Chaos Watch! Head of Trump’s Legal Team Quits Because Trump Won’t Follow His Advice

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Today in White House Chaos Watch, Trump’s lead lawyer for the Robert Mueller investigation, John Dowd, bailed out because his former client is a reckless egomaniacal idiot who refuses to follow legal advice.

He didn’t say it quite like that, of course.

Mr. Dowd, who took over the president’s legal team last summer and considered leaving several times, ultimately concluded that Mr. Trump was ignoring his advice, a person briefed on the matter said.

“I love the president,” Mr. Dowd said in a telephone interview. “I wish him the best of luck. I think he has a really good case.”

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431 comments

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jaunte  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:32:20am
“I think he has a really good case.”

Brave Mr. Dowd.

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jaunte  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:34:05am

Uh huh.

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jaunte  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:34:30am
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:36:37am

re: #3 jaunte

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If Trump talks to Mueller he is dumber than I imagined; zero self-awareness. Does Trump actually believe he can bullshit Mueller?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:37:17am
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:38:29am
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jaunte  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:38:33am

The heavy shelling is beginning

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:39:59am
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:40:47am

re: #1 jaunte

Brave Mr. Dowd.

Bravely bold Sir Robin
Rode forth from Camelot.
He was not afraid to die,
Oh brave Sir Robin.
He was not at all afraid
To be killed in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin.
He was not in the least bit scared
To be mashed into a pulp.
Or to have his eyes gouged out,
And his elbows broken.
To have his kneecaps split
And his body burned away,
And his limbs all hacked and mangled
Brave Sir Robin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:42:04am

blech

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:44:30am
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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:44:31am

re: #4 Big Beautiful Door

If Trump talks to Mueller he is dumber than I imagined; zero self-awareness. Does Trump actually believe he can bullshit Mueller?

I think he does, yes. He probably thinks he has skated on so much in the past he can do it again. His stubborn arrogance will be his undoing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:45:47am
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S'latch  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:46:31am

“He has a really good case.”

Maybe he can get a good plea bargain.

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dangerman  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:47:05am

from the various posts at the end of downstairs regarding mississippi

from this morning’s electoral-vote.com

At the start of this election cycle, all but one of the incumbent Republican senators looked safe. Now four seats are in play, namely Nevada (Dean Heller), Arizona (Jeff Flake), Tennessee (Bob Corker), and Mississippi (Thad Cochran). And if John McCain steps down, another Arizona seat could join the list. If the Democrats can hold all of their own seats and win two of these, they will take control of the Senate. What originally looked impossible is now merely very difficult. When Trump was elected, people had certain expectations of what he would do (e.g., try to build a wall on the Mexican border). What absolutely no one expected was that he would manage to turn Tennessee, Alabama, and Mississippi into swing states.

i used restraint and just added some itals
i wanted to go overboard and bold the whole thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:48:01am
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gocart mozart  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:48:46am

Heh.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:48:53am

re: #7 jaunte

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The heavy shelling is beginning

Shock & Awe!

The war has begun…Operation Desert Trump.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:49:41am

re: #4 Big Beautiful Door

If Trump talks to Mueller he is dumber than I imagined; zero self-awareness. Does Trump actually believe he can bullshit Mueller?

Yes, Trump really does believe he can BS outta this.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:49:52am

re: #9 Scottish Dragon

Need some more Python for a Thursday

Monty python holy grail black knight all right we’ll call it a draw

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:49:59am

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The mysterious “they.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:50:00am
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Jay C  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:50:07am

re: #4 Big Beautiful Door

If Trump talks to Mueller he is dumber than I imagined; zero self-awareness. Does Trump actually believe he can bullshit Mueller?

Probably. Maybe Trump’s trying to enact the scenario where he goes into Mueller’s panel meeting, answers “I don’t know” or “I don’t remember” to a couple of hundred questions, then goes back to the WH to fire Mueller, and disband his investigation on the grounds that “all questions have been answered”.
And then rely on the Congressional GOP to provide cover for him: which of course, they are likely to do: huffy tough-talk from the likes of McCain, Graham or Corker completely notwithstanding.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:50:36am

re: #17 gocart mozart

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Sideshow Bob vs rakes

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Charles Johnson  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:51:34am
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Weaselone  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:51:36am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. Those super weapons are impressive. Why are they all graphics as opposed to images of actual weapons?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:51:49am
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freetoken  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:52:03am

America as a theocracy-in-waiting:

Dems Need Viable Candidates to Catch Blue Wave

[…]

Lt. Gov. Randy McNally called Jordan the “most dangerous candidate” he’s seen in 40 years of politics, not because she’s an atheist but because she tries to help people get over religion. Tennessee Republican Party Chairman Scott Golden pounced as well, trying to use Jordan to attack Democratic gubernatorial candidates Karl Dean and Rep. Craig Fitzhugh.

The party sent out mailers with quotes from Jordan saying stuff like “God is such a bad God. The sacrifice of Jesus is such a bad concept,” etc., in addition to one showing Jordan officiating a marriage between two men. The men featured in the ad have since threatened to file a lawsuit against Republicans for violating their privacy.

[…]

“It was already a tough district, and coupled with the fact she was an atheist, she didn’t have a prayer,” Syler says.

[…]

Blackburn comments at a Reeves rally: “If you want to make certain that you have got a state senator that understands the difference between evolution and creationism and is going to stand with you in those conservative Tennessee values, you want Shane Reeves.”

[…]

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:52:12am

re: #18 ObserverArt

Shock & Awe!

The war has begun…Operation Desert Trump.

Begun the Trump War has.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:53:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:54:43am

still a moron.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:55:51am

Jones was a last minute replacement for Amy Fisher whose parole agreement blocked her from participating.

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Jay C  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:55:56am

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron.

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Actually, that’s the smartest quote I’ve ever heard from Trump….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:56:32am

please proceed…

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:56:36am

re: #4 Big Beautiful Door

If Trump talks to Mueller he is dumber than I imagined; zero self-awareness. Does Trump actually believe he can bullshit Mueller?

Yes.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:58:37am

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

Yes.

I think we all expect Trump to be brought down by his own arrogance. This is obviously a tragic story where a deeply flawed man destroys himself and those around him due to his own narcissism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:58:42am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

For those sweet petro-roubles from Russia for Exxon.

Friend of the Russian Federation and all.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:59:10am

hilarious!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:59:11am
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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 11:59:53am

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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please proceed…

I’ve got the best assholes!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:00:56pm

re: #27 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump on 2018 GOP: “They say a lot of [my popularity] is not transferable. They all like me, they all vote for me, and they say I’m going to great in 2020. But I hope it is transferable.”

A lot of Trump supporters are people who simply hate politicians and politics as usual. The GOP made a pact with the devil to use DT to motivate the base to get out and carry the key EC states. They won, but now the Devil is about to call in his end of the bargain.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:02:30pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Make drugs non-addictive…beep…bop…boop…done.

I’m like, smart!

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:02:46pm

re: #4 Big Beautiful Door

If Trump talks to Mueller he is dumber than I imagined; zero self-awareness. Does Trump actually believe he can bullshit Mueller?

I really think he does believe that.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:04:06pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you make marijuana legal, then you can’t prosecute browns for having it. And won’t you think of the drug company’s profits?

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unproven innocence  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:04:07pm

Probably on-topic:
Trump slaps China with tariffs on up to $60 billion in imports: ‘This is the first of many’

* President Donald Trump targets China with up to $60 billion in Chinese imports.
* The Trump administration says China’s trade practices involve stealing American companies’ intellectual property.
* China recently argued that it should not be punished if it doesn’t want to buy what the U.S. is selling.

Anxiously waiting China’s demands for retroactive back-royalties on gunpowder and rocket technologies. And writing. And parades. And calendars. On a client-by-client basis, of course.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:05:15pm

re: #45 unproven innocence

Probably on-topic:
Trump slaps China with tariffs on up to $60 billion in imports: ‘This is the first of many’

Anxiously waiting China’s demands for retroactive back-royalties on gunpowder and rocket technologies. And writing. And parades. And calendars. On a client-by-client basis, of course.

awaiting China to start dumping all the US treasury notes that it owns and turning to other trade partners

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:05:36pm
“I love the president,” Mr. Dowd said in a telephone interview. “I wish him the best of luck. I think he has a really good case.”

Translated for lawyerese:

He was paying his bills. I wish him the best of luck, he’s going to need it since he won’t listen to counsel. If he’d just shut the fuck up, we probably could have convinced the investigators that there wasn’t enough there to move forward with criminal charges, but the guy just won’t shut the fuck up long enough to let me do my fucking job.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:05:44pm

Jim Bakker says he thinks Arlington National Cemetery will be stripped of crosses. (Goes to Utah Outcasts, NSFW for language, (12:56), with clips from Bakker).

Jim Bakker Thinks Arlington Will Be Stripped of Crosses

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:07:50pm

re: #44 Belafon

If you make marijuana legal, then you can’t prosecute browns for having it. And won’t you think of the drug company’s profits?

Yeah, but if you don’t think the tobacco companies wouldn’t jump on that new market…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:08:55pm

Consider this: Donald Trump actually believes he is smarter than Robert Mueller.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:09:02pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

Night of the Living Brain Dead…

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:09:11pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Make drugs non-addictive…beep…bop…boop…done.

I’m like, smart!

Is the VA a drug pusher and its head to be executed because they give (!) not sell me addictive drugs for my epilepsy?

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:09:41pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump prepares for war with Mueller, sources say he’s expected to add diGenova’s wife Victoria Toensing to legal team.

The Wingnut A Team has arrived.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:09:54pm

re: #45 unproven innocence

Probably on-topic:
Trump slaps China with tariffs on up to $60 billion in imports: ‘This is the first of many’

Anxiously waiting China’s demands for retroactive back-royalties on gunpowder and rocket technologies. And writing. And parades. And calendars. On a client-by-client basis, of course.

China has a long history of ignoring international law on intellectual property. Tariffs like this is something that pop up about once a decade or so.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:10:42pm

re: #32 Ace-o-aces

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Jones was a last minute replacement for Amy Fisher whose parole agreement blocked her from participating.

IIRC, Jones had recently had a nose job, paid for by the remnants of her settlement from Bill Clinton, after the lawyers took their cut. She spent the bout running away from Harding, to protect that investment.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:12:36pm

re: #53 makeitstop

The Wingnut A Team has arrived.

Most Likely Trump: “The diGenovas tell me what I want to hear. That’s good lawyering that represents me, not themselves.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:13:02pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:13:47pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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please proceed…

I remember when both of those clowns were the lynch mob leaders in the Bill Clinton Penis Hunt!

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:14:12pm

The one good piece of news coverage I heard this morning - CBS News makes a point of saying that DiGenova has stated that Trump is being framed by the FBI and CIA.

I can imagine Joe Average News Consumer thinking ‘WTF?’

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unproven innocence  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:15:14pm

[trump]
We’re going to build the biggest grandest wall ever, and China is going to pay for it.
[/trump]

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dangerman  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:16:26pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Make drugs non-addictive…beep…bop…boop…done.

I’m like, smart!

YouTube

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:16:45pm

This is the reasoning of insane people.

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dangerman  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:18:20pm

re: #45 unproven innocence

Probably on-topic:
Trump slaps China with tariffs on up to $60 billion in imports: ‘This is the first of many’

Anxiously waiting China’s demands for retroactive back-royalties on gunpowder and rocket technologies. And writing. And parades. And calendars. On a client-by-client basis, of course.

How’s a tariff gonna help this:?
* The Trump administration says China’s trade practices involve stealing American companies’ intellectual property

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:18:57pm

re: #62 makeitstop

Or, hear me out, the back channel was necessary because as president-elect all of Trump’s communications with foreign leaders would typically run through the State and/or Defense Department. Whereas candidate Trump didn’t have to worry about such things as running the federal government.

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:19:01pm

re: #62 makeitstop

This is the reasoning of insane people.

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Upon a second read - wasn’t it Kushner who tried setting up the back channel, and not Russians?

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:19:19pm

re: #59 makeitstop

The one good piece of news coverage I heard this morning - CBS News makes a point of saying that DiGenova has stated that Trump is being framed by the FBI and CIA.

I can imagine Joe Average News Consumer thinking ‘WTF?’

The Sensational Alex Harvey Band framed live 1974

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:19:49pm

re: #49 KGxvi

Yeah, but if you don’t think the tobacco companies wouldn’t jump on that new market…

I remember a bad novel in the 70’s or 80’s on that topic. One big thread was developing filters that could stand up to being passed around ;) I’d also think they have to be different dimensions - as much tobacco as is in one cig is a whole lot of mary jane.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:23:17pm

re: #67 William Lewis

I remember a bad novel in the 70’s or 80’s on that topic. One big thread was developing filters that could stand up to being passed around ;) I’d also think they have to be different dimensions - as much tobacco as is in one cig is a whole lot of mary jane.

I’m just thinking in terms of industrial growing and distribution. They wouldn’t even have to bother with packaging it for consumer use.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:25:07pm

Note the same religious wingnuts screaming about atheists taking their right to mark public land with their religious symbols forced religious speech into Pat Tillman’s funeral (including Sen. John McCain).

However, responding to religious overtones at the funeral by Maria Shriver and John McCain, his youngest brother, Richard, asserted that “Just make no mistake, he’d want me to say this: He’s not with God, he’s fucking dead—he’s not religious.”

en.wikipedia.org

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:27:13pm

re: #62 makeitstop

This is the reasoning of insane people.

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Is that part of some Republican reasoning for no need for an investigation?

That is some fantastical thinking…it will go over so well with the vastly informed Fox viewer crowd.

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dangerman  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:28:11pm

for your dining and dancing pleasure:

Stuart Stevens via Twitter on political-wire.com:

“Every job process involving this White House quickly slides into contest of who is most willing to degrade themselves the most for a job they will later be ashamed of holding. It’s why the available talent pool is so limited.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:29:56pm

re: #65 makeitstop

Upon a second read - wasn’t it Kushner who tried setting up the back channel, and not Russians?

Splitin’ hairs…means nothing…a small matter really…what is the difference, the Russians were just setting us up to bring us down later…something!?

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Kragar  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:33:02pm

Expect this to be challenged in court almost immediately

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:34:39pm

re: #71 dangerman

“Every job process involving this White House quickly slides into contest of who is most willing to degrade themselves the most for a job they will later be ashamed of holding. It’s why the available talent pool is so limited.”

They like to call it “Deep State”, but basically they forget that truly qualified professionals tend to plan on their career lasting more than one administration. They are there to serve the government and the country, not just the current C-in-C.

Government apparatus is built on that principle, which is not any sort of principle that DT has ever known or tried to work with.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:35:53pm

re: #62 makeitstop

This is the reasoning of insane people.

No, it’s the reasoning of the religion of conservatism. Anything to gain or maintain power. Overt lies or contradictions which serve to advance that cause are acceptable.

Betcha the press doesn’t call it out. Journalists on Twitter don’t count. It needs to be in the papers and television and radio or they are just covering for IOKIYAR.

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unproven innocence  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:37:07pm

re: #63 dangerman

How’s a tariff gonna help this:?
* The Trump administration says China’s trade practices involve stealing American companies’ intellectual property

I’m aware of the intellectual property issues, on a personal level. About 2002, a new co-worker and a newish manager took my employer’s only working prototype of a new scientific instrument to a trade show in China. They returned in about 10 days, but China kept our prototype for over 6 months.

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:38:01pm

re: #66 ObserverArt

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I cannot upding SAHB enough. That was one great band.

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:39:13pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

Is that part of some Republican reasoning for no need for an investigation?

That is some fantastical thinking…it will go over so well with the vastly informed Fox viewer crowd.

Part of the final House committee report.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:39:22pm

re: #76 unproven innocence

I’m aware of the intellectual property issues, on a personal level. About 2002, a new co-worker and a newish manager took my employer’s only working prototype of a new scientific instrument to a trade show in China. They returned in about 10 days, but China kept our prototype for over 6 months.

The most famous example was the German monorail: the Chinese let the Germans build a “test stretch” between Shanghai and the airport and then cancelled the project and built one of their own based on the design.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:40:04pm

Mueller is the bridge keeper and Trump is Sir Robin.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail: 3 Questions

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BeachDem  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:40:28pm

JFC


According to Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman, the president plans to add Victoria Toensing, who is the wife of recently hired lawyer Joseph diGenova, to his legal team.

I’ll yield to Charles P. Pierce:

Back 20 years ago, diGenova and his wife, a lawyer named Victoria Toensing, were regulars on the then-nascent political gab circuit…diGenova’s wife, the aforementioned Ms. Toensing, is working these days at laying a few more whacks into the dead horse that is Uranium One. In the pairs competition, they earlier promoted the notion that the Obama administration was threatening witnesses in the endless Benghazi investigation…Now we have the Whitewater Undead staggering out of the ancient crypts of cable news and back abroad in our politics again. Somebody should ring the green rooms with garlic.

esquire.com

I well remember Victoria being even more odious than Joe. Ugh

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:41:03pm

Dow down 640 now.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:43:10pm

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They like to call it “Deep State”, but basically they forget that truly qualified professionals tend to plan on their career lasting more than one administration. They are there to serve the government and the country, not just the current C-in-C.

Government apparatus is built on that principle, which is not any sort of principle that DT has ever known or tried to work with.

Also the very term “Deep State” comes from Turkey - derin devlet is the Turkish term. It originated in Turkey in the 1990s, when the Turkish military was colluding with drug traffickers, hit men and other dubious groups to wage a rather ruthless dirty war against Kurdish insurgents, usually the PKK and their affiliated groups.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:45:08pm

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

Also the very term “Deep State” comes from Turkey - derin devlet is the Turkish term. It originated in Turkey in the 1990s, when the Turkish military was colluding with drug traffickers, hit men and other dubious groups to wage a rather ruthless dirty war against Kurdish insurgents, usually the PKK and their affiliated groups.

It is just a buzzword invented by RW pundits to explain why the entire US government did not just cash in its entire sense of ethics and abandon its established procedures in order to cooperate with Trump’s sense of how to run things there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:46:03pm

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

Dow down 640 now.

Looking at the chart, you can see what the combination of Facebook/Cambridge Analytica followed by Trump’s tariff announcement did.

I wonder if he’s going to claim credit for the stock market’s performance this week? /s

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blueraven  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:47:42pm

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

Dow down 640 now.

740!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:47:51pm

re: #65 makeitstop

Upon a second read - wasn’t it Kushner who tried setting up the back channel, and not Russians?

that’s what the Russians want us to believe….

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:49:15pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

that’s what the Russians want us to believe….

And their enablers, the GOP

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Sir John Barron  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:49:36pm

re: #81 BeachDem

JFC


According to Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman, the president plans to add Victoria Toensing, who is the wife of recently hired lawyer Joseph diGenova, to his legal team.

I’ll yield to Charles P. Pierce:

Back 20 years ago, diGenova and his wife, a lawyer named Victoria Toensing, were regulars on the then-nascent political gab circuit…diGenova’s wife, the aforementioned Ms. Toensing, is working these days at laying a few more whacks into the dead horse that is Uranium One. In the pairs competition, they earlier promoted the notion that the Obama administration was threatening witnesses in the endless Benghazi investigation…Now we have the Whitewater Undead staggering out of the ancient crypts of cable news and back abroad in our politics again. Somebody should ring the green rooms with garlic.

esquire.com

I well remember Victoria being even more odious than Joe. Ugh

Maybe they’ll call for a fourth or fifth special counsel to investigate Whitewater, Chappaquiddick, the Kennedy assassination and the Democrat coverup of the Real Watergate Crimes.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:52:45pm

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is just a buzzword invented by RW pundits to explain why the entire US government did not just cash in its entire sense of ethics and abandon its established procedures in order to cooperate with Trump’s sense of how to run things there.

Certainly in its American incarnation.

There was something of a “deep state” in Turkey back in the day, albeit highly organized and institutionalized. It was part of Gladio - special forces known as the Special Warfare Department (Özel Harp Dairesi, or ÖHD). Basically it was designed as a stay-behind resistance force in the event of a Soviet invasion.

By all accounts, they became quite a pain in the ass and were mixed up in all sorts of shady business, like alleged involvement with the Grey Wolves, a notoriously fanatical Turkish nationalist group.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:53:04pm

We don’t have to send an assassin back in time to get rid of Trump. We just have to sent him back 46 years to talk to himself. And maybe 25 year old Trump will look at 71 year old Trump and have a “Come To Jesus” moment, seeing what a lardassed buffoon he becomes. Or 2018 Trump might see what he used to be, realize what he’s become, and give up.

Sadly, I think the REAL exchange would go like this:

T@71: Hey, Kid!
T@25: Jesus! Who is this fat old man with the silly haircut?
T@71: I’m you, but in 50 years!
T@25: Jesus! I get that fat?
T@71: Hey, don’t worry about that! I’m still banging porn stars and Playboy centerfolds!
T@25: Yeah, but…I dunno….
T@71: Listen! This is important! Whatever you do, DON’T run for President! The job’s no fun and everybody hates you.
T@25: Wait - I become President? COOL!!!
T@71: Uh, no - not so much.
T@25: Wow, President Trump! Who’d have thought that could happen?
T@71: No, you’re not listening! I said DON’T DO IT!
T@25: Does my Dad finally love me?
T@71: I dunno. He’s already dead.
T@25: EVEN BETTER!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:53:08pm

re: #89 Sir John Barron

Maybe they’ll call for a fourth or fifth special counsel to investigate Whitewater, Chappaquiddick, the Kennedy assassination and the Democrat coverup of the Real Watergate Crimes.

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Don’t forget the Lincoln Assassination.

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freetoken  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:53:10pm

Yesterday’s news:

Tallahassee white supremacist taken away in handcuffs after FBI search

[…]

After Nikolas Cruz opened fire inside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Feb. 14, killing 17 people, Jereb said Cruz had done paramilitary training with the white nationalist group Jereb leads.

[…]

While the Parkland shooting has gotten quite a bit of attention, the underlying motivation has been skirted, especially by the gun-nut loving Trump and his cohorts.

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Kragar  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:53:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:55:26pm

re: #94 Kragar

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Kill me. Kill me now.

Kill me….
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Ace-o-aces  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:55:32pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:56:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:57:25pm

re: #94 Kragar

Over/under on a war with Iran?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:57:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:58:06pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sessions, Jeff.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:58:18pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Note the same religious wingnuts screaming about atheists taking their right to mark public land with their religious symbols forced religious speech into Pat Tillman’s funeral (including Sen. John McCain).

en.wikipedia.org

I’ve given explicit instructions to my brother and daughter to keep religious appeals out of my funeral. They can still pass the plate if they like, but that’s it.

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lawhawk  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:58:36pm

re: #7 jaunte

Stormy doesn’t take prisoners. And her social media game is top notch:

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Jay C  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:59:18pm

Looks like the Dow is bottoming out around or just under the 24,000 level: which seems to be (?) a floor.
ABout 10% off the year’s high

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darthstar  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:59:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:59:35pm

re: #101 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve given explicit instructions to my brother and daughter to keep religious appeals out of my funeral. They can still pass the plate if they like, but that’s it.

I have explicit instructions in my will, and have told my wife, mother, and sister the same.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 12:59:47pm

rand is upset:

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:01:00pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

rand is upset:

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glad I’m not his neighbor.

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dangerman  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:01:42pm

re: #96 Ace-o-aces

Mr. President, do not talk with the Special Prosecutor. It is a political circus to denigrate you. It is their circus, not yours. Absolutely ignore their nonsense and continue executing the agenda we admire. You are saving this nation. Keep it up. foxnews.com

Nice try Jimmy, but I’m afraid that while Trump has the right to remain silent, he lacks the ability.

trump getting legal advice from a guy who, not in real life mind you, but played one on tv and in the movies

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:01:46pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

Science is wasteful. $6B is considerably less than a government shutdown, or less than a day’s operating cost of the DOD.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:02:35pm

*snerk* (wondering just who he might have in mind…whistling…)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:02:44pm

Ya know, the idea of testing autonomous vehicles in real traffic with test drivers ready to take over at any moment SOUNDS good, till you realize that there are so many drivers out there who are already distracted even when they’re the ones driving.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:02:50pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

rand is upset:

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You mean Reagan who spent billions, Rand?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:03:36pm

re: #108 dangerman

trump getting legal advice from a guy who, not in real life mind you, but played one on tv and in the movies

but probably did not sleep at a Holiday Inn Express, so that reduces his credibility.

(I crack myself up…)

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lawhawk  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:04:33pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Imagine the investigative journalism team if they had the money they saved by not paying for a couple of their right wing opinionists on the op-ed page.

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Jay C  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:06:34pm

Looks like the stock markets are going to close the day down about 2.5-3 % on the day. Dow closes 23,958.86 - down 723.45 (2.93%)

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lawhawk  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:06:44pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:07:14pm

re: #94 Kragar

His mustache reached the room 10 minutes before the rest of the body.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:07:52pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, the idea of testing autonomous vehicles in real traffic with test drivers ready to take over at any moment SOUNDS good, till you realize that there are so many drivers out there who are already distracted even when they’re the ones driving.

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When you’re not actually driving, it’s hard, or even impossible, to stay focused enough to take over in an instant when the automation fails.

In the case of the person who darted in front of a self-driving Uber, a human driver would have run them over too, so having a meatbag on board seems to be just to calm fearful people.

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freetoken  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:07:59pm

re: #116 lawhawk

Remember, Rand and his father are members of the whacko creationist group that bills itself as a doctors group but isn’t much more than a front for atavism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:08:04pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:08:14pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, the idea of testing autonomous vehicles in real traffic with test drivers ready to take over at any moment SOUNDS good, till you realize that there are so many drivers out there who are already distracted even when they’re the ones driving.

As I commented on Unshaken Defiance’s article in the right hand column of LGF Link which argues we should be ashamed of bashing self-driving cars over one death, there are two problems with that:

How many self-driving cars in Arizona versus total cars?
Google has already had a number of accidents with self-driving cars.

I will not be ashamed of looking sideways at technology that is not yet ready (the cars are sold on the idea that these things won’t happen). See also Facebook.

And the woman who was killed in Arizona could have been detected if that test had been done on a track (without using a real person). She died so Uber could make a profit, nothing more.

I am opposed to using the public highways as a test-bed.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:12:07pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, the idea of testing autonomous vehicles in real traffic with test drivers ready to take over at any moment SOUNDS good, till you realize that there are so many drivers out there who are already distracted even when they’re the ones driving.

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The whole point of self driving cars is so that we can be distracted while in the car.

Also, I am not a fan of self driving cars, but I think that’s because I’m part of that dying breed that actually enjoys driving. Nothing better than a six speed V-8, a full tank of gas, and a road with just enough curves to keep your attention.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:13:10pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Law & Crime ✔
@lawcrimenews
Federal Judge Demands Trump Turn Over Names of Transgender Ban Architects by Midnight bit.ly

3:45 PM - Mar 22, 2018

Damn. Trump is getting all kinds of correspondence from the courts this week.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:13:13pm

re: #118 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

When you’re not actually driving, it’s hard, or even impossible, to stay focused enough to take over in an instant when the automation fails.

In the case of the person who darted in front of a self-driving Uber, a human driver would have run them over too, so having a meatbag on board seems to be just to calm fearful people.

Those two statements are in opposition to each other.

Although it’s anecdotal, I’ve had dozens of children and adults dart out in front of me. I haven’t hit any. I did hit a deer, but that’s because it ran at the front of my car.

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blueraven  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:13:27pm

re: #102 lawhawk

Stormy doesn’t take prisoners. And her social media game is top notch:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:13:59pm

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

As I commented on Unshaken Defiance’s article in the right hand column of LGF Link which argues we should be ashamed of bashing self-driving cars over one death, there are two problems with that:

How many self-driving cars in Arizona versus total cars?
Google has already had a number of accidents with self-driving cars.

I will not be ashamed of looking sideways at technology that is not yet ready (the cars are sold on the idea that these things won’t happen). See also Facebook.

And the woman who was killed in Arizona could have been detected if that test had been done on a track (without using a real person). She died so Uber could make a profit, nothing more.

I am opposed to using the public highways as a test-bed.

Generally it’s a bad idea to make decisions based on an N of 1. I’d also point out that autonomous vehicles are extensively tested on tracks, but that testing only goes so far, and they’re trying to build vehicles that will be used in the real world, not on test tracks.

But I’d observe that my experience with robotics has been that mostly, they fall short of what you expect, because they humans they’re supposed to replace do a whole lot more in the course of whatever task is being automated than they realize.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:15:34pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

Generally it’s a bad idea to make decisions based on an N of 1. I’d also point out that autonomous vehicles are extensively tested on tracks, but that testing only goes so far, and they’re trying to build vehicles that will be used in the real world, not on test tracks.

But I’d observe that my experience with robotics has been that mostly, they fall short of what you expect, because they humans they’re supposed to replace do a whole lot more in the course of whatever task is being automated than they realize.

Hmm, how often do children or adults dart into traffic? Apparently they didn’t consider that worthy of testing on a track. They used a public road, and killed someone.

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darthstar  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:15:37pm

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freetoken  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:15:37pm

Creationists being obvious about dropping their pretense about education:

A creationist resolution in Louisiana

Senate Resolution 33 (PDF), introduced in the Louisiana Senate on March 20, 2018, would, if passed, commend a former state senator “on his support and endorsement of teaching creationism in public schools.”

[…]

The chief sponsor of the resolution is John Milkovich (D-District 38), who was the most outspoken opponent of the most recent effort to repeal the Balanced Treatment Act, according to the Associated Press (March 29, 2016).

Yes, he’s a Democrat who as much of a gun-toting, Bible-beating wingnut that you’ll find.

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lawhawk  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:15:58pm

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

I am opposed to using the public highways as a test-bed.

At some point all technology advances with motor vehicles gets put out on to public highways for real world testing.

For instance, cruise control, seat belts, crumple zones, airbags (front, passenger, side, etc.), lane divergence warnings (Eyesight on Subarus for instance), adaptive cruise control, lane correction (active steering), self parking, etc.

The thing is that we still have to figure out as a society who is responsible for when things go wrong with the tech: the automaker when the tech fails to prevent an accident, or the human “driver” who was at the “wheel”. You know that the manufacturers are going to want it to be on the owner of the vehicle, because that opens up huge liability over time to the manufacturer.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:17:03pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

*snerk* (wondering just who he might have in mind…whistling…)

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“what’s her name…”

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:17:29pm

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

Those two statements are in opposition to each other.

Although it’s anecdotal, I’ve had dozens of children and adults dart out in front of me. I haven’t hit any. I did hit a deer, but that’s because it ran at the front of my car.

From the interwebs:

In 2015, 5,376 pedestrians were killed in traffic crashes in the United States. This averages to one crash-related pedestrian death every 1.6 hours.Aug 9, 2017

And the comments are not in opposition. The point was that the human in the car was useless. The person who jumped in front of the car would have gotten killed even if a human was driving.

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lawhawk  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:18:40pm

re: #122 KGxvi

The whole point of self driving cars is so that we can be distracted while in the car.

It could actually mean that more cars can get on the road at the same time and drive more efficiently - think of the LIE or Santa Monica Freeway during rush hour with the stop/go traffic and a more efficient method where cars are all moving more smoothly because everyone is networked and the vehicle systems are aware of other vehicles and adapt to their speeds as well.

That it can also mean drivers can text and do other stuff (distracted from actually driving) is also a recognition that they’re already doing that and we want to get the driver out of that element, making the road safer for those around them.

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majii  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:19:02pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is a lying, secretive, dumbass bastard. His tweets indicate that there were discussions with others about banning transgender persons from serving in our military.
From the article you cited: “In a series of tweets penned and sent during the early morning hours of July 26, Trump proclaimed: “After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you”

The Dotard’s own tweet suggests there were meetings on the matter, and if there were meetings, there should be a paper trail or some sort of record, either audio or written. Good action on the part of Judge Pechman in citing his tweet as evidence to reject the WH claim that it has no information it can submit to the court. I detest dealing with lying, secretive, bastards. Trump’s memory isn’t good enough that he can tell a lie at 1:00 PM and remember it at 1:03 PM. By 1:03 PM, he’s forgotten the first lie he told three minutes earlier.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:19:24pm

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

Those two statements are in opposition to each other.

Although it’s anecdotal, I’ve had dozens of children and adults dart out in front of me. I haven’t hit any. I did hit a deer, but that’s because it ran at the front of my car.

I’d say they’re more independent of each other. It is true that focusing on driving, WHILE DRIVING is difficult enough, so focusing on driving while something else is driving is even more difficult.

It is also true that 6000 pedestrians are killed by non-autonomous vehicles every year, so clearly it’s not even close to possible for human drivers to always avoid hitting darting pedestrians.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:20:21pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dang it, I missed the students on Rachel. Gonna have to dig up the video of that at her site.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:20:34pm

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

Hmm, how often do children or adults dart into traffic? Apparently they didn’t consider that worthy of testing on a track. They used a public road, and killed someone.

Why do you presume they never tested that?

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:20:35pm
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Jay C  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:20:40pm

re: #134 majii

Trump’s memory isn’t good enough that he can tell a lie at 1:00 PM and remember it at 1:03 PM. By 1:03 PM, he’s forgotten the first lie he told three minutes earlier.

And by 1:15 PM, he’ll be denouncing it as “Fake News!!!!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:21:03pm

re: #130 lawhawk

At some point all technology advances with motor vehicles gets put out on to public highways for real world testing.

For instance, cruise control, seat belts, crumple zones, airbags (front, passenger, side, etc.), lane divergence warnings (Eyesight on Subarus for instance), adaptive cruise control, lane correction (active steering), self parking, etc.

The thing is that we still have to figure out as a society who is responsible for when things go wrong with the tech: the automaker when the tech fails to prevent an accident, or the human “driver” who was at the “wheel”. You know that the manufacturers are going to want it to be on the owner of the vehicle, because that opens up huge liability over time to the manufacturer.

All of which was extensively tested before being put on the public roads.

I have a high school education and I could devise a test for someone darting out in front of a car. How come all the libertarian genius sexual harassers at Uber couldn’t? I could also imagine that would need to be a thing to be tested. How come they couldn’t?

Liability will probably be settled in a lawsuit. She was hit with an experimental vehicle, the on-board driver of which failed to halt the car.

From a legal standpoint it will be an interesting case. From the victim’s standpoint, she’s still dead.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:21:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:22:55pm

re: #138 Ace-o-aces

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majii  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:23:24pm

re: #101 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“I’ve given explicit instructions to my brother and daughter to keep religious appeals out of my funeral.”

I’ve instructed my daughter and my brother that I want a graveside service. Even though I’m a Christian, and I was reared in the Baptist Church, I don’t want a church service. I left my church when my dad passed in 2001 and haven’t been back. I do attend services at other churches, but I’m no longer tied to one church because I no longer have much, if any, respect for organized religious congregations.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:24:53pm

I’ll try again:

re: #118 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

When you’re not actually driving, it’s hard, or even impossible, to stay focused enough to take over in an instant when the automation fails.

In the case of the person who darted in front of a self-driving Uber, a human driver would have run them over too, so having a meatbag on board seems to be just to calm fearful people.

The person in the car was not actually driving.

We don’t know what would have happened with a real driver (who could have done a number of things including brake or swerve or hit the horn).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:25:29pm
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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:26:10pm

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹

All of which was extensively tested before being put on the public roads.

I have a high school education and I could devise a test for someone darting out in front of a car. How come all the libertarian genius sexual harassers at Uber couldn’t? I could also imagine that would need to be a thing to be tested. How come they couldn’t?

Liability will probably be settled in a lawsuit. She was hit with an experimental vehicle, the on-board driver of which failed to halt the car.

From a legal standpoint it will be an interesting case. From the victim’s standpoint, she’s still dead.

I’m really curious: Why do you think those haven’t been tested?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:26:35pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:26:50pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Two Republicans filed a motion to impeach three justices yesterday, with eighteen co-sponsors. They do not need any Democrats to go through the whole process.

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lawhawk  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:27:17pm

Developing situation in Lower Manhattan. Reporter indicated hearing a loud bang, and now a significant emergency response in the vicinity of Liberty St. and Maiden Lane (about block from the Federal Reserve and a few minute walk from the WTC)

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cat-tikvah  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:27:27pm

From Divas of Democracy:

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:28:43pm

re: #146 Belafon

I’m really curious: Why do you think those haven’t been tested?

Well, dead pedestrian for one. Extreme rush to get these cars on the public streets and intensive lobbying of legislatures to allow it by libertarian tech bros for another.

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:28:43pm

re: #134 majii

The Dotard’s own tweet suggests there were meetings on the matter

He could very well have made the whole thing up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:29:02pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

I’ll try again:

The person in the car was not actually driving.

We don’t know what would have happened with a real driver (who could have done a number of things including brake or swerve or hit the horn).

I just watched the video. The pedestrian is not visible until a fraction of a second before impact. No lights, no reflectors, crossing a 40mph road in the dark, nowhere near a pedestrian crossing (indeed, that section of road has a big median strip where the accident happened).

I’m not willing to conclude that a human driver would have done any better or differently from the autonomous vehicle.

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Kragar  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:30:03pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:30:14pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

Well, dead pedestrian for one. Extreme rush to get these cars on the public streets and intensive lobbying of legislatures to allow it by libertarian tech bros for another.

Look, I’m not big on autonomous vehicles myself, but I think you’re making an unwarrantable assumption.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:32:19pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

Well, dead pedestrian for one. Extreme rush to get these cars on the public streets and intensive lobbying of legislatures to allow it by libertarian tech bros for another.

Well, my son, during the nine months we spent driving with his learner’s permit, learned to drive this one intersection, properly watching traffic and turning. It’s only a few blocks from home, so he did it a lot. Yet, a little over a month ago, he didn’t see a car in the far left lane and tried to merge with it. Luckily there was only a little damage.

And what about the nearly 5500 pedestrians that die each year due to humans in cars? Weren’t they tested?

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:32:30pm

re: #143 majii

“I’ve given explicit instructions to my brother and daughter to keep religious appeals out of my funeral.”

I’ve instructed my daughter and my brother that I want a graveside service. Even though I’m a Christian, and I was reared in the Baptist Church, I don’t want a church service. I left my church when my dad passed in 2001 and haven’t been back. I do attend services at other churches, but I’m no longer tied to one church because I no longer have much, if any, respect for organized religious congregations.

Well, hopefully I won’t have to worry about it too terribly soon, but though I’m religious and believe in God, I don’t believe in an afterlife. So for me the funeral is a wash. However for those friends and family that want/need it, I’ll have my church do a nice traditional high church Episcopalian mass of smells & bells with the classic language later at graveside of “earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust,” because that will be for them, not me.

If I have made a little money by then, I’ll pay for a small orchestra & choir to perform Faure’s Requim as the service music ;) No one would forget that one any time soon.

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lawhawk  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:35:26pm

re: #149 lawhawk

Manhole explosion. No serious injuries reported.

With all the salt put down to deal with recent snowstorms and ice, it gets into the underground electrical vaults and can cause shorts, including manhole explosions:

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:36:57pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

Look, I’m not big on autonomous vehicles myself, but I think you’re making an unwarrantable assumption.

Who’d’ve thought a psychology test on Facebook’s newsfeeds could swing an election in a country of 320,000,000 people?

I took a lot of crap for calling that out as suspicious at the time.

Yet here we are.

How long now has argument gone on about the Internet of Things and the crap that can be done with those devices?

I have no faith that Uber’s rapey business culture is any better.

I cannot find the video link? Anyone notice if the car honked the horn? Flashed the lights? Swerved or braked? If there was a two-second gap between the woman first coming into view and being hit, that’s a lot of time to do all those things.

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BeachDem  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:37:34pm

re: #122 KGxvi

The whole point of self driving cars is so that we can be distracted while in the car.

Also, I am not a fan of self driving cars, but I think that’s because I’m part of that dying breed that actually enjoys driving. Nothing better than a six speed V-8, a full tank of gas, and a road with just enough curves to keep your attention.

I have never even been a fan of cruise control. I remember when it first became popular and friends would drive with their legs crossed up on the seat. Drove me crazy (actually, drove me to be the driver.)

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majii  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:38:01pm

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

“How many self-driving cars in Arizona versus total cars?”

I’m glad you included this is your comment, AM, because I was reading on the Phoenix New Times site early this morning that a major reason driver-less car companies chose Arizona to test their cars is because Doug Ducey [R] made it easier for them by issuing lax technology rules. Based on my observation of right-wing pols, I’m thinking Ducey thought the lax rules would create some kind of business opportunity in Arizona, or he knows someone connected with companies that produce these cars.

“Uber is one of several companies testing semi-autonomous vehicles on the roads of Arizona, and the company said it came to the state specifically because of lax rules on the technology created by Governor Doug Ducey.”
phoenixnewtimes.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:39:04pm

re: #156 Belafon

Well, my son, during the nine months we spent driving with his learner’s permit, learned to drive this one intersection, properly watching traffic and turning. It’s only a few blocks from home, so he did it a lot. Yet, a little over a month ago, he didn’t see a car in the far left lane and tried to merge with it. Luckily there was only a little damage.

And what about the nearly 5500 pedestrians that die each year due to humans in cars? Weren’t they tested?

Fallacy of big/small numbers. How many driverless cars are on the road versus how many total cars? Google’s cars have been in a number of accidents too (though none fatal).

The point of these cars is they are sold to the public as “safer.”

You know what? If a corporation is selling an idea (Facebook will keep your data private), it is up to them to sell the idea to me, and not up to me to accept it uncritically.

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:39:30pm
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Jay C  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:40:08pm

re: #158 lawhawk

Manhole explosion. No serious injuries reported.

With all the salt put down to deal with recent snowstorms and ice, it gets into the underground electrical vaults and can cause shorts, including manhole explosions:

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Heh. Just another unexpected hazard of Life In The Big City. I saw that happen once on the East Side: I was walking down Second Avenue when I heard a bang behind me: I turned to see a cloud of smoke rising from a manhole: and that big iron lid spinning in the street like a flipped quarter. Fascinating enough, til I recalled I had walked over that manhole about ten seconds earlier…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:41:53pm

re: #163 makeitstop

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BeachDem  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:42:17pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

Generally it’s a bad idea to make decisions based on an N of 1. I’d also point out that autonomous vehicles are extensively tested on tracks, but that testing only goes so far, and they’re trying to build vehicles that will be used in the real world, not on test tracks.

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They’re also being tested on roads and in cities. Last year I stayed in a hotel in NY where some test drivers were staying—they were travelling to various metro areas to test the cars in urban traffic. They had tested in Boston, Pittsburgh, Detroit and were doing several weeks in NYC.

Not saying I’m a fan of self-driving cars, but I know they are being tested in real-world situations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:42:38pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:43:31pm

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

Hmm, how often do children or adults dart into traffic? Apparently they didn’t consider that worthy of testing on a track. They used a public road, and killed someone.

How do you know? Have you all the test scenarios and results? The test track does not give you results with real Joe Public doing dangerous, crazy, forgetful, stupid stuff.

I wouldn’t get too comfortable about never hitting anyone. I don’t know your situations, but I bet you were very lucky if they all happened like the Uber incident.

Have you seen the video? (Warning…graphic and we know the results)

Uber dashcam footage shows lead up to fatal self-driving crash

Edit: I mistakenly brain farted and typed Google instead of Uber.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:44:48pm

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹

Who’d’ve thought a psychology test on Facebook’s newsfeeds could swing an election in a country of 320,000,000 people?

I took a lot of crap for calling that out as suspicious at the time.

Yet here we are.

How long now has argument gone on about the Internet of Things and the crap that can be done with those devices?

I have no faith that Uber’s rapey business culture is any better.

I cannot find the video link? Anyone notice if the car honked the horn? Flashed the lights? Swerved or braked? If there was a two-second gap between the woman first coming into view and being hit, that’s a lot of time to do all those things.

Fallacy of big/small numbers. How many driverless cars are on the road versus how many total cars? Google’s cars have been in a number of accidents too (though none fatal).

The point of these cars is they are sold to the public as “safer.”

You know what? If a corporation is selling an idea (Facebook will keep your data private), it is up to them to sell the idea to me, and not up to me to accept it uncritically.

Nothing like 2 seconds. To me, it looks like less than a second.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:45:35pm

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:48:03pm

named for Alexander Haig, the king of gobbledygook

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IngisKahn  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:48:30pm

re: #169 Blind Frog Belly White

Less than 1 second when you can see the faintest indication of shoes, less than half a second when you can actually make out that there’s something to be avoided.

Maybe they need to program the use of high beams…

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:49:26pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’ll appeal and the rubber stamps he has at the Wisconsin Supreme Court will prevent any problem for Scooter and his bosses in Kansas.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:49:52pm

re: #163 makeitstop

Did the judge order a specific date? If Walker’s AG appeals, does that mean no special election? No amount of tax money can be spared to preserve a Republican majority, after all.

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:52:05pm

re: #174 Anymouse 🌹

Did the judge order a specific date? If Walker’s AG appeals, does that mean no special election? No amount of tax money can be spared to preserve a Republican majority, after all.

The bigger issue in Wisconsin is the Spring General Election coming up in April when we have a chance to get someone sane on the Supreme Court. That will help though I doubt it’s going to be enough to prevent the rubber stamps from winning the appeal for Scooter.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:53:48pm

re: #168 ObserverArt

How do you know? Have you all the test scenarios and results? The test track does not give you results with real Joe Public doing dangerous, crazy, forgetful, stupid stuff.

I wouldn’t get too comfortable about never hitting anyone. I don’t know your situations, but I bet you were very lucky if they all happened like the Google incident.

Have you seen the video? (Warning…graphic and we know the results)

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Video

Not to lay the blame totally on the victim, but if you will notice, she was wearing dark clothing and no reflectors on the bike. Uber will use these two factors in their defense.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:54:08pm

re: #160 BeachDem

I have never even been a fan of cruise control. I remember when it first became popular and friends would drive with their legs crossed up on the seat. Drove me crazy (actually, drove me to be the driver.)

I had a buddy driving his BMW to a Browns football game back in the 80s when it was just being put on cars.

He had it on and went up the exit ramp with it on and had to slam the brakes because we were closing fast.

The system tested out fine in the lab. The human failed. Humans do fail. Anymouse must not be human. He never fails.

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:54:49pm

re: #174 Anymouse 🌹

Did the judge order a specific date? If Walker’s AG appeals, does that mean no special election? No amount of tax money can be spared to preserve a Republican majority, after all.

Per Sleuth’s #165, ‘immediately.’

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BeachDem  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:55:06pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

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named for Alexander Haig, the king of gobbledygook

Particularly noted for “verbalizing” nouns.

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Kragar  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:55:55pm
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TedStriker  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:56:01pm

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Not to lay the blame totally on the victim, but if you will notice, she was wearing dark clothing and no reflectors on the bike. Uber will use these two factors in their defense.

My question is, why did the car’s LIDAR and other sensors not pick them up? I would think they should be able to read beyond the reach of the headlights.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:56:35pm

she is so full of shit

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EPR-radar  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:56:54pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

Ya know, the idea of testing autonomous vehicles in real traffic with test drivers ready to take over at any moment SOUNDS good, till you realize that there are so many drivers out there who are already distracted even when they’re the ones driving.

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Being that kind of test driver is an impossible job. Tedious beyond description 99.999+% of the time, and requiring alert competent emergency response the rest of the time.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:57:18pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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barf

tRump is “turning this country around”. I can agree with that since we have been going forward for the last 6.5 years after Obama brought us out of the repub created recession. And tRump’s tantrums are turning that forward momentum around.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:57:41pm

re: #160 BeachDem

I have never even been a fan of cruise control. I remember when it first became popular and friends would drive with their legs crossed up on the seat. Drove me crazy (actually, drove me to be the driver.)

I can always tell who’s not using cruise control because they CAN’T HOLD A CONSTANT SPEED. Yeah, that annoys me. My wife is really bad. On the highway, when the speed limit is 70 and there’s no other car within threatening distance, her speed varies between 60 and 80.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:58:32pm
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BadgerB  Mar 22, 2018 • 1:58:44pm

re: #168 ObserverArt

I don’t want to watch the video and haven’t read every article out there but here was the first I saw with a reaction from local police:

Police chief: Uber self-driving car “likely” not at fault in fatal crash

After viewing video captured by the Uber vehicle, Moir concluded that “it’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway.”

Of course there will be further investigation and review of what the car could have done and hopefully, it there is a way for it to have recognized what was happening and prevented the collision the knowledge will quickly make its way into use across all the different self-driving software suites.

For so dangerous a feat as flying 10,000 feet in the air with only a couple mechanical engines to keep you up, very few planes fall from the sky. One reason is that when one does, people take very seriously the job of finding out why and looking for ways to keep it from happening again.

Hopefully the same process will be applied here.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:00:14pm

re: #181 TedStriker

My question is, why did the car’s LIDAR and other sensors not pick them up? I would think they should be able to read beyond the reach of the headlights.

Valid question. But my understanding of LIDAR is that it requires a reflective surface to work. Another question to be asked is was the car equipped with thermal detection/recognition gear? If not, why?

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:00:55pm

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Not to lay the blame totally on the victim, but if you will notice, she was wearing dark clothing and no reflectors on the bike. Uber will use these two factors in their defense.

It didn’t appear as if she was looking up the road for cars either. Sad case.

And no I am not excusing Uber, autocars, etc. People still get clobbered by trains yet today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:03:05pm

re: #160 BeachDem

I have never even been a fan of cruise control. I remember when it first became popular and friends would drive with their legs crossed up on the seat. Drove me crazy (actually, drove me to be the driver.)

total waste of time on the German autobahn. all you need is a brick on the accelerator pedal with a string to pull it up in case a truck pulls out in from of you.

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makeitstop  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:03:34pm
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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:03:35pm

re: #188 Bubblehead II

Valid question. But my understanding of LIDAR is that it requires a reflective surface to work. Another question to be asked is was the car equipped with thermal detection/recognition gear? If not, why?

Probably because of the number of inputs involved. Human sight is complicated enough. Doubling the input data will take even more computing power.

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Bubblehead II  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:06:56pm

re: #189 ObserverArt

It didn’t appear as if she was looking up the road for cars either. Sad case.

And no I am not excusing Uber, autocars, etc. People still get clobbered by trains yet today.

Yep, Most of them trying to beat the train and losing. I call it the law of gross tonnage. He who has the most tonnage has the right away and will always win.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:07:22pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

she is so full of shit

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Maybe because your husband is a yugge bully.

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:07:26pm

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

total waste of time on the German autobahn. all you need is a brick on the accelerator pedal with a string to pull it up in case a truck pulls out in from of you.

I always “loved” it when we had to have our road marches take us onto highways and even sometimes autobahns while I was active duty in 83-84. A M-60A3 can hit 30mph going downhill with a hurricane tailwind so there were always cars in and out of our line of vehicles and sometimes the cars lost. Badly. 54 tons vs 1 or 2 tons is not pretty.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:07:28pm

re: #160 BeachDem

I have never even been a fan of cruise control. I remember when it first became popular and friends would drive with their legs crossed up on the seat. Drove me crazy (actually, drove me to be the driver.)

About the only time I’ve used cruise control is driving either to/from LA/Vegas or LA/Phoenix. Long straight roads with nobody around.

The weirdest thing for me is my Challenger has cruise control and a manual transmission. Never use that because I’m always worried of stalling if I turn it off and forget to hit the clutch or gas.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:09:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:09:50pm

re: #176 Bubblehead II

Not to lay the blame totally on the victim, but if you will notice, she was wearing dark clothing and no reflectors on the bike. Uber will use these two factors in their defense.

I suspect the non-driver is the one who’s going to be thrown under a bus. By Uber.

It still goes back to the issue that these cars are sold on the idea that these sorts of things wouldn’t happen. No sound, so we can’t tell if the car horn honked to warn her as she entered the car’s path. Presumably, the car’s sensors should be able to detect a full-sized human being walking a bicycle across the road.

The car didn’t swerve, and it doesn’t appear to brake.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:12:00pm

re: #197 Ace-o-aces

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Yeah good luck with that one Nolte.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:12:24pm

re: #197 Ace-o-aces

Please proceed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:12:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:13:35pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:14:08pm

re: #196 KGxvi

About the only time I’ve used cruise control is driving either to/from LA/Vegas or LA/Phoenix. Long straight roads with nobody around.

The weirdest thing for me is my Challenger has cruise control and a manual transmission. Never use that because I’m always worried of stalling if I turn it off and forget to hit the clutch or gas.

I had cruise control in my manual transmission Nissan. The interesting thing about it is because the cruise control basically works on engine revolutions, I could use the cruise at 5 mph for example in first gear.

I never had trouble with the cruise control in the car.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:14:16pm

re: #185 Belafon

I can always tell who’s not using cruise control because they CAN’T HOLD A CONSTANT SPEED. Yeah, that annoys me. My wife is really bad. On the highway, when the speed limit is 70 and there’s no other car within threatening distance, her speed varies between 60 and 80.

Wanna take a ride? I can prove you wrong. I love to drive and holding a constant speed isn’t that dang hard if you are paying attention.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:15:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:17:49pm
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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:18:17pm

re: #204 ObserverArt

I can hold a constant speed, but I actually like cruise control, in town even. It keeps me from competing with other cars. It’s just annoying how many other people can’t hold a constants speed. I’m pretty sure that Uber car already drives better than most of them.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:18:19pm

re: #188 Bubblehead II

Valid question. But my understanding of LIDAR is that it requires a reflective surface to work. Another question to be asked is was the car equipped with thermal detection/recognition gear? If not, why?

Interesting. I don’t know how all the sensors work. But in the video I noticed she was crossing right at the point where the light seem to go from light to dark. I don’t know if that was street lighting, a tree or building causing the dark area or what. But I wonder if that light change messed up the sensors.

It sure made me jump at the video how it happened.

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majii  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:20:05pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

…”“I’m well aware that people are skeptical of me discussing this topic.”“

You’re damn skippy, Melania, because you’re married to the world’s biggest, and worst, bully, and you can’t do a thing about it. Since this is the case, why in the hell do you think anyone would want to listen to anything you have to say about preventing bullying behavior? Clean your own house before you start telling others to clean theirs.
Edited for spelling.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:21:46pm

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

I suspect the non-driver is the one who’s going to be thrown under a bus. By Uber.

It still goes back to the issue that these cars are sold on the idea that these sorts of things wouldn’t happen. No sound, so we can’t tell if the car horn honked to warn her as she entered the car’s path. Presumably, the car’s sensors should be able to detect a full-sized human being walking a bicycle across the road.

The car didn’t swerve, and it doesn’t appear to brake.

So, you think you would have avoided that based on the video?

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:22:14pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:23:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:23:57pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:24:29pm

re: #211 Ace-o-aces

Bannon says the three pillars of his new ideology are nationalism, cryptocurrencies, and digital sovereignty.

dudebros all over the world are creaming themselves in their parents’ basements

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:24:50pm

re: #196 KGxvi

About the only time I’ve used cruise control is driving either to/from LA/Vegas or LA/Phoenix. Long straight roads with nobody around.

The weirdest thing for me is my Challenger has cruise control and a manual transmission. Never use that because I’m always worried of stalling if I turn it off and forget to hit the clutch or gas.

I’m not sure I understand - does your car stall when you lift off the gas?

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:27:03pm

re: #209 majii

…”“I’m well aware that people are skeptical of me discussing this topic.”“

You’re damn skippy, Melania, because you’re married to the world’s biggest, and worst, bully, and you can’t do a thing about it. Since this is the case, why in the hell do you think anyone would want to list to anything you have to say about preventing bullying behavior? Clean your own house before you start telling others to clean theirs.

Speaking of bully projection:

Today’s atheists are bullies — and they are doing their best to intimidate the rest of us into silence (FOX News Channel)

Lede:

There’s no polite way to say it. Atheists today are the most arrogant, ignorant and dangerous people on earth. (emphasis mine)

We’ve all seen how these pompous prigs get offended by the slightest bit of religious imagery in public and mortified if even a whisper of “Merry Christmas” escapes the lips of some well-meaning but naïve department store clerk during the “holiday season.”

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:27:38pm

re: #215 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not sure I understand - does your car stall when you lift off the gas?

It’s just a mental thing on my side. The only couple of times I’ve stalled were when I was at a stop and would take my foot off the clutch before giving it gas. But the thought of that happening at 75 mph is enough for me to not bother with it.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:28:59pm

re: #207 Belafon

I can hold a constant speed, but I actually like cruise control, in town even. It keeps me from competing with other cars. It’s just annoying how many other people can’t hold a constants speed. I’m pretty sure that Uber car already drives better than most of them.

I have a simple test for how someone will end up as a driver.

A. Is it a task, chore, a necessity and you don’t really like cars and don’t care to learn about them? You don’t like to drive and will let someone else do it if available.

B. You are a damn full-on car junkie. You eat and sleep cars. You like racing. You like vehicle dynamics and just love to feel the car on the road and its balance in your butt. You love to drive.

A. Probably not going to be a good driver.

B. Probably going to be a good driver.

It usually works out pretty good as an indicator.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:29:02pm

About 10 years ago when I was driving home from work after 10 PM at night, a bicyclist on the cross street went through a red light; I was paying attention and slammed on the brakes. No harm to anyone though I had some choice words for the cyclist (said to myself only). Certainly I had no previous thought someone would be riding a bike on that street during the day, let alone at night. If you are actually driving a vehicle, you may pay far more attention to the road and what’s around you than when you are, in effect, a passenger in driverless vehicle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:29:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:29:35pm

re: #210 ObserverArt

So, you think you would have avoided that based on the video?

I can’t say. The car did not swerve. The “driver” sure wasn’t paying attention. Can’t tell if the car’s horn blew.

I’ll bet I might have avoided her (a slight swerve would have done it). I can’t say for others, I have fast reactions. (I halted and swerved when a mountain lion ran in front of us coming home from Cheyenne last night, and a mountain lion is significantly smaller than a woman with a bicycle.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:29:59pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

So Milo failed as a singer before he got his latest gig?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:30:01pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹

Speaking of bully projection:

Today’s atheists are bullies — and they are doing their best to intimidate the rest of us into silence (FOX News Channel)

Lede:

I consider myself agnostic. Merry Christmas doesn’t offend me at all. I just choose to say Happy Holidays because A) not everyone celebrates Christmas but also because well there’s a big holiday a week after Christmas. Faux whines too much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:30:33pm

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

I suspect the non-driver is the one who’s going to be thrown under a bus. By Uber.

It still goes back to the issue that these cars are sold on the idea that these sorts of things wouldn’t happen. No sound, so we can’t tell if the car horn honked to warn her as she entered the car’s path. Presumably, the car’s sensors should be able to detect a full-sized human being walking a bicycle across the road.

The car didn’t swerve, and it doesn’t appear to brake.

We-e-ell… they’re not really being sold, and the claim is not that they don’t happen, but rather that they’ll happen less often.

Are we watching the same video? Because to me it seems the first time she becomes visible, she’s already squarely in the path of the vehicle. Not sure what a horn would do apart from making her freeze, right there in front of the car.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:31:33pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I consider myself agnostic. Merry Christmas doesn’t offend me at all. I just choose to say Happy Holidays because A) not everyone celebrates Christmas but also because well there’s a big holiday a week after Christmas. Faux whines too much.

jeebus, has the annual War On Christmas started already?

JFC…it’s not even Easter yet…

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Bubblehead II  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:31:43pm

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

I suspect the non-driver is the one who’s going to be thrown under a bus. By Uber.

It still goes back to the issue that these cars are sold on the idea that these sorts of things wouldn’t happen. No sound, so we can’t tell if the car horn honked to warn her as she entered the car’s path. Presumably, the car’s sensors should be able to detect a full-sized human being walking a bicycle across the road.

The car didn’t swerve, and it doesn’t appear to brake.

Well if he was monitoring onboard system diagnostics, Uber will still be fucked. Either way, the NTSB will more than likely be investigating this incident. Until then, all we are doing is just speculating as what actually happened. Monday morning quarterbacking if you will.

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majii  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:31:53pm

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Bannon says the three pillars of his new ideology are nationalism, cryptocurrencies, and digital sovereignty.”
“dudebros all over the world are creaming themselves in their parents’ basements”

Since he lost the backing of billionaire Robert Mercer, I’m wondering how he plans to fund his movement to accomplish his “pillars.” I would think other wealthy Americans would be hesitant to invest in any of his ventures/ideas at this point. Personally, I think he’s selling BS and knows it, and he also knows that the dudebros will believe anything he says because they see him as being a fount of expert information on many subjects.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:32:44pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I consider myself agnostic. Merry Christmas doesn’t offend me at all. I just choose to say Happy Holidays because A) not everyone celebrates Christmas but also because well there’s a big holiday a week after Christmas. Faux whines too much.

I used to be happy that the War on Christmas had not reached Germany, but I noticed that the media had started making a topic of it last year. That was also the year I took my kids shopping to buy Hallowe’en candy in October (Hallowe’en has started to catch on as a thing here) and had to walk past the Christmas chocolate displays.

I was about to go up and ask the shop assistant where I could find the Easter bunnies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:32:50pm

re: #217 KGxvi

It’s just a mental thing on my side. The only couple of times I’ve stalled were when I was at a stop and would take my foot off the clutch before giving it gas. But the thought of that happening at 75 mph is enough for me to not bother with it.

Turning off Cruise Control is really just like lifting your foot off the gas. Trust me. Try it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:33:05pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, has the annual War On Christmas started already?

JFC…it’s not even Easter yet…

I know.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:33:47pm

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I used to be happy that the War on Christmas had not reached Germany, but I noticed that the media had started making a topic of it last year. That was also the year I took my kids shopping to buy Hallowe’en candy in October (Hallowe’en has started to catch on as a thing here) and had to walk past the Christmas chocolate displays.

I was about to go up and ask the shop assistant where I could find the Easter bunnies.

It’s just of all the things to get upset about?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:34:05pm

Got an alert from Norton that Orbitz has been breached - 800K customers.

Don’t think I’ve ever used it..?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:34:12pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I know.

I mean, really…let the poor Son of God rise from the dead first before we start bashing his birthday again…

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nines09  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:35:18pm

re: #212 Dave In Austin

Long day.
Let me rephrase that.
That is the face of a man who has seen some shit.

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:35:23pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, has the annual War On Christmas started already?

JFC…it’s not even Easter yet…

At least no one has figured out how to Hallmark Good Friday yet.\

“Let’s all Hang Around!” With a crucifix here?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:35:51pm

re: #217 KGxvi

BTW, you have a Challenger? Picture is required!

Ain’t it purty?
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:36:00pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:36:00pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

It’s just of all the things to get upset about?

there can never be enough outrage to fill a 24/7 news cycle

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:37:15pm

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there can never be enough outrage to fill a 24/7 news cycle

Yep fucking Murdoch.

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majii  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:39:00pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹

“Today’s atheists are bullies — and they are doing their best to intimidate the rest of us into silence (FOX News Channel)”

The biggest bullies in America at the present time are fundamentalist/evangelical “c”hristians. Why? Because they’re willing to lie, cheat, steal, commit atrocities, ignore the rule of law, etc. to maintain religious and political power,and when things go wrong/bad for them, they’re always blaming someone else. For many of them, Christianity is simply the vehicle they use to suppress and control others. I don’t have a problem with atheists, but I do have a huge problem with “c”hristians. The only thing I want from them is to leave me the hell alone. What they believe and the way they live is different from what I believe and the way I live.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:41:34pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I consider myself agnostic. Merry Christmas doesn’t offend me at all. I just choose to say Happy Holidays because A) not everyone celebrates Christmas but also because well there’s a big holiday a week after Christmas. Faux whines too much.

This is a hell of an opening refrain:

There’s no polite way to say it. Atheists today are the most arrogant, ignorant and dangerous people on earth.

But the list of grievances is just amazing:

To cite a few recent examples: Last December, the group American Atheists launched its annual billboard campaign with the slogan: “Just Skip Church — It’s All Fake News.” In February, the American Humanist Association became furious when President Trump had the gall to mention Christianity and Jesus Christ without also mentioning atheists—at the National Prayer Breakfast! (How dare he!) And just this month, the Freedom From Religion Foundation raised holy hell because the Reverend Billy Graham was laid out in state in the Capitol Rotunda before his burial.

Billboards and free speech are apparently a threat to religion. The National Prayer Breakfast is a dumb thing, but I don’t remember anyone being outraged - just pointing out that past presidents were usually good enough to acknowledge non-believers. And Billy Graham laying in honor at the Capitol is rightly a damn shame.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:42:11pm

re: #217 KGxvi

It’s just a mental thing on my side. The only couple of times I’ve stalled were when I was at a stop and would take my foot off the clutch before giving it gas. But the thought of that happening at 75 mph is enough for me to not bother with it.

Cruise control will automatically disengage the second you tap the brakes or depress the clutch and you can’t really “stall” the engine at 75 mph because the wheel shaft is spinning way too fast. The worst that can happen at that speed is over revving the engine by shifting to a lower gear.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:43:23pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

I consider myself agnostic. Merry Christmas doesn’t offend me at all. I just choose to say Happy Holidays because A) not everyone celebrates Christmas but also because well there’s a big holiday a week after Christmas. Faux whines too much.

The whole article is projection and a persecution complex of the first order. The last two paragraphs read like the same sort of stochastic terrorism levied against Dr. Tiller:

And that’s exactly what modern-day atheists are—bullies; bullies who are doing their best to intimidate the rest of us into silence.

Well, we can’t allow that to happen. As I say in my book, “Inside the Atheist Mind: Unmasking the Religion of Those Who Say There is No God,” there is only one way to deal with bullies, even in this politically correct world—and that is to stand up to them and fight them; to fight them in a bold, aggressive, and fearless way, and to fight them now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:44:01pm
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majii  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:45:13pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

“It’s just of all the things to get upset about?”

It’s really a non-issue that some on the right have decided to make an issue in their pursuit to prove that America is a Christian nation even though we don’t have a nationally recognized religion. I see it as basically an “Us” against “Them” game that I refuse to play.

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dangerman  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:45:51pm

re: #193 Bubblehead II

Yep, Most of them trying to beat the train and losing. I call it the law of gross tonnage. He who has the most tonnage has the right away and will always win.

old joke from mad magazine

a husband and wife on a sailfish is passing like 10 feet in front of the bow of an ocean liner

he says “don’t worry honey, we have the right of way”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:46:12pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:46:18pm
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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:48:26pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, has the annual War On Christmas started already?

JFC…it’s not even Easter yet…

BREAKING - New York City, New York - The Hateful Atheists have opened a new front in the War on Christmas. With no warning or provocation, the Hateful Atheists attacked the Good Christian Warriors in the midst of Lent. Some have taken to calling it the Battle of Easter among the Good Christian Warriors, all of whom are prepared to fight. The Hateful Atheists have not claimed responsibility for the attack, but the Good Christian Warriors spokesperson has assured reporters that the Hateful Atheists are responsible for the degredation of the Easter Bunny, Easter Eggs, and other completely and entirely Christian symbols. When reached for comment the Hateful Atheists spokerdeamon said only that the bunny and egg iconography predate Christianity and have been used the world over for spring and fertility festivals. We are researching this blasphemy but can assure you that, like the Christmas Tree and Santa Claus, nobody ever used these items for holidays before the Good Christian Warriors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:49:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:49:26pm

re: #245 majii

“It’s just of all the things to get upset about?”

It’s really a non-issue that some on the right have decided to make an issue in their pursuit to prove that America is a Christian nation even though we don’t have a nationally recognized religion. I see it as basically an “Us” against “Them” game that I refuse to play.

Well, you know, if you won’t play, they’ll just play with themselves.
///

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:49:47pm

re: #240 majii

That article is a whole regiment of strawmen and a Gish Gallop that would make Duane Gish proud.

Responding to it of course takes far longer than it takes to read, and FOX has a way bigger platform than I do spreading their propaganda.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:49:54pm

Speaking of cruise control the traffic aware cruise control mode in the Tesla cars is really nice. I used it during part of my turn on the test drive and it automatically maintained a safe gap between me and the car in front of me. It also saw the asshole coming up on my left preparing to cut hard in front of me and braked smoothly before I knew what the fuck was happening.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:51:40pm

re: #115 Jay C

Looks like the stock markets are going to close the day down about 2.5-3 % on the day. Dow closes 23,958.86 - down 723.45 (2.93%)

He really is intent on undoing everything Obama achieved.

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:53:24pm

re: #254 Barefoot Grin

I wonder how many of the Trumps shorted the market recently?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:53:30pm

re: #241 KGxvi

This is a hell of an opening refrain:

But the list of grievances is just amazing:

Billboards and free speech are apparently a threat to religion. The National Prayer Breakfast is a dumb thing, but I don’t remember anyone being outraged - just pointing out that past presidents were usually good enough to acknowledge non-believers. And Billy Graham laying in honor at the Capitol is rightly a damn shame.

Precisely

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:53:49pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

Susan Collins didn’t actually care about the health care fix. It was a lie to her constituents to appear moderate (I noted that at the time).

If she cared, she would insure that fix was in there or she would vote against the bill.

She will not. She cannot deny her conservative faith.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:54:23pm

re: #236 Blind Frog Belly White

BTW, you have a Challenger? Picture is required!

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Only thing I have handy is a pic from instagram… meet Sydney, 2013 R/T Classic, six speed, V-8.

Instagram

345 cubic inches of sexy #sydneythechallenger #challenger

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:56:09pm

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

I can’t say. The car did not swerve. The “driver” sure wasn’t paying attention. Can’t tell if the car’s horn blew.

I’ll bet I might have avoided her (a slight swerve would have done it). I can’t say for others, I have fast reactions. (I halted and swerved when a mountain lion ran in front of us coming home from Cheyenne last night, and a mountain lion is significantly smaller than a woman with a bicycle.)

But didn’t you also hit a deer not too long ago? Shit can come out of nowhere fast and safety isn’t measured well at the individual level. On aggregate self driving cars are already much safer than the typical human driven vehicle and AI capability is progressing exponentially.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:56:37pm

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, has the annual War On Christmas started already?

JFC…it’s not even Easter yet…

“We are always at war with Christmas”

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:57:34pm

re: #245 majii

“It’s just of all the things to get upset about?”

It’s really a non-issue that some on the right have decided to make an issue in their pursuit to prove that America is a Christian nation even though we don’t have a nationally recognized religion. I see it as basically an “Us” against “Them” game that I refuse to play.

But it is an issue. The village next south of mine has on it’s town owned billboards in both directions on US-385 a praise to “the risen Lord.”

I’ve contacted the village clerk to remind them that using the town boards with the town seal to endorse religion could get a village of three hundred people sued.

The assertion of religious privilege in the public square must be opposed every time it happens, or religious freedom dies. (The same goes for religious propaganda from FOX News.)

The author of that FOX article is a wingnut from EWTN.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:57:52pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:58:07pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

If Hitler had just started the war against Russia earlier he might have won. Fox has learned from that horrible mistake.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:58:14pm

re: #258 KGxvi

Ok, can’t seem to get the picture to display right for some reason.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 2:59:48pm

re: #264 KGxvi

Ok, can’t seem to get the picture to display right for some reason.

If you tell me what color it is, I can picture it myself.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:01:19pm

re: #265 Blind Frog Belly White

If you tell me what color it is, I can picture it myself.

I believe the official name is granite metallic. Sort of a gun metal grey.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:02:14pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

But didn’t you also hit a deer not too long ago? Shit can come out of nowhere fast and safety isn’t measured well at the individual level. On aggregate self driving cars are already much safer than the typical driver and AI capability is progressing exponentially.

As I mentioned above, the deer ran straight into my car. It also lived (though may have died later), and I was traveling a lot faster.

We’re back to the fallacy of big/small numbers again. Google and Uber have had numerous accidents with self-driving cars on public roads, though there are very few self-driving cars and miles driven.

As for now, they have not proved as safe as driver-directed cars. Moreover, they are marketing them to make a profit. It is not up to me to accept their claims of safety, it is up to them to show them. (Basically, the argument shifts the burden of proof to me to accept their claims of safety.)

I see no reason to believe anything a rapey, sexually-assaulting corporate culture that disobeys laws in states and municipalities unless they provide evidence. Their marketing campaign is not evidence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:03:23pm

re: #264 KGxvi

Ok, can’t seem to get the picture to display right for some reason.

here ya go:

SydneyTheChallenger
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:03:36pm

re: #266 KGxvi

I believe the official name is granite metallic. Sort of a gun metal grey.

White or black stripes? or no stripes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:05:31pm
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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:06:20pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

here ya go:

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Thank you, for some reason putting in the instagram link isn’t working today.

re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White

White or black stripes? or no stripes?

Black stripes. Also recently got new plates so she has the classic gold on black California plates that look so nice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:08:04pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nice! I like the subtlety of the black stripes on dark gray. I’ve thought about getting rid of my ‘war stripes’, but whenever I mention it, The Older Boy says he couldn’t find my car in the parking lot without them.

I thought about gray, but the Jazz Blue is just too pretty in bright sunlight…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:09:08pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nice!!!!!!

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fern01  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:09:37pm

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹

Looking at the chart, you can see what the combination of Facebook/Cambridge Analytica followed by Trump’s tariff announcement did.

I wonder if he’s going to claim credit for the stock market’s performance this week? /s

Despite concerns about my retirement savings, it is good to see the moron lose one of his last positive talking points. Also proves that GOP policies are disastrous for investments as well as the people a government is elected to serve.

I outlasted the Bush market crash & hope to outlast this one as well. Yet again, democrats will rebuild the economy.

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gocart mozart  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:10:17pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, they are fake English

Adriano Celentano - Prisencolinensinainciusol

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:15:07pm

Message to the village clerk of the next town south.

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gocart mozart  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:19:37pm
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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:20:46pm

re: #276 Anymouse 🌹

< Big thumbs up. >

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:20:53pm

re: #255 Skip Intro

I wonder how many of the Trumps shorted the market recently?

All of them, Katie.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:21:48pm

re: #267 Anymouse 🌹

I see no reason to believe anything a rapey, sexually-assaulting corporate culture that disobeys laws in states and municipalities unless they provide evidence. Their marketing campaign is not evidence.

Cal DMV compiles evidence and the vast majority of accidents involving autonomous vehicles here have either been the fault of the driver operating the car in conventional mode or the fault of the driver of the other car. Also, your hyperbole is ridiculous.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:22:35pm

re: #274 fern01

Despite concerns about my retirement savings, it is good to see the moron lose one of his last positive talking points. Also proves that GOP policies are disastrous for investments as well as the people a government is elected to serve.

I outlasted the Bush market crash & hope to outlast this one as well. Yet again, democrats will rebuild the economy.

In fairness, most of the GOP isn’t really down with a trade war.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:24:01pm

re: #281 KGxvi

In fairness, most of the GOP isn’t really down with a trade war.

But have so far done fuck all to stop it.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:26:10pm

re: #282 Blind Frog Belly White

But have so far done fuck all to stop it.

I’m honestly surprised by this. I would have figured the corporate money donors would have been more important to them. Either that, or they figure they’re going to get mudstomped in November so they’ve just stopped giving a shit.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:27:04pm

re: #211 Ace-o-aces

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In the books I’ve read, cryptocurrencies tend to lead to the weakening of the nation.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:28:51pm

re: #211 Ace-o-aces

The fuck is digital sovereignty?

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:29:35pm

re: #212 Dave In Austin

He doesn’t look relaxed. He looks like he doesn’t know how to relax.

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EPR-radar  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:29:47pm

re: #285 KGxvi

The fuck is digital sovereignty?

It probably ends up being equivalent to Gamergate or some such nonsense.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:29:53pm

McMaster out, bolton in

Jesus Christ

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geosherman  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:30:58pm

nytimes.com
well, that sucks. Bolton in…..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:30:59pm

Fuck me.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:31:27pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

McMaster out, bolton in

Jesus Christ

Welp, there it goes, folks. The end of the world is officially upon us.

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:31:41pm

re: #282 Blind Frog Belly White

But have so far done fuck all to stop it.

They could begin to remove Trump tomorrow if they wanted to. Apparently they’re all going to ride the Trumpitanic all the way to the bottom of the sea, and take us along with them.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:31:47pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

We will be in another war by July. September at the latest.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:31:47pm

re: #278 William Lewis

< Big thumbs up. >

Well, I didn’t have a reason to have pitchforks and torches at my house this week …

By noting who I was, there won’t be any claims of “outside agitators” or other such nonsense. I expect they’ll ignore me anyway.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:33:25pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

McMaster out, bolton in

Jesus Christ

I’m guessing he’s not going to help us.

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plansbandc  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:33:37pm

Glass planet time.

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rhuarc  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:34:09pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

Fuck me.

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Our only hopes are investigative reporting tying Bolton to CA in some nefarious plot with foreign nationals and/or Mueller indicting him for something very similar. Otherwise, we’re all gonna die! :)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:34:13pm

Crazy von Moustache as National Security Adviser to a dominance-obsessed toddler who sees the whole world as a zero-sum game.

Shit.

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EPR-radar  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:34:17pm

re: #293 dirkdigglerjr

We will be in another war by July. September at the latest.

Bolton takes office April 9, so July for the new war seems grossly optimistic. April, or May at the latest.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:34:47pm

re: #293 dirkdigglerjr

We will be in another war by July. September at the latest.

We could hope that Trump gets mad at Bolton about as fast as he gets mad at the rest of his staff.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:35:19pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

Fuck me.

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I wonder how Bolton will act when he can’t get Trump to do what he wants.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:35:20pm

“Hillary will start a war!”

Great job, fucktards. You just elected Bolton.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:35:35pm

re: #285 KGxvi

The fuck is digital sovereignty?

400-pound guys in basements run the country and nobody can stop them because nobody knows where they are located in the Dark Net.

Dudebro wankers’ dream.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:35:50pm

re: #299 EPR-radar

Bolton takes office April 9, so July for the new war seems grossly optimistic. April, or May at the latest.

Trump pulls out of Iran deal in May.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:36:17pm

Dear Berniebots and Jillshills:

Go Omega yourselves!

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EPR-radar  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:36:18pm

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

We could hope that Trump gets mad at Bolton about as fast as he gets mad at the rest of his staff.

So it’s a race between two short time constants — the time it takes Bolton to get us into a war, and the time it takes Trump to get pissed off at any underling other than Javanka.

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:36:30pm

re: #290 Blind Frog Belly White

Fuck me.

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That ought to really move the market tomorrow. The Stable Genius is loading up with complete crackpots now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:36:54pm

re: #297 rhuarc

Our only hopes are investigative reporting tying Bolton to CA in some nefarious plot with foreign nationals and/or Mueller indicting him for something very similar. Otherwise, we’re all gonna die! :)

He already is tied to Cambridge Analytica.

cnn.com

John Bolton Super PAC
Former US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton is being considered to replace H.R. McMaster as White House national security adviser. According to FEC filings, Bolton’s super PAC doled out $1,152,299 for Cambridge Analytica’s work from 2014 through 2016. All of the services billed are for “research” and “survey research.”

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:37:00pm

On the other hand, Trump is likely to have a showdown with Bolton over the mustache within the first two weeks leading Bolton to resign.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:37:18pm

I’ve come to understand that conservatives hate people with good reading comprehension.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:38:07pm

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

We could hope that Trump gets mad at Bolton about as fast as he gets mad at the rest of his staff.

The thing about Bolton? I think he digs the whole dominance thing that is the core of Trump’s being.

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EPR-radar  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:38:29pm

re: #307 Skip Intro

That ought to really move the market tomorrow. The Stable Genius is loading up with complete crackpots now.

Bolton is the kind of fucknut that would listen to a Trump plan to nuke California and blame it on North Korea and start adding helpful details to try to improve the chance the deception succeeds.

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:39:30pm

Today is Kiss your 401k Goodby Day.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:39:31pm

So where is McMaster getting reassigned? Or is he retiring?

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:39:32pm

re: #310 Ace-o-aces

Yep. You were supposed to nod your head in agreement at how much easier it is for gays to get badges, not ask if it’s true or not.

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rhuarc  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:39:36pm

re: #308 Anymouse 🌹

He already is tied to Cambridge Analytica.

cnn.com

I already knew that which is why I threw in the foreign aspect. We already know being tied to CA like Bolton is won’t move the dial on anything. We need more nefarious evidence that will really stick to him.

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:40:05pm

re: #314 KGxvi

So where is McMaster getting reassigned? Or is he retiring?

He’ll go to some right wing “think” tank.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:40:44pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

The thing about Bolton? I think he digs the whole dominance thing that is the core of Trump’s being.

The problem Bolton is going to run into is that Trump fakes being dominant. He’s a big chicken when actually confronted, and will later go off, sulk, and then say mean things about you.

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ObserverArt  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:41:03pm

re: #283 KGxvi

I’m honestly surprised by this. I would have figured the corporate money donors would have been more important to them. Either that, or they figure they’re going to get mudstomped in November so they’ve just stopped giving a shit.

Or as discussed often…#3: The Russians have something on the main GOP politicians and the whole party knows it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:41:16pm

re: #317 Skip Intro

He’ll go to some right wing “think” tank.

He’s still active duty. Barring retirement, he’s gotta go somewhere.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:41:38pm

??? Is Bolton onboard with Putin? I know that he is a warmonger — but is he a Putin worshiper too?

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plansbandc  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:41:52pm

re: #313 Skip Intro

Today is kiss everything goodbye day.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:41:59pm

re: #312 EPR-radar

Bolton is the kind of fucknut that would listen to a Trump plan to nuke California and blame it on North Korea and start adding helpful details to try to improve the chance the deception succeeds.

Please don’t give them any ideas. That ass Anne Graham is already praying for North Korea to nuke San Francisco and Hollywood!

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:42:05pm

re: #317 Skip Intro

He’ll go to some right wing “think” tank.

Wikipedia says he’s still an Army officer, so I don’t think the think tank thing is the route he’ll go.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:42:37pm

re: #318 Belafon

The problem Bolton is going to run into is that Trump fakes being dominant. He’s a big chicken when actually confronted, and will later go off, sulk, and then say mean things about you.

Good point. Someone said Trump’s historical pattern is flatter, then bully, then sue, then crumble.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:43:33pm

re: #325 Blind Frog Belly White

Good point. Someone said Trump’s historical pattern is flatter, then bully, then sue, then crumble.

then declare bankruptcy and walk away

which is exactly what he is on course for doing with the American economy

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:43:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:44:17pm

re: #315 Belafon

Yep. You were supposed to nod your head in agreement at how much easier it is for gays to get badges, not ask if it’s true or not.

Or atheists. I got thrown out of the BSA as a teenager for that.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:45:23pm

re: #321 Hecuba’s daughter

??? Is Bolton onboard with Putin? I know that he is a warmonger — but is he a Putin worshiper too?

He apparently first floated the idea that the conclusion of Russian hacking was a false flag, then changed his mind and said Obama’s retaliation didn’t go far enough and that we should make the Russians feel pain.

So… just as fucking crazy as ever.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:47:02pm

re: #316 rhuarc

I already knew that which is why I threw in the foreign aspect. We already know being tied to CA like Bolton is won’t move the dial on anything. We need more nefarious evidence that will really stick to him.

Be darned if I know what that is. A credibly-accused sexually assaulting GOPer running for Senate in Ala. A GOPer who assaulted a journalist in Mont. winning a House seat. A freakin’ Nazi running as a GOPer in Ill.

331
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:47:53pm

re: #328 Anymouse 🌹

Or atheists. I got thrown out of the BSA as a teenager for that.

I quit Cub Scouts at Webelos stage, when the scoutmaster couldn’t be bothered to do more than protest meekly when - during a den meeting - one kid pinned my arms back and another punched me hard enough in the gut to knock the wind out of me.

332
blueraven  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:50:36pm

Well, one thing is almost a certainty now: we will drop out of the Iran deal.

Things are looking up for a ME nuclear arms race. Wheeee!

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:53:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:54:51pm

re: #310 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

I’ve come to understand that conservatives hate people with good reading comprehension.

Such a douche thing to say.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:55:02pm

re: #332 blueraven

Well, one thing is almost a certainty now: we will drop out of the Iran deal.

Things are looking up for a ME nuclear arms race. Wheeee!

Donald Trump made the GOP Chair Ronna Romney McDaniel drop her middle name she’d used all her life, to spite Mitt Romney.

Will he make John Bolton shave off his mustache?

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plansbandc  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:55:15pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:55:28pm
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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:55:40pm

re: #332 blueraven

Well, one thing is almost a certainty now: we will drop out of the Iran deal.

Things are looking up for a ME nuclear arms race. Wheeee!

India, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel… it’s a regular nuclear belt.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:57:42pm

I am already laughing over the impending day when Bolton is humilatingly fired via tweet.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 3:59:25pm

re: #339 bill d. (b.d.)

I am already laughing over the impending day when Bolton is humilatingly fired via tweet.

I’ll give him till next summer.

341
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:00:20pm

Nobody better tell this guy that we Urbanites have infiltrated all of America, by building cities all over the place and filling them with people.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:00:22pm
343
bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:00:35pm

LOL, here’s hoping that Bolton makes Scaramucci’s tenure look like a entrenched apparatchik.

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Interesting Times  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:01:11pm

re: #339 bill d. (b.d.)

I am already laughing over the impending day when Bolton is humilatingly fired via tweet.

I envy your optimism. I worry this milk-mustachioed-malignancy will start a “wag-the-dog” scenario post-haste :/

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:01:49pm

re: #341 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

Nobody better tell this guy that we Urbanites have infiltrated all of America, by building cities all over the place and filling them with people.

I get tired of ruralites contempt for city dwellers and I’m a rural resident.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:02:16pm

re: #341 Blind Frog Belly White

Nobody better tell this guy that we Urbanites have infiltrated all of America, by building cities all over the place and filling them with people.

Or that not all rural people are conservatives.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:02:26pm

re: #335 Anymouse 🌹

Donald Trump made the GOP Chair Ronna Romney McDaniel drop her middle name she’d used all her life, to spite Mitt Romney.

Will he make John Bolton shave off his mustache?

Trump will tell him it’s a sign of loyalty, but really, it’s the tonsorial equivalent of mounting him.

348
TedStriker  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:02:37pm

re: #339 bill d. (b.d.)

I am already laughing over the impending day when Bolton is humilatingly fired via tweet.

Hopefully before he’s able to cajol Trump into starting another war in a show of “strength”.

349
bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:03:21pm

Remember that news long ago about Dowd?

Trump is an addict. Fire MOAR, fire FASTER, fire HARDER!!

He’ll pardon himself and family before the end of the year.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:04:03pm

re: #341 Blind Frog Belly White

The moment a contract farm/ranch decides to stop shipping product to us evil city dwellers is the moment their corporate overlords take their land and cast them out to the true wilderness.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:04:12pm

re: #345 HappyWarrior

I get tired of ruralites contempt for city dwellers and I’m a rural resident.

We’ll cut off their Oxy and Vicodin and then wait a couple days till they’re really strung out to take over.

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:05:33pm
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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:05:36pm

re: #349 bill d. (b.d.)

Remember that news long ago about Dowd?

Trump is an addict. Fire MOAR, fire FASTER, fire HARDER!!

He’ll pardon himself and family before the end of the year.

Schneiderman: Your honor. I submit that Donald, Donald Jr, Ivanka, and Eric Trump have already admitted to these crimes. All we have to discuss now is how the state is allowed to punish them.

354
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:07:08pm

So, who’s Tessio, and who’s Moe Green?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:07:14pm

There’s always a catch

“… Citibank announced Thursday that it will start requiring clients to place some restrictions on gun sales, including banning the sale of firearms to anyone under the age of 21.

The bank will also require retail clients to only sell guns to individuals who have passed a background check and to not sell bump stocks or high-capacity magazines.

The company announced the changes in a statement condemning gun violence and slamming lawmakers for failing to pass gun control measures. It said the policy would apply to new clients. …”

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:07:38pm

re: #350 KGxvi

The moment a contract farm/ranch decides to stop shipping product to us evil city dwellers is the moment their corporate overlords take their land and cast them out to the true wilderness.

I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt to most of them and say they know who their customers are. They are blustering because they think they can get away with it.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:07:58pm

re: #353 Belafon

Schneiderman: Your honor. I submit that Donald, Donald Jr, Ivanka, and Eric Trump have already admitted to these crimes. All we have to discuss now is how the state is allowed to punish them.

Somebody give Donald a joint and buy it off of him for $10,000, Trump has already stated his desired punishment.

358
scottslemmons  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:08:33pm

Maybe we should be tweeting Trump and telling him Bolton’s already had sex with Ivanka.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:08:48pm

re: #356 Belafon

I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt to most of them and say they know who their customers are. They are blustering because they think they can get away with it.

And I’ll bet you that most of the loudest ones don’t really have a lot to do with food production and distribution.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:09:19pm

re: #350 KGxvi

The moment a contract farm/ranch decides to stop shipping product to us evil city dwellers is the moment their corporate overlords take their land and cast them out to the true wilderness.

And the shrinking actual family farmers find they no longer have a market.

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KGxvi  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:09:37pm

re: #356 Belafon

I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt to most of them and say they know who their customers are. They are blustering because they think they can get away with it.

full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:10:39pm

re: #361 KGxvi

fully of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.

Kurt Schlichter’s wet dream from a week or so ago.

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scottslemmons  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:11:12pm

re: #359 Blind Frog Belly White

And I’ll bet you that most of the loudest ones don’t really have a lot to do with food production and distribution.

The loudest ones don’t have much to do with anything in the real world.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:15:06pm

re: #339 bill d. (b.d.)

I am already laughing over the impending day when Bolton is humilatingly fired via tweet.

Bets on how many Mooches he’ll last?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:15:09pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:15:15pm

re: #354 Blind Frog Belly White

I just want to know who Carlo is.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:15:24pm

The circus is growing dull and folks want real action, in olden days these people would scurry away in the middle of the night:

Exclusive: U.S. miners’ union to endorse two more Democrats in coal country

The United Mine Workers of America on Friday will endorse Richard Ojeda for U.S. Representative in the state’s third district, as well as incumbent Senator Joe Manchin, a Democrat and former West Virginia governor, the sources said.

The main U.S. coal miners’ union is set to endorse two Democrats running for Congress in West Virginia, two sources familiar with the matter said on Thursday

reuters.com

I know that you can buy Nazi tiki-torches at Pottery Barn, where can you buy pitchforks and regular old fashioned torches in West Virginia?

368
majii  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:15:36pm

re: #310 Ace-o-aces

“I’ve come to understand that conservatives hate people with good reading comprehension.”

Of course they do. They’re accustomed to dealing with those who lack critical thinking skills and good reading comprehension skills. When I read or listen to what Hannity, Carlson, Trump, Doocy, Pirro, D’Souza, etc, have to say, it makes no sense to me, but I see it repeated on social media by their true believers. It confounds me to know that millions of Americans have permitted dishonest, craven, lying, money-grubbing, hypocrites to do their thinking for them.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:15:41pm

re: #339 bill d. (b.d.)

I am already laughing over the impending day when Bolton is humilatingly fired via tweet.

We’ll be dead before that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:16:18pm

re: #366 Ace Rothstein

I just want to know who Carlo is.

Leave the gun. Take the cannolis.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:16:25pm

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Bets on how many Mooches he’ll last?

Hopefully half a mooch, he is arguably more obnoxious than Mooch.

372
Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:16:46pm

John Bolton’s Curious Appearance In A Russian Gun Rights Video

npr.org

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:17:33pm

re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s not Carlo, that’s Paulie.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:18:04pm

re: #367 bill d. (b.d.)

The circus is growing dull and folks want real action, in olden days these people would scurry away in the middle of the night:

reuters.com

I know that you can buy Nazi tiki-torches at Pottery Barn, where can you buy pitchforks and regular old fashioned torches in West Virginia?

I don’t mind having them come to the party, but they have to understand that the Democrats are not going to solve their coal mining problem. We will try to solve their “how to live in the 21st century” problem, which is not the same thing.

375
HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:18:08pm

Bolton re: #373 Ace Rothstein

That’s not Carlo, that’s Paulie.

Who DeNiro nearly played but thankfully didn’t.

376
BeachDem  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:18:43pm

Just as a refresher:

Trump’s Next National Security Adviser, John Bolton, Is As Dangerous As You Remembered

The section headers:
Bolton fiercely advocated for the Iraq War and promoted the false justification for it.
He has called for bombing Iran and North Korea.
He damaged the United States’ foreign policy reputation while serving as the ambassador to the U.N.
He has aligned himself with anti-Muslim hate groups.
He joked that former President Barack Obama was a Muslim.

huffingtonpost.com

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:19:17pm

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Bolton

Who DeNiro nearly played but thankfully didn’t.

First auditioned for Sonny, and Caan first auditioned for Michael. I think Coppola made the right choices.

378
Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:19:38pm

re: #376 BeachDem

Link?

379
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:20:36pm

Hopefully Mueller has some big shoes to drop soon.

380
EPR-radar  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:20:39pm

Bolton is a medical miracle — a six-foot tall war boner that can grow a mustache on its head.

381
BeachDem  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:21:47pm

re: #378 Ace Rothstein

Link?

There now (I got distracted)

huffingtonpost.com

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EPR-radar  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:21:47pm

re: #379 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully Mueller has some big shoes to drop soon.

Trump bringing Bolton on board is a literal declaration of war, all the wars everywhere, all at the same time.

Mueller has days to act if he doesn’t want this to turn into a circus vs. a sitting ‘wartime president’.

383
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:22:01pm

re: #373 Ace Rothstein

That’s not Carlo, that’s Paulie.

Can’t tell the players without a program.

384
Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:23:25pm

re: #382 EPR-radar

That’s always been the problem with Mueller’s investigation. He doesn’t have an infinite amount of time to complete it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:23:28pm

re: #377 Ace Rothstein

First auditioned for Sonny, and Caan first auditioned for Michael. I think Coppola made the right choices.

Agreed. I’ve seen DeNiro’s Sonny. Too crazy. Caan’s Sonny had an excellent subtlety to him that DeNiro’s screen test seemed to lack.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:24:03pm

re: #383 Blind Frog Belly White

Can’t tell the players without a program.

You touch my sister again, I’ll fucking kill ya.

387
Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:24:09pm

re: #383 Blind Frog Belly White

I still love the way that scene (Paulie’s murder) is filmed and edited. Clemenza gets out, the camera goes wide, and in the background as Paulie is shot, you can see the Statue of Liberty. It’s fucking beautiful.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:24:15pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:24:17pm

Remember the good ol’ days when Obama was gonna get us all killed?

//

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Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:24:42pm

Does anybody have the Trump quote where he complains about us having all these nuclear warheads and never using them?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:25:37pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Speaking of James Caan, I bought and saw for the first time “Thief” last night. 1981, Michael Mann’s first film. Caan is great in it, but it’s the worst fake blood I’ve ever seen in a movie in my life. I was laughing so hard.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:25:50pm

re: #387 Ace Rothstein

I still love the way that scene (Paulie’s murder) is filmed and edited. Clemenza gets out, the camera goes wide, and in the background as Paulie is shot, you can see the Statue of Liberty. It’s fucking beautiful.

From a purely artistic view I love the Ellis Island scene. My moms grandparents arrived at the same time. Slavic not Sicilian but seeing all those people and among them little Vito Andolini.

393
Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:25:57pm

A Children’s Treasury of No Good Very Bad Austin Bomber Takes (Wonkette)

Robyn Pennacchia dives into the magic balancefairyism of the mainstream media, and some of the conservaswill going on all over the Internet.

Some of this stuff is really disgusting - Robyn should get danger pay for that bit of journalism.

394
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:26:17pm

“… According to the report, police seized items including an AR-15 rifle, .45-caliber pistol, more than 350 rounds of ammunition, and a black tactical vest with ballistic armor from White’s Ford Explorer in the area of Columbia Road and Massachusetts Avenue.

An officer asked White “why he was possessing this arsenal while operating in the City of Boston,” the report said. “Suspect White responded with a lengthy response which included that he was concerned with ‘jihadists on the highway’ and that he has ties to [the] US Military; which [is] currently conducting ‘tests’ on how to address the situation of terrorists on [the] highways.”

In a chilling aside, White also told police that terrorists could trap motorists in a matter of minutes.

“White went on to say that ‘It only takes 7 minutes to block off the highway exits’ and he needed to [be] prepared for such an event,” the report said. …”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:26:49pm

re: #390 Skip Intro

But a revelation by the show’s host, Joe Scarborough, is just plain terrifying. “Several months ago, a foreign policy expert on the international level went to advise Donald Trump. And three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons,” Joe Scarborough said. “Three times [Trump] asked at one point if we had them why can’t we use them.”

396
bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:27:06pm

re: #379 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully Mueller has some big shoes to drop soon.

Not sure it would matter? Can Mueller bring charges against the POTUS? Would it be better for Mueller to wait until the next Congress to release his findings? This current Congress will do nothing against Trump no matter what the findings.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:28:06pm

re: #390 Skip Intro

Does anybody have the Trump quote where he complains about us having all these nuclear warheads and never using them?

well, we need more of them anyways

398
Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:28:18pm

re: #396 bill d. (b.d.)

I don’t think the tortoise is going to win this race.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:28:20pm
400
Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:28:59pm

re: #399 Ace-o-aces

McMaster’s Jewish?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:29:03pm

re: #399 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Remember when HRC was a bigger warmonger than Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:29:35pm

re: #394 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Winthrop man, 70, allegedly carried assault rifle in vehicle to fight ‘jihadists on the highway’

“… According to the report, police seized items including an AR-15 rifle, .45-caliber pistol, more than 350 rounds of ammunition, and a black tactical vest with ballistic armor from White’s Ford Explorer in the area of Columbia Road and Massachusetts Avenue.

NOT a terrorist, rather a counter-terrorist

403
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:30:32pm

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

NOT a terrorist, rather a counter-terrorist

More like Bargain Counter terrorist.

404
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:31:09pm

re: #402 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or perhaps a counter terrorist…terrorist?

405
Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:31:42pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

Just another crazy white guy with a bunch of guns. No big deal.

406
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:32:09pm

re: #405 Skip Intro

Just another crazy white guy with a bunch of guns. No big deal.

I’m wondering if he acquired that SBR legally, and paid his $15 for the required NFA tax stamp, or he bought it as a pistol and modified it illegally.

I’m guessing the latter, his sort of madness certainly wouldn’t see registering his weapon with the Feds as a reasonable option

407
Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:34:05pm

re: #405 Skip Intro

Just another crazy white guy with a bunch of guns. No big deal.

Law-Abiding Gun Owner, right up till he opens fire.

408
scottslemmons  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:34:24pm

Off-topic, but Buzzfeed has a new article focusing on Comicsgate (which is Gamergate for comics) (which is mostly full of Nazis, including some professional comics creators, unfortunately).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:34:44pm
410
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:35:48pm

bolton

Warning! Approaching Peak Stupid!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:37:19pm

little medication for everyone’s Bolton fever this evening

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:38:46pm

re: #395 Eclectic Cyborg

But a revelation by the show’s host, Joe Scarborough, is just plain terrifying. “Several months ago, a foreign policy expert on the international level went to advise Donald Trump. And three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons,” Joe Scarborough said. “Three times [Trump] asked at one point if we had them why can’t we use them.”

The whole issue of whether using nuclear weapons in the context of the law is a red herring.

The question is whether the military would carry out such an order contravening its own doctrine, the Law of Armed Conflict.

The President can give the order to launch one or more nuke, but it’s the Pentagon that carries that order out. Neither scenario would be good:

a) The military launches a nuke (or many) and either the whole world dies or the USA becomes a pariah state.
b) The military refuses the order, in which case we have an effective military coup. (It would not be beyond the realm of possibility in that case that the military removes elements - or all - of the civilian government.)

413
goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:39:53pm
414
Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:40:07pm
415
Skip Intro  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:41:15pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:41:58pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:42:06pm

re: #411 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

little medication for everyone’s Bolton fever this evening

[Embedded content]

I’ll see your Golden Retriever puppy, and raise you one inelegantly reclining Greyhound.

Simultaneous Bedfail and Ottomanfail
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:43:55pm

re: #401 HappyWarrior

Remember when HRC was a bigger warmonger than Trump.

Just watch The Young Turks for 5 minutes…

419
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:44:31pm

re: #417 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ll see your Golden Retriever puppy, and raise you one inelegantly reclining Greyhound.

[Embedded content]

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:44:48pm
421
Anymouse 🌹  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:45:12pm

re: #411 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

little medication for everyone’s Bolton fever this evening

Guinea pigs, too.

Another for Curious Lurker …

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TedStriker  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:45:53pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Agreed. I’ve seen DeNiro’s Sonny. Too crazy. Caan’s Sonny had an excellent subtlety to him that DeNiro’s screen test seemed to lack.

Something I’m sure that DeNiro took to heart when he later played Jimmy Burke in Goodfellas; slick and friendly, but always a smoldering inferno under the surface waiting to explode.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:46:14pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:46:45pm

re: #413 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

That was like, 3 days ago…

I wish that I was still capable of having the blind naivety than anyone who takes a job in the Trump administration must have…

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:46:45pm

re: #422 TedStriker

Something I’m sure that DeNiro took to heart when he later played Jimmy Burke in Goodfellas; slick and friendly, but always a smoldering inferno under the surface waiting to explode.

Ask the telephone booth.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:47:35pm

Really Rex, really?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2018 • 4:48:49pm

re: #422 TedStriker

Something I’m sure that DeNiro took to heart when he later played Jimmy Burke in Goodfellas; slick and friendly, but always a smoldering inferno under the surface waiting to explode.

What I love about the Sonny character is yeah he’s a hothead but he does love his family deeply and it shows.

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The Deep State Drank All The Beer!  Mar 22, 2018 • 5:00:56pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹

Speaking of bully projection:

Today’s atheists are bullies — and they are doing their best to intimidate the rest of us into silence (FOX News Channel)

You’d think he would be able to make a list of intelligent Christians without including any actual Nazis.
You’d be wrong.

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BadgerB  Mar 22, 2018 • 5:08:14pm

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Too many.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 22, 2018 • 5:30:57pm

re: #424 bill d. (b.d.)

[Embedded content]

That was like, 3 days ago…

I wish that I was still capable of having the blind naivety than anyone who takes a job in the Trump administration must have…

Like Bullwinkle and the hat - “This time, for sure!!”

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Dizzy  Mar 22, 2018 • 6:32:23pm

Good morning. Since I’ve never uploaded food photos, and it is breakfast time in China now, I celebrate the Bolton announcement with the Breakfast Of Death.


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Who Is, or Was, the Greatest Martial Artist in History?I only got to the rank of 2nd degree black belt in Chinese & American Kenpo, so I am certainly no expert. I earned all my higher belts at American Karate Studios in Northeastern Ohio, and was a competitor on ...
Samuel Vargo
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The Way We Regulate Self-Driving Cars Is Broken—here’s How to Fix It The key issue is this: the current system is built around an assumption that cars will be purchased and owned by customers. But the pioneers of the driverless world—including Waymo, Cruise, and Uber—are not planning to sell cars to ...
Thanos
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Android’s Trust Problem Isn’t Getting Better Android security is largely failing due to a smorgasbord of issues and lies. Published today, a two-year study of Android security updates has revealed a distressing gap between the software patches Android companies claim to have on their devices ...
Thanos
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Tour of the Moon in 4K Take a virtual tour of the Moon in all-new 4K resolution, thanks to data provided by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft. As the visualization moves around the near side, far side, north and south poles, we highlight interesting features, ...
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Vermont Governor Signs Sweeping Gun Control Measures Vermont Gov. Phil Scott on Wednesday signed sweeping gun control measures -- including limits on the size of magazines -- that the Legislature passed last month after contentious debate. The measures:-- Raise the minimum age for gun buyers to ...
Thanos
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