Breaking: Active Shooter Reported at YouTube Headquarters in San Bruno

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bill d. (b.d.)  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:35:21pm

Do we know if it’s terrorism or just a white person?

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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:37:40pm

More details about the YouTube building, which isn’t part of the main Google campus.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:38:09pm

re: #1 bill d. (b.d.)

Do we know if it’s terrorism or just a white person?

Currently being investigated:

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retired cynic  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:38:12pm

Re-post after CL’d:

Listening to Madeline Albright on Fresh Air: boy, is she not a fan! Flaying his hide with every word. Worth hearing.

Adding now: ripping John Bolton a new one. Some lady!

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Kragar  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:38:18pm

re: #1 bill d. (b.d.)

Do we know if it’s terrorism or just a white person?

Reports of one female shooter, possibly also one male, with wounded being taken to a local hospital, no hard numbers yet

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:38:30pm
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Single-handed sailor  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:38:45pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:38:46pm

NRA: We are gonna make our schools safer by putting good guys with a gun at the front door. That will fix the gun problem in America.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:39:14pm

It’ll take a while to sort it out. KRON and KTVU are playing it responsibly and sticking with the facts, such as they are.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:41:43pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Active shooter. Probably either a disgruntled tech bro or some gun nut whose channel they shut down / demonetized.

re: #140 makeitstop

That ABC link just said it was an adult white female shooter.

Dana?????

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:41:44pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

“It’s a false flag designed to discredit false flags!”

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:43:40pm

Just flipped on MSNBC. If there is a shooter or shooters still active, it seems pretty casual with all the people milling around outside. Wouldn’t they get them all to one place to account for them and make easier to protect them? Or, do they think they have the shooter(s) trapped within the building?

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Kragar  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:43:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:44:22pm

re: #13 Kragar

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Must be friends with Kevin Williamson.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:44:27pm

re: #1 bill d. (b.d.)

will it be on Youtube? (it’s wrong but…it had to be done).

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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:45:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:45:38pm

Early reports very likely to be wrong, of course.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:46:52pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

True, but damn…maybe Dana did lose her shit…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:47:25pm
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lawhawk  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:47:45pm

Local ABC affiliate is reporting all over the map as to what happened. Their filed report indicates a possible mass shooting, but the on-air news readers suggest that it was an attempted suicide:

Another law enforcement source confirms to ABC7 News reporter Dan Noyes that the shooter is a white, adult female wearing a dark top and head scarf.

The source told ABC7 News multiple people have been injured, including a shot to the chest. There are no reported fatalities at this time.

One employee confirms to ABC7 News that they have been evacuated. About 1,700 people work at the campus.

But the ABC on air talent is saying that this was not a mass shooting but an attempted suicide - self inflicted, and no other injured persons.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:48:15pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:48:20pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:48:49pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shadow banning censorship conservatives!

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:49:47pm

They are setting up a triage area next to the building.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:50:09pm
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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:50:16pm

re: #13 Kragar

I’m guessing that’ll win support among the Aryan Nations types in the panhandle.

Should lose the support of everyone else, but, sadly…

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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:50:24pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:51:01pm

re: #20 lawhawk

Local ABC affiliate is reporting all over the map as to what happened. Their filed report indicates a possible mass shooting, but the on-air news readers suggest that it was an attempted suicide:

But the ABC on air talent is saying that this was not a mass shooting but an attempted suicide - self inflicted, and no other injured persons.

Must have been a Russian suicide attempt…
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:51:29pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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One of those websites where I wish their servers would just go up in a puff of entropy along with all of their backups.

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:51:32pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Early reports very likely to be wrong, of course.

Pretty good chance that a lot of the takes after this is all over will be wrong too.

It all depends on what axes need grinding.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:51:52pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:52:21pm

KTVU has some new pics.

Apparently the cops are patting down people as they leave. Multiple patients at SF General.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:52:28pm

re: #29 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

One of those websites where I wish their servers would just go up in a puff of entropy along with all of their backups.

Why aren’t sites like that ever subject to a DDOS attack?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:53:36pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

KTVU has some new pics.

Apparently the cops are patting down people as they leave. Multiple patients at SF General.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:55:39pm

POTUS probably got his ‘sanctuary state’, ‘governor Moonbeam’ tweets ready to go.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:55:50pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Let’s face it, Sam Hyde is possibly the most prolific mass shooter in history.
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gocart mozart  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:57:06pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:58:24pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

Somebody was clearly still under the influence of those meds when he wrote that tweet.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:58:48pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 3, 2018 • 1:59:09pm

2 to 4 possible casualties. Live stream —> cbsloc.al

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:00:55pm

re: #40 Dr. Matt

2 to 4 possible casualties. Live stream —> cbsloc.al

The Revolution will not be televised

But the mass shootings will be live streamed.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:02:04pm

re: #13 Kragar

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Dr. Matt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:02:28pm

re: #40 Dr. Matt

2 to 4 possible casualties. Live stream —> cbsloc.al

CBS is claiming there is a female shooter.

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makeitstop  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:03:18pm

re: #43 Dr. Matt

CBS is claiming there is a female shooter.

ABC said the same thing earlier.

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:03:41pm

Looks like the nasty storm front that may contain tornado activity is bearing down on the area from just below Cleveland all the way back down to Louisville. Probably 45 minutes out. It’s springtime in the midwest. Buckle up!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:03:43pm

I’m thinking it wasn’t a suicide attempt

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Sir John Barron  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:04:04pm

re: #42 Ace-o-aces

Is also for ‘less government’, getting government off people’s backs, is in favor of ‘liberty’, etc.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:04:43pm

Coroner has been called to the scene.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:05:20pm

re: #42 Ace-o-aces

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A Sharia by another name.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:05:44pm

re: #47 Sir John Barron

Is also for ‘less government’, getting government off people’s backs, is in favor of ‘liberty’, etc.

Or individual rights.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:06:20pm

re: #47 Sir John Barron

Is also for ‘less government’, getting government off people’s backs, is in favor of ‘liberty’, etc.

A government small enough to fit in your genitals.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:06:32pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:10:08pm

NRA Head Wayne LaPierre: You never know where there is a bad guy with a gun. We saw that today at YouTube. There is only one way to make sure you are safe. Buy a gun. Buy three, you never know. Learn to shoot at the range be prepared. You might buy several for home and office, one for the car. You can never have too many guns.

Gun Manufacturer: Wayne how can we thank you?

NRA Head Wayne LaPierre: Just make sure you keep me protected from all those guns we push!

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:11:17pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

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m.xkcd.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:11:21pm

Sanity Break

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:13:48pm

“… Augusta National staff at this year’s Masters has reportedly been given a sheet with a list of sayings that are prohibited from the tournament. Among the list of phrases is “Dilly Dilly” the Bud Light slogan from its ad campaign during the NFL season, according to Bryce Ritchie of Bunkered Online.

Anyone who shouts one of the phrases on the list will be kicked out of the Masters immediately, Ritchie reported. …”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:14:18pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Guy who used Pizzagate to spread his name says what. Also not available for comment, Seth Rich.

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:14:53pm

MSNBC now reporting female suspect down and deceased.

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jaunte  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:15:37pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Dili Dili Dilisewi Maa Dase Aloke

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:17:15pm

Thread

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:19:31pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Thread

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O_o

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makeitstop  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:19:40pm

Cooking up an anti-Bezos scheme, probably.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:20:25pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Thread

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Sheeszus Christ.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:20:47pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

O_o

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danarchy  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:20:48pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

MSNBC now reporting female suspect down and deceased.

I just saw a witness interview where he said he saw the shooter and it was a guy dressed in grey. I am not going to believe anything until law enforcement has a press conference.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:21:00pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

He writes, quite passionately, that no man can violate his human rights, hold him in slavery, torture him, or interfere with his family.

makes perfect sense to any Biblical patriarch for whom family were chattel

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:24:11pm

re: #65 danarchy

I just saw a witness interview where he said he saw the shooter and it was a guy dressed in grey. I am not going to believe anything until law enforcement has a press conference.

You are right — but it may be premature to believe the first news conference. It often takes at least a day to find out the bare facts of the situation.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:24:38pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

MSNBC now reporting female suspect down and deceased.

re: #65 danarchy

I just saw a witness interview where he said he saw the shooter and it was a guy dressed in grey. I am not going to believe anything until law enforcement has a press conference.

CLEARLY A FALSED FLAG! WHICH IS IT, LIBZZ…..1 SHOOTER? 2 SHOOTERZ1!!1?? A MAIL? OR FEMAIL? THEY ARE ALL CRIZIS AKTORS!!!

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:28:07pm

Tornado sirens going off here in Columbus. Sounds like hail hitting southern part of the county. Gonna log out and keep an eye out for this crap.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:29:23pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Look, I know these guys are bugfuck insane, but it really seems pretty simple to me: if you’re here, the laws apply to you. If you don’t want the laws to apply to you, you can leave. If you want to stay here and not have the laws apply to you, you’re out of luck.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:30:03pm

re: #65 danarchy

I just saw a witness interview where he said he saw the shooter and it was a guy dressed in grey. I am not going to believe anything until law enforcement has a press conference.

24 hour rule.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:30:19pm
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MsJ  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:30:23pm

re: #69 ObserverArt

Tornado sirens going off here in Columbus. Sounds like hail hitting southern part of the county. Gonna log out and keep an eye out for this crap.

Be safe!!!!

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Charles Johnson  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:30:42pm
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jaunte  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:31:58pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:32:18pm

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

Well, not in Florida

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:32:45pm

re: #75 jaunte

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But don’t talk about guns.// Fucking hypocritical douche party.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:34:06pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:34:40pm
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Mike Lamb  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:37:44pm

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

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Leaving aside the fact that it is a school day, what kind of word salad bullshit is that?

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Dr. Matt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:38:48pm

San Bruno’s Chief of Police is reporting the shooter took her own life after shooting a male (likely her BF).

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:39:45pm

re: #81 Dr. Matt

San Bruno’s Chief of Police is reporting the shooter took her own life after shooting a male (likely her BF).

So a domestic violence crime rather than a mass shooting?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:40:19pm
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Dr. Matt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:40:19pm

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

So a domestic violence crime rather than a mass shooting?

So it seems.

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CongoJack  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:40:51pm

re: #75 jaunte

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So a few things.
1) Is everyone named Dana an asshat?
2) Is it me or does the congressman from Russia look like Rosanne Barr from that angle?

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scottslemmons  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:42:46pm

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

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Tell him you’re glad to hear he approves of banning assault rifles for everyone, not just men.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:43:13pm

re: #85 CongoJack

So a few things.
1) Is everyone named Dana an asshat?
2) Is it me or does the congressman from Russia look like Rosanne Barr from that angle?

1) No
2) No

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scottslemmons  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:44:51pm

re: #85 CongoJack

So a few things.
1) Is everyone named Dana an asshat?
2) Is it me or does the congressman from Russia look like Rosanne Barr from that angle?

1. Dana Scully is not an asshat.
2. Rohrabacher looks vaguely corpselike in that shot.

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Dr. Matt  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:44:53pm

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

So a domestic violence crime rather than a mass shooting?

Besides the shooter, there are 4 others with gunshot wounds. It’s not clear if they were all targeted or if she was “shooting her way out” after going after her BF.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:46:24pm

re: #89 Dr. Matt

Besides the shooter, there are 4 others with gunshot wounds. It’s not clear if they were all targeted or if she was “shooting her way out” after going after her BF.

Or collateral damage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:46:30pm

re: #70 Blind Frog Belly White

Look, I know these guys are bugfuck insane, but it really seems pretty simple to me: if you’re here, the laws apply to you. If you don’t want the laws to apply to you, you can leave. If you want to stay here and not have the laws apply to you, you’re out of luck.

In Germany there are the freie Reichsbürger, the Free Citizens of the Reich, who at least make an argument that the government of the Federal Republic of Germany as constituted from the Allied Occupation Forces in 1949, is not the legal successor to the German Reich that surrendered in 1945.

Granted, the way in which the FRG was constituted is full of some legal and political contradictions and inconsistencies that might need to be addressed, but they are still batshit crazy in insisting that it does not constitute a government whose laws are to recognized.

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Weaselone  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:47:07pm

re: #88 scottslemmons

1. Dana Scully is not an asshat.

Exactly. Fictional character.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:48:34pm

re: #72 Ace-o-aces

He’s in HIGH SCHOOL for fuck’s sake people.

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scottslemmons  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:50:42pm

re: #92 Weaselone

Exactly. Fictional character.

LIES.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:51:50pm

re: #92 Weaselone

Exactly. Fictional character.

Okay, how about Dana Carvey?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:51:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:55:10pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

They are ALL racists, Dan.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:55:41pm

re: #93 Ace-o-aces

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He’s in HIGH SCHOOL for fuck’s sake people.

I still don’t get why he’s supposed to say something immediately or why the shooter being a woman is some kind of “gotcha”.

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Kilroy was here  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:56:03pm

Trump administration targets Chinese electronics, aerospace and machinery goods with $50 billion in tariffs
washingtonpost.com

Hey lets if we can get the market down another couple percent tomorrow shall we?

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jaunte  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:56:22pm

The Trump administration is incompetent, top to bottom.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:56:27pm

re: #98 Mike Lamb

I still don’t get why he’s supposed to say something immediately or why the shooter being a woman is some kind of “gotcha”.

because it was not a mentally disturbed lone white male…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:56:31pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Oh but Kathy Griffin.//

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:57:26pm

re: #100 jaunte

The Trump administration is incompetent, top to bottom.

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Some shit you can’t make up. I’m surprised he didn’t introduce his wife as being from there.

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jaunte  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:58:35pm

Free Danzig!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 2:59:59pm

re: #104 jaunte

Free Danzig!

Gdansk like nobody’s watching.

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stpaulbear  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:00:36pm

re: #100 jaunte

The Trump administration is incompetent, top to bottom.

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They got their info from Oklahoma high school textbooks.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:00:52pm

re: #104 jaunte

Free Danzig!

No, Free Tibet. You get more real estate for your buck.

//

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BlueGrl21  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:01:54pm

re: #98 Mike Lamb

I still don’t get why he’s supposed to say something immediately or why the shooter being a woman is some kind of “gotcha”.

And not that it should ever matter, but a domestic dispute that turns into gun violence wouldn’t be a blip on the radar if it wasn’t a workplace shooting at YouTube. Happens, literally, every day, it’s just usually men shooting women.

A bit different than a guy with an assault rifle shooting up a school and randomly killing 17 people.

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:02:42pm

re: #93 Ace-o-aces

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Jack Burton  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:03:50pm

re: #100 jaunte

The Trump administration is incompetent, top to bottom.

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Well they are basically stupid Nazis… I don’t see how a late 1930s map of the eastern Lebensraum is out of character.

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scottslemmons  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:04:44pm

re: #110 Jack Burton

Well they are basically stupid Nazis… I don’t see how a late 1930s map of the eastern Lebensraum is out of character.

Miller probably thought it was an especially funny joke.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:05:26pm

re: #109 Belafon

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And maybe it’s not to job of the Parkland kids to respond to every public shooting that happens. They’re going to get really tired if they’re held to that standard, because this shit is daily.

Maybe it’s our job to do more to prevent the damn things so they can focus on, I don’t know, getting their college visits done?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:05:44pm

re: #109 Belafon

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He’s supposed to shut up but also expected to comment right away. So much crap directed at a kid. Wyatt Derp needs to find a new hobby.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:05:54pm

re: #99 Kilroy was here

Trump administration targets Chinese electronics, aerospace and machinery goods with $50 billion in tariffs
washingtonpost.com

Hey lets if we can get the market down another couple percent tomorrow shall we?

Oh my. Watch people start bitching when smartphones go way up in price.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:06:39pm

A reminder that in the mid- 23rd century all Captain Christoper Pike had was a a couple of damn flashing lights

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:06:41pm

re: #112 BlueGrl21

And maybe it’s not to job of the Parkland kids to respond to every public shooting that happens. They’re going to get really tired if they’re held to that standard, because this shit is daily.

Maybe it’s our job to do more to prevent the damn things so they can focus on, I don’t know, getting their college visits done?

I think it’s fairly near the middle of the academic quarter too.

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:07:00pm

re: #75 jaunte

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All those white people who showed up uninvited 400 years ago have let the place go to hell.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:07:03pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Upding for Wyatt Derp.

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stpaulbear  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:07:28pm

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh my. Watch people start bitching when smartphones go way up in price.

I’m glad that I upgraded my stereo this winter.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:07:57pm

re: #83 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

One of the shows is called Legends of Tomorrow, they are a rag tag band of C-list superheroes who become time travelers… this obviously leads to bad guys (usually speedsters like the Flash, but bad, and their associates) also being time travelers. This is Grodd, apparently time traveling to kill Obama (I don’t know for sure because I watch the shows on Netflix, so I have to wait for the season to end and then binge the fuck out of them).

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:09:17pm

re: #112 BlueGrl21

And maybe it’s not to job of the Parkland kids to respond to every public shooting that happens. They’re going to get really tired if they’re held to that standard, because this shit is daily.

Maybe it’s our job to do more to prevent the damn things so they can focus on, I don’t know, getting their college visits done?

Yep. I was just about to reply that maybe it’s us adults that should respond.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:09:33pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

I think it’s fairly near the middle of the academic quarter too.

Yes, it is. The kids have shit to do. They are leading a fight that too many people had no stomach for while dealing with PTSD and the rush of senior year in general, including college prep. It’s insane to expect these kids to do anything except their college visits, exams, and prom.

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gwangung  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:09:49pm

re: #120 KGxvi

One of the shows is called Legends of Tomorrow, they are a rag tag band of C-list superheroes who become time travelers… this obviously leads to bad guys (usually speedsters like the Flash, but bad, and their associates) also being time travelers. This is Grodd, apparently time traveling to kill Obama (I don’t know for sure because I watch the shows on Netflix, so I have to wait for the season to end and then binge the fuck out of them).

LEGENDS OF TOMORROW, from what I hear, specializes in WTF type of plots that still manage to hang together for the most part and entertain. After a leaden first season, they apparently embraced the craziness and just went for it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:10:13pm

re: #122 BlueGrl21

Yes, it is. The kids have shit to do. They are leading a fight that too many people had no stomach for while dealing with PTSD and the rush of senior year in general, including college prep. It’s insane to expect these kids to do anything except their college visits, exams, and prom.

There’s so little empathy for them. Makes me sick.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:10:22pm
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Kilroy was here  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:11:23pm

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh my. Watch people start bitching when smartphones go way up in price.

If it was only just smartphones.. Boeing and all the industries it supports will feel this. But have no fear Trump will make sure Iran buys Air Bus too.

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Kilroy was here  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:13:06pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A reminder that in the mid- 23rd century all Captain Christoper Pike had was a a couple of damn flashing lights

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I pity the person that has to clean out his load pan…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:14:25pm

re: #120 KGxvi

One of the shows is called Legends of Tomorrow, they are a rag tag band of C-list superheroes who become time travelers… this obviously leads to bad guys (usually speedsters like the Flash, but bad, and their associates) also being time travelers. This is Grodd, apparently time traveling to kill Obama (I don’t know for sure because I watch the shows on Netflix, so I have to wait for the season to end and then binge the fuck out of them).

I watched part of the first episode of Legends of Tomorrow on Netflix.
Never finished it, never watched another episode

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BlueGrl21  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:14:28pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

There’s so little empathy for them. Makes me sick.

I try to tell myself the people doing it have nothing to do with teenagers or they would be more empathic. I’m around them 24/7…my own as well as my husband’s players and students. I love kids that age.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:14:29pm

re: #123 gwangung

LEGENDS OF TOMORROW, from what I hear, specializes in WTF type of plots that still manage to hang together for the most part and entertain. After a leaden first season, they apparently embraced the craziness and just went for it.

The benefit of shows based on time travel is you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want. I think between the first and second season the show runners watched some Doctor Who and were like “ooooooohhhhhhhhh, that’s how this works?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:14:51pm

re: #93 Ace-o-aces

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He’s in HIGH SCHOOL for fuck’s sake people.

Gee, maybe he wanted to wait until we actually know stuff. That, and is there some kind of requirement that he comment on every use of firearms in the US?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:15:02pm

re: #128 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I watched part of the first episode of Legends of Tomorrow on Netflix.
Never finished it, never watched another episode

It got a lot better.

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stpaulbear  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:15:16pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

The trend of people not going to the mall was already starting 20 years ago. People used to get tons of catalogs through the mail and order by phone or from order forms.

I worked at an architectural firm that did retail spaces and the owner was already sounding the whistle about the death of retail.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:15:53pm

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because it was not a mentally disturbed lone white male…

But that actually hurts their argument.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:16:15pm

re: #130 KGxvi

The benefit of shows based on time travel is you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want. I think between the first and second season the show runners watched some Doctor Who and were like “ooooooohhhhhhhhh, that’s how this works?”

Considering that their lead actor had been a Companion on Doctor Who, you’d think they might have watched a bit of it before that.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:16:44pm

re: #93 Ace-o-aces

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He’s in HIGH SCHOOL for fuck’s sake people.

The people always harping that it is TOO SOON!! to talk about guns after a shooting are bitching that Hogg hasn’t said anything yet?

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:17:42pm

re: #135 Blind Frog Belly White

Considering that their lead actor had been a Companion on Doctor Who, you’d think they might have watched a bit of it before that.

True. But I think part of it was also the fact that the first season they sort of had to establish the rules and introduce viewers who probably never saw them in the comics to the whole concept.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:17:47pm

re: #129 BlueGrl21

I try to tell myself the people doing it have nothing to do with teenagers or they would be more empathic. I’m around them 24/7…my own as well as my husband’s players and students. I love kids that age.

I hear ya. I have a teenaged kid brother and I’ve gotten to know many of his peers through coaching and when he played baseball. They’re good kids too. Respectful but don’t treat me as if I’m an old bastard lol.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:18:23pm

re: #127 Kilroy was here

I pity the person that has to clean out his load pan…

I would assume one would use tribbles to blot everything up, and attach them to a flexible rod, to clean out any drainage lines.
Then wash them off and recycle

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:18:40pm

re: #133 stpaulbear

The trend of people not going to the mall was already starting 20 years ago. People used to get tons of catalogs through the mail and order by phone or from order forms.

Yeah the malls were declining when I was in high school.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:19:10pm

re: #128 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I watched part of the first episode of Legends of Tomorrow on Netflix.
Never finished it, never watched another episode

I did that with a time travel show on Hulu, Future Man. Such a weird show, still kind of surprised that a pilot was greenlit, let alone an entire season.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:21:40pm

re: #142 electrotek

Trump-loving nurse begs for donations after being fired for saying Stephon Clark ‘deserved’ to be shot

Wingnut grifting, sad.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:21:43pm
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retired cynic  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:22:53pm

Susan Bankston’s (Juanita Jean) son Mark Bankston is the attorney of record for Marcel Fontaine, the young Boston man who is suing Alex Jones for defamation in identifying him as the shooter at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Cool.

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electrotek  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:22:56pm

What I want to know is how the YouTube building doesn’t have strict security given its stature?

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danarchy  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:23:13pm

re: #141 KGxvi

I did that with a time travel show on Hulu, Future Man. Such a weird show, still kind of surprised that a pilot was greenlit, let alone an entire season.

Futureman was amusing. Apparently did well enough to get renewed for a second season.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:25:10pm

re: #147 danarchy

Futureman was amusing. Apparently did well enough to get renewed for a second season.

I found it cringe worthy, and I have a hard time watching comedies that make me cringe.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:25:19pm

re: #145 retired cynic

Susan Bankston’s (Juanita Jean) son Mark Bankston is the attorney of record for Marcel Fontaine, the young Boston man who is suing Alex Jones for defamation in identifying him as the shooter at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Cool.

I hope he ruins Alex.

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danarchy  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:29:14pm

re: #148 KGxvi

I found it cringe worthy, and I have a hard time watching comedies that make me cringe.

It was definitely sophomoric thoughtless humor. Sometimes that’s just what you need though.

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MsJ  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:30:07pm

re: #142 electrotek

Trump-loving nurse begs for donations after being fired for saying Stephon Clark ‘deserved’ to be shot

This won’t help her case.

A Sacramento-area nurse who was fired from her job for saying unarmed Stephon Clark deserved to be shot and killed by police for “being stupid,” is appealing for funds online while protesting that she is “a person of faith, and a nurse, I love all people and treat everyone equally.”

Righties won’t like that one bit.

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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:30:11pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It’ll take a while to sort it out. KRON and KTVU are playing it responsibly and sticking with the facts, such as they are.

So they haven’t been taken over by Sinclair yet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:30:51pm

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh my. Watch people start bitching when smartphones go way up in price.

I found a source that says each iPhone takes about 17 hrs labor total, at about $1.78/hr, by people who work >60 hours/week. About $30 in labor cost/iPhone.

Trump talks about Apple doing its manufacturing over here. Right. Okay, let’s see…

You can’t pay minimum wage for that kind of skilled work, so let’s assume $15/hr. Now your labor cost per phone is $255 - except that this DOESN’T include ALL of labor cost, since there’s FICA and health insurance and other benefits.

And at that, you’re talking $30K/year. That’s about 1.3 times poverty level for a family of 4. About the middle of the 2nd Quintile. And the labor cost on your iPhone is now almost 10 times higher.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:33:58pm

re: #146 electrotek

What I want to know is how the YouTube building doesn’t have strict security given its stature?

You would be amazed at how little security some of these campuses have. My current tech company is extremely locked down but I have worked places that were wide open.

I was working for Halliburton when Gulf War 2 began. They had massive government contracts at the time. Almost no security….one guard at the front door. Anyone could have pulled up to Halliburton corporate headquarters with a bomb or a gun and there was nothing to stop them. Someone got a clue and in 2 weeks we had barriers, bulletproof glass and new doors with multiple guards in place, a gatehouse with gates to get into the parking lot…militarized. Seems crazy my current employer has that and we’re just writing code. Freaking HALLIBURTON was wide open during a war.

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stpaulbear  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:35:07pm

I want to link to a post at Balloon Juice just because it’s a good post. It links to an Act Blue account that is being split evenly between all of the democratic house candidates running against incumbent republicans, and it also links to a Lawyers Guns & Money post about the republican shitshow we’d be experiencing had Hillary won the electoral college (not that it’s any less a shitshow with the toddler in office).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:35:37pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:38:37pm

re: #151 MsJ

I have a Trump loving nursing supervisor. Mind boggling from some who prides herself on critical thinking

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The Major  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:39:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:39:37pm

re: #154 BlueGrl21

You would be amazed at how little security some of these campuses have. My current tech company is extremely locked down but I have worked places that were wide open.

I was working for Halliburton when Gulf War 2 began. They had massive government contracts at the time. Almost no security….one guard at the front door. Anyone could have pulled up to Halliburton corporate headquarters with a bomb or a gun and there was nothing to stop them. Someone got a clue and in 2 weeks we had barriers, bulletproof glass and new doors with multiple guards in place, a gatehouse with gates to get into the parking lot…militarized. Seems crazy my current employer has that and we’re just writing code. Freaking HALLIBURTON was wide open during a war.

It’s hard to seem like a freewheeling, outside-the-box, disruptive startup, which all tech firms want to feel like, if everyone entering has to pass through a metal detector. A lot of companies, it’s no problem entering through any door as long as you have a cardkey. Nothing to stop you bringing in anything you can carry.

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gwangung  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:40:37pm

re: #158 The Major

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:40:49pm

re: #153 Blind Frog Belly White

I found a source that says each iPhone takes about 17 hrs labor total, at about $1.78/hr, by people who work >60 hours/week. About $30 in labor cost/iPhone.

Trump talks about Apple doing its manufacturing over here. Right. Okay, let’s see…

You can’t pay minimum wage for that kind of skilled work, so let’s assume $15/hr. Now your labor cost per phone is $255 - except that this DOESN’T include ALL of labor cost, since there’s FICA and health insurance and other benefits.

And at that, you’re talking $30K/year. That’s about 1.3 times poverty level for a family of 4. About the middle of the 2nd Quintile. And the labor cost on your iPhone is now almost 10 times higher.

Automation will just come that much faster. Computers building computers… we’re a decade away from the Matrix, or worse, an Inception on the Matrix - a Matrix within a Matrix.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:42:42pm

re: #161 KGxvi

Automation will just come that much faster. Computers building computers… we’re a decade away from the Matrix, or worse, an Inception on the Matrix - a Matrix within a Matrix.

We may live long enough for Artificial Intelligence to kill us all, if we survive Genuine Stupidity.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:45:55pm

re: #158 The Major

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:47:51pm

re: #147 danarchy

Futureman was amusing. Apparently did well enough to get renewed for a second season.

It’s stupid, but funny. “Did you just try to go rat-hole to rat-hole with me?”

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danarchy  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:48:01pm

re: #153 Blind Frog Belly White

I found a source that says each iPhone takes about 17 hrs labor total, at about $1.78/hr, by people who work >60 hours/week. About $30 in labor cost/iPhone.

Trump talks about Apple doing its manufacturing over here. Right. Okay, let’s see…

You can’t pay minimum wage for that kind of skilled work, so let’s assume $15/hr. Now your labor cost per phone is $255 - except that this DOESN’T include ALL of labor cost, since there’s FICA and health insurance and other benefits.

And at that, you’re talking $30K/year. That’s about 1.3 times poverty level for a family of 4. About the middle of the 2nd Quintile. And the labor cost on your iPhone is now almost 10 times higher.

Any US factory would have to be far more automated. I am not saying it is practical or it would happen, but your math ignores the fact that the US employees are 5x more productive than Chinese employees. Not a slight on Chinese workers, they are just not given the support to be more productive because labor is so cheap.

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The Major  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:49:48pm

re: #160 gwangung

You know what they say about assuming….

True - Lucian is a grade A douchecanoe - with press credentials…..

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bill d. (b.d.)  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:50:03pm

re: #158 The Major

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:50:12pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:51:23pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:51:40pm

re: #165 danarchy

Any US factory would have to be far more automated. I am not saying it is practical or it would happen, but your math ignores the fact that the US employees are 5x more productive than Chinese employees. Not a slight on Chinese workers, they are just not given the support to be more productive because labor is so cheap.

You pretty much nailed it. US workers are so expensive that it pays for companies to find ways to make each individual worker as efficient as possible. In other countries, labor is cheap, so the simplest and cheapest solution to most problems is usually, “Throw more bodies at it.”

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stpaulbear  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:55:28pm

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

We may live long enough for Artificial Intelligence to kill us all, if we survive Genuine Stupidity.

Microscopic Chinese.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:55:37pm

re: #170 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You pretty much nailed it. US workers are so expensive that it pays for companies to find ways to make each individual worker as efficient as possible. In other countries, labor is cheap, so the simplest and cheapest solution to most problems is usually, “Throw more bodies at it.”

Or, “Why manufacturing ain’t coming back, and if it does, it’s not gonna pay millions of High School graduates enough to buy a house and send their kids to college”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:55:47pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:58:34pm

re: #169 gocart mozart

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We should call him Zardoz.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 3, 2018 • 3:59:30pm

Isn’t this pretty much the opposite of what the GOP promised? Also, is there any economic theory in which this makes sense?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:00:57pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

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Isn’t this pretty much the opposite of what the GOP promised? Also, is there any economic theory in which this makes sense?

Republicans want cheap, desperate, labor to exploit.

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The Major  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:02:12pm
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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:03:15pm

re: #161 KGxvi

Automation will just come that much faster. Computers building computers… we’re a decade away from the Matrix, or worse, an Inception on the Matrix - a Matrix within a Matrix.

I was thinking about this last night and this morning. The next big battle, which is slowly heating up, though we’re not on board as a country yet, is network security. So many devices and so many of the things we use are now online. Someone posted an article about earlier about the attacks on 911 systems. One of the next big jobs will be various forms of security, some of it technical.

What this whole thing reminds me of is a complex living organism such as the human body. In addition to all of our cells working together to eat and sleep (and code), one of the big functions of our body is to keep us from getting sick, by going after the things that come into our body. At some level, the interconnectedness of us is another evolution, but at a larger scale than we can think of, very similar to how a muscle cell has not clue what it’s doing.

(Here’s were I get fanciful): What if we’re not heading toward that robot takeover, but more along the lines of being part of some larger intelligence that we’re unable to detect? We go on through our days, our lives, the advancements of our cultures, to enable a higher order intelligence?

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:03:21pm

re: #153 Blind Frog Belly White

I found a source that says each iPhone takes about 17 hrs labor total, at about $1.78/hr, by people who work >60 hours/week. About $30 in labor cost/iPhone.

Trump talks about Apple doing its manufacturing over here. Right. Okay, let’s see…

You can’t pay minimum wage for that kind of skilled work, so let’s assume $15/hr. Now your labor cost per phone is $255 - except that this DOESN’T include ALL of labor cost, since there’s FICA and health insurance and other benefits.

And at that, you’re talking $30K/year. That’s about 1.3 times poverty level for a family of 4. About the middle of the 2nd Quintile. And the labor cost on your iPhone is now almost 10 times higher.

If you’re going to build them in the Bay Area, I can suggest you at least double that figure. And you’re still likely to have trouble finding qualified people. You may be able to train people elsewhere who will work for less, but it would take some time to get up to speed.

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Kilroy was here  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:04:18pm

re: #100 jaunte

Found the map.. it is from 1923. From a wiki page.
Image: 20130125141455%21Europe_in_1923.jpg

Out tax dollars well spent…

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BigPapa  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:04:46pm

Fake But Accurate

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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:06:28pm

re: #177 The Major

What infrastructure policy, unless making every other week Infrastructure Week is the policy.

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:06:41pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

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Isn’t this pretty much the opposite of what the GOP promised? Also, is there any economic theory in which this makes sense?

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:07:07pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

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Isn’t this pretty much the opposite of what the GOP promised? Also, is there any economic theory in which this makes sense?

ok, so here’s what we’re going to do… we are going to cut taxes in order to increase corporate profits and get more money to the investor class

So, how does that help the economy?

more capital to invest! Duh

But what about wages?

You’re right, they are way too high

Wait, what?

wages are just more costs for a business, making them less profitable. So we’re going to force wages down to businesses will be more profitable

Um, you do realize that workers are also consumers, right? And that lower wages means less money for people to spend on goods and services from those businesses, right?

Huh? No, you see, we cut corporate taxes, so this’ll all work out

But…

CORPORATE GOTDAM MOTHERFUCKING TAX CUTS!

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VegasGolfer  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:08:46pm

re: #151 MsJ

I just sent some thoughts and prayers.

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JordanRules  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:08:55pm

re: #154 BlueGrl21

You would be amazed at how little security some of these campuses have. My current tech company is extremely locked down but I have worked places that were wide open.

I was working for Halliburton when Gulf War 2 began. They had massive government contracts at the time. Almost no security….one guard at the front door. Anyone could have pulled up to Halliburton corporate headquarters with a bomb or a gun and there was nothing to stop them. Someone got a clue and in 2 weeks we had barriers, bulletproof glass and new doors with multiple guards in place, a gatehouse with gates to get into the parking lot…militarized. Seems crazy my current employer has that and we’re just writing code. Freaking HALLIBURTON was wide open during a war.

Maybe I’m living in la la land but it seems normal to me that most places don’t have heavy security. I worked at a major aerospace company in the mid 90s in Phoenix. Just one guard shack where you showed a badge to drive into the parking lot, that’s it and nobody thought anything of it.

Is this a newer concern? Overton window thing?
Like most places we go are just open and anyone can bring anything in at any time.

Sigh. I remember when schools were pretty damn open too.

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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:09:10pm

re: #183 Belafon

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I think behind closed doors this is exactly what the GOP promised it’s billionaire donors. Only the Trump voters were fooled.

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Jay C  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:09:44pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

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Isn’t this pretty much the opposite of what the GOP promised? Also, is there any economic theory in which this makes sense?

OK: even with my qualifications as an Internet Economist*, this makes little sense. I’m supposing that Navarro is trying to push the line that so many jobs are going to be created by the GOP/Trump’s tax scam that employers will have the luxury of picking and choosing their wage bases to maximum advantage (i.e. as cheapskate as can be gotten away with).
But then, like most Republican economic nostrums, it’s probably completely wrong, and bears no relation to real-world conditions: IOW, it will be fervently believed and its failures (if ever uncovered) will be blamed on Hillary Clinton or somebody else. ALWAYS “Somebody Else”.

*none actually, but who’s checking?

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:10:11pm

re: #178 Belafon

(Here’s were I get fanciful): What if we’re not heading toward that robot takeover, but more along the lines of being part of some larger intelligence that we’re unable to detect? We go on through our days, our lives, the advancements of our cultures, to enable a higher order intelligence?

Feels like a cross between the Giants of Ganymede series and something from Doctor Who/Torchwood.

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:11:01pm

re: #184 KGxvi

My beloved, but wingnutty, nephew believes that people will work harder and make more money when they see things they want to buy. So basically, if you want to improve the economy, factories should produce, and stores should stock, lots of great stuff so people will have the incentive to make more money to buy the great stuff.
I don’t think he is very savvy about economics.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:13:06pm

re: #188 Jay C

OK: even with my qualifications as an Internet Economist*, this makes little sense. I’m supposing that Navarro is trying to push the line that so many jobs are going to be created by the GOP/Trump’s tax scam that employers will have the luxury of picking and choosing their wage bases to maximum advantage (i.e. as cheapskate as can be gotten away with).
But then, like most Republican economic nostrums, it’s probably completely wrong, and bears no relation to real-world conditions: IOW, it will be fervently believed and its failures (if ever uncovered) will be blamed on Hillary Clinton or somebody else. ALWAYS “Somebody Else”.

*none actually, but who’s checking?

I thought it was a basic tenant of economics that more jobs usually means HIGHER wages because there is a smaller supply of labor. Wages tend to drop when there are FEWER jobs - either because people have to take pay cuts or because there is an overabundance of labor looking for work.

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ckkatz  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:14:10pm

re: #178 Belafon

What if we’re not heading toward that robot takeover, but more along the lines of being part of some larger intelligence that we’re unable to detect?

Of course we could already be there. ;)

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:14:41pm

re: #169 gocart mozart

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:15:10pm

re: #188 Jay C

OK: even with my qualifications as an Internet Economist*, this makes little sense. I’m supposing that Navarro is trying to push the line that so many jobs are going to be created by the GOP/Trump’s tax scam that employers will have the luxury of picking and choosing their wage bases to maximum advantage (i.e. as cheapskate as can be gotten away with).
But then, like most Republican economic nostrums, it’s probably completely wrong, and bears no relation to real-world conditions: IOW, it will be fervently believed and its failures (if ever uncovered) will be blamed on Hillary Clinton or somebody else. ALWAYS “Somebody Else”.

*none actually, but who’s checking?

If you create more jobs than people who will work, then the thing in short supply, people, becomes more expensive. They think supply and demand only works for goods.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:15:52pm

re: #194 Belafon

If you create more jobs than people who will work, then the thing in short supply, people, becomes more expensive. They think supply and demand only works for goods.

Well, remember, these are the “trickle-down economics” people. Their economic thinking is completely bass-ackwards from the ground up.

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Jay C  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:19:12pm

re: #195 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, remember, these are the “trickle-down economics” people. Their economic thinking is completely bass-ackwards from the ground up.

Quite true, but it works just fine for the real constituencies it was designed to benefit: the biggest corporations, the wealthiest individuals, with the “trickle-down” mainly limited to the upper echelons of the possessor class. They, at least, have gotten what they paid for….

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:21:07pm

re: #190 calochortus

My beloved, but wingnutty, nephew believes that people will work harder and make more money when they see things they want to buy. So basically, if you want to improve the economy, factories should produce, and stores should stock, lots of great stuff so people will have the incentive to make more money to buy the great stuff.
I don’t think he is very savvy about economics.

It actually kind of works in reverse. Yes people can be induced to buy more, but since humans are inherently irrational, mimetic creatures that doesn’t mean they can afford more.

Neighbors of lottery winners are significantly more likely to declare bankruptcy within a few years of the big event than are people living near ordinary folks, according to a 2016 study. The study focused on lottery winners in Canada, and found that every $1,000 increase in lottery winnings raises the risk of bankruptcy among the neighbors by roughly 2.4 percent.

Why the negative ripple effect? When people win the lottery, they often spend some of the money on envy-inducing goodies like new cars, boats, and supersized TVs. Researchers say that these lifestyle upgrades then tempt their neighbors to boost their own spending on visible markers of prosperity, even though they haven’t had a sudden run of financial luck. Down the road, that leads to more bankruptcies, said Sumit Agarwal, a professor of finance at Georgetown University’s McDonough School of Business and an author of the study.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:21:35pm

re: #190 calochortus

My beloved, but wingnutty, nephew believes that people will work harder and make more money when they see things they want to buy. So basically, if you want to improve the economy, factories should produce, and stores should stock, lots of great stuff so people will have the incentive to make more money to buy the great stuff.
I don’t think he is very savvy about economics.

There’s some truth to that if enough consumers have disposable income. If my take home pay outpaces my bills by say, a thousand dollars a month, I’m more likely to see something I want and buy it than if I’m living paycheck to paycheck.

But working harder or longer doesn’t necessarily lead to higher pay and thus disposable income. Most employers don’t want to pay overtime. And they aren’t typically handing out raises like candy either. So, that part of the model fails a bit.

Personally, I think a holistic approach (for lack of a better word) is necessary when dealing with the economy. It’s all too interconnected to think that there is one fix to solve everything.

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wrenchwench  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:22:50pm

There’s no security in my workplace.

I have a mouse in my backroom.

Gonna have to bring the cats back. Too bad for them. They like it at home where the kibble stays where they leave it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:23:26pm

re: #186 JordanRules

Maybe I’m living in la la land but it seems normal to me that most places don’t have heavy security. I worked at a major aerospace company in the mid 90s in Phoenix. Just one guard shack where you showed a badge to drive into the parking lot, that’s it and nobody thought anything of it.

Is this a newer concern? Overton window thing?
Like most places we go are just open and anyone can bring anything in at any time.

Sigh. I remember when schools were pretty damn open too.

My office was secured a couple of years ago. Now you need a card to get in the door, and the receptionist is on a TV.

YouTube enables lunatics, so when they cut them off, they could be in danger.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:27:03pm

re: #200 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

My office was secured a couple of years ago. Now you need a card to get in the door, and the receptionist is on a TV.

YouTube enables lunatics, so when they cut them off, they could be in danger.

The new trend in human resources practices is to let people go at the end of the day on Fridays. The basic idea is that they have a cool down period between when they’re let go and when people would be back at work, so they would be less likely to come back and cause a scene/shooting.

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:27:38pm

re: #197 goddamnedfrank

Interesting. However these consumers presumably went into debt to purchase things rather than working harder to make more money, so my dear nephew’s theory still fails.

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BigPapa  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:29:17pm
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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:29:57pm

re: #198 KGxvi

There’s some truth to that if enough consumers have disposable income. If my take home pay outpaces my bills by say, a thousand dollars a month, I’m more likely to see something I want and buy it than if I’m living paycheck to paycheck.

But working harder or longer doesn’t necessarily lead to higher pay and thus disposable income. Most employers don’t want to pay overtime. And they aren’t typically handing out raises like candy either. So, that part of the model fails a bit.

Personally, I think a holistic approach (for lack of a better word) is necessary when dealing with the economy. It’s all too interconnected to think that there is one fix to solve everything.

And that’s the problem. Wanting to buy things doesn’t provide economic opportunities. There might have been some truth to the idea back in the day when housewives might take a part time job to help pay for things a family wanted, but now most couples are already dual income.

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JordanRules  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:30:12pm
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Jay C  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:30:49pm

The latest on the YouTube shootings: updates about 4:00 PT: the shooter was a woman who is now believed to have shot and killed herself, after going on a rampage at YouTube. One man and one woman are reported as being in critical condition at a local hospital; another woman was wounded less severely.

No identification as yet of either shooter or victims.

No info as to possible motives, either.

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:31:44pm

re: #205 JordanRules

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My surprise, etc.

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KGxvi  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:32:22pm

re: #203 BigPapa

From the article:

“This is essentially a political lawsuit and is a Kwok of Schiff,” Stone told The New Times. “None of my reporting rises to the level of defamation. Mr. Kwok tweeted himself about his support for Steve Bannon’s projects, and now he’s suing me for reporting on it?… While I doubt this meritless suit will ever get to trial, my attorneys are very anxious to question Mr. Kwok about his relationship with both Chinese and American intelligence agencies.”

He’s suing you, Roger, because you said he was guilty of and convicted for financial crimes. That is pretty much defamation per se, so the case is not meritless, and your attorneys should be more concerned about negotiating a settlement quickly before a motion for summary judgment is filed and the court awards the plaintiff a very large sum of money.

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sagehen  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:33:42pm

re: #120 KGxvi

One of the shows is called Legends of Tomorrow, they are a rag tag band of C-list superheroes who become time travelers… this obviously leads to bad guys (usually speedsters like the Flash, but bad, and their associates) also being time travelers. This is Grodd, apparently time traveling to kill Obama (I don’t know for sure because I watch the shows on Netflix, so I have to wait for the season to end and then binge the fuck out of them).

I actually watched this episode….

Click to Reveal

Grodd goes to Occidental College in 1979 to try to kill Barak Obama, who keep insisting he be called Barry. The Legends show up in time to save him; they also keep calling him Barak. He says “hmmm, that is the name on my birth certificate.” Sarah tells him “you might want to hold on to that.” Then they zap him with a memory thingie kinda like the one from Men in Black.

This brief, pre-opening credits vignette has no relation to the rest of the episode.

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ckkatz  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:36:21pm

re: #178 Belafon

I agree with you that world has gotton amazingly inter-networked in the past 50 years. We have been reaping major benefits from this communications and data revolution. (And it is a revolution, not an evolution, I believe.)

I also agree with a point that I think you are making, which is the improvements are not only technical, but also social and cultural. (Your looking at humans as a single organism.)

But we are also beginning to find some of negatives. And as you point out, our systems and organizations are showing weaknesses in this new environment.

I am optimistic that the important parts of our society, organizations and systems will survive. But I suspect that their forms will be modified in ways we cannot yet see. And only if we get out there and fight like hell to save them.

But yes, hold on to your hats! There is a lot of change already happening. Hopefully it will not require a series of major world wars, like the last set of changes.

Edit: Corrected ‘serious’ to ‘series’.

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BigPapa  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:37:12pm

re: #208 KGxvi

‘Kwok of Schiff’ is racist tacky. Just like Roger Stone himself.

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:39:41pm

Here’s that End the NRA sign out on I-30 between Caddo Mills and Royse City on 1-30 I mentioned the other day. It’s about as good as I can get with a phone while driving 80 mph:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:40:06pm

re: #45 ObserverArt

Looks like the nasty storm front that may contain tornado activity is bearing down on the area from just below Cleveland all the way back down to Louisville. Probably 45 minutes out. It’s springtime in the midwest. Buckle up!

44 years ago today, Art…yep, tis the season.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:40:19pm

Voted today for Rebecca Dallet for Wisconsin Supreme Court.

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Skip Intro  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:42:39pm

re: #208 KGxvi

Stone is calling himself a reporter now? That’s funny.

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Archangelus  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:43:53pm
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Amory Blaine  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:47:13pm

re: #214 Amory Blaine

Gov. Scott Walker removes most abortion coverage for Wisconsin public workers

Most abortions for state and local workers would not be covered by their public insurance plans, under legislation signed by Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Tuesday.

Assembly Bill 128 prohibits government-provided health insurance plans from paying for abortions except in cases of rape or incest or to preserve the life of the mother. The restriction would apply to state workers and thousands of local government employees who get their coverage through the state Group Insurance Board.

Democrats said the measure was unnecessary because under previous state law state health plans would pay for an abortion only if a doctor has determined it is medically necessary. But supporters argued that the state needed to tighten the policy to protect taxpayers who have religious objections to their money being used in this way.

“Wisconsin Right to Life has been waiting 23 years for this major step to roll back taxpayer funding for abortion, and we are very happy to see this long-awaited legislation signed into law,” said Heather Weininger, executive director of the anti-abortion group Wisconsin Right to Life.

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plansbandc  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:48:03pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I usually hate the smarmy Masters bullshit but this is something I can definitely get behind.

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Belafon  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:49:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:54:24pm

I’m guessing the shooter was native born, and white

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:56:28pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

44 years ago today, Art…yep, tis the season.

The storm passed by the center of the city pretty much, we did get some wind and rain. The southern part of the county was hammered with hail and wind.

Last I heard there wasn’t any tornadoes spotted so we got past that one. Pretty ugly colors on the weather maps there for awhile. Grove City had gone to dark red to purple to black. Never saw that before. That’s where the 2” hail was.

Rumbling out there still. I guess we are active until midnight.

I had forgotten Xenia happened of this date. Damn. Still remember how warm and humid it was that day. And I’ll never forget the pile of papers delivered onto the property of a friend’s family farm a good 90+ miles away up near my old hometown all from one family in Xenia.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 3, 2018 • 4:57:14pm

re: #219 Belafon

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ObserverArt  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:01:32pm

Heard earlier in the MSNBC coverage of the YouTube shooting. Uttered by one Brian Williams.

It is a bizarre comment but then we are in a bizarre time so it rings true too, sadly.

“They can say they were connected to a workplace shooting”

He was talking about the workers and their usual everyday experience and then today happened.

I guess in time just about every American is going to have to face one. Whoopee. Where do we get the t-shirt?

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EPR-radar  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:01:41pm

re: #219 Belafon

“Trump is not a racist” is a mating call of the deplorables.

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MsJ  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:05:46pm

re: #220 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m guessing the shooter was native born, and white

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Native born being outside of California.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:07:29pm

Let It Huckabee | The Daily Show

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:09:46pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Heard earlier in the MSNBC coverage of the YouTube shooting. Uttered by one Brian Williams.

It is a bizarre comment but then we are in a bizarre time so it rings true too, sadly.

“They can say they were connected to a workplace shooting”

He was talking about the workers and their usual everyday experience and then today happened.

I guess in time just about every American is going to have to face one. Whoopee. Where do we get the t-shirt?

The closest I’ve come was an idiot pointing a rifle at my head after a misfire in Boy Scouts. The instructor took his rifle.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:12:21pm

re: #227 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The closest I’ve come was an idiot pointing a rifle at my head after a misfire in Boy Scouts. The instructor took his rifle.

I’ve seen a couple of open carry nuts around. A few years ago there was a shooting at our local Wal-Mart about 15 minutes after I left.

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:15:49pm

Well, as far as I can figure out from the report on the local news, the YouTube shooter is dead, 3 people are at SF General-a man in critical condition, a woman in serious condition and a woman in fair condition. Early reports had some casualties being transported to Stanford Hospital (next closest trauma center) but apparently not-which doesn’t surprise me since I heard neither sirens nor helicopters earlier.
So, not good, but it presumably could have been worse.

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Varek Raith  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:17:52pm

America; Home of the Mass Shooting

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:20:44pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

America; Home of the Mass Shooting

Oh say can you see by the barrels bright light,
What so proudly we hailed at the NRAs gleaming.
Who’s brought AR-15s and high capacity clips,
And don’t care about the blood
As the people run screaming…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:21:35pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:23:28pm

re: #232 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The Trump family promised lots of people lots of things. You see how well that’s working out.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:33:26pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:35:40pm

re: #234 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wouldn’t surprise me if he was having an affair with one of the others she shot. Or both of them.

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:37:31pm

re: #234 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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There was also a comment on the local news that the FBI was looking into the shooting because some things didn’t add up.
I have no idea whether it is true or not.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:38:46pm

re: #235 GlutenFreeJesus

Wouldn’t surprise me if he was having an affair with one of the others she shot. Or both of them.

Or, as I mentioned, collateral damage. Do we know what she shot them with?

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:41:01pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Fuck ‘em.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:42:39pm

re: #237 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Or, as I mentioned, collateral damage. Do we know what she shot them with?

My guess is a pistol. A rifle would have born (bourne?) much worse results.

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:43:28pm

re: #237 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Or, as I mentioned, collateral damage. Do we know what she shot them with?

Only described as a handgun, but apparently a lot of shots.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:45:46pm

re: #240 calochortus

Only described as a handgun, but apparently a lot of shots.

Which makes me wonder if she “pumped his guts full o’ lead” and some of the bullets were through-and-through that hit other people nearby. Or perhaps firing at a target that was running away from her.

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:48:54pm

re: #241 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Which makes me wonder if she “pumped his guts full o’ lead” and some of the bullets were through-and-through that hit other people nearby. Or perhaps firing at a target that was running away from her.

I don’t know, but apparently only 3 people were hit. One woman was hit in the calf, the other two victims are in much worse shape. It occurred in a patio area, so people could scatter pretty effectively.

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calochortus  Apr 3, 2018 • 5:51:28pm

Anyhoo, it’s dinner time here.
BBL

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wheat-dogg  Apr 3, 2018 • 10:36:18pm

re: #209 sagehen

The Legends series is geared more toward kids, who are not going to care too much about the plot holes, but the writers manage to get in some humor for the adults, too. It is definitely not serious TV, but it has some appealing qualities. One of the Legends (Sara Lance) is openly lesbian and her teammates are cool with that. She was also killed and resurrected, and her sister was killed and not resurrected, so she’s got some issues with that. Rory, a former bad guy, drinks beer a lot and his teammates are trying to get him to cut down or stop. Each of the legends seem to have some major malfunction in their life, and the running joke in the series that they somehow, like Maxwell Smart, manage to fumble around yet still complete their mission in a mostly satisfactory way.

However, most of the problems popping up in this season resulted from some time-traveling blunders made by the team in the last one. So, now they are running around trying to make everything right again.

It’s light TV. If you’re looking for anything substantive, look elsewhere. Legends of Tomorrow is kind of the comedic answer to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.


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