Seth takes a closer look at the Trump administration’s plan to send the National Guard to the U.S.-Mexico border and the president’s attacks on Amazon.
Grand opening, grand closing
— Rob Bonnette (@rbonne1) April 5, 2018
The Best part is Jeffrey Goldberg going “Well yeah I talked to him and yeah he really does think women who had abortions should be hanged and that actually wasn’t a joke or performance art so holy crap wow my bad for hiring him” https://t.co/QF38gJ7F4G
— Zandar Wakandar (@ZandarVTS) April 5, 2018
Coming soon: a Bret Stephens column whinging about Williamson being silenced for his perfectly ordinary conservative views.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 5, 2018
re: #1 jaunte
He’ll be on Fox tonight talking about his 1st Amendment violation by the Atlantic.
re: #2 Charles Johnson
I’m betting Hugh Hewitt or Jonah Goldberg beat him to it first.
re: #4 lawhawk
Why should any conservative writer or thinker of any note, daring, or intellect agree to work for the Atlantic when it is now proven that they can be bullied into firing them by an astro-turfed internet lynch mob?
— Jeff B. (@EsotericCD) April 5, 2018
If you’re pleased Kevin Williamson has been fired from The Atlantic, do take a moment to shoutout @mmfa’s @sharonkann and @julietulbert who found that podcast https://t.co/Co0FSouktM
— Leanne Naramore (@LeanneNaramore) April 5, 2018
Yes, good work finding the podcast, but seriously - it shouldn’t have been necessary in the first place. https://t.co/71bqSx105C
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 5, 2018
re: #5 lawhawk
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Yawn. Maybe Kevin shouldn’t suggest hanging women and expect people not to forget that he said that. He’s entitled to express his opinion but you can be damn sure that people have a right to raise attention to what he’s written. Maybe if Kevin had written that Communism was just misunderstood, conservatives would be understanding .//
Williamson had a right to say that women who get abortions should be hanged and the people who knew about that had a right to raise hell about the Atlantic hiring his sexist ass.
Kevin Williamson has been fired from The Atlantic.
From Jeffrey Goldberg’s letter to staff: “The language he used in this podcast—and in my conversations with him in recent days—made it clear that the original tweet did, in fact, represent his carefully considered views.”— Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) April 5, 2018
If Goldberg needs a replacement, I think I know a guy looking for a job:https://t.co/JARc7WBRqV https://t.co/0COxY1JrwX
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) April 5, 2018
Nice going with that hire in the first place. That was very Rush in the Monday Night Football booth. Everyone knew who he was and what he did, but they hired his ass anyway.
buh bye
re: #10 plansbandc
Nice going with that hire in the first place. That was very Rush in the Monday Night Football booth. Everyone knew who he was and what he did, but they hired his ass anyway.
buh bye
Good analogy.
re: #8 HappyWarrior
Williamson had a right to say that women who get abortions should be hanged
I don’t think so. That’s the kind of talk that gets people killed.
re: #2 Charles Johnson
I put my money on Bari Weiss chiming in first.
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) April 5, 2018
I mean, it’s not like Williamson did something unforgivable like being a Palestinian.
Not only did Trump not throw out the first pitch for the Nationals home opener today, but, the planned military flyover was cancelled because it conflicted with Presidential transit to Andrews AFB
re: #12 Skip Intro
Williamson had a right to say that women who get abortions should be hanged
I don’t think so. That’s the kind of talk that gets people killed.
He has the right to say those things in the same way people have the right to stab themselves in the leg.
re: #12 Skip Intro
Williamson had a right to say that women who get abortions should be hanged
I don’t think so. That’s the kind of talk that gets people killed.
I don’t think you’re wrong but I meant he had a right to say it without being imprisoned. I do agree completely though it’s dangerous as hell rhetoric and shouldn’t be just dismissed as free speech.
“The tweet was not merely an impulsive, decontextualized, heat-of-the-moment post…Furthermore, the language used in the podcast was callous and violent. This runs contrary to The Atlantic’s tradition of respectful, well-reasoned debate, and to the values of our workplace.”
— Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) April 5, 2018
“I can’t believe that Nazi McNaziNazi turned out to be a Nazi!” - @JeffreyGoldberg https://t.co/LvQZKiTUHQ
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) April 5, 2018
re: #15 Belafon
He has the right to say those things in the same way people have the right to stab themselves in the leg.
Yep, if he wants to show the whole world he’s an unrependent sexist douchebag, go for it. I do understand what Skip is saying though. That kind of shit does encourage violence against women who exercise their LEGAL right to choose.
I can’t believe a regularly featured writer for National Review turned out ot be a dipshit. Said no one who actually understands what NRO is all about and has been about since the virulent racist Buckley ran it.
Kevin Williamson fired from @TheAtlantic: Good news. He’s a racist, sexist fanatic who fantasizes about mass violence against innocent people.
Now it’s time to fire @JeffreyGoldberg, who promoted and defended those views.— Zachariah Von Fang (@MistahScooter) April 5, 2018
Deleting this tweet because he wasn’t fired from NRO. I was confusing him with Derbyshire, Brimelow, and Weissberg
re: #21 lawhawk
NRO fired Williamson? I assumed he still worked there, or at least still wrote for them.
re: #19 HappyWarrior
I can’t believe a regularly featured writer for National Review turned out ot be a dipshit. Said no one who actually understands what NRO is all about and has been about since the virulent racist Buckley ran it.
There’s one reporter who did a stint at NRO who seems to be a straight shooter: Robert Costa.
re: #21 lawhawk
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re: #23 wrenchwench
There’s one reporter who did a stint at NRO who seems to be a straight shooter: Robert Costa.
H.W. Brands occasionally reviews books for them. I liked his FDR bio.
Bernie Sanders dismissing Barack Obama as nothing more than a “charismatic leader” on the 50th anniversary of King’s assassination is perhaps the most Bernie Sanders thing Bernie Sanders has ever said.
— Annissa (@IDreamOnDemand) April 5, 2018
Are you playing dumb or just looking for a reason to attack #Bernie? I can’t believe you don’t know what he meant. Wasn’t dismissing Obama. He was pointing out a DNC weakness Hillary acknowledged. My God, we lost 1000+ led seats, 2/3 of govs & Congress & you cant allow criticism? https://t.co/WeiQEO98VM
— James J. Zogby (@jjz1600) April 5, 2018
— James J. Zogby (@jjz1600) April 5, 2018
just in case you were confused whether calling Black people “dumb” is going to be the Bernie left’s black voter outreach strategy yet again, here’s a member of the so-called Unity Commission demonstrating that yes— it is. https://t.co/CCQiUJUwML
— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) April 5, 2018
Always good to have one’s next column topic determined well in advance.
— Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) April 5, 2018
Eager to read. https://t.co/9ML85yIniI
— Bari Weiss (@bariweiss) April 5, 2018
This is peak NYT Op-Ed. https://t.co/vVp1kL9b9n
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) April 5, 2018
From downthread, as we seem to be in “Trump has declared confidence in [Next person who looks likely to be booted out]” Watch Mode:
That’s the kiss of death.Pruitt’s gone. He just doesn’t know it yet - and Trump hasn’t yet tweeted to make the firing official.
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) April 5, 2018
We used to joke about this sort of thing in the UK in the 1990s, mainly due to the amount of Ministers that resigned in disgrace and scandal during John Major”s reign as Prime Minister up to 1997, when Tony Blair’s New Labour project obliterated his government in that year’s General Election.
The scandals were pretty small scale for the six years he was PM, compared to Trump’s first year alone, and the scandals weren’t really his fault- it was mainly the hubris of an administration that had been in power since 1979, and having won 4 General Elections on a row, thought they could get away with anything. (Okay, there was that small matter of John Major having an affair with Edwina Currie, but that didn’t come to light until well after both had left the UK Cabinet.)
Anyhow, during Major’s tenure, there was usually some sort of press release along the lines of “The Prime Minister has expressed their full confidence in [Current Minister engulfed in scandal]”, and everybody would be like: Haha, expect their resignation to spend more time with their family within the month.
These days, it seems that with Trump, even an unspecified amount of publicly declared confidence appears to guarantee being booted unceremoniously out the door within a week, tops, or maybe even before I’ve posted this comment.
JFC
I’ve been following the anti-Sanders press for some time now, so this is no surprise, but the enormous gulf between how I saw people respond to him in that room and how twitter is reacting is genuinely galling. However I am heartened at the end. Because the people get it.
— Optimistic Populist (@briebriejoy) April 5, 2018
It’s unfortunate that some have so degraded our discourse that my recognition of the historical significance of the Obama presidency is attacked. https://t.co/rRc2KVl8Cl
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) April 5, 2018
re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth
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She’s also autistic and disabled too but she went after St. Bernie of Sanders. She’s absolutely right and Zogby is absolutely wrong and shows again why the Sanders coalition is clueless about outreach. As for those lost seats. Did Bernie campaign for any of those Democrats that lost their seats? Hillary and Obama did.
re: #25 HappyWarrior
H.W. Brands occasionally reviews books for them. I liked his FDR bio.
I didn’t know that. I have several of his books.
Trump is now talking about how MS-13 uses knives instead of guns to inflict maximum pain on innocent young girls. “Their parents never see ‘em again. They’re cut up.”
This event is “a roundable discussion on tax reform.”— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 5, 2018
re: #31 Sir John Barron
I didn’t know that. I have several of his books.
Yeah I didn’t know either until a friend mentioned it to me. They have another sometimes reviewer that did a Madison bio that was supposed to be good.
re: #33 HappyWarrior
Yeah I didn’t know either until a friend mentioned it to me. They have another sometimes reviewer that did a Madison bio that was supposed to be good.
Richard Brookheiser? He’s done some good, relatively short biographies of some of the Founders.
re: #35 Sir John Barron
Richard Brookheiser? He’s done some good, relatively short biographies of some of the Founders.
Yes, that’s the guy. My buddy says he’s more of a libertarian than conservative.
The amount of folks who twist Sanders words just to keep making a political point and to drive wedges is remarkable. Pres. Obama is one of our strongest Presidents. He did not build the state parties or the Bench in ways we all needed. You can be mad at that fact but it’s true.
— Jane Fleming Kleeb (@janekleeb) April 5, 2018
Oh good Lord, they’re *his* words. No twisting necessary. Also - occasion and location = truly horrendous politics. He should apologize and move on. https://t.co/qjnQaAVXVH
— Tom Watson (@tomwatson) April 5, 2018
We’re back to “rapey” Mexicans again
Discussing immigration laws, Pres. Trump references controversial remarks from campaign launch.
“I used the word rape—and yesterday it came out where this journey coming up, women are raped at levels that nobody’s ever seen before. They don’t want to mention that.” pic.twitter.com/L4MruYIstc— ABC News (@ABC) April 5, 2018
re: #39 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
We’re back to “rapey” Mexicans again
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re: #5 lawhawk
Jeff B.
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@EsotericCD
Why should any conservative writer or thinker of any note, daring, or intellect agree to work for the Atlantic when it is now proven that they can be bullied into firing them by an astro-turfed internet lynch mob?
Does Jeff B. know what “astro turf” means in this context. I think he used it because it sounded evil. How does he know all the calls, emails, tweets, etc. were fake and paid for by some outside guy like a Soros?
I contacted The Atlantic…where is my check dammit! And even if I wasn’t paid, the nefarious group that supported me needs to give me an attaboy.
Grumble.
Has Bernie ever thought that the reason why we lost seats in the Obama years was because our base got lazy? And I’m sorry but just calling Obama a charismatic guy really does a disservice to his accomplishments as both a man and President. But Bernie knows that. And as I said, where the hell was Bernie campaigning for incumbent Democrats in 2010, 2012, and 2014? Jane Kleeb and James Zogby should ask themselves that.
re: #43 HappyWarrior
Act I: Bernie takes swipe at Democratic Party and demeans Pres. Obama’s legacy.
Act II: Bernie gets blowback.
Act III: Bernie stans get passive aggressive; defensive play the victim.
Act IV: Bernie stans call blowback divisive and call for unity.
— Thanks to Bernie— Gus Ironic Conquistador™ (@Gus_802) April 5, 2018
Hey look. It’s from 2016.
That’s Bernie’s platform.
How many delegates did you spit on at the convention?— John Williams (@JohnnyDakar) April 5, 2018
First they told me that they didn’t get enough say in the 2016 platform. Now they say that the entire platform is Bernie’s. https://t.co/WFfrOzgSjb
— Neokara Calavera (@KaraCalavera) April 5, 2018
re: #43 HappyWarrior
Has Bernie ever thought that the reason why we lost seats in the Obama years was because our base got lazy? And I’m sorry but just calling Obama a charismatic guy really does a disservice to his accomplishments as both a man and President. But Bernie knows that. And as I said, where the hell was Bernie campaigning for incumbent Democrats in 2010, 2012, and 2014? Jane Kleeb and James Zogby should ask themselves that.
How about just pushback to progressive policies? Republicans made a lot of hay linking policies to cultural issues, and Democrats simply didn’t work on raising the base (which INCLUDES POCs and women).
re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Dude fuck Bernie. I want him out of office at this point.
re: #45 gwangung
How about just pushback to progressive policies? Republicans made a lot of hay linking policies to cultural issues, and Democrats simply didn’t work on raising the base (which INCLUDES POCs and women).
That too. But ya knwo easier to shit on Obama who wasn’t there to defend himself against the do nothing Senator from Vermont.
Let’s see:
Marriage equality
DACA
improved economy
A president who actually stood up for non-believing Americans
A president who championed transpeople
But yeah he was just “charismatic”.
re: #23 wrenchwench
There’s one reporter who did a stint at NRO who seems to be a straight shooter: Robert Costa.
I think he was only there for a couple of years. He did some decent straight up reporting and turned it into a job at WaPo. He got out when the gettin’ was good.
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