New From Ry Cooder: “The Prodigal Son” (Live in Studio)

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“The Prodigal Son”, Ry’ Cooder’s first new solo release in six years, is set for release May 11, 2018! Pre-order / stream “The Prodigal Son” here: found.ee

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LYRICS

now, the prodigal son was a forward child, his mind was not to obey

but after he left his father’s house he thought he had gone astray

i believe i believe that i will go back home

i believe i believe that i will go back home

i believe i believe i that i will go back home

and be a servant of the Lord

his father saw him coming he met him with a smile

he threw his arms around him saying this is my darling child

chorus

the prodigal said, i searched for true religion, but to peace and no faith could i find

until i came to a little place called Bakersfield, that eased my troublin’ mind

chorus

i wandered into a tavern where a music band was playin’

the steel guitar rang out so sweet, i feel like i was prayin’

i asked a comely waitress, is this a new teaching

she said there is no God but God, and Ralph Mooney is his name

let me empty your ashtray, Mr. Mooney, if the drunks interfere i’ll be sad

but just as long as you sit there on the bandstand and play your guitar like Buddha, i’ll be glad

the father asked the prodigal, did you smell the sweet perfume and hear the angel band?

he said, dim lights, thick smoke, and loud, loud music is the only kind of truth i’ll ever understand

the prodigal son

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361 comments
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:35:46pm
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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:36:27pm

Nice song! 🎧😎

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:36:32pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:40:12pm

Ry still has the licks with the glass slide.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:41:35pm

I’m hoping to go to Vegas in September. I’d stay at the Wynn because it has gorgeous rooms but ick, can’t do it.

Anyone have suggestions for a nice room with a separate shower and deep tub in the bathroom? One that’s not $300 a night.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:44:58pm

re: #3 Kragar

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So the border wall is the hill that Ann Coulter is going to die on. Well, I have to admit, I’m impressed; Donald J. Trump has managed to accomplish something productive in his time as President. He’s lost Ann Coulter.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:49:06pm

re: #6 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So the border wall is the hill that Ann Coulter is going to die on. Well, I have to admit, I’m impressed; Donald J. Trump has managed to accomplish something productive in his time as President. He’s lost Ann Coulter.

She’s a bigot but unlike Hannity, she’s a bigot who actually wants results.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:55:54pm

Besides being lazy and narcissistic, I really think there’s an economic reason for Trump spending so much time at his own properties. He’s pouring as much government money into his own pockets as he possibly can.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 7, 2018 • 7:59:32pm

re: #3 Kragar

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:00:07pm
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makeitstop  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:03:25pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Besides being lazy and narcissistic, I really think there’s an economic reason for Trump spending so much time at his own properties. He’s pouring as much government money into his own pockets as he possibly can.

I said that at the end of the last thread. Roll into a Trump hotel and by the time staff and Secret Service have rooms, he’s made a few grand right off the bat.

Easy money.

King Crimson - Easy Money

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:04:06pm

re: #5 MsJ

I know cheaper places, ie. The Rio. Huge suite/every room.

But if you are looking for Wynn caliber…..Maybe the Venetian?

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:04:29pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’ll end up like Discworld’s Nooby Noobs, walking around with a certificate stating that me might be human.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:05:15pm

re: #13 Sea Mexican!

Edit: Wrong character.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:07:55pm

oops…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:08:42pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oops…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:11:45pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oops…

Excellent, excellent. Moose and squirrel strike again!

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b.d. (Untruthful Slime Ball)  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:12:24pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oops…

YOU HEARTLESS, HATEFILLED LIBTARDS BETTER NOT BE LAUGHING AT THAT POOR DRONE CRASHING INTO A WALL.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:13:13pm

re: #18 bill d. (b.d.)

YOU HEARTLESS, HATEFILLED LIBTARDS BETTER NOT BE LAUGHING AT THAT POOR DRONE CRASHING INTO A WALL.

not me, I’m shattered.

oh…wait…that’s the drone that’s shattered…

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b.d. (Untruthful Slime Ball)  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:15:35pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

not me, I’m shattered.

oh…wait…that’s the drone that’s shattered…

Good thing the Russian drone wasn’t practicing delivering nerve agents.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:16:20pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

Laughter, joy, and loneliness and sex and sex and sex and sex
Look at me, I’m in tatters

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Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:17:04pm

re: #20 bill d. (b.d.)

Good thing the Russian drone wasn’t practicing delivering nerve agents.

They haven’t figured out how to get them to put them on door knobs yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:17:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:18:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:20:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:21:38pm
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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:22:57pm

Seems like the news for the UPR just keeps getting worse…

The most recent news (translated to English) also includes the number of employees they want to be fired. The west would be the most affected, with almost 700 fired. The Mayagüez campus (UPRM or RUM) has around 1300 employees, Utuado might have around 100, Aguadilla around 160, and Arecibo around 260. Most offices are currently understaffed, and this will only make the situation worse.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:22:58pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody will be fired come Monday

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:23:36pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

I know cheaper places, ie. The Rio. Huge suite/every room.

But if you are looking for Wynn caliber…..Maybe the Venetian?

Thanks. I googled pics and god those rooms are over the top ugly. Way over the top.

I just want a deep tub that I can soak in for a few hours.

I’m so unfamiliar with hotels there. I was there for a conference and stayed at the Wynn. I also stayed at the Stratosphere on my own dime. The room was fine but the bathroom sucked. The MGM was like any holiday inn.

My kingdom (which I don’t have) for a killer bathroom (which I also don’t have)!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:24:12pm

re: #28 Kragar

Somebody will be fired come Monday

I didn’t realize that there was anyone left at the State Department.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:24:31pm

And to stay on the roll…

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:24:45pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

OMG!! That face!! swoooooooooon!

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:25:34pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

I didn’t realize that there was anyone left at the State Department.

Yeah, well, he’ll have to write his own firing letter. Let’s hope he can write his resignation letter before! 😝

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ipsos  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:25:45pm

re: #29 MsJ

Go on AirBnB and get a suite at the Wyndham Grand Vacations at Harmon and Koval. Off the strip (but not far), HUGE Jacuzzi tubs and big shower stalls. If you pay more than 140 or so a night when there’s a big convention in town, or 100 when there isn’t, you’ve paid too much.

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:26:00pm

re: #6 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So the border wall is the hill that Ann Coulter is going to die on. Well, I have to admit, I’m impressed; Donald J. Trump has managed to accomplish something productive in his time as President. He’s lost Ann Coulter.

Let’s be honest, it was the only thing that set Cheeto Benito apart from the rest of the field. They were talking fencing and drones, he was talking the Berlin Wall. Other than that, they were all pretty much singing from the same sheet of music.

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Skip Intro  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:26:36pm

How does Ry Cooder just keep getting better? It’s voodoo.

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scottslemmons  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:27:24pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

She’s a bigot but unlike Hannity, she’s a bigot who actually wants results.

Coulter’s been wishing for the Fourth Reich for decades. Of course she’s disappointed.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:27:26pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:27:30pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:27:57pm

re: #29 MsJ

Thanks. I googled pics and god those rooms are over the top ugly. Way over the top.

I just want a deep tub that I can soak in for a few hours.

I’m so unfamiliar with hotels there. I was there for a conference and stayed at the Wynn. I also stayed at the Stratosphere on my own dime. The room was fine but the bathroom sucked. The MGM was like any holiday inn.

My kingdom (which I don’t have) for a killer bathroom (which I also don’t have)!

There’s a google search I’m sure for the best bathrooms in LV

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makeitstop  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:28:50pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Uncle Daddy Vlad’s gonna be mad…

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:28:50pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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If Stone’s claim is true, why isn’t he at the hospital? Surviving Polonium poisoning is not like having an upset stomach.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:29:08pm

re: #29 MsJ

Thanks. I googled pics and god those rooms are over the top ugly. Way over the top.

I just want a deep tub that I can soak in for a few hours.

I’m so unfamiliar with hotels there. I was there for a conference and stayed at the Wynn. I also stayed at the Stratosphere on my own dime. The room was fine but the bathroom sucked. The MGM was like any holiday inn.

My kingdom (which I don’t have) for a killer bathroom (which I also don’t have)!

Here you go my love

vegasmagazine.com

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retired cynic  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:29:29pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Something has to explain that head shape!

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:29:56pm

re: #38 Kragar

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Summer’s coming!

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retired cynic  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:30:08pm

re: #44 retired cynic

Something has to explain that head shape!

And I apologize for making fun of somebody’s looks: something (I presume) he has no control over.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:30:22pm

re: #42 Sea Mexican!

If Stone’s claim is true, why isn’t he at the hospital? Surviving Polonium poisoning is not like having an upset stomach.

Not to mention he’d be quarantined.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:31:36pm

re: #47 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Not to mention he’d be quarantined.

Right! Quarantine him for 10 years just in case!

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makeitstop  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:33:37pm

re: #46 retired cynic

And I apologize for making fun of somebody’s looks: something (I presume) he has no control over.

It would be irresponsible not to mock Stone, on his looks and everything else. He is slime.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:35:14pm

The damned Secret Service has a constant presence in the building. They are a law enforcement agency, they have a duty protect all people from harm.
How do they let this happen?

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gocart mozart  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:36:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:36:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:38:03pm

re: #51 gocart mozart

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It’s called a joke. I get that you love Putin, Glenn but still.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:38:52pm

re: #51 gocart mozart

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Mother Russia doesn’t have sense of humor for sale. /

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Belafon  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:39:00pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

It’s called a joke. I get that you love Putin, Glenn but still.

They can’t get the Kamala Harris comment either.

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:40:47pm

re: #34 ipsos

Go on AirBnB and get a suite at the Wyndham Grand Vacations at Harmon and Koval. Off the strip (but not far), HUGE Jacuzzi tubs and big shower stalls. If you pay more than 140 or so a night when there’s a big convention in town, or 100 when there isn’t, you’ve paid too much.

Thanks!!

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:41:59pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

There’s a google search I’m sure for the best bathrooms in LV

I did that. They don’t give the names of the hotels. Not helpful!

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MsJ  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:42:35pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

Here you go my love

vegasmagazine.com

You. Rock!!!!!

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:46:44pm

re: #44 retired cynic

Something has to explain that head shape!

Lol!! Good one. He does have an odd look to him. I just attributed it to him being an evil douche.

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Jay C  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:47:09pm

re: #50 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The damned Secret Service has a constant presence in the building. They are a law enforcement agency, they have a duty protect all people from harm.
How do they let this happen?

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“It just smelled like sulphur”

Wonder if it was one of the Trump Tower’s, umm - “senior creditors” come to collect on an overdue payment…..?

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:49:07pm

Jason Chatfield

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:50:10pm

re: #51 gocart mozart

GG needs to shit the hell up and stop defending all things Trump. How much is Russia paying him?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 7, 2018 • 8:50:15pm

re: #54 Sea Mexican!

Mother Russia doesn’t have sense of humor for sale. /

Seems they’re not paying for it either, hence GG’s tone deafness.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:07:54pm
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scottslemmons  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:10:33pm
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jaunte  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:13:00pm

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“75 foot radius turning at 0.3mph per gps on 2 feet of ice”
nh1.com

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jaunte  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:14:29pm
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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:15:01pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:15:50pm

re: #46 retired cynic

And I apologize for making fun of somebody’s looks: something (I presume) he has no control over.

Republi-crooks put great store in judging by appearance, so it’s okay to bash the mutant zombie inbred-looking, fell-out-of-the-ugly-tree-and-hit-every-branch fuckers till hell won’t have it.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:17:02pm

re: #67 jaunte

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:20:41pm

re: #68 Kragar

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One person died, at least three firefighters were injured, and the reason is because the property owner feels it cheaper to pay the penalties than to bring the building up to code.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:21:25pm
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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:22:02pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:28:17pm

It’s a large, bloated, ugly thing that’s crumbling daily and now going up in smoke.

The Tower is dangerous too.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:30:28pm

re: #58 MsJ

You. Rock!!!!!

Aria looks good.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:33:48pm

Alec is back

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:40:42pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:42:44pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:45:54pm
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BeachDem  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:46:57pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

There’s a google search I’m sure for the best bathrooms in LV

PEEK INSIDE THE BEST HOTEL BATHROOMS TO GET READY FOR A NIGHT OUT IN VEGAS
vegasmagazine.com

Edit—should have known StanleySea would beat me to it!

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BigPapa  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:46:59pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

OMG LOL

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:47:18pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:51:25pm

Facebook Post

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BigPapa  Apr 7, 2018 • 9:54:43pm

Obviously a Lizard in on this crime

Who took my X-acto knife?
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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:01:58pm

Watch

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

hilarious and fucked up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:02:44pm

re: #60 Jay C

“It just smelled like sulphur”

Wonder if it was one of the Trump Tower’s, umm - “senior creditors” come to collect on an overdue payment…..?

Beelzebub?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:04:43pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

Watch

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

hilarious and fucked up.

got yanked.

you’ll have to find it.

game of life daca edition

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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:05:22pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:08:20pm

Hilarious is not the description I’d use.

Very effective satire with laughter. maybe. otherwise fucking sad.

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JordanRules  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:09:32pm

Cool, cool, cool on firing that mediocre Kevin guy that should have never been hired and all but ummmm…

I need more vodka.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:12:06pm

re: #67 jaunte

Be competent?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:20:14pm

re: #90 JordanRules

Well that is one hell of a fucking take. Jesus.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:21:00pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:21:03pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:23:14pm

A couple years ago I rented 3 thousand watts of light to illuminate these walls and not have all black because bright flame. This week I used a more modern camera and needed no extra lighting. Just a newer digital file and newer Ps features. The range of exposure that digital brings to the table keeps widening. For all the wonderful things film can do, that’s not one of them. if I kicked this into B&W, I think it would almost pass for vintage industrial. Hmmm

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:23:53pm

LOL

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JordanRules  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:25:22pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

Well that is one hell of a fucking take. Jesus.

We are just super primed for facism aren’t we?

People suck man. SMDH

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:31:39pm

re: #97 JordanRules

We are just super primed for facism aren’t we?

People suck man. SMDH

Conservatives are primed for it. Fascism is just a point on the conservative political scale. From the original America First group and JBS onward, they have been preaching fascism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:34:28pm

re: #90 JordanRules

Cool, cool, cool on firing that mediocre Kevin guy that should have never been hired and all but ummmm…

I need more vodka.

Wow, is The Atlantic going to get a piece from the person at the New York Times who wrote about the Nazi next door being just like you?

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JordanRules  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:39:30pm

re: #99 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, is The Atlantic going to get a piece from the person at the New York Times who wrote about the Nazi next door being just like you?

Not necessary it seems. They’ve staked out their own normalization and complicit corner and are leaning in to the dangerous bullshit too.

I am not impressed with their EiC.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:53:15pm

re: #94 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Sounds like the article was written by a Bernie supporter.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:57:39pm
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sagehen  Apr 7, 2018 • 10:58:12pm

re: #83 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That “new” textbook is older than either of her parents.

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fern01  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:01:07pm

re: #50 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The damned Secret Service has a constant presence in the building. They are a law enforcement agency, they have a duty protect all people from harm.
How do they let this happen?

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We don’t have any secret service in my building, but we do have an alarm system that tells you to get out - also have sprinklers. also have regular test of the alarms & floor wardens and evacuation tests. Also have notices on each floor about exit procedures. Not sure what the SS has to do with evacuation procedures in event of fire.

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sagehen  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:01:44pm

re: #94 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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How very… Bernie-bro of the writer.

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JordanRules  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:03:00pm
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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:09:17pm
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Amory Blaine  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:35:05pm

re: #90 JordanRules

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:36:32pm

Did Democrats doom themselves by not demanding death penalty for women who get abortions?

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Targetpractice  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:38:42pm

DNC is winning major elections, the GOP are scared shitless about their prospects in November, which means it’s time for another “THE DNC IS DOOMED UNLESS IT APPEALS TO OLD WHITE MEN!!!” hot take.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:40:16pm

re: #108 Amory Blaine

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Bought by the Emerson Collective last year, whose President and founder is Laurene Powell, Steve Jobs’ widow.

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Kragar  Apr 7, 2018 • 11:44:15pm
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Kragar  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:16:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:25:20am

re: #113 Kragar

Ted Nugent says Democrats should be shot.

…

If a Republican shoots at me, I hope it’s Ted Nugent because he hasn’t had a hit in decades.

But he knows how to keep his name in the news

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:35:06am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And that’s not him being media savvy or reviving his career. It’s just trash media. Many of the young activists have no idea who he is.

That joke was a hit!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:37:57am

re: #113 Kragar

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There were plenty of potential targets for him in Vietnam but he chose to shit himself instead.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:37:53am

I really like RyKy’s Knife channel….

The World’s Most Wanted Japanese Gyuto Chef Knife

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:51:54am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:53:57am

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

Isn’t a settler coming from another country considered an immigrant? I is confused.

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:56:56am

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

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Does anyone wanna take a sec and break out an American History book to show Dinesh that there were already millions of people living on this continent when those “settlers” showed up and began a generational campaign of genocidal conquest until they’d pushed the former inhabitants of this continent into “reservations”?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 2:13:50am

re: #119 wheat-dogg

Isn’t a settler coming from another country considered an immigrant? I is confused.

“Settler” has multiple definitions, which was the joke. Mrs. D’Sousa “settled” by marrying Dinesh D’Felon.

It is also a synonym for “immigrant.”

thesaurus.com

alien
foreigner
migrant
newcomer
settler
colonist

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 2:16:04am

What D’Felon was trying to do was segregate “settlers” (defined as the first people who colonised the nation and took the land from those already here) from “immigrants” (as people who came later, with the unspoken assertion of “they didn’t deserve to be here because they didn’t work to establish the country”)

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Targetpractice  Apr 8, 2018 • 2:35:48am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

What D’Felon was trying to do was segregate “settlers” (defined as the first people who colonised the nation and took the land from those already here) from “immigrants” (as people who came later, with the unspoken assertion of “they didn’t deserve to be here because they didn’t work to establish the country”)

He’s trying to suggest that it was the “settlers” who built America and everybody who has come since are “immigrants” who did nothing to contribute to America’s greatness. I hate to break it to him, but pretty much all the colonies from Jamestown onward relied strongly upon shiploads of new people showing up before they became self-reliant.

And guess what, “chain migration” was a large part of what made America successful. Men would go ahead to help establish new colonies or make a place for themselves in an existing one, then they’d send for their families to join them. Entire clans would make the journey to reunite with their loved ones who’d already prepared a place for them in the New World. And sometimes *gasp!* they might even take wives from the native tribes, with their children being considered citizens of the Crown from birth!

Oh, the horror.////////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 3:01:46am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

What D’Felon was trying to do was segregate “settlers” (defined as the first people who colonised the nation and took the land from those already here) from “immigrants” (as people who came later, with the unspoken assertion of “they didn’t deserve to be here because they didn’t work to establish the country”)

I remember the last time I went back to visit Phoenix and looked out at the urban sprawl extending for miles and miles out into what had once been desert.

And before I could get upset about it I recalled that I had also moved there back in the 70’s just as the massive sprawl was really getting started.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 3:03:17am

re: #123 Targetpractice

And guess what, “chain migration” was a large part of what made America successful.

Both of my grandparents on my father’s side came to America from Europe because they were sent over by their families to live with relatives, my grandmother was sent over from Croatia to marry some fellow in Cleveland

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 8, 2018 • 3:13:44am

Inciting shooters seems to be a hot trend on the right:

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 3:15:30am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Both of my grandparents on my father’s side came to America from Europe because they were sent over by their families to live with relatives, my grandmother was sent over from Croatia to marry some fellow in Cleveland

This whole Trump argument of “chain migration” (and I’m betting someone taught him that term) is more division from conservatives about immigrants being unworthy of coming to the USA. (We’ll skip the for the moment his own wife’s family would qualify under that definition because IOKIYAR.)

It also denigrates people already here who benefited from family reunification.

The whole idea of ending family reunification is like hanging a big sign that says “closed” on the Statue of Liberty, or a big in-your-face conservative foghorn to immigrants of “I got mine, FU.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 3:20:23am

We need comprehensive immigration reform

We need to rethink our trade policy so that it benefits American workers and consumers

We need to reform our tax system to encourage growth

But that is not accomplished by electing a fellow with no history of public service and very little idea of how trade, immigration or tax policy actually work.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 8, 2018 • 3:41:35am

re: #123 Targetpractice

He’s trying to suggest that it was the “settlers” who built America and everybody who has come since are “immigrants” who did nothing to contribute to America’s greatness. I hate to break it to him, but pretty much all the colonies from Jamestown onward relied strongly upon shiploads of new people showing up before they became self-reliant.

And guess what, “chain migration” was a large part of what made America successful. Men would go ahead to help establish new colonies or make a place for themselves in an existing one, then they’d send for their families to join them. Entire clans would make the journey to reunite with their loved ones who’d already prepared a place for them in the New World. And sometimes *gasp!* they might even take wives from the native tribes, with their children being considered citizens of the Crown from birth!

Oh, the horror.////////

For instance, my mother’s parents were each the youngest of several siblings who had already come to the USA years earlier. Their parents, however, stayed in the old country and died there.

My father’s maternal grandfather, OTOH, came to Moose Jaw with his eldest son to settle there, and within a few years had managed to bring over his daughter-in-law, wife and other children to join them.

IOW, how immigration works.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 3:51:57am

re: #126 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Inciting shooters seems to be a hot trend on the right:

deep down inside they dream of a wall of hot lead

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 8, 2018 • 4:01:34am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

What D’Felon was trying to do was segregate “settlers” (defined as the first people who colonised the nation and took the land from those already here) from “immigrants” (as people who came later, with the unspoken assertion of “they didn’t deserve to be here because they didn’t work to establish the country”)

So “settlers” in this sense can be restated as “invaders”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 4:20:37am

re: #131 Eventual Carrion

So “settlers” in this sense can be restated as “invaders”.

Pretty much. Explains Trump’s tortilla curtain as well.

This is sort of the end game of decades of conservatives bashing immigrants, everything from “they don’t assimilate” (we are the Borg) to “English-only amendments” to open racism or bigotry. (This has been going on longer than I’ve been alive: The 1924 Immigration Act was one of the wildly racist immigration laws passed, on par with the Chinese Exclusion Act.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2018 • 4:41:46am

What. The. Fuck. has happened at The Atlantic?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 4:44:29am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

What. The. Fuck. has happened at The Atlantic?

Did the Democrats doom themselves by embracing civil rights?

This is sounding like a new tack to the “Plantation” talking points…

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 4:45:25am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

What. The. Fuck. has happened at The Atlantic?

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Smells like Bernie Bro bullshit to me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 4:47:15am

” …did the Democrats doom themselves to lose much of the white middle class simply by demanding equal rights for black people? If that’s the case, then racism is so deeply inscribed in the American soul, as much of the party’s left claims today, that a Democratic majority can only be founded on a coalition of the disadvantaged and the high-minded…”

This is as far as I got before saying “whoa WTF”?

But the rest of the article is about the whites who subjectively feel that they have lost something because blacks and minorities have gained.

It does not maintain that they actually have lost anything, but that the Democrats have to address why they feel that way if they want to gain votes, the GOP has figured out how to address them (using the rhetoric of George Wallace) and made impressive gains.

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jeffreyw  Apr 8, 2018 • 4:53:44am

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Good morning!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:06:07am

He’s triggered this morning. What did the WaPo say about him?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:14:32am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

He’s triggered this morning. What did the WaPo say about him?

He is amazing for his inability to recognize that as President, he is supposed to be above certain things and leave others to speak for him…

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wheat-dogg  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:16:24am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

He’s triggered this morning. What did the WaPo say about him?

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WaPo reported that Kelly had to be dissuaded from quitting out of frustration.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:17:59am

re: #140 wheat-dogg

WaPo reported that Kelly had to be dissuaded from quitting out of frustration.

I found it.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:21:49am

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

I’m amazed he has lasted as long as he has.

Now he’s in Donnie’s cross hairs, and will probably be sacked for causing embarrassment.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:22:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:32:20am

re: #143 wheat-dogg

As an English person watching the US on Twitter from Japan, I feel like I’m watching a battlefield through a keyhole. As such, I’d be grateful if anyone could leave comments below describing the atmosphere there, their personal experience, and what has changed since Jan 20, 2017.

I am an American expat watching my country through the keyhole of the media and the Internet.

What I see are extremist views and outrageous, unsubstantiated statements going unchallenged my much of the press and media, and even discussed as if they had any merit.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:48:22am

re: #138 The Vicious Babushka

He’s triggered this morning. What did the WaPo say about him?

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Not about him, but long article about how Kelly has been boxed out and does it matter anyway because Kelly has a habit of lying to his staff and shitting on people (e.g. Tillerson). I don’t have a link; it was in our local paper this morning.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:48:44am

re: #141 The Vicious Babushka

I found it.

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Oops. Yeah, that’s the one.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:56:41am

re: #146 Barefoot Grin

Oops. Yeah, that’s the one.

It’s hard to keep up with the chaos.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:01:27am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

” …did the Democrats doom themselves to lose much of the white middle class simply by demanding equal rights for black people? If that’s the case, then racism is so deeply inscribed in the American soul, as much of the party’s left claims today, that a Democratic majority can only be founded on a coalition of the disadvantaged and the high-minded…”

This is as far as I got before saying “whoa WTF”?

But the rest of the article is about the whites who subjectively feel that they have lost something because blacks and minorities have gained.

It does not maintain that they actually have lost anything, but that the Democrats have to address why they feel that way if they want to gain votes, the GOP has figured out how to address them (using the rhetoric of George Wallace) and made impressive gains.

And I read that paragraph and and thought it mirrored what I was thinking. To me, it was the push for Civil Rights for minorities that cost the Democrats the white vote in the 60s, because how do you otherwise explain the party that passed Medicare and Medicaid starts losing elections. And as long as a majority of voting whites are racists, you aren’t going to be able to bring them into the Democratic party, and as long as they remain the consistent majority of voters - those who go to the polls for every election - Democrats are going to struggle to get votes. And they’re not going to get voters based on their ideas of economic improvement and fairness, they’re going to get the voters who oppose what Republicans want to do to “the disadvantaged”: women, minorities, LGBTQ.

And it if wasn’t the push for Civil Rights that has cost them elections, then the party is really messed up.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:12:27am

re: #148 Belafon

“a Democratic majority can only be founded on a coalition of the disadvantaged and the high-minded…”

He forgot to mention people who don’t want white collar looters in charge of the national treasury.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:14:28am

re: #149 jaunte

He forgot to mention people who don’t want white collar looters in charge of the national treasury.

Isn’t that the motto of the Republican party every time a Democrat is in the White House?

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:15:29am

How “high-minded” do you have to be to agree that fire suppression in a high rise building is worth paying for?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:17:16am

re: #94 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You mean we embraced all who live in this country regardless of skin color? If Working Class Whites find that threatening, I don’t want their votes. And it’s a shit piece too because it flat out assumes all immigrants are cheap labor. I’ve had immigrant doctors, work for and among immigrant attorneys, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:21:06am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

You mean we embraced all who live in this country regardless of skin color? If Working Class Whites find that threatening, I don’t want their votes. And it’s a shit piece too because it flat out assumes all immigrants are cheap labor. I’ve had immigrant doctors, work for and among immigrant attorneys, etc.

A lot of white people feel threatened or disadvantaged by immigrants, and the GOP bases a lot of its messaging on those threats and fears.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:22:24am

re: #119 wheat-dogg

Isn’t a settler coming from another country considered an immigrant? I is confused.

Since this is the second time I’ve seen someone here refer to a Republican trying to separate immigrant and settler, I’m assuming this is the new thing among Republicans.

If they want to go down this path, then any person born in America today isn’t an American because they didn’t settle it.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:23:39am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of white people feel threatened or disadvantaged by immigrants, and the GOP bases a lot of its messaging on those threats and fears.

And a lot of those same voters will openly tell you that America is a white man’s country.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:23:47am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of white people feel threatened or disadvantaged by immigrants, and the GOP bases a lot of its messaging on those threats and fears.

Yep and that’s their problem. And before James calls someone like me a cosmopolitan elite or whatever stupid buzzword, my father waited tables for much of my childhood. He had many immigrant coworkers. If white blue collars are threatened by immigrants, that’s on them only.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:24:25am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

And a lot of those same voters will openly tell you that America is a white man’s country.

Yep but we’re supposed to coddle them and tell them it’s not their fault.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:25:42am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

And a lot of those same voters will openly tell you that America is a Christian white man’s country.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:28:56am

The difference between the two words really is that settler only implies in a new country. But Dinesh is foolish to ignore the role of immigrants literally building this country in the industrial revolution whether they were Chinese rail workers, Irish canal workers, Eastern European miners, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:30:16am

re: #154 Belafon

Since this is the second time I’ve seen someone here refer to a Republican trying to separate immigrant and settler, I’m assuming this is the new thing among Republicans.

If they want to go down this path, then any person born in America today isn’t an American because they didn’t settle it.

There’s a slight difference but not for Dinesh to be a pedantic asshole. Btw by his own standards, he should leave, he’s an immigrant.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:32:25am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

What. The. Fuck. has happened at The Atlantic?

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I’d have to wonder if they’re simply letting their freak flag fly and joining the enemy.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:32:33am

Let’s see though. Fourth great grandfather arrived in the Washington presidency. His third great grandson- my Dad’s grandmother in law, mom’s grandmother emigrated a few years after WWI. They and all in between contributed to building this nation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:33:52am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Let’s see though. Fourth great grandfather arrived in the Washington presidency. His third great grandson- my Dad’s grandmother in law, mom’s grandmother emigrated a few years after WWI. They and all in between contributed to building this nation.

It is implied in those comments that immigrants come to either mooch off the social system, terrorize us with crime or take jobs from hard-working natives.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:35:47am

I’ve said it here before but the onus is on these white voters. No one is saying they have to resent PoC, feminists, & immigrants. They can realize independently that those groups are far less against them than the fat cat assholes who drive the GOP bus.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:36:08am

Just got a BBC Breaking News Alert that Trump “lashes out at Russia, Iran and Assad over Syria suspected chemical attack and warns of a ‘big price to pay’”.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:36:51am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is implied in those comments that immigrants come to either mooch off the social system, terrorize us with crime or take jobs from hard-working natives.

The only crime my mom’s grandmother did was probably cooking with too much cabbage but I’m sure her neighbors didn’t mind.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:40:08am

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

Just got a BBC Breaking News Alert that Trump “lashes out at Russia, Iran and Assad over Syria suspected chemical attack and warns of a ‘big price to pay’”.

Yes, but it gives no more details

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:42:32am

If we lost white voters by embracing civil rights, equality, & immigrants than I say it’s a pity those voters thought we were their party to start with.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:43:46am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

If we lost white voters by embracing civil rights, equality, & immigrants than I say it’s a pity those voters thought we were their party to start with.

A lot of people put a lot of work in getting them to see “us vs them” in terms of skin color instead of in wealth and privilege.

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The Major  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:49:00am

re: #51 gocart mozart

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:51:21am

re: #165 Dr Lizardo

Just got a BBC Breaking News Alert that Trump “lashes out at Russia, Iran and Assad over Syria suspected chemical attack and warns of a ‘big price to pay’”.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:53:28am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of people put a lot of work in getting them to see “us vs them” in terms of skin color instead of in wealth and privilege.

Yep and those are real elites like the author of that Atlantic bs piece that wants to convince its readers that Humphrey screwed the Dems by strongly embracing civil rights and ignore that conservatives like the GOP have consistently been on the wrong side of economic matters of importance to the average American.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:55:11am

re: #171 JordanRules

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So Donald are you going to let people in fleeing “Animal Assad” & did Vlad say nicknames for your fellow Putin ass puppets were okay?

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BigPapa  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:55:21am

Trump just mentioned pulling out of Syria days ago, then this.

Israel Snipers Gone Wild, Bibi knows Trump DGAF.

The vacuum of US statecraft is in full bloom.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 6:59:51am

re: #171 JordanRules

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Lawd the praise for this statement is already dialed up. It’s like they’re congratulating a child for using the big boy toilet for the first time.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:00:52am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:03:15am

re: #171 JordanRules

Trump may be sensitive to such things - he grew up in an era where the use of poison gas against civilians (in this case, the Shoah) was universally reviled and condemned as nothing less than the gravest atrocity imaginable. After all, he was born in 1946 and by his formative years, I’m sure this universal revulsion would’ve left an impression on him. This isn’t the first time - the use of chemical weapons against civilians….especially kids…..seems to set him off.

It may well be the one shred of human decency he has.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:07:30am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:11:33am

re: #178 jaunte

I agree he probably didn’t write it. In addition to style/vocabulary being atypical, Trump does not care about humanitarian or medical aid, and of course the Putin line stands out. I’m wondering what’s up and if it has to do with Bolton’s impending arrival.

Aaand I think we have a winner. I can’t help but wonder if Bolton talked to Trump in the aftermath of this apparent chem attack.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:14:40am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Trump may be sensitive to such things - he grew up in an era where the use of poison gas against civilians (in this case, the Shoah) was universally reviled and condemned as nothing less than the gravest atrocity imaginable. After all, he was born in 1946 and by his formative years, I’m sure this universal revulsion would’ve left an impression on him. This isn’t the first time - the use of chemical weapons against civilians….especially kids…..seems to set him off.

It may well be the one shred of human decency he has.

I don’t believe he has a historic or humane viewpoint, I really don’t.
I don’t think he’s ever really thought about the Shoah like the rest of us and I believe he listens to Steven Miller and Steve Bannon.
I think the pictures from the previous attack did set him off momentarily then I believe he went back to not really caring about anything but himself and eating Big Macs.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:17:21am

I know he was less addled back in 2013 when he sent this out but I believe someone was ‘informing’ his tweets even back then.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:21:03am
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retired cynic  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:27:09am

re: #143 wheat-dogg

Wonderful thread. I liked this one:

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:27:23am

re: #182 JordanRules

Is he gonna blow up a third-rate airstrip again?

Or maybe that whole “go big or go home” thing…..and hit Damascus.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:28:56am

I finished the Atlantic article. I think we have become the party of collective responsibility. Unlike his wishy-washy stuff in the middle, I don’t think we abandon it (he tries to recover in the last sentence of the article).

We’ve had recent debates about forced busing. There are some here that oppose it. I can see how it would have caused those in places like Massachusetts to go “I’m not racist, so why are you making me send my kids to a different school.” I see that around here in my home. The poorest area in town is actually right next to one of the most affluent areas in town. A lot of Latino families live in the poor area, so the city buses them to a farther away elementary school under the guise of putting all of those who need help with English in the same school. When my wife worked on a committee to draw school boundaries, the guy who ran it actually stated that they couldn’t make the Latino kids go to the closer school because how would we tell all those other kids they had to change schools.

No, I do not at all think that Democrats need to go after the racist white vote.

But there is an interesting question: Who should a party supposed to respond to? Just voters? Can a party stick to its ideals if it loses elections? Should it?

And I’m going to answer that by saying this: I’m hoping enough voters are woke after Trump’s election that they stop thinking that they can just ride things out, that everything that happens are other people’s problems. I don’t put most of the blame of the failure of the Democratic party to get it’s agenda through on the party. I mostly blame voters for being inattentive and having no vision of what racists will do.

Edited slightly for grammar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:34:25am

re: #185 Belafon

and again, those who managed to frame the “us vs them” argument in terms of race instead of in wealth, privilege and economic interests.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:36:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:38:14am

Trump’s Syria tweets came in response to a Fox and Friends segment this AM.

If Trump should launch missiles, it is because Fox and Friends told him to.

We cannot possibly overstate how insane and disastrous for command of our military that would be.

This is perfectly normal in the New Media Reality that we heralded in with the election of President Trump

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:38:28am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and again, those who managed to frame the “us vs them” argument in terms of race instead of in wealth, privilege and economic interests.

Whites will have to get over the idea that being poor is just a temporary condition here in the US.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:39:10am

re: #187 JordanRules

Trump’s Syria tweets came in response to a Fox and Friends segment this AM.

If Trump should launch missiles, it is because Fox and Friends told him to.

We cannot possibly overstate how insane and disastrous for command of our military that would be.

Yeah, no shit.

A bunch of empty-headed yammering jackholes on F&F more or less dictating American military policy/foreign policy/what have you?

Yikes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:42:57am

(Based on an Internet discussion) According to Bill Moyers, after signing the CRA, Johnson said to him “I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come”. In the popular media, that has long been phrased as “We have lost the South for a generation”. So this issue had long been a problem. Democrats dominated the country in the 20th century when they cared about the poor — but only poor whites. We need to get the poor and disenfranchised together — regardless of their heritage.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:43:15am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump’s Syria tweets came in response to a Fox and Friends segment this AM.

If Trump should launch missiles, it is because Fox and Friends told him to.

We cannot possibly overstate how insane and disastrous for command of our military that would be.

This is perfectly normal in the New Media Reality that we heralded in with the election of President Trump

Same media reality cheerleaded us into Iraq. It’s not new and not unique to 45 unfortunately.
It is absolutely insane and disastrous.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:45:31am

re: #190 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, no shit.

A bunch of empty-headed yammering jackholes on F&F more or less dictating American military policy/foreign policy/what have you?

Yikes.

That’s only because we have an empty-headed yammering jackhole in the White House.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:45:57am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:48:56am

re: #194 JordanRules

As always, there’s a Trump Tweet for everything!

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:49:25am

re: #191 Hecuba’s daughter

We need to get the poor and disenfranchised together — regardless of their heritage.

Still working on this, because most poor whites see poor blacks and Latinos as their enemies, not their allies, because they’ve been convinced that all the work they do would get them to the top if only the others weren’t in their way. Total myth, but they believe it. And I wonder if anything short of a Great Depression can fix it. (A secret, though: A lot of those poor racist whites - and there are plenty of those in my family - don’t actually work all that hard. They just want what they think is coming to them.)

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:52:55am

re: #196 Belafon

Racism is a helluva drug.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:55:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:55:14am

re: #192 JordanRules

Same media reality cheerleaded us into Iraq. It’s not new and not unique to 45 unfortunately.
It is absolutely insane and disastrous.

you have a point, but it seems to have grown even more extreme in what it will accept as normal and even cheer on

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 7:59:32am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you have a point, but it seems to have grown even more extreme in what it will accept as normal and even cheer on

For sure! The speed at which everything is falling apart now and the way the extremes are being normalized on a really large scale is nightmare inducing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:08:51am

re: #196 Belafon

Still working on this, because most poor whites see poor blacks and Latinos as their enemies, not their allies, because they’ve been convinced that all the work they do would get them to the top if only the others weren’t in their way. Total myth, but they believe it. And I wonder if anything short of a Great Depression Civil War can fix it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:17:33am

Rock= Syria continually commits war crimes including those well beyond the military strike red line.
Hard Place=Trump is President and cannot be trusted.

Two outcomes-Assad can continue as before, or we have an ill chosen battle on. When our military is less capable than in decades.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:18:58am

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is amazing for his inability to recognize that as President, he is supposed to be above certain things and leave others to speak for him…

His Ego will not let him do that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:21:06am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #196 Belafon
Still working on this, because most poor whites see poor blacks and Latinos as their enemies, not their allies, because they’ve been convinced that all the work they do would get them to the top if only the others weren’t in their way. Total myth, but they believe it. And I wonder if anything short of a Great Depression Civil War can fix it.

Yep — the Civil War did not solve the problems. (The Great Depression didn’t, either.) African-Americans may have been freed from official slavery but they remained under officially sanctioned discrimination for another 100 years and still, over 50 years after the CRA, the discrimination persists, aided by many religious leaders as well as secular bigots. I would say we needed another Martin Luther King, but the first was assassinated and characterized by the Chicago Tribune of the day as an “incendiarist”.

We need leaders who preach love not hate, community not disunity, and cooperation and not Ayn Randism. Clearly no one in the GOP need apply since none appear capable of this message, except occasionally Kasich..

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:29:48am

So given whom is President here, Assad gets away with this and only endures angry words and a ineffective UN sanction, maybe. If Russia does not veto. Just effing lovely.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:30:21am
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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:31:23am

Dog prepares to wag.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:32:58am

another old tweet:

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dangerman  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:41:09am

i havent been able to keep up with the feed these last few days
i just kind of jump in and out when i can - full update tomorrow

so apologies if i’m late to the party:

in case it isnt painfully over-obvious, trump has in fact just killed someone on fifth avenue

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:41:39am

re: #206 jaunte

“I want to use the biggest planes and boats and bombs that we have! Oh oh oh and let’s use some of those parachute guys with machine guns that always look cool in the movies! We gotta have the fastest military, the fastest. And I want booms, big booms! Hey can we maybe use some of those laser guided bomb thingies?? Those are SO COOL!”

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:44:27am

Well that’s that Assad can act with impunity.
thedrive.com

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stpaulbear  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:47:50am

re: #151 jaunte

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How “high-minded” do you have to be to agree that fire suppression in a high rise building is worth paying for?

They’d rather take the chance of injury/death by fire over having all their stuff ruined by water.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:48:07am

re: #209 dangerman

i havent been able to keep up with the feed these last few days
i just kind of jump in and out when i can - full update tomorrow

so apologies if i’m late to the party:

in case it isnt painfully over-obvious, trump has in fact just killed someone on fifth avenue

Trump has been slaughtering people world-wide without any concern. Our worthless MSM doesn’t seem to care either. How many have died needlessly in Puerto Rico because he didn’t care? How many people are dying because he either isn’t helping or the “unleashed” military is bombing them? How many others will be dying due to his damage to the ACA?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:49:31am

re: #206 jaunte

re: #207 jaunte

Dog prepares to wag.

Also, tomorrow, John Bolton comes in as National Security Adviser. I presume that Syria will be on the agenda.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:50:09am

re: #212 stpaulbear

They’d rather take the chance of injury/death by fire over having all their stuff ruined by water.

Which is funny because a wet person can live easily. A person on fire however…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 8, 2018 • 8:52:58am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

What. The. Fuck. has happened at The Atlantic?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:10:47am

Did the Democrats regain their soul by helping people?

Why is this up for a fucking debate?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:12:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:14:18am

re: #217 I Would Prefer Not To

Did the Democrats regain their soul by helping people?

Why is this up for a fucking debate?

Southern Democrats were only Southern Democrats because they flat-out refused to vote for the Party of Lincoln until it became the party of Goldwater/Nixon.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:15:39am

China imposes a tariff of $1244 per ounce on incoming gold jewelry from here as of about 3 years ago. Right now the current answer is buried below some number of Google pages about the current debate.

Forget who was or is President. What would be the policy the jewelry industry should advocate? Or does jewelry just take another one for the team and miss out on 1 billion potential customers in the middle and upper class over there?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:17:00am

infrastructure week strikes again…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:19:56am

So the Atlantic thinks that both parties should duke it out for the votes of white people and fuck everyone else?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:21:08am

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

infrastructure week strikes again…

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photo in the tweet doesn’t indicate the extent of the damage, video at the link is really impressive.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:22:31am

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

So the Atlantic thinks that both parties should duke it out for the votes of white people and fuck everyone else?

Oh dang where is my +100 graphic when I need it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:26:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:27:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:29:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:31:11am
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Citizen K  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:32:10am

If the ‘mistake’ Dems made that have cost them election after election is to treat minorities, women, gays, etc. like they should be equal persons, and that the only answer to electoral success is to shuck that aside forever, then America isn’t worth fighting for. We will prove ourselves as a truly incurable, hopelessly racist, xenophobic, sexist, etc. country that will never even properly fake caring about those that aren’t white men.

And I’m not sure I want to be part of that country if the only way to win is to embrace that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:33:25am

juanitajean.com

Tom Delay (R-TX), House Speaker who led the so-called Reagan Revolution until he was indicted and convicted (later overturned) of conspiracy to violate election law, has sunk to a new low: grifty preacher.

Juanita Jean caught him in a really bad photo doing street preaching in Sugar Land, Texas.

She links to some of his grifty schemes he’s been in since his fall from grace in the GOP (meaning he got caught), none of which seemed to work out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:34:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:35:45am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:42:55am

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sounds like Trump Tower is a damn firetrap. A Towering Inferno in waiting.

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dangerman  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:44:53am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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” racists’ grievances”
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Odious and asinine concept

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:45:55am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

Sounds like Trump Tower is a damn firetrap. A Towering Inferno in waiting.

And Mr. “Billionaire” just cannot spend the money to update it. Maybe the Russians aren’t providing him the resources to retrofit the building. Oh wait — President Psychopath really doesn’t care.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:49:51am

re: #235 Hecuba’s daughter

And Mr. “Billionaire” just cannot spend the money to update it. Maybe the Russians aren’t providing him the resources to retrofit the building. Oh wait — President Psychopath really doesn’t care.

To me at least it’s frankly shocking that a high-rise building (commercial or residential) would even be allowed to be built in a major American metro area without fire suppression systems.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:50:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:51:03am

re: #234 dangerman

” racists’ grievances”

Odious and asinine concept

I am willing to concede that at least some of these people are not so much racist as simply brainwashed by cynical politicians into believing that their problems come from minorities having more, therefore leaving them with less.

“Us versus them” based on race rather than privilege and business interests.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:52:06am
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:53:32am

re: #239 JordanRules

Will it be a real hit list this time or just more Kabuki theater like last year’s strike?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:54:43am

re: #237 JordanRules

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Dumb, racist, & ignorant.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:55:02am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because whites are the default, obviously.

And that really is the rub of the article. I thought the initial premise was promising: Democrats voted to take care of all Americans and have been punished for it ever since. But then it went down the path that it’s not really white America’s fault, but Democrats and minorities.

Screw that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:56:21am

re: #236 Dr Lizardo

To me at least it’s frankly shocking that a high-rise building (commercial or residential) would even be allowed to be built in a major American metro area without fire suppression systems.

Building was built before current fire laws were in effect. My impression is thanks to pushback by developers like Trump, there isn’t a law to force owners of residential real estate to retrofit their buildings.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:57:34am

re: #237 JordanRules

White’s aren’t on welfare, they’re on “temporary earned benefits to get them to the next paycheck, which will be huge.” //

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:58:29am

re: #242 Belafon

Because whites are the default, obviously.

And that really is the rub of the article. I thought the initial premise was promising: Democrats voted to take care of all Americans and have been punished for it ever since. But then it went down the path that it’s not really white America’s fault, but Democrats and minorities.

Screw that.

Trump and his minions are doing their best to stop the transformation of this nation into a majority minority country; they want to make sure that whites always retain control.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 9:59:31am

re: #240 Hecuba’s daughter

Will it be a real hit list this time or just more Kabuki theater like last year’s strike?

I bet all the wrong people will get a heads up either way.
My Sunday cynicism is on high!

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:00:59am

Looks like Donald Trump is gonna become President again

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:01:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:02:44am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:05:27am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

What if we DO understand their grievances already?

What if we know that their explanation for what happened to their hopes and dreams is wrong, that they weren’t taken away by sharing power and privilege with women and minorities, but by the economic system they voted for hoping it would preserve what was left their privilege by denying it to others?

Traub asks,

If that’s the case, then racism is so deeply inscribed in the American soul, as much of the party’s left claims today, that a Democratic majority can only be founded on a coalition of the disadvantaged and the high-minded.

What if the racism that’s so deeply inscribed in the American soul is SYSTEMIC racism? What if it’s not the racism of slavery, lynching, and Jim Crow, but rather the racism that many white people can’t see, the racism that makes 12 year old black boys playing with bb guns into imagined gangbangers, that makes any black protest into a riot, that causes hiring managers to unconsciously down-rate an excellent resume because of the name attached to it, that dismisses claims of discrimination because that would mean you didn’t get where you are solely by your own effort?

The GOP has played the long con here, simultaneously stoking white resentment with dogwhistles and destroying the economic system that supported the rise of the largely white middle class.

The Democrats have to be about more than just Old White Guy Socialism.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:06:33am

re: #243 Hecuba’s daughter

Building was built before current fire laws were in effect. My impression is thanks to pushback by developers like Trump, there isn’t a law to force owners of residential real estate to retrofit their buildings.

Fuck that noise. That’s horrific.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:10:01am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

And what’s more remarkable about that piece in The Atlantic was as noted by a commentator to the original tweet, the GOP the same year also had civil rights language in their own platform. Both parties at the time we pretty much on the same page.

Then the GOP started pandering to racists under Goldwater, Nixon, and Reagan to gain a block of votes both parties had abandoned.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:17:50am

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹

And what’s more remarkable about that piece in The Atlantic was as noted by a commentator to the original tweet, the GOP the same year also had civil rights language in their own platform. Both parties at the time we pretty much on the same page.

Then the GOP started pandering to racists under Goldwater, Nixon, and Reagan to gain a block of votes both parties had abandoned.

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And George Wallace was there to take up the slack where the parties “failed to address their concerns”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:17:58am

re: #250 Blind Frog Belly White

What if we DO understand their grievances already?

What if we know that their explanation for what happened to their hopes and dreams is wrong, that they weren’t taken away by sharing power and privilege with women and minorities, but by the economic system they voted for hoping it would preserve what was left their privilege by denying it to others?

Traub asks,

What if the racism that’s so deeply inscribed in the American soul is SYSTEMIC racism? What if it’s not the racism of slavery, lynching, and Jim Crow, but rather the racism that many white people can’t see, the racism that makes 12 year old black boys playing with bb guns into imagined gangbangers, that makes any black protest into a riot, that causes hiring managers to unconsciously down-rate an excellent resume because of the name attached to it, that dismisses claims of discrimination because that would mean you didn’t get where you are solely by your own effort?

The GOP has played the long con here, simultaneously stoking white resentment with dogwhistles and destroying the economic system that supported the rise of the largely white middle class.

The Democrats have to be about more than just Old White Guy Socialism.

Too many in white America are afraid to be honest about racism and it’s unfortunate because we need this conversation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:19:51am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Too many in white America are afraid to be honest about racism and it’s unfortunate because we need this conversation.

there is individual racism and systemic racism, some people flee into the argument that “I’m not racist, I have black friends” and refuse to see the bigger issues, others insist that Democrats are keeping blacks “on the plantation” with government giveaways just to buy their votes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:22:34am

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course the reality is that, even if Democrats aren’t doing as well as they should be to address the needs of minorities, it’s pretty clear they are the only party that gives a shit about them anymore.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:22:39am

When it comes to retrofitting these buildings the costs will be passed onto the tenants and condo owners and I’m not sure they’re all that motivated to pony up either. I think most people will think “that won’t happen here”

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Citizen K  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:23:11am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Too many in white America are afraid to be honest about racism and it’s unfortunate because we need this conversation.

The problem I fear is that even if confronted, even if it’s laid out clear as day, that the majority will stare, shrug, and let it go precisely because ‘it won’t affect me’, and let it go, or even outright embrace it precisely because ‘it’ll never affect me’.

I fear constantly that when push comes to shove, America really will chose Racism overtly every time. That we really are a hopelessly racist country at its core, and that the backlash to changing it really will win in the end every time.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:23:33am

re: #257 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

When it comes to retrofitting these buildings the costs will be passed onto the tenants and condo owners and I’m not sure they’re all that motivated to pony up either. I think most people will think “that won’t happen here”

Sad but true.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:24:58am

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there is individual racism and systemic racism, some people flee into the argument that “I’m not racist, I have black friends” and refuse to see the bigger issues, others insist that Democrats are keeping blacks “on the plantation” with government giveaways just to buy their votes.

Correct. They think racism has to be KKK level to be bad but don’t see how individual racism is just if not more insidious.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:25:37am

re: #258 Citizen K

The problem I fear is that even if confronted, even if it’s laid out clear as day, that the majority will stare, shrug, and let it go precisely because ‘it won’t affect me’, and let it go, or even outright embrace it precisely because ‘it’ll never affect me’.

I fear constantly that when push comes to shove, America really will chose Racism overtly every time. That we really are a hopelessly racist country at its core, and that the backlash to changing it really will win in the end every time.

I have days where I’m optimistic and days where I’m a cynic.

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Interesting Times  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:28:19am

Remember the infamous “We’re voting for the n*****” couple from 2008? Those are the kind of racist white people that the Democrats could still win, because they seem to be motivated by 60% economic concerns, 40% racism. The ones who are the reverse (or too well-off anyway to be motivated by genuine economic anxiety) are a complete lost cause and not worth pursuing in any way, shape, or form.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:28:38am

re: #257 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN
But it does happen and failing to install is unconscionable.

How much does a fire sprinkler system cost?
The price of a fire sprinkler system varies based on the size and type of fire sprinklers you install. In general, here are the costs you can expect:
$1 to $2 per sprinklered square foot for new construction projects
$2 to $7 per sprinklered square foot for retrofitting existing homes and businesses
$2 to $4 per sprinklered square foot for retrofitting high-rise buildings
Up to $10 per sprinklered square foot for retrofitting historic buildings

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Interesting Times  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:34:25am

:/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:35:33am

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there is individual racism and systemic racism, some people flee into the argument that “I’m not racist, I have black friends” and refuse to see the bigger issues, others insist that Democrats are keeping blacks “on the plantation” with government giveaways just to buy their votes.

Individual racism is the building block of systemic racism, because so much of it is unconscious and would be denied by the person practicing it.

“It’s not racism when I do it, because ‘I’m the least racist person you’ll ever meet!’”

I was having a conversation with a friend from high school on FB, and he was saying that he’s all for racial equality, but that “Identity Politics” is a bad thing, something Hitler and Stalin did. When I tried to point out that what he calls “Identity Politics” arises from groups identified as ‘Other’ by the Default fighting AGAINST the identity Politics that’s targeted them since forever, he balked. He also couldn’t accept that the Framers of the Constitution were practicing Identity Politics.

It’s never Identity Politics when the Default does it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:36:23am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:36:35am

re: #258 Citizen K

I fear constantly that when push comes to shove, America really will chose Racism overtly every time. That we really are a hopelessly racist country at its core, and that the backlash to changing it really will win in the end every time.

Not forever it won’t. The demographic clock is ticking. Hopefully when the roles reverse the rate of change will increase.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:37:54am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s the ‘Thoughts and Prayers’ of foreign policy.

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:38:01am

re: #264 Interesting Times

:/

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Doesn’t much matter. No matter what he tweets, his puppet master in Moscow will not let him fuck with Assad in any way that will matter and his racism will keep the refugees dying over there.

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blueraven  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:39:25am

re: #263 Unshaken Defiance

But it does happen and failing to install is unconscionable.

If Trump is such a great negotiator, he should be able to get that price down, plus he would save on insurance cost and he could write it off on taxes.

No reason not to do it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:39:41am

Interesting thread with a good perspective on the Williamson thing, and why increasingly it will be difficult for Conservative writers to break out of Conservative media. It’s 9 tweets long, you have to click through.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:40:06am

re: #270 blueraven

If Trump is such a great negotiator, he should be able to get that price down, plus he would save on insurance cost and he could write it off on taxes.

No reason not to do it.

Especially since he wouldn’t pay for it anyway.

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blueraven  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:43:47am

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

Especially since he wouldn’t pay for it anyway.

Anyone in their right mind would demand more than half upfront with the balance held in a third party escrow account.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:47:37am

Sen. Laura Ebke (Libertarian-District 32) entered a bill late last year that would revise licensing requirements on 172 professions and trades, weakening or eliminating many of them (everything from horse masseuse which carries a $10,000 fine if you do that without a license, to public water operator).

The bill would also remove prohibitions on felons holding a license where the felony doesn’t relate to the job, after the terms of the conviction are completed. (For example, felony assault should not preclude a person from being a horse masseuse.)

Her reasoning for the bill (which she expects Gov. Ricketts to sign if it gets to his desk, since Ricketts’s own libertarian policy institute endorses it) is that licensing hurdles for such jobs as hair braider are excessive (the license requirements for that job were eliminated last year), and for many trades it would help reintegrate into the employment market.

The bill would also require a review of a percentage of license regulations every year, to see if they should be stiffened or loosened.

Ricketts’s Platte Institute and the ACLU both support the legislation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:48:56am

If the anxiety is caused by fear of The Other, it becomes important to believe that it’s all about economic anxiety.

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:51:49am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Correct. They think racism has to be KKK level to be bad but don’t see how individual racism is just if not more insidious.

Jodi Picoult, I think, described it well:

It’s easy to see the headwinds of racism — the obstacles that make it harder for people of color to achieve success. It’s more challenging to see the tailwinds of racism — the ways that being white makes it easier to achieve success.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:52:05am

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Exactly. States have cracked down on immigrants and so the immigrants left. After they did - SURPRISE - the whites didn’t want those jobs (or they sucked at them).

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:54:59am

j re: #276 BeachDem

Jodi Picoult, I think, described it well:

It’s easy to see the headwinds of racism — the obstacles that make it harder for people of color to achieve success. It’s more challenging to see the tailwinds of racism — the ways that being white makes it easier to achieve success.

I gave up reading Jodi Picoult several years ago, maybe because of a book that dipped into the supernatural, but she does have great insight into people.

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JordanRules  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:56:06am

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Then they change the definition of immigrant and turn their neighbor into the ‘other’.

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BeachDem  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:57:45am

re: #278 Hecuba’s daughter

j

I gave up reading Jodi Picoult several years ago, maybe because of a book that dipped into the supernatural, but she does have great insight into people.

Try her latest, Small Great Things.

Here’s her Time article about writing it

time.com

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 10:58:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:00:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:03:40am

heh

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:05:58am

re: #269 William Lewis

Doesn’t much matter. No matter what he tweets, his puppet master in Moscow will not let him fuck with Assad in any way that will matter and his racism will keep the refugees dying over there.

How would you solve this then, Steve?

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dangerman  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:07:20am

re: #242 Belafon

Because whites are the default, obviously.

And that really is the rub of the article. I thought the initial premise was promising: Democrats voted to take care of all Americans and have been punished for it ever since. But then it went down the path that it’s not really white America’s fault, but Democrats and minorities.

Screw that.

That’s what representative politics is

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:07:46am
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dangerman  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:08:35am

re: #243 Hecuba’s daughter

Building was built before current fire laws were in effect. My impression is thanks to pushback by developers like Trump, there isn’t a law to force owners of residential real estate to retrofit their buildings.

There’s your free market at work for the rich this time
Don’t like it, don’t move in

Don’t like it now? Move out

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:09:51am

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

another old tweet:

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Heh…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:11:22am

re: #279 JordanRules

Right. Then they change the definition of immigrant and turn their neighbor into the ‘other’.

That tweet about how ‘settlers’ were not ‘immigrants’ - if you don’t like what people are saying change the meanings of the words they use.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:12:03am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:12:56am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who knew that a bunch of sexist pigs are a bunch of sexist pigs?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:14:08am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:14:47am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:16:12am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Who knew that a bunch of sexist pigs are a bunch of sexist pigs?

Group dedicated to preserving the power of straight, white, Christian men unsurprisingly unsupportive of those who differ from that, in direct proportion to the extent of the difference.

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dangerman  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:17:15am

re: #253 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And George Wallace was there to take up the slack where the parties “failed to address their concerns”

Look. They don’t have concerns. Or grievances.

They just want what they want because they want it.
It’s that simple

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:18:48am
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dangerman  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:20:29am

re: #258 Citizen K

The problem I fear is that even if confronted, even if it’s laid out clear as day, that the majority will stare, shrug, and let it go precisely because ‘it won’t affect me’, and let it go, or even outright embrace it precisely because ‘it’ll never affect me’.

I fear constantly that when push comes to shove, America really will chose Racism overtly every time. That we really are a hopelessly racist country at its core, and that the backlash to changing it really will win in the end every time.

Wow
Compare 258 to re: #257 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Different topic. Same conclusion

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:20:36am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:22:47am

re: #295 dangerman

Look. They don’t have concerns. Or grievances.

They just want what they want because they want it.
It’s that simple

I’m not sure I’d put it like that. I think of it more the way Josh Marshall put it about 2 years ago, that a lot of the people who support Trump and Trumpism are the most dependent on white privilege, the uneducated whites who have nothing to fall back on in the competition for jobs beyond the fact of being white. That USED TO BE enough, back when unions and strong labor protections made it possible for many high school graduates to buy houses and send their kids to college on one working man’s wages.

Now, they increasingly find themselves in the same boat everyone else has always been in, and they don’t like it one bit.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:22:59am

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:28:03am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marvin Gaye was a very talented man. I can almost picture those little dancing raisins from that old commercial.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:28:39am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just that little triplet on lose my mind is amazing.

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Dizzy  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:31:53am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I may not know many current artists but I am skeptical that anyone in the popular music scene now has half of this man’s talent, or could pull off those vocals without modern technology.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:32:33am

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not sure I’d put it like that. I think of it more the way Josh Marshall put it about 2 years ago, that a lot of the people who support Trump and Trumpism are the most dependent on white privilege, the uneducated whites who have nothing to fall back on in the competition for jobs beyond the fact of being white. That USED TO BE enough, back when unions and strong labor protections made it possible for many high school graduates to buy houses and send their kids to college on one working man’s wages.

Now, they increasingly find themselves in the same boat everyone else has always been in, and they don’t like it one bit.

The real problem is that thanks to outsourcing and technology, there aren’t jobs available and wealth is concentrated in fewer hands. Capitalism is no longer working for the masses. We are heading toward a new feudal society, the rush toward authoritarianism worldwide is a reflection of this.

There aren’t enough jobs that pay well. And there is no reason, under our current economic system, that this situation will improve.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:34:01am

re: #303 Dizzy

I may not know many current artists but I am skeptical that anyone in the popular music scene now has half of this man’s talent, or could pull of those vocals without modern technology.

I was in love with him then and still am now.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:34:16am

Presenting the latest kawaii anime sensation.

Thiccachu.

And with that, good night Lizards.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:35:17am

re: #280 BeachDem

Try her latest, Small Great Things.

Here’s her Time article about writing it

time.com

Will do so — after I finish the 800 page novel assigned for our book club!

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Dizzy  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:38:46am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was in love with him then and still am now.

I very much appreciated his music then. Now, compared to the garbage being produced, his stuff is that much better.

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Belafon  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:42:11am

re: #299 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not sure I’d put it like that. I think of it more the way Josh Marshall put it about 2 years ago, that a lot of the people who support Trump and Trumpism are the most dependent on white privilege, the uneducated whites who have nothing to fall back on in the competition for jobs beyond the fact of being white. That USED TO BE enough, back when unions and strong labor protections made it possible for many high school graduates to buy houses and send their kids to college on one working man’s wages.

Now, they increasingly find themselves in the same boat everyone else has always been in, and they don’t like it one bit.

There are plenty of educated whites that fit in that position. Since I work around them, I can tell you that plenty of them believe they’ve done it on their own and have never benefited from being white - as put above, they can’t see the tailwinds helping them - and, instead of feeling that they’re racist, they believe they are being picked on because they are white.

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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:43:20am

re: #237 JordanRules

Khaled Beydoun ✔
@KhaledBeydoun
Trump told not everyone on welfare is black: “Really? Then what are they?” he responded: Report newsweek.com …

12:05 PM - Apr 8, 2018

I am not surprised in the least. In fact I have thought this is exactly how Trump thinks.

Think back to all the bigoted thinking of the era Trump was a product of regarding Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, etc. Remember all the racist cliches that were taken as truth by a lot of bigoted White people.

That is Trump. He believed it then, he probably believes it more now than ever.

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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:44:40am

re: #240 Hecuba’s daughter

Will it be a real hit list this time or just more Kabuki theater like last year’s strike?

Ask Vlad P. I think it comes down to what he will allow Donny to blow up so that it all looks good.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:51:23am

re: #308 Dizzy

I very much appreciated his music then. Now, compared to the garbage being produced, his stuff is that much better.

Isn’t that the complaint of every generation about the next generation’s music? (Ragtime, jazz, swing, blues, rock, disco, rap, hip hop, &c &c &c all garbage and all destroying the moral fabric of society).

There was probably someone complaining about Johann Sebastian Bach in the day …

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:52:23am

re: #312 Anymouse 🌹

You are correct. The older folks always complain about their kids music.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:55:25am

re: #312 Anymouse 🌹

Isn’t that the complaint of every generation about the next generation’s music? (Ragtime, jazz, swing, blues, rock, disco, rap, hip hop, &c &c &c all garbage and all destroying the moral fabric of society).

There was probably someone complaining about Johann Sebastian Bach in the day …

When a friend was lamenting the loss of film for digital, I did a little role play. The part of a stone carver facing down the invention papyrus paper. “That will never last” “Mine won’t burn” “It’s just a fad” “it’s easier to find good stone than make papyrus work”

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:55:49am

re: #313 PhillyPretzel

You are correct. The older folks always complain about their kids music.

Kids these days… . their long hair and frenetic music… .

Bach: Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 in D major, BWV 1050 (Freiburger Barockorchester)

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William Lewis  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:55:56am

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

How would you solve this then, Steve?

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Vote in midterms for the ability to impeach as many as necessary.
Until we have a real president, it won’t get solved.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:57:54am

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

Thank you. That was delightful.

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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2018 • 11:59:02am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chris Murphy ✔
@ChrisMurphyCT
I have no idea what this means. These are the kind of empty words that makes Congress irrelevant on foreign policy.

12:49 PM - Apr 8, 2018

Just foreign policy Chris?

I think the Republican party is pretty hollow all the way down.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:04:15pm

re: #276 BeachDem

Jodi Picoult, I think, described it well:

It’s easy to see the headwinds of racism — the obstacles that make it harder for people of color to achieve success. It’s more challenging to see the tailwinds of racism — the ways that being white makes it easier to achieve success.

I saw it with the election of Obama: here we had someone who proved that the American Dream could function. Someone who came from no sort of privileged upbringing but managed through initiative and hard work to get into Harvard, become editor of the Law Review, then the Senate then the highest office in the land. Someone that “conservatives” could hold up as an example for all Americans of all races and backgrounds.

But instead I saw a lot of people who just could not bring themselves to acknowledge his accomplishments, no matter how begrudgingly. Instead we heard that he was not even qualified, not a native citizen or not a citizen at all, an affirmative action slacker who got where he was through coddling favoritism, or even worse, a secret Muslim Manchurian candidate sent to destroy us all and turn us into a secularist Islamist LGBT FEMA dictatorship.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:04:49pm
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makeitstop  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:12:29pm

He had his tailor come up with a solution for not having Hicks around to press his pants.

Everyone probably told him he looked great.

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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:12:58pm

re: #313 PhillyPretzel

You are correct. The older folks always complain about their kids music.

I think there are equally talented artists these days. They have a hard time getting heard in a world that has somehow managed to sell some gawd-awful art as great and popular.

Besides, having support dancers is more important. And lights and costumes!

I don’t think Marvin Gaye had support dancers. And as long as the lights were on and he had clothes on he was gonna knock it out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:14:17pm

re: #313 PhillyPretzel

You are correct. The older folks always complain about their kids music.

I used to complain in the 90’s that it was just 60’s and 70’s music rehashed and rarely half as good as the original.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:20:43pm

V re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

I had filed a #FOIA with EPA for any records of death threats made against Scott Pruitt.

EPA said it had zero recorss.

…
7:49 PM - Apr 7, 2018
175 175 Replies 4,036 4,036 Retweets 8,075 8,075 likes

Everyone* in this administration lies or deceives about everything. The truth is alien to them

*Mattis excluded.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:22:12pm

re: #322 ObserverArt

I think there are equally talented artists these days. They have a hard time getting heard in a world that has somehow managed to sell some gawd-awful art as great and popular.

Besides, having support dancers is more important. And lights and costumes!

I don’t think Marvin Gaye had support dancers. And as long as the lights were on and he had clothes on he was gonna knock it out.

Artists have always had trouble getting heard or viewed, and there are plenty of gawd-awful popular songs in the past as well.

As for support dancers, as long as there has been music there have been support dancers (ballet, opera, and yes, Marvin Gaye):

Marvin Gaye - Sexual Healing

As for godawful music:

Ric Gary - Pimples and Braces

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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:23:35pm

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I used to complain in the 90’s that it was just 60’s and 70’s music rehashed and rarely half as good as the original.

How can something classical last hundreds of years, and yet we can’t discover and rediscover and mess with something that is less than 30 or so?

I think we don’t value what we have now and how it fits in with previous and is another advancement of a how music can be created and styled. And we don’t think it has the ability to last when some of it may well be classics in time.

Take a cross genre song like Willie Nelson’s Crazy. There is a good chance that song will go down in time as a great.

In 1961 it was just a song by some guy too. And I bet someone said “it is not as good as something ol’ Hank wrote.”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:25:46pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:28:32pm

re: #325 Anymouse 🌹

Artists have always had trouble getting heard or viewed, and there are plenty of gawd-awful popular songs in the past as well.

As for support dancers, as long as there has been music there have been support dancers (ballet, opera, and yes, Marvin Gaye):

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DId he go on the road to all his shows with those dancers…say like a Justin Timberlake or Katy Perry now? Did he take that smokey little club with him?

I don’t see a live show there. It is a video.

And come on, opera has always been a mixed media as has ballet.

In other words you missed the point.

Now the dancing and “show” may be greater than the talent…in my opinion.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:30:27pm

re: #326 ObserverArt

How can something classical last hundreds of years, and yet we can’t discover and rediscover and mess with something that is less than 30 or so?

I think we don’t value what we have now and how it fits in with previous and is another advancement of a how music can be created and styled. And we don’t think it has the ability to last when some of it may well be classics in time.

Take a cross genre song like Willie Nelson’s Crazy. There is a good chance that song will go down in time as a great.

In 1961 it was just a song by some guy too. And I bet someone said “it is not as good as something ol’ Hank wrote.”

Not everyone values things from the past and messes around with them or does something different with them, but there are artists who do, sometimes becoming famous for the new version of an old tune. For example, Vanessa Mae with “Classical Gas” by Mason Williams, or Johnny Cash with “Hurt” by Nine Inch Nails.

(On the other hand, I haven’t gotten famous with my hammered dulcimer version of “Classical Gas,” so there’s that. /s)

Vanessa Mae - Classical Gas

Johnny Cash - Hurt (Official Video) HD

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:40:25pm

re: #328 ObserverArt

DId he go on the road to all his shows with those dancers…say like a Justin Timberlake or Katy Perry now? Did he take that smokey little club with him?

I don’t see a live show there. It is a video.

And come on, opera has always been a mixed media as has ballet.

In other words you missed the point.

Now the dancing and “show” may be greater than the talent…in my opinion.

I can’t say if Marvin Gaye went on the road with those dancers, hired them in locations as needed, or only did it a few times.

re: #322 Your question was “I don’t think Marvin Gaye had support dancers.” I produced a video where he did.

If you’re point was “did he always have support dancers, then I did miss the point (as you didn’t write that).

As for ballet and opera being “mixed media” (music and dancing), is there none anywhere that the dancing was not greater than the music? Or the music greater than the dancing?

“Mixed media” of music and dancing has always been around as well. If we want to focus on the music as the only part that matters and throw out the dancing or acting, we can toss all of Broadway for its whole history, artists such as Alice Cooper and Sarah Brightman, &c.

And I like Katy Perry. /phht.

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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:41:51pm

Saw this on one of our local Columbus political shows that comes on right before Meat The Chuck. I also have links to the research by the Ohio State University professor (shown in the video) and others that did the study.

Summation: They think the manipulation of face news did indeed affect the election.

Gonna go play with some plaster now…later!

Iframe

WaPo - A new study suggests fake news might have won Donald Trump the 2016 election

President Trump has said repeatedly that Russian interference didn’t matter in the 2016 presidential campaign, and he has suggested — wrongly — that the intelligence and law enforcement communities have said the same. His overriding fear seems to be that Russian interference and the “fake news” it promoted would undermine the legitimacy of his election win.

Trump won’t like this new study one bit.

The study from researchers at Ohio State University finds that fake news probably played a significant role in depressing Hillary Clinton’s support on Election Day. The study, which has not been peer-reviewed but which may be the first look at how fake news affected voter choices, suggests that about 4 percent of President Barack Obama’s 2012 supporters were dissuaded from voting for Clinton in 2016 by belief in fake news stories.

Richard Gunther, Paul A. Beck and Erik C. Nisbet, the study’s authors, inserted three popular fake news stories from the 2016 campaign into a 281-question YouGov survey given to a sample that included 585 Obama supporters — 23 percent of whom didn’t vote for Clinton, either by abstaining or picking another candidate (10 percent voted Trump, which is in line with other estimates).

…lots more juicy stuff at WaPo link…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:42:52pm

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

Not everyone values things from the past and messes around with them or does something different with them, but there are artists who do, sometimes becoming famous for the new version of an old tune. For example, Vanessa Mae with “Classical Gas” by Mason Williams, or Johnny Cash with “Hurt” by Nine Inch Nails.

(On the other hand, I haven’t gotten famous with my hammered dulcimer version of “Classical Gas,” so there’s that. /s)

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Damn. That was an awesome version of Classical Gas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:43:04pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:43:30pm

California Raisins Commercial - from 1990!

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wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:43:57pm
“The Prodigal Son”, Ry’ Cooder’s first new solo release in six years…

Made my day, week, month, and year. Now playing my sixth listen. He could make me believe Bakersfield is heaven.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:45:16pm

gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:46:52pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

John McCain, the guy who never saw a country he wouldn’t bomb.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:47:30pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:48:01pm

On the other hand, since Donald Trump thinks of John McCain as a defeated loser, perhaps that means Trump will do the opposite of what McCain recommends.

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scottslemmons  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:49:59pm

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

Not everyone values things from the past and messes around with them or does something different with them, but there are artists who do, sometimes becoming famous for the new version of an old tune. For example, Vanessa Mae with “Classical Gas” by Mason Williams, or Johnny Cash with “Hurt” by Nine Inch Nails.

(On the other hand, I haven’t gotten famous with my hammered dulcimer version of “Classical Gas,” so there’s that. /s)

[Embedded content]

Speaking of Cash, Pitchfork has a nice retrospective on his American Recordings album.

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ObserverArt  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:53:40pm

re: #330 Anymouse 🌹

I can’t say if Marvin Gaye went on the road with those dancers, hired them in locations as needed, or only did it a few times.

If you’re point was “did he always have support dancers, then I did miss the point (as you didn’t write that).

As for ballet and opera being “mixed media” (music and dancing), is there none anywhere that the dancing was not greater than the music? Or the music greater than the dancing?

“Mixed media” of music and dancing has always been around as well. If we want to focus on the music as the only part that matters and throw out the dancing or acting, we can toss all of Broadway for its whole history, artists such as Alice Cooper and Sarah Brightman, &c.

And I like Katy Perry. /phht.

You do not understand my point. We started out talking about songs. Then it went to no one does music like that anymore today’s artist are not as good.

I came with (totally talking about songs…not videos, not operas, not ballet, not broadway, not square dancing…etc.) some artist today are as good…just that we do not see them…

BECAUSE in this time of planet earth pushing a big elaborate show with costumes, dancers, lights supported by (many times pre-recorded music and auto-tuned vocals) is common. The big artists can rely on that where some poor young soul singer with real pipes is doing a couple nights at a club sitting in with a band and really getting his work in at his local church where he belts it.

AND…the only reason I am bring up a young soul singer is as a comparison to Marvin Gaye as damn fine singer who didn’t need all that stuff. And a young unknown that doesn’t have all that stuff.

Not slagging Videos, Ballet, Operas, Broadway, Tin-pan-alley and the local Women’s club Spring Talent Show!

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:55:48pm

re: #338 Patricia Kayden

Eek.

The biggest issue with any pesticide is not spraying it on crops, but runoff and groundwater contamination.

The worst offenders aren’t farmers though, they’re lawn owners.

[water operator hat on]

You know those poison sprayers you can attach to a hose? They have a little bottle with some poison in them and through Bernoulli’s Principle and the Venturi Effect sucks the poison out of the bottle and sprays it with the water?

When the hose is turned off without first cutting off the poison supply, poison is sucked back into the hose. In a pressure drop in a public water supply, the poison is drawn into the public water supply. (That’s why those garden sprayers are illegal in my village, and we periodically remind people why.)

Yards sprayed with poison (even water system safe sprayers such as positive pressure pumps) also create massive amounts of poison runoff. [/hat]

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:57:56pm

re: #341 ObserverArt

Okay got it. I went off into the weeds - you straightened that out for me. Thanks.

I still like Katy Perry.

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jaunte  Apr 8, 2018 • 12:59:36pm

What might Jared give away for a $1.2 billion loan?

“…The Office of Government Ethics said that Kushner’s activities are under investigation by the White House Counsel, although it’s unclear if such an investigation is being actively pursued. Kushner has been unable to secure a permanent security clearance, which may be related to his financial entanglements.

His efforts to secure financing for his family’s properties have also reportedly drawn interest from special counsel Robert Mueller.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:00:55pm

re: #342 Anymouse 🌹

Eek.

The biggest issue with any pesticide is not spraying it on crops, but runoff and groundwater contamination.

The worst offenders aren’t farmers though, they’re lawn owners.

[water operator hat on]

You know those poison sprayers you can attach to a hose? They have a little bottle with some poison in them and through Bernoulli’s Principle and the Venturi Effect sucks the poison out of the bottle and sprays it with the water?

When the hose is turned off without first cutting off the poison supply, poison is sucked back into the hose. In a pressure drop in a public water supply, the poison is drawn into the public water supply. (That’s why those garden sprayers are illegal in my village, and we periodically remind people why.)

Yards sprayed with poison (even water system safe sprayers such as positive pressure pumps) also create massive amounts of poison runoff. [/hat]

Chlorpyrifos is not generally used by lawn owners.
It’s primarily used in agriculture operations, mostly for corn but also for other food crops.
It was so bad for runoff contaminating the water supply that it is no longer labeled for its original use to control mosquito larvae.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:01:21pm

re: #342 Anymouse 🌹

Would this be okay? Castile soap with pepper.
lisabronner.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:05:14pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chlorpyrifos is not generally used by lawn owners.
It’s primarily used in agriculture operations, mostly for corn but also for other food crops.
It was so bad for runoff contaminating the water supply that it is no longer labeled for its original use to control mosquito larvae.

I don’t actually know much about that particular poison (I don’t use any poisons on my garden) so I went to Wikipedia, that font of all human ken [citation needed] and ran into this in the opening:

In agriculture, it is “one of the most widely used organophosphate insecticides” in the United States, and before being phased out for residential use was one of the most used residential insecticides.

I imagine if the manufacturer of that poison can get the EPA reg overturned for residential use, they will start mass-marketing it to homeowners again.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:05:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:06:57pm

re: #347 Anymouse 🌹

that “residential use” was primarily for termite control.

It’s main use today is in agriculture, sprayed on food crops.

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wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:07:18pm

Subtract one bass player, put Ry on bass, add some instruments for the drummer, and add Ry’s daughter in law (the drummer’s wife) and you get this:

Joachim Cooder - Everyone Sleeps in the Light - Live at McCabe’s

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KGxvi  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:09:44pm

CNN has a story about Kamala Harris supposedly upsetting some of her supporters because she answered a question about taking corporate money with a “maybe” rather than a hard no.

Is that where we actually at?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:10:44pm

Chlorpyrifos also smells kind of skunky, so most people probably wouldn’t be pleased with spraying it around their house or lawns or even their little home gardens.

I’ve been a farmer for a very long time and a retired firefighter/EMT with a fire department in a rural area that is largely agricultural, so I am extremely familiar with pesticides/herbicides/etc and their effects.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:16:16pm

.re: #346 PhillyPretzel

Would this be okay? Castile soap with pepper.
lisabronner.com

For a non-poisonous pesticide, that is pretty effective. I usually use a mixture of Dawn detergent with vegetable oil and any sort of relatively high Schoville-value ground pepper. But not just before harvest for obvious reasons. ;)

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Dizzy  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:20:16pm

re: #312 Anymouse 🌹

Isn’t that the complaint of every generation about the next generation’s music? (Ragtime, jazz, swing, blues, rock, disco, rap, hip hop, &c &c &c all garbage and all destroying the moral fabric of society).

There was probably someone complaining about Johann Sebastian Bach in the day …

Yes, and I do feel like an old fart when I repeat it. However, popular music today just seems so…. artificial, lacking any sort of feeling or humanity. All tones are generated, voices are auto-tuned. Yuk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:21:44pm

rice cooker got another workout today: made this for lunch:
Grilled Shrimp With Herbed Feta Cheese and Brown Basmati Rice

Leftover rice/herbed feta/tomato will be transformed into fried rice with some egg whites stirred in along with whatever else I can think of to add in.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:22:55pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

that “residential use” was primarily for termite control.

It’s main use today is in agriculture, sprayed on food crops.

Regardless of what it was used for, not a good thing to spray around.

As for termite control, according to that Wikipedia article it was for more than that:

Chlorpyrifos was first registered for use in the United States in 1965 for control of foliage and soil-born insects. The chemical became widely used in residential settings, on golf course turf, as a structural termite control agent, and in agricultural use. Most residential use has been phased out in the United States; however it remains a common agricultural insecticide.

FactCheck has a great deal of information on the chemical (including the ban for residential use, which exempted certain insect traps and “other uses” they don’t list). They also point there are conflicting studies, due to different methods used in those studies.

That said, the Obama Administration proposed a complete ban based on a precautionary principle (if we’re unsure, don’t use it). That’s what Scott Pruitt wants to overturn (until we do know, you may use it).

Since the competing studies are inconclusive, that gives Pruitt his cover to say “we don’t know so you may use it.”

As an organophosphate, it fits into the same category as other nerve agents such as sarin (but is much less dangerous as sarin). As an outright poison to kill people, it is much less dangerous than my epilepsy meds per milligram. (I’m not spraying those on my garden though.)

factcheck.org

Bottom line: I’m not educated enough to know about the benefits and risks of this particular insecticide, and for such things I depend on independent government agencies to assess those risks and put them in language I can understand.

The free marketeers of the GOP don’t care about that; they care about profits. Fat dumb and uniformed is just how they’d like us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:26:35pm

re: #356 Anymouse 🌹

wiki is exaggerating or just mis-characterizing with “widely used in residential settings”…it may well have been used at first in residential settings by local governments for mosquito control.

widely used by “lawn owners”? Nope.

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wrenchwench  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:28:17pm

re: #351 KGxvi

CNN has a story about Kamala Harris supposedly upsetting some of her supporters because she answered a question about taking corporate money with a “maybe” rather than a hard no.

Is that where we actually at?

I’m starting to think the ‘corporations are evil’ line comes from Russia.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Apr 8, 2018 • 1:39:31pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

rice cooker got another workout today: made this for lunch:
Grilled Shrimp With Herbed Feta Cheese and Brown Basmati Rice

Leftover rice/herbed feta/tomato will be transformed into fried rice with some egg whites stirred in along with whatever else I can think of to add in.

i can stomach a cheese named Herb but when the cheese is old enough to shave count me out

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 8, 2018 • 2:00:19pm

re: #351 KGxvi

Dumbed down so far all corporations are the same, either evil or beyond reproach.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 8, 2018 • 5:03:31pm

re: #342 Anymouse 🌹

Hose bib back flow preventers.


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