The Bob Cesca Show: Pulling the Fire Alarm

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Pulling The Fire Alarm: NSFW; Jacki Schechner from investigaterussia.org joins us via Skype; John Dowd resigns from Trump’s legal team; The Gaslighting; House Intel Committee votes to end its Russia probe; An actual Trump distraction; Trump antagonizing China with new sanctions; Kushner compromised by the Saudis; When Obama called Putin; When Reagan called Andropov; White House staffer pulls the fire alarm; House Dems force a vote on protecting Mueller; Reverse psychology; and much more.

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462 comments

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:50:16pm

When you realize Larry Flynt has more moral authority than the President of the United States

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Skip Intro  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:52:16pm

re: #1 Kragar

The “president” certainly appreciates the work the porn industry is doing to MAGA! It’s the only cause he’s known to donate money to.

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:53:52pm

re: #1 Kragar

Way more. Racist Grandpa is a traitor who doesn’t give a shit about this country or anyone in it except himself. I loathe him and everyone who aids and abets him.

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lawhawk  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:54:00pm

re: #1 Kragar

Adult film stars have more moral authority than Trump.

The only ones who stand by Trump think that they’re patriots. Too bad they’re patriots for a country other than the US.

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TedStriker  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:54:04pm

re: #1 Kragar

When you realize Larry Flynt has more moral authority than the President of the United States

Thing is, I believe Flynt when he says these things.

If Trump were to tell me the sky were blue, I wouldn’t believe a fucking word he said, even if he had video of it.

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JordanRules  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:56:54pm

Clueless and smug.

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wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:56:54pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:57:02pm

re: #1 Kragar

When you realize Larry Flynt has more moral authority than the President of the United States

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That brought a tear to my eye.

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lawhawk  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:58:16pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 23, 2018 • 4:59:33pm

re: #9 lawhawk

Put all of those together and you still don’t even have half a Trump.

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:11:30pm
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lawhawk  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:13:51pm
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freetoken  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:13:57pm

re: #11 Kragar

Which is why I refuse to give Facebook much info.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:14:51pm

re: #12 lawhawk

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This works great if you use a lot of cash. Us stupid millennials stick to our cards (and pay them off each month, where possible) so we need to find alternate ways.

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EPR-radar  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:15:32pm

re: #14 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

This works great if you use a lot of cash. Us stupid millennials stick to our cards (and pay them off each month, where possible) so we need to find alternate ways.

Plus a mountain of loose change is a pain in the ass to deal with.

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:16:28pm

re: #13 freetoken

“We need a cell phone.”
“No.”
“Alternative email.”
“No.”
“Import your contacts”
“Not happening.”
“You might like…”
“I don’t.”

Literally the only reason I’m on Facebook is to keep track of my Mom since my Dad passed away. Most of the other people who ask to add me as a friend, I ignore. If I wanted to have kept in contact with them, I would have.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:16:50pm

re: #15 EPR-radar

Plus a mountain of loose change is a pain in the ass to deal with.

My bank does have an automated coin machine, and if you have an account at that bank they’ll waive the fee if you deposit the slip into that account. So that’s not such a big deal, personally speaking. It’s more that my coin jar probably has less than $20 in it at any given time.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:18:12pm

re: #11 Kragar

I keep hitting a wall on actually writing articles, proper, but the other day I was considering this: no matter how it advertises itself and gussies it up, Facebook sells humint.

It’s an intelligence organization, for all intents and purposes, in an era where technology means you can use dirty tricks and build files on everyone—not just selected targets who have a specific use.

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The Major  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:21:22pm

re: #1 Kragar

One of those likes came from Flynt himself….

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Cheechako  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:22:28pm

re: #18 The Ghost of a Flea

I keep hitting a wall on actually writing articles, proper, but the other day I was considering this: no matter how it advertises itself and gussies it up, Facebook sells humint.

It’s an intelligence organization, for all intents and purposes, in an era where technology means you can use dirty tricks and build files on everyone—not just selected targets who have a specific use.

You’re right. Think ahead a little bit. What if CA’s rat fucking in elections had gone undiscovered. The 2020 election might have been for the leader of the Fourth Reich.

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TedStriker  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:29:45pm

re: #18 The Ghost of a Flea

I keep hitting a wall on actually writing articles, proper, but the other day I was considering this: no matter how it advertises itself and gussies it up, Facebook sells humint.

It’s an intelligence organization, for all intents and purposes, in an era where technology means you can use dirty tricks and build files on everyone—not just selected targets who have a specific use.

People need to understand that, in the modern electronic world, we consumers aren’t the customers of companies like Facebook, Twitter, Google, Microsoft, Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, etc., we’re the product (more specifically, our personal info is) that they’re selling to other companies (and, sometimes, governments).

All we can do, short of going completely off-grid for the rest of our lives, is to mitigate the damage and effects.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:29:55pm
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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:31:22pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:32:07pm

re: #23 Kragar

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Trump’s golf game is apparently more important than his principles.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:32:49pm

re: #24 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What principles?

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:32:56pm

re: #23 Kragar

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“Can’t I just blame the Democrats like last time?!”

“No sir, they voted to pass the bill this time.”

“I’LL ACCUSE THEM OF BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR DACA NOT BEING RENEWED!”

“*sigh* Sir, just sign the bill.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:34:16pm

re: #25 Ace Rothstein

What principles?

“Erase everything the black guy did and build a giant wall as a surrogate penis.”

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:36:18pm
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fern01  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:37:57pm

re: #24 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Trump’s golf game is apparently more important than his principles.

He has no principles - anything is always more important than nothing

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Dave In Austin  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:38:06pm

They are becoming like part of the family. Same owls, 2nd year.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:40:28pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

They are becoming like part of the family. Same owls, 2nd year.

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“Oi, would you lot keep it down? The kids are tryna sleep in here!”

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:41:14pm

If anything has amused the fuck out of me about the Omnibus Bill, it’s watching the wingnuts bug the fuck out over the failure to secure funding for The Great Wall of Trump. They’re giving Donny shit for failing to fund the wall, but not giving him shit for not making Mexico pay for it.

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fern01  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:42:14pm

Joy on MSNBC at the minute - she knows what questions to ask & how to ask them

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:42:23pm

Knew it.

He watched Chuck saying YAY.

Weakling. Imagine the pwnage going on that we have zero clue.

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Unabogie  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:46:33pm

Regarding the Atlantic and hiring a horrible person to be a writer for them. The problem is there are no more decent Republicans. If you want to allow there to be voices from both parties, that means hiring a cretin with violent and racist tendencies.

IMO, the solution is to just stop hiring Republicans until a decent one shows up.

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The Major  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:47:42pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:48:08pm

re: #9 lawhawk

Should’ve been JFK v. Clinton imho

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:49:57pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:52:04pm

re: #21 TedStriker

I’m taking that statement to the next step: that information has the greatest value not to advertisers, but to nation-states of a mind to indulge in a bit of panopticist thought-policing.

Basically, Facebook is the biggest fucking snitch in existence. (not a Harry Potter joke)

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:54:04pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:55:11pm

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EPR-radar  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:55:34pm

re: #35 Unabogie

Regarding the Atlantic and hiring a horrible person to be a writer for them. The problem is there are no more decent Republicans. If you want to allow there to be voices from both parties, that means hiring a cretin with violent and racist tendencies.

IMO, the solution is to just stop hiring Republicans until a decent one shows up.

The great both-siderist lie consists of pretending that Republicans are civilized people. Until the media stops telling this lie at nearly every opportunity, we’re likely to remain trapped in this pattern of every election being civilization vs. barbarism with the barbarians winning way too often.

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:56:31pm

heh

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:56:56pm

They will try to hold their grasp on power to their last dying breath, no matter how much tax money special legislative sessions cost.

A GOP rep in Wisconsin complained about “liberal activist judges” in the case of seats being held open. The rep had to be reminded Scott Walker appointed that judge.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:57:32pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2018 • 5:58:30pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:01:06pm

Wow what a jerk.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:02:17pm

re: #38 gocart mozart

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George Tiller was assassinated merely on the private assertion, continuously amplified by Bill O’Reilly, that he was a “baby killer.” If the government were to actually codify abortion as murder deserving the death penalty it won’t matter to many people that it wasn’t illegal in the past, vigilantes will take it as moral license to kill anybody they think had an abortion before the change in the law.

So yeah, no difference at all.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:03:50pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:04:20pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

They will try to hold their grasp on power to their last dying breath, no matter how much tax money special legislative sessions cost.

A GOP rep in Wisconsin complained about “liberal activist judges” in the case of seats being held open. The rep had to be reminded Scott Walker appointed that judge.

[Embedded content]

“We’re just going to leave those spots open until we can run Republicans for them at a more favorable time.”

“You need to abide by the laws.”

“Screw you, take it to the courts!”

“We did, you lost, now hold elections.”

“Fuck that, we’ll just change the law!”

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:06:04pm

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:07:56pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

Wow what a jerk.

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Yep, but the RWNJ-Christians who want to enslave women are very excited that they have a movement they can get behind and imagine that “the left” are hypocrites for wanting to stop school shootings, but not wanting to enslave pregnant women.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:08:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:12:32pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

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The pseudopupils are freaking me out.

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fern01  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:12:37pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

Wow what a jerk.

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And all the good christian schools that did not approve of the walkout against guns will 100% support this one - probably make it compulsory

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:12:51pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:13:25pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:15:36pm

re: #38 gocart mozart

It’s the difference between “Every woman who has, or has had, an abortion should be hanged” and “Every woman who has an abortion should be hanged”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:16:37pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:16:50pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:19:46pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Why does Pornhub allow gun videos anyway?

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:19:52pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

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But I’ve been assured again and again that the DNC are actually in a horrible spot and the GOP are gonna come from behind to win it all due to tax cuts. Are you saying I’ve been lied to?!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:21:41pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

But I’ve been assured again and again that the DNC are actually in a horrible spot and the GOP are gonna come from behind to win it all due to tax cuts. Are you saying I’ve been lied to?!

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Not if your definition of ‘lying’ excludes ‘telling what you really wish were true, despite paralyzing fear that it’s not’.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:24:16pm

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Why does Pornhub allow gun videos anyway?

Perhaps one of us can take it upon him- or herself to ask them.

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dangerman  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:24:18pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Here’s the Tip of the Day: put a big jar in your kitchen and toss all your coins in it every day. At the end of the month you’ll have enough money to pay that unexpected annoying expense that always rolls in

I haven’t spent $100 cash in 2 years

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JordanRules  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:28:40pm

re: #33 fern01

Joy on MSNBC at the minute - she knows what questions to ask & how to ask them

Whyyy is she still only on during the weekend??

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:29:13pm

re: #65 dangerman

I haven’t spent $100 cash in 2 years

ATMs in casinos in Vegas are insidious. You push the $100 button and it spits out a Franklin.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:30:38pm

re: #65 dangerman

I haven’t spent $100 cash in 2 years

I only use money or cheques. (That is what makes donating to our esteemed host so difficult for me.)

As for the coin bank method, I employ that. I bring in about twenty-five pounds of coins every so often to the bank and put them back in circulation, as all the businesses are low on coins.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:32:23pm

Someone commented over at Wonkette that Rachel Maddow just said she had a bet of tacos with her crew that Mr. Trump would pardon Gen. Flynn by Sunday.

Not sure how that would work (other than to distract from the Stormy Daniels interview). That would prevent him from invoking the 5th Amendment regarding any crimes he’s pardoned for.

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:35:10pm

Don’t fuck with Stormy on Twitter, her snark game is next level.

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Citizen K  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:39:52pm

The asshole is at it again:

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:40:22pm

Andrew McCabe goes after Donald Trump in an op-ed.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:40:41pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

Don’t fuck with Stormy on Twitter, her snark game is next level.

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“Pumpkin”….. I wonder if??????????????????

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:43:16pm

re: #71 Citizen K

The asshole is at it again:

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Sure, piss off the military before you send them to war. Not like that will backfire or anything.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:46:07pm

re: #71 Citizen K

WTF gender dysphoria

Who uses that term? enlighten me

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:47:22pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

WTF gender dysphoria

Who uses that term? enlighten me

It’s an attempt to sound all sciency.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:48:51pm

Didn’t he already do this & it’s in the courts?

gah this admin.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:49:42pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

Didn’t he already do this & it’s in the courts?

gah this admin.

Funny thing is, by using the medical term, I would assume that makes his case even worse, because that could be discrimination due to a medical condition. Pretty sure that’s a no-no.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:50:24pm

The deets

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:51:15pm

Stormy’s lawyer means business.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:51:34pm

Gah, back to REM on alexa and house cleaning.

So much more satisfying.

I’m finally learning that watching this shitshow is messing with my life.

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Skip Intro  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:51:52pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

WTF gender dysphoria

Who uses that term? enlighten me

Not Trump. Steven Miller maybe.

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:53:12pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

I’m finally learning that watching this shitshow is messing with my life.

It’s messing with all of our lives. This is not normal.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:53:41pm

re: #71 Citizen K

The asshole is at it again:

No amount of tax money will be spared in the quest by conservatives to enshrine bigotry in the law.

Who does he have advising him, Jordon Peterson and Kevin Swanson?

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:54:47pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

It’s messing with all of our lives. This is not normal.

I hope not. I would hate for it to be normal.

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Anymouse 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 6:55:00pm

I’m going to log out … my wife wants to watch a movie about a five-headed shark attack. Catch y’all later.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:00:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:02:06pm

re: #87 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:02:30pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:02:30pm

re: #87 Stanley Sea

He had to do something to get Ann Coulter back on his side.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:03:26pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:06:03pm

re: #87 Stanley Sea

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sauceruney  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:06:52pm

re: #18 The Ghost of a Flea

And when companies like Cambridge Analytica have artificial intelligence working for them, we may very well see individual people being blackmailed and manipulated in ways we can’t even imagine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:07:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:10:59pm

re: #92 Belafon

[Embedded content]

Exactly. If you as an individual don’t accept transgendered identity fine but it shouldn’t disqualify you from being able to serve your country.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:15:20pm

Headline: Trump used back-door stairs to board Air Force One

Take it away, maestro

Willie Dixon - Back door man

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:18:01pm

oh dear dog…

Schuylkill County, Pa. — The superintendent of the Blue Mountain School District in Pennsylvania is in the spotlight after telling lawmakers in Harrisburg last week that his students protect themselves against potential school shooters with rocks, according to WNEP.

“Every classroom has been equipped with a five-gallon bucket of river stone. If an armed intruder attempts to gain entrance into any of our classrooms, they will face a classroom full students armed with rocks and they will be stoned,” said Dr. David Helsel, according to the ABC station.

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:19:00pm

NRA is definitely shook.

In what can only be described as a desperate plea for attention, the NRA has released a new video that takes aim at survivors of the Parkland shooting, telling them that if their friends hadn’t died, “no one would know your names.”

The video, titled “A March for Their Lies,” was posted to NRA-TV’s YouTube channel just ahead of the student-led March for Our Lives event scheduled for Saturday in Washington, D.C.

In the clip, NRA-TV host Colion Noir lashed out at the teens who survived last month’s shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, mocking them for their youth and even taunting them about the deaths of their classmates.

Noir brought up the recent school shooting at Great Mills High School in Maryland, telling the Parkland survivors he wished an armed resource officer had been at their school “because your classmates would still be alive, and no one would know your names.”

“The media would have completely and utterly ignored your story,” Noir said, before falsely claiming that the media had not covered the school shooting in Maryland.

[…]

Continuing his desperate attack on the teens, the NRA mouthpiece turned his attention to Saturday’s march, calling it “one-sided, logic-deprived, and intellectually dishonest” and dismissing the historic event as a “festival masquerading as a march.”

Noir went on to question the motives of the students participating in the march, accusing them of wanting to “burn the Constitution and rewrite the parts that you all like in crayon.”

Picking on a bunch of kids. Big tough guys.

Also - still no Dana.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:19:56pm

h/t Daily Kos

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:24:25pm

re: #98 makeitstop

NRA is definitely shook.

Picking on a bunch of kids. Big tough guys.

Also - still no Dana.

Dear NRA, I’m sure every one of those kids would rather have their friends than be famous. But, since they instead have fame, they hope to prevent other kids from becoming famous the same way.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:25:04pm

Ongoing thread, likely to grow beyond tweets hidden behind the button

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Cheechako  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:25:11pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear dog…

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What a stupid idea. But, on the other hand, maybe a rock is better than a white board eraser.

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:30:02pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:30:36pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:30:43pm

re: #103 Kragar

Don’t worry.

He’s solve that problem by re-implementing the draft any second now….

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:30:43pm

re: #92 Belafon

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nowherenorth2  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:31:05pm

re: #103 Kragar

What a beta cuck am I right.
President Snowflake

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:31:34pm

re: #99 Belafon

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h/t Daily Kos

This is where my being a cheap fucker with a flip phone really pays off.

Well, would have paid off if I hadn’t already suspended my facebook account years ago. Since I don’t miss it at all I’ll probably pull my old pics off it and finally delete it once and for all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:33:27pm
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William Lewis  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:35:57pm

re: #98 makeitstop

NRA is definitely shook.

Picking on a bunch of kids. Big tough guys.

Also - still no Dana.

Colion Noir has taken to calling gun regulation advocates as abusing their “white privilage” and that black lives don’t matter to them. But then, like Dana, he’s decided who pays his blood money.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:35:58pm

Yes, we know what happens in Trump’s White House, and I’m in before someone says “but it’s Trump” but:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:36:47pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:37:55pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

This is where my being a cheap fucker with a flip phone really pays off.

Well, would have paid off if I hadn’t already suspended my facebook account years ago. Since I don’t miss it at all I’ll probably pull my old pics off it and finally delete it once and for all.

I just posted a comment about the above on Facebook. I’m gonna give it a few days and then delete mine. Hopefully some people will read it, but then again, I’m the asshole that puts up shit like the fact that Governor Walker is trying to subvert democracy.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:38:20pm

Fox News timewarp.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:38:59pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:40:10pm
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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:41:11pm

Thread:

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thecommodore  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:42:57pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:43:29pm

Here’s a cool cut for die-hard Bob Dylan fans, featuring the late great Tom Petty and his badass Heartbreakers

Bob Dylan ,1985 Rehearsal , That Lucky Old Sun

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:46:19pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:47:47pm

I finally got to watch this video that someone put up earlier today:

Yeah, I teared up, and I don’t do that very often.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:48:23pm

re: #120 Kragar

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Trans people serve in the military at a higher rate than Trumps. I don’t know of a single Trump who served.

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scottslemmons  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:48:37pm

re: #110 William Lewis

Colion Noir has taken to calling gun regulation advocates as abusing their “white privilage” and that black lives don’t matter to them. But then, like Dana, he’s decided who pays his blood money.

I keep expecting Dana or one of the other NRA ghouls to eventually cut a video asking people to please go shoot up more high schools.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:49:20pm

re: #120 Kragar

I’d rather bend the knee looking for spare change than grant Trump the pleasure of inhaling a single one of my farts.

I do have standards.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:51:08pm

re: #121 Belafon

I finally got to watch this video that someone put up earlier today:

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Yeah, I teared up, and I don’t do that very often.

Great ad. Would love to see the gun nuts try to tell these men and women they don’t know what they’re talking about.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:51:57pm

They’re definitely going after the kids. I’m seeing it in my TL.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:52:07pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:53:19pm

re: #110 William Lewis

Colion Noir has taken to calling gun regulation advocates as abusing their “white privilage” and that black lives don’t matter to them. But then, like Dana, he’s decided who pays his blood money.

Mr. Noir might need to go talk to the African American vets in that video, and then ask himself how many blacks have been saved by owning an AR-15? We know where black lives have been lost due to one.

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:53:32pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:53:59pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Great ad. Would love to see the gun nuts try to tell these men and women they don’t know what they’re talking about.

They’re trying. I think there was a green beret and a SEAL who tried to criticize it.

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:56:13pm

re: #130 Belafon

They’re trying. I think there was a green beret and a SEAL who tried to criticize it.

Yeah, and they both sounded pretty desperate.

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stpaulbear  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:57:41pm

re: #115 jaunte

Hannity is like some 70’s band with only one original member playing their 2-3 hits plus a bunch of covers on the casino circuit.

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The Deep State Drank All The Beer!  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:58:28pm

re: #53 Barefoot Grin

Ah, Daniel Hannan.
Or, as the British refer to him,
“a boggle-eyed, slap-headed, unpleasant, revolting, heartless, shit-brained, attention-grabbing, fetid excuse for a prick.”

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:59:13pm

re: #131 makeitstop

Yeah, and they both sounded pretty desperate.

That’s the truly insane part. They’ve been brainwashed by NRA propaganda. As if guns would disappear completely if they were regulated even as heavily as cars.

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 7:59:55pm

re: #132 stpaulbear

Hannity is like some 70’s band with only one original member playing their 2-3 hits plus a bunch of covers on the casino circuit.

“Tonight’s act… AND THE SUNSHINE BAND!”
“What happened to Kasey?”
“WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT KASEY!”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:00:44pm
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sauceruney  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:03:13pm

re: #105 The Ghost of a Flea

Don’t worry.

He’s solve that problem by re-implementing the draft any second now….

I’m sure there will be an epidemic of gender dysphoria, should he try.

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:03:19pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:04:46pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:05:38pm

re: #129 Kragar

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I blame Claude Rains. ///

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sauceruney  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:06:00pm

re: #138 gocart mozart

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I keep watching it loop, expecting to hear the background music

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ozharas  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:06:29pm

Solidarity marchs in Australia are rolling across our capital cities…

These kids are reading out names of American children killed by guns.

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:06:30pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:07:09pm

watched this on many Saturday afternoons as a kid

Spanning The Globe - CLASSIC opening theme to ABC’s Wide World of Sports

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:10:12pm
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stpaulbear  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:10:23pm

re: #135 Kragar

“Tonight’s act… AND THE SUNSHINE BAND!”
“What happened to Kasey?”
“WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT KASEY!”

“Tonight’s act… AND THE UNION GAP!”

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sauceruney  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:10:31pm

Reading over at Crooks and Liars how Giuliani’s law firm warned Bannon, Mercer, et al, that American citizens should be analyzing Cambridge Analytica’s data, and not foreign nationals. And there’s an official leaked memo.

(too lazy to go back for the link)

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:12:39pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:12:58pm

re: #137 sauceruney

I’m sure there will be an epidemic of gender dysphoria, should he try.

#AlicesRestaurantChallenge

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stpaulbear  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:13:41pm

re: #138 gocart mozart

I remember watching that happen on the original program. The guy before him took a tumble too and I think they cancelled the event after that epic crash and burn.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:15:18pm

re: #145 gocart mozart

How white does one have to be to pass the Ed Krassenstein test?

Hint: it’s white and it’s on rice.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:15:21pm

re: #147 sauceruney

“This is not some low-level paperwork, this is from the law firm of one of Donald Trump’s earliest allies, Rudy Giuliani, addressing one of Trump’s biggest donors and his future campaign manager and the now suspended CEO of this controversial firm and let me show you what we got.

He warned them, this firm, not to do something that the whistleblower told us they went on to do. Anna Scheckter obtained this memo and she pointed out that the lawyers directly advising Mercer, Bannon and Nix, right there in 2014, telling them that Nix should avoid the possibility of breaking US law and thus recuse himself of management of these American campaigns and clients involving these elections. Also warning him that the analysis of Cambridge’s trove of data should be conducted by, wait for it, US Citizens.”
crooksandliars.com

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:17:57pm

re: #138 gocart mozart

This was my skiing style.

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:20:47pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:22:33pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:23:33pm

Fuck Trump!

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:23:58pm

re: #154 gocart mozart

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:25:19pm

re: #141 sauceruney

I keep watching it loop, expecting to hear the background music

I had my kids watch Better off Dead, which first involves an explanation of who Howard Cosell was.

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:29:02pm
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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:29:21pm
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sauceruney  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:29:41pm

re: #158 Belafon

I had my kids watch Better off Dead, which first involves an explanation of who Howard Cosell was.

John Cusack’s pre-dudebro days

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gocart mozart  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:30:23pm
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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:30:30pm

Reykjavík Grapevine twitter: better than watching soccer.

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:31:47pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:32:36pm

re: #162 gocart mozart

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Definitely Scandalous.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:34:01pm

re: #154 gocart mozart

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And being a gun humper doesn’t make you hot shit, Tomi.

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sauceruney  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:34:55pm

re: #159 gocart mozart

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That’s like a whole episode of Black Mirror in one cartoon panel

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:39:43pm

From an online t-shirt ad:

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:43:25pm

re: #153 jaunte

This was my skiing style.

Turning is so much more fun.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:44:57pm

Later lizards

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:45:21pm

re: #169 teleskiguy

I need to remember to post a photo of the antiques I used to ski on.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:48:34pm

re: #170 De Kolta Chair

Later lizards

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So many will not get it. Too young.

Bravo

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:50:37pm

re: #171 jaunte

I need to remember to post a photo of the antiques I used to ski on.

I mean, you’re not that old, are you?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:50:59pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:51:30pm

re: #173 teleskiguy

When did they stop making edges in 4 inch sections?

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:53:19pm

re: #144 gocart mozart

Watched it religiously. Was very happy when The Globetrotters were on. Or Demolition Derby. :D

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:53:20pm

re: #175 jaunte

They did that?!?

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:54:20pm

re: #177 teleskiguy

I’ll get some photos. Definitely by early next week.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:56:48pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

I’m old enough to recognize the guy, and while I think I might remember his name if I think for a long time, I’m too young for it, or the movie, to immediately pop up.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:59:20pm

re: #179 Belafon

I’m old enough to recognize the guy, and while I think I might remember his name if I think for a long time, I’m too young for it, or the movie, to immediately pop up.

Ryan O’Neill

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jaunte  Mar 23, 2018 • 8:59:49pm
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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:00:24pm

re: #180 retired cynic

Ryan O’Neill

Ali McGraw. Love Story.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:01:45pm

re: #180 retired cynic

Ryan O’Neill

Thank you. Though, according to IMDB, its O’Neal.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:02:37pm

re: #183 Belafon

Thank you. Though, according to IMDB, its O’Neal.

Probably. It was spelled two ways on there.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:04:31pm

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:05:19pm

I was < 1 when Love Story came out.

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allegro  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:06:02pm

re: #183 Belafon

Thank you. Though, according to IMDB, its O’Neal.

Long time husband of the late Farrah Fawcett.

Just spent a lovely evening with a neighbor slurping mojitos and indulging in Mom Nature’s finest while watching Justice League. Stupidist damn movie I’ve seen in some time. Bummer cuz I love the characters and the actors who play them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:06:17pm

OK,is this a whole new category of “Florida Man”?

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:07:40pm

Looks like O’Neal is the way it is spelled, you are right, and I was wrong. I was certainly prime age to see Love Story, and I never did. Never liked tear jerkers…

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:10:27pm

re: #190 retired cynic

Looks like O’Neal is the way it is spelled, you are right, and I was wrong. I was certainly prime age to see Love Story, and I never did. Never liked tear jerkers…

I only found it because I first clicked through all of the O-Neil(l)s, and then typed Ryan O’. Thank gawd for auto-complete on the internet.

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stpaulbear  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:11:39pm

re: #181 jaunte

Jack Jenkins

@jackmjenkins
1. At the Washington National Cathedral’s interfaith vigil for victims, families and survivors of gun violence — a precursor to the March for our Lives tomorrow.

They’ve illuminated it orange, the color of the protest.

I’ll have to try to find something orange to wear when I go to the march in St. Paul tomorrow. They’re estimating up to 10,000 marchers for a rally at the state capitol.

I’ve got a blaze orange vest but that might not send the best message.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:12:59pm

re: #190 retired cynic

Looks like O’Neal is the way it is spelled, you are right, and I was wrong. I was certainly prime age to see Love Story, and I never did. Never liked tear jerkers…

I remember the theme song was played over and over on the radio, and for a brief time, crocheted or knit caps were the rage for women around Ali McGraw’s age.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:15:16pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:15:32pm

Ali is doing so well in Santa Fe. She has a beautiful line of clothes & jewels.

There’s a more recent post, but I love this one.

Blair Sabol is the daughter of the dude who created/started NFL films. fyi

newyorksocialdiary.com

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stpaulbear  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:16:04pm

re: #187 Belafon

I was < 1 when Love Story came out.

It’s better to have not been born yet when Love Story came out.

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Interesting Times  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:18:17pm

re: #98 makeitstop

NRA is definitely shook.

Picking on a bunch of kids. Big tough guys.

Also - still no Dana.

Perhaps because they finally uncovered her deepest, darkest secret:

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:18:35pm

re: #195 Stanley Sea

Going to a march in your area tomorrow?

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:19:17pm

re: #193 wheat-dogg

I remember the theme song was played over and over on the radio, and for a brief time, crocheted or knit caps were the rage for women around Ali McGraw’s age.

Where do I begin, to tell a story of a love …

It got involved with Al Gore, too, in that Erich Segal, who wrote it, based Oliver on a combo of Al Gore and Tommy Lee Jones, when they were all at Harvard together. It was another of those “quotes” were Al Gore was ridiculed for saying something he didn’t say, like inventing the internet.

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Interesting Times  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:23:15pm
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wheat-dogg  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:25:18pm

re: #199 retired cynic

Where do I begin, to tell a story of a love …

It got involved with Al Gore, too, in that Erich Segal, who wrote it, based Oliver on a combo of Al Gore and Tommy Lee Jones, when they were all at Harvard together. It was another of those “quotes” were Al Gore was ridiculed for saying something he didn’t say, like inventing the internet.

Wow. I never knew about those connections, or that Tommy Lee went to Harvard.

I can’t remember if I ever saw the movie, and if I did, I will deny it under oath.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:25:29pm

re: #198 Unshaken Defiance

Going to a march in your area tomorrow?

No. Work. Major deadline Mon.

At this point I’m proud i did all the laundry & put the suitcase away from trip.

I wish I could. i know people who are.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:26:42pm

re: #198 Unshaken Defiance

Going to a march in your area tomorrow?

A very large crowd is expected in Downtown LA tomorrow.

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whitebeach  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:27:17pm

re: #119 De Kolta Chair

Here’s a cool cut for die-hard Bob Dylan fans, featuring the late great Tom Petty and his badass Heartbreakers

[Embedded content]

WTF do you mean by “die-hard Dylan fans”? Are there “die-hard” Gershwin fans, or Fitzgerald fans, or Ray Charles fans, or for that matter “die-hard” Mozart or Beethoven fans?

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:28:41pm

re: #204 whitebeach

WTF do you mean by “die-hard Dylan fans”? Are there “die-hard” Gershwin fans, or Fitzgerald fans, or Ray Charles fans, or for that matter “die-hard” Mozart or Beethoven fans?

yes

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:29:15pm

re: #197 Interesting Times

Perhaps because they finally uncovered her deepest, darkest secret:

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Funny.

I think Dana’s disappeared because, after her failure with the Parkland kids, she resorted to amping up the rhetoric afterwards, until the NRA pulled her and started talking about “reasonable measures.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:31:56pm

re: #203 Joe Bacon 🌹

A very large crowd is expected in Downtown LA tomorrow.

Pershing Square is all set up. They worked on it all day Thursday and Friday. I might be able to make it. If I do I’ll post and hang out at Gen Perishing’s statue. I’ll buy any Lizard a brew if we meet. Limit 100 lol.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:33:21pm

re: #207 Unshaken Defiance

Pershing Square is all set up. They worked on it all day Thursday and Friday. I might be able to make it. If I do I’ll post and hang out at Gen Perishing’s statue. I’ll but any Lizard a brew if we meet. Limit 100 lol.

I’m a bit far away, but I’d take you up on it if I could!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:34:55pm

re: #208 retired cynic

I’m a bit far away, but I’d take you up on it if I could!

As would I!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:36:29pm

re: #207 Unshaken Defiance

Pershing Square is all set up. They worked on it all day Thursday and Friday. I might be able to make it. If I do I’ll post and hang out at Gen Perishing’s statue. I’ll but any Lizard a brew if we meet. Limit 100 lol.

I can’t drink thanks to metformin but I’m going to try to get there.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:38:37pm

re: #207 Unshaken Defiance

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wear some freaking lizard sign or something.

Hope you meet!

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:40:40pm

re: #211 Stanley Sea

Wear some freaking lizard sign or something.

Hope you meet!

Put a green football on your sign. You put a lizard on it, people may just think you like SuSE Linux.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:42:46pm

re: #211 Stanley Sea

I’ll wear my Pirates cap.

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Kragar  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:46:09pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:50:19pm

re: #121 Belafon

I finally got to watch this video that someone put up earlier today:

[Embedded content]

Yeah, I teared up, and I don’t do that very often.

After my nth viewing of the video, I just realized it does a great job of destroying the lie that the AR-15 is different from the weapons the military uses.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:53:57pm

re: #214 Kragar

I like how she turns their bullshit around on them.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2018 • 9:54:04pm
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CleverToad  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:00:58pm

re: #192 stpaulbear

I’ll have to try to find something orange to wear when I go to the march in St. Paul tomorrow. They’re estimating up to 10,000 marchers for a rally at the state capitol.

I’ve got a blaze orange vest but that might not send the best message.

Wear the vest with a sign that says something to the effect of “This shouldn’t have to be the new school uniform.”

Saw a couple of the MSD kids on O’Donnell’s show, they were saying something about a new rule requiring clear backpacks. Clear backpacks. Like someone can’t tuck a gun in between their books — or hollow out a book to hide a gun inside. With the amount of stuff the average middle or high-schooler lugs around in those bulging packs, particularly in a colder part of the country, I’d bet a clear plastic model will last two months tops.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:03:10pm

re: #218 CleverToad

Wear the vest with a sign that says something to the effect of “This shouldn’t have to be the new school uniform.”

Saw a couple of the MSD kids on O’Donnell’s show, they were saying something about a new rule requiring clear backpacks. Clear backpacks. Like someone can’t tuck a gun in between their books — or hollow out a book to hide a gun inside. With the amount of stuff the average middle or high-schooler lugs around in those bulging packs, particularly in a colder part of the country, I’d bet a clear plastic model will last two months tops.

Yeah, it’s a lame security measure, made to feel like the school is doing something. They might as well require clear plastic clothing.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:05:40pm

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:07:39pm

The PA Supreme Court Justice, a Republican who voted against the redistricting plan, had this to say:

I am very concerned by the reported filing of impeachment resolutions against justices of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania related to the court’s decision about congressional redistricting,” Saylor said. “Threats of impeachment directed against justices because of their decision in a particular case are an attack upon an independent judiciary, which is an essential component of our constitutional plan of government.”

It also has caused some of the other Republicans in the PA House to push back on impeachment, including the Speaker of the House.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:21:01pm

re: #206 Belafon

Dana looked and sounded like a nurse that smothers patients, then uses CPR to resuscitate them, just to get an attaboy from the other ward nurses.

That’s not a dig at her personal appearance. Rather her total inability to simulate genuine concern for actual fucking teenage survivors of a shooting, instead staking out the “Where’s my fucking cookie? Isn’t this about me and what I want?” territory usually occupied by sociopaths trying to negotiate with the cops by hinting where the other bodies are.

I mean, the NRA’s decided-on response to these shooting is consistently, “No, but really, we would have been awesome and brave in that situation, and those survivors should be very sorry we weren’t there, and grateful that we hypothetically could have protected then” so it’s not like her “I’ve committed necrophilia because it makes me feel powerful” diction and expression are off-point compared to the message….

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:25:42pm
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:26:03pm

And then I get outdone by:

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:28:15pm

And one more before bed:

Up too late. I tell myself I need to sleep on the weekends, and then I stay up until one or two.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:38:48pm

Wow! I just made the Freudian slip to end them all. I was going to hunt up Wayne Lapierre’s bio again. I went to Google and, rather than Wayne’s name, I absent mindedly typed “Julius Streicher” into the search box. I realized the mistake only when Streicher’s ugly mug popped up on the results page.

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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:40:45pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 23, 2018 • 10:54:00pm
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I cannot.  Mar 23, 2018 • 11:25:25pm
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freetoken  Mar 23, 2018 • 11:36:02pm

re: #229 I cannot.

The hate right is in full rant mode today about the march.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2018 • 11:45:17pm

Ex-Moritomo chief says Japan PM Shinzo Abe’s wife Akie involved in murky land deal

[…]

Mr Abe reported to Parliament on Monday (March 19) that he had asked Mrs Abe about the purported claim, and that she had told him that she said “nothing of the sort”.

He has said that he would resign as Prime Minister and lawmaker if either he or his wife were found to have been directly involved in the shady deal.

[…]

Imagine that, a single shady deal by a family member could lead to a national leader stepping down.

Why, what an innovation should it ever come to these shores.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 23, 2018 • 11:51:04pm

re: #230 freetoken

The hate right is in full rant mode today about the march.

Oh yeah, they’re definitely panicking.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 24, 2018 • 12:10:17am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 24, 2018 • 12:43:39am

re: #230 freetoken

The hate right is in full rant mode today about the march.

Hate to say it but I think there is a very real risk of violence against the March. The Marchers are well aware of this though, since many of them have received death threats from gun cultists. It is all the more to their credit that they will go ahead anyway. In fact the threats only seem to strengthen their determination.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 24, 2018 • 12:47:10am

Lubbock’s own Julius Streicher, Dr. Donald May, credits Trump with greater moral effort than the actual disciples of Jesus Christ:

Facebook Post

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 24, 2018 • 12:52:35am

Will Trump cultists take over Evangelicalism in word as well as deed, replacing Jesus with their new Savior, Donald the Trump? After all, Jesus never called for tax cuts.

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Kragar  Mar 24, 2018 • 12:52:59am

re: #235 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lubbock’s own Julius Streicher, Dr. Donald May, credits Trump with greater moral effort than the actual disciples of Jesus Christ:

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Maybe Fucknut should take that as a sign that Jesus didn’t give a flying fuck about abortions

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freetoken  Mar 24, 2018 • 12:55:09am

If Facebook has any value in the big picture of humanity, and how the historians will describe it some centuries in the future, it is this:

Facebook has provided undeniable proof that many Americans are fools and idiots.

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I cannot.  Mar 24, 2018 • 1:09:38am

re: #235 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

OK, that is some next level sucking up…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 1:20:12am

re: #16 Kragar

“We need a cell phone.”
“No.”
“Alternative email.”
“No.”
“Import your contacts”
“Not happening.”
“You might like…”
“I don’t.”

Literally the only reason I’m on Facebook is to keep track of my Mom since my Dad passed away. Most of the other people who ask to add me as a friend, I ignore. If I wanted to have kept in contact with them, I would have.

I also use FB to primarily to keep in touch with far-flung family and friends. As a rule, I only friend people I know from Real Life (TM) and wish to remain in personal contact with. I post nothing there that I would not say out loud in a public place, as there is no difference.

I do not run apps, games or take quizzes, and I do not “like” anything regardless of whether I like it in Real Life (TM) or not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 1:24:18am

re: #98 makeitstop

NRA is definitely shook.

Picking on a bunch of kids. Big tough guys.

Also - still no Dana.

Their tried-and-true tactics of attack, defame and distract are just not working like they used to…and they seem to be slow at adapting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 1:27:39am

re: #154 gocart mozart

Being anti-gun doesn’t mean you stand on a moral high ground. You’re not a social justice warrior- you just don’t like guns. Just a reminder.

straw-headed women sets up straw man argument.

“anti-gun”? what does that mean? repeal the 2A and confiscate all firearms, or just call for more responsible laws concerning sale, registration and ownership?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 1:35:50am

re: #204 whitebeach

WTF do you mean by “die-hard Dylan fans”? Are there “die-hard” Gershwin fans, or Fitzgerald fans, or Ray Charles fans, or for that matter “die-hard” Mozart or Beethoven fans?

I am a die-easy fan. I do not see fandom as a personal relationship, which is a mutual thing that changes and adapts over time as we change and grow. I like artists as long as they do things that please me and abandon them when they don’t quit.

I am a big fan of most anything Dylan did between Bringing it all Back Home and Desire and have pretty much ignored him since.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 24, 2018 • 2:20:17am
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I cannot.  Mar 24, 2018 • 3:51:58am

Regarding the stock market/trade/general insanity

realmoney.thestreet.com

It’s impossible to fathom and somehow it’s as if Trump wants it that way.

Ron Howard Voice: He does.

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freetoken  Mar 24, 2018 • 3:56:40am

Continuing my month long discourse on the problems of communicating cosmology to the general public, and of the lingering stench of creationism, here is some evidence of how misunderstood ideas in contemporary cosmology can be:

The Universe’s Beginnings
by “Pastor Kevin”.

Before you bother to click, I’ll point out that it’s a creationist trying to convince others of creationism.

But one of the problems here is that it is hosted on a website that sells itself as a general educational website, Owlcation:

Welcome to owlcation.com! We are a site created by educators and experts on topics related to education—sharing our unique expertise and knowledge about all things academic. We offer articles ranging from the ten most important moments in history to the different types of owls in Florida. If you’re looking for information that is education or academia related, we are here for you!

High ideals, but I wonder if it’s just that - all words and no action. They are a brand for HubPages, who manage several branded websites, who claim:

All articles on Network Sites will:

Provide original content, reporting, research, or analysis.

Be well written with proper grammar, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation.

Contain a logical structure that supports the message.

[…]

Anyway, our little creationist article gets by under the heading of “theology”, because it certainly wouldn’t get placed under “science” by any respectable author of science articles.

But it even fails in theology as much as it does science.

The conclusion of the article is the only real part about theology, and all of that is composed only of simple incredulity at the complexity of science…. therefore God. That’s it. A long article mostly about misunderstanding science, then a few sentences of repeating some intelligent design claim:

It is my view that it takes a lot more faith to believe any of the scientific models than it does the Intelligent Design understanding of the universe. Faith is defined as “complete trust or confidence in someone or something”. When there are so many observable discrepancies in scientific models, it is obvious to me that it takes far more faith to believe in a scientific theoretical model than a creationist or Intelligent Design model. With all the given evidence, I believe that the evidence shows that God created the perfect universe in which his creation could flourish and enjoy their existence, using and enjoying it to know more about Him.

It’s the argument from incredulity.

That’s preceded by introducing “teleological” but without any in depth discussion of the whys and wherefores of that old idea. Complete with a link, of course, to William Lane Craig.

The author pretty much gets everything wrong about science, and his few references indicate why. For example, he’s relying on a tiny blurb at a college website, to understand Steady State hypotheses, but that blurb itself is just two lifted paragraphs from the Encyclopedia Britannica. Three of his other five references are to creationist writings. The only other link he provides is to another popular-writing on Lemaître, who as is noted by everyone, was a priest. And, I claim, ultimately a creationist.

If you’re interested in some recent presentations on cosmology, the Keck Institute for Space Studies had a symposium on measuring the CMB, and while most of the presentations will not be of interest to those without a background in physics, I’ll link to one video in which the presenter is very clear about the need for humility in the field, and how a proposed “big crunch” model (which Pastor Kevin also misunderstands) may fit the data better than many currently proposed big bang models:

Comments on Cosmological Predictions

My long missives on this topic, why I continue with them, is that I am convinced that the deep programming we all undergo as children, and through life, by our society around us is so insidious that even self-aware scientists often get stuck with concepts and representations whose origins lay far into mythology.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 4:52:39am

I recall learning about science and the scientific method in the fifth or sixth grade: how you starts with a hypothesis and then test it to see if it qualifies as a theory.

We were also taught just what science can and cannot do, namely nothing that goes beyond independent, empirical proof.

When people fail to learn these distinctions and confuse scientific theory with the more popular definition of it, then any discussion of science in general is going to spin down a rathole.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 4:57:19am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall learning about science and the scientific method in the fifth or sixth grade: how you starts with a hypothesis and then test it to see if it qualifies as a theory.

We were also taught just what science can and cannot do, namely nothing that goes beyond independent, empirical proof.

When people fail to learn these distinctions and confuse scientific theory with the more popular definition of it, then any discussion of science in general is going to spin down a rathole.

A hypothesis does not become a theory. It and many other verified hypotheses form the basis for a theory.

Dalton’s hypothesis that elements combined in whole-number ratios was his tentative explanation for the mass ratios he measured. After many verifications, his hypothesis was proved to be right.

We did not then go immediately to the atomic theory of matter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:05:29am

re: #248 wheat-dogg

A hypothesis does not become a theory. It and many other verified hypotheses form the basis for a theory.

Dalton’s hypothesis that elements combined in whole-number ratios was his tentative explanation for the mass ratios he measured. After many verifications, his hypothesis was proved to be right.

We did not then go immediately to the atomic theory of matter.

One still hears the argument “But Evolution is just a theory!”

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:15:13am

re: #248 wheat-dogg

A hypothesis does not become a theory. It and many other verified hypotheses form the basis for a theory.

Dalton’s hypothesis that elements combined in whole-number ratios was his tentative explanation for the mass ratios he measured. After many verifications, his hypothesis was proved to be right.

We did not then go immediately to the atomic theory of matter.

I know I’ve explained this here before, because it bugs me, as a former science teacher, that even people who try to explain the difference between a hypothesis and theory are still fuzzy about it. If you’re going to debate a creationist or other “alternative science” crank, it is absolutely necessary to get the distinctions correct, or they will then run rings around you and confuse the discussion.

A verified hypothesis comes from experimental results. A hypothesis is very limited in scope, and be proved correct or not by experiment. Often, a null result is as informative as a positive one. A hypothesis is a tentative explanation for a particular phenomenon. Once verified by repeated experiment, the explanation is no longer tentative.

A theory is an attempt to explain a variety of related experimental results and/or observational data, and is necessarily broad in scope. Theories are accepted after rigorous examination and verification, but are still regarding as tentative explanations for the host of phenomena they attempt to explain. An experimental result or observation that contradicts the predictions of a theory can invalidate the theory, and it’s back to the drawing board.

A hypothesis is small. A theory is big.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:16:59am

re: #250 wheat-dogg

A hypothesis is small. A theory is big.

And Evolution is a theory that is proved by independent empirical observations from various sources, from genetics to taxonomy to studies of behavior.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:18:56am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One still hears the argument “But Evolution is just a theory!”

Yes, but that has to do with the popular notion of a theory. What they mean is “hypothesis,” but of course they are still wrong. Evolution is not a hypothesis, because it has been tested and verified innumerable times.

Thus, it is necessary for us reality-based people to be sure we know what is a hypothesis and what is a theory.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:22:11am

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And Evolution is a theory that is proved by independent empirical observations from various sources, from genetics to taxonomy to studies of behavior.

Technically, a theory is never “proved,” because it can be invalidated at any time by new results. A theory is tentatively accepted, until something else better comes along.

IOW, you can prove a hypothesis is right or not, but technically you can’t “prove” a theory 100%. For example, the quantum theory of matter and energy supposes a carrier particle for gravitation, the graviton. It has yet to be detected.

The creationists love to seize on that “not 100% proved” aspect of scientific theories to call into question evolution’s validity. They believe in cut-and-dried, “just so” explanations. The ambiguity of real science confounds them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:24:02am

re: #253 wheat-dogg

Technically, a theory is never “proved,” because it can be invalidated at any time by new results. A theory is tentatively accepted, until something else better comes along.

IOW, you can prove a hypothesis is right or not, but technically you can’t “prove” a theory 100%. For example, the quantum theory of matter and energy supposes a carrier particle for gravitation, the graviton. It has yet to be detected.

then let me rephrase that to say it is consistently supported by observations from all branches of science.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:29:34am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then let me rephrase that to say it is consistently supported by observations from all branches of science.

Much better.

It’s also worth noting that the various theories support each other. Evolution and continental drift, for example, are complementary theories. Stellar and planetary evolution provide the explanation how biological evolution had time to progress. I think too many non-science people assume biology, geology, astronomy, etc., are independent fields of study, with no overlaps or correlations. In fact, they inform one another.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:37:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:43:02am

oh boy…

President Trump is reportedly questioning his advisers’ advice about remaining silent on the alleged affairs he had before taking office, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The affairs are now being widely reported on the news networks that the president watches frequently, the Journal noted.

The former reality TV star has reportedly asked about the idea of fighting back against the allegations. He has also floated the idea of responding on Twitter, where he often lashes out at political opponents and defends himself against critics.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:44:24am

Since I’m pontificating here, let me add something else. Trying to explain all these points to someone largely ignorant of basic science is well nigh impossible, and takes considerable patience and careful planning. For example, before anyone can really grasp evolution they must first understand that astronomy, cosmology, physics and geology all agree that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, and that the Sun is about 5 billion years old, and the universe as a whole is about 13 billion years old. And to understand those conclusions, they have to understand the atomic theory, the concept of radioactive decay, the electromagnetic spectrum, the cosmological redshift, tectonics, erosion, stratigraphy, fusion and fission, to name but a few.

The Map That Changed the World: William Smith and the Birth of Modern Geology would be a good starting point for someone sitting on the fence between creationism and reality. It really explains how geology and biology informed each other during the 18th century, and how stratigraphy provided people like Wallace and Darwin the foundations for evolutionary theory.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:45:52am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is his own worst enemy. No wonder he loses lawyers left and right.

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The Major  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:48:21am

re: #253 wheat-dogg

Technically, a theory is never “proved,” because it can be invalidated at any time by new results. A theory is tentatively accepted, until something else better comes along.

A while back a British mathematician proved Fermat’s last theorem - would his proof be invalidated if someone came along and shot holes in his proof?

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I cannot.  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:49:28am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is no way I would ever put DJ Jr. in HER, even THOUGH she sounds SO much like Ivanka. I wouldn’t put THIS GUY in that old whore!!!

[Trump’spenis.jpg]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:54:38am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

President Trump is reportedly questioning his advisers’ advice about remaining silent on the alleged affairs he had before taking office, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The affairs are now being widely reported on the news networks that the president watches frequently, the Journal noted.

Trump is not a person to sit and listen to himself be talked about and not jump into the discussion…

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:57:40am

re: #260 The Major

A while back a British mathematician proved Fermat’s last theorem - would his proof be invalidated if someone came along and shot holes in his proof?

Theorem and theory are not the same things. Theorems are limited to mathematics.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:58:03am

re: #250 wheat-dogg

I know I’ve explained this here before, because it bugs me, as a former science teacher, that even people who try to explain the difference between a hypothesis and theory are still fuzzy about it. If you’re going to debate a creationist or other “alternative science” crank, it is absolutely necessary to get the distinctions correct, or they will then run rings around you and confuse the discussion.

A verified hypothesis comes from experimental results. A hypothesis is very limited in scope, and be proved correct or not by experiment. Often, a null result is as informative as a positive one. A hypothesis is a tentative explanation for a particular phenomenon. Once verified by repeated experiment, the explanation is no longer tentative.

A theory is an attempt to explain a variety of related experimental results and/or observational data, and is necessarily broad in scope. Theories are accepted after rigorous examination and verification, but are still regarding as tentative explanations for the host of phenomena they attempt to explain. An experimental result or observation that contradicts the predictions of a theory can invalidate the theory, and it’s back to the drawing board.

A hypothesis is small. A theory is big.

Your explanation sounds like the difference between a lemma and a theorem, and it’s purely semantics. A lemma is a ‘little theorem” but it’s still a theorem, it’s just considered to be a small step in proving a bigger one. A verified hypothesis is a ‘little theory’ but the fact that it was verified with available evidence still makes it a theory.

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I cannot.  Mar 24, 2018 • 5:58:05am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:02:10am

re: #264 Belafon

No.

A scientific hypothesis is not a scientific theory. They are defined as completely separate concepts. A hypothesis can be proved to be true or not. A theory cannot be “proved” 100%; there can be some predictions of a theory that can not be verified, but which are accepted as valid pending future verification.

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jeffreyw  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:02:13am

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Good morning!

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:06:10am

re: #260 The Major

A while back a British mathematician proved Fermat’s last theorem - would his proof be invalidated if someone came along and shot holes in his proof?

A big difference between science and mathematics is that deductions occur in mathematics - all of the theorems are derived from definitions and axioms, which means a proof is certain within it’s system - while science is deriving theories from inductions - essentially attempting to derive the definitions from observation. Deduction, in this case, is exact, while induction is approximate based on current evidence.

You can’t unprove Fermat’s Little Theorem unless you completely throw out the rules for that part of mathematics.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:08:11am

Don’t take my word for it.

What is a Scientific Hypothesis?

What is a Scientific Theory?

However, this part of the second link I do not agree is completely accurate.

Every scientific theory starts as a hypothesis. A scientific hypothesis is a suggested solution for an unexplained occurrence that doesn’t fit into a currently accepted scientific theory. In other words, according to the , a hypothesis is an idea that hasn’t been proven yet. If enough evidence accumulates to support a , it moves to the next step — known as a theory — in the and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon

That’s an oversimplification of the process.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:11:21am

re: #269 wheat-dogg

Don’t take my word for it.

What is a Scientific Hypothesis?

What is a Scientific Theory?

However, this part of the second link I do not agree is completely accurate.

That’s an oversimplification of the process.

that is pretty much what they taught us in the fifth grade.

but how many schoolkids (especially homeschooled kids) get that any more?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:13:26am

The NCSE has more concise definitions of hypothesis, theory, law and fact.

Definitions of Fact, Theory, and Law in Scientific Work
Science uses specialized terms that have different meanings than everyday usage. These definitions correspond to the way scientists typically use these terms in the context of their work. Note, especially, that the meaning of “theory” in science is different than the meaning of “theory” in everyday conversation.

Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.
Hypothesis: A tentative statement about the natural world leading to deductions that can be tested. If the deductions are verified, the hypothesis is provisionally corroborated. If the deductions are incorrect, the original hypothesis is proved false and must be abandoned or modified. Hypotheses can be used to build more complex inferences and explanations.
Law: A descriptive generalization about how some aspect of the natural world behaves under stated circumstances.
Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

ncse.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:18:23am
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:18:26am

re: #266 wheat-dogg

No.

A scientific hypothesis is not a scientific theory. They are defined as completely separate concepts. A hypothesis can be proved to be true or not. A theory cannot be “proved” 100%; there can be some predictions of a theory that can not be verified, but which are accepted as valid pending future verification.

I went and read through this, undsci.berkeley.edu, and it’s a different interpretation of hypothesis and theory than what I learned, even in my science classes, 35 years ago mind you. I was always told that a hypothesis was an unproven theory. According to this, it’s just about scale. And it seems to me that any one of them could be proven wrong later, if your evidence changes. Thanks for making me think about it.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:18:37am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is pretty much what they taught us in the fifth grade.

but how many schoolkids (especially homeschooled kids) get that any more?

Pretty much none. Most parents are ill-equipped to teach science and math, even ones who are not homeschooling for religious reasons. I’ve taught homeschooled students whose parents realized as their kids approached high school age that mom and dad were not able to prepare those kids for taking the SAT and getting into a top college. Most of those kids were very well read, well spoken, and could match their teachers in literature and history, but when it came to math and science, they were behind many of their peers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:20:47am

re: #162 gocart mozart

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The look on her face says exactly what she thinks of that!

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:21:50am

re: #273 Belafon

I went and read through this, undsci.berkeley.edu, and it’s a different interpretation of hypothesis and theory than what I learned, even in my science classes, 35 years ago mind you. I was always told that a hypothesis was an unproven theory. According to this, it’s just about scale. And it seems to me that any one of them could be proven wrong later, if your evidence changes. Thanks for making me think about it.

The problem is, many textbooks for primary and secondary students get the definitions wrong, and many teachers are fuzzy about them as well.

Since we were talking about math, a hypothesis is analogous to a geometric proof, while a theory is analogous to Euclidean geometry.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:26:10am

re: #276 wheat-dogg

The quote you copied here #269 is what I always heard.

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freetoken  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:26:39am

re: #276 wheat-dogg

Since we were talking about math, a hypothesis is analogous to a geometric proof, while a theory is analogous to Euclidean geometry.

Mmmm… I wouldn’t say that.

One thing that has become increasingly common in recent discussions over science is that there is no one “scientific method”.

Along with that assertion we have to allow for variations in how someone may use the language.

Hypotheses can be little or big, grand or insignificant. Whatever they are, the one thing they have in common is that they are propositions, assertions about something.

This is why the idea of testability became so popular. The idea being that a proposition ought to be testable.

The word “theory” is now so over used, in so many ways, that I am not too hung up on what people want to make of it, as long as it is put in context.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:27:29am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:28:20am

re: #277 Belafon

The quote you copied here #269 is what I always heard.

Yeah, it’s an oversimplification that really could confuse someone who doesn’t really understand what a scientific theory is.

“So you mean, evolution is just a guess, right?”

{Teacher hits head against desk.}

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:28:44am

The sequence I always heard was this:
1. Person makes some observations.
2. Person comes up with a hypothesis to explain the observations.
3. Person creates tests to verify hypothesis.
4. If they are verified and additionally verified by peers, the hypothesis becomes a theory.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:30:08am

re: #280 wheat-dogg

Yeah, it’s an oversimplification that really could confuse someone who doesn’t really understand what a scientific theory is.

“So you mean, evolution is just a guess, right?”

{Teacher hits head against desk.}

Even with my definition/understanding, I would go “Nooooooooo!” But then again, evolution is a theory under both of our descriptions.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:31:17am

re: #221 Belafon

The PA Supreme Court Justice, a Republican who voted against the redistricting plan, had this to say:

It also has caused some of the other Republicans in the PA House to push back on impeachment, including the Speaker of the House.

That’s good news, because they have the numbers to remove the Justices if they all vote for it.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:31:31am

Is there a word for a hypothesis/theory that hasn’t been tested yet?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:31:48am

re: #278 freetoken

Mmmm… I wouldn’t say that.

One thing that has become increasingly common in recent discussions over science is that there is no one “scientific method”.

Along with that assertion we have to allow for variations in how someone may use the language.

Hypotheses can be little or big, grand or insignificant. Whatever they are, the one thing they have in common is that they are propositions, assertions about something.

This is why the idea of testability became so popular. The idea being that a proposition ought to be testable.

The word “theory” is now so over used, in so many ways, that I am not too hung up on what people want to make of it, as long as it is put in context.

Dealing with creationists, though, you have to realize that their definition of a scientific theory is not correct. But telling them it’s not correct is like spitting into the wind, or trying to teach a pig to dance. Better to approach the concept in a more roundabout way, because no one likes to be told “you’re wrong” right off the bat.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:33:05am

re: #236 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Will Trump cultists take over Evangelicalism in word as well as deed, replacing Jesus with their new Savior, Donald the Trump? After all, Jesus never called for tax cuts.

Still remember the last time I was forced to sit in a church because of my insane Aunt and forced to listen to a Pulpit Pimp pushing Reagan’s tax cuts in 1986. He quoted Bi-Bull verses to defend eliminating Capital Gains taxes because Gawd rewards the faithful with prosperity. Especially those folks who do the sacrificial giving of doubling their tithes to Mr. and Mrs Pulpit Pimp.

Going on 36 years since I walked out of a Christian “church” and I’ll never go back not even for funerals…

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freetoken  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:34:49am

re: #281 Belafon

The sequence I always heard was this:
1. Person makes some observations.
2. Person comes up with a hypothesis to explain the observations.
3. Person creates tests to verify hypothesis.
4. If they are verified and additionally verified by peers, the hypothesis becomes a theory.

It’s a common formula but it is very limiting.

Getting back to cosmology, what has often occurred is that the data has come first, being that astronomy has been about instrumentation since forever and people love to make observations.

Post facto hypothesizing is what, I assert, has happened with the CMB. The CMB was discovered before there was a solid idea of how to hypothesize for such a thing.

And for all the additionally measurements over 5 decades since it was discovered, what has been done is increase both angular resolution, bandwidth (that is, the number of wavelengths over which it has been measured), and sensitivity (the counting of photons.) None of which has changed the very basic idea of what the CMB is, just given more data with which to work.

Thus various attempts to fit cosmological models often are looking to fit models to data that has already been collected, perhaps for other reasons.

The video I linked was to a gathering of scientists who are attempting to lay out how to improve measurements of the CMB, in an attempt to disprove the inflationary model of a “big bang”, or not.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:35:08am

re: #231 freetoken

Ex-Moritomo chief says Japan PM Shinzo Abe’s wife Akie involved in murky land deal

Imagine that, a single shady deal by a family member could lead to a national leader stepping down.

Why, what an innovation should it ever come to these shores.

It will, as soon as a Democrat is President; then the Congressional GOP will investigate the shit out of any conceivable murky deal.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:35:24am

re: #284 Belafon

Is there a word for a hypothesis/theory that hasn’t been tested yet?

Speculation. Untested hypothesis. Theories that are broadly accepted generally have been tested to some extent. Theories that are not well accepted are still regarded as tentative or “awaiting verification.” String theory would fall in the second category.

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steve_davis  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:38:05am

re: #30 Dave In Austin

They are becoming like part of the family. Same owls, 2nd year.

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It always amazes me what they’re able to do with just some scrap lumber laying around.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:39:05am

re: #287 freetoken

The Big Bang theory is still the best explanation for the CMB so far, though. The data fit the theory’s predictions/explanation very well. The CMB and the cosmological redshift together support the idea of a universe expanding from what is commonly called the Big Bang.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:41:04am
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:43:57am

re: #289 wheat-dogg

Speculation. Untested hypothesis. Theories that are broadly accepted generally have been tested to some extent. Theories that are not well accepted are still regarded as tentative or “awaiting verification.” String theory would fall in the second category.

Because all scientific discussion reminds me of an xkcd:

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:47:31am

For that Veterans for Gun Reform video in Emma’s tweet, there’s a YouTube link that might be easier to share:

U.S. Veterans are taking a stand against AR-15 style guns in the U.S. Ban Them!

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I cannot.  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:49:55am

re: #293 Belafon

xkcd is kinda like Trump tweets, there’s one for everything (almost), for the other things there’s an oglaf.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:53:04am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh boy…

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We may be seeing a tweet storm after Stormy’s 60 Minutes interview!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:54:09am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Props to them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:55:06am

re: #258 wheat-dogg

Since I’m pontificating here, let me add something else. Trying to explain all these points to someone largely ignorant of basic science is well nigh impossible, and takes considerable patience and careful planning. For example, before anyone can really grasp evolution they must first understand that astronomy, cosmology, physics and geology all agree that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old, and that the Sun is about 5 billion years old, and the universe as a whole is about 13 billion years old. And to understand those conclusions, they have to understand the atomic theory, the concept of radioactive decay, the electromagnetic spectrum, the cosmological redshift, tectonics, erosion, stratigraphy, fusion and fission, to name but a few.

The Map That Changed the World: William Smith and the Birth of Modern Geology would be a good starting point for someone sitting on the fence between creationism and reality. It really explains how geology and biology informed each other during the 18th century, and how stratigraphy provided people like Wallace and Darwin the foundations for evolutionary theory.

Good luck teaching several semesters of science to someone whose stance is “The Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 6:58:31am

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

this is just pathetic:

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:00:43am

re: #298 Big Beautiful Door

Good luck teaching several semesters of science to someone whose stance is “The Bible says it, I believe it, and that settles it!”

We had a girl at the private high school where I used to teach, and her family were Southern Baptists who were wedded to the literal interpretation of Genesis. We science teachers told her and her parents she was entitled to whatever belief she wanted, but if she expected to pass our classes, she’d have to agree to learn the scientific explanation of the creation of universe, the earth and life. The girl had an especially hard time in bio, because the teacher made a point of addressing human evolution (complete with a set of skull models), but as I recall she managed to pass that unit. I doubt she accepted it, though.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:03:05am

re: #300 wheat-dogg

We had a girl at the private high school where I used to teach, and her family were Southern Baptists who were wedded to the literal interpretation of Genesis. We science teachers told her and her parents she was entitled to whatever belief she wanted, but if she expected to pass our classes, she’d have to agree to learn the scientific explanation of the creation of universe, the earth and life. The girl had an especially hard time in bio, because the teacher made a point of addressing human evolution (complete with a set of skull models), but as I recall she managed to pass that unit. I doubt she accepted it, though.

Unfortunately people like her parents have no incentive to sit down and learn those lessons.

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freetoken  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:04:25am

re: #291 wheat-dogg

The Big Bang theory is still the best explanation for the CMB so far, though.

There’s a problem, there, which I’ve highlighted.

The “big bang” idea has had to be modified to explain things.

This is why adjectives are added to the term, such as “inflationary big bang”.

The problem some people, including me, have with such an idea is that it posits an inflaton field.

It’s very ad-hoc, in how it has to be specifically constructed to explain things, such as the apparent smoothness of the CMB, while still accounting for other things, such as the change in the acceleration of the expansion of our observable universe.

Additionally, the pictures often delivered up to the public for the “evolution” of the universe I think mislead in this regards - they posit a special kind of inflation, which may or may not be true. (The video I linked early to the KISS meeting is attempting to find ways to improve CMB measurements to find so-called B-mode polarization in the CMB, supposedly a prediction of inflation, but as that speaker I linked indicated, even that is questionable.)

And, the CMB photons do not come for the “big bang” itself. Rather the CMB is best described as evidence of the “surface of last scattering”, something which would have happened after any so called singularity big-bang followed by extreme inflation.

This all gets very technical which I why I tried to avoid the details, but I want to emphasize that the idea that there is a well set model of the time before the CMB is wrong. There are a lot of problems with any of the proposals on what happened before the CMB.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:07:01am

Ya know, I actually like abs respect people like Schwarznagger for Republicans but I think he gives guys like Kasich way too much credit and buys into the Reagan myth the GOP has created.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:10:53am

re: #302 freetoken

All points well taken, but the fact remains that the BBT is still be best operational theory so far for what we can observe. There may be tweaks and modifications which may seem ad hoc, but that’s how scientific theories operate. Few work perfectly right out of the box, so to speak. As long as the majority of scientists in the field agree the changes are merited, they become part of the theory, which — as I have repeated above — is really only a tentative explanation for observed phenomena.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:13:20am
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:19:39am

re: #295 I cannot.

xkcd is kinda like Trump tweets, there’s one for everything (almost), for the other things there’s an oglaf.

I’d never heard of oglaf, and now I have a whole lot of things to laugh at that I cannot share with anyone.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:20:54am

re: #243 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am a die-easy fan. I do not see fandom as a personal relationship, which is a mutual thing that changes and adapts over time as we change and grow. I like artists as long as they do things that please me and abandon them when they don’t quit.

I am a big fan of most anything Dylan did between Bringing it all Back Home and Desire and have pretty much ignored him since.

I ignored him for a long time, but I’ve seen him three times in the past year or so, due to reconnecting with an old friend in his organization. He takes a lot of guff for changing up his stuff too much (a lot of times you can’t tell which song he’s doing until he literally sings the chorus), and his vocal delivery has become extremely quirky.

But I find his current approach to be extremely interesting if not engaging (he still does not say word one to the crowd, ever), and I love his band. Those guys are about as versatile an outfit as any working today, and his pedal steel player Donnie Herron is virtually a one-man orchestra.

I don’t think of myself as a fan so much as an admirer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:29:58am

re: #307 makeitstop

I last saw Dylan back in the 90’s when his style and approach were much different.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:31:41am

re: #304 wheat-dogg

All points well taken, but the fact remains that the BBT is still be best operational theory so far for what we can observe. There may be tweaks and modifications which may seem ad hoc, but that’s how scientific theories operate. Few work perfectly right out of the box, so to speak. As long as the majority of scientists in the field agree the changes are merited, they become part of the theory, which — as I have repeated above — is really only a tentative explanation for observed phenomena.

I remain convinced that someday (sooner than we think) we will come up with observations and theories that make us laugh at BBT as if it were as preposterous and outdated as flat earth, phlogiston or spontaneous generation

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:37:41am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I last saw Dylan back in the 90’s when his style and approach were much different.

His recent fascination with Sinatra really interests me. It leads to some pretty awesome song choices in the live show (he’s done ‘Autumn Leaves’ all three times I’ve seen him, and ‘Why Try to Change Me Now’ pretty much sums up his entire approach these days).

The strangest thing for folks like me who remember his folkie days is that he doesn’t even have a guitar on stage any more, only playing piano or jumping up behind a mic to ‘front’ the band.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:39:47am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like she’s jealous. lol

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:41:18am

re: #310 makeitstop

His recent fascination with Sinatra really interests me. It leads to some pretty awesome song choices in the live show (he’s done ‘Autumn Leaves’ all three times I’ve seen him, and ‘Why Try to Change Me Now’ pretty much sums up his entire approach these days).

The strangest thing for folks like me who remember his folkie days is that he doesn’t even have a guitar on stage any more, only playing piano or jumping up behind a mic to ‘front’ the band.

yes, he was still playing guitar and harmonica when I last saw him.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:44:01am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remain convinced that someday (sooner than we think) we will come up with observations and theories that make us laugh at BBT as if it were as preposterous and outdated as flat earth, phlogiston or spontaneous generation

It’s possible, for sure. There are still so many aspects of the BBT that have not yet been verified, such as the graviton I mentioned earlier. The theory right now depends on the Standard Model of Particles and Interactions, which has worked very well so far. If string theory were ever verified (it’s still mostly speculation), it would require a re-assessment of the BBT, if not a whole new theory for the evolution of the universe.

That how science works. Creationists are really not comfortable with the ad hoc nature of science, because they want all their answers is nice, neat little packages. FTM, conservatives are not comfortable with the ad hoc nature of society and politics. They want everything to remain static, relative to some mythical golden age when society and politics were “just right.”

The only sure things are death, taxes and change.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:44:30am

re: #311 GlutenFreeJesus

Sounds like she’s jealous. lol

Or projecting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:45:23am

re: #313 wheat-dogg

That how science works. Creationists are really not comfortable with the ad hoc nature of science, because they want all their answers is nice, neat little packages. FTM, conservatives are not comfortable with the ad hoc nature of society and politics. They want everything to remain static, relative to some mythical golden age when society and politics were “just right.”

The Church’s problem with Galileo was that his discoveries might upset the political-theocratic order of things.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:47:54am

So we all agree that the only reason Trump signed the omnibus bill yesterday is so that he could golf all weekend…

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:49:33am

Morning.

Kinda excited to see the March4Life turnout today, both in DC and here in Columbus where a big rally for local students and others is being held downtown at a park along the riverfront.

Let the NRA, gun nuts, wingnuts, conservatives and Republicans know how you feel and how you are in it for the long run.

You are an inspiration to many who will follow.

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I cannot.  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:49:48am

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Isn’t that the main reason he does anything?

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:50:02am

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

So we all agree that the only reason Trump signed the omnibus bill yesterday is so that he could golf all weekend…

and avoid those pesky kids

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:51:16am
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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:53:54am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Church’s problem with Galileo was that his discoveries might upset the political-theocratic order of things.

Right. Interestingly enough, the church didn’t really object to his conclusions, as the church had after all commissioned Copernicus’ research in the first place. Galileo pissed off the church by calling into question its authority (during the Counter-Reformation, mind you) with publications for the lay reader in the vernacular. Then he compounded the situation by refusing to recant until the bitter end.

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wheat-dogg  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:55:30am

re: #320 jaunte

9.75 million is about the population of New York City. Imagine if everyone in the City had a gun. Population would decrease quickly. //

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Archangelus  Mar 24, 2018 • 7:58:58am

re: #320 jaunte

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:09:38am

Just reading down through the thread and saw the comment/tweet with Elon Musk deleting his companies Facebook pages. That’s big.

I wonder what Zuckerberg is doing today? So far his responses have been weak. I don’t know if he is actually capable of getting people to think he cares about their concerns. And, does he really care because sharing the data is his companies real business model. If it is too private he loses the data collection needed for his real money making.

The 2016 election fallout is going to lead to big changes in social media. I wonder if it opens up new platforms based on the needs for privacy and for culling out fake crap and hurts the designs of the current biggies like Facebook and Twitter.

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dangerman  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:10:42am

apropos of last nights comments about love story,

erich segal was marathoner. he probably ran boston 20 times.

and he was an NBC track and field commentator for the 72 and 76 olympics

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:13:04am

YES

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mmmirele  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:14:11am

So this happened:

We Need an Independent Investigation of Sovereign Grace Ministries
Allegations of child sexual abuse and staff cover-up continue to swirl. Let’s set an example for all churches to follow, bringing healing to victims and churches alike.

christianitytoday.com

This is an op-ed piece by the editor from the house organ of American Evangelicalism, Christianity Today, which was founded by Billy Graham.

However, Sovereign Grace Ministries (now Churches) says in its response that they can’t investigate churches that have left their organization, nor do they really have a way to investigate independent churches that are in their organization. But, they admit the following:

Secondly, SGC is a denomination consisting of 72 churches, each of which is individually constituted and governed by its own board of elders. While there is a specific process by which a charge may be submitted against an elder by any current or former SGC church member, SGC leadership has no authority to mandate an investigation by an outside authority upon all of our churches. We are therefore unable to authorize an independent third-party investigation of SGC and its churches.

sovereigngrace.com

See the dodge? They can’t investigate the churches, but they could investigate an elder if a charge was brought. And gosh, C.J. Mahaney, who once head of Sovereign Grace Churches (when it was “Ministries”) and the lead pastor of one of the churches that has since left Sovereign Grace, well he is STILL a Sovereign Grace pastor.

As some of you may remember, I am going to Louisville to picket “Together for the Gospel 2018” in a couple of weeks. Mahaney was going to speak, but he was pretty much forced to withdraw after Rachael Denhollander spelled out the very real questions around his leadership. Still going; Sovereign Grace is going to be at this preacher convention and, in any case, one of the other speakers (John Piper) said a week ago that egalitarianism (where husband and wife are equal in the marriage) was the cause of so much sexual abuse today. *rolls eyes strongly*

This is getting long, so I’ll just get to the point. Five miles from my house is one of the two Sovereign Grace churches in Arizona. And the pastor is also the “director of global missions” for the denomination. So I thought I’d bring their dodging and weaving directly to their doorstep, or, more specifically, to the sidewalk outside Sovereign Grace Gilbert. Here are my signs.

Tired of this nonsense. I’d rather sit around in my underwear on a Sunday morning, but tired that there’s no accounting and that Mahaney was, up until a couple of weeks ago, still scheduled to speak at a big preacher convention. He should be toxic if he won’t consent to an investigation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:15:55am

re: #324 ObserverArt

The 2016 election fallout is going to lead to big changes in social media. I wonder if it opens up new platforms based on the needs for privacy and for culling out fake crap and hurts the designs of the current biggies like Facebook and Twitter.

It needs to be accompanied by big changes in how people see and use social media: not to use it as a source of news on politics or current events at all, but as a place for keeping up on social events: friends, family, culture, etc…

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:22:49am

About that Uber fatal crash via an autonomous vehicle-
Harsh but accurate-

I was trying to give Uber the benefit of the doubt. I was wrong.
Not only was I wrong, but The Human Driving Manifesto—which I jokingly wrote in response to the ever increasing storm of self-driving clickbait—was more accurate than I ever could have guessed, because now that the Tempe police have release dashcam footage of the fatal crash, all of the following points are perfectly clear:
Uber is guilty of killing Elaine Herzberg.
Uber’s hardware and/or software failed.
Many people at Uber need to be fired.
The Arizona officials who greenlit testing need to resign.
One or more people need to be prosecuted.
The SAE Automation Classification System is vague and unsafe.
Uber is the Theranos of self-driving.
Volvo—one of the few car makers that truly cares about safety—is innocent and shouldn’t be in bed with their craven opposites.
Even if you believe self-driving cars may someday reduce road fatalities—and I do believe that—this dashcam video is an icepick in the face of the argument that anyone at Uber gives a damn about anyone’s safety, including that of their own test drivers.

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dangerman  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:25:51am

re: #320 jaunte

Half of all guns are owned by 3% of Americans. That’s roughly 9.75 million people.

The AMC Theaters rewards program has 10 million members.

Your kids’ lives are subsidizing a doomsday cult smaller than the group who gets popcorn upgrades at Black Panther

numeracy in action

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dangerman  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:28:32am

re: #322 wheat-dogg

9.75 million is about the population of New York City. Imagine if everyone in the City had a gun. Population would decrease quickly. //

nah - if everyone knew everyone else had a gun it would be nothing but peace, harmony and kumbaya

because something something we are / would somehow be scared of other people with guns

//

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plansbandc  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:31:47am

From Reddit, a cat bathed in light through a stained glass window…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:35:06am

re: #329 Unshaken Defiance

About that Uber fatal crash via an autonomous vehicle-
Harsh but accurate-

That article is throwing around a lot of hyperbole that’s kind of obscuring the argument they’re trying to make. I get it, the author is pissed off because the dashcam video shows a completely negligent safety driver and that the automated systems appeared to take no corrective action prior to hitting her, but the gist of his argument seems to be along the following lines:

The car should have seen her. If it didn’t, Uber is responsible for not equipping it properly to see her. If it did, Uber is responsible for whatever technical issue occurred that caused it not to respond.

I’m not comfortable with that argument. In my opinion, if it is judged that an alert and capable human driver could not have avoided the pedestrian, I’m not sure that we should be holding self-driving technology to a higher standard just yet. The tech is still in its infancy; the sensors have limitations, the programming isn’t clearly defined, there’s just too many variables to confidently say that it is, or reasonably should be, better at predicting these kinds of situations than a human being. It’s a horrible tragedy, it’s a learning experience for all of us in the tech fields - this is an artificial intelligence programmer’s literal worst nightmare - but I’m not ready to say just yet that we should burn them all at the stake because of one high-visibility, poor-optics incident.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:37:06am

Just watched a bit of the live stream from the Columbus March4Life event. Big turnout and it appears to be people of all ages and politics. I saw signs from Sportsman for Gun Control, Republicans for Gun Control and the woman speaking when I had it on lost her husband to a gun shooting and he was an NRA member/gun advocate…a good guy with a gun.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:38:58am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:49:41am

re: #329 Unshaken Defiance

About that Uber fatal crash via an autonomous vehicle-
Harsh but accurate-

Interesting. One thing I would mention is Volvo is not one of the only companies that care about safety. There are others that make cars as safe as a Volvo.

Outside that, all the rest are good points and it looks like it may be back to the drawing board for some of the sensors and systems.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:53:14am

re: #333 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Maybe we will agree to disagree. I think that when lives are lost (car, airplane, boat, gun, milling machines) due in major part to design flaws or technological culpability comes with real consequences. Manslaughter and civil liability are critical checks on bad design, dangerous technology going wrong etc. Built right, runs right and fails safely. Like what we demand of tanked water heaters. Computer monitor and control? Okay if you want but you will be keeping the pressure release valve or you won’t be allowed to have a pressure vessel in a residence.

There is a premise that autonomous cars are a good idea. Like the author I reject the idea. It’s fundamentally dangerous at the present time and foreseeable technological future. Arizona has already passed rules that allow the cars to not have a safety driver. Who, by the way given they have nothing to do for 99.99% of the time and therefore have very little chance of maintaining the situational awareness required.

Augmented driving like what we do (proven over time) in aviation is a far better plan. The heart of autonomous vehicle tech promotion is sales. The rationale will run from human error to making it hard to have a getaway car in a crime. “Save the children” from DUI drivers etc. What if 80 billion went into safety augmentation, road design and driver training? One can argue that is at least as good as Ai automony at freeway speeds at increasing safety.

The fundamental flaw, irreversible by definition here is that safety increases when humans are less aware. Less able to act. Less educated less trained.

Pilotless airliner anyone? A lot less cross traffic, zero pedestrians and we already take off and land hands off.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:53:50am

re: #41 teleskiguy

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:55:23am

re: #336 ObserverArt

Interesting. One thing I would mention is Volvo is not one of the only companies that care about safety. There are others that make cars as safe as a Volvo.

Outside that, all the rest are good points and it looks like it may be back to the drawing board for some of the sensors and systems.

Mercedes big time.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 8:58:31am

re: #339 Unshaken Defiance

Mercedes big time.

Almost all of the German cars are pretty safe. Some of the Japanese are pretty good too. The American cars are doing pretty well these days too.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:01:08am

re: #337 Unshaken Defiance

See, your post here, I agree with. I have never truly been comfortable with the idea of completely autonomous, driverless cars. And it’s obvious that the “safety driver” concept as Uber implemented it isn’t working the way it needs to. What I disagree with is the contention that the design of this automated driving system is fundamentally flawed, and that it should not have been used. I would argue instead that the liability lies in the failure to define the true capabilities of the system in a controlled environment prior to live-environment testing. To me, the problem wasn’t in the technology itself, but in its being put to use without clear definition of what it can and can’t do, resulting in there being significant doubt about what actually happened. Don’t blame Uber for not building a car that could see this pedestrian; blame Uber for not developing a comprehensive training and information program for a potentially highly dangerous system.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:02:20am

re: #327 mmmirele

The sad truth is that these Pulpit Pimps will continue to live their flock fleecing tax-exempt lifestyle. And if they are caught doing naughty things, Catholic bishops will shuffle the naughty boys to another parish, Christian preachers will do the Jimmy Swaggart thing with the tears every time they’re caught doing The Wild Thing and other cults (The Family, Soka Gakkai, $¢ientology, Hare Krishna, and so on…) will continue promising pie in the sky when you die as long as you unconditionally follow the leaders and let them drain your bank accounts!

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:03:22am

re: #340 ObserverArt

ALmost all of the German cars are pretty safe. Some of the Japanese are pretty good too. The American cars are doing pretty well these days too.

They are. Maybe it’s time to look a little further for safety.

In the fatal case at hand above was the answer really as simple as that stretch of road being well lit? Would help optical sensors and the safety driver react in time. Food for thought, just cause I’m outta here soon to get something to eat and then go participate in our Democracy.

Edit last point

The perfect car of the future isn’t one without a steering wheel. The perfect car of the future is self-driving when we allow it, and—if and when we choose to take the wheel—won’t let us harm anyone else.
“Perfect” systems are fallible, but so are we, which is why the best system must combine the best of human and machine intelligence. If self-driving cars demonstrably safer than humans ever arrive, they will do so in fits and starts, over many decades, which is why we must deploy partial automation, as it manifests, in harmony with human nature.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:06:30am

re: #341 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

…To me, the problem wasn’t in the technology itself, but in its being put to use without clear definition of what it can and can’t do, resulting in there being significant doubt about what actually happened….

Yes indeed, and thanks for seeing that.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:09:02am

Here is a picture of the Columbus March4Life event from NBC Channel 4.

It looks like this was taken as the crowd was ready for the parade part of the event where they will march to the Statehouse and by City Hall across the river and back to the park.

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Alephnaught  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:12:07am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh boy…

[Quote from The Hill’s story] The former reality TV star has reportedly asked about the idea of fighting back against the allegations. He has also floated the idea of responding on Twitter, where he often lashes out at political opponents and defends himself against critics.

I like that’s he’s referred to as a “former reality TV star”, rather than, say, “President of the United States”. BTW Am I the only one who reads the phrase “former reality TV star” with the emphasis on “former reality”?

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:14:20am

re: #335 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Lets pretend for a moment the Clintons do have an open marriage. BFD; its their marriage, they are private citizens, and this is just another lame attempt to distract from the corrupt sexual predator in the WH.

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mmmirele  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:16:05am

Before this past week, I used to see convoys of Uber Volvos (the “self driving cars”) cruising north on Priest Dr. and turning right on University and heading down into the Arizona State University area. I haven’t been a fan of the self-driving cars, but mostly because our governor, Doug Ducey, lured these guys here with a promise of “less regulation than California!”

But maybe more death.

My job for the evil too big to fail bank is to investigate computing failures and recommend ways to improve the environment. So I found Alex Roy’s article very interesting and I think he’s asking the right questions. What concerns me is that because of the combination of self-driving car mania and let’s toss out all the regulations, the investigation of Elaine Herzberg’s death at the hands of a Uber self-driving vehicle might be investigated less thoroughly than one of my technical issues.

And that concerns me. I do know that when the Uber self-driving Volvos return to the streets in Tempe (and return they will, the political pressure is on), I’ll be giving them the side-eye.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:21:42am

Looks like a nice day in D.C.. We are having the second big winter storm of Spring this week here in Kentucky.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:24:23am

re: #348 mmmirele

Before this past week, I used to see convoys of Uber Volvos (the “self driving cars”) cruising north on Priest Dr. and turning right on University and heading down into the Arizona State University area. I haven’t been a fan of the self-driving cars, but mostly because our governor, Doug Ducey, lured these guys here with a promise of “less regulation than California!”

But maybe more death.

My job for the evil too big to fail bank is to investigate computing failures and recommend ways to improve the environment. So I found Alex Roy’s article very interesting and I think he’s asking the right questions. What concerns me is that because of the combination of self-driving car mania and let’s toss out all the regulations, the investigation of Elaine Herzberg’s death at the hands of a Uber self-driving vehicle might be investigated less thoroughly than one of my technical issues.

And that concerns me. I do know that when the Uber self-driving Volvos return to the streets in Tempe (and return they will, the political pressure is on), I’ll be giving them the side-eye.

I figure Arizona will regulate autonomous cars just like they do guns. Barely at all. GTG time to go to the march

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:26:17am

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

Skipping forward, Karen Tumulty has a good piece in WaPo, about not going high, but going lower: washingtonpost.com

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:27:44am

Kittens at 5 weeks today

5 week old kitts
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:28:47am

re: #352 Eventual Carrion

Kittens at 5 weeks today

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You seem to have accumulated some lint on that knit blanket.///

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:30:03am

re: #347 Big Beautiful Door

Lets pretend for a moment the Clintons do have an open marriage. BFD; its their marriage, they are private citizens, and this is just another lame attempt to distract from the corrupt sexual predator in the WH.

Palin has enough issues with her own family. How about you take care of those Sarah.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:32:42am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:34:10am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:36:40am

re: #356 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m more surprised there was someone in the White House sane enough to write that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:36:58am

re: #335 Joe Bacon 🌹

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What’s the Bible say about stones, Sarah? I don’t think Bill or HRC have commented on your family’s escapades.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:38:34am

Would have gone to DC today but one of my academic mentors was doing a book signing and presentation. He’s still a great teacher after all these years and we did a selfie together that was sent to my poli sci teacher.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:43:44am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:51:34am

Yes, it really is. We can all see it, in the continued bashing of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren. That he can’t see/won’t acknowledge it, either in his party or himself, is what makes him just ‘enemy of my enemy’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:52:03am
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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:52:28am

So, the students couldn’t get the National Mall today. Didn’t need it. They have filled the streets.

The one young lady summed it up for the NRA and the politicians when she said “This is not a red or blue issue, this is a moral issue.”

Damn right it is, and I think a lot of people are seeing too many of the current politicians have no morals, especially with the President and the two Congressional leaders of the House and Senate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:53:51am
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:55:37am

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

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Yes, it really is. We can all see it, in the continued bashing of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren. That he can’t see/won’t acknowledge it, either in his party or himself, is what makes him just ‘enemy of my enemy’.

He claims he voted for Hillary, so he’s allowed any criticism of her he wants (he’s an expert, donchaknow).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:56:14am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:56:54am

Logging off Facebook. Disgusted with all the Russian Bot and RepubliKKKlan posts about Soros money, Hillary hate, Snowflake Tiny Penis Club members, Stormy haters, FAUXbots, etc…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:57:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:58:41am
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jaunte  Mar 24, 2018 • 9:59:49am
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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:00:19am

These kids speeches are pretty powerful. They have me all emotional. I hope they are causing the same reactions in many an American.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:00:23am

re: #365 Barefoot Grin

He claims he voted for Hillary, so he’s allowed any criticism of her he wants (he’s an expert, donchaknow).

He’s an expert, but in a field where people with equal expertise differ on the conclusions. He’s not an expert on electoral politics, nor even on his own party, which he thinks Trump ‘hijacked’, rather than personified.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:00:25am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:01:46am
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jaunte  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:03:52am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:03:54am

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

What they say: “We want commonsense gun laws and mental health reform. We are holding town halls the next two weeks, if our elected officials do not come, we will invite their opponents.” We are changing titles from Congressmen to Former Congressmen.”

What the NRA tells you they mean:

“We want to repeal the 2A and confiscate all weapons. The deep state will stage a coup at our behest and round up all who oppose us!”

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stpaulbear  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:03:55am

Here’s the scene at the MN State Capitol at about 11:00 today. I’ve got more pix that I’ll try to post later today.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:06:34am
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jaunte  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:07:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:07:48am

Kentucky kids:

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:08:23am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:08:31am

Talked to my old teacher. He said about 1/3 of his 150 students are there. He’s done well. He helped me become more interested in the civics process.

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:12:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:14:26am

re: #383 jaunte

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love the sign: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun…is a student with a ballot”

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:15:55am

Trump besieged by himself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:16:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:17:27am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:18:51am
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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:20:29am

Wow, the 11 year old young lady had amazing composure getting up on that stage and being heard by not only the larger crowd in front of her, but the all the people watching media all over.

11 years old. Probably matured by the grim reality of what she speaks. These kids have had to grow up too fast. It is no wonder they are speaking out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:23:44am

re: #389 ObserverArt

Wow, the 11 year old young lady had amazing composure getting up on that stage and being heard by not only the larger crowd in front of her, but the all the people watching media all over.

11 years old. Probably matured by the grim reality of what she speaks. These kids have had to grow up too fast. It is no wonder they are speaking out.

I am just glad that somebody sane has wrestled control of the message and the narrative from the NRA. Funny that it took school students to do the job.

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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:24:17am

Found someone else who is inspiring! Dorothy Steel, who started acting at age 88, and played an elder in Black Panther! washingtonpost.com

At my tender age, I’m inspired! (Not to act, but to keep working!)

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:27:35am

SF march doesn’t start for another 2.5 hours, by which time everyone else will have gone home, but I’m going anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:27:57am
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:28:30am

re: #356 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

They’re also trying to diminish it: “Look, those kids are exercising their first amendment rights, why can’t others exercise their second amendment rights as well?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:28:55am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:30:13am

Has anyone heard about the “March for Our Guns” that’s also supposedly happening some places today?

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:31:09am

The sidewalk is jammed with people, 5th street packed solid at Hill with people. Slow internet is killing my typing. Cells at capacity

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:31:11am

re: #396 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Has anyone heard about the “March for Our Guns” that’s also supposedly happening some places today?

You mean the “My 2A Rights Trump Your Dead Schoochilden” march?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:31:13am

re: #396 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Has anyone heard about the “March for Our Guns” that’s also supposedly happening some places today?

Nope. Which tells me that it must be about 10 different kinds of fail.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:31:18am

re: #396 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Has anyone heard about the “March for Our Guns” that’s also supposedly happening some places today?

Please tell me you’re joking.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:33:07am

Man, that crowd in DC looks like it’s about to rival a certain recent inauguration crowd.

Here’s hoping some fat old former reality TV star notices, and I hope it ruins his weekend.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:33:40am

So how much did Soros spend on all these protesters?

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:34:20am

I wonder how many of these young leaders will be seen running for congress in 15 to 20 years. I hope many. They are better politicians than some office holders in that big building behind them.

I’m ready to vote for a few of them right now.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:34:38am

re: #400 Eclectic Cyborg

Please tell me you’re joking.

I wish I were. Heard something about one in Montana, and there’s a schedule posted. Maybe that’s the only one (hope springs eternal).

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:35:42am

Some of these signs are great.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:37:26am

Looks like a good crowd. Beautiful but cold spring day here in Dc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:37:29am

JFC…

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:37:56am

re: #401 makeitstop

Man, that crowd in DC looks like it’s about to rival a certain recent inauguration crowd.

Here’s hoping some fat old former reality TV star notices, and I hope it ruins his weekend.

That’s probably why they were not able to use the National Mall. Overhead crowd photos might have proven they did get more people out than Trump.

Trump would not have been able to take that, so he must be protected.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:39:08am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC…

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But he went a week without saying shit about Austin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:40:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:41:23am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:41:48am
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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:41:51am

re: #400 Eclectic Cyborg

Please tell me you’re joking.

I found a “March for Our Guns” page on facebook for a rally on April 7 in Billings, Montana

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:43:31am

re: #414 Big Beautiful Door

Projected turnout: 12 old white guys.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:43:36am

re: #413 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WATCH: Tucker Carlson slams Florida shooting survivors as “extremist”

“Because they want to abolish the Second Amendment and make us ripe for a Deep State coup!”

Nobody outside your bubble is buying this shit anymore.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:43:44am

Oh, they just rolled out the big guns…MLK’s granddaughter. She did a great job.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:47:05am

re: #413 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Uh huh and your views on immigrants aren’t?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:47:43am

re: #414 Big Beautiful Door

I found a “March for Our Guns” page on facebook for a rally on April 7 in Billings, Montana

Talk about a safe space.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:48:24am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

Uh huh and your views on immigrants aren’t?

No, they’re patriotic motherfucker!

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:48:26am

Going live on Twitter fwiw

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Interesting Times  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:49:04am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:49:34am

re: #417 ObserverArt

Oh, they just rolled out the big guns…MLK’s granddaughter. She did a great job.

FNC will bring out MLK’s wingnut niece.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:49:49am

re: #422 Interesting Times

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Whoa!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:55:30am

re: #417 ObserverArt

Oh, they just rolled out the big guns…MLK’s granddaughter. She did a great job.

These kids have a dream…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:56:45am

re: #424 HappyWarrior

Whoa!

Trump dreams of being able to draw crowds like this.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:58:05am

re: #422 Interesting Times

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What’s the source for this? I would rather not give the right-wing nutjobs any wiggle room to argue this. You know they won’t want to admit the magnitude of this march or the movement behind it.

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scottslemmons  Mar 24, 2018 • 10:58:42am

re: #426 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump dreams of being able to draw crowds like this.

Don’t worry, he’ll eventually start posting these same pictures and claiming they all wanted to get into his rallies in Slapout, OK.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:01:01am

re: #415 Eclectic Cyborg

Projected turnout: 12 old white guys.

12 year old white guys of all ages.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:01:22am

re: #274 wheat-dogg

(chiming in late as usual…..)

that is the prime reason I didn’t pull my son out of middle and high school to homeschool him. He was being bullied, but he also didn’t want to “let the assholes win. I have a right to be here just as much as these motherfuckers do”. Yes, he has my mouth, lol. I knew I couldn’t get him through math. Science was fine, I love that subject and know where to look for info if I need to. But the math was insane, a tutor I hired from the college close to us, who was a math whiz couldn’t understand half of it. It was a rough time, but we got him through high school and graduated in 2012.

In GA, the ONLY requirements for homeschooling your kids is that you be a high school grad and fill out the paperwork the state requires. That’s not even close to enough.

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Big Beautiful Door  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:01:50am

re: #426 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump dreams of being able to draw crowds like this.

He’ll tweet some kind of congratulations on the March taking credit for it, I’m sure.

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William Lewis  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:02:00am

Today’s marches are, more than anything else, a reminder of why Betsy was put in charge of destroying public education; when done right the kids grow up well educated, confident and unwilling to kowtow to the liars that have buffaloed their elders. They know they’ll be voting soon and Rubio, one of many, will have to find a real job instead of stealing from the public.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:02:49am

re: #432 William Lewis

Today’s marches are, more than anything else, a reminder of why Betsy was put in charge of destroying public education; when don right the kids grow up well educated, confident and unwilling to kowtow to the liars that have buffaloed their elders. They know they’ll be voting soon and Rubio, one of many, will have to find a real job instead of stealing from the public.

There’s a reason why there’s a correlation between education and voting patterns.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:03:17am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

FNC will bring out MLK’s wingnut niece.

I get the feeling that Fox News is losing some power today.

If Rupert’s sons have any business sense at all they have to see a whole generation is not going to be tuning in. They have to see a dying business model.

Do they want a future? Start by dumping Hannity, Carlson and The Fox Friends. Or, go away.

Heh, I have never seen anyone so overcome with emotion to upchuck on national TV, admit it, and then say it was great. Wow. What a day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:04:47am

Chris Matthews just did a nice dig at the yam about jamming small venues so there’s an outside overflow to make the crowds look bigger than they really are.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:05:07am

Dang, even ol’ crusty Chris Matthews has a tear in his eye brought on by the young lady throwing up and then signing Happy Birthday to a kid that was killed at Parkland. He said it…raw emotion.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:06:51am

re: #434 ObserverArt

I get the feeling that Fox News is losing some power today.

If Rupert’s sons have any business sense at all they have to see a whole generation is not going to be tuning in. They have to see a dying business model.

Do they want a future? Start by dumping Hannity, Carlson and The Fox Friends. Or, go away.

Heh, I have never seen anyone so overcome with emotion to upchuck on national TV, admit it, and then say it was great. Wow. What a day.

That’s a good point.

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William Lewis  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:08:57am

re: #434 ObserverArt

Heh, I have never seen anyone so overcome with emotion to upchuck on national TV, admit it, and then say it was great. Wow. What a day.

Heh. I was active in the peace movement in 80-82 (before joining the Army but that’s a story for another day) and I can sympathize. I was used to public speaking - debate, forensics, etc - but it’s still another thing to stand up in public and tell your congressman to his face that he’s either lying or fallen for lies. To be on TV calling out the President. These kids have the kind of courage most people never find out if the have or not.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:08:59am

Meanwhile in the Fox News dumpster fire/comment section:

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Interesting Times  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:11:22am

re: #427 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What’s the source for this? I would rather not give the right-wing nutjobs any wiggle room to argue this. You know they won’t want to admit the magnitude of this march or the movement behind it.

True. I’m not 100% sure how reliable a source that tweet is. I checked the comments and no one’s posted a backed-up denial or confirmation yet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:11:34am

All of the major news outlets have the March for our Lives as the top story…except Fox. Fox has a top story about Vladimir Putin.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:12:50am

re: #438 William Lewis

Heh. I was active in the peace movement in 80-82 (before joining the Army but that’s a story for another day) and I can sympathize. I was used to public speaking - debate, forensics, etc - but it’s still another thing to stand up in public and tell your congressman to his face that he’s either lying or fallen for lies. To be on TV calling out the President. These kids have the kind of courage most people never find out if the have or not.

I have done a few speeches in my time. I ran and was elected junior class president. I ran for student council president the next year and had to address the whole school. I was nervous as hell. No way I had the ability to do and say what these students are doing on this day.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:14:40am

re: #439 Eclectic Cyborg

Meanwhile in the Fox News dumpster fire/comment section:

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We’ll see how smug they are when they lose Congress and these kids are a big part of why.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:15:24am

re: #441 Eclectic Cyborg

All of the major news outlets have the March for our Lives as the top story…except Fox. Fox has a top story about Vladimir Putin.

I’m surprised they’re not running a story on the Clintons.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:16:20am

DC is hardly a ghost town when Congress isn’t in session but what do you expect from right wingers who live in a bubble?

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:19:39am

I get the feeling some of these kids learned their dynamic speaking chops from watching President Obama. The young Black student up there right now seems to be of that school.

He said “Violence can not be stopped by violence…only by peace.”

Got that NRA? Guns do not stop guns.

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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:20:11am

While Trump is in hiding at his golf course,

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:21:00am

re: #447 Skip Intro

While Trump is in hiding at his golf course,

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Cernovich sees the writing on the wall.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:22:14am
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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:23:02am

There around a dozen NRA inspired counter protestors outside Trump’s hotel in DC. The kids are ignoring them.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:23:50am

re: #450 Skip Intro

As they should.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:24:56am

re: #450 Skip Intro

There around a dozen NRA inspired counter protestors outside Trump’s hotel in DC. The kids are ignoring them.

Good.

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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:26:14am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

Cernovich sees the writing on the wall.

That is big. I hate the son of a gun, but if this is getting through to him, it will trickle down amongst his followers.

I would love to be in some of the homes of the current GOP congresspeople. They may talk tough, put down the students and hope this all goes away. But they are seeing this, one way or another, and it has got to be making them nervous.

As young David Hoog said in his speech today…”polish up those resumes.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:27:40am
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Skip Intro  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:27:55am

Bill Mitchell is back to the “tick” side of his pendulum swings.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:29:17am

re: #455 Skip Intro

Bill Mitchell is back to the “tick” side of his pendulum swings.

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Haha.

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mmmirele  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:31:03am

This woman had her two children (aged 5 and 7) in the car with her when she sped up and hit a pole. Her goal was to prove “God is real.”

wsbtv.com

It was caught on a traffic camera. The kids told the cops what was up. Thankfully, they had their seatbelts on and were not injured. Mom was arrested for child cruelty and is now out on $22,000 bond. I’m hoping the conditions of release include staying away from the children and a mental examination.

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Jay C  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:32:34am

re: #413 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Not that I’d ever waste my time by watching that crap, but does Tucker Carlson ever have more than that one on-camera expression? The one that looks mostly like “Why isn’t that Miralax working??”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:33:58am

re: #458 Jay C

Not that I’d ever waste my time by watching that crap, but does Tucker Carlson ever have more than that one on-camera expression? The one that looks mostly like “Why isn’t that Miralax working??”

I thought it was “Taco Bell was a bad idea.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:34:38am

re: #457 mmmirele

This woman had her two children (aged 5 and 7) in the car with her when she sped up and hit a pole. Her goal was to prove “God is real.”

wsbtv.com

It was caught on a traffic camera. The kids told the cops what was up. Thankfully, they had their seatbelts on and were not injured. Mom was arrested for child cruelty and is now out on $22,000 bond. I’m hoping the conditions of release include staying away from the children and a mental examination.

Glad kids are ok.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 24, 2018 • 11:36:50am

I’m bawling

Everyone is bawling

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2018 • 12:13:41pm

re: #458 Jay C

Not that I’d ever waste my time by watching that crap, but does Tucker Carlson ever have more than that one on-camera expression? The one that looks mostly like “Why isn’t that Miralax working??”

Hey Moe!

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