New From Maestro Ry Cooder: “Everybody Ought to Treat a Stranger Right”

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“The Prodigal Son”, Ry’ Cooder’s first new solo release in six years, is set for release May 11, 2018! Pre-order / stream “The Prodigal Son” here: found.ee

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LYRICS

everybody ought to treat a stranger right, long ways from home

everybody ought to treat a stranger right, a long ways from home

be careful how you treat a stranger, by belying you turn him away

but the fear that he might endanger will drive him from your gate

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be mindful of your speaking, careful how you go along

you must always treat a poor stranger right and accept him in your home

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all of us down here are strangers, none of us have no home

don’t ever hurt your brother and cause him to feel alone

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everybody ought to treat a stranger right

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414 comments

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:22:27pm

I feel a little Little Feat in there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:22:51pm
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Scout  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:30:30pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

That was an awful day.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:34:20pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

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I remember that because I was on a Federal jury trial. We were in the US Courthouse when the case proceedings were stopped and a security scan was done. The scan wasn’t just done with us, it was done with the Los Angeles City, County and State courts at the same time. We were all in the jury room watching the TV along with Federal judges, attorneys and their support staff. We were dismissed for the day at noon. I went home just numb…

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:35:15pm

re: #3 Scout

That was an awful day.

I was 12 years old just weeks away from turning 13.

I remember being scared that it would happen again in another city.

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:35:52pm

re: #1 jaunte

I feel a little Little Feat in there.

To a degree. Lowell used a 7/16th inch Craftsman extended socket wrench as his slide, and Ry is using a 40 ml VOC bottle.

The backbeat is is definitely Fess, though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:36:29pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

I was 12 years old just weeks away from turning 13.

I remember being scared that it would happen again in another city.

6 years later it did…and it was a whole lot worse.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:38:23pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

6 years later it did…and it was a whole lot worse.

That day is a whole other story. Talk about a wrench thrown into the gears of sane political order.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:38:46pm

From the last thread:

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Like I knew it’d be bad but to actually see it. I’m on my fourth President I’ve observed at some depth, not counting Bush I and Reagan since I was so young when they left office and Clinton, Bush II, & Obama, they just don’t compare. I hated Bush especially in his first term but I’d been shocked to see him doing the things Trump does daily and his allies just shrug even though it’s completely unpresidential. I’m trying to figure out how I’m going to explain this era when I’m older.

For me that goes back to Richard Nixon. What I see now is simply the same sort of conservative corruption at the speed of the Internet.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:39:52pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

That day is a whole other story. Talk about a wrench thrown into the gears of sane political order.

That day I remember far more since I was around the same age you were for OKC. I don’t remember OKC itself as much as the aftermath and McVeigh and Nichols’ trial.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:40:24pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:40:58pm

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:41:06pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

From the last thread:

For me that goes back to Richard Nixon. What I see now is simply the same sort of conservative corruption at the speed of the Internet.

Since 1980, I wonder how many times I’ve said: “Man, I thought I hated Nixon, but….”?

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:41:15pm

Just to remind the class, the wingnuts were dancing with glee earlier today about a criminal referral for McCabe that he leaked info to the press about an ongoing investigation.

Not even 24 hours later, the House GOP happily did same, to absolute silence from the “law and order” crowd.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:42:01pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

From the last thread:

For me that goes back to Richard Nixon. What I see now is simply the same sort of conservative corruption at the speed of the Internet.

I hear ya. Nixon was awful and corrupt but there’s something unique for this administration. I can’t describe it. It’s a pit I feel in my stomach when I hear about Trump, see his face, or hear his voice.

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Kragar  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:43:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:43:32pm

re: #13 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Since 1980, I wonder how many times I’ve said: “Man, I thought I hated Nixon, but….”?

Even Richard Nixon had soul to paraphrase Neil Young. I just think about my father’s father and what he’d think of all this.

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:43:37pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:44:20pm

LOL: Literally Ones of Students Walk Out Protesting Abortion (Utah Outcasts)

They are making fun of National Review’s coverage of this epic event. (Caution for coarse language)

Literally Ones of Students* Walk Out Protesting Abortion

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:44:42pm

This incident also helps to put into perspective why Holder was right to tell the House GOP where to get off about their demands that he turn over documents concerning an ongoing investigation to them during “Fast & Furious.”

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:45:08pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

6 years later it did…and it was a whole lot worse.

Two years before the OK City bombing, the WTC was attacked by a similar bomb, which killed six and injured 1000 people.

cnn.com

Osama Bin Laden decided to use planes instead of a truck. He was much more successful, as we all know.

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gocart mozart  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:48:13pm
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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:49:15pm

re: #22 gocart mozart

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Clever!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:52:31pm

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:57:03pm
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Kragar  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:57:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 8:59:53pm

re: #25 jaunte

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You prove there was obstruction and collusion everytime you open your big fat mouth to kiss Putin’s ass and trash men and women who unlike you actually serve this country honorably.

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jaunte  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:05:28pm

“…Avenatti is now alleging that he has evidence of bank fraud involving Michael Cohen, which he has almost certainly shared with the F.B.I. And the F.B.I. may soon respond in kind: “We expect to have access to at least some of what was seized at some point in the near future,” he added. (The Department of Justice declined comment.) And what might that yield? Avenatti’s preferred scenario is that it would cough up proof that Trump not only knew about Cohen’s payments to Daniels and other women, but compensated Cohen from campaign funds. But he believes the true smoking gun is a so-called Suspicious Activities Report (S.A.R.) reportedly created by the Treasury Department earlier this year after a bank is reported to have flagged Cohen’s account for dubious transactions. (The Treasury Department and First Republic Bank did not provide a comment to The Wall Street Journal, which broke the story, while Cohen called it “fake news.”) “That is a critical document at this juncture of the case,” said Avenatti. If such a report existed it could very well describe a narrative of events in which monies were moved from bank account to bank account in an effort to cover up campaign payments to Trump’s alleged mistresses. “The importance of that document cannot be overstated,” he said.

While his request for the document has been met with radio silence by the Treasury Department, the F.B.I. may well have it—Avenatti speculates that it could be the blueprint for the entire investigation The way Avenatti talks about the report brings to mind Woodward and Bernstein’s discovery, in 1972, of the $25,000 bank deposit from a Nixon campaign-finance chairman into the account of one of the Watergate burglars.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:12:05pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

I was 12 years old just weeks away from turning 13.

I remember being scared that it would happen again in another city.

The feeling we all had 9/11

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teleskiguy  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:12:19pm

re: #28 jaunte

If Stormy Daniels is pivotal in the downfall of Fuckface Von Clownstick…

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Kragar  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:12:46pm
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Kragar  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:13:06pm
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jaunte  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:14:04pm
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Kragar  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:20:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:30:23pm

re: #34 Kragar

Correction, not politicians. Conservative politicians.

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:30:44pm

To put things into perspective: Trump wants McCabe and Comey both prosecuted for “leaking” while using the leak of the latter’s memos to the press to again proclaim his “innocence.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:30:47pm

Almost forgot. Branch Davidian fire was 25 years ago today.

Incited by the now mainstreamed conspiracy industry, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols murdered 168 people in Oklahoma City exactly a year later. The callous savagery for which Alex Jones is finally being sued is nothing new.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:31:32pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

To put things into perspective: Trump wants McCabe and Comey both prosecuted for “leaking” while using the leak of the latter’s memos to the press to again proclaim his “innocence.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:32:31pm

House Republicans are nothing but Trump’s willing accomplices at this point. Vote every last one of them out.

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:33:06pm

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹

Something has to be really, really obvious is even Chuck Todd understands it.

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austin_blue  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:33:24pm

The President of the United States has, apparently, no idea how stupid he is. He is, at this point, self-indicting himself for impeachment, with tweets. Just pause on that concept for a minute.

Have you caught your breath yet?

And the Party the controls the House and the Senate is just perfectly fine with this.

Everyone who is involved with this shit show would do us a huge favor by blowing their brains out with their precious guns. In any case, this November should change the game.

At least that is my fervent hope.

Night all, sweet scaly dreams.

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:33:27pm

Well, that worked out well for Republicans, didn’t it? lol

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coin operated  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:36:17pm

Half the reason I come here is the tunes…holy shit that Cooder vid is off the fucking charts

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Targetpractice  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:40:07pm

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹

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Going by Nunes’ statement downstairs, the talking point springing from this leak is “This proves Trump totally wanted Russia investigated and so he wouldn’t oppose it or fire Comey to end it!” Except they own-goaled themselves (yet again) because the memos show Comey was right when he said Trump was totally consumed with disproving the allegations made against him personally and wanted Comey to only look into those. Any allegations made about the election? Trump had no interest whatsoever and every motivation to kill the investigation once it headed that direction.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:45:34pm

How American Democracy Fails Its Way to Success (Foreign Affiars, the lede):

As Americans struggle to make sense of a series of uncomfortable economic changes and disturbing political developments, a worrying picture emerges: of ineffective politicians, frequent scandals, racial backsliding, polarized and irresponsible news media, populists spouting quack economic remedies, growing suspicion of elites and experts, frightening outbreaks of violence, major job losses, high-profile terrorist attacks, anti-immigrant agitation, declining social mobility, giant corporations dominating the economy, rising inequality, and the appearance of a new class of super-empowered billionaires in finance and technology-heavy industries.

That, of course, is a description of American life in the 35 years after the Civil War. The years between the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, in 1865, and that of President William McKinley, in 1901, were among the least inspiring in the history of U.S. politics. As Reconstruction proved unsuccessful and a series of devastating depressions and panics roiled the economy, Washington failed miserably to rise to the challenges of the day.

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Kragar  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:48:33pm
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Interesting Times  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:48:35pm
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mmmirele  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:49:41pm

Arizona teachers have voted to strike next week.

Governor Doug Ducey is unhappy.

My response:

And yeah, the teachers are right not to trust Ducey. Here’s a federal ruling on a lawsuit that was going to use (sell) state trust land to fund the schools. A federal judge put a stop to that.

tucson.com

I am not at all opposed to paying more taxes to fund the public schools. Not the charter schools. Not the private schools. PUBLIC SCHOOLS. #RedForEd

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:51:22pm

re: #48 mmmirele

Arizona teachers have voted to strike next week.

Governor Doug Ducey is unhappy.

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And yeah, the teachers are right not to trust Ducey. Here’s a federal ruling on a lawsuit that was going to use (sell) state trust land to fund the schools. A federal judge put a stop to that.

tucson.com

I am not at all opposed to paying more taxes to fund the public schools. Not the charter schools. Not the private schools. PUBLIC SCHOOLS. #RedForEd

He’s part of the same party that cuts education first rather than even consider giving their wealthy benefactors a tax hike. Teachers need to be paid and treated better.

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:54:45pm

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

The years between the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln, in 1865, and that of President William McKinley, in 1901, were among the least inspiring in the history of U.S. politics.

And often under-remembered.

Time travel stories often get caught up with assassinations but especially Lincoln, as if going back and stopping his assassination would be a big change in American politics and policy.

I assert that the second assassination, of McKinley, would make for a much more interesting time-travel story, as the death of McKinley leads to Teddy Roosevelt becoming President and then Wilson, both of whom made major impacts on domestic and foreign policy.

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Teukka  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:58:44pm

FYI, Lizardim:

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2018 • 9:59:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:13:16pm

re: #50 freetoken

And often under-remembered.

Time travel stories often get caught up with assassinations but especially Lincoln, as if going back and stopping his assassination would be a big change in American politics and policy.

I assert that the second assassination, of McKinley, would make for a much more interesting time-travel story, as the death of McKinley leads to Teddy Roosevelt becoming President and then Wilson, both of whom made major impacts on domestic and foreign policy.

Definitely. It’s interesting to wonder who becomes president in 1904 if McKinley lives.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:15:01pm

Star Trek: The Motion Picture just started on STARZ, reminded that Star Fleet personnel are wearing pajamas

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:15:06pm

I am worried about two possible outcomes from the Mueller probe:

1. Trump somehow gets exonerated (terrible precedent and the gloating will be unbearable).

2. Mueller nails almost everyone in Trumps inner circle but can’t get enough on Trump himself to bring him down. Trump survives, throws everyone else under the bus and gets reelected in 2020.

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Kilroy was here  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:17:58pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

I am worried about two possible outcomes from the Mueller probe:

1. Trump somehow gets exonerated (terrible precedent and the gloating will be unbearable).

2. Mueller nails almost everyone in Trumps inner circle but can’t get enough on Trump himself to bring him down. Trump survives, throws everyone else under the bus and gets reelected in 2020.

I’m hoping that in order to save themselves when they see Trump is likely doomed the GOP turns on him to try and save themselves from his stink.

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Scout  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:18:28pm

re: #28 jaunte

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That is some fascinating stuff. Thanks very much for posting it.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:19:19pm

re: #32 Kragar

Gaslighting as fast as he can…….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:19:56pm

re: #54 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Star Trek: The Motion Picture just started on STARZ, reminded that Star Fleet personnel are wearing pajamas

The Big Bang Theory - Star Trek

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HappyWarrior  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:20:11pm

re: #56 Kilroy was here

I’m hoping that in order to save themselves when they see Trump is likely doomed the GOP turns on him to try and save themselves from his stink.

I think what we might see is that Republicans will be forced to confront the fact that Trump is popular with their base but unpopular with the people as a whole. I dunno though. 2020 is going to be important either way.

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Jenner7  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:22:13pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m with you on this. America is in deep doo doo.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:25:23pm

re: #48 mmmirele

This crap just makes me just ill. I grew up in PHX back in the 60’s before all that is now. That’s my playground those assholes are trying to liquidate for another bloody golf course.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:25:56pm

re: #56 Kilroy was here

I’m hoping that in order to save themselves when they see Trump is likely doomed the GOP turns on him to try and save themselves from his stink.

Conservatism’s only principle is gaining and maintaining power. In the instant Trump threatens other conservatives’ power, Trump is gone. They know the crazification factor of the electorate is not enough to save them.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:29:29pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

I am worried about two possible outcomes from the Mueller probe:

1. Trump somehow gets exonerated (terrible precedent and the gloating will be unbearable).

2. Mueller nails almost everyone in Trumps inner circle but can’t get enough on Trump himself to bring him down. Trump survives, throws everyone else under the bus and gets reelected in 2020.

If those scenarios have you worried, I think you should probably change your expectations a little.

Robert Mueller is not going to bring down a sitting president, not even this fake one. America is not willing to have a sitting president brought into court for a crime, especially not a white male one. American institutions, American centres of power, won’t allow that to happen. The American President has historically been a revered figure, much more akin to royalty than a democratically elected head of state, and even with this Caligula desecrating it, some people still think of the institution in that way. More importantly, though, this particular president represents the inner soul of millions of Americans, and specifically millions of Americans who have been the most important and privileged members of society for most of the nation’s history. To put him on trial, to ‘bring him down’, would require America’s institutions to consciously tear the hearts out of America’s most cherished and protected constituency. And even now, even with that constituency being so debased, America’s institutions simply are not willing to do that. Republicans won’t allow it. The US media won’t allow it.

The realistic best case scenario involves a weakened president Trump lashing out ineffectually for a couple more years, and hopefully being stopped in his madness from implementing nakedly fascist policies by a Democratic House. The best case scenario after that involves the US media deciding, hopefully, that they stand to gain more by salaciously tearing Trump down than getting him re-elected.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:33:01pm

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

Conservatism’s only principle is gaining and maintaining power. In the instant Trump threatens other conservatives’ power, Trump is gone. They know the crazification factor of the electorate is not enough to save them.

I would have agreed with you, except that half the House is part of the Crazification Factor now. They inhabit a different reality from ours.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:36:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:43:30pm

re: #65 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I would have agreed with you, except that half the House is part of the Crazification Factor now. They inhabit a different reality from ours.

Half that House is part of gerrymandering to gain and maintain power.

We’ll have to see how the Supreme Court cases concerning gerrymandering go.

We’ve seen a huge number of Republicans say “I’m done” since Mr. Trump was elected.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:45:22pm
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freetoken  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:45:44pm

re: #64 Renaissance_Man

It is the responsibility of Congress, not the courts, to remove a President.

Anything Mueller finds on Trump should be part of an impeachment hearing. Mueller can throw others in jail, but removing the President really is vested in the powers of the combined House and Senate.

It is their responsibility.

Are they shirking it? Yes, it is pretty clear by now that there should be impeachment hearings based on several breaches of law and conduct.

This is why the elections in 2018 are so important.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:48:05pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:48:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:56:37pm
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fern01  Apr 19, 2018 • 10:59:56pm

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹

What happened to old Chuck - not like him to be anti any GOPers

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:04:00pm

re: #73 fern01

What happened to old Chuck - not like him to be anti any GOPers

Well, he didn’t attack the Republicans in question, just mused on what they thought they might be doing with the release.

He didn’t say something like “you hypocrites accusing Democrats of leaking information, then doing it yourself.”

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fern01  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:07:14pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Well, he didn’t attack the Republicans in question, just mused on what they thought they might be doing with the release.

He didn’t say something like “you hypocrites accusing Democrats of leaking information, then doing it yourself.”

Indeed, he just queried their actions and no doubt he will be happy with their reply

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petesh  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:07:37pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

I am worried about two possible outcomes from the Mueller probe:

1. Trump somehow gets exonerated (terrible precedent and the gloating will be unbearable).

2. Mueller nails almost everyone in Trumps inner circle but can’t get enough on Trump himself to bring him down. Trump survives, throws everyone else under the bus and gets reelected in 2020.

Relax. (1) is what Trump will claim and it won’t be true. (2a) is quite possible, but (2b) is unlikely.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:09:55pm

Black mayoral candidate says Confederate flags were placed in his yard

This is in Lubbock, named for Confederate bushwhacker and noted slavery enthusiast Thomas Saltus Lubbock.

Lubbock was a strong secessionist, characterized as a “very worthy and zealous” Knight of the Golden Circle.

The Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) “was” a secret society in the mid-19th-century United States. The original objective of the KGC was to annex a “golden circle” of territories in Mexico, Central America, Confederate States of America, and the Caribbean as slave states, to be led by Maximilian I of Mexico.

As abolitionism in the United States increased after the Dred Scott Decision of 1857, the members proposed a separate confederation of slave states, with U.S. states south of the Mason-Dixon line to secede and to align with other slave states to be formed from the “golden circle”. In either case, the goal was to increase the power of the Southern slave-holding upper class to such a degree that it could never be dislodged.

The original Ku Klux Klan took some of its symbolism and nomenclature, as well as more than a few members, from the KGC. There are a great many legends and conspiracy theories about the organization, mostly having to do with buried treasure, but including claims that the organization continued to exist in secret, and even does so to this day.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:13:55pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Black mayoral candidate says Confederate flags were placed in his yard

“Heritage, not hate.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:16:22pm

Ariana Grande releases her first song since the bombing attack on her concert in Manchester last year.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:16:29pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:18:17pm

It’s Rudy

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:32:03pm
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Lupin  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:34:44pm

re: #64 Renaissance_Man

If those scenarios have you worried, I think you should probably change your expectations a little.

Robert Mueller is not going to bring down a sitting president, not even this fake one. America is not willing to have a sitting president brought into court for a crime, especially not a white male one. American institutions, American centres of power, won’t allow that to happen. The American President has historically been a revered figure, much more akin to royalty than a democratically elected head of state, and even with this Caligula desecrating it, some people still think of the institution in that way. More importantly, though, this particular president represents the inner soul of millions of Americans, and specifically millions of Americans who have been the most important and privileged members of society for most of the nation’s history. To put him on trial, to ‘bring him down’, would require America’s institutions to consciously tear the hearts out of America’s most cherished and protected constituency. And even now, even with that constituency being so debased, America’s institutions simply are not willing to do that. Republicans won’t allow it. The US media won’t allow it.

The realistic best case scenario involves a weakened president Trump lashing out ineffectually for a couple more years, and hopefully being stopped in his madness from implementing nakedly fascist policies by a Democratic House. The best case scenario after that involves the US media deciding, hopefully, that they stand to gain more by salaciously tearing Trump down than getting him re-elected.

I agree. My 2 cents is Trump will not run in 2020, and will retire to Mar-a-lago to finish his days in peaceful dementia. At worst, he may be lead to resign, with the same promises, if his crimes are too glaring. He will never be indicted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:36:49pm

Lawlessness abounds under the new conservative cruelty …

Upstate NY farmer says ICE officers stormed his farm without a warrant, cuffed him, threw his phone (Syracuse, NY Post-Standard)

Rome, N.Y. — John Collins was standing outside the milk house at his dairy farm this morning when he heard yelling coming from inside. He ran in, he says, and saw his worker, Marcial de Leon Aguilar, pinned up against the window by armed men.

The men did not identify themselves and were screaming at Aguilar, Collins said.

“I run and say, ‘What the hell is going on in here?’” Collins said.

Then the men told Collins they were officers with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He asked them for a warrant or some paperwork to explain what they were doing. They had none, he said, so he ordered them to get off his property and leave Aguilar alone.

As this happened, Collins said, Aguilar’s children watched. They were waiting nearby for the school bus to come. Collins said the officers put Aguilar in handcuffs and took him across the rural road to their vehicles. At least seven officers had come onto the small farm, Collins said.

Adrian Smith, a spokesman for ICE, said he was looking into the situation and would comment when he knew more.

(more)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:39:27pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The original Ku Klux Klan took some of its symbolism and nomenclature, as well as more than a few members, from the KGC. There are a great many legends and conspiracy theories about the organization, mostly having to do with buried treasure, but including claims that the organization continued to exist in secret, and even does so to this day.

A lot of the Knights of the Golden Circle were recipients of a Classical education. Nathan Bedford Forrest, to put it mildly, was not. I owe to George Macdonald Fraser the realization that “Ku Klux” was Forrest’s corruption of κυκλοϛ-“Circle”, which the pre-war organization frequently used to describe themselves.

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:40:46pm

re: #83 Lupin

I agree. My 2 cents is Trump will not run in 2020, and will retire to Mar-a-lago to finish his days in peaceful dementia. At worst, he may be lead to resign, with the same promises, if his crimes are too glaring. He will never be indicted.

Or, more likely, if Trump is forced to leave office early then Pence will pardon Trump, citing Ford as an example.

Trump would take the pardon and claim it proves he’s not guilty, even though a pardon means forgiving a guilty person.

There could be enough illegalities attached to Trump via Cohen that Trump may have to leave office.

We’ll find out.

There is undoubtedly, by now undoubtedly, enough evidence of crimes to put some of Trump’s inner circle in prison.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:41:56pm

re: #85 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

A lot of the Knights of the Golden Circle were recipients of a Classical education. Nathan Bedford Forrest, to put it mildly, was not. I owe to George Macdonald Fraser the realization that “Ku Klux” was Forrest’s corruption of κυκλοϛ-“Circle”, which the pre-war organization frequently used to describe themselves.

“Circle” also described the rough shape of the coastline around the Gulf of Mexico, the proposed area to seize to perpetuate slavery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:44:03pm

re: #83 Lupin

I agree. My 2 cents is Trump will not run in 2020, and will retire to Mar-a-lago to finish his days in peaceful dementia. At worst, he may be lead to resign, with the same promises, if his crimes are too glaring. He will never be indicted.

He will do the Sarah Palin and claim that he was hounded out of office by the Deep State and Liberal Media Cabal.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:47:44pm

Michigan? I smell Posse Comitatus and sovcit Copperheads..

Facebook Post

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Cheechako  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:51:30pm

re: #83 Lupin

I agree. My 2 cents is Trump will not run in 2020, and will retire to Mar-a-lago to finish his days in peaceful dementia. At worst, he may be lead to resign, with the same promises, if his crimes are too glaring. He will never be indicted.

Don’t forget trumps problems in New York. He (and his family) are more likely to be sent to jail for their financial shenanigans at the State level.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:54:53pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Michigan? I smell Posse Comitatus and sovcit Copperheads..

Or did Southern Michigan join the Confederacy while the Upper Peninsula remained Union?

I need to check my history books…

But really, I can accept the notion that a southerner might fly a Confederate flag in memory of their heritage and family traditions, but a display like that in Michigan of all places is meant entirely as racist and intimidating.

Also, a nitpicking historical note: No Confederate Battle Flag ever flew above a State Capitol, they would have flown the Stars and Bars design, which was removed from the battlefield because it was too easily mistaken for a Union Stars and Stripes flag.

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freetoken  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:55:36pm

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Didn’t this story come up last night, when we commented on the claims of the local mayor?

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Lupin  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:55:48pm

re: #86 freetoken

Or, more likely, if Trump is forced to leave office early then Pence will pardon Trump, citing Ford as an example.

Trump would take the pardon and claim it proves he’s not guilty, even though a pardon means forgiving a guilty person.

There could be enough illegalities attached to Trump via Cohen that Trump may have to leave office.

We’ll find out.

There is undoubtedly, by now undoubtedly, enough evidence of crimes to put some of Trump’s inner circle in prison.

Agreed. A lot of Trump’s circle will end very badly; I think even his business empire will likely collapse, for good this time, but he himself will remain safe in delusional glory in his Florida compound. Considering what state of mind he is in now, I think by 2021 his dementia will be much worse. But he’ll never see the inside of a courtroom.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:57:19pm

re: #92 freetoken

Didn’t this story come up last night, when we commented on the claims of the local mayor?

It did. Over his claims that he did not immediately see any “racist motives” in displaying a Confederate flag in fucking Michigan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 19, 2018 • 11:58:10pm

re: #93 Lupin

Agreed. A lot of Trump’s circle will end very badly; I think even his business empire will likely collapse, for good this time, but he himself will remain safe in delusional glory in his Florida compound. Considering what state of mind he is in now, I think by 2021 his dementia will be much worse. But he’ll never see the inside of a courtroom.

He will still be able to make a fortune on speeches and ghostwritten books on how he suffered at the hands of the Deep State and the Leftist Media.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:00:01am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or did Southern Michigan join the Confederacy while the Upper Peninsula remained Union?

I need to check my history books…

But really, I can accept the notion that a southerner might fly a Confederate flag in memory of his heritage and family traditions, but a display like that in Michigan of all places is meant entirely as racist and intimidating.

Also, a nitpicking historical note: No Confederate Battle Flag ever flew above a State Capitol, they would have flown the Stars and Bars design, which was removed from the battlefield because it was too easily mistaken for a Union Stars and Stripes flag.

It’s amazing how many Confederate sympathizers (Con-Simps?) think the Beauregard flag:

is the “Stars and Bars”:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:08:20am

re: #96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s amazing how many Confederate sympathizers (Con-Simps?) think the Beauregard flag:

And when they took to flying the Confederate Battle Flag over state capitols in the South in the 1960’s, they were not doing it for reasons of history and heritage, but for reasons of racism and intimidation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:08:21am

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Michigan? I smell Posse Comitatus and sovcit Copperheads..

I remember my home state as a hotbed of Confederate activity. /s

Well, at least they’re not flying Nazi flags like the ranch up the road some miles from me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:09:11am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

I remember my home state as a hotbed of Confederate activity. /s

Well, at least they’re not flying Nazi flags like the ranch up the road some miles from me.

And lots of people are perfectly comfortable flying the two flags side by side.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:09:21am

*snort*

The chief Copperhead, Clement Vallandigham, died a most undignified death, accidentally shooting himself while trying to demonstrate how a man could accidentally shoot himself:

Vallandigham died in 1871 in Lebanon, Ohio, at the age of 50, after accidentally shooting himself in the abdomen with a pistol. He was representing a defendant, Thomas McGehan, in a murder case for killing a man in a barroom brawl in Hamilton, Ohio. Vallandigham attempted to prove the victim, Tom Myers, had in fact accidentally shot himself while drawing his pistol from a pocket while rising from a kneeling position. As Vallandigham conferred with fellow defense attorneys in his hotel room at the Lebanon House, today’s Golden Lamb Inn, he showed them how he would demonstrate this to the jury. Selecting a pistol he believed to be unloaded, he put it in his pocket and enacted the events as they might have happened, snagging the loaded gun on his clothing and unintentionally causing it to discharge into his belly. Although he was fatally wounded, Vallandigham’s demonstration proved his point, and the defendant, Thomas McGehan, was acquitted and released from custody (only to be shot to death four years later in his saloon). Surgeons probed for the pistol ball, thought to have lodged in the vicinity of Vallandigham’s bladder, but were unable to locate it, and Vallandigham died the next day of peritonitis.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:09:30am

re: #96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Have to do it …

Current Confederates:

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:12:23am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:14:37am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:15:25am

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

At least until every Ecuadorian citizen has internet service first….

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:21:27am

And to cement the argument that these Neo-Confederate traitors should move to Somalia, it already uses the Bonny Blue Flag:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:28:31am
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Teukka  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:45:46am

re: #96 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s amazing how many Confederate sympathizers (Con-Simps?) think the Beauregard flag:

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Then you have these two:

“Stainless Banner”
“Bloodstained Banner”

And no list of Confederate flags is complete without the final flag:

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:59:35am

I enjoyed this synopsis of the war of 1812

The War of 1812 - Crash Course US History #11

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 20, 2018 • 1:04:06am

re: #107 Teukka

Then you have these two:

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The first one of those was also used by the navy (in addition to the stars and bars). They never used the bare Beauregard flag, because no ship has any use for a flag that can’t be inverted to signal distress.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 1:21:44am

I’m guessing the yam takes credit for this when he wakes up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 20, 2018 • 2:01:11am

I’m off for the night … Good night y’all. I do enjoy the chats here … I am glad I found this place of thoughtful people. I especially enjoy when I am challenged to think about things I am unaware of or don’t agree with.

I’ve learned quite a bit since I stumbled in the back door of Mr. Johnson’s on-line home in December 2015.

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2018 • 2:01:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 2:06:20am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

I’m off for the night … Good night y’all. I do enjoy the chats here … I am glad I found this place of thoughtful people. I especially enjoy when I am challenged to think about things I am unaware of or don’t agree with.

I’ve learned quite a bit since I stumbled in the back door of Mr. Johnson’s on-line home in December 2015.

Been here since 2007 and still enjoying it

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2018 • 2:16:00am
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Kragar  Apr 20, 2018 • 2:20:06am

This is my favorite.

Last I checked, a weekend was more than one day.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 20, 2018 • 2:23:13am

Meanwhile, the Brexit clown parade/shitshow continues:

Proposals for the future of the Irish border after Brexit were “annihilated” by EU officials, who said none of the options would work.

EU diplomatic sources told The Daily Telegraph that Brussels officials delivered a “detailed and forensic rebuttal”, and said “none of the UK customs options will work - none of them”.

The revelation came after Britain’s lead negotiator Olly Robbins met with senior EU officials, and has raised doubts about hopes for the future deal with Europe.

A UK Government spokesman said Britain is continuing an “intensive work programme to engage” all the scenarios set out in December’s Joint Report, which was agreed by Theresa May and European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker.

news.sky.com

There’s that stubborn Irish issue popping up again. And it will continue to pop up, and in the end, it could very well scuttle Brexit or at least make it little more than a “Brexit In Name Only”, which I’m seeing increasing speculation about.

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2018 • 2:28:39am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

Brexit is looking more and more like it was a psyops against the UK.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 20, 2018 • 2:32:26am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, the Brexit clown parade/shitshow continues:

news.sky.com

There’s that stubborn Irish issue popping up again. And it will continue to pop up, and in the end, it could very well scuttle Brexit or at least make it little more than a “Brexit In Name Only”, which I’m seeing increasing speculation about.

Maybe between tRump and Brexit people will learn to stop casting “protest” votes that they think won’t make any difference.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 3:43:19am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, the Brexit clown parade/shitshow continues:

news.sky.com

There’s that stubborn Irish issue popping up again. And it will continue to pop up, and in the end, it could very well scuttle Brexit or at least make it little more than a “Brexit In Name Only”, which I’m seeing increasing speculation about.

There is no other option for Ireland other than reunification…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 3:44:18am

re: #118 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Maybe between tRump and Brexit people will learn to stop casting “protest” votes that they think won’t make any difference.

I think a lot of it was more like “we want change for change’s sake!” without thinking the consequences through

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Dave In Austin  Apr 20, 2018 • 3:48:12am
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freetoken  Apr 20, 2018 • 3:48:20am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is no other option for Ireland other than reunification…

But that too is not an acceptable option for many.

The old solution: both UK and RoI in the EU allowed for a seamless border which quenched some old animosity-driven fights over the border.

Bring back the border, now it’s back to Ireland as divided the hard way.

It’s also a good example of how crazy the import/export business is going to become for the citizens of the UK in the very near future. Under the EU, goods and services could cross the border uninhibited. Now there will be border checks and tariffs unless a trade deal can be struck in time.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 20, 2018 • 3:52:00am

DaFuk?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 3:55:29am

re: #122 freetoken

But that too is not an acceptable option for many.

The old solution: both UK and RoI in the EU allowed for a seamless border which quenched some old animosity-driven fights over the border.

Bring back the border, now it’s back to Ireland as divided the hard way.

It’s also a good example of how crazy the import/export business is going to become for the citizens of the UK in the very near future. Under the EU, goods and services could cross the border uninhibited. Now there will be border checks and tariffs unless a trade deal can be struck in time.

Unless they opt for an incredibly soft-to-nonexistent Brexit, there will have to be sort of physical controls along the border.

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2018 • 4:06:45am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dissolution and divorce are just a mess. Almost always are, which is why our histories are littered with civil wars.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 4:25:36am

re: #125 freetoken

Dissolution and divorce are just a mess. Almost always are, which is why our histories are littered with civil wars.

I can say that from personal experience…

And I am convinced that the chaos following the collapse of the USSR was fully intended in order to make people welcome the rise of an authoritarian ruler.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 20, 2018 • 4:41:30am

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Michigan? I smell Posse Comitatus and sovcit Copperheads..

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That’s what I was thinking. Long ago militias started forming in the back woods of Michigan and Wisconsin.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:21:45am

re: #117 freetoken

Brexit is looking more and more like it was a psyops against the UK.

Looking? It was completely driven by right-wing ideologues, many who have ties with Russia, supported by Murdoch run newspapers (geared at the Olds, because, really, how many Youngs read newspapers?) Murdoch himself has ties to Russia.

Murdoch, for whatever reason, wants to destabilize the west.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:22:48am

$3.00 gal. by summer.

That stinks of bullshit to high heaven

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:23:35am

re: #128 MsJ

Looking? It was completely driven by right-wing ideologues, many who have ties with Russia, supported by Murdoch run newspapers (geared at the Olds, because, really, how many Youngs read newspapers?) Murdoch himself has ties to Russia.

Murdoch, for whatever reason, wants to destabilize the west.

The more hapless and floundering we are in the West, the more Russia has a free hand to implement its policy. They have done an admirable job. They recognized a weakness in our system and exploited it fully.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:24:52am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

Any so called tax cut the middle class were getting from the GOP tax scam are gone thanks to gasoline prices now hitting 4 year high and climbing

And especially all those folks in rural areas who have greater distances to drive (and voted overwhelmingly for Trump) are going to be hit worse than the urban elites who at least have access to some form of alternate transportation.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:26:29am

re: #54 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Star Trek: The Motion Picture just started on STARZ, reminded that Star Fleet personnel are wearing pajamas

They are comfy.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:28:35am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

$3.00 gal. by summer.

That stinks of bullshit to high heaven

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Dave In Austin  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:30:36am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And then…… Reality fails them completely.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:32:38am

Who was it that noticed all this Air force flying yesterday? Yup you were right.

Strategic Exercise
It started around 4pm PST when no less than a dozen KC-10 tankers began to pop up over the central United States. Around the same time, spotters in Minneapolis-St. Paul looked up to see a quartet of B-2 bombers barreling their way towards the southwest, their contrails streaking across the sky. It seems that yet another group of two sets of two B-2s followed shortly after. That is half the B-2 fleet in the air together at one time—something was clearly going

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:34:29am

re: #25 jaunte

James Comey Memos just out and show clearly that there was NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION. Also, he leaked classified information. WOW! Will the Witch Hunt continue?

this is almost like writing “that sixth grade kid’s essay doesnt show collusion or obstrucstion”

just for clarity, no memo could possibly disprove collusion or obstruction.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:39:30am

“If you take the Comey memos at their word, they’re devastating to President Trump with regard to whether he’s telling the truth. He wrote these at the time — let’s remember when these memos were written — they were written at a time when James Comey presumably wasn’t worried about his job. And they detail conversations the president says never happened. If these conversations did happen, and it sure looks like they did based on these contemporary memos, it means that the president is lying.”

Abrams also analyzed news on the Department of Justice’s Inspector General criminal referral for Andrew McCabe. He said it was a “dangerous situation” for the former FBI deputy director.

“Andrew McCabe needs to be concerned,” Abrams concluded.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:46:41am

re: #137 MsJ

If Donal Trump is ever called to testify on any of there matters, there is no way he will be able to open his mouth with perjuring or contradicting himself or conflicting with other sworn testimony.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:48:29am
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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:51:05am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:52:29am

Different kinds of screws

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:55:45am

re: #140 MsJ

So General Michael Flynn’s life can be totally destroyed while Shadey James Comey can Leak and Lie and make lots of money from a third rate book (that should never have been written). Is that really the way life in America is supposed to work? I don’t think so!

Translated into English:

“So Michael Flynn is being to taken to task for violating the law and lying about it while a person whom I fired has disclosed factual but highly unflattering evidence based on notes that he took during his tenure in office as the head of the FBI.”

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 5:57:14am

More right wing bullshit. Shocking, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:00:32am

still a moron

high gas prices are OPEC’s fault!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:02:15am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:03:23am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

So what is he going to do? Tell those incoming tankers to turn around and go home, if they don’t accept his “deal”?

BTW I’ve been away dealing with a recalcitrant graphics card in an Ubuntu machine. I may have got it figured out now, so here I am back again.

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Jay C  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:05:31am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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So: any hints from Our Preznit as to exactly what he may/can/will do about those high pump prices? However “unacceptable” he might consider them?
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Don’t wait up….

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:05:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:07:05am
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freetoken  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:07:46am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Judgement by Lexicon.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:08:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:09:16am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:09:44am
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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:09:56am

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

I am worried about two possible outcomes from the Mueller probe:

1. Trump somehow gets exonerated (terrible precedent and the gloating will be unbearable).

2. Mueller nails almost everyone in Trumps inner circle but can’t get enough on Trump himself to bring him down. Trump survives, throws everyone else under the bus and gets reelected in 2020.

How many times has the rot been everywhere but the top?

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jeffreyw  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:10:36am

Imgur
Good morning!

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:11:18am

re: #155 jeffreyw

Some sort of sizing error.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:11:40am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

GOPers leaked the DOJ memos written about Comey within minutes of getting their grubby hands on them.

Why? Because they think it would somehow help the GOP?

Nunes is a fucking moron who continually leaks information that he thinks helps Trump, but only shows his rank incompetence and fact that he’s complicit and compromised as part of Trumpworld.

The memos again confirm what we’ve known all along. Flynn’s a liar and compromised. Trump was warned of this and ignored the intel community position on Flynn. Flynn was fired by Trump only after pressure (and after Flynn had been instrumental during the campaign and transition as one of the people vetting everyone else Trump wanted as part of his admin).

Nothing in those memos shows Comey wrongdoing.

It shows that Trump is again intent on obstructing justice and interefering with ongoing investigations with the barrage of tweets this morning.

He thinks that the GOP leaking the memos somehow proves his claims he’s not involved in collusion? He’s dumber than we give him credit for.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:13:59am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s absolutely clueless about supply/demand and the economy.

Wharton called. They want his paid-for degree back.

OPEC has signaled they want to keep oil above $70 a barrel. Saudis want to push it to $100.

Trump’s response? Drill baby drill. Let the US sap our resources despite the fact the US is producing more oil than any other point in our history. It’s not making much of a difference because the international oil prices are set in market trading.

OPEC is controlling prices by controlling supply.

The flip side is you can reduce demand and drive prices down. GOP doesn’t think to address that at all.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:17:58am

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

Flynn’s book would be, “Why we did it.”

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:18:10am

Heh.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:18:30am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

A word I’ve frequently used to describe Trump’s four states:

1) lie
2) bully
3) bloviate
4) project

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:18:50am

Trump’s closest friends right now are KSA and Russia, two places that benefit most from rising oil prices/demand. He doesn’t give a shit.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:19:37am

UNFU….

Nope. Totally fucking believable:

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jeffreyw  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:19:39am

re: #156 freetoken

Hmm. I resized the image and it is displaying correctly now in the comment space. Odd, since the problem hasn’t “cropped” up before. i.e., yesterday’s morning picture was a full res shot and it showed OK.

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:21:25am

re: #158 lawhawk

The flip side is you can reduce demand and drive prices down. GOP doesn’t think to address that at all.

The Great Recession of 2008 was accompanied by a significant downturn in mileage driven by Americans, i.e. reduced demand, at a time when additional liquids production were coming online from the extensive drilling of previously not-profitable-to-produce resources. This drilling being investments made because of the sharp rise in prices in the years before the Great Recession.

Now that we’ve recovered (well, in some ways) from said recession, mileage driven is up again. But the low prices for crude liquids post-recession means less investment in exploration/drilling.

Thus once again prices are rising.

US gasoline prices are really about American consumption and production. We don’t consume that much OPEC production, and what we used to consume of OPEC was often from Venezuela.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:22:07am

re: #163 lawhawk

UNFU….

Nope. Totally fucking believable:

[Embedded content]

then the next paragraph in that memo:

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:22:32am

re: #158 lawhawk

He’s absolutely clueless about supply/demand and the economy.

Wharton called. They want his paid-for degree back.

OPEC has signaled they want to keep oil above $70 a barrel. Saudis want to push it to $100.

Trump’s response? Drill baby drill. Let the US sap our resources despite the fact the US is producing more oil than any other point in our history. It’s not making much of a difference because the international oil prices are set in market trading.

OPEC is controlling prices by controlling supply.

The flip side is you can reduce demand and drive prices down. GOP doesn’t think to address that at all.

Reminds me of the “gas crisis” of the mid-1970s, when we had other Republicans in the White House.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:30:30am

re: #163 lawhawk

UNFU….

Nope. Totally fucking believable:

[Embedded content]

So not only was Trump NOT with any hookers, but he was NOT with THE BEST HOOKERS IN THE WORLD. The guy brags about everything.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:31:34am

re: #167 wheat-dogg

Reminds me of the “gas crisis” of the mid-1970s, when we had other Republicans in the White House.

I think Putin called Trump and said, “It’d be nice if oil went back up by about $25 a barrel.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:36:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:36:42am

One cannot link the price of oil to a Presidency, that was attempted under Obama repeatedly, he was blamed every time prices rose.

So I will refrain from doing anything other than noting that increases in gasoline prices are going to impact people in rural areas more so than those in urban areas and let you draw your own conclusions about what that might mean…

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:37:04am
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Mike Lamb  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:37:59am

Amongst his other crimes against humanity, Trump railing about James Comey being a “leaker” based on Comey’s leaked memos finally killed irony, cremated it, and spread its ashes at sea…

Also, the timing of the memo leak has to be some kind of record, right? I mean, that’s the equivalent of a goal in soccer directly from the kick off. Did Nunes and Goodlatte just decide “Hey, everyone knows what we are going to do, so fuck it, why wait?”?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:38:09am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

Assad has just given Syrian refugees 30 days to prove ownership of their land (from abroad!) or they lose it—part of his view that anyone who flees is an enemy, highlighting why “safe” return under Assad is a pipedream

so he is going to confiscate property from 5 million refugees? (not counting the 6 million displaced within the country)

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:43:02am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so he is going to confiscate property from 5 million refugees? (not counting the 6 million displaced within the country)

Pretty much.

L’etat, c’est moi.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:46:43am

Well, here’s some exciting news for people who depend on their cellphones for nearly everything.

Law enforcement agencies spoof cell towers with devices called StingRays to intercept cellphone transmissions of “persons of interest.” In the process, they scoop up transmissions from anyone else nearby.

There are StingRays all over Washington, DC. Also military bases. And if you don’t have the $1,800 to buy one made in China, you can build one yourself for about $10 in parts.

qz.com

Oh, and crooks use them too.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:52:39am

Prince’s original recording of ‘Nothing Compares 2 U’ was released yesterday. I’m definitely more used to Sinead’s version, but Prince’s is pretty good, too.

And the rehearsal footage is just crazy. That band worked hard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:53:03am
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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:54:50am

My wife joked about making brownies since today is 4/20.

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:55:48am

re: #146 wheat-dogg

So what is he going to do? Tell those incoming tankers to turn around and go home, if they don’t accept his “deal”?

BTW I’ve been away dealing with a recalcitrant graphics card in an Ubuntu machine. I may have got it figured out now, so here I am back again.

thought it’s regarding tariffs, apparently that’s what this fleet just did. money is money

Exclusive: U.S. sorghum armada U-turns at sea after China tariffs

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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2018 • 6:57:05am

re: #179 Belafon

My wife joked about making brownies since today is 4/20.

Would that I could. I no longer smoke anything but edibles would be nice. But not just yet in Wisconsin…

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:00:32am

re: #180 dangerman

thought it’s regarding tariffs, apparently that’s what this fleet just did. money is money

Exclusive: U.S. sorghum armada U-turns at sea after China tariffs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:00:55am
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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:01:38am

re: #146 wheat-dogg

BTW I’ve been away dealing with a recalcitrant graphics card in an Ubuntu machine. I may have got it figured out now, so here I am back again.

Fun … not.

Linux has come a long way but when something like a video card doesn’t want to work, it’s like it’s 1990 and you’re digging up Eric S. Raymond’s FAQ’s and waving a dead chicken over the boxen…

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Weaselone  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:04:45am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so he is going to confiscate property from 5 million refugees? (not counting the 6 million displaced within the country)

I would love to offer many of those people a home in this country. There’s plenty of rural areas as well as some major urban ones like Detroit that could use injection of population after having been hollowed out over that last several decades. Alas, two problems that could provide at least partial solutions for one another won’t because hairless chimpanzees.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:05:04am

re: #184 William Lewis

Fun … not.

Linux has come a long way but when something like a video card doesn’t want to work, it’s like it’s 1990 and you’re digging up Eric S. Raymond’s FAQ’s and waving a dead chicken over the boxen…

I’m running Ubuntu, and I have an NVidia card. I discovered the hard way that you don’t use the NVidia supplied driver for updates. There’s now a mechanism you can set up that supports auto updating the driver.

As much as I like Linux, you have to want to become competent at OS management in order to use it, and you generally need a second computer in case something really messes up.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:05:51am

re: #185 Weaselone

I would love to offer many of those people a home in this country. There’s plenty of rural areas as well as some major urban ones like Detroit that could use injection of population after having been hollowed out over that last several decades. Alas, two problems that could provide at least partial solutions for one another won’t because hairless chimpanzees.

The rural people are the ones least likely to accept them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:11:33am
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Weaselone  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:13:39am

re: #187 Belafon

The rural people are the ones least likely to accept them.

Nobody is accepting any of them currently regardless of location. Well, to be accurately, we accepted 7 out of how many million last year.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:13:57am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still the greatest quote of all time. Happy 420

So a long time ago I was trying to tell the one about “I’m not as think as you stoned I am,” except I was so stoned at the time that it came out as “I’m not as stoned as you think I am”

Pretty meta 4/20 humor.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:14:18am

re: #184 William Lewis

Fun … not.

Linux has come a long way but when something like a video card doesn’t want to work, it’s like it’s 1990 and you’re digging up Eric S. Raymond’s FAQ’s and waving a dead chicken over the boxen…

Canonical (parent company of the Ubuntu distro) and AMD have not exactly made installing graphics cards easy in since Ubuntu 14.04. For my card, I have to use the semi-closed source AMDGPU-Pro drivers from AMD, and while they work well, I was having trouble with the cooling fans, as in, they weren’t spinning at all. I was cursing the drivers all yesterday, but I think it’s the card. If it overheats for any reason, it has to cool down to room temperature for the temp sensors to once again tell the fans to spin.

It seems now that I had to invoke the drivers’ power management at boot up for them to work properly in Ubuntu. Also, there are some command-line hacks to spin up the fans before trying any GPU-intensive tasks, like mining.

Meanwhile, all is not rosy with the Windows installation, because the used desktop I bought came with 32-bit Win7 (for a 64-bit CPU) and most mining apps expect a 64-bit OS.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:14:44am

re: #189 Weaselone

Nobody is accepting any of them currently regardless of location. Well, to be accurately, we accepted 7 out of how many million last year.

I know, but, the xenophobia that led to Trump’s election was driven in large part by rural areas.

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:15:04am

re: #182 MsJ

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in case reuters didnt make it crystal clear:

- the tariff is 179%
- china is the biggest importer of american sorghum
- guess what color are the 10 biggest states that produce sorghum? - yup trump won 9. and there’s 5 senate seats in play

china is running rings around this admin

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:17:42am

re: #185 Weaselone

I would love to offer many of those people a home in this country. There’s plenty of rural areas as well as some major urban ones like Detroit that could use injection of population after having been hollowed out over that last several decades. Alas, two problems that could provide at least partial solutions for one another won’t because hairless chimpanzees.

There’s a town in Italy that did just that. Its wage-earning population had largely moved away, leaving many properties and businesses vacant. So the mayor of the town decided to invite hundreds of refugees to live there. At last report, it was working well, though ironically the refugees will eventually move on, too.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:18:22am

re: #193 dangerman

in case reuters didnt make it crystal clear:

- the tariff is 179%
- china is the biggest importer of american sorghum
- guess what color are the 10 biggest states that produce sorghum? - yup trump won 9. and there’s 5 senate seats in play

china is running rings around this admin

Can we hope people know about this? I saw it was ADM (or Cargill…I’m too lazy to go back and look) that took the hit (for the most part). Are farmers contracted or do the giant Ag corps own their own land? Will this new known across, say, Iowa?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:18:37am

re: #193 dangerman

in case reuters didnt make it crystal clear:

- the tariff is 179%
- china is the biggest importer of american sorghum
- guess what color are the 10 biggest states that produce sorghum? - yup trump won 9. and there’s 5 senate seats in play

china is running rings around this admin

Targeting the very regions of the USA that voted for him. China is not dumb.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:19:52am

re: #194 wheat-dogg

There’s a town in Italy that did just that. Its wage-earning population had largely moved away, leaving many properties and businesses vacant. So the mayor of the town decided to invite hundreds of refugees to live there. At last report, it was working well, though ironically the refugees will eventually move on, too.

That place was gorgeous. And it wasn’t horribly far from a big town (like 100km). I don’t understand why it declined like it did.

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:21:21am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

A school shooting on the day of a #NationalSchoolWalkout to remember students killed during a school shooting. How fittingly grim

one of 5 schools i attended, my alma mater, suny binghamton NY has had two deaths in 5 weeks.

times-union

not with a gun - one was stabbed, the other strangled.
these were still violent, nasty, angry, vengeful

i just think back. this was inconceivable. college kids didnt kill each other. and now younger. high school, middle school.

thinking this way was inconceivable.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:22:22am

re: #197 MsJ

That place was gorgeous. And it wasn’t horribly far from a big town (like 100km). I don’t understand why it declined like it did.

Heck, I’d move there myself.

Hm. Maybe a retirement idea.

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:23:04am

re: #186 Belafon

I’m running Ubuntu, and I have an NVidia card. I discovered the hard way that you don’t use the NVidia supplied driver for updates. There’s now a mechanism you can set up that supports auto updating the driver.

As much as I like Linux, you have to want to become competent at OS management in order to use it, and you generally need a second computer in case something really messes up.

they used to say that about jaguars and other exotic cars
buy 2 and also adopt a mechanic into the family

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:25:12am

re: #197 MsJ

That place was gorgeous. And it wasn’t horribly far from a big town (like 100km). I don’t understand why it declined like it did.

Towns reach a tipping point in which there are not enough young people around to make it interesting for other young people to stay.

We were fortunate enough to live in a village on the Rhine with only 180 souls, but many of them were young families who, like ourselves, had moved there to find an affordable place to raise their kids.

And we have large cities (Mainz/Wiesbaden) about 40 minutes away and Frankfurt less than an hour off.

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:26:24am

re: #195 MsJ

Can we hope people know about this? I saw it was ADM (or Cargill…I’m too lazy to go back and look) that took the hit (for the most part). Are farmers contracted or do the giant Ag corps own their own land? Will this new known across, say, Iowa?

not my field of expertise

i would suggest that those in the business follow this kind of info and do know

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:27:04am

re: #198 dangerman

one of 5 schools i attended, my alma mater, suny binghamton NY has had two deaths in 5 weeks.

times-union

not with a gun - one was stabbed, the other strangled.
these were still violent, nasty, angry, vengeful

i just think back. this was inconceivable. college kids didnt kill each other. and now younger. high school, middle school.

thinking this way wa inconceivable.

I thought the same thing last night when I read a thing about almost all girls getting groped at concerts. I used to go to all kinds of concerts (ticketed seats, lawn seating, etc.) and I was never groped. I don’t know anyone will was (and I had a couple of friends who were model hot).

Of course this is on a whole different plane, but still…

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:28:58am

re: #186 Belafon

I’m running Ubuntu, and I have an NVidia card. I discovered the hard way that you don’t use the NVidia supplied driver for updates. There’s now a mechanism you can set up that supports auto updating the driver.

As much as I like Linux, you have to want to become competent at OS management in order to use it, and you generally need a second computer in case something really messes up.

Linux it still not an OS you’d want to put on granny’s computer, unless she happens to have a CS degree. I just expect problems whenever I go the Linux route. There are now specific Linux distros (which cost money) for mining installations, and remarkably they use previous versions of debian, Ubuntu and GPU drivers, because the kinks in those have long since been worked out. Most home users, though, use free Windows apps for mining now, because they usually work out of the box (so to speak).

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:29:24am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Little Jeffy Sessions is not going to like this decriminalization thinking. He’s going to make this a Christian Conservative stand against the evil of Devil Weed!

And Trump will back him and talk about how his brother died and we all need to abstain from everything.

So, I wholeheartedly think we should abstain from Trump and Sessions!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:31:03am

re: #205 ObserverArt

Little Jeffy Sessions is not going to like this decriminalization thinking. He’s going to make this a Christian Conservative stand against the evil of Devil Weed!

And Trump will back him and talk about how his brother died and we all need to abstain from everything.

So, I wholeheartedly think we should abstain from Trump and Sessions!

It is a major potential source of revenue at a time when we cannot raise any other taxes on anything else.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:31:52am

re: #205 ObserverArt

Little Jeffy Sessions is not going to like this decriminalization thinking. He’s going to make this a Christian Conservative stand against the evil of Devil Weed!

And Trump will back him and talk about how his brother died and we all need to abstain from everything.

So, I wholeheartedly think we should abstain from Trump and Sessions!

Sing it, brother!

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:37:14am

re: #193 dangerman

Sure would be nice to have competent leadership. We have the opposite. But a couple facts I can not ignore.

1.)The gold/platinum jewelry wholesale/mfg biz has always been effectively locked out of China.

2.) At our trade shows there are Asia sections, frequently Chinese gold makers selling to our biggest buyers here. The big chains that are 1000+ stores, the department stores.

Access to roughly 10x more customers would be a boon. The size of their middle and upper economic classes make room for everyone. We have no opportunity to even try to compete. I think Chinese consumers might just welcome American goods, just as subject to ordinary impulses to own the pretty or cool thing as anywhere.

I want to talk to our trade guys, but under Trump? Hopeless.

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Weaselone  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:42:20am

re: #194 wheat-dogg

There’s a town in Italy that did just that. Its wage-earning population had largely moved away, leaving many properties and businesses vacant. So the mayor of the town decided to invite hundreds of refugees to live there. At last report, it was working well, though ironically the refugees will eventually move on, too.

I had read an article about that. Hopefully, not all the refugees will move on or it will take awhile. If there’s enough young people, it could conceivably take generations for the town to completely decline again..and if the town gets a reputation/culture of being open and accepting refugees and new immigrants, maybe it will always have new people to replace those who leave.

For some places in the US like Detroit, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue. One of Detroit’s big problems is that it was built to have 100s of thousands more people in it than it does now. An injection of 100s thousands of new people could rejuvenate the city and a population that large can set up to be self sustaining.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:43:31am

re: #209 Weaselone

I had read an article about that. Hopefully, not all the refugees will move on or it will take awhile. If there’s enough young people, it could conceivably take generations for the town to completely decline again..and if the town gets a reputation/culture of being open and accepting refugees and new immigrants, maybe it will always have new people to replace those who leave.

For some places in the US like Detroit, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue. One of Detroit’s big problems is that it was built to have 100s of thousands more people in it than it does now. An injection of 100s thousands of new people could rejuvenate the city and a population that large can set up to be self sustaining.

ditto for Gary, Indiana, whose population dipped from 150K in the 70’s to less than 95K today…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:53:29am

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 7:53:57am

So, what wacky hijinks are the Totally Inept CriminalsTM up to today?

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:00:05am

I was wondering. Does the Republican FreeDon caucus (The Entire GOP) have any more secret but damaging to the Mueller info that anyone can think of they might try to leak?

I know they have been very creative and there is always a good chance they will just create something from nothing. But, it seems they may have played one of their biggest cards and still came up way short.

I bet they are trying to worm their way into Mueller’s staff to find some wrenches they can throw, but that is probably not going to work as Mueller runs a tight ship.

I’d like to be in the Congress meetings with Nunes, Meadows and Jordan this morning just to hear if they think yesterdays “leak” accomplished anything.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:04:19am

re: #208 Unshaken Defiance

China has deliberately shut out (some) imported goods and services to benefit domestic goods and services. How it managed to join the WTO befuddles me, because China has plenty of protectionist practices and dubious Intellectual Property practices. They *say* they are following WTO requirements, but it’s just lip service.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:07:03am

re: #209 Weaselone

I had read an article about that. Hopefully, not all the refugees will move on or it will take awhile. If there’s enough young people, it could conceivably take generations for the town to completely decline again..and if the town gets a reputation/culture of being open and accepting refugees and new immigrants, maybe it will always have new people to replace those who leave.

For some places in the US like Detroit, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue. One of Detroit’s big problems is that it was built to have 100s of thousands more people in it than it does now. An injection of 100s thousands of new people could rejuvenate the city and a population that large can set up to be self sustaining.

You know what Detroit did, something I think is very cool, they built a community of tiny houses (600 sq ft with a reasonable patch of land) and are doing a kind of rent-to-own thing where if the people made x number of years of payments as rentals, it became a mortgage where they owned it. It was completely reasonable in terms of cost and an amazing ability to get people into a homeowner equity economic class that they might have been permanently excluded from previously.

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Weaselone  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:09:40am

re: #213 ObserverArt

Just pretend you’re completely corrupt, stupid (but think you’re brilliant) and you can generally figure out some potential next moves. I’m thinking beyond their general BS, that they’ll probably try to get materials directly from Mueller’s investigation, including things like the names of government witnesses and attempt to drag in Mueller and his team for questioning by Congress looking to find discrepancies in testimony to undermine the team and perhaps set up some perjury traps.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:12:30am

I try not to body shame people, but jeez louise.

I’m reminded of Mike Myers as Fat Bastard.

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austin_blue  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:12:37am

re: #171 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One cannot link the price of oil to a Presidency, that was attempted under Obama repeatedly, he was blamed every time prices rose.

So I will refrain from doing anything other than noting that increases in gasoline prices are going to impact people in rural areas more so than those in urban areas and let you draw your own conclusions about what that might mean…

And you shouldn’t, of course.

OPEC is a fucking Cartel. Cartel’s are semi-monopolies that exist for the sole purpose of keeping the value of a product artificially high.

Another Cartel is De Beers, which serves the same function in the trade of diamonds.

They distort free markets because that is their purpose. They are, by definition, out of any control so long as they are allowed to exist and cooperate internally.

This is not rocket science. This is Macroeconomics 101.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:14:06am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

China has deliberately shut out (some) imported goods and services to benefit domestic goods and services. How it managed to join the WTO befuddles me, because China has plenty of protectionist practices and dubious Intellectual Property practices. They *say* they are following WTO requirements, but it’s just lip service.

members are willing to turn a blind eye because they are such a lucrative partner, just like Melania and Don

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:17:58am

re: #217 wheat-dogg

I try not to body shame people, but jeez louise.

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I’m reminded of Mike Myers as Fat Bastard.

I don’t like it either but given his history of trashing people, I’m okay with an exception.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:18:35am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

members are willing to turn a blind eye because they are such a lucrative partner, just like Melania and Don

Not sure how lucrative Don is. Mel could have done better with another sugar daddy, IMO.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:19:32am

re: #217 wheat-dogg

I try not to body shame people, but jeez louise.

[Embedded content]

I’m reminded of Mike Myers as Fat Bastard.

Melania needs to change his diaper.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:20:19am

re: #217 wheat-dogg

He’s getting pretty tubby. I’d wager he’s a stress eater.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:22:40am

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

He’s getting pretty tubby. I’d wager he’s a stress eater.

And focusing on “comfort foods,” McD’s and KFC, not to mention two scoops of ice cream.
I suspect he wants that WH doctor at the VA so he can avoid the doc’s admonitions to eat sensibly.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:22:48am

re: #223 Dr Lizardo

He’s getting pretty tubby. I’d wager he’s a stress eater.

I don’t think he ever exercises. I mean Bush ran, Obama had basketball, Trump?

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Weaselone  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:25:20am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I don’t think he ever exercises. I mean Bush ran, Obama had basketball, Trump?

The man spends more time exercising on the golf course than the two of them combined. The man is a machine. It’s not his fault all his muscle ends up on his butt and gut.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:25:22am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I don’t think he ever exercises. I mean Bush ran, Obama had basketball, Trump?

I read that Trump does not believe in exercise, that it’s unnecessary or something. Along his notable temper, he could easily have a medical emergency at any time.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:25:31am

re: #214 wheat-dogg

China has deliberately shut out (some) imported goods and services to benefit domestic goods and services. How it managed to join the WTO befuddles me, because China has plenty of protectionist practices and dubious Intellectual Property practices. They *say* they are following WTO requirements, but it’s just lip service.

From what I understand, they were under “developing” status for a while. They’ve come far enough that they should be considered developed for WTO purposes, which would open them up to a whole lot more issues.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:25:35am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I don’t think he ever exercises. I mean Bush ran, Obama had basketball, Trump?

He believes exercise runs down the body’s “battery” and that it shortens your lifespan.

Really.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:26:29am

re: #224 wheat-dogg

And focusing on “comfort foods,” McD’s and KFC, not to mention two scoops of ice cream.
I suspect he wants that WH doctor at the VA so he can avoid the doc’s admonitions to eat sensibly.

so he has someone to be trusted to fudge on his WH physical

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I cannot.  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:26:46am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I believe that Trump has said some dumb shit about not wanting to waste his energy doing that, like he thinks that the human body has a limited battery power and exercising runs the batteries down.

THE HUMAN BODY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:27:03am
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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:27:17am

re: #227 wheat-dogg

I read that Trump does not believe in exercise, that it’s unnecessary or something. Along his notable temper, he could easily have a medical emergency at any time.

He believes it uses up your life essence faster.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:27:23am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

He believes exercise runs down the body’s “battery” and that it shortens your lifespan.

Really.

Yeah I heard that. He’s got some weird beliefs not just about politics but about life as a whole.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:27:47am

Trump’s triglycerides must be over 400!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:28:12am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

He believes exercise runs down the body’s “battery” and that it shortens your lifespan.

Really.

I had a colleague like that who refused to take the stairs to our third-floor office because she told me she had only so much energy per day and if she used it climbing stairs, she would have none left for later.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:28:23am

This is gonna shake some people up…

The Democratic National Committee is suing the Russian government, the Trump campaign and WikiLeaks, alleging that the three entities conspired to help President Trump win the 2016 election.

The Washington Post reported Friday that the DNC filed the multi-million dollar lawsuit in federal district court in Manhattan.

“During the 2016 presidential campaign, Russia launched an all-out assault on our democracy, and it found a willing and active partner in Donald Trump’s campaign,” DNC chairman Tom Perez said in a statement.

“This constituted an act of unprecedented treachery: the campaign of a nominee for President of the United States in league with a hostile foreign power to bolster its own chance to win the presidency.”

The DNC is seeking millions of dollars in damages related to the hacked DNC emails that WikiLeaks published during the campaign, according to the Post.

The lawsuit alleges that hacking and publishing the DNC emails was part of a larger conspiracy to damage Clinton’s campaign and help Trump win the election.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:29:04am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

He believes exercise runs down the body’s “battery” and that it shortens your lifespan.

Really.

It also makes you sweat, which causes you to crave water, which will contaminate your precious bodily fluids.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:29:33am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Yeah I heard that. He’s got some weird beliefs not just about politics but about life as a whole.

Yeah, but I guess weird beliefs* are sorta universal, so I won’t fault him for that. I have a student that swears - absolutely swears - by pyramid power. She maintains that her plants thrive because she keeps them under a pyramid-shaped frame.

*headdesk*

* weird beliefs about life are universal, I should add.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:31:09am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

He believes exercise runs down the body’s “battery” and that it shortens your lifespan.

Really.

He’s a walking bundle of neuroses and conspiracy theories.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:31:29am

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:31:42am

re: #240 wheat-dogg

He’s a walking bundle of neuroses and conspiracy theories.

And blubber.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:31:45am

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, but I guess weird beliefs* are sorta universal, so I won’t fault him for that. I have a student that swears - absolutely swears - by pyramid power. She maintains that her plants thrive because she keeps them under a pyramid-shaped frame.

*headdesk*

* weird beliefs about life are universal, I should add.

True and I’m not going to stop him if he eats like a pig and shortens his life in the process.

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I cannot.  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:31:59am

re: #235 Joe Bacon 🌹

More like…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:32:07am

re: #242 makeitstop

And blubber.

and hot air.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:32:21am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had a colleague like that who refused to take the stairs to our third-floor office because she told me she had only so much energy per day and if she used it climbing stairs, she would have none left for later.

By that reasoning, she should have just stayed in bed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:35:45am

re: #246 wheat-dogg

By that reasoning, she should have just stayed in bed.

she was also a person with some weird reasoning.

we were talking about marijuana, she said that she was afraid to try it because she had an addictive personality and was afraid she would get hooked.

she grew up on a wine-making family

by all rights she should have been an alcoholic…

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:38:16am

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like clockwork.

The reason we keep having school shootings isn’t because there aren’t enough teachers with guns or cops armed to the teeth with guns or good guys with guns, but it’s because there is just too easy access for anyone to get a gun.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:41:11am

Is that DNC lawsuit less of a big deal than I think it is?

I’m a little stunned at the lack of reaction. I thought it was pretty big news.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:41:48am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

she was also a person with some weird reasoning.

we were talking about marijuana, she said that she was afraid to try it because she had an addictive personality and was afraid she would get hooked.

she grew up on a wine-making family

by all rights she should have been an alcoholic…

People here have all kinds of counter-intuitive ideas derived from Traditional Chinese Medicine, such as cold weather (anything below 20 degrees C) promotes illness, so it’s best to wear as much clothing as possible. Babies look like little Eskimos when it’s still in the mid-teens C (50s F), because their grandparents don’t want them catching cold. And oh boy never let a Chinese auntie catch you walking barefoot on a cold tile floor..

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:42:56am

re: #248 lawhawk

Like clockwork.

The reason we keep having school shootings isn’t because there aren’t enough teachers with guns or cops armed to the teeth with guns or good guys with guns, but it’s because there is just too easy access for anyone to get a gun.

It is. It’s frustrating. I have a friend that clearly sees the problems of trigger happy cops but he doesn’t with civilians. Shrug. I really do get why people may want to protect themselves but we’ve fostered this paranoid society where people bring out guns on anyone for anything and people die because of it.

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electrotek  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:44:59am

Update from the bouncer beating his girlfriend in Dallas’ Deep Ellum district the other night:

The girlfriend of the bouncer bailed him out of jail!

Just one question: why?!?!

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:45:07am

re: #249 makeitstop

Is that DNC lawsuit less of a big deal than I think it is?

I’m a little stunned at the lack of reaction. I thought it was pretty big news.

I think you mean “Is the DNC lawsuit being brought up by Democrats? Because if Republicans had done it multiple news sources would be covering it.”

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wheat-dogg  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:46:10am

Time for bed for this guy. Almost midnight in the Middle Kingdom. See you all later

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:48:18am

re: #239 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, but I guess weird beliefs* are sorta universal, so I won’t fault him for that. I have a student that swears - absolutely swears - by pyramid power. She maintains that her plants thrive because she keeps them under a pyramid-shaped frame.

*headdesk*

* weird beliefs about life are universal, I should add.

I debunked that in a school science fair project in the 70s. The pyramid also does not preserve a banana.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:49:09am

re: #252 electrotek

Update from the bouncer beating his girlfriend in Dallas’ Deep Ellum district the other night:

The girlfriend of the bouncer bailed him out of jail!

Just one question: why?!?!

That’s what abused women do, until they wake up, someone else gets through to them, or their abuser kills them.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:49:32am

re: #253 Belafon

I think you mean “Is the DNC lawsuit being brought up by Democrats? Because if Republicans had done it multiple news sources would be covering it.”

It seems to be getting pretty widely reported. I was surprised that it was kinda greeted with a yawn here.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:50:41am

re: #253 Belafon

I think you mean “Is the DNC lawsuit being brought up by Democrats? Because if Republicans had done it multiple news sources would be covering it.”

Chris Cilizza and others like him are preparing their pieces on how this is an overreach by Democrats, and coming up with speculations on how this will hurt Democrats in November. Once those are ready, we’ll see it on the news.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:53:32am

re: #250 wheat-dogg

People here have all kinds of counter-intuitive ideas derived from Traditional Chinese Medicine, such as cold weather (anything below 20 degrees C) promotes illness, so it’s best to wear as much clothing as possible. Babies look like little Eskimos when it’s still in the mid-teens C (50s F), because their grandparents don’t want them catching cold. And oh boy never let a Chinese auntie catch you walking barefoot on a cold tile floor..

Germans are famous for wearing socks and sandals.

My notion was always that it is warm enough for sandals then there is no need for socks…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:53:34am

re: #258 Renaissance_Man

Chris Cilizza and others like him are preparing their pieces on how this is an overreach by Democrats, and coming up with speculations on how this will hurt Democrats in November. Once those are ready, we’ll see it on the news.

DEMS IN DISARRAY!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:55:03am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germans are famous for wearing socks and sandals.

My notion was always that it is warm enough for sandals then there is no need for socks…

But what if someone sees your toes?!?!

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:55:09am

re: #255 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I debunked that in a school science fair project in the 70s. The pyramid also does not preserve a banana.

I remember in the 70s when it was a big thing.

The California band Ambrosia put out an album that folded out into a pyramid.

And Todd Rundgren’s Utopia traveled with a pyramid-themed stage.

Ah, those wacky 70s….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:56:18am

re: #262 makeitstop

I remember in the 70s when it was a big thing.

The California band Ambrosia put out an album that folded out into a pyramid.

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Ah, those wacky 70s….

You have to keep in mind that everyone was on cocaine in the 70s.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:57:39am

re: #263 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You have to keep in mind that everyone was on cocaine in the 70s.

Well, yeah. Those guys who could afford it…

Us small-timers were still working with beer and weed.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:58:44am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germans are famous for wearing socks and sandals.

My notion was always that it is warm enough for sandals then there is no need for socks…

Czechs do it too; it’s something of a joke here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:59:07am

re: #264 makeitstop

Well, yeah. Those guys who could afford it…

Us small-timers were still working with beer and weed.

For all the crazy shit I dabbled with, coke one thing I rarely touched, saw too many people get too screwed up on it.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:59:23am

re: #257 makeitstop

It seems to be getting pretty widely reported. I was surprised that it was kinda greeted with a yawn here.

Was anyone here in charge of seeing if Democrats are doing something significant? :)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:59:33am

re: #264 makeitstop

Well, yeah. Those guys who could afford it…

Us small-timers were still working with beer and weed.

Weed is a lot better than coke anyway.

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Mattand  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:59:55am

re: #263 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You have to keep in mind that everyone was on cocaine in the 70s.

LOL, it made dodgeball in gym class really interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 8:59:55am

re: #265 Dr Lizardo

Czechs do it too; it’s something of a joke here.

This sounds silly but do you got any good tips on Slovak cultural norms? I know you’re in the Czech Republic but I want to be a good guest in my ancestral homeland this summer lol.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:00:30am

re: #268 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Weed is a lot better than coke anyway.

For sure. I stay away from coke but I don’t mind smoking weed. In fact, I like weed more than I do alcohol now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:01:19am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

This sounds silly but do you got any good tips on Slovak cultural norms? I know you’re in the Czech Republic but I want to be a good guest in my ancestral homeland this summer lol.

Disown your son if he marries a Croatian girl (that is about as much as I learned from the Slovak side of my family)

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:02:08am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

For all the crazy shit I dabbled with, coke one thing I rarely touched, saw too many people get too screwed up on it.

There was a lot more coke around in the 80s, the hair band days, in the crowd I ran with.

I never bought it, but it was always around if I had the urge. But I really didn’t enjoy it all that much and drank beer instead.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:02:41am

re: #268 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Weed is a lot better than coke anyway.

Agreed.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:04:11am

re: #12 Stanley Sea

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:04:34am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Disown your son if he marries a Croatian girl (that is about as much as I learned from the Slovak side of my family)

Actually my brother already did that lol. His wife is 1/4 Croatian. But my brother is also 1/4 Slovene so my niece is thus the Queen of the Catholic Balkans. Her grandmother’s parents being from the former Yugoslavia actually allowed me to explain how Hispanics can be any race to my grandmother. Just told her that instead of going to the US or Canada like many of ours did, they went to Peru.

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CleverToad  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:04:40am

re: #257 makeitstop

It seems to be getting pretty widely reported. I was surprised that it was kinda greeted with a yawn here.

Not yawning, but not sure what they’re trying to accomplish by filing the suit now. Isn’t most of the proof required to win the suit already part of the Mueller investigation? What is the effect of tossing another set of cooks into that already-muddled broth?

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:05:16am

I’m actually kind of surprised at how much blow is still out there, even among the granola-ish crowd I sometimes hang with. I was out seeing a local band recently and everybody was running to the bathroom every few minutes, just like the hair farmers did in the 80s.

Everybody’s gotta make their own mistakes, I guess.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:05:57am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

This sounds silly but do you got any good tips on Slovak cultural norms? I know you’re in the Czech Republic but I want to be a good guest in my ancestral homeland this summer lol.

Just be polite, I’d say. Cultural norms aren’t too different between Czech Republic and Slovakia - other than Slovaks tend to be more religious in general (though not like the Poles) being polite is always good. Giving up your seat on a tram for an elderly or disabled person, etc. Making eye contact when you say ‘Na zdraví’ (cheers) in a bar. That sort of thing.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:06:37am

Blow’s never appealed to me. Dunno. Pot I like because it relaxes me and allows me to take everything in. I took in a few moments of complete silence when I went on a walk the other day down by the Potomac and it was pretty neat. I heard nature and even the distant sound of the railroad.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:06:48am

re: #249 makeitstop

Is that DNC lawsuit less of a big deal than I think it is?

I’m a little stunned at the lack of reaction. I thought it was pretty big news.

Can you spell numb. I think you can….since I just did.

I know it is dangerous to become numbed by all this, but the last month has been a head spinner.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:07:17am

re: #277 CleverToad

Not yawning, but not sure what they’re trying to accomplish by filing the suit now. Isn’t most of the proof required to win the suit already part of the Mueller investigation? What is the effect of tossing another set of cooks into that already-muddled broth?

It could be timing. Filing the suit now means it would go to court in the run-up to the mid-terms.

Having news reports about the Trump-Russia conspiracy trial on the news every day would be no small thing.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:07:41am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

Just be polite, I’d say. Cultural norms aren’t too different between Czech Republic and Slovakia - other than Slovaks tend to be more religious in general (though not like the Poles) being polite is always good. Giving up your seat on a tram for an elderly or disabled person, etc. Making eye contact when you say ‘Na zdraví’ (cheers) in a bar. That sort of thing.

Gotcha. Yeah I’m going to Poland as well. Just common courtesy. I’m really excited about meeting my cousins. And man the Carpathians look beautiful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:08:00am

re: #273 makeitstop

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:08:06am

re: #278 makeitstop

Just imagining some anti globalist guy selectively ignoring where his coke money goes and what happens on the far end.

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freetoken  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:09:11am

re: #282 makeitstop

I don’t know about this suit. Sure, there is a case to be had that various agents conspired to steal emails then release them.

But I think the political payoff has to be in the criminal investigation.

Opening a partisan lawsuit now will have unintended consequences, I fear.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:09:19am

Heroin is the one drug that scares the hell out of me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:09:26am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Actually my brother already did that lol. His wife is 1/4 Croatian. But my brother is also 1/4 Slovene so my niece is thus the Queen of the Catholic Balkans. Her grandmother’s parents being from the former Yugoslavia actually allowed me to explain how Hispanics can be any race to my grandmother. Just told her that instead of going to the US or Canada like many of ours did, they went to Peru.

sounds like our family, my paternal grandmother was Sudetenland German, my maternal great grand-mother was Hungarian

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:09:41am

re: #284 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:10:37am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

sounds like our family, my paternal grandmother was Sudetenland German, my maternal great grand-mother was Hungarian

Yeah my mom’s parents were Slovak and Slovene. Dad’s German-Irish. Brother’s wife is from Peru but with some Croatian ancestry. She’s also got indigenous Peruvian and Spanish ancestry as well, her sister located a small town in Spain that bears their surname.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:10:42am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Heroin is the one drug that scares the hell out of me.

Just don’t use any until you’re terminally ill.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:11:31am

re: #252 electrotek

Update from the bouncer beating his girlfriend in Dallas’ Deep Ellum district the other night:

The girlfriend of the bouncer bailed him out of jail!

Just one question: why?!?!

One of life’s human relationship mysteries.

I don’t think it has ever been made clear why people go back to abuse or excuse the abuse.

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Teukka  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:11:49am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Heroin is the one drug that scares the hell out of me.

Krokodil is the one that makes my stomach turn.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:12:05am

I really don’t mind needles so it’s not that about heroin that scares me. I have a few tattoos already but something instantly addictive, yeah. Plus, with my vices I don’t need it all the time. I don’t smoke or drink the days I work. Wanted to be focused. With more addictive drugs like heroin or coke, you can’t do that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:12:29am

re: #293 Teukka

Krokodil is the one that makes my stomach turn.

Not familiar with that one. I have some very personal reasons for staying away from heroin in addition.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:14:36am

re: #284 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:15:58am

re: #289 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:16:08am

re: #278 makeitstop

I’m actually kind of surprised at how much blow is still out there, even among the granola-ish crowd I sometimes hang with. I was out seeing a local band recently and everybody was running to the bathroom every few minutes, just like the hair farmers did in the 80s.

Everybody’s gotta make their own mistakes, I guess.

I went to college with a bunch of rich kids. I was a social affiliate (didn’t want to join) of a couple fraternities. At the parties I’d suddenly find myself alone by the keg. Then 15 minutes later I’d be surrounded by gibbering assholes with the sniffles.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:16:22am

re: #178 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is this real or photoshop?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:16:42am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I really don’t mind needles so it’s not that about heroin that scares me. I have a few tattoos already but something instantly addictive, yeah. Plus, with my vices I don’t need it all the time. I don’t smoke or drink the days I work. Wanted to be focused. With more addictive drugs like heroin or coke, you can’t do that.

I remember how much I enjoyed the buzz off of prescription codeine, I can imagine how easily I could fall into more powerful opiates.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:16:45am

re: #255 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I debunked that in a school science fair project in the 70s. The pyramid also does not preserve a banana.

You torpedoed your own experiment because you didn’t buy into the mystic realities and have The Belief. So it didn’t work for you, but that didn’t debunk anything for the person growing with The Belief.

You had a faulty scientific process there. I’m surprised you didn’t get a failing grade.

If you don’t believe it will never work.

See also: Placebo Effect.

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Teukka  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:17:08am

re: #301 ObserverArt

You torpedoed your own experiment because you didn’t buy into the mystic realities and have The Belief. So it didn’t work for you, but that didn’t debunk anything for the person growing with The Belief.

You had a faulty scientific process there. I’m surprised you didn’t get a failing grade.

If you don’t believe it will never work.

See also: Placebo Effect.

For bonus points, see Nocebo Effect.

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electrotek  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:17:08am

re: #252 electrotek

Update from the bouncer beating his girlfriend in Dallas’ Deep Ellum district the other night:

The girlfriend of the bouncer bailed him out of jail!

Just one question: why?!?!

Correction: he is still in jail.

I should have known better than to rely on gossip from friends. My apologies for spreading fake news here.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:17:39am

re: #292 ObserverArt

One of life’s human relationship mysteries.

I don’t think it has ever been made clear why people go back to abuse or excuse the abuse.

I bet his “one phone call” was to her, where he was really sorry and promised he wouldn’t do it again.

Never mind, due to 303.

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plansbandc  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:18:02am

Something to amuse you on 4/20…

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:18:07am

re: #298 Barefoot Grin

I went to college with a bunch of rich kids. I was a social affiliate (didn’t want to join) of a couple fraternities. At the parties I’d suddenly find myself alone by the keg. Then 15 minutes later I’d be surrounded by gibbering assholes with the sniffles.

Oh, I’ve been there for sure. I usually ended up just saying good night and leaving them to their gabbling.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:20:24am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

For sure. I stay away from coke but I don’t mind smoking weed. In fact, I like weed more than I do alcohol now.

You need to have a consultation with Jeff Sessions. He can help you get off the slippery slope you have just admitted you are on.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:20:42am

re: #305 plansbandc

Something to amuse you on 4/20…

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Ha, did ya see that they referenced Fargo with Mnuchin?

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:21:09am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Heroin is the one drug that scares the hell out of me.

People buying heroin are frequently getting heroin laced with more powerful opioids,
and overdosing.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:23:41am

Mafia Unitas hahaha. That guy doesn’t even look real.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:23:48am

re: #309 BlueSpotinAL

People buying heroin are frequently getting heroin laced with more powerful opioids,
and overdosing.

Yeah, it’s bad out here on the island. Kids ODing all over the place.

The bass player in my band has a 25 year old son who plays guitar. His bass player’s brother died from an overdose a couple of months ago. Unbearably sad.

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:24:07am

Part of the DNC lawsuit:

The lawsuit argues that Russia is not entitled to sovereign immunity in this case because “the DNC claims arise out of Russia’s trespass on to the DNC’s private servers…in order to steal trade secrets and commit economic espionage.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:24:19am

re: #309 BlueSpotinAL

People buying heroin are frequently getting heroin laced with more powerful opioids,
and overdosing.

Which is bizarre. Killing your customers is very bad for business.

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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:24:49am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Heroin is the one drug that scares the hell out of me.

When I was stationed in Germany in another lifetime, the Taliban was financing it’s fight against the Soviets with the sale of hash through Germany so far so good (and I do mean good, ya know :) Then came a batch laced with opium. Got you as high as a 747 and you just didn’t care. After that I said Nope and stopped even doing the plain hash out of concern that it would be more of that. Made me much more cautious with pain pills too.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:25:35am

re: #311 makeitstop

Yeah, it’s bad out here on the island. Kids ODing all over the place.

The bass player in my band has a 25 year old son who plays guitar. His bass player’s brother died from an overdose a couple of months ago. Unbearably sad.

It’s bad up here in NH, too.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:26:06am

re: #278 makeitstop

I’m actually kind of surprised at how much blow is still out there, even among the granola-ish crowd I sometimes hang with. I was out seeing a local band recently and everybody was running to the bathroom every few minutes, just like the hair farmers did in the 80s.

Everybody’s gotta make their own mistakes, I guess.

Coke is fun the first few times you do it. It can stay that way if you “bump” into it on rare occasions.

The moment you do it consecutively it just loses than first time feeling and you never get it again. But then you want that feeling and you try and try and do more and more and then you are in real trouble.

It is a nasty drug for those caught up in it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:26:16am

re: #314 William Lewis

When I was stationed in Germany in another lifetime, the Taliban was financing it’s fight against the Soviets with the sale of hash through Germany so far so good (and I do mean good, ya know :) Then came a batch laced with opium. Got you as high as a 747 and you just didn’t care. After that I said Nope and stopped even doing the plain hash out of concern that it would be more of that. Made me much more cautious with pain pills too.

It just sounds so scary. I have some personal reasons too. I’ve known people that have suffered from heroin addiction. Maybe a little hypocritical since I’ve known alcoholics too and I still drink but I believe one can easily socially drink while one can’t socially use heroin.

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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:26:24am

re: #296 makeitstop

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:26:42am

re: #311 makeitstop

Yeah, it’s bad out here on the island. Kids ODing all over the place.

The bass player in my band has a 25 year old son who plays guitar. His bass player’s brother died from an overdose a couple of months ago. Unbearably sad.

The adulteration is very region-specific. Alabama has not seen very many fentanyl or fentanyl/heroin doses - yet.

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electrotek  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:26:49am

re: #314 William Lewis

When I was stationed in Germany in another lifetime, the Taliban was financing it’s fight against the Soviets with the sale of hash through Germany so far so good (and I do mean good, ya know :) Then came a batch laced with opium. Got you as high as a 747 and you just didn’t care. After that I said Nope and stopped even doing the plain hash out of concern that it would be more of that. Made me much more cautious with pain pills too.

One minor correction: Taliban didn’t exist until 1994.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:28:26am

re: #320 electrotek

One minor correction: Taliban didn’t exist until 1994.

Mujahadeen I guess he’d mean right or were they the foreign volunteers who used Afghanistan similar to how Spain was used by anti fascists in the 30’s?

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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:29:40am

re: #320 electrotek

One minor correction: Taliban didn’t exist until 1994.

True. But the mujaheddin did lead straight to the talibs (students IIRC) which became the name used when they took power.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:31:17am

re: #320 electrotek

One minor correction: Taliban didn’t exist until 1994.

Muhajedin

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electrotek  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:32:34am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Mujahadeen I guess he’d mean right or were they the foreign volunteers who used Afghanistan similar to how Spain was used by anti fascists in the 30’s?

But not every Afghan mujahideen fighter became part of the Taliban i.e. Ahmed Shah Masoud, Abdul Ali Mazari, etc.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:35:48am
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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:36:09am

re: #319 BlueSpotinAL

The adulteration is very region-specific. Alabama has not seen very many fentanyl or fentanyl/heroin doses - yet.

They busted a guy in uptown Manhattan that was selling from his apartment and running fentanyl out here. They stopped him with 70 pounds of fentanyl in his trunk.

That number made my head spin. And you can bet he’d have sold every ounce of it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:37:00am

Ran across “Buffalo Soldiers”, a film about about fucking crazy drugged up American soldiers during operation Reforger in 1989 (not long after I first came to Germany)

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:37:03am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Muhajedin

Yeah, Rohrabacher’s big buddies.

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ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:39:31am

re: #314 William Lewis

When I was stationed in Germany in another lifetime, the Taliban was financing it’s fight against the Soviets with the sale of hash through Germany so far so good (and I do mean good, ya know :) Then came a batch laced with opium. Got you as high as a 747 and you just didn’t care. After that I said Nope and stopped even doing the plain hash out of concern that it would be more of that. Made me much more cautious with pain pills too.

I ran into some opium laced pot a couple years out of High School, early 70s. The friend who had it didn’t know it was laced. Five of us, two couples and the guy with the herb smoked two joints and then we were trashed.

My girlfriend sort of nodded off in my arms and went limp and all of us were like whoa at that point. The other girl with one of my buddies was experienced and said she would be fine, just lay her down for a bit.

My girlfriend came around after a couple minutes and we all said what the hell happened. We stopped everything and all headed home. That drive to my girlfriend’s parents house was one of the toughest drives I ever did. I felt totally disconnected and had an almost don’t care about the traffic lights, etc. feeling.

The next day the guy that had the herb tossed it out. That stuff was nasty. And it taught me I didn’t want a damn thing to do with opium based drugs of any kind.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:39:46am

Another RWNJ kiddie-fiddler:

Okay, Aladamnbama. Evangelist Acton Bowen, 37 years old, has some child molestation charges against him currently pending. Now he’s got seven more charges.

He faces two counts of second-degree sodomy, two counts of enticing a child for immoral purposes and three counts of second-degree sexual abuse, according to jail records.

He was booked into jail on a $500,000 bond.

His wife filed for divorce. And then …

On Friday, two of the ministry’s board members stepped down, include attorney Trenton Garmon, who worked as an attorney for former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore during his failed campaign bid for U.S. senate last year.

crooksandliars.com

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:39:50am

Words have consequences.

The Okaloosa County GOP says it’s uninvited Roger Stone from its annual dinner next month after he made disparaging remarks about former first lady Barbara Bush, calling her a “nasty drunk” and other things.

“It’s tough to lose a speaker when you’re three weeks out, but this is what I felt needed to be done out of respect for Barbara Bush,” county REC Chairman Mark Franks said in a statement. “I thought he’d be entertaining but for me this went over the line.”

Stone disputed the events and said he backed out. “I cancelled my appearance as the sponsors wanted to censor my public comments, which is unacceptable,” he told the Northwest Florida Daily News.

I hope with all my heart that this son of a bitch pulls a long stretch in federal prison.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:40:21am
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darthstar  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:43:28am

Ooh…Jared’s a named defendant.

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wrenchwench  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:45:00am

re: #1 jaunte

I feel a little Little Feat in there.

re: #6 austin_blue

To a degree. Lowell used a 7/16th inch Craftsman extended socket wrench as his slide, and Ry is using a 40 ml VOC bottle.

The backbeat is is definitely Fess, though.

Ry worked with Lowell George. Or played with him. If there’s a difference. And everybody else who is anybody. Almost.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:46:05am

re: #333 darthstar

This is kinda huge.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:49:43am

re: #333 darthstar

Ooh…Jared’s a named defendant.

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Kushner
Stone
Manafort
Gates
Papadopoulos
Russian Federation
Guccfer 2.0
Assange
the Alagarovs

Lock them up.

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:49:57am

re: #335 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

This is kinda huge.

ties them all up in one package
pretty much asserts they are/were all in it together

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:50:07am

The defamation is going to be hard to prove seeing how McCabe is a public figure.

The wrongful termination, however, is a more convincing case to be made.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:51:14am

re: #338 lawhawk

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Damn! It’s Lawsuit Friday!

That’ll spoil a few rounds of golf, for sure.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:52:21am

Lawhawk - is it true that defendants won’t be able to avoid deposition in a civil suit?

I’m really hoping so.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:53:58am

re: #336 makeitstop

Kushner
Stone
Manafort
Gates
Papadopoulos
Russian Federation
Guccfer 2.0
Assange
the Alagarovs

Lock them up.

Also Junior! And ‘John Does 1 -10!’

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:54:58am

re: #331 makeitstop

Words have consequences.

I hope with all my heart that this son of a bitch pulls a long stretch in federal prison.

Has FNC said anything about Stone or are they too busy directing fauxrage at the no name professor who made remarks about Mrs. Bush while ignoring that a close friend and confidant of the President made even more nasty remarks.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:57:22am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Has FNC said anything about Stone or are they too busy directing fauxrage at the no name professor who made remarks about Mrs. Bush while ignoring that a close friend and confidant of the President made even more nasty remarks.

Ya got me, pal. I wouldn’t watch Fox if you put a gun to my head.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:57:52am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Has FNC said anything about Stone or are they too busy directing fauxrage at the no name professor who made remarks about Mrs. Bush while ignoring that a close friend and confidant of the President made even more nasty remarks.

We know which one FAUX picked!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:57:55am

re: #343 makeitstop

Ya got me, pal. I wouldn’t watch Fox if you put a gun to my head.

Yeah I was kind of being rhetorical.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:58:38am

re: #340 makeitstop

Lawhawk - is it true that defendants won’t be able to avoid deposition in a civil suit?

I’m really hoping so.

Based on the precedents from the Clinton years (President Clinton getting deposed while in office), the answer is that yeah, he’ll have to submit.

Moreover, as with the DNC lawsuit, the burden of proof is far lower in civil actions than in criminal ones. No need to prove the cases beyond a reasonable doubt.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 9:58:59am

re: #334 wrenchwench

Ry worked with Lowell George. Or played with him. If there’s a difference. And everybody else who is anybody. Almost.

I hear Lowell the most in Bonnie Raitt’s slide playing. She’s got that whole greazy Stratocaster slide tone of his down pat.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:03:07am

re: #224 wheat-dogg

And focusing on “comfort foods,” McD’s and KFC, not to mention two scoops of ice cream.
I suspect he wants that WH doctor at the VA so he can avoid the doc’s admonitions to eat sensibly.

whatever happened to the doc? was he confirmed? did he need confirmation? i barely remember what it was it was so many eyerolls ago.

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darthstar  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:05:07am
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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:05:22am

It’s just raining court filings/motions/procedures/rulings today… and now expectation of future indictments.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:06:19am

re: #348 MsJ

whatever happened to the doc? was he confirmed? did he need confirmation? i barely remember what it was it was so many eyerolls ago.

Yeah he would need confirmation since VA is a cabinet post.
en.wikipedia.org

This guy is acting VA Sec.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:06:22am

That DNC suit goes at them a whole bunch of different ways.

Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
RICO (about time!)
RICO Conspiracy
Wiretap Act
DMCA
Misappropriation of Trade Secrets under the Defend Trade Secrets Act
Washington DC Trade Secrets Act
Trespass
Conspiracy to Commit Trespass to Chattels
Virginia Computer Crimes Act

That’s pretty damn exhaustive.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:07:13am

re: #352 makeitstop

That DNC suit goes at them a whole bunch of different ways.

Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
RICO (about time!)
RICO Conspiracy
Wiretap Act
DMCA
Misappropriation of Trade Secrets under the Defend Trade Secrets Act
Washington DC Trade Secrets Act
Trespass
Conspiracy to Commit Trespass to Chattels
Virginia Computer Crimes Act

That’s pretty damn exhaustive.

RICO is what brought down the Five Families as you probably know.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:07:14am

re: #252 electrotek

Update from the bouncer beating his girlfriend in Dallas’ Deep Ellum district the other night:

The girlfriend of the bouncer bailed him out of jail!

Just one question: why?!?!

why did she jump thru the window of his car after he beat her on the street?

she is why police are in so much danger when they go to domestic disputes.

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Skip Intro  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:07:19am
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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:08:45am

re: #257 makeitstop

It seems to be getting pretty widely reported. I was surprised that it was kinda greeted with a yawn here.

many of us are overwhelmed with info. nothing short of a trump arrest will make much difference to me.

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:08:49am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

RICO is what brought down the Five Families as you probably know.

Yep. I wouldn’t be surprised if that charge shows up a little further down the road. It’s Mueller’s M.O.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:10:24am

re: #357 makeitstop

Yep. I wouldn’t be surprised if that charge shows up a little further down the road. It’s Mueller’s M.O.

It’s actually pretty fitting that I recently completed Selwyn Raab’s excellent history of the Five Families.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:14:30am

re: #326 makeitstop

They busted a guy in uptown Manhattan that was selling from his apartment and running fentanyl out here. They stopped him with 70 pounds of fentanyl in his trunk.

That number made my head spin. And you can bet he’d have sold every ounce of it.

Bejeezus, 70 lbs? That’s enough to practically kill everyone on the damn island. If not the entire city.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:14:54am

More details about the DNC lawsuit:

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:16:19am

re: #360 lawhawk

More details about the DNC lawsuit:

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Damn paywall!

I wish I could figure out how to get that free subscription through Amazon Prime. I tried getting it a couple of times but could never log in.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:17:00am

re: #338 lawhawk

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The defamation is going to be hard to prove seeing how McCabe is a public figure.

The wrongful termination, however, is a more convincing case to be made.

not so sure if, as i have read, he leaked the reopening of the clinton email non scandal.

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electrotek  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:17:01am

re: #361 makeitstop

Damn paywall!

I wish I could figure out how to get that free subscription through Amazon Prime. I tried getting it a couple of times but could never log in.

Clear your cookies and try again.

Works every time for me.

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lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:17:50am

re: #360 lawhawk

Read through the threaded tweets - Rid pulls out some juicy details, including when the hacks began, secondary hacks, and other interesting tidbits.

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:17:58am

re: #360 lawhawk

More details about the DNC lawsuit:

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this obviously didnt happen last night
they’ve been planning this for weeks/months

meanwhile, the r’s focus on: release the memos!

compare and contrast…

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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:19:36am

re: #361 makeitstop

Damn paywall!

I wish I could figure out how to get that free subscription through Amazon Prime. I tried getting it a couple of times but could never log in.

a always go to wapo in an incognito chrome window
it doesnt do that monthly free count thing and i have never been stopped

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Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:21:42am

re: #365 dangerman

this obviously didnt happen last night
they’ve been planning this for weeks/months

meanwhile, the r’s focus on: release the memos!

compare and contrast…

Fronts in a war. Takes us a while to get any traction, I’ll give you that one, but the DNC suit is a lot more potent than Nunes’ flailing.

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Kragar  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:24:13am
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Dr. Matt  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:25:25am

Did Democrats actually grow a pair of balls today?

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:27:30am
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dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:28:08am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

Did Democrats actually grow a pair of balls today?

they just dropped their pants and showed em off

that they managed to keep this quiet through all the prep and planning…

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makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:28:45am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

Did Democrats actually grow a pair of balls today?

Like dangerman said, I think they’ve been putting this together for months.

That filing is crazy deep.

I’m wondering who those 10 ‘John Does’ are, and if they’ll be named later.

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Varek Raith  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:30:15am

I’ve read the Comey memos this morning.
How did Trump/GOP think this would help them?
Did they even read them?
Me thinks not.
Morans.

374
Dr. Matt  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:30:18am

re: #371 dangerman

they just dropped their pants and showed em off

that they managed to keep this quiet through all the prep and planning…

Actually it’s quite impressive that they did keep this quiet. The RNC and GOP would have coordinated with Fox Pravda to coordinate their talking points.

375
darthstar  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:31:00am

re: #332 darthstar

And here’s the scoop.

376
Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:32:01am

Interesting thing about that lawsuit:

The lawsuit echoes a similar legal tactic that the Democratic Party used during the Watergate scandal. In 1972, the DNC filed suit against then-President Richard Nixon’s reelection committee seeking $1 million in damages for the break-in at Democratic headquarters in the Watergate building.

The suit was denounced at the time by Nixon’s attorney general, John Mitchell, who called it a case of “sheer demagoguery” by the DNC. But the civil action brought by the DNC’s then-chairman, Lawrence F. O’Brien, was ultimately successful, yielding a $750,000 settlement from the Nixon campaign that was reached on the day in 1974 that Nixon left office.

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MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:34:34am

re: #373 Varek Raith

I’ve read the Comey memos this morning.
How did Trump/GOP think this would help them?
Did they even read them?
Me thinks not.
Morans.

from that Rubin article:

Then came the dopiest idea of all — threaten to subpoena the James B. Comey memos and then charge Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein with contempt when he refuses. Did it dawn on them that he would hand them over and that they would match almost identically with everything Comey has said or written? Apparently not. This crowd has blown itself up more times than Wile E. Coyote.

EL OH EL

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William Lewis  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:34:48am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

Did Democrats actually grow a pair of balls today?

The thing to remember about the Dems is “Don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.”

379
electrotek  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:35:08am

Shit, Avicii just died today, at 28.

RIP

380
Varek Raith  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:35:28am

re: #377 MsJ

Hehehaha.

381
Dr. Matt  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:37:07am

THIS asshole again…

Roy Moore whines that WaPo won Pulitzer for exposing his alleged molestation — and then begs for money

Disgraced former Alabama Senate candidate Pedophile Roy Moore sent out a fundraising appeal to his followers on Friday that bemoaned the fact that the Washington Post this week won a Pulitzer Prize for its reporting that exposed multiple allegations of him sexually molesting teenage girls.

“Instead of being held accountable in the court of law, the Washington Post just won the Pulitzer Prize for their slander and lies against me and my family,” wrote Moore, in a fundraising appeal posted on Twitter by Politico reporter Daniel Strauss. “Meanwhile, I’m being sued for standing up for myself and my family from ruthless lies and attacks… This is an OUTRAGE!”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:38:08am

re: #379 electrotek

Shit, Avicii just died today, at 28.

RIP

It’s not that easy to drink yourself to death by 28. Usually it takes 20-30 more years than that.

383
Kragar  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:40:15am
384
goddamnedfrank  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:40:46am
385
makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:40:59am

If any of you read TPM and can put up with their awful commenting system, a commenter named Khyber900 has put up an epic analysis of the Comey memos.

It’s too long to copy over (and I wouldn’t do it without asking and I’m not a member there), but damn. It’s really good.

386
HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:41:35am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

THIS asshole again…

Roy Moore whines that WaPo won Pulitzer for exposing his alleged molestation — and then begs for money

Waaaah I’m Roy Moore and I don’t like the truth being told about me. PS: Give me money.

387
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:41:40am

re: #370 MsJ

Opinion: Comey memos reveal (surprise!) Republicans have blundered again, @JRubinBlogger writes

here’s your takeaway:

This crowd has blown itself up more times than Wile E. Coyote.

388
Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:42:27am

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

Let’s agree to meet half way, and say no. (Some variant of that line from Deadpool is going to get a lot of use from now on.)

389
Varek Raith  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:42:31am

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Fucking seriously.

390
ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:42:36am

re: #338 lawhawk

The Hill ✔
@thehill
JUST IN: McCabe to sue Trump admin for defamation and wrongful termination hill.cm

12:43 PM - Apr 20, 2018

The defamation is going to be hard to prove seeing how McCabe is a public figure.

The wrongful termination, however, is a more convincing case to be made.

I sort of figured there would be some counter action coming from McCabe’s law team.

I wonder if they too are working (under the table) with Stormy’s lawyer, the New York prosecutors and Mueller and all can share together what they find.

Trump is going to now find himself under attack from multiple directions and the squeeze is going to be tightening.

I bet his tweets are going to just get crazier and crazier. Hopefully he blows up and does something blatantly corrupt to make everyone realize he has to go. Now.

391
lawhawk  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:42:55am

Song choice of the afternoon….

Metallica - For Whom the Bell Tolls-S&M HD

Because For Whom the Bell Tolls isn’t enough… we need it with a full orchestra because it’s not even 2PM EDT and we’re already deep into Friday Night News Dump territory with all the news this morning.

392
HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:43:23am

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Suffered in her own way? Yeah by everyone knowing she’s a racist. She’s not the victim here. She wasn’t arrested simply for being black in a Starbucks. She let her prejudices get two innocent guys get arrested simply due to their skin color.

393
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:43:26am

re: #373 Varek Raith

I’ve read the Comey memos this morning.
How did Trump/GOP think this would help them?
Did they even read them?
Me thinks not.
Morans.

they probably didnt read them

though there is an outside chance that a dem actually leaked them (knowing what was in them) to forestall the r’s from “selectively” leaking them

394
Belafon  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:44:02am

re: #385 makeitstop

If any of you read TPM and can put up with their awful commenting system, a commenter named Khyber900 has put up an epic analysis of the Comey memos.

It’s too long to copy over (and I wouldn’t do it without asking and I’m not a member there), but damn. It’s really good.

Keep watching. Marshall is good about moving those kinds of things up to pages.

395
MsJ  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:44:20am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

THIS asshole again…

Roy Moore whines that WaPo won Pulitzer for exposing his alleged molestation — and then begs for money

Roy Moore’s donor list is probably a Who’s Who of pedophiles in Alabama.

396
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:49:45am

re: #227 wheat-dogg

I read that Trump does not believe in exercise, that it’s unnecessary or something. Along his notable temper, he could easily have a medical emergency at any time.

Doesn’t tR*mp believe that exercise depletes your lifetime allotment of energy? His understanding of, well, pretty much everything, is very 17th century. I mustn’t deplete my humours or I shall run out of energy when I need it thusly. Or, something like that.

397
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:50:30am

re: #375 darthstar

And here’s the scoop.

[Embedded content]

in one week, the number of guests with whom hannity has an indisputable conflict of interest just doubled

(yes i understand statistics)

398
ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:52:53am

re: #377 MsJ

from that Rubin article:

EL OH EL

I compared them to ol’ Wile E. yesterday hoping that the Comey notes release would leave them with broken limbs and black powder burns.

I think Ohio’s Jim Jordan makes a fine Wile E. He’s ACME all the way.

399
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:53:06am

re: #376 Belafon

Interesting thing about that lawsuit:

Nixon’s attorney general, John Mitchell, who called it a case of “sheer demagoguery” by the DNC. ….

“law and order” John Mitchell?
the one who went to jail?
that john mitchell?

yes. that john mitchell

400
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:55:46am

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

Why the fuck is it on the victims of racism to heal their racist abusers

you know, starbux was handling this pretty well until just now

401
makeitstop  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:56:02am

This is the DNC’s representation: Cohen Milstein.

Those guys are hitters. DNC is not playing. At all.

402
HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:58:07am

re: #400 dangerman

you know, starbux was handling this pretty well until just now

Yeah Schultz just loses me when he says she’s suffered in her own way. I mean, I’m sure she’s gotten harassment but I’m sorry but she wasn’t arrested/humiliated for doing nothing. People have been critical of her for her own actions. That doesn’t mean I don’t think she’s incapable of learning from what happened but she’s not a victim either.

403
ObserverArt  Apr 20, 2018 • 10:59:35am

re: #384 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

This is called tone deafness.

Starbucks have just shown everyone where the real problem may be. For sure it hints that his big closed-shop sensitivity meeting may just be window dressing.

404
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:00:48am

re: #400 dangerman

you know, starbux was handling this pretty well until just now

It’s a liberal thing. They want people who have a conflict to reach an understanding.

405
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:03:11am

re: #385 makeitstop

If any of you read TPM and can put up with their awful commenting system, a commenter named Khyber900 has put up an epic analysis of the Comey memos.

It’s too long to copy over (and I wouldn’t do it without asking and I’m not a member there), but damn. It’s really good.

watergate 1.0 - (almost) no one imagined there were tapes, or that they’d get out

watergate 2.99 - trump didn’t imagine a guy would, more or less accurately remember and write it all down after each meeting. (the word, mr trump is contemporaneously)

remember when comey said “Lordy, this time there will be a tape”?

he was smiling to himself that day

406
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:04:27am

re: #370 MsJ

you read faster than i do

407
sagehen  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:09:26am

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so he is going to confiscate property from 5 million refugees? (not counting the 6 million displaced within the country)

Anybody who chooses to prove they own property in Aleppo… might just as well paint a bullseye on every shirt and jacket they own. Front and back.

408
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:14:10am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

Yeah Schultz just loses me when he says she’s suffered in her own way. I mean, I’m sure she’s gotten harassment but I’m sorry but she wasn’t arrested/humiliated for doing nothing. People have been critical of her for her own actions. That doesn’t mean I don’t think she’s incapable of learning from what happened but she’s not a victim either.

exactly
people are critical of her for what she did, not because of who she is
if she has trouble getting work, again its because of her workplace behavior, not because of who she is.
she can get healed on her own
it’s most definitely not the two guy’s job to rise above this

its almost like someone writing a piece today - “the r’s just effed up with comey’s memos. wont you feel their pain and apologize to them”?

409
HappyWarrior  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:15:58am

re: #408 dangerman

exactly
people are critical of her for what she did, not because of who she is
if she has trouble getting work, again its because of her workplace behavior, not because of who she is.
she can get healed on her own
it’s most definitely not the two guy’s job to rise above this

its almost like someone writing a piece today - “the r’s just effed up with comey’s memos. wont you feel their pain and apologize to them”?

Meanwhile we got Smug Douche Shapiro trying to justify it. Just had a good convo with my brother about this incident. Starbucks encourages people to hang out there with its free WiFI and those two guys were only there two minutes before she called the cops. She’s not a victim. I don’t wish violence or anything like that on her but yeah she should lose her job and she’s not a victim.

410
sagehen  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:18:41am

re: #249 makeitstop

Is that DNC lawsuit less of a big deal than I think it is?

I’m a little stunned at the lack of reaction. I thought it was pretty big news.

It means that once Mueller has done all the research and compiled all the evidence… DNC can show it to the jury and ask for punitive damages.

411
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:19:32am

re: #404 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a liberal thing. They want people who have a conflict to reach an understanding.

sure
here’s an understanding:
-you work(ed) in a starbucks.
-apparently you called 911 (911!!!) within 2 minutes of my entering the store
-after the police arrived, you could have stopped this at any time
-you let them arrest me

come to terms with that first - admit it unconditionally, without excuses or reservations

then maybe i might feel like talking (even then, probably not)

412
dangerman  Apr 20, 2018 • 11:22:35am

hello hello hello ?

sure is quiet here

oh, i see, everyone else left 31 comments ago

sigh

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CleverToad  Apr 20, 2018 • 12:14:59pm

re: #349 darthstar

[Embedded content]

*late to the party, but snickering madly*
I called my college-student kid over to read this thread.
He needs to have a solid grasp of US history, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 20, 2018 • 1:51:53pm

re: #299 Ace-o-aces

Is this real or photoshop?

real
espn.com


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