So, So Good: I’m With Her (Aoife O’Donovan, Sarah Jarosz and Sara Watkins) on NPR Music’s Tiny Desk Concert

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March 28, 2018 | Bob Boilen — The three singers who perform together as I’m With Her sound like sisters. It’s as if they’ve known each other all their lives and share common roots and musical memories.

Aoife O’Donovan, Sarah Jarosz and Sara Watkins are bound by a love for bluegrass, chamber music, jazz, storytelling and singing. Each of these three musicians, now united under the I’m With Her name, have performed at the Tiny Desk before. Sara Watkins was here with Nickel Creek (2014), Watkins Family Hour (2015) and The Decemberists (2011). Sarah Jarosz was here in 2013 and Aoife O’Donovan came along with Yo Yo Ma and Chris Thile as part of the Goat Rodeo project back in 2011.

All three are brilliant players with an ever-shifting array of stringed instruments, guitars, ukulele, fiddle, mandolin and banjo. As I’m With Her, they know how to gather round a microphone and sing directly from their heart to yours. Purity is the brilliance behind I’m With Her.

The three songs they perform here come from the trio’s debut album, See You Around. It’s a sound made for the intimacy of the Tiny Desk and they all feel right at home.

Set List

“See You Around”
“Game to Lose”
“Overland”
Musicians

Sara Watkins, Sarah Jarosz, Aoife O’Donovan

CREDITS
Producers: Bob Boilen, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Beck Harlan, Dani Lyman; Production Assistant: Joshua Bote; Photo: Eslah Attar/NPR.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:30:09pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:32:03pm

Li’l Baby Whiplash wants you to think he is TUFF because he can haz GUNZ

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Skip Intro  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:32:44pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

And she’s welcome to appear as a guest on any mainstream media outlet she chooses.

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meteor  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:33:06pm

Ben, I thought guns didn’t kill people.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:36:07pm

This won’t rate the national news since no one was killed:
Daycare van hit by gunfire, no injuries reported

LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) -
Rise Academy confirms that a daycare van that had come to pick up one of their students was hit by a bullet on Wednesday, but the child inside was not injured.

The school says the shooters were targeting someone near the property and hit the back of the van. They say there was only one child and the driver in the van at the time.

The calls came in around 3:30 p.m., reporting gunshots fired in the 1500 block of E. Cornell, near the Stone Hollow Apartments. Police say they received a report that a van in the area of 207 N. MLK was struck by a bullet, but no one was injured.

Another vehicle at the apartment complex was also damaged by bullets.

Two suspects fled on foot. They haven’t been caught but the driver of the car they were in was detained and is available for grilling.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:36:33pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Baby Whiplash wants you to think he is TUFF because he can haz GUNZ

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IMO, this is a priori evidence of Shapiro’s lack of fitness to own a gun.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:37:25pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Ultima Ratio Regum

…and where is Louis the 14th now?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:37:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:38:11pm

Well, I was in class when Trump’s proclamation he would deploy the National Guard to the Mexican border came in during our lunch break. (Most of the people in the class are from fire or police departments, plus a couple hospitals and our county sheriff’s office. I am the only elected official in the class.) Everyone was wondering what that might mean.

(Gaaa … holding tongue from political tirade in a state-run class for Public Information Officers …)

Facebook dropped another bomb: 37 more million accounts’ information taken by Cambridge Analytica.

theguardian.com

The Facebook data of up to 87 million people - 37 million more than previously reported - may have been improperly shared with Cambridge Analytica, the company has revealed.

This larger figure, which included over a million UK users, was buried in the penultimate paragraph of a blogpost by the company’s chief technology officer, Mike Schroepfer, published on Wednesday, which also provided updates on the changes Facebook was making to better protect user information.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:38:55pm
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scottslemmons  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:39:55pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Baby Whiplash wants you to think he is TUFF because he can haz GUNZ

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Threat reported.

Twitter won’t do anything, of course, but I want the Nazi-loving bastards to have to waste part of their evening dealing with my report.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:40:15pm

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

I really wish lefties and such would stop seizing on these broken clock/blind squirrel moments with conservatives like it’s some kind of amazing breakthrough in their thought processes. They are all still garbage humans through and through.

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meteor  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:40:16pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Amen.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:41:36pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Baby Whiplash wants you to think he is TUFF because he can haz GUNZ

Repealing the II Amendment would not even begin to solve the nation’s gun problems. Without a II Amendment, laws would revert to the states. It would not change anything in the states with the highest murder and suicide rates (red states).

Moreover, if someone proposed a II Amendment repeal, start counting states that would reject it and when you get to thirteen, you’re done.

Enforcing the first clause of the II Amendment might make a difference.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:44:08pm

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:45:24pm

The Republican Party has already attacked Martin Luther King Jr. before, calling him an adulterer, communist, and race hustler.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:45:49pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

IMO, this is a priori evidence of Shapiro’s lack of fitness to own a gun.

I think Shapiro lacks the fitness to own a computer and internet connection.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:46:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:47:43pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:49:30pm

When all is said and done, when Fuckface Von Clownstick is perp-walked out of the White House, people like Rick Wilson, David Frum, William Kristol, David French, Tom Nichols, Jennifer Rubin, Ana Navarro, etc., will still hate the poor, want to gut healthcare reform, lobby for low taxes on the rich, and increase the U.S. imperialist tendencies (ie BIG STRONG MILITARY at the expense of roads and schools, etc).

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Targetpractice  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:51:58pm

re: #18 jaunte

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Bernie continues to pile up the evidence that the DNC’s biggest mistake as a party was ever letting that lying prick run in their primaries.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:52:21pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

When all is said and done, when Fuckface Von Clownstick is perp-walked out of the White House, people like Rick Wilson, David Frum, William Kristol, David French, Tom Nichols, Jennifer Rubin, Ana Navarro, etc. will still hate the poor, want to gut healthcare reform, lobby for low taxes on the rich, and increase the U.S. imperialist tendencies (ie BIG STRONG MILITARY at the expense of roads and schools, etc).

That’s true. They will go right back to their whoring for the rich.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 6:56:26pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

Bernie continues to pile up the evidence that the DNC’s biggest mistake as a party was ever letting that lying prick run in their primaries.

Well, “Our Revolution” were 0 for 3 here in Los Angeles County with yesterday’s election and 1 of their 3 stooges failed to get on the ballot and got NOWHERE as a write-in candidate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:00:50pm

Google employees revolt, say company should shut down military drone project … Project applying Google’s image recognition to military drone footage causes uproar. (Ars Technica, the lede):

About a month ago, news surfaced that Google was working with the United States Department of Defense on drone software called “Project Maven.” The project applied Google’s image-recognition techniques to the millions of hours of drone footage collected by the military with the goal of identifying people and objects of interest. At the time, some Google employees were reportedly outraged at the news, and now The New York Times reports the situation has escalated to a formal letter being addressed to Google CEO Sundar Pichai.

The letter, which The Times reports has “garnered more than 3,100 signatures” comes right out in the first paragraph and demands the project be cancelled:

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retired cynic  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:00:54pm

re: #20 teleskiguy

When all is said and done, when Fuckface Von Clownstick is perp-walked out of the White House, people like Rick Wilson, David Frum, William Kristol, David French, Tom Nichols, Jennifer Rubin, Ana Navarro, etc. will still hate the poor, want to gut healthcare reform, lobby for low taxes on the rich, and increase the U.S. imperialist tendencies (ie BIG STRONG MILITARY at the expense of roads and schools, etc).

Probably. I still have hopes that some of them have had their arcs of justice tilted a wee tad.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:01:09pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

I really wish lefties and such would stop seizing on these broken clock/blind squirrel moments with conservatives like it’s some kind of amazing breakthrough in their thought processes. They are all still garbage humans through and through.

When I read it, I didn’t think it was some kind of awesome conservative breakthrough. I thought it was a good piece on requirements for police that pretty much echoed exactly what I’ve been thinking about, including the fact that, when they took the job, they gave up some of the freedoms that us non-police people have.

It’s rather similar to active duty military people giving up rights like the first amendment, which the president and members of Congress should know they gave up partially as well.

The flip side is, I get tired of the “What happened to Bill Kristol?” line. Nothing happened. Some things are just obvious enough that he was able to see them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:04:14pm

What rule of law?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:04:55pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

I really wish lefties and such would stop seizing on these broken clock/blind squirrel moments with conservatives like it’s some kind of amazing breakthrough in their thought processes. They are all still garbage humans through and through.

In order to form a more perfect union we are required to work with “the other side of the aisle”

I will work with a sane opposition.

Otherwise, what else is there? Blue v. Red war?

There must be compromise. There’s always been compromise.

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gwangung  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:05:19pm

re: #23 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, “Our Revolution” were 0 for 3 here in Los Angeles County with yesterday’s election and 1 of their 3 stooges failed to get on the ballot and got NOWHERE as a write-in candidate.

The coinage of political power is winning elections. They need to do that and not just whine about the current party machinery. They NEED that machinery structure to help govern or build one that’s BETTER, because you can’t create a movement or conduct collective actions without a structure like a political party.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:09:36pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

In order to form a more perfect union we are required to work with “the other side of the aisle”

I will work with a sane opposition.

Otherwise, what else is there? Blue v. Red war?

There must be compromise. There’s always been compromise.

GOP: We want to kill all the undocumented immigrants!

DEMS: No, we won’t let you do that.

GOP: Compromise with us! Let’s kill half the undocumented immigrants and deport the other half!

DEMS: No.

GOP: WAAAH YOU WON’T COMPROMISE!!!!!!

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:09:42pm
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:09:49pm

re: #18 jaunte

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What happened for 14 of the last 15 years is whites didn’t think that oppressing blacks concerned them. Too many thought that all they had to worry about was their own little issue and everything would be OK. Suddenly, on Nov 9, 2016, their disregard of the plight of minorities came crashing down on them.

Some of them are realizing it. Some of them, if not realizing it, at least realize that the way they acted before won’t work.

And then there’s you, Bernie. The epitome of an out-of-touch old white guy.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:11:02pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

There must be compromise. There’s always been compromise.

I beg to differ. See American Civil War (1861-1865) and the entire post-Reconstruction era.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:11:28pm

re: #31 jaunte

What went wrong is all of the special election losses.

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scottslemmons  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:11:42pm

re: #18 jaunte

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:12:17pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Li’l Baby Whiplash wants you to think he is TUFF because he can haz GUNZ

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Sure thing Benny. You have a gun that might be able to put a hold in the side of a car, and the government has missiles that can blow your fucking house off the face of the earth. Guess who my money is on.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:12:46pm

I can’t compromise with folks who are fundamentally *wrong* about everything.

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TedStriker  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:12:52pm

re: #31 jaunte

Trump tweet from last March. “Numbers are way down. Many are not even trying to come in anymore.”

Why is there suddenly an urgent need to deploy the National Guard. What went wrong that we are now in such imminent peril?

— Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) April 4, 2018

Trump needs to get his dick hard, that’s why.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:13:43pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

I can’t compromise with folks who are fundamentally *wrong* about everything.

Even when they write an article that is actually correct? :)

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:14:15pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

GOP: We want to kill all the undocumented immigrants!

DEMS: No, we won’t let you do that.

GOP: Compromise with us! Let’s kill half the undocumented immigrants and deport the other half!

DEMS: No.

GOP: WAAAH YOU WON’T COMPROMISE!!!!!!

I would never support that shit & neither would Ana, French, Frum, Rubin, et al.

I became more moderate by reading LGF back in the day. I thought it was a good thing.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:14:40pm

re: #18 jaunte

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:15:36pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

I beg to differ. See American Civil War (1861-1865) and the entire post-Reconstruction era.

See every congress in between.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:16:22pm

re: #39 Belafon

Even when they write an article that is actually correct? :)

Yes. Even when they are a blind squirrel/broken clock. These are sociopathic greedy people who gleefully trample many souls for their own enrichment. They’re shitty human beings.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:17:27pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

Yes. Even when they are a blind squirrel/broken clock. These are sociopathic greedy people who gleefully trample many souls for their own enrichment. They’re shitty human beings.

WAR.

Go to your corner

RED
BLUE

No wishy washy allowed! NEGAN

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:18:16pm

JAPAN. AUSTRALIA. SCOTLAND.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:18:39pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

I would never support that shit & neither would Ana, French, Frum, Rubin, et al.

They may not explicitly support that, but they definitely *implicitly* support those “policies” with their past support of Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, Rand Paul, etc.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:20:46pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

In order to form a more perfect union we are required to work with “the other side of the aisle”

I will work with a sane opposition.

Otherwise, what else is there? Blue v. Red war?

There must be compromise. There’s always been compromise.

There is no sane opposition. The only guiding principle of the current Conservative cult is that people who are not part of them have no rights and should be hated and attacked at all times. There cannot be compromise with people who believe such things.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:21:45pm

re: #44 Stanley Sea

I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I don’t want war. You seem to be implying that I do want war.

I’m saying you can’t compromise with insane people who have endless hate in their heart.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:21:53pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

JAPAN. AUSTRALIA. SCOTLAND.

Canada, Spain, Germany, England, France, Portugal, New Zealand, Sweden, Poland, Israel, Switzerland, &c &c in other words, First World countries.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:22:21pm

re: #47 Renaissance_Man

There is no sane opposition. The only guiding principle of the current Conservative cult is that people who are not part of them have no rights and should be hated and attacked at all times. There cannot be compromise with people who believe such things.

That has been the history of conservatism throughout the history of the country. It has always been thus.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:22:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:23:10pm

this is just too pathetic:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:25:45pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is just too pathetic:

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In the meantime, FiveThirtyEight has had him holding steady between 40% and 40.5% for most of the year.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:25:53pm

The cult of personality marches on …

GOP lawmaker to introduce legislation to mandate picture of president, VP at post offices (The Hill):

Rep. Dan Donovan (R-N.Y.) is planning to introduce legislation that will mandate that post offices of the U.S. Postal Service display photos of the president and the vice president.

A draft of the legislation Donovan plans to introduce says it would require that official portraits of the president and vice president be displayed side-by-side.

The proposal comes after a Staten Island resident alerted Donovan that a local post office put up photos of former President Obama and former Vice President Joe Biden, but did not display photos of President Trump or Vice President Pence.

Donovan is facing a primary challenge from former Rep. Michael Grimm, who finished an eight-month prison sentence in 2016 for pleading guilty to tax fraud and famously once threatened to throw a reporter off a balcony.

(more)

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:27:00pm

More backassward unproductive stupidity from the Unforeseen Effects Superstar Trump admin:

The U.S. Department of Justice announced on Tuesday that the country’s immigration judges must complete at least 700 cases annually in order to earn a satisfactory job rating.
…….
“This is going to invite unnecessary scrutiny and undermine the very integrity of the court,” said Judge A. Ashley Tabaddor, the president of the National Association of Immigration Judges. “Parties who appear before the court will be wondering: ‘Is the judge issuing the decision because she’s trying to meet a deadline or a quota? Or is she really applying her impartial adjudicated powers?’”

That assumed rush to judgment could lead to grounds for an appeal of a ruling, Tabaddor said, which she said would have the opposite effect the administration intends.

“It is essentially building an appealable issue into the case, which means that instead of reducing the backlog it is going to increase the backlog,” she said.

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Cheechako  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:27:08pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

Bernie continues to pile up the evidence that the DNC’s biggest mistake as a party was ever letting that lying prick run in their primaries.

Just yesterday the Alaska Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional for the established political parties to prevent Independents from running in party primaries. The Court ruling specified the rule violated freedom of association rights under the First Amendment. Up here the main issue is Governor Walker could now run as an Independent in the Democrat primary. Governor Walker is a former Republican who ran and won as an Independent in the last election.

One of the fall-outs from this decision is that 3 way races (D, R, & I) could be curtailed giving the Democrats more of an advantage over the Republicans. Rep. Don Young has been re-elected several times because 2 other candidates split the vote against him.

Of course, this opens the door for Bernie Sanders to jump into the Democrat primary as he could declare himself to be an Independent.

We are living in interesting times.

Independents can run in party primaries, Alaska Supreme Court says, opening door for Gov. Walker

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scottslemmons  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:27:46pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹

The cult of personality marches on …

GOP lawmaker to introduce legislation to mandate picture of president, VP at post offices (The Hill):

(more)

Here’s hoping Grimm literally throws Donovan off a balcony. Neither of these twits should be serving elected office.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:29:00pm

re: #18 jaunte

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:29:33pm

re: #55 jaunte

More backassward unproductive stupidity from the Unforeseen Effects Superstar Trump admin:

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Arbitrarily setting a quota is not going to magically get the work done any faster.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:29:41pm

re: #55 jaunte

There was an interview with an immigration judge on “All Things Considered” this afternoon who noted the same thing, and why that would be so. She noted that also that “cleared cases” as the Attorney General’s quota asks for is meaningless in law. (For example, is a case cleared if there is an appeal?)

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:30:02pm
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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:30:17pm

re: #59 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Double secret probationary quotas!

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:31:52pm

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

They don’t even remember their own apocryphal right wing stories about the failures of a managed economy in the Soviet Union.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:32:38pm

re: #56 Cheechako

Will the GOP and Democrats appeal this?

How is a private organisation (a political party) bound by the I Amendment? The amendment prevents government curtailing speech and association, not private organisations.

Does the Alaska Supreme Court case mean someone could now bring a suit against the Boy Scouts, citing that case in arguments against their open discrimination of atheists?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:32:54pm

re: #62 jaunte

Double secret probationary quotas!

Just ask the Pharaoh of Egypt how that worked for him when he did that to the Israelites.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:33:09pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹

The cult of personality marches on …

GOP lawmaker to introduce legislation to mandate picture of president, VP at post offices (The Hill):

…Donovan is facing a primary challenge from former Rep. Michael Grimm, who finished an eight-month prison sentence in 2016 for pleading guilty to tax fraud and famously once threatened to throw a reporter off a balcony….

(more)

Donovan blames primary opponent Grimm for heroin arrest complaint
 (The Hill):

Rep. Dan Donovan (N.Y.) is reportedly blaming his GOP primary opponent, former Rep. Michael Grimm (N.Y.), for an ethics complaint filed against him that claims Donovan intervened in the arrest of his domestic partner’s son for heroin possession.

Donovan has denied accusations that he helped Timothy O’Connell, the son of his partner Serena Stonick, get out of an arrest for heroin possession in Staten Island in 2015.

Donovan said that only someone with congressional knowledge would know that the Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) handles such complaints, Politico reported on Monday.

“I was a prosecutor for 20 years,” Donovan told Politico in an interview. “But you don’t have to be a prosecutor to figure out that weeks before my primary against my opponent, something that allegedly — falsely, but allegedly — occurred 27 months ago comes out now. A week ago, this [ethics complaint] is filed. I had an election in between there.”

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Cheechako  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:37:59pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

Will the GOP and Democrats appeal this?

How is a private organisation (a political party) bound by the I Amendment? The amendment prevents government curtailing speech and association, not private organisations.

Does the Alaska Supreme Court case mean someone could now bring a suit against the Boy Scouts, citing that case in arguments against their open discrimination of atheists?

The Democrats brought the suit as they wanted independent candidates to be able to seek the party’s support in the primary. I don’t think they’ll appeal as they won. Haven’t heard what the Republicans are planning to do.

I have no idea what this could mean about the Boy Scouts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:38:11pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Party of Law and Order (dum dum).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:41:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:41:28pm

Google’s doodle of Maya Angelou is still up. She was born on this date in 1928.

I’ve learned that you shouldn’t go through life with a catcher’s mitt on both hands; you need to be able to throw something back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:43:31pm
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:44:03pm

re: #56 Cheechako

Just yesterday the Alaska Supreme Court ruled it was unconstitutional for the established political parties to prevent Independents from running in party primaries. The Court ruling specified the rule violated freedom of association rights under the First Amendment. Up here the main issue is Governor Walker could now run as an Independent in the Democrat primary. Governor Walker is a former Republican who ran and won as an Independent in the last election.

One of the fall-outs from this decision is that 3 way races (D, R, & I) could be curtailed giving the Democrats more of an advantage over the Republicans. Rep. Don Young has been re-elected several times because 2 other candidates split the vote against him.

Of course, this opens the door for Bernie Sanders to jump into the Democrat primary as he could declare himself to be an Independent.

We are living in interesting times.

Independents can run in party primaries, Alaska Supreme Court says, opening door for Gov. Walker

And that’s a bad ruling. The SCOTUS ruled years ago that groups, like the Boy Scouts, have the right to exclude people (later, after that ruling, the Boy Scouts would sue to try to get funding denied to them because they refused to let gays in and SCOTUS said nope). Groups do not have to let people in so long as they don’t violate any civil rights of a person. And a person wanting to be in a party doesn’t qualify.

It’s why Charles can keep people out of here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:45:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:46:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:47:17pm
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:48:05pm

re: #67 Cheechako

The Democrats brought the suit as they wanted independent candidates to be able to seek the party’s support in the primary. I don’t think they’ll appeal as they won. Haven’t heard what the Republicans are planning to do.

I have no idea what this could mean about the Boy Scouts.

That makes it sound a bit different, though. What was keeping Democrats from allowing the independents in? If the party wanted to let them in, they should have been able to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:49:35pm

Art, NWS confirmed another one:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:50:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:51:30pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:52:46pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:53:07pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is about seventy different kinds of awesome.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:53:33pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

Occasionally, the weirdness and idiocy of people needs to be documented and shared. And then you get Trump.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:54:06pm

re: #48 teleskiguy

I don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I don’t want war. You seem to be implying that I do want war.

I’m saying you can’t compromise with insane people who have endless hate in their heart.

You are taking her too literally. She is using war as being so hardline as to not allow for a change in conservatives.

That is already a big problem from the conservative side ever since Ronnie RayGun went with the “L” world. With “war” in context that means there will never be sanity in our politics.

Sure, it is very fucked up now, but it would benefit us all if it wasn’t.

Plus, it’s Stanley. She doesn’t seem the hostile war type. I don’t think that deserved a downding, you could debate it.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:54:25pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

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While they’re deployed, Trump will probably be convinced to revoke job protections for deployed troops.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:55:48pm

re: #81 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That is about seventy different kinds of awesome.

this is why I love twitter

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Cheechako  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:55:59pm

re: #72 Belafon

And that’s a bad ruling. The SCOTUS ruled years ago that groups, like the Boy Scouts, have the right to exclude people (later, after that ruling, the Boy Scouts would sue to try to get funding denied to them because they refused to let gays in and SCOTUS said nope). Groups do not have to let people in so long as they don’t violate any civil rights of a person. And a person wanting to be in a party doesn’t qualify.

Personally, I think it’s a little bit of rat-fucking by the Democrats. Up until now the Democrats have always had open primaries while the Republican primary has always been closed. I believe the Republicans have a “wink-wink” attitude when an “Independent” candidate enters any of the political races as Independents tended to pull votes from the Democrats. Now, with this ruling, an “Independent” can enter the Republican primary and bring up issues the Republicans would like to avoid in the primary election. The Republicans up here are very hard core.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:56:48pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:57:02pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

OK. Sure. Let’s debate people who want all “librulz” dead, who want a white ethnostate, who think Fuckface Von Clownstick is doing a good job. Yeah, let’s debate that shit!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:58:51pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:59:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 7:59:51pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:01:04pm

re: #87 gocart mozart

At some point, Trump is going to start going after Rachel by name. Rachel will gloriously stomp Trump to a pulp when that happens. Rachel SMASH!

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:01:27pm

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

Art, NWS confirmed another one:

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Wow. I guess that front that came through yesterday was pretty active. As I said earlier today, it is good it didn’t get as warm yesterday as predicted. They said it would get to 75° and I don’t think it got much over 60°. That may have lessened them, thankfully.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:05:55pm

I’d say pretty high.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:06:44pm

re: #94 teleskiguy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:07:37pm

re: #93 ObserverArt

Wow. I guess that front that came through yesterday was pretty active. As I said earlier today, it is good it didn’t get as warm yesterday as predicted. They said it would get to 75° and I don’t think it got much over 60°. That may have lessened them, thankfully.

It certainly wasn’t how Xenia and the rest of Ohio wanted to mark the 44th anniversary.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:07:49pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

OK. Sure. Let’s debate people who want all “librulz” dead, who want a white ethnostate, who think Fuckface Von Clownstick is doing a good job. Yeah, let’s debate that shit!

Is that everyone? If many of them get dumped and are gone in two years will that be better?

I’m not denying there are a ton of assholes and your point. Just that those assholes ran out other moderates and took over. I don’t think that will be sustainable.

And all Stanley was saying is taking a hard line isn’t going to help. We already have the hardline…your examples above.

All we can do is vote them out right? Or, do you have some other method?

Edit to add: And I meant debate Stanley and LGF. Not the wingnuts.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:07:54pm
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Kilroy was here  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:09:03pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹

The cult of personality marches on …

GOP lawmaker to introduce legislation to mandate picture of president, VP at post offices (The Hill):

(more)

Well, they still post photos of criminals in Post Offices, so……
Perfect Fit!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:09:59pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:10:19pm

re: #97 ObserverArt

All we can do is vote them out right? Or, do you have some other method?

WTF?!? Please, elaborate. Be more specific. What do you have in mind? What is “other method”?

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:14:17pm

re: #101 teleskiguy

WTF?!? Please, elaborate. Be more specific. What do you have in mind? What is “other method”?

I give up. Forget it.

edit: thanks for the downding.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:16:39pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Forget it.

That’s impossible. The fact that my favorite internet community has a couple of members who think I want to kill conservatives is going to make me lose sleep.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:19:35pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

OK. Sure. Let’s debate people who want all “librulz” dead, who want a white ethnostate, who think Fuckface Von Clownstick is doing a good job. Yeah, let’s debate that shit!

goalposts

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:20:20pm

re: #103 teleskiguy

That’s impossible. The fact that my favorite internet community has a couple of members who think I want to kill conservatives is going to make me lose sleep.

No one said you are going to kill anyone. And that is why I said forget it. I’m sorry I engaged you.

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Belafon  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:21:10pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Done thousands of times over my life.

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Archangelus  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:21:30pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:22:36pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea

goalposts

You know, I thought about that. I equated Jack Posobiec with Jennifer Rubin. Not right.

BUT…

Jennifer Rubin is not to be trusted, the same with Jack Posobiec.

That’s the way I see it. I’m at a ‘No Quarter’ stage with anything “conservative.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:22:45pm
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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:25:13pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:25:24pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

You know, I thought about that. I equated Jack Posobiec with Jennifer Rubin. Not right.

BUT…

Jennifer Rubin is not to be trusted, the same with Jack Posobiec.

That’s the way I see it. I’m at a ‘No Quarter’ stage with anything “conservative.”

I have never seen an honest conservative president any time in my life. None of them.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:25:58pm

re: #105 ObserverArt

I don’t know. I guess my implicit/explicit shit-o-meter is off caliber. I’m sorry about my belligerence. I think your dispatches from central Ohio are *valuable* and your photoshop fu is on point. I hope we’re still friends.

{{{kissess}}}

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:27:33pm

“Conservative” = selectively radical.

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retired cynic  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:30:56pm

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

I have never seen an honest conservative president any time in my life. None of them.

Could depend on definition of conservative, I suppose. Closest in my lifetime: Ike & Jerry Ford.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:31:07pm

re: #113 jaunte

“Conservative” = selectively radical.

Dude. That’s the crux of the biscuit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:32:17pm

re: #54 Anymouse 🌹

The cult of personality marches on …

GOP lawmaker to introduce legislation to mandate picture of president, VP at post offices (The Hill):

(more)

People are screaming at Congress because they don’t see Trump’s picture in our offices. Fact is that the White House has DECLINED to provide a picture of IT for distribution!

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prairiefire  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:34:21pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

I would never support that shit & neither would Ana, French, Frum, Rubin, et al.

I became more moderate by reading LGF back in the day. I thought it was a good thing.

Remember when you had to think of baked bread to calm down?

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retired cynic  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:34:24pm

re: #116 Joe Bacon 🌹

People are screaming at Congress because they don’t see Trump’s picture in our offices. Fact is that the White House has DECLINED to provide a picture of to us for distribution!

That sounds about par for the course. Pun intended.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:35:46pm

re: #115 teleskiguy

I grew up believing that the country would be a better place if everyone had an economic safety net, healthcare, opportunity, the hope that their children could do better than they did. Part of that used to be described as conservatism, but over the years the people that call themselves conservatives seem to have given in to selfishness and fear of anyone who isn’t just like them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:39:49pm

re: #114 retired cynic

Could depend on definition of conservative, I suppose. Closest in my lifetime: Ike & Jerry Ford.

I was an infant during the last year of Ike’s presidency.

As for Ford, I really don’t care for the pardon he gave Nixon. (The Saturday Night Massacre propagated by Robert Bork resulted in a GOP promise to Bork that they would eventually reward him for firing Archibald Cox. That reward was Ronald Reagan’s appointment to the Supreme Court.)

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:41:39pm

re: #119 jaunte

Hard work and all that. Yes. I thought the same thing in my teens and early twenties. Just work hard and things will fall into place. My parents voted Republican from Reagan on until Obama, where my mom voted Obama and my dad voted for Gary Johnson.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:41:42pm

i suspect the one thing is happening to trump that he absolutely cannot afford:

he’s getting boring

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:42:18pm

re: #119 jaunte

I grew up believing that the country would be a better place if everyone had an economic safety net, healthcare, opportunity, the hope that their children could do better than they did. Part of that used to be described as conservatism, but over the years the people that call themselves conservatives seem to have given in to selfishness and fear of anyone who isn’t just like them.

Which part of that was once described as conservatism? The Civil War? The Gilded Age? The bread lines of the Great Depression? The never-ending fight against both civil rights and the New Deal? I missed that part of conservatism apparently.

Today’s “trickle-down economics” was “horse-and-sparrow economics” at the close of the XIX Century. All they do is change the names of the same failed policies.

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retired cynic  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:42:21pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

I was an infant during the last year of Ike’s presidency.

As for Ford, I really don’t care for the pardon he gave Nixon. (The Saturday Night Massacre propagated by Robert Bork resulted in a GOP promise to Bork that they would eventually reward him for firing Archibald Cox. That reward was Ronald Reagan’s appointment to the Supreme Court.)

I didn’t mean that I agreed with everything they did. Far from it. But one could say that of folks on our side. Just that I didn’t think they were opposed to a truly democratic society.

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:42:52pm

re: #122 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i suspect the one thing is happening to trump that he absolutely cannot afford:

he’s getting boring

Giphy

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:43:39pm

re: #113 jaunte

“Conservative” = selectively radical.

must support policies favorable to multinational corporations

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scottslemmons  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:44:21pm

re: #116 Joe Bacon 🌹

People are screaming at Congress because they don’t see Trump’s picture in our offices. Fact is that the White House has DECLINED to provide a picture of IT for distribution!

It’s a little surprising he hasn’t sent out worlds of photos. You’d think his ego would demand the adulation.

I’m also surprised he isn’t demanding a giant golden statue of himself somewhere, likely on top of Mt. Rushmore. He’s bigger than those little presidents!

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:44:57pm

re: #124 retired cynic

I didn’t mean that I agreed with everything they did. Far from it. But one could say that of folks on our side. Just that I didn’t think they were opposed to a truly democratic society.

Nixon launched the Southern Strategy to bring in George Wallace’s Dixiecrats to the GOP. Ronald Reagan launched his campaign on the site of slain civil rights workers. They have been opposed to a truly democratic society all my life.

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Jason Munro  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:45:36pm

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

Wait … Baby-Whips is going to use his GUNZ to murder (?) a LEO obeying a newly changed law that requires confiscation? Law and order party everyone.

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retired cynic  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:46:38pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

Nixon launched the Southern Strategy to bring in George Wallace’s Dixiecrats to the GOP. Ronald Reagan launched his campaign on the site of slain civil rights workers. They have been opposed to a truly democratic society all my life.

Right, and I didn’t mention them. And if you count Ike’s horrible Mexican deportation, which I was not aware of, I might have to strike him off the list, too.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:46:47pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

Nixon launched the Southern Strategy to bring in George Wallace’s Dixiecrats to the GOP. Ronald Reagan launched his campaign on the site of slain civil rights workers. They have been opposed to a truly democratic society all my life.

there’s a lot of talk that i see by right wingers these days about how democracy is nothing more than mob rule and thank god we don’t have it in the united states

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:48:32pm

The first time I voted for a major political party in the United States for president was in 2016 when I voted for Hillary Clinton. In hindsight, I love it. She *convinced* me to vote for her AND become a Democrat.

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:48:53pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:50:47pm

re: #132 teleskiguy

The first time I voted for a major political party in the United States for president was in 2016 when I voted for Hillary Clinton. In hindsight, I love it. She *convinced* me to vote for her AND become a Democrat.

Now I feel old since my first vote was for Jimmy Carter in 1980 for reëlection.

As a matter of fact, Mr. Carter could run again, though on Stephen Colbert’s show a couple days ago he said that he thought 93 is an upper limit to run for President.

President Jimmy Carter Is Still Praying For Donald Trump

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:51:44pm

Jack Pearson whoaaa…

In Memory of Elizabeth Reed - Tedeschi Trucks Band - 1/26/17 - Tennessee Theatre - Knoxville , TN

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:57:12pm

re: #130 retired cynic

Right, and I didn’t mention them. And if you count Ike’s horrible Mexican deportation, which I was not aware of, I might have to strike him off the list, too.

Not a President but I always thought William F Buckley gets way too much credit. He was defending Apartheid well into the 80’s.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:57:25pm

A little more clarification on plane crash at Nellis earlier today

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:58:37pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

I suppose I should have separated it into conservative habits and conservative politics.
For some reason “conservative” politics doesn’t promote conservative behavior. (Like taking care of the environment, national parks, the education of young people, the general health of the people, and so on).

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Kragar  Apr 4, 2018 • 8:59:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:00:34pm

I do agree with the crux of what AM is saying about the GOP and conservative ideology but I do feel it’s grown worse in recent years. Like I’m no fan of George W Bush but I don’t think he hated immigrants and PoC. I don’t think that about McCain either. Now Romney I think yeah especially with immigrants. Romney in hindsight was a diet, caffeine free Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:01:22pm

re: #139 Kragar

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He’s the Flyover King. Not shocked he knows nothing about immigration.

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scottslemmons  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:01:54pm

Speaking of former Republican presidents, y’all want a book recommendation?

Instagram

I just finished reading “Crooked” by Austin Grossman. Yay for reading! :)

“Crooked” by Austin Grossman. Elevator pitch: Why was Nixon so horrible? He was doing what he had to in order to defend the world from eldritch Cthulhoid horrors from other dimensions!

Told first-person from Nixon’s perspective, and even then, it’s not a constant stream of “I’m a hero, I’m so great!” This Nixon is very well aware he’s got something broken inside him. He wants to be a decent, noble, respected statesman, but his first instinct when it comes to campaigning is to be a bastard.

The story gets into the meat of the plot when Rep. Nixon decides to trail Alger Hiss after his testimony and ends up ensnared in an attempt to foil an interdimensional incursion with a couple Russians — and ends up working for the Russians as a double agent, discovering the secret military projects to harness magical energy. From there, he becomes the VP for Eisenhower, who is, hands down, the most terrifying character in the book, just from the glimpses we get of his sorcerous badassery.

All that’s before Nixon’s in the White House, before we find out about the secret Oval Office in the Oval Office, before we find out about the protective spells woven into the text of the Constitution, before we find out what Kissinger really is.

It’s a fun book, dryly humorous, not particularly scary most of the time, even considering the Lovecraftian bits that show up here and there. If Austin Grossman’s name seems familiar to you, he’s the twin brother of Lev Grossman, author of “The Magicians.” He also wrote “Soon I Will Be Invincible,” one of the great modern superhero novels.

EDIT: Do Instagram embeds not work anymore? Or am I the only person not seeing the image toward the top of this?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:03:09pm

re: #142 scottslemmons

Speaking of former Republican presidents, y’all want a book recommendation?

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“Crooked” by Austin Grossman. Elevator pitch: Why was Nixon so horrible? He was doing what he had to in order to defend the world from eldritch Cthulhoid horrors from other dimensions!

Told first-person from Nixon’s perspective, and even then, it’s not a constant stream of “I’m a hero, I’m so great!” This Nixon is very well aware he’s got something broken inside him. He wants to be a decent, noble, respected statesman, but his first instinct when it comes to campaigning is to be a bastard.

The story gets into the meat of the plot when Rep. Nixon decides to trail Alger Hiss after his testimony and ends up ensnared in an attempt to foil an interdimensional incursion with a couple Russians — and ends up working for the Russians as a double agent, discovering the secret military projects to harness magical energy. From there, he becomes the VP for Eisenhower, who is, hands down, the most terrifying character in the book, just from the glimpses we get of his sorcerous badassery.

All that’s before Nixon’s in the White House, before we find out about the secret Oval Office in the Oval Office, before we find out about the protective spells woven into the text of the Constitution, before we find out what Kissinger really is.

It’s a fun book, dryly humorous, not particularly scary most of the time, even considering the Lovecraftian bits that show up here and there. If Austin Grossman’s name seems familiar to you, he’s the twin brother of Lev Grossman, author of “The Magicians.” He also wrote “Soon I Will Be Invincible,” one of the great modern superhero novels.

Sounds fun.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:03:36pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:04:47pm

I have to be honest.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:09:02pm

re: #142 scottslemmons

Speaking of former Republican presidents, y’all want a book recommendation?

Unable to display Flash content.

“Crooked” by Austin Grossman. Elevator pitch: Why was Nixon so horrible? He was doing what he had to in order to defend the world from eldritch Cthulhoid horrors from other dimensions!

Told first-person from Nixon’s perspective, and even then, it’s not a constant stream of “I’m a hero, I’m so great!” This Nixon is very well aware he’s got something broken inside him. He wants to be a decent, noble, respected statesman, but his first instinct when it comes to campaigning is to be a bastard.

The story gets into the meat of the plot when Rep. Nixon decides to trail Alger Hiss after his testimony and ends up ensnared in an attempt to foil an interdimensional incursion with a couple Russians — and ends up working for the Russians as a double agent, discovering the secret military projects to harness magical energy. From there, he becomes the VP for Eisenhower, who is, hands down, the most terrifying character in the book, just from the glimpses we get of his sorcerous badassery.

All that’s before Nixon’s in the White House, before we find out about the secret Oval Office in the Oval Office, before we find out about the protective spells woven into the text of the Constitution, before we find out what Kissinger really is.

It’s a fun book, dryly humorous, not particularly scary most of the time, even considering the Lovecraftian bits that show up here and there. If Austin Grossman’s name seems familiar to you, he’s the twin brother of Lev Grossman, author of “The Magicians.” He also wrote “Soon I Will Be Invincible,” one of the great modern superhero novels.

EDIT: Do Instagram embeds not work anymore? Or am I the only person not seeing the image toward the top of this?

in the end i kind of like nixon, really. he just worked so hard and so sincerely that he missed out on being a human being and ended up being a cynical lying paranoid bastard

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:10:23pm

Damn! I’m shocked!

Twitter actually acted on 5 accounts I reported and shut their accounts down. That’s a miracle on the magnitude of the parting of the Red Sea!

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:11:51pm

“Conservative” vs. conservation

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:11:57pm

re: #146 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

in the end i kind of like nixon, really. he just worked so hard and so sincerely that he missed out on being a human being and ended up being a cynical lying paranoid bastard

Nixon I think could be a Shakespearean character. In fact, I think his life would be a great tragedy play.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:12:38pm

re: #148 jaunte

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“Conservative” vs. conservation

And they call us out of touch.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:12:56pm

Maybe we should just call them Wasters.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:15:23pm

re: #151 jaunte

Maybe we should just call them Wasters.

There’s a great FDR quote on what separates a liberal from a conservative. Conservatives have the ability to look forward but choose not to.

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jaunte  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:16:35pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

That could explain their not understanding that tariffs will always generate a reply.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:17:40pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

There’s a great FDR quote on what separates a liberal from a conservative. Conservatives have the ability to look forward but choose not to.

A radical is a man with both feet firmly planted — in the air. A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward. A reactionary is a somnambulist walking backwards. A liberal is a man who uses his legs and his hands at the behest — at the command — of his head.

Radio Address to the New York Herald Tribune Forum (26 October 1939)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:17:49pm

re: #153 jaunte

That could explain their not understanding that tariffs will always generate a reply.

I think so as well.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:18:24pm

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹

A radical is a man with both feet firmly planted — in the air. A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward. A reactionary is a somnambulist walking backwards. A liberal is a man who uses his legs and his hands at the behest — at the command — of his head.

Radio Address to the New York Herald Tribune Forum (26 October 1939)

Yep! Always liked that one.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:25:01pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:29:58pm

Maybe 10-to-15 more years locked up would help him to “fully understand”

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scottslemmons  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:37:43pm

re: #158 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Maybe 10-to-15 more years locked up would help him to “fully understand”

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“Close to understanding”?

He doesn’t have affluenza, he’s just a fucking sociopath.

He’s going to kill more people, and he’ll still probably get a slap on the wrist.

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JordanRules  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:41:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:46:59pm

I’m off to bed for the night. Have class in the county seat at 8:30 am. (Bleah, that’s too early.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:50:21pm

re: #158 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Maybe 10-to-15 more years locked up would help him to “fully understand”

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Oh?

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:51:07pm

I agree with LGF disdain for what the administration is doing to strip the country and sell it for parts.

But I guess that I am beginning to draw a distinction between at least some parts of the “conservative” movement.

Frum has a pinned tweet to the effect that “If you substitute the phrase “Rule of law” for the phrase “Deep State”, what the Magats are saying can translate into some semblance of coherent English.

So far, this seems to me a good distinction. The commitment to the Constitution, Democracy, the rule of honestly determined laws, _perhaps_ even some shared ethics.

I see some NeverTrumpers, such as Rubin, Frum, Kristol, and Wilson as among that group. I still find their policy goals damnable and feel that those can result in thousands of early American deaths.

But at least there is some possibly of conversation with them. Plus, we will need them for a better chance at ridding ourselves of the Magats.

People like Baby Whiplash who threaten to ignore gun laws, who seek to intimidate and threaten to kill those who do follow them, and overthrow the government are not showing much interest for the Constitution, our democracy, our laws, our ethics, or us. I do not see how it is possible to hold much of a conversation with them.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:52:16pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2018 • 9:58:45pm

Dr. Dog - Buzzing in the Light [Official Audio]

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:02:41pm

re: #163 ckkatz

I agree with LGF disdain for what the administration is doing to strip the country and sell it for parts.

But I guess that I am beginning to draw a distinction between at least some parts of the “conservative” movement.

Frum has a pinned tweet to the effect that “If you substitute the phrase “Rule of law” for the phrase “Deep State”, what the Magats are saying can translate into some semblance of coherent English.

So far, this seems to me a good distinction. The commitment to the Constitution, Democracy, the rule of honestly determined laws, _perhaps_ even some shared ethics.

I see some NeverTrumpers, such as Rubin, Frum, Kristol, and Wilson as among that group. I still find their policy goals damnable and feel that those can result in thousands of early American deaths.

But at least there is some possibly of conversation with them. Plus, we will need them for a better chance at ridding ourselves of the Magats.

People like Baby Whiplash who threaten to ignore gun laws, who seek to intimidate and threaten to kill those who do follow them, and overthrow the government are not showing much interest for the Constitution, our democracy, our laws, our ethics, or us. I do not see how it is possible to hold much of a conversation with them.

I do agree with that. I could be civil in talking with those you mentioned but someone like Shapiro as you get at is a condescending dick for the sake of being a condescending dick.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:04:40pm

This fuckin’ guy.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:07:38pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

This fuckin’ guy.

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That’s rich of him for the reasons said. I’m tired of him and his bullshit. He’s not the leader or the man they think he is, he’s a self serving hypocrite masquerading as a man of the people.

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:11:10pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I do agree with that. I could be civil in talking with those you mentioned but someone like Shapiro as you get at is a condescending dick for the sake of being a condescending dick.

Yes,most definitely. Condescending dicks are obnoxious to attempt to deal with. Right after the 2016 election there was a panel of jounalists sponsored by the Northwestern Univeristy School of Journalism. They were attempting analyze the election. The Fox representative on the panel was a condescending dick and basically totally disrupted the talk. I felt really bad for the other folks on it who were trying to do an honest job and keep the discussion going.

But I think that Baby Whiplash’s recent tweets have gone beyond the point of condescending dick. And have moved into the vaguely threatening region. Stonekettle has been attempting to get these folks to either realize or fully state what they are saying.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:14:36pm

re: #169 ckkatz

Yes,most definitely. Condescending dicks are obnoxious to attempt to deal with. Right after the 2016 election there was a panel of jounalists sponsored by the Northwestern Univeristy School of Journalism. They were attempting analyze the election. The Fox representative on the panel was a condescending dick and basically totally disrupted the talk. I felt really bad for the other folks on it who were trying to do an honest job and keep the discussion going.

But I think that Baby Whiplash’s recent tweets have gone beyond the point of condescending dick. And have moved into the vaguely threatening region. Stonekettle has been attempting to get these folks to either realize or fully state what they are saying.

Right. Can’t say I’m surprised he’s gotten worse. You can take the boy out of Breitbart but not the Breitbart out of the boy. My problem with him is how he lies and belittles people while portraying himself as an intellectual only interested in facts but he’s just as emotionally driven and ya know what I bet despite the tough guy rhetoric doesn’t know anything outside wingnut rhetoric on firearms.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:16:01pm

Conservatives claim to be for rule of law and all that until their fee fees get hurt. In short, so much of conservatives preach against liberals doing, they themselves do.

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majii  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:22:13pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

“This fuckin’ guy.”

When you labeled him “This fuckin’ guy,” you hit the ball out of the park for the win. As a female POC and a lifelong Democrat, Bernie Sanders gets on my last damn nerve. Instead of giving speeches and disparaging #44, he should sit his ass down somewhere, gather together information about the Democratic Party and it’s members and read and study that material. It pisses me off that he reduces former Pres. Obama to a ”charismatic leader.” His ass was in Congress long before Obama joined the body, and yet, he has little to show for it. I want him to keep running his damn mouth and pissing off POC and others in the party that don’t buy his BS. If he decides to run in 2020, I predict he’ll end up right where he ended up in 2016—-with his name missing from the presidential ballot in November 2020. I won’t share everything I think about him here, but I will share that none of it is good. Where I am concerned, he and Trump are tied for first place on my shit list.

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:27:13pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Conservatives claim to be for rule of law and all that until their fee fees get hurt. In short, so much of conservatives preach against liberals doing, they themselves do.

Yup, there is something about a vague threat to kill that is such a conversation starter. /

Recently I was listening to a series of talks on finding common ethics in a multicultural environment. And the conclusion was that the universal ethic among cultures was the Golden Rule.

Certainly the Golden Rule is a good start in figuring out whether to attempt to engage with some one.

Off-topic… Some threads ago you had mentioned that Dr McCabe had run in your district. Since I live just south of Reston, I was just wondering where she ran.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:32:43pm

re: #173 ckkatz

Yup, there is something about a vague threat to kill that is such a conversation starter. /

Recently I was listening to a series of talks on finding common ethics in a multicultural environment. And the conclusion was that the universal ethic among cultures was the Golden Rule.

Certainly the Golden Rule is a good start in figuring out whether to attempt to engage with some one.

Off-topic… Some threads ago you had mentioned that Dr McCabe had run in your district. Since I live just south of Reston, I was just wondering where she ran.

Western Loudoun. I work in Reston, grew up in Herndon.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:37:44pm

re: #172 majii

“This fuckin’ guy.”

When you labeled him “This fuckin’ guy,” you hit the ball out of the park for the win. As a female POC and a lifelong Democrat, Bernie Sanders gets on my last damn nerve. Instead of giving speeches and disparaging #44, he should sit his ass down somewhere, gather together information about the Democratic Party and it’s members and read and study that material. It pisses me off that he reduces former Pres. Obama to a ”charismatic leader.” His ass was in Congress long before Obama joined the body, and yet, he has little to show for it. I want him to keep running his damn mouth and pissing off POC and others in the party that don’t buy his BS. If he decides to run in 2020, I predict he’ll end up right where he ended up in 2016—-with his name missing from the presidential ballot in November 2020. I won’t share everything I think about him here, but I will share that none of it is good. Where I am concerned, he and Trump are tied for first place on my shit list.

He just has no respect for our coalition and yeah just dismissing Obama as a charismatic leader proves that. I also hate his immigration record and how poor it is being ignored.

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:39:49pm

re: #172 majii

Yes, I agree, Sanders has certainly burned a whole bunch bridges. As have some of his supporters. Abley assisted by some foreign trolls and bots. I do hope that the Democratiic Party can find a way to politely shuffle him off to the sidelines. I think that his effect on the Democratic Party is diminishing.

And I hope that his supporters are realizing, with horror, what has happened. I watched friends who supported Nadar back in 2000 slowly come to realize (with aforementioned horror) that they had essentially voted in Bush 43.

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The Deep State Drank All The Beer!  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:41:16pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

He does have a point about the “50 state party” thing. It would be nice if Vermont had two Democratic Senators.

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:46:21pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Western Loudoun. I work in Reston, grew up in Herndon.

Aha! Western Loudoun and outside my district, That explains why I missed it.

Amazing how the area has changed since I last frequented Western Loudoun. I remember the old “Don’t Fairfax Loudoun” bumper stickers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:46:50pm

PS: I almost forgot the big news of the day. /s

During my lunch break from the public information officer class, I nipped over to the county courthouse and filed to run for reëlection.

Will the long-haired socialist be reëlected to a third term in the reddest house district in the nation? Stay tuned in November.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:49:24pm

re: #176 ckkatz

Yes, I agree, Sanders has certainly burned a whole bunch bridges. As have some of his supporters. Abley assisted by some foreign trolls and bots. I do hope that the Democratiic Party can find a way to politely shuffle him off to the sidelines. I think that his effect on the Democratic Party is diminishing.

And I hope that his supporters are realizing, with horror, what has happened. I watched friends who supported Nadar back in 2000 slowly come to realize (with aforementioned horror) that they had essentially voted in Bush 43.

Ya know, I’m not sold he would be a good president. He’s not welcome to other opinions.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:50:11pm

re: #172 majii

“This fuckin’ guy.”

When you labeled him “This fuckin’ guy,” you hit the ball out of the park for the win. As a female POC and a lifelong Democrat, Bernie Sanders gets on my last damn nerve. Instead of giving speeches and disparaging #44, he should sit his ass down somewhere, gather together information about the Democratic Party and it’s members and read and study that material. It pisses me off that he reduces former Pres. Obama to a ”charismatic leader.” His ass was in Congress long before Obama joined the body, and yet, he has little to show for it. I want him to keep running his damn mouth and pissing off POC and others in the party that don’t buy his BS. If he decides to run in 2020, I predict he’ll end up right where he ended up in 2016—-with his name missing from the presidential ballot in November 2020. I won’t share everything I think about him here, but I will share that none of it is good. Where I am concerned, he and Trump are tied for first place on my shit list.

I admit my support for Sen. Sanders during the primary season was misplaced. (When it became clear he was not going to win the primaries, my support went to Hillary Clinton.)

Things have come forth since the primaries that I am very unhappy with about him now. Fortunately I got better.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:50:37pm

re: #178 ckkatz

Aha! Western Loudoun and outside my district, That explains why I missed it.

Amazing how the area has changed since I last frequented Western Loudoun. I remember the old “Don’t Fairfax Loudoun” bumper stickers.

It’s still conservative here unfortunately. But yeah not the Loudoun of 20 years ago.

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:51:46pm

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹

PS: I almost forgot the big news of the day. /s

During my lunch break from the public information officer class, I nipped over to the county courthouse and filed to run for reëlection.

Will the long-haired socialist be reëlected to a third term in the reddest house district in the nation? Stay tuned in November.

Heh. Congratulations on the re-election plans!

And good luck with the class later today. I must admit that I much prefer the “Crack of Noon” to the “Crack of Dawn”, though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:54:05pm

re: #183 ckkatz

Heh. Congratulations on the re-election plans!

And good luck with the class later today. I must admit that I much prefer the “Crack of Noon” to the “Crack of Dawn”, though.

LOL.

The Republican chairwoman (mayor) is considering not running for reëlection. She still has a few weeks to make up her mind (as of yet she has not filed). She said if she did not run she would support me running.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:54:29pm

re: #177 The Deep State Drank All The Beer!

He does have a point about the “50 state party” thing. It would be nice if Vermont had two Democratic Senators.

Except he’s a hypocrite and his point is whatever he needs it to be in the moment. Being a 50 State party starts with not dismissing Democratic primary voters in the deep south simply because they voted against him, with not saying that since those States can’t be won in the general so they shouldn’t count. Also it’s racist as fuck, Bernie lost the Southern States because he overwhelmingly lost black voters. You’ll notice that Bernie never made the same claims about overwhelmingly white Republican States like Idaho whose primaries he won.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:56:40pm

re: #163 ckkatz

What you describe strikes me as the Reactionary Atavists vs. the Institutionalists.

The latter group, by their characterological essence, are “conservative”.

The former group, who are strong believers in magick, think of words like “conservative” as incantations as well as labels. So they will attach that word to anything believe, no matter how radical (and not conservative in the traditional sense of that word) it actually is.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 10:56:50pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

Except he’s a hypocrite and his point is whatever he needs it to be in the moment. Being a 50 State party starts with not dismissing Democratic primary voters in the deep south simply because they voted against him, with not saying that since those States can’t be won in the general so they shouldn’t count. Also it’s racist as fuck, Bernie lost the Southern States because he overwhelmingly lost black voters. You’ll notice that Bernie never made the same claims about overwhelmingly white Republican States like Idaho whose primaries he won.

Yep he dismissed the Southern primaries but gloated about his caucus wins in equally Republican states. Not to mention complaining about closed primaries while being fine with caucuses.

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CleverToad  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:00:47pm

To follow up on previous thread:
Stanley Sea, I made it to the Wonkette fest for about an hour. Brief conversation with The Editrix herself, who says hi back to the CA Lizard. A sighting of the Wonkette Toddler who spent the time absorbed in her tablet screen — she must be used these gigs, lots of adults talking loudly in small rooms. No good pix, my flip-phone camera is not up to poor lighting conditions. Had some enjoyable conversation with local flaming liberals, with the general agreement that it’s heartening to talk to folk on the same side of the fight. We are not alone, and we can remind each other not to get used to this horrible new normal.

Now I have to be really, really nice to my poor old mother tomorrow, since I left her for three hours to the tender mercies of her son-in-law. (Who made her dinner, played Pavarotti albums, and remembered to give her her nightly pills. I hafta be nice to him too.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:02:40pm

I don’t care that Sanders is well off and talking about inequality. I have a problem that he only sees that. Economic inequality isn’t the answer to all our problems.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:04:21pm

re: #186 freetoken

What you describe strikes me as the Reactionary Atavists vs. the Institutionalists.

The latter group, by their characterological essence, are “conservative”.

The former group, who are strong believers in magick, think of words like “conservative” as incantations as well as labels. So they will attach that word to anything believe, no matter how radical (and not conservative in the traditional sense of that word) it actually is.

I think of “conservative” in US politics, based on the history of conservatism in the country, as conserving power and money.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:07:01pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

I think of “conservative” in US politics, based on the history of conservatism in the country, as conserving power and money.

I just look at the crucial issues we’ve faced as a nation. I’d argue that conservatives were either flat out wrong or at least wrong in approach on those issues. As argued in the past, perhaps conservatism had a place for reversing some of the excesses of the French Revolution but on abolition, the labor movement, Civil Rights, etc, conservatives have and continue to be wrong.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:07:08pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

I think of “conservative” in US politics, based on the history of conservatism in the country, as conserving power and money.

Well, power and money, and institutions, almost always go together.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:08:49pm

The American conservative lives in a present fought for by progressives and tries to convince himself this has things always have been or the past was somehow better.

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:12:36pm

re: #186 freetoken

What you describe strikes me as the Reactionary Atavists vs. the Institutionalists.

The latter group, by their characterological essence, are “conservative”.

The former group, who are strong believers in magick, think of words like “conservative” as incantations as well as labels. So they will attach that word to anything believe, no matter how radical (and not conservative in the traditional sense of that word) it actually is.

I have read a a number of articles that convincingly agree with your point on the institutionalists. Indeed, some argue that one of Trump’s distinguishing characteristics is that he is anti-Institution. (Including the Constitution, which is what our democratic institutions are built upon.)

In fact, a lot of military detest him for exactly that reason. When folks enroll in the military they take an oath to support and defend the Constitution not a specific person.

I admit to not having figured out the Magats. Although Eric Hoffer talks about a class of them in “The True Believer”. I will be looking more deeply into your point there.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:14:31pm

Why am I a liberal? Simple. I read history.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:18:14pm

re: #194 ckkatz

Trump is highly disruptive. He is anything but “conservative”.

Trump is a bigot and only cares about his ego, which is defined by his money and fame, so many Americans who describe themselves as Progressive see those two characteristics and, because of the past 5 decades or so of evolution of the Republican party think that defines Trump as “conservative”, but that is not really what the word means.

Queen Elizabeth II is conservative. She is also very much not like Trump. She is conservative because she is the fleshly representative of an old, old institution. As such she never does anything too radical.

Trump is out to destroy anything that doesn’t satisfy his insatiable infantalistic need for attention.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:20:01pm

re: #196 freetoken

Trump is highly disruptive. He is anything but “conservative”.

Trump is a bigot and only cares about his ego, which is defined by his money and fame, so many Americans who describe themselves as Progressive see those two characteristics and, because of the past 5 decades or so of evolution of the Republican party think that defines Trump as “conservative”, but that is not really what the word means.

Queen Elizabeth II is conservative. She is also very much not like Trump. She is conservative because she is the fleshly representative of an old, old institution. As such she never does anything too radical.

Trump is out to destroy anything that doesn’t satisfy his insatiable infantalistic need for attention.

Trump is a reactionary and radical. He’s very much like fascists of old in that way. He looks to a past that never was to create a horrifying future.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:20:11pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Why am I a liberal? Simple. I read history.

I don’t care to repeat a lot of it either.

Well, I really am going to bed now. Class in the morning.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:20:48pm

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t care to repeat a lot of it either.

Well, I really am going to bed now. Class in the morning.

Night but yep that too.

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:28:31pm

re: #196 freetoken

Trump is highly disruptive. He is anything but “conservative”.

Trump is a bigot and only cares about his ego, which is defined by his money and fame, so many Americans who describe themselves as Progressive see those two characteristics and, because of the past 5 decades or so of evolution of the Republican party think that defines Trump as “conservative”, but that is not really what the word means.

Queen Elizabeth II is conservative. She is also very much not like Trump. She is conservative because she is the fleshly representative of an old, old institution. As such she never does anything too radical.

Trump is out to destroy anything that doesn’t satisfy his insatiable infantalistic need for attention.

Reasonable point. I agree that Trump has few policy interests beyond personal avarice and egotism. And certainly is not driven by any commitment to any flavor of conservatism.

Yes, I agree that Trump, as a human, is detestable. And I think that you are correct in your description of the components of his destructive personality.

I was just looking at how he has built his administration and affected our beautiful country. In his first year, hseems to have attempted to build a class a oligarchs and lackies similar to what Putin did.

But I do wonder about who his supporters are and why they are still supporting him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:29:56pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Box With Cooking Instructions Immediately Retrieved From Trash

happens at my place at least twice a week…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:30:55pm

re: #99 Kilroy was here

GOP lawmaker to introduce legislation to mandate picture of president, VP at post offices

They should put them up next to the Ten Commandments

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:33:25pm

re: #200 ckkatz

Reasonable point. I agree that Trump has few policy interests beyond personal avarice and egotism. And certainly is not driven by any commitment to any flavor of conservatism.

Yes, I agree that Trump, as a human, is detestable. And I think that you are correct in your description of the components of his destructive personality.

I was just looking at how he has built his administration and affected our beautiful country. In his first year, hseems to have attempted to build a class a oligarchs and lackies similar to what Putin did.

But I do wonder about who his supporters are and why they are still supporting him.

I think what defines is his core supporters is their contempt for the political system and how much the country has changed.

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sagehen  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:34:30pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

I was an infant during the last year of Ike’s presidency.

As for Ford, I really don’t care for the pardon he gave Nixon. (The Saturday Night Massacre propagated by Robert Bork resulted in a GOP promise to Bork that they would eventually reward him for firing Archibald Cox. That reward was Ronald Reagan’s appointment to the Supreme Court.)

And FDR interred the Japanese, and instituted a draft that inducted every able-bodied man 18-34. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t essentially liberal most of the time, about most things.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:35:58pm

re: #200 ckkatz

But I do wonder about who his supporters are and why they are still supporting him.

From what I see online, including my Facebook stream, Trump’s diehard supporters (and not addressing here the sheepish Republicans who are afraid to stand up to him), there are two large groups:
1) religious people who have been primed to believe that “liberals” and “Democrats” are evil minions of Satan;
2) antisocial (gun porn addicts, misogynists hiding behind MRA , Nazi-fetishists, etc.) types who really want to destroy.

It’s the ugly underbelly of America.

Remember, not only did Trump not win the popular vote, he didn’t even get a true majority of the votes in the Republican primaries.

Trump is not really that popular. When Rasmussen pushes their push-polling that claims that “50%” of Americans “approve” of Trump, what is really going on is that pollees are trained to reply as if the real question is whether they want to belong to Tribe A or Tribe B.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:36:27pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

I was an infant during the last year of Ike’s presidency.

Then we are of the same age…

There are “conservative” principles that I support: personal responsibility, individual initiative, a Free Market with minimal government interference, etc.

But I do not agree with the way that the GOP implements these ideas: a Free Market has to function for all participants, producers and consumers, employers and employees.

We cannot expect individuals and families with limited incomes and assets to be able to negotiate on even terms with multinational corporations for terms of employment, insurance, financial services, etc.

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sagehen  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:40:35pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Nixon I think could be a Shakespearean character. In fact, I think his life would be a great tragedy play.

He’s already an opera character.

Nixon In China (Opera): Act I Scene 1 - News

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ckkatz  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:42:40pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

I think what defines is his core supporters is their contempt for the political system and how much the country has changed.

Yes, I agree, there is a group that rejects the Constitution, democratic institutions, and the rule of laws. Perhaps some out of contempt, perhaps some out of ignorance, perhaps some out of ideology and perhaps some because they think that they can make a buck by doing so.

Yes, there are organizations and websites that cater to each of these groups.

And yes, there has been a lot of change in our lifetimes. I keep getting reminded of the years just before the Civil War. With massive population and territorial growth in the country, huge innovations in communications like railroads, telegraphs, and mass circulation newspapers, and significant industrial and agricultural changes.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:43:15pm

Can he ever just not?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:46:13pm

re: #207 sagehen

He’s already an opera character.

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Yep!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:48:06pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

Can he ever just not?

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Ask James Earl Ray why he hated and killed MLK, Bernie. It wasn’t his economic views, it was his racial ones. MLK did believe in economic justice for sure but unlike you, he wasn’t blind about race. But thanks Bernie.

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sagehen  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:48:21pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

I think of “conservative” in US politics, based on the history of conservatism in the country, as conserving power and money.

The essence of conservatism, everywhere and always, is attachment to the status quo. Conservatives like what they’re used to, and they want it to be what they can expect for the future.

These far-right radicals, who want to undo the 20th century, are definitionally not conservative. Even though that’s what they like to call themselves.

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freetoken  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:49:23pm

re: #208 ckkatz

I’ve done quite a bit of genealogy, and as such have had to scrounge around America’s past, right back to Jamestown.

What I think is underappreciated by many is how much society has changed, and in particular the incredible dynamics of technological changes in the 19th and 20th century.

We are living in a different world than the “founding fathers.”

This is not spoken about enough by our leaders. I think too many politicians are afraid to go into depth about these topics (well, few are probably equipped to do so.)

Besides being black, Obama is well educated. To this day I find coming across my Facebook wall the most unfounded reactions to anything having to do with Obama. Many not-well-educated white folk are doubly bothered by Obama. It’s not just that he is black, but that he is smart. Very smart, and very well educated.

They resented that deeply.

Trump’s speech is readily accessible to people who are not able to follow the elite-educated speech of say Obama.

I’m trying to not claim that Trump supporters are “stupid” because I believe that people, if they are willing, can learn just about anything.

It is a lot of work, though.

And as we grow older we become less flexible in thinking new thoughts.

So Trump plays on mindsets well-baked-in, so people don’t have to think, just feel (usually hatred for brown people.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:50:08pm

re: #208 ckkatz

Yes, I agree, there is a group that rejects the Constitution, democratic institutions, and the rule of laws. Perhaps some out of contempt, perhaps some out of ignorance, perhaps some out of ideology and perhaps some because they think that they can make a buck by doing so.

Yes, there are organizations and websites that cater to each of these groups.

And yes, there has been a lot of change in our lifetimes. I keep getting reminded of the years just before the Civil War. With massive population and territorial growth in the country, huge innovations in communications like railroads, telegraphs, and mass circulation newspapers, and significant industrial and agricultural changes.

We live in the same area. What really separates the liberals from the conservatives here is how we are to newcomers whether they be from a different country or state or region.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:53:16pm

re: #213 freetoken

I’ve done quite a bit of genealogy, and as such have had to scrounge around America’s past, right back to Jamestown.

What I think is underappreciated by many is how much society has changed, and in particular the incredible dynamics of technological changes in the 19th and 20th century.

We are living in a different world than the “founding fathers.”

This is not spoken about enough by our leaders. I think too many politicians are afraid to go into depth about these topics (well, few are probably equipped to do so.)

Besides being black, Obama is well educated. To this day I find coming across my Facebook wall the most unfounded reactions to anything having to do with Obama. Many not-well-educated white folk are doubly bothered by Obama. It’s not just that he is black, but that he is smart. Very smart, and very well educated.

They resented that deeply.

Trump’s speech is readily accessible to people who are not able to follow the elite-educated speech of say Obama.

I’m trying to not claim that Trump supporters are “stupid” because I believe that people, if they are willing, can learn just about anything.

It is a lot of work, though.

And as we grow older we become less flexible in thinking new thoughts.

So Trump plays on mindsets well-baked-in, so people don’t have to think, just feel (usually hatred for brown people.)

President Obama is a true American success story whereas Trump is privilege defined. You make a great point about how Obama speaks and that makes them uncomfortable just as Trump makes them comfortable. It’s not stupidity, it’s the refusal to think as you said.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 4, 2018 • 11:59:44pm

I get real personal when I debate conservatives in person, with good reason.
I’ve never had children out of wedlock
I’ve been with my wife over 20 years
I’ve never divorced
I have held a job since I was 16 meaning I’ve never been one week in my adult life where I wasn’t working for a paycheck (32 years).
I own a home
I fully fund my retirement
I self paid through college (also was a paid intern)
I was an altar boy (I know, I know)
I’ve never been arrested
So poor the day I started high school I was living in a car with my sibs and mother

(I’m trying not to brag because to me it’s been just the way I live, good luck and bad)

None of the “conservatives” I have ever had the displeasure to know or meet can meet these incredibly high standard and when confronted with their own personal weaknesses, they fold like a cheap tent.

“Yeah I don’t know how you can call yourself conservative when you don’t pay your child support and call the mother(s)of your child(ren) a ****” or whatever.
I may be a smug asshole. I don’t care. Consider the target, then destroy it.

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:01:06am

re: #205 freetoken

From what I see online, including my Facebook stream, Trump’s diehard supporters (and not addressing here the sheepish Republicans who are afraid to stand up to him), there are two large groups:
1) religious people who have been primed to believe that “liberals” and “Democrats” are evil minions of Satan;
2) antisocial (gun porn addicts, misogynists hiding behind MRA , Nazi-fetishists, etc.) types who really want to destroy.

It’s the ugly underbelly of America.

Remember, not only did Trump not win the popular vote, he didn’t even get a true majority of the votes in the Republican primaries.

Trump is not really that popular. When Rasmussen pushes their push-polling that claims that “50%” of Americans “approve” of Trump, what is really going on is that pollees are trained to reply as if the real question is whether they want to belong to Tribe A or Tribe B.

Sorry for the delay in responding, a cat demanded to be petted.

I agree that many people who voted tribally/Republican in 2016. And I think/hope that tribal discipline is slowly breaking down. Certainly among my many acquaintances it seems to be.

And I am thinking that you are validly pointing out that there may be several different religious groups that are also being tribal in a separate way from the Republican ones above. The ethics discussions that are currently happening hopefully will have some affect on them.

On the anti-socials…

I wonder if that would be a huge and diverse group. Ammosexuals, supremicists, misogynists, other special-interest malcontents. And a toxic brew of anti-democratic political tribes such as fascists, nazis, sovereign citizens.

Hopefully, as you point out, surveys such as Rasmussen are less than accurate due to their surveying approach.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:02:49am

To illustrate FT’s point, I think of Obama’s saying if he had a son, he’d look like Treyvon Martin. Obama was of course President for all Americans regardless of our race but he’s still a black American and as a Black American, he’s experienced things his predecessors and successor never did. A lot of mostly white American conservatives don’t want to think about that. Not all are bigots but most if not all don’t want to think about the American experience as anything other than as a straight white Christian male and Trump and I’d say even Bernie Sanders does that vividly. A less well off white man may not have a lot in common economics wise with Trump but how he views himself is similar thus things like women’s rights, civil rights, etc scare him or can be dismissed as distractions. Sanders may believe in economic equality but he’s blind as a bat to how a true lack of racial equality hinders us from achieving what he wants.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:04:29am

re: #216 Amory Blaine

I get real personal when I debate conservatives in person, with good reason.
I’ve never had children out of wedlock
I’ve been with my wife over 20 years
I’ve never divorced
I have held a job since I was 16 meaning I’ve never been one week in my adult life where I wasn’t working for a paycheck (32 years).
I own a home
I fully fund my retirement
I self paid through college (also was a paid intern)
I was an altar boy (I know, I know)
I’ve never been arrested
So poor the day I started high school I was living in a car with my sibs and mother

(I’m trying not to brag because to me it’s been just the way I live, good luck and bad)

None of the “conservatives” I have ever had the displeasure to know or meet can meet these incredibly high standard and when confronted with their own personal weaknesses, they fold like a cheap tent.

“Yeah I don’t know how you can call yourself conservative when you don’t pay your child support and call the mother(s)of your child(ren) a ****” or whatever.
I may be a smug asshole. I don’t care. Consider the target, then destroy it.

Yep I hate the smug “We’re more moral people than you crap” by conservatives.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:05:56am

Actually I’m sick right now and have to fly down to Florida tomorrow to meet my wife who is staying at her friends house. I think her friends are confederates or at least KKKurious. I don’t know how this is going to go, but I told my wife if I’m pushed, I will destroy this relationship. I have no patience for conservative nonsense anymore but she still wants me to come and if they layoff with their stupid views we may get through this. I just hate that I am wasting vacation time for this. But I love my sweetie and I’ll give it a try. Serenity now.

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freetoken  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:08:31am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

The more I think about these things, the more I wonder about how our society is shaped by our experiences as youth.

Consider schooling. Mandatory now through at least 10th grade in most states, I believe.

For many people I think the experience is not a pleasant one. For many, a school is just a fancy babysitter. Parents drop off children who get herded into groups overseen by an authority figure.

How many students learn how to resent in this situation?

Those who don’t do well academically may resent those who get rewarded openly for good scores.

Those who are social outcasts already learn to resent the highly popular kids.

Students learn to resent teachers because the latter are poor substitutes for real parents, in many cases (though there will be those unfortunate students whose home life is so bad that a thoughtful teacher may be just what they need to rescue them.)

And so on.

The anti-intellectualism that underscores Trumpism is, I propose, of a type of resentment that has grown out of this.

Some have tried to make hay about voters in rural districts voting for Trump because they feel resentful about being left out.

Well, yes, in some ways Rural America has been left out. Many of us moved to the big city exactly to escape from being the middle of nowhere.

But this is not a new thing.

Long have people moved to high-population areas, because “opportunities” is just a fancy word for saying “more people.”

I don’t know what comes next after Trump. I don’t know how long he will stay in office.

But I do know that many Americans are having a hard time adapting to the 21st century, and not only is Trump not going to help them, in the end he’s hurting them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:10:05am

re: #213 freetoken

Besides being black, Obama is well educated. To this day I find coming across my Facebook wall the most unfounded reactions to anything having to do with Obama. Many not-well-educated white folk are doubly bothered by Obama. It’s not just that he is black, but that he is smart. Very smart, and very well educated.

They resented that deeply.

This one one of the things that ended any association I had with Conservatism. According to the Conservative American Dream, anyone who works hard enough, regardless of their racial, ethnic or social background, can rise to the highest levels of government, business or society.

So here we have a fellow from a non-privileged background who worked and studied hard to become editor of the Harvard law Review, a US Senator and eventually President.

Instead of presenting that as an affirmation of what America is supposed to be about , all we heard about was how he was a coddled affirmative action baby, a Muslim usurper, not even a legal President.

Because doing so would have meant acknowledging his accomplishments, however grudgingly, and that was just more than these people could do. McCain tried to call him an “honorable man” at a Tea party town hall meeting and got shouted down.

And nobody dared to try that again, ever.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:10:50am

In the end what separates a liberal from even the most mild mannered and easy going conservative is the big E of empathy. Shapiro loves saying your feelings don’t matter, facts do but your interpretation of facts is illustrated by your feelings. I’m ASD, fact but that also means I’m more sensitive to bullying since I’ve experienced it more. Knowing about some of the nativism my family experienced likewise makes me sympathetic to immigrants. Obama got crap for the judges with empathy comments but he was correct.

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:13:06am

re: #213 freetoken

I’ve done quite a bit of genealogy, and as such have had to scrounge around America’s past, right back to Jamestown.

What I think is underappreciated by many is how much society has changed, and in particular the incredible dynamics of technological changes in the 19th and 20th century.

We are living in a different world than the “founding fathers.”

This is not spoken about enough by our leaders. I think too many politicians are afraid to go into depth about these topics (well, few are probably equipped to do so.)

Besides being black, Obama is well educated. To this day I find coming across my Facebook wall the most unfounded reactions to anything having to do with Obama. Many not-well-educated white folk are doubly bothered by Obama. It’s not just that he is black, but that he is smart. Very smart, and very well educated.

They resented that deeply.

Trump’s speech is readily accessible to people who are not able to follow the elite-educated speech of say Obama.

I’m trying to not claim that Trump supporters are “stupid” because I believe that people, if they are willing, can learn just about anything.

It is a lot of work, though.

And as we grow older we become less flexible in thinking new thoughts.

So Trump plays on mindsets well-baked-in, so people don’t have to think, just feel (usually hatred for brown people.)

Good points. A lot of people have indeed been left behind. And many fear for the future.

And very true that the idea of an other, such as Barack Obama, being so amazingly excellent and successful was probably quite disorienting. For their plight, I do have sympathy, for the nasty responses, though, I have no sympathy.

And yes, the large baby boomer cohort is aging out rapidly. (I am one.) And probably becoming much less flexible. I believe that Reagan and his reactionaries were elected as the large Depression era babies aged out.

Speaking of regrets and past decisions… The music list of 1970’s songs I am listening is playing Harry Chapin’s ‘Taxi’.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:15:15am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This one one of the things that ended any association I had with Conservatism. According to the Conservative American Dream, anyone who works hard enough, regardless of their racial, ethnic or social background, can rise to the highest levels of government, business or society.

So here we have a fellow from a non-privileged background who worked and studied hard to become editor of the Harvard law Review, a US Senator and eventually President.

Instead of presenting that as an affirmation of what America is supposed to be about , all we heard about was how he was a coddled affirmative action baby, a Muslim usurper, not even a legal President.

Because doing so would have meant acknowledging his accomplishments, however grudgingly, and that was just more than these people could do. McCain tried to call him an “honorable man” at a Tea party town hall meeting and got shouted down.

And nobody dared to try that again, ever.

Minor nitpick, it was a campaign rally not a TP rally but you are correct. They couldn’t even acknowledge Obama’s success as a man. He became a mere community organizer and they acted like his academic accomplishments were just because of being black. Michelle honestly is even more impressive. She’s from a more modest background and both her and her brother went to Princeton. White conservatives just couldn’t and still can’t see why black Americans especially those who couldn’t afford college themselves are genuinely proud of that family.

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:16:32am

re: #220 Amory Blaine

Actually I’m sick right now and have to fly down to Florida tomorrow to meet my wife who is staying at her friends house. I think her friends are confederates or at least KKKurious. I don’t know how this is going to go, but I told my wife if I’m pushed, I will destroy this relationship. I have no patience for conservative nonsense anymore but she still wants me to come and if they layoff with their stupid views we may get through this. I just hate that I am wasting vacation time for this. But I love my sweetie and I’ll give it a try. Serenity now.

Sorry to hear about the cold. My brother just got back from Mexico with his wife. He came down with the flu the day before his vacation. And is probably just now starting to feel better. As he returns to work.

And yes, I am also currently evaluating each republican acquaintance on whether they are worth the trouble. And to what degree.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:19:22am

I see the lack of empathy totally on the gun issue. Okay you grew up in a rural area with little gun violence but can’t you understand why a city dweller who has actually known victims of gun violence may not feel the same way about them. David Hogg and the Parkland kids did a smart thing visiting a DC school and asking how many of them knew someone who had been shot. Lot of hands went up. Conservatives accuse us of white or wealth guilt. I don’t see it as guilt. I see it as awareness on my part I grew up well off. And that’s far better than what I’ll call conservative blindness.

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ckkatz  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:22:10am

Well, it’s getting to be that time. A few more thoughts and then off to bed:

“Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone.”
― Anthony Burgess

“Never go to bed mad. Stay up and fight.”
― Phyllis Diller

“Some people talk in their sleep. Lecturers talk while other people sleep”
― Albert Camus

“There is a time for many words, and there is also a time for sleep.”
― Homer, The Odyssey

Good Night all!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:22:41am

Night all.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:22:55am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Yes. Lack of empathy.

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Lupin  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:25:11am

I think Trump is the logical end-product of American society, just as much as Hitler was the result of the many failings of the German (but also French and British) politics of the post WWI era.

In 1831, Tocqueville had already commented on the “vulgarity and mediocrity” of American politics noting that the low tone started at the top (in his case, after meeting Andrew Jackson).

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Amory Blaine  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:27:00am

I just finished Flaked on Netflix. Nice little comedy.

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Kragar  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:34:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:55:36am

re: #231 Lupin

I think Trump is the logical end-product of American society, just as much as Hitler was the result of the many failings of the German (but also French and British) politics of the post WWI era.

In 1831, Tocqueville had already commented on the “vulgarity and mediocrity” of American politics noting that the low tone started at the top (in his case, after meeting Andrew Jackson).

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product of two things:

an electorate that felt alienated and fed up with politicians and politics as usual

a GOP that was willing to make a deal with the devil to get those people to vote for them

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freetoken  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:56:09am

Elephants showing up at the hippo’s watering hole:

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freetoken  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:58:44am

The other camera has them:

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Lupin  Apr 5, 2018 • 12:59:32am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

product of two things:

an electorate that felt alienated and fed up with politicians and politics as usual

a GOP that was willing to make a deal with the devil to get those people to vote for them

Yes but that’s a superficial explanation, with all due respect. The roots of the current ills are to be found in the US Civil War or rather the fact that there was no “desouthernizing” the South afterward. In effect, the US is undergoing a Cold Civil War right now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 1:27:15am

re: #237 Lupin

Yes but that’s a superficial explanation, with all due respect. The roots of the current ills are to be found in the US Civil War or rather the fact that there was no “desouthernizing” the South afterward. In effect, the US is undergoing a Cold Civil War right now.

There are a lot of reasons that people are fed up with politics and politicians.

There are a lot of reasons that so many people are poorly educated with a limited grasp of civics and our own Constitution.

And yes, there are a lot of people who still insist that the Civil War was all about tariffs and States’ rights and had little or nothing to do with slavery and more to do with Northern Aggression.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 5, 2018 • 2:59:54am

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

Except he’s a hypocrite and his point is whatever he needs it to be in the moment. Being a 50 State party starts with not dismissing Democratic primary voters in the deep south simply because they voted against him, with not saying that since those States can’t be won in the general so they shouldn’t count. Also it’s racist as fuck, Bernie lost the Southern States because he overwhelmingly lost black voters. You’ll notice that Bernie never made the same claims about overwhelmingly white Republican States like Idaho whose primaries he won.

Idaho Dems use the Caucus system. Idaho Repubs use the closed Primary system.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 3:14:12am

re: #239 Bubblehead II

Idaho Dems use the Caucus system. Idaho Repubs use the closed Primary system.

We keep overlooking that he was not even a Democrat. He represented an outside takeover of a party, not unlike what Trump represented as well. Trump was a GOP supporter but had no background in public office and was using the GOP as a platform to promote his own interests just as Bernie was with the Democrats.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 5, 2018 • 3:36:30am

re: #240 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We keep overlooking that he was not even a Democrat. He represented an outside takeover of a party, not unlike what Trump represented as well. Trump was a GOP supporter but had no background in public office and was using the GOP as a platform to promote his own interests just as Bernie was with the Democrats.

Yep. I caucused for Hilary. I strongly suspect that there was a lot of GOP rat fucking for bernie during the Dem caucuses. Wish we would go to a closed Primary so that would be stopped or at least mitigated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 3:49:09am

re: #241 Bubblehead II

Yep. I caucused for Hilary. I strongly suspect that there was a lot of GOP rat fucking for bernie during the Dem caucuses. Wish we would go to a closed Primary so that would be stopped or at least mitigated.

I really wonder how many Berniebots were GOP ratfuckers…a lot more than anybody would like to let on, I am sure…

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Bubblehead II  Apr 5, 2018 • 3:52:38am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really wonder how many Berniebots were GOP ratfuckers…a lot more than anybody would like to let on, I am sure…

Not to mention all the Russian trolls and bots. But bernie will never acknowledge that either.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 5, 2018 • 3:59:29am

BBIAW. Meat world thing to attend to.

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nowherenorth2  Apr 5, 2018 • 5:00:22am

Time for ridicule and mockery ae CNN finally vstchrs up with the rest of the world even for a hot min.
cnn.com

What a joke

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Dave In Austin  Apr 5, 2018 • 5:21:36am

Good morning.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 5:43:58am

Morning!

So, Mark Zuckerberg is more or less admitting that all US Facebook users had their data used by Cambridge Analytica.

But he said it is his creation and his mistake so he is responsible for the problem.

It will be interesting to see how he gets through this and what he will do to protect the data. He is going to get absolutely hammered by Congress next week. The Democrats are going to be blaming him and the Republicans will try to use him as an excuse for the elections issues but will press him to say it had no bearing.

I think the larger question is can they actually prevent people from using it if that is what many think is his actual business: a huge database that can be used for marketing, social studies, advertising…and of course elections?

Also, will there be a mass exodus of users and if enough people bail, does that skew his data as it may now not represent a true cross section and some people will not give proper info so as not to be followed.

And since I am on social media, how much of an idiot do you have to be have a run-in with Columbus police, then get on Facebook and Twitter and threaten one cop online with your posts?

Well, it lead to his arrest, big surprise there. He was arrested Tuesday and will be arraigned this morning.

Man arrested for posting threats online against Columbus police officer

The Columbus Division of Police has arrested a 20-year-old man for allegedly making threats against an officer online.

Police say Cederic Cooley made threats on Twitter and Facebook on April 1 and 2 to do serious bodily harm to a Columbus police officer.

The threats were originally discovered by an analyst from the New York City Intelligence Unit and sent to Columbus police.

Cooley was arrested without incident on April 3.

Police said the officer had recent law enforcement encounters with this suspect and wrote multiple criminal charges against Cooley for violations during those encounters.

“This investigation has determined that Cederic Cooley intended to seriously harm the officer for discharging his lawful duties,” police said.

Proof having online access does not help with one’s intelligence. Something we have learned about one Donald Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 5:45:13am

re: #247 ObserverArt

Morning!

So, Mark Zuckerberg is more or less admitting that all US Facebook users had their data used by Cambridge Analytica.

I post nothing on Facebook that I would not say out loud in a public place, because it is basically about the same thing.

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MsJ  Apr 5, 2018 • 5:52:13am

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

I see Trump’s transition to Chris Christie is almost complete.

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jeffreyw  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:00:58am

Imgur


Good morning!

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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:10:59am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

How’d that work out for Waco’s Branch Davidians? All those guns were no match for the feds.

How’d that work for MOVE in Philly? The Philly PD dropped a goddamned bomb on them.

It’s a delusional fantasy to think that your guns will deter or dissuade the government from coming after you.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:14:34am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I post nothing on Facebook that I would not say out loud in a public place, because it is basically about the same thing.

Yep, but, if you ever opened Facebook on your phone, and especially if you installed the app, Facebook could have used it to look at your contacts, record your calls, and then gone to your friends on facebook and did the same thing with them.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:14:34am

re: #251 lawhawk

How’d that work out for Waco’s Branch Davidians? All those guns were no match for the feds.

How’d that work for MOVE in Philly? The Philly PD dropped a goddamned bomb on them.

It’s a delusional fantasy to think that your guns will deter or dissuade the government from coming after you.

Based on the historical record, armed “resistance” to the government has simply been met with greater force than a simple arrest. Just the worry about being shot on sight upgrades the response from beat cops to SWAT automatically. And things only escalate from there depending upon the level of force threatened.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:16:12am

re: #251 lawhawk

How’d that work out for Waco’s Branch Davidians? All those guns were no match for the feds.

How’d that work for MOVE in Philly? The Philly PD dropped a goddamned bomb on them.

It’s a delusional fantasy to think that your guns will deter or dissuade the government from coming after you.

Yeahbutt…you’ll get smoked as a true patriot!

And you will go down in family history and be remembered for a day by other true patriots online.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:17:55am

re: #252 Belafon

Yep, but, if you ever opened Facebook on your phone, and especially if you installed the app, Facebook could have used it to look at your contacts, record your calls, and then gone to your friends on facebook and did the same thing with them.

Could have or did? Sounds to me they are admitting they did. Details will most likely be coming out in that Zuckerberg Congressional interview.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:19:03am
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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:19:22am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Yeahbutt…you’ll get smoked as a true patriot!

And you will go down in family history and be remembered for a day by other true patriots online.

Couch commandos take heart. The chairborne rangers have lost another one of the faithful because they actually believed their own BS. /

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:19:36am

re: #252 Belafon

Yep, but, if you ever opened Facebook on your phone, and especially if you installed the app, Facebook could have used it to look at your contacts, record your calls, and then gone to your friends on facebook and did the same thing with them.

I do not run any FB apps or play games or take quizzes or anything of the like. And I own a stupid phone that I only use for calls and SMS.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:20:09am

LOL THIS GUY==>

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:20:58am

re: #256 Targetpractice

Neo-Nazi website Stormfront close to shutting down as founder’s wife tires of paying hate site’s bills

pussy whipped Nazis

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:22:38am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

LOL THIS GUY==>

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Conservatism is associated with corruption, crony capitalism, and law-breaking. We already knew that, Rand, now sit down.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:26:31am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

LOL THIS GUY==>

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As a true Libertarian you are free to go swim in a toxic lake or breathe polluted air and get asthma or worse.

Ain’t true freedom grand?! Who needs these drastic restrictions on that freedom?

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Dave In Austin  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:31:56am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:35:11am

And Gerk..
I Hate Me Some Bern…..

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:42:19am

re: #262 ObserverArt

As a true Libertarian you are free to go swim in a toxic lake or breathe polluted air and get asthma or worse.

Ain’t true freedom grand?! Who needs these drastic restrictions on that freedom?

Or choose not to breathe if you object to breathing polluted air. Freedumb!

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:45:47am

re: #264 Dave In Austin

And Gerk..
I Hate Me Some Bern…..

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To paraphrase the old saying, Bernie thinks he’s bigger than Dr. King. That what POC want is an old white guy whose record on civil rights meanders like a drunken figure skater standing up on the stump and shitting on the first black president and that the party that has looked out for their interests for decades needs to start worrying about white people again if it wants to win in the South.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:46:17am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

LOL THIS GUY==>

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Nothing brave about Pruitt.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:48:56am

re: #266 Targetpractice

To paraphrase the old saying, Bernie thinks he’s bigger than Dr. King. That what POC want is an old white guy whose record on civil rights meanders like a drunken figure skater standing up on the stump and shitting on the first black president and that the party that has looked out for their interests for decades needs to start worrying about white people again if it wants to win in the South.

He just dismissed the past fifteen years of the Dems as a failure and said that Obama’s charisma was the only thing that got him elected. I’m so sick of his lying bullshit. He represents one of the most white states in the Union and man it shows with how tone deaf he is about PoC especially African Americans.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:49:36am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:51:09am

re: #249 MsJ

I see Trump’s transition to Chris Christie is almost complete.

You mean Trump now speaks in coherent sentences and displays an in depth knowledge of issues?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:53:14am

re: #249 MsJ

I see Trump’s transition to Chris Christie is almost complete.

Dolt 45 just needs to keep following the Fat Boys diet!

The Fat Boys Are Back

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Dave In Austin  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:54:14am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:56:44am
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 6:58:53am

re: #269 Joe Bacon 🌹

.@EPAScottPruitt is likely the bravest and most conservative member of Trump’s cabinet. We need him to help @realDonaldTrump drain the regulatory swamp.

josephebacon 🌹
@josephebacon
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This is why the GOP will never impeach Trump, even though he has proved himself to be treasonous trash: he is implementing everything they love. They may not all fully support Putin but that’s a small price to pay when they can destroy the environment, enrich the wealthy, deprive millions of health care, eliminate women’s rights, and disenfranchise anyone who disagrees with them

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:02:55am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

He just dismissed the past fifteen years of the Dems as a failure and said that Obama’s charisma was the only thing that got him elected. I’m so sick of his lying bullshit. He represents one of the most white states in the Union and man it shows with how tone deaf he is about PoC especially African Americans.

Bernie fears a blue wave and is doing his bit to damage the Democratic party.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:04:17am

re: #275 Hecuba’s daughter

Bernie fears a blue wave and is doing his bit to damage the Democratic party.

Yep the Democratic Party being successful hurts him and his message that we need him to save us.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:04:23am

Troops on the border is a sideshow, something to assuage the angry Trumpers who felt “betrayed” by the GOP’s decision not to force a government shutdown to secure funding for the Great Wall of Trump. Instead they’re effectively endorsing the raiding of DoD funds for an election year stunt that will mean the NG has fewer funds later this year when there is (inevitably) some form of natural disaster that requires their mobilization. The party of “fiscal responsibility” is so scared of huge losses this fall that they’re burning millions on a publicity stunt.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:06:06am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

LOL THIS GUY==>

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Pruitt is the poster boy for government corruption and waste. Of course principled Rand Paul would support him.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:06:11am

You know and I hope Beto O’Rourke brings this up when he runs against Cruz but cities like El Paso are among the safest in the US. Trump and other right wing politicians love to act like the border is one of the most violent parts of the country. The candidate I’m supporting here in VA-10, Lindsay Davis-Stover brought that up when I heard her speak.

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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:12:02am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

You’re more likely to be shot to death in Alaska than in every other state. Gun death rate in Alaska is worst in the nation. It’s followed by Alabama.

cdc.gov

Strong gun law states have lower per capita death rates (even if the total number killed is higher - because more people live in California than do in Alaska).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:15:04am

re: #280 lawhawk

You’re more likely to be shot to death in Alaska than in every other state. Gun death rate in Alaska is worst in the nation. It’s followed by Alabama.

cdc.gov

Strong gun law states have lower per capita death rates (even if the total number killed is higher - because more people live in California than do in Alaska).

Yep all the bitching about Chicago they do, Indianapolis has a higher gun death rate than Chicago but ya don’t see that on right wing memes. Gee wonder why.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:16:32am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Yep the Democratic Party being successful hurts him and his message that we need him to save us.

The major wins of recent months have been a huge boost to the argument that what the DNC needs is not to appeal to the far-left, but to boost support among POC and younger voters. If anything, those victories are evidence that the constant Berner refrain that being anti-Trump is “not a winning strategy” is losing a lot of weight as a genuine argument. The biggest motivator right now is not promises of minimum wage hikes or free college, it’s stopping the damage being done so that we might reverse it after 2020.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:19:17am

re: #282 Targetpractice

The major wins of recent months have been a huge boost to the argument that what the DNC needs is not to appeal to the far-left, but to boost support among POC and younger voters. If anything, those victories are evidence that the constant Berner refrain that being anti-Trump is “not a winning strategy” is losing a lot of weight as a genuine argument. The biggest motivator right now is not promises of minimum wage hikes or free college, it’s stopping the damage being done so that we might reverse it after 2020.

His problem is he thinks the WWC is magically going to return to the Democratic fold. He ignores that group left our base because it didn’t like that we supported PoC. If Sanders saw beyond economics for a change, he’d get that.

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danarchy  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:20:23am

re: #280 lawhawk

You’re more likely to be shot to death in Alaska than in every other state. Gun death rate in Alaska is worst in the nation. It’s followed by Alabama.

cdc.gov

Strong gun law states have lower per capita death rates (even if the total number killed is higher - because more people live in California than do in Alaska).

But really only if you shoot yourself…

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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:21:44am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

Chicago is picked because:
1) Obama lived there
2) Hillary is from there
3) high minority population

Why Chicago epitomizes everything wrong with right wing claims about gun violence and gun control.

Chicago (and Illinois) is surrounded by states with lax gun laws allowing guns to flow into the state despite strong gun laws in Illinois and Chicago.

Illinois has a lower per capita gun death rate than Missouri, Indiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee.

What’s interesting from the map is that there’s some correlation with strong gun law states benefit from having other strong gun law states bordering it - reinforcing the gun laws and reducing the flow of guns into those states.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:22:23am

re: #284 danarchy

But really only if you shoot yourself…

Well I’d argue that self-imposed gun violence is part of the whole problem.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:23:13am

re: #285 lawhawk

Chicago is picked because:
1) Obama lived there
2) Hillary is from there
3) high minority population

Why Chicago epitomizes everything wrong with right wing claims about gun violence and gun control.

Chicago (and Illinois) is surrounded by states with lax gun laws allowing guns to flow into the state despite strong gun laws in Illinois and Chicago.

Illinois has a lower per capita gun death rate than Missouri, Indiana, Kentucky, and Tennessee.

What’s interesting from the map is that there’s some correlation with strong gun law states benefit from having other strong gun law states bordering it - reinforcing the gun laws and reducing the flow of guns into those states.

Oh I know why they go with Chicago. You make a great point about surrounding states. It’s why I think say Boston and NYC don’t have high amounts of gun violence.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:24:40am

My belief is that our states and cities aren’t vaccums. Going but but Chicago ignores Chicago’s close proximity to Indiana where gun laws definitely aren’t strict. They’re using the fact that the shooter in San Bruno did so in a strict gun state in a place of business with anti-gun laws. Ignores that she wasn’t able to kill anyone though but herself.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:26:06am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

He just dismissed the past fifteen years of the Dems as a failure and said that Obama’s charisma was the only thing that got him elected. I’m so sick of his lying bullshit. He represents one of the most white states in the Union and man it shows with how tone deaf he is about PoC especially African Americans.

I’m sick of him. That BS yesterday was the last straw.

Sure he was invited, though I don’t know why, and it causes me concern about the Mayor down there. He had to know Bernie’s tendencies.

But he certainly could have chosen a different tact in his speech.

That was some patently stupid politics and shows he has no political savvy. He is a one-note singer and yesterday he was flat.

And if he thinks that would gain him some votes from Blacks in the south he is deluded.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:31:43am

re: #277 Targetpractice

Troops on the border is a sideshow, something to assuage the angry Trumpers who felt “betrayed” by the GOP’s decision not to force a government shutdown to secure funding for the Great Wall of Trump. Instead they’re effectively endorsing the raiding of DoD funds for an election year stunt that will mean the NG has fewer funds later this year when there is (inevitably) some form of natural disaster that requires their mobilization. The party of “fiscal responsibility” is so scared of huge losses this fall that they’re burning millions on a publicity stunt.

He may be sending out the troops to protect himself by steeling his base because of the announcement he is being officially investigated by Mueller. He’s playing to them at the cost to all of us and to those poor ANG guys who have to take time away from work and family.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:32:20am

re: #289 ObserverArt

I’m sick of him. That BS yesterday was the last straw.

Sure he was invited, though I don’t know why, and it causes me concern about the Mayor down there. He had to know Bernie’s tendencies.

But he certainly could have chosen a different tact in his speech.

That was some patently stupid politics and shows he has no political savvy. He is a one-note singer and yesterday he was flat.

And if he thinks that would gain him some votes from Blacks in the south he is deluded.

Not to worry, he’ll have Shaun King and Cornell West out there in 2020, telling black folks that if they’re not supporting the old white guy in the race against Cory Booker, then they’re ignorant and stuck on the “Dem plantation.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:33:05am

re: #291 Targetpractice

Not to worry, he’ll have Shaun King and Cornell West out there in 2020, telling black folks that if they’re not supporting the old white guy in the race against Cory Booker, then they’re ignorant and stuck on the “Dem plantation.”

Or Kamala Harris.

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danarchy  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:33:08am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Well I’d argue that self-imposed gun violence is part of the whole problem.

absolutely, but I would argue phrasing it as:

You’re more likely to be shot to death in Alaska than in every other state.

Kind of implies an outside agency would be doing the shooting.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:34:38am

re: #289 ObserverArt

I’m sick of him. That BS yesterday was the last straw.

Sure he was invited, though I don’t know why, and it causes me concern about the Mayor down there. He had to know Bernie’s tendencies.

But he certainly could have chosen a different tact in his speech.

That was some patently stupid politics and shows he has no political savvy. He is a one-note singer and yesterday he was flat.

And if he thinks that would gain him some votes from Blacks in the south he is deluded.

Current mayor of Jackson was endorsed by Our Revolution. Here’s the thing about Sanders. He just doesn’t get it. Even if we do get his goal for education, the question is going to be and still is, how to we get good jobs for people with college educations.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:34:41am

re: #291 Targetpractice

Not to worry, he’ll have Shaun King and Cornell West out there in 2020, telling black folks that if they’re not supporting the old white guy in the race against Cory Booker, then they’re ignorant and stuck on the “Dem plantation.”

I still believe that Bernie is doing Putin’s bidding.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:35:10am

re: #293 danarchy

absolutely, but I would argue phrasing it as:

Kind of implies an outside agency would be doing the shooting.

Oh definitely.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:36:51am

re: #290 ObserverArt

He may be sending out the troops to protect himself by steeling his base because of the announcement he is being officially investigated by Mueller. He’s playing to them at the cost to all of us and to those poor ANG guys who have to take time away from work and family.

The law says you can’t be fired if you’re called up, but it doesn’t bar your boss from hiring a “temporary replacement” that stays on after you’ve been “let go” upon returning to your place of employment.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:38:21am

My problem with Sanders is he wants to associate himself with the Democratic Party during good times but he’ll be the first to trash them in tough times if he thinks it will help him. Yes, he’s a politician but his whole big thing is he’s not supposed to be a typical politician. I’ve been trying to explain like hell to explain to my youngest brother who has a bit of Bernie Bro in him why I think the Democratic Party nominee should in fact be a Democrat and he’s giving me some crap about how I want “elites to run the country” because the two party system pretty much ensures that you have to be a Dem or a Republican and honestly I get that point but I see nothing wrong with wanting a Democrat to well represent the Democratic Party. He’s tough to budge on this though because he hates party politics. Smart and good kid but I think he honestly doesn’t understand why parties exist and need to.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:39:19am

re: #295 Hecuba’s daughter

I still believe that Bernie is doing Putin’s bidding.

I disagreed with you in the past but him casting that vote on the sanctions and then his subsequent excuse had me suspicious. Plus Devine has extensive connections with Manafort too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:41:53am

I happen to think affordable tutition is a great goal but unlike Sanders, I don’t think it’s the only goal in education. Sanders unfortunately is a lot like Trump in that he promises easy answers for complex issues. Now I think he does care about making the country a better place, I won’t begrudge him that at all but I really think he lacks vision beyond a very simplistic approach which troubles me from someone who has been in Washington since 1990.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:43:23am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

My problem with Sanders is he wants to associate himself with the Democratic Party during good times but he’ll be the first to trash them in tough times if he thinks it will help him. Yes, he’s a politician but his whole big thing is he’s not supposed to be a typical politician. I’ve been trying to explain like hell to explain to my youngest brother who has a bit of Bernie Bro in him why I think the Democratic Party nominee should in fact be a Democrat and he’s giving me some crap about how I want “elites to run the country” because the two party system pretty much ensures that you have to be a Dem or a Republican and honestly I get that point but I see nothing wrong with wanting a Democrat to well represent the Democratic Party. He’s tough to budge on this though because he hates party politics. Smart and good kid but I think he honestly doesn’t understand why parties exist and need to.

It’s easy to understand: Bernie ran as a Dem because it was the only way he was going to get any facetime in 2016. A Green Party run would have meant competing against Jill Stein, with little national attention the near-guarantee that he’d lose anyway. And running as an independent would have meant no place in any debates, while the media would have tuned him out after the first rally or two. So he ran in the DNC’s primaries for no other reason than it was his best chance at winning a party’s nomination. I don’t doubt for a sec that, had he won against Hillary in 2016, he’d have then pulled his old trick of announcing he’d be running as an “Independent” in November and thus decapitating his only real rival for the Dem vote.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:47:33am

re: #301 Targetpractice

It’s easy to understand: Bernie ran as a Dem because it was the only way he was going to get any facetime in 2016. A Green Party run would have meant competing against Jill Stein, with little national attention the near-guarantee that he’d lose anyway. And running as an independent would have meant no place in any debates, while the media would have tuned him out after the first rally or two. So he ran in the DNC’s primaries for no other reason than it was his best chance at winning a party’s nomination. I don’t doubt for a sec that, had he won against Hillary in 2016, he’d have then pulled his old trick of announcing he’d be running as an “Independent” in November and thus decapitating his only real rival for the Dem vote.

Right and my brother doesn’t see anything wrong with that. He also believes the conspiracies about the DNC sabotaging Sanders at Clinton’s behest. I’ve given up any hope of changing his mind. He’s totally blind to why the DNC would favor its nominee not being someone who has trashed their party for political gain. Honestly, I think the way Sanders should be defeated is going after his record. Not just on guns but on immigration. In fact, I hope one of his rivals in 2020 brings up that Steve King praised his immigration record. His record on guns bothers me too but his record on immigration more so and it’s something our nominee can’t have.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:49:45am

Sanders rails against closed primaries but says nothing about caucuses. TBH I’d be fine with open primaries if the caucuses were ended. I still do prefer closed primaries given the choice but I’d hypothetically compromise on that since I find caucuses incredibly undemocratic. Even my other brother who supported Bernie found them very undemocratic when I explained them to him.

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gwangung  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:50:10am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really wonder how many Berniebots were GOP ratfuckers…a lot more than anybody would like to let on, I am sure…

A lot of Bernie supporters deny that this was a possibility.

Which, to me, is REALLY stupid. Nixon and his cronies actually DID do this. What makes people think that this couldn’t have happened again, now?

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mmmirele  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:50:52am

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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:50:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:51:20am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Sanders rails against closed primaries but says nothing about caucuses. TBH I’d be fine with open primaries if the caucuses were ended. I still do prefer closed primaries given the choice but I’d hypothetically compromise on that since I find caucuses incredibly undemocratic. Even my other brother who supported Bernie found them very undemocratic when I explained them to him.

Political parties are nonetheless private organizations and are free to set the rules for their nominating process as they see fit.

That is something that a lot of people overlooked when they ranted about the DNC in 2016.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:52:34am

re: #306 lawhawk

NEW: In 2016, millions of targeted swing-state voters saw fake tourism ads on @Facebook warning of coming “Islamic States of America” with Sharia Law & a burka-wearing Lady Liberty.

Thanks to @OpenSecretsDC, we now know $ secretly funded by Robert Mercer.

Remember LePen’s famous image of Strasbourg cathedral with crescent moons atop the spires?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:52:46am

re: #304 gwangung

A lot of Bernie supporters deny that this was a possibility.

Which, to me, is REALLY stupid. Nixon and his cronies actually DID do this. What makes people think that this couldn’t have happened again, now?

When you think you’re the purest of them all, thinking that ratfucking could happen goes out the window. They just refuse to see his faults as a candidate and person. How he acts to issues of importance of PoC really bothers me. Sorry Bernie but blaming Wall Street isn’t going to make people feel you’re going to help them when they fear deportation. And on Easter Sunday, when Trump was trashing Amazon, he went along with that ignoring Trump attacks on Amazon are cynical as hell and said nothing about the DREAMers. He rarely does.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:54:12am

re: #304 gwangung

A lot of Bernie supporters deny that this was a possibility.

Which, to me, is REALLY stupid. Nixon and his cronies actually DID do this. What makes people think that this couldn’t have happened again, now?

Idealists are terribly easy to deceive.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:54:23am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Sanders rails against closed primaries but says nothing about caucuses. TBH I’d be fine with open primaries if the caucuses were ended. I still do prefer closed primaries given the choice but I’d hypothetically compromise on that since I find caucuses incredibly undemocratic. Even my other brother who supported Bernie found them very undemocratic when I explained them to him.

Open primaries permit members of the other party to sabotage the results by selecting the candidate of your party. This is especially true if one party does not have any real contests.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:54:29am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Political parties are nonetheless private organizations and are free to set the rules for their nominating process as they see fit.

That is something that a lot of people overlooked when they ranted about the DNC in 2016.

That’s what I tried telling my brother but his counter was that he sees that DNC as a government entity which I think is wrong. I go back to one point though. If the DNC was so in the bag for HRC, why couldn’t they “rig” it for her against Obama in 2008. The fact is simple to me, Sanders doesn’t have a big enough coalition to win the nomination.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:55:11am

re: #311 Hecuba’s daughter

Open primaries permit members of the other party to sabotage the results by selecting the candidate of your party. This is especially true if one party does not have any real contests.

I know and that’s why I prefer closed. I’m just saying that I have a problem with caucuses too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:55:58am

re: #306 lawhawk

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Mercer and his daughter are worse than the Kochs.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:57:30am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Mercer and his daughter are worse than the Kochs.

At least the Kochs are not religious fanatics; their primary interest is in destroying the planet to improve their bottom line.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:57:35am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

That’s what I tried telling my brother but his counter was that he sees that DNC as a government entity which I think is wrong. I go back to one point though. If the DNC was so in the bag for HRC, why couldn’t they “rig” it for her against Obama in 2008. The fact is simple to me, Sanders doesn’t have a big enough coalition to win the nomination.

The DNC is like the NFL: it could simply pass a rule requiring athletes to stand for the National Anthem or face penalites…

But people also seem to think that FB and Twitter are some sort of government entities as well that cannot restrict “free speech”.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 7:58:07am

re: #315 Hecuba’s daughter

At least the Kochs are not religious fanatics; their primary interest is in destroying the planet to improve their bottom line.

With the Mercers, yeah you get the worst of both worlds.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:00:38am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The DNC is like the NFL: it could simply pass a rule requiring athletes to stand for the National Anthem or face penalites…

But people also seem to think that FB and Twitter are some sort of government entities as well that cannot restrict “free speech”.

That’s true. It’s like pulling teeth with him. Oh well. Could be worse. He could be right wing.

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makeitstop  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:01:09am

So Trump kinda called off the big border crisis this morning.

I expect that they’ll quietly announce that the National Guard won’t be heading south sometime later today.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:02:54am

re: #319 makeitstop

So Trump kinda called off the big border crisis this morning.

I expect that they’ll quietly announce that the National Guard won’t be heading south sometime later today.

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Did he just say border crossing are still at an unacceptable 46 year low.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:02:54am

re: #306 lawhawk

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And the easily manipulated rubes just wont care.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:03:52am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Did he just say border crossing are still at an unacceptable 46 year low.

Yes, he did. Now to be fair, I understand his intent - he’s trying to say it’s unacceptable that there are still illegal border crossings. The fact that he failed in saying it is just typical Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:05:28am

re: #322 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yes, he did. Now to be fair, I understand his intent - he’s trying to say it’s unacceptable that there are still illegal border crossings. The fact that he failed in saying it is just typical Trump.

Right. A great communicator he is not. Anyhow, I believe we should make it easier to immigrate legally. Wingnuts who say “Well why don’t they just immigrate legally” do not fucking get that just as they don’t get that getting naturalized isn’t as simple as they think either.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:06:05am
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Mike Lamb  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:06:17am

re: #319 makeitstop

So Trump kinda called off the big border crisis this morning.

I expect that they’ll quietly announce that the National Guard won’t be heading south sometime later today.

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That is a breathtaking word salad tossed together by Fuckface.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:08:55am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Right and my brother doesn’t see anything wrong with that. He also believes the conspiracies about the DNC sabotaging Sanders at Clinton’s behest. I’ve given up any hope of changing his mind. He’s totally blind to why the DNC would favor its nominee not being someone who has trashed their party for political gain. Honestly, I think the way Sanders should be defeated is going after his record. Not just on guns but on immigration. In fact, I hope one of his rivals in 2020 brings up that Steve King praised his immigration record. His record on guns bothers me too but his record on immigration more so and it’s something our nominee can’t have.

I gave up on trying to convince Berners of anything right around the time it became mathematically impossible for him to win the nomination via primary votes and they were babbling about how the reason for that was because the DNC had influenced primary voters via superdelegates pulling for Hillary early and thus they were a threat to the whole process. You know, at the same time they were entertaining conspiracies about how those same superdelegates were gonna break big for Bernie at the convention or else there would be a party-wide schism that would see half the party march over to the Green Party to create a “true” third party.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:09:03am

re: #322 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yes, he did. Now to be fair, I understand his intent - he’s trying to say it’s unacceptable that there are still illegal border crossings. The fact that he failed in saying it is just typical Trump.

I’m not going to be fair to him. He’s trying to cover for the fact that he looked like an idiot in ranting about immigration issues in light of very clear facts that border crossing are at historic lows. He’s a fucking imbecile.

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Semper Fi  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:11:42am

re: #319 makeitstop

So Trump kinda called off the big border crisis this morning.

I expect that they’ll quietly announce that the National Guard won’t be heading south sometime later today.

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I would have like to see a photo of the caravan. Shouldn’t have been hard to do from some overlooking hill as it’s easy to spot a long line of vehicles traveling single file. If our media showed such a pic I unfortunately missed it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:12:17am
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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:12:34am

re: #319 makeitstop

So Trump kinda called off the big border crisis this morning.

I expect that they’ll quietly announce that the National Guard won’t be heading south sometime later today.

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The obvious reality: The whole “putting troops on the border” is not turning out to be as popular or glamorous as Donny expected, so he’s engaged in his usual panicky decision-making by making up excuses for calling the whole thing off. The GOP got a couple days of looking “tough,” Donny got press for looking “tough,” and the media’s attention to the trade war has been diverted.

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makeitstop  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:13:20am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Did he just say border crossing are still at an unacceptable 46 year low.

He did, although he qualified it as ‘still unacceptable.’

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:14:41am

re: #326 Targetpractice

I gave up on trying to convince Berners of anything right around the time it became mathematically impossible for him to win the nomination via primary votes and they were babbling about how the reason for that was because the DNC had influenced primary voters via superdelegates pulling for Hillary early and thus they were a threat to the whole process. You know, at the same time they were entertaining conspiracies about how those same superdelegates were gonna break big for Bernie at the convention or else there would be a party-wide schism that would see half the party march over to the Green Party to create a “true” third party.

I think he like many Berners I have talked to just refuses to see that not everyone in the Democratic Party including the rank and file was enthralled with Bernie. I liked Bernie at first but the more I got to know him in the debates and ad wars, the less I liked him. The less impressed I was.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:14:49am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:15:04am

re: #331 makeitstop

He did, although he qualified it as ‘still unacceptable.’

True.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:16:30am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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What’s pathetic is the people who will be most negatively impacted by these trade policies are going to be some of his most strongest supporters. And knowing him, he’ll probably try to blame the otehr countries for that and he might get away with it because his xenophobia is what resonated with those voters even though they benefit from the international market place as much as anyone does in our economy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:18:23am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

No, he won’t blame other countries he’ll just blame democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:21:39am

re: #336 Eclectic Cyborg

No, he won’t blame other countries he’ll just blame democrats.

I think he’ll do both.

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gwangung  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:21:59am

re: #336 Eclectic Cyborg

No, he won’t blame other countries he’ll just blame democrats.

Exactly. Liberals and those “other” people…meaning POCs…and probably gays and women.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:24:57am

re: #306 lawhawk

This is what a lot of people don’t understand. This type of psychological warfare is designed to slide under their radar and yet trigger a response. Most people aren’t conditioned to properly handle this. That’s why this is insidious.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:25:26am

re: #338 gwangung

Exactly. Liberals and those “other” people…meaning POCs…and probably gays and women.

It’s his bread and butter.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:27:00am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

It’s his bread and butter.

It’s been working great in special elections so far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:29:43am

I demand a recount…turn the machines back on!…what are my appeal options???

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:30:29am

jeebus, what a moron…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:31:17am

Oh well, enough procrastinating.
Time to do my taxes

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:32:11am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, what a moron…

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Maybe you should focus on being President instead of whining about headlines, you overgrown piece of shit.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:32:12am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, what a moron…

Trump’s defying himself?!

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:33:59am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

I think he like many Berners I have talked to just refuses to see that not everyone in the Democratic Party including the rank and file was enthralled with Bernie. I liked Bernie at first but the more I got to know him in the debates and ad wars, the less I liked him. The less impressed I was.

I appreciated his presence early in the primaries, when he genuinely seemed to be running on the issues and wanting a dialogue on problems in this nation.

That ended with the server hack, when he suddenly decided to go “purity pony” and began attacking Hillary personally rather than contesting the race on the issues. I considered that a sign of class on her part that she tried to steer every attack her made against her back to the issue being debated.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:34:05am

re: #344 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh well, enough procrastinating.
Time to do my taxes

Ugh, I still have to do that too.

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MsJ  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:34:08am

Does Rachel have room on her board?

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:34:58am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, what a moron…

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Translation: “HOW DARE THEY NOT SHOW ME AS THE HERO IN MY OWN STORY?!”

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:38:20am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

What’s pathetic is the people who will be most negatively impacted by these trade policies are going to be some of his most strongest supporters. And knowing him, he’ll probably try to blame the otehr countries for that and he might get away with it because his xenophobia is what resonated with those voters even though they benefit from the international market place as much as anyone does in our economy.

What’s important is that he’s not getting away with it with the rest of the electorate. Trump remains the most unpopular first year President in the history of modern polling, and the GOP has been getting trounced in special elections.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:39:10am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:40:24am

re: #347 Targetpractice

I appreciated his presence early in the primaries, when he genuinely seemed to be running on the issues and wanting a dialogue on problems in this nation.

That ended with the server hack, when he suddenly decided to go “purity pony” and began attacking Hillary personally rather than contesting the race on the issues. I considered that a sign of class on her part that she tried to steer every attack her made against her back to the issue being debated.

My thoughts exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:40:41am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stalin would be proud.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:41:11am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:41:36am

re: #349 MsJ

Does Rachel have room on her board?

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Question I have is who replaces him?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:42:34am
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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:43:50am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“It’s so disrespectful that there are no pictures of the President and VP on the wall! He’s our president, he deserves our respect!”

“And if a Democrat had proposed such a bill…”

“BARRY WAS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN WHO NEVER LEGITIMATELY WON THOSE ELECTIONS AND THE ONLY PLACE THEY SHOULD PUT HIS PICTURES WAS IN A DUMPSTER!”

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:43:53am

re: #319 makeitstop

So Trump kinda called off the big border crisis this morning.

I expect that they’ll quietly announce that the National Guard won’t be heading south sometime later today.

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He is even bullshitting for the reason why he is calling it off. Everyone knows it was going to stop in Mexico.

Well that is everyone except Fox News and the pudpounders that follow that crap.

All bullshit all the time.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:44:21am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For fuck sake man, you’re a Senator. Talk like a Senator rather than Sean Hannity. Oh and maybe it’s because Pruitt is corrupt as fuck but you don’t care about that do ya, Mr. I think Lisa is the villain of the Simpsons.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:45:39am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Given the lack of such outpouring of “support” from Republicans before Shulkin was shitcanned, versus how they’re working so hard to present Pruitt as a champion of conservatism, lends all sorts of weight to the former’s accusations that he was fired over a refusal to privatize the VA.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:46:20am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:47:22am
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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:50:05am

re: #328 Semper Fi

I would have like to see a photo of the caravan. Shouldn’t have been hard to do from some overlooking hill as it’s easy to spot a long line of vehicles traveling single file. If our media showed such a pic I unfortunately missed it.

I saw them on TV. Just people looking for a better life and fair shake at getting it.

Here is a Google image link with bunch of images if you want to take a look,

Google - iImmigrant caravan in Mexico

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:51:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:52:34am
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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:53:02am

re: #330 Targetpractice

The obvious reality: The whole “putting troops on the border” is not turning out to be as popular or glamorous as Donny expected, so he’s engaged in his usual panicky decision-making by making up excuses for calling the whole thing off. The GOP got a couple days of looking “tough,” Donny got press for looking “tough,” and the media’s attention to the trade war has been diverted.

It is not a complete Trump backtrack until he blames Obama and the Democrats.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:55:30am

re: #364 ObserverArt

I saw them on TV. Just people looking for a better life and fair shake at getting it.

Here is a Google image link with bunch of images if you want to take a look,

Google - iImmigrant caravan in Mexico

And again, from the Cato Institute via Jen Rubin:

President Trump has ordered troops to the border to help the current number of 19,437 Border Patrol agents apprehend the roughly 1,000 Central American asylum seekers who are slowly making their way north (but probably won’t make it all the way to the border). There are currently about 19 Border Patrol agents for each Central American asylum-seeker in this caravan. In 2017, Border Patrol apprehended about 360,000 illegal immigrants or about 18 per Border Patrol agents over the entire year, which works out to one apprehension per Border Patrol agents every 20 days. By that measure, Border Patrol agents in 1954 individually apprehended an average of 53 times as many illegal immigrants as Border Patrol agents did in 2017. If the current caravan makes it to the United States border, it would add about a single day’s worth of apprehensions.

washingtonpost.com

It’s. All. Bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:57:38am

re: #368 BeachDem

And again, from the Cato Institute via Jen Rubin:

President Trump has ordered troops to the border to help the current number of 19,437 Border Patrol agents apprehend the roughly 1,000 Central American asylum seekers who are slowly making their way north (but probably won’t make it all the way to the border). There are currently about 19 Border Patrol agents for each Central American asylum-seeker in this caravan. In 2017, Border Patrol apprehended about 360,000 illegal immigrants or about 18 per Border Patrol agents over the entire year, which works out to one apprehension per Border Patrol agents every 20 days. By that measure, Border Patrol agents in 1954 individually apprehended an average of 53 times as many illegal immigrants as Border Patrol agents did in 2017. If the current caravan makes it to the United States border, it would add about a single day’s worth of apprehensions.

washingtonpost.com

It’s. All. Bullshit.

I don’t always agree with Cato but on immigration, they’re one of the good guys.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:59:03am

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And the felon who made it possible is currently a candidate to unseat Joe Manchin.

But the GOP really cares about coal miners.////////

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 8:59:46am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

I demand a recount…turn the machines back on!…what are my appeal options???

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gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

Yeah, I saw that. We look to get some here in Columbus too. It was pretty cold here this morning.

Also, the NWS added a fifth Tornado touchdown in Perry County in a little town called Thornville. That’s 5. So it really was a mini-outbreak.

Saw some local news images of the area of Grove City that was hit. It was more damaging than I had thought. Snapped power poles like twigs. Some of the people are out of electricity until Sunday. Local YMCA is setting up overnight stay for the folks.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:00:25am

re: #370 Targetpractice

And the felon who made it possible is currently a candidate to unseat Joe Manchin.

But the GOP really cares about coal miners.////////

Yep. Makes me sick as a descendant of miners that he’s not only not in jail but a candidate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:00:52am
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retired cynic  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:02:01am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

I demand a recount…turn the machines back on!…what are my appeal options???

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gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:03:07am

I just looked up and panicked to see white flakes, it is cherry blossoms from the neighbor’s tree floating down…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:03:40am

my surprise…

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:05:02am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A year ago, the conventional wisdom was that the GOP was set this year to expand their Senate majority because of the disparity between seats up for reelection. A year later, there’s serious talk that the GOP could lose their majority in November.

What was also conventional wisdom last year? That the “populism” that Trump represented was on an upswing, and that appealing to those voters would be the GOP’s key asset this year.

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MsJ  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:05:12am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good. Blackburn is, like all her republican brethren, an absolute unrepentant liar. The crap I have seen her spew on television infuriates me.

Sure, politicians lie…but usually about what they plan to do in order to get elected. Republicans have taken lying to a whole different level.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:07:45am

re: #374 retired cynic

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Dr. Matt  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:08:39am

CNN contributor Bakari Sellers: ‘Bernie 2020 died 4/4/18’

The Vermont independent dismissed former President Barack Obama as a charismatic lightweight during a speech in Jackson, Mississippi, on the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination.

“The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure,” Sanders said. “People sometimes don’t see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama. He was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant guy.”

Sanders blamed Obama for the Democratic Party’s record number of legislative losses, and Sellers said that attack on the first black U.S. president on that historically significant date should doom Sanders in Democratic primaries.

Bernie is as annoying to hear about as Sarah Palin. There, I said it…..

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:10:20am

re: #380 Dr. Matt

CNN contributor Bakari Sellers: ‘Bernie 2020 died 4/4/18’

Bernie is as annoying to hear about as Sarah Palin. There, I said it…..

I hope Bakari is right and yes I agree. His voice annoys me but his broken record message annoys me more.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:10:46am

Thread of photos

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gwangung  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:12:01am

re: #380 Dr. Matt

CNN contributor Bakari Sellers: ‘Bernie 2020 died 4/4/18’

Bernie is as annoying to hear about as Sarah Palin. There, I said it…..

Also, Sanders himself did not build a model worth emulating. He gave little or no help down ticket in 2016 and he backed very few winning candidates since then (mayyyyybe in the VA state legislature, but I think his organization did the heavy lifting and worked in coalition with others. THAT would be worth looking at, and not Sanders himself).

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:14:05am

re: #382 Stanley Sea

Thread of photos

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The “manly man” who has his steaks cooked to the consistency of shoe leather, has to be driven around in a golf cart because he can’t make it up a slight incline, and now won’t throw the first pitch because he’s afraid the ball won’t even make it to the plate.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:14:39am

You know what, I don’t want to hear how the Democratic Party has been a failure the past fifteen years from some guy who until two years ago never campaigned for anyone other than himself. I don’t want to hear it living in a state that replaced a guy who ran as a proud homophobe with a transwoman. Sanders just sits in his Vermont Ivory Tower and throws shit at the Democratic Party.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:14:40am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Another key factor in control of the Senate is whether or not John McCain, who hasn’t been in the Senate this year, can hold his seat until May 30. If not, a special election will be held for McCain’s seat this November, along with the regularly scheduled Senate election. If McCain does last past May 30, the next election for his seat won’t be until 2020.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:16:28am

re: #383 gwangung

Also, Sanders himself did not build a model worth emulating. He gave little or no help down ticket in 2016 and he backed very few winning candidates since then (mayyyyybe in the VA state legislature, but I think his organization did the heavy lifting and worked in coalition with others. THAT would be worth looking at, and not Sanders himself).

I think he just backed the self described Dem socialist that won. But yeah he himself was nowhere to be seen. Sanders and his supporters don’t get why HRC and Obama built good will. Tim Kaine has been friends with Obama since Obama as a freshman Senator went to our state to help get Kaine elected Governor here in 2005. Bernie? He goes to friendly places that tell him that he should have been the nominee. Sanders quite honestly is the most lazy progressive politician I’ve ever seen.

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plansbandc  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:16:34am

re: #382 Stanley Sea

To unite the country? Yeah, he’ll never ever do anything that could be construed as attempting to unite the country. That and I would be surprised if he’s ever thrown a baseball in his life.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:17:34am

re: #377 Targetpractice

A year ago, the conventional wisdom was that the GOP was set this year to expand their Senate majority because of the disparity between seats up for reelection. A year later, there’s serious talk that the GOP could lose their majority in November.

What was also conventional wisdom last year? That the “populism” that Trump represented was on an upswing, and that appealing to those voters would be the GOP’s key asset this year.

What matters is what happens in November (and early voters in October). Let’s not be premature in our victory laps — we have to fight hard for every vote.

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makeitstop  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:18:05am

re: #388 plansbandc

To unite the country? Yeah, he’ll never ever do anything that could be construed as attempting to unite the country. That and I would be surprised if he’s ever thrown a baseball in his life.

He was supposedly a hotshot baseball player in whatever school his old man shipped him off to. He used to brag about what a great athlete he was.

Probably bullshit, like everything else he says.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:18:17am

re: #382 Stanley Sea

Thread of photos

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They say it’s because he doesn’t want to be booed, but I think he just can’t throw a ball.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:18:25am

re: #383 gwangung

Also, Sanders himself did not build a model worth emulating. He gave little or no help down ticket in 2016 and he backed very few winning candidates since then (mayyyyybe in the VA state legislature, but I think his organization did the heavy lifting and worked in coalition with others. THAT would be worth looking at, and not Sanders himself).

Bernie would have had negative coattails had he won the nomination. His supporters would have still felt compelled by their “principles” to vote third party or abstain from voting for any down ticket candidates who did not match him in being “true progressives.”

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:19:29am

re: #378 MsJ

Good. Blackburn is, like all her republican brethren, an absolute unrepentant liar. The crap I have seen her spew on television infuriates me.

Sure, politicians lie…but usually about what they plan to do in order to get elected. Republicans have taken lying to a whole different level.

Not to mention that she’s dumb as a stump and absolutely horrible on all women’s issues.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:20:07am

re: #388 plansbandc

To unite the country? Yeah, he’ll never ever do anything that could be construed as attempting to unite the country. That and I would be surprised if he’s ever thrown a baseball in his life.

He’s played baseball. There are photos of him in uniform but I doubt he was any good.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:20:53am

re: #380 Dr. Matt

CNN contributor Bakari Sellers: ‘Bernie 2020 died 4/4/18’

Bernie is as annoying to hear about as Sarah Palin. There, I said it…..

And Bakari lives to fight another day! I do love me some Bakari.

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makeitstop  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:20:55am

He was on the baseball team, although he probably paid someone to bat and run for him.

I’ll note he has the same resting punk face as Junior.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:21:10am

re: #344 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh well, enough procrastinating.
Time to do my taxes

Annnnnnnnnd…
I’m done

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:21:21am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

I think he just backed the self described Dem socialist that won. But yeah he himself was nowhere to be seen. Sanders and his supporters don’t get why HRC and Obama built good will. Tim Kaine has been friends with Obama since Obama as a freshman Senator went to our state to help get Kaine elected Governor here in 2005. Bernie? He goes to friendly places that tell him that he should have been the nominee. Sanders quite honestly is the most lazy progressive politician I’ve ever seen.

Sounds like Trump — only visiting those friendly to him

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:21:33am

re: #392 Targetpractice

Bernie would have had negative coattails had he won the nomination. His supporters would have still felt compelled by their “principles” to vote third party or abstain from voting for any down ticket candidates who did not match him in being “true progressives.”

You know, my fear would be that Sanders would just be like Trump and issue a bunch of executive orders. Obama’s more conservative approach ensured long lasting change. It’s also why HRC would have been a better president for progressive causes than Sanders would be and I’m not even touching on the fact that he’s weak as fuck on immigration and guns.

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plansbandc  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:22:00am

re: #396 makeitstop

Look at that smarmy face. OK, he might have thrown a baseball. :D

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:22:53am

re: #400 plansbandc

Look at that smarmy face. OK, he might have thrown a baseball. :D

But that was over 50 years ago. Do you still think he could throw a ball today?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:22:58am

re: #398 Hecuba’s daughter

Sounds like Trump — only visiting those friendly to him

He’s more like Trump than he or his supporters care to admit. What troubles me about Bernie is how uninformed he comes off. He’s on his fifth President and his wife who is a huge part of his political team was telling his supporters to stop the nomination of Bolton for National Security Adviser. I mean I don’t want Bolton having that job either but uh Jane.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:24:52am

I remember the wingnuts mocking Obama’s first pitch. I mean it wasn’t the best first pitch I ever saw by a politician but it wasn’t Holy Shit bad. I can’t remember the last time a President hasn’t thrown out a first pitch. Then again this is the man who hates dogs too. So we have a President who hates dogs and baseball and they question our patriotism lol. Trump might as well declare his hatred for hot dogs and apple pie next. Though I prefer kielbasa to hot dogs.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:25:19am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

And he’s been in government for decades. Yet rails against the establishment. smh

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sagehen  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:26:42am

re: #290 ObserverArt

He may be sending out the troops to protect himself by steeling his base because of the announcement he is being officially investigated by Mueller. He’s playing to them at the cost to all of us and to those poor ANG guys who have to take time away from work and family.

Dystopian hypothesis:

Like the Berlin Wall, his border security isn’t to keep other people out. It’s to keep us in.

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:27:24am

re: #391 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They say it’s because he doesn’t want to be booed, but I think he just can’t throw a ball.

What would ever give you that idea??!!

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Dr. Matt  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:28:18am

re: #396 makeitstop

He was on the baseball team, although he probably paid someone to bat and run for him.

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I’ll note he has the same resting punk face as Junior.

The ball is nearly as big as his hand. Sad

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I cannot.  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:29:36am

re: #406 BeachDem

I have seizures. I’m pretty sure I’ve never made a face that fucked up even when going into a grand mal.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:31:20am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

He’s more like Trump than he or his supporters care to admit. What troubles me about Bernie is how uninformed he comes off. He’s on his fifth President and his wife who is a huge part of his political team was telling his supporters to stop the nomination of Bolton for National Security Adviser. I mean I don’t want Bolton having that job either but uh Jane.

A Bernie presidency would be the mirror of Trump’s to this point, with the potential for being even worse for the DNC. In that scenario, the DNC would presently be facing a very grim midterm, where they were carrying the weight of a failed presidency while deciding whether to run as opposed to Bernie or supportive of him.

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makeitstop  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:32:49am

re: #408 I cannot.

I have seizures. I’m pretty sure I’ve never made a face that fucked up even when going into a grand mal.

All he ever does is make fucked up faces. I’ve always been kind of repulsed at the fact that he always looks like he’s yelling or trying to pass a kidney stone in most photos.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:34:21am

re: #404 GlutenFreeJesus

And he’s been in government for decades. Yet rails against the establishment. smh

Yeah. He’s got so little accomplished. Meanwhile compare him with Biden. Off the top of my head, I can name Americans with Disabiliies Act, Violence Against Women as key legislation that Biden had a role in getting passed in Congress. Sanders is amazingly ineffective for someone who has been in D.C so long but yet we’re supposed to believe he’d be a good President?

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plansbandc  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:34:48am

re: #410 makeitstop

He’s totally repulsive in every way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:35:43am

re: #389 Hecuba’s daughter

What matters is what happens in November (and early voters in October). Let’s not be premature in our victory laps — we have to fight hard for every vote.

And DT has a lot of aces up his sleeves…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:36:38am

re: #412 plansbandc

He’s totally repulsive in every way.

I mean with Bush, I could find some things to like about him as a man outside of politics. Same thing with McCain. Romney I will concede was a challenge though Romney very much seems to be a family man even if a world class ass all else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:37:51am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

I mean with Bush, I could find some things to like about him as a man outside of politics. Same thing with McCain. Romney I will concede was a challenge though Romney very much seems to be a family man even if a world class ass all else.

They were all politicians with a record of public service. That sets them all apart from DT.

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Varek Raith  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:38:06am

Ah, Bernie.
What a twit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:38:53am

re: #408 I cannot.

I have seizures. I’m pretty sure I’ve never made a face that fucked up even when going into a grand mal.

I think I made a face like that, in my youth, when two guys and I lifted up and held the rear end of a 71 Roadrunner while another guy changed a tire.

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electrotek  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:39:02am

Can Bernie shut the fuck up already?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:39:34am

Here is another case of Fox News Short Term Memory Loss

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:40:04am

re: #415 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They were all politicians with a record of public service. That sets them all apart from DT.

Well there’s that but I’m talking about individual character traits. The older Bush, Dole, and McCain for example, I admire the hell out of the lifetime they had in public service and their war record. H.W. Bush was only 19 years old when he was a naval pilot and didn’t use the fact that he was the son of a corporate big shot to get him any favors. W Bush, as a baseball fan, I appreciate that I could probably have a good talk with him on baseball and I think W Bush was inclusive in his belief in the American dream for people of all racial, ethnic, and religious backgrounds.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:40:50am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

Here is another case of Fox News Short Term Memory Loss

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You work for the network that described them as giving terrorist fist bumps but yeah complain about Talk show hosts, Rachel, no wonder why you and your husband were on a joke of a reality show.

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electrotek  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:41:09am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

Here is another case of Fox News Short Term Memory Loss

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Says the idiot who was once on Real World San Francisco.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:41:50am

re: #422 electrotek

Says the idiot who was once on Real World San Francisco.

She’s a pathetic hack as is her husband.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:41:53am

re: #415 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They were all politicians with a record of public service. That sets them all apart from DT.

Not to mention none of them are known to have had extramarital affairs or divorced their wives unlike the current ass in the White House.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:41:55am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

I mean with Bush, I could find some things to like about him as a man outside of politics. Same thing with McCain. Romney I will concede was a challenge though Romney very much seems to be a family man even if a world class ass all else.

Willard was the stepping stone to the election of Donny, he was the first attempt by the wingnuts to spin a rich prick as a “man of the people.” What ultimately sets them apart is that Trump was already a celebrity when he ran, while Willard had to sell himself to the public.

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electrotek  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:42:37am

re: #423 HappyWarrior

She’s a pathetic hack as is her husband.

She was semi-decent on the show. You’d figure after mingling with Pedro she would have loosened up politically, but she continues to double-down on her conservatism.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:43:31am

re: #424 Bubblehead II

Not to mention none of them are known to have had extramarital affairs or divorced their wives unlike the current ass in the White House.

Well divorce is one thing. Like I don’t hold Reagan’s divorce from Jane Wyman against him. What I do with Trump is how he tries to act like he’s more moral than thou among the Evangelicals when his kids literally found out about him cheating on their mom in the tabloids. I don’t like adultery but Trump bragged about his adultery and sexual escapades. He’s a fucking shitty excuse for a eprson.

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JordanRules  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:44:02am
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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:44:36am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

Here is another case of Fox News Short Term Memory Loss

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“LEAVE DONNY ALONE!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:44:52am

re: #428 JordanRules

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Paul Manafort (R-ussia).

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:46:41am

re: #419 The Vicious Babushka

Here is another case of Fox News Short Term Memory Loss

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And from that genius arbiter of politics reality shows and being married to another reality show twit, Rachel Campos-Duffy.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:50:31am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Well divorce is one thing. Like I don’t hold Reagan’s divorce from Jane Wyman against him. What I do with Trump is how he tries to act like he’s more moral than thou among the Evangelicals when his kids literally found out about him cheating on their mom in the tabloids. I don’t like adultery but Trump bragged about his adultery and sexual escapades. He’s a fucking shitty excuse for a eprson.

No argument from me. I also agree it’s hypocritical of not only tRump but the pulpit pimps who have given him a pass as well on his past behavior.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:50:54am

re: #431 BeachDem

And from that genius arbiter of politics reality shows and being married to another reality show twit, Rachel Campos-Duffy.

What I like about the FNC model is that they say celebrities should shut up about politics and then give us such E list celebrities such as Rachel and Stacey Dash and of course FABIO!

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Semper Fi  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:51:16am

re: #364 ObserverArt

I saw them on TV. Just people looking for a better life and fair shake at getting it.

Here is a Google image link with bunch of images if you want to take a look,

Google - iImmigrant caravan in Mexico

Thank you for taking the time to post that google link. That’s a Wow! and very impressive. I don’t think Trump has a good grasp of what this country represents to so many in world. No, not really at all.
Thank you.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:51:45am

re: #432 Bubblehead II

No argument from me. I also agree it’s hypocritical of not only tRump but the pulpit pimps who have given him a pass as well on his past behavior.

Oh for sure. The preachers are the worst of the bunch. If Obama had three wives with five children and bragged about adultery in the tabloids, they’d drag him through the mud and in fact, I bet he wouldn’t even be a Senator let alone a former President.

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sagehen  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:52:08am

re: #424 Bubblehead II

Not to mention none of them are known to have had extramarital affairs or divorced their wives unlike the current ass in the White House.

McCain divorced his first wife (the one who waited for him while he was a POW). He started having affairs almost as soon as he returned, treated her terribly, but didn’t divorce her until he’d lined up an heiress as wife #2.

This is why the Reagans disliked him so intensely.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:52:32am

re: #432 Bubblehead II

No argument from me. I also agree it’s hypocritical of not only tRump but the pulpit pimps who have given him a pass as well on his past behavior.

I think that’s the part that pisses me off the most. These so-called Christians are completely selling out to the Republicans, and it’s never been more clear because Fuckface von Clownstick is such a morally repugnant asshole, but they excuse him and promote him to sainthood anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:53:12am

re: #436 sagehen

McCain divorced his first wife (the one who waited for him while he was a POW). He started having affairs almost as soon as he returned, treated her terribly, but didn’t divorce her until he’d lined up an heiress as wife #2.

This is why the Reagans disliked him so intensely.

That’s right. I had forgotten about that. There’s been rumors but I’m not sure how true they are that H.W cheated on Barbara too but I don’t know if they’re true.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:53:55am

re: #436 sagehen

McCain divorced his first wife (the one who waited for him while he was a POW). He started having affairs almost as soon as he returned, treated her terribly, but didn’t divorce her until he’d lined up an heiress as wife #2.

This is why the Reagans disliked him so intensely.

I stand corrected.

Hey, two out of three aint bad.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:54:59am

re: #437 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think that’s the part that pisses me off the most. These so-called Christians are completely selling out to the Republicans, and it’s never been more clear because Fuckface von Clownstick is such a morally repugnant asshole, but they excuse him and promote him to sainthood anyway.

It really shows me how pathetic the religious right is. Anyone who kisses their ass gets their blessing. If they would just admit that rather than acting holier than thou but nope, they have to act like they’re the only ones with morals and that liberals can’t have them. One of my cousins is gay, married, and has two children. To the religious right, he and his family are immoral and against God’s laws but Trump is a man of God because he kisses their ass and that infuriates me.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:55:26am

re: #437 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think that’s the part that pisses me off the most. These so-called Christians are completely selling out to the Republicans, and it’s never been more clear because Fuckface von Clownstick is such a morally repugnant asshole, but they excuse him and promote him to sainthood anyway.

One word. Power. They see it within their grasp and will do anything to obtain it.

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mmmirele  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:57:26am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

I mean with Bush, I could find some things to like about him as a man outside of politics. Same thing with McCain. Romney I will concede was a challenge though Romney very much seems to be a family man even if a world class ass all else.

He did save the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics from impending disaster. There is that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:57:38am
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:58:23am

re: #436 sagehen

McCain divorced his first wife (the one who waited for him while he was a POW). He started having affairs almost as soon as he returned, treated her terribly, but didn’t divorce her until he’d lined up an heiress as wife #2.

This is why the Reagans disliked him so intensely.

McCain maybe should be given somewhat of a pass on that — given the torture he endured as a POW, some of the behavior may reflect his dealing with PTSD. Or maybe I am too forgiving on this.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:59:30am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

That’s right. I had forgotten about that. There’s been rumors but I’m not sure how true they are that H.W cheated on Barbara too but I don’t know if they’re true.

The honorable thing for McCain to do right now would be to resign since he can’t do the job he was elected to do and give voters the chance to select their new Senator. Instead he is clinging to the office to ensure his seat stays in GOP hands and deny voters a choice for another two years.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 5, 2018 • 9:59:52am

re: #406 BeachDem

What would ever give you that idea??!!

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He shouldn’t make fun of handicapped people like that.
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:00:39am

re: #442 mmmirele

He did save the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics from impending disaster. There is that.

Ah true.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:01:08am

re: #443 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Feature, not bug.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:01:16am

re: #441 Bubblehead II

One word. Power. They see it within their grasp and will do anything to obtain it.

It’s what Jesus would do.

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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:01:23am
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electrotek  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:01:56am

re: #450 lawhawk

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But they sure love to present themselves as liberators for women in the Middle East.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:03:11am

re: #450 lawhawk

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JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:03:24am

re: #451 electrotek

But they sure love to present themselves as liberators for women in the Middle East.

They do the same for LGBT people too. Sick fucks.

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sagehen  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:03:32am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

That’s right. I had forgotten about that. There’s been rumors but I’m not sure how true they are that H.W cheated on Barbara too but I don’t know if they’re true.

It’s an open secret; his “work wife” (top aide when he was ambassador to China, and again at CIA) was his actual long-time mistress, named Jennifer Fitzgerald. She got in some trouble bringing undeclared fur coats through customs.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:05:18am

re: #454 sagehen

It’s an open secret; his “work wife” (top aide when he was ambassador to China, and again at CIA) was his actual long-time mistress, named Jennifer Fitzgerald. She got in some trouble bringing undeclared fur coats through customs.

Oh okay. I didn’t know if that was considered open secret or not and was just rumor.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:05:24am

You know, turning every little thing into part of a HUGE conspiracy is kind-of fun. I’m starting to finally understand the appeal of Alex Jones.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:06:10am

re: #456 Ace-o-aces

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You know, turning every little thing into part of a HUGE conspiracy is kind-of fun. I’m starting to finally understand the appeal of Alex Jones.

Don’t do it! Don’t go to the bad place!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:08:28am

re: #456 Ace-o-aces

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You know, turning every little thing into part of a HUGE conspiracy is kind-of fun. I’m starting to finally understand the appeal of Alex Jones.

I don’t care about her nose being real. I care taht she spreads nothing but bullshit.

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Varek Raith  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:09:40am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:14:00am
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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:14:39am

re: #442 mmmirele

He did save the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics from impending disaster. There is that.

Well—that’s the way Mitt tells it…

Ken Bullock, who was on the organizing committee and was executive director of the Utah League of Cities and Towns said, “He tried very hard to build an image of himself as a savior, the great white hope. He was very good at characterizing and castigating people and putting himself on a pedestal.”

Sydney Fonnesbeck, who was a former Salt Lake City councilor said, “What turned me sour was his demand to get all the credit and ignore everybody who put in thousands and thousands of hours before he arrived.”

Even Garff, a Romney supporter, saw an underlying self-interest aspect to Romney and the Games, “This was the thing he could do to propel himself into the national spotlight which I believe was all part of his overarching plan of his life.”

While Romney’s moves energized the committee, some people familiar with the budget insist his dire forecasts were overstated. A Globe review of archived records showed the organizing committee already had secured commitments of nearly $1 billion in revenues…before Romney arrived.

State and federal money had also been secured prior to Romney’s arrival. Senator Bob Bennett, who served as point man for the federal funding confirmed that and said, “The Clinton administration was completely supportive in saying these are America’s games, we will do whatever we can to make sure they are successful.”

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:14:44am

re: #460 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Dead man walking!

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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:15:23am
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MsJ  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:16:28am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:17:01am

re: #463 lawhawk

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Has there been a firing yet that hasn’t had a statement like this shortly beforehand?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:17:28am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Well there’s that but I’m talking about individual character traits. The older Bush, Dole, and McCain for example, I admire the hell out of the lifetime they had in public service and their war record. H.W. Bush was only 19 years old when he was a naval pilot and didn’t use the fact that he was the son of a corporate big shot to get him any favors. W Bush, as a baseball fan, I appreciate that I could probably have a good talk with him on baseball and I think W Bush was inclusive in his belief in the American dream for people of all racial, ethnic, and religious backgrounds.

That, too. My point was that they had records of service, voting records and policy decisions that you could agree or disagree with, but they served as a point of reference. Trump had no record of public service and refused to release his tax returns to give us any insight into his record of private service.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:17:50am
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:18:11am

re: #462 Targetpractice

Dead man walking!

There’s always someone worse to take the job next.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:18:28am

re: #466 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That, too. My point was that they had records of service, voting records and policy decisions that you could agree or disagree with, but they served as a point of reference. Trump had no record of public service and refused to release his tax returns to give us any insight into his record of private service.

Oh absolutely.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:19:05am

re: #436 sagehen

McCain divorced his first wife (the one who waited for him while he was a POW). He started having affairs almost as soon as he returned, treated her terribly, but didn’t divorce her until he’d lined up an heiress as wife #2.

This is why the Reagans disliked him so intensely.

My first boss was a real estate developer in Arizona and set me to follow McCain and his career, he was a carpetbagger who married a wealthy heiress who bought him the nomination in a highly Republican congressional district that all but assured his election and kick-started his political career.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:19:09am
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MsJ  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:19:42am

re: #467 Ace-o-aces

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BeachDem  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:21:30am

re: #470 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My first boss was a real estate developer in Arizona and set me to follow McCain and his career, he was a carpetbagger who married a wealthy heiress who bought him the nomination in a highly Republican congressional district that all but assured his election and kick-started his political career.

And let’s not forget his special relationship with Charles Keating.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:22:40am

re: #473 BeachDem

And let’s not forget his special relationship with Charles Keating.

The Fake Maverick article RS did was quite good.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:23:18am

re: #472 MsJ

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Shit I remember some of them claiming they were pushing politics when Sasha or Malia wore an outfit with the peace sign on it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:24:07am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:26:15am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:27:25am

re: #477 Charles Johnson

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Never. He will get thrown in prison, and they will be insisting that he was framed and inventing all manner of crazy kooky conspiracy theories to lie themselves into continuing to believe he is a saint.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:27:55am
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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:28:03am

re: #465 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Has there been a firing yet that hasn’t had a statement like this shortly beforehand?

When Trump expresses his “confidence” in a Cabinet member, the translation is “I’ve already started looking for your replacement.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:28:35am

re: #479 Charles Johnson

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They finally got a President who speaks their bigoted language.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:30:16am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

They finally got a President who speaks their bigoted language.

That’s basically what it boils down to. He has a crazy cult of personality going because he managed to unleash the crazy cult that was boiling just beneath the surface of the rabid right wing.

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electrotek  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:30:55am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

They finally got a President who speaks their bigoted language.

Because they even hated on Mitt Romney for not being Islamophobic enough.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:31:37am

re: #477 Charles Johnson

Like most cults, it’ll probably end when Trump dies, and the next leader is unable to maintain his hold on the cult.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:31:44am

re: #477 Charles Johnson

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The very moment he loses his reelection bid. Then it’ll be like the aftermath of a Soviet premier’s demise: The party will immediately disavow him, his most vocal supporters will become his most ardent critics, and within a year all trace of his “base” will be plowed under.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:31:56am

re: #483 electrotek

Because they even hated on Mitt Romney for not being Islamophobic enough.

And being insufficiently bigoted towards Latinos.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:32:18am

re: #485 Targetpractice

The very moment he loses his reelection bid. Then it’ll be like the aftermath of a Soviet premier’s demise: The party will immediately disavow him, his most vocal supporters will become his most ardent critics, and within a year all trace of his “base” will be plowed under.

Yep he’ll get Stalined.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:32:48am

re: #480 Targetpractice

When Trump expresses his “confidence” in a Cabinet member, the translation is “I’ve already started looking for your replacement.”

Of course. Trump is the best illustration of the term “two-faced” that I’ve ever seen.

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freetoken  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:33:01am

re: #479 Charles Johnson

The worship of Reagan by some Republicans paved the way for the cult of personality in American politics, at least in the recent era.

It is reminiscent to how Confederate-worshippers cling to Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee.

I think it is very good to view leaders and people in power as the flawed humans they are.

Some are very much more flawed than others.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:34:00am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:35:57am

re: #490 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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OFFS.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:38:12am

re: #490 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Reminds me of the movie Full Metal Jacket:

Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Jesus H. Christ! Private Pyle, why is your footlocker unlocked?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, I don’t know, sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Private Pyle, if there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is an unlocked footlocker! You know that, don’t you?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, yes, sir!
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: If it wasn’t for dickheads like you, there wouldn’t be any thievery in this world, would there?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, no, sir!

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I cannot.  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:38:43am

re: #480 Targetpractice

More like “No, you can’t go back to your office, we’ll send your property back to you (after we’ve cleaned any evidence and pawned any valuables)”

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:40:37am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:42:09am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:43:01am

re: #485 Targetpractice

The very moment he loses his reelection bid. Then it’ll be like the aftermath of a Soviet premier’s demise: The party will immediately disavow him, his most vocal supporters will become his most ardent critics, and within a year all trace of his “base” will be plowed under.

Followed shortly thereafter by WE NEVER VOTED FOR HIM. HE WAS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT ALL ALONG. WE NEVER ONCE SUPPORTED HIM.

I guaran-damn-tee it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:45:15am

re: #494 Ace-o-aces

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Maybe if he made less YouTube videos, he wouldn’t be such a pathetic douche.

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Targetpractice  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:46:39am

re: #489 freetoken

The worship of Reagan by some Republicans paved the way for the cult of personality in American politics, at least in the recent era.

It is reminiscent to how Confederate-worshippers cling to Jefferson Davis or Robert E. Lee.

I think it is very good to view leaders and people in power as the flawed humans they are.

Some are very much more flawed than others.

They cling to St. Ron for the same reason they cling to Lee or Jackson: The myth of those men has long since eclipsed the reality. Much like how the latter today are spun as the very epitome of the noble Southern gentleman, a form of aristocracy that was wiped out by the horrors of the Civil War, Reagan is spun as all that was good and proud about America during the Cold War. His failings were really those of his underlings or his political opponents, his economic gains are overstated while the legacy of his spendthrift style played as “necessary,” his part in ending the Cold War spun as vital when really the stage had been set by events within the USSR itself, and his own bigotry and callousness downplayed in favor of the public perception of him as a kindly ol’ grandpa who just wanted what was “best” for everyone.

But, most importantly, he was the sort of iron-fisted authoritarian that they love to this day. It’s for the same reason that you’ll hear wingnuts declare that Nixon’s “real” crime was that he got caught, that he was doing nothing that the other side wasn’t already doing.

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lawhawk  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:47:47am
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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:47:52am

re: #495 Charles Johnson

The MIT Media Lab named him to its list of top 150 influencers on the election, based on news appearances and social media impact. He finished ahead of NBC News, Drudge Report and Stephen Colbert.

I stopped reading there.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:51:02am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:55:57am

re: #495 Charles Johnson

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Between him and Spencer, I can’t help but to notice that a lot of the leaders of the alt-right are more elites than the political elites they hate.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 10:58:56am
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:00:47am

re: #495 Charles Johnson

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He told Feldman that he was from New England and had gone to a private school and worked in “consulting or finance” in New York. He was smart and well-heeled, an urbane cosmopolitan elite. “You would never ever in a million years think that was Ricky Vaughn,” Feldman said.

I went to college with just these kinds of bigots. I’d have no problem thinking it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:00:52am

re: #503 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Pam Geller and Robert Spencer must be shitting themselves right now.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:01:05am

I think what continues to trouble me is how many of these guys are close to my age and in my demo group. I’m a 30 year old straight white guy but I want nothing to do with these bigoted fuck nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:02:19am

re: #504 Barefoot Grin

He told Feldman that he was from New England and had gone to a private school and worked in “consulting or finance” in New York. He was smart and well-heeled, an urbane cosmopolitan elite. “You would never ever in a million years think that was Ricky Vaughn,” Feldman said.

I went to college with just these kinds of bigots. I’d have no problem thinking it.

It amuses me that he was doing all this hating on multiculutralism from the most diverse city in the country if not the world.

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electrotek  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:02:31am

re: #503 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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re: #505 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Pam Geller and Richard Spencer must be shitting themselves right now.

Don’t you mean Robert Spencer?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:02:59am

re: #508 electrotek

Don’t you mean Robert Spencer?

Yes, fixed it, thanks!

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:03:16am

re: #406 BeachDem

What would ever give you that idea??!!

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Ha. You can tell by his eyes in that second image that ball was way high and wide. I hope everyone was paying attention and didn’t get beaned.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:04:10am
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sagehen  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:05:16am

re: #496 Dr Lizardo

Followed shortly thereafter by WE NEVER VOTED FOR HIM. HE WAS A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT ALL ALONG. WE NEVER ONCE SUPPORTED HIM.

I guaran-damn-tee it.

It’s hard sometimes to remember how much they LURVVED Dubya.

But he wasn’t wanted at the 2008, 2012 or 2016 RNC.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:05:21am

re: #506 HappyWarrior

I think what continues to trouble me is how many of these guys are close to my age and in my demo group. I’m a 30 year old straight white guy but I want nothing to do with these bigoted fuck nuts.

I think the Internet Age has brought about a profound generational shift with the way it has opened communications and information. Our generation, yours and mine both, seems to have gotten caught in the crossfire between “the way things were” and “the way things are going to be”. As a result, we’re winding up with a significant proportion of the crazies because so many people were put in difficult situations. Change is hard.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:06:04am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:06:31am

re: #511 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Good. He has a right to believe that horrid shit about women who get abortions but he shouldn’t get a platform either.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:08:03am

re: #513 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think the Internet Age has brought about a profound generational shift with the way it has opened communications and information. Our generation, yours and mine both, seems to have gotten caught in the crossfire between “the way things were” and “the way things are going to be”. As a result, we’re winding up with a significant proportion of the crazies because so many people were put in difficult situations. Change is hard.

I think you’re right about that. What for me is so interesting is seeing how differently my wingnut friend and I see the world. We’re exactly two weeks apart. And although he spent a lot of time in Texas, he like me grew up in a diverse and affluent suburb.

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Belafon  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:08:55am

re: #506 HappyWarrior

I think what continues to trouble me is how many of these guys are close to my age and in my demo group. I’m a 30 year old straight white guy but I want nothing to do with these bigoted fuck nuts.

Go look at postcards of lynchings and realize that they come in every age group.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:09:43am

re: #517 Belafon

Go look at postcards of lynchings and realize that they come in every age group.

Oh I know that. It’s why you don’t see me while I’m proud of my generation crapping on Boomers and Gen Xers.

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plansbandc  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:09:50am

re: #490 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Very trumpian.

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ObserverArt  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:15:33am

re: #456 Ace-o-aces

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You know, turning every little thing into part of a HUGE conspiracy is kind-of fun. I’m starting to finally understand the appeal of Alex Jones.

You gonna set up an online studio and start doing broadcasts?

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Alephnaught  Apr 5, 2018 • 11:30:00am

We used to joke about this sort of thing in the UK in the 1990s, mainly due to the amount of Ministers that resigned in disgrace and scandal during John Major”s reign as Prime Minister up to 1997, when Tony Blair’s New Labour project obliterated his government in that year’s General Election.

The scandals were pretty small scale for the six years he was PM, compared to Trump’s first year alone, and the scandals weren’t really his fault- it was mainly the hubris of an administration that had been in power since 1979, and having won 4 General Elections on a row, thought they could get away with anything. (Okay, there was that small matter of John Major having an affair with Edwina Currie, but that didn’t come to light until well after both had left the UK Cabinet.)

Anyhow, during Major’s tenure, there was usually some sort of press release along the lines of “The Prime Minister has expressed their full confidence in [Current Minister engulfed in scandal]”, and everybody would be like: Haha, expect their resignation to spend more time with their family within the month.

These days, it seems that with Trump, even an unspecified amount of publicly declared confidence appears to guarantee being booted unceremoniously out the door within a week, tops, or maybe even before I’ve posted this comment.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 5, 2018 • 2:18:29pm

re: #511 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Figured out the guy really does want to snuff women, did he?


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