Yet Another Exceptional NPR Tiny Desk Concert: Jorge Drexler

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April 13, 2018 | Felix Contreras — Jorge Drexler is a poet with a gift for song. The Uruguayan singer-songwriter, like the iconic Latin American lyricists of the past (Mercedes Sosa, Victor Jara and Silvio Rodriguez, to name just a few), has that rare ability to surround multi-layered prose with music that lends an even deeper resonance to the words.

Drexler has his share of fans here in the U.S., mostly Latin American expats and others whose grasp of the language allows them to appreciate the nuances of his storytelling. But, as if often the case with music performed in languages other than English, audiences here sometimes miss out on an emotional connection with artists they would otherwise celebrate if they only knew what they were singing.

So, we decided to do something about that with Jorge Drexler’s appearance at the Tiny Desk. With the cooperation of the artist, we translated Drexler’s thoughtful and playful ruminations on the human condition, and included them as subtitles.

Those clever lyrics wouldn’t hit as hard if not for Drexler’s backing band of magicians. The mix of guitarists and percussionists conjured a stunning cloud of sound that allowed Drexler to take flight, like the existential dreamer that he is.

SET LIST
“Movimiento”
“Silencio”
“Asilo”
“Telefonia”

MUSICIANS
Jorge Drexler - Vocals and Guitar
Javier Zarember - Guitar and backing vocals
Martín Leiton - Leona, guitarrón, bass and backing vocals
Carles “Campi” Campon - Electronic beats, acoustic guitar, percussion and backing vocals
Borja Barrueta - Drums, percussion and Backing Vocals
Martin Cella- Guitar, backing vocals, percussion

CREDITS
Producers: Felix Contreras, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Maia Stern, Beck Harlan, Dani Lyman; Production Assistants: Joshua Bote, Stefanie Fernández; Photo: Eslah Attar/NPR.

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De Kolta Chair  Apr 21, 2018 • 9:06:14pm

Update from the previous thang

Ciao for now, fellow traitors

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2018 • 9:44:17pm

Dude. Holy shit.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2018 • 9:54:25pm
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electrotek  Apr 21, 2018 • 9:56:10pm
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electrotek  Apr 21, 2018 • 9:57:02pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

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And Japan and Russia did not go into war until 2-3 years after she was born.

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electrotek  Apr 21, 2018 • 9:59:54pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:06:54pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

So now there is no one left alive who was born in the 1800s.

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MsJ  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:08:21pm

Who is surprised? Anyone?

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:09:48pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

That actually happened last year.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:12:08pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:14:35pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Disturbing…yet funny.

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electrotek  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:18:04pm

Jesus, gay Robert Spencer fans are a whole another level of stupid:

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electrotek  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:20:20pm

Oh FFS:

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:24:38pm

Classy people, through and through.

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electrotek  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:25:07pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

Classy people, through and through.

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Consequences, what’s that?

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retired cynic  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:25:44pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

Classy people, through and through.

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You mean there is a line they won’t cross? I am amaze.

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electrotek  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:29:28pm
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Single-handed sailor  Apr 21, 2018 • 10:38:05pm
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electrotek  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:25:28pm

Oh man

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freetoken  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:28:30pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

Sad, but thanks for bringing this up.

The past slips away, often silently.

This, btw, is why professional genealogists always encourage people to interview the oldest relative. They will have information, usual not written down, about the family that, once they are gone, is totally gone.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:33:02pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

Classy people, through and through.

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“She was a mean-spirited, vindictive drunk. She is ascending into hell right now. She’s not going to heaven. She was a bad person.”

Ascending into hell?

Where does Roger get that? Maybe he read it in Two Corinthians.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:41:23pm

re: #20 freetoken

Yes, so true. My parents are dead and what’s left of my aunts and uncles are in Canada. My mother’s side of the family was huge and there is lots of history there but my dad’s side of the family is mysterious. His father died when he was 12, My grandmother was from England. I can’t find anything in Canadian records. I was just searching them tonight and found records that show my mother’s parents got married a week after my aunt was born. It was 1915, WWI might have played a part.

…and here I always thought my dad’s side of the family were the bohemians.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:44:54pm

re: #20 freetoken

Sad, but thanks for bringing this up.

The past slips away, often silently.

This, btw, is why professional genealogists always encourage people to interview the oldest relative. They will have information, usual not written down, about the family that, once they are gone, is totally gone.

One of my best college experiences was an oral history project for which we interviewed people who were around a hundred years old at the time (mid 1970s). One gentleman told us about the first time he had seen electric lights, at a county fair in 1882. “You can’t imagine what they look like to someone who has never seen them before.” A lady told us about her first experience with a telephone. This was in 1886, when she was 10 years old. She was with her family at a hotel. Her father had called the family lawyer to arrange an appointment, then allowed her to speak briefly to him. She hung up and asked, “Papa, is that man really a mile away?”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:48:19pm

Speaking of the past, my birthdate (June 21st, 1949) is closer to the administration of Chester A. Arthur than it is to the present day.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:50:53pm

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Speaking of the past, my birthdate (June 21st, 1949) is closer to the administration of Chester A. Arthur than it is to the present day.

And mine is halfway between that lady’s first experience with a telephone and today… .

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:51:17pm

The worst thing for genealogy searches is a common English name like Jones. Even in Canada in 1915, there were a lot of fucking Joneses.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:52:40pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:53:32pm

re: #25 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And mine is halfway between that lady’s first experience with a telephone and today… .

Eisenhower was still President when I was born and nobody had been in space yet.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:58:18pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

So now there is no one left alive who was born in the 1800s.

That we know of.

Someone born 1899 would be at least 118 now, so the chances of finding someone that age are slim, but the world is a big place.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 21, 2018 • 11:59:04pm

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Eisenhower was still President when I was born and nobody had been in space yet.

I was almost six months old when Eisenhower was inaugurated. I remember it well… .

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:00:07am

re: #30 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I was almost six months old when Eisenhower was inaugurated. I remember it well… .

I bet there were more people there than at Trump’s. Did you get a headcount?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:06:47am

re: #30 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I was almost six months old when Eisenhower was inaugurated. I remember it well… .

On of my early memories as a kid was being annoyed that I could not watch Rocky and Bullwinkle because it been cancelled due to JFK funeral coverage.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:07:12am

re: #31 wheat-dogg

I bet there were more people there than at Trump’s. Did you get a headcount?

I couldn’t count yet.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:10:37am

re: #22 Single-handed sailor

… but my dad’s side of the family is mysterious. His father died when he was 12, My grandmother was from England. I can’t find anything in Canadian records. …

Sounds like you might benefit from one of the DNA tests from companies like Ancestry. They are good for finding cousins.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:18:06am

re: #20 freetoken

Sad, but thanks for bringing this up.

The past slips away, often silently.

This, btw, is why professional genealogists always encourage people to interview the oldest relative. They will have information, usual not written down, about the family that, once they are gone, is totally gone.

I never met my maternal grandfather, my grandma was sent over from Croatia to Cleveland around 1912 to marry him, she had my mother and Aunt Helen with him and then ran off with a boarder in my house and had my Uncle Gabe. He was the fellow I knew as grandpa.
I was aware that my grandma had been divorced and that he was actually my step-grandfather but was unaware of the other circumstances until much later in life…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:20:55am

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

One of my best college experiences was an oral history project for which we interviewed people who were around a hundred years old at the time (mid 1970s). One gentleman told us about the first time he had seen electric lights, at a county fair in 1882. “You can’t imagine what they look like to someone who has never seen them before.” A lady told us about her first experience with a telephone. This was in 1886, when she was 10 years old. She was with her family at a hotel. Her father had called the family lawyer to arrange an appointment, then allowed her to speak briefly to him. She hung up and asked, “Papa, is that man really a mile away?”

my mother described going to silent films when she was young (she was born in 1918) and how for the benefit of the illiterate, the audience would read the captions out loud “OH JOHN! I LOVE YOU!!!” followed by whispers of it then being translated into a dozen various languages for the benefit of all the non-English speakers among them…

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:22:33am

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It never ceases to get me to pause, to realize how little we know of the generation before us.

For instance, I don’t know how my parents met, and I didn’t ask my mother before she passed away. I know before they met they had ended up in the same town (for different reasons), but that’s it. And now there is no one around who would know this thing, even my one remaining aunt who is a paternal aunt and was probably not privy to this information given the difference in age between her and my father.

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electrotek  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:22:44am

Instagram

Fujiya Market was a renowned Japanese market on the corner of Virgil and Clinton. The store opened in 1932 at a time when the neighborhood had a large Japanese-American population. In fact, Virgil Village was once called J-Flats. The market was known for amazing sashimi and a variety of Japanese goods. When the neighborhood became predominantly Latinx, they began carrying products like tortillas as well. Five years ago Fujiya closed its doors after 80 years in business. Where the market once stood, there’s a grocery store and carnicería called Osi Foodmart which caters to the Latinx population. (First Photo found on Yellow Pages, Second photo is from Fujiya’s Facebook page). #thissideofhoover #virgilvillage #easthollywood

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:31:59am

re: #38 electrotek

Back when Payson, Arizona had a population of only around 5,000, it was too small to support both a Chinese and a Mexican. I remember stopping at Pedro Wong’s Mexican and Chinese food. I had tacos, my buddy ordered an egg roll.

PS I just checked, Raymond “Pedro” Wong died in 2016. I am sure that Food Heaven was holding a concession open for him.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:38:51am

Feeling agitated about an article enough to perhaps write up one of my morning missives…

Before I go to the effort of dissecting a recent paper, I’ll offer up a popular article which covers it, should any of you wish to read and see what is pushing my buttons:

Scientific reasoning ability does not predict acceptance of evolution among religious individuals, study finds

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:41:43am

re: #40 freetoken

Feeling agitated about an article enough to perhaps write up one of my morning missives…

Before I go to the effort of dissecting a recent paper, I’ll offer up a popular article which covers it, should any of you wish to read and see what is pushing my buttons:

Scientific reasoning ability does not predict acceptance of evolution among religious individuals, study finds

why do smart people still believe in stupid things?

ask any fool in love

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:07:09am

Today I found out Starz cancelled Ash vs Evil Dead. Season 3 is the end. I really like this show. I’m on s3e9 at the moment. I guess there’s no reason to keep Starz on my Amazon Prime.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:20:43am

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Without getting into detail, which I may do later, but if I do so it will have to be sort of lengthy given the nature of the beast, the key problem regarding otherwise-thought-of-as-intelligent people believing in creationism is one of our old friend, cognitive dissonance.

The new paper fails in many ways, the most prominent being that their claim of “scientific reasoning” is based on a very narrow, and insufficient, understanding of what “scientific” really means.

There is also the problem of “reasoning”, given the now known inherent problems with anything resembling IQ tests, and one of the measuring tools the authors of the paper use, the “Lawson’s Classroom Test of Formal Reasoning”, comes under criticism for several reasons.

You can take a version of the test online, here: colorado.edu

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:36:09am

re: #43 freetoken

I recall meeting a mathematics doctoral candidate who tells me that he believed in Jesus because of how all of the Old Testament prophecies have been fulfilled in the New Testament.

I did not even bother to broach the possibility that the NT might have been “tweaked” to fit the OT, as that was something he obviously could not accept.

Had the OT been lost and forgotten and rediscovered only after the OT was written, then he might have had a case, but that was never the case.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:36:24am

re: #42 Single-handed sailor

Today I found out Starz cancelled Ash vs Evil Dead. Season 3 is the end. I really like this show. I’m on s3e9 at the moment. I guess there’s no reason to keep Starz on my Amazon Prime.

Oh, there is S3, I have missed this. I hope they wrap things up neatly. Between this and Westworld there’s lots of good stuff to watch.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:36:27am
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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:37:16am

re: #45 Nyet

Westworld starts tomorrow!!!11

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:37:20am

re: #33 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I couldn’t count yet.

Neither can Trump.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:40:12am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall meeting a mathematics doctoral candidate who tells me that he believed in Jesus because of how all of the Old Testament prophecies has been fulfilled in the new Testament.

I did not even bother to broach the possibility that the NT might have been “tweaked” to fit the OT, as that was something he obviously could not accept.

Had the OT been lost and forgotten and rediscovered only after the OT was written, then he might have had a case, but that was never the case.

What the NT writers did is take various bits and pieces of the prophetic books and arbitrarily assigned them to Jesus. When one reads the quotes in context they are either not prophecies at all, or they are prophecies related to very specific events that by that time had already come to pass.

Now, such “midrashic” interpretations were arguably within the Jewish tradition, and indeed some of the out-of-context verses used to support Jesus were also seen as messianic by other Jewish sects, so the NT writers weren’t unique here. But the fact remains - if you can cherrypick various unrelated verses out of their context, you can postdict anyone.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:43:16am

This whole mother storyline in JJ S2 was boring. Bad, bad meh season.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:44:50am

Punisher, on the other hand, rocked. Unexpectedly.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:45:28am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mathematicians, in my experience, are more widely distributed in various beliefs than physicists.

Then again, math is not science, something over which various philosophy students can argue, but which is fairly well established as a precept among scientists.

Indeed, it is becoming clear that one of the failings of string theorists, M-theorists, multiverse-theorists, etc., is that they’ve gone astray by thinking their math is indeed physics.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:48:32am

re: #49 Nyet

What the NT writers did is take various bits and pieces of the prophetic books and arbitrarily assigned them to Jesus. When one reads the quotes in context they are either not prophecies at all, or they are prophecies related to very specific events that by that time had already come to pass.

Now, such “midrashic” interpretations were arguably within the Jewish tradition, and indeed some of the out-of-context verses used to support Jesus were also seen as messianic by other Jewish sects, so the NT writers weren’t unique here. But the fact remains - if you can cherrypick various unrelated verses out of their context, you can postdict anyone.

I did not even argue with the fellow that one cannot take a subjective interpretation of Scriptural events and simply assign them to a mathematical formula (which was actually part of his argument), and that although he might have been a sound mathematician, he obviously failed Symbolic Logic.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:52:03am

re: #37 freetoken

It never ceases to get me to pause, to realize how little we know of the generation before us.

For instance, I don’t know how my parents met, and I didn’t ask my mother before she passed away. I know before they met they had ended up in the same town (for different reasons), but that’s it. And now there is no one around who would know this thing, even my one remaining aunt who is a paternal aunt and was probably not privy to this information given the difference in age between her and my father.

In my case, it’s how my father’s parents met. My dad told me “when I was old enough to understand” that his father married at 17 to a woman about his age, and they had a son. For reasons lost in the shrouds of time, the couple did not get along and then my gf met my gm somehow and soon my uncle and father came along. But, dad said, grandpa did not divorce his first wife and lived with my grandma in a common-law marriage. For that reason, their house was deeded to her alone. My grandparents burned all the correspondence between them, so even my dad was unsure how they met and under what circumstances they came to be a couple. I have some suspicions, but we may never know the exact details.

Whilst doing my genealogical research, I came across an adopted daughter of grandpa and his first wife in the census records. He apparently doted on her, and in his notebooks I found records of money being sent to support her and the first wife. Soon after, the great-granddaughter of that child found me online, and we discovered we had the exact same photos of her as a baby in Quebec and a teenager in New Jersey. The girl was either orphaned and adopted by a doctor then boarding with my grandfather and wife #1, or as we suspect, was born out of wedlock and taken in by the doctor (or was perhaps the doctor’s own daughter?) to be subsequently adopted by my grandparents. Her mother is unknown, but judging from the girl’s appearance in the photos, the mother could have been First Nations.

What stories these people could tell, if they were only alive to do it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:55:05am

RWNJs like to point out that it is also Lenin’s birthday, as though the communard eco-wackies who originated Earth Day selected this particular day as a kind of secret celebration. Even more ominously, it is also Mohammed’s birthday, as well as Bettie Page’s so we have communism, Islam, and wild women all covered (or un-covered in Bettie’s case). It’s a wonder some red state legislature doesn’t vote to abolish April 22nd altogether and go straight from the 21st to the 23rd.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:55:47am

re: #50 Nyet

This whole mother storyline in JJ S2 was boring. Bad, bad meh season.

I gave up after episode 8. I realized I did not give a rat’s ass what happened to Jessica’s mother or her drug-addled BFF Trish or Malcolm or the lesbian lawyer lady with ALS.

This season made Iron Fist look appealing.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:57:41am

On a happier note, this season of The Expanse is kick-ass. Even though I’ve read the books and know the plot, I’m still sitting on the edge of my seat watching it.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:57:46am

re: #56 wheat-dogg

I’m a completist, so I watched it all. But I hope they do better in S3 or stop altogether. I liked IF btw.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:58:00am

re: #57 wheat-dogg

What’s it about?

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:04:52am

re: #54 wheat-dogg

Whilst doing my genealogical research, I came across an adopted daughter of grandpa and his first wife in the census records. … The girl was either orphaned and adopted by a doctor then boarding with my grandfather and wife #1, or as we suspect, was born out of wedlock and taken in by the doctor (or was perhaps the doctor’s own daughter?) to be subsequently adopted by my grandparents. Her mother is unknown, but judging from the girl’s appearance in the photos, the mother could have been First Nations.

This is one thing the aforementioned DNA tests are very good at sussing out.

Along that line, you (and others into genealogy) may be interested in the latest season of Relative Race. The episodes are not too long, recommend starting at season 3 episode 1:

byutv.org

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:05:39am

re: #59 Nyet

What’s it about?

Space opera with political overtones. In the not-so-distant future, the solar system has been colonized, but Earth (the UN) and Mars are not getting along, and the Belters have formed a loose coalition to struggle against the inner planets exploiting them. Meanwhile, some kind of alien life form has entered the system, and is being weaponized by a rich dude and a team of mad scientists. Things go bad, and the multi-national (Earth, Mars and Belter) crew of a ship are caught up in it, and end up the protagonists of the series.

The acting is pretty solid and the sets and SFX are almost realistic. No fancy FTL drives here. Just plain old reaction drives. Give it a shot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:06:32am

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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RWNJs like to point out that it is also Lenin’s birthday, as though the communard eco-wackies who originated Earth Day selected this particular day as a kind of secret celebration. Even more ominously, it is also Mohammed’s birthday, as well as Bettie Page’s so we have communism, Islam, and wild women all covered (or un-covered in Bettie’s case). It’s a wonder some red state legislature doesn’t vote to abolish April 22nd altogether and go straight from the 21st to the 23rd.

And they like to point out that Antifas protesting Neo nazis and White Supremacists celebrating Hitler’s birthday on April 20th were being terribly intolerant of differering viewpoints…

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:07:16am

re: #60 freetoken

This is one thing the aforementioned DNA tests are very good at sussing out.

Along that line, you (and others into genealogy) may be interested in the latest season of Relative Race. The episodes are not too long, recommend starting at season 3 episode 1:

byutv.org

Not sure if her great-granddaughter went that route. Presumably it would turn up some First Nations haplotype if it were present.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:07:26am

re: #61 wheat-dogg

I liked the first season, but somehow the first couple of episodes of season 2 left me not so interested and I gave up on it.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:09:23am

re: #64 freetoken

I liked the first season, but somehow the first couple of episodes of season 2 left me not so interested and I gave up on it.

It’s off to a slow start, I know. Give it time. The first two eps are setting us up for big shit coming down the pike.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:11:08am

I may just watch season 1 of the Expanse over again. I like it that much.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:15:32am

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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RWNJs like to point out that it is also Lenin’s birthday, as though the communard eco-wackies who originated Earth Day selected this particular day as a kind of secret celebration. Even more ominously, it is also Mohammed’s birthday, as well as Bettie Page’s so we have communism, Islam, and wild women all covered (or un-covered in Bettie’s case). It’s a wonder some red state legislature doesn’t vote to abolish April 22nd altogether and go straight from the 21st to the 23rd.

I was in 8th grade for the first Earth Day. It was a big thing in the East Bay and particularly in California Schools. I did a Sacramento River Delta water quality measurement as part of the gifted student program. We went out on a boat in the delta and tested the water at various locations. That formed the basis for water quality regulations for the whole central valley water system. Delta Smelt FTW.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:43:48am

Speaking of water quality in the Sacramento San Joaquin River sytem…

E. coli levels drop at popular Sacramento beach

New tests taken at one of Sacramento’s most popular public beaches recorded the lowest levels of E. coli in the water all year.

The bacteria is typically found in fecal matter and can enter local waterways through domestic or wild animal waste, sewage overflows, illegal trash dumping and storm water systems. Most strains don’t pose a threat to humans, but high levels of E. coli found in Sacramento’s rivers and streams have concerned officials enough to warn swimmers about potential health risks.

Tiscornia Beach, near Discovery Park where the American and Sacramento rivers flow together, exceeded the Environmental Protection Agency’s recreational safety threshold in seven of 11 tests conducted by the Central Valley Regional Water Quality Board this year.

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Chad Thundercock  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:45:10am
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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:54:43am

+1 because Dave was a local boy. Personally I find jazz to be like taking the brown acid, fingernails on a chalkboard. I can’t music because I’m completely arrhythmic, so jazz just fucks with me. Oh, I can’t do the note thing either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 2:58:23am

re: #70 Single-handed sailor

+1 because Dave was a local boy. Personally I find jazz to be like taking the brown acid, fingernails on a chalkboard. I can’t music because I’m completely arrhythmic, so jazz just fucks with me. Oh, I can’t do the note thing either.

Dave B was never my taste in Jazz, I really only like the Miles Davis stable of musicians and those who followed up and descended from him (to which Charles can claim he is third generation, having played with Stanley Clarke who played with Chick Corea who played with Miles)

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 3:11:03am

re: #70 Single-handed sailor

+1 because Dave was a local boy. Personally I find jazz to be like taking the brown acid, fingernails on a chalkboard. I can’t music because I’m completely arrhythmic, so jazz just fucks with me. Oh, I can’t do the note thing either.

You’d be right at home at a Chinese KTV club.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 3:11:57am

I’m pretty sure I’ll wrap my brain around quantum entanglement before I can wrap my brain around jazz. I’m still at the point of, “What two particles?” on entanglement.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 3:13:50am

re: #73 Single-handed sailor

I’m pretty sure I’ll wrap my brain around quantum entanglement before I can wrap my brain around jazz. I’m still at the point of, “What two particles?” on entanglement.

I lived with some hard-core jazz students at Indiana University in Bloomington and one of them sat me down and pointed out that the root of all jazz is still frigging 12-bar blues and if you know how to listen, it is still in there somewhere.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 3:17:56am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I lived with some hard-core jazz students at Indiana University in Bloomington and one of them sat me down and pointed out that the root of all jazz is still frigging 12-bar blues and if you know how to listen, it is still in there somewhere.

There’s my problem, timing and notes and frequencies, music in general, are out of my grasp. I can enjoy it, but I can’t fathom how to make it. My 3rd grade trumpet teacher said I should never be allowed to handle a musical instrument. I concurred.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 3:39:11am

re: #75 Single-handed sailor

There’s my problem, timing and notes and frequencies, music in general, are out of my grasp. I can enjoy it, but I can’t fathom how to make it. My 3rd grade trumpet teacher said I should never be allowed to handle a musical instrument. I concurred.

I do not read music but I play and have an ear for basic musical theory. Just listen to any 12 bar blues standard from “You Really Shook Me” to “Crossroads” or any other blues standard and try to hear where it is hiding in a million other derivative songs.

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 3:43:49am

re: #76 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My friend, who I mentioned, could pick up an instrument and with some basic instruction on how it made sound he could make music on it and he never took music lessons. I’m unable to keep a beat for 10 seconds.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 3:53:04am

re: #73 Single-handed sailor

I’m pretty sure I’ll wrap my brain around quantum entanglement before I can wrap my brain around jazz. I’m still at the point of, “What two particles?” on entanglement.

You may find of interest, or not, this lecture from Perimeter given in 2014: Can Quantum Correlations be Explained Causally?

There is a strong correlation between the sun rising and the rooster crowing, but to say that the one causes the other is to say more. In particular, it says that making the rooster crow early will not precipitate an early dawn, whereas making the sun rise early (for instance, by moving the rooster eastward) can lead to some early crowing. Intervening upon the natural course of events in this manner is a good way of discovering causal relations. Sometimes, however, we can’t intervene, or we’d prefer not to. For instance, in trying to determine whether smoking causes lung cancer, we’d prefer not to force any would-be nonsmokers to smoke. Fortunately, there are some clever tricks that allow us to extract information about what causes what entirely from features of the observed correlations. One of these tricks was discovered by the physicist John Bell in 1964. In a groundbreaking paper, he used it to demonstrate the seeming impossibility of providing a causal explanation of certain quantum correlations. This revealed a fundamental tension between quantum theory and Einstein’s theory of relativity —the two central pillars of modern physics. It is a tension that is still with us today.

It’s not too heady… it was part of the 2014 series for the annual gathering of high-school students, from around the world, which Perimeter puts on for those who are thinking about studying physics. Not much math, but a lot of thinking.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 22, 2018 • 4:01:20am

I love jazz, personally. Here’s a great cut from one of the all-time legends of the genre, John Coltrane.

John Coltrane - Moment’s Notice

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 4:04:52am

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

I love jazz, personally. Here’s a great cut from one of the all-time legends of the genre, John Coltrane.

yes, that is right up my alley

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 4:10:23am

re: #78 freetoken

You may find of interest, or not, this lecture from Perimeter given in 2014: Can Quantum Correlations be Explained Causally?

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But can it be explained casually?

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 4:13:00am

re: #78 freetoken

I favorited that and will look when I haven’t been drinking and smoking for the past 12 hrs.

and a music video as I go to bed….

Pink Martini with Special Guest Rita Moreno: America

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 22, 2018 • 4:27:21am
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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 4:46:36am

re: #83 Single-handed sailor

I remember when Miriam Makeba had this hit.

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The Pink Martini cover is great, but the singer can’t quite get Miriam’s click — that champagne cork popping sound. It’s transliterated by “q” usually, but it’s not all like a /k/ or /kw/ sound.

More details here:
csmonitor.com

I lived in Pretoria for a year and tried to learn the clicks from native speakers. I can get the Xhosa “c” and “x” clicks, but my “q” click is about as bad as the Pink Martini singer’s. So I sympathize with her.

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steve_davis  Apr 22, 2018 • 5:07:53am

re: #19 electrotek

Oh man

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yeah, he’s definitely piqued my interest. if i were gay, i would definitely be looking for someone who looks like ferris bueller and can riff for 15 minutes on how Bernie isn’t really an asshole who helped stick us with Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 22, 2018 • 5:32:29am

More sacrifices for the Tree of Liberty:
4 killed at Waffle House in Tennessee
A bystander wrestled the shooter’s gun away but the shooter himself got away.

Authorities are asking for the public’s help in finding 29-year-old Travis Reinking of Morton, Illinois. Police said the gunman arrived in a vehicle registered to Reinking, though the gunman was last seen walking away from the scene nude.

The shooter was initially wearing nothing but a green jacket, which he shed in getting away.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 22, 2018 • 5:37:31am

Likely Facebook page for Travis Reinking. Photo matches. Most recent entry is a rant about the Illuminati.

Paint another 4 kill marks on your keyboard, Alex Jones.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 5:44:54am

re: #85 steve_davis

yeah, he’s definitely piqued my interest. if i were gay, i would definitely be looking for someone who looks like ferris bueller and can riff for 15 minutes on how Bernie isn’t really an asshole who helped stick us with Trump.

Don’t know if this is an example of active or passive ratfucking, but it was just the sort of thing that those opposed to Hillary wanted to see more of.

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2018 • 5:48:53am

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ascending into hell?

Where does Roger get that? Maybe he read it in Two Corinthians.

Because his idea of the divine is so twisted that to him heaven is hell and hell (where his true Lord Satan is) is heaven? Only thing that makes slight sense to me is that he’d believe something that silly.

I think I’ll just stick to trying to do what’s right…

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2018 • 5:55:09am

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall meeting a mathematics doctoral candidate who tells me that he believed in Jesus because of how all of the Old Testament prophecies have been fulfilled in the New Testament.

I did not even bother to broach the possibility that the NT might have been “tweaked” to fit the OT, as that was something he obviously could not accept.

Had the OT been lost and forgotten and rediscovered only after the OT was written, then he might have had a case, but that was never the case.

Nor, I would bet, did you tell him how all the traditional interpretations of the ones that others considered prophecy did not really fit Jesus ben Joseph? Or that the rest weren’t considered prophecy anymore because they’d already been fullfilled (much of the Isiah materials)? Humans do strange things to the divine that even some of us who believe can find laughable.

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2018 • 5:57:30am

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Good morning!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 22, 2018 • 5:59:08am

re: #91 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Crikey, that’s some cardinal population you have there.

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lawhawk  Apr 22, 2018 • 6:00:48am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Taking a step back from the politics for the moment, I just wanted to share that I got the opportunity to recently see Hello Dolly on Broadway with Bernadette Peters and Victor Garber in the leads, and it’s frankly one of the best shows I’ve seen in a long long time.

Everything about the show works. There was no second act letdown (many shows pack the best songs/routines in the first act, and the second act is almost an afterthought). The ensemble had awesome voices and the dancing/choreography was great. The sets were amazing and conveyed every aspect of the story very well.

Peters has an undeniable stage presence, and Garber shone as he returned to his stage roots (many recognize him for his role in Legends of Tomorrow or Alias, but he cut his chops on the stage in shows like Assassins and Sweeney Todd, etc.

The supporting roles were also very well cast and everyone looked like they had fun doing the show.

All in all, it was a totally enjoyable show; and they also just announced that Bette Midler is returning to the show until it ends at the end of the summer.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 22, 2018 • 6:02:14am

re: #93 lawhawk

CSB: Bernadette Peters is a friend of the fish family. One of my sisters-in-law is in theater and they are acquainted.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 6:31:23am

re: #91 jeffreyw

Looks like a cardinal dating scene.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 6:47:57am

re: #93 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Taking a step back from the politics for the moment, I just wanted to share that I got the opportunity to recently see Hello Dolly on Broadway with Bernadette Peters and Victor Garber in the leads, and it’s frankly one of the best shows I’ve seen in a long long time.

Everything about the show works. There was no second act letdown (many shows pack the best songs/routines in the first act, and the second act is almost an afterthought). The ensemble had awesome voices and the dancing/choreography was great. The sets were amazing and conveyed every aspect of the story very well.

Peters has an undeniable stage presence, and Garber shone as he returned to his stage roots (many recognize him for his role in Legends of Tomorrow or Alias, but he cut his chops on the stage in shows like Assassins and Sweeney Todd, etc.

The supporting roles were also very well cast and everyone looked like they had fun doing the show.

All in all, it was a totally enjoyable show; and they also just announced that Bette Midler is returning to the show until it ends at the end of the summer.

Garber has done some singing and dancing in the Legends series.

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Dizzy  Apr 22, 2018 • 6:52:32am

re: #93 lawhawk

I first saw Victor Garber in the movie Godspell:

YouTube

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2018 • 6:56:12am

re: #92 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

re: #95 freetoken

They are taking a class. It is a college, you know.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:12:15am

You all were talking about perspective given the passing of the world’s oldest woman. Couple quick thoughts. It hit me when I was taking to a younger coworker the other day whose from Ukraine that I was born into the world where there was still a USSR. I even remember the early atlases I had still having the USSR. But two other things since people like to tease me about being a kid. My Dad’s one grandfather was born before the telephone in 1874. His other was born in 1876 in Germany just five years after the formation of the modern German nation state. If you’re wondering why my great grandfather’s have such early birth years, consider my father is the youngest son of a youngest child and second youngest along with my dad being relatively old for a first time father. I’m descended from quite a few youngest children hence why my tree’s generations are a bit wacky.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:15:26am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

If you’re wondering why my great grandfather’s have such early birth years, consider my father is the youngest son of a youngest child and second youngest along with my dad being relatively old for a first time father. I’m descended from quite a few youngest children hence why my tree’s generations are a bit wacky.

Ditto here, all my grandparents are from Europe and from the 19th century, my mom was born in 1918 and dad in 1914.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:22:53am

It is awake and praising itself.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:24:43am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ditto here, all my grandparents are from Europe and from the 19th century, my mom was born in 1918 and dad in 1914.

Dad’s grandparents were born all in different places. Moms were all in Europe. But yeah my dads parents were born in 1913 and 1912. There’s a photo of my dads dad as a little kid wearing a doughboy hat with his brother. Their cousin had served in WWI.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:25:09am

re: #101 wheat-dogg

It is awake and praising itself.

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So needy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:25:48am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Dad’s grandparents were born all in different places. Moms were all in Europe. But yeah my dads parents were born in 1913 and 1912. There’s a photo of my dads dad as a little kid wearing a doughboy hat with his brother. Their cousin had served in WWI.

My (step) granddad served as a medic in the US Army and accompanied General Pershing on his expedition to Mexico.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:26:19am

re: #101 wheat-dogg

I’m not against Matalin’s wish being granted.

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BigPapa  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:27:09am

Bernouts are getting hopped up on Chozik’s book focusing on how Clinton’s campaign wanted to highlight Trump and elevate him as the GOP frontrunner. Therefore, Trump is Clinton’s fault, not Bernie! Whee!

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:28:22am

re: #106 BigPapa

Bernouts. That is a good one.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:31:21am

re: #106 BigPapa

Bernouts are getting hopped up on Chozik’s book focusing on how Clinton’s campaign wanted to highlight Trump and elevate him as the GOP frontrunner. Therefore, Trump is Clinton’s fault, not Bernie! Whee!

What I want to know is why shouldn’t they have? Everything was true she said about Trump. And GOP voters nominated him. And Bernie stayed in knowing there was no realistic path to the nomination & still complains about the DNC despite them giving his way on the platform which wasn’t a total bad thing when it came to some of the ideas. I really hope Sanders is a non factor in 2020 but I worry I’m wrong because he does have a legit following by people who unfortunately can’t see his faults as both a man and leader.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:31:53am

I know we were discussing birthdays earlier. Did we mention this one?

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:33:15am

re: #109 wheat-dogg

A very happy birthday to HM The Queen. :)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:33:40am

re: #109 wheat-dogg

I know we were discussing birthdays earlier. Did we mention this one?

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She actually looks like my youngest brother’s girlfriend a little. You know, I’ll always find the Royal Family silly and outdated but as people I like them.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:34:21am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My (step) granddad served as a medic in the US Army and accompanied General Pershing on his expedition to Mexico.

Bet he had some stories.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:34:40am

re: #91 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Running a “special” today Jeffrey. The Fly-in is packed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:36:31am

re: #109 wheat-dogg

I know we were discussing birthdays earlier. Did we mention this one?

Happy 92nd Birthday to Her Majesty The Queen!

I am convinced she is hanging on as long as possible so she can keep Charles’ reign short or even hand it directly over to her grandson…

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:38:45am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is a possibility. She has already lived longer than Victoria.
en.wikipedia.org

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:40:37am

re: #107 PhillyPretzel

Bernouts. That is a good one.

I did this little Photoshop graphic almost exactly two years ago.

Face it Bernie…after the high wears off reality kicks in.
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:41:40am

Perspective. Stalin was still in power when she was crowned.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:42:48am

re: #115 PhillyPretzel

That is a possibility. She has already lived longer than Victoria.
en.wikipedia.org

I am sure that she does not see Charles as fit or deserving of the Crown and would like to see it bypass him. Family squabbles and all.

In the end, if I were British, I would advocate privatising the monarchy: British Royal plc. Let them earn their own keep through promoting tourism, ribbon cuttings and speeches. It might help keep them in line.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:44:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:46:22am

re: #119 I Would Prefer Not To

Doonesbury does dogma

they really nailed it today

demonstrating that the evangelicals have an agenda that has little to do with Jesus or God’s Will on Earth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:48:39am

Rango, relaxing after a long day of bugging Mrs. FBW to wake up, then taking a nap, then bugging us for a walk, then going on a walk, then taking another nap, then hovering nearby as I cut up the brisket and ribs and getting some nibbles, then puppy prewashing all the plates after dinner.

He was plumb tuckered!

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:48:58am

Did any of you see this little FEC question? It’s an important nuance in how things are done.

Politics
npr.org
If A Parent’s Day Job Is Running For Congress, Can The Campaign Pay For Child Care?

“My mother is a teacher. She comes home at 3:30 every afternoon, and she would watch my children from 3:30 on, and that’s when I’d start consulting,” Grechen Shirley said.

But then last year she started thinking she might want to run for Congress, as a Democrat in New York’s Second Congressional District. That presented a problem.

“I had thought about it for much of last year, but I decided with two small children I wouldn’t be able to do that,” Grechen Shirley said. “There were so many barriers, and one of those barriers was child care.”
She eventually decided to run anyway and use campaign funds to pay for child care. Now, she’s asking the Federal Election Commission to rule whether that’s allowed.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:50:04am

re: #122 Unshaken Defiance

Did any of you see this little FEC nuance? It’s an important nuance in how things are done.

Politics
If A Parent’s Day Job Is Running For Congress, Can The Campaign Pay For Child Care?

Caught that the other day coming home from work.
TBH I’m not sure.

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mmmirele  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:50:29am

Off to Scottsdale this morning for a surprise picket at Highlands Church-Scottsdale. It appears that the lead pastor there, one Les Hughey, had sexual relations which may have been statutory rape when he was a married 23 YO youth pastor at the then-First Baptist Church of Modesto. He’s never apologized to the victims.

Story in the Modesto Bee:

modbee.com

I daresay a middle-aged woman with a sign will be disruptive enough, eh?

Oh, and how I found out about this so quickly? One of my friends in Australia posted it to his Facebook and I saw it this morning when I woke up.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:50:58am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am convinced she is hanging on as long as possible so she can keep Charles’ reign short or even hand it directly over to her grandson…

She seems to be in good health, mentally and physically, unlike some other younger world leader we know.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:52:07am

re: #123 HappyWarrior

When it comes to child care expenses, well I can’t see any very substantial issue with allowing it. Otherwise it’s just another anti female filter.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:54:04am

Well, hate to hop in then quickly hop out, but it’s time for bed here. Monday is my busiest day of the week and I need my rest.

A bientot!

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makeitstop  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:54:13am
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MsJ  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:57:20am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 22, 2018 • 7:58:39am

Friend’s cat that always ends up fighting with pineapples after a trip to the store. lol This may be meme-worthy.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:00:47am

re: #130 GlutenFreeJesus

Cats know pineapples are evil.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:03:33am

re: #131 freetoken

We should all take heed!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:03:35am

re: #126 Unshaken Defiance

When it comes to child care expenses, well I can’t see any very substantial issue with allowing it. Otherwise it’s just another anti female filter.

Yeah I don’t really either tbh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:04:27am

re: #122 Unshaken Defiance

She eventually decided to run anyway and use campaign funds to pay for child care. Now, she’s asking the Federal Election Commission to rule whether that’s allowed.

I cannot believe that this is even an issue.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:04:30am

re: #129 MsJ

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This is the Avengers except with lawyers.

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The Major  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:04:47am

re: #98 jeffreyw

They are taking a class. It is a college, you know.

Yeah, but they’re not wearing their funny-looking skullcaps…

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:05:22am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I should not be an issue but it is.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:06:16am

This is such a cool feature at LGF

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:07:11am

re: #52 freetoken

Mathematicians, in my experience, are more widely distributed in various beliefs than physicists.

Then again, math is not science, something over which various philosophy students can argue, but which is fairly well established as a precept among scientists.

Indeed, it is becoming clear that one of the failings of string theorists, M-theorists, multiverse-theorists, etc., is that they’ve gone astray by thinking their math is indeed physics.

They need to read Einstein’s book on Relativity.
The first chapter talks about geometry and how, why it seems to do a good job of explaining the world, it is not science, because it hasn’t been put through experimentation to see if it’s valid.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:13:03am

re: #91 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Any bigger, and you’ll run out of Cardinal numbers.

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:28:29am

re: #113 ObserverArt

Running a “special” today Jeffrey. The Fly-in is packed.

The blue plate special is a perennial favorite.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:32:30am

an article from the right-wing newsmax site. I check in there to see what the latest GOP talking points are (they are not quite as toxic or offensive as Fox) and found this rather damning assessment of the GOP on the editorial page:

The GOP High-Water Mark?

… Republicans won all elected branches of the federal government in 2016. But the initial ecstasy over Trump “signing their stuff” has given way to the reality that they don’t have stuff to send him.

Republicans couldn’t roll back Obamacare, in part because the party hadn’t thought through what the Republican alternative was…

…Maybe Republicans somehow hold on to the House this fall …At the very least, though, Republicans are going to lose their functional majority. The question at this juncture is, How would anyone notice?

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:34:41am

re: #140 Belafon

Any bigger, and you’ll run out of Cardinal numbers.

Nonsense! “One, two, many…”

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:36:55am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is one of many reasons why my ward leader said to me earlier this year we are concentrating on local elections. We are also working very closely with the Democrats in our area.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:38:21am

I like Anne Laurie’s title about Amy Chozick’s announcement of her new book:

Like Every Other Pundit, Amy Chozick Will Never Forgive Hillary Clinton for Amy Chozick’s Mistakes

From the excerpts I’ve seen, Chozick’s new “tell entirely too much” book reads scarily like it was written by a teenage girl looking to pick a fight with her stepmother. Selfish beeyotch kept lecturing me about how that new boy ‘couldn’t be trusted’, so of course I *had* to go to the party with him, and now that I’m stumbling home barefoot with a roofie hangover, I want the world to know that it is ALL HER FAULT!

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austin_blue  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:38:40am

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More sacrifices for the Tree of Liberty:
4 killed at Waffle House in Tennessee
A bystander wrestled the shooter’s gun away but the shooter himself got away.

The shooter was initially wearing nothing but a green jacket, which he shed in getting away.

“Ma!? I’m goin’ to the Waffle House.”

“Well at least put on a coat, son. You’ll catch your death.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:41:15am

re: #146 austin_blue

“Ma!? I’m goin’ to the Waffle House.”

“Well at least put on a coat, son. You’ll catch your death.”

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:42:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:42:38am
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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:44:52am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My brother, when he finishes his current marriage. :) (I hope he finally stops jumping around looking for the perfect marriage by finding the hottest woman, but at least he doesn’t mind kids - his current wife has three.)

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The Major  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:49:15am

re: #150 Belafon

My brother, when he finishes his current marriage. :)

Doesn’t everybody know you’re supposed to marry your 2nd wife first?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:50:30am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

She has a point, sadly. That’s pretty much how it works.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:50:49am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ivana Trump, in media interview, says Don Jr won’t have trouble finding a new spouse but Vanessa will: “Who is going to date and marry the woman who has five children?”

In our modern society, a “single woman with five children” is generally the equivalent of a “woman living at or below the poverty level”.

I do not think that will be the case with Vanessa.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:53:11am

re: #150 Belafon

My oldest sister has a long history of lousy choices in men. All by herself, she brought the 6 of us up to the national average for divorces.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 22, 2018 • 8:58:25am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In our modern society, a “single woman with five children” is generally the equivalent of a “woman living at or below the poverty level”.

I do not think that will be the case with Vanessa.

She’s gorgeous, rich, and smart enough to leave Jr’s ass, even with 5 kids to raise. Thinking she’ll be just fine.

Besides, who says she’ll want another husband?

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:01:01am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In our modern society, a “single woman with five children” is generally the equivalent of a “woman living at or below the poverty level”.

I do not think that will be the case with Vanessa.

True but with 5 young children there will not be much time for Vanessa and her prospective beau as couple. Perhaps a Brady bunch type arrangement would work out.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:03:25am

So have they found the Waffle House shooter yet? I mean, aside from the fact that he was last nekkid - which you’d think would be somewhat out of the ordinary in Nashville - this name is out there and everything.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:06:08am

re: #151 The Major

Doesn’t everybody know you’re supposed to marry your 2nd wife first?

This is his fourth.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:12:04am

Oh, so Donnie Jr’s wife has five children.

But Jr. himself does not???

How many women are gonna want to marry an egotistical no-nothing punk asshole that has five children whose mother thought they were better off away from said asshole?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:13:45am

re: #159 ObserverArt

Oh, so Donnie Jr’s wife has five children.

But Jr. himself does not???

How many women are gonna want to marry an egotistical no-nothing punk asshole that has five children whose mother thought they were better off away from said asshole?

Women who like to sleep late in the morning and wear a new pair of expensive shoes whenever they go out

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:15:04am

re: #159 ObserverArt

Oh, so Donnie Jr’s wife has five children.

But Jr. himself does not???

How many women are gonna want to marry an egotistical no-nothing punk asshole that has five children whose mother thought they were better off away from said asshole?

His father provided a role model showing that many women will be willing to marry such a man, especially if the man is wealthy.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:15:22am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Women who like to sleep late in the morning and wear a new pair of expensive shoes whenever they go out

You mean when they go to visit the new husband in jail?

: )

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:19:11am

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

His father provided a role model showing that many women will be willing to marry such a man, especially if the man is wealthy.

And they invite themselves into the same type of abuse and life that father has had with all his wives.

What is that old saying? Oh yeah, money can’t buy you happiness.

But you can get some nice shoes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:20:20am

re: #162 ObserverArt

You mean when they go to visit the new husband in jail?

: )

yes, this is all contingent on him not losing his entire fortune and spending time in jail…but afterwards, he will be able to write a book or go on a lecture circuit and get back on his feet, this is still America, where hardworking young men can forge their own destiny…

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:21:42am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, this is all contingent on him not losing his entire fortune and spending time in jail…but afterwards, he will be able to write a book or go on a lecture circuit and get back on his feet, this is still America, where hardworking young rich white men can forge their own destiny…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:24:04am

re: #165 Renaissance_Man

this is still America, where hardworking young rich white men can forge their own destiny…

yes, that was ironically implied

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Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:25:43am
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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:30:14am

re: #167 Stanley Sea

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W with his arm around Hillary. I love it, even if I don’t like W.

I hope all the Republican fainting couches are prepared.

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Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:37:50am

re: #167 Stanley Sea

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Not present: Turd in the suit who plays at being president.

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mmmirele  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:40:35am

Update: Banned from another church. And I didn’t even step on the property. *shrug* Jesus would have a cow about all the high end cars in the lot. The church normally broadcasts its sermon but it’s not being livestreamed today.

Drinking coffee now at the local Starbucks. Gee, the coffee does have an faint taste of “burnt.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:41:39am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, this is all contingent on him not losing his entire fortune and spending time in jail…but afterwards, he will be able to write a book or go on a lecture circuit and get back on his feet, this is still America, where hardworking young men can forge their own destiny…

How can he write a book if he is illiterate & can’t afford to pay a ghost writer?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:43:41am

re: #168 ObserverArt

W with his arm around Hillary. I love it, even if I don’t like W.

I hope all the Republican fainting couches are prepared.

This is the photo-op equivalent of a big finger directed at DT and he fucking well knows it and is probably fuming in silent rage because there is not a goddamn thing he can begin to tweet about it…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:44:29am

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

How can he write a book if he is illiterate & can’t afford to pay a ghost writer?

someone will approach him to do it on spec for a cut of the gross…

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:55:40am

re: #167 Stanley Sea

Susan Page✔
@SusanPage
This is a remarkable photo. (Taken by @PaulMorsePhoto, posted by @jgm41)

I bet Trump would really hate to see that photo showing up in his Twitter timeline…

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2018 • 9:56:09am

WTF

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:01:57am

Despite network TV video of Trump emerging from the presidential limousine, gun in hand, other prominent Trump supporters are questioning whether the shooting occurred at all. Fox News host Sean Hannity used his entire Thursday night segment to explore secret links between Hillary Clinton and Avennati, describing the attorney as a “paid crisis actor” as well as “a clear descendant of immigrants.” According to Hannity, the attack has all the earmarks of a “false flag” operation choreographed by the FBI.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:02:47am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

WTF

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Perhaps seeing Melania smiling while hanging out with the Obamas and Bush family has him so stirred up that he has to let out his bigotry somewhere, and guess what, you’re the ethnicity of the day.

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:08:53am

re: #176 jeffreyw

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It’s so perfect that it’s hardly even funny.

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TedStriker  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:09:31am

re: #157 Dr Lizardo

So have they found the Waffle House shooter yet? I mean, aside from the fact that he was last nekkid - which you’d think would be somewhat out of the ordinary in Nashville - this name is out there and everything.

Here in Nashville, I just woke up to see that in the news; aside from the obvious tragedy of the loss of life, I was just WTFing when I saw the gunman was nekkid but for a jacket and his rifle.

Another fucking day in the NRA’s America…

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:12:36am

re: #177 freetoken

Perhaps seeing Melania smiling while hanging out with the Obamas and Bush family has him so stirred up that he has to let out his bigotry somewhere, and guess what, you’re the ethnicity of the day.

I can almost hear Trump saying “Smile for me, babe. Smile like you did for Obama”. She must live in fear when she’s in the same room as him.

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Teukka  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:14:06am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

WTF

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“If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it most likely is a duck.”

I keep wondering when they’ll try to open the first KL.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:14:35am

re: #179 TedStriker

Here in Nashville, I just woke up to see that in the news; aside from the obvious tragedy of the loss of life, I was just WTFing when I saw the gunman was nekkid but for a jacket and his rifle.

Another fucking day in the NRA’s America…

The real religions in America are guns, drugs and money.

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BigPapa  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:18:10am

Bigly Ply

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:21:06am

re: #178 stpaulbear

It’s so perfect that it’s hardly even funny.

I cannot laugh at Trump humor any more…it is all too tragic.

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:23:09am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:26:35am

I see Stormy’s latest tweet got some raunch out in the open…….

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:33:09am

You won’t see Right Wing media like Fox News or Breitbart calling this man a hero anytime soon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:36:35am

re: #187 DodgerFan1988

You won’t see Right Wing media like Fox News or Breitbart calling this man a hero anytime soon.

He can’t be a hero, he was unarmed! Otherwise the fellow would not still be at large. We need BETTER GUYS WITH MORE GUNS!!!

/

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Nyet  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:38:26am

Re Sleepy Eyes:

ew.com
emptylighthouse.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:38:53am

hmmm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:40:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:40:28am

re: #185 Nyet

Holocaust Controversies: A (not so) short debunking of the “Holocaust Deprogramming Course”.

It’s scary that this is still a thing.

But again, we are on our way to moving outright fascism and white supremacism from their rightful place as things that are totally anathema to humanity, decency and civilization to being mere positions along the political spectrum that deserve to be tolerated as “alternate points of view”.

These are things that good and decent people have fought and bled to prevent and now we are being expected to treat them with some sort of deference.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:41:45am

re: #187 DodgerFan1988

You won’t see Right Wing media like Fox News or Breitbart calling this man a hero anytime soon.

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Nope. Now we know we just need a black guy without a gun to stop a murderous white supremacist with a gun.

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electrotek  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:42:49am

Gotta give credit where due here.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:43:15am
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Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:44:29am

re: #187 DodgerFan1988

You won’t see Right Wing media like Fox News or Breitbart calling this man a hero anytime soon.

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Of course they won’t…because he wasn’t a “good guy with a gun.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:45:05am

re: #194 electrotek

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Gotta give credit where due here.

Yes, but I suspect that calling came from his own conscience, and he’s humbly not taking as much credit as he deserves.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:54:21am

re: #197 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yes, but I suspect that calling came from his own conscience, and he’s humbly not taking as much credit as he deserves.

Sounds much better than the opposite.

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electrotek  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:55:07am

hahahahahahahaha Canadian wingnuts

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 10:55:36am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

And the question needs to be “What did you mean by ‘sleepy-eyed’?” not “Did you mean to insult Chuck Todd because he’s Jewish?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:00:59am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

WTF

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article about this from a year ago:
The Untold Story: Trump’s ‘Sleepy Eyes’ Insult A Jewish Slur Of Nazi Origin

The term “sleepy eyes” originated from Nazi propaganda as a way of identifying Jewish people. But its use became more widespread over the last few decades, when white supremacist media like Stormfront began using it.

Today, the “sleepy eyes” description is a common dog-whistle for the white nationalist movement.

For instance, there are countless articles published online by hate websites about how to spot someone who is Jewish.

These articles point to the person’s eyes, and they often describe them as “sleepy.” Examples can be easily found on sites like Stormfront; however, as a policy, we will not link to hate sites.

the yam previously used the slur a year ago:

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electrotek  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:01:56am

Um, yes it does.

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:02:55am

re: #196 Targetpractice

Of course they won’t…because he wasn’t a “good guy with a gun.”

Someone in the WaPo comments was whining that the shooting could have been ended by a good guy with a gun.

I replied that that’s not how it ended. The fantasy didn’t come true.

I have a feeling that all of the gun nuts just think like that. It should have been ended with the good guy with the gun, and they’ll just live in that fantasy instead of the real world.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:04:07am

re: #198 Belafon

Sounds much better than the opposite.

Absolutely.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:05:18am

re: #203 stpaulbear

Someone in the WaPo comments was whining that the shooting could have been ended by a good guy with a gun.

I replied that that’s not how it ended. The fantasy didn’t come true.

I have a feeling that all of the gun nuts just think like that. It should have been ended with the good guy with the gun, and they’ll just live in that fantasy instead of the real world.

Obviously being black is much like having a gun. This is why cops keep shooting unarmed black men.
/

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:06:51am
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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:08:08am

re: #205 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Obviously being black is much like having a gun. This is why cops keep shooting unarmed black men.
/

Can you imagine what would have happened if the cops had shown up when the black guy was wrestling the gun away from the shooter with no clothes?

Of course you can. That was a rhetorical question.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:08:57am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll bet he hasn’t had a solid poop in months……

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:10:19am

re: #193 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Nope. Now we know we just need a black guy without a gun to stop a murderous white supremacist with a gun.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:10:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:12:08am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:15:11am

RW moron: I like Trumps tweets because he talks the same way I talk to my buddies.

Me: That’s the problem. A President isn’t supposed to talk “the way you talk to your buddies”. He is supposed to be measured, tactful and careful with his words.

RW moron: You’re just mad Hillary didn’t win!

Me: *sigh*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:17:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:19:08am

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

RW moron: I like Trumps tweets because he talks the same way I talk to my buddies.

Me: That’s the problem. A President isn’t supposed to talk “the way you talk to your buddies”. He is supposed to be measured, tactful and careful with his words.

RW moron: You’re just mad Hillary didn’t win!

Me: *sigh*

That is a feature, not a bug. Again, we are dealing with people who were fed up with politics and politicians and wanted someone who was the opposite of that.

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gwangung  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:19:41am

re: #203 stpaulbear

Someone in the WaPo comments was whining that the shooting could have been ended by a good guy with a gun.

I replied that that’s not how it ended. The fantasy didn’t come true.

I have a feeling that all of the gun nuts just think like that. It should have been ended with the good guy with the gun, and they’ll just live in that fantasy instead of the real world.

The good guy with a gun can’t stop a bad guy with a gun if the bad buy has longer range, has more ammunition and has more firing power.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:20:24am

re: #202 electrotek

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Um, yes it does.

Yeah by definition it does.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:22:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:23:29am

re: #215 gwangung

The good guy with a gun can’t stop a bad guy with a gun if the bad buy has longer range, has more ammunition and has more firing power.

if the good guy with the gun has training, experience and nerves of steel, then he has a reasonable chance of stopping the bad guy in a public active shooter setting without endangering lives.

otherwise he should only be using his gun to defend himself and his home.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:23:57am

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

RW moron: I like Trumps tweets because he talks the same way I talk to my buddies.

Me: That’s the problem. A President isn’t supposed to talk “the way you talk to your buddies”. He is supposed to be measured, tactful and careful with his words.

RW moron: You’re just mad Hillary didn’t win!

Me: *sigh*

You know the thing is, Trump isn’t even really a straight shooter. He says obnoxious crap and then denies he said it. He’s nothing but a shit talking fraud.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:24:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:27:04am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

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apparently related:

must have been fun sermons in certain churches this morning.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:27:21am

Since it’s a beautiful morning, took the Maine Coon out for a stroll. Put the phone down for a through the grass look at Peppers face and she caught sight of something that moved just right.

Target Aquired, Eyes Locked, Prey Identification In Process
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:31:45am

I didn’t know that about “sleepy eyes” but this isn’t the first and nor will it be the last that Trump has used anti Semitic language. But secondly, petty name calling bullshit like that degrades the office. Todd was critical of Obama too. Didn’t see Obama doing this shit. Trump’s a pathetic little man.

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stpaulbear  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:31:46am

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did Tea Pain walk out during the service or just keep his outrage hid until he was quietly out of the building?

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electrotek  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:32:50am

Let’s go out of our way to “understand” bigots, eh?

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:34:12am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

if the good guy with the gun has training, experience and nerves of steel, then he has a reasonable chance of stopping the bad guy in a public active shooter setting without endangering lives.

otherwise he should only be using his gun to defend himself and his home.

I had a conversation with a ccw guy I know from out of state. He won’t visit LA cause no gun. I was explaining how many times somebody does have a gun and simply can’t fire, probably won’t even clear holster given an urban crowd, glass storefront and cars full of uninvolved people all over the place. He had to agree at least in part. By the numbers of big shootings that have happened in public spaces where ccw is not at all uncommon very un-like Los Angeles, they run or walk away with everyone else. The gun stayed put.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:34:55am

re: #224 stpaulbear

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Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:34:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:35:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:35:12am

re: #225 electrotek

Why should anyone go out of their way to “understand” a bigot who subscribes to BS conspiracy theories?

again, there was a time when we saw Nazis and White Supremacists as people who were an affront to American values and everything we have stood for and even fought against.

Now we are expected to just look on them as “differing viewpoints”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:35:47am

re: #224 stpaulbear

Did Tea Pain walk out during the service or just keep his outrage hid until he was quietly out of the building?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:35:59am

re: #225 electrotek

Let’s go out of our way to “understand” bigots, eh?

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You know what gets me about people who want us to “understand “ these people is there’s never any of this directed the other way. No calls to understand our beliefs. Anyone who believes the Parkland kids are crisis actors. I’m not willing to understand your POV because you’ve already shown your colors.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:38:40am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, there was a time when we saw Nazis and White Supremacists as something that was an affront to American values and everything we have stood for and even fought against.

Now we are expected to just look on them as “differing viewpoints”.

Yep a lot of my classmates including myself had grandfather’s or grand uncles that were part of the Allies that defeated the Nazis. Hell I even have more distant relatives that were Partisans. We all agreed that the Nazis sucked even if we had disagreements about other things. That’s changed unfortunately.

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electrotek  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:38:52am

He got upset rather easily:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:39:20am

related to this:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:40:46am

I’m willing to listen to different viewpoints. In fact, some of my good friends are Libertarians with a vastly different view on the economy than me but if you’re preaching racial supremacy or kicking out immigrants or belittling racial or sexual minorities, fuck you, you’re not worth listening to.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:41:40am

re: #234 electrotek

He got upset rather easily:

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Considering you voted for the guy who gave the order to kill OBL. So much for the nice Canadian.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:43:42am

My theory remains that younger people have become more easy to influence about the Nazis since they have fewer people in their lives that remember the Nazis. Obviously that’s not most younger people since younger people as a whole reject this bs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:44:09am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

I’m willing to listen to different viewpoints. In fact, some of my good friends are Libertarians with a vastly different view on the economy than me but if you’re preaching racial supremacy or kicking out immigrants or belittling racial or sexual minorities, fuck you, you’re not worth listening to.

as soon as a buddy of mine referred to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a valid historical reference, I gave up discussing politics with him

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:44:48am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Considering you voted for the guy who gave the order to kill OBL. So much for the nice Canadian.

The species seems to be hard-wired for every group to have a guaranteed asshole quotient. Means that if someone in one group wants to tar brush another group there is always at least a few examples to point to as the “representative” of the whole group.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:45:20am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as soon as a buddy of mine referred to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a valid historical reference, I gave up discussing politics with him

JFC. But yeah I’ve done the same with my friend who wanted to watch Hillary’s America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:46:12am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

My theory remains that younger people have become more easy to influence about the Nazis since they have fewer people in their lives that remember the Nazis. Obviously that’s not most younger people since younger people as a whole reject this bs.

Civil War Revisionism:

“The Civil War was not just about slavery!” to “The Civil War was not about slavery at all”

Nazi revisionism:

“Not everything the Nazis did was evil and inhumane!” to “Nazis were guys just like us!”

we cannot let this shit take over the public discourse

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:46:18am

re: #240 Feline Fearless Leader

The species seems to be hard-wired for every group to have a guaranteed asshole quotient. Means that if someone in one group wants to tar brush another group there is always at least a few examples to point to as the “representative” of the whole group.

Oh I know. I was poking fun at a positive stereotype of the Canadians. This dude sucks no matter where they’re from.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:46:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:47:54am

re: #228 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:48:21am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:48:46am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Civil War Revisionism:

“The Civil War was not just about slavery!” to “The Civil War was not about slavery at all”

Nazi revisionism:

“Not everything the Nazis did was evil and inhumane!” to “Nazis were guys just like us!”

we cannot let this shit take over the public discourse

Yep it’s the same thing. I was really bummed that my brother was too exhausted in Germany to visit a concentration camp site but he did have a moment where he witnessed casual racism towards the Romani that I think he’s thought about and maybe made him a little more aware of prejudice.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:49:08am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll pass.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:49:38am

re: #246 Charles Johnson

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Fucking moron.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:53:17am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Yep it’s the same thing. I was really bummed that my brother was too exhausted in Germany to visit a concentration camp site but he did have a moment where he witnessed casual racism towards the Romani that I think he’s thought about and maybe made him a little more aware of prejudice.

Would visiting a US internment camp from WW2 like Manzanar have a greater effect?

With a German one it can sort of be written off that it was the Nazis doing it. With a US one it hits a bit closer to home though I’m sure some would manage to solely blame it on the Democrats, FDR, or the Japanese themselves.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:54:28am

in Louisiana:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:54:42am

re: #250 Feline Fearless Leader

Would visiting a US internment camp from WW2 like Manzanar have a greater effect?

With a German one it can sort of be written off that it was the Nazis doing it. With a US one it hits a bit closer to home though I’m sure some would manage to solely blame it on the Democrats, FDR, or the Japanese themselves.

I think it might and I regret never thinking about that.

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Interesting Times  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:56:09am

It will never cease to amaze me how good the Parkland kids are at messaging and framing, as it it just comes naturally to them (are you paying attention, overpaid and under-performing Dem consultants??) If you have anyone in your life who’s apolitical/without strong opinions on gun reform, show them this - in a nutshell, it’s all they need to know:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:56:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:57:23am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Yep it’s the same thing. I was really bummed that my brother was too exhausted in Germany to visit a concentration camp site but he did have a moment where he witnessed casual racism towards the Romani that I think he’s thought about and maybe made him a little more aware of prejudice.

Germany has taken on record numbers of refugees, which I find to be an admirable act. If they made any mistake in doing so, it was in not pressuring the rest of Europe to do take more; as it is those other nations really took undue advantage of Germany.

I would have found it reasonable for Germany to insist that the refugee issue be approached as an EU issue to be dealt with jointly by all member states, and agreed to take a maximum percentage based on their share of the population and/or GDP, which would still have left them with the biggest share.

Unfortunately, they did not and it has led to a bit of a backlash and contributed to the right-wing nationalist anti-immigrant AfD getting 13% of the vote and seats in Parliament.

A common complaint heard here is “We don’t have money for our own homeless and poor, how come we are taking on all these refugees?” to which a German leftist politician answered, “Even without refugees, we still wouldn’t find enough money for our poor and homeless!”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:58:20am

re: #253 Interesting Times

It will never cease to amaze me how good the Parkland kids are at messaging and framing, as it it just comes naturally to them (are you paying attention, overpriced and underperforming Dem consultants??) If you have anyone in your life who’s apolitical/without strong opinions on gun reform, show them this - in a nutshell, it’s all they need to know:

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They’re very well spoken on this. They understand first hand how our current policies aren’t working and they know how full of shit the NRA is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:58:22am

re: #250 Feline Fearless Leader

Would visiting a US internment camp from WW2 like Manzanar have a greater effect?

With a German one it can sort of be written off that it was the Nazis doing it. With a US one it hits a bit closer to home though I’m sure some would manage to solely blame it on the Democrats, FDR, or the Japanese themselves.

I don’t recall people being gassed, starved or worked to death at places like Manzanar, just deprived of liberty and property. Bad enough but not really comparable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:58:50am

heh

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:59:31am

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany has taken on record numbers of refugees, which I find to be an admirable act. If they made any mistake in doing so, it was in not pressuring the rest of Europe to do take more, as it is those other nations really took undue advantage of Germany.

I would have found it reasonable for Germany to insist that the refugee issue be approached as an EU issue to be dealt with jointly by all member states, and agreed to take a maximum percentage based on their share of the population and/or GDP, which would still have left them with the biggest share.

Unfortunately, it has led to a bit of a backlash and to the right-wing nationalist anti-immigrant AfD getting 13% of the vote and seats in Parliament.

A common complaint heard here is “We don’t have money for our own homeless and poor, how come we are taking on all these refugees?” to which a German leftist politician answered, “Even without refugees, we still wouldn’t find enough money for our poor and homeless!”

Oh yes, I greatly admire how Germany uses its past for a better present and future.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:59:42am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Haha.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 11:59:44am

re: #228 Charles Johnson

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Trump will sell the U.S. out so long as the North Korean nukes carry TRUMP logos on the sides.

That IS a Trump deal and he will tout that as great.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:00:00pm

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:03:05pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I see Romney hasn’t changed since we last saw him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:06:25pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:07:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:08:13pm

hahahahahahahaha

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:10:43pm

Does anyone know how to privately contact any of the Parkland kids, like David Hogg, Emma Gonzales, & Cameron Kasky?

gp+WPj73+UF+x0qCNqdiWYPJI94BUeunemW5GAdQY7DrwODwNRHQuvUtKekOJNoG4FRMC0tOpFDnK4m7nfyAQJRy1I3ZGWB67EZbGRXIN4ATsJPsvSGFExEdH9p0y6tDagFy75Mn7Iabbj6TttsXUr0pSySIPwIjxz99kRMeKi8s3F043B/quym11u/p84e65ZEoOq5Y1k46d/Au5aB9A54LZc4L91hqlkMXMBMlAz5PnQR9DXe4XQDUazpKt3N2H9EcyB4fgGRoLik9mWld0WUrO2yJwH7RdVDRCOREy/E4DdAeSSA9CEhFl7HB7feV4nfjM1RCkws603uEj+7wzOg0rXlaOPQaMWusmJ7fxQS9Cv+kVxTcfGkvt/aW9EG/3uOqn2e1+Vc7iyrj1zwsT70p7de2jVSVZvIC7ghU4l6bhBjm1vux/H3xkdV++gqX

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:10:55pm

re: #265 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I see one can avoid the entire there/their/they’re conundrum by using “thier” as an all purpose synonym…

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:11:17pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I see Romney hasn’t changed since we last saw him.

How could he? That mind has set.

What is fun though…he doesn’t realize no one really likes him anymore. His own state seems to be less than thrilled.

Maybe kissing Trump’s ass after calling him out as a despicable phony will make even your own think you are in fact a hypocritical asshole.

Go away Mitt. It hasn’t been nice knowing you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:12:31pm

re: #269 ObserverArt

How could he? That mind has set.

What is fun though…he doesn’t realize no one really likes him anymore. His own state seems to be less than thrilled.

Maybe kissing Trump’s ass after calling him out as a despicable phony will make even your own think you are in fact a hypocritical asshole.

Go away Mitt. It hasn’t been nice knowing you.

I think he entertains the notion that he is going to ride in and save the Party

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:13:15pm

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

Best I can think of is:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:13:53pm

re: #269 ObserverArt

How could he? That mind has set.

What is fun though…he doesn’t realize no one really likes him anymore. His own state seems to be less than thrilled.

Maybe kissing Trump’s ass after calling him out as a despicable phony will make even your own think you are in fact a hypocritical asshole.

Go away Mitt. It hasn’t been nice knowing you.

I’m being a smart ass sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:14:33pm

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think he entertains the notion that he is going to ride in and save the Party

He’s delusional. He’ll never be loved in that party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:14:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:15:05pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahahaha

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She’s such a tool.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:15:48pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see one can avoid the entire there/their/they’re conundrum by using “thier” as an all purpose synonym…

I saw someone use “there’re” this morning on Quora. They were trying for “their”, so they were as wrong as possible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:16:47pm

re: #276 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I saw someone use “there’re” this morning on Quora. They were trying for “their”, so they were as wrong as possible.

there are = there’re

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:17:03pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know a lot about sliminess Ari given your lies about Iraq in the lead up to that war. And you didn’t object at all that Clinton was impeached over Monica in what was originally about Whitewater so shut up.

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Mattand  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:17:48pm

The Daily Beast has an editorial on why liberals need tough love from noted contrarian-because-he-thinks-it-makes-him-look-smart-somehow Bill Maher.

I refused to click and read it.

Yes, I do want a cookie for this.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:18:38pm

Which tweet to enter with?

Why not both?

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:19:18pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I’m being a smart ass sorry.

What is with the excuse Happy? No need. I was just giving a smart-ass reason to your comment.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:20:24pm

re: #279 Mattand

The Daily Beast has an editorial on why liberals need tough love from noted contrarian-because-he-thinks-it-makes-him-look-smart-somehow Bill Maher.

I refused to click and read it.

Yes, I do want a cookie for this.

Why should I listen to Bill Maher who can’t even get his facts correct in his documentary about what my ideology should do? Maher is a dick.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:20:42pm

re: #279 Mattand

[…]

Yes, I do want a cookie for this.

Have an upding. It’s a calorie-free cookie.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:21:09pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

What did a stain on a dress have to do with White Water?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:21:59pm

re: #281 ObserverArt

What is with the excuse Happy? No need. I was just giving a smart-ass reason to your comment.

Ah no excuse, I thought you didn’t see the smartass in my original comment. I wish Mitt would go away too. He’s as inspiring as dog food.

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BeachDem  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:22:13pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Much like when “Mighty Mitt Saved the Olympics”…

Being the face of the Olympics even extended to Romney having his image used on a series of promotional buttons with slogans including “Hey, Mitt, we love you!” and even one with Romney as a superhero wrapped in the American flag.

when Mitt Romney ran the Salt Lake Olympics much of its official memorabilia was manufactured overseas, including a 9/11 commemorative pin and another fashioned in the shape of Romney’s head.

Salt Lake 2002 Olympics paraphernalia obtained by ABC bears “Made in China” and “Made in Bangladesh” stamps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:22:49pm

re: #284 Belafon

What did a stain on a dress have to do with White Water?

when they could not find anything to prosecute the Clintons on over their Whitewater dealings, they kept at it until they found evidence of blowjob in the form of Clinton’s DNA on one of Monica’s stained dresses.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:22:52pm

re: #284 Belafon

What did a stain on a dress have to do with White Water?

Exactly. Ari should just shut up and stop being a hack for once.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:23:49pm

re: #287 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

when they could not find anything to prosecute the Clintons on over their Whitewater dealings, they kept at it until they found evidence of blowjob in the form of Clinton’s DNA on one of Monica’s stained dresses.

I know, but according to Ari, they should have never gotten that far.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:25:01pm

re: #286 BeachDem

Much like when “Mighty Mitt Saved the Olympics”…

Being the face of the Olympics even extended to Romney having his image used on a series of promotional buttons with slogans including “Hey, Mitt, we love you!” and even one with Romney as a superhero wrapped in the American flag.

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when Mitt Romney ran the Salt Lake Olympics much of its official memorabilia was manufactured overseas, including a 9/11 commemorative pin and another fashioned in the shape of Romney’s head.

Salt Lake 2002 Olympics paraphernalia obtained by ABC bears “Made in China” and “Made in Bangladesh” stamps.

To be fair, Mitt’s operating systems were made in China too. The Romney 5.0 loves Donald Trump and is even to his right on immigration where he’ll deport the remains of his father George back to Mexico.

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mmmirele  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:25:14pm

I’m home now.

The church is going with the “he repented, what’s the problem?” stance. The problem is Les Hughey didn’t apologize to the women, who, because they were underage and because he was their youth pastor, can be considered victims. So he’s going to be on a leave of absence, which, in my mind, is completely unacceptable.

They’re also not going to be thrilled about Fox 10 being out there or me talking to the Arizona Republic.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2018 • 12:27:26pm

re: #291 mmmirele

I’m home now.

The church is going with the “he repented, what’s the problem?” stance. The problem is Les Hughey didn’t apologize to the women, who, because they were underage and because he was their youth pastor, can be considered victims. So he’s going to be on a leave of absence, which, in my mind, is completely unacceptable.

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They’re also not going to be thrilled about Fox 10 being out there or me talking to the Arizona Republic.

I’m not familiar with the case but he obviously took advantage of the young women involved.

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petesh  Apr 22, 2018 • 1:03:02pm

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am convinced she is hanging on as long as possible so she can keep Charles’ reign short or even hand it directly over to her grandson…

Hey, her mother lived to 101, so I dont think theories are even needed. Also, she has reluctantly given up Corgis because she wouldn’t like one of them to outlive (and therefore miss) her. Elizabeth and Corgis have always been very close.

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The Major  Apr 22, 2018 • 3:18:36pm

re: #269 ObserverArt

Go away Mitt. It hasn’t been nice knowing you.

His father would not be pleased with his son….


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