group of black teens to prepay for a meal.

Also, why wasn’t the waitress fired? She opened her employer up to a civil rights law suit. Generally, that’s a fireable offense.

I am ready to assume that if a table does a runner that the IHOP manager would then dock the waitress…this is America and that is how we treat food service employees

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:39:39pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

If I had to guess, they either figure or know of ex-employees with axes to grind who are (for the right price) willing to testify that their ex-bosses “manipulated” the investigation.

The funny thing is, those Senators have subpoena power and could do their own investigation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:41:13pm

re: #237 KGxvi

The funny thing is, those Senators have subpoena power and could do their own investigation.

and nobody in the GOP thought to demand that DT reveal his taxes before they staked their own party’s reputation on supporting him. I cannot get over that pact with the devil that they made

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:45:00pm

Sounds like the future former Mrs. Trump Jr. had the old man pegged from the get-go.

More than a decade before becoming president, Donald Trump introduced his son Donald Trump Jr. to the younger Trump’s future wife — but she did not take kindly to the introduction at the time.

Donald Trump Jr. and his wife, Vanessa, who were married in 2005 and are rumored to be heading for divorce, met in 2003 at a fashion show.

“Donald Trump comes up to me with his son: ‘Hi, I’m Donald Trump. I wanted to introduce you to my son Donald Trump Jr.,’” Vanessa Trump told The New York Times in 2006.

The conversation was awkward — and things only got more uncomfortable. During the intermission of the show, Trump spotted Vanessa again. And he once again decided to introduce the model to his son.

The Times wrote: “‘Donald comes back up to me again, “I don’t think you’ve met my son Donald Trump Jr.,”’ Vanessa Trump recalled. She remembers responding, ‘Yeah, we just met, five minutes ago.’”

Six weeks later, they met again at a mutual friend’s party, The Times said. They didn’t recognize each other until after an hourlong conversation.

“Then suddenly, something clicked: Wait, you were at that fashion show. Wait, you’re ‘the one with the retarded dad!’ Vanessa blurted out,” The Times reported.

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nines09  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:46:50pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

Once completed……..
Ahh..
fugit

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:48:40pm

re: #239 makeitstop

Sounds like the future former Mrs. Trump Jr. had the old man pegged from the get-go.

I mentioned this yesterday… Trump has been famous for being (rich? and) famous for pretty much my entire life (and I turn 40 this weekend). There is no way that she didn’t know who he was when he introduced himself.

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Kragar  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:51:06pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:53:39pm

re: #242 Kragar

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Whiter than a polar bear eating a mayo sandwich on white bread in a blizzard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:54:04pm
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:54:41pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

Whiter than a polar bear eating a mayo sandwich on white bread in a blizzard.

So white they’re translucent

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:57:10pm
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Jay C  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:57:11pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The right thing”?? Sure….
Hope old Ty doesn’t get his mustache caught in the shredder…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:58:57pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2018 • 3:59:09pm

re: #241 KGxvi

I mentioned this yesterday… Trump has been famous for being (rich? and) famous for pretty much my entire life (and I turn 40 this weekend). There is no way that she didn’t know who he was when he introduced himself.

You’re a Californian. She’s a New Yorker. Who you know may have some dependence on those facts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:04:19pm
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:08:28pm

re: #241 KGxvi

I mentioned this yesterday… Trump has been famous for being (rich? and) famous for pretty much my entire life (and I turn 40 this weekend). There is no way that she didn’t know who he was when he introduced himself.

It’s not that she didn’t recognize Trump, it’s that she didn’t recognize Jr. immediately.

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nines09  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:09:26pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

You’re a Californian. She’s a New Yorker. Who you know may have some dependence on those facts.

And more to the point; Who you don’t know. Or listen to. Or think.
Why he fell from the sky! It’s a motherfucking miracle! We’s gonna be greats agains!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:10:40pm

***BLINK***

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:12:45pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s not the guy I want carrying the gun.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:14:11pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:16:42pm

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If it were real dude making a point could have killed and injured several before clone dude making a point could react. And clone dude would probably kill one or two inadvertently. Great job, dude.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:16:48pm
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:17:35pm

Stories from DK Land:

The NRA is starting to feel the pressure. The following advocates for ‘red flags’ warnings to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people:

Chris W. Cox- We need to stop dangerous people before they act

Note who’s not the speaker in this video.

——

GOP leadership is calling out Republicans in the house who they claim are running campaigns that will get them voted out. Here’s the list of Republicans, with Trump’s winning percentage next to them:

IL-12: Mike Bost (55-40)
MI-07: Tim Wahlberg (56-39)
MI-08: Mike Bishop (51-44)
NC-09: Robert Pittenger (54-43)
NC-13: Ted Budd (53-44)
VA-05: Tom Garrett (53-42)
VA-07: Dave Brat (51-44)
WI-06: Glenn Grothman (56-39)

——

Russia has hacked our energy grid, though companies have pushed them out:

U.S. national security officials said the FBI, the Homeland Security Department and American intelligence agencies determined that Russian intelligence and others were behind the attacks on the energy sector. The officials said the Russians deliberately chose U.S. energy industry targets, obtaining access to computer systems and then conducting “network reconnaissance” of industrial control systems that run American factories and the electricity grid.

The U.S. government has helped energy businesses kick out the Russians from all systems currently known to have been penetrated, according to the officials. The officials, who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive national security information, left open the possibility of discovering more breaches, and said the federal government was issuing an alert to the energy industry to raise awareness about the threat and improve preparation.

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whitebeach  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:18:33pm

re: #184 KGxvi

What I keep trying to figure out is the math on this part:

Unemployment is under 5% (historically meaning “full” employment); manufacturing only makes up about 12% of the economy, as we’ve shifted to a service based economy; so where are we going to get workers to do those manufacturing jobs? Especially if we are cutting legal immigration to 1910 levels.

Come on, you know the answer: The workers to do those manufacturing jobs are being built right now in Japanese robotics facilities.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:18:38pm

re: #254 Skip Intro

He’s not the guy I want carrying the gun.

He can carry the snapping turtle. No box, bare hands.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:21:21pm

I tried to watch Chris Matthews. I really did. I knew better though.
Lasted about 5 minutes.

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whitebeach  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:21:56pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

He can carry the snapping turtle. No box, bare hands.

Nah, don’t be so harsh. I’m cool with letting him carry the snapping turtle in a cross-draw holster.

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whitebeach  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:25:19pm

re: #174 Belafon

In Royse City a couple of years ago, a truck driver had a heart attack. Video from a car well behind the truck showed someone driving a van that masterfully swerved and avoided getting hit or hitting the truck. Whoever drove it should be driving getaway vehicles. It was worthy of a Mr. and Mrs. Smith remake.

Interesting anecdote, which, however, neglects the possibility that the person in the van was, in fact, driving a getaway vehicle.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:26:26pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

***BLINK***

It’s Idaho. I live here. Yes, they can be that clueless.

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A Cranky One  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:27:23pm

re: #262 whitebeach

Nah, don’t be so harsh. I’m cool with letting him carry the snapping turtle in a cross-draw holster.

Holster? Nah, he should carry the snapping turtle like this:

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:29:54pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:30:34pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:30:46pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:32:19pm

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Bubblehead II  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:32:35pm

Night Lizards. See you in th A.M.

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teleskiguy  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:34:13pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:36:10pm

re: #143 lawhawk

All of that may be worth examining down the road, but the likely cause is an engineering failure or a mechanical failure.

I’m expecting to hear that it was a failure of tension rods within the prestressed concrete that was erected, or that they needed to make sure that the cable stays were in place before they allowed traffic below the structure - because the ultimate design was meant to be a cable stayed structure.

My post violated a rule I learned years ago: whenever there is a tragedy, the initial reports are almost invariably wrong or misleading. One should wait a few hours? or at least a day before accepting the stories in the media.

That said, if the report about the stress test is true (and there is a real chance it isn’t), it is slightly reminiscent of the Chernobyl disaster. The Soviet workers took key equipment offline to run tests, nobody in power thought that might not be wise, and a catastrophe ensued, far worse than this tragedy.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:40:36pm

re: #269 gocart mozart

The problem with that report is this: they think Trump cares about following the law, and that anybody in the current Congress will hold Trump accountable.

Without accountability, Trump can do pretty much anything as long as his sycophantic underlings do his bidding.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:41:25pm

As proof that Congress as it is now constituted will not hold Trump accountable, I give the recent closing of the investigation in the House committee under Nunes.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:46:03pm

oops

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:51:55pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

oops

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And that was ok with Trump, but it was at a Native American casino. /////

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:52:46pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

Gee, gambling opens one up to blackmail?

I wonder what owning a casino shall bring?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:54:18pm
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Sea Mexican!  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:54:28pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

oops

Under any other administration, this should question the well being of the remaining WH members.

Under Trump, I’m surprised he was fired for something almost benign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:55:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:56:21pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:57:18pm

“The government should be run by a businessman who knows how to run a company!”: he’s driven several into the ground already and now we’re all his unwilling customers.

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 4:59:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:00:06pm
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jeffreyw  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:00:18pm

re: #258 Belafon

Mike Bost (R)is the rep for my district. Pretty much a Dem voting district since I was in high school till he got in a couple of cycles ago.. I’d love to see him lose. Fellow named Kelly will give him a good run.

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gwangung  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:00:59pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Secretary Zinke forgets the failure mode of clever is asshole.

And his remark was several orders of magnitude too small to get within even hailing distance of clever.

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Sea Mexican!  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:01:42pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

Yes, for his loan sharks to stay away. /

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:01:53pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Well, if reports are true, the company has connections to Manafort and maybe the Trump Organization. So yes, he may actually be praying.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:04:04pm

Living his best NCAA bracket, corruption free life!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:04:07pm

Wait! Wait! I know this one!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:05:54pm

re: #286 gwangung

Secretary Zinke forgets the failure mode of clever is asshole.

And his remark was several orders of magnitude too small to get within even hailing distance of clever.

David St. Hubbins: It’s such a fine line between stupid, and uh…
Nigel Tufnel: Clever.
David St. Hubbins: Yeah, and clever.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:11:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:11:39pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

does anyone believe that he even wrote that tweet?

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:11:39pm

re: #267 gocart mozart

Spot on. That’s some article. I highly recommended reading it.

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stpaulbear  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:12:14pm

re: #46 calochortus

Can anyone explain how “good Christians” can sit at the right hand of the Father, rejoicing while their friends and relatives are suffering in Hell?
(Rhetorical question)

These “good christians” are going to be pissed as hell if they don’t get to look down from heaven to watch the heathens roast for eternity. The only reason they even try to be “good” is so that they can judge others to be bad.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:12:48pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

I sense a trip to Mar-a-Grifto is in the making. Nice photo op on the way to play golf.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:13:09pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

does anyone believe that he even wrote that tweet?

No. Nothing self-congratulatory or awkwardly twisted to support his policy initiatives.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:14:16pm

re: #295 stpaulbear

These “good christians” are going to be pissed as hell if they don’t get to look down from heaven to watch the heathens roast for eternity. The only reason they even try to be “good” is so that they can judge others to be bad.

The problem with being an atheist and not believing in an afterlife is that you don’t get to tell all the believers you were right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:16:13pm
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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:16:48pm
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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:16:59pm

re: #295 stpaulbear

These “good christians” are going to be pissed as hell if they don’t get to look down from heaven to watch the heathens roast for eternity. The only reason they even try to be “good” is so that they can judge others to be bad.

In general yes, but as an example a relative who truly loved her parents, is terribly afraid they now in hell because they were non believers. She plans on spending a joyful eternity in heaven with her husband, and eventually her children, because they are all believers. Her mom and dad will be burning in hell. Sounds totally joyful to me. //

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Dizzy  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:18:02pm

Excellent!

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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:18:10pm

re: #292 bill d. (b.d.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:19:28pm
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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:20:11pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:22:40pm

re: #302 Dizzy

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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:25:05pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

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calochortus  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:25:19pm

Time for early dinner and then off to a meeting.
May we wake rested and refreshed tomorrow, and ready for a Friday news dump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:25:31pm
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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:27:38pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:27:45pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:27:48pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s a really pompous way to say “liar”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:29:00pm

re: #312 Skip Intro

That’s a really pompous way to say “liar”.

or just exceedingly polite…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:29:52pm
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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:30:35pm

re: #278 Stanley Sea

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:31:55pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

I miss both of those guys.

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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:32:33pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:37:28pm

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

No reason to be polite to Trump. He doesn’t deserve it.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:38:41pm

re: #316 Ace Rothstein

I miss both of those guys.

Humans you mean?

Yeah, me too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:39:26pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:40:23pm

re: #278 Stanley Sea


@ProPublica
Correction: Trump’s pick to head the CIA did not oversee waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah propub.li
5:42 PM - Mar 15, 2018

Correction: Trump’s Pick to Head CIA Did Not Oversee Waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah — ProPublica
ProPublica erred when it reported in 2017 that Gina Haspel was in charge of a secret prison in Thailand during the infamous interrogation of an al-Qaida suspect.
propublica.org

It is very troubling that such a report was published given its inaccuracy. At least it was corrected. It certainly colored my perception of a woman I previously had not heard of. The GOP is willing to recycle lies that have been proven; we get castigated as “fake news” for being mistaken even though the statements are corrected. We are held to a higher standard — they clearly are held to no standard. I don’t know how we deal with this unfair treatment.

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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:40:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:41:27pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:41:31pm

re: #316 Ace Rothstein

I miss both of these guys.

I never forgave GHWB for his appointment of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

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Sea Mexican!  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:41:52pm

re: #316 Ace Rothstein

I miss both of these guys.

One more than the other, of course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:43:48pm

re: #318 Skip Intro

No reason to be polite to Trump. He doesn’t deserve it.

well, they are Canadians.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:44:52pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:48:58pm

re: #273 freetoken

The problem with that report is this: they think Trump cares about following the law, and that anybody in the current Congress will hold Trump accountable.

Without accountability, Trump can do pretty much anything as long as his sycophantic underlings do his bidding.

The report states that there are about a dozen or so ways for Mueller to prevent his firing by going to the courts. One being that he can’t be fired for doing the investigation. I think the reason Cornyn, Grassley and the other Republicans are trying to get the IG to investigate the FBI is to find a reason, because Mueller refuses to screw up on his own.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:50:34pm
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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:51:39pm

re: #328 Belafon

Looking at this cynically, which is often the best course, the latest move by those four Senators is about saving their own skin. I really doubt they care about Trump.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:52:06pm

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:52:20pm

This is interesting.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:52:55pm
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:53:28pm

re: #330 freetoken

Looking at this cynically, which is often the best course, the latest move by those four Senators is about saving their own skin. I really doubt they care about Trump.

I wouldn’t be surprised at that. If I could find a way to get rid of Cornyn here in Texas, I would. He’s as slimy as the ones running the state.

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:53:46pm

re: #331 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

I still love Liz Phair. She is extraordinary.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:57:07pm

re: #334 Belafon

The farther out on the limb Republicans go for Trump, the more invested they are to find a way for his crime family not collapsing into a black hole and sucking all of the Republicans in.

As such, the latest move by those 4 Senators I see as a stalling tactic, a way to add a bit of noise into the system, in the hopes that the real crimes will be obfuscated enough that a lot of the political blowback gets so scattered around that any one or handful of Republicans in office aren’t targeted.

In other words, if Grassley can show that everybody is guilty of something, then he won’t be so accountable for letting a single person (Trump) escape.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:58:09pm

Yes, it’s him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:58:24pm
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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 5:58:33pm
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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:02:09pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:02:44pm

WaPo just reported that McMaster is out, now.

President Trump has decided to remove H.R. McMaster as his national security adviser and is actively discussing potential replacements, according to five people with knowledge of the plans, preparing to deliver yet another jolt to the senior ranks of his administration.


Trump is now comfortable with ousting McMaster, with whom he never personally gelled, but is willing to take time executing the move because he wants to ensure both that the three-star Army general is not humiliated and that there is a strong successor lined up, these people said.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:04:01pm

re: #341 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Forget the shoe, the entire Famous Footwear warehouse is dropping now.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:04:07pm

re: #340 lawhawk

Obviously life without coke isn’t much fun for Larry.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:04:33pm

re: #222 calochortus

It looks to me like that was half the bridge that was installed over the road, and the half that goes over the river wasn’t up yet? So some genius decided to put up the half of the bridge that goes over a busy road and then leave it there unsupported while they put up the other half, built the support tower, and then rigged all the support cables at the very end?

This looks like a real civil engineering brain fart. It reminds me of the time I had the genius idea of leak testing a newly installed pump arrangement by turning the pump on with the output blocked. Fortunately that pump was well made and its resulting disintegration took long enough that I was able to shut off the water before getting a face full of exploded pump shrapnel.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:04:42pm

re: #341 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Hello, porn stache.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:05:49pm

Anyone that thinks “the shit will hit the fan” if (when) Trump fires Mueller is not taking into account that for any shit to hit the fan, we’d need a Republican government that has morals.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:06:05pm

re: #341 Colère Tueur de Lapin

WaPo just reported that McMasters is out, now.

[trump] ONLY THE BEST PEOPLE [/trump]

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:06:23pm

re: #340 lawhawk

Not even wrong

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:06:39pm

Multiple outlets: McMaster is toast.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:07:04pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:07:11pm

If Mueller goes, there will literally be tens of millions in the streets, including myself.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:07:20pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:08:48pm

re: #351 gocart mozart

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I never did understand dressing up for a piece of dead cow.

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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:09:29pm
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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:09:37pm
Trump recently told White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly that he wants McMaster out and asked for help weighing replacement options, according to two people familiar with their conversations. The president has complained that McMaster is too rigid and that his briefings go on too long and seem irrelevant.

Must take up more than one page of 20 point type.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:11:00pm
Some in the White House have been reluctant to oust McMaster from his national security perch until he has a promotion to four-star rank or other comfortable landing spot. They are eager to show that someone can serve in the Trump administration without suffering severe damage to their reputation.

Well, good luck with that one.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:11:01pm

re: #349 lawhawk

As a regulator, I find this terrifying. My nihilistic side is munching popcorn waiting to see how far into the bedrock he can blast.

Your reasoning is sound, Lawhawk, get rid of any and all dissenters and he thinks he can keep his world view sound. This “plan” had better fail or we, as a nation, are fucked.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:11:12pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

Some ridiculous fraction of wealthy people got that way because they are corrupt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:11:29pm
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:12:07pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:13:36pm

re: #155 Belafon

Hopefully, he was distributing drugs. /////

I hope he’s better at distributing drugs than distributing loads!
///

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:14:43pm

Well, fucking awesome. We’re going to attack Iran if the porn stache gets the NSA gig.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:14:55pm

good grief

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:18:24pm

re: #341 Colère Tueur de Lapin

WaPo just reported that McMaster is out, now.

It’s not like Trump really cares about national security anyway.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:20:03pm

re: #352 Ace Rothstein

If Mueller goes, there will literally be tens of millions in the streets, including myself.

I marched in Washington against Vietnam. I would go to Washington for this if it’s possible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:21:41pm
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freetoken  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:22:22pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

“That is a determination that we would leave to Attorney General Sessions, but we do think it is well documented that he has had some very troubling behavior and by most accounts a bad actor”

SHS must be confusing McCabe with her brothers.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:23:21pm

re: #359 EPR-radar

Some ridiculous fraction of wealthy people got that way because they are corrupt.

Or because they inherited wealth, inordinately benefited from family connections, overwhelmingly conflate luck with merit and their egos demand they view everything they have as having been “earned.” They don’t think twice about gaming the system further in their favor because as long as they can argue that their rules apply in theory to everyone they don’t think that constitutes corruption even if the rules are designed to have disproportionately negative impact on the poor.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:24:20pm
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MsJ  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:24:46pm

re: #369 goddamnedfrank

Or because they inherited wealth, inordinately benefited from family connections, overwhelmingly conflate luck with merit and their egos demand they view everything they have as having been “earned.” They don’t think twice about gaming the system further in their favor because as long as they can argue that their rules apply in theory to everyone they don’t think that constitutes corruption even if the rules are designed to have disproportionate effect on the poor.

Well, there’s THAT.

Born on third…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:26:09pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:26:38pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

[Embedded content]

It takes being raised by Evangelical preacher/politician to be able to lie as easily as Sanders does.

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:27:39pm

Heh

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:28:37pm

re: #370 lawhawk

He will burn as much of it down as he can before we can get rid of him. It’s going to get a lot more troubling and dangerous.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:29:01pm

(Patti is running for Massie’s seat)

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:30:51pm

Rachel’s deep dive into the hacking of our power grid is scary af. We’re so damn vulnerable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:31:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:33:39pm
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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:35:22pm

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:36:06pm
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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:36:23pm

Lovely pic except for Clarence trying to be all smiley and in the mix.
I like to think that Clyburne is thinking, don’t touch us you weasel!

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:39:44pm

He loves all this chaos. Absolutely loves it.
He’s a sick, abusive man who will harm us all to stay entertained, in power and striving to fill his narcissistic hole.

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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:43:07pm

Nice thread here.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:43:39pm

re: #383 JordanRules

He loves all this chaos. Absolutely loves it.
He’s a sick, abusive man who will harm us all to stay entertained, in power and striving to fill his narcissistic hole.

And there are 62 million Americans who worship him and fill that narcissistic hole, including 51 Senators and 238 Congressmen.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:44:12pm

re: #383 JordanRules

He loves all this chaos. Absolutely loves it.
He’s a sick, abusive man who will harm us all to stay entertained, in power and striving to fill his narcissistic hole.

Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:45:37pm

re: #383 JordanRules

He loves all this chaos. Absolutely loves it.
He’s a sick, abusive man who will harm us all to stay entertained, in power and striving to fill his narcissistic hole.

He loves it because it focuses all the attention on him. Even his own son tried to steal the spotlight with his divorce, but Trump isn’t going to allow that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:46:10pm

Hey. It’s a legit question.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:47:12pm

FBI examining background of man who died in Beaver Dam apartment explosion

The man killed in an explosion in his apartment earlier this month was a 28-year-old technician at a local food company who had a background in chemistry.

Benjamin D. Morrow was identified through DNA analysis as the man who died in the March 5 explosion at Village Glen Apartments’ Building 109.

Officials have said they have no “known link to terrorism,” but the investigation continues and the FBI is in charge of it.

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JordanRules  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:49:21pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:49:24pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:49:39pm

re: #389 Amory Blaine

Explosive material was found in Morrow’s apartment and officials assume he was making bombs that accidentally exploded and killed him, according to sources who are not authorized to speak on the record because it is an ongoing investigation.

Federal agents are investigating Morrow’s history and possible connections with other people and groups, the sources said.

A native of Black Creek, Morrow had worked at Richelieu Foods in Beaver Dam for 10 months before his death, according to an obituary and his LinkedIn page. Morrow previously worked as a scientist at PPD Inc. in Madison, a research company specializing in drug development, from 2014 until last year.

He went to Pensacola Christian College in Florida, graduating in 2013 with a degree in pre-pharmacy and minors in chemistry and math. He was home-schooled before that and belonged to Victory Baptist Church in Appleton.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 15, 2018 • 6:52:06pm

re: #389 Amory Blaine

Apparently he missed “this is how to not blow yourself up” day in Chemistry.

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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 7:13:46pm

re: #391 Stanley Sea

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The Major  Mar 15, 2018 • 7:15:01pm

re: #392 Amory Blaine

He went to Pensacola Christian College in Florida, graduating in 2013 with a degree in pre-pharmacy and minors in chemistry and math. He was home-schooled before that and belonged to Victory Baptist Church in Appleton.

Now this should make you go - “hmmmm…..”

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meteor  Mar 15, 2018 • 7:30:45pm
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sagehen  Mar 16, 2018 • 2:36:28am

re: #322 The Major

Charlie Kirk

@charliekirk11
Can someone tell me why the @NRA is being blamed despite the FBI being warned twice, local police visiting Cruz over 20 times, and there being a police officer who stood idly by while the kill occurred?

Because the NRA lobbied against, and defeated, a proposed “red flag” law that would have allowed the FBI and/or local police to seize his guns after those reports and visits.


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