The Bob Cesca Show: Drug and People Flows

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Drug And People Flows: NSFW; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; Shitty Grandpa is ranting on Twitter again; Trump goes to war against Amazon; Amazon cost Trump $400 million in net worth; Sinclair Broadcasting and Fake News; Van Der Zwaan sentenced to 30 days in prison; Rosenstein authorized Mueller to investigate Manafort’s collusion; Study shows fake news won the election for Trump; Trump will use the military to stop immigrants from entering; and much more.

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237 comments

1
Kragar  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:43:24pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:43:32pm

Stop the Caravan of Destruction before it inundates us!

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:44:04pm

So the Dow is up for the day. This will not teach Trump any lessons.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:45:05pm

Listening to KCRW right now; the anti-immigation hysteria being stirred up by Fox, Trump and the usual gang of idiots is leading the fearful RWNJ sheep to show up at Orange County city council meetings, screaming about “taking our country back.”

The appeal of the modern GOP is racism & hatred of “the other.” Full stop.

The only reason people vote for the GOP is to punish and hurt people of color, LGBT, women, kids who don’t sufficiently hump gunz, etc.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:46:09pm

More on my demand for Melania’s immigration records.

I’m still working on my random capitalization.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:51:01pm

re: #4 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Listening to KCRW right now; the anti-immigation hysteria being stirred up by Fox, Trump and the usual gang of idiots is leading the fearful RWNJ sheep to show up at Orange County city council meetings, screaming about “taking our country back.”

The appeal of the modern GOP is racism & hatred of “the other.” Full stop.

The only reason people vote for the GOP is to punish and hurt people of color, LGBT, women, kids who don’t sufficiently hump gunz, etc.

And this will be the Ebola of this election, because “taking care of immigrants in your country, because you were once one” is no longer something a Christian nation follows.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:55:41pm

Trumpers are so fucking stupid.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:57:55pm

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Stop the Caravan of Destruction before it inundates us!

But it looks so sleek…

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Mike Lamb  Apr 4, 2018 • 12:58:12pm

How long before Trump claims the National Guard is the wall?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:00:31pm

re: #9 Mike Lamb

How long before Trump claims the National Guard is the wall?

Southpark - Operation human shield.

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:02:19pm

Heard on the grapevine - Giuliani is getting a divorce. Time to trade Judi in for a new model, so to speak.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:03:13pm

re: #11 makeitstop

Heard on the grapevine - Giuliani is getting a divorce. Time to trade Judi in for a new model, so to speak.

Family Values FTW!

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:05:15pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:06:57pm

re: #11 makeitstop

Heard on the grapevine - Giuliani is getting a divorce. Time to trade Judi in for a new model, so to speak.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:07:43pm

re: #3 Hecuba’s daughter

So the Dow is up for the day. This will not teach Trump any lessons.

Just heard Ali Velshi close out his MSNBC show explaining the up and down today. Apparently Larry Kudlow made a statement somewhere saying there is a good chance Trump will not go forward with the tariffs and that reversed the trend for the day.

However, what is strange is the video posted in the last thread where Kudlow was saying to Fox be patient this will all work out and there will be a pot of gold at the rainbow’s end.

Mixed messages seems to be the Trump way. It also shows no one knows what they are saying and doing.

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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:08:59pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

More on my demand for Melania’s immigration records.

I’m still working on my random capitalization.

Simulating your inner crazy takes a lot of work, apparently.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:09:59pm

re: #13 jaunte

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:10:55pm

Imagine the RWNJ reaction if Obama had suggested sending troops to the border.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:11:33pm

“Caravan of Destruction”
That’s it! I’ve been thinking about giving my Dodge minivan a name when it rolls over 200,000 miles, probably later this week.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:11:36pm

“This is, of course, insane” — Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce)

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:12:56pm

re: #20 Ace-o-aces

do reporters clean up the quotes to protect his identity?

Absolutely.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:13:19pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Imagine the RWNJ reaction if Obama had suggested sending troops to the border.

Remember Jade Helm?

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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:14:27pm

re: #20 Ace-o-aces

President Trump Is Still Posing as Anonymous Source to Leak Favorable News to Reporters: New Book people.com via @people

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) April 4, 2018

My question here is, given Trump’s scattershot syntax and general incoherence when addressing issues, do reporters clean up the quotes to protect his identity? pic.twitter.com

— Schooley (@Rschooley) April 4, 2018

This is, of course, insane

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) November 16, 2016

John Barron’s out of retirement!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:14:51pm

re: #20 Ace-o-aces

And how the fuck do they not know it’s him?? Or maybe they do and they just go with it.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:15:11pm

re: #13 jaunte

CARAVAN OF DESTRUCTION DEEP STATE OBAMA SHADOW GOVERNMENT!

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Sir John Barron  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:15:33pm

I hope the Caravan of Destruction is not bringing the Giant Bees Invasion.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:16:33pm

Caravan of Destruction would be a great name for a Metal festival.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:16:51pm

re: #26 Sir John Barron

Purina’s Caravan of Destruction is the dog food brand to replace Purina Chuck Wagon.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:18:07pm

For large, active breeds.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:19:00pm

Trump Administration Eliminates Breast Cancer

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:20:28pm

“…Among the material removed is information about provisions of the Affordable Care Act that require coverage of no-cost breast cancer screenings for certain women, as well as links to a free cancer screening program administered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).”

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:21:26pm

In light of the day, week, month and last year plus…this song from one of my favorite bands of the 70s speaks to Trump and all his gang in the White House, etc. Some of you may remember the Three Dog Night version. It is an Argent tune, and I love the mystery of their original version recording. It goes to Trump’s base.

Argent - Liar [Original Version] (1970)

Argent - Liar Lyrics
I won’t ever leave, you want me to stay
Nothing you can do that could turn me away
Hanging on anyway, believing the things you say
Being a fool

You’ve taken my life, so take my soul
That’s what you said and I believed it all
I want to be with you as long as you want me to
But don’t move away

Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?

Liar, liar, liar

May I see no light, may I see no day
I may be leaving but you want me to stay
You can believe in me, I won’t be leaving
I won’t let you go

Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?

Liar, liar, liar

You’ve taken my life, so take my soul
That’s what you said but who are we to know
I want to be with you as long as you want me to
So don’t move away

Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?
Ain’t that what you said?

Liar, liar, liar

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Sir John Barron  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:21:54pm

re: #30 jaunte

Trump Administration Eliminates Breast Cancer

Maybe the webpage needs to be updated to reflect the latest from that weird Natural Life guy on the Intertubes.

/

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:22:18pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

And how the fuck do they not know it’s him?? Or maybe they do and they just go with it.

They know it’s him. If you get a call from a rambling dumbass promoting Trump, it’s Trump.

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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:23:46pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

And how the fuck do they not know it’s him?? Or maybe they do and they just go with it.

Given how the shitgibbon speaks, they can’t not know it’s him on the phone…it sounds like craven complicitness for access to me.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:24:40pm

re: #30 jaunte

Trump Administration Eliminates Breast Cancer

Saw that yesterday. In particular, they removed the information related to the services offered under the ACA related to breast cancer screening and treatment.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:25:21pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

More on my demand for Melania’s immigration records.

[Embedded content]

I’m still working on my random capitalization.

You sir, are a national treasure and deserve the Congressional Medal of Honor and the Presidential Medal of Freedom

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:28:56pm
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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:30:25pm

re: #35 TedStriker

Given how the shitgibbon speaks, they can’t not know it’s him on the phone…it sounds like craven complicitness for access to me.

Getting quotes on background isn’t that terrible. It’s weird that it’s the president giving quotes on background, but since we know we can’t trust anyone there: I’d rather have more crazy ass leaks so we know what the fuck is going on inside the building.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:30:27pm
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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:32:22pm

re: #38 Kragar

nobody at WH can explain why now.

btw there’s zero chance Jerry Brown and Calif Nat’l Guard are going to be part of this charade

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) April 4, 2018

Doesn’t matter, because Trump just federalize the CANG (and any other NGs from states not down with his program).

Whether or not he can legally do so, given the circumstances, that’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:32:53pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

More on my demand for Melania’s immigration records.

[Embedded content]

I’m still working on my random capitalization.

I heard she’s actually a man…and Asian…and Muslim…

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:34:31pm
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JordanRules  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:35:41pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:37:05pm

re: #43 Kragar

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:37:56pm

re: #44 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Zuckerberg translation: I didn’t think we would get caught.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:38:28pm

re: #41 TedStriker

Doesn’t matter if Trump federalizes them.

Whether or not he can legally do so, given the circumstances, that’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish.

Per wikipedia, US Code allows federalization in these circumstances:

Voluntary Order to Active Duty. Federalized with the soldier’s or airman’s consent and the consent of their Governor.

Partial Mobilization. In time of national emergency declared by the President for any unit or any member for not more than 24 consecutive months.

Presidential Reserve Call Up. When the President determines that it is necessary to augment the active forces for any operational mission for any unit or any member for not more than 270 days.

Federal Aid for State Governments. Whenever an insurrection occurs in any state against its government, the President may, upon the request of its legislature or of its governor call into Federal service such of the militia of the other states. This is a statutory exception to the PCA

Use of Militia and Armed Forces to Enforce Federal Authority. Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, assemblages, or rebellion make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any state or territory, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any state. This is another statutory exception to the PCA.

Interference with State and Federal law. The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a state, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy.

Air and Army National Guard. Air and Army National Guard can specifically be called into Federal service in case of invasion, rebellion, or inability to execute Federal law with active forces.

Maybe he can get away with that last one. But I’m not sure any argument under any of these rules would hold up in court for more than 10 minutes.

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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:41:57pm

re: #47 KGxvi

Per wikipedia, US Code allows federalization in these circumstances:

Maybe he can get away with that last one. But I’m not sure any argument under any of these rules would hold up in court for more than 10 minutes.

I’m guessing this is the one Trump will lean on:

Use of Militia and Armed Forces to Enforce Federal Authority. Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, assemblages, or rebellion make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any state or territory, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any state. This is another statutory exception to the PCA.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:42:05pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:42:35pm

re: #11 makeitstop

Heard on the grapevine - Giuliani is getting a divorce. Time to trade Judi in for a new model, so to speak.

Is Kim Davis available?

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:42:52pm

Welp, there goes that ‘Collusion is not a crime’ dodge.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:43:31pm

re: #48 TedStriker

I’m guessing this is the one Trump will lean on:

I think he gets laughed out of court if he goes with that. But given how stupid this administration is, I wouldn’t be surprised.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:45:18pm

Completely predictable but needs to be documented anyway:

Right Wing Watch: These Are Some Of The Worst Right-Wing Reactions To The Shooting At YouTube HQ

Right-wing pundits, many of whom have spent the last few months intensifying their rhetoric against YouTube’s enforcement of community guideline policies, claimed that the shooter was a “left-wing” activist because she had reportedly posted about animal rights and veganism on social media. CRTV host Steven Crowder claimed in a since-deleted tweet that the shooter was a “militant leftist PETA activist.” The Gateway Pundit identified her as a “far left protester.” The white nationalist outlet Red Ice dedicated an entire video to claiming that the shooter was a “very advanced, interesting version of an SJW.”

While some right-wing outlets were working to portray the shooter as anything but conservative, the fringes of far-right were using the shooting to reinforce their ongoing narrative that media outlets reporting on the shooting had a secret agenda to negatively portray white people.

Conservative firebrand Ann Coulter said that she expected that The New York Times would identify the shooter as a “white Iranian,” keeping in line with her accusations of anti-white bias in mainstream news coverage:

One now-viral claim is that CNN et al lightened the shooter’s image to make her look “more white.”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:48:09pm

re: #13 jaunte

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I assume this is the caravan Fox News was going on about which triggered Trump.
washingtonpost.com

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:48:16pm

Dad and I took his Tesla for a drive last night and got flipped off by our first jealous man-child in a ridiculously loud over modded shit box.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:49:15pm

re: #51 makeitstop

That statement could not be clearer that Mueller can examine whether a member of the Trump campaign and the Russians were “colluding,” and thus working together “in violation of United States law.”

The laymen’s term is collusion. The legal term (which means what everyone thinks “collusion” means) is conspiracy. So as much as they want to claim that collusion isn’t a crime, that’s fine, but you can be criminally liable for conspiracy to commit a crime. And whether you colluded or conspired, it doesn’t matter, you’re going to end up in federal prison.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:51:10pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Aren’t Iranians defined as Persians and thus White? Plus, as someone on the left, I don’t care if the shooter was a leftist. I want guns to be more heavily regulated so that they don’t fall into hands of disgruntled folks like her. Sensible gun reform would impact everyone who wants to own a gun — right and left alike.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:54:08pm

I just noticed the victims of the YouTube shooting were taken to a hospital named for Mark Zuckerberg.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:54:26pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

I see you’re having fun taunting Rightwingers about Melania. Interestingly enough, I doubt anyone on our side cares about Melania’s immigration status. Conservatives’ obsession with President Obama’s birthplace was motivated solely by their racism and there was nothing that President Obama could have said or done to make them acknowledge that he’s a fellow citizen. Sigh.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:55:10pm

re: #57 Patricia Kayden

Aren’t Iranians defined as Persians and thus White? Plus, as someone on the left, I don’t care if the shooter was a leftist. I want guns to be more heavily regulated so that they don’t fall into hands of disgruntled folks like her. Sensible gun reform would impact everyone who wants to own a gun — right and left alike.

I think Iranians/Persians fall into the same trap that a lot of Latinos fall into - too many that are “too dark” for the white supremacists to accept as their own.

Personally, I can’t wait until the white supremacists decide that Italians and the Irish no longer count as white because they don’t think they need them anymore.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:55:41pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:56:05pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Dad and I took his Tesla for a drive last night and got flipped off by our first jealous man-child in a ridiculously loud over modded shit box.

You should have put the car in to its insane/ludicrous acceleration mode and left him eating electrons.

And this is the video of insane v. ludicrous:

Youtube Video

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piratedan  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:56:20pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

couldn’t be admitted until they checked in with their location on FB and updated their status….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:56:53pm

re: #60 KGxvi

The problem is the number of “pure” whites are decreasing. These groups can either broaden the definition or die a slow death.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:57:36pm

re: #59 Patricia Kayden

I see you’re having fun taunting Rightwingers about Melania. Interestingly enough, I doubt anyone on our side cares about Melania’s immigration status. Conservatives’ obsession with President Obama’s birthplace was motivated solely by their racism and there was nothing that President Obama could have said or done to make them acknowledge that he’s a fellow citizen. Sigh.

It’s actually great being able to argue without having to constantly refer to “facts” or “reality”. From now on, this is how I’m going to argue with wignuts on Twitter.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:57:51pm
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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:58:30pm

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is the number of “pure” whites are decreasing. These groups can either broaden the definition or die a slow death.

I know which one I would prefer…

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:59:37pm

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

It’s actually great being able to argue without having to constantly refer to “facts” or “reality”. From now on, this is how I’m going to argue with wignuts on Twitter.

Can’t wait to see how they react to being in a “fair” fight.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:59:48pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Dad and I took his Tesla for a drive last night and got flipped off by our first jealous man-child in a ridiculously loud over modded shit box.

Hydrocarbon loyalist.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 1:59:57pm

re: #62 lawhawk

You should have put the car in to its insane/ludicrous acceleration mode and left him eating electrons.

Thought about it but I was turning left and the idiot was going straight. I drove it in Ludicrous a bit on Sunday and it’s a neck snapper, haven’t even tried Ludicrous Plus yet. Mostly we’ve just been leaving it in Sport mode.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:01:11pm

“Ant resurrecting” is not a typo. It refers to Amedia’s recent claim that he raised an ant from the dead through the power of prayer.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:01:14pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

Thought about it but I was turning left and the idiot was going straight. I drove it in Ludicrous a bit on Sunday and it’s a neck snapper, haven’t even tried Ludicrous Plus yet. Mostly we’ve just been leaving it in Sport mode.

What kind of range and charge times are you dealing with so far?

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Jay C  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:01:34pm

re: #57 Patricia Kayden

Aren’t Iranians defined as Persians and thus White? Plus, as someone on the left, I don’t care if the shooter was a leftist. I want guns to be more heavily regulated so that they don’t fall into hands of disgruntled folks like her. Sensible gun reform would impact everyone who wants to own a gun — right and left alike.

I thought that Iranians were classified as “scary Muslim terror-symps” - one short step from beheading anyone who pisses them off…?

Though on a cursory review of the reports, it sounds like Nasim Aghdan was a tariff-worthy commodity under anyone’s standards - I.e., nuts.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:01:52pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:02:02pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Dad and I took his Tesla for a drive last night and got flipped off by our first jealous man-child in a ridiculously loud over modded shit box.

“How dare you make different vehicular choices from me!!!”

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:02:10pm

re: #69 jaunte

Hydrocarbon loyalist.

The comment sections on Youtube and Seeking Alpha are filled with incredibly angry dudes from the Cult of Internal Combustion.

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electrotek  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:03:05pm

re: #73 Jay C

I thought that Iranians were classified as “scary Muslim terror-symps” - one short step from beheading anyone who pisses them off…?

Though on a cursory review of the reports, it sounds like Nasim Aghdan was a tariff-worthy commodity under anyone’s standards - I.e., nuts.

Nah, some of them serve as useful idiots for the wingnuts as many of them have serious ‘internalized Islamophobia’ embedded in them.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:11:06pm

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

[Embedded content]

“Ant resurrecting” is not a typo. It refers to Amedia’s recent claim that he raised an ant from the dead through the power of prayer.

It took me 12 reads to realize it wasn’t “anti-resurrecting”. And in each of those 12 instances I thought “what the fuck does that mean?”. “Ant-resurrecting” might actually be worse…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:11:17pm

re: #72 KGxvi

What kind of range and charge times are you dealing with so far?

We’ve set the charge limit to 90% to maximize battery life and a fill up puts a conservative range of like 285 miles estimated. Got it down to about 150 and it filled back up in 40 minutes at the Supercharger station in Westlake Village. We sat down at a deli and ate some sandwiches while monitoring the charge progress on my iPod Touch.

He’s set up Time of Use (TOU-D) billing with SCE so all power usage between 10pm to 8am is ultra low tier, 8am to 2pm and 8pm to 10pm are low tier, and 2pm to 8pm are peak. His plan in the summer is to avoid paying the peak rate as much as possible by getting the condo nice and cold with AC before 2pm and then coast until 8pm. Towards that goal he’s also going to get a consult on adding more insulation to the attic.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:14:24pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

We’ve set the charge limit to 90% to maximize battery life and a fill up puts a conservative range of like 285 miles estimated. Git it down to about 150 and it filled back up in 40 minutes at the Supercharger station in Westlake Village. We sat down at a deli and ate some sandwiches while monitoring the charge progress on my iPod Touch.

He’s set up Time of Use (TOU-D) billing with SCE so all power usage between 10pm to 8am is ultra low tier, 8am to 2pm and 8pm to 10pm are low tier, and 2pm to 8pm are peak. His plan in the summer is to avoid paying the peak rate as much as possible by getting the condo nice and cold with AC before 2pm and then coast until 8pm. Towards that goal he’s also going to get a consult on adding more insulation to the attic.

That 40 minute charge time is still a killer for me. But I can see how it’d be useful for local driving.

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JordanRules  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:16:03pm
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nines09  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:17:19pm

Lurking about.
Almost time to dinner.
Dropping this off.
Joe can slide too.
Beth can tear it up.

Joe Bonamassa with Beth Hart “Sinner’s Prayer” Beacon Theatre November 5th 2011

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MsJ  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:18:05pm

re: #81 JordanRules

That was truly funny. 😂

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:19:44pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

Here at the opposite end of the wheeled things that go spectrum, I got all excited because I was able to use the end of my Helicomatic freewheel tool that isn’t a bottle opener.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:22:51pm

This side of the river, but several miles south
Still, always nice to have a certified dangerous loon walking around

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:27:39pm

re: #80 KGxvi

That 40 minute charge time is still a killer for me. But I can see how it’d be useful for local driving.

285 mile range would cover all the driving I’ve done for most of the last 4-5 years. The 40 minute supercharge thing is pretty amazing, I have to say. A few years back, people pooh-poohed the idea of BEVs as primary vehicles because the range was so small and it took so long to recharge. The convenience gap between BEVs and internal combustion is shrinking dramatically.

Never depend on a new technology remaining clunky and inconvenient.

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:28:14pm

re: #82 nines09

Lurking about.
Almost time to dinner.
Dropping this off.
Joe can slide too.
Beth can tear it up.

[Embedded content]

Video

That was pretty hot.

Odd thought - Beth Hart resembles Elizabeth Montgomery.

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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:29:31pm

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

I just noticed the victims of the YouTube shooting were taken to a hospital named for Mark Zuckerberg.

Modesty is not a virtue of the super rich, with some notable exceptions.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:29:46pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Bamboo. What a name.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:34:46pm

re: #86 Blind Frog Belly White

285 mile range would cover all the driving I’ve done for most of the last 4-5 years. The 40 minute supercharge thing is pretty amazing, I have to say. A few years back, people pooh-poohed the idea of BEVs as primary vehicles because the range was so small and it took so long to recharge. The convenience gap between BEVs and internal combustion is shrinking dramatically.

Never depend on a new technology remaining clunky and inconvenient.

Oh, I know that it will keep improving. I’m back working in the family business (construction) and a good deal of my day is spent driving, putting over 100 miles on the little Ford Fusion hybrid I drive for work in one day is pretty standard (getting over five hundred miles per tank I’m still filling up once a week or so). So depending on how realistic that top range is, it probably still wouldn’t work for me.

As for what I like to drive, I still prefer the old cars with manual transmissions, but I’m a dinosaur like that.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:35:54pm

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

Bamboo. What a name.

Yeah, you’d expect it for a stripper.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:36:23pm

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

I know, right? I’d be pissed off too.

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:38:03pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Apparently stabbed his father four years ago to see what it felt like to kill someone. Shades of “Folsom Prison Blues”.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:39:11pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This side of the river, but several miles south
Still, always nice to have a certified dangerous loon walking around

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He looks very friendly. Looks can be deceiving.

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:39:57pm

Has it occurred to Trump* that the National Guard is known colloquially as “Weekend Warriors” for a reason?
How thrilled are these people going to be to have to take leave at their real jobs to go hang around the desert in the summer? How thrilled are their employers going to be?

*Yeah, I know. They aren’t him, so he doesn’t care.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:41:41pm

re: #80 KGxvi

That 40 minute charge time is still a killer for me. But I can see how it’d be useful for local driving.

You can always charge it at home overnight and it’ll be full in the morning. Dad had a 240 volt plug installed in his garage, but since he got in on the tail end of the free supercharging for life promotion he’s going to use that as much as possible. But yeah, it’s not the ideal car if you’re regularly going over 300 miles per day and don’t want to wait an hour and a half for a near empty to full charge at the supercharger station.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:42:18pm

re: #95 calochortus

Has it occurred to Trump* that the National Guard is known colloquially as “Weekend Warriors” for a reason?
How thrilled are these people going to be to have to take leave at their real jobs to go hang around the desert in the summer? How thrilled are their employers going to be?

*Yeah, I know. They aren’t him, so he doesn’t care.

but it’ll be good for the economy because we’ll be keeping all them damn durty messicans out of the country so real Amurkins can have all those jobs…

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:45:04pm

re: #95 calochortus

Has it occurred to Trump* …

Do not expect self-reflection with such great narcissism.

Anyway, I wonder how many in the National Guard actually voted for Trump?

This gets me back to Grassley whining about the need for government relief from the Chinese tariffs.

Trump carried rural central US, signficantly. In the population centers of states like Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Trump did not do so well. But in the rural counties he did.

Now, their choice has come back to bite them in the ass.

Is there any reflection on the part of rural America, over their choice for President?

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:45:16pm

re: #97 KGxvi

but it’ll be good for the economy because we’ll be keeping all them damn durty messicans out of the country so real Amurkins can have all those jobs…

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It can be my opportunity to pursue my dream of being an underpaid agricultural worker.

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:45:38pm

re: #95 calochortus

Has it occurred to Trump* that the National Guard is known colloquially as “Weekend Warriors” for a reason?
How thrilled are these people going to be to have to take leave at their real jobs to go hang around the desert in the summer? How thrilled are their employers going to be?

*Yeah, I know. They aren’t him, so he doesn’t care.

Back when Bush sent the National Guard to the border, a guy from this town told me about taking extra sandwiches to give to those they picked up after they crossed. The deli he got them from found out what he was doing and gave them to him.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:47:00pm
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calochortus  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:47:21pm

re: #98 freetoken

Do not expect self-reflection with such great narcissism.

Anyway, I wonder how many in the National Guard actually voted for Trump?

This gets me back to Grassley whining about the need for government relief from the Chinese tariffs.

Trump carried rural central US, signficantly. In the population centers of states like Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Trump did not do so well. But in the rural counties he did.

Now, their choice has come back to bite them in the ass.

Is there any reflection on the part of rural America, over their choice for President?

Apparently less than I would have thought. Someone on NPR this morning was saying she had talked to several Iowa farmers and one was angry at Trump, but the others just thought American ag. is so superior that everything will work out OK in the end.

I guess it will take whacking them with a larger 2x4.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:49:13pm

re: #30 jaunte

Trump Administration Eliminates Breast Cancer

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interesting photo choice The Hill decided to go with on that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:52:21pm

re: #102 calochortus

American exceptionalism can be so toxic sometimes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 2:59:53pm
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Ace-o-aces  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:02:05pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:04:27pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

The comment sections on Youtube and Seeking Alpha are filled with incredibly angry dudes from the Cult of Internal Combustion.

Getting snobby there GDF? : )

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:08:43pm

re: #107 ObserverArt

Getting snobby there GDF? : )

Yeah, kinda. I won’t be trading in my Honda Pilot any time soon but I’m definitely a fan.

“If You Have The Means…” Ferris Bueller’s Day Off

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:09:25pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

interesting photo choice The Hill decided to go with on that.

And if you didn’t get the dogwhistle, check the poster on the wall in the background.

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dangerman  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:13:52pm

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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“Ant resurrecting” is not a typo. It refers to Amedia’s recent claim that he raised an ant from the dead through the power of prayer.

The ant: “I’m not dead yet”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:20:18pm

re: #110 dangerman

The ant: “I’m not dead yet”

“You’ll be stone dead in a minute.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:22:45pm

But wait - doesn’t saying your negotiating tactic is just a negotiating tactic rob it of any real power? “If you don’t pay me more, I’ll QUIT!!! (except I won’t, really)”

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calochortus  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:24:41pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

But wait - doesn’t saying your negotiating tactic is just a negotiating tactic rob it of any real power? “If you don’t pay me more, I’ll QUIT!!! (except I won’t, really)”

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Shhhhhh! Maybe no one will notice.

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Cheechako  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:25:33pm

re: #80 KGxvi

That 40 minute charge time is still a killer for me. But I can see how it’d be useful for local driving.

Keep in mind it usually takes 15-20 minutes to gas up your car assuming there are no lines.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:25:37pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

But wait - doesn’t saying your negotiating tactic is just a negotiating tactic rob it of any real power? “If you don’t pay me more, I’ll QUIT!!! (except I won’t, really)”

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Ah…so I did get my #15 correct. Kudlow is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Not surprising in the least.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:25:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:26:47pm

re: #114 Cheechako

Keep in mind it usually takes 15-20 minutes to gas up your ca assuming there are no lines.

How the hell much gas does your car hold? Mine’s usually less than 5 min for ~17gal.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:27:47pm

re: #19 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Caravan of Destruction”
That’s it! I’ve been thinking about giving my Dodge minivan a name when it rolls over 200,000 miles, probably later this week.


And here it is, in it’s natural habitat, the dollar store parking lot. It’s somewhat the worse for wear but still great for fetching groceries, parts and supplies, as well as for enraging the yokel commuter pickup mob.
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calochortus  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:27:59pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

How the hell much gas does your car hold? Mine’s usually less than 5 min for ~17gal.

Be gentle, his gas probably has to be thawed before he can put it in his tank.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:28:09pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:28:09pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

Ah…so I did get my #15 correct. Kudlow is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Not surprising in the least.

Well, it’s Kudlow, so really he’s talking out of both sides of his ass.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:28:53pm

re: #114 Cheechako

Keep in mind it usually takes 15-20 minutes to gas up your ca assuming there are no lines.

I don’t know if it’s taken me longer than 10 minutes to fill up in forever, even going into the store for a coke/candy bar.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:29:25pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

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What does Eno that I don’t?

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:30:56pm

Interesting.

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Cheechako  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:32:03pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

How the hell much gas does your car hold? Mine’s usually less than 5 min for ~17gal.

My old pick-em-up carried 96 gallons.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:34:17pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:37:08pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

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That is what I feared. Even posted about it here the day Pruitt announced those lowered standards.

Make America Gooey Again.

It’s insane.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:38:56pm

So the next Democratic President will have to bail out the auto industry again when their car sales collapse. And they are forced to improve their mileage.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:39:35pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

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Damn it. I’ve been enjoying driving my Sonic. I was rather hoping to replace it with another one someday.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:40:52pm

re: #127 ObserverArt

That is what I feared. Even posted about it here the day Pruitt announced those lowered standards.

Make America Gooey Again.

It’s insane.

There are people alive today who have never seen a river burn. Do you want to deprive them of the industrial glory of their forefathers?
/

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electrotek  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:42:25pm

re: #128 Hecuba’s daughter

So the next Democratic President will have to bail out the auto industry again when their car sales collapse. And they are forced to improve their mileage.

Don’t forget when fuel prices surge once again, forcing SUV owners to trade their hogbeasts in for a subcompact yet again.

Is it that fucking hard to institute a $1-$2 fuel tax to encourage fuel-efficient vehicles and to improve our transportation infrastructure?

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Citizen K  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:42:45pm
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Citizen K  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:43:20pm

re: #128 Hecuba’s daughter

So the next Democratic President will have to bail out the auto industry again when their car sales collapse. And they are forced to improve their mileage.

Yep. What’s old is new again.

All the mistakes of the Bush presidency with even more racism and graft built atop it all.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:43:45pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

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Now there are only three Chevies left with stick transmission options: Corvette, Camaro, Cruze 😔

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electrotek  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:44:17pm

re: #134 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Now there are only three Chevies left with stick transmission options: Corvette, Camaro, Cruze 😔

Don’t forget the Chevrolet Colorado.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:44:38pm

Taibbi gets it right about MLK.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:45:24pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

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800/per month these days for a new SUV.

Go for it idjits.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:47:17pm

re: #131 electrotek

Don’t forget when fuel prices surge once again, forcing SUV owners to trade their hogbeasts in for a subcompact yet again.

Is it that fucking hard to institute a $1-$2 fuel tax to encourage fuel-efficient vehicles and to improve our transportation infrastructure?

Only if you’re a right-wing radical who thinks that thinking long-term is socialism.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:48:40pm
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Citizen K  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:48:42pm

re: #131 electrotek

Don’t forget when fuel prices surge once again, forcing SUV owners to trade their hogbeasts in for a subcompact yet again.

Is it that fucking hard to institute a $1-$2 fuel tax to encourage fuel-efficient vehicles and to improve our transportation infrastructure?

Fuel efficiency is socialism, Pruitt and his EPA agree. We need to use more oil and coal, otherwise the economy will never be free.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:50:33pm

re: #137 Stanley Sea

800/per month these days for a new SUV.

Go for it idjits.

It makes me want to cry. I know so many people who can’t afford that much even for one bedroom apartment.

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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:51:03pm

re: #123 Blind Frog Belly White

What does Eno that I don’t?

David Bowie?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:51:17pm

re: #132 Citizen K

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:51:56pm

re: #131 electrotek

Don’t forget when fuel prices surge once again, forcing SUV owners to trade their hogbeasts in for a subcompact yet again.

Is it that fucking hard to institute a $1-$2 fuel tax to encourage fuel-efficient vehicles and to improve our transportation infrastructure?

In America? Literally impossible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:52:22pm

re: #109 jaunte

And if you didn’t get the dogwhistle, check the poster on the wall in the background.

indeed, screaming dog siren…and it’s patently obvious and so stupid.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:53:06pm

re: #141 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I pay $700 a month for my house. I cannot see putting out $800 for a vehicle.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:53:37pm

re: #141 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

It makes me want to cry. I know so many people who can’t afford that much even for one bedroom apartment.

I’ve heard mentioned often, but it hasn’t happened.

The massive amounts of bad car loans bringing on a big default spree.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:53:49pm

re: #136 teleskiguy

Taibbi gets it right about MLK.

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“MLK would really hate all these black people getting angry about being shot while unarmed!”

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:54:06pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:54:17pm

re: #146 PhillyPretzel

I pay $700 a month for my house. I cannot see putting out $800 for a vehicle.

That’s almost free. I pay $1200 for an apartment, and it’s nothing fancy.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:55:07pm

re: #141 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

It makes me want to cry. I know so many people who can’t afford that much even for one bedroom apartment.

It would be a big mistake to believe that even half of the folks driving around $800/month SUVs can really afford them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:56:46pm

re: #137 Stanley Sea

800/per month these days for a new SUV.

Go for it idjits.

Which SUV is that? Most are WAY cheaper.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 3:57:51pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:00:30pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:01:36pm

re: #152 Blind Frog Belly White

Which SUV is that? Most are WAY cheaper.

Not sure. Dated a guy in the biz. Very common payment. Bad credit? Rich people who write off for business?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:01:58pm

re: #153 teleskiguy

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The Russians, in typical Russian fashion, tried to outdo us by building a bigger, heavier rocket with 30 first-stage engines. The only problem was, they didn’t do nearly the level of integration testing that NASA and friends did with the S-V. The end result: One of the largest non-nuclear explosions in history. They did not go to space that day.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:06:41pm

New Ford Expedition = 51790

Your expected
monthly payment:$ 771 / monthVehicle Price:
Look up a vehicle price
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50,000
Down payment:$
200
Trade-in Value:$
2,000
Estimated Sales Tax:
Enter your local sales tax
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9
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Loan Term: 72 mo

Just plugged this in on USNews

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:07:48pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

Well, there’s your problem. Down payment of $200? Trade-in value of $2000? If you’re buying a $50,000 car, you probably should do better than that. I would barely be buying a $12,000 car with those parameters.

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electrotek  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:08:28pm

re: #158 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, there’s your problem. Down payment of $200? Trade-in value of $2000? If you’re buying a $50,000 car, you probably should do better than that. I would barely be buying a $12,000 car with those parameters.

Not if you opt for gap insurance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:08:48pm

re: #110 dangerman

The ant: “I’m not dead yet”

“No no he’s not dead, he’s, he’s restin’!”

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:09:01pm

toast

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electrotek  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:09:44pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

toast

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Why the fuck is he going to Morocco to begin with?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:10:29pm

re: #158 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, there’s your problem. Down payment of $200? Trade-in value of $2000? If you’re buying a $50,000 car, you probably should do better than that. I would barely be buying a $12,000 car with those parameters.

The deal would be made. It’s between the idjit & the bank at that point.

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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:11:51pm

re: #156 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The Russians, in typical Russian fashion, tried to outdo us by building a bigger, heavier rocket with 30 first-stage engines. The only problem was, they didn’t do nearly the level of integration testing that NASA and friends did with the S-V. The end result: One of the largest non-nuclear explosions in history. They did not go to space that day.

The N1 was just a few decades (and a lot of engineering) too early; the Falcon Heavy, with 27 engines [3 “cores”, 9 engines per “core”], flew flawlessly just in the past month or so.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:13:57pm

re: #162 electrotek

Why the fuck is he going to Morocco to begin with?

The EPA’s inspector general expanded the inquiry into Pruitt’s travel following a December letter to his office from Sen. Tom Carper, D-Delaware, who wanted information about reports that the trip cost as much as $40,000.

Carper also asked the inspector general to look into the purpose of Pruitt’s trip, citing concern that natural gas exports are not part of EPA’s mission to “protect human health and the environment.”

Details of the December 2017 trip, which included a two-day layover in Paris

Oh OK, I HAVE to stop in Paris.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:15:13pm

One of the security guards at my old office in Lubbock was living with his mother because the payment on his new pickup was $550/month and he consequently couldn’t afford a place of his own. He was 33 years old. I never said anything to him about it, of course, but I could not help trying, and failing, to wrap my mind around that kind of priority.

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CleverToad  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:15:38pm

Any Lizards planning to go to the Denver WonketteFest at the Wynkoop Brewery at six tonight?
And if yes, how do we recognize each other? I’m a fat old white lady with a cane, in a blue baseball cap covered with buttons. There is a small metal toad pin on the front of said hat, but no lizards unless the spousal unit can find one amongst his impressive array of hat pins. (He thinks he might have a horny toad in there somewhere, being Texan.)

My arrival is dependent on Denver traffic, but the event is supposed to go from 6-8 and will probably get livelier as the inebriation level rises.

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:17:26pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

If you’ve got more than two kids, and they do any sort of activities, it seems like it’d be hard to get by with a sub-compact car. I think one of the reasons SUVs took off in this country is because station wagons and other family type vehicles were phased out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:22:01pm

re: #168 KGxvi

If you’ve got more than two kids, and they do any sort of activities, it seems like it’d be hard to get by with a sub-compact car. I think one of the reasons SUVs took off in this country is because station wagons and other family type vehicles were phased out.

I think that last sentence may have a bit of a cart:horse problem. The minivan and the car-based SUV displaced the station wagon as the family vehicle of choice, rather than filling the gap left by SWs going away.

Also worth noting that the big American family station wagon got much the same gas mileage as the worst of the SUVs.

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dell*nix  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:22:06pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

“And the GOP intends it for itself”

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:25:05pm

re: #165 Stanley Sea

Oh OK, I HAVE to stop in Paris.

And I believe the two aides, who Pruitt “doesn’t know anything about and didn’t authorize those raises, and who are they again anyway”—both were along on that trip as well.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:26:26pm

re: #167 CleverToad

Any Lizards planning to go to the Denver WonketteFest at the Wynkoop Brewery at six tonight?
And if yes, how do we recognize each other? I’m a fat old white lady with a cane, in a blue baseball cap covered with buttons. There is a small metal toad pin on the front of said hat, but no lizards unless the spousal unit can find one amongst his impressive array of hat pins. (He thinks he might have a horny toad in there somewhere, being Texan.)

My arrival is dependent on Denver traffic, but the event is supposed to go from 6-8 and will probably get livelier as the inebriation level rises.

Say hi to Rebecca & Shy!! Take a photo with wonkette baby!

Have fun!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:29:59pm

It seems to me that blaming Detroit for cutting subcompacts to focus on SUVs ignores the role of demand in product development decisions. They did that because nobody was buying the subcompacts, which meant they couldn’t charge enough to make much profit on each. OTOH, SUVs are in demand, which means they can charge more for each one. And if, say, Ford decided they’d be socially responsible and not make the Lincoln Navigator and the Ford Excursion and Expedition, there are other carmakers who’d be only too happy to sell Suburbans and Durangos to the disappointed Ford customers.

That’s why The Market cannot be relied on to act in a socially responsible way. That’s where regulation comes in.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:30:50pm

re: #162 electrotek

Why the fuck is he going to Morocco to begin with?

Damn good question.

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CleverToad  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:32:11pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Off to face the traffic now…
Will attempt pics if I get anywhere close to Her Adorableness

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:33:29pm

A breakdown of the border idiocy per the Cato Institute via Jennifer Rubin (bolding mine):

President Trump has ordered troops to the border to help the current number of 19,437 Border Patrol agents apprehend the roughly 1,000 Central American asylum seekers who are slowly making their way north (but probably won’t make it all the way to the border). There are currently about 19 Border Patrol agents for each Central American asylum-seeker in this caravan. In 2017, Border Patrol apprehended about 360,000 illegal immigrants or about 18 per Border Patrol agents over the entire year, which works out to one apprehension per Border Patrol agents every 20 days. By that measure, Border Patrol agents in 1954 individually apprehended an average of 53 times as many illegal immigrants as Border Patrol agents did in 2017. If the current caravan makes it to the United States border, it would add about a single day’s worth of apprehensions.

washingtonpost.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:37:11pm

re: #162 electrotek

Why the fuck is he going to Morocco to begin with?

He wants to talk to someone about a mole.

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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:38:51pm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:46:16pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:49:59pm
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bratwurst  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:53:33pm
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nines09  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:54:21pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:54:55pm

Ep 2 of Wild Wild Country starting.

Yep, it’s wild.

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2018 • 4:56:56pm

re: #171 BeachDem

And I believe the two aides, who Pruitt “doesn’t know anything about and didn’t authorize those raises, and who are they again anyway”—both were along on that trip as well.

Gender check?

Maybe there’s a reason they got those cushy raises…

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:01:24pm

ah, missed this one

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:02:05pm

He’s such a fucking con & the rubes are there for the pickins.

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:03:56pm

re: #184 makeitstop

Gender check?

Maybe there’s a reason they got those cushy raises…

Both of the female persuasion—senior counsel, Sarah Greenwalt, and his director of scheduling and advance, Millan Hupp.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:06:25pm

re: #187 BeachDem

Both of the female persuasion—senior counsel, Sarah Greenwalt, and his director of scheduling and advance, Millan Hupp.

Oh gay Parieeeee!

189
Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:07:28pm

Your schizo posting of tweets from SS, shows the work day is over

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fern01  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:10:17pm

re: #11 makeitstop

Heard on the grapevine - Giuliani is getting a divorce. Time to trade Judi in for a new model, so to speak.

Lawyer once told me getting a divorce to marry someone else is the WORST reason to divorce. Sooner or later it will happen again & you are on the merry go round of divorce/marriage/divorce/marriage/divorce

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:10:56pm

re: #187 BeachDem

Both of the female persuasion—senior counsel, Sarah Greenwalt, and his director of scheduling and advance, Millan Hupp.

And more detail—

Hupp is 26 and Barely three years ago, Millan Hupp worked at an Embassy Suites hotel near the Nashville airport…The pay hike came after the 26-year-old staffer oversaw an extensive housing hunt for the administrator last year. Hupp at times conducted the search during office hours, according to a former EPA employee and others who interacted with her, activity that ethics experts said constitutes a violation of federal rules.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:10:58pm

re: #168 KGxvi

If you’ve got more than two kids, and they do any sort of activities, it seems like it’d be hard to get by with a sub-compact car. I think one of the reasons SUVs took off in this country is because station wagons and other family type vehicles were phased out.

I drive a Prius. Only four people can fit in my car, including the driver. I can squeeze a 5th in the back but no one will be comfortable. I have two kids and driving carpool doesn’t work. No room.

I consider this a feature, not a bug.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:15:19pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Living at home with his mom is less emasculating than not driving a gas guzzling penis enhancement.

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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:16:54pm
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BlueGrl21  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:17:48pm

re: #193 Romantic Heretic

Living at home with his mom is less emasculating than not driving a gas guzzling penis enhancement.

I have a former friend who is 45 and is doing the exact same thing. Live with Mom to pay for truck.

It’s Texas.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:19:17pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:19:27pm

re: #193 Romantic Heretic

re: #195 BlueGrl21

No vehicle but I have my own house. It’s a Philly thing. :)

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:20:05pm

Charlie Pierce, right on the money as usual:

The Version of Martin Luther King the White House Is Peddling Is a Crime Against History

…White Martin is an offense against history. It is a crime against memory. And to have this White House, and this president*, even mention the name of Martin Luther King, Jr. in public is to watch that crime unfold in broad fcking daylight. Just shut up, OK? Shut your bloody gobs about him. You don’t have the right.

…The 50th anniversary of his murder comes at a propitious time. His true spirit is walking the streets again. It walks with the people who march against murder under color of law. His true spirit walks with the teachers who march for the means to teach children properly. He walks with the schoolchildren who demand that something be done about this country’s insane affection for its firearms. He walked with everyone who marched on the day after this ridiculous president* was born. He did not walk with Sarah Huckabee Sanders to the podium in this White House for the purposes of profaning his memory. Even in death, he’s smarter than that.

esquire.com

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:26:16pm

I live in a lock-off mother-in-law apartment in a five bedroom house, $750/month which is dirt fucking cheap around these parts (it helps I’ve known the owners of the house since I was seven years old). It’s not uncommon to see three bedroom townhomes rent for $4000/month. One bedroom apartments closer to the ski areas can command two grand a month easily. And the management at the ski areas/restaurants/schools/health care facilities wonder why turnover is 100% in almost all departments.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:26:56pm

re: #196 teleskiguy

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:29:05pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

Crikey, man. My mortgage - for a 4-bed, 3.5-bath, 1200 sq ft home - is a tick over $1200. Around here, the only time you really pay through the nose for housing is if you’re buying lakefront property; otherwise, buying a house can sometimes be cheaper than renting an apartment downtown.

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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:30:15pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:34:17pm

re: #201 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The only property I’ll ever own around here is my parents house, if they don’t sell it first. My mother has said I and my younger sister would inherit the property in the event of their deaths. I really hope they don’t sell it in the years to come!

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fern01  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:37:54pm

re: #46 ObserverArt

Zuckerberg translation: I didn’t think we would get caught.

He just doesn’t understand the correct business approach

We are never wrong. We never apologise

trump brings everyone down - even those who worked so hard to get him elected

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plansbandc  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:42:19pm

re: #4 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Listening to KCRW right now; the anti-immigation hysteria being stirred up by Fox, Trump and the usual gang of idiots is leading the fearful RWNJ sheep to show up at Orange County city council meetings, screaming about “taking our country back.”

The appeal of the modern GOP is racism & hatred of “the other.” Full stop.

The only reason people vote for the GOP is to punish and hurt people of color, LGBT, women, kids who don’t sufficiently hump gunz, etc.

As I said on twitter earlier today, the only requirement for membership in the Republican party is to be the biggest fucking asshole possible.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:45:29pm

re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg

Bamboo. What a name.

Still not as bad as his brother Crabgrass.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:45:35pm
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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:48:21pm

re: #207 teleskiguy

It’s a very big pizza.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:48:21pm

re: #168 KGxvi

If you’ve got more than two kids, and they do any sort of activities, it seems like it’d be hard to get by with a sub-compact car. I think one of the reasons SUVs took off in this country is because station wagons and other family type vehicles were phased out.

SUVs are minivans for people to insecure to be seen in one.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:50:07pm

Does anyone know anything about this

@MigunaMiguna
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:52:04pm

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:52:19pm

re: #209 Belafon

SUVs are minivans for people to insecure to be seen in one.

My daughter and son-in-law are shopping for a minivan now, because child #2 arrives in June and their Subaru is already too small for cross-country visits to Kentuckiana with child #1. They’re debating buying a Honda Odyssey or a Chrysler whatchamacallit. Any suggestions/advice?

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garzooma  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:53:32pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

ah, missed this one

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I am right about Amazon costing the United States Post Office massive amounts of money for being their Delivery Boy. Amazon should pay these costs (plus) and not have them bourne by the American Taxpayer. Many billions of dollars. P.O. leaders don’t have a clue (or do they?)!

Is there a canonical list of organizations that Trump says tells lies? The Post Office is new, but it’s all a part of getting cultists to only use Trump as their information source.

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JordanRules  Apr 4, 2018 • 5:54:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:00:36pm

re: #131 electrotek

Don’t forget when fuel prices surge once again, forcing SUV owners to trade their hogbeasts in for a subcompact yet again.

Is it that fucking hard to institute a $1-$2 fuel tax to encourage fuel-efficient vehicles and to improve our transportation infrastructure?

Some of us live and work in places where 4WD and pickup trucks (not to mention existence of real roads) are not a luxury.

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fern01  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:01:27pm

re: #162 electrotek

Why the fuck is he going to Morocco to begin with?

Cause he doesn’t want to go to Flint.

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MsJ  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:01:28pm

re: #214 JordanRules

Exactly so. Zuck is absolutely evil.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:01:37pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

And obviously don’t have cats

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:01:37pm

re: #214 JordanRules

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Yeah, he should forget about running for office for 20, maybe 30 years. Or maybe ever.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:03:01pm

re: #212 wheat-dogg

My daughter and son-in-law are shopping for a minivan now, because child #2 arrives in June and their Subaru is already too small for cross-country visits to Kentuckiana with child #1. They’re debating buying a Honda Odyssey or a Chrysler whatchamacallit. Any suggestions/advice?

My next door neighbors have a Toyota Previa. They love it. Two kids. Seems pretty nice and it looks good.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:06:12pm

re: #219 makeitstop

Yeah, he should forget about running for office for 20, maybe 30 years. Or maybe ever.

I’m voting early.

Never.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:08:27pm

re: #131 electrotek

Don’t forget when fuel prices surge once again, forcing SUV owners to trade their hogbeasts in for a subcompact yet again.

Is it that fucking hard to institute a $1-$2 fuel tax to encourage fuel-efficient vehicles and to improve our transportation infrastructure?

Or just quit subsidizing oil companies with tax payer money.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:08:53pm

re: #212 wheat-dogg

My daughter and son-in-law are shopping for a minivan now, because child #2 arrives in June and their Subaru is already too small for cross-country visits to Kentuckiana with child #1. They’re debating buying a Honda Odyssey or a Chrysler whatchamacallit. Any suggestions/advice?

We had a Dodge Grand Caravan for years, which is the same as the Chrysler Town & Country. It was great, and had enough room for 2 adults and 3 kids + two friends. The Grand Caravan was slightly longer than the plain Caravan, which gave more space in the trunk. It was worth it. The new versions come with a built-in vacuum, which seems like a great idea to me.

I’m not sure I really have much of a preference. We didn’t have many problems until the end of life. I think they’re all pretty good now.

Edit: I do recommend captain’s chairs in the middle rather than a bench seat. It makes getting in and out a whole lot easier.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:10:06pm

Halfway across Chiapas, he trades Ivanka to a local farmer for a Filet o’ Fish.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:11:52pm

re: #224 jaunte

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Halfway across Chiapas, he trades Ivanka to a local farmer for a Filet o’ Fish.

There was an American Dad episode where Stan was turned old to make him learn something, and then, after he did, at the end of the episode, he was turned black.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:12:51pm

re: #224 jaunte

Do they have golf carts with that kind of range?

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:12:53pm

I think this Twilight Zone episode is “The Man Who Could Learn Nothing.”

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:13:00pm

re: #224 jaunte

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Halfway across Chiapas, he trades Ivanka to a local farmer for a Filet o’ Fish.

Ends with Mayan penis cutting to fertilize the soil in the jungles of Yucatan and then the jungles suddenly becomes the Sahara.

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retired cynic  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:21:10pm

re: #153 teleskiguy

When I was in college, we took a family vacay to Florida, to the Cape, and joined a tour. That thing was SOOOOOOO BIIGGGGG! The Building where they got it ready for launch was so big, it had its own weather. It all made a Big Impression. Non-random capitalization!

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sauceruney  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:21:18pm

re: #214 JordanRules

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I really hope there’s criminal charges, a conviction, and substantial jail time for Zuckerberg in this mess.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:21:34pm

re: #207 teleskiguy

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Sunny side up

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:23:06pm

re: #210 gocart mozart

Does anyone know anything about this

[Embedded content]

@MigunaMiguna

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:29:31pm

re: #219 makeitstop

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:42:05pm

re: #233 Stanley Sea

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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:42:38pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

One of the security guards at my old office in Lubbock was living with his mother because the payment on his new pickup was $550/month and he consequently couldn’t afford a place of his own. He was 33 years old. I never said anything to him about it, of course, but I could not help trying, and failing, to wrap my mind around that kind of priority.

re: #193 Romantic Heretic

Living at home with his mom is less emasculating than not driving a gas guzzling penis enhancement.

re: #195 BlueGrl21

I have a former friend who is 45 and is doing the exact same thing. Live with Mom to pay for truck.

It’s Texas.

Reminds me a lot of this dialogue from Take This Job and Shove It (the movie):

Mrs. Hinkle (Fran Ryan): Son, you are taking too much of this on your shoulders.
Frank Macklin (Robert Hays): Yeah, well, sure is a true blue bitch.
Hinkle: I have lived here for 52 years and I never seen anybody in Dubuque yet go but one way: pick up a check for eight hours, spend the next eight pissing it away, got three color TVs in a shack of a house, $12,000 worth of pickup in the garage, and they got a fishing boat they drag out on weekends so they can get drunk and swap lies about the good life that don’t exist.
Macklin: Sounds like my old man, God rest him. And sometimes, sometimes, we even fished in between the lies and the dreams.

Keep in mind, that “$12,000 worth of pickup” was in 1981 dollars; that’s about $35-36,000 today, but even that barely puts one in the market for today’s tricked-out full-size pickups (Take This Job and Shove It is the first appearance in a movie of what we know know of as “monster trucks”; one of the earliest incarnations of Bigfoot is in it).

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:48:31pm

re: #234 makeitstop

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makeitstop  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:52:52pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

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