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Charles Johnson  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:20:18am
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Belafon  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:22:17am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

That’s when you’d love to have microphones at Fox: “My God, he’s as crazy as they say he is.”

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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:29:02am
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Belafon  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:29:32am

Fox this evening:

“Earlier today, the President called in to talk to us. Here’s how it went:

Fox: Hello, Mr. President
Trump: Thank you for listening to me.
Fox: Did you get Melania anything.
Trump: I got her a card.
Fox: Thanks again, Mr. President.

He’s a busy man, so we didn’t want to keep him on too long.”

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:31:39am

Hannity destroys own reputation by continually claiming other right wing smear merchants and agitprop slingers caught lying under oath are actually destroying the people questioning them.

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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:33:01am

Nice to see the Fake News! canard get blown up by Trump and on FoxNews. Kinda hard for the wingnuts to hide from that one.

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jaunte  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:33:46am

Delusional Pruitt Denies Any Wrongdoing

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:33:49am

re: #5 lawhawk

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Hannity destroys own reputation by continually claiming other right wing smear merchants and agitprop slingers caught lying under oath are actually destroying the people questioning them.

Hannity destroying his own reputation reminds me of the old line about how do you bomb someone into the stone age when they already live there.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:33:54am
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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:34:51am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:35:45am

re: #9 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Hmmm

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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:38:50am

LOL

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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:38:56am

re: #10 MsJ

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lol, has Trump pardoned Diamond and Silk yet?

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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:38:56am

heh, look at the guy’s reaction at the 1:00 min mark when she says “fake news”

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:40:41am

re: #14 gocart mozart

heh, look at the guy’s reaction at the 1:00 min mark when she says “fake news”

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I believe that look translates to “did she just… really?”

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makeitstop  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:40:59am

re: #14 gocart mozart

heh, look at the guy’s reaction at the 1:00 min mark when she says “fake news”

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Do they not understand that being ‘reimbursed’ is the same as getting paid?

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:41:17am

re: #12 MsJ

Three way deal: I’m blocked by Gorka, Woods, and Junior. I’ll accept a case of baseballs in return.

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:41:49am

re: #17 lawhawk

Three way deal: I’m blocked by Gorka, Woods, and Junior. I’ll accept a case of baseballs in return.

New or used baseballs?

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:42:01am
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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:42:09am

re: #16 makeitstop

They don’t know or care. They will make any prosecution over this out to be persecution because they’re conservatives - not because they lied to Congress over getting paid by Trump.

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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:42:52am

re: #18 KGxvi

New or used baseballs?

Either? Both?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:43:59am

re: #20 lawhawk

They don’t know or care. They will make any prosecution over this out to be persecution because they’re conservatives - not because they lied to Congress over getting paid by Trump.

I doubt they know. D&S don’t strike me as smart.

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:44:17am

re: #18 KGxvi

I’ll settle for whiffle balls.

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Alephnaught  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:45:29am

So Trump is visiting the UK on July 13.? This should be fun…

What’s really funny is that some conservatives over here have urged him to miss out London in favour of Scotland. Bwahahahaha!

The letter to the president was signed by the heads of British conservative think tanks the Bow Group, Bruges Group, Parliament Street and the Freedom Association, as well as the chairman of Republicans Overseas Scotland and a contributor to ThinkScotland.

They told the president the political and media establishment in London was “far out of touch” with the feelings of ordinary people outside the capital, many of whom they said “strongly support” his leadership

This would be the capital where half of the population of the UK lives. And, also, Buckingham Palace.

The letter states: “Your ancestral homeland of Scotland represents a powerful bond between you and Britain, and given the nature of the climate in London, it is a superior destination.

Bwahahahaha!!!!!

“Scotland and the North of England also offer a variety of locations where you would be able to speak directly to ordinary British people and witness the true level of support that exists for you and the special relationship between the US and the UK.”

Like this? (NSFW)

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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:46:04am

I do believe that is illegal.

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jaunte  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:46:07am

re: #16 makeitstop

Do they not understand that being ‘reimbursed’ is the same as getting paid?

The worst punishment for them will be being denied attention.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:46:11am

I earn more than $320 a week, and I don’t even have a job

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:47:00am

re: #5 lawhawk

I’d “say no education or skills”, but lying with a straight face day after day is a skill.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:47:36am

re: #6 b.d. (Candy Man)

Nice to see the Fake News! canard get blown up by Trump and on FoxNews. Kinda hard for the wingnuts to hide from that one.

Watch them. I bet they ate that interview up and are saying “attaboy Mr. President, you tell them fake news people at CNN, NBC, CBS, WaPo, NYTimes what’s what!”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:50:10am

Destroy? Another word abused to death.

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:50:52am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:51:48am
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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:52:20am

re: #31 lawhawk
I have to say I am surprised. My reading of what went on did not sound good for the prosecution. I am glad, though.

My childhood “dad” broke my fucking heart.

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:53:02am

re: #24 Alephnaught

Scotland? As in the place filled with people like this:

The Twelfth Doctor [Doctor Who]

Yeah, good luck with that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:53:22am

re: #31 lawhawk

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Sad end for him but it’s even more disturbing he did this and got away with it for so long.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:54:06am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Isn’t he just spewing stuff back at them that he heard on Fox & Friends? Are they all like “Oh we know that’s all bullshit, we never meant anyone to actually take it seriously!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:54:31am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Sad end for him but it’s even more disturbing he did this and got away with it for so long.

I loved his early comedy and his first TV show…never paid much attention to The Cosby Show

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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:55:00am
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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:55:22am

No link. People looked. Nothing in the WSJ.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:55:24am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Sad end for him but it’s even more disturbing he did this and got away with it for so long.

I’m sure he has plenty of fans in prison who don’t care about drugging and raping.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:55:41am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I loved his early comedy and his first TV show…never paid much attention to The Cosby Show

He never did it for me but he was iconic.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:55:44am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I doubt they know. D&S don’t strike me as smart.

How can you as a White person say that when you didn’t talk to their mouths???

I guess you read fake news too!

(Did I do that right?)

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:55:53am

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

Isn’t he just spewing stuff back at them that he heard on Fox & Friends? Are they all like “Oh we know that’s all bullshit, we never meant anyone to actually take it seriously!”

A shorter version of Trump’s call:

It’s Still Real To Me Dammit

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:58:02am

re: #39 MsJ

It’s all confirmation bias bulkshit (because it’s more than mere bullshit).

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:59:16am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 10:59:56am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:00:12am

re: #44 lawhawk

It’s all confirmation bias bulkshit (because it’s more than mere bullshit).

In this case, it’s at least believable. Look at Trump…..I’d reckon he weighs in at well over 250 so saying he’s at 289 is probably pretty damn close to the truth.

Yeah, and probably serious hypertension as well. Lack of exercise, poor diet, etc.

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Bass Reeves  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:00:20am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I loved his early comedy and his first TV show…never paid much attention to The Cosby Show

There is literally an entire generation of black professionals who looked to The Cosby Show and A Different World as aspirational, and are pretty much furious.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:00:49am

re: #48 Bass Reeves

There is literally an entire generation of black professionals who looked to The Cosby Show and A Different World as aspirational, and are pretty much furious.

Can’t say I blame them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:02:35am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I loved his early comedy and his first TV show…never paid much attention to The Cosby Show

Me too. I was telling The Boys this, that before he fell into the whole “Fat Albert/Jello Pudding” era of not-funny-anymore, he was fucking BRILLIANT, that his routines were pantswettingly funny.

But really, that ended before 1970.

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Alephnaught  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:03:57am

re: #34 KGxvi

Scotland? As in the place filled with people like this:

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Yeah, good luck with that.

And the place which reacted on Twitter to Trump’s endorsal of the Brexit vote like this: (Keeping the Scottish Doctor theme going)

(Actually, that’s a more polite accent than most of the tweets were written in. And they missed my favourite one where someone called Trump a “shit-tobogganist”.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:04:23am

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

Me too. I was telling The Boys this, that before he fell into the whole “Fat Albert/Jello Pudding” era of not-funny-anymore, he was fucking BRILLIANT, that his routines were pantswettingly funny.

But really, that ended before 1970.

The Giant Chicken Heart

He really understood how kids think…

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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:05:22am

re: #51 Alephnaught

And the place which reacted on Twitter to Trump’s endorsal of the Brexit vote like this: (Keeping the Scottish Doctor theme going)

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(Actually, that’s a more polite accent than most of the tweets were written in. And they missed my favourite one where someone called Trump a “shit-tobogganist”.)

COCKSPLAT! I will never not love that.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:05:55am

Michael Cohen must be having an interesting morning. Less than 24 hours ago he filed paperwork to plead the 5th in a case to protect the guy who he has spent a large portion of his professional career covering for. A guy who he considered a friend, who he did unethical if not illegal things in defense of, who no doubt told him in private moments how great a friend he considered him, before that “friend” got elected to the White House and took along the kids that hate Mike’s guts but left Mike back in NYC to keep doing his bidding.

Now Mike is facing the very real possibility of jail time over something he claims was a “favor” to that friend…and his friend, in less than 5 minutes, just blew a massive hole in his legal case right below the waterline. Any real hope of asserting “attorney-client privilege” is gone, as is the defense that his friend was totally ignorant of the payout meant to silence personally embarrassing info. And it’s now inevitable that his “friend” is going to go to the press in the near future to begin distancing himself in the hope of avoiding legal consequences if Mike is convicted.

Were I Mike, I’d seriously consider returning any calls from Robert Mueller in the past couple weeks. Probation and a fine is better than doing time in the pen waiting for a pardon that may never come.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:06:08am
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Kragar  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:07:55am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:08:58am

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Giant Chicken Heart

He really understood how kids think…

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

It’s in your home state…

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

It’s outside of your door…

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

And it’s going to eat YOU up!

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:09:12am

re: #46 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t know which is worse, the fact that the intelligence community isn’t sure if it can trust Trump, or that they don’t think he’ll listen/internalize what they tell him, or… well, this part:

Early in his administration, Trump was shown a scale model of North Korea’s sprawling nuclear bomb test site with a removable mountaintop and a miniature Statue of Liberty inside so he could grasp the size of the facility, two U.S. officials said.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:10:49am

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

It’s in your home state…

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

It’s outside of your door…

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

And it’s going to eat YOU up!

which is why you have to spread jello all over the floor and set the couch on fire.

makes perfect sense

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:11:33am

Your moment of “Stupid Watergate” today comes from Jefferson Beauregard:

For those who aren’t students of history, one of the popular arguments by the White House as “shit got real” was that the whole thing was “distracting” Nixon from addressing America’s “real problems.”

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Kragar  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:11:37am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:11:53am

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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Ah Greneil, a second act after Mitt fired him for being gay.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:12:14am

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

Me too. I was telling The Boys this, that before he fell into the whole “Fat Albert/Jello Pudding” era of not-funny-anymore, he was fucking BRILLIANT, that his routines were pantswettingly funny.

But really, that ended before 1970.

He went from comic to social lecturer.

Makes me wonder if at that same time is when he started his pattern of abuse of women. He may have used his moralizing to act as cover for what was really going on.

You know, sort of like the despicable actions of some of the corrupt priests in the Catholic Church hiding behind the cloth and cross.

The timeline fits too. I think he got into the Fat Albert thing in the early 70s. You know what else was big in the early 70s? Quaaludes, also known as Sopors. A quick way to feel “drunk” without drinking and the hangover. And that was his drug of choice.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:12:54am

re: #61 Kragar

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From the crowd that brought you “HILLARY NEEDS TO TURN OVER HER SPEECH TRANSCRIPTS SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT SHE PROMISED TO THE BANKS!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:13:13am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

which is why you have to spread jello all over the floor and set the couch on fire.

makes perfect sense

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

What chicken heart are you talking about?

The one on the radio!

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

Silly idiot - turn it off!

*boomboom…boomboom…boomboom…*

*Click*

Hadn’t thought of that.

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Kragar  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:13:36am
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Kragar  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:14:50am
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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:14:59am

re: #60 Targetpractice

Your moment of “Stupid Watergate” today comes from Jefferson Beauregard:

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For those who aren’t students of history, one of the popular arguments by the White House as “shit got real” was that the whole thing was “distracting” Nixon from addressing America’s “real problems.”

Isn’t “this investigation is a distraction” pretty much page 3 of the White House manual for handling issues? Seems like something every recent president has used at some point.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:15:46am

re: #63 ObserverArt

He went from comic to social lecturer.

Makes me wonder if at that same time is when he started his pattern of abuse of women. He may have used his moralizing to act as cover for what was really going on.

You know, sort of like the despicable actions of some of the corrupt priests in the Catholic Church hiding behind the cloth and cross.

The timeline fits too. I think he got into the Fat Albert thing in the early 70s. You know what else was big in the early 70s? Quaaludes, also known as Sopors. A quick way to feel “drunk” without drinking and the hangover. And that was his drug of choice.

Quaaludes were the party drug of the 70’s…back when “date rape” was not a concept yet…

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Kragar  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:16:57am

re: #68 KGxvi

Isn’t “this investigation is a distraction” pretty much page 3 of the White House manual for handling issues? Seems like something every recent president has used at some point.

All Republicans have to do is confess and throw themselves on the mercy of the courts and we can end this right now.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:18:17am

re: #54 Targetpractice

Michael Cohen must be having an interesting morning. Less than 24 hours ago he filed paperwork to plead the 5th in a case to protect the guy who he has spent a large portion of his professional career covering for. A guy who he considered a friend, who he did unethical if not illegal things in defense of, who no doubt told him in private moments how great a friend he considered him, before that “friend” got elected to the White House and took along the kids that hate Mike’s guts but left Mike back in NYC to keep doing his bidding.

Now Mike is facing the very real possibility of jail time over something he claims was a “favor” to that friend…and his friend, in less than 5 minutes, just blew a massive hole in his legal case right below the waterline. Any real hope of asserting “attorney-client privilege” is gone, as is the defense that his friend was totally ignorant of the payout meant to silence personally embarrassing info. And it’s now inevitable that his “friend” is going to go to the press in the near future to begin distancing himself in the hope of avoiding legal consequences if Mike is convicted.

Were I Mike, I’d seriously consider returning any calls from Robert Mueller in the past couple weeks. Probation and a fine is better than doing time in the pen waiting for a pardon that may never come.

That’s Trump!

People like Cohen are to be used.

I hope Cohen is smart enough to realize Trump bullshitted him the whole time and that he was going to be dumped on at first need.

Problem is, Cohen seems to be dense enough to think Trump is a good guy in a tough position and he may still take the hit for him.

Look at some of the people Trump has surrounded himself with. Many are not the brightest bulbs. And Trump knew that and used them.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:18:37am

re: #60 Targetpractice

Your moment of “Stupid Watergate” today comes from Jefferson Beauregard:

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For those who aren’t students of history, one of the popular arguments by the White House as “shit got real” was that the whole thing was “distracting” Nixon from addressing America’s “real problems.”

I want to see ‘Bad Lipreading’ do John Dean’s testimony at the Watergate hearings.

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scottslemmons  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:19:45am

re: #60 Targetpractice

Your moment of “Stupid Watergate” today comes from Jefferson Beauregard:

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For those who aren’t students of history, one of the popular arguments by the White House as “shit got real” was that the whole thing was “distracting” Nixon from addressing America’s “real problems.”

…Does this mean Trump wants to nuke France?

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blueraven  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:20:43am

re: #39 MsJ

No link. People looked. Nothing in the WSJ.

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He is on our side? Hmmm…he has a habit of tweeting fake BREAKING NEWS with no link. Think that is a bot or works for the other team. Tweet examples under tags so as not to spread.

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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:21:14am

re: #66 Kragar

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Yep Hannity, destroyed.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:21:17am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Quaaludes were the party drug of the 70’s…back when “date rape” was not a concept yet…

‘Date rape’ was a concept as soon as dating was a concept.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:21:31am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:21:56am

re: #63 ObserverArt

He went from comic to social lecturer.

Makes me wonder if at that same time is when he started his pattern of abuse of women. He may have used his moralizing to act as cover for what was really going on.

You know, sort of like the despicable actions of some of the corrupt priests in the Catholic Church hiding behind the cloth and cross.

The timeline fits too. I think he got into the Fat Albert thing in the early 70s. You know what else was big in the early 70s? Quaaludes, also known as Sopors. A quick way to feel “drunk” without drinking and the hangover. And that was his drug of choice.

I think his moralistic lecturing started about 30 years later, in the 00’s.

But to me, his comedy went downhill as he lost touch with his childhood, or maybe he ran out of things to say? Like a band that puts out brilliant work for a while but then runs out of good songs.

I felt like he had a good run in standup in the 1960s, then kind of lost his way artistically till The Cosby Show, where he found some footing again as part of a team, then lost his way again after that.

I don’t know that I’d even tie his artistic ups and downs to his serial rapist activities. He’s kind of an object lesson that someone can be brilliantly funny and do good works while being a monster in another aspect of his life. Few monsters are simply monsters entirely.

Meet it is I set it down
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:22:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:22:23am

re: #76 wrenchwench

‘Date rape’ was a concept as soon as dating was a concept.

I was being a bit facetious, but attitudes about it were quite different back then

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:24:16am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was being a bit facetious, but attitudes about it were quite different back then

Not a thing about which to be facetious.

Whose attitude was different?

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Bass Reeves  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:25:19am

re: #63 ObserverArt

He finished his Master’s/PhD in the 70s and made a deliberate turn towards respectability in the 80s. I think that was slightly separate than the drugging women part.

My wife and I noted that his respectability stuff was actually counter to the conclusions in his thesis, but that was a few years before this stuff resurfaced.

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dangerman  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:27:08am

re: #60 Targetpractice

Your moment of “Stupid Watergate” today comes from Jefferson Beauregard:

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For those who aren’t students of history, one of the popular arguments by the White House as “shit got real” was that the whole thing was “distracting” Nixon from addressing America’s “real problems.”

do your work
dont watch fox

‘distractions’ solved

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:27:34am

re: #81 wrenchwench

Not a thing about which to be facetious.

Whose attitude was different?

the attitude of society towards the women who actually came forward and claimed to have been raped by their dates, as they generally knew they would be seen as sluts who deserved it

It took a while before women started getting taken seriously on this account and daring to come forward

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:27:48am

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

I think his moralistic lecturing started about 30 years later, in the 00’s.

But to me, his comedy went downhill as he lost touch with his childhood, or maybe he ran out of things to say? Like a band that puts out brilliant work for a while but then runs out of good songs.

I felt like he had a good run in standup in the 1960s, then kind of lost his way artistically till The Cosby Show, where he found some footing again as part of a team, then lost his way again after that.

I don’t know that I’d even tie his artistic ups and downs to his serial rapist activities. He’s kind of an object lesson that someone can be brilliantly funny and do good works while being a monster in another aspect of his life. Few monsters are simply monsters entirely.

The Cosby Show was moralizing. Wasn’t he seen as everyone’s father figure? He preached on that show and acted like how a proper African American family should act.

You don’t have to tie anything together. He did that with his actions. The comedian is the rapist.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:27:49am

re: #51 Alephnaught

And the place which reacted on Twitter to Trump’s endorsal of the Brexit vote like this: (Keeping the Scottish Doctor theme going)

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(Actually, that’s a more polite accent than most of the tweets were written in. And they missed my favourite one where someone called Trump a “shit-tobogganist”.)

I love him/Broadchurch!

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:27:54am

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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“Party Uber Allies.”

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:28:30am

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

But to me, his comedy went downhill as he lost touch with his childhood, or maybe he ran out of things to say? Like a band that puts out brilliant work for a while but then runs out of good songs.

I remember hearing some rock star basically say you can’t tell good stories after a certain age (I want to say 30) because all the interesting stuff happens to young people. Same thing about becoming too rich/famous, you need that struggle. Same probably holds true for comedy.

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dangerman  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:30:26am

re: #72 wrenchwench

I want to see ‘Bad Lipreading’ do John Dean’s testimony at the Watergate hearings.

remember this?

YouTube

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:30:58am

re: #82 Bass Reeves

He finished his Master’s/PhD in the 70s and made a deliberate turn towards respectability in the 80s. I think that was slightly separate than the drugging women part.

My wife and I noted that his respectability stuff was actually counter to the conclusions in his thesis, but that was a few years before this stuff resurfaced.

Does anyone really know how long he had been doing his crimes? I think it goes back into the 60s.

I believe what has happened is he was such a nice guy that all was ignored until it started to get big attention in the last few years.

I think everyone bought in on Bill Cosby…not the real Bill Cosby. He was that good at the cover.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:31:49am

re: #89 dangerman

remember this?

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or this one?

Arlo Guthrie - Presidential Rag

fuck, I forgot how topical those lyrics still are:

You said that you were lied to
Well that ain’t hard too see
But you must have been fooled again by your friends across the sea
And maybe you were fooled again by your people here at home
Because nobody could talk like you
And know what’s going on
Nobody elected your family
And we didn’t elect your friends
No one voted for your advisers
And nobody wants the men
You’re the one we voted for, so you must take the blame
For handing out authority to men who were insane”

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:32:08am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the attitude of society men towards the women who actually came forward and claimed to have been raped by their dates, as they generally knew they would be seen as sluts who deserved it

It took a while before women started getting taken seriously on this account and daring to come forward

FTFY

Men were in charge of everything. Almost everything.

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Skip Intro  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:32:27am

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:33:56am

re: #92 wrenchwench

FTFY

Men were in charge of everything. Almost everything.

Get ‘em liquored up is as old as the hills.

You are right wrench. Drugs just made it easier and slicker. The goal, the crime, is the same.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:34:18am

re: #92 wrenchwench

FTFY

Men were in charge of everything. Almost everything.

that sums it up well

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:35:02am

re: #89 dangerman

remember this?

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Nope. Doesn’t stop me from enjoying it now, thanks!

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:35:44am

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Fairly sure they voted for most all of W’s nominees who had the same positions. There’s an argument to be made that Senators should vote for an otherwise qualified judicial appointment, even if that nominee doesn’t agree on hot button issues. The idea being that in 15-20 years on the bench, they might only see 2 or 3 cases on that issue. But they’re going to see hundreds on all sorts of mundane issues like whether or not a triable issue of material fact exists in a particular case or whether a rebuttable presumption should apply (and if so was it rebutted).

I’m not entirely sure I agree with that point of view. And it rings hollow coming from Republicans following the Garland Incident. But in “ordinary” times, I could understand the approach.

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:35:44am

re: #51 Alephnaught

The only thing better than Tennant getting all cussy over Trump is Capaldi getting cussy.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:35:53am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

or this one?

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Video

That one I remember. We had the vinyl.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:35:53am
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Charles Johnson  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:37:28am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:37:32am

re: #81 wrenchwench

Not a thing about which to be facetious.

Whose attitude was different?

Not to stick my oar in and move this off point, but that question, “Whose attitude was different?” is something that needs consideration.

When I was growing up, there were a lot of things that we now recognize as nonconsensual, even as rape, that were just ‘not something nice guys do’.

Think how many movies include scenes where a guy proves himself to be somehow a better guy than the average run of men because he had an opportunity to ‘take advantage of’ a woman who was drunk - that’s nice, but the implication is that he’s somehow NOBLE for not doing it, that to have done would have been acceptable, even expected.

There’s a discussion of this in Molly Ringwald’s excellent piece looking at the movies she made in the 1980s in light of the Me Too movement. We look back and cringe at scenes we laughed at a few decades ago.

So, clearly society in general didn’t see things the same then as we do now. But what about individuals? Did women ALWAYS see it this way? Or do women now find themselves looking back and thinking, “I accepted that as just part of dating then, but really, it was NOT OKAY!”?

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dangerman  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:39:01am

re: #89 dangerman

remember this?

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and then this popped up after the 72 democratic convention. these were both on (NY) radio all the time

YouTube

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:39:50am

re: #85 ObserverArt

The Cosby Show was moralizing. Wasn’t he seen as everyone’s father figure? He preached on that show and acted like how a proper African American family should act.

You don’t have to tie anything together. He did that with his actions. The comedian is the rapist.

My view of the Cosby show wasn’t that it was moralizing so much as it was saying “We don’t have to be their stereotype of us”, and presented an example rather than a sermon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:41:41am

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Not to stick my oar in and move this off point, but that question, “Whose attitude was different?” is something that needs consideration.

When I was growing up, there were a lot of things that we now recognize as nonconsensual, even as rape, that were just ‘not something nice guys do’.

I remember that attitude: there were virtuous women that you dated but did not have sex with until marriage, and non-virtuous women that you just fucked and dumped.

That attitude was common well into the 60’s and only started to change then but it was still prevalent and still shapes our thinking about sexual relations to this day

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dangerman  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:43:10am

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Imagine what we’d discover if all Trump’s nominees and appointments were drug-tested.

Imagine what we’d discover if all Trump’s nominees and appointments were -
-background checked
-iq-tested
-polygraphed (yes, i know)

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Charles Johnson  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:43:37am
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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:43:49am

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

Not to stick my oar in and move this off point, but that question, “Whose attitude was different?” is something that needs consideration.

When I was growing up, there were a lot of things that we now recognize as nonconsensual, even as rape, that were just ‘not something nice guys do’.

Think how many movies include scenes where a guy proves himself to be somehow a better guy than the average run of men because he had an opportunity to ‘take advantage of’ a woman who was drunk - that’s nice, but the implication is that he’s somehow NOBLE for not doing it, that to have done would have been acceptable, even expected.

There’s a discussion of this in Molly Ringwald’s excellent piece looking at the movies she made in the 1980s in light of the Me Too movement. We look back and cringe at scenes we laughed at a few decades ago.

So, clearly society in general didn’t see things the same then as we do now. But what about individuals? Did women ALWAYS see it this way? Or do women now find themselves looking back and thinking, “I accepted that as just part of dating then, but really, it was NOT OKAY!”?

Some women always saw things this way. Some did not. That’s OK, we all had to deal with things as they were. We all do that differently. And things change. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. And it all gets reflected on over the years.

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:48:23am

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

A couple of other recent examples: people paying attention to the lyrics of Baby It’s Cold Outside; the “Apu situation” on the Simpsons; prison rape jokes; Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

I’m not sure the best way to deal with a lot of those things. You can make the obvious point of “this isn’t acceptable now” and get into the discussion of whether it should have ever been acceptable, but that leads to the problem of not recognizing that society evolves and that at some point, something we see as no big deal will be looked back on in the future as terrible.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:49:35am

re: #66 Kragar

How are your 750 houses today Sean?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:51:09am

re: #109 KGxvi

A couple of other recent examples: people paying attention to the lyrics of Baby It’s Cold Outside; the “Apu situation” on the Simpsons; prison rape jokes; Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

I’m not sure the best way to deal with a lot of those things. You can make the obvious point of “this isn’t acceptable now” and get into the discussion of whether it should have ever been acceptable, but that leads to the problem of not recognizing that society evolves and that at some point, something we see as no big deal will be looked back on in the future as terrible.

If people ever come to look back and judge my words & actions in 50-75 years, I would like them to judge me by my contemporary standards and not theirs…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:51:33am

re: #110 Sir John Barron

How are your 750 houses today Sean?

Ask Mike Cohen, he was the one he discussed real estate with…

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Belafon  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:54:40am

re: #109 KGxvi

A couple of other recent examples: people paying attention to the lyrics of Baby It’s Cold Outside; the “Apu situation” on the Simpsons; prison rape jokes; Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

I’m not sure the best way to deal with a lot of those things. You can make the obvious point of “this isn’t acceptable now” and get into the discussion of whether it should have ever been acceptable, but that leads to the problem of not recognizing that society evolves and that at some point, something we see as no big deal will be looked back on in the future as terrible.

When Warner Brothers originally released their Loony Toons cartoons on DVD, they left out a bunch of them that we now know are racist. A lot of people cried foul, including people like Whoopi Goldberg. The newer release includes those, with discussions from people like Whoopi about the following content.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:54:45am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Yet Hugh Hewitt praised Trump’s appearance. Bizarre but true.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:55:00am

re: #105 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember that attitude: there were virtuous women that you dated but did not have sex with until marriage, and non-virtuous women that you just fucked and dumped.

That attitude was common well into the 60’s and only started to change then but it was still prevalent and still shapes our thinking about sexual relations to this day

There are those who think that the Sexual Revolution was a really bad deal for women, because it just made women more likely to have sex, from which men would clearly be the beneficiary. There’s some truth in that, but it’s a lot more complicated, I think.

It blurred the line between the ‘virtuous’ and ‘nonvirtuous’ women you speak of, meaning that the ‘virtuous’ ones were more free to explore their own desires. And the ‘nonvirtuous’ ones were less stigmatized.

I think the idea that the Sexual Revolution just made it easier for for guys to get laid has embedded in it the commoditization of sex, the idea that sex is something that women do for men, not something women might actually want to do.

And eventually, the whole thing has moved around to realizing that if sex is something women might want to do, that their participation is entirely their choice, that wanting to or not wanting to is their prerogative and that neither one should be stigmatized or ignored.

I dunno. Am I making any sense here?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:56:10am

re: #102 Blind Frog Belly White

So, clearly society in general didn’t see things the same then as we do now. But what about individuals? Did women ALWAYS see it this way? Or do women now find themselves looking back and thinking, “I accepted that as just part of dating then, but really, it was NOT OKAY!”?

I’ll tell you what *I* accepted back then:
Keeping my mouth shut because it was a fact that I would not be believed and/or whatever happened was completely my fault.

Truth be told, I’m not seeing a whole lot of improvement these days despite the #MeToo campaign.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:56:41am

re: #109 KGxvi

A couple of other recent examples: people paying attention to the lyrics of Baby It’s Cold Outside; the “Apu situation” on the Simpsons; prison rape jokes; Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

I’m not sure the best way to deal with a lot of those things. You can make the obvious point of “this isn’t acceptable now” and get into the discussion of whether it should have ever been acceptable, but that leads to the problem of not recognizing that society evolves and that at some point, something we see as no big deal will be looked back on in the future as terrible.

Society evolves. Individuals evolve. But, unlike the biological evolution, people are responsible for themselves and society. The trick is to prevent the backsliding, and keep things going in the right direction. And acknowledging the past is a necessary part, not for distribution of guilt, but for reconciliation and learning.

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Kragar  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:57:32am
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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:57:55am

re: #114 Patricia Kayden

Yet Hugh Hewitt praised Trump’s appearance. Bizarre but true.

Hugh is all about Team Republican, in other words: he’s a fan. He just wants his team (whether it’s the Browns, Indians, Notre Dame, or the Republican Party) to win. He really is a nice guy, I never had a bad interaction with him in law school, and even my more liberal classmates liked him on a personal level. But he roots for his teams and there’s nothing he won’t spin as good news for them.

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dangerman  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:58:17am

re: #109 KGxvi

A couple of other recent examples: people paying attention to the lyrics of Baby It’s Cold Outside; the “Apu situation” on the Simpsons; prison rape jokes; Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

I’m not sure the best way to deal with a lot of those things. You can make the obvious point of “this isn’t acceptable now” and get into the discussion of whether it should have ever been acceptable, but that leads to the problem of not recognizing that society evolves and that at some point, something we see as no big deal will be looked back on in the future as terrible.

and further, you’d only be dealing with segments of the population - both back then, and now. everybody, everywhere doesnt think the same way.

you wind up with a grid:
for some it was acceptable back then and still should be
for others it wasnt then and isnt now
for still others it was, and now it isnt
and the last - it wasnt then and should be now - you know, the incels

and sadly, this applies to all sorts of issues

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Skip Intro  Apr 26, 2018 • 11:59:53am

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dangerman  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:00:07pm

re: #109 KGxvi

A couple of other recent examples: people paying attention to the lyrics of Baby It’s Cold Outside; the “Apu situation” on the Simpsons; prison rape jokes; Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

I’m not sure the best way to deal with a lot of those things. You can make the obvious point of “this isn’t acceptable now” and get into the discussion of whether it should have ever been acceptable, but that leads to the problem of not recognizing that society evolves and that at some point, something we see as no big deal will be looked back on in the future as terrible.

and ps - that mickey rooney role was cringe worthy even back then. what a bizarre decision to write the part that way

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Skip Intro  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:00:29pm

re: #114 Patricia Kayden

Yet Hugh Hewitt praised Trump’s appearance. Bizarre but true.

Hugh Hewett would praise Trump’s bowl movements.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:02:17pm

on a more positive note: LUNCH!

Swordfish steak baked in parchment with grape tomato, black olive, lemon juice and dillweed.
Roasted green beans and asparagus tossed with olive oil, Herbes d’Provence, grape tomato, sweet onion, and Mediterranean-herbed feta cheese.

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scottslemmons  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:04:01pm

re: #113 Belafon

When Warner Brothers originally released their Loony Toons cartoons on DVD, they left out a bunch of them that we now know are racist. A lot of people cried foul, including people like Whoopi Goldberg. The newer release includes those, with discussions from people like Whoopi about the following content.

I think I remember Warner Bros having a disclaimer similar to the one below at the beginning of their cartoon compilations when I was watching them on videotape sometime in the early ’90s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:05:02pm

re: #123 Skip Intro

Hugh Hewett would praise Trump’s bowl movements.

isn’t that just a euphemism for his morning tweets?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:05:31pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

And eventually, the whole thing has moved around to realizing that if sex is something women might want to do, that their participation is entirely their choice, that wanting to or not wanting to is their prerogative and that neither one should be stigmatized or ignored.

I dunno. Am I making any sense here?

Yes, you are, this is a really deep and nuanced topic, and an emotionally charged one.

I think that the Sexual Revolution is still going on. And we are seeing that although there can be such a thing as “casual sex”, it is often fraught with a lot of consequences and complications.

After all, the whole point of the sex drive is the ultimate consequence: creating a human life.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:05:32pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

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That looks that says “We have made a HUGE mistake.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:07:56pm

re: #113 Belafon

When Warner Brothers originally released their Loony Toons cartoons on DVD, they left out a bunch of them that we now know are racist. A lot of people cried foul, including people like Whoopi Goldberg. The newer release includes those, with discussions from people like Whoopi about the following content.

And Disney has disowned Song of the South

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:08:49pm

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, you are, this is a really deep and nuanced topic, and an emotionally charged one.

I think that the Sexual Revolution is still going on. And we are seeing that although there can be such a thing as “casual sex”, it is often fraught with a lot of consequences and complications.

After all, the whole point of the sex drive is the ultimate consequence: creating a human life.

One of the best aspects of the Sexual Revolution was actually separating reproduction from the sex drive.

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:08:53pm

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And Disney has disowned Song of the South

Just in the US. It’s apparently available outside the US.

Also, it’s the theme of the Splash Mountain rides at Disneyland/Disneyworld.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:09:40pm

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, you are, this is a really deep and nuanced topic, and an emotionally charged one.

I think that the Sexual Revolution is still going on. And we are seeing that although there can be such a thing as “casual sex”, it is often fraught with a lot of consequences and complications.

After all, the whole point of the sex drive is the ultimate consequence: creating a human life.

That’s what the science of evolution says. People defy science in so many ways. We can now separate sex from procreation. That’s what is revolutionary. That is what has made women able to do almost all the things that men do. The war is still being waged.

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mmmirele  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:10:05pm

re: #33 MsJ

I have to say I am surprised. My reading of what went on did not sound good for the prosecution. I am glad, though.

My childhood “dad” broke my fucking heart.

My dad loved Cosby. I’m glad he’s not around to see this.

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Belafon  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:10:18pm

re: #125 scottslemmons

I think I remember Warner Bros having a disclaimer similar to the one below at the beginning of their cartoon compilations when I was watching them on videotape sometime in the early ’90s.

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If you found that, it might be back when they released them on video, so I guess I didn’t remember far enough back. The DVDs do contain this:

google.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:10:44pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the best aspects of the Sexual Revolution was actually separating reproduction from the sex drive.

Rick Santorum would disagree with you on that point…

another thing it did was to start to free women from their role as chattel whose market value was diminished if they engaged in premarital sex

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:11:24pm

This should make things…interesting.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:11:25pm

re: #109 KGxvi

A couple of other recent examples: people paying attention to the lyrics of Baby It’s Cold Outside; the “Apu situation” on the Simpsons; prison rape jokes; Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s.

I’m not sure the best way to deal with a lot of those things. You can make the obvious point of “this isn’t acceptable now” and get into the discussion of whether it should have ever been acceptable, but that leads to the problem of not recognizing that society evolves and that at some point, something we see as no big deal will be looked back on in the future as terrible.

I’m in the camp that these things were always terrible and many if not most of us knew it at the time. The difference is that society as a whole was simply okay with being cruel to minorities and stereotyping them. I grew up with Asian American friends who were traumatized by the Long Duk Dong character in Sixteen Candles and the bullying it cosigned. I also remember thinking that the sex by deception scene in Revenge of the Nerds was rape.

It’s not that people don’t get that these things are terrible in real time, it’s that the creators and too many in the audience thought they were terrible AND transgressive and therefore somehow that translated as funny, when in fact they were just shitty.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:12:21pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

That’s what the science of evolution says. People defy science in so many ways. We can now separate sex from procreation. That’s what is revolutionary. That is what has made women able to do almost all the things that men do. The war is still being waged.

there were ways known to us long before modern science, but they were frowned upon, outlawed or stigmatized because they allowed women to control their bodies, and by extension, to control men…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:12:27pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:12:40pm

re: #130 Blind Frog Belly White

One of the best aspects of the Sexual Revolution was actually separating reproduction from the sex drive.

QFT., or something.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:13:10pm

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Rick Santorum would disagree with you on that point…

another thing it did was to start to free women from their role as chattel whose market value was diminished if they engaged in premarital sex

Him and the incels. They don’t like the modern world because women have the choice not to marry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:13:45pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:14:05pm

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

there were ways known to us long before modern science, but they were frowned upon, outlawed or stigmatized because they allowed women to control their bodies, and by extension, to control men

I don’t get the bolded part.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:14:34pm

re: #93 Skip Intro

“And Trump could live for 200 years! He’s just that healthy.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:15:40pm

stable genius moron:

I’m guessing nobody told him how he won.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:15:42pm

re: #119 KGxvi

Hugh is a lawyer?!!!! Wow. Didn’t know that. Perhaps my estimation of what it takes to be a lawyer is too high.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:15:49pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

I don’t get the bolded part.

women who are not afraid of getting pregnant can use the power of their coochies to drive men to distraction, this is why we cannot let them have birth control!

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:15:49pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:15:57pm

re: #104 Blind Frog Belly White

My view of the Cosby show wasn’t that it was moralizing so much as it was saying “We don’t have to be their stereotype of us”, and presented an example rather than a sermon.

I think you are weighing the word too much in the direction of the word you used: preaching.

It was done more subtly.

Here is definition of moralizing from The Free Dictionary online:

mor*al*ize (môr′ə-līz′, mŏr′-)
v. mor*al*ized, mor*al*iz*ing, mor*al*iz*es
v.intr.
To think about or express moral judgments or reflections.
v. tr.
1. To interpret or explain the moral meaning of.
2. To improve the morals of; reform.

I think #2 hits what I am talking about.

It took me a bit of time to remember this Harvard psychologist who consulted with Cosby of The Cosby Show. Pretty clear what the Cosby show was designed to do with what he says in this video.

Alvin Poussaint: My Involvement with “The Cosby Show”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:16:13pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

I concur. So does Secretary Clinton.

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Belafon  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:17:27pm

re: #131 KGxvi

Just in the US. It’s apparently available outside the US.

Also, it’s the theme of the Splash Mountain rides at Disneyland/Disneyworld.

I went and looked at the snopes page about the movie. James Baskett, who played Uncle Remus, was Disney’s first black actor. He couldn’t attend the showing of the movie, because no one would rent him a room.

They should figure out a way to remake it, getting rid of the “slavery wasn’t that bad” feel. There are a lot of kids that don’t know the Brer Rabbit stories, nor do a lot of them know the Emperor’s New Clothes (which I know is a different group of stories).

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Skip Intro  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:17:28pm

re: #144 Patricia Kayden

“And Trump could live for 200 years! He’s just that healthy.”

The Doc from Central Casting must have some great pills in his bag.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:18:01pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump calls for replacing Electoral College system with popular vote: It would be “much easier to win”.

What the fucking fuckitty fuck? I just can’t even

I lost the ability to laugh at Trump jokes a long time ago, but this is really brain-twisting.

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calochortus  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:18:53pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

stable genius moron:

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I’m guessing nobody told him how he won.

And no one should. We should encourage him to work on getting rid of the electoral college. It will keep him out of trouble and if he gets it done, that’s a bonus.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:18:56pm

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

women who are not afraid of getting pregnant can use the power of their coochies to drive men to distraction, this is why we cannot let them have birth control!

That statement makes me think men are controlled by their hormones. Some of them. The ones who think that way.

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:19:09pm

re: #146 Patricia Kayden

Hugh is a lawyer?!!!! Wow. Didn’t know that. Perhaps my estimation of what it takes to be a lawyer is too high.

He had a couple of general counsel jobs in the Reagan administration. And, at least when I was in law school in the early aughts, was a name partner at a firm that did land rights issues. So, he’s got a solid pedigree. But again, when it comes to politics, you just have to remember that he’s a fan of Team R more than anything else.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:19:53pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

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Lol! I’m dying. They look sick to their sniveling stomachs. Poor dears. If they actually paid any attention, they’d have figured out long ago that Trump is a raging lunatic — just a wealthier version of Alex Jones, to be honest.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:20:53pm

re: #148 lawhawk

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Is she being sarcastic? Can’t really tell.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:21:43pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

I’d say that in modern America, the connotative meaning of moralize is substantially negative.

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calochortus  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:21:56pm

re: #154 calochortus

And no one should. We should encourage him to work on getting rid of the electoral college. It will keep him out of trouble and if he gets it done, that’s a bonus.

And by encourage, I mean Democrats should go “No, no, no! Don’t do that.”

(Speaking of Brer Rabbit.)

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:22:07pm

re: #150 Patricia Kayden

I concur. So does Secretary Clinton.

Interestingly, so did James Madison, but he knew it couldn’t win because of slavery, so we got the three-fifths compromise and the electoral college instead.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:23:07pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

That statement makes me think men are controlled by their hormones. Some of them. The ones who think that way.

I am again being facetious, or rather blithely expressing an attitude that was and still is prevalent: that women cannot be allowed to use their wiles to control menfolk without having to face the consequence of an unwanted pregnancy and the moral stigma attached to it.

It was accepted that men are driven by their testosterone, that was seen to be a good thing, as long as men controlled things.

it is a complicated topic, and I realize that any comment I toss off needs a ton of footnotes and clarification.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:25:24pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

That statement makes me think men are controlled by their hormones. Some of them. The ones who think that way.

That’s the assumption behind telling women not to dress too scantily, because men will become inflamed and should not be expected to not be rapey. “What were you wearing? Did you lead him on? Why did you agree to go to his room?”

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:26:58pm

re: #158 Patricia Kayden

I’m going with sarcasm.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:27:11pm

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What the fucking fuckitty fuck? I just can’t even

I lost the ability to laugh at Trump jokes a long time ago, but this is really brain-twisting.

It’s denial in response to narcissistic injury. He can’t accept that he didn’t win the popular vote and only barely managed to game out an electoral college win with FBI & Russian interference. So he naturally needs to make it seems like he won by the “harder” route and that millions of “illegals” voted against him.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:27:25pm

re: #148 lawhawk

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I think what gets me are all the wingnuts who once defended Cosby because he was their ideal of what a black man “should be” and insisted that all his victims were “gold diggers” who will now insist they “always” knew he was guilty.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:28:04pm

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am again being facetious, or rather blithely expressing an attitude that was and still is prevalent: that women cannot be allowed to use their wiles to control menfolk without having to face the consequence of an unwanted pregnancy and the moral stigma attached to it.

It was accepted that men are driven by their testosterone, that was seen to be a good thing, as long as men controlled things.

it is a complicated topic, and I realize that any comment I toss off needs a ton of footnotes and clarification.

The part I’m having trouble dealing with is that you can no longer find humor in jokes about Trump, but you can be facetious in the area of women’s freedom. Because that’s what we’re typing about.

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dirkdigglerjr  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:28:05pm

re: #161 KGxvi

From my previous research, the whole idea of the Electoral College came about as the Constitutional Convention was winding down. It was already well into summer, and folks wanted to get home. They knew Washington was going to be the president, and they figured the House would always pick the president because the big states would choose their favorite sons. They also figured the new Congress would sort out any problems.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:28:27pm

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

It’s denial against narcissistic injury. He can’t accept that he didn’t win the popular vote and only barely managed to game out an electoral college win with FBI & Russian interference. So he naturally needs to make it seems like he won by the “harder” route and that millions of “illegals” voted against him.

Ayep, to this day he remains absolutely convinced he won the popular vote if you just remove all the “illegal votes.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:29:04pm

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

It’s denial against narcissistic injury. He can’t accept that he didn’t win the popular vote and only barely managed to game out an electoral college win with FBI & Russian interference. So he naturally needs to make it seems like he won by the “harder” route and that millions of “illegals” voted against him.

Funny that Trump has broached something I agree with. I think that the EC should be kept on but kick in if no candidate gains a clear majority of the popular vote.

Otherwise we need a runoff system or a first-past the post. I could deal with the former but not the latter.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:29:16pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

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Charles, they would have to build another wing at the Betty Ford Clinic!

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:29:46pm

Guess what. Cosby avoided justice for decades through a sense of entitlement.

He’s not entitled to any benefit of doubt as a now convicted felon.

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VegasGolfer  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:29:51pm

cbssports.com

did not know this and not surprised.
White QB josh allen is a racist.
the most surprising point of the story is not that he is a racist, but that you should know to scrub your racist tweets before people find them and point them out to show who the person really is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:29:54pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

The part I’m having trouble dealing with is that you can no longer find humor in jokes about Trump, but you can be facetious in the area of women’s freedom. Because that’s what we’re typing about.

I will be more humorless in any further discussion of the topic if you are having trouble with that.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:31:37pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

I think what gets me are all the wingnuts who once defended Cosby because he was their ideal of what a black man “should be” and insisted that all his victims were “gold diggers” who will now insist they “always” knew he was guilty.

Conservatives only liked Cosby because he told young black men to pull up their pants. They only like black people that they can weaponize against other black people.

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:32:08pm

re: #168 dirkdigglerjr

From my previous research, the whole idea of the Electoral College came about as the Constitutional Convention was winding down. It was already well into summer, and folks wanted to get home. They knew Washington was going to be the president, and they figured the House would always pick the president because the big states would choose their favorite sons. They also figured the new Congress would sort out any problems.

They went through a few different ideas. One would have been a more parliamentary system where the president was chosen by the Congress (which, we sort of have as a back up), but then there were concerns about the independence of the branches. One was popular vote, but that ran into the same problem as representation in Congress did (slavery and how to count slaves). And so they sort of just settled on the electoral college as a least worst option - which in a lot of ways is what most of the constitution is.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:32:36pm

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I will be more humorless in any further discussion of the topic if you are having trouble with that.

Just be yourself. I’ll get used to it, or I will scroll on by.

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:33:18pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

Hence their current use of “diamond and silk” and Kanye.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:33:19pm

re: #119 KGxvi

Hugh is all about Team Republican, in other words: he’s a fan. He just wants his team (whether it’s the Browns, Indians, Notre Dame, or the Republican Party) to win. He really is a nice guy, I never had a bad interaction with him in law school, and even my more liberal classmates liked him on a personal level. But he roots for his teams and there’s nothing he won’t spin as good news for them.

Lately his praise in Trump seems to be centered around the fact that Trump is packing courts with deep conservatives and how that is going to be Trump’s lasting legacy.

Ugh.

Yet, we all need to work together and stop all the partisanship.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:33:32pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Just be yourself. I’ll get used to it, or I will scroll on by.

Wasn’t that a Burt Bacharach/Dionne Warwick song?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:34:06pm

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Funny that Trump has broached something I agree with. I think that the EC should be kept on but kick in if no candidate gains a clear majority of the popular vote.

Otherwise we need a runoff system or a first-past the post. I could deal with the former but not the latter.

Trump and Bush would still have won under that criteria. Neither Clinton nor Gore got a clear majority of the popular vote, just clear pluralities.

I’d scrap the EC entirely and either just go with popular vote winner or top two run off.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:34:37pm

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

Wasn’t that a Burt Bacharach/Dionne Warwick song?

Now updated for the more sedentary.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:35:42pm

re: #178 lawhawk

Hence their current use of “diamond and silk” and Kanye.

Yep. Also why they made Michael Steel GOP chairman after Obama was elected.

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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:36:03pm

For those not keeping track of Trump’s part-time job as a wrestling star:

WWE, whose Linda McMahon is in Trump’s cabinet, is being paid by the KSA to put on a giant show in the KSA tomorrow.

Women performers are not allowed and are staying home.

Apparently this is part of a multi-year deal between KSA and WWE.

The amount that the government of KSA is paying WWE is not yet public (though in the next quarterly FTC filings we’ll find out), but rumors:

I believe that total - $100M to $200M - is for the 10 year contract, not just the one show tomorrow. Some are reporting it is for one show, but I think that is wrong.

And supposedly WWE keeps all merchandise sales gross.

Whatever the contract amount per year, this makes the show the most profitable show in WWE history, larger than any of their big annual Wrestlemanias.

It’s mind-boggling-more money than any other wrestling show in history.

Now, my question: Does anyone believe WWE would have gotten this luxury contract if Linda McMahon was not in Trump’s cabinet?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:36:18pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

That statement makes me think men are controlled by their hormones. Some of them. The ones who think that way.

Only the men under 60. Teenage boys are entirely controlled by hormones. That slowly changes as we age.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:36:50pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

Trump and Bush would still have won under that criteria. Neither Clinton nor Gore got a clear majority of the popular vote, just clear pluralities.

I’d scrap the EC entirely and either just go with popular vote winner or top two run off.

I personally would have no problem with runoff elections, but I don’t know if our electoral system could handle it, not to mention our media election reporting system.

I am afraid we would suffer from a collective national meltdown…

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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:37:27pm

All this strikes me of the “gilded age”.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:40:46pm

re: #185 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Only the men under 60. Teenage boys are entirely controlled by hormones. That slowly changes as we age.

The most important part of parenting is getting kids through puberty. It takes a village.

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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:40:50pm

WWE “gave” either $5 or $6 million to Trump’s “foundation” as charity (tax write off for the WWE corporation.)

Is this the payback? What’s the chance that Trump asked the King of SA to reward his friend Linda McMahon???

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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:41:18pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:42:19pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

That statement makes me think men are controlled by their hormones. Some of them. The ones who think that way.

Humans are controlled by their hormones. Period.

It’s science.

What controls it is the brain and what the brain learns, believes and uses.

If a brain is present.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:42:41pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Just be yourself. I’ll get used to it, or I will scroll on by.

Sorry, I should not take the liberty of assuming that you are aware that I am fully in favor of women asserting their sexual freedom and their right to withdraw consent at any point.

That is part of what I meant when I said that the Sexual Revolution is still going on, there are things that we need to address.

I grew up learning that women are to be respected and protected and cannot imagine forcing myself on any woman who is not receptive.

There are a lot of outdated attitudes that still linger in our society and come out in strangely regressive ways whenever women try to speak out for their sexual and personal rights.

And the way that the concept of “consent” is seen by a lot of people scares me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:45:16pm
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makeitstop  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:46:42pm

My browser was lagging bad, and I couldn’t figure out why. Then I noticed that I still had Raw Story open in a tab. Closed that tab and everything is back to normal.

That’s why I rarely click on any of their links. That site is an absolute resource hog.

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:46:45pm

The more we learn about Cohen, Trump, and their relationship, it’s as though Trump was an abusive spouse and Cohen took the abuse because he had no better options.

And people wonder if Cohen’s going to flip? The question should be how quickly and how much Cohen knows beyond the case that we know thus far exists (Daniels NDA) to other real estate business and chicanery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:47:03pm
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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:47:49pm

re: #184 freetoken

Now, my question: Does anyone believe WWE would have gotten this luxury contract if Linda McMahon was not in Trump’s cabinet?

That’s tough to answer. The deal, from the Saudi side, is part of the Crown Prince’s Vision 2030 plan to modernize the country. So it’s possible that this happens either way. Especially since WWE has had shows in the region - there was a show in December in Abu Dhabi that included women competitors.

Perhaps there’s more money in the deal because Linda McMahon is a member of Trump’s cabinet. But that’s a risky gambit for a publicly traded company to take. Keep an eye out for the WWE’s FTC filings next month.

That said, most smarks don’t even seem to know the details of this contract. It was only announced last month and came together very quickly - with some suspicion that it altered the ending of at least one match at Wrestlemania.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:48:15pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:48:39pm

re: #159 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say that in modern America, the connotative meaning of moralize is substantially negative.

That is lazy thinking. It does not change the word’s definitions.

I like words and all their definitions. And I try to never be a lazy thinker. That is what has got this country to this point.

Take “fake” as a word in the context of fake news. Are you prepared to allow the current connotative take on that word to be correct when it is so far from it?

(Cheap example, I know…but it gets to the point. Hello George Orwell)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:48:57pm

re: #195 lawhawk

I am in awe of this description:

“… Trump alternates between rewarding Cohen for his canine loyalty and humiliating him for sport.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:50:24pm

re: #199 ObserverArt

That is lazy thinking. It does not change the word’s definitions.

I like words and all their definitions. And I try to never be a lazy thinker. That is what has got this country to this point.

Take “fake” as a word in the context of fake news. Are you prepared to allow the current connotative take on that word to be correct when it is so far from it?

(Cheap example, I know…but it gets to the point. Hello George Orwell)

“Entitlements”.

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KGxvi  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:51:01pm

re: #189 freetoken

WWE “gave” either $5 or $6 million to Trump’s “foundation” as charity (tax write off for the WWE corporation.)

Is this the payback? What’s the chance that Trump asked the King of SA to reward his friend Linda McMahon???

That was always a screwy thing, especially since Trump didn’t receive any other sort of compensation for his appearances between 2007 and 2009. My guess is that was Trump trying to launder money in plain sight - especially since the Trump Foundation was always loose with its books.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:51:41pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

To expand, words mean what people mean when they use them - connotative meaning - regardless of how the dictionary defines them - denotative meaning.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:52:20pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

I gave my pet rat half of a chocolate chunk granola bar yesterday. Now he goes totally berserk when he sees me, trying to get my attention so he can get some more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:52:54pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

To expand, words mean what people mean when they use them - connotative meaning - regardless of how the dictionary defines them - denotative meaning.

and when I see them, I leave the discussion because all it can do at that point is chase its tail

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:53:24pm

re: #204 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I gave my pet rat half of a chocolate chunk granola bar yesterday. Now he goes totally berserk when he sees me, trying to get my attention so he can get some more.

give him a raisin granola bar, he will calm down…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:53:26pm

re: #204 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I gave my pet rat half of a chocolate chunk granola bar yesterday. Now he goes totally berserk when he sees me, trying to get my attention so he can get some more.

rat version of crack, obviously.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:54:05pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am in awe of this description:

You could substitute any of Trump’s associates in for Cohen and the dynamic would be the same. The man does not have friends, only victims.

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petesh  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:54:30pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

Trump and Bush would still have won under that criteria. Neither Clinton nor Gore got a clear majority of the popular vote, just clear pluralities.

I’d scrap the EC entirely and either just go with popular vote winner or top two run off.

There are various forms of instant-runoff voting that would take care of this.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:55:03pm

re: #198 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Meanwhile, in the USA, Trump Admin announced today the end of temporary protected status (TPS) for Nepal, giving nearly 9,000 Nepalese citizens 12 months to leave the United States.]

I have a friend who is doing his second tour of duty with the Peace Corps in Nepal. He’s planning to be home in June. I don’t think he wants to stay longer. He’s seventy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:55:26pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

rat version of crack, obviously.

They seem to have the same sense of taste as we do, which is probably why they get into our food and create famines.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:55:50pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

rat version of crack, obviously.

I have long suspected that I am part rat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:56:09pm

re: #205 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and when I see them, I leave the discussion because all it can do at that point is chase its tail

What - words?

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Belafon  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:56:57pm

re: #204 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I gave my pet rat half of a chocolate chunk granola bar yesterday. Now he goes totally berserk when he sees me, trying to get my attention so he can get some more.

I’ve seen that TV show. It didn’t end very well for the cat.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:57:12pm

re: #172 lawhawk

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Guess what. Cosby avoided justice for decades through a sense of entitlement.

He’s not entitled to any benefit of doubt as a now convicted felon.

The real Bill Cosby was revealed with that comment to the prosecutor.

Truth out!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:57:58pm

re: #206 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

give him a raisin granola bar, he will calm down…

He’s my sweet little guy. I would never do that to him. Loose raisins are fine, raisins where you expect chocolate are evil.

Most people ruin oatmeal cookies with raisins. Chocolate chip oatmeal cookies are about as good as a cookie can get.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:58:31pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:58:40pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

I have long suspected that I am part rat.

Do you grab food and run away with it to eat in private?

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Belafon  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:58:53pm

re: #209 petesh

There are various forms of instant-runoff voting that would take care of this.

I remember a paper a dozen or so years ago that showed that no form of election setup, not even instant runoff, can properly select peoples priorities in all cases.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:59:32pm

re: #213 Blind Frog Belly White

What - words?

yes, when those connotative terms make their way into a discussion, I see no point in sticking around

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:59:34pm

re: #218 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Do you grab food and run away with it to eat in private?

only when we do not care to share…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 12:59:58pm

re: #216 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’s my sweet little guy. I would never do that to him. Loose raisins are fine, raisins where you expect chocolate are evil.

Most people ruin oatmeal cookies with raisins. Chocolate chip oatmeal cookies are about as good as a cookie can get.

Why the fuck would anyone put chocolate chips in an oatmeal cookie? That’s what raisins are for. That, and rum raisin ice cream.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:00:37pm

re: #218 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Do you grab food and run away with it to eat in private?

Every chance I get. But I carry water with me, since my dehydration episode.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:00:44pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:01:05pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Germans have come up with croissants made of pretzel dough…now make a taco out of that and I would run a high risk of eating myself into a coma

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:01:17pm

re: #173 VegasGolfer

cbssports.com

did not know this and not surprised.
White QB josh allen is a racist.
the most surprising point of the story is not that he is a racist, but that you should know to scrub your racist tweets before people find them and point them out to show who the person really is.

Yeah, I’ve been listening to some sports talk stuff today and that seems to be the take. I heard on guy locally say there should be software that allows you to go through your social media and clean it up.

He used the ‘young and dumb’ excuse too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:02:58pm

re: #223 wrenchwench

Every chance I get. But I carry water with me, since my dehydration episode.

I’ve never had a dehydration episode. More like a dehydration teaser at the start of an episode.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:04:16pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve never had a dehydration episode. More like a dehydration teaser at the start of an episode.

I’m learning to pay attention to those.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:04:34pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:05:31pm

re: #228 wrenchwench

I’m learning to pay attention to those.

When you’re prone to kidney stones, you think about water a lot.

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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:06:16pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:07:09pm

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I will be more humorless in any further discussion of the topic if you are having trouble with that.

I think you should just think about what Wrench said and take it to heart. She makes a good point.

I think you were being a bit whimsical with the past from the past male thinking and maybe using that as a bit of an excuse for the past.

It was never right even if it was common.

And face it, Wrench is a hell of a debater.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:07:37pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:07:44pm

Excellent article about conservative snowflakes

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:07:58pm

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

Why the fuck would anyone put chocolate chips in an oatmeal cookie? That’s what raisins are for. That, and rum raisin ice cream.

Because it’s a million times better than raisins. Don’t knock it until you try it.

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Charmingly Persistent  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:08:07pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

I’m in the camp that these things were always terrible and many if not most of us knew it at the time. The difference is that society as a whole was simply okay with being cruel to minorities and stereotyping them. I grew up with Asian American friends who were traumatized by the Long Duk Dong character in Sixteen Candles and the bullying it cosigned. I also remember thinking that the sex by deception scene in Revenge of the Nerds was rape.

So much this. A few things used to be ok and now aren’t - terms like colored or retarded. But it was never ok to pressure women into sex they didn’t want or make fun of people for their accent or refuse to let certain groups eat at your restaurant or beat up gay people. And I think we have a pretty good idea of what we are doing now that will be looked on with horror by future generations (again absent changes in terminology or custom).

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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:08:39pm

re: #235 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

For my tastes, chocolate in oatmeal cookies is not so pleasant.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:09:25pm

re: #232 ObserverArt

I think you should just think about what Wrench said and take it to heart. She makes a good point.

I think you were being a bit whimsical with the past from the past male thinking and maybe using that as a bit of an excuse for the past.

It was never right even if it was common.

And face it, Wrench is a hell of a debater.

Compliments will get you nowhere!

But you might get an upding.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:09:44pm

re: #232 ObserverArt

I think you should just think about what Wrench said and take it to heart. She makes a good point.

I think you were being a bit whimsical with the past from the past male thinking and maybe using that as a bit of an excuse for the past.

It was never right even if it was common.

And face it, Wrench is a hell of a debater.

I did, read #192

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:09:45pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

The most important part of parenting is getting kids through puberty. It takes a village.

Or nuns!

I can attest to the nuns.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:10:18pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

only when we do not care to share…

Rats never care to share.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:11:08pm

re: #240 ObserverArt

Or nuns!

I can attest to the nuns.

I miss Decatur Deb.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:11:10pm

re: #235 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Because it’s a million times better than raisins. Don’t knock it until you try it.

You assume too much. I have tried them. They were an abomination. Jesus wept.

When I eat an oatmeal cookie, risking the calamitous flatulence oats cause me, I want fucking RAISINS!!!! the way the god I don’t believe in intended!!!!

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dirkdigglerjr  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:11:15pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

That looks like the residue from one of the Alien face huggers.

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Charmingly Persistent  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:11:16pm

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I grew up learning that women are to be respected and protected and cannot imagine forcing myself on any woman who is not receptive.

So you now know that this is sexist, right? Women get to decide what they do because they are fullblown people, not because they are to be protected.

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Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:12:23pm

How about them Fox & Friends?!
Lol.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:12:27pm

re: #244 dirkdigglerjr

That looks like the residue from one of the Alien face huggers.

Like this?

Kill me….
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Charmingly Persistent  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:13:14pm

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I did, read #192

That still came off as dismissive to me. You basically are sorry she was offended but it was because she was wrong about what you meant.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:13:19pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

You assume too much. I have tried them. They were an abomination. Jesus wept.

When I eat an oatmeal cookie, risking the calamitous flatulence oats cause me, I want fucking RAISINS!!!! the way the god I don’t believe in intended!!!!

re: #237 freetoken

For my tastes, chocolate in oatmeal cookies is not so pleasant.

Some people are devoid of rat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:13:33pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:13:45pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

You assume too much. I have tried them. They were an abomination. Jesus wept.

When I eat an oatmeal cookie, risking the calamitous flatulence oats cause me, I want fucking RAISINS!!!! the way the god I don’t believe in intended!!!!

I assumed you were inexperienced, rather than deeply wrong. A raisin in a cookie is like pineapple on pizza.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:13:56pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

Imagine how you’d feel if someone put oatmeal in your chocolate chip cookie.

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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:14:09pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:14:43pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

To expand, words mean what people mean when they use them - connotative meaning - regardless of how the dictionary defines them - denotative meaning.

And, how did I use the word? I’m a people.

; )

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:14:46pm

re: #251 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I assumed you were inexperienced, rather than deeply wrong. A raisin in a cookie is like pineapple on pizza.

The hell you say! Linking me to those foul heretics!

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Stanley Sea  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:14:58pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Look at Scrappy’s ears!

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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:15:27pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:15:40pm

re: #254 ObserverArt

And, how did I use the word? I’m a people.

; )

Yes, but you are not ALL people.

Though I assume you are all people, that is, not partly anything else.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:16:03pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

The hell you say! Linking me to those foul heretics!

If you don’t want to be linked to them, don’t put fruit where it does not belong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:16:11pm

re: #245 Charmingly Persistent

So you now know that this is sexist, right? Women get to decide what they do because they are fullblown people, not because they are to be protected.

Then “protected” is perhaps not the best term if it implies a certain superior position. In any case, they are not to be harassed or molested in any way. And please note from the rest of my comment that I am fully in favor of women asserting their personal and sexual rights.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:16:36pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:16:41pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

Some people are devoid of rat.

Not to hear Mrs. FBW tell it.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:16:43pm

re: #253 freetoken

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:17:30pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

Look at Scrappy’s ears!

again with the stereotyping of bodega cats…

:D

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:17:35pm

re: #259 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

If you don’t want to be linked to them, don’t put fruit where it does not belong.

Hey, at least I don’t put prunes in stew, like Russians do.

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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:18:20pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:18:35pm

re: #248 Charmingly Persistent

That still came off as dismissive to me. You basically are sorry she was offended but it was because she was wrong about what you meant.

I was trying to apologize for taking liberties in assuming that she knew where I stood without having clarified my position first.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:19:36pm

re: #257 gocart mozart

The stuff really works to make a person temporarily more capable. I would not want to be addicted to it, since you’d probably become a zombie when not on it. It would explain the way Trump fades at times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:20:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:21:09pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s cute.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:21:15pm

re: #268 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Embedded content]

The stuff really works to make a person temporarily more capable. I would not want to be addicted to it, since you’d probably become a zombie when not on it. It would explain the way Trump fades at times.

Christ, you mean that the still-abysmally-awful Best-Of-Trump is only possible with chemical intervention? That’s depressing.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:21:19pm

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I did, read #192

I had not worked my way down the thread before I made my post. Sorry, I am one that tries to read the thread as I go…so I often get behind.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:21:35pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s different! //

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:22:17pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

I miss Decatur Deb.

Me too. As with many others. I find it kind of odd that Deb just dropped out. I hope he comes back around.

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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:22:32pm
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Belafon  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:22:44pm

When we’re almost about to control the world, someone’s going to bring in a Hawaiian pizza and chocolate chip oatmeal cookies, and we’ll tear each other apart.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:22:56pm

uhhhhh

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Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:23:20pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

uhhhhh

[Embedded content]

WTF.

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wrenchwench  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:23:23pm

I gotta go test ride a bike. Then go to the dentist.

Later, lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:23:44pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

uhhhhh

[Embedded content]

Conroy eh? Maybe a distant cousin of mine. Screw Ryan.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:23:54pm

re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ, you mean that the still-abysmally-awful Best-Of-Trump is only possible with chemical intervention? That’s depressing.

I’m afraid so. I haven’t had any in a long time, but the stuff will make a dullard passable as a smart person, and a smart person very-smart. Trump’s probably addicted to the stuff, which would explain how he mentally collapses at times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:24:00pm

re: #275 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

It doesn’t matter…Claude is most likely pocketing a large part of the donations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:25:15pm
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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:26:17pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:26:30pm

re: #258 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, but you are not ALL people.

Though I assume you are all people, that is, not partly anything else.

You are a determined cuss aren’t you?!

I understand what you mean. But really I find the simplification of words tragic.

It’s like buying the Crayola 88 color box of crayons and they are all grey.

All of the old authors and poets of the classics are spinning in their graves.

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gwangung  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:27:38pm

re: #284 lawhawk

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I mean, seriously, I could puke a better argument that that….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:28:39pm
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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:29:06pm

re: #276 Belafon

When we’re almost about to control the world, someone’s going to bring in a Hawaiian pizza and chocolate chip oatmeal cookies, and we’ll tear each other apart.

Well, they are different levels of sins.

Chocolate chips in oatmeal cookies are mere venial sins.

Pineapple on pizza, though… well, that’s one of the unforgivable sins.

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:29:18pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:29:56pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

uhhhhh

[Embedded content]

Pure asshole move by a supreme asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:30:04pm

*blink*

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:32:13pm

re: #288 freetoken

Well, they are different levels of sins.

Chocolate chips in oatmeal cookies are mere venial sins.

Pineapple on pizza, though… well, that’s one of the unforgivable sins.

I feel like if you were freetokin’ rather than freetoken, you’d have more appreciation for chocolate oatmeal cookies.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:32:29pm

re: #274 ObserverArt

Me too. As with many others. I find it kind of odd that Deb just dropped out. I hope he comes back around.

anybody know what happened?

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Bubblehead II  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:33:27pm

re: #194 makeitstop

My browser was lagging bad, and I couldn’t figure out why. Then I noticed that I still had Raw Story open in a tab. Closed that tab and everything is back to normal.

That’s why I rarely click on any of their links. That site is an absolute resource hog.

Yep. They have at least 2 auto-run videos loading at the same time.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:34:44pm

re: #293 Sir John Barron

anybody know what happened?

I don’t think there is a known reason. He just put up an image and a short message as his last post and that was it.

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VegasGolfer  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:34:49pm

nypost.com

Trump snowflake loses court battle.
“A Manhattan judge ruled Wednesday that there’s nothing “outrageous” about throwing the president’s supporters out of bars — because the law doesn’t protect against political discrimination.

Philadelphia accountant Greg Piatek, 31, was bounced from a West Village watering hole in January 2017, just after Trump took the oath of office, for wearing a “Make America Great Again” cap, according to his lawsuit over the incident.

“Anyone who supports Trump — or believes in what you believe — is not welcome here! And you need to leave right now because we won’t serve you!” Piatek claims the staff of The Happiest Hour on West 10th Street told him after he and his pals complained about the rude service they were getting from a bartender.”

The most offensive to me was the part where this moron wore his maga hat to the 9/11 memorial to “honor” the victims. As if the victims would all be trump supporters.
Hope they make him pay the court costs for the trial.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:35:32pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

The thing is, it actually all makes sense. If you don’t think government can be a force for good in people’s lives, that it’s something you have to fight against, it makes perfect sense to use it to make yourself rich.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:37:28pm

and as if she even has the first clue as to who he was…

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Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:37:38pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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Weapons grade brilliance!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:39:19pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

that….doesn’t sound half bad actually.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:40:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:41:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:45:09pm

how on earth did somebody in Tuscany make this recording of my cat this morning????

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:45:28pm

re: #285 ObserverArt

You are a determined cuss aren’t you?!

I understand what you mean. But really I find the simplification of words tragic.

It’s like buying the Crayola 88 color box of crayons and they are all grey.

All of the old authors and poets of the classics are spinning in their graves.

Dude - I’m off work for a couple days. Determined to do nothing of consequence. What could be less consequential than arguing trivial points with people with whom you’re in nearly complete agreement?

But really, I feel like insisting on denotative meaning without accounting for connotative meaning is simplification of words. Language is a living thing, it changes as people use it to express their ideas and as those ideas run into other ideas.

Sometimes, it can drive you batty, like when people get angry about the word ‘Entitlements’ being applied to Medicare and Social Security. But that’s now language is.

“Moralizing”, in the minds of most people, means the kind of hypocritical, holier-than-thou preaching that characterized Cosby’s “Pull Up Your Pants” speeches. OTOH, The Cosby Show presented a black family that was affluent, middle class, intact, and yet not simply a white family in blackface. Exemplifying, not moralizing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:46:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:47:09pm

meanwhile in Kentucky:

lots of “economic anxiety” in lily-white coal country…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:48:37pm

re: #266 freetoken

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lawhawk  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:49:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:50:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:51:40pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m waiting for him to confess everything on F&F.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:52:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:53:28pm
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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:53:28pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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…I’m sorry, what was the question?

//

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:54:48pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think this Charlie Rose obstinance goes to some of the earlier discussion around here today about men and women and sexual pressure, etc.

No matter what we are taught, or learn, some people are just going to do what they want and then they will later makes excuses for it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:54:50pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

It may seem like an inconvenience or an invasion of privacy to many women, but staring at boobs creates a positive mindset in men.

The same effect occurs when they look at cute animals.

Furries will outlive us all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:55:58pm
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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:56:22pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s here that I will point out that the owner of the NYPost also owns Page3, a pioneer in bringing boobs to the masses of British tabloid readers.

But don’t dare bring that up to the religious right con-artists being employed by Fox News.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:57:20pm

re: #308 lawhawk

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It’s a testament to the work of the GOP in the years since Watergate and in particular during Monicagate that impeachment is now viewed as a political tool dependent on party loyalty than a means of ensuring that the highest elected office in the country can be held accountable for violating the law.

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freetoken  Apr 26, 2018 • 1:59:16pm

re: #307 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Thx.

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William Lewis  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:01:19pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

uhhhhh

[Embedded content]

No surprise there. Can’t let house members be reminded of what Christ actually teaches. They might accidentally do the right thing rather than what their billionaire bosses tell them to do.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:04:04pm

Last one was rammed by a Dodge Dart. A Dodge Demon would really have lit up the fundies but they are kind of rare these days.

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ObserverArt  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:08:38pm

re: #304 Blind Frog Belly White

Dude - I’m off work for a couple days. Determined to do nothing of consequence. What could be less consequential than arguing trivial points with people with whom you’re in nearly complete agreement?

But really, I feel like insisting on denotative meaning without accounting for connotative meaning is simplification of words. Language is a living thing, it changes as people use it to express their ideas and as those ideas run into other ideas.

Sometimes, it can drive you batty, like when people get angry about the word ‘Entitlements’ being applied to Medicare and Social Security. But that’s now language is.

“Moralizing”, in the minds of most people, means the kind of hypocritical, holier-than-thou preaching that characterized Cosby’s “Pull Up Your Pants” speeches. OTOH, The Cosby Show presented a black family that was affluent, middle class, intact, and yet not simply a white family in blackface. Exemplifying, not moralizing.

I know you know what I mean. We are not out speaking to most people. This is an intelligent board with good solid discussion.

You are not wrong, but that doesn’t make it right. (Hows that for word usage?)

I hope you don’t think I am wrong, because that is the box of grey crayons.

How about I go to the root of the word I was using. That would be moral.

And the definition of that (should you accept) is: concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

Is that not exactly what The Cosby Show was exemplifying and what it wanted to achieve? Were not Cosby and Poussaint teaching good behavior and character?

And with that…I am done for the evening. I have some woodwork to strip the last bits of paint off of…then watch the Cleveland Browns select in the NFL draft.

Good discussion. Well, I hope you see it that way.

And I will never give up my full 88 colors! Or, my definitions. They are all still in the dictionaries even if people don’t use dictionaries anymore?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:08:51pm

oh, ok…next question…

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:09:32pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I really don’t know why they’re acting surprised. He’s not saying anything that is new or different, he’s every bit as crazy as he’s ever been. They might feel uncomfortable hearing it said out loud, but his fans are lapping it up and asking for seconds.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:11:02pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, ok…next question…

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“And I never questioned why it was there, the need for it, the cost of it, or who approved it since I totally know I didn’t do that. I’m just so busy cornholing our nation’s environmental laws that I can’t be bothered with the little stuff.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:14:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:15:02pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:15:46pm

re: #281 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m afraid so. I haven’t had any in a long time, but the stuff will make a dullard passable as a smart person, and a smart person very-smart. Trump’s probably addicted to the stuff, which would explain how he mentally collapses at times.

You’d think he’d lose weight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:15:59pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:18:17pm

re: #328 Stanley Sea

You’d think he’d lose weight.

Not with his diet.

That *might* be enough to hold him at neutral. Possibly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:20:55pm
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MsJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:23:21pm

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

how on earth did somebody in Tuscany make this recording of my cat this morning????

[Embedded content]

I’d have gone out to the fish monger and brought him home a tuna. And a salmon. And a trout. And a prime rib roast.

That face. SWOOOOOOOON!!!!!

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:23:25pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

With friends like these…

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gwangung  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:23:39pm

re: #315 Blind Frog Belly White

It may seem like an inconvenience or an invasion of privacy to many women, but staring at boobs creates a positive mindset in men.

Um, isn’t the logical response to get someone who would LIKE you staring at their boobs?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:27:00pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Delusions of grandeur.

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jeffreyw  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:27:44pm

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

Why the fuck would anyone put chocolate chips in an oatmeal cookie? That’s what raisins are for. That, and rum raisin ice cream.

You are dead to me.

Imgur


Chocolate chip raisin coconut peanut butter oatmeal cookies are da bomb.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:28:36pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, ok…next question…

[Embedded content]

Yes, because employees would randomly decide to put something that specific in the boss’s office. Or did it go like this:

Pruitt: I’d really, really, really hate it if someone installed a super cool phone booth in my office. Now…I’m going to be gone for a few days. I’m going to leave the door open. Absolutely DO NOT use my absence as the opportunity to install a really cool phone booth in my office.

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Targetpractice  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:30:38pm

That has really gotta sting: You spend months boasting you’re gonna be the next Chief of Staff, and instead you get left behind while Javanka (who hate your guts) get high-level jobs and CoS goes to a party lackey.

339
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:33:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:35:49pm
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darthstar  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:36:31pm
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CarolJ  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:37:09pm

re: #53 MsJ

And where there’s an active independence movement going on? Way to strengthen ties with England….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:37:10pm

re: #341 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Hmmmm!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:38:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:41:11pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Cheers Harry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:41:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:43:11pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

His party has control of the Senate. So no Chris.

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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:43:49pm
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Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:44:08pm

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Hacks gotta hack.

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Chad Thundercock  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:52:16pm

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Kentucky:

heraldleader✔
Pike County’s treasurer failed to deposit $1 million in checks for months …

Father Ted: ‘That money was just resting in my account …’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:55:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:56:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 2:59:16pm
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Varek Raith  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:01:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:05:15pm

re: #354 Varek Raith

Haha.

[Embedded content]

That’s some good satire.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:05:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:06:42pm

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

You don’t say!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:07:39pm

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

In this case, it’s at least believable. Look at Trump…..I’d reckon he weighs in at well over 250 so saying he’s at 289 is probably pretty damn close to the truth.

Yeah, and probably serious hypertension as well. Lack of exercise, poor diet, etc.

It’s not lack of exercise. It’s saving energy! //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:09:18pm

re: #358 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s not lack of exercise. It’s saving dragon energy! //

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gocart mozart  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:09:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:09:51pm

Basically Trump got elected because too many of my fellow white men are whiny little shits who think they’re owed power for being white males.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:10:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:11:09pm

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:13:06pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Yeah the foxes in the hen house problem will be solved by the foxes!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:13:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:14:10pm

I’ve never been ashamed to be a white man but I’ve never ever thought something was owed to be for being a white man.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:15:48pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

stable genius moron:

[Embedded content]

I’m guessing nobody told him how he won.

He still thinks millions voted illegally.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:16:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:17:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:19:15pm

re: #369 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

No one is attacking Kanye. We’re laughing at him. And it’s nice you think a black guy can have an opinion after he said something nice about Trump but don’t he dare call out police brutality.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:21:20pm

re: #336 jeffreyw

You are dead to me.

[Embedded content]

Chocolate chip raisin coconut peanut butter oatmeal cookies are da bomb.

Oh Jesus. Coconut?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:30:58pm

re: #371 Barefoot Grin

Oh Jesus. Coconut?

it’s always something…

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Bubblehead II  Apr 26, 2018 • 3:41:51pm

Calling it a night. Good wishes to all, To all a good night.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 26, 2018 • 4:10:52pm

re: #322 ObserverArt

I know you know what I mean. We are not out speaking to most people. This is an intelligent board with good solid discussion.

You are not wrong, but that doesn’t make it right. (Hows that for word usage?)

I hope you don’t think I am wrong, because that is the box of grey crayons.

How about I go to the root of the word I was using. That would be moral.

And the definition of that (should you accept) is: concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

Is that not exactly what The Cosby Show was exemplifying and what it wanted to achieve? Were not Cosby and Poussaint teaching good behavior and character?

And with that…I am done for the evening. I have some woodwork to strip the last bits of paint off of…then watch the Cleveland Browns select in the NFL draft.

Good discussion. Well, I hope you see it that way.

And I will never give up my full 88 colors! Or, my definitions. They are all still in the dictionaries even if people don’t use dictionaries anymore?

Of course it’s a good discussion. And in the end, we’re arguing about a trivial point within a larger agreement.

Coincidentally, i took a break as you were typing this, to go to the bench and take down the newly-received Hamilton 992b movement I was describing the other day. It’s one of Hamilton’s last two pocket watch movements. The quality is amazing. It’s a pleasure to work on.

Mind you, I might change my mind if the damn thing gives me any problems….

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jeffreyw  Apr 26, 2018 • 4:11:39pm

re: #371 Barefoot Grin

Oh Jesus. Coconut?

Yeah, it kinda ties the cookie together, ya know?


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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ...
Cheechako
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A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...
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Yesterday
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