The Russia Investigation Heats Up Again: Lawyer Who Promised Dirt on Clinton Turns Out to Be a Kremlin Informant

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Every time I start questioning whether there’s really anything to the Russia investigation, something like this comes out: Lawyer Who Was Said to Have Dirt on Clinton Had Closer Ties to Kremlin Than She Let On.

MOSCOW — The Russian lawyer who met with Trump campaign officials in Trump Tower in June 2016 on the premise that she would deliver damaging information about Hillary Clinton has long insisted she is a private attorney, not a Kremlin operative trying to meddle in the presidential election.

But newly released emails show that in at least one instance two years earlier, the lawyer, Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, worked hand in glove with Russia’s chief legal office to thwart a Justice Department civil fraud case against a well-connected Russian firm.

Ms. Veselnitskaya also appears to have recanted her earlier denials of Russian government ties. During an interview to be broadcast Friday by NBC News, she acknowledged that she was not merely a private lawyer but a source of information for a top Kremlin official, Yuri Y. Chaika, the prosecutor general.

“I am a lawyer, and I am an informant,” she said. “Since 2013, I have been actively communicating with the office of the Russian prosecutor general.”

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:06:17am

Well, you just can’t trust anybody these days.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:06:34am

At this point they need to change their tack and explain that Russian are the true American patriots and that anyone who opposes them is a traitor

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:06:42am

“There is no cannibalism in the British navy, absolutely none, and when I say none, I mean there is a certain amount.”

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wrenchwench  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:07:29am

I think my surprised face is in makeitstop’s truck. He’s keeping a stash of them.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:07:55am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:08:19am

1. There was no collusion
2. There’s nothing wrong with collusion, not illegal
3. There was no collusion except the Democrats who colluded
4. There was no collusion it was patriotism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:09:55am

OT already, but this is being advertised on this very site: a phone wallet

so that you can keep your cash and credit cards “safe” inside your phone case

so that if you lose it or get it stolen YOU HAVE LOST FUCKING EVERYTHING

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Belafon  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:10:13am

re: #5 Barefoot Grin

It’s the entire GOP. If two Senators, especially those who claim to be pro-choice, would, it would stop.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:10:22am

re: #4 wrenchwench

I think my surprised face is in makeitstop’s truck. He’s keeping a stash of them.

I’m setting an eBay shop for surprise faces.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:10:24am
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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:10:34am

re: #4 wrenchwench

I think my surprised face is in makeitstop’s truck. He’s keeping a stash of them.

I’m saving them up for when another Republican makes a meaningful move to oust Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:11:34am

re: #8 Belafon

It’s the entire GOP. If two Senators, especially those who claim to be pro-choice, would, it would stop.

Comrades Murkowski and Collins will never stray from the Communist Republican Party line.

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Belafon  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:12:30am

re: #7 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

OT already, but this is being advertised on this very site: a phone wallet

so that you can keep your cash and credit cards “safe” inside your phone case

so that if you lose it or get it stolen YOU HAVE LOST FUCKING EVERYTHING

My wife uses a soft-cover phone case that has pockets. Since she keeps her phone and wallet in her purse, if she lost one, she’d lose it all anyway.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:14:05am

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump nominated this Angela Merkel person for a cabinet post or judicial seat?

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Belafon  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:14:13am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:15:43am

re: #15 Belafon

I’ve been clean and sober from Twitter for three weeks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:16:20am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:17:08am

re: #16 Sir John Barron

I’ve been clean and sober from Twitter for three weeks.

I only hear about it from what youse guys post.

I guess it does play a major role in our political discourse and spread of (mis)information but I will remain content to read about it from outside

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:18:23am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

He was grooming Macron like a bonobo, but can’t even give Merkel a Bush back rub? Sad!

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dangerman  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:19:11am

re: #16 Sir John Barron

I’ve been clean and sober from Twitter for three weeks.

here’s your chip:

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:19:25am
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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:20:03am

нет сговора!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:20:06am

of course…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:21:09am
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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:21:19am

Got busy reading the last thread after stepping away and ended up CLing a post. Repeat from downstairs.

Did I read a post earlier that implied it has been proven her blog was not hacked and that the comments in contention were homophobic?

Sounds like she is a bit of a jam. I like her, but I wondered a bit when the “I was hacked” excuse came out. That is so well worn now that it falls flat as an excuse almost from the get-go.

So, I just did a search and there was this: Vox - The Joy Reid controversy, from homophobic blog posts to a hacking claim, explained

The posts, for example, suggested — without much, if any, evidence — that Tom Cruise, Karl Rove, and Chief Justice John Robert’s son are gay. Other posts made derogatory remarks about gay people, claiming that “most straight people cringe at the sight of two men kissing” and that “adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types.” One post acknowledged, “Does that make me homophobic? Probably.”

These are different from previous blog posts that Reid apologized for in December 2017. In those past posts, Reid wrote that then-Florida Gov. Charlie Crist was gay, nicknamed him “Miss Charlie,” and claimed that he only married a woman for political purposes. Reid said her comments were “insensitive, tone-deaf and dumb. There is no excusing it — not based on the taste-skewing mores of talk radio or the then-blogosphere, and not based on my intentions.” Crist, who’s now a member of Congress, accepted her apology.

Instead of apologizing for the blog posts that were recently resurfaced, though, Reid has denied that she posted them altogether. In a statement to Mediate, Reid said that the blog posts were the work of hackers and “part of an effort to taint my character with false information by distorting a blog that ended a decade ago.”

There’s reason to be skeptical of the claim. For one, the blog posts were archived by internet crawlers and, in those archives, really dated to the mid-to-late 2000s — a time when Reid wasn’t an MSNBC host or even a widely known national figure, raising questions about why someone would bother hacking her. Some of Reid’s claims have also fallen apart under scrutiny. This has helped elevate the controversy further, as even some of Reid’s supporters have questioned why she didn’t just apologize instead of making assertions that many find literally unbelievable

As with many things in modern American life, this has also been highly politicized. Reid has become a major target of the left due to her criticisms of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) during his bid against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016, as well as conservatives due to her criticisms of President Donald Trump. Many of these critics have leveraged the current situation to try to end Reid’s career, while those who agree with her political positions have become some of her biggest defenders.

To understand how we got to this point, though, let’s start with the original blog posts..

…more ugh to the story at link…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:22:07am

re: #21 Kragar

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:22:14am
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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:22:47am

re: #4 wrenchwench

I think my surprised face is in makeitstop’s truck. He’s keeping a stash of them.

Mine is stuck! Been that way since around June of 2015.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:22:50am
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KGxvi  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:23:58am

re: #21 Kragar

Can we just talk about that chyron? State unemployment is at 4.3%, which is a whole 0.2% above the national average. So not sure how that is crippling us.

As for homelessness… yeah, that’s an issue, but it has a lot to do with a lack of affordable housing. And nice winter weather probably doesn’t hurt either.

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Belafon  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:24:06am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:25:02am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anyone who’s paid attention to Greenwald for any length of time knows he’s got a thing for Wikileaks. That’s where his bread is buttered.

He’s not going to cross ‘em.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:25:38am

jeebus

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KGxvi  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:26:03am
The Obama administration won nearly all complaints against China that it took to the WTO.

yeah, well then why does China still exist? Checkmate libtard, checkfuckingmate

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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:27:19am

re: #30 KGxvi

Homelessness is not new to California. Because of the ideal climate people have moved here since the middle of the 19th century. There used to be tent camps of migrants. Then in the 1920’s and ‘30’s the camps were cheap trailers on wheels. Lots of migrants. Always.

Now there are people living on the streets, but even here in San Diego county, where one can conceivably live fine without any heating or cooling and thus live without a shelter, the homeless in the region around me don’t seem more prevalent than they were 10 years ago. And I walk most places, so unlike people riding in cars I can see what’s going on around me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:27:23am

re: #30 KGxvi

Can we just talk about that chyron? State unemployment is at 4.3%, which is a whole 0.2% above the national average. So not sure how that is crippling us.

As for homelessness… yeah, that’s an issue, but it has a lot to do with a lack of affordable housing. And nice winter weather probably doesn’t hurt either.

It also carries the caption “Fabio model” which tells us a lot on what it is based on…

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:27:56am
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ipsos  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:28:25am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

I like Joy. I like her a lot. But I also know a lot about the Wayback Machine and agree with the Vox analysis that the posts are real and weren’t hacked.

Did Joy’s views evolve between then and now? Lordy, I hope so. And if that’s the case, she’s in good company (see, “Johnson, Charles”) and should be praised for that.

But if she’s going to keep playing the “I was hacked!” card instead of acknowledging that she had shitty takes back then and knows better now… well, it makes it harder to keep supporting her, doesn’t it?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:29:15am

re: #8 Belafon

It’s the entire GOP. If two Senators, especially those who claim to be pro-choice, would, it would stop.

Why would any GOP Senators stop their President from filling the judiciary with Conservatives? This serves their purpose very nicely.

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KGxvi  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:30:37am

re: #35 freetoken

Homelessness is not new to California. Because of the ideal climate people have moved here since the middle of the 19th century. There used to be tent camps of migrants. Then in the 1920’s and ‘30’s the camps were cheap trailers on wheels. Lots of migrants. Always.

Now there are people living on the streets, but even here in San Diego county, where one can conceivably live fine without any heating or cooling and thus live without a shelter, the homeless in the region around me don’t seem more prevalent than they were 10 years ago. And I walk most places, so unlike people riding in cars I can see what’s going on around me.

It seems higher in LA and Orange County than it has been in the past. And what little research I was recently able to do suggests that it has gone up. But other than “lack of affordable housing” and obviously ideal weather conditions, I’m not sure what’s driving it. Or what the answer is.

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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:30:57am

re: #38 ipsos

When people change their views on something, why not be up front with it? Charles did that and it’s working for him because frankly it’s a lot more interesting to change and talk about it than to avoid an issue.

If Joy really was doing a homophobic gig way back when, it’s easy enough to own up to it. Even Obama “evolved” on gay rights.

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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:32:56am

re: #40 KGxvi

It seems higher in LA and Orange County than it has been in the past. And what little research I was recently able to do suggests that it has gone up. But other than “lack of affordable housing” and obviously ideal weather conditions, I’m not sure what’s driving it. Or what the answer is.

I wonder how many poor people have migrated here from other states because they knew they had no hope in thier old state?

Another possible cause - our mental health provisions have not kept up with the population. One of the more damnable things about being parsimonious with health care is that mental health is often at the bottom of the pecking order.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:34:30am
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ipsos  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:35:40am

re: #41 freetoken

When people change their views on something, why not be up front with it? Charles did that and it’s working for him because frankly it’s a lot more interesting to change and talk about it than to avoid an issue.

If Joy really was doing a homophobic gig way back when, it’s easy enough to own up to it. Even Obama “evolved” on gay rights.

Exactly.

If that was the case - and it appears it was - own it, demonstrate you’ve changed, and forgiveness awaits.

But a stupid lie about “I was hacked” isn’t fooling anybody, and will just make her look terrible in the long run. And that’s a shame, because we really needed her voice and losing it will suck.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:36:54am

A day at the park…….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:38:34am

re: #45 Dave In Austin

A day at the park…….

I had to magnify it to see the books: I could make out “Socialism” and “Justice Warrior”

obviously people who do not know how to feed themselves…

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:38:43am

OT I just got my Instant Pot Mini. It looks like a pressure cooker which is something I am used to. I have looked over the user manual. It seems simple enough. When my mom used a pressure cooker it was to cook corn on the cob. Should I try something simpler or just dive in?

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:40:27am

re: #41 freetoken

When people change their views on something, why not be up front with it? Charles did that and it’s working for him because frankly it’s a lot more interesting to change and talk about it than to avoid an issue.

If Joy really was doing a homophobic gig way back when, it’s easy enough to own up to it. Even Obama “evolved” on gay rights.

I was going to say something very similar in my post with the Vox article link. I think she should have done anything other than the “I was hacked” which anymore elicits eye rolls.

In a way I think she is too smart to use that.

Rachel Maddow is going to figure into this big time. She could be the one at MSNBC to keep Joy there. Or, not. It’s sad. Joy is a firebrand that is often missing these days on the left side.

Also, I did not realize that some are contending it is far-left Bernie supporters that are really after her.

What a mess.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:41:34am

re: #38 ipsos

I like Joy. I like her a lot. But I also know a lot about the Wayback Machine and agree with the Vox analysis that the posts are real and weren’t hacked.

Did Joy’s views evolve between then and now? Lordy, I hope so. And if that’s the case, she’s in good company (see, “Johnson, Charles”) and should be praised for that.

But if she’s going to keep playing the “I was hacked!” card instead of acknowledging that she had shitty takes back then and knows better now… well, it makes it harder to keep supporting her, doesn’t it?

I’ve been staying out of this because it’s just depressing to see this kind of asinine smearing by the far left of a very eloquent and effective voice — someone we need more than ever right now.

But I think Joy was badly served by the guy she hired to investigate these posts; he came out with a bunch of ludicrous poorly sourced claims, and got instantly called out for them. And it’s being attributed to Joy now, because she accepted his reports.

Apparently the guy was recommended by Malcolm Nance, which is disappointing because the guy is a yahoo who has no idea what he’s talking about. I hope Joy didn’t pay him too much.

But she should have simply owned and apologized for those posts like she did with the original ones that came out. Trying to claim “hacking” made it much worse because unless you have really good evidence for a claim like that you just… shouldn’t. It doesn’t smell right to people.

I hope she’ll take this course now and disavow that “investigation.” I think it’s the only thing that might save her career.

And… saying that, I also think it’s just disgusting the way she’s been targeted by the puritopian left and Glenn Fucking Greenwald.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:43:40am
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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:43:55am

re: #48 ObserverArt

Also, I did not realize that some are contending it is far-left Bernie supporters that are really after her.

What a mess.

Well, as has long been pointed out, the “left” includes some element of anarchism and this often leads to “left”-ist groups devouring themselves as they fracture.

Contrast this to fascistic groups, who idolize uniformity and power, and thus make for very powerful blocs who move as one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:44:09am

re: #47 PhillyPretzel

OT I just got my Instant Pot Mini. It looks like a pressure cooker which is something I am used to. I have looked over the user manual. It seems simple enough. When my mom used a pressure cooker it was to cook corn on the cob. Should I try something simpler or just dive in?

dive in!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:45:20am

re: #45 Dave In Austin

Didn’t notice the first time this was posted; Christie is in the back right.

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MsJ  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:45:59am

re: #47 PhillyPretzel

OT I just got my Instant Pot Mini. It looks like a pressure cooker which is something I am used to. I have looked over the user manual. It seems simple enough. When my mom used a pressure cooker it was to cook corn on the cob. Should I try something simpler or just dive in?

There are a zillion recipes all over the internet from making eggs to baking cakes to everything. It’s super easy all the way around. Jump on in and go for it.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:46:20am

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Okay. Thanks. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:46:25am

re: #53 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Didn’t notice the first time this was posted; Christie is in the back right.

that pretty much makes it a @darth photoshop/enhancement. That christie is one of his go-to add-ons.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:46:29am

re: #45 Dave In Austin

A day at the park…….

[Embedded content]

Trump knows how to fish? Other than being an ignorant blowhard who excels at enriching himself while bankrupting companies and persuading racists to worship him, what skills does he have?

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Bass Reeves  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:46:58am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

If posts of this nature were already known and apologized for, what exactly was the point in attacking her over them again?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:47:14am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

that pretty much makes it a @darth photoshop/enhancement. That christie is one of his go-to add-ons.

Ahhhhhhh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:47:28am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

that pretty much makes it a @darth photoshop/enhancement. That christie is one of his go-to add-ons.

OTOH, @darth would have shrunk the yam’s hands, too.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:48:21am

re: #54 MsJ

As for recipes I will probably stick with the America’s Test Kitchen books. They do have one for a multipot. I will look into it shortly.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:49:18am

re: #53 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Didn’t notice the first time this was posted; Christie is in the back right.

That is added by Photoshop…badly (IMO).

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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:49:32am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

that pretty much makes it a @darth photoshop/enhancement. That christie is one of his go-to add-ons.

And it works every time

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:50:44am

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump knows how to fish? Other than being an ignorant blowhard who excels at enriching himself while bankrupting companies and persuading racists to worship him, what skills does he have?

Fishing could be a metaphor for a con man.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:51:12am

re: #62 ObserverArt

That is added by Photoshop…badly (IMO).

Round round Get around, It gets around…….

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:52:32am

I read through the Korean agreement. My take, an admittedly between the lines thing is we just got excluded from the negotiations. How crazy am I?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:53:42am

re: #58 Bass Reeves

If posts of this nature were already known and apologized for, what exactly was the point in attacking her over them again?

It looks a lot like a planned multi-part smear campaign, just like the multi-part releases used by the James O’Keefe-influenced far right. The ones that just came out are being painted as somehow “worse” than the others, but they don’t seem worse to me — they’re all equally crass.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:55:01am
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ipsos  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:55:08am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I’ve been staying out of this because it’s just depressing to see this kind of asinine smearing by the far left of a very eloquent and effective voice — someone we need more than ever right now.

But I think Joy was badly served by the guy she hired to investigate these posts; he came out with a bunch of ludicrous poorly sourced claims, and got instantly called out for them. And it’s being attributed to Joy now, because she accepted his reports.

Agreed…. but…. the “investigation,” no matter who was doing it, looks shady. It’s her blog. She knows perfectly well whether or not these are things she wrote. If they’re embarrassing to 2018 Joy, that’s understandable. No doubt 2004 Charles (and the posters who were hanging with him here) is embarrassing to 2018 Charles - but 2018 Charles isn’t denying that those were his words or his forum all those years ago, or opening an “investigation” to find out who “placed that stuff in the LGF archives.” He’s owning them and moving on, and we respect him all the more for that.

And… saying that, I also think it’s just disgusting the way she’s been targeted by the puritopian left and Glenn Fucking Greenwald.

Agreed. I want to defend her. She’s just making it awfully hard to do with what look like a series of increasingly boneheaded choices.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:55:21am

re: #66 Unshaken Defiance

I read through the Korean agreement. My take, an admittedly between the lines thing is we just got excluded from the negotiations. How crazy am I?

That was part of the plan ever since Kim went to visit Xi a few weeks back…

DT can spout all he wants, but Rocket Man just launched him into oblivion

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:57:36am

today’s lunch is salmon fresh from the smoker (applewood) with a Greek salad made yesterday and marinating in the fridge since then.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:58:22am
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Scottish Dragon  Apr 27, 2018 • 11:58:31am
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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:00:51pm

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

Apparently that tweet of Deirdre no longer exists.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:01:34pm

re: #74 freetoken

Apparently that tweet of Deirdre no longer exists.

I just fixed it. Sorry.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:02:20pm

re: #69 ipsos

I have to disagree on one point, though - I do think it’s possible she simply didn’t recall writing those posts, and didn’t recognize them as her own. She writes a lot, and they were more than 10 years ago. I don’t find it a stretch to think she might have forgotten them.

But now she should own them. I think she’s probably going to do that soon.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:04:15pm

re: #21 Kragar

Tucker and Fabio forming the new puritan Sons of Jacob I see. Red Handmaid’s outfits can’t be far behind.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:05:34pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:06:03pm

Watching some of the politics stuff on Twitter serves as a very strong reminder of why I keep my involvement on there to watching only.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:06:41pm

re: #21 Kragar

It’s precious that Fox News is still trying to play the Family Values Decency Card with what they’ve been cheering on in the WH.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:07:21pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:07:58pm

re: #80 Sir John Barron

It’s precious that Fox News is still trying to play the Family Values Decency Card with what they’ve been cheering on in the WH.

They care not about DJT boning a high end escort and lying about it, but they’re pulling out the fainting couches over books in the library.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:08:16pm

re: #79 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Watching some of the politics stuff on Twitter serves as a very strong reminder of why I keep my involvement on there to watching only.

and I keep my involvement to watching what you guys post and discuss

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:09:26pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

I have to disagree on one point, though - I do think it’s possible she simply didn’t recall writing those posts, and didn’t recognize them as her own. She writes a lot, and they were more than 10 years ago. I don’t find it a stretch to think she might have forgotten them.

But now she should own them. I think she’s probably going to do that soon.

That was my thought as well. Didn’t remember them.

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ipsos  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:10:48pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

I have to disagree on one point, though - I do think it’s possible she simply didn’t recall writing those posts, and didn’t recognize them as her own. She writes a lot, and they were more than 10 years ago. I don’t find it a stretch to think she might have forgotten them.

But now she should own them. I think she’s probably going to do that soon.

I suppose you’re right. I write a lot and occasionally run across something I did that far back that I don’t immediately recall having done, too.

But I don’t deny it was mine, either. I hope you’re right, and that she owns up to it soon. I think there’s plenty of room for forgiveness. And I think after the Melissa Harris Perry debacle a few years back, it would be a very, very bad look for MSNBC to cancel Joy’s show.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:13:24pm
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RiverBoy  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:13:25pm

Been a while since I had the urge to post something but wanted to give my 2 cents on Joy. I’m a fan of her but this is pretty bad. What I don’t understand is she already apologized for the Gov Crist post why not come clean on all it from the get go. She had to go back and check if anything else of her past writings could come back to haunt her as well, you would think. Many people have evolved on LBGTQ issues so why she felt the need to try to dismiss this instead of owning it is disheartening. As someone else already stated, changing your views should be applauded when those changes are positive. Now I can’t help but ask myself if indeed her views have changed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:13:33pm

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and I keep my involvement to watching what you guys post and discuss

And that’s fine.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, I use Twitter. But I discuss politics on there very infrequently. It’s more for random photos and bitching about small shit and talking with the friends I’ve made on there and hockey. And writing.

I’ve actually made some pretty good friends through Twitter. Just like anything else on the Internet, it can have its good sides and its bad sides. I’ve chosen to use it in a way that minimizes some of the downsides, even if it means I censor what I put on there. Is that necessarily right? No, but it’s the reality we live in and I have the luxury of choice.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:14:04pm

re: #78 Kragar

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:14:23pm

re: #86 Kragar

Oh bless their achy breaky hearts..

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MsJ  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:15:49pm

re: #69 ipsos

Agreed…. but…. the “investigation,” no matter who was doing it, looks shady. It’s her blog. She knows perfectly well whether or not these are things she wrote. If they’re embarrassing to 2018 Joy, that’s understandable. No doubt 2004 Charles (and the posters who were hanging with him here) is embarrassing to 2018 Charles - but 2018 Charles isn’t denying that those were his words or his forum all those years ago, or opening an “investigation” to find out who “placed that stuff in the LGF archives.” He’s owning them and moving on, and we respect him all the more for that.

Agreed. I want to defend her. She’s just making it awfully hard to do with what look like a series of increasingly boneheaded choices.

I can’t say for a fact what I wrote 10 years ago. Just sayin’.

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Sea Mexican!  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:16:05pm

re: #45 Dave In Austin

A day at the park…….

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Is it just me, or did the artist used Alec Baldwin as an inspiration?

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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:18:52pm

re: #91 MsJ

I can’t say for a fact what I wrote 10 years ago. Just sayin’.

I come across specific creations I had written many years ago that I have since forgotten that I wrote.

However, I’ve never come across a position/belief that I had back whenever, that I can’t remember now that I had.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:19:36pm

re: #88 klys (maker of Silmarils)

And that’s fine.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, I use Twitter. But I discuss politics on there very infrequently. It’s more for random photos and bitching about small shit and talking with the friends I’ve made on there and hockey. And writing.

I use FB a lot and have the same policy: I do not post or comment on politics and more often than not just delete the posts and have blocked a few people because they would not let up on the political stuff.

If I want to discuss politics I come here or visit other political blog sites

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petesh  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:19:40pm

re: #92 Sea Mexican!

Is it just me, or did the artist used Alec Baldwin as an inspiration?

Possible. I thought it was Arsène Wenger, starting his retirement.

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William Lewis  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:19:56pm

re: #86 Kragar

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I’ve said to some like that that I’d rather they pray to god instead since it’s obvious they don’t know him. That just confuses them while I shut the door in their faces.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:20:04pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:23:23pm
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William Lewis  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:23:33pm

re: #95 petesh

Possible. I thought it was Arsène Wenger, starting his retirement.

Eh?

(googles) OH THANK YOU GOD…

Er, sorry, my sports ball thing just made me do it. Gunner don’t you know.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:24:00pm

re: #97 Kragar

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Hey — why didn’t you include the one, the holiest, the exalted FSM in your pantheon of gods?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:24:08pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

I sincerely hope I look half as good as she does someday.

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:25:05pm

Right wing digs up old posts by Joy Reid. Claims she’s a homophobe.

1. Right wing is specifically targeting effective journalists/pundits who expose the right wing as the hateful mob that they are.

2. They’re specifically targeting women of color because they’re the ones who have stood the line against the right wing rabble rousers, white supremacists, and Nazis far more than any other group.

3. That women of color are the bulwark of the Democratic party means that knocking down Reid would be seen as a way to hobble efforts to maintain inertia and enthusiasm in turning the House back to Democratic party control (Senate is far less likely due to the makeup of those up for reelection this year).

4. Reid could have been a homophobe when those were originally written.

5. She could have changed her position over time. She appears to have done so.

6. As Charles pointed out, it appears she’s leaning heavily on a guy who “checked” whether the site was hacked/manipulated, and that his work is not exactly up to snuff.

7. This computer “specialist” may have taken her for a ride, and she doesn’t realize it.

8. The best thing for her to do is to claim that she doesn’t recall writing it, but expound on what her current position is and that she no longer believes what she wrote all those years ago. She should show that she has grown and matured in her views on LGBT rights, and that she’s more tolerant and accepting of the LGBT community, just as the rest of the nation has done in leaps and bounds since just a decade ago even as the right wing/GOP is looking to roll back those same rights.

One of the reasons the right (white) wing mob is trying to roll back all these civil and voting rights for minorities is because they feel like they’re being left behind or watching their power dwindle as others are finally able to express power that these white men have always had at their fingertips.

They’re using this to divide the coalition arrayed against them and hobble an effective speaker/pundit/journalist.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:25:09pm
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plansbandc  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:26:22pm

Just made the tragic error of doing a follow-up search after reading a brain thrashing tweet about Toys R Us.

The tweet said that Toys R Us wouldn’t be bankrupt if abortion was illegal.

One Toys R Us + Abortion search later…

Apparently, since Toys R Us allegedly donated to Planned Parenthood, they caused their own demise.

Why. Why do I do this to myself? Why.

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:27:03pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:28:53pm

re: #98 Dave In Austin

“You don’t have to say anything to the haters. You don’t have to acknowledge them at all. You just wake up every morning and be the best you you can be. And that tends to shut them up” ~ Michelle Obama

It does not shut them up, but it usually drives them to a frothing rage in which they make themselves look & sound like even bigger idiots

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:29:06pm

re: #104 plansbandc

This is why when one of my co-workers mentions something I ask them where they got the info. Most will actually look it up and name their source.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:30:03pm

re: #11 makeitstop

I’m saving them up for when another Republican makes a meaningful move to oust Trump.

They’ll be way past their ‘best before’ dates by then.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:30:35pm

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sealion early and Sealion often!!
en.wikipedia.org

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Weaselone  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:32:30pm

re: #104 plansbandc

Just made the tragic error of doing a follow-up search after reading a brain thrashing tweet about Toys R Us.

The tweet said that Toys R Us wouldn’t be bankrupt if abortion was illegal.

One Toys R Us + Abortion search later…

Apparently, since Toys R Us allegedly donated to Planned Parenthood, they caused their own demise.

Why. Why do I do this to myself? Why.

I’m not sure why your bothered. The premise is basically that Americans aren’t churning out enough kids, therefore not enough customers for Toys R Us. The idea that Americans should be popping out babies just to keep Toys R Us in the black is pretty stupid. It may also be wrong headed because if Americans had popped out more kids they might not have the money to spend purchasing overpriced junk from Toys R Us.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:32:48pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:33:43pm

re: #109 Dave In Austin

Sealion early and Sealion often!!
en.wikipedia.org

“See also: Argumentum ad nauseam” LOL!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:36:33pm

re: #89 Scottish Dragon

heh Couldn’t resist.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:37:18pm

re: #113 GlutenFreeJesus

LOL

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:43:44pm
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MsJ  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:43:59pm

re: #93 freetoken

I come across specific creations I have written many years ago that I have since forgotten that I wrote.

However, I’ve never come across a position/belief that I had back whenever, that I can’t remember now that I had.

I agree with you in principle. I’m likely guilty of insensitivity in something I wrote somewhere. Was it intentional to a class or group of people like POC, Trans folks, gays, etc.? No (unless the class is moron righties, then yes, those were and are completely intentional).

I’m fairly certain I’ve written something along the way that would piss off religious folks because I have no use for it. I was raised Jewish but don’t much care for that any more than Christianity or any other religion. But that’s core to me and that stance hasn’t really evolved, I’ve pretty much felt that forever or as long as I can remember. That said, leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone. Push your beliefs on me and I’ll become brutal in my words and thoughts.

I’m trying to think of things I’ve changed my stance on (I can’t think of anything because I’ve always been pretty accepting of anyone who’s decent), but maybe I just don’t remember. And I think that is the situation where you have problems like JoyAnn is having. She changed her stance. Perhaps she’s blocking what she wrote or forgot she wrote it. Maybe she really forgot that she indeed felt that way, the mind is funny sometimes.

I don’t know. But I’m not about to throw her away because of what she wrote 10 years ago. It’s not like she raped someone or said someone should be killed for being gay or trans… At least not that I’m aware of.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:45:12pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:47:33pm

The Wrong Stuff: Prize-Winning Wildlife Photographer Accused Of Using Taxidermy

Busted. I hate stuff like this. Internet trolls and conspira-liars routinely claim that any striking or remarkable image is faked, no matter how well documented. It is part of the dumbing down of culture. Fools and cheats like this guy give them ammunition.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:48:15pm

re: #115 Kragar

Wasn’t this the woman who met with the Trumps in Trump Tower or who helped arrange the meeting?

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:48:24pm

BBL. School is out. Avengers tonight!

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:48:24pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

I know that’s a stock photo from March 2018 (taken by Washington Post photo by Jabin Botsford), but Nunes is a member of Congress, not a member of the White House.

Yet that photo is taken on the White House grounds. Like everything else Nunes does, he’s running interference for Trump and coordinating his messaging with Trumpworld.

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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:49:16pm

re: #119 Sir John Barron

Yup, but doesn’t mean the idiot Trumpers can’t lie about it.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:49:52pm

re: #119 Sir John Barron

Wasn’t this the woman who met with the Trumps in Trump Tower or who helped arrange the meeting?

Yup. The one who met about the “adoptions” and promised Trump access to the Clinton emails, and just admitted to being a Russian agent.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:50:04pm

re: #122 freetoken

Yup, but doesn’t mean the idiot Trumpers can’t lie about it.

So, by promising dirt on HRC we’re supposed to believe she was working for Clinton?

These people.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:50:08pm

re: #115 Kragar

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Bomgino orobably blames the Clintons for his raging case of stupidity.

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petesh  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:50:50pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

Someone has the phone records, right? Can’t quite recall the name — Mellor? Maller? Muller? Something like that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:51:05pm

re: #124 Sir John Barron

So, by promising dirt on HRC we’re supposed to believe she was working for Clinton?

These people.

The premise this idiot is that they “entrapped” poor Dumbo Jr. Even if so, no one forced him to take her up on it.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:51:41pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

The premise this idiot is that they “entrapped” poor Dumbo Jr. Even if so, no one forced him to take her up on it.

See what you made us do!??!?!

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:54:15pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

I have to disagree on one point, though - I do think it’s possible she simply didn’t recall writing those posts, and didn’t recognize them as her own. She writes a lot, and they were more than 10 years ago. I don’t find it a stretch to think she might have forgotten them.

But now she should own them. I think she’s probably going to do that soon.

Doing that now after saying they were hacked is going to get her booted off MSNBC. It is an admittance she has been misleading and for a journalist that is a killer.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:54:16pm

Young people like David Hogg and his friends give me real hope that the dumbing down trend has been arrested. I know many others like them, young people who did take the critical thinking lessons to heart and who are not taken in by manipulative media.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:54:29pm

re: #116 MsJ

I think people are forgetting how totally ordinary the things Joy Reid wrote were in 2006. LGBT awareness has changed enormously since then (for the better, I think), but in 2006 it wasn’t unusual at all for people to say and write these kinds of things, usually framed as snark or sarcasm.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:56:34pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

I think people are forgetting how totally ordinary the things Joy Reid wrote were in 2006. LGBT awareness has changed enormously since then (for the better, I think), but in 2006 it wasn’t unusual at all for people to say and write these kinds of things, usually framed as snark or sarcasm.

It’s no coincidence to me they’re going after her because she’s a big critic of Trump and Bernie both. TBH she probably does deserve some criticism for past stances but the people leading it like Greenwald have no credibility at all given their pasts and present.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:57:38pm

re: #123 Kragar

Yup. The one who met about the “adoptions” and promised Trump access to the Clinton emails, and just admitted to being a Russian agent.

I was going to ask if that was the “adoption” lady.
And nobody has taken the Trumps directly to task about being so cynical in coming up with a cynical, lame, easily disproved cover story?

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Mike Lamb  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:58:17pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

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Glad Mueller doesn’t need Nunes’ sign off.

Fuck, Nunes can go fuck himself.

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Bass Reeves  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:58:43pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Doing that now after saying they were hacked is going to get her booted off MSNBC. It is an admittance she has been misleading and for a journalistliberal that is a killer.

But, so we’re clear….we’re not accusing of her about being dishonest about stuff she’s reporting on, right? Like, say….interviewing your lawyer w/o disclosing it, interviewing someone who is funneling you money w/o disclosing it, actual journalist ethics stuff.

How does this story compare with say…the thread starter?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:58:57pm

JFC, where do you find people this damn skeevy?

“… On Friday, during an appearance on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” one of Mr. Cosby’s publicists invoked Till when asked whether the dozens of women who have accused Mr. Cosby of sexual abuse were lying.

“Since when are all people honest?” the publicist, Ebonee Benson, said. “And since when are all women honest? We can take a look at Emmett Till, for example. Since when are all people honest?”

Mr. Cosby’s other publicist, Andrew Wyatt, added that “this became a public lynching.” …”

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RiverBoy  Apr 27, 2018 • 12:59:07pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

Sorry that’s old news. Didn’t you see the House panel already cleared Trump and his aides…
(Not sure how to imply sarcasm)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:00:44pm

And meanwhile I re: #136 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

JFC, where do you find people this damn skeevy?

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Breitbart is one place.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:01:28pm

re: #137 RiverBoy

Sorry that’s old news. Didn’t you see the House panel already cleared Trump and his aides…
(Not sure how to imply sarcasm)

People got tired of typing [/sarcasm], so now it’s just /. As many as needed.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:01:33pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:05:55pm

re: #111 Scottish Dragon

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If you keep posting those images in Tweets, poor Judy is going to be praying for you from now to eternity.

And that would take away from her Twittering and supporting Trumpo!

By all means please continue.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:07:15pm
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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:07:58pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

She blocked me after this for some reason.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:08:03pm

So this Stephen Foster statue was taken down in Pittsburgh the other day. The usual suspects are complaining about PC run amok blah blah and how it doesn’t offend them and how it just creates more hatred taking down the statue. It has a subservient slave next to Foster in the statue. I can’t help but to wonder how these “everyone offends too easily these types” would feel about a statue that showed a white person in a place of bondage. I swear. I’m tired of other white people who don’t fucking think about that shit. But hey I’m just a SJW. //

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RiverBoy  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:08:13pm

re: #139 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Thanks. I assumed that was case but wanted to be certain before going that route.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:08:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:08:35pm

re: #142 Kragar

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I think she’s definitely involved somehow, someway. Even more so than SAnders.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:09:13pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:09:59pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

So this Stephen Foster statue was taken down in Pittsburgh the other day. The usual suspects are complaining about PC run amok blah blah and how it doesn’t offend them and how it just creates more hatred taking down the statue. It has a subservient slave next to Foster in the statue. I can’t help but to wonder how these “everyone offends too easily these types” would feel about a statue that showed a white person in a place of bondage. I swear. I’m tired of other white people who don’t fucking think about that shit. But hey I’m just a SJW. //

Happy, we were picketing about the Foster statue when I was at Pitt 45 years ago! The Foster memorial is on the Pitt campus.

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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:10:31pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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lol, love the hands too

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:10:43pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

“…but i do not wear ties”
“eli, eli these are trump ties everyone loves trump ties”
“but they are made in China, what ever happened to American jobs for American workers?”
“You will have a job stocking these on shelves at the Wal-Mart for minimum wage and no benefits!”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:13:13pm

re: #149 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, we were picketing about the Foster statue when I was at Pitt 45 years ago! The Foster memorial is on the Pitt campus.

Foster was from Lawrenceville. My grandmother’s maternal grandparents are buried there.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:13:51pm
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Mike Lamb  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:14:38pm

re: #148 Kragar

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Hannity meant the communities where he actually lives…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:15:00pm

re: #153 Kragar

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Lord HaHa is good.

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Kragar  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:15:05pm
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BigPapa  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:15:43pm

I’m partial to Lumpy. Always have, always will. So fight me.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:15:46pm

re: #153 Kragar

None of the above. I would say but I am afraid that Charles would give me a time out and I do not want that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:18:44pm

re: #156 Kragar

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A bastard landlord. He’d fit in great with the assholes that treated his and my ancestors like trash.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:21:54pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

So this Stephen Foster statue was taken down in Pittsburgh the other day. The usual suspects are complaining about PC run amok blah blah and how it doesn’t offend them and how it just creates more hatred taking down the statue. It has a subservient slave next to Foster in the statue. I can’t help but to wonder how these “everyone offends too easily these types” would feel about a statue that showed a white person in a place of bondage. I swear. I’m tired of other white people who don’t fucking think about that shit. But hey I’m just a SJW. //

its a well known historical rule that statues can never be taken down, like when Saddam’s statue was pulled down.

///

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:22:13pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

It’s no coincidence to me they’re going after her because she’s a big critic of Trump and Bernie both. TBH she probably does deserve some criticism for past stances but the people leading it like Greenwald have no credibility at all given their pasts and present.

We do have a workable model on the left that shows these kinds of attacks work.

Can I introduce you to a former Senator from Minnesota?

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:26:50pm

re: #135 Bass Reeves

But, so we’re clear….we’re not accusing of her about being dishonest about stuff she’s reporting on, right? Like, say….interviewing your lawyer w/o disclosing it, interviewing someone who is funneling you money w/o disclosing it, actual journalist ethics stuff.

How does this story compare with say…the thread starter?

I don’t agree with what I wrote. All I am saying in this era of journalism any little sign of misleading and not owning up right off will kill a journalist. Just seems to be a reality in the business.

Clean-up by trashing is The New American Way™.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:28:52pm

re: #161 ObserverArt

We do have a workable model on the left that shows these kinds of attacks work.

Can I introduce you to a former Senator from Minnesota?

Yeah the Franken business has the stench of Roger Stone on it.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:29:25pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

I have to disagree on one point, though - I do think it’s possible she simply didn’t recall writing those posts, and didn’t recognize them as her own. She writes a lot, and they were more than 10 years ago. I don’t find it a stretch to think she might have forgotten them.

But now she should own them. I think she’s probably going to do that soon.

It’s pretty weird that nobody brought these posts up during the last controversy over the posts about Charlie Crist that she did apologize for. People were crawling all over her old blog then trying to find any hint of homophobia to try to get her fired and these just never came up?

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:31:39pm

re: #142 Kragar

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:32:19pm

My take on the MacNaughton, in the wake of the Jackson fiasco…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:35:19pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

It’s pretty weird that nobody brought these posts up during the last controversy over the posts about Charlie Crist that she did apologize for. People were crawling all over her old blog then trying to find any hint of homophobia to try to get her fired and these just never came up?

And Evan Hurst makes the point that these alleged posts have no comments while all the rest have many. I believe the hacking theory is quite plausible.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:36:21pm

re: #167 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And Evan Hurst makes the point that these alleged posts have no comments while all the rest have many. I believe the hacking theory is quite plausible.

That is interesting for sure. Something stinks here.

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:37:29pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:38:02pm

I mean yeah, maybe Joy doesn’t remember the old posts, but they don’t even read like her voice and like I said it’s weird that NOBODY brought them up during the last go around when plenty of eyes were scouring her blog.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:38:31pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

I mean yeah, maybe Joy doesn’t remember the old posts, but they don’t even read like her voice and like I said it’s weird that NOBODY brought them up during the last go around when plenty of eyes were scouring her blog.

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The more I think about this Frank, the more I smell something fishy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:39:15pm

The Idi-odyssey continues. In the meantime, mountains of medical quackery, conspira-lies, racism and Nazi incitement go unnoticed at Facebook.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:39:19pm

re: #164 goddamnedfrank

It’s pretty weird that nobody brought these posts up during the last controversy over the posts about Charlie Crist that she did apologize for. People were crawling all over her old blog then trying to find any hint of homophobia to try to get her fired and these just never came up?

When this first came up last year I went and looked through the blog posts at the Internet Archive site, and I found some of these posts in addition to the ones about Crist. I thought it was laid to rest when she apologized. But the Greenwaldians were lying in wait.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:39:27pm

re: #167 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And Evan Hurst makes the point that these alleged posts have no comments while all the rest have many. I believe the hacking theory is quite plausible.

Right, I just have a really hard time believing that nobody at all posted in response to that shit if it was legit.

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:41:27pm

re: #169 BeachDem

And the rules for building an embassy are quite strict thanks to security considerations.

You need to acquire the space to have the necessary setbacks/security cordons, etc., which aren’t necessary with a consulate or in many existing diplomatic facilities that were built before the current rules. Many existing diplomatic facilities are considered insufficiently secure against vehicle attacks, etc., and therefore moving to more secure facilities is indicated.

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:41:39pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

When this first came up last year I went and looked through the blog posts at the Internet Archive site, and I found some of these posts in addition to the ones about Crist. I thought it was laid to rest when she apologized. But the Greenwaldians were lying in wait.

Greenwald really seems to have a burr in his saddle for Reid. Did she school him on the air or something?

He and his minions really want to take her down.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:42:19pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

That is interesting for sure. Something stinks here.

The Vox article I had linked earlier points out many of her mid-2000s posts don’t have comments, not just the ones in question.

This is one of those we have to wait and watch it play out things. Everyone is fighting for their battle positions right now. Initial bombing runs are underway to allow for protection of troop movements.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:42:40pm

re: #142 Kragar

re: #165 The Major

Now, now. Just because Товарищ Доктор Comrade Doctor Jill Stein visited Russia, on the dime of the government propaganda machine, doesn’t mean she’s in Putin’s stable of useful idiots.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:43:41pm

re: #176 makeitstop

Greenwald really seems to have a burr in his saddle for Reid. Did she school him on the air or something?

He and his minions really want to take her down.

She might have attacked or questioned the deity of Wikileaks.

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lawhawk  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:44:01pm

re: #178 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What would give you that idea?

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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:46:47pm

re: #153 Kragar

You left off “Shantytown Hannity-clown.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:48:10pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

Right, I just have a really hard time believing that nobody at all posted in response to that shit if it was legit.

And as far as the Wayback Machine goes, I’ve been really disenchanted with the Internet Archive since they started canonizing St. Snowden. (Even before they started making everything borrow-only, but that’s another discussion….)

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BeachDem  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:48:40pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I’ve been staying out of this because it’s just depressing to see this kind of asinine smearing by the far left of a very eloquent and effective voice — someone we need more than ever right now.

But I think Joy was badly served by the guy she hired to investigate these posts; he came out with a bunch of ludicrous poorly sourced claims, and got instantly called out for them. And it’s being attributed to Joy now, because she accepted his reports.

Apparently the guy was recommended by Malcolm Nance, which is disappointing because the guy is a yahoo who has no idea what he’s talking about. I hope Joy didn’t pay him too much.

But she should have simply owned and apologized for those posts like she did with the original ones that came out. Trying to claim “hacking” made it much worse because unless you have really good evidence for a claim like that you just… shouldn’t. It doesn’t smell right to people.

I hope she’ll take this course now and disavow that “investigation.” I think it’s the only thing that might save her career.

And… saying that, I also think it’s just disgusting the way she’s been targeted by the puritopian left and Glenn Fucking Greenwald.

An interesting thread with Joan Walsh’s take:

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:49:28pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:49:35pm

re: #180 lawhawk

What would give you that idea?

Я просто чувствую, что все посещают Товарища доктора Джилла Штеина в России из контекста. I just feel everyone is taking Comrade Doctor Jill Stein’s visit to Russia out of context.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 1:59:58pm

re: #183 BeachDem

An interesting thread with Joan Walsh’s take:

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I see that Barrett Brown is one of the creeps who’s out for Joy’s blood now.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:03:16pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

I see that Barrett Brown is one of the creeps who’s out for Joy’s blood now.

Those guys never ever lose their credibility with their fans. Gullible lemmings.

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BigPapa  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:09:19pm

Barrett Brown. The swampy creatures always seem to bubble back up from time to time. Oh, the memories.

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wrenchwench  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:13:17pm

Current mood:

—so I’ll return to fixing bikes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:15:57pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:16:26pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:17:19pm

re: #172 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Idi-odyssey continues. In the meantime, mountains of medical quackery, conspira-lies, racism and Nazi incitement go unnoticed at Facebook.

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You aren’t alone. Facebook did the same to me.

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meteor  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:24:24pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:27:07pm

re: #193 meteor

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Is that a budgie warning call?

It would be a good day for it.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:27:26pm
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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:36:02pm

We’ve had the crash, here’s the burn.

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Belafon  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:37:59pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

Read the attached. Are the accusations against her based on screenshots?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:39:43pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:42:06pm

re: #196 makeitstop

We’ve had the crash, here’s the burn.

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The college Republicans just had him as a guest at Cal Poly last night because complete assholes love to be lectured to by other complete assholes

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:42:57pm

re: #196 makeitstop

We’ve had the crash, here’s the burn.

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I know I am an optimist, but am I seeing a trend here with people like Chucky Johnson, Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Richard Spencer losing their kingdoms?

Is their game dying out? I sure hope so.

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:44:09pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

I know I am an optimist, but am I seeing a trend here with people like Chucky Johnson, Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Richard Spencer losing their kingdoms?

Is their game dying out? I sure hope so.

Calm before the storm, perhaps?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:46:19pm

re: #201 The Major

Calm before the storm, perhaps?

I think it’s just that they served their purpose and now they’re being discarded, like a Trump contractor.

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:50:54pm

re: #202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think it’s just that they served their purpose and now they’re being discarded, like a Trump contractor.

To a large degree, many of them have been exposed as frauds (CCJ, Cernovich), fallen victim to asshole-on-asshole slap fights (Spencer), or revealed themselves to be even too toxic for wingnuts (Milo).

The encouraging sign I see is that there’s not another line behind them to take their places. Not yet, at least.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:51:01pm

re: #202 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I think it’s just that they served their purpose and now they’re being discarded, like a Trump contractor.

Yep now we have Tomi Lahren, Diamond and Silk, Jacob Wohl, Jack Posobiec, etc.

They’re like endlessly respawning enemies in a video game. There’s always more of them.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:51:07pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:51:35pm

dfuq is wrong with these people

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mmmirele  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:56:05pm

re: #93 freetoken

I come across specific creations I had written many years ago that I have since forgotten that I wrote.

However, I’ve never come across a position/belief that I had back whenever, that I can’t remember now that I had.

This goes back to pre-Internet, but my ex-boyfriend once told me he was afraid to bring up the Israeli-Palestinian situation with me because I was militantly, firebreathingly pro-Israel. (And it was for religious reasons, I had some stupid ideas in my head in my 20s.) I’ve since mellowed out and seen the situation for a complex mess that isn’t going to be fixed by an apocalypse. I still remember how afraid he was to bring it up…he really thought i was going to go crazy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:57:36pm

re: #196 makeitstop

We’ve had the crash, here’s the burn.

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Haha.
My director showed us a video of her amazing 20-day trip to Antarctica at lunch today. Penguins are cool. A sweet young lady in the meeting was horrified by killer whales killing a penguin, but there were so many penguins there that they were packed together like people at a concert.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:57:43pm

re: #197 Belafon

Read the attached. Are the accusations against her based on screenshots?

If Joy is claiming she was hacked, is that not admitting that somewhere in the actual text of her blog posts these comments were entered not by her?

If she was claiming the screenshots in the tweets were altered by Photoshop, that wouldn’t be a hack would it?

Don’t mean to split hairs, but there are distinctions and I bet Joy knows the evils of Photoshop.

Also, the posts are off a web site that archives the website…and that hints it is text not image.

From the Vox article linked earlier (Link attached again)

There’s a lot of skepticism around the hacking claim
Not everyone is convinced that Reid was actually hacked. According to Jonathan Nichols, the expert hired by Reid, the hacks took place around 2005 to 2009 — which is why the blog posts were picked up by the Wayback Machine, which archives websites in real time, and tagged during that time period.

Reporter Hayley Miller has a very good breakdown at HuffPost of the reasons to be skeptical of the hacking claim. But here is the key point:

Since Wayback Machine captures sites in real time, this means someone would have had to hack Reid’s blog numerous times between 2005 and 2009. If someone hacked her blog recently and attempted to change the timestamps to a previous year, Wayback Machine would still archive the posts according to the date they were actually hacked.

It’s unclear who would repeatedly target Reid in the mid-to-late-2000s, more than a decade before she rose to national fame with MSNBC. Reid’s Wikipedia page wasn’t even created until 2014.

Vox - The Joy Reid controversy, from homophobic blog posts to a hacking claim, explained

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:58:17pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Apr 27, 2018 • 2:59:19pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:00:00pm

re: #204 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep now we have Tomi Lahren, Diamond and Silk, Jacob Wohl, Jack Posobiec, etc.

They’re like endlessly respawning enemies in a video game. There’s always more of them.

Copies of copies. Bad DNA. Offspring with many issues. Distortions from too many duplications.

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calochortus  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:05:44pm

re: #199 Skip Intro

The college Republicans just had him as a guest at Cal Poly last night because complete assholes love to be lectured to by other complete assholes

The college budgeted something like $40,000-$50,000 for security and then no protesters showed up. Milo is no longer relevant.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:06:38pm

re: #206 gocart mozart

dfuq is wrong with these people

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They are racists who don’t care how many brown people are killed — and probably don’t care how many white people of a different ethnicity or different religion are killed either. They have no compassion for anyone outside of their family and maybe a few close friends. And obviously they are easily susceptible to brain-washing.

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mmmirele  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:07:07pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

Hedgehogs. I’m in a private group on FB with a lot of former evangelicals. There’s an evangelical thing about praying for hedges of protection. When someone posts “I need hedges,” people post cute pictures/gifs/videos of hedgehogs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:07:22pm
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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:09:30pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

If Joy is claiming she was hacked, is that not admitting that somewhere in the actual text of her blog posts these comments were entered not by her?

If she was claiming the screenshots in the tweets were altered by Photoshop, that wouldn’t be a hack would it?

Don’t mean to split hairs, but there are distinctions and I bet Joy knows the evils of Photoshop.

Also, the posts are off a web site that archives the website…and that hints it is text not image.

From the Vox article linked earlier (Link attached again)

Vox - The Joy Reid controversy, from homophobic blog posts to a hacking claim, explained

I’ll just toss this out - isn’t it possible that someone working at Internet Archive would have access to files and could edit them?

Might be a little far-fetched - but ‘far-fetched’ isn’t as far as it used to be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:09:37pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

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I see @darth shrunk the yam’s hands, as expected…also changed the book titles.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:12:10pm

re: #215 mmmirele

Hedgehogs. I’m in a private group on FB with a lot of former evangelicals. There’s an evangelical thing about praying for hedges of protection. When someone posts “I need hedges,” people post cute pictures/gifs/videos of hedgehogs.

I might have to make use of that.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:15:20pm

re: #210 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim.

I’ve been meaning to ask, unless I missed you mentioning it, how is the new job going?

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William Lewis  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:17:15pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

I know I am an optimist, but am I seeing a trend here with people like Chucky Johnson, Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Richard Spencer losing their kingdoms?

Is their game dying out? I sure hope so.

The modern bosses do the “Night of Long Knives” economically rather than literally.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:17:27pm

re: #217 makeitstop

I’ll just toss this out - isn’t it possible that someone working at Internet Archive would have access to files and could edit them?

Might be a little far-fetched - but ‘far-fetched’ isn’t as far as it used to be.

Exactly. IA has become part of the WikiLeaks-Snowden axis lately. Unless people are going back in time to 2005 to access the Wayback Machine, I see no reason to trust what it says now.

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:18:48pm

re: #217 makeitstop

I’ll just toss this out - isn’t it possible that someone working at Internet Archive would have access to files and could edit them?

Might be a little far-fetched - but ‘far-fetched’ isn’t as far as it used to be.

If they are HTML page saves that is possible. You just go into the files and add the comments.

It is a puzzle. That Vox article has some interesting thoughts in it. And as you say, far-fetched isn’t that far on the New Wild Wild Mad Mad West World of the internet.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:19:57pm

re: #220 ObserverArt

I’ve been meaning to ask, unless I missed you mentioning it, how is the new job going?

It’s slow. Apparently the management on this project is very, erm, disorganized. They hired me before they had the work ready to go. But it looks like it could be a cool project once it gets off the ground.

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Chad Thundercock  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:27:11pm

re: #176 makeitstop

Greenwald really seems to have a burr in his saddle for Reid. Did she school him on the air or something?

He and his minions really want to take her down.

She’s black.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:28:37pm

re: #196 makeitstop

We’ve had the crash, here’s the burn.

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Karma is a stone bitch, Milo.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:28:49pm

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Exactly. IA has become part of the WikiLeaks-Snowden axis lately. Unless people are going back in time to 2005 to access the Wayback Machine, I see no reason to trust what it says now.

Anything associated with WikiLeaks or Snowden is untrustworthy on the best of days. I find this all very suspicious but I certainly am on board with those who say that it’s part of a conspiracy that targets women of color who are not supportive of Trump.

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:30:55pm

re: #222 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Exactly. IA has become part of the WikiLeaks-Snowden axis lately. Unless people are going back in time to 2005 to access the Wayback Machine, I see no reason to trust what it says now.

I didn’t know that they were bro-adjace. Interesting.

It would be a hell of an angle - re-writing choice bits of the internet to discredit opponents, then claiming ‘It’s an archive!’

Even if it’s an archive, there are files that can be edited. I’m well on my way to not trusting anybody.

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ipsos  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:31:16pm

re: #227 Hecuba’s daughter

Anything associated with WikiLeaks or Snowden is untrustworthy on the best of days. I find this all very suspicious but I certainly am on board with those who say that it’s part of a conspiracy that targets women of color who are not supportive of Trump.

Sorry, no. I’m not going to start playing up conspiracy theory stuff just because Joy is someone we like and want to support. (And she is, and I do.)

Occam’s razor still applies here, and it’s much more believable that she said some stupid things on a blog a long time ago, has either forgotten she said them or would prefer not to remember, and is now trying to disavow them. Especially when you read the entirety of the reporting that others have linked above, in particular the observation that other archive sites in addition to the Wayback Machine show the same content in their archives of Reid’s blog.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:34:27pm

I have a news flash for this drippy NY Times op-edist. None of these celebrities are being “disappeared.” They are everywhere on TV, the press, all over the Internet, making tons of money, spewing their shitty thoughts to all and sundry. Your outrage is about something else. What could it be?

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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:35:34pm

re: #226 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Karma is a stone bitch, Milo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:36:28pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

sure thing…start with all of your Dr. Feelgoods…

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ObserverArt  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:39:28pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

sure thing…start with all of your Dr. Feelgoods…

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Donny’s little helpers.

Doctor please, some more of these
Outside the door, he took four more
What a drag it is getting old

(Hat Tip: Rolling Stones)

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:45:22pm

Just great, I’ve got a qanon lunatic in my mentions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:46:07pm

re: #233 ObserverArt

Donny’s little helpers.

Doctor please, some more of these
Outside the door, he took four more
What a drag it is getting old

(Hat Tip: Rolling Stones)

They call me, Dr. John, The Night Tripper
Got my satchel of Gris-Gris in my hand
Day trippin’ up and back down the bayou
I’m the last of the best
They call me the Gris-Gris man
Got many clients
Come from miles around
Running down my prescription
I got my medicine, to cure all your ills
I got remedies of every description.
— Gris Gris gumbo. Ya Ya.

Dr. John - Gris-Gris Gumbo Ya Ya

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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:46:41pm

re: #206 gocart mozart

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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:47:47pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:48:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:53:22pm

re: #238 Dave In Austin

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oh, these poor people…

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:54:29pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

I know I am an optimist, but am I seeing a trend here with people like Chucky Johnson, Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Richard Spencer losing their kingdoms?

Is their game dying out? I sure hope so.

Oh dear sweet Jesus please say yes. I have never prayed for anything this hard in my life

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:54:32pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, these poor people…

Nothing poor about these people. They’re quite happy to be in ignorant bliss.

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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 3:59:39pm

Loons. They’re just so damn cute.

But still, loons.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:01:39pm

re: #241 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Nothing poor about these people. They’re quite happy to be in ignorant bliss.

They’re all in need of a clue-by-four upside the head.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:01:50pm

Sometimes I think my day is rough, and then my sister sends me a link to a news story about her day and I feel much better.

Granted, at least it’s just the local news, but.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:02:11pm

re: #243 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re all in need of a clue-by-four upside the head.

Cluebat: Apply directly to the forehead. Repeat until effective.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:03:00pm

re: #244 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Sometimes I think my day is rough, and then my sister sends me a link to a news story about her day and I feel much better.

Granted, at least it’s just the local news, but.

Local news: That day sucked.
Statewide news: Holy shit, dude, glad you’re okay.
National news: Why the FUCK didn’t you tell me you worked for Donald Trump?!?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:03:41pm

re: #245 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Cluebat: Apply directly to the forehead. Repeat until effective.

Now they’re all going to need a 20-man security detail to protect them from all these threats….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:03:56pm

oh dear…

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William Lewis  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:04:07pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

Just great, I’ve got a qanon lunatic in my mentions.

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WTFuckingFuckityFuck???????

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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:04:28pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

I know I am an optimist, but am I seeing a trend here with people like Chucky Johnson, Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Richard Spencer losing their kingdoms?

Is their game dying out? I sure hope so.

Those type of people are more popular when they aren’t in power, easier to whine.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:05:05pm

re: #250 b.d. (Candy Man)

Those type of people are more popular when they aren’t in power, easier to whine.

Rush Limbaugh’s heights of popularity were during the Clinton and Obama administrations (especially Clinton’s, since there was so much material there for him to pick on).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:05:22pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:06:27pm
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makeitstop  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:06:40pm

re: #250 b.d. (Candy Man)

Those type of people are more popular when they aren’t in power, easier to whine.

Good article about that here: The Far Right’s Ironic Snowflake Problem

The Milo mishegas speaks to an intellectual barrenness at the core of Trump-era conservatism: Having found themselves in political power, they must manufacture a sense of powerlessness

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:07:30pm

re: #253 goddamnedfrank

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Dude. Seriously, just take off and nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:09:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:09:44pm
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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:11:33pm

re: #254 makeitstop

Good article about that here: The Far Right’s Ironic Snowflake Problem

The Milo mishegas speaks to an intellectual barrenness at the core of Trump-era conservatism: Having found themselves in political power, they must manufacture a sense of powerlessness

that was good, thanks

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:14:15pm

I was driving Dad’s Tesla today and noticed something, the volume goes to 11.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:15:00pm
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jaunte  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:24:16pm

re: #260 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Those are pretty big.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:28:12pm

re: #261 jaunte

Those are pretty big.

Like something out of Johnny Quest.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:28:36pm

re: #260 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That map is the stuff of horrors as far as my wife is concerned. She has …. issues …. with mosquitoes.

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jaunte  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:29:32pm

Mosquito-induced Earthquakes Shake Northwest.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:31:58pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

I was driving Dad’s Tesla today and noticed something, the volume goes to 11.

But the range goes to 8.
//

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:33:59pm

“And I promise not to send them to camps or anything….”

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jaunte  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:34:15pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:35:30pm
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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:36:57pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

No papists for real Americans??

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Single-handed sailor  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:37:27pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

How about a Rabbi?

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wheat-dogg  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:37:39pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

That would kind of eliminate Catholic priests from being chaplains.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:37:51pm

MY AVOCADO PIT NOW HAS A WEE BUD TO GO ALONG WITH ITS ROOT!!!!

(can y’all tell that I am excited???!!!???)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:38:27pm

re: #271 wheat-dogg

That would kind of eliminate Catholic priests from being chaplains.

Well, the point is to eventually get it so that only an Evangelical mental case can serve as chaplain. This is step one.

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:38:48pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

Why doesn’t this ‘conservative’ say what he really means? I’m sure he wants the next House chaplain to be a Voice of Trump because Republicans crave Trumpist propaganda 24/7/365 and have been known to have violent withdrawal symptoms within seconds of discontinuing the Fox News feed. Also, evangelical anti-Catholic bigotry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:39:47pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

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soooo…Catholics in general and Jesuits in specific should not bother to apply.

Sounds familiar…

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:40:28pm

re: #271 wheat-dogg

Well that’s the point. Only bible humping Southern Baptists or Trump loving Evangelicals need apply. The Republican Party doesn’t recognize any other religions as being valid.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:41:41pm

re: #276 Skip Intro

Well that’s the point. Only bible humping Southern Baptists or Trump loving Evangelicals need apply. The Republican Party doesn’t recognize any other religions as being valid.

Explicitly so. Their rhetoric about “America is a CHRISTIAN nation” really means “evangelical Protestant Christian”. Uhh, guys, hate to break it to you, but evangelicalism is a relatively modern invention.

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:42:00pm

re: #271 wheat-dogg

That would kind of eliminate Catholic priests from being chaplains.

…except converted Episcopalian priests with families….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:42:04pm

re: #277 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Explicitly so. Their rhetoric about “America is a CHRISTIAN nation” really means “evangelical Protestant Christian”. Uhh, guys, hate to break it to you, but evangelicalism is a relatively modern invention.

No shit.

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wheat-dogg  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:42:29pm

re: #276 Skip Intro

Well that’s the point. Only bible humping Southern Baptists or Trump loving Evangelicals need apply. The Republican Party doesn’t recognize any other religions as being valid.

Then the job requirements should also include an underage boy or girl in the sidecar.

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:43:30pm

re: #280 wheat-dogg

Then the job requirements should also include an underage boy or girl in the sidecar.

Ah, the old “Rentboy” scandal?

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:43:51pm

re: #280 wheat-dogg

Then the job requirements should also include an underage boy or girl in the sidecar.

That’s what pages are for.

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jaunte  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:44:12pm

“In the early days of the American Revolution, the Continental Congress approved the role of military chaplains, and it chose Anglican minister Jacob Duché to be its first chaplain in 1774. The founders debated how to pick someone among the different denominations represented, but they ultimately decided that the main question was whether the person supported the American Revolution.”
washingtonpost.com

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b.d. (Disposable)  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:46:05pm

re: #269 freetoken

No papists for real Americans??

Only Roman Catholic Priests with wives and kids are qualified.

There are a couple, who woulda thunk that The Church would ever have loopholes?
//

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:46:18pm

I have a major personal problem that’s so personal I don’t want to tell you about it.

Just thought you’d like to know that I’m going through emotional hell right now.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:47:11pm

re: #283 jaunte

See, nothing’s changed. Now the only requirement is that the person has to support the Republican Party and no other.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:47:24pm

Maybe a minister in a same sex marriage would work. Oh? Anyhow one of my cousins knows Conroy. Says he’s a very kind man and passionate about helping the less well off so wonder where Rand Ryan booted him.

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dirkdigglerjr  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:48:37pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s going to make a terrific House Majority Leader/Speaker/Senator/President in the future.

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Cheechako  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:50:15pm

re: #260 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We are prepared:

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:50:50pm

Time to put Charlie Kirk on the spot and make him own his tweets…(I know, a folly, but what the hell….)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:50:52pm

re: #289 Cheechako

I was thinking of you when I posted it. :)

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:51:47pm

re: #289 Cheechako

Hey - I saw that sign in Minnesota…where the mosquitoes are the size of Buicks….

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wheat-dogg  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:52:09pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

{{{{Skip Intro}}}}

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:52:19pm

re: #206 gocart mozart

Dipstick there is going to be a mass shooter in the near future.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:52:58pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

I have a major personal problem that’s so personal I don’t want to tell you about it.

Just thought you’d like to know that I’m going through emotional hell right now.

{{{Skip}}}

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:52:58pm

Manahawkin is in NJ. And yes it means mosquitoes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:53:32pm

re: #292 The Major

Hey - I saw that sign in Minnesota…where the mosquitoes are the size of Buicks….

Careful, we’re a bunch of millennials here. We don’t know what a Buick is.//////////

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:53:47pm

re: #290 The Major

Time to put Charlie Kirk on the spot and make him own his tweets…(I know, a folly, but what the hell….)

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1970 Charlie. Who was President that year.

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Cheechako  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:53:49pm

re: #292 The Major

Hey - I saw that sign in Minnesota…where the mosquitoes are the size of Buicks….

B-52’s up here.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:53:51pm

re: #293 wheat-dogg

{{{{Skip Intro}}}}

Ditto. Thinking of you Skip.

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dirkdigglerjr  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:53:58pm

re: #260 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ack! North Dakota mosquitoes are bad enough! Spent a summer there (my mom grew up in Valley City) and those damn things were the size of buzzards!

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wheat-dogg  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:54:35pm

re: #297 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Careful, we’re a bunch of millennials here. We don’t know what a Buick is.//////////

Minnesota mosquito food. They love to suck the insides out of them.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:54:47pm

re: #290 The Major

Time to put Charlie Kirk on the spot and make him own his tweets…(I know, a folly, but what the hell….)

[Embedded content]

Actually, he’s probably right. One thing that welfare did as instituted in the 60s was to pay less to married families. In some cases, it probably made more sense to stay single.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:55:42pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

I have a major personal problem that’s so personal I don’t want to tell you about it.

Just thought you’d like to know that I’m going through emotional hell right now.

Sorry man.

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ipsos  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:56:48pm

{{{{SkipIntro}}}}

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:57:01pm

I see the Great Society ruined Black families claim a lot but never any proof to back it up.

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:57:26pm

Thanks all. I appreciate the support.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:58:05pm

re: #307 Skip Intro

Thanks all. I appreciate the support.

Drop one (or more) of us a line if there’s anything besides support we can offer.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:58:15pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Hope all goes well. We’re thinking of you.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 4:58:48pm

TBH I’m tired of conservatives attacking single parents. Being a single parent doesn’t tell you the entire story. A loving environment is what matters.

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dirkdigglerjr  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:00:58pm

re: #283 jaunte

How about they just do away with the position to preserve their precious federal money?

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MsJ  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:01:28pm

This is some thread.

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William Lewis  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:01:40pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

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So THAT”s how they’re justifying their Pope bashing now?

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:02:01pm

re: #268 Skip Intro

Not said but understood. “If we find he cheats on his wife and ignores his kids we’ll know we’ve found our guy.”

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:02:28pm

re: #303 Barefoot Grin

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:03:07pm

re: #313 William Lewis

So THAT”s how they’re justifying their Pope bashing now?

Not the Pope per say but the chaplain Ryan just booted.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:04:03pm

re: #315 The Major

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If anything, this weakens Charlie’s argument. The welfare state has been less of a thing since 1965 but this dude’s a well documented idiot. He makes Shapiro and Crowder look almost kidna smart.

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William Lewis  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:04:21pm

re: #271 wheat-dogg

That would kind of eliminate Catholic priests from being chaplains.

I suppose I could try to get my Episcopalian priest, Father Art (married to a child psych, 2 children of their own, 4 adopted including 2 twin war orphans from Liberia). He’d be … qualified by that standard at lease and would not mind dropping a few anvils on them in his only prayer before they fired him in horror of seeing a real Christian.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:04:26pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

I see the Great Society ruined Black families claim a lot but never any proof to back it up.

It’s the same thing that has damaged white families in rural America — and urban America. Automation and off-shoring and increasing concentration of wealth. Also our becoming a “police” state at least where African Americans are concerned: giving too many a police record so that they are unable to find a good job.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:04:29pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

Sending strength and positive vibes your way.

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MsJ  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:05:11pm

re: #285 Skip Intro

I have a major personal problem that’s so personal I don’t want to tell you about it.

Just thought you’d like to know that I’m going through emotional hell right now.

Really sorry to hear that. I hope it all works out!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:05:25pm

The Great Society RUINED FAMILIES. Ignores that Nixon weakened it and Reagan pretty much killed it off.

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:06:31pm

ABL is on fire on The Twitter….

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:07:33pm

re: #313 William Lewis

The great Charles Pierce weighs in.

About a week later, Father Conroy said, he heard from the speaker’s office. “A staffer came down and said, We are upset with this prayer; you are getting too political,” he said. “It suggests to me that there are members who have talked to him about being upset with that prayer.” Shortly after, when he saw Mr. Ryan himself, Father Conroy said that the speaker told him, “Padre, you just got to stay out of politics.”

“That is what I have tried to do for seven years,” Father Conroy said. “It doesn’t sound political to me.” “If you are hospital chaplain, you are going to pray about health,” he added. “If you are a chaplain of Congress, you are going to pray about what Congress is doing.”

In case that deft riposte didn’t clue you in, Fr. Conroy is a Jesuit. Ryan can’t seem to learn the fundamental lesson that you do not fck with The Society. When he was employed as a millstone on the 2012 Republican presidential ticket, Ryan got crossways with the Jesuits at Georgetown, to his hilarious disadvantage. Since then, he’s been running his Concerned Conservative Catholic rap on any sucker who’ll listen, although his primary Scriptural sources still seem to come from the First Epistle of Paul to the Bagmen.

esquire.com

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EPR-radar  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:08:06pm

re: #318 William Lewis

I suppose I could try to get my Episcopalian priest, Father Art (married to a child psych, 2 children of their own, 4 adopted including 2 twin war orphans from Liberia). He’d be … qualified by that standard at lease and would not mind dropping a few anvils on them in his only prayer before they fired him in horror of seeing a real Christian.

“Sinners in the hands of an angry God” v 2.0 delivered to Congress and directed at the prosperity gospel heresy and other assorted GOP perversions would be glorious.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:08:52pm

It’s funny how Ryan never tells people like Falwell, Graham to stay out of politics but then again they fit his fucked up worldview.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:09:33pm
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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:10:19pm

re: #324 Skip Intro

Fr. Conroy is a Jesuit

You don’t mess with Holy Rome’s “shock troops”…..

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:11:06pm

re: #328 The Major

You don’t mess with Holy Rome’s “shock troops”…..

I’d take a Jesuit over a Southern Baptist asshole like Falwell or Graham any day.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:12:02pm

re: #315 The Major

[Embedded content]

I apologize for not reading entirely. ETA: or well.

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The Major  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:12:22pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

“Sinners in the hands of an angry God” v 2.0 delivered to Congress and directed at the prosperity gospel heresy and other assorted GOP perversions would be glorious.

Let’s remind everyone of “Sinner at the hands of an angry God” v1.0:

Archers “Bloody Mary prayer”

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Skip Intro  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:13:19pm

Does my new screen name make me look fat?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:13:23pm

Speaking of which, has Bill Donohue and the Catholic League said anything about this? They’re assholes but they have called out the right in the past when they act anti-Catholic.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:14:34pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Speaking of which, has Bill Donohue and the Catholic League said anything about this? They’re assholes but they have called out the right in the past when they act anti-Catholic.

Nope. Bill hates the Commie Marxist Pope,

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Charles Johnson  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:17:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:17:48pm

re: #334 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope. Bill hates the Commie Marxist Pope,

It’s not the Pope though. It was a Jesuit chaplain that Lyin Ryan canned.

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William Lewis  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:19:19pm

re: #324 First Epistle of Paul to the Bagmen

The great Charles Pierce weighs in.

esquire.com

Oh that’s great. Jesuits and Franciscans are the two best elements of that church. Good stuff.

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William Lewis  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:20:35pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

“Sinners in the hands of an angry God” v 2.0 delivered to Congress and directed at the prosperity gospel heresy and other assorted GOP perversions would be glorious.

I should pass that idea on to him… I could see him doing it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:23:05pm

re: #337 William Lewis

Oh that’s great. Jesuits and Franciscans are the two best elements of that church. Good stuff.

Do you know anything about the Holy Ghost Fathers? That was my Uncle’s order? Marcel Lefebvre of the Society of Pius infamy was in charge but my Uncle from what I’ve heard was pretty liberal minded.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:23:11pm

re: #288 dirkdigglerjr

He’s going to make a terrific House Majority Leader/Speaker/Senator/President in the future.

not President because he’s not eligible, but the rest…perhaps.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:24:26pm

re: #297 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Careful, we’re a bunch of millennials here. We don’t know what a Buick is.//////////

yeah…but you personally own a land yacht, which is pretty damned close.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:25:28pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

not President because he’s not eligible, but the rest…perhaps.

I like how he doesn’t take shit.

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petesh  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:26:45pm

re: #332 First Epistle of Paul to the Bagmen

Does my new screen name make me look fat?

I think the term is phat

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freetoken  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:30:56pm

America, 2018, rural Washington state style:

Letter: Globalism vs. Nationalism

Globalists believe that the welfare of mankind is ultimately best served by an educated elite ruling within One World Government in order to avoid major wars and catastrophic events. They support bigger controlling governments to that end, forcing one’s will upon others in that whatever is best for the whole overrides individual rights. They usually support open borders, Democrats, anti Second Amendment, atheism, evolution, situational ethics, and man’s wisdom over God’s.

Nationalists believe that the welfare of mankind is best served by independent nations competing against each other with mutual cooperation of free trade on a level playing field in order to bring out the best in everyone. They believe that the stronger benevolent nations can best keep any rogue nations in check that wish to distribute evil weapons of war and to make war. They are patriotic to their national interests and welfare over other nations. They usually support local and limited government, individual rights, closed borders with legal immigration, Second Amendment, creationism, and trusting in God and his absolute truths that never change.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and as a person’s power increases, usually their sense of morality decreases. Do you support Globalism or Nationalism?

LEE WALTER, WEST RICHLAND

So there you have it, you evolutionist globalists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 27, 2018 • 5:54:21pm

re: #332 First Epistle of Paul to the Bagmen

Does my new screen name make me look fat?

fat enough, hopefully, that the incels won’t want to fuck you.

and I say that in the very most positive good for you meaning.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 27, 2018 • 6:18:44pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Sorry man.

Big, huge virtual hug, Skip. This too shall pass.


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