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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:06:29pm
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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 7:10:20pm

Did we decide? Who plays Avenatti in the movie?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:12:11pm
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Unshaken Defiance  May 8, 2018 • 7:12:38pm

Lol that is just perfectly effed up narration. “kickstarter toilet cam inventor gets a break”

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 7:14:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:15:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:19:29pm
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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 7:20:20pm

As expected…Mike DeWine wins Republican primary for Governor. Will be a hotly contested election between him and Richard Cordray. This may be one of the more intense runs for Ohio Governor in some time due to national politics.

DeWine is going to have to be careful about how much Trump love he claims. And that little puzzle means he could suffer from the Trump base if he doesn’t buddy up to Trump. And that will cost him with old time Ohio Republican moderates and independents.

Cordray can bring up how he was run out of the Consumers Protection Bureau due to Trump and what that appears to have resulted in with Trump putting executive
Mick Mulvaney in the job.

DeWine can also play dirty when cornered. Cordray is usually seen as the clean-cut boyish nice guy.

Lots of contrasts in this race.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 7:23:15pm

re: #2 JordanRules

Did we decide? Who plays Avenatti in the movie?

He kind of looks like Carey Stoll who played Peter in House of Cards. But someone more famous would probably get it.

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gocart mozart  May 8, 2018 • 7:23:27pm
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gocart mozart  May 8, 2018 • 7:24:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:24:26pm

Blankenship can just call it a night and crawl back to wherever he slithered out from.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 8, 2018 • 7:25:16pm

Harris beats Pittenger in NC-9 Republican primary. This seat is now very much in play with Democrat Dan McCready. More Dem votes than Rep in primary that includes Charlotte and suburbs.

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Skip Intro  May 8, 2018 • 7:25:24pm

re: #2 JordanRules

Did we decide? Who plays Avenatti in the movie?

Why don’t we wait to see if we get out of this alive before worrying about a movie?

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 7:25:25pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blankenship can just call it a night and crawl back to wherever he slithered out from.

Daaaaamn. Good one you piece of shit Mitch.

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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 7:25:55pm

re: #11 gocart mozart

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The look on Nicole Wallace’s face.

The look of realization that the administration she was a part of had much to do with some of the problems we are seeing in what Schmidt is saying.

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ipsos  May 8, 2018 • 7:26:16pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blankenship can just call it a night and crawl back to wherever he slithered out from.

Is… is that… is that supposed to be a line of coke across Yertle’s picture???

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dirkdigglerjr  May 8, 2018 • 7:26:39pm

re: #2 JordanRules

Mr. Clean?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 8, 2018 • 7:27:03pm

So, I’ve just been doing some reading up on Don Blankenship. Good GOD this guy is an asshole. There’s plenty of fuckery to choose from but I think this one takes the cake:

“When groundwater pollution from coal slurry injection by Massey Energy began contaminating wells around Blankenship’s home, Massey paid to build a water line to it from a neighboring town. Blankenship did not offer to provide uncontaminated water to any of his neighbors, nor did he inform them of the problem.[40]”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:27:04pm

re: #18 ipsos

Is… is that… is that supposed to be a line of coke across Yertle’s picture???

heh.

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goddamnedfrank  May 8, 2018 • 7:27:06pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blankenship can just call it a night and crawl back to wherever he slithered out from.

LOL I can’t believe they photoshopped in cocaine dust!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:29:16pm

hahahaha

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 7:29:17pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

Why don’t we to see if we get out of this alive before worrying about a movie?

We do this here every couple weeks here for levity. Stop acting brand new and let me live.

You know damn well how seriously I take this and how I don’t feel safe or immune from working on the ground because I’m lucky enough to live in a blue state like you.

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fern01  May 8, 2018 • 7:29:31pm

The ONLY thing trump is consistent about is undoing anything and everything President Obama put in place for the benefit of the people of the USA and for the benefit of world peace and friendship.

There are so many “imagine if Obama did this” happenings at the minute, it is impossible not to burst into tears at what this moron is doing and will continue to do unless the GOP suffers a massive electoral defeat - and given the money and influence from within and without to corrupt the US elections - even that is looking doubtful.

The US has elected a war mongering racist dictator.

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goddamnedfrank  May 8, 2018 • 7:32:00pm

Jesus, imagine how enormous a fuckup Blankenship had to be to make Mitch McConnell look cool.

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 7:32:54pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

Jesus, imagine how enormous a fuckup Blankenship had to be to make Mitch McConnell look cool.

No shit. Kind of an amazing accomplishment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:33:01pm

Blankenship concedes

Blankenship took a moment to — seemingly — concede, acknowledging that he believes he has lost.

Blankenship attributed his loss, perhaps more than anything, to Mr. Trump’s tweet urging people not to vote for him earlier this week. He also thanked supporters, and the media. Blankenship said he’ll now have more time for his family and traveling to places like Paris.

“Don’t feel sorry for me,” Blankenship said.

Blankenship reflected on the opportunities he, as the child of a single mother, had growing up, mentioning a time he says he visited the White House.

“I learned more in the poor house and the big house than I learned in the other houses,” he said.

LOL

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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 7:34:12pm

Current results in Ohio Congressional District 12 Republican Primary…district is long held Republican and John Kasich’s old seat. Republicans in DC are worried about Leneghan as a candidate.

Candidate - Votes - % of Votes
Kevin Bacon (R) - 8,578 - 14.45%
Troy Balderson (R) - 17,933 - 30.22% (Establishment Republican)
Lawrence Cohen (R) - 674 - 1.14%
Jon Halverstadt (R) - 861 - 1.45%
Tim Kane (R) - 9,922 - 16.72%
Melanie Leneghan (R) - 16,465 - 27.74% (Jim Jordan backed Trumper)
Pat Manley (R) - 650 - 1.10%
Carol O’Brien (R) - 3,599 - 6.06%
Mick Shoemaker Jr. (R) - 666 - 1.12%
Total Votes Cast 59,348

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 7:35:25pm
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Skip Intro  May 8, 2018 • 7:36:13pm

re: #24 JordanRules

Sorry but I no longer find any of this funny.

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 7:37:52pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blankenship can just call it a night and crawl back to wherever he slithered out from.

re: #16 JordanRules

Daaaaamn. Good one you piece of shit Mitch.

Pretty sick burn, even from a slimy POS like McConnell.

I’ll give Mitch this one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:39:27pm
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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 7:39:35pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blankenship concedes

LOL

Asshole should’ve still been in the Big House for the rest of his natural life for what he did.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 7:39:44pm

re: #24 JordanRules

We do this here every couple weeks here for levity. Stop acting brand new and let me live.

You know damn well how seriously I take this and how I don’t feel safe or immune from working on the ground because I’m lucky enough to live in a blue state like you.

Ditto me and my wife, both running for office in a township where Hillary Clinton got eight whole votes.

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Belafon  May 8, 2018 • 7:40:12pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

Why don’t we wait to see if we get out of this alive before worrying about a movie?

Naaah. I refuse to give up humor. I didn’t give it up in the 80s and I’m not giving it up now.

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 7:40:31pm

re: #30 JordanRules

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Looks good on her.

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KGxvi  May 8, 2018 • 7:41:49pm

re: #5 gocart mozart

The Soggy Bottom Boys? Didn’t they run some white supremacist out of Mississippi?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:42:20pm
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Kragar  May 8, 2018 • 7:42:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 7:43:24pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

Sorry but I no longer find any of this funny.

Neither do I, which is why I’m fighting this crap, specifically so we can make that movie.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 7:43:27pm

re: #38 KGxvi

The Soggy Bottom Boys? Didn’t they run some white supremacist out of Mississippi?

And his dwarf too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:43:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:45:46pm
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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 7:46:01pm

Also in Ohio news…State Issue 1 - Changes in how congressional districts are drawn. Looks like solidly passed. Not a great bill but an improvement.

State Issue 1 Creates a bipartisan, public process for drawing congressional districts

Selection - Votes - % of Votes
YES - 1,046,099 - 74.38%
NO - 360,369 - 25.62%
Total Votes Cast - 1,406,468

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 7:48:48pm

re: #45 ObserverArt

Also in Ohio news…State Issue 1 - Changes in how congressional districts are drawn. Looks like solidly passed. Not a great bill but an improvement.

State Issue 1 Creates a bipartisan, public process for drawing congressional districts

Selection - Votes - % of Votes
YES - 1,046,099 - 74.38%
NO - 360,369 - 25.62%
Total Votes Cast - 1,406,468

I’m guessing that roughly 26% for “No” are all pretty much GOPers.

Just a hunch…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 7:49:01pm

That should be Putin/Flynn/Stein dinner… .

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:50:39pm
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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 7:51:41pm

This Ohio District 12 Republican primary is going to be real close. Leneghan is closing. Main players in results below.

Kevin Bacon (R) - 9,377 - 14.39%
Troy Balderson (R) - 19,164 - 29.41%
Tim Kane (R) - 11,061 - 16.97%
Melanie Leneghan (R) - 18,306 - 28.09%

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Belafon  May 8, 2018 • 7:53:26pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

What do we know about the person who defeated him?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 7:56:37pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 7:57:17pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

This Ohio District 12 Republican primary is going to be real close. Leneghan is closing. Main players in results below.

Kevin Bacon (R) - 9,377 - 14.39%
Troy Balderson (R) - 19,164 - 29.41%
Tim Kane (R) - 11,061 - 16.97%
Melanie Leneghan (R) - 18,306 - 28.09%

This is one Kevin I’m NOT related to…

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dangerman  May 8, 2018 • 7:57:29pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That they would all knowingly agree to pay the money to EC and not Cohen’s “practice”…..

Dont worry. No one will ever find it….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 7:58:05pm

re: #50 Belafon

What do we know about the person who defeated him?

Pastor Harris (winner) attacked Pittenger (loser) for not being conservative enough.

Harris will face McCready in November

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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 7:58:34pm

re: #46 TedStriker

I’m guessing that roughly 26% for “No” are all pretty much GOPers.

Just a hunch…

Most likely. Probably also count in the confused.

Republicans only agreed to this legislation because in some ways it still gives the majority control of districts. The differences is they have to have minority party representation and it all has to be above board so the public can weigh in.

I hear the Ohio GOP went with it because they feared they would lose too many seats in a Blue wave and not have any control as the Democrats and upset Ohioans would force some kind of a totally politically neutral method of drawing districts. They think they can still control the Ohio State House and get enough control over the new process.

Ohio is considered one of, if not the worst example of gerrymandering in the U.S.

It’s a start.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 7:59:06pm

If you’re getting burnt out on primary results, Nebraska’s is next week. Just a heads up.

For statewide offices (and Federal offices), Democrats have someone running for every position (except state treasurer, for which my wife is running her write-in campaign) for the first time in many years.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 7:59:24pm

re: #52 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is one Kevin I’m NOT related to…

You related to the other one? The good one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:00:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:00:49pm
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jaunte  May 8, 2018 • 8:01:50pm

When one side is constantly defending liars.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:02:05pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:03:24pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 8, 2018 • 8:04:17pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really shouldn’t have taken almost 80 years for that to happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:05:51pm

LOL..so much delusion in one tweet.

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Single-handed sailor  May 8, 2018 • 8:06:38pm

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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‘bout damn time.

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gocart mozart  May 8, 2018 • 8:06:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:07:56pm

re: #66 gocart mozart

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Kragar  May 8, 2018 • 8:08:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:09:07pm

re: #68 Kragar

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that is just sad

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:10:17pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:10:23pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

that is just sad

The Circle of Derp.

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teleskiguy  May 8, 2018 • 8:12:12pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 8:12:59pm

I have a question to ask before conking out for the night.

Has Sean Hannity made any noise about today’s revelations since he is a Cohen client?

Or is this getting too deep and Sean will not be making much of this any longer?

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BeachDem  May 8, 2018 • 8:14:30pm

re: #9 ObserverArt

As expected…Mike DeWine wins Republican primary for Governor. Will be a hotly contested election between him and Richard Cordray. This may be one of the more intense runs for Ohio Governor in some time due to national politics.

DeWine is going to have to be careful about how much Trump love he claims. And that little puzzle means he could suffer from the Trump base if he doesn’t buddy up to Trump. And that will cost him with old time Ohio Republican moderates and independents.

Cordray can bring up how he was run out of the Consumers Protection Bureau due to Trump and what that appears to have resulted in with Trump putting executive
Mick Mulvaney in the job.

DeWine can also play dirty when cornered. Cordray is usually seen as the clean-cut boyish nice guy.

Lots of contrasts in this race.

Equally odious is DeWine’s running mate, Jon Husted. Ugh. I need to send Cordray some $$.

Just as a reminder about how heinous DeWine is, here is the Plunderbund DeWine search page (well, just the first page of it—they’ve been covering his heinousness for years.)

plunderbund.com

For example:

Plunderbund 2014 Year In Review: Top 20+ Articles About Mike DeWine

plunderbund.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:14:44pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:15:28pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

I have a question to ask before conking out for the night.

Has Sean Hannity made any noise about today’s revelations since he is a Cohen client?

Or is this getting too deep and Sean will not be making much of this any longer?

Yes he is a Cohen client. That was revealed in court … he was one of two (the other being Trump). Sean Hannity tried to brush it off by saying he was just asking real estate advice, after which Hannity was revealed to have used massive amounts of HUD money from an Obama programme he regularly bashed on his show to buy property.

LOL:

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jaunte  May 8, 2018 • 8:15:29pm
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Kragar  May 8, 2018 • 8:15:31pm
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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 8:18:39pm

re: #77 jaunte

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Bot fail!

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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 8:19:37pm

re: #76 Anymouse 🌹

Yes he is a Cohen client. That was revealed in court … he was one of two (the other being Trump). Sean Hannity tried to brush it off by saying he was just asking real estate advice, after which Hannity was revealed to have used massive amounts of HUD money from an Obama programme he regularly bashed on his show to buy property.

LOL:

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I already know that. I am asking if he has mouthed off today since Cohen just went higher in hotness to be standing around.

I just have a feeling that after Rudy’s show last week and today’s info about this Trump slush fund…even Hannity might abandon any look of supporting “his real estate lawyer.”

Shorter: Did today shut up Hannity?

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MsJ  May 8, 2018 • 8:20:55pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Hill has no editors.

Pastor Mark Harris has upset Rep. Robert Pittenger (R-N.C.) in his Tuesday primary, toppling the incumbent congressman after nearly him in a primary two years ago.

WTF does that even mean?

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Ace-o-aces  May 8, 2018 • 8:21:15pm
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jaunte  May 8, 2018 • 8:21:16pm
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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 8:21:23pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

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And they rejected your message because you’re as clueless about problem solving as the GOP is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2018 • 8:22:52pm

re: #81 MsJ

The Hill has no editors.

WTF does that even mean?

it’s losers all the way down…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:23:03pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:24:17pm

re: #81 MsJ

The Hill has no editors.

WTF does that even mean?

I’d guess they dropped the word “beating” or “defeating” him in the last phrase.

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 8:24:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:25:21pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

You related to the other one? The good one.

He has all the beauty. Me, if my hair grows out I’m condemned to look like Drew Carey…

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gocart mozart  May 8, 2018 • 8:25:49pm
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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 8:27:07pm

re: #89 Joe Bacon 🌹

He has all the beauty. Me, if my hair grows out I’m condemned to look like Drew Carey…

I hear ya. Cousin Marty O’Malley can play the guitar and give a speech but I’m more handsome!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:27:40pm

Trump Administration Wants to Let Teens Fall Off Roofs so They Can Feed Their Teen Families (Wonkette, more at the link):

The Trump administration promised us it would make America rich by getting rid of burdensome government regulations, and wow, has it ever come through! Coal mines are now allowed to destroy creeks and otherwise not clean up after themselves, and dangerous pesticides can be sold for agricultural use as long as they only poison migrant farm workers, and now we’ve got the imminent return of child labor! Some proposed Department of Labor rules that would allow 16- and 17-year-olds to work long hours in dangerous conditions sure sound like a step in the right direction, that is for sure.

The DOL will propose relaxing current rules — known as Hazardous Occupations Orders (HOs) — that prohibit 16- and 17-year-old apprentices and student learners from receiving extended, supervised training in certain dangerous jobs, said […] two sources. That includes roofing work, as well as operating chainsaws, and various other power-driven machines that federal law recognizes as too dangerous for youth younger than 18.

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 8:27:47pm

Don’t cry for me Appalachia!!

All thru my wild days, my mad existence…

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 8:28:28pm

re: #89 Joe Bacon 🌹

He has all the beauty. Me, if my hair grows out I’m condemned to look like Drew Carey…

Not a bad place to be, these days.

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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 8:28:29pm

Don’t Cry For Me, West Virginia.

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jaunte  May 8, 2018 • 8:28:47pm

re: #93 JordanRules

I’ll keep my distance.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 8:28:55pm

re: #93 JordanRules

Don’t cry for me Appalachia!!

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All thru my wild days, my mad existence…

I don’t. I never will.

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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 8:29:19pm

For all you latent pyros out there, instructions on which gloves to wear when dealing with nitric acid:

Making fuming nitric acid

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 8:29:37pm

re: #93 JordanRules

Don’t cry for me Appalachia!!

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All thru my wild days, my mad existence…

Sounds like a bit like the titular character from My Dinner with Andre, if Andre was a manslaughtering coal baron.

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jaunte  May 8, 2018 • 8:30:06pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 8, 2018 • 8:30:54pm

re: #98 freetoken

For all you latent pyros out there, instructions on which gloves to wear when dealing with nitric acid:

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White or red?

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jaunte  May 8, 2018 • 8:31:03pm
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Single-handed sailor  May 8, 2018 • 8:31:05pm

re: #95 freetoken

Don’t Cry For Me, West Virginia.

One of my favorite John Denver songs.

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BeachDem  May 8, 2018 • 8:31:24pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL..so much delusion in one tweet.

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It was such a strong campaign that the only two counties Cordray didn’t win were won by Schiavoni.

Bite me, Nina.

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Targetpractice  May 8, 2018 • 8:31:50pm

re: #102 jaunte

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“HER EMAILS!!!!!!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:32:16pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

I have a question to ask before conking out for the night.

Has Sean Hannity made any noise about today’s revelations since he is a Cohen client?

Or is this getting too deep and Sean will not be making much of this any longer?

Oh, I hope Slumlord Sean is forced to perp walk on Lego blocks!

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Targetpractice  May 8, 2018 • 8:36:39pm

At the same time that Cohen was setting up a cash pipeline from foreign oligarchs and US corporations to Donny’s bank account, the US press was focused on:

- “Hillary sneezed, she must be dying of a wasting illness!”
- “Bernie’s right, we need to see these transcripts from speeches given years ago!”
- “Well yeah, Trump’s a sleezeball, but Bill’s a horndog!”
- “Despite all the documentation and IRS filings, we’re still not convinced the Clinton Foundation is legit!”
- “HER EMAILS!!!!!”

I’m sure that is was simple mistake./////

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jaunte  May 8, 2018 • 8:36:51pm
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MsJ  May 8, 2018 • 8:37:27pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

I’d guess they dropped the word “beating” or “defeating” him in the last phrase.

Maybe. Could be…

“Pastor Mark Harris has upset Rep. Robert Pittenger (R-N.C.) in his Tuesday primary, toppling the incumbent congressman after nearly decapitating killing you knowing him in a primary two years ago.”

One really never knows. 😜

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 8, 2018 • 8:37:37pm

re: #106 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh, I hope Slumlord Sean is forced to perp walk on Lego blocks!

Nah—rakes.

Sideshow bob stepping on rakes

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 8, 2018 • 8:39:04pm

Everybody having fun with this

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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 8:41:47pm

Wow. DeWine 60% to Taylor 40%. I didn’t expect it to be that close.

I think that shows DeWine is going to have trouble making the Trumpers happy this fall. They may not turn out for him.

Good news for Cordray who hopefully will be the next Ohio governor.

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BeachDem  May 8, 2018 • 8:42:38pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I hear ya. Cousin Marty O’Malley can play the guitar and give a speech but I’m more handsome!

Not doubting you, kiddo, but that’s a pretty steep hill to climb!

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MsJ  May 8, 2018 • 8:44:52pm

re: #113 BeachDem

Well HELLO! 😉

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:45:32pm

re: #98 freetoken

For all you latent pyros out there, instructions on which gloves to wear when dealing with nitric acid:

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Hm. I’m not a pyro, but I have to deal with nitric acid for certain types of water samples. I’ll take a look.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 8:49:37pm

re: #113 BeachDem

Not doubting you, kiddo, but that’s a pretty steep hill to climb!

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I’m just being cocky lol. He’s better looking than me.

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Ace-o-aces  May 8, 2018 • 8:50:27pm

“Connect to Good” is AT&T’s charitable arm, FYI.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 8, 2018 • 8:52:45pm

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ObserverArt  May 8, 2018 • 8:52:53pm

Closing for the night. ATT and other American companies caught up in this Cohen/Trump slush fund BS may be forced to spill their guts that they were indeed buying Trump influence.

They probably don’t want to get caught up in too much public association with all of this. So, they may be real easy to get info out of for keeping it all on the down-low.

Selling influence to American companies doesn’t even involve Russia.

I think another front in the war Trump finds himself in just started. And the search into Russian contacts opened it.

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BeachDem  May 8, 2018 • 8:54:41pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

I’m just being cocky lol. He’s better looking than me.

And I’m just being a smartass and looking for any opportunity to post that picture.

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teleskiguy  May 8, 2018 • 8:55:22pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 8:56:14pm

re: #111 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Everybody having fun with this

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 8:56:21pm

re: #120 BeachDem

And I’m just being a smartass and looking for any opportunity to post that picture.

I wish I still had that article where he says where his family was from. O’Malley is a very common name in County Mayo where his family and my third great grandmother were from. You ever seen the movie The Quiet Man? My family’s from the next town over. A priest there, another O’Malley coined the term boycott during the Irish Land Reform movement of the 1870’s. I think he might have been a cousin of my second great grandfather’s but Irish records from that era are non-existent.

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teleskiguy  May 8, 2018 • 8:57:11pm
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Targetpractice  May 8, 2018 • 8:59:41pm

I knew that Turner and the others were going to spin their massive loss tonight as a “huge win.” Which means that, starting tomorrow, we can look forward to being told that their candidates doing “so well” tonight means the guy who won the primary now needs to bow and scrape to the Bro vote if they want to win in November.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:00:24pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

I knew that Turner and the others were going to spin their massive loss tonight as a “huge win.” Which means that, starting tomorrow, we can look forward to being told that their candidates doing “so well” tonight means the guy who won the primary now needs to bow and scrape to the Bro vote if they want to win in November.

BE NICE TO US because you know they’d be totally gracious in victory.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 9:03:07pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

BE NICE TO US because you know they’d be totally gracious in victory.

Yeah and there is a Getting Republicans Elected Every November Jill Stein clone on the Ohio November Ballot for Governor…

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 9:04:52pm
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BeachDem  May 8, 2018 • 9:07:14pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I wish I still had that article where he says where his family was from. O’Malley is a very common name in County Mayo where his family and my third great grandmother were from. You ever seen the movie The Quiet Man? My family’s from the next town over. A priest there, another O’Malley coined the term boycott during the Irish Land Reform movement of the 1870’s. I think he might have been a cousin of my second great grandfather’s but Irish records from that era are non-existent.

Is this the article you’re looking for?

My O’Malleys were from up in the mountains between Galway and Mayo in the valley where The Quiet Man was filmed. If you keep going through Cong, the road up through Ouchterard and you go out to where Peacock’s is, and if you bang a right and go through that pass it will dead-end right there at Maam. And half the houses in Maam are owned by O’Malleys…

My great-grandfather kind of stepped out of a blank page. All we knew was that he was from Galway, as many people in Pittsburgh were. I got his death certificate, found out his father’s name [Thomas] and his mother’s, and wrote over to Galway for death certificates. I narrowed it down - there were only two Thomas O’Malleys with sons named Martin born approximately the right time. Only one of them was born in the exact year, the one who immigrated to America.

irishamerica.com

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austin_blue  May 8, 2018 • 9:13:55pm

re: #24 JordanRules

We do this here every couple weeks here for levity. Stop acting brand new and let me live.

You know damn well how seriously I take this and how I don’t feel safe or immune from working on the ground because I’m lucky enough to live in a blue state like you.

Try living in Texas.

Oh, my goodness! Cruz and Abbot and Patrick and Cornyn, oh my!

Plus the ninnies, mouth breathers, and feebs that make the R caucus in Congress. And don’t get me started on the Texas legislature. Molly Ivins famously noted that “every two years, little villages all across the great State send their idiots to legislate in Austin.”

She was dead solid on target. The Tea Party runs this State, and with the House Speaker (one of the last Reasonable Republican left in Texas) not running again, it’s going to get just batshit crazy.

Think Gohmert. On a local level, it’s Gohmerts all the way down.

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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 9:15:29pm

re: #130 austin_blue

On a local level, it’s Gohmerts all the way down.

This is a scary model of the local universe.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:15:49pm

re: #129 BeachDem

Is this the article you’re looking for?

My O’Malleys were from up in the mountains between Galway and Mayo in the valley where The Quiet Man was filmed. If you keep going through Cong, the road up through Ouchterard and you go out to where Peacock’s is, and if you bang a right and go through that pass it will dead-end right there at Maam. And half the houses in Maam are owned by O’Malleys…

My great-grandfather kind of stepped out of a blank page. All we knew was that he was from Galway, as many people in Pittsburgh were. I got his death certificate, found out his father’s name [Thomas] and his mother’s, and wrote over to Galway for death certificates. I narrowed it down - there were only two Thomas O’Malleys with sons named Martin born approximately the right time. Only one of them was born in the exact year, the one who immigrated to America.

irishamerica.com

Yep! I definitely think we could be related. I’m not going to bug him to take a DNA test tho lol. I’m not crazy.

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austin_blue  May 8, 2018 • 9:19:34pm

re: #98 freetoken

For all you latent pyros out there, instructions on which gloves to wear when dealing with nitric acid:

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It’s best to use someone else’s hands when handling this substance.

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BeachDem  May 8, 2018 • 9:20:52pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Yep! I definitely think we could be related. I’m not going to bug him to take a DNA test tho lol. I’m not crazy.

You could go to where his band’s playing and when he takes his shirt off and starts to sweat, you could offer him a cloth to wipe himself down and, ummm, what were we talking about again?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 9:21:23pm

re: #118 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

You have to remember that though Sam Harris is a neuroscientist and speaker on atheistic subjects, he is also a conservative. Prominent conservatives always defend conservatism first and foremost, over everything else, including lying about others when necessary. (It’s why I keep arguing conservatism is a religion.)

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fern01  May 8, 2018 • 9:23:34pm

re: #100 jaunte

What’s interesting is that all of this was happening before/during the election. What were reporters doing with their time and resources?

Why they were locked up in a cage, listening to trump rant b.s. while his supporters screamed at them.

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austin_blue  May 8, 2018 • 9:23:54pm

re: #134 BeachDem

You could go to where his band’s playing and when he takes his shirt off and starts to sweat, you could offer him a cloth to wipe himself down and, ummm, what were we talking about again?

Squirrel!

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:25:32pm

re: #134 BeachDem

You could go to where his band’s playing and when he takes his shirt off and starts to sweat, you could offer him a cloth to wipe himself down and, ummm, what were we talking about again?

Haha. On a serious note, my O’Malley kin are literally from the next town over from Cong of Quiet Man fame. Some are still there I see. A priest who is a distant cousin documented the family. It’s tough though since a lot of renaming goes on. Not being Jewish, I’m curious if that custom is prevalent in that community. I’ve seen it a lot with the Irish and Slovaks in my family. Less so with the Germans and Slovenes.

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austin_blue  May 8, 2018 • 9:26:21pm

re: #136 fern01

Why they were locked up in a cage, listening to trump rant b.s. while his supporters screamed at them.

And covering Benghazi, her e-mails, her obvious fatal illness, the Bernie and Jill revolution, and…what?… Russian ‘Bots were pushing all of those memes?

Well, I never!!

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:26:55pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

You have to remember that though Sam Harris is a neuroscientist and speaker on atheistic subjects, he is also a conservative. Prominent conservatives always defend conservatism first and foremost, over everything else, including lying about others when necessary. (It’s why I keep arguing conservatism is a religion.)

Uh Harris isn’t a conservative. He’s an Islamaphobe but he’s not a conservative.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 9:30:47pm

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 9:34:07pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Uh Harris isn’t a conservative. He’s an Islamaphobe but he’s not a conservative.

One of my favorite vloggers/podcasters, Steve Shives, thinks Harris is an unredeemable asshole.

I have to agree with him on that.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:35:11pm

re: #142 TedStriker

One of my favorite vloggers/podcasters, Steve Shives, thinks Harris is an unredeemable asshole.

I have to agree with him on that.

Yeah from what I know about him, I think so too. I think Bill Maher is too but no one’s mistaken Maher for a conservative.

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 9:37:03pm

re: #130 austin_blue

Try living in Texas.

I did for a spell. H-town. Some amazing meat and three spots!
Texas can be so funnily provincial.

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 9:38:04pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Yeah from what I know about him, I think so too. I think Bill Maher is too but no one’s mistaken Maher for a conservative.

Frankly, if someone’s a modern, dyed-in-the-wool “libertarian”, as Harris and Maher are, then there’s no real difference between them and modern “conservatives” where the rubber meets the road; as a matter of fact, the two groups tend to agree on much more than they disagree.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:38:19pm

New reading: The Wave. Yep I’ve got summer on my mind.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:40:38pm

re: #145 TedStriker

Frankly, if someone’s a modern, dyed-in-the-wool “libertarian”, as Harris and Maher are, then there’s no real difference between them and modern “conservatives” where the rubber meets the road; as a matter of fact, the two groups tend to agree on much more than they disagree.

I don’t know. I wouldn’t call those two well Maher anyhow libertarian. Maher seems to favor government intervention in the economy. Don’t get me wrong. He’s got that libertarian bro mentality but he’s more closer to a lefty than not. That said, he’s still a jerk who is lazy and doesn’t do his homework and is smug as hell. It’s too bad because I do like his format for a show because I like lively discussion but I can’t stand him. I

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BeachDem  May 8, 2018 • 9:41:49pm

re: #145 TedStriker

Frankly, if someone’s a modern, dyed-in-the-wool “libertarian”, as Harris and Maher are, then there’s no real difference between them and modern “conservatives” where the rubber meets the road; as a matter of fact, the two groups tend to agree on much more than they disagree.

Harris describes himself as a liberal, and states that he supports raising taxes on the very wealthy, the decriminalizing of drugs and same-sex marriage. He was critical of the Bush administration’s war in Iraq, fiscal policy, and treatment of science.

During the 2016 United States presidential election, Harris supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party presidential primaries against Bernie Sanders and despite calling her “a terribly flawed candidate for the presidency”, he favored her in the general election and came out strongly in opposition to Donald Trump’s candidacy.

Doesn’t make him any less of an asshole, but doesn’t make him a libertarian or a conservative.

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Kragar  May 8, 2018 • 9:43:52pm
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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:44:01pm

re: #148 BeachDem

Harris describes himself as a liberal, and states that he supports raising taxes on the very wealthy, the decriminalizing of drugs and same-sex marriage. He was critical of the Bush administration’s war in Iraq, fiscal policy, and treatment of science.

During the 2016 United States presidential election, Harris supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party presidential primaries against Bernie Sanders and despite calling her “a terribly flawed candidate for the presidency”, he favored her in the general election and came out strongly in opposition to Donald Trump’s candidacy.

Doesn’t make him any less of an asshole, but doesn’t make him a libertarian or a conservative.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:46:06pm

Maher and Harris kind of give me that vibe I worry about with my brother in that yeah they’re liberal minded on paper but don’t show much empathy. Maher doesn’t seem to worry about the children who have been endangered by Trump’s immigration policy, the Muslim-Americans who get harassed, etc. So yeah while Bill is okay with pot, doesn’t care who you fuck, and is generally more opposed to Trump than not, he’s not someone I’d want by my side since he’s a dick.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 9:48:01pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Uh Harris isn’t a conservative. He’s an Islamaphobe but he’s not a conservative.

Interesting how he retweeted Bari Weiss:

Or how he throws in with racists such as Charles Murray:
vox.com

And bashing so-called “identity politics” …
medium.com

He also supported Ben Carson’s and Ted Cruz’s assertions that we should only admit Christians into the nation. He also said that Carson was an imbecile but would vote for him over someone such as Noam Chomsky.

rationalwiki.org

Does he identify as a conservative? No. Does he act like one? Yes.

And of course his well-known Islamophobia. All positions held by the right-wing.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:50:42pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

Interesting how he retweeted Bari Weiss:

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Or how he throws in with racists such as Charles Murray:
vox.com

And bashing so-called “identity politics” …
medium.com

He also supported Ben Carson’s and Ted Cruz’s assertions that we should only admit Christians into the nation. He also said that Carson was an imbecile but would vote for him over someone such as Noam Chomsky.

rationalwiki.org

Does he identify as a conservative? No. Does he act like one? Yes.

And of course his well-known Islamophobia. All positions held by the right-wing.

And yet BD pointed you to him saying he supports a progressive income tax, decriminalized drugs, SSM, etc. He’s a dickbag. I won’t argue that point at all but he’s not a conservative. He’s an asshole who definitely acts like a RWer. Just admit you were wrong on this one.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:52:40pm

Sorry AM but you’re engaging in the same No True Whatever fallacy you accuse liberal Christians of engaging in when they criticize the RR. By all means criticize Harris for acting like an asshole and definitely holding some positions definitely anathema to what we as liberals believe but it’s incorrect to identify him as a conservative. Sergey will be the first to tell you that leftists can be just as intolerant as right wingers on a lot of these matters where Harris is an asshole.

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 9:52:58pm

re: #148 BeachDem

Harris describes himself as a liberal, and states that he supports raising taxes on the very wealthy, the decriminalizing of drugs and same-sex marriage. He was critical of the Bush administration’s war in Iraq, fiscal policy, and treatment of science.

During the 2016 United States presidential election, Harris supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party presidential primaries against Bernie Sanders and despite calling her “a terribly flawed candidate for the presidency”, he favored her in the general election and came out strongly in opposition to Donald Trump’s candidacy.

Doesn’t make him any less of an asshole, but doesn’t make him a libertarian or a conservative.

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

Interesting how he retweeted Bari Weiss:

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Or how he throws in with racists such as Charles Murray:
vox.com

And bashing so-called “identity politics” …
medium.com

He also supported Ben Carson’s and Ted Cruz’s assertions that we should only admit Christians into the nation. He also said that Carson was an imbecile but would vote for him over someone such as Noam Chomsky.

rationalwiki.org

Does he identify as a conservative? No. Does he act like one? Yes.

And of course his well-known Islamophobia. All positions held by the right-wing.

I stand corrected on Harris identifying as a “libertarian”, but as AM pointed out, he acts like a “conservative” on some key issues and like a “libertarian” on the things they tend to support, like drugs and SSM.

With “allies” like Harris, who needs enemies?

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teleskiguy  May 8, 2018 • 9:53:15pm
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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 9:54:52pm

Speaking of scientists and their sometimes strange associations, the Birch Society put up this video:

Physicist Highlights Scientific Evidence of Creation

Snoke has long been trotted out by creationists as the exemplar scientist who is a creationist.

Yes, he does real physics. But because he is attached to conservative Christian beliefs he has carved out a space for himself in old-Earth creationist circles.

He’s taken this tact for some time, having teamed up with the IDiots (Behe) in their teleological quest to make science into a religious discipline. From 2009: David Snoke: Creationist Physicist?

There aren’t many real physicists in the US who are creationists - you could probably fit them all into a small hotel room.

But since they exist, the likes of the Birch Society trots them out as props.

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 9:55:05pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Sorry AM but you’re engaging in the same No True Whatever fallacy you accuse liberal Christians of engaging in when they criticize the RR. By all means criticize Harris for acting like an asshole and definitely holding some positions definitely anathema to what we as liberals believe but it’s incorrect to identify him as a conservative. Sergey will be the first to tell you that leftists can be just as intolerant as right wingers on a lot of these matters where Harris is an asshole.

Look, most everybody’s a mixed bag, particularly in politics; however, the best reason not to like Harris is he’s an insufferable dick.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:55:11pm

re: #155 TedStriker

I stand corrected on Harris identifying as a “libertarian”, but as AM pointed out, he acts like a “conservative” on some key issues and like a “libertarian” on the things they tend to support, like drugs and SSM.

With “allies” like Harris, who needs enemies?

I think we all agree the guy is a prick but I just don’t think it’s correct to identify him as a libertarian or conservative.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:56:02pm

re: #158 TedStriker

Look, most everybody’s a mixed bag, particularly in politics; however, the best reason not to like Harris is he’s an insufferable dick.

Now that I absolutely agree on. I just want to make it clear that someone can be liberal and an insufferable dick. I hate seeing it as a liberal but it does happen because some people are fucking insufferable dicks.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 9:56:09pm

More Harrisisms:

While Harris said his “default is to believe women,” he claimed “the #MeToo movement is showing itself liable to wrap up people like Harvey Weinstein and Aziz Ansari in the same sentence,” arguing that “a bad and awkward date” is “being lumped in the same sense that is clearly rape.”

Very liberal of him.

He also called for nuclear strikes on the Muslim world … very liberal, then when called out on it claimed it was a “thought experiment.” The sections of his book “The End of Faith” attacking Palestinian atrocities while ignoring Israeli ones is drawn from Alan Dershowitz’s work.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 9:57:51pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I tend no to judge people’s positions on what they say, but what they do. Harris says he is a liberal. His actions indicate otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 9:59:10pm

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

I tend no to judge people’s positions on what they say, but what they do. Harris says he is a liberal. His actions indicate otherwise.

And I’m sure you can find writings by him expressing his views on said points. Why is it so hard for you to think that someone can hold some or even mostly liberal positions and still be a dick? I’m not denying the guy’s an asshole who definitely holds some very unliberal positions.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 10:00:39pm

Anyhow I’m dropping this because I think we agree in principle that Harris is a dickhead.

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austin_blue  May 8, 2018 • 10:00:42pm

re: #144 JordanRules

I did for a spell. H-town. Some amazing meat and three spots!
Texas can be so funnily provincial.

You lived in Harlingen?

Good Tex-Mex.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 10:02:15pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

And I’m sure you can find writings by him expressing his views on said points. Why is it so hard for you to think that someone can hold some or even mostly liberal positions and still be a dick? I’m not denying the guy’s an asshole who definitely holds some very unliberal positions.

I agree he’s a jerk. He doesn’t hold “mostly liberal positions” which is the point. He also holds positions against the “demographic ticking time bomb” (brown people) in his anti-immigration positions.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 10:02:50pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Anyhow I’m dropping this because I think we agree in principle that Harris is a dickhead.

Same. Moving on to something else. How bout those Cubbies?

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 10:03:47pm

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹

Same. Moving on to something else. How bout those Cubbies?

Meh my team is in the AL East cellar and they got wiped out tonight. Looks like we’re going back to the Red Sox and Yankees dominating the East. Oh well. Fun while it lasted. O’s need new management.

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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 10:03:52pm

BTW, in that video, and another that the Birchers just put up, is the title “The Origins of Life and the Universe, Istanbul, Turkey”.

Hmm… Turkey… creationism… who ever could be behind this?

Yeah, you get one guess.

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 10:04:43pm

re: #169 freetoken

BTW, in that video, and another that the Birchers just put up, is the title “The Origins of Life and the Universe, Istanbul, Turkey”.

Hmm… Turkey… creationism… who ever could be behind this?

Yeah, you get one guess.

Is it another lunch meat creationist? :)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 10:09:10pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Is it another lunch meat creationist? :)

LOL.

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 10:10:00pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Meh my team is in the AL East cellar and they got wiped out tonight. Looks like we’re going back to the Red Sox and Yankees dominating the East. Oh well. Fun while it lasted. O’s need new management.

Not baseball, but still:

I’m just glad my Predators pulled off a blowout in Game 6 against the Jets to come back here for the last game; I hope they can keep the momentum to go on against Vegas in the next round.

I’m also glad the Capitals sent the Penguins home; even if the Preds lose this next game, the schadenfreude that the team that beat us last year in the Stanley Cup finals won’t be defending it tastes sweet as hell ;-P

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 10:11:18pm

re: #172 TedStriker

I’m just glad my Predators pulled out a blowout in Game 6 againts the Jets to come back here for the last game; I hope they can keep the momentum to go on against Vegas in the next round.

I’m also glad the Capitals sent the Penguins home; even if the Preds lose this next game, the schadenfreude that the team that beat us last year for the Cup won’t be defending it tastes sweet as hell ;-P

I can’t get into hockey. The locals are naturally ecstatic about the Caps getting to the conference finals.

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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 10:11:43pm

Snoke spoke at this year’s gathering, the 3rd annual gathering:

en.a9.com.tr

His presentation is the Design argument all over again. He asserts some things about biological research that I am sure real biologists could take apart quickly.

This now annual conference in Turkey is put on by the Technics & Science Research Foundation (TSRF).

They are an outlet for… yes, you know it… Adnan Oktar.

The work of the TSRF is inspired by the books of its Honorary President, Mr. Adnan Oktar, a prominent Muslim intellectual of our times, who writes under the pen-name Harun Yahya.

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TedStriker  May 8, 2018 • 10:13:35pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I can’t get into hockey. The locals are naturally ecstatic about the Caps getting to the conference finals.

I’m a bandwagon fan, I admit; I like the Preds because they’re my hometown team, but the only time I really get interested is playoff time.

I need to bone up on my hockey basics and watch more regular-season hockey.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2018 • 10:15:31pm

re: #25 fern01

There are so many “imagine if Obama did this” happenings at the minute, it is impossible not to burst into tears at what this moron is doing and will continue to do unless the GOP suffers a massive electoral defeat - and given the money and influence from within and without to corrupt the US elections - even that is looking doubtful.

I stopped with the “imagine if Obama did this” as soon as we elected a fellow with five children by three different wives.
He will have a negative impact on the GOP but unless it seriously threatens their grip on the reins of power, they will only cling tighter to him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2018 • 10:16:26pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

Sorry but I no longer find any of this funny.

I stopped laughing at Trump jokes ages ago and it is starting to make me depressive…

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HappyWarrior  May 8, 2018 • 10:16:50pm

re: #174 freetoken

Snoke spoke at this year’s gathering, the 3rd annual gathering:

en.a9.com.tr

His presentation is the Design argument all over again. He asserts some things about biological research that I am sure real biologists could take apart quickly.

This now annual conference in Turkey is put on by the Technics & Science Research Foundation (TSRF).

They are an outlet for… yes, you know it… Adnan Oktar.

Ah I don’t know why I thought Ken Ham lol. Hence my lame lunch meat joke.

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KGxvi  May 8, 2018 • 10:23:32pm

Anyone out here watch the California governors debate?

I tried to watch it but just didn’t have it in me to pay attention. I did see though that the wingnut on stage (Travis Allen) had a not at all crazy answer to homelessness: enforce vagrancy and loitering laws. That’s right, he wants to criminalize homelessness. I’m sure that’ll solve problems

I also tried to see what people were saying on twitter but apparently a lot of people who live in California actually think it’s terrible here (we’ve got our problems, sure, but there are at least 47 less desirable states to live in)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 10:24:21pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Ah I don’t know why I thought Ken Ham lol. Hence my lame lunch meat joke.

There is a fellow on YouTube from Alberta who routinely disassembles Ken Ham’s claims, named Paulogia.

He calls his show “Ham and AiGs” (Ham and Eggs)

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 10:24:39pm

re: #165 austin_blue

You lived in Harlingen?

Good Tex-Mex.

Houston

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2018 • 10:25:04pm

re: #100 jaunte

What’s interesting is that all of this was happening before/during the election. What were reporters doing with their time and resources? https://

showing us shots of an empty podium

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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 10:33:19pm

The creationists like the Birchers always drag out the few Ph.D.s who are actual working scientists, who are also religious enough to be creationists, because it’s a propaganda game for them. It’s to impresses the masses who really have no education at all in science.

But very few hard scientists are in any sense “creationist” even in the Old Earth sense of Snoke.

Some working scientists are religious, for sure. My adviser in undergraduate school was such, though he never brought it up to me. But even though he was a bit of a celeb in his denomination, he was never a creationist that I know of.

No matter how bright one may be one can still suffer cognitive dissonance.

The need for design arises out of teleology, which comes about to placate the problem of “why?”

Yet as has been shown over and over, Design and teleology just kicks the can down the road, because these same creationists never answer the question “Who designed God?”

Because they can’t.

If they try, then their dissonance is exposed.

Anyway, the Birchers are now in bed with the Turkish creationists. We should have known.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2018 • 10:36:20pm

re: #183 freetoken

The need for design arises out of teleology, which comes about to placate the problem of “why?”

And “why?” is something that Evolution does not concern itself with.

Even the Catholic Church sees no conflict between Evolution and Creation, the conflict only arises if you are a biblical literalist.

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 10:47:42pm
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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 10:48:37pm

re: #185 JordanRules

No, Pence does not have a heart.

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 10:48:40pm
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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 10:50:36pm

Last night I mentioned Leroy Anderson in regards to his Typewriter song. He composed many pop hits, including the following:

Leroy Anderson - Blue Tango (Stereo)

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JordanRules  May 8, 2018 • 11:02:56pm
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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 11:15:12pm

re: #189 JordanRules

Life in the Drumpfepoche is a bit noisy as far as news stories.

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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 11:17:10pm

Speaking of which, we’re a week before the Eastern Pacific hurricane season starts, but I was looking at the water vapor imagery:

tropic.ssec.wisc.edu

… and saw the action at 120W so decided to check out the NHC and sure enough, we might have our first storm of the year:

nhc.noaa.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 11:25:09pm

Blankenship threatening to run for President.
thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2018 • 11:25:43pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

Blankenship threatening to run for President.
thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

He has all the qualities our nation seems to treasure.

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freetoken  May 8, 2018 • 11:26:01pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

Someone’s gotta stop those Chyna People from taking over.

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Targetpractice  May 8, 2018 • 11:32:00pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

Blankenship threatening to run for President.
thenewcivilrightsmovement.com

If the last election proved anything, it’s that the GOP is totally okay with a rich, villainous bastard so long as he screams the right obscenities at the “wrong” people.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 11:32:34pm

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has all the qualities our nation conservatives seems to treasure.

Of note, if he’s running, it would be against Trump. That would be a delicious crap sandwich.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2018 • 11:33:24pm

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

Of note, if he’s running, it would be against Trump. That would be a delicious crap sandwich.

he won’t, but he would make an ideal GOP candidate

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Anymouse 🌹  May 8, 2018 • 11:51:21pm

The Justice Department released information regarding the arrest of the GWB-era CIA agent who turned into an asset for Chinese intelligence services in 2010:

justice.gov

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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 12:06:38am

re: #181 JordanRules

Houston

Ah! Well it could have been Hidalgo, Hondo, Halletsville, Hutto (home of the Hippos!), Haskell (home of Rick Perry! Well actually, Paint Creek, but Haskell is the nearest real town and Paint Creek has, like, 40 people in it and Rick didn’t get a flush toilet until he was seven years old, no shit), Hereford, or Henrietta. Then there’s Hillsboro, Hemphill, Harker Heights and so on. The point being that Dallas may be referred to as “Big D”, but no one in Texas refers to Houston as “H-town”.

It’s just fucking Houston, a sprawling, behemoth of a disaster of urban planning. They have been trying to build their highway system to handle the load for thirty years and it remains a total fail.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 9, 2018 • 12:06:42am

Trump Pulls Out Of Iran Deal

vlad has turned up his setting to “destroy”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:08:44am

So we threaten sanctions against other countries who ignore Iran sanctions and try to maintain the deal. How the hell is that supposed to play out especially in light of the fact that Russia and China will certainly not cave?

Europe will be torn, it will be interesting to see which side they fall on.

Are we really about to knock the US down to being a third-rate world power?

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wheat-dogg  May 9, 2018 • 12:15:49am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So we threaten sanctions against other countries who ignore Iran sanctions and try to maintain the deal. How the hell is that supposed to play out especially in light of the fact that Russia and China will certainly not cave?

Europe will be torn, it will be interesting to see which side they fall on.

Are we really about to knock the US down to being a third-rate world power?

Just trying to cement that deal.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:16:41am

re: #199 austin_blue

Ah! Well it could have been Hidalgo, Hondo, Halletsville, Hutto (home of the Hippos!), Haskell (home of Rick Perry! Well actually, Paint Creek, but Haskell is the nearest real town and Paint Creek has, like, 40 people in it and Rick didn’t get a flush toilet until he was seven years old, no shit), Hereford, or Henrietta. Then there’s Hillsboro, Hemphill, Harker Heights and so on. The point being that Dallas may be referred to as “Big D”, but no one in Texas refers to Houston as “H-town”.

It’s just fucking Houston, a sprawling, behemoth of a disaster of urban planning. They have been trying to build their highway system to handle the load for thirty years and it remains a total fail.

So there was an R&B group that I grew up listening to in the 90s from Houston. Their name was H-town. Grew up listening to a lot of rap artists from Houston who also referred to it as such. Beyonce and her fam still call it that too.

en.m.wikipedia.org

H-Town
“H-Town” is a widely popular modern nickname for Houston.[12] It is commonly used in reference to the city both locally and internationally, especially within the entertainment community. In addition, the H-Town Blues Festival is a music festival held each year in the city,[13] and the H-Town Arena Theatre has hosted a variety of performing artists from around the country since the 1970s.[14] H-Town (with the “H” standing for Houston) is also the name of an R&B hip hop band from Houston that was formed in 1992.[15]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:18:26am

re: #202 wheat-dogg

Just trying to cement that deal.

Europe will have to decide in its long-term interests: they know that Trump will not be in power forever and that Russia and China are growing while the USA at best holds steady.

We are on the verge of a massive trade war with the entire world. How the heck are we supposed to benefit from that?

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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 12:19:56am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So we threaten sanctions against other countries who ignore Iran sanctions and try to maintain the deal. How the hell is that supposed to play out especially in light of the fact that Russia and China will certainly not cave?

Europe will be torn, it will be interesting to see which side they fall on.

Are we really about to knock the US down to being a third-rate power in the world?

Yeah, but it’s Obama’s fault.

I’m not sure, but this latest travesty may have run Drumpf out of things that Obama did that he has the capacity to fuck up and overturn, except for the ACA, which he succeeded in kicking one of the three legs out from under it (the personal mandate), which will result in ballooning payments for anyone who needs to get affordable health care.

Winning! So much winning! And MAGA!

I’m off to bed. Sweet scaly dreams, all.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:24:21am
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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 12:24:46am

re: #203 JordanRules

So there was an R&B group that I grew up listening to in the 90s from Houston. Their name was H-town. Grew up listening to a lot of rap artists from Houston who also referred to it as such. Beyonce and her fam still call it that too.

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not disagreeing, but I’ve never heard a single human refer to Houston as “H-town” and I’ve lived in Texas, in toto, for over 30 years.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:28:00am

re: #207 austin_blue

Not disagreeing, but I’ve never heard a single human refer to Houston as “H-town” and I’ve lived in Texas, in toto, for over 30 years.

Interesting. I have family that’s lived in Tyler forever and I’ve heard it since the 90s all the way out here in Arizona, before I ever lived there. I’ve never encountered anyone who didn’t know Big D and H-town respectively.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 12:29:17am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So we threaten sanctions against other countries who ignore Iran sanctions and try to maintain the deal. How the hell is that supposed to play out especially in light of the fact that Russia and China will certainly not cave?

Europe will be torn, it will be interesting to see which side they fall on.

Are we really about to knock the US down to being a third-rate world power?

That’s the one that has me just shaking my head, the threat of sanctions to force compliance from our allies. What does Donny do if all the other parties call his bluff and choose to continue to work with Iran to provide sanction relief in compliance with the JCPOA? There’s a limit to how much the executive branch can do, he would have to go to Congress to impose sanctions with real teeth. And while there are nutters aplenty in the GOP ranks, I can’t see Yertle or whoever replace ZEGS going along with a bill to sanction the EU for refusal to bow at Donny’s feet.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:29:40am

re: #206 JordanRules

Well damn. This is apparently photoshopped. Boooo.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:29:46am

re: #208 JordanRules

Interesting. I have family that’s lived in Tyler forever and I’ve heard it since the 90s all the way out here in Arizona, before I ever lived there. I’ve never encountered anyone who didn’t know Big D and H-town respectively.

I’m going through the Big D and I don’t mean Düsseldorf!

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:32:20am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m going through the Big D and I don’t mean Düsseldorf!

D’oh!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:33:02am

re: #210 JordanRules

Well damn. This is apparently photoshopped. Boooo.

I don’t doubt that they were both in the same club at some point back then

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:34:29am

Mitch McConnell still trolling Don Blankenship… .

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:34:43am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t doubt that they were both in the same club at some point back then

Indeed!! That’s exactly why I thought it was legit. Ah well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:36:45am

re: #215 JordanRules

Indeed!! That’s exactly why I thought it was legit. Ah well.

“Don’t believe everything you see on the Internet!”

-Abraham Lincoln

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:37:20am

re: #214 Anymouse 🌹

Mitch McConnell still trolling Don Blankenship… .

America has nonetheless become a bad parody of itself and one that I cannot even laugh at much anymore.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:37:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:38:35am

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹

At least 17 women candidates have won or are leading in Democratic primaries for the U.S. House.

part of the backlash against the GOP for nominating a sexist pig and misogynist

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 12:40:08am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:40:34am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

America has nonetheless become a bad parody of itself and one that I cannot even laugh at much anymore.

I enjoy watching conservatives eat their own. The press keeps trying to magic balance fairy this with “Dems in disarray,” but as shown by the Sanders supported candidates tonight, that really isn’t true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:43:36am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

I enjoy watching conservatives eat their own. The press keeps trying to magic balance fairy this with “Dems in disarray,” but as shown by the Sanders supported candidates tonight, that really isn’t true.

So primary results indicate that there will be fewer Roy Moore, Christine O’Donnell or Sharron Angle whackjobs who blow an otherwise sound chance for the GOP.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:46:08am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So primary results indicate that there will be fewer Roy Moore, Christine O’Donnell or Sharron Angle whackjobs who blow an otherwise sound chance for the GOP.

Oh, they’ll still have their opportunity. Plenty of time for them to flame out with statements like Todd Akin’s or Richard Mourdock’s.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 12:57:06am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:58:56am

re: #223 Anymouse 🌹

Oh, they’ll still have their opportunity. Plenty of time for them to flame out with statements like Todd Akin’s or Richard Mourdock’s.

The people who got nominated seemed to have learned their lesson: pay lip service to Trump’s leadership but do not try to match his style or rhetoric.

They will be harder to beat than full-on whackjobs who emulate or even exceed DT for crazy statements without a fawning press to mitigate everything for them.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 1:01:47am

Gaaa … don’t read the comments.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 1:06:40am

The absurdity of twitter… just checked out the California governor’s “debate” (these things are never real debates.)

Online shitheads think they are clever, but they’re just fooling themselves.

Trumpism is part of America, for sure. America created Trump, not the other way around.

But the force multiplier of our modern communications has really amped up the feedback loops.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 1:14:06am

re: #226 Anymouse 🌹

Gaaa … don’t read the comments.

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As we learned with the Repeal effort last year, Donny never has a plan beyond “I don’t like it, so it must die!” Which is (as I’ve noted before) indicative of a man who long ago ceased being anything more than a figurehead within his business, dependent upon underlings to do the actual work of making his empty-headed ideas become reality.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 1:25:30am

The commenters to this Facebook post by Fox:

Facebook Post

… just can’t get over Hillary.

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 1:25:32am

The Korea Times doesn’t have much faith in US after pulling out of the Iran agreement.


Iran pullout a message to North Korea

President Donald Trump’s withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal is a major setback to US negotiating credibility and will complicate efforts to reach an agreement with Pyongyang over its own more advanced weapons programme, analysts say.

MIT political science professor Vipin Narang added: “Today is a stark reminder across the world: Deals are reversible and can have expiration dates, while nuclear weapons can offer lifetime insurance.”

The unilateral nature of Trump’s move is also likely to worry officials at the Blue House in Seoul.

The decision was made despite repeated personal pleas by European leaders and cast aside more than a decade and a half of careful diplomacy by Britain, China, France, Germany, Iran, Russia and past US administrations.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has been widely praised for seizing the opportunity presented by the Winter Olympics to broker talks between Trump and Kim ― two leaders who were at loggerheads just months before, and threatening to wage a war which would inevitably devastate the South.

But the fate of the Iran deal suggests Trump could also dismiss pleas from Seoul ― a treaty ally ― in future.

Just ask the First Nation about the white man’s word.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2018 • 1:33:17am

re: #229 freetoken

The commenters to this Facebook post by Fox:

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… just can’t get over Hillary.

You know, I really, really want to start a website called “donaldjtrumpisagoddamncrook dot com”. Sadly, I don’t have the money to buy a domain name.

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Bass Reeves  May 9, 2018 • 1:33:31am

re: #208 JordanRules

8+uL8HSK2UHuxm5KpEwWzeGA4WHEk/z+pdD2pEOAx+rgmqu6blwwWGZomqPluiJOH3ndgVzffmSroFsHf/ROmA==

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 1:35:03am

West Texas Intermediate crude has hit $71.00

Welcome back to Republican gas prices.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 1:35:25am

re: #233 Single-handed sailor

West Texas Intermediate crude has hit $71.00

Welcome back to Republican gas prices.

putin is smiling

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 1:43:38am

The Great Recession of 2008 was tightly coupled to liquid fuel prices.

It’s another one of those nasty systems of feedback and feedforward loops.

Because liquid fuels play such a central role in the American economy, there is an inescapable embrace of the price of liquid fuels and employment.

One of the effects: miles driven per year goes down in the depths of the recession, but the miles were also under negative pressure by high gasoline prices.

In turn, when the recession really hits hard, driving goes down, and thus demand for fuel goes down, and liquids prices go down.

But because employment is tied to fuel production and consumption, less fuel production and consumption means less jobs in that sector of the economy.

This has long been known. For decades now, specialists in this area have tried to convince the US that the less we depend upon petroleum the better off we’ll be.

That’s why alcohol fuels were pushed after the “Arab Oil Embargo”, way back in the ‘70’s. It was thought that if the US switched to fuels produced via farms (and we have lots of farmland) then we can buffer against global cartels in petroleum.

Anway, Trumpers never learn from history.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 1:45:08am

re: #233 Single-handed sailor

West Texas Intermediate crude has hit $71.00

Welcome back to Republican gas prices.

Too bad for all the conservatives that decided to buy gas-guzzling SUVs and oversized trucks.

Good thing I own a car that gets 50+ mpg.

Perhaps Ford will rethink their strategy of discontinuing cars.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2018 • 1:45:51am

re: #149 Kragar

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 1:46:01am

re: #235 freetoken

The Great Recession of 2008 was tightly coupled to liquid fuel prices.

It’s another one of those nasty systems of feedback and feedforward loops.

Because liquid fuels play such a central role in the American economy, there is an inescapable embrace of the price of liquid fuels and employment.

But because employment is tied to fuel production and consumption, less fuel production and consumption means less jobs in that sector of the economy.

And people in rural areas are much more dependent on automobiles as they have little or no access to public transportation. They will be impacted the most. And they money they spend on gasoline does not get spent on consuming other things and driving the economy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 1:47:18am

re: #235 freetoken

Except the method we use to produce ethanol not only drives up food prices (by taking agricultural land out of production to produce the crops necessary for ethanol), it also requires vast amounts of petroleum products to produce.

Ethanol, at least the way we produce it now, does not save on petroleum.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 1:48:03am

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Lots of gasohol in the upper Mississippi valley, though.

Gasoline prices tend to be highest on the coasts, near large cities.

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 1:49:52am

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹

Yeah, bought gas the other day. I drove home, slow traffic slight uphill, got 10.7 mpg. Good thing I never have to drive far.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 1:50:41am

I guess we can look forward to Republicans engaging in another example of recycling by bringing out all the Bush-era talk about how the high gas prices are due not to their geopolitical cock-ups, but because gas taxes are “too high.”

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 1:52:38am

re: #239 Anymouse 🌹

Ethanol, at least the way we produce it now, does not save on petroleum.

Lots of papers written on this, lots of debates.

The general sense that I get is that the return on investment, or EROEI, for American alcohol production, is around 1.

Proponents will still point out that the farming industry can use lower grade liquid fuels and solid fuels to produce alcohol, which is intended more for consumer vehicles and driving in dense areas.

Anyway, yes, the current method isn’t much of a gain at all, except for land owners in Iowa where gasohol demand for corn has forced every corner of every field to be put into production.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 1:55:56am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 1:56:48am

re: #240 freetoken

Lots of gasohol in the upper Mississippi valley, though.

Gasoline prices tend to be highest on the coasts, near large cities.

That’s something else: When there’s a drought (such as we had in 2012) and corn crops fail, the law still requires selling a certain percentage of the crop to ethanol producers.

Ranchers in this part of the country were going ballistic and demanding the repeal of that law. Nope. Conservatives support large businesses, not family farms and ranches.

Huge numbers of cattle were slaughtered across the nation as ranchers could no longer feed cattle due to extremely high feed prices in an unfair competition in the so-called free market when nearly half the feed was taken off the market for fuel production.

That did reduce the cost of beef for a while in the grocery store.

So now a bunch of them voted in a President who promised to gut NAFTA, even though they depend on that trade deal. “This time for sure!” as conservatives blindly pull the lever for the (R).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 1:57:34am

re: #243 freetoken

Anyway, yes, the current method isn’t much of a gain at all, except for land owners in Iowa where gasohol demand for corn has forced every corner of every field to be put into production.

Then it is no longer agriculture, at least not in the sense of producing foodstuffs, just as growing cotton is not: it is producing a raw material for an industrial process.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 1:58:41am

re: #245 Anymouse 🌹

Huge numbers of cattle were slaughtered across the nation as ranchers could no longer feed cattle due to extremely high feed prices in an unfair competition in the so-called free market when nearly half the feed was taken off the market for fuel production.

That did reduce the cost of beef for a while in the grocery store.

Modern agriculture has little to do with the free market.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 1:59:22am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A great deal of agriculture has always been about producing things other than what is directly consumed by humans.

Textiles, for one example.

And the corn industry has found more industrial uses for corn than using it as a human food.

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 2:00:30am

I was always amused by the fact that one of the highest gas prices in the area is the Shell gas station next to the Shell refinery. I asked the owner why it was so expensive. He said, “Delivery costs.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:03:12am

re: #248 freetoken

A great deal of agriculture has always been about producing things other than what is directly consumed by humans.

Textiles, for one example.

And the corn industry has found more industrial uses for corn than using it as a human food.

and tobacco.

my point is that agriculture has become as much of another stage in the industrial process as anything else, even most the corn, wheat and soybeans that we eat is industrially processed before we consume it.

(OT, but I would only refer to those three crops in that order, I would never say wheat, corn and soybeans or soybeans, corn and wheat, etc…is there something like the “little old lady” “long tall Texan” rule at work here?)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 2:06:19am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Modern agriculture has little to do with the free market.

Agriculture gets a whole bunch of subsidies and tax breaks for sure.

The USDA notes steady increase in fossil fuel input in ethanol corn production since 1991. They also note steady increase in fertilizer. They do note that the BTU per pound has dropped some since 1991. (About 20% down the page is the chart)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 2:08:17am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and tobacco.

my point is that agriculture has become as much of another stage in the industrial process as anything else, even most the corn, wheat and soybeans that we eat is industrially processed before we consume it.

(OT, but I would only refer to those three crops in that order, I would never say wheat, corn and soybeans or soybeans, corn and wheat, etc…is there something like the “little old lady” “long tall Texan” rule at work here?)

Maybe it’s a regional thing. I usually say them as wheat, soybeans, and corn. Must be my Michigan upbringing.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 2:08:37am

Getting back to my old soapbox of worldview collapse…

I have not heard, in my lifetime, a national leader, such as a President, willing to take on this problem.

The closest we got was Jimmy Carter, who tried to convince people that lifestyles matter and that change was needed.

He was reviled for this.

In great part, Ronald Reagan’s election was about America not wanting to hear what Jimmy Carter had to say.

40 years later and we’re still in the same position.

Old ways die hard. Cultures are passed down from one generation to another. Entire belief systems are passed on with little change, even unintentionally.

Ever notice how history shows, real history shows, are not very popular as TV productions?

Sure, on occasion, a very highly touted PBS series by Ken Burns gets some press, and maybe a couple of million viewers (adding up online viewers, etc.)

But that’s about it. Rarely do we find a successful continuing series about history.

Genealogy shows try, but they have to dole out the history in tiny drips or drabs so as not to turn off the audiences.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 2:11:19am

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹

The USDA notes steady increase in fossil fuel input in ethanol corn production since 1991. They also note steady increase in fertilizer. They do note that the BTU per pound has dropped some since 1991. (About 20% down the page is the chart)

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Page 2 of the summary seems to be saying the opposite of what you wrote here.

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wheat-dogg  May 9, 2018 • 2:11:21am

re: #250 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and tobacco.

my point is that agriculture has become as much of another stage in the industrial process as anything else, even most the corn, wheat and soybeans that we eat is industrially processed before we consume it.

(OT, but I would only refer to those three crops in that order, I would never say wheat, corn and soybeans or soybeans, corn and wheat, etc…is there something like the “little old lady” “long tall Texan” rule at work here?)

I would argue that “corn, wheat and soybeans” just sounds right, from a metrical standpoint. But there really is a prescribed order for adjectives.

Citation: bbc.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 2:15:52am

re: #253 freetoken

Getting back to my old soapbox of worldview collapse…

I have not heard, in my lifetime, a national leader, such as a President, willing to take on this problem.

The closest we got was Jimmy Carter, who tried to convince people that lifestyles matter and that change was needed.

He was reviled for this.

In great part, Ronald Reagan’s election was about America not wanting to hear what Jimmy Carter had to say.

40 years later and we’re still in the same position.

Old ways die hard. Cultures are passed down from one generation to another. Entire belief systems are passed on with little change, even unintentionally.

Ever notice how history shows, real history shows, are not very popular as TV productions?

Sure, on occasion, a very highly touted PBS series by Ken Burns gets some press, and maybe a couple of million viewers (adding up online viewers, etc.)

But that’s about it. Rarely do we find a successful continuing series about history.

Genealogy shows try, but they have to dole out the history in tiny drips or drabs so as not to turn off the audiences.

collapseofindustrialcivilization.com

And one of Ronald Reagan’s first action was to rip down the solar panels on top of the White House that Jimmy Carter had installed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:21:06am

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹

collapseofindustrialcivilization.com

And one of Ronald Reagan’s first action was to rip down the solar panels on top of the White House that Jimmy Carter had installed.

I remember reading about that and really gnashing my teeth in anger. I think that Bush repeated the process after Clinton.

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wheat-dogg  May 9, 2018 • 2:27:40am

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹

Carter, as an engineer, understood the need for long-range planning, I believe. Small corrections done early can lead to huge payoffs in the future. But he failed in communicating that message successfully to the American industry and public. Reagan just stuck a fork in it. Similarly, Al Gore’s repeated warnings about global warming have only been accepted by an alarming minority of the population, because the energy industry and the Republican Party have succeeded in drowning out Gore with waves of bullshit.

And US car makers seem hell-bent on repeating the same mistakes they made decades ago, when gas was cheap and seemingly in infinite supply. They concentrated on gas-guzzlers and were unprepared for the inevitable “gas crisis” which allowed more fuel-efficient foreign makes to get a foothold in the USA.

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Lupin  May 9, 2018 • 2:27:42am

re: #201 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So we threaten sanctions against other countries who ignore Iran sanctions and try to maintain the deal. How the hell is that supposed to play out especially in light of the fact that Russia and China will certainly not cave?

Europe will be torn, it will be interesting to see which side they fall on.

Are we really about to knock the US down to being a third-rate world power?

My guess is that countries / firms who want to continue doing business with Iran will either move their assets out of the US or create more elaborate screens. And I’m sure they’ll find some complicit American business to help them. The net result will be a blow to US from a business standpoint.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 2:32:59am

re: #258 wheat-dogg

Carter, as an engineer, understood the need for long-range planning, I believe. Small corrections done early can lead to huge payoffs in the future. But he failed in communicating that message successfully to the American industry and public. Reagan just stuck a fork in it. Similarly, Al Gore’s repeated warnings about global warming have only been accepted by an alarming minority of the population, because the energy industry and the Republican Party have succeeded in drowning out Gore with waves of bullshit.

And US car makers seem hell-bent on repeating the same mistakes they made decades ago, when gas was cheap and seemingly in infinite supply. They concentrated on gas-guzzlers and were unprepared for the inevitable “gas crisis” which allowed more fuel-efficient foreign makes to get a foothold in the USA.

Reagan, running for reëlection, ran on a plank of “Do you want a repeat of Jimmy Carter’s presidency?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:36:41am

re: #260 Anymouse 🌹

Reagan, running for reëlection, ran on a plank of “Do you want a repeat of Jimmy Carter’s presidency?”

“Are you better off than you were four years ago?” was his clincher, and it really resounded with the US public.

And that sentiment is what led to Bush 1 losing to Clinton (“It’s the economy, stupid!”) and McCain losing to Obama after the 2008 collapse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:38:07am

re: #260 Anymouse 🌹

Reagan, running for reëlection, ran on a plank of “Do you want a repeat of Jimmy Carter’s presidency?”

also kudos and upding for deft use of “ë” in “reëlection”.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:44:26am

re: #253 freetoken

Getting back to my old soapbox of worldview collapse…

I have not heard, in my lifetime, a national leader, such as a President, willing to take on this problem.

The closest we got was Jimmy Carter, who tried to convince people that lifestyles matter and that change was needed.

He was reviled for this.

In great part, Ronald Reagan’s election was about America not wanting to hear what Jimmy Carter had to say.

40 years later and we’re still in the same position.

Old ways die hard. Cultures are passed down from one generation to another. Entire belief systems are passed on with little change, even unintentionally.

Ever notice how history shows, real history shows, are not very popular as TV productions?

Sure, on occasion, a very highly touted PBS series by Ken Burns gets some press, and maybe a couple of million viewers (adding up online viewers, etc.)

But that’s about it. Rarely do we find a successful continuing series about history.

Genealogy shows try, but they have to dole out the history in tiny drips or drabs so as not to turn off the audiences.

Does a former Vice President count? I think a case can be made for Mr. Gore with regard to one extremely important piece of worldwide collapse.

I think our last President spoke and wrote about the long view frequently and got a lot of important legislation passed with it in mind too.

Humans are generally failing here overall though.

Agree on the history stuff. I miss what the History channel used to be.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 2:47:12am

It’s very difficult as we grow older to accept change.

You can ask why should someone listen to my ideas rather than another voice on internet. After all, maybe my wingnut relatives for all their hypocrisy really have a better take on life?

At some point one needs to embrace the idea that technical specialization really does give a society advantages. This means we have to rely on the opinions of others in fields about which one cannot know but a few passing words.

The struggle with the Trumpers is that they really have closed themselves off from this idea of modernity, of being part of a whole that relies on a vast network of expertise.

The ideology of self-reliance is at odds with modern life. It’s a hold-over from the frontier days, when a man really had to be able to do everything to live.

This is part of the root of hyper-individualism which is one of our problems. This is why Trump can be an anti-vaxxer and his followers will not hold him accountable for it.

Atavism is escapism. One can’t turn back the clock. All that will come of atavism is chaos and disaster.

Trump is a product of America. He is made flesh all the silly ideas one found on the (now late) Art Bell radio show of the 1990’s. Trump is the embodiment of all the dog whistling that Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have done for decades.

One reason I harp on creationism so much is that it is the tell-tell sign of a society unwilling to accept the modern world. Creationism is the most directly observable symptom of embracing a worldview at odds with modernity. More so than (space) alien invasions, anti-vaxxers, and even the Duggars.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:48:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:49:06am

re: #263 JordanRules

Does a former Vice President count? I think a case can be made for Mr. Gore with regard to one extremely important piece of worldwide collapse.

Gore made the mistake of thinking he could put his political career behind him and become an elder statesman and spokesman for a greater cause, but instead had the unintended effect of turning climate change into an even more partisan issue than it had been before.

It is unfortunate that he led a lot of people to reject climate change outright just because it came out of the mouth of a Democrat.

Remember this ad?

Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich Commercial on Climate Change

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 2:51:08am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…, but instead had the unintended effect of turning climate change into an even more partisan issue than it had been before.

This, very much this.

In America, accepting expertise is now a partisan issue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:52:22am

re: #264 freetoken

It’s very difficult as we grow older to accept change.

One reason I harp on creationism so much is that it is the tell-tell sign of a society unwilling to accept the modern world. Creationism is the most directly observable symptom of embracing a worldview at odds with modernity. More so than (space) alien invasions, anti-vaxxers, and even the Duggars.

Even the Catholic Church tells us there is no inherent conflict between Evolution and Creation, only Biblical literalists have a problem with it.

And we are still sold on the notion that “environmental whackos” want us to go back to living in lean-tos and wiping our butts with tree leaves, when it is in fact our fossil fuels that are outdated: a lot of environmental technology is cutting-edge but cannot succeed against established and often subsidized sources of energy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:53:13am

re: #265 JordanRules

paywalled…

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:55:23am

re: #269 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

paywalled…

I was able to view in an incognito browser tab.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 2:57:00am

re: #270 JordanRules

I was able to view in an incognito browser tab.

Yup, one needs to escape the WaPo cookie.

I immediately balked at the embrace of using “race” as a classifier.

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wheat-dogg  May 9, 2018 • 2:57:39am

re: #267 freetoken

This, very much this.

In America, accepting expertise is now a partisan issue.

It’s a plank of the Tea-publican Party — that experts cannot be trusted, because reasons, and “good old common sense from the salt of the earth” can. So, they found the ideal candidate, a man who flies by the seat of his very ample pants and ignores the advice of even the experts he hired as his staff.

If the Dems cannot win at least one branch of Congress this fall, we are doomed.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:57:52am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Gore made the mistake of thinking he could put his political career behind him and become an elder statesman and spokesman for a greater cause, but instead had the unintended effect of turning climate change into an even more partisan issue than it had been before.

It is unfortunate that he led a lot of people to reject climate change outright just because it came out of the words of a Democrat.

Remember this ad?

Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich Commercial on Climate Change

Blast from the past!

I think they would’ve hardened against climate change with or without Gore. And I think he brought more folks into the fold and raised awareness tremendously.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:58:28am

re: #267 freetoken

In America, accepting expertise is now a partisan issue.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 2:58:53am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

also kudos and upding for deft use of “ë” in “reëlection”.

Alt 0235 for the win!

A friend dragged me recently when I wrote to say I’d filed for reëlection, claiming that is an improper spelling.

He got back a two-page E-mail that basically boiled down to “no it’s not.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 2:59:35am

re: #273 JordanRules

Blast from the past!

I think they would’ve hardened against climate change with or without Gore. And I think he brought more folks into the fold and raised awareness tremendously.

It was already a partisan issue, he just made it more so.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2018 • 3:00:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 3:01:46am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

Alt 0235 for the win!

A friend dragged me recently when I wrote to say I’d filed for reëlection, claiming that is an improper spelling.

He got back a two-page E-mail that basically boiled down to “no it’s not.”

you get a squiggly line underneath it, but it is an accepted method of separating the two letters and much more ëlëgant than “re-election”

totally mëtal

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 3:02:36am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Gore made the mistake of thinking he could put his political career behind him and become an elder statesman and spokesman for a greater cause, but instead had the unintended effect of turning climate change into an even more partisan issue than it had been before.

It is unfortunate that he led a lot of people to reject climate change outright just because it came out of the words of a Democrat.

Remember this ad?

Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich Commercial on Climate Change

I’m afraid the link is bad. It only has the first part before the two soliduses.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:03:00am

re: #271 freetoken

Yup, one needs to escape the WaPo cookie.

I immediately balked at the embrace of using “race” as a classifier.

How else would they uncover the story of the data without race? It’s kinda important here.

Yes, *we* know technically what race is and is not, but it’s not practical or in practice right now.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 3:06:46am

re: #280 JordanRules

It’s just when I see “Hispanic” as a “race” my yellow flags go up.

Demographers are really guilty of sloppy descriptions. I don’t know why. Other social scientists seem more predisposed at being careful with their language.

I think “race” in our census data is a left-over from our very bigoted past.

This raises a difficult question, which you bring up, as to how then to properly describe groups of people who are somehow discriminated against.

How about “population group” as a self-identifier?

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:06:53am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was already a partisan issue, he just made it more so.

And I think that would’ve happened anyway. Absent Gore we would not have more sensible GOPers in this area. They want to keep their coal jobs, big trucks and still bow to big business.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 3:06:56am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

I’m afraid the link is bad. It only has the first part before the two soliduses.

Nancy Pelosi and Newt Gingrich Commercial on Climate Change

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 3:08:16am

re: #282 JordanRules

And I think that would’ve happened anyway. Absent Gore we would not have more sensible GOPers in this area. They want to keep their coal jobs, big trucks and still bow to big business.

On one hand, he did help popularize the issue, on the other, he led a lot of people to reject it outright without consideration.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:13:06am

re: #281 freetoken

It’s just when I see “Hispanic” as a “race” my yellow flags go up.

Demographers are really guilty of sloppy descriptions. I don’t know why. Other social scientists seem more predisposed at being careful with their language.

I think “race” in our census data is a left-over from our very bigoted past.

This raises a difficult question, which you bring up, as to how then to properly describe groups of people who are somehow discriminated against.

How about “population group” as a self-identifier?

They mention Hispanic as an ethnicity and using census data at the end of the page.

One day we’ll get there and “population group” sounds good to me.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:15:57am

re: #284 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

On one hand, he did help popularize the issue, on the other, he led a lot of people to reject it outright without consideration.

Obama is for climate change. Big business is not. They would have eventually been against it.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:20:19am

re: #277 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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The herb section just got exciting!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 3:21:34am

re: #286 JordanRules

Obama is for climate change. Big business is not. They would have eventually been against it.

Big business with an eye for long-range planning might have little problem with it, but the conflict was generally framed as “progress & self-determination” vs “alarmism & creeping world government”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 3:21:52am

re: #287 JordanRules

The herb section just got exciting!!

potiene?

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:22:50am
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:23:50am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Big business with an eye for long-range planning might have little problem with it, but the conflict was generally framed as “progress & self-determination” vs “alarmism & creeping world government”

That framing is spot on and I think we can apply it pretty broadly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 3:27:17am

re: #291 JordanRules

That framing is spot on and I think we can apply it pretty broadly.

anti-vax is a unique issue: here we have anti-big pharma, anti-western medicine types on the left aligning with anti-big government, anti-science types on the right.

put the two together and we wind up with a critical mass of stupidity that is already threatening lives

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:29:39am

Donald Trump’s emptiness revealed itself over decades in the media glare. But Melania, a former model, has long embraced vacancy as an aesthetic. She has the creepy, objectified opacity of a doll, or a robot—a shimmer of the uncanny valley. Her willed passivity may be the strongest expression of her agency. She is an avatar of blankness, a mute queen. Standing behind a podium in the Rose Garden, her husband in the audience, Melania spoke slowly, with practiced inflections; she sounded like an actor reading from a script that she didn’t quite understand. When the words “Be Best” materialized on a screen above her head, their wobbly font and off-key grammar produced a sense of dissociation, as though we were all kids wondering where our parents had gone.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 3:34:07am

re: #293 JordanRules

It really is a scene one would expect in the Idiocracy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 3:43:47am

re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

potiene?

We are about to have poutine now … my wife is firing up the air fryer.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 3:48:55am

A movie from a couple of years ago, Death Race 2050 , remake of an earlier film by the title “Death Race”, is very much about a future similar to The Idiocracy:

Who knew these dystopias would start so soon?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2018 • 3:51:16am

re: #294 freetoken

It really is a scene one would expect in the Idiocracy.

If Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho runs against tRump in 2020, he’s got my vote!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 3:51:33am

re: #296 freetoken

A movie from a couple of years ago, Death Race 2050 , remake of an earlier film by the title “Death Race”, is very much about a future similar to The Idiocracy:

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Who knew these dystopias would start so soon?

The scariest one I have read to date is Gary Shteyngart’s 2010 Super Sad True Love Story that describes a post-literate America after the Great Currency Collapse: anyone who wants to live beyond the basics needs access to Yuan or Northern Euro-backed currency.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2018 • 3:51:51am

re: #259 Lupin

My guess is that countries / firms who want to continue doing business with Iran will either move their assets out of the US or create more elaborate screens. And I’m sure they’ll find some complicit American business to help them. The net result will be a blow to US from a business standpoint.

As an American living overseas on a permanent basis as a registered alien (Czech Republic), I stand ready to assist for the modest fee of $35,000 per annum.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 3:53:14am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Death Race 2050 is filled with socio-political commentary about the state of America:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 3:54:13am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

As an American living overseas on a permanent basis as a registered alien (Czech Republic), I stand ready to assist for the modest fee of $35,000 per annum.

And I can help set up a shell corporation based in Germany…

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 4:07:27am
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 4:09:26am
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 4:42:06am
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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 4:45:16am

re: #304 JordanRules

For some time now I’ve contended that the apocalypse will be documented live on twitter.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 4:45:33am

It’s 1913 all over again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 4:46:22am

re: #306 freetoken

It’s 1913 all over again.

economic 1913 in any case

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 4:48:04am

re: #305 freetoken

For some time now I’ve contended that the apocalypse will be documented live on twitter.

Can’t even argue against that. Way back in ‘09 when the Iranian Green Movement used Twitter to document everything in real time my mind was blown.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 4:59:34am

re: #308 JordanRules

Can’t even argue against that. Way back in ‘09 when the Iranian Green Movement used Twitter to document everything in real time my mind was blown.

That is a positive side. Flip side is that ever since people like Matt Drudge and Breitbart figured out that all they had to do was to float a story out there long enough and it would gain a life of its own, get picked up by the networks, for whom “trending on Twitter” became a valid news topic, and that those stories would then be treated as if they had any merit….

And lots of actors, foreign and domestic, picked up on that approach.

Jade Helm, anyone?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 5:02:10am

Digby’s Blog on Mueller rejecting Giuliani’s request to have his questions in writing for Trump or to limit the time he is interviewed:

Stunning that Mueller doesn’t think Trump can be trusted to answer the questions on the honor system. He’s as honest as the day is long —— in the arctic, on the winter solstice.

I’m sure they’re worried that the interview will become public. After all, that’s what the backstabbing Republicans would do. Indeed, they did. They told Clinton that his Grand Jury testimony had to be taped for a juror who was out sick —- and then Starr turned the ape over to the Republicans in congress and they released it to the public.

Giuliani says he needs to prep Trump and it will take time so he wants to wait until after the North Korean Summit because Trump is spending his time being briefed on that.

Sure he is.

(more)
digbysblog.blogspot.com

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 5:04:00am

re: #179 KGxvi

Anyone out here watch the California governors debate?

I tried to watch it but just didn’t have it in me to pay attention. I did see though that the wingnut on stage (Travis Allen) had a not at all crazy answer to homelessness: enforce vagrancy and loitering laws. That’s right, he wants to criminalize homelessness. I’m sure that’ll solve problems

I also tried to see what people were saying on twitter but apparently a lot of people who live in California actually think it’s terrible here (we’ve got our problems, sure, but there are at least 47 less desirable states to live in)

There is ALOT of Russian activity surrounding California and the Russian desire to help split it up.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 5:07:05am

Logistics Problems (Goes to Juanita Jean’s: The World’s Most Dangerous Beauty Salon, guaranteed to light your fire this morning under the new Conservative Cruelty, more at the link):

Y’all, we have a logistics problem. The state of Louisiana, America, is having a very busy week.

BATON ROUGE — Louisiana’s Department of Health will begin sending nursing home eviction notices Thursday to more than 30,000 residents who could lose Medicaid under the budget passed by the state House of Representatives.

Best I can figure, they have no place to put 30,000 nursing home residents. The “vast majority” of nursing homes will close and “more than 25,000 people” working in health care will lose their jobs.

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 5:09:03am

Good Morning…..

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jeffreyw  May 9, 2018 • 5:10:58am

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Good morning!

Imgur

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 5:19:01am

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Same thing happened before Twitter existed. It happened on blogs and was distributed heavily outside of the blogosphere via email. It would get so bad that the term ‘nutpicking’ was even adopted/adapted to describe folks including media who would cherrypick comments to form their narratives.

And no matter how much information and testimony is provided about how these new tools help marginalized communities it’s just ignored…and that’s how marginalization works.

It’s also silly to just highlight Twitter. I like freetokens use of the phrase “modern communications” at #227. It correctly captures a lot more than Twitter or social media. At the bottom of damn near every media website in the U.S. is garbage content provided by these huge sketchy ad(?) networks. Russia targeted comments sections like Yahoo for their troll ops long before social media too.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 5:23:16am

Ted Cruz falsely says Beto O’Rourke once resolved to legalize all narcotics (Houston Chronicle)

When fact checked on this by PolitiFact, Cruz simply said they had a liberal bias.

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, seeking a second term representing Texas, declared that his Democratic challenger from El Paso made a “radical” move to legalize all narcotics.

The Houston Republican said in his May 1, 2018, tweet: “With opioids ravaging so many American communities, Congressman Beto O’Rourke’s radical resolution to legalize all narcotics—including heroin and other deadly opioids—is looking worse and worse all the time.”

David Wysong of O’Rourke’s campaign brought Cruz’s claim to our attention. By email, Wysong noted that in 2012, we rated Half True a claim that O’Rourke favored legalizing drugs across the board. O’Rourke, then a member of the El Paso City Council, favored legalizing marijuana, we confirmed, but had called only for debate about legalizing narcotics.

Cruz points out Daily Caller story

Cruz’s tweet pointed to a May 1, 2018, story posted by the conservative Daily Caller headlined “Remember That One Time Beto O’Rourke Called for Legalizing All Narcotics.”

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 5:24:24am

re: #314 jeffreyw

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I love hashbrowns so much!! That’s damn impressive. Looks delicious and magazine cover ready!

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steve_davis  May 9, 2018 • 5:24:45am

re: #81 MsJ

The Hill has no editors.

WTF does that even mean?

i only understand it because I’ve taught freshman comp for 25 years. i just fill in the words and sigh resignedly.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 5:26:25am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 5:27:02am

re: #315 JordanRules

Same thing happened before Twitter existed. It happened on blogs and was distributed heavily outside of the blogosphere via email. It would get so bad that the term ‘nutpicking’ was even adopted/adapted to describe folks including media who would cherrypick comments to form their narratives.

And no matter how much information and testimony is provided about how these new tools help marginalized communities it’s just ignored…and that’s how marginalization works.

It’s also silly to just highlight Twitter. I like freetokens use of the phrase “modern communications” at #227. It correctly captures a lot more than Twitter or social media. At the bottom of damn near every media website in the U.S. is garbage content provided by these huge sketchy ad(?) networks. Russia targeted comments sections like Yahoo for their troll ops long before social media too.

There is a difference.

Some crank pouring out Mimeographed newsletters, a dipwad running a pirate shortwave radio station, or a fringe group with a limited-circulation newsletter only reached a small number of like-minded cranks.

Social media such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube &c allows you to have worldwide coverage for your crankery instantly. The lack of moderation by those platforms (because it cuts into profits to remove cranks) makes it far worse.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 5:30:23am

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

There is a difference.

Some crank pouring out Mimeographed newsletters, a dipwad running a pirate shortwave radio station, or a fringe group with a limited-circulation newsletter only reached a small number of like-minded cranks.

Social media such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube &c allows you to have worldwide coverage for your crankery instantly. The lack of moderation by those platforms (because it cuts into profits to remove cranks) makes it far worse.

Where are the things that came after all the old tech you mentioned and before the social media?
Websites, chatrooms, blogs, email blasts and newsletters etc had the same reach.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2018 • 5:32:27am
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LastYearsMan  May 9, 2018 • 5:33:28am

re: #230 Single-handed sailor

The Korea Times, like pretty much all the English media in Korea, is hot garbage. However, that story appears to be AFP.

If you want to know what Koreans are thinking, much better sources are the English translations for the Chosun Ilbo (conservative) or the Hankyoreh (liberal). AskaKorean (very left Korean-American) is very good too.

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 5:37:35am
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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 5:38:54am

re: #229 freetoken

The commenters to this Facebook post by Fox:

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… just can’t get over Hillary.

The comments at fox news itself are brutal. I’m sure fox will turn them off soon.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 5:40:17am
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jeffreyw  May 9, 2018 • 5:41:06am

re: #317 JordanRules

I love hashbrowns so much!! That’s damn impressive. Looks delicious and magazine cover ready!

Thanks! My flip-fu is weak, though, I had to use a spatula.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 5:41:51am

What?!??

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 5:43:13am

re: #321 JordanRules

Where are the things that came after all the old tech you mentioned and before the social media?
Websites, chatrooms, blogs, email blasts and newsletters etc had the same reach.

Actually, no. Before the explosion of the World Wide Web, chatrooms, blogs, &c actually had a much smaller reach. Internet service was widely unavailable, computers with any significant power were exceptionally expensive (therefore E-mail blasts were also rather uncommon).

Outside of Commodore’s Quantum Link (which became AOL), CompuServe had the largest marketshare, running on PDP-8s, 10s, and 11s. At it’s peak, it had 380,000 subscribers in the USA.

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 5:43:43am

re: #327 jeffreyw

Thanks! My flip-fu is weak, though, I had to use a spatula.

It’s the cast iron…… It’s everything with fried chicken and taters of all dimensions.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 5:44:42am

Perfection!

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b.d.  May 9, 2018 • 5:51:40am

re: #326 JordanRules

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On what planet was that only one year ago?

Damn…..

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 5:52:08am

Another family-values compassionate conservative (tm) Republican office holder in trouble:

Alabama Sheriff Caught In Web Of Criminal Probes Asks For ‘Prayers’ (Goes to Talking Points Memo, more at the link):

Like several other Alabama sheriffs, Morgan County’s Ana Franklin has been accused of taking advantage of an archaic state law to pocket taxpayer funds set aside to feed inmates.

But the allegations against the county’s top law enforcement officer go much further.

The venture in which Franklin invested the inmate food funds happened to be a used-car lot run by an ex-felon. Franklin has failed to account for the unaudited, tax-exempt money she raised running an annual local rodeo, which earned about $20,000 each year — funds she promised went to charities and law enforcement. Most troublingly, Franklin is accused of enlisting her office to help bring charges against two people who sought to expose her.

A Morgan County Circuit judge ruled last week that Franklin and one of her deputies engaged in “criminal actions” by misleading the court in seeking a warrant to raid the office of a local blogger who has meticulously tracked Franklin’s activities.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 9, 2018 • 5:52:57am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 5:53:06am

re: #321 JordanRules

Where are the things that came after all the old tech you mentioned and before the social media?
Websites, chatrooms, blogs, email blasts and newsletters etc had the same reach.

I was using instant messager to communicate with people in middle school and that was the late 90’s/early 00’s. We have to realize that new technology always will inevitably be abused. It’s always been this way unfortunately. The problem with the tech and platforms isn’t the platforms themselves but how they’re used. Up and coming bands use YouTube with success for the same reason InfoWars does, old friends and family are able to stay connected for the same reason that the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville was organized, etc. The tech and platforms are here and they’re not leaving. And here we are at various corners of the globe discussing this. I think that’s a good thing. It sucks that it can be abused but that’s always been true.

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wheat-dogg  May 9, 2018 • 5:53:26am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

Actually, no. Before the explosion of the World Wide Web, chatrooms, blogs, &c actually had a much smaller reach. Internet service was widely unavailable, computers with any significant power were exceptionally expensive (therefore E-mail blasts were also rather uncommon).

Outside of Commodore’s Quantum Link (which became AOL), CompuServe had the largest marketshare, running on PDP-8s, 10s, and 11s. At it’s peak, it had 380,000 subscribers in the USA.

I was an early CompuServe subscriber back in the 1980s. Since I was using a C-64 also, I may have a QLink sub, too. I remember how novel it all seemed, getting messages from far away instantaneously (almost, given connection speeds back then).

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 5:53:33am

re: #334 Unshaken Defiance

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Drum bang.

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wheat-dogg  May 9, 2018 • 5:55:52am

re: #334 Unshaken Defiance

I think it’s a time share, because Hillary lives in there, too, from time to time.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 5:57:04am

re: #331 JordanRules

Perfection!

Who’s he responding to?

Unfortunately the Tea Party won, it’s goon is in the WH and occupying way too many seats in Congress and in State houses across the country.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 5:57:44am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

The problem with the tech and platforms isn’t the platforms themselves but how they’re used.

Yup! And that’s really what my point has been over and over.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 5:59:28am

re: #81 MsJ

The Hill has no editors.

WTF does that even mean?

Harris ran against him two years ago and nearly [beat] him then.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 5:59:55am

re: #340 JordanRules

Yup! And that’s really what my point has been over and over.

Yep i was agreeing with you and backing you up there. They really are wonderful tools. I mean that. I just got off responding to something my cousin I never would have met if not for FB. It’s also how I’ve been able to see my niece grow the past 3 years she, my brother, and SiL have lived in Nevada.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 6:00:53am

re: #339 Sir John Barron

Who’s he responding to?

Unfortunately the Tea Party won, it’s goon is in the WH and occupying way too many seats in Congress and in State houses across the country.

Well, to qualify, the Tea Party “won” in the sense that the anti-liberal, anti-pluralistic values they represented found root in many of today’s Republicans.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 6:01:25am

re: #339 Sir John Barron

Who’s he responding to?

Unfortunately the Tea Party won, it’s goon is in the WH and occupying way too many seats in Congress and in State houses across the country.

From that kid’s POV, the Tea Party won a pyrrhic victory and are another group that is going to be defeated. Works for me.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 6:01:26am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

Actually, no. Before the explosion of the World Wide Web, chatrooms, blogs, &c actually had a much smaller reach. Internet service was widely unavailable, computers with any significant power were exceptionally expensive (therefore E-mail blasts were also rather uncommon).

Outside of Commodore’s Quantum Link (which became AOL), CompuServe had the largest marketshare, running on PDP-8s, 10s, and 11s. At it’s peak, it had 380,000 subscribers in the USA.

So the technology was there to reach the same amount of folks but access wasn’t yet. Fair enough and I don’t think that degrades my points too much since I guess you could argue that access is the problem which is absurd too.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 6:03:55am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Yep i was agreeing with you and backing you up there. They really are wonderful tools. I mean that. I just got off responding to something my cousin I never would have met if not for FB. It’s also how I’ve been able to see my niece grow the past 3 years she, my brother, and SiL have lived in Nevada.

Oh I know you were. My bad if my tone came off aggy.
I saw a woman find her mother a a life saving organ donor on Twitter. Watched the whole thing play out from her initial plea to post surgery. It was amazing.

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jeffreyw  May 9, 2018 • 6:05:36am

re: #330 Dave In Austin

It’s the cast iron…… It’s everything with fried chicken and taters of all dimensions.

It’s not..
>hangs head<
cast iron.

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Barefoot Grin  May 9, 2018 • 6:06:01am

I stumbled on a great Japanese manga called “Steves” about Jobs and Waz and the characters from that time.

amazon.co.jp

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:08:33am

re: #346 JordanRules

Oh I know you were. My bad if my tone came off aggy.
I saw a woman find her mother a a life saving organ donor on Twitter. Watched the whole thing play out from her initial plea to post surgery. It was amazing.

All good but yeah things like that show that the platforms and tools themselves are good or even neutral but it’s how we use them. We’re using the same means that the Stormfront assholes use to communicate with each other. Doesn’t mean that the tech is the issue. It means the Stormfront assholes are the issue. Tech is always going to change whether that was inventing the telephone nearly a century and a half ago or SMS more recently, it’s up to us as human beings to use it constructively. I’m trying to think of a good 20th century analogy here. Oh? Perhaps how the radio brought comfort to millions of people around the world during the global depression but how Hitler used it for propaganda. Same thing with cinema and how Leni Riefendstahl used it for propaganda.

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Teukka  May 9, 2018 • 6:08:40am
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 6:10:03am

re: #339 Sir John Barron

Who’s he responding to?

Unfortunately the Tea Party won, it’s goon is in the WH and occupying way too many seats in Congress and in State houses across the country.

He’s responding to Palin and her Tea Party wing is dead. The larger Tea Party descendent movement has been getting waxed in most elections since November 2016. I think he’s pretty spot on in his implication, it’s not going well for them.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 6:10:33am

So the criminally-negligent mine owner who owns a palatial estate in Nevada failed to win the WV Senate GOP primary.

What’s this country coming to?

///

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 6:12:33am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to think of a good 20th century analogy here. Oh? Perhaps how the radio brought comfort to millions of people around the world during the global depression but how Hitler used it for propaganda. Same thing with cinema and how Leni Riefendstahl used it for propaganda.

Great examples!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2018 • 6:13:49am

I subscribe to Scott Manley’s channel, and he just got back from a vacation on the Big Island, so he missed all the fun, but he’s got some great footage from USGS that I hadn’t seen before and then some video from Volcano National Park for some baseline reference:

Kilauea - The World’s Most Active Volcano

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 6:13:56am

re: #336 wheat-dogg

I was an early CompuServe subscriber back in the 1980s. Since I was using a C-64 also, I may have a QLink sub, too. I remember how novel it all seemed, getting messages from far away instantaneously (almost, given connection speeds back then).

I also ran my BBS on my C-64, “networked” (that is, sending a package of messages) from Virginia Beach to another BBS in Richmond so they could be posted there and vice versa.

1200 baud seems so slow nowadays, but then it was like greased lighting.

Quantum Link main screen
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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 6:13:58am

re: #351 JordanRules

He’s responding to Palin and her Tea Party wing is dead. The larger Tea Party descendent movement has been getting waxed in most elections since November 2016. I think he’s pretty spot on in his implication, it’s not going well for them.

Oh, Half-Gov, Palin. What’s she doing with herself these days?

//

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:16:59am

re: #353 JordanRules

Great examples!

Thanks. It was hard for me to think of a past example. Also, radio and how Father Coughlin abused it in the 30’s while many were also listening to radio dramas, sports games and matches, etc.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 6:17:21am

re: #318 steve_davis

i only understand it because I’ve taught freshman comp for 25 years. i just fill in the words and sigh resignedly.

If you consider The Hill a freshman level organization, it’s all good.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:17:37am

re: #355 Anymouse 🌹

I also ran my BBS on my C-64, “networked” (that is, sending a package of messages) from Virginia Beach to another BBS in Richmond so they could be posted there and vice versa.

1200 baud seems so slow nowadays, but then it was like greased lighting.

[Embedded content]

Well pop up my douchebag collar, that’s old school looking as hell.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 6:20:17am

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

There is a difference.

Some crank pouring out Mimeographed newsletters, a dipwad running a pirate shortwave radio station, or a fringe group with a limited-circulation newsletter only reached a small number of like-minded cranks.

Social media such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube &c allows you to have worldwide coverage for your crankery instantly. The lack of moderation by those platforms (because it cuts into profits to remove cranks) makes it far worse.

When “trending on Twitter” became a regular news item, I began to despair for the future of the Republic.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 9, 2018 • 6:20:43am
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 6:20:54am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 6:21:18am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

Well pop up my douchebag collar, that’s old school looking as hell.

Quantum Link didn’t actually serve what we would now consider a Webpage.

Upon selecting a command from the keyboard, Qlink would send a command back to your computer to load a page to your monitor from your 5 1/4” floppy drive.

The only part of Qlink which was actually real time was “People Connection” (chatrooms) for which you were charged a fee by the minute.

The old school part comes from C-64s being 8-bit computers. If you ran Qlink software on a C-128, it would run as a C-64.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2018 • 6:21:53am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

Well pop up my douchebag collar, that’s old school looking as hell.

Even after displays became good enough for normal lettering, a lot of people refused to give up that dot-matrix-looking shit because regular type didn’t look “high-tech” enough.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:22:25am

re: #363 Anymouse 🌹

Quantum Link didn’t actually serve what we would now consider a Webpage.

Upon selecting a command from the keyboard, Qlink would send a command back to your computer to load a page to your monitor from your 5 1/4” floppy drive.

The only part of Qlink which was actually real time was “People Connection” (chatrooms) for which you were charged a fee by the minute.

The old school part comes from C-64s being 8-bit computers. If you ran Qlink software on a C-128, it would run as a C-64.

Yeah and I’m glad that’s changed. The computer became for families when I was growing up in the 90’s what the TV became for my parents’ generation or radio for grandparents.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 6:22:32am

re: #350 Teukka

Why are they doing that?

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Weaselone  May 9, 2018 • 6:22:39am

re: #362 JordanRules

WTF is Palin actually tweeting about? I refuse to click on that link.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:23:51am

re: #364 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Even after displays became good enough for normal lettering, a lot of people refused to give up that dot-matrix-looking shit because regular type didn’t look “high-tech” enough.

I can remember the old word processor they gave me as part of my IEP due to my handwriting issues. I hated it because it was hard to organize the notes. When I went to college, laptops were more widespread and accessible to the public by then and I was able to take much, much better notes. As a result despite having access to alcohol in college that I didn’t in HS, I was a considerably better college student than HS student.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:24:19am

re: #362 JordanRules

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Shannon’s absolutely right. Palin’s the last person that should be lecturing anyone on this issue.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 6:25:25am

Just in case anyone has any bit of pity for her…

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 6:26:49am

re: #367 Weaselone

WTF is Palin actually tweeting about? I refuse to click on that link.

Superintendent lying about some things and most of the students agree about it and the criticism of him so she’s saying Casky finally is on the right side. It’s stupid, like her.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2018 • 6:27:00am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

I can remember the old word processor they gave me as part of my IEP due to my handwriting issues. I hated it because it was hard to organize the notes. When I went to college, laptops were more widespread and accessible to the public by then and I was able to take much, much better notes. As a result despite having access to alcohol in college that I didn’t in HS, I was a considerably better college student than HS student.

Oh, those old dedicated word processors? God, they were a pain in the ass! I was actually a late adopter on real computers, because I figured it would be more of the same, only worse.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:27:35am

re: #370 MsJ

Just in case anyone has any bit of pity for her…

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Maybe you shouldn’t plagiarize, Melania.

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 6:27:37am

re: #350 Teukka

Warning. Do not open if pollen-allergic

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Come to my house on a clear windy day in January…….

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:28:20am

re: #372 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Oh, those old dedicated word processors? God, they were a pain in the ass! I was actually a late adopter on real computers, because I figured it would be more of the same, only worse.

Yeah the Alpha Smart. I mean don’t get me wrong. It was better than a typewriter would have been but it was still a pain.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:29:08am

re: #371 JordanRules

Superintendent lying about some things and most of the students agree about it and the criticism of him so she’s saying Casky finally is on the right side. It’s stupid, like her.

So they didn’t change their stance on guns at all. God Palin is a desperately stupid person.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 6:29:38am

re: #370 MsJ

Melania Trump blames ‘opposition’ for news a ‘Be Best’ pamphlet was recycled from earlier programs

In a nutshell, she is upset with reporters who are doing more than being stenographers…

Reminded me again of an old Soviet-era joke about a fellow who got ten years for calling Chairman Brezhnev an idiot: one year for insulting Soviet authorities and nine years for revealing a state secret.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 6:30:16am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

So they didn’t change their stance on guns at all. God Palin is a desperately stupid person.

Nope they didn’t. She’s just being messy.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:30:43am

re: #378 JordanRules

Nope they didn’t. She’s just being messy.

and intellectually dishonest as always.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 6:31:32am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

Yeah and I’m glad that’s changed. The computer became for families when I was growing up in the 90’s what the TV became for my parents’ generation or radio for grandparents.

Now I feel old. And dammit, I have another birthday on the last day of the month.

Well, the alternative to growing old is dying young.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 6:33:06am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

Yeah and I’m glad that’s changed. The computer became for families when I was growing up in the 90’s what the TV became for my parents’ generation or radio for grandparents.

I have to explain to my kids that there was a time when telephone, television, recording device, music player and camera were all separate devices that could not intercommunicate directly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 6:34:18am

re: #380 Anymouse 🌹

Now I feel old. And dammit, I have another birthday on the last day of the month.

Well, the alternative to growing old is dying young.

I already outlived my dad, he died of a heart attack at age 52.

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Weaselone  May 9, 2018 • 6:34:52am

re: #371 JordanRules

Superintendent lying about some things and most of the students agree about it and the criticism of him so she’s saying Casky finally is on the right side. It’s stupid, like her.

Ah, thanks.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 6:35:27am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Yeah the Alpha Smart. I mean don’t get me wrong. It was better than a typewriter would have been but it was still a pain.

<—- looks at 1914 Royal office typewriter which he regularly uses for village business and writing letters.

I found Word Perfect for the C-64 to be a pain, so I used either a pen or a typewriter much more often. All I’ve seen with “improvements” such as Microsoft Word is a piling on of features I don’t use.

I can fold a normal piece of paper as a letter to fit properly in a #4 envelope as well. Phhhhht.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 6:37:27am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 6:38:24am

re: #381 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to explain to my kids that there was a time when telephone, television, recording device, music player and camera were all separate devices that could not intercommunicate directly.

Send them to my house, where those are still the norm (but we don’t have a television).

Big news at Chez Tumbleweed: My wife bought a digital FM radio to try to actually get something here besides Christian hate radio and conservaliars on AM.

We can get three stations! An FM Christian hate radio station from the county seat, NPR from Alliance (sixty miles), and a country station (eighty miles).

I do better with my ham radio’s shortwave broadcast bands.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 6:38:56am

re: #345 JordanRules

So the technology was there to reach the same amount of folks but access wasn’t yet. Fair enough and I don’t think that degrades my points too much since I guess you could argue that access is the problem which is absurd too.

Morning!

I think ‘mouse may have missed out on about ten years in your debate. Most people use 1996 as the big boom in the internet where computers became inexpensive enough for everyone to start getting on the ‘net. By then software for forums became more popular and easy to use. That allowed all kinds of specialty forums which started to give people online centers to discuss their favorite pastimes, hobbies, politics, etc.

I know that because I was working in auto racing and was reading quite a few racing forums. That was also the year the American openwheel (Indy car racing) racing had a split. That split then carried over in forums and became an us versus them back and forth.

Sure that was racing, but that also demonstrated how things could become adversarial. You had people doing Photoshops to influence and mock others, flame wars, trolls, etc.

I am pretty sure all that was also going on political forums. Matt Drudge had already started The Drudge Report. By 1997 he had already gotten up near 100,000 subscribers.

Then along came social media with MySpace in 2004, with Facebook also starting. Twitter I think was late 2007 or so. A lot of that got an extra boost with the first ‘smartphones’ in the mid 2000s like the first Blackberries. By 2007 the first touch screen smartphones with apps started to hit the market.

Anyway…1996 to 2007 a lot of what we are going through today had started and was building.

Carry on! Just wanted to toss in that little bit of history.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 6:39:09am

re: #386 Anymouse 🌹

Send them to my house, where those are still the norm (but we don’t have a television).

Big news at Chez Tumbleweed: My wife bought a digital FM radio to try to actually get something here besides Christian hate radio and conservaliars on AM.

We can get three stations! An FM Christian hate radio station from the county seat, NPR from Alliance (sixty miles), and a country station (eighty miles).

I do better with my ham radio’s shortwave broadcast bands.

Internet radio

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2018 • 6:39:50am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 6:42:27am

re: #387 ObserverArt

Morning!

I think ‘mouse may have missed out on about ten years in your debate. Most people use 1996 as the big boom in the internet where computers became inexpensive enough for everyone to start getting on the ‘net. By then software for forums became more popular and easy to use. That allowed all kinds of specialty forums which started to give people online centers to discuss their favorite pastimes, hobbies, politics, etc.

[cut]

Anyway…1996 to 2007 a lot of what we are going through today had started and was building.

Carry on! Just wanted to toss that little bit of history.

Thanks. 1996-2007 maps precisely to my homeless period, when computer access was a bit problematic to me.

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Ace-o-aces  May 9, 2018 • 6:42:35am

Bibi is probably checking out the house he will be forced to flee to in order to avoid jail.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 6:43:01am

Thread

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:47:34am

re: #381 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to explain to my kids that there was a time when telephone, television, recording device, music player and camera were all separate devices that could not intercommunicate directly.

Yep. I can remember those days too.

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Jay C  May 9, 2018 • 6:47:52am

re: #389 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So, while Wolfgang’s advice is certainly on-point (and, unlike our idiot’s comments, diplomatic) - I have to wonder what the chances are that German companies actually will “wind down” any business in Iran?

What’s the leverage here? Starting a trade war with European countries if they don’t go along with The Donald’s Iran obsession?

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:47:57am

re: #391 Ace-o-aces

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Bibi is probably checking out the house he will be forced to flee to in order to avoid jail.

I’m despising Bibi more and more.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 6:49:01am

fake…removed

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 6:49:05am

re: #390 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks. 1996-2007 maps precisely to my homeless period, when computer access was a bit problematic to me.

You know, I was sort of figuring all that might have been a factor based on your previous comments.

Another thing that I think exploded politics was Fox News started about the same time as the internet really breaking out. Again 1996.

Surely a deadly combination as the two mediums fueled on each other.

And guess what family still suffers all that.

The Clintons.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 6:49:28am

re: #394 Jay C

So, while Wolfgang’s advice is certainly on-point (and, unlike our idiot’s comments, diplomatic) - I have to wonder what the chances are that German companies actually will “wind down” any business in Iran?

What’s the leverage here? Starting a trade war with European countries if they don’t go along with The Donald’s Iran obsession?

From what I’ve seen, yes. Trump stated yesterday that if the other countries didn’t go along with the US, they would start feeling sanctions from US banks.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:49:29am

re: #384 Anymouse 🌹

<—- looks at 1914 Royal office typewriter which he regularly uses for village business and writing letters.

I found Word Perfect for the C-64 to be a pain, so I used either a pen or a typewriter much more often. All I’ve seen with “improvements” such as Microsoft Word is a piling on of features I don’t use.

I can fold a normal piece of paper as a letter to fit properly in a #4 envelope as well. Phhhhht.

I have handwriting as bad as my niece so pen is out of the question. MSWord is essential for firm operations too.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 6:49:57am

re: #396 MsJ

fake…removed

Fake. Grrrrr.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 6:50:21am
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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 6:51:26am

Touchy touchy…

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:51:48am

re: #396 MsJ

Jesus Fucking Christ.

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Never heard of Hoover have you Donald? Ironic since you, him, & Kevin McAlister stayed at the same hotel together but you probably thought he was the vacuum guy too. And yeah holy shit, he’s demented. He’s owed the same respect he shows the office which is notta a damn.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 6:52:20am

re: #394 Jay C

So, while Wolfgang’s advice is certainly on-point (and, unlike our idiot’s comments, diplomatic) - I have to wonder what the chances are that German companies actually will “wind down” any business in Iran?

What’s the leverage here? Starting a trade war with European countries if they don’t go along with The Donald’s Iran obsession?

That is what we are heading for: they have already threatened economic sanctions against people who continue to trade with Iran. We know that Russia and China will continue, and if Europe recognizes its own long-term interests, they will not deal with Trump.

Besides, why should they trust him to keep his word?

I do not want to push this analogy too far, but it would be like trusting Hitler after Munich…

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 6:52:29am

re: #402 MsJ

Touchy touchy…

Well, that certainly makes me think there’s nothing to see here, let’s move along, yada yada yada.

/

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 6:52:47am

re: #400 MsJ

Denald I see now but he does tweet like this.

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makeitstop  May 9, 2018 • 6:54:21am

No tweets this morning?

Hm.

Beautiful day here in New York. I wanna play hooky but can’t. Boo.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 6:54:46am

re: #402 MsJ

Touchy touchy…

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Looks like nerves are being touched. That means things are getting close to blowing up.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 6:55:21am

re: #407 makeitstop

No tweets this morning?

Hm.

Beautiful day here in New York. I wanna play hooky but can’t. Boo.

Maybe Fox&Friends isn’t singing his praises.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 6:55:37am

Twitter and social media took off about the time that print media went into decline, and they quickly figured out that they could save on staff by just getting some young kid to monitor the Internet for them.

And then people like Drudge, Breitbart and a lot of Russians figured out how to start floating things on the Internet that would get them picked up as legitimate news items.

And that is when a serious downward spiral began.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 6:58:39am

re: #407 makeitstop

No tweets this morning?

Hm.

Beautiful day here in New York. I wanna play hooky but can’t. Boo.

You mean he hasn’t strutted around yet making a big thing out of the three prisoners being released to Pompeo?

It will be soon.

By the way, I have not seen that mentioned yet here? Maybe I missed it. I am not looking forward to the news on that. It’s probably another pivot point in this week’s infrastructure week.

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Weaselone  May 9, 2018 • 6:59:51am

re: #398 Belafon

From what I’ve seen, yes. Trump stated yesterday that if the other countries didn’t go along with the US, they would start feeling sanctions from US banks.

I’m sure that US banks will love to lose all that business as foreign companies move their cash and business to avoid sanctions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 7:00:39am

re: #412 Weaselone

I’m sure that US banks will love to lose all that business as foreign companies move their cash and business to avoid sanctions.

Does he really think we have enough clout and leverage to take on the whole world in a trade war?

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 7:00:45am

re: #407 makeitstop

No tweets this morning?

Hm.

Beautiful day here in New York. I wanna play hooky but can’t. Boo.

Lots of tweets unfortunately.

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Jay C  May 9, 2018 • 7:02:20am

re: #404 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do not want to push this analogy too far, but it would be like trusting Hitler after Munich…

Actually, the (future) Allies DID trust Hitler after Munich: it wasn’t until after he had invaded/occupied/dismantled Czechoslovakia in May of 1939, that they finally realized that that trust had been misplaced, to put it mildly.
More precisely, they realized that the anti-German/ anti-Nazi critics had been right after all: but, in the way these things usually work out, said critics - with the possible exception of Churchill - were typically ignored. Especially after the war started….

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 7:02:34am

re: #414 JordanRules

Lots of tweets unfortunately.

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Yeah not much different from the fake one.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 7:02:43am

re: #413 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Does he really think we have enough clout and leverage to take on the whole world in a trade war?

no.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 7:03:07am

re: #414 JordanRules

Lots of tweets unfortunately.

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Oh so, Mike DeWine won the Ohio Governor seat already.

Piss off Donny. Ohio Democrats will be working hard to try to stop that.

Same goes for helping Sherrod Brown keep his Senate seat.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 7:04:33am
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Jay C  May 9, 2018 • 7:05:07am

re: #413 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Does he really think we have enough clout and leverage to take on the whole world in a trade war?

Disgusting/horrifyingly, probably yes.
After all, Trump HAS stated that trade wars are “easy to win”, and he wouldn’t lie to us, right?

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2018 • 7:05:16am

re: #404 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is what we are heading for: they have already threatened economic sanctions against people who continue to trade with Iran. We know that Russia and China will continue, and if Europe recognizes its own long-term interests, they will not deal with Trump.

Besides, why should they trust him to keep his word?

I do not want to push this analogy too far, but it would be like trusting Hitler after Munich…

If I were a European leader (a grand hypothetical) I would simply - and quite publicly - say “President Trump is an irrelevance; he has made himself so through his foolish bumbling and blatant incompetence.”

Also, yeah……I’d tell him right to his goddamn orange face at a WH press conference, too.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 7:05:35am

re: #419 Anymouse 🌹

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That would be too funny. I want Franklin Graham to try weasel his way out of that one.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 7:05:59am

re: #419 Anymouse 🌹

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This is very plausible.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 7:06:28am

re: #414 JordanRules

A Republican won in every primary they competed in.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 7:09:05am

re: #421 Dr Lizardo

If I were a European leader (a grand hypothetical) I would simply - and quite publicly - say “President Trump is an irrelevance; he has made himself so through his foolish bumbling and blatant incompetence.”

Also, yeah……I’d tell him right to his goddamn orange face at a WH press conference, too.

Lizardo for chancellor/prime minister/premier/president

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 7:09:26am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

That would be too funny. I want Franklin Graham to try weasel his way out of that one.

God works through flawed vessels and with mysterious ways, he forgives the sins of the truly repentant, &c.

Whether repentance actually occurred is immaterial, since it is a cornerstone of Christianity.

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Alephnaught  May 9, 2018 • 7:09:30am

So, if you work in a restaurant, you’ll soon be getting lots of calls from a spooky robot voice.

Example call to a hairdresser:

MP3 Audio

Another call to a restaurant. This doesn’t go exactly as expected.

MP3 Audio

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 7:09:41am

re: #419 Anymouse 🌹

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 7:10:22am

re: #420 Jay C

Disgusting/horrifyingly, probably yes.
After all, Trump HAS stated that trade wars are “easy to win”, and he wouldn’t lie to us, right?

I heard someone comment that Trump only cares about one thing.

That would be his immediate need for glory here in America with his base.

Apparently that means he is well prepared to ignore the rest of the world and all of our allies, etc.

So MAGA means make America great with praise to The Lord on High Donny Trump. In other words Make Donny Great Again.

Meanwhile the Republican Party seems to be fine with America in total isolation due to Trump.

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I cannot.  May 9, 2018 • 7:10:31am

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oh, and some more pleasant news about the economy involving things that go VROOM!

96 month auto loans are a thing…there can be no possible negative consequences…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 7:11:01am

re: #425 dangerman

Lizardo for chancellor/prime minister/premier/president

Go big or stay home. Absolute monarch.

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William Lewis  May 9, 2018 • 7:12:18am

I see KJU is playing Trump like Paganini on a Stradivarius fiddle… again.

npr.org

North Korea has released three Americans it had been holding captive, in a deal that was announced as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo ended his visit to the isolated country. They left the country with Pompeo and will arrive back in the U.S. early Thursday. President Trump says he will meet the group at the airport.

“President Trump appreciates leader Kim Jong Un’s action to release these American citizens, and views this as a positive gesture of goodwill,” the White House said in a statement. “The three Americans appear to be in good condition and were all able to walk on the plane without assistance.”

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 7:12:37am

re: #419 Anymouse 🌹

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If you believe, as I do, the Broidy $1.6m Playboy playmate payment which involved an abortion, was actually Trump’s….

And the RNC is paying Trump’s legal bills…..

Did poor unknowing evangelicals PAY FOR DONALD TRUMP’S ABORTION?

Money is fungible when it’s given to planned Parenthood
Not when it’s given to the RNC

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William Lewis  May 9, 2018 • 7:14:18am

re: #426 Anymouse 🌹

God works through flawed vessels and with mysterious ways, he forgives the sins of the truly repentant, &c.

Whether repentance actually occurred is immaterial, since it is a cornerstone of Christianity.

No. It is the cornerstone of the fundamentalist heresy. I realize you refuse to accept that there is a difference but it still exists. To repent means to change ones path; if you don’t, then you have not repented. Period.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 7:15:09am

re: #424 Belafon

A Republican won in every primary they competed in.

Talk about participation awards.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 7:16:27am

re: #435 MsJ

Talk about participation awards.

But the Democratic candidates killed it in their primaries too!

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 7:17:12am

re: #429 ObserverArt

I heard someone comment that Trump only cares about one thing.

That would be his immediate need for glory here in America with his base.

Apparently that means he is well prepared to ignore the rest of the world and all of our allies, etc.

So MAGA means make America great with praise to The Lord on High Donny Trump. In other words Make Donny Great Again.

Meanwhile the Republican Party seems to be fine with America in total isolation due to Trump.

he’s also playing an incredibly short-sighted game
liek with the republicans and judges
and the iran ‘deal’ etc
short term image and gain against long term much bigger losses

trump has no idea that while cultivating his day to day high media ‘image’, actual history is going to savage him mercilessly

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 7:18:22am

re: #430 I cannot.

Oh, and some more pleasant news about the economy involving things that go VROOM!

96 month auto loans are a thing…there can be no possible negative consequences…

It will hurt the car companies in the long run, because a lot of people will hold onto the car until they pay it off. It also means less trade in if the person tries to trade in for a new car if they haven’t paid it off. But wages aren’t keeping up with the change in the cost of cars.

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 7:18:30am

I’d love to have a Michael Cohen “Sez Who” ringtone.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 7:20:17am

re: #436 ObserverArt

But the Democratic candidates killed it in their primaries too!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 7:21:10am

re: #430 I cannot.

Oh, and some more pleasant news about the economy involving things that go VROOM!

96 month auto loans are a thing…there can be no possible negative consequences…

I seem to recall that one of the things that drove Detroit into bankruptcy (which Obama bailed them out over) was that their financing division collapsed over making too many bad loans.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 7:22:35am

re: #437 dangerman

he’s also playing an incredibly short-sighted game
liek with the republicans and judges
and the iran ‘deal’ etc
short term image and gain against long term much bigger losses

trump has no idea that while cultivating his day to day high media ‘image’, actual history is going to savage him mercilessly

It really seems he has no concern about actual real damage to this country and to the world in general.

Just as long as people talk about him…and kiss his ass while doing it.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2018 • 7:22:58am

re: #441 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I seem to recall that one of the things that drove Detroit into bankruptcy (which Obama bailed them out over) was that their financing division collapsed over making too many bad loans.

Automotive industry downsizing, followed by the housing crisis, followed by more downsizing & another housing crisis.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 7:24:40am
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I cannot.  May 9, 2018 • 7:26:39am

re: #438 Belafon

Yep, and the longer the loan, the more likely a default. Both through just the passage of time, and the people going for long terms like this are probably the ones in the worst shape financially.

Stupid Financial Tricks are usually a good warning sign that fecal matter is about to hit the rotary air impeller, like the “NINJA” loans before the mortgage crash. It’s been 9 years since the last recession, we have a moron in office, rising oil and interest rates, and Stupid Financial Tricks in the auto market.

Look out below.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 7:27:03am

Wonkette goes after the Bari Weiss article in the New York Times
How Long Do We Have To Listen To White Dudes Whine Before They Are Officially Uncensored?

The “dissidents” Weiss profiles include Sam “Atheism is for boys ONLY” Harris, Michael Shermer, Ben Shapiro, Eric Weinstein (a mathematician and managing director of Thiel Capital — Peter Thiel being a notorious friend of free speech) and some of his relatives, Jordan Peterson, Christina Hoff Sommers (who Weiss, once again, insists is a “feminist”), and Islam critics Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 7:27:19am

re: #441 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I seem to recall that one of the things that drove Detroit into bankruptcy (which Obama bailed them out over) was that their financing division collapsed over making too many bad loans.

GMAC.

Now Ally.

I think the car loans were shaky, but what really brought them down was when they expanded into home mortgages and got caught up in the whole 2000s mess.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 7:27:48am

“2:00 AM in the morning”

A 3rd grader has a better grasp on the English language than this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 7:28:31am

Also, a little late on this but how about Jon Cryer for Avenatti in the movie?

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 7:28:34am

Is it possible to pass a sausage wrap thru the nasal cavity? I think I just did.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 7:32:51am

re: #434 William Lewis

No. It is the cornerstone of the fundamentalist heresy. I realize you refuse to accept that there is a difference but it still exists. To repent means to change ones path; if you don’t, then you have not repented. Period.

And there’s the problem. Fundamentalists call others who believe essentially the same book as they, heretics. Catholics called Protestants heretics (and fought a thirty year war over it). Orthodox churches called Catholics heretics over the Nicene Creed.

Saying to me “well, that denomination is heretics” is a non-starter. They all think I’m a heretic.

For me, the problem isn’t thirty thousand Christian denominations all calling each other heretics. To each, 29,999 are wrong but they are right.

Repent to a Christian denomination means exactly what that denomination says it does. It is their faith, and faith is not based on evidence.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 7:41:37am

Time for breakfast, then bed.

Haute cuisine this morning: Swanson microwaved Swedish meatballs. I’ll probably add a significant dash of Spontaneous Combustion hot sauce to juice them up a bit.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 7:41:43am

re: #424 Belafon

A Republican won in every primary they competed in.

It’s true. Failing Dems couldn’t do anything to stop that!

/

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danarchy  May 9, 2018 • 7:41:44am

re: #451 Anymouse 🌹

Saying to me “well, that denomination is heretics” is a non-starter. They all think I’m a heretic.

Nah, you would be a heathen, a heretic would be a believer who believes wrong.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 7:44:23am

re: #414 JordanRules

Candace Owens of Turning Point USA is having a big impact on politics in our Country. She represents an ever expanding group of very smart “thinkers,” and it is wonderful to watch and hear the dialogue going on…so good for our Country!

— Donald J. Trump

Those words…I don’t think they mean what you think they mean.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 7:46:27am

re: #452 Anymouse 🌹

Time for breakfast, then bed.

Haute cuisine this morning: Swanson microwaved Swedish meatballs. I’ll probably add a significant dash of Spontaneous Combustion hot sauce to juice them up a bit.

I haven’t seen Swanson dinners for years! They only sell the “Hungry Man” carb bombs that require me to take an insulin shot before even looking at them…

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 7:47:40am

re: #414 JordanRules

Lots of tweets unfortunately.

Anybody notice how often Donny puts words like “thinkers” and “smart” in quotes or in ALL CAPS?

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 7:48:27am

Thread and articles.

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Ace-o-aces  May 9, 2018 • 7:49:31am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 7:50:01am

re: #451 Anymouse 🌹

And there’s the problem. Fundamentalists call others who believe essentially the same book as they, heretics. Catholics called Protestants heretics (and fought a thirty year war over it). Orthodox churches called Catholics heretics over the Nicene Creed.

Saying to me “well, that denomination is heretics” is a non-starter. They all think I’m a heretic.

For me, the problem isn’t thirty thousand Christian denominations all calling each other heretics. To each, 29,999 are wrong but they are right.

Repent to a Christian denomination means exactly what that denomination says it does. It is their faith, and faith is not based on evidence.

Reminds me of the Star Trek episode where people were absorbed into the Body of Landrew.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 7:53:03am

UK winning.

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Lupin  May 9, 2018 • 7:53:23am

The sad truth of the matter is that the incoming world of hurt that’s going to affect the US because of Tump’s “management” is going to hurt a lot of good people as well as those who deserve it for having voted for him & supporting him. I just don’t see how that can be avoided.

The US is as toxic to the world today as the USSR might have been (arguably) in the 1960s. And I have no doubt that the various backlashes will deeply hurt your country. I am really really sorry for all the good people who are going to get hurt.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 7:54:56am

re: #461 MsJ

UK winning.

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Make Britain Great Again!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 7:56:33am

re: #463 Eclectic Cyborg

Make Britain Great Again!

At least America can point out that a majority of voters did not support Trump, he just managed to game the system. The UK clearly voted for this clusterf*ck and still have no clear idea of how it is going to hurt them.

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Lupin  May 9, 2018 • 7:58:32am

re: #463 Eclectic Cyborg

Make Britain Great Again!

I do close to 100K euros/year business with a British digital printer; if they don’t stay in the CU that business will be redirected to a French-based printer. (Clearing books through customs to a non-EU country like Switzerland is a royal pain — and not free.) I don’t warrant an article in the press, but how many more businesses will do the same?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 7:59:15am

re: #465 Lupin

The answer you are looking for is: “Too many”

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Weaselone  May 9, 2018 • 8:00:18am

re: #462 Lupin

The sad truth of the matter is that the incoming world of hurt that’s going to affect the US because of Tump’s “management” is going to hurt a lot of good people as well as those who deserve it for having voted for him & supporting him. I just don’t see how that can be avoided.

The US is as toxic to the world today as the USSR might have been (arguably) in the 1960s. And I have no doubt that the various backlashes will deeply hurt your country. I am really really sorry for all the good people who are going to get hurt.

The pain isn’t likely to be one-sided.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 8:00:27am

re: #465 Lupin

I do close to 100K euros/year business with a British digital printer; if they don’t stay in the CU that business will be redirected to a French-based printer. (Clearing books through customs to a non-EU country like Switzerland is a royal pain — and not free.) I don’t warrant an article in the press, but how many more businesses will do the same?

Not to be a smart ass, but…

All of ‘em, Katie.

No company is going to pay more and create added logistical headaches for themselves. Not one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 8:00:47am

re: #465 Lupin

There are countless examples, and Rotterdam is a fine example, given the volume of trade that goes through there; in modern trade, especially groceries, speed is vital, and any delays caused by customs and paperwork are that much more expensive.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 8:01:31am

re: #466 Eclectic Cyborg

The answer you are looking for is: “Too many”

I disagree. When there is money involved in fees, tariffs, added personnel to deal with logistics, etc., etc., etc., you will see no companies do that (and survive).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 8:02:27am

re: #468 MsJ

Not to be a smart ass, but…

All of ‘em, Katie.

No company is going to pay more and create added logistical headaches for themselves. Not one.

except for a few special products like Barbour jackets or Scotch whiskey, people are going to look for alternatives.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2018 • 8:03:52am

re: #174 freetoken

His presentation is the Design argument all over again. He asserts some things about biological research that I am sure real biologists could take apart quickly.

I listened to about 4 minutes of that video you posted; he’s a sophist. His ID idea/argument that cells are engineered is poor logic at best; more like shitty reasoning. I see no reason to pay any more attention to a physicist pretending he understands biology than pay attention to a priest arguing the same.

To suggest that biblical/religious arguments (i.e., bronze age discussions) have any bearing on modern science is beyond fantastical. It’s sheer lunacy.

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Lupin  May 9, 2018 • 8:04:32am

re: #467 Weaselone

The pain isn’t likely to be one-sided.

I’m well aware of that.

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Lupin  May 9, 2018 • 8:10:13am

re: #468 MsJ

No company is going to pay more and create added logistical headaches for themselves. Not one.

I have to agree. I do about 1 shipment/week from the UK to France. Also to Belgium and more occasionally to Germany, Italy, and Spain — all in the Customs union. Usually using DHL, more rarely UPS. And I can compare my experience with shipping to Switzertland, which isn’t. I will not put myself through that. No customs union, 100,000 euros in business gone, like that, overnight. And reluctantly, I’ll add, for I have been very happy with my British printer since 2005. Needless to say, they’re quite concerned.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 8:11:11am

re: #472 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I listened to about 4 minutes of that video you posted; he’s a sophist. His ID idea/argument that cells are engineered is poor logic at best; more like shitty reasoning. I see no reason to pay any more attention to a physicist pretending he understands biology than pay attention to a priest arguing the same.

To suggest that biblical/religious arguments (i.e., bronze age discussions) have any bearing on modern science is beyond fantastical. It’s sheer lunacy.

humans plan things and then build them, nature builds and develops them as they go along. when we get to the age of self-replicating machines, we will probably adopt a similar approach.

of course there are lots of things in nature that seem as if they were planned in advance, but nature is constantly experimenting and tossing aside failed designs.

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 8:13:31am

One of my fucking Senators. The other is Mike Crapo.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 8:17:56am

from electoral-vote: trump ‘withdraws’ from iran deal, in the ‘medium-term’ section

Boeing and Airbus had both signed juicy contracts to help Iran rebuild its airplane fleet; they have been advised that those contracts will be nullified within 90 days. Boeing has already said that the loss of this business could kill as many as 100,000 jobs. Several carmakers, including Ford, were set to help overhaul Iran’s car market. That’s not going to happen, either. General Electric, several hotel developers, and several airlines are also expected to take a hit with the loss of the Iran market. This does not seem to mesh with Trump’s campaign promise of “jobs, jobs, jobs,” but perhaps he is using a new math that we are not aware of.

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Jay C  May 9, 2018 • 8:21:31am

re: #471 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

except for a few special products like Barbour jackets or Scotch whiskey, people are going to look for alternatives.

Well, IIRC, the Brexiteers “sold” the idea to the British public, that once “free” of EU economic “interference”, all of Britain was going to be the “alternative” economy for the ROW’s trade. Although the details of just how said “freedom” was actually going to work, i.e. how any economic benefits British interests might be able to work out outside the EU framework would offset the new problems with the EU that Brexit would/will inevitably entail - were, still are, and likely will be for the foreseeable future: vague and unspecific. Though replete with rosy optimistic predictions, naturally.

IMO, Britannia will find, after leaving what she saw as a bad marriage, that prostitution is the only viable alternative….

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 8:21:50am

re: #476 Bubblehead II

One of my fucking Senators. The other is Mike Crapo.

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I heard someone the other day (Barry McCaffrey if I remember correctly) say that Gina Haspel would make a good CIA head because she has the career and knowledge of how it all works.

All she needs to do, in his opinion, was to swear what happen in Iraq with torture was wrong and that we (USA) will never do it again.

Then she will walk right through the process and get the office.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 8:22:48am

re: #479 ObserverArt

I heard someone the other day (Barry McCaffrey if I remember correctly) say that Gina Haspel would make a good CIA head because she has the career and knowledge of how it all works.

All she needs to do, in his opinion, was to swear what happen in Iraq with torture was wrong and that we (USA) will never do it again.

Then she will walk right through the process and get the office.

She does have a solid background in the CIA but also presided over some very unsavory activities.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 8:23:58am

re: #480 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She does have a solid background in the CIA but also presided over some very unsavory activities.

Unsavory is being kind.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 8:28:39am

re: #480 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She does have a solid background in the CIA but also presided over some very unsavory activities.

re: #481 HappyWarrior

Unsavory is being kind.

No big deal. Just say: “Oops my bad” and all is forgiven.

Everyone gives the benefit of doubt to the United States, right?

Well maybe prior to say late 2001 and what all that caused thereafter. Then Obama patched some of that trust back together…and then…

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 8:29:19am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 8:34:41am

re: #470 MsJ

I disagree. When there is money involved in fees, tariffs, added personnel to deal with logistics, etc., etc., etc., you will see no companies do that (and survive).

That’s what I meant. Too many businesses will not want to bother doing business with the UK anymore and the British economy will get fucked up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 8:38:20am

I wonder different this would have turned out if Trump owned a few hotels in Iran?

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 8:38:35am

re: #474 Lupin

I have to agree. I do about 1 shipment/week from the UK to France. Also to Belgium and more occasionally to Germany, Italy, and Spain — all in the Customs union. Usually using DHL, more rarely UPS. And I can compare my experience with shipping to Switzertland, which isn’t. I will not put myself through that. No customs union, 100,000 euros in business gone, like that, overnight. And reluctantly, I’ll add, for I have been very happy with my British printer since 2005. Needless to say, they’re quite concerned.

I truly hope the UK fixes this mess. They need to do another referendum now that people have a better understanding of all the lies that got them to Yes to start with. And if it passes again, so be it. Buh bye UK.

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 8:39:53am

re: #479 ObserverArt

I heard someone the other day (Barry McCaffrey if I remember correctly) say that Gina Haspel would make a good CIA head because she has the career and knowledge of how it all works.

All she needs to do, in his opinion, was to swear what happen in Iraq with torture was wrong and that we (USA) will never do it again.

Then she will walk right through the process and get the office.

Sadly he is probably right.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 8:40:12am

re: #485 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder different this would have turned out if Trump owned a few hotels in Iran?

Iran is great okay. The Ayatollahs are great and just misunderstood.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 8:43:27am

re: #486 MsJ

I truly hope the UK fixes this mess. They need to do another referendum now that people have a better understanding of all the lies that got them to Yes to start with. And if it passes again, so be it. Buh bye UK.

And the issue of the internal border in Ireland is still unresolved. There is really no way that the EU will allow them to fudge on that one, that is the ultimate case of not thinking things through.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 8:45:01am

re: #483 Dave In Austin

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Ron Jeremy would be an improvement over President Shithead!

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Alephnaught  May 9, 2018 • 8:48:12am

re: #464 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At least America can point out that a majority of voters did not support Trump, he just managed to game the system. The UK clearly voted for this clusterf*ck and still have no clear idea of how it is going to hurt them.

Well, actually, a majority of Scottish voters voted to remain. As did a majority of North Ireland voters. And Londoners.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 8:49:45am

re: #491 Alephnaught

Well, actually, a majority of Scottish voters voted to remain. As did a majority of North Ireland voters. And Londoners.

yep, it was the Northern English Rust Belt that put Brexit over, just like America’s Rust Belt did it for Trump.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 8:53:05am

re: #491 Alephnaught

Well, actually, a majority of Scottish voters voted to remain. As did a majority of North Ireland voters. And Londoners.

Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin went for Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 8:53:07am

re: #491 Alephnaught

Well, actually, a majority of Scottish voters voted to remain. As did a majority of North Ireland voters. And Londoners.

Yep. Your countrymen and women’s response to Trump touting Brexit in Scotland was priceless. Made me proud of my small ties to your nation- my second great Nana was born and raised in Glasgow.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 8:54:34am

re: #362 JordanRules
These kids are smarter than you Sarah, don’t mess with them

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 8:56:38am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

Yep. Your countrymen and women’s response to Trump touting Brexit in Scotland was priceless. Made me proud of my small ties to your nation- my second great Nana was born and raised in Glasgow.

One of the reasons for Scotland voting to stay in the UK was that it would have excluded them from the EU with no guarantee of being taken in.

Have not heard any word on whether they are going to hold a new referendum.

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Alephnaught  May 9, 2018 • 9:01:18am

re: #493 Belafon

Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin went for Clinton.

Fair point, although I’d imagine the disparities of Scotland/London/Northern Ireland vs UK is not quite as big as Dallas/Houston/San Antonio/Austin vs Texas.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 9:01:58am

re: #493 Belafon

Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin went for Clinton.

Just like Columbus, Cleveland/Akron, Cincinnati and Toledo.

All blue spots against a Red State.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 9:03:07am

re: #498 ObserverArt

Just like Columbus, Cleveland/Akron, Cincinnati and Toledo.

All blue spots against a Red State.

It’s funny. I never thought Ohio was red. I thought it was purple if not light blue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 9:04:05am

re: #499 MsJ

It’s funny. I never thought Ohio was red. I thought it was purple if not light blue.

by all rights, it votes around 50-50 in most elections but is so heavily gerrymandered that it is a Red State in terms of representatives.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 9:06:40am

re: #498 ObserverArt

Just like Columbus, Cleveland/Akron, Cincinnati and Toledo.

All blue spots against a Red State.

Cities are great. Va’s urban areas prevent us from being red. Btw you’re purple not red.

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Weaselone  May 9, 2018 • 9:11:44am

re: #499 MsJ

It’s funny. I never thought Ohio was red. I thought it was purple if not light blue.

I do really hate this characterization. Cities are not solid blue. There are as many if not more Republican voters in urban areas than outside in most states. It also mischaracterizes rural areas, where you generally still have 20-30 percent pulling the lever for whatever Democrat steps up to run.

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stpaulbear  May 9, 2018 • 9:12:37am

the MN Department of Natural Resources has been sending out a newsletter that talks very plainly about how global climate change is affecting the state (and also puts it into a world context). I don’t think that this newsletter existed before Trump’s team started destroying every program that had anything to do with environmental protection. It might be a great newsletter to sign up your climate-change denying friends and relatives. It’s not overtly political, but it does present facts. Of course, if we ever have a republican governor again, this newsletter will get added to the list of destroyed resources.

Keeping Up With Change newsletter

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 9:12:49am

re: #499 MsJ

It’s funny. I never thought Ohio was red. I thought it was purple if not light blue.

I was just talking about those color indicator maps that are put out after elections.

All the counties the big Ohio cities are in are shown blue. The only other blue county not associated with a bigger city was Athens county, where Ohio University is in Athens the city.

You are correct, we are a swing state so purple normally. It’s always a political battle state.

The northern half (industrial rust belt areas) were traditionally Democratic. The southern half was always Republican.

Columbus in the center is back ‘n’ forth as it is the Capital and has state government, insurance and research, warehouse distribution along with a huge liberal university in Ohio State.

Trump managed to bullshit his way to winning this state by convincing too many of those rust belt folks he would be a change agent and bring back their jobs. Same as all the Appalachian areas of the eastern to Ohio River areas of the state the were the coal counties.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2018 • 9:16:49am

re: #498 ObserverArt

Just like Columbus, Cleveland/Akron, Cincinnati and Toledo.

All blue spots against a Red State.

All the places where people live, instead of cows.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 9:17:42am

re: #504 ObserverArt

This is a map of red vs. blue states but with the states shown proportionally to their population and not their physical size:

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 9:23:30am

Ron Jeremy 2020: At least you know up front you’re getting fucked.

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danarchy  May 9, 2018 • 9:23:43am

re: #506 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is a map of red vs. blue states but with the states shown proportional to their population and not their physical size:

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I think that map is a little outdated. Pretty sure Trump won a number of those “blue” states unfortunately.

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CongoJack  May 9, 2018 • 9:24:13am

re: #506 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

1. Indiana has that many people?
2. Indiana is blue?

This map looks based on (with no resources other than my addled brain) on the 2008 election.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 9:25:46am

re: #509 CongoJack

1. Indiana has that many people?
2. Indiana is blue?

This map looks based on (with no resources other than my addled brain) on the 2008 election.

Yep that’s 2008.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 9:29:56am

re: #495 gocart mozart

These kids are smarter than you Sarah, don’t mess with them

Half gov Sarah doesn’t have a thing to do her thing with.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 9:30:11am

re: #508 danarchy

I think that map is a little outdated. Pretty sure Trump won a number of those “blue” states unfortunately.

I think that was from 2008 or 2012…but it shows that a lot of “red country” is cows and prairieland

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 9:32:48am

LOL Um no.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 9:36:03am
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 9:37:51am
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 9:41:33am
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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 9:41:34am

Cool GIF but I don’t think Ryan is spineless, he is complicit

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 9:42:24am
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Eventual Carrion  May 9, 2018 • 9:43:11am

re: #277 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Produce or pharmacy aisle? Myself, I would put it in the cookie aisle.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 9:52:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 9:54:01am

re: #520 JordanRules

This is such an interesting map! When was your home country’s boarder defined?

My grandma ran off with the boarder staying in their house…that was my step grandpa.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 9:55:48am

re: #520 JordanRules

I would like to live in an age where borders exist for administrative purposes only: to define where you pay your taxes or register to vote, like state borders in the US.

Europe has come a step closer to that in recent decades.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 9:58:03am

re: #522 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would like to live in an age where borders exist for administrative purposes only: to define where you pay your taxes or register to vote, like state borders in the US.

Europe has come a step closer to that in recent decades.

The US has been doing it for a while.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 9:59:40am

re: #513 JordanRules

LOL Um no.

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Strange article. I guess he is saying he likes Kucinich ideas not Kucinich.

I like how he just blows by all of Kucinich’s craziness as if that doesn’t count.

It’s just like Bernieism. Great ideas but no figuring in how the person Bernie is going to pull it off. Does he have the political chops, the political following of others willing to back him (helps to be in the actual party) and all the leadership intangibles to make people listen and follow.

Ideas are good. But they don’t do anything if you can’t get any movement on them. Even Obama learned that lesson…maybe a bit too late to counter the resistance he ran into.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 10:01:20am

re: #523 Belafon

The US has been doing it for a while.

That is part of the background to the kerfuffle in the Crimea: it was historically always part of Russia, but it was “given” to the Ukraine by Khruschev for administrative purposes as it was pretty much physically isolated from the rest of the Russian federation.

That mattered little as long as everyone was a Soviet citizen but became a major issue with the dissolution of the USSR.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 10:09:42am

Extended long form version

Richard Spencer Punched for 10 Hours

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 10:11:00am

99.5K karma! Thank you all, folks, only 500 to go and I can take a break and stop posting so frantically….

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 10:11:22am

re: #526 gocart mozart

That’s the one you put on at the Friday nite house party with the sound turned down and the music cranked.

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Mattand  May 9, 2018 • 10:12:44am

re: #513 JordanRules

LOL Um no.

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If you need cheering up, read the replies. Slate and the article’s author are getting torched.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 10:12:52am

re: #515 JordanRules

We said to drain your swamp, not our swamp!

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Hecuba's daughter  May 9, 2018 • 10:14:34am

re: #527 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

99.5K karma! Thank you all, folks, only 500 to go and I can take a break and stop posting so frantically….

I am in awe of those who have reached or are about to reach 100K karma. I recently passed 10k and my odds of attaining that goal are pretty slim!

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Hecuba's daughter  May 9, 2018 • 10:17:46am

re: #517 gocart mozart

Cool GIF but I don’t think Ryan is spineless, he is complicit

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The whole GOP is complicit, at least those in Congress. There are certainly a few outside of Washington who are not Putin puppets and/or on the Trump train (or maybe on a Venn diagram, there is a 100% overlap).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 10:18:21am

re: #531 Hecuba’s daughter

I am in awe of those who have reached or are about to reach 100K karma. I recently passed 10k and my odds of attaining that goal are pretty slim!

I’ve been here over 10 years…I see that our buddy anymouse has managed that in only three years…

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 10:33:37am

re: #513 JordanRules

LOL Um no.

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Dude is 72 and has lost runs for three major offices. He’s not the future.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 10:35:09am

re: #524 ObserverArt

Strange article. I guess he is saying he likes Kucinich ideas not Kucinich.

I like how he just blows by all of Kucinich’s craziness as if that doesn’t count.

It’s just like Bernieism. Great ideas but no figuring in how the person Bernie is going to pull it off. Does he have the political chops, the political following of others willing to back him (helps to be in the actual party) and all the leadership intangibles to make people listen and follow.

Ideas are good. But they don’t do anything if you can’t get any movement on them. Even Obama learned that lesson…maybe a bit too late to counter the resistance he ran into.

Leadership is so much. I think part of leadership is surrounding yourself with capable people and Obama has done that where Sanders and Trump haven’t.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 10:35:58am

This will be my new favorite metaphor

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Hecuba's daughter  May 9, 2018 • 10:36:29am

re: #534 HappyWarrior

Dude is 72 and has lost runs for three major offices. He’s not the future.

He’s also part of the Putin brigade. The last time he had anything of value to sell the American public was during his time as mayor of Cleveland 40 years ago. It’s been all downhill since then - especially during this century.

— edit to correct grammar — one day I’ll learn to read carefully before posting!

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 10:37:55am

re: #537 Hecuba’s daughter

He’s also part of the Putin brigade. The last time he had anything of value to sell the American public was during his time as mayor of Cleveland 40 years ago. It’s be all downhill since then - especially during this century.

Yep.

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Alephnaught  May 9, 2018 • 10:43:16am

Further to my earlier post about that Google Duplex demo:

This actually addresses a few of the questions I was thinking when I saw this demo.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 10:44:03am

re: #513 JordanRules

LOL Um no.

The tweet doesn’t really quite match the article, which emphasizes only that Kucinich’s ideas/platform have become standard among most Democrats today, including some of those aiming for the presidency in 2020. The tweet makes it sound like the author thinks Kucinich himself is the future of the party.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 10:44:39am

Interesting thread. Now investigative journalists are digging.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 10:46:02am

re: #541 MsJ

I’ve acquired documents from the Hungarian company that wired Cohen $10,980 according to @MichaelAvenatti. It’s a bizarre situation. This will be a quick thread about what I’ve found thus far.]

Hungary: another authoritarian, xenophobic model state…

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Citizen K  May 9, 2018 • 10:46:41am
Someone oughta have a word…

What I wouldn’t give for a real Cap right now…

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 10:47:33am

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 10:48:43am

Meanwhile, on Hawaii. (a couple cool tweets, turn on the sound)

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 10:48:50am
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 10:50:56am

re: #540 Sir John Barron

The tweet doesn’t really quite match the article, which emphasizes only that Kucinich’s ideas/platform have become standard among most Democrats today, including some of those aiming for the presidency in 2020. The tweet makes it sound like the author thinks Kucinich himself is the future of the party.

Right. Horrible header in the tweet, but as ObserverArt notes his great ideas are accompanied by a lot of baggage and unelectibility. That’s not the future I see. So I vote no on the tweet and article.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 10:53:31am

re: #529 Mattand

If you need cheering up, read the replies. Slate and the article’s author are getting torched.

I’m just here for the ratio!

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 10:55:15am

re: #495 gocart mozart

These kids are smarter than you Sarah, don’t mess with them

Anti-Gun Parkland Activist Finally Comes to His Senses After School’s Cover-Up on Shooter Comes Out

sarah - that article literally doesnt say what you say it says

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 10:56:37am

re: #547 JordanRules

Right. Horrible header in the tweet, but as ObserverArt notes his great ideas are accompanied by a lot of baggage and unelectibility. That’s not the future I see. So I vote no on the tweet and article.

And Cordroy (sp) is pretty liberal, too, which the article also noted. So, why the article bothered pumping up Kucinich’s platform was a little peculiar.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 11:00:53am

re: #550 Sir John Barron

And Cordroy (sp) is pretty liberal, too, which the article also noted. So, why the article bothered pumping up Kucinich’s platform was a little peculiar.

Very peculiar. No Fox contributor and Putin apologist is gonna be the future of the Dems. It’s more absurd the more I think about it.

Stop trying to make fetch happen Slate!

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Weaselone  May 9, 2018 • 11:01:08am

re: #550 Sir John Barron

And Cordroy (sp) is pretty liberal, too, which the article also noted. So, why the article bothered pumping up Kucinich’s platform was a little peculiar.

Click-bait.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 9, 2018 • 11:05:48am

re: #551 JordanRules

Very peculiar. No Fox contributor and Putin apologist is gonna be the future of the Dems. It’s more absurd the more I think about it.

Stop trying to make fetch happen Slate!

The Berniecrats supported Kucinich but Bernie didn’t — I wonder if his concern was
1. Dennis couldn’t win so Bernie didn’t want a failure credited to him
2. It would make obvious that Bernie was a Putin puppet, like Jill and Trump.
3. Both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 11:13:15am

re: #436 ObserverArt

But the Democratic candidates killed it in their primaries too!

The Democrats actually did do that: they demolished the OurRevolution-pretending-to-be-Democrats candidates

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scottslemmons  May 9, 2018 • 11:22:11am

re: #543 Citizen K

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What I wouldn’t give for a real Cap right now…

No kidding, that’s one of my very favorite comic books. :)

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 11:27:51am

re: #531 Hecuba’s daughter

I am in awe of those who have reached or are about to reach 100K karma. I recently passed 10k and my odds of attaining that goal are pretty slim!

Your ratio of posts to karma points is good. Just keep posting.

Also a big help if you want to rack up points is to post tweets. A lot of the big karma point scorers get all the dings for popular tweets.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 11:29:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 11:30:50am

my surprise…

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 11:32:09am

re: #557 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So damn true.

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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 11:33:16am

And why would Cohen feel free to do this on his own?

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:34:06am

According to this diary, things went well for Progressive Democrats yesterday in West Virginia: dailykos.com. An unknown ran against Manchin and garnered 30% of the vote, which it seems was enough to scare him into trying to get a progressive outreach going.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 9, 2018 • 11:34:37am

re: #556 ObserverArt

Your ratio of posts to karma points is good. Just keep posting.

Also a big help if you want to rack up points is to post tweets. A lot of the big karma point scorers get all the dings for popular tweets.

Not on twitter — so no original tweets!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 11:34:48am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 11:36:15am

re: #561 Belafon

According to this diary, things went well for Progressive Democrats yesterday in West Virginia: dailykos.com. An unknown ran against Manchin and garnered 30% of the vote, which it seems was enough to scare him into trying to get a progressive outreach going.

I’m completely okay with this.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:36:29am

re: #543 Citizen K

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What I wouldn’t give for a real Cap right now…

What I wouldn’t give for more people that sound like the guy in the last pane.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:38:14am

re: #562 Hecuba’s daughter

Not on twitter — so no original tweets!

Your ratio is way higher than mine. I’ve been on for almost 6 years (in August). While Anymouse has been on half the time, he has a lot of comments.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:40:58am

re: #563 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s still a useful article. Most people don’t know that we ratified the UN treaty, and, by our Constitution, we are bound by decisions made there.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 11:42:16am

re: #562 Hecuba’s daughter

Not on twitter — so no original tweets!

Do what ‘mouse does…mine twitter links and post them here. He doesn’t have an account either.

I don’t have an account either. Photoshop images and linking news videos helps me.

Really though it doesn’t matter. Unless it matters…like to Wendell! : )

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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 11:43:23am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 11:44:28am

re: #569 jaunte

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A nuclear arms race in the ME? Sounds like what the Fundie zealots who love Trump dream of.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 11:44:56am

re: #560 jaunte

And why would Cohen feel free to do this on his own?

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How many years did Rod Blagoivich get? Cohen is looking at three times that number. He won’t see the outside of a prison cell ever again.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2018 • 11:45:27am

re: #562 Hecuba’s daughter

Not on twitter — so no original tweets!

Yoot Ube videos are good, too—animal videos especially. I was shocked when one got like 19 updings the other day….

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:46:43am

re: #570 HappyWarrior

A nuclear arms race in the ME? Sounds like what the Fundie zealots who love Trump dream of.

It does, but there are a lot of people that should scare and I think we should take the opportunity to scare. The Cold War was bad enough when the two major actors were rational. Countries with religious agendas with nukes (including us), that’s a scary thought.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 11:47:30am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 11:48:43am

re: #573 Belafon

It does, but there are a lot of people that should scare and I think we should take the opportunity to scare. The Cold War was bad enough when the two major actors were rational. Countries with religious agendas with nukes (including us), that’s a scary thought.

I know. That’s what disturbed me too. You’re right about the rational actors that existed in the Cold War. Deterrence and MAD requires both actors be rational and in this case, they’re not.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 11:51:03am

re: #543 Citizen K

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What I wouldn’t give for a real Cap right now…

There is an irony in Captain America’s origin story that I’m not sure ever really gets addressed… in response to the Nazis trying to create ubermensch, the US government went and created their own super soldier. His creation is really the antithesis of what America and the Allies were fighting for. It is only because of his internal moral strictures that he is a hero.

In a lot of ways, that is very much like Superman. The only thing that stops them from being villainous gods that conquer the country/world is a very particular view of American ideals. Perhaps that is why so many people like those characters (though I’ve always been team batman in the DC world and team Logan in Marvel).

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 11:52:56am

re: #576 KGxvi

There is an irony in Captain America’s origin story that I’m not sure ever really gets addressed… in response to the Nazis trying to create ubermensch, the US government went and created their own super soldier. His creation is really the antithesis of what America and the Allies were fighting for. It is only because of his internal moral strictures that he is a hero.

In a lot of ways, that is very much like Superman. The only thing that stops them from being villainous gods that conquer the country/world is a very particular view of American ideals. Perhaps that is why so many people like those characters (though I’ve always been team batman in the DC world and team Logan in Marvel).

I never thought about that. Interesting.


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