NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert: Music as Pure Joy: Väsen

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March 23, 2018 | Bob Boilen —
There’s an abundance of jubilation and glee in the strums, trills, double stops and drones from the Swedish instrumental band Väsen. The trio came to the Tiny Desk with just three instruments, but all together it was a 30-string sonic blast of 12-string guitar, viola and nyckelharpa (a fiddle with keys — think 15th century keytar).

Guitarist Roger Tallroth, violist Mikael Marin and nyckelharpist Olov Johansson have been a touring troupe for more than 25 years with 18 albums filled with adventure, amusement and virtuosity. They span the wide emotional range of Swedish folk music, equally haunting and celebratory. There are some similarities to Irish jigs, reels and waltzes that I’m more familiar with, but this music is more ear-bending, with more surprises than I’m used to in traditional string band folk music.

Hopefully these tunes, many from Väsen’s recent album Brewed — songs steeped in the past with its ears on the future — become a gateway for new listeners.

Set List

“IPA-Gubben”
“Väsenvalsen”
“Sommarpolska”

MUSICIANS
Mikael Marin (5-string viola), Olov Johansson (Nyckelharpa), Roger Tallroth (12-string guitar)

CREDITS
Producers: Bob Boilen, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Dani Lyman; Production Assistant: Joshua Bote; Photo: Jenna Sterner/NPR.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 30, 2018 • 8:49:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 30, 2018 • 8:55:14pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Disagreeing is one thing. Suggesting hanging women over abortions is quite another but Bret knew that.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 30, 2018 • 8:57:49pm

It’s five minutes to midnight and I could really go for a taco.

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retired cynic  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:03:44pm

re: #3 De Kolta Chair

It’s five minutes to midnight and I could really go for a taco.

Bring me one, as long as you’re going out.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:06:05pm

And the Pulitzer Prize for best editorial cartoon goes to…

Mike Luckovich
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:07:12pm

re: #4 retired cynic

Red or green chili?

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retired cynic  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:08:23pm

re: #6 De Kolta Chair

Red or green chili?

Green, please.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:11:57pm

By my calculation, Hatch, New Mexico, is 2,175.1 miles from NYC, so mind waiting for a week?

Gawd, how I love green chilis.

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retired cynic  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:14:04pm

re: #8 De Kolta Chair

By my calculation, Hatch, New Mexico, is 2,175.1 miles from NYC, so mind waiting for a week?

Gawd, how I love green chilis.

I put it on my calendar.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:15:12pm

So I just looked at the article about the Storm conspiracy and I’m still trying to figure out what the fuck I just read.

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Weaselone  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:17:08pm

If you tweeted something about a person or group that would result in a visit from the Secret Service if tweeted about the President, you probably shouldn’t be considered for a job at a major publication.

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Belafon  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:17:25pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:18:32pm

re: #9 retired cynic

Was flashing back to the several Hatch Chili Fests I’ve attended. My tongue might have a less positive opinion, but hey skrew that organ.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:20:19pm

re: #6 De Kolta Chair

Red or green chili?

re: #8 De Kolta Chair

By my calculation, Hatch, New Mexico, is 2,175.1 miles from NYC, so mind waiting for a week?

Gawd, how I love green chilis.

And slow cooked pork….

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retired cynic  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:21:57pm

It’s time for me to go to bed. Why am I drooling?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:25:03pm

re: #15 retired cynic

It’s time for me to go to bed. Why am I drooling?

Donuts are nearby?

//

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retired cynic  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:27:47pm

Tacos. Green chilis. Pulled pork. Now donuts!

Unfair to dieters!

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:27:51pm

re: #14 Dave In Austin

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:35:06pm

Later gators

The one and only Walt Kelly
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Belafon  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:36:55pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:44:56pm

re: #17 retired cynic

I’m confused about people’s affinity for fried dough covered in liquid sugar.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:46:46pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

I’m confused about people’s affinity for fried dough covered in liquid sugar.

What part of the awesomeness of donuts eludes you?

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teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:49:50pm

re: #22 Blind Frog Belly White

The fried dough and the sugar sugar sugar, methinks.

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Belafon  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:50:34pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

The fried dough and the sugar sugar sugar, methinks.

Are you similarly confused by breathing? It’s donuts. There’s no explaining them. :)

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Belafon  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:51:30pm

I’m contemplating buying a new mattress. I need a better mattress than the one I’ve got, but my god, sticker shock makes me numb when I see the prices.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:52:57pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

The fried dough and the sugar sugar sugar, methinks.

They’re made of 3 out of 4 of the food groups humans have no off switch for.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:53:44pm

re: #24 Belafon

Are you similarly confused by breathing? It’s donuts. There’s no explaining them. :)

And no need to explain them, either.

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Broad With Sass  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:53:55pm

Just like O’Reilly

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teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:54:20pm

re: #24 Belafon

Homer went to Hell and they fed him donuts for all eternity. It did not bother him.

Giphy

There’s something deeply wrong with a foodstuff that decadent and depraved.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:55:36pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

Homer went to Hell and they fed him donuts for all eternity. It did not bother him.

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There’s something deeply wrong with a foodstuff that decadent and depraved.

Or something deeply RIGHT…

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teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2018 • 9:57:52pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

Or something deeply RIGHT…

Where are all the deep fried Twinky stands on busy street corners in NYC? That’s the next big thing, friendo.

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whitebeach  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:00:50pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

I’m confused about people’s affinity for fried dough covered in liquid sugar.

OK, in my limited experience, skiers tend to be confused about a number of things. Thank god they get gravity better than most of us.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:02:30pm
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whitebeach  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:03:52pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

Where are all the deep fried Twinky stands on busy street corners in NYC? That’s the next big thing, friendo.

You never heard of cannoli, pal?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:04:44pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

Back home nothing was more decadent, deprived but delicious as a fresh plate of pierogis smothered in butter and fried diced onions!

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teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:05:27pm

re: #34 whitebeach

You never herd of cannoli, pal?

Deep fried twinkys are cannolis.

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whitebeach  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:06:47pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

Deep fried twinkys are cannolis.

Close to my point. Yet far.

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teleskiguy  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:12:13pm

Bedtime.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:15:01pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

Where are all the deep fried Twinky stands on busy street corners in NYC? That’s the next big thing, friendo.

Funnel cake stands first.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:15:49pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

Deep fried twinkys are cannolis.

“Leave da gun. Take da Twinkies”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:21:39pm

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scottslemmons  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:28:53pm

Betcha Bret Stephens is in a state of High Dudgeon over how mistreated Laura Ingraham is.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:39:33pm

I want beignets and café au lait now.

They’ve been on my mind the past few weeks. I really need to order some beignet mix and chicory coffee.

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gwangung  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:41:47pm

re: #42 scottslemmons

Betcha Bret Stephens is in a state of High Dudgeon over how mistreated Laura Ingraham is.

She threw the first punch.
And she didn’t take the counter-punch seriously…until she found herself on the floor.

Bunch of bullies and wusses.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 30, 2018 • 10:44:30pm

I wanted to take a moment and respond to that Hill piece posted earlier arguing that Hogg going after Ingrahams advertisers for her statements sets a dangerous precedent.

The writer argues that by someone like Hogg so easily mobilizing people against the advertisers, he’s effectively destroying Ingrahams First Amendment rights because now she won’t want to say what she really thinks about other issues for fear of further backlash. The problem is this is an amazingly stupid argument for two reasons:

1) The First Amendment does NOT shield anyone from the consequences of their speech.
2) THIS IS NOT A FUCKING FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE. Neither Fox News or Twitter are run by the government!

Ingraham can whine and bitch all day about her stupid show getting fucked up or canceled but none of it has jack shit to do with her Constitutional rights.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 30, 2018 • 11:26:15pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

Ingraham can whine and bitch all day about her stupid show getting fucked up or canceled but none of it has jack shit to do with her Constitutional rights.

There is no arguing that point with some people…

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Targetpractice  Mar 30, 2018 • 11:52:18pm

re: #28 Broad With Sass

Just like O’Reilly

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The difference is when it happened to Bill’O, he made the excuse that it was a vacation he’d already been planning to take. Either way, it’s obviously a call by leadership to get her away from the network for a week in the hope that things will die down. But what are the odds that Laura is gonna be able to keep herself from digging in deeper on Twitter for a week?

I’m guessing before next Friday, she flips out and starts yammering about how she’s the “victim.”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2018 • 12:10:36am

re: #33 Dave In Austin

Savage af. Love it.

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Single-handed sailor  Mar 31, 2018 • 12:11:55am

re: #43 Single-handed sailor

I want beignets and café au lait now.

They’ve been on my mind the past few weeks. I really need to order some beignet mix and chicory coffee.

I bought some on Amazon. :-D

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 12:49:21am

Looking forward to tomorrow: Fake News Day!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 31, 2018 • 1:07:12am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 1:14:05am

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

all of their standard ploys are falling flat or backfiring

these kids have put a sympathetic human face on the issue of gun control and are finally generating some political response

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 31, 2018 • 2:31:38am

Facebook Post

That’s because of competition from Republicans.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 2:37:31am

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

and even better, super cheap, less than 4/10th of a cent!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 31, 2018 • 3:00:01am

Local Czech media is reporting that when Speaker Paul Ryan came to visit here a few days ago, the extradition of Evgeney Nikulin was pretty much at the top of the agenda. Apparently, Ryan spoke to Czech officials regarding the matter and of course as we all know, Nikulin was extradited yesterday.

If indeed Ryan talking to Czech officials helped get this guy over to the US to stand trial, then credit where credit is due. I’d still vote against him, if that were possible, but on this matter, he got it right.

And yes, the pro-Russian fifth columnists here are still furious about this. Heh.

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Weaselone  Mar 31, 2018 • 4:41:27am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

he’s effectively destroying Ingrahams First Amendment rights because now she won’t want to say what she really thinks about other issues for fear of further backlash.

3) The backlash wasn’t due to her views on an issue, it’s because she made fun of Hogg for not getting into his colleges of choice.

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Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2018 • 4:46:54am

re: #57 Weaselone

3) The backlash wasn’t due to her views on an issue, it’s because she made fun of Hogg for not getting into his colleges of choice.

And accused him of “whining,” the implication being that he felt entitled to college acceptance. If he hadn’t turned the conversation around on her, she probably would have pushed forward with the implication that he was being turned away due to his advocacy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 5:02:01am

This is what we get for not stressing civics and government in our schools: people do not understand their own Constitution and the nature of the rights it guarantees.

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Weaselone  Mar 31, 2018 • 5:13:31am

Media: Shut up Hillary!
Also media: People who act like assholes or say that individuals who have abortions should be killed have a first amendment right to high profile, highly compensated media jobs

The issue is that the media is now comfortable with the right being complete assholes and calling for the arrest and murder of people not guilty of a crime, but uncomfortable with Hillary calling out those same people as backwards.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 31, 2018 • 5:15:31am

I’ll admit that I was never a fan of the first “Roseanne” show, so I’m not particularly curious about the reboot. But I think the network is going to regret signing on for a second season if real-life Roseanne doesn’t shut the fuck up.

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jeffreyw  Mar 31, 2018 • 5:16:52am

Imgur

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Good morning!

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I cannot.  Mar 31, 2018 • 5:49:11am

*pokes thread*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 5:58:52am

re: #63 I cannot.

*pokes thread*

ouch

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:02:14am

hey Art! Just saw this quote and immediately thought of you:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:03:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:05:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:07:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:12:07am

ummmmm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:12:52am

JFC

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:14:31am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gov Jerry Brown has done more for his state than Trump has done for the United States.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:14:52am

LOL, nicely framed:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:16:39am

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:21:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:24:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:25:14am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Oh for FUCK’S SAKE, MAN!”
— Every fact-checker right now, probably.

I’M SO GOING TO RE-TWEET THIS!

-Every Trump supporter right now, probably

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William Lewis  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:31:21am

I’m reading about how the cops who killed Alton Sterling in Baton Rogue were punished. The shooter was fired and the other one was given a 3 day suspension. But there isn’t enough to charge them according to a grand jury…

Meanwhile my own fat white ass got pulled over Thursday night driving home from a church run Seder. Four glasses of wine is definitely over the modern .08 blood limit even for me at 300 lbs. But he walks up to the far window (no breath smell) and asks for my drivers license and insurance. Then he noticed my sword (I had it along to exercise earlier in the day) and he’s like “Is that a sword?” Yeah I do HEMA (which I then had to explain is Historical European Martial Arts) and he thinks that’s cool. Then again, I’m a save fat old white guy. He’s pulled me over cause my headlights out. Yeah, I hit a deer a while back but I don’t have the money to get it fixed right (with this truck? Fixing is replacing the truck, alas…) He says no ticket since I don’t have the money anyway just do it as soon as I can. Yes sir. I’m on my way - unmentioned is how loud the truck is because the muffler blew off the back half 3 weeks ago…

White privilege. If I were native or black? I’d probably still be waiting for my arraignment on DUI and weapons charges.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:40:44am

re: #77 William Lewis

Four cups of wine? When I drive (which is not much these days) it becomes four sips. That way the breathalyzer should not pick it up.

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William Lewis  Mar 31, 2018 • 6:47:51am

re: #78 PhillyPretzel

Four cups of wine? When I drive (which is not much these days) it becomes four sips. That way the breathalyzer should not pick it up.

It Was a Seder and my four blessing cups were not full. But I am from Wisconsin where bad habits run deep…

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William Lewis  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:08:17am

Off to Holy Saturday. Back in a bit.

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:08:19am

re: #62 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Jeffery…is that a woodpecker out there at the left edge of the picnic table? I like the coloring. Never saw one like that before, if it is a woodpecker.

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:16:12am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey Art! Just saw this quote and immediately thought of you:

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Love that quote.

It goes to the people that always say “My kid can draw better than that” when they see art they do not understand because it is simple, decorative and naive.

I always say to them “Well then, be a kid and create your own” and then they find they want to be all adult and perfect and they can never get that joy of a child just having fun and creating.

It is extremely difficult for an artist to get the special child naivety back. The formal aged mind gets in the way.

And the cute little kid looks like she has taken her art to her arms and face. Love it!

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:19:10am

re: #71 PhillyPretzel

Gov Jerry Brown has done more for his state than Trump has done for the United States.

That’s why he is throwing a fit. Brown is effective and liked by his constituents.

Our man-brat child President just can’t handle the fact that he is a failure and no one really likes him. Those that act like they do just use him.

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jeffreyw  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:22:10am

re: #81 ObserverArt

Jeffery…is that a woodpecker out there at the left edge of the picnic table? I like the coloring. Never saw one like that before, if it is a woodpecker.

Yes, it’s a Downy Woodpecker. Pretty sure, Hairy Woodpeckers are bigger but much alike.

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:22:16am

re: #25 Belafon

Mrsdirk wanted a new mattress for herself three years ago. I knew before we walked into the store she would wind up wanting the Tempur-Pedic with all the adjustable do-dads. Thank goodness they were offering 0 percent financing!

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dirkdigglerjr  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:25:19am
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Jay C  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:28:35am

re: #83 ObserverArt

re: #71 PhillyPretzel

Gov Jerry Brown has done more for his state than Trump has done for the United States.

That’s why he is throwing a fit. Brown is effective and liked by his constituents.

Our man-brat child President just can’t handle the fact that he is a failure and no one really likes him. Those that act like they do just use him.

I’m with Jim Wright here - where did the Moron-in-Chief get these “facts” about Brown’s pardons from? Does he have WH staff doing “oppo research” edited down to tweetable form - waiting for him when he goes to the toilet (an appropriate place for it)?

The California-bashing from starboard is really reaching ludicrous levels (Fabio? SRSLY?) - it still never addresses the basic question: if the Golden State is such an over-regulated, mismanaged, crime-ridden shithole, how come nearly 40 million people (presumably) want to live there? With more arriving every day.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:32:21am

re: #87 Jay C

I’m with Jim Wright here - where did the Moron-in-Chief get these “facts” about Brown’s pardons from?

His daily briefing on FOX and Friends.

This is what he does every morning - watch FOX and Friends and live-tweet the things that the show tells him to make him angry.

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Danack  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:33:30am

David Hogg did a very clever thing by refusing to accept her non-apology, and instead asking her to denounce how fox news has been covering their gun control message:

“I will only accept your apology only if you denounce the way your network has treated my friends and I in this fight. It’s time to love thy neighbor, not mudsling at children,”

If she refuses to do this, she continues to lose advertisers. If she does this the whole of fox news comes under the spotlight of being massive twats.

Getting Laura out of the way by making her take a ‘holiday’ gives all of the pro-“kids dying in gun massacres” groups some time to figure out how to respond to people who they haven’t already spent a couple of decades demonizing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:33:36am

re: #88 Renaissance_Man

His daily briefing on FOX and Friends.

This is what he does every morning - watch FOX and Friends and live-tweet the things that the show tells him to make him angry.

and then his followers re-tweet his rage and it becomes RWNJ Doctrine…meanwhile his minions set about to explain, justify and relativize all the things he has said or tweeted

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:34:59am

re: #88 Renaissance_Man

His daily briefing on FOX and Friends.

This is what he does every morning - watch FOX and Friends and live-tweet the things that the show tells him to make him angry.

Wait…so Fox is coaching the President???

Heh, see: re: #51 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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William Lewis  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:35:54am

re: #80 William Lewis

Off to Holy Saturday. Back in a bit.

So much for that! Got there and no-one else there due to the snow! LOL! Oh, well, good for me to get out for a bit. I’ll just read the office here.

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retired cynic  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:38:22am

Nancy LeTourneau posted this, “this is why they call it soul music.”

“A Change is Gonna Come” Brian Owens and Thomas Owens

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lawhawk  Mar 31, 2018 • 7:59:31am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:03:08am

re: #87 Jay C

Lies, damned lies, and Trump level lies.

That’s where we’re at with Trump. All he does is lie.

And when he isn’t lying, he’s projecting like IMAX, obfuscating, or bullying those around him.

But for Trump to complain about anyone else on the pardon power just reminds everyone that Trump pardoned Arpaio despite fact he wasn’t vetted by the Office of Pardon Attorney in the DOJ, Arpaio didn’t wait the requisite time before being considered. He was pardoned because he’s a pal of Trump.

And we also know Trump’s looking at pardoning anyone caught up in Trumpworld criminality because that’s what really matters to him.

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retired cynic  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:15:05am

Washington Monthly’s Nancy LeTourneau tackles the subject that has brought Andrew Sullivan back up out of the ooze: Some Thoughts About Race, Genetics, and IQ

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:24:54am

re: #95 lawhawk

If Trump wants to pick a big fight with California, I say let’s have at it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:30:50am

California is so mismanaged that…
California’s economy growing faster than national average. … California’s real gross domestic product - the value of all goods and services produced in the state, adjusted for inflation - rose by 2.9 percent from 2015 to 2016. By comparison, national GDP grew by 1.5 percent.May 11, 2017

Is California’s economy larger than Russia’s?
California’s gross domestic product (GDP)—the value of goods and services produced here—totaled $2.2 trillion in 2013. World Bank data indicate that California’s economy is slightly smaller than that of Brazil (the world’s seventh-largest national economy), but bigger than Russia’s.Dec 4, 2014

California is 1/3rd of the new car market, yes even with all those rules.

bloomberg.com

California is the chief reason America is the only developed economy to achieve record GDP growth since the financial crisis of 2008 and ensuing global recession, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Much of the U.S. growth can be traced to California laws promoting clean energy, government accountability and protections for undocumented people. Governor Jerry Brown, now in his fourth term, considers immigrants a major reason for the state’s success: “39 percent of us are Latino and the majority are from Mexico,” he said in a March 2 interview in his Sacramento office.

In the stock and bond markets, where investors show no allegiance to political parties, California has outperformed the rest of the U.S. the past five years, especially since the Nov. 9 election, when Trump became the fifth person to win the Electoral College and lose the popular vote. California’s creditworthiness keeps getting better, measured by the declining premium global investors must pay to ensure against depreciation of the state’s debt obligations. That premium has diminished more than for any other state since 2012, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. California, whose voters favored Hillary Clinton two to one, outperformed Treasury bonds since the November election. Texas, which is the second-largest state in population and which supported Trump, became cheaper compared to Treasuries and California in the market for state and local debt since the November election. Investors see security in the state with more protections for immigrants and more regulations.

Awww heck with it duplicated as a new Page…

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freetoken  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:34:03am

re: #96 retired cynic

She’s still propagating misunderstanding with her use of language.

While Reich addresses the possibility of genetic differences among races more generally, I find it interesting that Klein and Sullivan zero in completely on whether or not they have to do with IQ. The age-old racist notion is that white people are more intelligent than black people, something that has been revived by Charles Murray and Andrew Sullivan.

LeTourneau is using the word “race” as if it has some specific meaning as some people may use it.

But it clearly doesn’t.

Which is one reason why it’s a poor concept.

The book by David Reich, which is why he wrote a piece in the NYT: amazon.com is about human evolution.

The problem, as always, is that people with this or that social agenda then want to use that for said agenda.

What so many writers, even those who might be thought of as well educated, stumble over is finding better substitutes for the word “race”, when they are in fact reifying the old ideas.

Substantially, and this is shown well, much better than LeTourneau implies with her fuzzying of science, is that indeed isolated populations of humans differ from one another in their DNA. Sometimes it’s just a point mutation (SNV), sometimes the differences are larger regions of chromosomes. Sometimes the differences may just be the frequency of a mutation in the population.

Regardless, the social agendas arise out of culture, which is the inheritance of the preceding generations’ cultures, not genomics.

That someone may intend to dress up bigotry under a fancier label is simply a way to advance their own agenda. (I do not believe that Reich is doing this, btw, and I think it is wrong to lump him into the same group as say Murray.)

There’s a lot of cross-talk in this latest kerfuffle, with many different conversations piling on top of each other.

I propose that one reason these topics are difficult is because our society as a whole doesn’t really accept human evolution anyway. The entire conversation in physical anthropology and genomics and genetics is happening in a rarefied atmosphere in which many of our fellow citizens don’t accept the basic ideas to begin with.

This leads a whole lot of people to be swayed by the skill of the writer or orator as a polemicist, rather than the science of human evolution proper.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:37:22am

re: #77 William Lewis

Thanks to diabetes, RA Rx and blood thinners I can’t drink wine at the Seder table. I am allowed to drink water or coffee instead.

It’s good to be with friends especially at this time of the year.

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retired cynic  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:41:33am

re: #99 freetoken

She’s still propagating misunderstanding with her use of language.

This leads a whole lot of people to be swayed by the skill of the writer or orator as a polemicist, rather than the science of human evolution proper.

OK. If I am understanding you correctly, you are more addressing her language and ignorance than her point? I am pretty ignorant on all this myself, but I thought she was trying to get the reader to look at some of the links and follow the arguments. I’m not going to go back and re-read her article, but I am just finishing the Ezra Klein piece, and think I have learned from it. I do think she was correct in wishing he had added one line about the role of lead in the environment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:44:38am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:48:35am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:48:46am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Posting drunk Easter weekend tends to reveal certain truths eh Alamosa GOP?

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freetoken  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:53:13am

re: #101 retired cynic

OK. If I am understanding you correctly, you are more addressing her language and ignorance than her point?

I presume, from the face of her writing, that her point, as you call it, is to draw attention to the importance of what is going on. To quote her:

But I encourage you to read all of the different points of view because it will help sharpen your own thinking.

For which I wholeheartedly agree.

I’m emphasizing on how hard it is to discuss this topic without falling into old traps, which I think she does not avoid.

I do object to her approach here:

In other words, while admitting that scientists are most likely to be wrong in their understanding about the genetic differences among populations, he assumes that at some point those differences will be found—and we need to prepare for that.

This gets back to one of the problems with creationists - they point out that scientists are always changing their minds, thus science doesn’t know anything.

I’m afraid that LeTourneau is taking a creationist tactic here.

Reich’s disclaimer about future discoveries overturning current understandings is de rigueur for good science discussions.

Enough genomes have been sequenced by now to illustrate human evolution in a detail that even 20 years ago was out of reach.

The real issue, the moral issue, I have claimed and will restate here, is this: what matters is how we use this information.

Any invention, any bit of knowledge, can be used to do harm to others. Our recent past shows how the most abstract of scientific inquiries can turn into mass killing machines.

I will also note that here in American society we’re pretty far along in this discussion. If one looks at what people say and write in other countries it is clear that deep, atavistic views of “race” remain ingrained.

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Belafon  Mar 31, 2018 • 8:53:16am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:00:41am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Whoever wrote that has posted a half assed apology in the comments for it. Dude (and yes I’m almost positive it was a man who wrote it) is getting absolutely reamed in the other comments.

The GOP keeping it real on Easter weekend.

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Jay C  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:00:46am

re: #95 lawhawk

re: #98 Unshaken Defiance

I quite agree: California’s economic successes probably rankle Republicans no end - mainly because they have been seen to succeed in a State where the GOP is a near-powerless political minority - and likely to dwindle further in the near future. Oh, and the place is thriving despite a general rejection of the hate-based social policies the Republicans love to spout off about elsewhere.

I was, actually, curious as what -if any- reality lies behind The Orange One’s idiotic tweets about pardons. But knowing Trump, there’s probably not much….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:02:45am

Also, can someone clue me in as to why Trump called Brown “Moonbeam”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:03:14am

indeed it will.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:04:46am

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, can someone clue me in as to why Trump called Brown “Moonbeam”?

the yam had a flashback to the 1970s

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:04:54am

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, can someone clue me in as to why Trump called Brown “Moonbeam”?

Oh yes. Gov Brown wanted to lease time on then new (and expensive admittedly) communications satellites. This, to save travel and time costs for state officials who need to travel for the job. Again the vast distance between truth and rhetoric..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:04:56am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Dozens of teachers were arrested at the Kentucky legislature today and charged with disturbing the peace…”

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freetoken  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:05:17am

re: #108 Jay C

Since WWII, the US has concentrated population growth along the coasts, and along with that has come “wealth”.

Certainly is true here in San Diego county.

I wish I had an answer for those in the middle of the country who are feeling angst over this, but I don’t have one.

I’m an example: yes, I was born and grew up in “fly over” country, but once I was finished with school I headed straight for the coast. Just like millions of other people.

What I wonder is where American society is going, with the religion-scams targeting the angst ridden, and now we have one political party declaring itself “the party of God”.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:05:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:07:30am

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, can someone clue me in as to why Trump called Brown “Moonbeam”?

that was an old derogatory term from him, and he is above nothing

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:08:20am

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

He pardoned people whose crimes were 15 or more years ago, and who have not reoffended. Green card holders. Who were facing deportation for those very old convictions. Whose deportation cases should now go away.

As a Californian, I say you go, Governor.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:08:47am

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that was an old derogatory term from him, and he is above nothing

Interesting note on that:

“Brown proposed the establishment of a state space academy and the purchasing of a satellite that would be launched into orbit to provide emergency communications for the state—a proposal similar to one that was indeed eventually adopted. In 1979, an out-of-state columnist, Mike Royko, at the Chicago Sun-Times, picked up on the nickname from Brown’s girlfriend at the time, Linda Ronstadt, who was quoted in a 1978 Rolling Stone magazine interview humorously calling him “Moonbeam”.[45][46] A year later Royko expressed his regret for publicizing the nickname,[47] and in 1991 Royko disavowed it entirely, proclaiming Brown to be just as serious as any other politician.

So of course the Yam would dredge it up again.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:12:50am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

Nobody laughs at Florida for a space academy. Gee why is that? Hmm maybe cause of space launch facilities? California has a couple of those and had a big one then. Wait, two. Vandenberg and Edwards.

Hey just a little detail, I had though only leases were available at the time. Did I get that wrong?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:13:44am

re: #119 Unshaken Defiance

Nobody laughs at Florida for a space academy. Gee why is that? Hmm maybe cause of space launch facilities? California has a couple of those and had a big one then. Vandenberg.

and a big share of the aerospace and research industry…for chrissakes, and no coal mining?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:14:29am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:15:30am

This stuff keeps up and a review of my comments is gonna make me look like a California spokesman, the volunteeer nobody asked for. :-)

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jaunte  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:15:52am

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

Old Man Yells At Amazon

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:16:22am

Different people’s minds work differently. That’s the problem with IQ as a concept. It’s one dimension.

Take for example my crazy ex-boss and me. He was creative, brilliant, able to see things that others couldn’t - but which became obvious once he explained them. I lack that creativity. I can’t come up with the big, broad, sweeping new idea. But give me the outline of what you want, and I was much better than he was at making it real.

His approach to methods was to keep doing the ones he knew over and over until eventually he bludgeoned the problem into submission. I prefer to constantly refine methods, to do the least amount of work needed to achieve the goal.

He could never write a good first draft of anything. His first drafts always sucked, but he was a phenomenal reviser. His final drafts were punchy, concise, conveyed exactly what needed to be conveyed without extra verbiage. Me? I’m a first draft=final draft writer. I can’t revise my own stuff. I can barely proofread it.

We were that different, and yet (outside of his severe emotional/personality issues) we thought so much alike that we were always on the same page. So, if the two of us were so different, and yet so similar in the context even of just the people we worked with, how diverse is the human mind generally?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:16:33am

re: #123 jaunte

Old Man Yells At Amazon

old man is jealous that Bezos is richer and more successful than he is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:18:27am

It’s simple: Washington Post writes stuff Trump doesn’t like => Jeff Bezos owns WaPo => Jeff Bezos owns Amazon => Trump lashes out at Amazon because he hates Bezos and WaPo.

He just got his Ego bruised again and he must avenge it.

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jaunte  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:19:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:19:33am

heh

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jaunte  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:19:56am
Trump gave Amazon $789m windfall by signing tax legislatn.

DOH!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:20:20am

re: #115 Unshaken Defiance

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The biggest threat to gun owners is the intransigence of the most visible of us. If ‘they’ ever ‘come for our guns’, it will be because society as a whole has determined that we can’t be trusted with them, not just because of a few mass killers or gangs, but because the most vocal gun advocates have a view of guns and gun rights that is clearly deranged.

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:20:58am

Just looking at some local news and it appears this early morning was fatal for a couple drivers on local streets. I’m looking at the images and wondering how do you tear cars completely apart on ordinary city streets with 35 MPH speed limits.

One image of an accident on the westside of Columbus show what appears to be about 1/2 of the front of a car’s passenger compartment, no glass left in the windscreen and the roof metal torn. Nothing left of the firewall…no seats, just a bit of the shell. Nothing of the rear part of the car was even in the image, it must have been flung further down the street.

The other happened less than a mile from my house on Main Street, which my street intersects, at the beginning of downtown. The image online of that shows nothing but debris. I do not see any main part of a car.

Both of these accidents had to have been at least at 75 MPH or more and I don’t even know how you can get a car up to that speed in both cases because there are intersections with traffic lights. They either caught all green lights or ran red ones to get that speed. Both are worse than extremely bad highway crashes.

There was just the driver in both accidents and now both are dead.

Also related. I saw a crash of a Tesla Sedan that killed the driver on the news this morning. The image they showed was very concerning, unless this also wa extremely high speed. The whole front of the Tesla was gone. It looked like one-half of an egg shell, the front gone from the front A pillars forward. You could see the seats at about where the car was split. I guess the driver hit the concrete of a wall that was at a split in the road.

I love cars, love to drive. What the hell are people doing to wipe themselves out so thoroughly with their vehicles???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:23:55am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:25:50am

re: #131 ObserverArt

There’s a stretch of road about 4 miles long not far from me. No traffic lights and the limit is 40. Drivers routinely go 60-70 along there. Police have stepped up patrols in the past year or so but the fast driving continues.

But the big reason is that people are often stupid behind the wheel. I believe you should have to retake a road test every 10 years after you get licensed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:28:28am

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a stretch of road about 4 miles long not far from me. No traffic lights and the limit is 40. Drivers routinely go 60-70 along there. Police have stepped up patrols in the past year or so but the fast driving continues.

But the big reason is that people are often stupid behind the wheel. I believe you should have to retake a road test every 10 years after you get licensed.

The vast majority of drivers believe their driving skills are above average.

The thing is, even though modern cars are vastly safer than they were even a decade ago, they don’t escape the laws of physics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:28:56am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:32:13am

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

The biggest threat to gun owners is the intransigence of the most visible of us. If ‘they’ ever ‘come for our guns’, it will be because society as a whole has determined that we can’t be trusted with them, not just because of a few mass killers or gangs, but because the most vocal gun advocates have a view of guns and gun rights that is clearly deranged.

Lots going on here. Overlapping layers.
Imho-The most vocal of us is not actually us. The most visible=The NRA. Or in tragedies, the mass shooter himself. That’s your most visible. Until somebody (Say maybe Parkland teens) demands change, which these days only happens after tragedy, the intransigent NRA are largely silent publicly. They just keep funneling gun maker money to congress. Oh Congress the one bunch more intransigent than us gun owners. They won’t step up on existing laws or enact new ones.

I have a hard time gauging anything by what the NRA has to say other than to diminish their clout specifically. Ted Nugent? That’s is not us. That is a walking talking aberration of false charisma and highly questionable celebrity that sits on the NRA board.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:32:59am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:36:03am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We had about 2 inches overnight. Some of that manifested as pack ice that I had to scrape off of the bottom half of the driveway. I was not having fun this morning after all the effort I expended over the last 2 days with Good Friday setup and teardown.

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:41:07am

Just looking for some info on the Tesla crash I mentioned above. It appears the car was on ‘autopilot’ before the crash.

That is going to add to the whole debate about digitally controlled vehicles. I think that is why the story in national.

Here is a link:

NYT - Tesla Says Crashed Vehicle Had Been on Autopilot Before Fatal Accident

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Jay C  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:41:57am

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

The vast majority of drivers believe their driving skills are above average.

The thing is, even though modern cars are vastly safer than they were even a decade ago, they don’t escape the laws of physics.

Or as someone recently explained to me: “the most dangerous part in a car is the spacer between the steering wheel and the front seat” .

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:42:46am

re: #136 Unshaken Defiance

Lots going on here. Overlapping layers.
Imho-The most vocal of us is not actually us. The most visible=The NRA. Or in tragedies, the mass shooter himself. That’s your most visible. Until somebody (Say maybe Parkland teens) demands change, which these days only happens after tragedy, the intransigent NRA are largely silent publicly. They just keep funneling gun maker money to congress. Oh Congress the one bunch more intransigent than us gun owners. They won’t step up on existing laws or enact new ones.

I have a hard time gauging anything by what the NRA has to say other than to diminish their clout specifically. Ted Nugent? That’s is not us. That is a walking talking aberration of false charisma and highly questionable celebrity that sits on the NRA board.

The NRA has worked hard, and has largely been successful in portraying themselves as THE spokesman for gun owners. I think most non-gun owners (gun non-owners?) increasingly see them as representative of us, even though they’re not really. They represent a fringe, but a very loud, very visible fringe, and they spend a lot of time and effort making that fringe even fringier - at the expense of the broader population growing increasingly uneasy with them and by extension with gun owners and gun ownership generally.

That’s the problem. The public, I think, increasingly sees the NRA as more like the mass shooter than like themselves. The crazy, apocalyptic, violence-tinged rhetoric coming from them makes them seem like all gun owners are a lost job or failed marriage away from shooting a bunch of people. And their followers on social media and elsewhere add to that perception - “I’m a law abiding gun owner who is no part of the problem, but if you don’t stop saying bad things about guns I’m gonna kill someone!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:44:20am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:44:23am

I wonder how much a person gets paid for recording those automated prompts for 800 numbers and such?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:44:47am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:45:34am

re: #140 Jay C

Or as someone recently explained to me: “the most dangerous part in a car is the spacer between the steering wheel and the front seat” .

As we say in archery, “The problem is that nut behind the riser.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:46:20am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:47:34am
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William Lewis  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:48:52am

re: #136 Unshaken Defiance

Ted Nugent? That’s is not us. That is a walking talking aberration of false charisma and highly questionable celebrity that sits on the NRA board.

A good tool to use against him is his conviction for poaching (“illegally hunting”) black bear in Alaska. Rather punctures the reputation that the Hebephile has as a great hunter.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:49:06am

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

The vast majority of drivers believe their driving skills are above average.

The thing is, even though modern cars are vastly safer than they were even a decade ago, they don’t escape the laws of physics.

The proliferation of safety devices is lulling us into inattention. And providing false confidence of little or no injury if a crash happens. When lights remind people when they can’t change lanes, drivers look at the light and ignore the mirror. Then one day the “extra safety feature” light fails. The mirror is ignored and bang spin crunch.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:54:35am

re: #149 Unshaken Defiance

The proliferation of safety devices is lulling us into inattention. And providing false confidence of little or no injury if a crash happens. When lights remind people when they can’t change lanes, drivers look at the light and ignore the mirror. Then one day the “extra safety feature” light fails. The mirror is ignored and bang spin crunch.

I think it’s getting to be a ‘Chicken/Egg’ situation. Distracted driving was already increasing before we started adding safety devices which leads to more distracted driving for which we need more safety devices.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:54:47am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

Your posts are excellent ground to work upon.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:54:59am

re: #140 Jay C

Or as someone recently explained to me: “the most dangerous part in a car is the spacer between the steering wheel and the front seat” .

In computing, we call that, “Problem exists between keyboard and chair.”

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retired cynic  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:56:22am

re: #105 freetoken

I heartily disagree with you that she is using a “creationist tactic” here, by paraphrasing Reich. But I was never a debater, and am not interested in debating that now.

I do agree that the way we use the term “race” in regard to humans is evolving, and needs to evolve further. Current M-W dictionary:

race
noun
Definition of race

1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (such as a subspecies) representing such a group
b : breed
c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

I had this come up in an article I was editing for a magazine, where the author was using race in people as an analogy with strains in livestock. I cut it, not just because it was not relevant to the article, really, but that it did not conform to current terminology.

But I must say, I don’t know the language to use. I am just ignorant.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:56:54am

re: #149 Unshaken Defiance

The proliferation safety devices is lulling us into inattention. And providing false confidence of little or no injury if a crash happens. When lights remind people when they can’t change lanes, drivers look at the light and ignore the mirror. Then one day the “extra safety feature” light fails. The mirror is ignored and bang spin crunch.

One thing I’ve noticed is that I’ve had to force myself into the habit of checking my mirrors in addition to using the backup camera in my new car. It’s deceptively easy to just get used to that thing being there and showing you what’s behind, but when driving either of my older cars (both of which are significantly heavier and more dangerous to back into someone), that feature doesn’t exist and I need to be not just able to do without it, but in the habit of not relying on it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:58:23am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:58:35am

Fuck me! It’s 10 AM already!

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retired cynic  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:59:36am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 31, 2018 • 9:59:37am

re: #156 Blind Frog Belly White

It is 1:00pm on the East coast. :)

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darthstar  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:01:11am

Ingraham’s defenders can kiss my Irish ass.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:02:45am

re: #158 PhillyPretzel

It is 1:00pm on the East coast. :)

On FB, I made a wise-ass comment on a thread with my siblings. Hawaii Bro said he was gonna say the same thing but I got there first.

I told him, “It’s earlier where you are. In a way, you thought it up before me.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:05:14am
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darthstar  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:06:12am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:06:37am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

RIP Mr Hawking. You are missed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:09:45am
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darthstar  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:10:16am
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William Lewis  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:12:00am

re: #156 Blind Frog Belly White

Fuck me! It’s 10 AM already!

Heh. Not here. That was 2 hours ago. I’m sitting down with my Instant Pot Pot Roast I started at 10:00 AM ;D

Nom nom nom.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:12:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:13:01am

re: #166 William Lewis

Heh. Not here. That was 2 hours ago. I’m sitting down with my Instant Pot Pot Roast I started at 10:00 AM ;D

Nom nom nom.

7pm here, just enjoyed my pulled chicken burritos, goulash is cooking on the stove, it is going to sit overnight before being served tomorrow…

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:16:12am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

Probably the collage artists aren’t going for human figures.

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Skip Intro  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:17:36am

re: #47 Targetpractice

The difference is when it happened to Bill’O, he made the excuse that it was a vacation he’d already been planning to take. Either way, it’s obviously a call by leadership to get her away from the network for a week in the hope that things will die down. But what are the odds that Laura is gonna be able to keep herself from digging in deeper on Twitter for a week?

I’m guessing before next Friday, she flips out and starts yammering about how she’s the “victim.”

Why Twitter? She does have a radio show too. I don’t think she’s taking a leave from that, and that’s where the next advertiser campaign should be directed.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:18:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:18:42am

re: #170 Skip Intro

Why Twitter? She does have a radio show too. I don’t think she’s taking a leave from that, and that’s where the next advertiser campaign should be directed.

those radio shows tend to be very audience-specific, the kind of folks who listen to Rush and Alex Jones…and advertise manly things like chainsaws and boner pills

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:19:36am

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

The vast majority of drivers believe their driving skills are above average.

The thing is, even though modern cars are vastly safer than they were even a decade ago, they don’t escape the laws of physics.

I believe my driving skills to be above average. I would never be doing 60 in a 35 zone.

Part of good driving skills is being responsible and allowing for others and conditions. Mashing your foot to the floor is not skill.

That’s why I can’t imagine how the accidents this morning in Columbus occurred. Maybe drunk driving, but then if you’re drunk, why go over the speed limit?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:20:26am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:21:42am
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:21:51am

re: #171 goddamnedfrank

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I strolled through his timeline and I’ll give Frank one thing: he’s consistent. There’s (or as Frank would say “theirs”) at least one misspelling per tweet.

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Skip Intro  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:24:36am

re: #87 Jay C

I’m with Jim Wright here - where did the Moron-in-Chief get these “facts” about Brown’s pardons from? Does he have WH staff doing “oppo research” edited down to tweetable form - waiting for him when he goes to the toilet (an appropriate place for it)?

The California-bashing from starboard is really reaching ludicrous levels (Fabio? SRSLY?) - it still never addresses the basic question: if the Golden State is such an over-regulated, mismanaged, crime-ridden shithole, how come nearly 40 million people (presumably) want to live there? With more arriving every day.

I’d love it if all the Republicans moved out to one of their paradises, say Kansas or Mississippi. The traffic jams would be gone and the crank letters to the editor would be a thing of the past.

Hate California? Please leave.

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jaunte  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:24:42am

re: #151 Unshaken Defiance

This is probably going to end up as one of most corrupt administrations in history of U.S

She can go ahead and strike out “one of the” as well.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:26:00am

re: #171 goddamnedfrank

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We gave Frank a good RAZZING back in the 80s for the songs he wrote for his brother’s train wreck sequel “Staying Alive” that torpedoed John Travolta’s career. The Sly Man continues his winning ways with us with over 30 nominations and lots of wins—making him the RAZZIE King to Madonna’s being the RAZZIE Queen!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:26:17am

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

It’s amazing to watch the Parkland survivors totally break the conservative-GOP attack machine, something the Dem establishment has been trying & failing to do for decades.

They are not afraid of alienating potential constituency.

beyond that, they have put a human face on the issue of gun control, one which most non-ideologically blindered, petty and vindictive people find sympathetic and can identify with in their own children, family or neighbors

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jaunte  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:26:37am
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Skip Intro  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:26:51am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

those radio shows tend to be very audience-specific, the kind of folks who listen to Rush and Alex Jones…and advertise manly things like chainsaws and boner pills

The RW claim that “the left” is taking away her livelihood is, like usual, total BS. She’s only been on Fox a little while her livelihood is her radio show.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:28:13am
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retired cynic  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:31:27am

re: #183 Joe Bacon 🌹

Go Walter!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:32:22am
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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:34:14am

re: #162 darthstar

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Really Darth? Celebrating 2-0 in baseball???

Get back with us at the end of August.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:34:37am
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Skip Intro  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:34:41am

re: #139 ObserverArt

Just looking for some info on the Tesla crash I mentioned above. It appears the car was on ‘autopilot’ before the crash.

That is going to add to the whole debate about digitally controlled vehicles. I think that is why the story in national.

Here is a link:

NYT - Tesla Says Crashed Vehicle Had Been on Autopilot Before Fatal Accident

Things aren’t looking so good for Tesla these days. Problems with the Model 3, recall of the Model S, and they’re losing money. Almost sounds like Bain Capital is running the place.

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darthstar  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:34:56am

re: #186 ObserverArt

Really Darth? Celebrating 2-0 in baseball???

Get back with us at the end of August.

Mostly, it’s celebrating being 2-0 while the Dodgers are 0-2.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:36:33am

these people…good grief…

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:37:05am

re: #169 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Probably the collage artists aren’t going for human figures.

I think he drank the glue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:38:06am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Skip Intro  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:38:10am

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The most corrupt administration in history. Not even two years in and it’s already shown that. It will only get worse as time goes on.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:39:40am

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Whoops.//

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jaunte  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:39:46am
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jaunte  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:41:11am

“I can’t play the guitar since I was shot, your honor!”
“Could you play it before you were shot?”

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:42:05am

re: #196 jaunte

rofl

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HappyWarrior  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:43:26am

FNC has all the winners- Stacey Dash, Kennedy, Fabio, & now Frank Stallone. We need a reality show for never were right wing celebrities to sit around and complain about how hard it is to be a conservative entertainer.

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Skip Intro  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:43:30am

re: #174 Joe Bacon 🌹

“Maybe beachside? What does that mean, and who the hell is Frank Stallone?

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Amory Blaine  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:44:36am

My long self-imposed embargo of Arby’s is still safe.

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:44:41am

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just by reading her tweets it appears the RNC head is a twit. How did she get the office? Maybe no one else wanted it after Reince left or something. The whole GOP machine needs disassembled, cleaned-up, modernized and calibrated. It doesn’t work for this country anymore.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:44:43am
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:45:00am
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Skip Intro  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:48:41am

re: #203 Barefoot Grin

Isn’t April also Infrastructure Month?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:49:41am

re: #188 Skip Intro

Things aren’t looking so good for Tesla these days. Problems with the Model 3, recall of the Model S, and they’re losing money. Almost sounds like Bain Capital is running the place.

The problem is layered:

1.) Musk didn’t do himself any favors by calling it Autopilot.
2.) Even though it’s clear that “full self driving” isn’t available yet and is depended on upgrades and legislative changes, he’s selling that as a pre-paid option.
3.) *This was probably the problem here* The Autosteer function is a binary on/off thing, it requires occasional input from the driver or it beings to throw up alarms and eventually will slow the car to a halt. But if you put too much input into the wheel it thinks you’re taking over and turns Autosteer off. Traffic Aware Cruise Control is the better driving mode IMHO.

So the driver in this case probably had Autosteer on at some point prior to the crash but either turned it off deliberately and then wasn’t prepared to deal with the road conditions. It’s possible that Autosteer would’ve avoided the crash entirely, but that the driver saw something that panicked him, grabbed the wheel and caused the crash. A lot is going to have to be done at the interface / handoff between human and AI, letting the AI just turn off instantly creates a problem absent active monitoring of the driver’s state of awareness.

P.S. I’m going down to Marina del Rey with my Dad in a couple hours to pick up his Model S.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:49:45am

re: #189 darthstar

Mostly, it’s celebrating being 2-0 while the Dodgers are 0-2.

Well, I gotta up-ding that

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:51:25am

re: #204 Skip Intro

Isn’t April also Infrastructure Month?

gives new meaning to “support undergarments”…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:52:20am

re: #204 Skip Intro

Isn’t April also Infrastructure Month?

The way things are going I’m waiting for Infrastructure Year!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:52:24am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, I gotta up-ding that

I actually first read that as celebrating being 2-0 while it’s still 2-0…

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Skip Intro  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:52:57am

re: #205 goddamnedfrank

My next door neighbor the doctor has one. He seems to like it, even put solar panels on his roof to get his electric bill down.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:55:31am

re: #204 Skip Intro

Isn’t April also Infrastructure Month?

Just the first day.

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BeachDem  Mar 31, 2018 • 10:58:16am

re: #144 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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A great description of Charlie Kirk in that thread:

untoasted marshmallow with a receding hairline

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:00:32am
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:01:01am

re: #210 Skip Intro

My next door neighbor the doctor has one. He seems to like it, even put solar panels on his roof to get his electric bill down.

It’s a good company with great products imho. Too great for Musk to focus as much as he does on salesmanship instead of focusing on the industrial engineering problem of meeting production targets.

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BeachDem  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:02:35am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is disgusting. Also, Frank Stallone can’t spell “college.”

or because (if his auto-correct came up with beachside, he was headed in a wrong direction)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:04:19am

Wall money?

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:12:29am

Tweets from local news on deadly car crash less than a mile down Main street from where I live in Columbus.

And the one from early this AM on the west side of Columbus.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:12:47am

re: #139 ObserverArt

Just looking for some info on the Tesla crash I mentioned above. It appears the car was on ‘autopilot’ before the crash.

That is going to add to the whole debate about digitally controlled vehicles. I think that is why the story in national.

Here is a link:

NYT - Tesla Says Crashed Vehicle Had Been on Autopilot Before Fatal Accident

From the article:

The company said in a statement posted on its website that the driver in the crash last week had “about five seconds and 150 meters of unobstructed view” before he crashed into a median barrier, adding that “the vehicle logs show that no action was taken.” The driver, Wei Huang, had been given “several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive,” Tesla said.

Still, Tesla defended its Autopilot hardware. In its statement, the company said there was one automotive fatality for every 86 million miles across all vehicles in the United States, compared with one fatality for every 320 million miles in vehicles equipped with Autopilot.

“If you are driving a Tesla equipped with Autopilot hardware, you are 3.7 times less likely to be involved in a fatal accident,” the company said.

First off the driver was violating the terms of use, Autosteer is currently Level 2 only, you’re supposed to keep your hands on the wheel and pay attention. Clearly he wasn’t doing that because he’d already ignored three warnings. Second, Tesla’s numbers are correct, but they don’t account for how many miles are being driven with autopilot or traffic aware cruise control enabled. On the other hand the data I and my insurance agent have seen suggest that while autopilot equipped cars are safer they’re also involved in more minor not-at-fault accidents. Which indicates that something about them is causing other people to run into them more often. Tesla’s biggest problem is that because they’re one of the first movers in AI driven autos every terrible anecdote becomes news.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:14:41am

re: #217 ObserverArt

Tweets from local news on deadly car crash less than a mile down Main street from where I live in Columbus.

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And neither of these incidents will become national news because AI wasn’t involved.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:17:08am

thread:

my favorite part:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:17:56am
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BeachDem  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:18:08am

re: #203 Barefoot Grin

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And the proclamation misspells unremittingly (unremmittingly)

Will no one rid us of these terrible spellers.

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:20:20am

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

And neither of these incidents will become national news because AI wasn’t involved.

Of course not…nothing to scare people about new-fangled whiz-kid technology.

We’ve got to get back to steam powered cars to Make America Great Again.

Wait, steam can blow you up too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:21:30am

re: #223 ObserverArt

Of course not…nothing to scare people about new-fangled whiz-kid technology.

We’ve got to get back to steam powered cars to Make America Great Again.

Wait, steam can blow you up too.

As they tended to do…often!…back in the day.

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stpaulbear  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:24:10am

re: #223 ObserverArt

Of course not…nothing to scare people about new-fangled whiz-kid technology.

We’ve got to get back to steam powered cars to Make America Great Again.

Wait, steam can blow you up too.

Sultana Steamboat Disaster

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:27:37am

re: #223 ObserverArt

Of course not…nothing to scare people about new-fangled whiz-kid technology.

We’ve got to get back to steam powered cars to Make America Great Again.

Wait, steam can blow you up too.

Steam tractors still kill guys at tractor shows. Thankfully haven’t lost any of my close friends to that, but friends of friends.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:28:26am

re: #223 ObserverArt

Of course not…nothing to scare people about new-fangled whiz-kid technology.

We’ve got to get back to steam powered cars to Make America Great Again.

Wait, steam can blow you up too.

Reminds me of this comment of mine from a few years ago.

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ObserverArt  Mar 31, 2018 • 11:29:44am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

As they tended to do…often!…back in the day.

Many years back there were 4 killed and many injuries at an Ohio fairgrounds where they had a show of old steam threshers operating and one had an over pressurization problem and blew up and sent shrapnel all over. People seem to forget how powerful steam can be.

NYT - Steam Engine Blast at Ohio Fairgrounds Leaves 4 Men Dead

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 31, 2018 • 12:38:42pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Of course not…nothing to scare people about new-fangled whiz-kid technology.

We’ve got to get back to steam powered cars to Make America Great Again.

Wait, steam can blow you up too.

And it can still kill you even if it doesn’t blow you up. It’s what killed my Great Grandfather.


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