The Bob Cesca Show: I Meant to Do That

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

I Meant To Do That — NSFW; Jacki Schechner is here from InvestigateRussia.org; Rudy Giuliani totally lost his shpadoinkle on Hannity; Giuliani blabs about Trump’s payoff to Stormy Daniels and refers to FBI agents as Nazi Stormtroopers; Giuliani could have implicated Trump in a federal crime; Trump and Giuliani running the show; The government tapped Michael Cohen’s phones; Michael Schmidt reports Trump and Cohen aren’t disclosing details to their own lawyers; Ukraine sold rockets in exchange for shutting out Mueller; Ty Cobb is out; Cambridge Analytica shuts down; and much more.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 4, 2018 • 3:22:23pm

Facebook Post

He has won the Moscow Piss Prize though.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 4, 2018 • 3:22:55pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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He has won the Moscow Piss Prize though.

Why… Why is this a thing? Are people THAT stupid?

…Okay, that was a stupid question.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 4, 2018 • 3:23:12pm
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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 3:24:29pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 4, 2018 • 3:24:42pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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OFFS.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 3:25:58pm

If Kanye had criticized Trump, D&S would be demanding he be taken off every radio station in the country.

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BigPapa  May 4, 2018 • 3:34:23pm

Damn another quake. Long one. Rocking and rollin out here on the Rock.

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 3:34:44pm

Do any of you know this movie:

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 3:36:22pm

re: #8 Belafon

…yes?

What of it?

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Varek Raith  May 4, 2018 • 3:36:53pm

re: #8 Belafon

Do any of you know this movie:

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Nice.
And yes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 4, 2018 • 3:36:55pm

I used to live maybe 250 meters from these apartments. Almost filled out an application when I move to Jacksonville. More than a few times I saw Cop cars lined up on multiple streets leading to the apartments preparing to raid the complex.
Hell, the summer 0f 2006 it was pretty regular to have police helicopters orbiting around the complex.
It improved quite a bit during the last few years I lived up the street from it.

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 3:37:25pm

re: #9 The Ghost of a Flea

…yes?

What of it?

It looks interesting and a bit cheesy. I was wondering if it’s worth a watch.

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Bubblehead II  May 4, 2018 • 3:37:59pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This has become SOP for the radical right and their supporters. Hold them accountable for their speech and you violating their 1A rights. They refuse to acknowledge that words have consequences and the 1A doesn’t protect an individual from those consequences.

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goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2018 • 3:38:26pm

re: #12 Belafon

It looks interesting and a bit cheesy. I was wondering if it’s worth a watch.

It’s got flying death balls so obviously.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 3:38:34pm
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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 3:39:44pm
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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 3:39:53pm

re: #13 Bubblehead II

This has become SOP for the radical right and their supporters. Hold them accountable for their speech and you violating their 1A rights. They refuse to acknowledge that words have consequences and the 1A doesn’t protect an individual from those consequences.

I particularly like seeing Kevin Williamson whine about how his free speech is being violated with an op-ed in the New York Times and Washington Post. I seriously have thought about penning an anonymous or with a pen name op-ed on the merits of Stalinism and submitting it to Kev’s old haunt of the NR and then when they inevitably turn me down crying that my free speech was violated.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2018 • 3:39:59pm

re: #13 Bubblehead II

This has become SOP for the radical right and their supporters. Hold them accountable for their speech and you violating their 1A rights. They refuse to acknowledge that words have consequences and the 1A doesn’t protect an individual from those consequences.

Most of these RWNJ imbeciles are too stupid to hide behind the First amendment to commit a perfect crime. Some do pull it off, such as Bill O’Reilly.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 3:40:01pm

I can recall it being cheesy.

Entertaining…ehhhhh…ask Varek. I saw it at a phase in my life where I’d watch anything. I recall it having cult cachet.

And GDF is right. Flying death balls are pretty dope.

Spheres balls. Not balls balls.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 4, 2018 • 3:40:55pm

re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea

I can recall it being cheesy.

Entertaining…ehhhhh…ask Varek. I saw it at a phase in my life where I’d watch anything. I recall it having cult cachet.

And GDF is right. Flying death balls are pretty dope.

Spheres balls. Not balls balls.

Space balls, perhaps?

//

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 3:41:25pm

re: #20 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s not that good.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 3:41:26pm

Free speech protects you from government punishment. That is you have the right to be a Nazi without fear of jail time but I can call you a Nazi prick who doesn’t deserve the time of day on the news.

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MsJ  May 4, 2018 • 3:41:30pm
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MsJ  May 4, 2018 • 3:41:49pm

re: #7 BigPapa

Damn another quake. Long one. Rocking and rollin out here on the Rock.

Be safe!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 4, 2018 • 3:41:57pm

re: #21 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s not that good.

IMO, Spaceballs is in the “so bad it’s good” category. Just to the left of Star Wars Holiday Special.

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Varek Raith  May 4, 2018 • 3:42:17pm

re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea

I can recall it being cheesy.

Entertaining…ehhhhh…ask Varek. I saw it at a phase in my life where I’d watch anything. I recall it having cult cachet.

And GDF is right. Flying death balls are pretty dope.

Spheres balls. Not balls balls.

I’ve seen the entire series. (‘79, ‘88, ‘94, ‘98 and ‘16)
Same cast throughout.
Cheesy as hell but I enjoyed it.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 3:43:20pm

re: #23 MsJ

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That shit disturbs the hell out of me.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 3:45:25pm

re: #25 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

IMO, Spaceballs is in the “so bad it’s good” category. Just to the left of Star Wars Holiday Special.

The dialogue where the villains obtain the VHS release of the movie to track down the heroes is a great comedy bit in the style of “Who’s on First?” but with time.

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Varek Raith  May 4, 2018 • 3:46:00pm

re: #28 The Ghost of a Flea

The dialogue where the villains obtain the VHS release of the movie to track down the heroes is a great comedy bit in the style of “Who’s on First?” but with time.

WHEN?!

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 3:46:11pm
“The answer to gun violence is not to take guns away, the answer is to strengthen the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens,” said Abbott during his brief speech to about 5,000 firearm enthusiasts. “The problem is not guns, it’s hearts without God.”

“…Videos that played for the audience in the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center prior to the speakers included NRA TV celebrities smashing a TV with a sledge hammer and threatening to torch a copy of the New York Times. Another compared journalists to lemons and was followed by an NRA TV personality blending the lemons into lemonade.”

texasobserver.org

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 3:46:54pm

re: #29 Varek Raith

This now now.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 3:47:16pm

Also…

“Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.”

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 3:47:48pm

re: #8 Belafon

Do any of you know this movie:

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Great movie. Yes, the flying death balls are memorable. They speed around through the air, and when they spot a target they extrude little buzz-saw appendages and slam into the victim’s forehead with them, then a drill emerges, drills into the poor sap’s head and pumps out all their blood.

When it originally came out this was some pretty freaky shit.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 3:52:47pm

re: #30 jaunte

Texas Governor Greg Abbott at NRA Convention: ‘The Problem is Not Guns, It’s Hearts Without God’


So I dropped a block of text about the NRA in the last thread.

And after that article, I stand by it: they’ll never agree to any “reasonable” measure, or even to scrutinize the problem, because they have embraced “cannot be wrong, can only be wronged” standard when it comes to lethal force.

If they do it, it will be justified, even heroic. Whoever they shoot will have deserved it. And anybody skeptical of that proposition is a threat.

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scottslemmons  May 4, 2018 • 3:54:33pm

re: #8 Belafon

Do any of you know this movie:

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BOY.

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 3:56:00pm

Thanks. It’s one of the movies that’s been remastered. Sounds like one to watch this weekend.

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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2018 • 3:59:07pm

re: #7 BigPapa

Last 15 minutes
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EPR-radar  May 4, 2018 • 4:00:37pm

re: #34 The Ghost of a Flea


So I dropped a block of text about the NRA in the last thread.

And after that article, I stand by it: they’ll never agree to any “reasonable” measure, or even to scrutinize the problem, because they have embraced “cannot be wrong, can only be wronged” standard when it comes to lethal force.

If they do it, it will be justified, even heroic. Whoever they shoot will have deserved it. And anybody skeptical of that proposition is a threat.

The NRA and most US gun nuts are very clearly on a path of ever-increasing radicalization. It is inevitable that getting the NFA of 1934 overturned by SCOTUS will openly become part of their agenda in due course. If/when they are significantly thwarted in their exercises of power, their violence will increase.

Even now, I think they basically view the Las Vegas shooter as some kind of hero. They pretend they want to be law abiding, but assert a constitutional right to have such an arsenal and to extensively fantasize about using it when “the shit hits the fan” without any concern for the fact that large scale indulgence in such malignant role-playing will lead to real-life incidents.

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jamesfirecat  May 4, 2018 • 4:04:39pm

re: #25 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

IMO, Spaceballs is in the “so bad it’s good” category. Just to the left of Star Wars Holiday Special.

So bad its good implies that something was trying to be good, but failed, and ended up becoming amusing because of the nature of its failure, like say that famous exchange from Castlevania Symphony of the Night….

Richter Belmont: Die, monster! You don’t belong in this world!
Dracula: It was not by my hand that I am once again given flesh. I was called here by…humans…who wished to pay me tribute!
Richter: Tribute!?! You steal men’s souls and make them your slaves!
Dracula: Perhaps the same could be said of all religions…
Richter: Your words are as empty as your soul! Mankind ill needs a savior such as you!
Dracula: What is a man?! A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk, HAVE AT YOU!!!

Spaceballs is a comedy, and I think its a successful, things like the Instant Cassettes (out in stores before the movie is finished!), Ludicrious speed, “Not if we jam it!”, Merchandising, Hello My Baby… Hello My Honey, they were intended to make people laugh and in turn they make me laugh.

I mean it’s not Mel Brook’s best movie, but Mel Brooks, is like pizza, even when its not great, it’s still pretty good.

With the exception of the Spaceballs cartoon which was flat out horrible, that’s the equivalent of putting pineapple on pizza.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 4:06:48pm

re: #38 EPR-radar

People talking themselves into the notion they’re facing an existential threat, while fantasizing about the totally-justified retaliatory violence they’ll dish out in porn-like detail.

Man, I haven’t used the word “revanchism” on here in awhile.

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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2018 • 4:10:01pm

Now a M 6.9 quake near Kalapana.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2018 • 4:11:26pm

Eating a bunch of ice cream because you have to is not as much fun as I thought it would be.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 4:17:29pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 4, 2018 • 4:18:10pm

Creeping Galloping Idiocracy alert:

New Trump Nominees to the White House Sports, Fitness & Nutrition Council: Dr. Oz (pseudoscience TV quack) and the Incredible Hulk. I shit you not, kids…

In 2014, a congressional panel questioned Oz over his promotion of weight-loss products on his television show.
“The scientific community is almost monolithic against you in terms of the efficacy of the three products you called ‘miracles,’” Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Missouri Democrat, said during the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation subcommittee hearing.
The following year, a group of doctors criticized him harshly, saying he manifested “an egregious lack of integrity” in his TV and promotional work and called his faculty position at Columbia University unacceptable.

The other appointee, actor Lou Ferrigno, is less of a quack but he is a member of the Maricopa County Volunteer Sheriff Posse, founded by Joe Arpaio “in order to help control illegal immigration in the Phoenix Valley.”

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BigPapa  May 4, 2018 • 4:18:38pm

re: #41 Single-handed sailor

Now a M 6.9 quake near Kalapana.

That one shook a long time. I’m 80 miles away.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2018 • 4:19:06pm

re: #41 Single-handed sailor

Now a M 6.9 quake near Kalapana.

That’s a big one. Hawaii may be facing a major change in its volcanic activity.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 4:20:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 4:20:40pm

dammit

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The Vicious Babushka  May 4, 2018 • 4:22:27pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

dammit

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Fuck.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 4:24:13pm
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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 4:24:32pm

re: #47 JordanRules

I think Democrats should consider ways to take over smaller states.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 4:26:06pm
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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 4:30:10pm

re: #51 Belafon

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I think Democrats should consider ways to take over smaller states.

I’d move for the right project.
We’ve got the felon disenfranchisement project to work on right now so that’s a start.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 4:31:22pm

She’s reporting from Toronto!

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 4:32:54pm
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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 4:38:32pm

I guess Trump is too busy to say anything about Hawaii.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 4, 2018 • 4:38:51pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I guess Trump is too busy to say anything about Hawaii.

He’s on his way to Mar-a-Lago and can’t be bothered.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 4:39:43pm
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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 4:40:55pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I guess Trump is too busy to say anything about Hawaii.

I think he’s still deciding whether HI should be put on the table for his NK deal.

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Dave In Austin  May 4, 2018 • 4:41:18pm

re: #41 Single-handed sailor

Now a M 6.9 quake near Kalapana.

Trumps gone on and pissed off Pele now.

We’re truly fucked

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 4:42:34pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I guess Trump is too busy to say anything about Hawaii.

He’s still riding his NRAgasm…

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 4:43:13pm

Oh my. LOL

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 4:45:34pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s still riding his NRAgasm…

That’s probably the case. He’ll have some dumb tweet about how great the NRA is and shit like that.

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Dave In Austin  May 4, 2018 • 4:48:19pm

re: #62 JordanRules

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goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2018 • 4:48:32pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 4, 2018 • 4:50:07pm

re: #64 Dave In Austin

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Possibly the first and only time where I have ever uttered (with sincerity) the phrase, “Thank God for the Internet.”

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 4:50:08pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

“Nauseated by hair style” is a new experience….

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 4:51:07pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

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I christen it Douchebag Monk.

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Barefoot Grin  May 4, 2018 • 4:52:04pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

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And he’s obnoxiously smart about sushi and sake.

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Charmingly Persistent  May 4, 2018 • 4:52:07pm

I’m hoping someone here has some ideas about questions designed to determine which political party someone favors.

My local Democratic party has an idea I like a lot: figure out which unaffiliated voters are dem-leaning and add them to our GOTV efforts. We already know about some of them (about 20% I think) but there are a lot of blanks.

So we would like to go ask them. But independents don’t want to be asked if they are dem-leaning. They get affronted and say they vote for the candidate, not the party. And we don’t want to be too confrontational either. A question about whether they favor a wall to keep out immigrants would probably work, but it would also cause unpleasant interactions. These are volunteers we asking to figure this out - they shouldn’t have to be yelled at unnecessarily.

So we would like to figure out some questions that are reasonably pleasant but pretty good at sorting out who will generally vote for Democrats. I feel like I have seen something like this before, but I am not finding it. Any ideas?

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Dave In Austin  May 4, 2018 • 4:52:49pm

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 4:56:41pm

re: #69 Barefoot Grin

…or believes himself to be….

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goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2018 • 4:58:02pm

re: #69 Barefoot Grin

And he’s obnoxiously smart about sushi and sake.

When you forgot your headband but need everyone to understand that you know karate.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2018 • 4:58:15pm

re: #70 Charmingly Persistent

I’m hoping someone here has some ideas about questions designed to determine which political party someone favors.

My local Democratic party has an idea I like a lot: figure out which unaffiliated voters are dem-leaning and add them to our GOTV efforts. We already know about some of them (about 20% I think) but there are a lot of blanks.

So we would like to go ask them. But independents don’t want to be asked if they are dem-leaning. They get affronted and say they vote for the candidate, not the party. And we don’t want to be too confrontational either. A question about whether they favor a wall to keep out immigrants would probably work, but it would also cause unpleasant interactions. These are volunteers we asking to figure this out - they shouldn’t have to be yelled at unnecessarily.

So we would like to figure out some questions that are reasonably pleasant but pretty good at sorting out who will generally vote for Democrats. I feel like I have seen something like this before, but I am not finding it. Any ideas?

Perhaps neutrally worded questions on what role (if any) the government should have on various issues (health care, regulation of business, environmental protections, etc.), one question per issue. I.e., policy questions like the wall question but which may be less of an immediate argument starter.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2018 • 4:59:18pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

That may be the worst hairstyle I’ve ever seen on a man, and I have seen pictures of Trump’s hair malfunctions.

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EPR-radar  May 4, 2018 • 5:01:26pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

When you forgot your headband but need everyone to understand that you know karate.

Only his SO knows what kind of hairstyle fashion statement he has down there.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 4, 2018 • 5:03:56pm

re: #76 EPR-radar

Only his SO knows what kind of hairstyle fashion statement he has down there.

I think you presume too much. Namely, that he even has an SO.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 4, 2018 • 5:04:10pm

re: #70 Charmingly Persistent

I’m hoping someone here has some ideas about questions designed to determine which political party someone favors.

My local Democratic party has an idea I like a lot: figure out which unaffiliated voters are dem-leaning and add them to our GOTV efforts. We already know about some of them (about 20% I think) but there are a lot of blanks.

So we would like to go ask them. But independents don’t want to be asked if they are dem-leaning. They get affronted and say they vote for the candidate, not the party. And we don’t want to be too confrontational either. A question about whether they favor a wall to keep out immigrants would probably work, but it would also cause unpleasant interactions. These are volunteers we asking to figure this out - they shouldn’t have to be yelled at unnecessarily.

So we would like to figure out some questions that are reasonably pleasant but pretty good at sorting out who will generally vote for Democrats. I feel like I have seen something like this before, but I am not finding it. Any ideas?

Why not initiate a conversation to ask them their opinion on certain topics: let them talk instead of initially presenting your ideas. For example, ask them how they feel about health care and what changes, if any, are needed in the current system. Perhaps ask them about taxes — big corporations — outsourcing or offshoring work , but all in a neutral way.

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KGxvi  May 4, 2018 • 5:11:46pm

re: #8 Belafon

Do any of you know this movie:

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No but I heard Ben Afflack was the bomb in it… oh wait, wrong movie

(nsfw language)

Jay and Silent bob Affleck was the bomb in phantoms yo!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 4, 2018 • 5:12:55pm

re: #71 Dave In Austin

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Hmmm, lot of stump here on the farm.

If I brought such an object in my house, though, my daughter would call for some kind of mental health intervention.

“Yeah, he’s so far gone now, he put an old stump in the living room and called it furniture.”

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 5:13:06pm
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Renaissance_Man  May 4, 2018 • 5:13:50pm

re: #70 Charmingly Persistent

I’m hoping someone here has some ideas about questions designed to determine which political party someone favors.

My local Democratic party has an idea I like a lot: figure out which unaffiliated voters are dem-leaning and add them to our GOTV efforts. We already know about some of them (about 20% I think) but there are a lot of blanks.

So we would like to go ask them. But independents don’t want to be asked if they are dem-leaning. They get affronted and say they vote for the candidate, not the party. And we don’t want to be too confrontational either. A question about whether they favor a wall to keep out immigrants would probably work, but it would also cause unpleasant interactions. These are volunteers we asking to figure this out - they shouldn’t have to be yelled at unnecessarily.

So we would like to figure out some questions that are reasonably pleasant but pretty good at sorting out who will generally vote for Democrats. I feel like I have seen something like this before, but I am not finding it. Any ideas?

Use questions that have the same trigger words that you would see in a Frank Luntz panel. They don’t have to be loaded questions, or even make a lot of sense, just use the right trigger words.

A question like, ‘do you support reduced health care costs and greater coverage at the price of an individual mandate to purchase health insurance’ or ‘do you favour expanded voting rights and hours’ will meet with broad support from everyone. But using specific words, like ‘do you support the public health insurance scheme broadly outlined by Barack Obama during his presidency’ will trigger people who belong to the cult. Similarly, using words like ‘Benghazi’, ‘Nancy Pelosi’, ‘standing for the anthem’ and worst of all, ‘Hillary Clinton’ will cause cult members to have immediate and noticeable reactions. The rest of the question can be something they have previously supported, or even be a random string of nonsense words, but using the words they have been trained to react to in a Pavlovian style will identify them.

This is not snark. This is precisely how you identify people who belong to the cult. This is what I do in my daily life in conversations and with potential social contacts.

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allegro  May 4, 2018 • 5:14:03pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

That may be the worst hairstyle I’ve ever seen on a man, and I have seen pictures of Trump’s hair malfunctions.

It occurred to me that he may be doing that peculiar style while he grows his hair out enough to do a Trumpover.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 5:14:23pm

Welcome to my world.

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gocart mozart  May 4, 2018 • 5:14:45pm
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KGxvi  May 4, 2018 • 5:15:11pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Is that Jesse Ventura?

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PhillyPretzel  May 4, 2018 • 5:16:29pm

Happy Star Wars Day. May the Force be with all of us here at LGF.

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BigPapa  May 4, 2018 • 5:18:07pm
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Romantic Heretic  May 4, 2018 • 5:20:02pm

re: #23 MsJ

Saw that this morning.

If I was an officer or NCO in The Corps I’d want that scumbag gone. There’s no way you could trust him in combat. You know he’d be unwilling to risk his life for non-white, non-Christian (or non-male) Marines.

He’d be a detriment to the unit.

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austin_blue  May 4, 2018 • 5:20:34pm

re: #38 EPR-radar

The NRA and most US gun nuts are very clearly on a path of ever-increasing radicalization. It is inevitable that getting the NFA of 1934 overturned by SCOTUS will openly become part of their agenda in due course. If/when they are significantly thwarted in their exercises of power, their violence will increase.

Even now, I think they basically view the Las Vegas shooter as some kind of hero. They pretend they want to be law abiding, but assert a constitutional right to have such an arsenal and to extensively fantasize about using it when “the shit hits the fan” without any concern for the fact that large scale indulgence in such malignant role-playing will lead to real-life incidents.

Gun Porn. Makes their little dicks stand right up.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 4, 2018 • 5:23:35pm
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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 5:24:54pm
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PhillyPretzel  May 4, 2018 • 5:24:58pm

re: #91 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ma’am You are a disgrace to your sex.

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Ace Rothstein  May 4, 2018 • 5:25:52pm

re: #91 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

In which an injunction will be filed immediately suspending it, so it can then make its way through the system and then Roe can be overturned. Fuck you, Jill Stein.

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 5:26:08pm

“Asked if he would resign, O’Donnell’s attorney, Mark Schoenhofer suggested he would not.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 4, 2018 • 5:27:32pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 4, 2018 • 5:28:06pm

re: #95 jaunte

“Michael always played a little fast and loose, but the seriousness of these charges, I don’t think anybody would have predicted this,” House Minority Leader Jim Ward, (D-Wichita) told The Wichita Eagle.

Why not? He’s a Republican.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 5:28:33pm

I do not agree with having to rate both of these bastard entities. Both radicalize and it’s dangerous and gross and all the things that most of us here at LGF know.
But, this is a LMAO take that relieves my pressure for a quick minute.
ROFL!!!

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Barefoot Grin  May 4, 2018 • 5:28:56pm

re: #95 jaunte

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“Asked if he would resign, O’Donnell’s attorney, Mark Schoenhofer suggested he would not.”

This is a Presidential pardon if I’ve ever seen one. /////

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Hecuba's daughter  May 4, 2018 • 5:34:04pm

re: #94 Ace Rothstein

In which an injunction will be filed immediately suspending it, so it can then make its way through the system and then Roe can be overturned. Fuck you, Jill Stein.

It’s not Jill Stein who was the problem. It was Bernie and his campaign which made too many voters identify Hillary as a corrupt warmonger.

(Of course there were a host of other villains who damaged her campaign)

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:34:30pm

re: #97 Ace Rothstein

“Michael always played a little fast and loose, but the seriousness of these charges, I don’t think anybody would have predicted this,” House Minority Leader Jim Ward, (D-Wichita) told The Wichita Eagle.

Why not? He’s a Republican.

People always want to give the bod to their colleagues.

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Ace Rothstein  May 4, 2018 • 5:35:26pm

re: #100 Hecuba’s daughter

The Jill Stein votes would’ve gone to Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:36:42pm

The thing that infuriates me about Stein is she still refuses to admit the danger Trump has inflicted. She continues to be full of self righteousness that there was no difference between Clinton and Trump.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 4, 2018 • 5:37:31pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

The thing that infuriates me about Stein is she still refuses to admit the danger Trump has inflicted. She continues to be full of self righteousness that there was no difference between Clinton and Trump.

She’s owned by the Russians and accomplished her goal.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 5:37:41pm

re: #102 Ace Rothstein

The Jill Stein votes would’ve gone to Clinton.

I’m not sure of that.

There is a burn-it-all-down quality to Steinism that resonates with Trumpism.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:37:56pm

BWS is you’re here. I’d like to apologize if I came off of minimizing the famine in Ireland. Was not my intention. Just to stress that European peasants with some exceptions had the freedom to move whereas slaves did not but I wasn’t thinking of raw economics.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:38:05pm

re: #104 Hecuba’s daughter

She’s owned by the Russians and accomplished her goal.

Yeah she is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 5:38:09pm

re: #70 Charmingly Persistent

Questions like this just shows how much we need (and miss!) Decatur Deb’s expertise in this area.
Beach Dem can also help, I’m certain.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:38:35pm

re: #105 freetoken

I’m not sure of that.

There is a burn-it-all-down quality to Steinism that resonates with Trumpism.

There’s also that with Sanderism too. Not a lot of room for pragmatism in either ideology.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 5:38:40pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It’s going to get worse. And that’s regardless of what happens in November. We need November to go exceedingly well to help fix it over the next generation though obviously.

But I’m certainly thinking about how to stay safer and react and act in a way that doesn’t obliterate my well-being at a faster clip.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 4, 2018 • 5:39:08pm

re: #102 Ace Rothstein

The Jill Stein votes would’ve gone to Clinton.

I don’t agree — those Bernie Bros who have “lock her up” signs were not going to support Hillary. They may have turned, instead, to Gary Johnson.

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 5:40:19pm

More Lubbock news:

“I would submit we’ve been drinking arsenic water around here for a heck of a long time without any adverse effect.”

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:40:47pm

re: #112 jaunte

More Lubbock news:

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“I would submit we’ve been drinking arsenic water around here for a heck of a long time without any adverse effect.”

Poor SK.

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Romantic Heretic  May 4, 2018 • 5:41:46pm

re: #95 jaunte

Who could have foreseen?

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:43:04pm

Stupid question but why does wire fraud and crime like that often carry such a heavy sentence?

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 5:43:57pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Guessing, but likely because the victims could be banks.

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 5:44:18pm

Do I really need to put an annoying message on my site to comply with the EU Privacy Directive? Waaah. This is fascism.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 5:44:40pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Stupid question but why does wire fraud and crime like that often carry such a heavy sentence?

Drugs

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:45:09pm

re: #118 JordanRules

Drugs

What of them? Wire fraud is financial. Oh you mean, wire fraud often involves the laudering of money for drugs. D’oh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 5:50:20pm

re: #118 JordanRules

Drugs

and money laundering

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 5:51:06pm

guessing nobody told him the trip was a bust…

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Ace Rothstein  May 4, 2018 • 5:51:45pm
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scottslemmons  May 4, 2018 • 5:52:00pm

re: #112 jaunte

More Lubbock news:

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“I would submit we’ve been drinking arsenic water around here for a heck of a long time without any adverse effect.”

I have been through Cochran County (population: 3,000) a few times. There ain’t much to do there for entertainment aside from chugging down arsenic and going insane.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 5:52:36pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

What of them? Wire fraud is financial.

Certain types of finances.
I was being half cute and thinking of the hook from a Lil Kim song.

But drugs and other illegal global industries… And as jaunte said in the first reply, that makes certain entities the victim and you go from there.

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Ace Rothstein  May 4, 2018 • 5:52:45pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hard for China? More like hard for Iowa since China is buying all their soybeans from Brazil now because of this orange jackass.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 5:55:18pm

re: #124 JordanRules

Certain types of finances.
I was being half cute and thinking of the hook from a Lil Kim song.

But drugs and other illegal global industries… And as jaunte said in the first reply, that makes certain entities the victim and you go from there.

Yeah brain fart there for me. Sounds right.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 4, 2018 • 5:55:28pm

re: #34 The Ghost of a Flea

Agreed in full.

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 6:01:08pm

“…the agreement may be implicit or shown by the action of “two or more guilty minds,” as required under common law. Examples of evidence of an implicit agreement can include the appearance of the co-defendants at transactions and negotiations in furtherance of the conspiracy such as a planning meeting.”
criminal.findlaw.com

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 6:01:58pm

re: #128 jaunte

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“…the agreement may be implicit or shown by the action of “two or more guilty minds,” as required under common law. Examples of evidence of an implicit agreement can include the appearance of the co-defendants at transactions and negotiations in furtherance of the conspiracy such as a planning meeting.”
criminal.findlaw.com

Lock him up.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 4, 2018 • 6:03:39pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Stupid question but why does wire fraud and crime like that often carry such a heavy sentence?

Threatens commerce. All hail the $

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Unshaken Defiance  May 4, 2018 • 6:07:59pm

That’s a big solution, not problem.

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austin_blue  May 4, 2018 • 6:10:05pm

re: #99 Barefoot Grin

This is a Presidential pardon if I’ve ever seen one. /////

My gaydar just started going WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:10:19pm

I’m dying here…

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prairiefire  May 4, 2018 • 6:11:12pm

re: #7 BigPapa

Damn another quake. Long one. Rocking and rollin out here on the Rock.

Stay safe! Our folks will probably have to evacuate. Is the air bad?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 4, 2018 • 6:16:14pm
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De Kolta Chair  May 4, 2018 • 6:16:57pm

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Charles Johnson  May 4, 2018 • 6:17:27pm
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Skip Intro  May 4, 2018 • 6:21:25pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Does he have a golf course nearby?

No? Then fuck them.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 6:21:49pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ve lost the plot (still waiting for a wall chart.) What impact will this Baker fellow retiring have on exposing Trump?

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 6:22:13pm

re: #139 freetoken

“Resign” I guess, not retire.

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austin_blue  May 4, 2018 • 6:22:40pm

Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
Just wondering if our so-called president has anything to say about magnitude 6.9 earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and lava flows driving hundreds of people out of their homes in the United States.
8:16 PM - May 4, 2018

It’s an island in there Pacific full of judges who don’t like his It’s Not A Muslim Muslim Ban.

What’s to say? Well, outside of “Suffer, you proles!”

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stpaulbear  May 4, 2018 • 6:23:00pm

re: #125 Ace Rothstein

Hard for China? More like hard for Iowa since China is buying all their soybeans from Brazil now because of this orange jackass.

Hard for MN farmers too. Two of the hardest hit districts in MN have voted blue, so they’ve got to be pissed as hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:23:14pm

still dying here…

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De Kolta Chair  May 4, 2018 • 6:24:23pm

Sam Glanzman, Kona, Monarch Of Monster Isle, 1964

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 4, 2018 • 6:24:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:26:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:27:45pm
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BeachDem  May 4, 2018 • 6:28:08pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

Questions like this just shows how much we need (and miss!) Decatur Deb’s expertise in this area.
Beach Dem can also help, I’m certain.

I’m thinking and pondering and checking…will be back when I have some good ideas.

Right now I’m distracted by a poll conducted about our gubernatorial race that is written “about” in every freaking newspaper in the state, but I can’t find the actual poll results. Pollster Target Insyght, says:

The poll was conducted April 3-5. It surveyed 800 likely primary voters, evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. Sarpolus said the responses were weighted according to counties that tend to have heavier turnout for one party or the other, as well as gender, age and race.

But I would REALLY like to see the actual questions and crosstabs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:29:03pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:30:44pm
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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 6:32:12pm
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Chad Thundercock  May 4, 2018 • 6:33:07pm

re: #8 Belafon

A little late, but Phantasm is a great little movie, one of the best horror films of the 70s (though it is cheap)

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 6:33:33pm
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De Kolta Chair  May 4, 2018 • 6:37:30pm

Ann Telnaes

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 6:40:20pm

re: #151 JordanRules

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Doh.

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William Lewis  May 4, 2018 • 6:40:59pm
For nearly two decades, Steven and Jean Lopez were the undisputed champions of USA Taekwondo. Steven Lopez is the most decorated athlete in the sport, with three Olympic medals — including two golds — and five World Championship titles to his name. His brother, Jean, was the Olympic coach for more than a decade. As the brothers racked up victories, however, allegations swirled that they had assaulted women, in some cases minor children. Jean Lopez was banned from the sport last month for “a decades-long pattern of sexual misconduct.”

4 Accusers Sue Taekwondo Champion Brothers For Alleged Sexual Abuse

Taekwondo, swimming, skating, gymnastics and all the rest. When are people going to wake up and understand that the Olympics are utterly, completely, and hopelessly corrupt? That there is NO way to fix it? That what the US needs to do is pull out of the Olympics completely and permanently? The thieves and mobsters need to be stopped but most people just don’t seem to understand that…

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makeitstop  May 4, 2018 • 6:43:31pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 4, 2018 • 6:47:49pm

re: #157 makeitstop

I don’t care whether the orange menace fucked her or not. I do care that he lied about it, and I especially care where the fuck the money came from.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:49:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:52:20pm

O_o

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 6:52:26pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Some more interesting folks, including Darth Hoodie…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 4, 2018 • 6:54:49pm
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BeachDem  May 4, 2018 • 6:57:13pm

re: #132 austin_blue

My gaydar just started going WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!

I was getting more of a Damien from the Omen vibe.

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 7:01:53pm

re: #156 William Lewis

4 Accusers Sue Taekwondo Champion Brothers For Alleged Sexual Abuse

Taekwondo, swimming, skating, gymnastics and all the rest. When are people going to wake up and understand that the Olympics are utterly, completely, and hopelessly corrupt? That there is NO way to fix it? That what the US needs to do is pull out of the Olympics completely and permanently? The thieves and mobsters need to be stopped but most people just don’t seem to understand that…

Because there are a whole lot of people that train really hard for this that have nothing to do with these people, or have put up with them to achieve what they did. Should we shut down America because people like Trump exist?

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 7:03:33pm

re: #161 JordanRules

Some more interesting folks, including Darth Hoodie…

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Obama had Mr. Rooney. Nuff said.

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William Lewis  May 4, 2018 • 7:03:50pm

re: #164 Belafon

Because there are a whole lot of people that train really hard for this that have nothing to do with these people, or have put up with them o achieve what they did. Should we shut down America because people like Trump exist?

The ones who work that hard are getting what while giving riches to the corrupt?

If you want, replace it. But the Olympics itself will never be worth anything. It is easily as corrupt as the Trump administration and has been for decades.

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 7:07:57pm

re: #166 William Lewis

The ones who work that hard are getting what while giving riches to the corrupt?

If you want, replace it. But the Olympics itself will never be worth anything. It is easily as corrupt as the Trump administration and has been for decades.

Shutting it down won’t punish the rich, only thiose athletes who won’t have that kind of venue.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 4, 2018 • 7:10:56pm
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wheat-dogg  May 4, 2018 • 7:11:17pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

guessing nobody told him the trip was a bust…

What he said makes no sense at all.

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wheat-dogg  May 4, 2018 • 7:14:03pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

My cuz lives in Waimea (sp?) and said the last quake was a doozy. Made her pictures on the wall do loop-de-loops. But she had no major problems. Waimea is on the other side of the island from volcano, though.

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William Lewis  May 4, 2018 • 7:14:47pm

re: #167 Belafon

Shutting it down won’t punish the rich, only thiose athletes who won’t have that kind of venue.

< …>

I’m going to not go any further on this. It’s a been a truly shit week for me and it only got far worse today when my paycheck was far less than half of what I expected.

Have a good night lizards.

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calochortus  May 4, 2018 • 7:15:50pm

re: #171 William Lewis

< …>

I’m going to not go any further on this. It’s a been a truly shit week for me and it only got far worse today when my paycheck was far less than half of what I expected.

Have a good night lizards.

Sorry to hear that.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 7:18:29pm

re: #168 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He’s a tough old bird. Full recovery Mr. President

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 7:19:13pm

Are we great again yet?

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 7:19:45pm
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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2018 • 7:20:07pm

I bet Uncle Billy’s in Hilo was rocking.

INCREDIBLE! 6.9 Earthquake moment in Hilo, Hawaii | May 4, 2018

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wheat-dogg  May 4, 2018 • 7:21:13pm

re: #174 freetoken

Are we great again yet?

Personally, I’m doing great. Not sure about the US of A, though.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 7:35:23pm

We can criticize Trump for elevating Dr. Oz to a government position, but in reality America already made Dr. Oz much more wealthy than he has any right to be.

Trump is playing the ignorant. Now, you may claim that Trump is ignorant himself. Yes, but that doesn’t mean he can’t figure out that his base swallow woo easily.

Trump did not make America.

America made Trump.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 7:35:56pm

re: #178 freetoken

We can criticize Trump for elevating Dr. Oz to a government position, but in reality America already made Dr. Oz much more wealthy than he has any right to be.

Trump is playing the ignorant. Now, you may claim that Trump is ignorant himself. Yes, but that doesn’t mean he can’t figure out that his base swallow woo easily.

Trump did not make America.

America made Trump.

Yes.

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JordanRules  May 4, 2018 • 7:35:58pm

The campaign was a hot mess.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 7:44:07pm

re: #180 JordanRules

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The campaign was a hot mess.

God I hope Beto beats him.

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 7:45:20pm
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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 7:47:06pm

re: #171 William Lewis

That sucks.

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 7:52:28pm

re: #175 jaunte

As noted in the article, this only affected the announcement of the results, since the voting system itself is offline. An attack like that, here in Texas, could affect determining who is eligible.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 7:58:29pm

The only good thing about the past year of hot weather is that my heating bill was only significant for a couple of months.

It was hot today. Loquats look bad. Haven’t checked the neighborhood’s fig trees yet, but I suspect the early fruit is being rushed.

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prairiefire  May 4, 2018 • 8:05:48pm

re: #176 Single-handed sailor

I bet Uncle Billy’s in Hilo was rocking.

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Video

The house looks like Uncle T’s neighborhood in Hilo. Love the auntie saving the good china in the cabinet!

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 8:15:02pm
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makeitstop  May 4, 2018 • 8:15:24pm

Slap fight! Slap fight!!

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 8:16:37pm

re: #188 makeitstop

Slap fight! Slap fight!!

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He’s serious about keeping anyone from investigating Trump.

Edited

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 8:18:59pm
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fern01  May 4, 2018 • 8:20:07pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He’s on his way to Mar-a-Lago and can’t be bothered.

Brought to you by another “If Obama had done this” moment.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 8:20:09pm

re: #188 makeitstop

Slap fight! Slap fight!!

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Laura, meet Devin.

Devin, meet Laura.

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jaunte  May 4, 2018 • 8:21:27pm

re: #188 makeitstop

It really is incredible how incurious/lazy he is about the one job he has.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 8:21:56pm

re: #193 jaunte

It really is incredible how incurious/lazy he is about the one job he has.

Lazy? Or complicit.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 4, 2018 • 8:24:02pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

Lazy? Or complicit.

Yes.

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fern01  May 4, 2018 • 8:24:42pm

re: #91 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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A woman who hates on other women. Just what is needed for a Governor

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 8:26:12pm

re: #195 Unshaken Defiance

Yes.

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Yeah I don’t understand most of what he’s talking about most of the time. I told my boss the other day, Trump says a little by saying a lot. That’s exhibit Z.

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goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2018 • 8:26:33pm

Things are going SUPER thanks for asking!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 4, 2018 • 8:27:16pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

For a Radio Station to stop playing @kanyewest music because of his views is a violation of his First Amendment Rights. You can’t just silence someone because you don’t like their Free Speech. Thoughts?

Scares me that this view seems to be prevalent.

Onion had it nailed ages ago:

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

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fern01  May 4, 2018 • 8:30:49pm

re: #95 jaunte

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“Asked if he would resign, O’Donnell’s attorney, Mark Schoenhofer suggested he would not.”

Sounds like the president* - charges have a familiar ring to them as well.

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wheat-dogg  May 4, 2018 • 8:32:48pm

Anybody know some smart college students who would be interested in engineering projects at U of Alabama/Huntsville? There’s grant money available. Check out this video and share with them.

Ion Thrusters, 3D Printed Metals, and UAV Butterflies - Smarter Every Day 193

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goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2018 • 8:37:21pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

Things are going SUPER thanks for asking!

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Eventual Carrion  May 4, 2018 • 8:38:02pm

re: #145 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah, I heard this morning that we were going to go up and stick a thermometer up Mars’ ass.

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HappyWarrior  May 4, 2018 • 8:38:08pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

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Can’t unsee that.

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fern01  May 4, 2018 • 8:39:33pm

re: #138 Skip Intro

Does he have a golf course nearby?

No? Then fuck them.

This was Obama territory - not part of the USA

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 8:43:27pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 4, 2018 • 8:49:41pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

Hi.

My name is Don Blankenship. I’m taking a moment from sleeping amongst pizza boxes to tell you about my candidacy.

China people. Negros. Cocaine McConnell. Baby radishes. Dog knuckles.

If none of that make sense to you…fuck it…I don’t really care. I’ve got enough money that I don’t have to care. Hell, I killed 30 men, why would you expect me to talk like a grammar knowing person, let alone someone who cares about the delicate feelings of the mud people and the lesser white varieties?

And 50% don’t even care. I could be a decapitated horse—like this one I have right here that I’m resting my scrotum on—and you’d vote for me ‘cause I can blame the black guy real good. 25% I’ll promise the rest of you coal mining jobs…for a lifetime. Sorry…a “lifetime.”

Heh.

And the rest of you think I’m that guy that was ringside for the Undertaker…wait, no, I mean I’m totally that guy. Plastic emancipation. Pork flowers. Deuteronomics.

I’m Don Blankenship, and I approved this fucking ad. Wait…is that a piece of dried mozzarella? It’s fucking mine….

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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2018 • 8:55:21pm

Every time I look at the Hawaii quake map there’s more.

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prairiefire  May 4, 2018 • 9:01:05pm

re: #208 Single-handed sailor

My husband and kids are planning to go see the grandparents in Puna in July, but they might have been evacuated by then. Maybe they can help them move.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 9:01:59pm

re: #208 Single-handed sailor

Flowing rock.

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Belafon  May 4, 2018 • 9:02:48pm
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teleskiguy  May 4, 2018 • 9:17:01pm

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wheat-dogg  May 4, 2018 • 9:31:58pm

re: #212 teleskiguy

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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 9:34:32pm

re: #211 Belafon

LOL. The French cuisine version of the movie “Eating Raoul.”

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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2018 • 9:40:23pm

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹

LOL. The French cuisine version of the movie “Eating Raoul.”

My favorite cult movie, next to Harold and Maude. Raoul grew up to become Chakotay in Star Trek: Voyager.

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teleskiguy  May 4, 2018 • 9:54:21pm
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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 10:07:38pm

There’s some research that was put online yesterday, and precipitated a mention or two on the internet today, that is of relevance to the popular topic of LGF (i.e., Trump and his followers.)

But before I get to that, maybe early this morning, I thought I’d drop the following video, the recent Youtube posting from “60 Symbols” which is a Brit outlet for physicists that is popular and covers a lot of hot topics in physics.

This video talks about “the” scientific method, and in reference to a paper by Sean Carroll earlier this year.

Falsifiability and Messy Science - Sixty Symbols

I have a few issues with the presenter’s manner of explaining things (like I find all too common with British scientists, they don’t seem aware that everything they say can and will be used against them.) Still, it is an important issue and one which our lay public can be totally confused over.

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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2018 • 10:33:29pm

re: #216 teleskiguy

What feeds Pu’u O’o has now broken through old lava tube barriers and is draining out to the east rift.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 10:37:45pm

The GOP is getting dragged on Twitter.

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teleskiguy  May 4, 2018 • 10:43:01pm

Some country music:

You Can Have the Crown

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Jason Munro  May 4, 2018 • 10:43:32pm

re: #217 freetoken

Interesting, thanks for sharing this. Interpreting science is messy because humans are messy. I agree. The idea that the scientific method (capital T, S and M, from the video), is incorrect because we are messy humans - I’m not buying that so much. There were interesting points about how societal influences could impact the result of an experiment’s conclusion. But nothing in this interview (for me) supported the idea that the scientific method is flawed.

The concept of falsifiability (sp?) is neat. Disproving a hypothesis is sometimes as valuable as proving one.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 10:44:31pm

Tammy Lampshade is also getting dragged on Twitter for demanding “big government” interfere in the free market …

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MsJ  May 4, 2018 • 10:49:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 10:51:12pm
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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 10:55:30pm

re: #221 Jason Munro

The concept of falsifiability (sp?) is neat. Disproving a hypothesis is sometimes as valuable as proving one.

In traditional (e.g. Popper) ideas of science, disproving a hypothesis is exactly what science does. “Proving” is often not attempted as it can not be tractable.

Still, that video is about broadening the understanding of science. The topic of Carroll’s paper came about because of the problem of the multiverse (namely, whether such a proposition is “scientific” or not) in cosmology.

I think the presenter of that video is a bit too lazy and careless in his words. Still, the idea that is important is that science proper cannot be put into a neat Popperian box.

I for one find little reason to believe in the multiverse. I’ve posted quite a bit a few weeks ago about problems in cosmology, how many people don’t really grasp the idea of the observable universe, and how that is problematic.

Put simply - it is unfounded (because it is arbitrary) to think that the universe is limited to our observable (in space-time) horizon. However, it does not follow that we must then embrace the multiverse as such idea is often described in the popular media.

So the multiverse problem led Carroll to ponder more broadly about what science is today, what it really means for something to be true in science.

This I’ll bring up again if I get around to writing one of my morning missives, on some new social-science research on “fake news”.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 10:57:13pm

My regional paper has an article today about the Democratic candidate seeking to unseat Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyo).

starherald.com (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

As someone pointed out here a few days ago, the idea of running on “they’re running for their wealthy benefactors and not you” was one of the best-received potential messages for a candidate. He is running specifically on that.

TORRINGTON, Wyo. — Democrat Gary Trauner met with Goshen County residents on Thursday at the Java Jar during a stop in his campaign for the U.S. Senate.

He is seeking to replace incumbent Republican Senator John Barrasso for the seat. Barrasso has held the seat since 2007. He will also be running against independent candidate David Dodson.

Trauner said he is running in the hopes of breaking up the deadlock of modern politics in Washington D.C. The state’s current congressmen, he said, focus on helping themselves and their supporters to the detriment and against the wishes of their constituents.

“They’re being supported by Wall Street,” he said. “They’re getting their money from corporate entities and that’s what they support.”

He pointed out policies that give lower tax rates to New York businessmen and that deny Medicare the ability to negotiate drug prices.

“I would argue that literally nobody in Wyoming (supports them),” he said, “except for our federal delegation.”

He also pointed to the 2017 tax bill, which he said gave temporary tax cuts to the middle class while giving permanent cuts to the wealthy.

(more)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 4, 2018 • 11:05:01pm

re: #207 The Ghost of a Flea

Grifters like this make the 18th century French aristocrats look like paragons of sensitivity and self-awareness. Nevertheless, I completely, seriously oppose any attempt to re-institute mass guillotinings. I will do my best to prevent it. In the unfortunate event that my efforts fail, though, I will make every effort to push this asshole to the front of the line.

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MsJ  May 4, 2018 • 11:05:09pm

What’s up with Fox News? They seem…agitated with trump.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 11:05:27pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

Well, good luck to him, but I think he has an uphill climb against the social conservatism of the right wing.

Sure, Wyoming is not Louisiana. Still, the idea that abortion is the ultimate sin for a nation, that the gun is a god’s greatest gift to mankind, etc., is going to exist anywhere Republicans now have a stronghold.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 11:05:28pm

Gary Trauner would be considered to the right of much of the Democratic Party, but a flamin’ liberal in Wyoming. (Pragmatism rules politics in this area if you want to win as a Democrat.)

He feels that Wyoming should lead the nation in crafting sensible gun safety regulations. That would be something to see.

If you wish to throw him a few bucks to make Sen. Barrasso sweat and fight an actual campaign on why he supported the Tax Scam and other Republican wealth-redistribution, his Website is below.

traunerforwy.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 11:07:16pm

re: #230 freetoken

Well, good luck to him, but I think he has an uphill climb against the social conservatism of the right wing.

Sure, Wyoming is not Louisiana. Still, the idea that abortion is the ultimate sin for a nation, that the gun is a god’s greatest gift to mankind, etc., is going to exist anywhere Republicans now have a stronghold.

Democrats can’t win if they don’t run.

Republican candidates might feel that abortion is evil compared to food stamps, but not all voters feel that way.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 11:09:29pm

For reference, here is Carroll’s article from January. It’s part of a forthcoming book from Cambridge, Epistemology of Fundamental Physics: Why Trust a Theory?

It’s not mired in mathematics and I think most people will find it readable enough:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 11:11:14pm

From Mr. Trauner’s Website:

Regardless of your party affiliation, it should be clear that Wyoming’s incumbent Senator up for re-election in 2018 has had nearly 10 years to do something - anything - to benefit Wyoming and fix a broken system. Unfortunately, we now know he puts big donors first and will never be that guy. He’s a doctor who wants to take affordable access to healthcare away from millions of hard-working Americans. He’s a politician who wants New York hedge-fund managers to pay a lower tax rate than Wyoming teachers, miners and ranchers. We need to shake things up in DC. People in Wyoming voted for that type of change in 2016 and there is no reason to stop now.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 11:13:00pm

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

I’m probably far too radical for Wyoming.

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goddamnedfrank  May 4, 2018 • 11:16:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 11:16:57pm

re: #235 freetoken

I’m probably far too radical for Wyoming.

I’m too radical for near-beer Wyoming (the Nebraska Panhandle) but I managed to get reëlected by four votes four years ago.

It’s possible if the messages are framed correctly. Mr Trauner is doing quite a good job of painting Sen. Barrasso as a representative of hedge funds and banks, rather than Wyoming residents.

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I cannot.  May 4, 2018 • 11:38:24pm
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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2018 • 11:39:26pm

There’s no hope for those of us growing up in California. We don’t fit in anywhere. Even Oregon doesn’t want us, and they’re hippies.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 4, 2018 • 11:41:05pm

re: #239 Single-handed sailor

There’s no hope for us growing up in California. We don’t fit in anywhere. Even Oregon doesn’t want us, and they’re hippies.

Well, maybe hippies on the coast of Oregon … there were plenty of so-called sagebrush rebels who supported the Talibanjo taking over a wildlife refuge.

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ericblair  May 4, 2018 • 11:47:18pm

re: #238 I cannot.

This stuff has happened for thousands of years, but few people were around to see it, now we have twitter to show this stuff from around the world in real-time, and YouTube to archive it.

Since the start of the age of ubiquitous cameras, there seem to be a lot fewer alien anal probe encounters then expected and a lot more police abuse.

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freetoken  May 4, 2018 • 11:53:41pm

re: #242 ericblair

Since the start of the age of ubiquitous cameras, there seem to be a lot less alien anal probe encounters then expected and a lot more police abuse.

Funny how that works.

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Single-handed sailor  May 4, 2018 • 11:55:22pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

Well, maybe hippies on the coast of Oregon … there were plenty of so-called sagebrush rebels who supported the Talibanjo taking over a wildlife refuge.

When I went to Oregon for the Eclipse, I enjoyed my time in the city of Bend, but that could be because it was my first time in a cannabis store. They were really nice people.

Plug for Miracle Greens.

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BigPapa  May 4, 2018 • 11:56:08pm

Amazing that some chump pseudo rapper/DJ/producer boasts that he don’t pleasure the ladies and he’s getting mocked and trashed for it.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 12:02:17am

Devin Nunes (R-Calif) calling for the arrest of former Secretary of State John Kerry under the Logan Act.

He was referring to a tweet by a Boston Globe reporter:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 12:03:45am

re: #244 Single-handed sailor

When I went to Oregon for the Eclipse, I enjoyed my time in the city of Bend, but that could be because it was my first time in a cannabis store. They were really nice people.

Plug for Miracle Greens.

I wonder what the eclipse would have been like with the benefit of maryjane?

I only traveled to my side yard.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 12:05:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 12:10:55am

re: #248 JordanRules

The payment was made to resolve a personal and false allegation in order to protect the president’s family,” Giuliani said in a statement released Friday. “It would have been done in any event, whether he was a candidate or not.”

because a man who brags in interviews about about grabbing ‘em by the pussy and moving on her like a bitch is worried about protecting his family

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 12:20:04am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because a man who brags in interviews about about grabbing ‘em by the pussy and moving on her like a bitch is worried about protecting his family

Any lie in a pinch.

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Single-handed sailor  May 5, 2018 • 12:25:56am

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹

I wonder what the eclipse would have been like with the benefit of maryjane?

I only traveled to my side yard.

It was great! My daughter and I sat in lawn chairs on some hill outside Madras, OR.

44.618N 121.2416W

I still can’t get over the color palette involved in the eclipse. Not your every day color palette. Something outside normal.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 12:30:08am

re: #251 Single-handed sailor

It was great! My daughter and I sat in lawn chairs on some hill outside Madras, OR.

44.618N 121.2416W

I still can’t get over the color palette involved in the eclipse. Not your every day color palette. Something outside normal.

I sat here (my yard).
google.com

The eclipse was quite interesting. I’ve only been in one total eclipse before (in Virginia Beach), and it clouded up just before the eclipse.

My wife has seen two total eclipses (the other in Illinois as a child).

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Single-handed sailor  May 5, 2018 • 12:35:53am

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹

This is from Google Earth with the eclipse path database.

Local Eclipse Info
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Single-handed sailor  May 5, 2018 • 12:49:08am

edit

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Single-handed sailor  May 5, 2018 • 12:50:05am

I forget the last count but I think this is more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 12:51:23am

God is mad at Hawaii for contesting the immigration ban.

/

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 1:14:51am

re: #253 Single-handed sailor

This is from Google Earth with the eclipse path database.

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We were on the south edge of totality. Nevertheless, we had over a thousand people from out of town in the park across the street to observe the eclipse.

We could have gone up to Alliance, but it was a cluster … Carhenge was overwhelmed, and on top of that someone called in a threat just before the eclipse.

One of the members of our village board was tasked with going up and down US-385 after the eclipse between our county seat and Alliance with gasoline cans for stranded motorists. The traffic jam out of Alliance lasted well into the evening.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 1:26:00am

Taken from my yard during the eclipse (forgive the fact I own a cheap digital camera):

Pinhole projector of partial eclipse with a vegetable steamer
Total Eclipse Broadwater Nebr.
Partial Eclipse in Broadwater Nebr
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Single-handed sailor  May 5, 2018 • 1:32:41am

re: #258 Anymouse 🌹

Yeah, the traffic jam sucked. My daughter did some good google map navigating and got us around traffic on back roads south of Bend.

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 1:35:49am

re: #221 Jason Munro

Interesting, thanks for sharing this. Interpreting science is messy because humans are messy. I agree. The idea that the scientific method (capital T, S and M, from the video), is incorrect because we are messy humans - I’m not buying that so much. There were interesting points about how societal influences could impact the result of an experiment’s conclusion. But nothing in this interview (for me) supported the idea that the scientific method is flawed.

The concept of falsifiability (sp?) is neat. Disproving a hypothesis is sometimes as valuable as proving one.

There’s a famous null result from physics that is a good example: the Michelson-Morley experiment of 1887. Michelson and Morley were convinced that the speed of light as measured from the moving Earth would be different depending on the relative direction of the light beam to the Earth’s orbital motion. They designed an ingenious apparatus to measure minute differences in the speed of light (the interferometer), and after many attempts found NO differences at all. Big puzzler.

Then Einstein in 1905 publishes his first relativity paper, which in part says, “Oh the speed of light is invariant. Everybody no matter how fast they are moving — or in what direction — will measure the same speed of light.” So, the M-M experiment verified Einstein’s postulate years before Einstein published it!

Interestingly, Einstein claimed he was not aware of the Michelson-Morley experiment before he published in 1905. It was only after that colleagues told him about it.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 1:40:11am

re: #260 Single-handed sailor

Yeah, the traffic jam sucked. My daughter did some good google map navigating and got us around traffic on back roads south of Bend.

From Alliance they could have come directly south to here, but you won’t find our county roads on GPS devices and there is no Internet service for sixty miles. (Only locals used the dirt road from Alliance to here.)

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 1:43:57am

re: #256 Single-handed sailor

I forget the last count but I think this is more.

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Earlier I said my cuz lives in Waimea. Wrong. It’s Kamuela, but still far from the volcano.

This cousin I may have mentioned before. She was the “mystery cousin” who disappeared from view for close to 30 years. Two of us managed to track her down finally only a few months ago. Phone calls were unsuccessful — she lives in a senior citizens community and the office people were not being especially helpful. My cousin B wrote her a letter, which was delivered, and about two months later, she called him up.

I’ve talked to her twice in the last week for about 90 minutes each. She’s 73 but still as sharp as a tack, and as talkative and opinionated as I remember.

Say what you will about those “people search” websites, sometimes they can be used for good as well as evil.

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freetoken  May 5, 2018 • 1:53:43am

Ok, here we go:

On the 3rd the following showed up on SSRN:

Reduced Analytic and Actively Open-Minded Thinking Help to Explain the Link between Belief in Fake News and Delusionality, Dogmatism, and Religious Fundamentalism

Delusion-prone individuals may be more likely to accept even delusion-irrelevant implausible ideas because of their tendency to engage in less analytic and actively open-minded thinking. Consistent with this suggestion, two online studies with over 1000 participants demonstrated that delusion-prone individuals display an increased belief in fake news, which often features implausible content, and that this increase was partially explained by cognitive style. Exploratory analyses showed that dogmatic individuals and religious fundamentalists were also more likely to believe fake news, and that these relationships were fully explained by cognitive style. Our findings suggest that existing interventions on analytic and actively open-minded thinking might be leveraged to help prevent the deleterious effects of belief in fake news.

Then yesterday (4th) someone who follows the issues of fake news blogged about it:

People who are delusional, dogmatic, or religious fundamentalists are more likely to believe fake news

[…]

It seems as if this paper could cause a lot of people to…get very angry very fast. I asked Rand [one of the authors] to go over the biggest caveats with me — what he thinks people should definitely keep in mind before drawing big conclusions. Here’s his email back to me:

(i) Correlation vs causation — We definitely can’t (and aren’t trying) to say that being delusional, dogmatic, or a religious fundamentalist causes you to believe fake news. What we definitely are saying is that these things tend to co-occur. In terms of what causes what, we can’t say anything definitive. What we do is provide circumstantial (correlational mediation) evidence that supports a story whereby being less open-minded/reflective leads simultaneously to all of these things — delusionality, believing fake news, being dogmatic, and being a religious fundamentalist — and explains some/all of why they are correlated with each other.

(ii) The size of the correlations isn’t huge. That is, it’s not like “Oh, you scored highly on the delusionality scale, so that means you’ll believe all fake news headlines” or “oh, you are a religious fundamentalist, so you’ll believe all fake news headlines.” But at the same time, the correlations aren’t nothing.

[…]

The blogger, to make the point that the effects (of the impact of such things as a tendency towards delusional thinking making one accept “fake news”), includes the following diagrams from the paper (which you can download at the SSRN site):

Image: 1.png
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The point being that there is a statistically significant correlation but the differences between people are indeed small.

However…

I propose that there exists some deeply missed points by simply looking at correlation statistics (in this case the researchers used Spearman’s rank correlation coefficient, which may be all they could use, but it simply is a measure of whether a monotonic relationship exists and I propose that the human qualities being explored will not necessarily form monotonic relationships with each other.)

Namely, that the results of the research don’t really tell us what is not obvious, and that other researchers have already (or are in the process of exploring) the extent of delusional thinking on accepting whether a story is true or not.

One can read in the methods section how the researchers did a trial run, then two runs with different groups of people. However, the first thought that crossed my mind is if the people being tested were also being trained while undergoing multiple tests. I think there is a real problem of feedbacks popping up here. That is, by giving multiple tests, a subject may after taking the first test be modified just slightly when they take the next test, etc.

Anyway, it’s not a peer reviewed paper and I wonder how much of it will stand up to peer review.

And, I think there are some more direct approaches to understanding why some people buy into false stories more so than other people. Namely, to monitor a subject and actively given them information and see how they change over time.

Still, my biggest concern about these kind of studies, which trumpet the subject of “fake news”, is that the academics are unwittingly reifying the likes of Trump. Cries of “FAKE NEWS!” were not so common before Trump made that phrase mainstream.

By repeating the idea that “fake news” is a real thing, rather than calling false stories as simply that - false information - the need for people to selectively hear what they want to will lead to a vicious cycle.

This is the problem of headlines - if that is all people read, that is all they will know. And, since people read the headline first, their immediate impression based only on the headline can influence how they interpret the body of the story, should they choose to read the body.

These problems about empirically studying humans are not new to social scientists of course. Libraries are filled with discussions of the problems of evaluating people.

So I caution, if over the next few days this study (or others like it which are being undertaken) get put into the headlines of major outlets for the lay person, there is a great likelihood that all the nuances will be lost.

After looking at how the election propaganda affected my own Facebook stream, it is pretty clear that the entire process is one of manipulated reification. People were told what they wanted to believe, and that is why they believed it.

This is something the above study doesn’t really include, because for all the tests that were done, none were really focused on human desires.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 1:59:01am

re: #264 freetoken

Crank Magnetism (goes to RationalWiki)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 1:59:12am

re: #260 Single-handed sailor

Yeah, the traffic jam sucked. My daughter did some good google map navigating and got us around traffic on back roads south of Bend.

I recall driving back from Stuttgart to see a solar eclipse there in 2000…on top of the eclipse being rained out, it was the worst traffic jam I have ever seen.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 2:04:34am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall driving back from Stuttgart to see a solar eclipse there in 2000…on top of the eclipse being rained out, it was the worst traffic jam I have ever seen.

Assuming we’re still alive, we’ll travel to Texas to visit my wife’s brother to see the total eclipse there.

en.wikipedia.org

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Chad Thundercock  May 5, 2018 • 2:24:00am

The other night, i saw a youtube video debunking a flat-earth believer (easy target, i know). Anyway, in the subject’s own video, he makes the argument that the earth couldn’t possibly be round because anyone in the southern hemisphere would be upside-down, and fall off. I looked this guy up, and it turns out he’s a firm believer in the “QAnon” conspiracies…and was elected to the Missouri House of Representatives. And, he was re-elected twice. And he’s currently running for judge, and could possibly win.

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Dr Lizardo  May 5, 2018 • 2:39:12am

re: #268 Chad Thundercock

The other night, i saw a youtube video debunking a flat-earth believer (easy target, i know). Anyway, in the subject’s own video, he makes the argument that the earth couldn’t possibly be round because anyone in the southern hemisphere would be upside-down, and fall off. I looked this guy up, and it turns out he’s a firm believer in the “QAnon” conspiracies…and was elected to the Missouri House of Representatives. And, he was re-elected twice. And he’s currently running for judge, and could possibly win.

The QAnon stuff is real brain-meltingly insane BS. And yet it’s become nothing less than Gospel truth among a certain of the RWNJ’s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 2:49:43am

re: #267 Anymouse 🌹

Assuming we’re still alive, we’ll travel to Texas to visit my wife’s brother to see the total eclipse there.

en.wikipedia.org

assuming that Texas has not be re-Annexed by Mexico after being Jade Helmed

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Dave In Austin  May 5, 2018 • 2:56:23am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 2:58:43am

re: #271 Dave In Austin

$150 electric sharpener vs $150 whetstones.

the electric variety might be useful if you have tons and tons of blades to sharpen in a day…but as long as the 2nd Amendment, which is under siege but which will never be under siege as long as 45 is President is not besieged, then we will never need massive assault knife arsenals…

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Amory Blaine  May 5, 2018 • 3:09:28am

I have one of them electric sharpeners (not the Japanese blade one). It works pretty good for me. I have all Victorinox blades so I’m not too picky on how they look at home. I bought a real expensive chef knife once that my wife gouged the fuck out of butchering a deer. So I learned my lesson. :D

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 3:25:10am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 3:28:05am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the electric variety might be useful if you have tons and tons of blades to sharpen in a day…but as long as the 2nd Amendment, which is under siege but which will never be under siege as long as 45 is President is not besieged, then we will never need massive assault knife arsenals…

That’s not a knife; this is a knife. (Behind the privacy bar because it’s a photograph of me)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 3:30:16am

You might even call that an “assault knife.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 3:32:42am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

That’s not a knife; this is a knife. (Behind the privacy bar because it’s a photograph of me)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 5, 2018 • 3:33:25am

re: #261 wheat-dogg

Theoretical physicists and experimental physicists should probably talk more often. But, they are very different creature and barely speak the same language.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 3:34:04am

re: #276 Anymouse 🌹

You might even call that an “assault knife.”

neighbor has a four-bladed scythe hung up the wall of his barn, now THAT is an “assault knife”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 3:34:29am

re: #278 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Theoretical physicists and experimental physicists should probably talk more often. But, they are very different creature and barely speak the same language.

sort of like economists and accountants?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 5, 2018 • 3:37:48am

re: #269 Dr Lizardo

The QAnon stuff is real brain-meltingly insane BS. And yet it’s become nothing less than Gospel truth among a certain of the RWNJ’s.

The is a subset of freeper that are very QAnon friendly.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 3:41:04am

Another terrorist-in-training:

Incel creeper: It’s fun to follow 14-year-old girls down the street and scare them to death (goes to We Hunted the Mammoth, with a link to an archive of the original comment so you don’t have to give a click to the site it came from)

Mr. Furtelle writing about a comment he came across at a so-called “incel” Website.

The guy he reported on sounds like a rapist-in-training. (If that dip pulls that stunt on the wrong woman or girl, he might wind up in the hospital.)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 3:42:29am

re: #279 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

neighbor has a four-bladed scythe hung up the wall of his barn, now THAT is an “assault knife”.

I want.

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 3:45:58am

re: #278 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Theoretical physicists and experimental physicists should probably talk more often. But, they are very different creature and barely speak the same language.

Michelson and Morley were “old school” physicists, who accepted the prevailing model that light was a wave and the Earth was an object, with both moving through the “aether,” an invisible, massless medium that existed apparently only to carry light waves. Their experiment’s null result confounded them, because it seemed to suggest that there was no aether and/or the speed of light was not affected by the motion of its source or the observer.

Einstein realized that, first, there was no aether, and second, as light was massless, it did not need to obey traditional laws of physical motion. He started with the postulate that the speed of light was invariant, and his conclusions about special relativity followed logically from there.

The aether was physicists’ version of phlogiston.

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 3:47:00am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

sort of like economists and accountants?

Or supply-side economists and the real world?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 5, 2018 • 3:53:15am

re: #271 Dave In Austin

I’ve been following you following Ryky’s video and techniques to add to my knife sharpening knowledge base. Note, I don’t like intructional videos, but that’s me. This was an interesting comparison video; I currently use 400, 1000, and 5000 Naniwa Professional water stones, haven’t decided if I want to shell out for a 10000 particle size stone. The whole idea of subjecting either my cooking knives or my pocket knives to an electric sharpener is anathema, but the data are into interesting.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 5, 2018 • 3:54:42am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the electric variety might be useful if you have tons and tons of blades to sharpen in a day…but as long as the 2nd Amendment, which is under siege but which will never be under siege as long as 45 is President is not besieged, then we will never need massive assault knife arsenals…

Not really. His comparison showed a similar time for sharpening. And, electric sharpeners are just wrong.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 4:01:05am

About to re-enter terminal count (T-4 minutes) after planned 15 minute hold & systems poll (all go)

NASA TV Public-Education

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I cannot.  May 5, 2018 • 4:03:58am

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

If we’re lucky he will Darwin himself on a “Second Amendment person”…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 4:04:35am

re: #284 wheat-dogg

The aether was physicists’ version of phlogiston.

you mean something that was postulated in order to explain an observed phenomenon?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 4:06:50am

VROOM, no boom

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 4:13:23am

Clever graphic

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 4:14:08am

re: #290 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you mean something that was postulated in order to explain an observed phenomenon?

Yes. Young’s double-slit experiment suggested light was a wave. It was assumed that all waves needed a medium to carry them. So, the aether was proposed as that medium. As postulated, it was presumed to have no mass. It was undetectable, and essentially incorporeal — or so tenuous as to be close to incorporeal.

Looking back, it was a weird idea, since science is all about detecting and measuring stuff. But to keep classical physics intact as an overarching theory, the aether was a necessary addition.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 4:29:33am

“… The boys told her they were too shy to speak up during introductions, and that’s when another parent contacted CSU police.

In an email to students and staff Wednesday, university officials outlined what happened, saying in part: “The CSUPD spoke with the students, confirmed they were part of the tour, and allowed them to rejoin the group. Unfortunately, due to the location of the tour when the contact was made, the admissions tour guide was unaware that police had been called or responded, and the tour group had moved on without the students, who returned to Ammons Hall briefly, then left campus to return home to New Mexico.” …”

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jeffreyw  May 5, 2018 • 4:32:41am

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Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 4:34:47am

re: #294 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Unfortunately, due to the location of the tour when the contact was made, the admissions tour guide was unaware that police had been called or responded, and the tour group had moved on without the students, who returned to Ammons Hall briefly, then left campus to return home to New Mexico

So massive fuckups all around, and people who come from a culture that values listening over speaking find out what it is like to be part of a culture where those who shout the loudest receive the most attention and achieve the greatest success…

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dirkdigglerjr  May 5, 2018 • 4:35:00am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Angus Scrimm played the Tall Man. He made 5 of the Phantasm movies, including one just before he died in 2016 at the age of 89. Scrimm was also a journalist and worked in the music industry writing liner notes. In fact, he won a Grammy award for writing liner notes. Back in my days as a sports editor, we had a basketball official who was a dead ringer for Scrimm. Needless to say, coaches and others referred to him as the Tall Man.

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BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 4:40:30am

re: #263 wheat-dogg

Earlier I said my cuz lives in Waimea. Wrong. It’s Kamuela, but still far from the volcano.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 4:42:28am
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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 4:43:34am

re: #298 BigPapa

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 4:43:39am

Newspaper delivery man just knocked at the back door, asking if I would like my lawn mowed (yesyesyesyes)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 4:54:56am

re: #301 Anymouse 🌹

Newspaper delivery man just knocked at the back door, asking if I would like my lawn mowed (yesyesyesyes)

Go put on a long necktie and shout at him

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BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 4:59:59am

My wife’s bestie lives in Nanawale Estates closest to Leilani. Pucker up.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 5:02:09am

Not a lawyer, but isn’t the NRA using it’s official account (rather than their political arm, NRA-ILA) to attack a privately-owned business a violation of their non-profit status?

#EatAtEllens is trending on Twitter, with lots of people thanking the NRA for a restaurant recommendation.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 5:02:56am

re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Go put on a long necktie and shout at him

A necktie in a bathrobe would look rather silly… .

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 5:03:24am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

A necktie in a bathrobe would look rather silly… .

you need an ill-fitting blue suit

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 5:05:18am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

A necktie in a bathrobe would look rather silly… .

Not if the necktie just got out of the shower.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 5:07:42am

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you need an ill-fitting blue suit

I have an ill-fitting grey one… .

It is noteworthy that the NRA cut off part of the photo of that receipt, on which the owners of the restaurant specifically say they support the II Amendment.

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 5:13:20am

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

Another terrorist-in-training:

Incel creeper: It’s fun to follow 14-year-old girls down the street and scare them to death (goes to We Hunted the Mammoth, with a link to an archive of the original comment so you don’t have to give a click to the site it came from)

Mr. Furtelle writing about a comment he came across at a so-called “incel” Website.

The guy he reported on sounds like a rapist-in-training. (If that dip pulls that stunt on the wrong woman or girl, he might wind up in the hospital.)

I tell ya, that’s a deep hole you can easily fall into. I went and read that, and then another and another (stories linked at the bottom of each page). I’m not sure there is a more fascinating study in psychosis anywhere on the internet. This one was fascinating.

Escape from Incel: Redditor explains how he extracted himself from the toxic subculture and rejoined the real world

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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 5:15:25am

re: #295 jeffreyw

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Morning!

Nice variety of birdies in this morning’s image. Lot’s of color too.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 5:17:05am

re: #309 MsJ

It’s very much like a cult. Cults are difficult to extract yourself from, since all contrary ideas to the cult are dismissed out of hand.

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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 5:17:30am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

A necktie in a bathrobe would look rather silly… .

So, how do you think Trump looks?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 5:18:37am

re: #309 MsJ

I tell ya, that’s a deep hole you can easily fall into. I went and read that, and then another and another (stories linked at the bottom of each page). I’m not sure there is a more fascinating study in psychosis anywhere on the internet. This one was fascinating.

So if we just legalize prostitution then these sad young fellows can just pay for it: cheaper than dating and guaranteed to produce the desired outcome regardless of his social skills.

But since availing oneself of professional skills carries the risk of spending the rest of one’s life as a listed sexual offender, these guys wind up falling into subcultures like this one.

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 5:18:39am

re: #301 Anymouse 🌹

Newspaper delivery man just knocked at the back door, asking if I would like my lawn mowed (yesyesyesyes)

I’d love to find someone to mow my lawn that doesn’t own a company and want to charge me $1000 to ride a mower for 5 minutes a week throughout the summer (they only contact entire summers). There are apparently no kids who do this any longer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 5:20:14am

re: #314 MsJ

I’d love to find someone to mow my lawn that doesn’t own a company and want to charge me $1000 to ride a mower for 5 minutes a week throughout the summer (they only contact entire summers). There are apparently no kids who do this any longer.

That was how I earned my allowance: mowing lawn in summer, raking leaves in fall, shoveling the walk in winter.

For which I received $3.50, which was just enough for a model airplane and a pot of modelling paint or a tube of glue.

I was a happy lad

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 5:23:50am

re: #313 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So if we just legalize prostitution then these sad young fellows can just pay for it: cheaper than dating and guaranteed to produce the desired outcome regardless of his social skills.

But since availing oneself of professional skills carries the risk of spending the rest of one’s life as a listed sexual offender, these guys wind up falling into subcultures like this one.

Yeahbut, remember, most of them don’t want that. They want beautiful women they can own because it’s their birthright as a man. These losers don’t want to get laid, they want women (who they state are above their stations) that they can make fuck them whenever they want. They want control and power not just sex.

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 5:25:06am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was how I earned my allowance: mowing lawn in summer, raking leaves in fall, shoveling the walk in winter.

For which I received $3.50, which was just enough for a model airplane and a pot of modelling paint or a tube of glue.

I was a happy lad

My husband, too. It’s been years since we saw any kids doing that. Even at their own homes.

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I cannot.  May 5, 2018 • 5:28:45am

re: #313 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But they don’t want to pay for it. They think they are OWED it from the “Beckys”, but they think the Beckys are all holding out for the “Chads”, and the Chads are all having sex with the “Stacys”…leaving no sex for them.

And if you tell them to go talk to a “Becky” they’ll go “EEWW” because she’s…not a Stacy.

Also, no, these people should be kept as far away from sex workers as possible because they are fucking dangerously crazy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 5:31:29am

re: #316 MsJ

Yeahbut, remember, most of them don’t want that. They want beautiful women they can own because it’s their birthright as a man. These losers don’t want to get laid, they want women (who they state are above their stations) that they can make fuck them whenever they want. They want control and power not just sex.

There are people who have enough money to get women to do that. But even that costs money, sometimes as much as $130,000….

In the Good Old Days these pathetic losers long for, a woman would be selected for them by their family and a partnership arranged.

She would then go from being chattel of her father to being the property of her new husband. It was a business transaction, often involving an exchange of property in the form of a dowry or a bridal fee depending on the situation.

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jeffreyw  May 5, 2018 • 5:31:37am

re: #310 ObserverArt

Morning!

Nice variety of birdies in this morning’s image. Lot’s of color too.

Yep, it’s one of the better captures we’ve seen.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 5:32:52am

re: #313 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So if we just legalize prostitution then these sad young fellows can just pay for it: cheaper than dating and guaranteed to produce the desired outcome regardless of his social skills.

But since availing oneself of professional skills carries the risk of spending the rest of one’s life as a listed sexual offender, these guys wind up falling into subcultures like this one.

a) Incels aren’t interested in paying for sex. They believe they are owed sex (with whomever they choose).

b) Sex workers are not psychiatrists for potentially-murderous incels. (The argument is similar to “well if African-Americans all went out to buy guns, conservatives would jump to pass gun restriction laws.” That argument is shown to be false when lawful gun owners, toy gun-owning children, women with restraining orders, &c are jailed or killed.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 5:33:51am

re: #318 I cannot.

But they don’t want to pay for it. They think they are OWED it from the “Beckys”, but they think the Beckys are all holding out for the “Chads”, and the Chads are all having sex with the “Stacys”…leaving no sex for them.

And if you tell them to go talk to a “Becky” they’ll go “EEWW” because she’s…not a Stacy.

Also, no, these people should be kept as far away from sex workers as possible because they are fucking dangerously crazy.

Sex workers in the current situation yes, with minimal legal protections. And you are right, they want something that cannot be purchased or even emulated for money.

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BlueSpotinAL  May 5, 2018 • 5:43:13am

re: #273 Amory Blaine

I have one of them electric sharpeners (not the Japanese blade one). It works pretty good for me. I have all Victorinox blades so I’m not too picky on how they look at home. I bought a real expensive chef knife once that my wife gouged the fuck out of butchering a deer. So I learned my lesson. :D

Avocado pits are hell on my knives. I have the wusthof sharpener XV (15 degree angle that Japanese blades use).

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I cannot.  May 5, 2018 • 5:47:47am

re: #323 BlueSpotinAL

For avocados, I use this thing…

oxo.com

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A Mom Anon  May 5, 2018 • 5:51:12am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let’s throw in that they HATE women too. Not just a little annoyance or irritation with women, but full out white hot hatred. If they wanted a relationship or even just sex with a partner, they could “settle” for a woman who isn’t a super model and be like most humans with a soul. Instead they nurture a dangerous level of hatred and a seriously warped version of being a man. Women won’t fuck someone who hates them. Most of us have been taught our whole lives to run from men like this. They created the mess and blame women. And they’re snobs about it on top of it all. Yuck. And if I ever see one of these sacks of shit terrorizing a girl, I won’t hesitate to intervene in a VERY unladylike fashion. Fucking idiots.

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 5:52:57am

Ok. Stupid question here.

Are there still conjugal visits for prison inmates?

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 5:53:25am

re: #324 I cannot.

For avocados, I use this thing…

oxo.com

Best. Tool. Ever.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 5:56:14am

re: #325 A Mom Anon

Let’s throw in that they HATE women too.

Well, that does make a case for the sex robots.

/

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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 5:58:00am

re: #261 wheat-dogg

There’s a famous null result from physics that is a good example: the Michelson-Morley experiment of 1887. Michelson and Morley were convinced that the speed of light as measured from the moving Earth would be different depending on the relative direction of the light beam to the Earth’s orbital motion. They designed an ingenious apparatus to measure minute differences in the speed of light (the interferometer), and after many attempts found NO differences at all. Big puzzler.

Then Einstein in 1905 publishes his first relativity paper, which in part says, “Oh the speed of light is invariant. Everybody no matter how fast they are moving — or in what direction — will measure the same speed of light.” So, the M-M experiment verified Einstein’s postulate years before Einstein published it!

Interestingly, Einstein claimed he was not aware of the Michelson-Morley experiment before he published in 1905. It was only after that colleagues told him about it.

And there’s a reasonable argument to be made that he didn’t know since there’s hints at that elsewhere. Maxwell’s equations imply a constant speed of light.

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Amory Blaine  May 5, 2018 • 5:58:59am

re: #326 MsJ

Ok. Stupid question here.

Are there still conjugal visits for prison inmates?

Not at my house.
//

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I cannot.  May 5, 2018 • 5:59:27am

re: #328 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or, just a wank…I mean, that has been the solution that people have come to for millennia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 6:02:20am

re: #331 I cannot.

Or, just a wank…I mean, that has been the solution that people have come to for millennia.

sex robots are just mechanical wanking aids…but they can be programmed to be submissive and make their owner/operator feel like his is (at least temporarily) occupying his proper place in the social order

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 6:04:47am

re: #326 MsJ

Ok. Stupid question here.

Are there still conjugal visits for prison inmates?

From Wikipedia.

The states with conjugal visits are California, Connecticut, New York and Washington.[

The reason I asked is that Canada has conjugal visits and the guy in Toronto who ran over all those people will likely have prison bunnies who will happily fuck him. Hubby thinks that alone will make more incel crazy people do crazy things…to get laid where they couldn’t before.

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Amory Blaine  May 5, 2018 • 6:05:32am

Like 25 years ago I went out with a couple of dudes to the clubs and was having a great time. They started complaining that “these chicks are all dykes and whatnot”. I was like whatever and went about my business. So these dudes left without telling me and I went searching in the parking lot for them. Where I met two cool chicks that took me to another club and all three of us danced together for like an hour. Hee Hee. Fucking douchebags.

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A Mom Anon  May 5, 2018 • 6:07:05am

Ok since we’re in a long thread now, I’ll share some OT things….
Last weekend the Husband and I went to see the Foo Fighters and it was so fun!! Great show and yes, I hurt myself dancing like a fool for 3 hours.

Then on Tuesday ,The Kid went to see Stone Sour. He ended up meeting Corey Taylor before the show and Corey took the time to sign The Kid’s vinyl and CD covers and take a photo with him. Now, Corey didn’t have to do that, there were 100 dollar VIP tickets for people to do that and he could have just blew the kid off but he didn’t. This meant so much to my son, Slipknot and Stone Sour have got him through some shit in his life. Corey Taylor is my new secret boyfriend, don’t tell anyone….

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 5, 2018 • 6:07:14am

re: #327 MsJ

Best. Tool. Ever.

Oxo makes good shit.

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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 6:16:35am

The Enron of Presidents.

Shamelessly stolen from Balloon Juice.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 6:25:52am

re: #337 Belafon

“The Enron of Presidents?” Does that mean Trump will flee to the Caribbean?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 6:31:16am

re: #331 I cannot.

Or, just a wank…I mean, that has been the solution that people have come to for millennia.

The Proud Boys, Gavin McInnes’ outlet have a weird anti wanking policy which explains a lot. Anyhow these guys are a bunch of fucking douchebags. I agree with the Stacy and Becky analogy above. The other thing are the so called “nice guys.” Not someone who happens to be a nice guy but defines himself as such.

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 6:31:43am

re: #338 Anymouse 🌹

“The Enron of Presidents?” Does that mean Trump will flee to the Caribbean?

Or shoot himself in the head.

(Never. He’s to narcissistic to ever accept responsibility for any wrongdoing, ever.)

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 6:33:23am
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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 6:35:05am

re: #341 JordanRules

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And Trump won’t say shit.

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dangerman  May 5, 2018 • 6:35:59am

re: #337 Belafon

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The Enron of Presidents.

Shamelessly stolen from Balloon Juice.

apropos of the top of this thread and this entry, on my run this morning i started playing around with scenarios re the stormy daniels payment and how this all could have worked for trump to be “innocent”.

i concocted one scenario - totally possible and also highly improbable that actually insulates trump from the problems with the FEC only.

say cohen actually set up the nda and paid the money all on his own. neither trump nor anyone in the campaign were aware. (i said possible.) cohen is screwed with the fec, his legal license, and the nda is n/a so trump loses on that score. cohen is probably also screwed with regards to various federal and state income tax laws

say later that cohen asks trump for money, doesnt explain, doesnt segregate fees from reimbursed costs on any billing documentation (could happen) and trump doesnt ask, just pays.

so trump and the campaign dont find out until recently whats really been going on. immediately they could/should amend their fec filings because, gosh darn, they just found out themselves!

bizarre, yet possible.

Any other scenario and it’s an organized, planned conspiracy and cover up. they are all screwed. and i cant come up with anything where cohen isnt toast

of course i dont believe any of it
and that penny is gonna drop anyway because its way bigger than just this issue

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 6:37:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 6:44:51am

re: #338 Anymouse 🌹

“The Enron of Presidents?” Does that mean Trump will flee to the Caribbean?

It means a whole lot of small people will lose a lot of money and the perpetrators will escape with only minor damage to their already sullied reputations…

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 6:45:02am
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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 6:45:30am

“So they’re saying I’m a historic President?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 6:46:29am

re: #343 dangerman

say cohen actually set up the nda and paid the money all on his own. neither trump nor anyone in the campaign were aware. (i said possible.) cohen is screwed with the fec, his legal license, and the nda is n/a so trump loses on that score. cohen is probably also screwed with regards to various federal and state income tax laws

then the NDA is not a valid contract and she can publish or market all the kompromat that she has on him

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 6:47:11am

re: #346 jaunte

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The corruption that you can buh-lieve

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Eventual Carrion  May 5, 2018 • 6:47:29am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

And Trump won’t say shit.

Other than, “I wish I could do that!”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 6:48:27am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

The Proud Boys, Gavin McInnes’ outlet have a weird anti wanking policy which explains a lot. Anyhow these guys are a bunch of fucking douchebags. I agree with the Stacy and Becky analogy above. The other thing are the so called “nice guys.” Not someone who happens to be a nice guy but defines himself as such.

Control of sexual expression is one of the signs of a cult. Gavin McInnes seems to be trying to start a cult.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 6:49:54am

re: #351 Anymouse 🌹

Control of sexual expression is one of the signs of a cult. Gavin McInnes seems to be trying to start a cult.

It is a cult. But yes good observation.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 5, 2018 • 6:50:40am

re: #338 Anymouse 🌹

“The Enron of Presidents?” Does that mean Trump will flee to the Caribbean?

re: #340 MsJ

Or shoot himself in the head.

(Never. He’s to narcissistic to ever accept responsibility for any wrongdoing, ever.)

re: #337 Belafon

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The Enron of Presidents.

Shamelessly stolen from Balloon Juice.

Who fled to the Caribbean or shot themselves in the Enron debacle? Didn’t all the serious Enron perps end up in prison or conveniently die of a heart attack so that their families could keep the ill-gotten gains?

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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 6:51:31am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It means a whole lot of small people will lose a lot of money and the perpetrators will escape with only minor damage to their already sullied reputations…

Skilling went to jail.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 6:51:45am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then the NDA is not a valid contract and she can publish or market all the kompromat that she has on him

That’s why they’re trying to play both sides of the fence. Cohen’s assertion he paid the money without Trump’s knowledge, then when it was noted that might be considered an in-kind campaign contribution, the story shifted to “Trump repaid him,” (which doessn’t get Cohen out of the problem).

Now they’re trying to assert everyone does that. Giuliani’s trip to television didn’t help them very much.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 6:55:37am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 6:56:33am
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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 6:56:52am

re: #356 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He does nothing but lie. But he’s such a straight shooter according to his cult.

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 6:58:11am
“…Trump had claimed that he knew nothing about any of it during an exchange with reporters on Air Force One in April. Asked whether he knew where the money had come from, he said, “No, I don’t know.” Asked whether he had ever set up a fund from which Cohen could draw money, Trump didn’t respond.

On Wednesday night, Giuliani said there are many instances in which lawyers do things for clients without letting them know, “like I take care of things like this with my clients.” That, apparently, is how things work with celebrities and people of wealth. Time to move on.”
washingtonpost.com

“Mr. President, do your wealthy sons have a similar arrangement with their own fixers? Does Jared Kushner?”

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 5, 2018 • 6:58:49am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It means a whole lot of small people will lose a lot of money and the perpetrators will escape with only minor damage to their already sullied reputations…

Enron resulted in convictions for a few higher ups. So I’d be happy.

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 7:02:59am

“Mr. President, do you hope that all your family members follow your example in how they live their lives?”

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dangerman  May 5, 2018 • 7:05:14am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then the NDA is not a valid contract and she can publish or market all the kompromat that she has on him

exactly - the only way trump gets off the hook wrt this particular issue is if he didnt know it was happening and so loses the protection of the nda

otherwise he’s complicit screwed with the fec, possibly commited felonies, and is part of the cover up

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 5, 2018 • 7:07:32am

re: #356 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

As the Hoarse Whisperer keeps noting, people with narcissistic personality disorder will keep lying, even when there’s proof shoved in their face that they’re lying, they’ll lie to cover their lies. It’s lying alll the way down, damnit.

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 7:10:00am

Trump’s handler cracks down.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 7:12:04am

In plain english-
FBI: We will not search personal communications as no criminal act is suspected to have occurred

“… A top FBI official told Congress this week that the bureau has not requested text messages between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, who faced criticism after it was revealed they exchanged messages critical of President Trump.

Charles Thorley, the acting assistant director of the FBI’s office of congressional affairs, said in a letter to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) this week that FBI employees are required to follow record-keeping policies when communication “constitute records under the Federal Records Act,” Fox News reported.

However, Thorley said that the FBI does not have to collect all communication between its employees.

“Thus, the FBI has not requested from Ms. Page or Mr. Strzok any information from their personal email accounts, nor has the FBI conducted searches of non-FBI-issued communications devices or non-FBI email accounts associated with Mr. Strzok or Ms. Page,” he said, according to Fox. …:

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 5, 2018 • 7:12:43am

re: #359 jaunte

“Mr. President, do your wealthy sons have a similar arrangement with their own fixers? Does Jared Kushner?”

On Joshua Johnson’s 1A show yesterday (Sara Kendzior was one guest) they were discussing the term lawyer as it applies to the orange shitgoblin (not their term) and noted that he has never really had a “lawyer” in the true sense of the word, they’ve always been been fixers and that part of the problem with the Stormy situation is that he needs a lawyer, but has no clue what that means.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 7:12:47am

re: #364 jaunte

Trump’s handler cracks down.

I am waiting to hear why these protesters were such a threat to public safety and national security and had to be shut down with force…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 7:14:22am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am waiting to hear why these protesters were such a threat to public safety and national security and had to be shut down with force…

They are a threat to Putin’s United Russia party, and Putin is the state, so they’re a threat to the state.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 7:15:06am

re: #366 Colère Tueur de Lapin

On Joshua Johnson’s 1A show yesterday (Sara Kendzior was one guest) they were discussing the term lawyer as it applies to the orange shitgoblin (not their term) and noted that he has never really had a “lawyer” in the true sense of the word, they’ve always been been fixers and that part of the problem with Stormy is that he needs a lawyer, but has no clue what that means.

I have a terrible crush on Sara Kendzior and dream of sitting up with her (you can well guess well where and after having done what) and talking about politics…some of my best girlfriends/partners were the ones I could have good political/historical/economics/current-events discussions with…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 7:15:41am

re: #368 Anymouse 🌹

They are a threat to Putin’s United Russia party, and Putin is the state, so they’re a threat to the state.

we know that, I am just interested on the spin they put on it to make Putin look like a good guy who was forced to act this way…

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 7:15:48am

“Mr. President, do you encourage your daughter Ivanka to emulate your personal behavior?”

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MsJ  May 5, 2018 • 7:16:23am

re: #365 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

In plain english-
FBI: We will not search personal communications as no criminal act is suspected to have occurred

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Fox news report. Whip up the base that there’s some There there in their personal accounts that’s suspect, like plans to bring down trump? Qanon? All of them, Katie.

Fox doing what it does. Always.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 5, 2018 • 7:17:22am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am waiting to hear why these protesters were such a threat to public safety and national security and had to be shut down with force…

He is providing a model for Trump; arresting anyone who opposes him. Remember when a woman was arrested for laughing during Jeff Sessions confirmation hearing and subsequently convicted? Eventually the case was dropped but this is the direction our dictator wannabe is leading this country.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 7:17:48am

re: #370 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we know that, I am just interested on the spin they put on it to make Putin look like a good guy who was forced to act this way…

Foreign inspired troublemakers.

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Amory Blaine  May 5, 2018 • 7:18:14am

If democracy survives Trump, the next POTUS is going to be so fucked with all the right wing criminals in Congress.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 7:20:17am

re: #375 Amory Blaine

If democracy survives Trump, the next POTUS is going to be so fucked with all the right wing criminals in Congress.

That’s one of my worries too. There are plenty of people just fine with this administration who will send people that reflect that to Congress.

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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 7:22:08am

re: #375 Amory Blaine

If democracy survives Trump, the next POTUS is going to be so fucked with all the right wing criminals in Congress.

In 2020, we can provide supermajorities in both Chambers.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 7:22:24am
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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 7:26:34am
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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 7:37:20am

re: #351 Anymouse 🌹

Control of sexual expression is one of the signs of a cult. Gavin McInnes seems to be trying to start a cult.

He would make a good cult leader. He has the arrogance, the look and the message.

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 7:39:08am

re: #329 Belafon

And there’s a reasonable argument to be made that he didn’t know since there’s hints at that elsewhere. Maxwell’s equations imply a constant speed of light.

But even Maxwell was not entirely aware what his equations implied, AFAIK. That’s how embedded the aether concept was in physics back then. Maxwell believed his equations were entirely consistent with Newtonian mechanics.

[Actually, of the four equations, Maxwell only created one equation and modified one of the three that others had already derived. But as a group they are called Maxwell’s equations because he put them all together in one neat little package.]

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 7:41:22am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

Foreign inspired troublemakers.

That’s the line used in China, too, whenever there are public protests or dissent. Outside influence aka Western ideas like human rights, equal protection under the law, free speech — all those dangerous ideas.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 7:42:58am
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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 7:43:02am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

He does nothing but lie. But he’s such a straight shooter according to his cult.

Normailzation.

Most likely he has a high percentage of liars in his supporters. At the very least they are truth deniers. So, Donny fills the bill for them because he is doing what they want* against the people they all hate.

*Doing what they want but he is also doing more that hurts them. I guess hate can be used to buy health insurance, a home, a car and groceries.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 7:43:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 7:44:55am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

Foreign inspired troublemakers.

Soros!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 5, 2018 • 7:45:17am

re: #381 wheat-dogg

But even Maxwell was not entirely aware what his equations implied, AFAIK. That’s how embedded the aether concept was in physics back then. Maxwell believed his equations were entirely consistent with Newtonian mechanics.

[Actually, of the four equations, Maxwell only created one equation and modified one of the three that others had already derived. But as a group they are called Maxwell’s equations because he put them all together in one neat little package.]

Well, not so neat. Remember in his formulation there were 12 equations. We owe the four vector equations and the popularization of Maxwell’s theory to Oliver Heaviside—a much underappreciated man, IMO.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 7:47:51am

On this date in 1925, John Scopes was arrested for teaching the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection.
politico.com

Two days ago, the Trump maladministration released his Faith and Opportunity Initiative, which FFRF is watching closely and is prepared to sue over if it crosses the line of the Establishment Clause.
ffrf.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 7:47:52am

re: #385 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This week’s Stormy revelations are unlikely to move public opinion because Americans already thought Trump was lying about the affair and the hush money. GOP pollster: “we’ve learned nothing new”

This week’s shooting of an unarmed protester by Donald Trump on 5th Avenue is unlikely to move public opinion because everybody knew that he was going to do it. GOP legislator: “We see no need to pursue this matter any further, after all, he is going to get away with it”.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 7:49:24am

re: #381 wheat-dogg

But even Maxwell was not entirely aware what his equations implied, AFAIK. That’s how embedded the aether concept was in physics back then. Maxwell believed his equations were entirely consistent with Newtonian mechanics.

[Actually, of the four equations, Maxwell only created one equation and modified one of the three that others had already derived. But as a group they are called Maxwell’s equations because he put them all together in one neat little package.]

Maxwell’s equations resulted in the creation of my car. /s

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 7:49:30am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Do you mind if I tweet that (with attribution)?

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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 7:55:39am

I see Joy Anne Reed is still doing her AM Joy show. I don’t usually catch her on Saturday mornings but have it on now for a few minutes.

So, I guess she has gotten past her blog post issues.

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 7:56:13am

re: #387 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, not so neat. Remember in his formulation there were 12 equations. We owe the four vector equations and the popularization of Maxwell’s theory to Oliver Heaviside—a much underappreciated man, IMO.

Ah, right. I forgot that part of their history. One of my profs in grad school often remarked that Heaviside unfairly gets short shrift in the physics books. Thanks for reminding me.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 7:57:30am

re: #384 ObserverArt

Normailzation.

Most likely he has a high percentage of liars in his supporters. At the very least they are truth deniers. So, Donny fills the bill for them because he is doing what they want* against the people they all hate.

*Doing what they want but he is also doing more that hurts them. I guess hate can be used to buy health insurance, a home, a car and groceries.

You’re correct.

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wheat-dogg  May 5, 2018 • 7:57:42am

re: #390 Anymouse 🌹

Maxwell’s equations resulted in the creation of my car. /s

He is also known for his silver hammer (in an alternate timeline).

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Hecuba's daughter  May 5, 2018 • 7:57:51am

re: #392 ObserverArt

I see Joy Anne Reed is still doing her AM Joy show. I don’t usually catch her on Saturday mornings but have it on now for a few minutes.

So, I guess she has gotten past her blog post issues.

I think she also substituted for Chris Hayes last night.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 5, 2018 • 8:00:02am

So I watched the InSight launch. A few minutes before, surprising the Public Affairs lady, this fucknugget Bridenstine comes on and makes an idiotic speech about how “this president” and “this vice-president” were committed to…blah, blah, blah…

Has anybody seen anything like this before? I’ve seen Administrators present for Entry, Descent, and Landing of Mars spacecraft or important flybys, and seen them interviewed by PA people after their success. I don’t begrudge them that—even Sean Kelly or Mike Griffin—but I’ve never seen this kind of shameless politicization by a NASA Administrator anywhere before.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 5, 2018 • 8:00:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 8:01:03am

re: #391 jaunte

Do you mind if I tweet that (with attribution)?

wendell the wise!

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:03:22am

re: #398 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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They’ve also been here nineteen years now. They’ve established themselves in their communities, started families, attended our schools, and for the children of those Hondurans, this is home.

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 8:04:59am
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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 8:05:23am

re: #396 Hecuba’s daughter

I think she also substituted for Chris Hayes last night.

Good. She just had Richard Painter on, the ex-Republican that has recently changed from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party and is running for Al Franken’s old Senate seat.

She asked him why he changed parties and more or less hinted that Democrats would be suspicious of someone who has been a lifelong Republican. He said it was because the Republicans are not the Republicans he grew up with and have been changing for the past 20 years. He feels his positions are now more Democratic than Republican, especially Trump Republicans.

He also said Minnesota folks should have had an opportunity to have a say in Franken’s future rather than him having to resign under pressure. He felt that was unfair to Franken and Minnesota.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:05:31am

It to me shows how out of touch these guys are that they think deportation is the solution to everything.

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 8:06:18am

re: #403 HappyWarrior

They seem to be making decisions based on how mean they can be to the most defenseless.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 8:06:24am

Trump Administration Argues Adults Shouldn’t Have Sex for Fun (Raw Story)

Yeah, about that, Mr. Player …

One can quarrel with the idea that hush-money-to-porn-stars is nearly as widespread a practice among rich celebrities as Trump would like you to believe. But what makes this entire episode even more bizarre is that while all this is going on, the Trump administration has put its full weight behind promoting sexual abstinence — not just for teens, but also for adults — as the only acceptable choice for the most people, who presumably don’t have the money to cover up their private indiscretions with large payouts.

On Wednesday, three organizations — the ACLU, Planned Parenthood and the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Association — joined together to sue the Department of Health and Human Services Office of Population Affairs for drastically rewriting its Title X funding priorities to grant awards to programs that favor abstinence programs over contraception provision. Title X was explicitly created in 1970 to help low-income women obtain contraception, but the Trump administration’s new guidelines indicate a preference for programs that discouragecontraception use in favor of advising women to abstain from sex when not seeking pregnancy.

(more)

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:06:57am

re: #402 ObserverArt

Good. She just had Richard Painter on, the ex-Republican that has recently changed from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party and is running for Al Franken’s old Senate seat.

She asked him why he changed parties and more or less hinted that Democrats would be suspicious of someone who has been a lifelong Republican. He said it was because the Republicans are not the Republicans he grew up with and have been changing for the past 20 years. He feels his positions are now more Democratic than Republican, especially Trump Republicans.

He also said Minnesota folks should have had an opportunity to have a say in Franken’s future rather than him having to resign under pressure. He felt that was unfair to Franken and Minnesota.

I like him but I want him to prove his bones as a Dem before becoming a Senator.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:08:06am

re: #405 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Administration Argues Adults Shouldn’t Have Sex for Fun (Raw Story)

Yeah, about that, Mr. Player …

(more)

This from the President who hung out at the Playboy Mansion and bragged about his sexual exploits repeatedly.

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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 8:08:51am

re: #398 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 8:08:58am

re: #397 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So I watched the InSight launch. A few minutes before, surprising the Public Affairs lady, this fucknugget Bridenstine comes on and makes an idiotic speech about how “this president” and “this vice-president” were committed to…blah, blah, blah…

Has anybody seen anything like this before? I’ve seen Administrators present for Entry, Descent, and Landing of Mars spacecraft or important flybys, and seen them interviewed by PA people after their success. I don’t begrudge them that—even Sean Kelly or Mike Griffin—but I’ve never seen this kind of shameless politicization by a NASA Administrator anywhere before.

Yuck. Sounds like Great Leader messaging. Straight out of a dictatorship where people are forced to hear party and leadership messages before any event, news, government service, etc.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:10:25am

re: #408 Belafon

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It’s why while I may fiercely disagree with the RCC on choice, lgbt rights, ordination of women, I appreciate that they do stand up for immigrants.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 8:11:59am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

It’s why while I may fiercely disagree with the RCC on choice, lgbt rights, ordination of women, I appreciate that they do stand up for immigrants.

And paedophiles. They are a corrupt organisation. Just because they do one good thing does not make them a shining beacon. The Mormon Church also stands up for immigrants.

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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 8:13:01am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

How will he do that if he’s not running?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:13:59am

re: #412 Belafon

How will he do that if he’s not running?

I think going from being a lifelong GOPer to the Senate is just a huge leap imo.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:15:23am

re: #411 Anymouse 🌹

And paedophiles. They are a corrupt organisation. Just because they do one good thing does not make them a shining beacon. The Mormon Church also stands up for immigrants.

Did I say they were a shining beacon? I merely appreciate that they do support immigrants is all I said.

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NetworkKed  May 5, 2018 • 8:15:45am

re: #337 Belafon

It’s been fun to watch the Balloon Juice and LGF readership converge over the last decade. I think LGF skews a little older and pragmatic, while BJ is wonkier and more involved in internal D politics, but the core worldview has wound up in the same place.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 8:17:17am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

I think going from being a lifelong GOPer to the Senate is just a huge leap imo.

It would not be the first time the GOP has engaged in rodent copulation.

And the old “the GOP left me” canard is getting old. Painter was a member of the GOP long after Goldwater’s and Nixon’s presidential runs specifically pandering to racists, Birchers, &c.

Painter is younger than I am. The GOP has been like this all my life; all Trump did was leave out the dog whistles.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:18:08am

re: #415 NetworkKed

It’s been fun to watch the Balloon Juice and LGF readership converge over the last decade. I think LGF skews a little older and pragmatic, while BJ is wonkier and more involved in internal D politics, but the core worldview has wound up in the same place.

The Center Left is where I think we are. We’re broadly liberal but aware of real world dynamics and the big picture. I think Markos from Kos also fits that but there’s a lot of divide on his readers over that.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:20:09am

re: #416 Anymouse 🌹

It would not be the first time the GOP has engaged in rodent copulation.

And the old “the GOP left me” canard is getting old. Painter was a member of the GOP long after Goldwater’s and Nixon’s presidential runs specifically pandering to racists, Birchers, &c.

Painter is younger than I am. The GOP has been like this all my life; all Trump did was leave out the dog whistles.

I do respect him since he hasn’t tried to make excuses for the party unlike other GOP Never Trumpers and I don’t think he’s a rodent fucker, I just don’t want to make him the next Senator from Minnesota when he’s done less for progressive causes than I have and I’m young enough to be his son. I respect him but if I were a Minnesota Dem, I’d be more partial to the other choices by default.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 8:20:38am

re: #415 NetworkKed

It’s been fun to watch the Balloon Juice and LGF readership converge over the last decade. I think LGF skews a little older and pragmatic, while BJ is wonkier and more involved in internal D politics, but the core worldview has wound up in the same place.

It’s always funny when I think about how I started at one former Republican’s site and ended up at another’s. They both have always given me hope!

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 5, 2018 • 8:22:13am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

This from the President who hung out at the Playboy Mansion and bragged about his sexual exploits repeatedly.

On the contrary. The President has consistently maintained that the sexual pleasure of women doesn’t matter, so he’s been 50% for this all along.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:22:52am

re: #419 JordanRules

It’s always funny when I think about how I started at one former Republican’s site and ended up at another’s. They both have always given me hope!

I don’t think Charles was ever technically a Republican. I started out on Democratic Underground many years ago. Got frustrated with that since there wasn’t room for pragmatism there. Then I was on an offshoot created by members of DU and Conservative Underground. Then I took a break and here I’ve been since about 2009.

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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 8:22:52am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

I think going from being a lifelong GOPer to the Senate is just a huge leap imo.

Living in Texas, I have seen the parties change, and people eventually decide they need to switch parties. At least he’s not switching while in office.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:23:21am

re: #420 The Ghost of a Flea

On the contrary. The President has consistently maintained that the sexual pleasure of women doesn’t matter, so he’s been 50% for this all along.

Ah, that’s a good point. “Women, you have to treat them like shit.” Our President.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:25:17am

BTW AM, if you’re going to rag on people who contend the party left them, you’re going to be talking about a good amount of people here. I’m a lifelong liberal but a lot of people here came to where they are now including our host after being on the right. I agree with you that the GOP has more or less stank for well over 50 years now but I’m not going to beat up someone who finally sees it for what we knew it was.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 8:29:09am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 8:30:03am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

I do respect him since he hasn’t tried to make excuses for the party unlike other GOP Never Trumpers and I don’t think he’s a rodent fucker, I just don’t want to make him the next Senator from Minnesota when he’s done less for progressive causes than I have and I’m young enough to be his son. I respect him but if I were a Minnesota Dem, I’d be more partial to the other choices by default.

He’s also never held an elected political office. The jump from a political appointee to a six-year Senate seat requires a bit more than “I’ve seen the light; I’m really a Democrat.”

I don’t know who the Dems are putting up for office for the seat, but if I were a Minnesotan I would take a very critical look at Richard Painter … he was part of an administration that launched a devastating war that created instability and hardship for millions across two countries and arguably led to the rise of so-called Islamic State.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 8:30:03am
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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:30:37am

re: #425 JordanRules

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JFC.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 8:30:37am
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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 8:31:04am

But, obviously, the most liberal person needs to win.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:31:28am

re: #427 Anymouse 🌹

He’s also never held an elected political office. The jump from a political appointee to a six-year Senate seat requires a bit more than “I’ve seen the light; I’m really a Democrat.”

I don’t know who the Dems are putting up for office for the seat, but if I were a Minnesotan I would take a very critical look at Richard Painter … he was part of an administration that launched a devastating war that created instability and hardship for millions across two countries and arguably led to the rise of so-called Islamic State.

Same. And yes being part of the Bush administration does give me pause too.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:31:49am

re: #430 JordanRules

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WTF is this bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 8:32:24am

re: #395 wheat-dogg

He is also known for his silver hammer (in an alternate timeline).

and his good-to-the-last-drop coffee

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 8:33:51am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

WTF is this bullshit.

Asked and answered… .

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:34:18am

re: #435 Anymouse 🌹

Asked and answered… .

Rhetorical question counselor.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 8:34:32am

re: #427 Anymouse 🌹

He’s also never held an elected political office. The jump from a political appointee to a six-year Senate seat requires a bit more than “I’ve seen the light; I’m really a Democrat.”

I don’t know who the Dems are putting up for office for the seat, but if I were a Minnesotan I would take a very critical look at Richard Painter … he was part of an administration that launched a devastating war that created instability and hardship for millions across two countries and arguably led to the rise of so-called Islamic State.

Franken gave a very supportive and gracious handoff to Tina Smith. She seems to be pretty liberal and doing well in the seat.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 8:35:59am

re: #434 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and his good-to-the-last-drop coffee

And led to the rise of one of Control’s most famous agents.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:36:10am

re: #431 Belafon

But, obviously, the most liberal person needs to win.

You mean regarding Minnesota? For me, I just think every state getting only two Senators, we should be very careful in who we nominate. I like Painter very much but I just don’t know if I want him to be a Senator quite. Pardon me if I’m a little skeptical because I remember Jim Webb was a Republican turned Democrat who ended up being a joke here in Va and ended up leaving after one term bitter at the very party that threw its weight behind him to get him elected.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 5, 2018 • 8:37:02am

Morning Lizardim.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:37:30am

re: #437 JordanRules

Franken gave a very supportive and gracious handoff to Tina Smith. She seems to be pretty liberal and doing well in the seat.

That’s right.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2018 • 8:41:10am

re: #424 HappyWarrior

BTW AM, if you’re going to rag on people who contend the party left them, you’re going to be talking about a good amount of people here. I’m a lifelong liberal but a lot of people here came to where they are now including our host after being on the right. I agree with you that the GOP has more or less stank for well over 50 years now but I’m not going to beat up someone who finally sees it for what we knew it was.

Post 9/11 trauma was/is a real thing. I had it, I suspect Charles had it. These things can be recovered from, after they lead you astray. That said, I came for the bike posts, I stay for the politics. The feminism is one of the most attractive parts.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:42:44am

re: #442 wrenchwench

Post 9/11 trauma was/is a real thing. I had it, I suspect Charles had it. These things can be recovered from, after they lead you astray. That said, I came for the bike posts, I stay for the politics. The feminism is one of the most attractive parts.

I’ve been reading my old philosophy teacher’s memoir of teaching. He was and is quite liberal but he writes of having supported the war in Iraq due to the post 9/11 trauma many had. I didn’t have it but I sympathize with those who did and got led the wrong way by the administration.

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BeachDem  May 5, 2018 • 8:43:25am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

You mean regarding Minnesota? For me, I just think every state getting only two Senators, we should be very careful in who we nominate. I like Painter very much but I just don’t know if I want him to be a Senator quite. Pardon me if I’m a little skeptical because I remember Jim Webb was a Republican turned Democrat who ended up being a joke here in Va and ended up leaving after one term bitter at the very party that threw its weight behind him to get him elected.

And then, because he hated being a Senator so much, decided to run for president! Good times. (Like you, not a Jim Webb fan.)

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:43:52am

I first heard about LGF becaues a good friend of mine really disliked how hawkish Charles was on Iraq but he told me to give it a look when Charles did one of his first major breaks with the right and that was over the growing Eurofascists in Europe. Charles to his credit never liked them while much of the right was embracing them in the name of “Anti Islamism.”

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:45:19am

re: #444 BeachDem

And then, because he hated being a Senator so much, decided to run for president! Good times. (Like you, not a Jim Webb fan.)

I was skeptical about Webb from the start. I was happy, ecstatic even when he beat George Allen but I was unimpressed with him as a Senator and he’s a bit of a prick. Even some liberals thought he acted like a jerk when Bush asked him how his son was doing.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 5, 2018 • 8:46:27am

re: #425 JordanRules

I have this incomplete thought about the way aestheticism is so deeply imbedded in authoritarian thinking, and it applies to this gun/knife bit. Basically…impressions that evoke strong emotions are True, in the epistemological sense, so everything, including policy, becomes about what looks good on a very shallow level.

All of that shit about “blood everywhere” and “stab wounds” is about squeamishness and the impression of violence with a knife being worse violence because it’s more…viscerally ugly…fits into that pattern.

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Dr Lizardo  May 5, 2018 • 8:48:08am

re: #447 The Ghost of a Flea

A gun is a more impersonal way of killing - you don’t have to be up close, feeling the blade sliding in, the blood (literally) on your hands.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 8:48:13am

re: #447 The Ghost of a Flea

I have this incomplete thought about the way aestheticism is so deeply imbedded in authoritarian thinking, and it applies to this gun/knife bit. Basically…impressions that evoke strong emotions are True, in the epistemological sense, so everything, including policy, becomes about what looks good on a very shallow level.

All of that shit about “blood everywhere” and “stab wounds” is about squeamishness and the impression of violence with a knife being worse violence because it’s more…viscerally ugly…fits into that pattern.

Trump seems to invoke the yucky, squeamish stuff a lot.

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mmmirele  May 5, 2018 • 8:48:28am

Paige Patterson, the president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, and more importantly, the author of the “conservative resurgence” with Judge Paul Pressler, was recently exposed as the kind of guy who would tell a woman to stay in an abusive marriage and continue to get beat up. There was an outcry this week, and calls for his resignation.

Nope.

Southern Baptist leader who advised abused women not to divorce doubles down, says he has nothing to apologize for

Not only that, but this as well, he fired a Ph.D student from his catering manager position at the seminary, which means the man lost a $40K/year job and a waiver of his $7,000/year tuition. And why? Because Nathan Montgomery had the temerity to retweet Ed Stetzer’s (a bigwig in the evangelical world and holder of the Billy Graham chair at Wheaton College) statement that Patterson should resign.

washingtonpost.com

Patterson is scheduled to give the “convention sermon” at the annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention in Dallas in five weeks. I believe it was Stetzer who said that Patterson would receive a standing ovation in Dallas and Stetzer thought it would be a bad signal to women. (Ya think, Ed?)

Personally, I’m hoping for Patterson’s latter years to be dominated by the suit called Rollins v. Second Baptist Church, et. al. Rollins is a guy who claims he was sexually assaulted by Patterson’s good, good buddy Judge Pressler numerous times. I will confess that I thought it sounded weird and I thought it was kind of a crazy lawsuit when I first heard of it except that he had real attorneys backing him up.

Last month, Rollins’ attorneys came forward with sworn statements from two men, one from ~40 years ago and one from more recently, indicating Pressler’s inappropriate activities towards them. And yesterday, a federal judge sent the case back to state court, not finding a federal question. I suspect Second Baptist Church (and the Southern Baptist Convention, also a defendant) were looking for a finding of “ecclesiastical abstention doctrine,” i.e., that this was a church matter that should not be in a court. The judge probably rolled his eyes as he drop-kicked the case, finding it’s a tort case with churches and parachurch organizations as defendants (along with Pressler and Patterson).

baptistnews.com

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dangerman  May 5, 2018 • 8:48:50am

re: #403 HappyWarrior

It to me shows how out of touch these guys are that they think deportation is the solution to everything.

its a proxy for “tough on immigration” because they are the easy low hanging fruit.
muslim travel bans didnt work
there is no wall
so they manufacture something to point to

they dont see that this isssue is a loser.
no one’s gonna become a trump supporter over this
it’ll certainly galvanize more anti’s - friends, family, co-workers

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 8:49:34am

re: #427 Anymouse 🌹

He’s also never held an elected political office. The jump from a political appointee to a six-year Senate seat requires a bit more than “I’ve seen the light; I’m really a Democrat.”

I don’t know who the Dems are putting up for office for the seat, but if I were a Minnesotan I would take a very critical look at Richard Painter … he was part of an administration that launched a devastating war that created instability and hardship for millions across two countries and arguably led to the rise of so-called Islamic State.

Two years as White House ethics lawyer for Bush. That’s the guy they check with on how to do what they do within the law. Like not making campaign calls from one location (illegal) and where to go down the street that is perfectly legal and requested regularly. That’s not an Iraq war architect. Wiki.

My take is that if we filter so hard to exclude Republicans former and current who see the light, we will become as insular and contemptibly ineffective as the Berners. Sorry, that’s harsh but we need allies, and an ability to sort out the sincere convert from the temporary.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2018 • 8:49:49am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

I’ve been reading my old philosophy teacher’s memoir of teaching. He was and is quite liberal but he writes of having supported the war in Iraq due to the post 9/11 trauma many had. I didn’t have it but I sympathize with those who did and got led the wrong way by the administration.

Embarrassing evidence won’t go away. Thanks for the sympathy. It meant a lot to get ‘absolution’ from CuriousLurker. We are so fortunate she came back when she said she was leaving. Some of us will never forget her. {sigh}

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 8:51:21am

re: #442 wrenchwench

Post 9/11 trauma was/is a real thing. I had it, I suspect Charles had it. These things can be recovered from, after they lead you astray. That said, I came for the bike posts, I stay for the politics. The feminism is one of the most attractive parts.

Falling Man still makes me see red. But gotta move on with life.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 5, 2018 • 8:51:44am

Ah, I see there’s a discussion going on about Franken’s replacement. I think I might have a thing or two to say about that. For my part, I don’t really give a flying fuck about an “ex-Republican”. Realize that I, myself, am an ex-Republican - and a hardcore one, at that; if you don’t know who I am, you should at the very least know that both myself and Mrs. Fish have immediate family that are on the furthest fringes of wingnut Christianity: evangelical wingnuts, quiverfulls, anti-vaxxers, homeopaths, and conspiracy theorists. It may be an old tired cliche, but it’s still just as true today as it was in the post-Southern Strategy era. Just because it took me until I was 22 years old to realize it, that doesn’t mean I’m not just as valid of a liberal as someone who was in the Democratic Party since WWII.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:52:52am

re: #452 Unshaken Defiance

Two years as White House Ethics lawyer for Bush. That’s the guy they check with on how to do what they do within the law. Like not making campaign calls from one location (illegal) and where to go down the street that is perfectly legal and requested regularly. That’s not an Iraq war architect. Wiki.

My take is that if we filter so hard to exclude Republicans former and current who see the light, we will become as insular and contemptibly ineffective as the Berners. Sorry, that’s harsh but we need allies, and an ability to sort out the sincere convert from the temporary.

We need allies for sure man but I don’t know if giving him the keys to one of our Senate seats is the answer. Now if the voters of Minnesota disagree with me, I’ll gladly root for him to be Senator.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 8:53:22am

re: #424 HappyWarrior

BTW AM, if you’re going to rag on people who contend the party left them, you’re going to be talking about a good amount of people here. I’m a lifelong liberal but a lot of people here came to where they are now including our host after being on the right. I agree with you that the GOP has more or less stank for well over 50 years now but I’m not going to beat up someone who finally sees it for what we knew it was.

Well, I can’t say for sure. I view “the party left me” statement with some scepticism, particularly since it has been racist, misogynistic, and hateful toward the poor all my life.

Perhaps many people (including those you cite here) didn’t see that. That’s fine; the correct answer would be “I didn’t see that,” not “the party left me.”

I imagine most Republican voters aren’t racists. Those who bailed on the GOP saw what they really stand for. But the party didn’t leave them, those voters learned what the party was really about.

Mr. Painter is using the same excuse, as a powerful person in a Republican administration, after the party planted its racist flag during Goldwater’s run for President. I find it difficult to believe he didn’t know what they were about when he served in the White House.

I was able to figure it out when Ronald Reagan opened his campaign on the site of slain civil rights workers and laid a wreath in an SS cemetery in West Germany. Mr. Painter has the benefit of many political connexions and education I can never hope to attain, yet he claims “the party left him?”

I am going to need to bail now … I have an exploding migraine headache. My medication is kicking in for that and I need to lie down. Catch y’all later… .

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:54:30am

re: #455 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ah, I see there’s a discussion going on about Franken’s replacement. I think I might have a thing or two to say about that. For my part, I don’t really give a flying fuck about an “ex-Republican”. Realize that I, myself, am an ex-Republican - and a hardcore one, at that; if you don’t know who I am, you should at the very least know that both myself and Mrs. Fish have immediate family that are on the furthest fringes of wingnut Christianity: evangelical wingnuts, quiverfulls, anti-vaxxers, homeopaths, and conspiracy theorists. It may be an old tired cliche, but it’s still just as true today as it was in the post-Southern Strategy era. Just because it took me until I was 22 years old to realize it, that doesn’t mean I’m not just as valid of a liberal as someone who was in the Democratic Party since WWII.

Absolutely. See my 424 which I see lol you did already. I just don’t know how I feel about Painter going directly to the Senate. I think that’s fair don’t you?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:57:39am

re: #457 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I can’t say for sure. I view “the party left me” statement with some scepticism, particularly since it has been racist, misogynistic, and hateful toward the poor all my life.

Perhaps many people (including those you cite here) didn’t see that. That’s fine; the correct answer would be “I didn’t see that,” not “the party left me.”

I imagine most Republican voters aren’t racists. Those who bailed on the GOP saw what they really stand for. But the party didn’t leave them, those voters learned what the party was really about.

Mr. Painter is using the same excuse, as a powerful person in a Republican administration, after the party planted its racist flag during Goldwater’s run for President. I find it difficult to believe he didn’t know what they were about when he served in the White House.

I was able to figure it out when Ronald Reagan opened his campaign on the site of slain civil rights workers and laid a wreath in an SS cemetery in West Germany. Mr. Painter has the benefit of many political connexions and education I can never hope to attain, yet he claims “the party left him?”

I am going to need to bail now … I have an exploding migraine headache. My medication is kicking in for that and I need to lie down. Catch y’all later… .

I think you have a habit of getting way too pedantic over words. I share your skepticism with Painter becoming Senator but I think you have to realize that we all come to our destination at different times. Like yourself, I can’t imagine myself having been anything other than a liberal but you know what, I have a lot of friends here who started out on a different path and they do feel the party left them. You’re right. Those you speak of did engage in that but we’re human beings. Even my grandfather, the man who influenced my Dad and by extension my liberalism was born into a Republican family in Pittsburgh.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 8:57:41am

re: #430 JordanRules

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 5, 2018 • 8:58:19am

re: #449 JordanRules

Trump seems to invoke the yucky, squeamish stuff a lot.

It’s gross, and therefore bad. But what fascinates me is that subsequent leap of it’s gross, therefore bad, therefore Wrong in the sense of morally worse than other things.

Look at “blood coming out of her…whatever.” He was trashing a woman’s words by evoking her period…because gross (to him) is bad and is wrong and Wrong.

You can see this with the glowing generalities—the Hallmark 60s-TV version of the 50s suburban family—that are used to characterize a good, moral society.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 8:58:39am

re: #457 Anymouse 🌹

Oh man feel better soon!

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 8:59:09am

re: #460 Unshaken Defiance

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Indeed, they always talk about sacrifice to the people who can least afford to do so and talk about it least to those who can afford it the most.

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mmmirele  May 5, 2018 • 8:59:13am

Oh, and if you want yet another explanation as to why the religious right was so dead set against Hillary Clinton, I give you this, Paige Patterson’s testimony in the Sherri Klouda lawsuit. Dr. Klouda was canned from her teaching position at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, not because she was unqualified, but because she was female. Ultimately the case settled, but not before some depositions were taken. Here’s a brief snippet from one of them.

Well I don’t take a position about anything else, because the Bible is not crystal clear on it. The Bible does say in the Book of Isaiah, that it is something of an indication of a wicked society when women rule over them.

And yes, he appears to have yanked that straight out of Isaiah 3:12.

Note that when good churchgoing people hear this over and over and over again in the rambling nonsense that a lot of the men occupying pulpits call sermons, it gets hammered into their heads that women should not be leaders. And that, as much as anything else, told the people of the religious right that they should not vote for Clinton.

*sigh* Jesus save us from your professional followers!

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Amory Blaine  May 5, 2018 • 8:59:37am

Absence of dudebros and berners is bliss.

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BeachDem  May 5, 2018 • 9:01:32am

re: #449 JordanRules

Trump seems to invoke the yucky, squeamish stuff a lot.

And with him, it’s the blood, not the violence—as noted in his repulsive comments about the old guy who fell at MaraGaudy (who had the nerve to desecrate the probably fake marble floors.)

So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. And you know what I did? I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away,” said Trump. “I couldn’t, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him… he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red. And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away. ‘Oh my God! This is terrible! This is disgusting!’ and you know, they’re turning away. Nobody wants to help the guy. His wife is screaming—she’s sitting right next to him, and she’s screaming.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:01:46am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

I first heard about LGF becaues a good friend of mine really disliked how hawkish Charles was on Iraq but he told me to give it a look when Charles did one of his first major breaks with the right and that was over the growing Eurofascists in Europe. Charles to his credit never liked them while much of the right was embracing them in the name of “Anti Islamism.”

I was on a site called Moon of Alabama, writing critically of the mullahs who were upset about the Mohammed cartoon kerfuffle and they told me to “go post at Little Green Footballs”. Must’ve been around 2007.

It was rather conservative and anti-Islam at the time, but they did not tolerate creationists or science deniers and the tone was generally civil.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:02:33am

re: #447 The Ghost of a Flea

I have this incomplete thought about the way aestheticism is so deeply imbedded in authoritarian thinking, and it applies to this gun/knife bit. Basically…impressions that evoke strong emotions are True, in the epistemological sense, so everything, including policy, becomes about what looks good on a very shallow level.

All of that shit about “blood everywhere” and “stab wounds” is about squeamishness and the impression of violence with a knife being worse violence because it’s more…viscerally ugly…fits into that pattern.

and beheadings, those have a particularly powerful effect on audiences

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 9:06:28am

I hope we can generally agree the track the Republican party runs has gotten more extreme over the years. Just pull up the winning party platform for each year a Republican won the highest office. You can see the changes from an NRA that was once fine with registering guns and the NFA, to a pro Union plank in Eisenhowers day. It’s a long road that may have been pointed in the wrong direction but most unfortunately has narrowed to billionaire white men only.

I opine that is a large enough shift to point at some where and say, yes, that’s where they went too far. Legit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:07:10am

re: #469 Unshaken Defiance

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 5, 2018 • 9:08:23am

re: #458 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. See my 424 which I see lol you did already. I just don’t know how I feel about Painter going directly to the Senate. I think that’s fair don’t you?

I can definitely agree with that assessment. I just don’t like the opposition to ex-Republicans. Sure, we should be confident of their intentions before believing them; if Sarah Huckabee Sanders told me tomorrow that she’d seen the light, I’d tell her to go piss up a rope. But maybe in 30 years, some former Trumpers might actually have seen how damaging their orange god was to the country, and if they’re sincere, I might actually believe them (whilst keeping them at arm’s length).

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:08:27am

re: #469 Unshaken Defiance

I hope we can generally agree the track the Republican party has gotten more extreme over the years. Just pull up the winning party platform for each year a Republican won the highest office. You can see the changes from an NRA that was once fine with registering guns and the NFA, to a pro Union plank in Eisenhowers day. It’s a long road that may have been pointed in the wrong direction but most unfortunately has narrowed to billionaire white men only.

I opine that is a large enough shift to point at some where and say, yes, that’s where they went too far. Legit.

Yes. Anyhow, I still remember when PLL tried to suggest you didn’t care about victims of police brutality and racism because of your views on guns. Man that pissed me off. I don’t think PLL was a bad guy but he was very intolerant too often.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:09:28am

re: #471 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I can definitely agree with that assessment. I just don’t like the opposition to ex-Republicans. Sure, we should be confident of their intentions before believing them; if Sarah Huckabee Sanders told me tomorrow that she’d seen the light, I’d tell her to go piss up a rope. But maybe in 30 years, some former Trumpers might actually have seen how damaging their orange god was to the country, and if they’re sincere, I might actually believe them (whilst keeping them at arm’s length).

Correct. I’m fine with Painter seeing the light. I just don’t know if I want him to be Senator. We’ll see what happens. I do believe in political redemption.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:10:26am

re: #472 HappyWarrior

Yes. Anyhow, I still remember when PLL tried to suggest you didn’t care about victims of police brutality and racism because of your views on guns. Man that pissed me off. I don’t think PLL was a bad guy but he was very intolerant too often.

Policemen with guns are a different matter than civilians with guns. Especially when they are toting such weapons around in public.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 9:12:59am

re: #453 wrenchwench

Embarrassing evidence won’t go away. Thanks for the sympathy. It meant a lot to get ‘absolution’ from CuriousLurker. We are so fortunate she came back when she said she was leaving. Some of us will never forget her. {sigh}

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:13:33am

re: #474 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Policemen with guns are a different matter than civilians with guns. Especially when they are toting such weapons around in public.

Correct. I was just stating that PLL suggesting that UD being relatively moderate and more conservative than the average lizard on gun issues meant he didn’t care about racism directed at people was absurd and I gladly defended him when PLL did that.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:14:40am

re: #453 wrenchwench

Embarrassing evidence won’t go away. Thanks for the sympathy. It meant a lot to get ‘absolution’ from CuriousLurker. We are so fortunate she came back when she said she was leaving. Some of us will never forget her. {sigh}

You’re only human. I briefly thought I was pro-life. Who the hell am I to judge people? I miss CL too. What a great lady and poster.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:15:22am

Heads up, free cones!

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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2018 • 9:15:38am

Well, well, well. Looks like my Senator is just as corrupt as Scott Pruitt.

Crapo campaign used D.C. condo 81 times at no cost

The townhouse is the same one that drew attention earlier this year, after Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt rented it from Hart and her husband, J. Steven Hart, for well below market rates.

“Hart recently informed the committee that the cost of the event space is $100 per use,” states the letter.

Which is still way below what they would of had to pay for a equally sized office space.

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dangerman  May 5, 2018 • 9:16:20am

re: #460 Unshaken Defiance

Let’s do what he want’s but starting at the top incomes. Every rich guy who says stupid stuff like this has his lease/rents/mortgages raised to 115% of how much they can actually afford. If most of them prevail then just maybe they can suggest this for middle and low incomes.

absolutely

proof of concept by the folks making the suggestion

heck - Paul Ehrlich even injected himself

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:16:27am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

You’re only human. I briefly thought I was pro-life. Who the hell am I to judge people? I miss CL too. What a great lady and poster.

I am opposed to abortion in the sense that I think it is a very bad form of birth control, but I am not in favor of criminalizing women who choose it or to deny them access to.

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Alephnaught  May 5, 2018 • 9:16:59am

re: #383 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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To link back to the topic, in which the Bob Cesca show mentions about Cambridge Analytics shutting down, here’s the Guardian report from Wednesday.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 9:17:38am

re: #472 HappyWarrior

Yes. Anyhow, I still remember when PLL tried to suggest you didn’t care about victims of police brutality and racism because of your views on guns. Man that pissed me off. I don’t think PLL was a bad guy but he was very intolerant too often.

I recall that episode well. And I sure appreciated the defense. Surely when my views on guns (and a few other things) are oversimplified they look awful. Details matter. Intolerance means overlooking nuance and anything contrary to your view. Here we dig into those nuances or details. Unflinching fact finding happens here. So there is room for a wide span of us here.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:18:03am

Wonky Beyer! Good thread.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2018 • 9:18:25am

re: #475 Unshaken Defiance

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Belafon  May 5, 2018 • 9:19:11am

re: #448 Dr Lizardo

A gun is a more impersonal way of killing - you don’t have to be up close, feeling the blade sliding in, the blood (literally) on your hands.

There’s much less blood spilled if your heart stops.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:21:13am

re: #483 Unshaken Defiance

I recall that episode well. And I sure appreciated the defense. Surely when my views on guns (and a few other things) are oversimplified they look awful. Details matter. Intolerance means overlooking nuance and anything contrary to your view. Here we dig into those nuances or details. Unflinching fact finding happens here. So there is room for a wide span of us here.

I always disagreed with you but I felt you were coming from a thoughtful place rather than a place of partisanship.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:21:38am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 5, 2018 • 9:21:50am

re: #381 wheat-dogg

What’s never been properly explained is the integration of those equations with the spontaneous generation of silver hammers that kill people.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:21:51am

re: #484 JordanRules

Wonky Beyer! Good thread.

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I like Beyer so much more than Jim Moran who he replaced when Moran retired. Moran was a hothead.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2018 • 9:21:53am

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am opposed to abortion in the sense that I think it is a very bad form of birth control, but I am not in favor of criminalizing women who choose it or to deny them access to.

Calling it a bad form of birth control is criticizing every woman who wants one. The only birth control not subject to failure is sterilization. That’s not a choice women should be forced into.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:22:09am

re: #488 JordanRules

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Psycho twit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:22:22am

re: #448 Dr Lizardo

A gun is a more impersonal way of killing - you don’t have to be up close, feeling the blade sliding in, the blood (literally) on your hands.

few cases of mass murders perpetrated by someone throwing knives out of a hotel window into a crowd…

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:22:51am

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am opposed to abortion in the sense that I think it is a very bad form of birth control, but I am not in favor of criminalizing women who choose it or to deny them access to.

I don’t think women are using abortion as a form of BC. See what WW just said.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:23:30am

re: #491 wrenchwench

Calling it a bad form of birth control is criticizing every woman who wants one. The only birth control not subject to failure is sterilization. That’s not a choice women should be forced into.

I realized I was firmly pro-choice when someone very near to me was involved with an abortion. I realized as a man, I had no place to judge.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:24:32am

re: #491 wrenchwench

Calling it a bad form of birth control is criticizing every woman who wants one. The only birth control not subject to failure is sterilization. That’s not a choice women should be forced into.

not contraception, but birth control. and only in the broadest sense of the world.

not criticizing women who make that choice, I just think that it is unfortunate that our society often leaves women with few viable alternatives

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:26:03am

Father of Parkland student Joaquin Oliver who was murdered at school.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:26:47am

Even when I thought I was pro-life, I did hate the anti abortion movement. I never thought it was proper to go to the clinics to shout at people. I did think that maybe the counseling was okay but I realize now that a pregnancy is a very personal issue to a woman and ultimately it should be her choice. My sister in law loves her daughter, my niece very much but she told me that the pregnancy experience made her firmly pro-choice. I still remember a childhood friend saying “Just give up the kid for adoption” as if pregnancy is that simple.

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wrenchwench  May 5, 2018 • 9:27:01am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

I realized I was firmly pro-choice when someone very near to me was involved with an abortion. I realized as a man, I had no place to judge.

I have come to look at anti-choice as anti-science. Nature aborts so many embryos, to disallow a woman to choose one is anti-woman. Both sexes have rights to access scientific knowledge.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:27:29am

re: #499 wrenchwench

I have come to look at anti-choice as anti-science. Nature aborts so many embryos, to disallow a woman to choose one is anti-woman. Both sexes have rights to access scientific knowledge.

Absolutely.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 9:27:52am
New Page up, boy has the NSA run rampant under Trump.
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:27:53am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

I realized I was firmly pro-choice when someone very near to me was involved with an abortion. I realized as a man, I had no place to judge.

that is also my opinion as a man

I just want to say that our society is big on restricting access, banning or even criminalizing abortion while offering few alternatives to women to think about keeping their babies

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 5, 2018 • 9:28:17am

re: #498 HappyWarrior

I’m still pro-life and I despise the anti-abortion movement. I may not like abortion personally, but believing that it’s okay to kill people just because you think they’re killing babies is disgusting.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:29:23am

re: #503 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m still pro-life and I despise the anti-abortion movement. I may not like abortion personally, but believing that it’s okay to kill people just because you think they’re killing babies is disgusting.

Or even harassing people. I would respect that movement so much more if they cared about helping pregnant women but they clearly don’t. They care about slut shaming.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:32:21am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 5, 2018 • 9:32:25am

re: #504 HappyWarrior

Or even harassing people. I would respect that movement so much more if they cared about helping pregnant women but they clearly don’t. They care about slut shaming.

Yeah, exactly. Picketing abortion clinics and harassing women who are making what might possibly be the most difficult decision of their lives is so fucking stupid. Again, I may not like abortion personally, but I am damn well not about to judge a woman who feels it is her only choice, and I’d really rather she do that than have a child that will most likely wind up in the system. Until we have a proper support network in place for women who seek alternatives to abortion, I don’t see that we have a choice but to allow it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:35:23am

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:38:19am

LOL at anybody thinking they can sustain approval from this idiot.

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jeffreyw  May 5, 2018 • 9:41:34am
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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 9:41:43am

re: #503 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m still pro-life and I despise the anti-abortion movement. I may not like abortion personally, but believing that it’s okay to kill people just because you think they’re killing babies is disgusting.

For me the most compelling anti abortion arguments come from pro life doctors, OB/GYN in particular. Much more sensible than religious or republican points. The bottom line is any adult can make their own medical decisions. In the absolute sense. So, what she says wins, come what may.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 5, 2018 • 9:41:58am

Don’t have time to verify, but the concept is awesome.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:43:46am

re: #511 I Would Prefer Not To

Don’t have time to verify, but the concept is awesome.

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You gotta see the eyes on the bus!

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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 9:45:16am

re: #457 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I can’t say for sure. I view “the party left me” statement with some scepticism, particularly since it has been racist, misogynistic, and hateful toward the poor all my life.

Perhaps many people (including those you cite here) didn’t see that. That’s fine; the correct answer would be “I didn’t see that,” not “the party left me.”

I imagine most Republican voters aren’t racists. Those who bailed on the GOP saw what they really stand for. But the party didn’t leave them, those voters learned what the party was really about.

Mr. Painter is using the same excuse, as a powerful person in a Republican administration, after the party planted its racist flag during Goldwater’s run for President. I find it difficult to believe he didn’t know what they were about when he served in the White House.

I was able to figure it out when Ronald Reagan opened his campaign on the site of slain civil rights workers and laid a wreath in an SS cemetery in West Germany. Mr. Painter has the benefit of many political connexions and education I can never hope to attain, yet he claims “the party left him?”

I am going to need to bail now … I have an exploding migraine headache. My medication is kicking in for that and I need to lie down. Catch y’all later… .

‘mouse, painter did not nor has he ever used that tired ‘the party left me’ line.

He has been railing against Trump since he announced his run. He has been critical of Republicans for allowing Trump to do what he is doing and for actually working with him. All while being a Republican. He seemed to want to fix his party from within.

It was just recently that he grew so tired of them that he seems to have had a come-to-Jesus-moment and realized there is no fixing them.

So he simply announced he has switched parties. He didn’t do it with any ‘look at me’ fanfare or anything.

After seeing him speak on all of this for the past two years at least, it actually surprised me he announced the change, but then when you think of it, it really wasn’t a surprise.

I understand being suspicious, but I also understand that we may be seeing more of this happening.

If it fixes this country’s politics, I am in for their changing. It might be the only way to either fix the GOP or have it die.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 9:45:39am

re: #511 I Would Prefer Not To

Don’t have time to verify, but the concept is awesome.

Double whammy, because the bus lines still have the operating costs for the buses…

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 9:47:50am

re: #509 jeffreyw

Your autonomous car ride will be free if you agree to be hypnotized by the animated ad displays along the route.

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Amory Blaine  May 5, 2018 • 9:49:36am

re: #509 jeffreyw

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Bladerunner is here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 9:50:16am

re: #430 JordanRules

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Bottom line—Carson wants the poor to be homeless.

He’s going to regret that when the poor turn on him!

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jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 9:50:25am

“BUT WE CHANGED OUR NAME!”

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jeffreyw  May 5, 2018 • 9:51:16am

re: #515 jaunte

Your autonomous car ride will be free if you agree to be hypnotized by the animated ad displays along the route.

That’s some Blade Runner shit, that display. Can’t wait till it’s a hologram!

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:51:34am
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wrenchwench  May 5, 2018 • 9:53:17am

re: #496 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not contraception, but birth control. and only in the broadest sense of the world.

not criticizing women who make that choice, I just think that it is unfortunate that our society often leaves women with few viable alternatives

There is no alternative to a woman’s need for access to a safe abortion, for whatever reason, which is nobody’s business but her own, and who ever she wants to include. And, yes, pro-choice includes supporting a woman who wants to have a baby.

(Answer delayed by customerage. Now on a test ride.)

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PhillyPretzel  May 5, 2018 • 9:54:21am

re: #520 JordanRules

Hey the greased pole actually works. Wow.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:54:39am

re: #521 wrenchwench

There is no alternative to a woman’s need for access to a safe abortion, for whatever reason, which is nobody’s business but her own, and who ever she wants to include. And, yes, pro-choice includes supporting a woman who wants to have a baby.

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So called pro lifers act astonished when pro choice people get excited for a pregnancy or new baby. They’re ignoring the pro choice part.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 5, 2018 • 9:55:19am

re: #519 jeffreyw

That’s some Blade Runner shit, that display. Can’t wait till it’s a hologram!

There are dot-matrix displays that show fortune-cookie-like aphorisms in the University Street Station of the Seattle bus tunnel. They depend on your eye sweeping across them or the saccade movements of your eyeball to show up—no rotation. Kind of primitive in comparison, but then they’ve been there since 1990.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:55:50am

re: #522 PhillyPretzel

Hey the greased pole actually works. Wow.

Worked better on squirrels than Eagles fans. LOL

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:56:11am

Oh and if I have to see Margaret Sanger used to disparage the choice movement again, I’m going to go nuts. Nearly everyone accepted some form of eugenics back then unfortunately. Sanger wasn’t the only one and unlike many she actually worked with African Americans.

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PhillyPretzel  May 5, 2018 • 9:56:31am

re: #525 JordanRules

That is right. Eagles fans are a different breed.

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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 9:57:03am

re: #508 JordanRules

LOL at anybody thinking they can sustain approval from this idiot.

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In about two months Donny is not going to like anyone. He is running out of allies.

Maybe he is going to lock himself into his White House residence bedroom with his phone and refuse to come out.

Which might be good, because at that point maybe it will finally be clear the man is unstable and a danger to this country.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:57:45am

re: #528 ObserverArt

In about two months Donny is not going to like anyone. He is running out of allies.

Maybe he is going to lock himself into his White House residence bedroom with his phone and refuse to come out.

Which might be good, because at that point maybe it will finally be clear the man is unstable and a danger to this country.

I do wonder who will be the last person standing with him.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 9:58:31am

re: #529 JordanRules

I do wonder who will be the last person standing with him.

Stephen Miller or Ivanka.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 9:59:25am

re: #530 HappyWarrior

Stephen Miller or Ivanka.

I think so too.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 5, 2018 • 10:00:21am

re: #528 ObserverArt

In about two months Donny is not going to like anyone. He is running out of allies.

Maybe he is going to lock himself into his White House residence bedroom with his phone and refuse to come out.

Which might be good, because at that point maybe it will finally be clear the man is unstable and a danger to this country.

He’s obviously getting angrier and angrier. I fully expect some kind of frothing psychotic episode on camera eventually. The real question then is: Will the media ignore it, make excuses for it, or finally come to their senses?

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Ace Rothstein  May 5, 2018 • 10:01:16am

re: #529 JordanRules

I do wonder who will be the last person standing with him.

Pence.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 5, 2018 • 10:01:24am

re: #521 wrenchwench

There is no alternative to a woman’s need for access to a safe abortion, for whatever reason, which is nobody’s business but her own, and who ever she wants to include. And, yes, pro-choice includes supporting a woman who wants to have a baby.

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Hence, Pro-Choice.

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I cannot.  May 5, 2018 • 10:03:05am

re: #531 JordanRules

Of the two, Miller. Or the dumb one…Uday or Qusay…whichever one is the dumb one.

Duvet would be LONG gone by then, Pence would be pushing him out the door, so he can get his Republic of Gilead/End Times on…

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 10:03:06am

re: #533 Ace Rothstein

Pence.

Oh! I was indeed forgetting the replacement guy holding the shiv!

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BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 10:03:28am

I have questions.

Bald Man Bun
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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2018 • 10:04:24am

re: #533 Ace Rothstein

Pence.

Nah. Pence will be behind him, with the metaphorical knife. You may have perhaps forgot that he was Manafort’s pick, Not tRumps.

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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 10:07:49am

re: #521 wrenchwench

There is no alternative to a woman’s need for access to a safe abortion, for whatever reason, which is nobody’s business but her own, and who ever she wants to include. And, yes, pro-choice includes supporting a woman who wants to have a baby.

(Answer delayed by customerage. Now on a test ride.)

I know it has been said before…but what is it going to take for people all to realize pro-choice means you can be anti-abortion.

Keyword: You (yours).

Don’t like abortions, then do not have one and by all means make sure you prevent anyone YOU know from having to consider having one.

It is only one position that leads to all kinds of problems…no choice anti-abortion.

Then add in medical privacy, small government thinking, science and a big old dose of reality that anti-abortion never has worked and their should only be one position…the one the freaking Supreme Court ruled on.

So Republicans and Conservatives and anyone touting The Rule of Law™ there is your ruling law. You may take a seat now and shut up.

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JordanRules  May 5, 2018 • 10:08:08am
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 5, 2018 • 10:08:11am

Rango update - He has 10 teeth left. Pretty sure they took the big molars, but he’s still got his cuspids and the little pointy bastards right behind them.

Last night he was pretty dopey, but you could tell he was recovering. He had a nice bowl of ice cream.

This morning he is like a somewhat subdued version of normal Rango, even bugging Mrs. FBW for food, and taking his pills in the Pill Poppers like a champ!

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Ace Rothstein  May 5, 2018 • 10:08:31am

re: #538 Bubblehead II

Nah. Pence will be behind him, with the metaphorical knife. You may have perhaps forgot that he was Manafort’s pick, Not tRumps.

Alrighty then. Hannity?

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 10:08:39am

re: #533 Ace Rothstein

Pence.

Too obvious. I say Miller because he’s intensely loyal to Trump and his agenda.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 5, 2018 • 10:08:57am

re: #537 BigPapa

I have questions.

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I just have one - Why?

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Bubblehead II  May 5, 2018 • 10:12:03am

re: #542 Ace Rothstein

Alrighty then. Hannity?

Nah. tRump is about ready to throw him under the bus along with Rudy. I’ll go with Ivanka

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PhillyPretzel  May 5, 2018 • 10:12:33am

re: #537 BigPapa

re: #544 Blind Frog Belly White

When I saw that I was reminded of my Ward Leader, Gary. He did something similar a few years ago. Thankfully it has disappeared.

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Varek Raith  May 5, 2018 • 10:13:01am

Airshow at the local airport.
F-22 flew over. Never heard a jet engine sound quite like that before.

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ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 10:14:24am

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Too obvious. I say Miller because he’s intensely loyal to Trump and his agenda.

Miller is so damned evil I wouldn’t trust him either. If he sees Trump is no longer a means he could dump on him too. Then he would go look for the next asshole he could attach to so he could go about being the extreme bigot/racist asshole he is.

Miller needs situations to work in.

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HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 10:15:01am

re: #548 ObserverArt

Miller is so damned evil I wouldn’t trust him either. If he sees Trump is no longer a means he could dump on him too. Then he would go look for the next asshole he could attach to so he could go about being the extreme bigot/racist asshole he is.

Miller needs situations to work in.

Damn, that’s a good point.

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I cannot.  May 5, 2018 • 10:15:16am

re: #543 HappyWarrior

While I did say Miller would be more loyal than Ivanka…Miller isn’t loyal to Trump or his agenda.

Miller is loyal to his agenda which is basically Trump’s agenda…however, he will cheerfully shank his boss if it gets in the way of hating the browns.

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dangerman  May 5, 2018 • 10:21:37am

re: #522 PhillyPretzel

Hey the greased pole actually works. Wow.

Squirrely Daniels?

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BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 10:22:02am

It was brilliant on Manafort’s part to push for Pence. Critical to locking down the Evilgelicals. They are holding firm.

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dangerman  May 5, 2018 • 10:27:24am

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Too obvious. I say Miller because he’s intensely loyal to Trump and his agenda.

A lot of it is Miller’s agenda

554
BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 10:29:49am
555
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 10:30:13am

re: #534 Blind Frog Belly White

Hence, Pro-Choice.

choosing not to be a slut is the only choice the pro-life people can get behind

556
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 10:31:27am

re: #547 Varek Raith

Airshow at the local airport.
F-22 flew over. Never heard a jet engine sound quite like that before.

we get an old Junkers-52 trimotor doing panorama flights over the Rhine valley, I can hear those motors from a long way off and always go out to look…

557
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 5, 2018 • 10:33:44am
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stpaulbear  May 5, 2018 • 10:35:34am

re: #456 HappyWarrior

We need allies for sure man but I don’t know if giving him the keys to one of our Senate seats is the answer. Now if the voters of Minnesota disagree with me, I’ll gladly root for him to be Senator.

I’m with you. My foremost feelings about the guy is that he’s coming at it as a carpetbagger. If Trump weren’t the president, he wouldn’t be running as a democrat, he probably wouldn’t be running at all, and he’d still be a lifelong republican. When Trump is no longer president, he’ll probably go back to being a republican again. He’s not jumping in at the base level, he’s going after the top spot in MN DFL politics when Tina Smith has been doing a great job. He strikes me as just another entitled rich white guy and in today’s political climate I trust him about as far as I can throw him.

That said, I have voted for republicans in the past who were actually in the republican party. Dave Durrenberger was great on health care policy, and Arne Carlson was just a good guy to have as MN governor. They did good work while remaining republican.

Let Painter OWN being a lifelong republican and try to change his OWN party from inside. Isn’t that what so many readers here are wanting to happen? A reasonable republican party?

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Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 10:35:56am

re: #554 BigPapa

249 earthquakes in 24 hours. Yeehaw!

Hey just find a patch of lawn, lie down and enjoy the free massage, courtesy Pele.

560
Blind Frog Belly White  May 5, 2018 • 10:39:39am

re: #554 BigPapa

Hawaii Bro in Hilo reports they’ve felt a couple of them, especially the 6.9 and a 5.0 earlier, but for all that they’re only about 30 miles away, they were pretty attenuated.

561
BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 10:41:39am

re: #559 Unshaken Defiance

Hey just find a patch of lawn, lie down and enjoy the free massage, courtesy Pele.

Molten Martini:
2 parts coconut vodka
1 part fresh lilikoi juice
splash bitters
lay down on grass, wait for minimum 3.5 earthquake to shake

562
wrenchwench  May 5, 2018 • 10:43:35am

re: #561 BigPapa

Molten Martini:
2 parts coconut vodka
1 part fresh lilikoi juice
splash bitters
lay down on grass, wait for minimum 3.5 earthquake to shake

Those long shakes are the worst. It only takes about 30 seconds to start thinking, ‘What if it never stops?’

563
jaunte  May 5, 2018 • 10:46:53am

How Republicans are made:

564
BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 10:47:18am

This is crazy. I’ve been there when it was mostly full and pretty stable and boring. Now it’s empty.

565
Jay C  May 5, 2018 • 10:49:05am

re: #560 Blind Frog Belly White

Hawaii Bro in Hilo reports they’ve felt a couple of them, especially the 6.9 and a 5.0 earlier, but for all that they’re only about 30 miles away, they were pretty attenuated.

Likely because (by geologic standards) the Kilauea caldera and its outflow tubes are relatively close to the surface - when the faults that are located further down move, the quake waves propagate further.

That said, the folks who live near Kilauea (and I was surprised to see, on maps, how populated the immediate area of that volcano is) ought to be seriously checking that their “go bags” are topped up and ready.

ETA: as noted in #564….

566
BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 11:04:49am

This whips up the old rage in me. We were primed for Trumpism years before.

How The ACORN Scandal Seeded Today’s Nightmare Politics
Breitbart led the charge, but Democrats delivered the killing blow. Has anyone really learned?
By Zach Carter and Arthur Delaney

ACORN had survived for more than 40 years. Its sudden collapse was a defining moment in 21st century American politics. The explosive cocktail of racism, dishonesty, incompetence and cowardice that brought down the organization reveals as much about Washington Democrats as it does about the conservative movement. It marked the Republican Party’s full transition from the coded winks and nods of Richard Nixon’s “Southern strategy” to the bellicose white nativism that defines Donald Trump, and it exposed a Democratic Party establishment unprepared for dirty tricks in the Digital Age and unwilling to defend many of the black voters and activists it claimed to represent.

567
Barefoot Grin  May 5, 2018 • 11:05:03am

Earlier today I saw Fox News covering the Lisa Page and James Baker retirements in the way you’d expect—as if they were “deep state” villains. The chyron said “Baker allegedly leaked parts of dossier.” The only place I could find this allegation was Washington Timesand Newsmax. This purge/smear campaign is ruthless. But the good news is:

568
HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 11:07:50am

re: #566 BigPapa

This whips up the old rage in me. We were primed for Trumpism years before.

How The ACORN Scandal Seeded Today’s Nightmare Politics
Breitbart led the charge, but Democrats delivered the killing blow. Has anyone really learned?
By Zach Carter and Arthur Delaney

There what pisses me off when people like Shapiro try to claim Bannon distorted Breitbart’s legacy. Seems to me that he did exactly what Andrew would be proud of.

569
Unshaken Defiance  May 5, 2018 • 11:08:15am

re: #564 BigPapa

Wait so it’s not flowing out anywhere visible?

570
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 11:10:56am

re: #568 HappyWarrior

There what pisses me off when people like Shapiro try to claim Bannon distorted Breitbart’s legacy. Seems to me that he did exactly what Andrew would be proud of.

The Shirley Sherrod distortion was another example of how they used Democratic cowardice to advance their agenda, that was an amazing bit of destructive journalism that went unchallenged.

571
Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  May 5, 2018 • 11:11:54am

re: #569 Unshaken Defiance

Wait so it’s not flowing out anywhere visible?

And if that’s the case, what does it all mean?

572
BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 11:12:35am

re: #569 Unshaken Defiance

Not sure. There is speculation that all the lava in the vent is flowing out down in Leilani Estates, as it’s lower elevation. But they’re not sure of that yet.

USGS has a ton of geek gluttony on it.

573
HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 11:15:14am

re: #570 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Shirley Sherrod distortion was another example of how they used Democratic cowardice to advance their agenda, that was an amazing bit of destructive journalism that went unchallenged.

Yes it was. I hated how Vilsack and Obama handled that.

574
BeachDem  May 5, 2018 • 11:15:22am

re: #566 BigPapa

This whips up the old rage in me. We were primed for Trumpism years before.

How The ACORN Scandal Seeded Today’s Nightmare Politics
Breitbart led the charge, but Democrats delivered the killing blow. Has anyone really learned?
By Zach Carter and Arthur Delaney

Also, often missing in stories about ACORN is that the group was very active in promoting living wage ordinances.

I am still disappointed/angry/nauseated by the way the Democrats joined in the ugly war against ACORN. I’ll give Bernie Sanders one point (rare for me) in that he voted against de-funding (along with Gillebrand, Burris, Casey, Durbin, Leahy, and Whitehouse.)

575
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 11:17:23am

re: #573 HappyWarrior

Yes it was. I hated how Vilsack and Obama handled that.

I did some research and it seems there were some unsavory background details involving Sherrod receiving certain payments from the Dept of Agriculture for clients that she represented that neither Vilsack nor Obama wanted to have aired, so they were forced to let it ride.

A true piece of evil genius.

576
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 5, 2018 • 11:22:35am

re: #478 JordanRules

Heads up, free cones!

[Embedded content]

That was last night at VB’s house…

577
BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 11:23:50am

The deranged lunatics ranting on late night AM radio have become normalized because we ‘both sides’d’ them in our desire to be seen as polite.

578
ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 11:28:28am

BeachDem,

I saw you make a comment in the great hamburger debate about having done some work for Wendy’s advertising agency when you were in Columbus.

Was that Shelly Berman Communications?

579
Joe Bacon 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 11:39:09am

I remember when Dad and I went to the original Wendy’s in Columbus. Dad took that first bite and he told me, “This sure ain’t McDonald’s!”

Dad wound up ordering another burger, chili and Frosty. I just sat there amazed…

580
Joe Bacon 🌹  May 5, 2018 • 11:43:09am

But now here in Los Angeles the greatest burgers are made at Cassell’s on 6th & Normandie.

And their incredible SECRET RECIPE potato salad…

581
makeitstop  May 5, 2018 • 11:43:48am

re: #335 A Mom Anon

Corey Taylor is my new secret boyfriend, don’t tell anyone….

Grohl’s gonna be jelly.

I’m glad your son got to meet Corey. And glad you got to dance to the Foos.

582
BeachDem  May 5, 2018 • 11:47:35am

re: #578 ObserverArt

BeachDem,

I saw you make a comment in the great hamburger debate about having done some work for Wendy’s advertising agency when you were in Columbus.

Was that Shelly Berman Communications?

Sorry to take so long, had to do an Internet search to find the name of the agency—it was
Backer Spielvogel Bates—when I freelanced for them it was during the “Best Burger in the Business” campaign with the obnoxious British guy and the ads where Dave Thomas was the spokesperson.

583
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 11:49:01am

re: #579 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember when Dad and I went to the original Wendy’s in Columbus. Dad took that first bite and he told me, “This sure ain’t McDonald’s!”

Dad wound up ordering another burger, chili and Frosty. I just sat there amazed…

In my student days I learned that you could order a chili, eat half of it and then “top it up” with free crackers, ketchup and hot sauce and stretch another half-serving out of it…

584
BigPapa  May 5, 2018 • 11:53:43am

Time for some feel good stuff.

585
Charles Johnson  May 5, 2018 • 11:54:08am

re: #442 wrenchwench

Post 9/11 trauma was/is a real thing. I had it, I suspect Charles had it. These things can be recovered from, after they lead you astray. That said, I came for the bike posts, I stay for the politics. The feminism is one of the most attractive parts.

Yes. A lot of people seem to have the mistaken impression that I was a lifelong Republican who “suddenly” flipped and became a liberal. That’s not correct. In fact, I voted Democrat in every presidential election, and my politics were very much to the left, until 9/11.

The reality is that throwing off my 9/11 trauma was for me a return to the same political views I’d always had.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 5, 2018 • 11:59:56am

re: #585 Charles Johnson

The reality is that throwing off my 9/11 trauma was for me a return to the same political views I’d always had.

9/11 turned a lot of people totally against Islam.

There is no question that Fundamentalist Islam is a threat to the freedoms that we have struggled to attain but we have to be careful not to equate it with the whole of the religion.

it does not help that we see nations such as Saudi Arabia as “moderate” Muslims because they are our allies, even though they actively fund and support Wahabism and were home to Bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 assailants

Meanwhile, we worked to topple secular regimes in Iran, Afghanistan Iraq and Libya. The latter were not particularly savory, but were nonetheless no fans of moments like the Taliban, Isis or Al-Qaeda.

587
ObserverArt  May 5, 2018 • 12:02:20pm

re: #582 BeachDem

Sorry to take so long, had to do an Internet search to find the name of the agency—it was
Backer Spielvogel Bates—when I freelanced for them it was during the “Best Burger in the Business” campaign with the obnoxious British guy and the ads where Dave Thomas was the spokesperson.

Thanks! I was wondering. Now that I think about it, I am now thinking Wendy’s was not one of SBC’s clients.

I used to do production work in the summers while going to CCAD back in ‘75 and ‘76. Shelly Berman Communications was in an old house on Oak Street right next to I-71 downtown. Since a lot of us art students lived on the near East side, it was easy to work there.

At that time Berman had The Limited, Ohio National Bank, Continental Office Furniture and some others.

One of the Art Directors was a guy by the name of Bob Brucken. What I remember now is Brucken moved to another agency in Columbus that had Wendy’s in like ‘77, ‘78 or so. I and a buddy from CCAD had a small design partnership and we did some layouts and paste-ups of national Wendy’s ads back then.

I still remember going over hundreds of slides of a woman biting into a Wendy’s double with everything…custom-kitchen photo prepared burger. We were looking for that just right shot. Took all damn day.

That all gave me a full understanding of what big agency work was going to be like. It made me stay away from big agencies!

588
HappyWarrior  May 5, 2018 • 12:09:38pm

re: #585 Charles Johnson

Yes. A lot of people seem to have the mistaken impression that I was a lifelong Republican who “suddenly” flipped and became a liberal. That’s not correct. In fact, I voted Democrat in every presidential election, and my politics were very much to the left, until 9/11.

The reality is that throwing off my 9/11 trauma was for me a return to the same political views I’d always had.

Glad I remembered correctly. And thank you for having the best political blog on the Internet. I mean that.

589
BeachDem  May 5, 2018 • 12:18:27pm

re: #587 ObserverArt

I think Shelly had Wendy’s right before BSB—it was always kind of confusing, because they usually had a national agency and a local one. BSB’s office was on 161 in Dublin, right near the Wendy’s offices (hence the reason you could only bring Wendy’s into the office as corporate peeps were always dropping by to stick their noses in.

Now you’ve forced me to find my portfolio and pull out some of the Wendy’s stuff I worked on—tray liners for SuperBar, when they added pasta and burritos—that didn’t last long; Crispier Fries; and a calendar with ideas for going to Wendy’s every day. I mostly worked on radio and TV stuff—do remember production with Dave Thomas was painful—he was a really nice guy, but difficult to direct on camera.

Memories—misty watercolor memories…hey, everyone has moved upstairs, but we can reminisce here…


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