Oops! Now Trump Wants to Get Back Into the TPP, After Burning Our Partners All Over the World

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Here’s some news about which I can’t even: Trump weighs rejoining Trans-Pacific Partnership amid trade dispute with China.

President Trump told top administration officials Thursday to look at rejoining the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a major shift on the sprawling multination trade pact he rejected just days after taking office.

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Trump gave the new orders to U.S. Trade Representative Robert E. Lighthizer and National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow during a meeting with lawmakers and governors in the White House Cabinet Room Thursday, according to several GOP senators in attendance.

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Trump then told Lighthizer and Kudlow to “take a look at getting us back into that agreement, on our terms of course,” Thune said. “He was very I would say bullish about that.”

“On our terms, of course!”

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Stanley Sea  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:53:37pm
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makeitstop  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:55:05pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

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WUT

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:55:26pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

*Jaw hits floor*

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Stanley Sea  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:56:06pm

First thing I thought of was schwarzenegger

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:56:07pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

Family values, y’all.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:56:27pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

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Mulligan. //

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petesh  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:57:45pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

That word “relationship” does not mean what he thinks it means

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:58:21pm

This whole family is fucking nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2018 • 12:59:27pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

This whole family is fucking nuts.

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JFC

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:01:01pm

That’s exactly why you can’t reason with Trumpers btw.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:02:10pm

How fucked is Trump? He’s no longer necessary as a witness.

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teleskiguy  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:03:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:03:15pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

This whole family is fucking nuts.

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wait just a minute there….Fox & Friends said they heard it was the White Helmets…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:03:15pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:03:43pm
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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:03:44pm

re: #11 darthstar

How fucked is Trump? He’s no longer necessary as a witness.

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It’s not going to be an interview because they’re just going to subpoena him instead.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:05:18pm
You mean ‘take care of’?
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:07:26pm

he is a moron

“memembers”…

Proud American workers who are NOT AT WORK TODAY…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:08:05pm

I seem to recall that Hillary got rightly criticized for rejecting the TPP after initially supporting it…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:09:01pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:09:15pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is a moron

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Check out Kelly in the last photo/first tweet

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:09:42pm

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I seem to recall that Hillary got rightly criticized for rejecting the TPP after initially supporting it…

that’s why Trump is better, he can’t be bullied into being stupid, it just comes natural for him

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:09:47pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

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Skip Intro  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:10:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:11:07pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea

Check out Kelly in the last photo/first tweet

heh…facepalm…

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teleskiguy  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:11:21pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:13:13pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

“All that stuff Obama couldn’t get you, and with less worker protections. MAGA!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:13:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:14:24pm

good freaking grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:15:52pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief

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MrBWS is gobsmacked…he keeps saying “one tree? ONE TREE?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:18:55pm

re: #24 Skip Intro

It’s Communist Fascist Un-American to deny restrict limit not infringe First Amendment rights by forcing requiring requesting advertisers not support speech you don’t like!

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danarchy  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:19:44pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS is gobsmacked…he keeps saying “one tree? ONE TREE?”

It appears Puerto Rico doesn’t so much have an electrical grid as much as one big series circuit…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:20:15pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So the Baeback Bronco scored again….

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S'latch  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:20:31pm

Does anyone think Scott Pruitt will last out the month?

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:20:54pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

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It gets even better….

I don’t think it is parody account. Racist remarks…check. Grotesquely sexist comments on women’s breasts…check. Pwn the libs…check.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:21:02pm

re: #32 danarchy

It appears Puerto Rico doesn’t so much have an electrical grid as much as one big series circuit…

Like cheap Christmas lights.

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:21:02pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea

Check out Kelly in the last photo/first tweet

i just did a literal lol burst

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:21:25pm

re: #34 S’latch

Does anyone think Scott Pruitt will last out the month?

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:22:34pm

re: #24 Skip Intro

Having seen the WeatherTech commercials, while I think they’re a great idea, they scream “Keep deer blood from sticking to your truck.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:23:28pm

about that suspended account earlier today:

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:23:52pm

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Puerto Rico hasn’t even gotten to 100% power restoration. They’ve been at around 95% when last updated on April 5.

And now this?! A single tree knocked out essentially 1/3 of their grid? That’s insane.

UPDATE:
Then again, the big northeast blackout was due to a single feeder power line having a fault (shorting due to contact with a tree) and operators not seeing the problem, and a cascading failure thereafter.

scientificamerican.com

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:24:38pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s going to last as long as Trump lets him, which is pretty much on a whim and prayer.

If Fox says to cut him loose, he’s done.

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sizzzzlerz  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:26:06pm

re: #32 danarchy

Much like the xmas tree light strings of yore which went dark whenever just one bulb blew forcing you to trying replacing every bulb in turn with what you hoped was a good bulb along with hoping that there wasn’t more than one blown bulb in the string.

Good times!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:26:55pm

re: #41 lawhawk

Puerto Rico hasn’t even gotten to 100% power restoration. They’ve been at around 95% when last updated on April 5.

And now this?! A single tree knocked out essentially 1/3 of their grid? That’s insane.

We figure it’s most likely a tower/transmission line.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:27:03pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you use a cardboard cut out of anyone for target practice, you probably shouldn’t have a gun

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:28:44pm
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sizzzzlerz  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:28:55pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

And they call liberals snowflakes. Apparently, this kid has laid a butt-hurt on them that just won’t quit.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:29:41pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is a conference call between Ivanka, Junior, and Eric (and maybe even Tiffany) in a fucking panic because if there is a known out of wedlock child out there, it puts their entire inheritance and estate plan in jeopardy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:29:43pm

re: #17 Blind Frog Belly White

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As usual, actual Trump Administration policy has little to nothing in common with what Trump says.

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BigPapa  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:29:47pm

I don’t have kids so I wanted to confirm if this is true.

Age Appropriate Chores for The Chirren
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sizzzzlerz  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:30:20pm

re: #49 Big Beautiful Door

As usual, actual Trump Administration policy has little to nothing in common with what Trump says.

On what day?

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The Major  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:31:28pm

re: #35 Scottish Dragon

Better still:…..

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:31:35pm
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Ace-o-aces  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:31:54pm

re: #35 Scottish Dragon

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:32:46pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s actually probably not hearsay. The state of mind exception probably applies. As does the present sense impression exception. Maybe even the recorded recollections exception applies.

FRCP 803

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:33:17pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

Daily Kos is all over that:

The battle plan against Comey, obtained by CNN, calls for branding the nation’s former top law enforcement official as “Lyin’ Comey” through a website, digital advertising and talking points to be sent to Republicans across the country before his memoir is released next week. The White House signed off on the plan, which is being overseen by the Republican National Committee.

Democrats have few reasons to love Comey. His last-minute letter to Congress, reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails, didn’t just claim every single column of the New York Times’ front page, but very likely flipped the outcome of the election. Without Comey’s self-indulgent chastisement of Clinton (over what Comey himself admitted were offenses that no reasonable prosecutor would follow up) and without his jumping to reopen his investigation (over what turned out to be inconsequential evidence), Donald Trump would heading up nothing more powerful than an infomercial, threatening nothing more vital than the life savings of the gullible.

But the plan to combat Comey shows more clearly than ever that the old Republican Party has been swept away. What’s in its place is the next product to follow Trump Water, Trump Vodka, and Trump University. It’s the Trump Party, whose entire reason for being is … Trump. And for that purpose, every instrument in their arsenal is aimed at protecting Trump from what Comey has to reveal.

“Comey is a liar and a leaker and his misconduct led both Republicans and Democrats to call for his firing,” Republican chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said in a statement to CNN. “If Comey wants the spotlight back on him, we’ll make sure the American people understand why he has no one but himself to blame for his complete lack of credibility.”

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:33:30pm

re: #52 The Major

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:34:52pm

re: #54 Ace-o-aces

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They’ve cot you covered…. Right down to the White Power sign.

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The Major  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:35:14pm

re: #54 Ace-o-aces

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:35:34pm

re: #50 BigPapa

I don’t have kids so I wanted to confirm if this is true.

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I think that spark plugs one depends on the age of the car, too.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:35:43pm

re: #58 Blind Frog Belly White

They’ve cot you covered…. Right down to the White Power sign.

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WTF is this?

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makeitstop  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:36:10pm

re: #39 Belafon

Having seen the WeatherTech commercials, while I think they’re a great idea, they scream “Keep deer blood from sticking to your truck.”

And they’re really pricey! My wife was going to buy me a set of floor mats for my truck as a Christmas present, but after seeing what they cost she bought me an off-brand that does pretty much the same thing.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:37:33pm

re: #50 BigPapa

I don’t have kids so I wanted to confirm if this is true.

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When each of my were late 3 year olds, I started letting them be doctor while I was the patient. The doctor’s kit, which was an old doctor’s bag, had a stethoscope, and otoscope, and a reflex hammer. I would let them check my ears and nose with the otoscope. I had to do a lot of moving around to make sure they didn’t jam it too far. No way I would trust one to cut my hair.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:37:59pm

re: #39 Belafon

Having seen the WeatherTech commercials, while I think they’re a great idea, they scream “Keep deer blood from sticking to your truck.”

Before my Challenger, I had an F-150 (sadly I totaled her in a single car accident), and did the LineX spray on liner, but there’s no way I would have done anything like that on the interior.

Then again, I’m one of those godless coastal elites who has never been hunting, so…

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:38:31pm

re: #34 S’latch

Does anyone think Scott Pruitt will last out the month?

I do, because with Trump constantly generating new controversies, Pruitt’s scandals will get buried in the backwash. Who can remember what Pruitt was accused of while we’re talking about Cohen and Syria and the love child and who knows what’s coming tomorrow?

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Jebediah, RBG  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:39:15pm

re: #48 KGxvi

There is a conference call between Ivanka, Junior, and Eric (and maybe even Tiffany) in a fucking panic because if there is a known out of wedlock child out there, it puts their entire inheritance and estate plan in jeopardy.

They’re going to fight over their share of the debt?

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:40:47pm

re: #55 KGxvi

That’s actually probably not hearsay. The state of mind exception probably applies. As does the present sense impression exception. Maybe even the recorded recollections exception applies.

FRCP 803

The Twitter JDs are out in force… heresay? LMAO.

Hearsay has multiple exceptions and given that both Comey and McCabe both indicated that they were keeping records, then they may also have FRCP 803(6) on top of 803(1) and 803(5) as well:

Records of a Regularly Conducted Activity. A record of an act, event, condition, opinion, or diagnosis if:

(A) the record was made at or near the time by — or from information transmitted by — someone with knowledge;

(B) the record was kept in the course of a regularly conducted activity of a business, organization, occupation, or calling, whether or not for profit;

(C) making the record was a regular practice of that activity;

(D) all these conditions are shown by the testimony of the custodian or another qualified witness, or by a certification that complies with Rule 902(11) or (12) or with a statute permitting certification; and

(E) the opponent does not show that the source of information or the method or circumstances of preparation indicate a lack of trustworthiness.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:41:23pm

re: #45 KGxvi

If you use a cardboard cut out of anyone for target practice, you probably shouldn’t have a gun

There was a nasty incident a few years ago where it came out that Miami Pd was using arrest mug shots as combat practice targets. A Florida national guard sergeant who went for mandatory shooting practice was given a target supplied by the police and it was a picture of her own brother.

Jesus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:41:35pm

re: #61 Ace-o-aces

WTF is this?

Finger cots. You’ve heard of fingerless gloves? These are like gloveless fingers. Or condoms for each digit.

They have a variety of uses, including medical. Watchmakers use them to keep fingerprints off the parts, since most steel watch parts are NOT stainless. I’ve found decades-old fingerprints, etched into the surface of watch plates, or the mirror-polished winding wheels.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:42:05pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

We figure it’s most likely a tower/transmission line.

IIRC (and my knowledge might be off), there is one power plant that can’t function if a nearby one goes down. That might have caused a chain reaction.

The things you get used to.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:43:35pm

Wait, there’s a Trump love child now?

Jesus, this season has too many plot twists.

//

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:44:06pm

re: #67 lawhawk

The Twitter JDs are out in force… heresay? LMAO.

Hearsay has multiple exceptions and given that both Comey and McCabe both indicated that they were keeping records, then they also have FRCP 803(6) as well:

I know, it’s just amazing. I still remember the first week of evidence class being, something along the lines of “so, technically, everything is hearsay…” and then the rest of the semester being “and these are all the exceptions to that rule.”

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The Major  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:44:30pm

Holy Fuck….

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:46:32pm

A whole thread on the different motions of the UPRM students assembly.

Click to Reveal
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:46:53pm

re: #64 KGxvi

Before my Challenger, I had an F-150 (sadly I totaled her in a single car accident), and did the LineX spray on liner, but there’s no way I would have done anything like that on the interior.

Then again, I’m one of those godless coastal elites who has never been hunting, so…

My Subaru Outback had a removable cargo bed liner like that, raised edges and all. It was totally worth it, the day we brought home Zeena from the adoption group - the Adoption Coordinator talked for THREE HOURS! while 6 families waited to take our dogs home, and then Zeena was too freaked out to pee before we got in the car.

Not too freaked out to pee in the car, though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:47:05pm

re: #73 The Major

WATCH: During her confirmation hearing this morning (yes, this morning - in 2018), judicial nominee Wendy Vitter refused to say whether she agreed with the result in Brown v. Board of Education.

Could well be that she is unaware of it…

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:47:24pm

re: #57 Ace-o-aces

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Nope, because Trump is a new Christian, forgiven his sins.

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teleskiguy  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:47:40pm

re: #54 Ace-o-aces

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:47:58pm

Just finished up some wall plaster work and turned on Nicole on MSNBC. Michael Avenatti is on and saying Cohen is asking for a stay on Avenatti’s lawsuit and Cohen will claim the 5th.

Cohen’s ass is in a jam if he is pleading the 5th.

Avenatti is pissed.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:48:27pm

re: #73 The Major

Holy Fuck….

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She is the same wacko who was pushing a bizarre publication alleging that birth control kills women because it encourages them to have sex with dangerous men.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:48:49pm

re: #71 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, there’s a Trump love child now?

Jesus.

Well, Tiffany was born two months before he married her mother.

And, huh, Don Jr was born New Years Eve 1977, and Don married Ivana April 7, 1977. That’s just a bit short of 9 months by my math.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:49:29pm

the charter school people are upset because there is no funding mechanism, so they have to operate as tuition-only private schools.

sad trombone…

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Skip Intro  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:50:27pm

re: #77 Big Beautiful Door

Nope, because Trump is a new Christian, forgiven his sins.

And he didn’t abort them (as far as we know).

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:51:16pm

re: #73 The Major

Holy Fuck….

WATCH: During her confirmation hearing this morning (yes, this morning - in 2018), judicial nominee Wendy Vitter refused to say whether she agreed with the result in Brown v. Board of Education. #UnfitToJudge

what’s interesting to me is that 64 years later, the question still needs to be asked

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:51:59pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Well, Tiffany was born two months before he married her mother.

And, huh, Don Jr was born New Years Eve 1977, and Don married Ivana April 7, 1977. That’s just a bit short of 9 months by my math.

Tiffany’s conception was more or less covered by the New York media in real time.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:52:05pm

re: #81 KGxvi

Well, Tiffany was born two months before he married her mother.

And, huh, Don Jr was born New Years Eve 1977, and Don married Ivana April 7, 1977. That’s just a bit short of 9 months by my math.

38-39 weeks. Close enough.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:52:10pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:52:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:52:51pm

Never mind.

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:53:07pm

Steve Schmidt - doesn’t pull his punches.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:53:36pm

re: #61 Ace-o-aces

WTF is this?

Trump sized condoms. Though the They cot you covered pun was bad, really bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:53:45pm

re: #86 Belafon

38-39 weeks. Close enough.

yep…Ivana wouldn’t even have know she was preggers yet, if she indeed was.

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Skip Intro  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:54:43pm

re: #90 darthstar

Ryan never worked for the country, he worked for the Kochs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:54:57pm

re: #91 Bubblehead II

Trump sized condoms. Though the They cot you covered pun was bad, really bad.

Glad, as always, to oblige my friends and neighbors!

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darthstar  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:55:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:56:14pm

re: #93 Skip Intro

Ryan never worked for the country, he worked for the Kochs.

Though, to be fair, he’d have done the same shit without them.

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teleskiguy  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:56:49pm

re: #95 darthstar

So that leaves dick pills, catheters, ambulance chasers, and a company that’ll get the IRS off your back advertising on her show, sound about right?

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:57:55pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

So that leaves dick pills, catheters, ambulance chasers, and a company that’ll get the IRS off your back advertising on her show, sound about right?

And expensive floor mats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:57:59pm

re: #79 ObserverArt

Just finished up some wall plaster work and turned on Nicole on MSNBC. Michael Avenatti is on and saying Cohen is asking for a stay on Avenatti’s lawsuit and Cohen will claim the 5th.

Cohen’s ass is in a jam if he is pleading the 5th.

Avenatti is pissed.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:58:05pm

re: #73 The Major

On the one hand, “I don’t believe it’s appropriate to comment on prior decisions” is typically a fair answer in these kinds of hearings. But it’s a bit unusual for someone to take that approach with Brown, even Gorsuch and Roberts have said it’s good and settled law.

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makeitstop  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:58:11pm

re: #95 darthstar

Red Lobster drops Laura Ingraham

Damn, she’s gonna get to go ‘spot-free’ every night!

Not sure how Fox’ accountants are going to feel about that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:58:26pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

So that leaves dick pills, catheters, ambulance chasers, and a company that’ll get the IRS off your back advertising on her show, sound about right?

I’d say it’s a perfect opportunity for any up-and-coming white supremacy group to buy advertising time. Should be pretty damn cheap by now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:59:14pm

re: #101 makeitstop

Damn, she’s gonna get to go ‘spot-free’ every night!

Not sure how Fox’ accountants are going to feel about that.

lots and lots of PSAs

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:59:41pm

re: #87 darthstar

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Ol’ Steve Schmidt has been riding his party pretty hard. He is damning them all the way.

Some of them, like Nicole, Ana Navarro and others need to say they are done with them, join the Democrats and really send a message.

The only way that party changes is with tough love and hammers. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt. The rats in it can start something else so everyone decent can ignore them. Start the Tea Party or Freedom Party or whatever and go fuck yourselves.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 1:59:49pm

re: #101 makeitstop

Damn, she’s gonna get to go ‘spot-free’ every night!

Not sure how Fox’ accountants are going to feel about that.

Like I said last week, this was ultimately what killed O’Reilly. Like Al Capone and taxes, it always comes down to the money.

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:00:04pm

re: #87 darthstar

I don’t know Paul Ryan and don’t really care whether he is a ” good guy “or not. He is third in line to the Presidency. Why is he being infantized and talked about like he is the outgoing Rotary Club President. He failed to stand up for civility, decency and impt US institutions

one of the most powerful jobs in our government (ok used to be). and whether you call it 2nd or 3d in succession, what he really failed to do is run the house as one of the two unified representative bodies of all the people

ryan was elected to represent his district of which there are 435. there is only one speaker. when he was elected speaker he became speaker for all americans. he failed at that miserably.

mitch too, of course

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:00:39pm
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sizzzzlerz  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:02:48pm

re: #105 KGxvi

Like I said last week, this was ultimately what killed O’Reilly. Like Al Capone and taxes, it always comes down to the money.

You mean it isn’t the righteousness of the cause?

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:03:15pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t know if this was discussed about Avenatti: superlawyers.com

He got his start with Rahm Emanuel. That’s a hell of a school.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:03:19pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:03:53pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:04:05pm

re: #109 Sea Mexican!

Don’t know if this was discussed about Avenatti: superlawyers.com

He got his start with Rahm Emanuel. That’s a hell of a school.

Check out his education. And awards. Avenatti is no slouch.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:04:49pm

re: #112 ObserverArt

Check out his education. And awards. Avenatti is no slouch.

Little wonder Cohen is outclassed and outmaneuvered.

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rhuarc  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:04:52pm

re: #73 The Major

Holy Fuck….

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What if she has no idea what the Brown vs. The Board of Education case is? Like, literally doesn’t know what was decided in that case. So she’s just trying to bullshit her way through the answer.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:05:26pm

re: #112 ObserverArt

Check out his education. And awards. Avenatti is no slouch.

And nowadays he’s getting so much airtime I half expect Trump to appoint him to something, since that’s how he finds his nominees these days.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:05:46pm

re: #104 ObserverArt

The only way that party changes is with tough love and hammers. It needs to be torn down and rebuilt. The rats in it can start something else so everyone decent can ignore them. Start the Tea Party or Freedom Party or whatever and go fuck yourselves.

If all the reasonable people leave, then there’s no chance for the party to be rebuilt. A new party would have to be built in its place. And, historically, that’s what has happened in our history. The Whigs started losing members and weren’t suddenly rebuilt, a new party (the Republicans) eventually rose and replaced them.

It would be interesting to see if a new part could rise. The Reform Party tried that in the late 90s, and it failed - in part because they didn’t have a guiding ideology beyond “I’m Ross Perot” and eventually fell victim to the likes of Trump, Buchanan, and Duke.

It would probably take a decade, at the very least, to replace one of the two major parties, in the best circumstances. That would require, in addition to the whole ideology/governing philosophy bit, building a ground game at the state and local level in addition to trying to run at the national level.

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Skip Intro  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:06:51pm

re: #113 Sea Mexican!

Little wonder Cohen is outclassed and outmaneuvered.

Cohen went to a bottom tier law school, like Orly.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:07:20pm

re: #108 sizzzzlerz

You mean it isn’t the righteousness of the cause?

I know… spoiler alert!

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makeitstop  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:07:32pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

lots and lots of PSAs

Yup. Ad Council is gonna be her biggest advertiser. Heh.

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:08:39pm

re: #69 Blind Frog Belly White

Used to protect wounds/ keep bandages on in food service. What’s not so good is when they, along with the bandage come off and land on someone’s plate.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:09:43pm

re: #117 Skip Intro

Cohen went to a bottom tier law school, like Orly.

From his performance, I’d say Orly went to the more prestigious one.

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:10:51pm

re: #114 rhuarc

She’s a tRump nominee. This is entirely plausible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:11:05pm

must be nice.

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danarchy  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:11:47pm

re: #114 rhuarc

What if she has no idea what the Brown vs. The Board of Education case is? Like, literally doesn’t know what was decided in that case. So she’s just trying to bullshit her way through the answer.

She got her JD from Tulane University. It may not be Harvard or Yale, but I doubt they are graduating people who don’t know one of the most pivotal Supreme court cases of the 20th century.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:12:01pm

re: #122 plansbandc

She’s a tRump nominee. This is entirely plausible.

It’s not like any of trump’s nominees are expected to actually know anything related to their jobs.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:12:59pm

That Trump “love child” story - I dunno. Color me skeptical. But it also wouldn’t surprise me if it turns out to be true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:13:28pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

That Trump “love child” story - I dunno. Color me skeptical. But it also wouldn’t surprise me if it turns out to be true.

people are just asking questions….

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:15:49pm

Twitter is down. How will I cope?!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:15:58pm
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makeitstop  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:16:01pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

people are just asking questions….

It would be irresponsible not to speculate!

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freetoken  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:18:10pm

Shady deals abound for the Trump Crime Family:

A small-time scam artist gave Trump a mansion for $0. Why?

In this enclave of celebrity and tremendous wealth, it was a real estate megadeal that made little sense.

In 2008, an Egyptian man with a reputation for small-time financial scams bought an opulent 10,400-square-foot mansion on famed Rodeo Drive.

Sale price, according to public records: $10.3 million.

Then, six weeks later, he transferred the mansion to a shell company set up by a brash New York billionaire - for no money at all.

The billionaire was Donald Trump. The home was next door to another mansion he’d purchased for $7 million a year earlier and just down the street from The Beverly Hills Hotel, where two women say they had affairs with Trump around the same time.

[…]

At the time, a senior escrow officer named Susan B. Nichols supervised the company’s Beverly Hills office. In an interview, Nichols, who is now retired, said she reviewed every deed processed by the office but had no memory of the Trump deals.

In looking over copies of the deeds, Nichols said she never would have approved filing the document granting the house to Girgis unless she had seen a sales contract with Girgis’ name on it - and only after payment had been deposited in an escrow account. She also said she would have approved signing the house over to Trump only if “it was kosher.”

The experts consulted by Reveal said this outcome was theoretically possible - but so implausible that they had never heard of such a thing.

[…]

The intermediaries between the long time owner, family of former dictator of Gabon, and the Egyptian scam artist, were some GOP deep pockets, Leonard and Selma Fisch (technically, their estate.)

It’s all very typical, in the way dictators and corrupt people work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:21:49pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:22:36pm

re: #98 Belafon

And expensive floor mats.

What, no survival seeds?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:22:58pm
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gwangung  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:24:12pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Captain America for the rescue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:25:07pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:25:37pm

re: #114 rhuarc

What if she has no idea what the Brown vs. The Board of Education case is? Like, literally doesn’t know what was decided in that case. So she’s just trying to bullshit her way through the answer.

That is literally inconceivable.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:25:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:27:07pm

PEE TAPE

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rhuarc  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:27:41pm

re: #137 Big Beautiful Door

That is literally inconceivable.

There’s a lot of things I find inconceivable that conservatives believe or don’t know. Hell, not even conservatives. Just people in general.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:28:11pm
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jaunte  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:28:49pm

Our Incontinent Presidency.

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CongoJack  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:28:52pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

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Well isn’t that tacit language which means the pee pee take is real?

2018 is going to be weird.

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:29:03pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

It’s always stunning to see how Israel honors holocaust remembrance day. Air raid sirens blare for 2 min and the entire country stops and stands in silence. Watch how even cars stop in the middle of the high way and the drivers get out to stand.

here in the states we get newt gingrich to compare a lawful, judicially reviewed, FBI search warrant of Trumps lawyers office to Nazi secret police

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allegro  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:29:24pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I have been invited by students at Parkland high school to come as a guest speaker in the coming 2 weeks. I excitedly accept and look forward to discussing our right to bear arms in front of a captive student audience

That consent thing again. Chain them to their chairs so they can’t escape his most excellent message!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:29:44pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:30:31pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:31:25pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:32:13pm

re: #116 KGxvi

If all the reasonable people leave, then there’s no chance for the party to be rebuilt. A new party would have to be built in its place. And, historically, that’s what has happened in our history. The Whigs started losing members and weren’t suddenly rebuilt, a new party (the Republicans) eventually rose and replaced them.

It would be interesting to see if a new part could rise. The Reform Party tried that in the late 90s, and it failed - in part because they didn’t have a guiding ideology beyond “I’m Ross Perot” and eventually fell victim to the likes of Trump, Buchanan, and Duke.

It would probably take a decade, at the very least, to replace one of the two major parties, in the best circumstances. That would require, in addition to the whole ideology/governing philosophy bit, building a ground game at the state and local level in addition to trying to run at the national level.

And of course that hasn’t happened for over 160 years. Eventually as the old white man demographic continues to die off, more centrist GOP politicians will move the party back toward the center, like the Vermont governor who just signed gun control legislation. Hard to say how long this will take though. If Texas turns at least purple if not blue anytime soon it will be very difficult for the GOP to win national elections without substantially reforming itself. The barriers to a new party are so substantial in the US I don’t expect the GOP to simply be displaced.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:32:18pm

re: #114 rhuarc

What if she has no idea what the Brown vs. The Board of Education case is? Like, literally doesn’t know what was decided in that case. So she’s just trying to bullshit her way through the answer.

I surmised the same thing, given the caliber of so many other Trump nominees, not too far fetched an assumption

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:32:39pm

Instapot lizards, here’s a cool accessory I just got from Amazon:
Stack N’ Cook Stackable Steamer Insert Pans with Sling - Instant Pot Accessories for 6, 8 Qt - Stainless Steel Food Steamer for Pressure Cooker & Pot in Pot Accessories - with Two Interchangeable Lids

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:33:37pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

That Trump “love child” story - I dunno. Color me skeptical. But it also wouldn’t surprise me if it turns out to be true.

They didn’t pay him 30 large for nothing!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:35:56pm

re: #147 teleskiguy

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It might be just me, but I am not finding any humor in “jokes” about incest.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:37:12pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s a real life hero!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:37:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:38:08pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:41:29pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

PEE TAPE

Whoa.

Trump: “Jim can you check to see if there really is a pee tape?”

Comey: Uh, Mr. President, wouldn’t you know?

Trump: “Help me out here Jim, I just want to know if there is a tape.”

Comey: “Sir, I don’t understand.”

Trump: “Look Jim, I’ve led, uh, a colorful life, you know. Just look into it and let me know what you find.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:41:37pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:41:51pm

“Sludge Barrel” is the name of my new metal band.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:42:46pm

re: #159 teleskiguy

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“Sludge Barrel” is the name of my new metal band.

“Transient Reactor” is mine

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:44:52pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Haven’t heard yet if she was an illegal alien.

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:45:30pm

re: #159 teleskiguy

Sludge Rupture!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:46:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:48:53pm
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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:50:08pm

re: #158 Backwoods_Sleuth

Several 911 callers reported spotting a tiger in Manhattan. The animal that police safely caught turned out to be a large raccoon.

so yes, it’s possible vitter never heard of brown v board

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:50:47pm

oh, wow…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:50:52pm

Should be easy to prove the Earth is flat. Find an edge.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:51:03pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ve tried to explain to my wife why this is necessary, but she’s still mad at the teachers because the kids will have to go to school an extra day on May 25. Meantime, maybe I’ll take the kids to Keeneland Friday!

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:52:27pm

re: #159 teleskiguy

A barrel of radioactive sludge at an Idaho nuclear facility has ruptured in the 1st known event of its kind at the site.

“Sludge Barrel” is the name of my new metal band.

has ruptured? why the passive voice?

was it just sitting there minding it’s own business?
did somone hit it or damage it?
did it corrode or rot over time?

idiotic reporting

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:52:38pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

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Should be easy to prove the Earth is flat. Find an edge.

If the Earth was flat, the cats would’ve already pushed everything off the edge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:52:57pm

*serious side eye*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:53:55pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:54:09pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

It might be just me, but I am not finding any humor in “jokes” about incest.

Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying.

These days I find I can do both at the same time.

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:54:51pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

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Should be easy to prove the Earth is flat. Find an edge.

if there were an edge, cat would have knocked everything over the side already

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:55:21pm

re: #170 Big Beautiful Door

If the Earth was flat, the cats would’ve already pushed everything off the edge.

you win

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:57:50pm

re: #175 dangerman

you win

he knocked it off the edge first, but you’re batting cleanup.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 2:58:36pm

re: #170 Big Beautiful Door

If the Earth was flat, the cats would’ve already pushed everything off the edge.

But seriously - Flat Earth Cosmology must be really tricky. For example, if the earth is flat, and the sun is 93 Million miles away, the sun would rise, and set, everywhere on Earth at the same time.

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Bubblehead II  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:01:13pm

re: #169 dangerman

has ruptured? why the passive voice?

was it just sitting there minding it’s own business?

Looks like it.

did somone hit it or damage it?
did it corrode or rot over time?

idiotic reporting

A preliminary theory about the cause of the barrel rupture, he said, is that radioactive decay made the barrel heat up and ignite particles of uranium. An investigation is planned.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:01:22pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:02:07pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

But seriously - Flat Earth Cosmology must be really tricky. For example, if the earth is flat, and the sun is 93 Million miles away, the sun would rise, and set, everywhere on Earth at the same time.

I’ve never really looked into that delusion, so I don’t know how they explain it.

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:02:10pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

But seriously - Flat Earth Cosmology must be really tricky. For example, if the earth is flat, and the sun is 93 Million miles away, the sun would rise, and set, everywhere on Earth at the same time.

Flat Earther: “It does that where I am??? It’s sunny as far as I can see.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:02:45pm

re: #178 Bubblehead II

A preliminary theory about the cause of the barrel rupture, he said, is that radioactive decay made the barrel heat up and ignite particles of uranium. An investigation is planned.

Huh. That must be pretty doggone radioactive, then.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:04:47pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

I’ve never really looked into that delusion, so I don’t know how they explain it.

I doubt anyone intelligent enough to come up with a convincing explanation would be dumb enough to believe that shit.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:06:10pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

But seriously - Flat Earth Cosmology must be really tricky. For example, if the earth is flat, and the sun is 93 Million miles away, the sun would rise, and set, everywhere on Earth at the same time.

In their model the sun is actually much smaller and much closer. The moon is also a translucent disk or something. It’s utterly insane (I occasionally check a flat earth instagram feed for lols, Kelly Slater (yes, the surfer) is constantly in their comments debunking shit and making fun of them). They think the reason days are shorter (in the northern hemisphere) in the winter is because the sun has to move faster around the outside of the disk. They’ve never managed to explain why days are so long in the southern hemisphere in December - usually calling it a conspiracy or lies or some such. And given that millions of people live very far south of the equator, it’s a hell of a conspiracy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:06:11pm

re: #181 ObserverArt

Flat Earther: “It does that where I am??? It’s sunny as far as I can see.”

That, indeed, is about the level of thought I think you’d find.

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Jack Burton  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:06:27pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

But seriously - Flat Earth Cosmology must be really tricky. For example, if the earth is flat, and the sun is 93 Million miles away, the sun would rise, and set, everywhere on Earth at the same time.

They have a whole pretzel logic set of nonsense to describe how it “works” and does not do that. I’d rather not lose the time and brain cells to try to elaborate it here but it’s infuriatingly asinine and ignorant.

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wrenchwench  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:10:14pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

Huh. That must be pretty doggone radioactive, then.

New Mexico does the bad stuff better:

Official Report: Nuclear Waste Accident Caused By Wrong Cat Litter

A yearlong investigation by government scientists has concluded that a major accident at a nuclear waste dump was caused by the wrong brand of cat litter.

[…]

Don’t say ‘doggone’ this time.

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:15:00pm

Michiko Kakutani:

The central themes that Comey returns to throughout this impassioned book are the toxic consequences of lying; and the corrosive effects of choosing loyalty to an individual over truth and the rule of law. Dishonesty, he writes, was central “to the entire enterprise of organized crime on both sides of the Atlantic,” and so, too, were bullying, peer pressure and groupthink — repellent traits shared by Trump and company, he suggests, and now infecting our culture.

“We are experiencing a dangerous time in our country,” Comey writes, “with a political environment where basic facts are disputed, fundamental truth is questioned, lying is normalized and unethical behavior is ignored, excused or rewarded.”
nytimes.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:15:19pm

re: #184 KGxvi

In their model the sun is actually much smaller and much closer. The moon is also a translucent disk or something. It’s utterly insane (I occasionally check a flat earth instagram feed for lols, Kelly Slater (yes, the surfer) is constantly in their comments debunking shit and making fun of them). They think the reason days are shorter (in the northern hemisphere) in the winter is because the sun has to move faster around the outside of the disk. They’ve never managed to explain why days are so long in the southern hemisphere in December - usually calling it a conspiracy or lies or some such. And given that millions of people live very far south of the equator, it’s a hell of a conspiracy.

But that doesn’t make sense either. If the earth is flat and the sun is smaller and closer, then it would STILL rise and set everywhere at the same time, but the size (area of the sky taken up by the sun) would change over the course of the day, and that change would be different depending on where you are - large at sunrise, small at sunset if you’re in the East, small at sunrise and large at sunset if you’re in the West, and small at sunrise and sunset but larger at noon if you’re in the middle.

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allegro  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:16:29pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

New Mexico does the bad stuff better:

Don’t say ‘doggone’ this time.

That was one pissed off cat.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:22:15pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

But that doesn’t make sense either. If the earth is flat and the sun is smaller and closer, then it would STILL rise and set everywhere at the same time, but the size (area of the sky taken up by the sun) would change over the course of the day, and that change would be different depending on where you are - large at sunrise, small at sunset if you’re in the East, small at sunrise and large at sunset if you’re in the West, and small at sunrise and sunset but larger at noon if you’re in the middle.

Oh, believe me, I know. The cosmology is the craziest part of their “logic.” I think the argument is (haven’t seen it in a while) something along the lines of “it’s a disk/spot light” not some glowing orb in space. (Also, it’s the same size as the moon, which is also closer than you think)

Most of the time it’s “there’s no curvature” or something about water always finding a level and what not.

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wrenchwench  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:22:44pm

re: #190 allegro

That was one pissed off cat.

They hate unannounced changes.

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:31:39pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

But seriously - Flat Earth Cosmology must be really tricky. For example, if the earth is flat, and the sun is 93 Million miles away, the sun would rise, and set, everywhere on Earth at the same time.

i once read a supposedly scientific explanation that the “earth” is like a tennis ball cut open. we “live on the flat inside

or something

it tried to incorporate curvature with flatness
and still didnt work

while i agree the “movement” is growing, i am certain these people do not “actually” believe any of this nonsense. - not in anything but an argumentally rhetorical way

they want to. they’d like to

and still they know the earth is a ball, that there’s gravity, how the planets generally rotate and orbit, and why the sun rises and sets

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:33:30pm

re: #191 KGxvi

Oh, believe me, I know. The cosmology is the craziest part of their “logic.” I think the argument is (haven’t seen it in a while) something along the lines of “it’s a disk/spot light” not some glowing orb in space. (Also, it’s the same size as the moon, which is also closer than you think)

Most of the time it’s “there’s no curvature” or something about water always finding a level and what not.

“Thank you very much, Mr. NASA Scientist, but now for balance we must turn to Barry, who believes that the sky is a carpet painted by God. What do you have to say about the Space Station?”

“Well it’s clearly ridiculous. What’s he gonna do? Hang it from the carpet?”

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:34:20pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

What an absolute piece of garbage.

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:34:49pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

But that doesn’t make sense either. If the earth is flat and the sun is smaller and closer, then it would STILL rise and set everywhere at the same time, but the size (area of the sky taken up by the sun) would change over the course of the day, and that change would be different depending on where you are - large at sunrise, small at sunset if you’re in the East, small at sunrise and large at sunset if you’re in the West, and small at sunrise and sunset but larger at noon if you’re in the middle.

dont do this

you’re going to hurt yourself

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dangerman  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:37:05pm

re: #195 plansbandc

What an absolute piece of garbage.

i said it time and time again before the election

the man is a pig
you support a pig, you’re a pig

and now we are here
shown to be correct

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:41:43pm

re: #194 Blind Frog Belly White

“Thank you very much, Mr. NASA Scientist, but now for balance we must turn to Barry, who believes that the sky is a carpet painted by God. What do you have to say about the Space Station?”

“Well it’s clearly ridiculous. What’s he gonna do? Hang it from the carpet?”

good grief people…it’s a sun chariot!

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Bubblehead II  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:43:31pm

re: #182 Blind Frog Belly White

Huh. That must be pretty doggone radioactive, then.

That’s what I thought. I wasn’t a nuke, but I do know you don’t “ignite” uranium unless you have a whole bunch of free neutrons flying around.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:44:11pm

re: #193 dangerman

and still they know the earth is a ball, that there’s gravity, how the planets generally rotate and orbit, and why the sun rises and sets

That’s about all the logic they have
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2018 • 3:44:18pm

re: #196 dangerman

dont do this

you’re going to hurt yourself

It’s actually kind of fun. Remember, as a Scientist, part of my job is to look at hypotheses and determine what predictions they make, and how you’d test them. So, when somebody says, “The earth is flat!”, you say, “Okay, well, if that’s true, then it would be sunrise everywhere at once.”

When they say, “The sun is smaller and closer than they tell you!”, you point out that the sun would STILL rise everywhere at the same time, but would appear much larger in the East than in the West.

If they say the sun is a disk. hold a flat disk in front of them. They’ll see a disc. Move it to either side of them, in a straight line (not turning it), and ask them what they see.

The thing about this shit, like Creationism, conspiracy theories, etc. is that nobody treats them like actual theories - that is, hypotheses - and then determines the predictions they make and requires the hypothesizer to test them.

If nothing else, it’s fun to watch them flail.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 12, 2018 • 4:12:55pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

But that doesn’t make sense either. If the earth is flat and the sun is smaller and closer, then it would STILL rise and set everywhere at the same time, but the size (area of the sky taken up by the sun) would change over the course of the day, and that change would be different depending on where you are - large at sunrise, small at sunset if you’re in the East, small at sunrise and large at sunset if you’re in the West, and small at sunrise and sunset but larger at noon if you’re in the middle.

Don’t waste too much time trying to make sense out of nonsense.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 12, 2018 • 4:25:10pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

I’ve never really looked into that delusion, so I don’t know how they explain it.

There are (of course) YouTube videos explaining the theory behind the periodicity observed of the sun if the earth were flat. And, YouTube videos debunking the explanations. And, YouTube videos debunking the debunkings.

It’s turtles allll the way down, Katie. All the way down.


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