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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 8:48:15pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 8:49:18pm

re: #1 JordanRules

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Who’s Trump then? He’s not smart enough to be Jimmy the Gent or Henry or Tommy even.

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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 8:50:09pm

Did Russian money pay off Stormy? Russian money was the primary source of funding for many Drumpf deals, per Don Jr.

Did Cohen declare the money from his company in his tax returns in 2017? If he had 1.3 to 1.6 million dollars in input come in, what was the $4.5 million in total transactions related to?

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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 8:56:40pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 8:57:43pm

re: #4 jaunte

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He should have worn a gray suit and gotten mustard on a burger. That would have gotten FNC’s attention.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 8:59:54pm

re: #4 jaunte

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Now just imagine if Obama had committed ANY of the stunts pulled by President Asshole!

If he had done a single out of bounds act the Republicans would have impeached him within 60 seconds of committing that act.

But those same Republicans are giving Orange Foolius pass after pass. And I got to keep asking—What Kompromat does Putin have on Republicans?

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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 9:02:20pm

Extortionist-in-Chief

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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 9:02:56pm

re: #3 austin_blue

Did Russian money pay off Stormy? Russian money was the primary source of funding for many Drumpf deals, per Don Jr.

Did Cohen declare the money from his company in his tax returns in 2017? If he had 1.3 to 1.6 million dollars in input come in, what was the $4.5 million in total transactions related to?

The longer this goes on, the more it looks like a complex money laundering scheme.

Guess who is in the middle of this and benefits from it?

Yes, my friends, it is Donald J. Trump, the President of The United States of America.

For the Evangelicals out there, Jesus wept.

For the rest of us, Jeebuz fucking Christ, what a shit show! How fast can we get this fucking criminal and fucking con man out of the fucking White House?!?!

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teleskiguy  May 9, 2018 • 9:09:32pm

Giphy

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 9:15:41pm

re: #4 jaunte

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And this just reminded me that someone died from a fire in one of his buildings.
Maybe we don’t even have enough journos at this point.

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piratedan  May 9, 2018 • 9:21:43pm

re: #6 Joe Bacon 🌹

they are in cahoots…

seems that when we get down to what’s what….

Trump has been cultivated and is currently enthrall to Russia, or perhaps even Putin personally. The Russians/Putin did a masterful job in penetrating all kinds of aspects of the right wing in the US, the NRA, the evangelicals, the anti-abortionists, white supremacists, the RW media, the far left (Bernie Bros Brigade and Greens) and the GOP in general and all kinds of grifters and opportunists flocked to the opportunity.

As such, their money has bought and compromised damn near everyone and everything on the GOP side. The money leads everywhere. Trump has tied people to him, those personally with deep pockets who hold his markers, Mnuchin, DeVos, Chao are all strategic pieces that underpin him to the GOP that won’t dare to dislodge him because in doing so, they too will be exposed.

so, we wait for the courts and hope that the elections in 2018 are so overwhelming that the Russians can’t continue to put their thumbs on the scales…. if they can brazen that out, we’re on our way to a fascist state and possible civil war. If the Dems are able to wrestle power back, then it will begin the long slog to trying to restore a sense of being a nation of laws once again. It will be painful and for all we know, it may mean the death of both political parties and something new rising from the ashes with the hope that fascism and racism are driven back under their respective rocks once more.

at least that’s how I see it. Either the GOP becomes a de facto full blown fascist party, dissolves into madness, or they ascend to power atop the corruption that has placed them there. regardless, Putin likely gets a free hand for the next two-three years until the next Dem president assassinates his ass, provided we get to keep on having elections.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2018 • 9:23:29pm
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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 9:27:58pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

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Interesting. The actual prop for the Syrian government is Russia, not Iran. Iran is a tangential player, not a primary player like Russia, which is supporting the Assad regime with significant supporting arms like tactical and strategic bombers.

Seems like Israel is on Putin’s side in this deal by attacking the minor Iranian assets in Syria.

Hmmm… Is Drumpf supporting Putin by pulling out of the Iranian deal to decrease the Iranian influence in Syria? That might not be a bad thing, but it certainly helps the Russians.

Just spit-balling, here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2018 • 9:28:13pm
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Unshaken Defiance  May 9, 2018 • 9:28:59pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

Never mind nothing here, move along now…

Rockets Fly Over The Golan Heights As A Larger Conflict Between Israel and Iran Looms (Updated)
thedrive.com

Tons of video of missiles flying off to starburst at who knows what. A couple kilos of steel falling from 50,000 feet can ruin your whole day.

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TedStriker  May 9, 2018 • 9:31:49pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Who’s Trump then? He’s not smart enough to be Jimmy the Gent or Henry or Tommy even.

Morrie.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 9:33:00pm

re: #16 TedStriker

Morrie.

Yes!

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 9:35:28pm
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 9:44:03pm

re: #15 Unshaken Defiance

Never mind nothing here, move along now…

Tons of video of missiles flying off to starburst at who knows what. A couple kilos of steel falling from 50,000 feet can ruin your whole day.

It’s…a thing where so much of the general population here is still hella removed. And I don’t know how long that holds.

And there’s something particularly unnerving about this cycle given the new dynamics introduced in the last 48 hous.
Oh is this the start ——
Nope—-

Then you start again the next day.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 9, 2018 • 9:52:43pm

This cult has bean ground into oblivion.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 9, 2018 • 9:53:43pm

I propose everyone that votes for Gina Haspel be waterboarded. If they last more than 5 seconds, then they can submit their vote.

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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 10:13:28pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Well, that’s just bullshit. The Big Island is under a subsurface mantle plume that has built that archipelago for millions of years. As the Pacific plate has moved to the north and west, that magma jet has punched holes in the Pacific plate and created the islands that we now know as Hawaii.

Think of it as a subsurface oxyacetylene torch. It melts the rock above it and forces it to splash out onto the existing island above it, or builds a new one. When that island eventually moves away, it creates a new island. Oahu and Maui were created by the same jet that is active now.

The point is that the jet is melting mafic rock, which is what the sea bed and the mantle of the earth are made of. It is thus pushing mafic rock to the surface, which is happening right now.

There will be no catastrophic explosions in Hawaii.

This is not the rock that resulted in Krakatoa, Pinatubo, or Mt. St. Helens. That was continental rock that got plugged and then ruptured catastrophically. That doesn’t happen in a geological milieu like Hawaii.

This is just a mid-ocean volcanic island adding acreage. It’s just a normal geologic process.

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Kragar  May 9, 2018 • 10:17:24pm
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plansbandc  May 9, 2018 • 10:17:56pm

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 10:18:12pm

HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice
Kīlauea Volcano 8:02 a.m. HST
May 09, 2018
Volcano: Kīlauea (VNUM #332010)
Current Volcano Alert Level: WARNING
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE
Issued: Wednesday, May 9, 2018, 8:02 AM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawai’i

Volcanic Activity Summary: The steady lowering of the lava lake in “Overlook crater” within Halema’uma’u at the summit of Kīlauea Volcano has raised the potential for explosive eruptions in the coming weeks. If the lava column drops to the level of groundwater beneath Kīlauea Caldera, influx of water into the conduit could cause steam-driven explosions. Debris expelled during such explosions could impact the area surrounding Halema’uma’u and the Kīlauea summit. At this time, we cannot say with certainty that explosive activity will occur, how large the explosions could be, or how long such explosive activity could continue.

Residents of the Kīlauea summit area should learn about the hazards of ashfall, stay informed of the status of the volcano and area closures, and review family and business emergency plans.

Resource on volcanic ash hazards: volcanoes.usgs.gov

HAZARDS
Primary hazards of concern should this activity occur are ballistic projectiles and ashfall.

BALLISTIC PROJECTILES
During steam-driven explosions, ballistic blocks up to 2 m (yards) across could be thrown in all directions to a distance of 1 km (0.6 miles) or more. These blocks could weigh a few kilograms (pounds) to several tons.

Smaller (pebble-size) rocks could be sent several kilometers (miles) from Halema’uma’u, mostly in a downwind direction.

ASHFALL
Presently, during the drawdown of the lava column, rockfalls from the steep enclosing walls of the Overlook crater vent impact the lake and produce small ash clouds. These clouds are very dilute and result in dustings of ash (particles smaller than 2 mm) downwind.

Should steam-driven explosions begin, ash clouds will rise to greater elevations above ground. Minor ashfall could occur over much wider areas, even up to several tens of miles from Halema’uma’u. In 1924, ash may have reached as high as 20,000 feet above sea level. Small amounts of fine ash from these explosions fell over a wide area as far north as North Hilo (Hakalau), in lower Puna, and as far south as Waiohinu.

GAS
Gas emitted during steam-drive explosions will be mainly steam, but will include some sulfur dioxide (SO2) as well. Currently, SO2 emissions remain elevated.

WARNING TIME
Steam-driven explosions at volcanoes typically provide very little warning. Once the lava level reaches the groundwater elevation, onset of continuous ashy plumes or a sequence of violent steam-driven explosions may be the first sign that activity of concern has commenced.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 10:22:54pm

re: #22 austin_blue

Reading the USGS warning, I do not think they are predicting a Mt. St. Helens type eruption. It sounds to me like they think what up till now has been labeled “splatter” could get much more violent with much more mass expelled.

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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 10:29:36pm

re: #25 Single-handed sailor

HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice
Kīlauea Volcano 8:02 a.m. HST
May 09, 2018
Volcano: Kīlauea (VNUM #332010)
Current Volcano Alert Level: WARNING
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE
Issued: Wednesday, May 9, 2018, 8:02 AM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawai’i

Volcanic Activity Summary: The steady lowering of the lava lake in “Overlook crater” within Halema’uma’u at the summit of Kīlauea Volcano has raised the potential for explosive eruptions in the coming weeks. If the lava column drops to the level of groundwater beneath Kīlauea Caldera, influx of water into the conduit could cause steam-driven explosions. Debris expelled during such explosions could impact the area surrounding Halema’uma’u and the Kīlauea summit. At this time, we cannot say with certainty that explosive activity will occur, how large the explosions could be, or how long such explosive activity could continue.

Residents of the Kīlauea summit area should learn about the hazards of ashfall, stay informed of the status of the volcano and area closures, and review family and business emergency plans.

Resource on volcanic ash hazards: volcanoes.usgs.gov

HAZARDS
Primary hazards of concern should this activity occur are ballistic projectiles and ashfall.

BALLISTIC PROJECTILES
During steam-driven explosions, ballistic blocks up to 2 m (yards) across could be thrown in all directions to a distance of 1 km (0.6 miles) or more. These blocks could weigh a few kilograms (pounds) to several tons.

Smaller (pebble-size) rocks could be sent several kilometers (miles) from Halema’uma’u, mostly in a downwind direction.

ASHFALL
Presently, during the drawdown of the lava column, rockfalls from the steep enclosing walls of the Overlook crater vent impact the lake and produce small ash clouds. These clouds are very dilute and result in dustings of ash (particles smaller than 2 mm) downwind.

Should steam-driven explosions begin, ash clouds will rise to greater elevations above ground. Minor ashfall could occur over much wider areas, even up to several tens of miles from Halema’uma’u. In 1924, ash may have reached as high as 20,000 feet above sea level. Small amounts of fine ash from these explosions fell over a wide area as far north as North Hilo (Hakalau), in lower Puna, and as far south as Waiohinu.

GAS
Gas emitted during steam-drive explosions will be mainly steam, but will include some sulfur dioxide (SO2) as well. Currently, SO2 emissions remain elevated.

WARNING TIME
Steam-driven explosions at volcanoes typically provide very little warning. Once the lava level reaches the groundwater elevation, onset of continuous ashy plumes or a sequence of violent steam-driven explosions may be the first sign that activity of concern has commenced.

I didn’t say it wouldn’t suck to be nearby. I just said it wasn’t going to be Krakatoa.

Oh, and as for sulfur dioxide, if you can smell it, you need to run away. If you can’t smell it, it either means you are well away and safe or it has has increased to +/- 100 ppm in the atmosphere and it has shut down your ability to smell it. At 500 ppm you are unconscious. At 1000 ppm you are as dead as last week’s news.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 10:40:58pm

Sam Bee still killing it.

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austin_blue  May 9, 2018 • 10:54:56pm

And, I’m off to bed. Sweet scaly dreams to the Lizard Nation. Talk to you tomorrow.

Be best!

Yes can!

Si Puede!

What a load of bullshit.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 10:56:46pm

Trump White House quietly cancels NASA research verifying greenhouse gas cuts

You can’t manage what you don’t measure. The adage is especially relevant for climate-warming greenhouse gases, which are crucial to manage—and challenging to measure. In recent years, though, satellite and aircraft instruments have begun monitoring carbon dioxide and methane remotely, and NASA’s Carbon Monitoring System (CMS), a $10-million-a-year research line, has helped stitch together observations of sources and sinks into high-resolution models of the planet’s flows of carbon. Now, President Donald Trump’s administration has quietly killed the CMS, Science has learned.

sciencemag.org

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wheat-dogg  May 9, 2018 • 11:00:06pm

re: #27 austin_blue

If you can’t smell it, then either you’re OK or you’ll soon be dead. Charming.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 11:00:33pm

re: #30 JordanRules

Trump explicitly picked someone to head NASA who denies anthropogenic climate change.

This is just one of Trump’s minor sins , among his catalog of disasters.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 9, 2018 • 11:03:08pm

this is fine

Israel’s military carried out strikes against Iranian targets in Syria after it said Iranian forces based there fired rockets at its soldiers in the Golan Heights, raising the risk of a wider regional war just a day after President Donald Trump withdrew the U.S. from the international nuclear deal with Tehran.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 11:06:28pm

re: #24 plansbandc

the problem is not so much the distressed white ladies calling 9/11 over “suspicious” negroes, it is the police showing up in full SWAT gear with out even bothering to assess the situation on the ground…

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 11:14:59pm

re: #32 freetoken

Trump explicitly picked someone to head NASA who denies anthropogenic climate change.

This is just one of Trump’s minor sins , among his catalog of disasters.

Yeah. It’s chaos everywhere in every department.

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Jay C  May 9, 2018 • 11:15:54pm

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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This cult has bean ground into oblivion.

But membership still has a few perks…..

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teleskiguy  May 9, 2018 • 11:22:19pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 11:26:28pm

re: #32 freetoken

Trump explicitly picked someone to head NASA who denies anthropogenic climate change.

They deny that the climate is changing at all, that is just a conspiracy.

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Teukka  May 9, 2018 • 11:32:28pm

re: #38 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They deny that the climate is changing at all, that is just a conspiracy.

A conspiracee to taek awai or freedumbs! They belive whateva de Iluminati/Rotschilds/Sorous/UN/whateva tells them!

Like, I do not want to believe in ACC. However, the facts speak loudly, we are by far the most likely culprit for the undeniable CO2 increase and corresponding temperature rise. We fucking need to stop defecating in our own nest.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 11:39:45pm

re: #39 Teukka

A conspiracee to taek awai or freedumbs! They belive whateva de Iluminati/Rotschilds/Sorous/UN/whateva tells them!

Like, I do not want to believe in ACC. However, the facts speak loudly, we are by far the most likely culprit for the undeniable CO2 increase and corresponding temperature rise. We fucking need to stop defecating in our own nest.

I seem to recall a lot of ACC debates here when I first joined about ten years ago, those seem to have calmed down.

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Ace-o-aces  May 9, 2018 • 11:40:10pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 11:42:22pm

Who did Putin invite to be with him at the Victory Day military parade? Rouhani, Assad, Erdogan? Nope, Netanyahu. And, this is less than 24 hours after Israel strikes its partner in Syria, Iran. Putin really knows how to spin the Middle East+Netanyahu isn’t too bad at it either.

Axis of evil indeed

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 11:54:08pm

The make-up corn-holing is fantastic I hear.

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 11:58:50pm
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Teukka  May 10, 2018 • 12:11:05am
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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 12:17:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 12:26:36am

“Leave the EU to embrace the world” is just a lovely way to say “Leave the EU to stick its head up its ass”

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 12:27:47am
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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 12:28:29am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 1:08:08am

Today in stupid conservative memes… .

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 1:09:37am

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹

”#” will always be octothorp to me.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 1:12:57am

re: #51 freetoken

”#” will always be octothorp to me.

I’d heard that used for the “number sign” before, but didn’t know the source of octothorpe.

So I went and looked it up, and got this:

Stories abound about who first called the # sign an “octothorpe” (which can also be spelled “octothorp”). Most of those tales link the name to various telephone workers in the 1960s, and all claim the “octo-” part refers to the eight points on the symbol, but the “thorpe” remains a mystery. One story links it to a telephone company employee who happened to burp while talking about the symbol with co-workers. Another relates it to the athlete Jim Thorpe, and a third claims it derives from an Old English word for “village.” If the plethora of theories leaves your head spinning, you might want to take the advice of the wag who asked (poetically), “Can we simply just say, / Ere it spoils your day, / It’s the thorp between seven and nine?”

merriam-webster.com

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 1:16:10am

re: #52 Anymouse 🌹

english.stackexchange.com

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 1:19:11am

The final episode of Cunk on Britain is as biting as the rest:

Cunk on Britain Ep 5

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ericblair  May 10, 2018 • 1:21:35am

re: #13 austin_blue

Interesting. The actual prop for the Syrian government is Russia, not Iran. Iran is a tangential player, not a primary player like Russia, which is supporting the Assad regime with significant supporting arms like tactical and strategic bombers.

Seems like Israel is on Putin’s side in this deal by attacking the minor Iranian assets in Syria.

Hmmm… Is Drumpf supporting Putin by pulling out of the Iranian deal to decrease the Iranian influence in Syria? That might not be a bad thing, but it certainly helps the Russians.

Just spit-balling, here.

I don’t think this is right. Russia’s goal is to be a SUPERPOWER, by being the hegemon in the Mideast that everyone has to bow to to get what they need there. Putin has (stupidly) staked Russian credibility on al Assad. Al Assad, being a nasty clever murdering asshole, can then do whatever he wants and have Russia back him up, otherwise Russia looks bad. Iran is doing a lot of the groundwork in Syria to expand their own influence, which naturally pissed off Israel.

The thing is, Russia has shown they don’t have any control over what happens in Syria. No enough reliable forces, no coherent plan. Nobody, including Israel, wants a direct conflict with Russian forces, so they deconflict. Israel just tells Russia we’re bombing Iranian positions, and makes sure no Russians are in the way. Russia says, er, ok, because Israel is going to do it one way or the other and if Russia objected they’d look powerless when Israel did what they wanted anyway.

Of course, now Russia’s got a bit of a problem with hanging out Iran to dry, but Putin isn’t a real great strategic planner.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 1:25:37am

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹

Today in stupid conservative memes… .

vzNTFzOCO1FPa0GEUQmNKAq39j134Sh1GK2v30w3OI6gzwGqSNMYhNSusou7hxtMgA407BlZe+oznG2Wi1X3MN3UonBgU7Nx+YnAYvlbJ6MXFTLQ3V14G4AZuQyRA/SflxgT987BH7iE4t3K8P0bA0hJC0ODYFyaV3jWSQdbU1RKdpxRFhAyZSe7aBzfIGZ8x8EJHDepYcef+hPHq/V+uK3WMj3hHYi07+zYN9V61nQMK0Cfl4RHz/PCUxBqHbYBv1sFACPznkoGofLWczT8aA9U52Wq5xgjk1W/f1TI3hxrs0EMnijkujWMnoOWIAkIeaWTxAXv38sGiWo4sp6MzoyBsymgAZxt

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 1:34:05am

re: #53 freetoken

english.stackexchange.com

Thanks. The entomology of the word “octothorpe” is one one of those useless pieces of trivia that’s fun to while away hours of discussion about (if you’re really boring like I am).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 1:40:17am

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks. The entomology of the word “octothorpe” is one one of those useless pieces of trivia that’s fun to while away hours of discussion about (if you’re really boring like I am).

I assumed “octothorpe” was a cephalopod who won the decathalon…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 2:24:27am

Gaa. Last month I was having endless problems with Office 2016, specifically crashing and saying it was unlicensed.

After days of squabbling with Microsoft, they fixed the problem.

Today I got a Windows update. Wouldn’t you know, Office 2016 is back to the same problem (unlicensed product, crash boom).

My typewriter is 104 years old. It hasn’t broken yet. Why do I fiddle with Office?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 10, 2018 • 3:04:53am

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

*WHACK*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 3:11:45am

re: #60 Colère Tueur de Lapin

*WHACK*

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This cult has bean ground into oblivion.

Not true, there are still the Cappuchino monks

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LastYearsMan  May 10, 2018 • 3:25:43am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not true, there are still the Cappuchino monks

I read about them in that Eco book, The Name of the Roast.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 3:32:11am

re: #62 LastYearsMan

I read about them in that Eco book, The Name of the Roast.

Coffee is provided immediately after matins.

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Patricia Kayden  May 10, 2018 • 3:48:56am

re: #21 GlutenFreeJesus

I propose everyone that votes for Gina Haspel be waterboarded. If they last more than 5 seconds, then they can submit their vote.

Starting with Manchin. Cannot stand him.

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Dr Lizardo  May 10, 2018 • 4:13:59am

re: #43 Single-handed sailor

“Cornhole tournament”?

I think I need a drink.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 5:01:33am

re: #43 Single-handed sailor

The make-up corn-holing is fantastic I hear.

OK, so what is corn-holing, or a corn-hole tournament?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 5:03:32am

Wiki tells us:

Cornhole or bean bag toss (also known regionally as baggo, bags, sack toss, or bean sack) is a lawn game in which players take turns throwing bags of corn (or bean bags) at a raised platform with a hole in the far end. A bag in the hole scores 3 points, while one on the platform scores 1 point. Play continues until a team or player reaches (or exceeds) the score of 21.

I know it as a bean bag toss.

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Teukka  May 10, 2018 • 5:03:53am

So this question arose in a chat I’m in:
How big was Cohen’s cut of the Trump Pay-for-Play scheme?
My reflex was to cite his previous stiffing of contractors and say 0%. Am I just too cynical?

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 5:05:48am

Shocking news here in Maryland: Democratic Gubernatorial candidate Kevin Kamenetz, 60, died suddenly last night of cardiac arrest. He was serving his second term as Baltimore County Executive.

baltimoresun.com

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Dr Lizardo  May 10, 2018 • 5:07:11am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Wiki tells us:

Cornhole or bean bag toss (also known regionally as baggo, bags, sack toss, or bean sack) is a lawn game in which players take turns throwing bags of corn (or bean bags) at a raised platform with a hole in the far end. A bag in the hole scores 3 points, while one on the platform scores 1 point. Play continues until a team or player reaches (or exceeds) the score of 21.

I know it as a bean bag toss.

Same here. However, I now also know that if I hit the target, I can say “Right in the cornhole!!” and it’d be totally appropriate.

Good to know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 5:09:16am

re: #68 Teukka

So this question arose in a chat I’m in:
How big was Cohen’s cut of the Trump Pay-for-Play scheme?
My reflex was to cite his previous stiffing of contractors and say 0%. Am I just too cynical?

He was pocketing a chunk of it in cash paid separately and up front, delivered in brown paper bags: he knows who he is doing business with

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:13:59am

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 5:15:37am
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jeffreyw  May 10, 2018 • 5:16:09am

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Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 5:16:14am

re: #72 MsJ

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:17:15am

re: #66 Sir John Barron

OK, so what is corn-holing, or a corn-hole tournament?

I had to look it up. It’s a bean bag toss.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 5:18:30am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

They were in the best gulag, just really terrific accommodations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 5:20:16am

re: #77 Sir John Barron

They were in the best gulag, just really terrific accommodations.

/

I thought Trump did not like people who spent time in prison camps…

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:20:54am

re: #68 Teukka

So this question arose in a chat I’m in:
How big was Cohen’s cut of the Trump Pay-for-Play scheme?
My reflex was to cite his previous stiffing of contractors and say 0%. Am I just too cynical?

I’m starting to get a bad feeling that Cohen was a putz all on his own. Until we see the outlay of those financial transactions, it’s just another trump related scandal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 5:22:05am
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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 5:22:32am

All this talk about cornholes, and no one has posted this yet?

THE GREAT CORNHOLIO

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 5:23:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 5:24:04am

Pretty incredible. VP tells jonkarl one of the freed detainees asked to go outside the plane during the refueling stop in Anchorage because he hadn’t seen daylight in such a long time.


CahnEmily
Trump said that Kim Kong Un treated the detainees “excellent.”

Waiting to hear how Huckabee Sanders reconciles these statements

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Shropshire Slasher  May 10, 2018 • 5:24:13am

re: #43 Single-handed sailor

Corn-holing always had a different meaning to me…

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:25:31am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:26:57am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pretty incredible. VP tells jonkarl one of the freed detainees asked to go outside the plane during the refueling stop in Anchorage because he hadn’t seen daylight in such a long time.

CahnEmily
Trump said that Kim Kong Un treated the detainees “excellent.”

Waiting to hear how Huckabee Sanders reconciles these statements

If anyone asks. Which they won’t.

And if they do, she’ll lie. As usual.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 5:27:33am

re: #85 MsJ

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:27:46am

re: #84 Shropshire Slasher

Corn-holing always had a different meaning to me…

INORITE? I kept thinking “what the hell kind of contest is this???”

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:29:15am

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 5:29:18am

re: #85 MsJ

Some old jokes don’t translate well into the future, and if you have explain the joke, it’s already a flop.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:30:35am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

Some old jokes don’t translate well into the future, and if you have explain the joke, it’s already a flop.

You always have to explain a joke to someone.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 10, 2018 • 5:31:55am

re: #88 MsJ

Now there are corn-holing teams, and tournaments. I, I just, I. I dunno.
Have an old commercial

Wendy’s - Soviet Fashion Show Ad

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Shropshire Slasher  May 10, 2018 • 5:36:51am

I remember a commercial about an elevator rides and first floor bathing suits, etc. but I cant find it. Have some Aerosmith

Aerosmith - Love In An Elevator

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 5:37:21am

re: #90 wheat-dogg

Some old jokes don’t translate well into the future, and if you have explain the joke, it’s already a flop.

I do pre-humor

“Take my wife or I hit you with club”

“Homonid come to me say he not have bite for three days. So I give him food”

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 5:38:23am

re: #91 MsJ

You always have to explain a joke to someone.

It never ceases to amaze me how shows like Two Broke Girls or The Big Bang Theory are so popular in China. I’m not sure Chinese viewers would get half the jokes, even with subtitles. Many jokes are culture-specific, time-specific and language-specific. I’m pretty sure a Brit would get more of Monty Python’s quips than a Yank would, for example.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 5:43:12am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I do pre-humor

“Take my wife or I hit you with club”

“Homonid come to me say he not have bite for three days. So I give him food”

There is a Gary Larson cartoon for every occasion.

Image: Zog.jpg

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 5:45:20am

re: #95 wheat-dogg

It never ceases to amaze me how shows like Two Broke Girls or The Big Bang Theory are so popular in China. I’m not sure Chinese viewers would get half the jokes, even with subtitles. Many jokes are culture-specific, time-specific and language-specific. I’m pretty sure a Brit would get more of Monty Python’s quips than a Yank would, for example.

Within culture as well. Some jokes are really smart, meaning you have to understand the background reference which a lot of people don’t. Some comedians (and at one time Dennis Miller, who had some great writers) had some great bits that required a good amount of intelligence.

A great example of some really great, multi-level humor was that animated film Inside Out. Jokes for kids and jokes for adults.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 5:46:09am

re: #95 wheat-dogg

It never ceases to amaze me how shows like Two Broke Girls or The Big Bang Theory are so popular in China. I’m not sure Chinese viewers would get half the jokes, even with subtitles.

I think it is the lifestyle that they admire

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 5:47:59am

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 5:50:45am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think it is the lifestyle that they admire

That’s part of it, for sure. The women among my students really admire the protagonists of Two Broke Girls for their outspoken independence. And they even admire Sheldon Cooper for his intellect (and looks). I’m not sure how many realize Jim Parsons is gay.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 5:55:50am

It’s interesting how humor is in certain cultures. My range is pretty big. As childish as it sounds, I’ll still laugh at a poop joke but I also like surreal and weird humor i.e, what if Hitler came back and became a sensation (whole German book and mockumentary about that very subject) but also dark, I liked Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri and In Bruges is my favorite comedy of the 2000’s.

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2018 • 5:56:30am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Morning Joe just showed a side-by-side of Pence with Nixon: “one year,” “we’ve cooperated fully,” “time to wrap it up.” Almost verbatim.

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2018 • 5:57:56am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think it is the lifestyle that they admire

“Sex and the City” used to be very popular there, too.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:06:43am
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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:08:31am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think it is the lifestyle that they admire

America was and still is the country people want to be. Trump is working hard to change that, though.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:09:53am

re: #104 Belafon

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You could stop feeding their narrative by acting as if their opponents who won aren’t progressive. And Cordray unlike Dennis never praised Assad or Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 6:10:06am

re: #105 Belafon

America was and still is the country people want to be. Trump is working hard to change that, though.

And unfortunately he’s succeeding more often than not.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 6:11:52am

re: #103 Barefoot Grin

“Sex and the City” used to be very popular there, too.

But in a more underground way. My students clearly have watched SATC, but it’s not something they would volunteer in class, especially in a mixed class with men and women.

Traditional Chinese culture is still very prudish, and sexist. The idea that unmarried women are running around NYC trying to get laid, but not necessarily to get married, would be “un-harmonious.”

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Shropshire Slasher  May 10, 2018 • 6:14:19am

re: #104 Belafon

The Democrats should get a coherent message together instead of being the party of “hate Trump”

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2018 • 6:14:44am

re: #108 wheat-dogg

But in a more underground way. My students clearly have watched SATC, but it’s not something they would volunteer in class, especially in a mixed class with men and women.

Traditional Chinese culture is still very prudish, and sexist. The idea that unmarried women are running around NYC trying to get laid, but not necessarily to get married, would be “un-harmonious.”

That makes sense. I think I read that it was about the fashion and fancy apartments more than the promiscuity.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:15:13am

I have watched a sum total of two partial episodes of Sex and the City and did not find it funny in any way. But I also didn’t find Seinfeld very funny (I have seen two of those, as well). I actually find few comedy series funny. Most I think are just stupid. Maybe it says more about me than anything else.

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sagehen  May 10, 2018 • 6:15:20am

re: #79 MsJ

I’m starting to get a bad feeling that Cohen was a putz all on his own. Until we see the outlay of those financial transactions, it’s just another trump related scandal.

Cohen was a putz all on his own.
Manafort colluded with Russia all on his own.
Flynn sold US foreign policy to Turkey all on his own.
Kushner sold green cards to Chinese people, or Qatari blockades to the Saudis, all on his own.
Various cabinet members sold specific policies to specific industries all on their own.

Trump is going to think he’s been “cleared, proved innocent”, when it’s proven that he’s totally ignorant about everything and everyone and had zero idea how any of his sycophants were using him to enrich themselves. Wingnut media will think they’re defending him when they declare “see, he’s just an idiot, he hired a bunch of crooks who used his name and power for themselves.”

But his ignorant racist fans… aren’t so ignorant this won’t diminish him in their eyes. Their support will drastically weaken.

At which point, the emoluments violations will be the one thing that he can’t deny is totally his.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:15:24am

re: #108 wheat-dogg

But in a more underground way. My students clearly have watched SATC, but it’s not something they would volunteer in class, especially in a mixed class with men and women.

Traditional Chinese culture is still very prudish, and sexist. The idea that unmarried women are running around NYC trying to get laid, but not necessarily to get married, would be “un-harmonious.”

Do you foresee that changing or is it something too ingrained in Chinese culture? I’ve actually met a few clients, Iranian immigrant women who have kept their maiden name.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 6:16:03am

re: #110 Barefoot Grin

That makes sense. I think I read that it was about the fashion and fancy apartments more than the promiscuity.

Oh, of course! And modern Chinese have certainly adopted the lavish lifestyles, if not the promiscuity.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:16:28am

re: #111 MsJ

I have watched a sum total of two partial episodes of Sex and the City and did not find it funny in any way. But I also didn’t find Seinfeld very funny (I have seen two of those, as well). I actually find few comedy series funny. Most I think are just stupid. Maybe it says more about me than anything else.

Comedy is subjective like music is. There’s nothing wrong with you. Unless you like Adam Sandler movies.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:18:03am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

The Democrats should get a coherent message together instead of being the party of “hate Trump”

1. Works so far.
2. Here’s our actual message: We want to keep and improve the ACA, or replace it with Medicare for all; we think taxes on the rich should be higher; we should spend more on education and not as much on defense; we’re a nation of immigrants, we should be taking care of them; hate doesn’t belong here. Guess what? That’s all anti-Trump.

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Weaselone  May 10, 2018 • 6:18:46am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

The Democrats should get a coherent message together instead of being the party of “hate Trump”

I’m OK with trolling, but this just isn’t up to your usual standards. Do better.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:18:56am

re: #112 sagehen

At which point, the emoluments violations will be the one thing that he can’t deny is totally his.

Who enforces that? We see that no republicans will do anything. Paul Ryan backed up Nunes yesterday. So we know Congress will not act. Then what?

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:19:16am

Our message is anti-Trump because Trump was elected entirely because he was anti-everything Democrats stand for.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:20:04am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Do you foresee that changing or is it something too ingrained in Chinese culture? I’ve actually met a few clients, Iranian immigrant women who have kept their maiden name.

Iran used to be a pretty open society. Women were “allowed” to do a lot of things, until, well, we kinda fucked it up.

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austin_blue  May 10, 2018 • 6:20:25am

re: #31 wheat-dogg

If you can’t smell it, then either you’re OK or you’ll soon be dead. Charming.

That’s about right.

Death is nature’s way of telling you something’s wrong.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:20:58am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Comedy is subjective like music is. There’s nothing wrong with you. Unless you like Adam Sandler movies.

I thought we were discussing comedy? ;-)

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makeitstop  May 10, 2018 • 6:22:03am

re: #117 Weaselone

I’m OK with trolling, but this just isn’t up to your usual standards. Do better. Be best.

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2018 • 6:22:12am

re: #117 Weaselone

I’m OK with trolling, but this just isn’t up to your usual standards. Do better.

Greg Sargent at WaPo has had several articles in the last few days refuting the “Dems have no message” argument. He’s cited candidate after candidate that rarely mention Trump and focus instead on healthcare, higher wages, the environment, and in some cases, gun control.

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Weaselone  May 10, 2018 • 6:23:06am

re: #119 Belafon

Our message is anti-Trump because Trump was elected entirely because he was anti-everything Democrats stand for.

It’s not even that. Nancy Pelosi gave an interview in the last couple days where she spelled out the Democrat’s agenda and pushed back against the idea of running on impeachment.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 10, 2018 • 6:24:54am

re: #117 Weaselone

I also get the distinct feeling that the Democrats have already written off 2018, and they are looking to 2020. Maybe they will have a message by then.

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makeitstop  May 10, 2018 • 6:25:11am

How low will these thugs go? (Rhetorical question.)

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:25:31am

re: #125 Weaselone

It’s not even that. Nancy Pelosi gave an interview in the last couple days where she spelled out the Democrat’s agenda and pushed back against the idea of running on impeachment.

I agree. I was trying to imply something like this:

Democrats: We think everyone deserves health care, an education, food, and a roof over their heads. We think immigrants should be taken care of, and minorities deserve to be treated as equals.
GOP Voters: Waaah. What about us whites?! Hey, this Trump guy opposes all of it. We’ll vote for him.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:26:37am

re: #126 Shropshire Slasher

I also get the distinct feeling that the Democrats have already written off 2018, and they are looking to 2020. Maybe they will have a message by then.

Yeah, which is exactly why Beto O’Rourke is outraising not only Cruz, but Cruz plus his PACs.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:26:40am

re: #120 MsJ

Iran used to be a pretty open society. Women were “allowed” to do a lot of things, until, well, we kinda fucked it up.

In the cities anyhow but yeah. It was just surprising but in a good way. I’ve gotten to know many Iranians since we have a lot of clients from there. Got a good laugh one day when one guy saw me taking notes and realized I was a lefty like he is. Plus I like that their New Year is the first day of Spring. I love the symbolism behind that rather than having the new year begin in the dead of Winter.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:28:36am

re: #129 Belafon

Yeah, which is exactly why Beto O’Rourke is outraising not only Cruz, but Cruz plus his PACs.

Or why we have a very competitive primary here in Va-10 and why TN’s Senate looks winnable. And yes we are anti Trump for the exact reasons you said. Pretty funny since Trump owes his entire political existence to anti Obama and Clinton sentiments.

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makeitstop  May 10, 2018 • 6:29:51am

re: #126 Shropshire Slasher

I also get the distinct feeling that the Democrats have already written off 2018, and they are looking to 2020. Maybe they will have a message by then.

The graveyard, you’re whistling past it.

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Bubblehead II  May 10, 2018 • 6:30:22am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

The Democrats should get a coherent message together instead of being the party of “hate Trump”

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:31:10am

re: #125 Weaselone

It’s not even that. Nancy Pelosi gave an interview in the last couple days where she spelled out the Democrat’s agenda and pushed back against the idea of running on impeachment.

The whole idea we’re just anti Trump comes from the same people who think Trump tells it as is and that he’s a skilled businessman.

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sagehen  May 10, 2018 • 6:33:51am

re: #118 MsJ

Who enforces that? We see that no republicans will do anything. Paul Ryan backed up Nunes yesterday. So we know Congress will not act. Then what?

By next January, Paul Ryan won’t be Speaker anymore.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:34:33am

re: #126 Shropshire Slasher

Dude, go away. Just go away. Your trolling is boring.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 6:34:34am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

The Democrats should get a coherent message together instead of being the party of “hate Trump”

all we ever heard about in the press from Hillary was her e-mails and when she said something negative about trump. we never heard anything about what she had to offer.

and while the press was waiting for trump to appear and showing and empty podium, hillary was giving a speech on better job opportunities for the handicapped.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 6:34:45am

re: #118 MsJ

Who enforces that? We see that no republicans will do anything. Paul Ryan backed up Nunes yesterday. So we know Congress will not act. Then what?

Next—Franky Graham Cracker and his fellow Pulpit Pimps tell the marks that God’s Anointed King over us can do no wrong. And the marks will reply in church by chanting “Lock Her Up” for a half hour.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:35:31am

re: #127 makeitstop

How low will these thugs go? (Rhetorical question.)

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They have five children together and this is how a family friend (the newspaper) treats her.

And apparently donny jr is dating some Fox personality. Weeeee.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:35:41am

re: #136 MsJ

Dude, go away. Just go away. Your trolling is boring.

The fact that he reappeared after Schneiderman gave his whole shtick away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 6:36:50am

re: #111 MsJ

I have watched a sum total of two partial episodes of Sex and the City and did not find it funny in any way. But I also didn’t find Seinfeld very funny (I have seen two of those, as well). I actually find few comedy series funny. Most I think are just stupid. Maybe it says more about me than anything else.

I watched an episode once out of curiosity and cultural masochism: my opinion of the women is that they were witty and attractive but there was nothing about them that anyone could fall in love with: no depth, no art or poetry in them.

but that is my personal taste in women. if they do not sing to my soul they can look as beautiful as they want and I will not be more than superficially attracted to them

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Shropshire Slasher  May 10, 2018 • 6:37:17am

re: #140 Belafon

Its the same echo chamber it has always been. Saying the same things before the 2016 election, and everyone here was wrong.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 6:37:50am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Do you foresee that changing or is it something too ingrained in Chinese culture? I’ve actually met a few clients, Iranian immigrant women who have kept their maiden name.

It is changing, but it will take at least another generation or two for it to become widespread. For one thing, traditional culture puts great emphasis on family and hometown connections (and face), so the idea that your children may not want to marry and have kids, or that they are gay or lesbian, puts a lot of unwanted pressure on parents. People around them will assume the parents were failures in teaching “filial piety” to their kids, and in small towns and villages, might even shun those families. Another aspect is (for women) to remain virgins until they meet The One (or until the parents arrange for one). Traditional Chinese men don’t want someone else’s woman, divorced or otherwise. Parents drum it into their girls’ heads to remain virgins until they are at least engaged. However, many engagements happen soon after the consummation, and I’ve been to several Chinese weddings where the woman was “showing” but there was no shame associated with it.

Young people, of course, do a lot of stuff their parents never learn about. That’s a universal human behavior.

For another thing, the government really likes to push Confucian ideals of filial piety, obedience to authority, and devotion to the community (and not the self). You can probably understand why. So, being free in one’s sexual choices and behavior, or postponing or avoiding marriage, are elevated to being unpatriotic.

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Barefoot Grin  May 10, 2018 • 6:39:04am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 6:39:29am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I personally feel you have to give Seinfeld more than two episodes to make a determination on it. Also, start on Season 2 or higher. The first one wasn’t so great.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 6:39:34am

re: #143 wheat-dogg

For another thing, the government really likes to push Confucian ideals of filial piety, obedience to authority, and devotion to the community (and not the self). You can probably understand why. So, being free in one’s sexual choices and behavior, or postponing or avoiding marriage, are elevated to being unpatriotic.

Change “Confucian ideals” to “Christian family values” and you have the America that Mike Pence wants to return us to

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Dave In Austin  May 10, 2018 • 6:41:02am

re: #142 Shropshire Slasher

Its the same echo chamber it has always been. Saying the same things before the 2016 election, and everyone here was wrong.

Please define “Wrong”. We’re waiting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 6:41:19am

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

I personally feel you have to give Seinfeld more than two episodes to make a determination on it. Also, start on Season 2 or higher. The first one wasn’t so great.

I was talking about Sex and the City. I watched one episode of Seinfeld and had no interest in watching another.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 6:43:26am

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I watched an episode once out of curiosity and cultural masochism: my opinion of the women is that they were witty and attractive but there was nothing about them that anyone could fall in love with: no depth, no art or poetry in them.

Having watched only episode, too, I wonder if that was the subtext to the whole series. They were the female versions of shallow dudes trolling the bars hoping to score.

Another thing I never got was how Sarah Jessica Parker became some kind of sex symbol. YMMV.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:43:28am

re: #147 Dave In Austin

Please define “Wrong”. We’re waiting.

That one’s easy: Trump is president. Now, the fact that he won with without coming anywhere close to the popular vote is an issue they ignore, which is why Trump and Co are burning down the house before they have to leave.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 6:44:58am

re: #149 wheat-dogg

Having watched only episode, too, I wonder if that was the subtext to the whole series. They were the female versions of shallow dudes trolling the bars hoping to score.

Another thing I never got was how Sarah Jessica Parker became some kind of sex symbol. YMMV.

Agreed. I was always more into Kim Catrall.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:45:09am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 6:45:19am

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:46:06am

re: #147 Dave In Austin

Please define “Wrong”. We’re waiting.

Narrator: Actually…not waiting.

//

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 6:48:01am

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

I personally feel you have to give Seinfeld more than two episodes to make a determination on it. Also, start on Season 2 or higher. The first one wasn’t so great.

Seinfeld is about the weird habits and behaviors of one’s friends and neighbors, who all live in New York City. It makes total sense to New Yorkers, but probably would take some getting used if you’re not from NYC.

That said, I’m from New York and and I never found the show especially appealing. Will & Grace, though, was much funnier.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:49:07am

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed. I was always more into Kim Catrall.

And I liked Cynthia Nixon.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2018 • 6:49:42am

re: #149 wheat-dogg

Having watched only episode, too, I wonder if that was the subtext to the whole series. They were the female versions of shallow dudes trolling the bars hoping to score.

Another thing I never got was how Sarah Jessica Parker became some kind of sex symbol. YMMV.

The only one of the women on Sex and the City that I find attractive was Kristin Davis, but the show was unwatchable….

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:50:17am

Have I mentioned that I love Andy (Ellen DeGeneres’ exec producer)?

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 6:50:42am

re: #156 Belafon

And I liked Cynthia Nixon.

I heard tell that the principals have pretty much nixed reprising the show, because they really don’t like each other much anymore.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:52:07am

The best fact about Kim Catrall was she was in Porky’s.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 6:54:50am

re: #160 Belafon

The best fact about Kim Catrall was she was in Porky’s.

And she played a Vulcan.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:54:53am

From the folks that radicalized republicans.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 6:56:59am

re: #162 MsJ

Indeed. How wonderful that Will and Rubin have come to realize a year on what Hillary and the Democrats were saying back in 2016.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:57:35am

re: #162 MsJ

From the folks that radicalized republicans.

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I appreciate that Jen and Will criticize Pence too. Too many anti Trump conservatives are willing to absolve Pence.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:57:46am

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:59:51am

re: #165 MsJ

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I hate this about our system. That this one man through one check can have more impact than 100 individuals.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 6:59:55am

I like Jerry’s Netflix series where he driving a different classic car to a friend’s house then they go out for coffee and chat.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:00:42am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I hate this about our system. That this one man through one check can have more impact than 100 individuals.

Pocket change for this asshole.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 7:01:16am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I hate this about our system. That this one man through one check can have more impact than 100 individuals.

And the ACLU continues to say that money is free speech…

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 7:01:49am

re: #168 MsJ

Pocket change for this asshole.

Exactly.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:02:54am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I hate this about our system. That this one man through one check can have more impact than 100 individuals.

Remember the money they threw at Pennsylvania?

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 7:03:04am

re: #169 Joe Bacon 🌹

And the ACLU continues to say that money is free speech…

Yeah, I really really disagree with them on this. I love the ACLU but this isn’t a free speech issue, this is s giving more power to select individuals issue to influence politicians to do their bidding.

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wheat-dogg  May 10, 2018 • 7:03:13am

re: #167 Joe Bacon 🌹

I like Jerry’s Netflix series where he driving a different classic car to a friend’s house then they go out for coffee and chat.

My fave is when he comes to the White House, and the guards tell him and Obama they are not allowed off the grounds.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 7:09:24am

Here he goes again!

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:11:24am

To sum it up…

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:13:08am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 7:15:13am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I hate this about our system. That this one man through one check can have more impact than 100 individuals.

Yep. Fuck Citizens United.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 7:16:49am

re: #175 MsJ

We never talked to Russia

We talked to Russia, but never about the election

Some low level staffers talked to Russia about the election

The campaign leadership team talked to Russia to get dirt on Hillary

And Trump’s lawyer took 500K from a firm linked to a Russian oligarch

they pay people not to talk

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steve_davis  May 10, 2018 • 7:23:04am

re: #14 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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cross section of me, monday night, including the blockage and lava lake. when it finally erupted, the front door opened and closed and I looked out the bathroom window to see my dog driving off in the Hyundai. Found out later he’d gotten a room at the Ramada on my American Express. Apparently they’re not good about matching cards and faces.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 7:36:27am

re: #175 MsJ

To sum it up…

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Eventually I think they’ll admit but say that it had to be done to “stop Hillary” and FNC will push that as acceptable on their idiotic viewers.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:39:09am

Has anyone watched Hard Sun? It’s on Hulu in the states.

I watched the first one and thought it was pretty good. Rotten Tomatoes wasn’t overly kind. It’s from the people who made Luther.

If you’ve watched it, what did you think?

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 7:50:41am

re: #181 MsJ

Has anyone watched Hard Sun? It’s on Hulu in the states.

I watched the first one and thought it was pretty good. Rotten Tomatoes wasn’t overly kind. It’s from the people who made Luther.

If you’ve watched it, what did you think?

Haven’t heard of it but I did recently get Hulu so I’ll check it out.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:50:53am

I find this so infuriating. From the guy who trimmed, trained and helped give us Palin. Glad they’re on board but, really.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 7:52:20am

re: #175 MsJ

To sum it up…

No collusion! It was about adoptions! So what it was about dirt on Hillary, Anybody would have taken that meeting!

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 7:52:56am

re: #183 MsJ

I find this so infuriating. From the guy who trimmed, trained and helped give us Palin. Glad they’re on board but, really.

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I see it from both sides. In one way, I’m like yeah where the hell were you dude and you gave us Palin. But in another way, I appreciate that Schmidt a lifetime Republican operative sees how fucked up this administration is, and in yet another I can’t help but to feel they’re most worried about Trump hurting the reputation of their party/ideology more so than the country.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 7:54:44am

re: #64 Patricia Kayden

Starting with Manchin. Cannot stand him.

But Manchin is infinitely better than any Republican who would replace him. And that’s likely to be the result if a “Bernie-style” progressive wins the D nomination for the state.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:55:07am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

(I know I got to this analogy quite often, but I still think it applies) Stalin was primarily worried about what Germany was doing to his country, especially since he originally negotiated a non-Aggression pact. It was still necessary to bring him on board to defeat Hitler.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 7:56:04am

re: #187 Belafon

(I know I got to this analogy quite often, but I still think it applies) Stalin was primarily worried about what Germany was doing to his country, especially since he originally negotiated a non-Aggression pact. It was still necessary to bring him on board to defeat Hitler.

It does, yes.

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piratedan  May 10, 2018 • 7:56:06am

re: #184 Sir John Barron

you see, the dirt on Hillary was to unmask that she was attempting to get Russian orphans for use in their Pizzagate Ring and that was the dirt that the Clinton staffer was killed for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

and we had to get that information to the American public!

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:56:26am

re: #186 Hecuba’s daughter

But Manchin is infinitely better than any Republican who would replace him. And that’s likely to be the result if a “Bernie-style” progressive wins the D nomination for the state.

Manchin’s the conservative wing of the Democratic party. If we could get above the Republican noise machine, it would make a great argument for pulling those people out of the GOP that would like a sane party.

Edit: And after the GOP is in tatters, the conserva-Dems can go off and create a new party, and us liberals can be frustrated again but at least we’d have an opposition party for a while.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:00:06am

As relatively sane GOPers like McCain exit, more are replaced by people much worse. That’s the problem with the GOP. There are few to if any at all forward thinkers in that party. Just a bunch of reactionaries who have no desire to compromise on anything and who are increasingly radical on the issues of the day. I remember when an anti-abortion without exceptions Republican was a rarity. Now it’s the norm.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 8:00:31am

re: #190 Belafon

I worry that another Bernie Sanders/Jill Stein is going to show up and fuck things up in the 2020 election.

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Dr. Matt  May 10, 2018 • 8:00:41am

Mark Levin suggests war with Iran is inevitable​

Lather.Rinse.Repeat.

Uneducated white trash elect a moron GOP president who is easily manipulated by blood thirsty “pro-life” neocons who get sexually aroused by war.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 8:01:11am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

As relatively sane GOPers like McCain exit, more are replaced by people much worse. That’s the problem with the GOP. There are few to if any at all forward thinkers in that party. Just a bunch of reactionaries who have no desire to compromise on anything and who are increasingly radical on the issues of the day. I remember when an anti-abortion without exceptions Republican was a rarity. Now it’s the norm.

They have 30% of the electorate nailed down no matter how far right they go. They are not about to give up on that.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:01:47am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They have 30% of the electorate nailed down no matter how far right they go. They are not about to give up on that.

Right.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:02:50am

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

I worry that another Bernie Sanders/Jill Stein is going to show up and fuck things up in the 2020 election.

That’s why I hope if Sanders runs in 2020, he gets some attacks from the left. Not just on his gun record but on immigration and other issues as well. Lefties need to know that Bernie isn’t much better on immigration than many Republicans.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 10, 2018 • 8:04:50am

re: #181 MsJ

Has anyone watched Hard Sun? It’s on Hulu in the states.

I watched the first one and thought it was pretty good. Rotten Tomatoes wasn’t overly kind. It’s from the people who made Luther.

If you’ve watched it, what did you think?

I like it enough that I’m pacing myself, because there are only six episodes. I’ve seen through episode 5.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 8:05:41am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Who’s Trump then? He’s not smart enough to be Jimmy the Gent or Henry or Tommy even.

Tommy works… ill tempered, thinks he’s finally in, gets got.

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Bubblehead II  May 10, 2018 • 8:05:46am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

That’s why I hope if Sanders runs in 2020, he gets some attacks from the left. Not just on his gun record but on immigration and other issues as well. Lefties need to know that Bernie isn’t much better on immigration than many Republicans.

And if he tries to again run as a Democrat, the DNC not only tells him no, but FUCK NO!

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 8:06:07am

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

I worry that another Bernie Sanders/Jill Stein is going to show up and fuck things up in the 2020 election.

I think the results in West Virginia’s primaries Tuesday show that the Bernie wing is having much less of an impact. I don’t know how many Bernie supporters have switched their votes (also, I think a lot of them were misogynists), but a whole lot of people have decided that the games have to end, and are getting out to vote. I think that will carry through at least 2020.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 8:07:35am

re: #200 Belafon

I think the results in West Virginia’s primaries Tuesday show that the Bernie wing is having much less of an impact. I don’t know how many Bernie supporters have switched their votes (also, I think a lot of them were misogynists), but a whole lot of people have decided that the games have to end, and are getting out to vote. I think that will carry through at least 2020.

He will need the support of a lot of rodent copulators to match his results in 2016. But expect them to be active.

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plansbandc  May 10, 2018 • 8:07:48am

re: #167 Joe Bacon 🌹

Me too. Never cared for his stand up or his show, but “Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee” is highly entertaining. It’s a funny and insightful show. Jerry is very funny when hes with funny people.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:08:49am

re: #197 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I like it enough that I’m pacing myself, because there are only six episodes. I’ve seen through episode 5.

I have to watch on the installment plan. It’s on Bravo up here.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 8:08:50am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

The Democrats should get a coherent message together instead of being the party of “hate Trump”

Just can’t help yourself can you.

By the way, I know wingnut TV and radio keeps messages short for the ignorant to follow, but they always keep the message you are parroting too short.

It should be “instead of being the party of ‘hate Trump’ because of what he is doing to this country.”

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:09:44am

re: #202 plansbandc

Me too. Never cared for his stand up or his show, but “Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee” is highly entertaining. It’s a funny and insightful show. Jerry is very funny when hes with funny people.

Which is why he did well with Jason Alexander and Julia Louis-Dreyfus. I liked Seinfeld though but I don’t really like Jerry himself much. Just seems a bit obnoxious and full of himself and his whining about the current generation of kids grates at me a bit because I think older people totally misunderstand this current generation of yougn people.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:09:47am

re: #200 Belafon

I think the results in West Virginia’s primaries Tuesday show that the Bernie wing is having much less of an impact. I don’t know how many Bernie supporters have switched their votes (also, I think a lot of them were misogynists), but a whole lot of people have decided that the games have to end, and are getting out to vote. I think that will carry through at least 2020.

It’s the combination of ratfucking, gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement that we have to worry about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 8:10:55am

re: #202 plansbandc

Me too. Never cared for his stand up or his show, but “Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee” is highly entertaining. It’s a funny and insightful show. Jerry is very funny when hes with funny people.

A buddy of mine used to be in charge of entertainment at the Student Union at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff. He says that they once booked a young up-and-comic named Jerry Seinfeld.

After the show he offered to take him out to see the town, but Jerry declined, saying that he had to go home and work on the pilot for a new sitcom, to which my buddy thought “Well, the last thing we need is another sitcom!”…

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:11:32am

re: #199 Bubblehead II

And if he tries to again run as a Democrat, the DNC not only tells him no, but FUCK NO!

Hope so. A campaign friend of mine who likes Bernie asked me what I thought about a potential Bernie run in 2020 and I told him that I thought it would be a bad idea. I was diplomatic about Bernie since I know he likes him and he in fact being a college aged kid was inspired to get into progressive politics because of Bernie but he’s also more pragmatic and I wouldn’t call him a Bernie Bro at all, rather someone who supported Bernie.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:13:09am

So trump apparently tweeted that he’s meeting with Kim Jong Un on the 12th of June.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:14:32am

re: #200 Belafon

I think the results in West Virginia’s primaries Tuesday show that the Bernie wing is having much less of an impact. I don’t know how many Bernie supporters have switched their votes (also, I think a lot of them were misogynists), but a whole lot of people have decided that the games have to end, and are getting out to vote. I think that will carry through at least 2020.

Bernie’s problem to me is he doesn’t have any real leadership skills. He chooses his horses largely based on how they backed him in 2016. He doesn’t surround himself with capable people like Obama did. Whereas Obama had the Daves- Plouffe and Axelrod among others, Bernie has comic book guy Jeff, Tad of Russia, and others. I just imagine a hypothetical Sanders campaign just being a bunch of people who agree with Bernie’s agenda rather than the best possible minds we could have at that position. Even if you like all Bernie’s ideas, there’s so much more to the presidency than that.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 8:14:33am

re: #13 austin_blue

Interesting. The actual prop for the Syrian government is Russia, not Iran. Iran is a tangential player, not a primary player like Russia, which is supporting the Assad regime with significant supporting arms like tactical and strategic bombers.

Seems like Israel is on Putin’s side in this deal by attacking the minor Iranian assets in Syria.

Hmmm… Is Drumpf supporting Putin by pulling out of the Iranian deal to decrease the Iranian influence in Syria? That might not be a bad thing, but it certainly helps the Russians.

Just spit-balling, here.

If that’s the “plan” it’s a shit plan. That’s like staging a bank robbery so your buddy can do a smash and grab at the pizza place next door without being noticed. It makes no sense and you’re going to get more heat for the distraction than your partner would ever have got from the “real job.”

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 8:15:20am

re: #124 Barefoot Grin

Greg Sargent at WaPo has had several articles in the last few days refuting the “Dems have no message” argument. He’s cited candidate after candidate that rarely mention Trump and focus instead on healthcare, higher wages, the environment, and in some cases, gun control.

I think that is what Tom Perez is trying to control. There is no need to talk about Trump, those that hate him already know it and why. Pound on what Democratic politicians can do to fix things…stay on message.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 8:18:26am

re: #200 Belafon

I think the results in West Virginia’s primaries Tuesday show that the Bernie wing is having much less of an impact. I don’t know how many Bernie supporters have switched their votes (also, I think a lot of them were misogynists), but a whole lot of people have decided that the games have to end, and are getting out to vote. I think that will carry through at least 2020.

The people who voted for Bernie in the WV primary, voted for the yam in the general.
And they flat out admitted that the only reason they voted for Bernie was so Hillary wouldn’t win.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 8:19:05am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A buddy of mine used to be in charge of entertainment at the Student Union at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff. He says that they once booked a young up-and-comic named Jerry Seinfeld.

After the show he offered to take him out to see the town, but Jerry declined, saying that he had to go home and work on the pilot for a new sitcom, to which my buddy thought “Well, the last thing we need is another sitcom!”…

And that sitcom was about nothing.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 8:21:48am

re: #200 Belafon

I think the results in West Virginia’s primaries Tuesday show that the Bernie wing is having much less of an impact. I don’t know how many Bernie supporters have switched their votes (also, I think a lot of them were misogynists), but a whole lot of people have decided that the games have to end, and are getting out to vote. I think that will carry through at least 2020.

I wonder how many of the Bernie Bros were also PUMAs. A lot of similarities between those groups, at least in the way they acted. Though, perhaps motivated by different things.

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Eventual Carrion  May 10, 2018 • 8:24:52am

re: #142 Shropshire Slasher

Its the same echo chamber it has always been. Saying the same things before the 2016 election, and everyone here was wrong.

So maybe it wasn’t so much being Anti-tRump that screwed the 2016 election. Maybe it was outside influenced hatred of Hill and bullshit, manufactured exaltation of the Orange numbnuts.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 8:25:20am
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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 8:29:00am
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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 8:30:18am

re: #217 JordanRules

This is one of those things about diplomacy that Trump (and most/all of his team) doesn’t understand: words mean different things to different people. When we say “denuclearization” we mean that North Korea abandon and destroy it’s nuclear weapons program. When North Korea says “denuclearization” they mean that they’ll get rid of their bomb when the US removes its nuclear umbrella and abandons its mutual protection pact with South Korea. If those are the only terms that North Korea will accept, then we won’t have a deal because significantly increasing the odds of war on the peninsula is not in anyone’s interest (except maybe the Russians who will enjoy seeing US and Chinese resources being spent)

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 8:35:34am

re: #193 Dr. Matt

Mark Levin suggests war with Iran is inevitable​

Lather.Rinse.Repeat.

Uneducated white trash elect a moron GOP president who is easily manipulated by blood thirsty “pro-life” neocons who get sexually aroused by war.

Trump supporters may be white trash but the ones I know are educated: they tend to be in at least one of the following categories:
1. racist
2. anti-abortion fanatic
3. Netanyahu acolyte
4. Bernie-Bro.
5. Believer in the Stephen Moore school of economics

Most are also followers of one of the many RW faux type news : Breitbart, Faux News itself, Gingrich news letter etc.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:35:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 8:36:03am

re: #219 KGxvi

This is one of those things about diplomacy that Trump (and most/all of his team) doesn’t understand: words mean different things to different people. When we say “denuclearization” we mean that North Korea abandon and destroy it’s nuclear weapons program. When North Korea says “denuclearization” they mean that they’ll get rid of their bomb when the US removes its nuclear umbrella and abandons its mutual protection pact with South Korea. If those are the only terms that North Korea will accept, then we won’t have a deal because significantly increasing the odds of war on the peninsula is not in anyone’s interest (except maybe the Russians who will enjoy seeing US and Chinese resources being spent)

North Korea can still trash a good part of the south just using conventional weapons.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 8:37:43am

re: #218 JordanRules

Senator Cryin’ Chuck Schumer fought hard against the Bad Iran Deal, even going at it with President Obama, & then Voted AGAINST it! Now he says I should not have terminated the deal

It’s almost as if someone can oppose a treaty or major piece of legislation, but then after it is agreed to, want to keep it in place because it is a better option than obstructing it or withdrawing from it just to own the libs.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 8:39:46am

re: #219 KGxvi

This is one of those things about diplomacy that Trump (and most/all of his team) doesn’t understand: words mean different things to different people. When we say “denuclearization” we mean that North Korea abandon and destroy it’s nuclear weapons program. When North Korea says “denuclearization” they mean that they’ll get rid of their bomb when the US removes its nuclear umbrella and abandons its mutual protection pact with South Korea. If those are the only terms that North Korea will accept, then we won’t have a deal because significantly increasing the odds of war on the peninsula is not in anyone’s interest (except maybe the Russians who will enjoy seeing US and Chinese resources being spent)

Used to be confident we could recover quickly from diplomatic blunders. Now not so much.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:41:22am

re: #218 JordanRules

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Or maybe he saw that that deal was working and he changed his mind you fuckwit.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:41:43am

re: #223 Sir John Barron

It’s almost as if someone can oppose a treaty or major piece of legislation, but then after it is agreed to, want to keep it in place because it is a better option than obstructing it or withdrawing from it just to own the libs.

Exactly. Nuance is lost on this ignorant motherfucker.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:43:39am

Davidson was Stormy Daniels’ prior attorney. Fascinating.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 8:44:28am

re: #224 JordanRules

Used to be confident we could recover quickly from diplomatic blunders. Now not so much.

because we had diplomats and not just ideologues and opportunists at work

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:45:30am

re: #227 MsJ

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Davidson was Stormy Daniels’ prior attorney. Fascinating.

Something stinks here.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 8:45:36am

re: #72 MsJ

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whenever im in an elevator and the door opens on a floor and no one’s there i always say “claude rains”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 8:46:44am

re: #215 KGxvi

I wonder how many of the Bernie Bros were also PUMAs. A lot of similarities between those groups, at least in the way they acted. Though, perhaps motivated by different things.

Some PUMAs did vote for McCain. But they weren’t voting for an inexperienced, ignorant, racist demagogue and bully. They voted for a very flawed human being, who was knowledgeable about government and our history and who demonstrated a level of courage few of us could emulate.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 8:47:22am

re: #79 MsJ

I’m starting to get a bad feeling that Cohen was a putz all on his own. Until we see the outlay of those financial transactions, it’s just another trump related scandal.

this, this, this!

where did the money go / who got it?

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:47:28am

re: #230 dangerman

whenever im in an elevator and the door opens on a floor and no one’s there i always say “claude rains”

Please esplain.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 8:48:02am

re: #231 Hecuba’s daughter

Some PUMAs did vote for McCain. But they weren’t voting for an inexperienced, ignorant, racist demagogue and bully. They voted for a very flawed human being, who was knowledgeable about government and our history and who demonstrated a level of courage few of us could emulate.

I was a registered Republican in 2000 and voted for him in the primaries, and might have voted for him in the general if he had won back then.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 8:48:14am

re: #233 MsJ

Please esplain.

the invisible man

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:49:02am
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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 8:49:30am

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

North Korea can still trash a good part of the south just using conventional weapons.

Which is one of the reasons, I suspect, that “abandon the mutual protection pact” will be a non-starter for the South Koreans.

For Trump? Who knows? Is there a Trump Tower in Seoul?

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:49:44am

re: #215 KGxvi

I wonder how many of the Bernie Bros were also PUMAs. A lot of similarities between those groups, at least in the way they acted. Though, perhaps motivated by different things.

I think the Bros are a more related species to the Paulists. Both very male communities.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 8:49:45am

re: #233 MsJ

Please esplain.

The Invisible Man

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 8:50:26am

re: #227 MsJ

Davidson was Stormy Daniels’ prior attorney. Fascinating.

IIRC, Davidson was also the attorney for the other playmate Trump is reported to have been involved with. (And this may be what’s in the email. I can’t see it.)

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:50:34am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was a registered Republican in 2000 and voted for him in the primaries, and might have voted for him in the general if he had won back then.

Well 2000 McCain was a different man from the McCain in 2008 that spoke at Liberty. The 2000 McCain correctly saw that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were bastards but he had backed off that by 2008 unfortunately.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:50:45am

re: #240 Belafon

IIRC, Davidson was also the attorney for the other playmate Trump is reported to have been involved with. (And this may be what’s in the email. I can’t see it.)

Yes, he was.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:52:43am

I think the PUMAs more or less were just a bunch of HRC supporters who thought she was wronged in the 2008 primaries and then came around when they saw Obama’s message and that HRC fully embraced Obama and worked her ass off for him.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 8:53:44am

re: #102 Barefoot Grin

Morning Joe just showed a side-by-side of Pence with Nixon: “one year,” “we’ve cooperated fully,” “time to wrap it up.” Almost verbatim.

hey doc, while i realize no one’s every done this kind of operation before, you’ve been in there quite a while. Time to wrap it up.

investigations take how long they take. you never stop as long as they are productive and moving forward.

idiots

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 8:54:24am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Well 2000 McCain was a different man from the McCain in 2008 that spoke at Liberty. The 2000 McCain correctly saw that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were bastards but he had backed off that by 2008 unfortunately.

He backed off because the party had been mutating around him to something primal and evil and, to win the nomination, he had to cater to this more significant GOP interest group.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 8:54:34am

re: #232 dangerman

this, this, this!

where did the money go / who got it?

Yup. Cant wait for that puzzle piece.
I mean why’d he have to mortgage a property if he had so much fake lobbyist chedda?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 8:55:14am

Michael Avenatti is a fucking American Hero.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 8:55:16am

re: #104 Belafon

.@maryaliceparks: “It was not a good night for the Bernie Sanders wing…those progressive insurgent candidates didn’t do so well.”

if you’re implying wing of the democrats, bernie is not a democrat

or did you mean the bernie sanders wing of the unaffiliated independents. then yeah, they got pasted.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:55:36am

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

He backed off because the party had been mutating around him to something primal and evil and, to win the nomination, he had to cater to this more significant GOP interest group.

I know. I’m just saying. He was a different guy in 2008 than in 2000. I probably vote for Gore or Bradley in 2000 but I’d be content with McCain too.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 8:56:09am

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

He backed off because the party had been mutating around him to something primal and evil and, to win the nomination, he had to cater to this more significant GOP interest group.

A 2008 McCain/Lieberman independent bid probably would have pissed off all the right people. Not sure I’d’ve supported him like I did in 2000, but I’m always on board with pissing off the right people.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 8:57:11am

re: #111 MsJ

I have watched a sum total of two partial episodes of Sex and the City and did not find it funny in any way. But I also didn’t find Seinfeld very funny (I have seen two of those, as well). I actually find few comedy series funny. Most I think are just stupid. Maybe it says more about me than anything else.

well that and the no breaded, fried meat thingy ;-)

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Dave In Austin  May 10, 2018 • 8:57:40am
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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 8:58:16am

re: #116 Belafon

1. Works so far.
2. Here’s our actual message: We want to keep and improve the ACA, or replace it with Medicare for all; we think taxes on the rich should be higher; we should spend more on education and not as much on defense; we’re a nation of immigrants, we should be taking care of them; hate doesn’t belong here. Guess what? That’s all anti-Trump.

belafon for comms director

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:58:59am

re: #250 KGxvi

A 2008 McCain/Lieberman independent bid probably would have pissed off all the right people. Not sure I’d’ve supported him like I did in 2000, but I’m always on board with pissing off the right people.

Too hawkish for me. But it means no Palin and I’ve gone a long time without hearing her voice.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 8:59:31am

re: #251 dangerman

well that and the no breaded, fried meat thingy ;-)

NOw, now just because she’s a meat heretic doesn’t mean we have to be mean :).

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Patricia Kayden  May 10, 2018 • 9:01:15am
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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 9:01:15am

re: #253 dangerman

belafon for comms director

Unfortunately you can say all the right things all the time but it doesn’t matter if the press is focused on an empty podium or the latest Trump outrage. Unfortunately, it’s also true that it’s not just the words and the sincerity that matter — it’s the presentation and style if you want to attract those who are undecided or who may be reachable.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 9:02:10am

re: #252 Dave In Austin

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Trump will never Be Best.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 9:02:14am

re: #142 Shropshire Slasher

Its the same echo chamber it has always been. Saying the same things before the 2016 election, and everyone here was wrong.

no one was “wrong”

the trump campaign eeked out a miracle that even they didnt think was going to happen
there are some stories that he didnt even want it to happen

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 9:04:08am

re: #250 KGxvi

A 2008 McCain/Lieberman independent bid probably would have pissed off all the right people. Not sure I’d’ve supported him like I did in 2000, but I’m always on board with pissing off the right people.

the Christian fundamentalists were threatening to bail on the GOP if he did not choose someone more representative of their interests

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 9:04:16am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Too hawkish for me. But it means no Palin and I’ve gone a long time without hearing her voice.

Rumor was that McCain wanted Lieberman as his running mate in 2008 but that the GOP party elders shut it down (for obvious reasons). It would have been interesting to see how a McCain-Obama-Romney race would have played out in the general election. I suspect Obama would have run away with it, but again, I’m all for pissing off socons.

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Dave In Austin  May 10, 2018 • 9:06:00am

re: #258 ObserverArt

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:06:08am
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Bubblehead II  May 10, 2018 • 9:06:13am

re: #246 JordanRules

Yup. Cant wait for that puzzle piece.
I mean why’d he have to mortgage a property if he had so much fake lobbyist chedda?

Had to have some type of cover to hide the dirty money flowing in?

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:06:32am

re: #261 KGxvi

Rumor was that McCain wanted Lieberman as his running mate in 2008 but that the GOP party elders shut it down (for obvious reasons). It would have been interesting to see how a McCain-Obama-Romney race would have played out in the general election. I suspect Obama would have run away with it, but again, I’m all for pissing off socons.

It would have. Personally, I don’t buy that McCain was stuck with either Lieberman or Palin. I forget who else was vetted but they could have done better.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 9:06:53am

re: #257 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately you can say all the right things all the time but it doesn’t matter if the press is focused on an empty podium or the latest Trump outrage. Unfortunately, it’s also true that it’s not just the words and the sincerity that matter — it’s the presentation and style if you want to attract those who are undecided or who may be reachable.

Luckily, the local elections since Trump have either responded to one of two things:
1. Trump
2. The message local Democrats have put out, which is some variation on what I said above.
I’ll take a win in either of these cases.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 9:07:13am

re: #263 JordanRules

Novartis paid Cohen $100k-a-month to do…. nothing.

Cohen’s favorite Jethro Tull song:

Jethro Tull - Nothing Is Easy

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:09:22am

Personally I think VP selection says a lot about the kind of President you’ll make. In that sense, I don’t think Gore or Kerry would have been as good as Obama or Clinton. Now that said, Edwards was a selection I liked at the time because Edwards seemed like a good guy and not the world class jerk he revealed himself to be. I genuinely liked his wife and hated how he treated her and their kids.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 9:09:25am

re: #162 MsJ

From the folks that radicalized republicans.

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Donald Trump, with his feral cunning, knew. The oleaginous Mike Pence, with his talent for toadyism and appetite for obsequiousness, could, Trump knew, become America’s most repulsive public figure. And Pence, who has reached this pinnacle by dethroning his benefactor, is augmenting the public stock of useful knowledge. Because his is the authentic voice of today’s lickspittle Republican Party, he clarifies this year’s elections: Vote Republican to ratify groveling as governing.”

“There will be negligible legislating by the next Congress, so ballots cast this November will be most important as validations or repudiations of the harmonizing voices of Trump, Pence, Arpaio and the like. Trump is what he is, a floundering, inarticulate jumble of gnawing insecurities and not-at-all compensating vanities, which is pathetic. Pence is what he has chosen to be, which is horrifying.”

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:10:01am

re: #269 dangerman

The man may have a weird hatred of blue jeans but he’s right.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:10:24am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

It would have. Personally, I don’t buy that McCain was stuck with either Lieberman or Palin. I forget who else was vetted but they could have done better.

Agreed. Just like we saw in the last election…they would have eventually jumped on board.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 9:11:32am

re: #163 wheat-dogg

Indeed. How wonderful that Will and Rubin have come to realize a year on what Hillary and the Democrats were saying back in 2016.

will hasnt realized anything

he was hoping for something “not trump and pence”

now he’s got no one to play with

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:13:19am
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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 9:14:07am

nyt says

Rudy Giuliani abruptly resigned from his law firm after weeks of tensions over his public comments

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 9:14:43am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

It would have. Personally, I don’t buy that McCain was stuck with either Lieberman or Palin. I forget who else was vetted but they could have done better.

It was a desperation move, a believe that without a dramatic shakeup in the race he was toast. Which he ended up being anyway.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 9:15:13am

Meanwhile, Rick Wilson continues to lead the Never Trump brigade in outstanding fashion:

Like a bloated, portly fake billionaire rolling off a hooker after a hot 45 seconds of passionate sex, Donald Trump’s ardor for Rudy Giuliani seems to have cooled.

That’s the opening sentence/paragraph.

Wilson has been incredibly entertaining in his Never Trumpism, between his appearances on With Friends Like These and CNN (last night he said Cohen’s approach to pay for play was “standing on a street corner, hiking up his skirt, and saying ‘hey sailor’”).

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 9:15:24am

re: #258 ObserverArt

Trump will never Be Best.

Well he could have the best mugshot we’ve ever seen.

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Dr Lizardo  May 10, 2018 • 9:18:20am

re: #276 KGxvi

(last night he said Cohen’s approach to pay for play was “standing on a street corner, hiking up his skirt, and saying ‘hey sailor’”).

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 9:19:20am

re: #278 Dr Lizardo

Lemon went to him first, and he had a nice rant that ended with that. A woman on the panel (forget her name) just says “we’re supposed to follow that?”

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 9:19:37am

re: #276 KGxvi

Like a bloated, portly fake billionaire rolling off a hooker after a hot 45 seconds of passionate sex, Donald Trump’s ardor for [insert name of latest sure-bet advisor who is really going to get dRumpf out of his jam] seems to have cooled.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:20:28am

re: #274 dangerman

nyt says

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 9:21:46am

re: #163 wheat-dogg

Indeed. How wonderful that Will and Rubin have come to realize a year on what Hillary and the Democrats were saying back in 2016.

Rubin was a ferocious anti-Trumper in 2016 and I believe she basically supported Hillary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 9:23:08am

re: #274 dangerman

nyt says

heh…

“Firm partners had chafed over Mr. Giuliani’s public comments about payments that another of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, Michael D. Cohen, made to secure the silence of a pornographic film actress who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump. The president has denied her allegations. In interviews, Mr. Giuliani suggested that such payments were common at his firm.

yep, that’ll do it.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 9:24:19am

re: #274 dangerman

nyt says

Imagine. A law firm not liking one of its people saying that he would and has fixed shit for his clients just like Cohen did. I know…it’s hard to imagine, isn’t it?

//

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:24:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 9:25:45am

still a moron.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 9:26:07am

re: #285 JordanRules

Kind of like the rest of us. The difference, though, is that while we thought the sudden onset of fascism was something we needed to react to by trying to stop, they thought they need to get on its good side.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 9:27:20am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

yep, that’ll do it.

I laughed when I heard Rudy make that comment about expenditures because I imagined every partner at his firm watching that and then sending a group text saying “what the fuck is that crazy old man saying?” No lawyer worth their salt enters into a settlement agreement for a client without clearing it with the client first. And no lawyer advances settlement payments for a client. That’s not how it works.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:28:10am

re: #287 Belafon

Kind of like the rest of us. The difference, though, is that while we thought the sudden onset of fascism was something we needed to react to by trying to stop, they thought they need to get on its good side.

Perfectly stated.

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Citizen K  May 10, 2018 • 9:28:17am

It’s a day ending in ‘Y’, therefore it’s time for more ‘Hillary was just as bad, if not worse!’ hectoring and speculation by the NYT:

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 9:28:47am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron.

Here’s how the meeting will go:

Kim: We need to denuclearize Korea.
Trump: Yes we do.
Kim: That means US ships, which are nuclear.
Trump: They are? Sounds good. We’ll do it. (Trump laughing inside at how he’s pulled another con.)

Later:
Kim: The US has agreed to leave the peninsula.
Trump: I did not.
Kim: America can’t be trusted.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 9:31:49am

re: #290 Citizen K

It’s a day ending in ‘Y’, therefore it’s time for more ‘Hillary was just as bad, if not worse!’ hectoring and speculation by the NYT:

Can’t get on twitter or I would thrash Martin. Please explain, dude, why these payments were done in secret to Cohen, and how they would have gotten to Clinton. Show me how you would see Clinton making threats to companies the same way Trump did.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:33:01am

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Citizen K  May 10, 2018 • 9:33:57am

re: #292 Belafon

“Hillary, therefore evil.” That’s all the proof you need, really. It’s an article of faith among most of the goddamn country it seems like that Hillary would have done every single sin Trump did but 10x worse, when every single fucking thing Trump accused Hillary of, he’s done 10x worse.

But she’s Hillary, so “Hillary, therefore evil.”

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:34:15am

re: #290 Citizen K

It’s a day ending in ‘Y’, therefore it’s time for more ‘Hillary was just as bad, if not worse!’ hectoring and speculation by the NYT:

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Oh shut up Jon.

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Dave In Austin  May 10, 2018 • 9:34:58am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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still a moron.

It’s all ya can say….

I was thinkin’…….. (Sigh)

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I cannot.  May 10, 2018 • 9:35:18am

Well, went to the theatre, bought tickets, food and all…and then I realized something…

…I had forgotten to take my seizure medicine…

…I take it every 12 hours…

…I was going on 16 hours at that minute.

ZOOM! home, but by now the movie has already started.

GODDAMMIT! I want to fckin see Infinity War!

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 9:35:19am
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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:35:29am

re: #292 Belafon

Can’t get on twitter or I would thrash Martin. Please explain, dude, why these payments were done in secret to Cohen, and how they would have gotten to Clinton. Show me how you would see Clinton making threats to companies the same way Trump did.

He can’t. He just has a bs anti Clinton agenda that HRC is just bad cuz.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:39:52am

2018 what are you even doing?!?

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 9:41:10am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

He can’t. He just has a bs anti Clinton agenda that HRC is just bad cuz.

A lot of his attitude is the inherent misogyny that is widespread in this nation. Too many men do not want to see a woman in power; a vast majority of white men want a reflection of themselves to run this nation.

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Targetpractice  May 10, 2018 • 9:43:15am

re: #301 Hecuba’s daughter

A lot of his attitude is the inherent misogyny that is widespread in this nation. Too many men do not want to see a woman in power; a vast majority of white men want a reflection of themselves to run this nation.

There’s also the denial that Old School journalists have steeped themselves in, the need to “normalize” Trump by pretending that his actions are not out of the American political mainstream. Thus they have convince themselves that shamelessly selling the presidency is not something to get worked up over because “Hillary would have been worse!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 9:43:17am

re: #296 Dave In Austin

“I want my country back!” = “I want a white guy in charge again!”

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 9:44:33am

re: #300 JordanRules

2018 what are you even doing?!?

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“Sure, why not?” pretty much sums up the last two years or so.

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terraincognita  May 10, 2018 • 9:45:12am

re: #293 JordanRules

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Seen at the Wisconsin State Fair:

1/4 lb. stick of deep fat fried butter. FUCK IT

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 9:46:29am

re: #305 terraincognita

Seen at the Wisconsin State Fair:

1/4 lb. stick of deep fat fried butter. FUCK IT

Fuck it, I’ll have two!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 9:46:37am

re: #305 terraincognita

Seen at the Wisconsin State Fair:

1/4 lb. stick of deep fat fried butter. FUCK IT

I think that was originally offered at the Iowa State Fair

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 9:48:24am

re: #305 terraincognita

Seen at the Wisconsin State Fair:

1/4 lb. stick of deep fat fried butter. FUCK IT

YOLO.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:49:43am

re: #305 terraincognita

Seen at the Wisconsin State Fair:

1/4 lb. stick of deep fat fried butter. FUCK IT

What a time to be alive!!!!

…….but not for long. Fuck it.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 9:50:11am

re: #288 KGxvi

I laughed when I heard Rudy make that comment about expenditures because I imagined every partner at his firm watching that and then sending a group text saying “what the fuck is that crazy old man saying?” No lawyer worth their salt enters into a settlement agreement for a client without clearing it with the client first. And no lawyer advances settlement payments for a client. That’s not how it works.

the group text may have been “what the fuck has that crazy old man been doing on our dime?

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 9:51:00am

re: #251 dangerman

well that and the no breaded, fried meat thingy ;-)

There’s that!

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:51:04am

This is for the morning troll…

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 9:51:22am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

NOw, now just because she’s a meat heretic doesn’t mean we have to be mean :).

HEY!

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 10, 2018 • 9:53:57am

re: #308 Eclectic Cyborg

YOLO.

You only live once but can infarct many times.

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austin_blue  May 10, 2018 • 9:53:59am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I hate this about our system. That this one man through one check can have more impact than 100 individuals.

100? Most people can afford to throw $100 at local races. That’s 300,000 people, for dog’s sake.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 9:54:57am

re: #290 Citizen K

It’s a day ending in ‘Y’, therefore it’s time for more ‘Hillary was just as bad, if not worse!’ hectoring and speculation by the NYT:

Essential Consultants story is most interesting as a reflection of how flat-footed Trump’s win caught big biz. In early 2017 they’re scrambling to cover a bad electoral bet; Cohen just one of a number of hangers on pitching themselves as the silver bullet.

just whoa there, nellie.

you’re saying it was ‘big biz” that forced cohen to set this whole mechanism up? to create the llc? payoff daniels? solicit the actual businesses who never even heard of him?

youre saying cohen merely saw an unmet need and exploited it?

wow

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:56:19am

re: #315 austin_blue

100? Most people can afford to throw $100 at local races. That’s 300,000 people, for dog’s sake.

Yeah I’m being very conservative with my numbers.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 9:57:02am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

NOw, now just because she’s a meat heretic doesn’t mean we have to be mean :).

hey - i winky smiley faced it

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 9:57:38am
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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 9:58:28am

re: #257 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately you can say all the right things all the time but it doesn’t matter if the press is focused on an empty podium or the latest Trump outrage. Unfortunately, it’s also true that it’s not just the words and the sincerity that matter — it’s the presentation and style if you want to attract those who are undecided or who may be reachable.

i meant for after we take over

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 9:58:29am

re: #315 austin_blue

100? Most people can afford to throw $100 at local races. That’s 300,000 people, for dog’s sake.

people who can afford to donate that much to a political candidate can afford to pay a bit more in taxes…

so if it is unlikely that we will be able to overturn Citizens United, perhaps some day we can just put a 10% tax on all political contributions totaling over $1 million…

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:59:31am

re: #318 dangerman

hey - i winky smiley faced it

I know lol.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 9:59:41am

re: #308 Eclectic Cyborg

YOLO.

Briefly (the more you eat this).

What is it… Like fried bread and butter?

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Mike Lamb  May 10, 2018 • 9:59:47am

re: #290 Citizen K

It’s a day ending in ‘Y’, therefore it’s time for more ‘Hillary was just as bad, if not worse!’ hectoring and speculation by the NYT:

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Really is hard to describe how ridiculous this tweet is.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:00:56am

re: #321 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

people who can afford to donate that much to a political candidate can afford to pay a bit more in taxes…

so if it is unlikely that we will be able to overturn Citizens United, perhaps some day we can just put a 10% tax on all political contributions totaling over $1 million…

I dunno. The court ruled donations are speech. Taxing the contributions would immediately be challenged and perhaps overturned. I think CU can be overturned tho.

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BeachDem  May 10, 2018 • 10:01:30am

re: #267 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Novartis paid Cohen $100k-a-month to do…. nothing.

Cohen’s favorite Jethro Tull song:

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That ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it
Money for nothing chick for free $130,000 and up

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 10:05:30am

re: #310 dangerman

the group text may have been “what the fuck has that crazy old man been doing on our dime?

I had figured Rudy was a “prestige” partner at most of the firms he’s been at since 2002. The big firms often have partners who are there because of their name rather than any actual work they might do. I doubt Rudy was doing much “legal work”. He was there to bring business in, rather than to handle cases - that’s what associates and junior partners are for.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:08:41am

re: #327 KGxvi

I had figured Rudy was a “prestige” partner at most of the firms he’s been at since 2002. The big firms often have partners who are there because of their name rather than any actual work they might do. I doubt Rudy was doing much “legal work”. He was there to bring business in, rather than to handle cases - that’s what associates and junior partners are for.

Yeah. One of our partners is a retired judge who still uses our office sometimes but he’s not full time in the office.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 10:09:02am
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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 10:10:02am

re: #327 KGxvi

I had figured Rudy was a “prestige” partner at most of the firms he’s been at since 2002. The big firms often have partners who are there because of their name rather than any actual work they might do. I doubt Rudy was doing much “legal work”. He was there to bring business in, rather than to handle cases - that’s what associates and junior partners are for.

i know i know
still - until he flat out denies it, i’m saying its possible
cause he sounded like he was speaking from authority and experience ;-)

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:10:32am

re: #329 JordanRules

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What the fuck.

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SpikeDad  May 10, 2018 • 10:18:45am

And another Republican Congress FUCK YOU to Democrats. Just got an email from People for the American way:

“Senate Republicans just confirmed Trump’s nominee to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals Michael Brennan — over the objection of one of his home-state senators.”

So there is basically nothing Republicans won’t do to get their way - legal, illegal, smashing 100 year old traditions. NOTHING.

Our court system will be fucked up for 50 years after this. I usually add Thanks Bernie Bros to my online posts but I think we all know that’s true here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 10:19:57am
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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 10:20:27am

The LA Times has an interesting story about the political fight over criminal justice reform out here. Long story short: it’s incredibly complicated. This particular story is about a gang member who was released and ended up killing a cop in Whittier. The tough on crime folks want to go back to locking everyone up but the commission that reviewed the case found that there were a lot of problems at the local level:

Among its findings:

Mejia’s probation officer used an “excessive” number of short jail stints, aimed at stopping his bad behavior. Instead, Mejia’s supervision should have been revoked, sending him to jail for a longer time.

Mejia, who had a history of drug abuse, should have been referred to substance-abuse treatment screening as soon as he was released from prison. But the county waited until he admitted using heroin and requested help. Even then, the county waited two weeks before getting him an initial drug treatment screening, which he didn’t show up to.

When the probation department did finally decide to get tough, an officer recommended Mejia spend three months in jail followed by court-ordered residential drug treatment. But the prosecutor handling the case did not include the probation officer in plea negotiations and so was unaware of the extent of Mejia’s escalating drug and gang activity. The prosecutor asked a judge to send Mejia to jail for only a month.

We’ve got work to do.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 10:22:01am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I need to know how she got into Yale. How?!?

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 10:22:26am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

And yet, somehow, she was ok with telling a black person who wanted to take a nap exactly what to do.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:23:08am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeesh.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:23:19am

re: #335 JordanRules

I need to know how she got into Yale. How?!?

Legacy?

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 10:24:49am

Why hasn’t Yale turned her into a liberal commie? //

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:26:44am

re: #339 Belafon

Why hasn’t Yale turned her into a liberal commie? //

Yeah I thought the Ivies and colleges were teaching our kids to hate whitey!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 10:26:59am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 10:27:51am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

And I always thought Yale was kind of like, selective, about who they let in…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 10:29:03am
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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 10:29:42am
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terraincognita  May 10, 2018 • 10:30:08am

re: #339 Belafon

Why hasn’t Yale turned her into a liberal commie? //

Nah…She couldn’t get in to Berkeley, Madison or Columbia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 10:30:21am

re: #329 JordanRules

Trump just thanked Kim Jong Un for being “excellent” to US captives

Trump does not like people who let themselves get captured.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 10:32:17am

re: #342 Eclectic Cyborg

And I always thought Yale was kind of like, selective, about who they let in…

Well, Yale could use an international airport…

He Spelled Yale with a 6

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 10:32:40am
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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 10:33:28am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ayn Rand reincarnated?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 10:33:45am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also the white woman at Yale who called the cops on a sleeping Black Yale student is openly anti-theist. She hates Islam, Christianity, & organized religion. She wants to abolish hate crime laws.

But please, tell me more about how atheists cant be extremists?

atheists can be assholes like anyone else

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 10:34:20am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

Yeah I thought the Ivies and colleges were teaching our kids to hate whitey!

Bari Weiss tells us this in her shitty columns every month.

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Mike Lamb  May 10, 2018 • 10:35:15am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good fucking grief.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:35:25am

re: #347 KGxvi

Well, Yale could use an international airport…

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Video

One of the great guest stars. Rodney was perfect as Larry.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:36:12am

re: #349 Belafon

Ayn Rand reincarnated?

Sounds like her. Just needs some racist rage against Native Americans and she’s set.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:36:42am

re: #351 JordanRules

Bari Weiss tells us this in her shitty columns every month.

Yeah I hear that too. I’ve only been out of college six years now. Conservatives are so full of shit about campuses.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 10:39:41am

she’s back (and also a moron):

and she has really smart fans:

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 10:40:58am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

she’s back (and also a moron):

I think he got the order wrong, personally.

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Bubblehead II  May 10, 2018 • 10:41:06am
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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 10:41:28am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

she’s back (and also a moron):

Oh, it’s OK to judge the way some country’s leaders talk now?

///

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:41:40am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

she’s back (and also a moron):

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Pam, aren’t you the one who wanted to defile the corpses of Islamists? I mean yeah we know Khameini is a dingus. He would be saying this about Trump regardless of what happened though.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:42:22am

re: #359 Sir John Barron

Oh, it’s OK to judge the way some country’s leaders talk now?

///

Yeah. If Trump had said the same thing about Khameini, Pam would love it and she knows it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 10:44:25am
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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:45:39am

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTF is with all these assholes? They have a different skin color than you. So the fuck what. It’s no different than someone having a different hair color or eye color.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 10:45:44am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

she’s back (and also a moron):

Look, if Khamaeini has the economy humming, doesn’t that mean we can just disregard his obnoxious tweets, which after all aren’t policy? MIGA

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:47:31am

re: #364 Sir John Barron

Look, if Khamaeini has the economy humming, doesn’t that mean we can just disregard his obnoxious tweets, which after all aren’t policy? MIGA

Economically Anxious Ayatollahs. And yes that’s my surf rock band.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 10:49:28am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

WTF is with all these assholes? They have a different skin color than you. So the fuck what. It’s no different than someone having a different hair color or eye color.

I really hate Trump for emboldening these motherfuckers so much.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 10:50:05am
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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:50:24am

re: #366 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hate Trump for emboldening these motherfuckers so much.

I do too.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:53:41am

re: #367 JordanRules

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My Dad and I ran into one of my brother’s friends brothers(black guy) and he told us some of the stuff he’s gone through. He was pretty non-nonchalant about the whole experience but it just had me thinking as a white guy how much differently the police treat me as a white man than him as a black man. This guy didn’t deserve that. He was being a good brother and just looking for a bite to eat. Shaun annoyed me greatly with his Bernie Broism but he does bring attention to one of the most crucial issues facing our nation.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:54:48am

We seriously need to have a conversation about policing in this country.

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Dave In Austin  May 10, 2018 • 10:55:34am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

We seriously need to have a conversation about policing in this country.

I think it’s gone beyond that….

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:56:39am

re: #371 Dave In Austin

I think it’s gone beyond that….

For sure. We need to confront this head on. I don’t care if the cops or a bunch of uptight conservatives get offended. This NEEDS to fucking end.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 10:57:28am

This thread (it’s still being updated today):

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 10:57:57am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

My Dad and I ran into one of my brother’s friends brothers(black guy) and he told us some of the stuff he’s gone through. He was pretty non-nonchalant about the whole experience but it just had me thinking as a white guy how much differently the police treat me as a white man than him as a black man. This guy didn’t deserve that. He was being a good brother and just looking for a bite to eat. Shaun annoyed me greatly with his Bernie Broism but he does bring attention to one of the most crucial issues facing our nation.

Yup. I’m not a big Shaun fan either but we gotta shine all of the lights.

Damn…that made me think of the Kanye song and I’m sad.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:59:22am

re: #374 JordanRules

Yup. I’m not a big Shaun fan either but we gotta shine all of the lights.

Damn…that made me think of the Kanye song and I’m sad.

Yep. BTW I read Invisible Man by Ellison over the Winter. Damn. That was powerful stuff.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 10:59:42am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

We seriously need to have a conversation about policing in this country.

They dislocated an exCIA guys shoulder at the hearings yesterday. He was 78 years old.

Police are not good any longer.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 11:00:26am

re: #302 Targetpractice

There’s also the denial that Old School journalists have steeped themselves in, the need to “normalize” Trump by pretending that his actions are not out of the American political mainstream. Thus they have convince themselves that shamelessly selling the presidency is not something to get worked up over because “Hillary would have been worse!”

I think you could just as easily go softer on your last sentence and it would fit the political atmosphere going today.

Hillary would have been just as bad!

That way a slack journalist can cover their ass better…it makes it all politicians are bad which is more of a shrug of the shoulders.

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mmmirele  May 10, 2018 • 11:01:09am

The Episcopal diocese of Texas is reporting a bomb was set off in front of St. Stephen’s church in Beaumont, probably overnight. No injuries, but blown out windows and structural damage. The press release also refers to a bomb at a local Starbuck’s in late April.
epicenter.org

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 11:01:29am

Another ridiculous column in Nytimes:
nytimes.com

It suggests that being educated makes one more partisan and supportive of positions that harm them, if their party supports it. The issue they focus on for Democrats? More educated Democrats are more likely to favor increased taxes on the wealthy than less educated Democrats. I guess they don’t understand that Democrats may have more compassion for those who are less fortunate and may be more concerned about the well-being of our planet. Whoever these researchers are, they clearly have a right-wing bias. Seems in line with the Times concern about Trump voters.

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Sir John Barron  May 10, 2018 • 11:02:50am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

she’s back (and also a moron):

Look, I know Khamenei sometimes says politically incorrect things, but he promised to get the mines running again. Give the guy a chance.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 11:03:01am

I wonder if it has to do with the type of people attracted to policing?

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:03:06am

What’s worse than deplorable?

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:03:18am

re: #376 MsJ

They dislocated an exCIA guys shoulder at the hearings yesterday. He was 78 years old.

Police are not good any longer.

Yeah I saw that. I’m trusting the police less and less daily.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:05:06am

re: #379 Hecuba’s daughter

Another ridiculous column in Nytimes:
nytimes.com

It suggests that being educated makes one more partisan and supportive of positions that harm them, if their party supports it. The issue they focus on for Democrats? More educated Democrats are more likely to favor increased taxes on the wealthy than less educated Democrats. I guess they don’t understand that Democrats may have more compassion for those who are less fortunate and may be more concerned about the well-being of our planet. Whoever these researchers are, they clearly have a right-wing bias. Seems in line with the Times concern about Trump voters.

Also many Dems know civilization has to be paid for and that is in their self interest.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:05:16am

re: #382 JordanRules

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What’s worse than deplorable?

Somehow I doubt those two were even close to tortured. WTF is wrong with them? Meaghan McCain, we may not like your father’s political beliefs but we don’t belittle what he went through as a POW because we disagree with him. This is the party your father has stayed thick and through with.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 10, 2018 • 11:08:16am

re: #376 MsJ

They dislocated an exCIA guys shoulder at the hearings yesterday. He was 78 years old.

Police are not good any longer.

Any longer? Police are better than they used to be, because we put cameras on them
now.

They’ve always existed to protect the powerful, and keep minorities and the poor in their place.

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Mike Lamb  May 10, 2018 • 11:11:04am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

she’s back (and also a moron):

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The conservative/neo-con interpretation of the Iran deal mirrors that of their interpretation of Net Neutrality—namely, it does the exact opposite of what the conservatives say it does. Christ, violating the deal is what gives Iran the immediate path to a nuclear weapon. And if you are worried about the money that Obama “gave” to Iran, then violating the deal makes even less fucking sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:11:58am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2018 • 11:12:32am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that. I’m trusting the police less and less daily.

I can’t imagine anybody trusting the police in any way, shape or form. Just as an extremely white guy growing up in what was then an all-white, middle-class suburb (well, we were passing on the middle-class part), the continuous, nonstop, chickenshit harassment that we were subjected to has left me with a lifelong, white-hot, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred for existing cops in particular, and the cop mentality—fancying yourself like the dominant male in a baboon troop—in general. I cannot have them anywhere around me.

Knowing now what black people have to put up with, all I can say is that they must all be absolute saints or every goddamn cop in the country would be dead by now. How they have not risen up and killed them all is beyond me.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 11:13:38am

re: #335 JordanRules

I need to know how she got into Yale. How?!?

She’s probably very intelligent and had the grades. I don’t think they test for bigotry and racism.

What will be more interesting is if they keep her there.

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Mike Lamb  May 10, 2018 • 11:14:12am

re: #382 JordanRules

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What’s worse than deplorable?

Welp…I’m about done for the day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:14:16am

Who is surprised?
Anyone?

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:15:25am

re: #381 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if it has to do with the type of people attracted to policing?

People like this?

You Got All Cs in High School?

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:15:52am

re: #390 ObserverArt

She’s probably very intelligent and had the grades. I don’t think they test for bigotry and racism.

What will be more interesting is if they keep her there.

Yeah, thats certainly possible. I thought that exerpt from her writing showed really bad logic and understanding of basic facts which is why I was wondering.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:16:04am

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is surprised?
Anyone?

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Has Cheney been smart enough to not leave the US since his term as VP ended?

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ckkatz  May 10, 2018 • 11:16:09am

re: #215 KGxvi

I wonder how many of the Bernie Bros were also PUMAs. A lot of similarities between those groups, at least in the way they acted. Though, perhaps motivated by different things.

I do learn a lot on this board.

‘PUMA’ is a new one to me. Had to look it up -> Party Unity My A@@

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Mike Lamb  May 10, 2018 • 11:16:42am

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is surprised?
Anyone?

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So we’re just going to pick the worst of each decade going back to just after the Civil War, and re-implement it?

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:16:47am

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is surprised?
Anyone?

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I hate Cheney more than I do Bush.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 11:16:51am

re: #386 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Any longer? Police are better than they used to be, because we put cameras on them
now.

They’ve always existed to protect the powerful, and keep minorities and the poor in their place.

Yes. Any longer.

I’m 58 and grew up with Officer Friendly, which at one time they were.

I’m also white so for me I’m aware that I see this as being Any longer. I’m quite sure alot of folks have been Never longer/Always been shit.

And that saddens me beyond words.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 10, 2018 • 11:17:20am

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is surprised?
Anyone?

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They gave him a new heart, but he’s the same rotten bastard he’s always been. They should try giving him a new brain.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:17:32am

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But have they talked to the fox? We need to know…

Ylvis - The Fox [Official music video HD]

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:17:34am

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is surprised?
Anyone?

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Sigh.
Go away!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:17:39am
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Charles Johnson  May 10, 2018 • 11:19:46am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:20:00am
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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:21:17am

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Thanks Senator.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:21:35am
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 10, 2018 • 11:22:32am

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good for her!

I listened to the exchange - Sen. Harris flexing her Prosecutor muscles - basically boiled down to “I won’t let the CIA do anything immoral, but I won’t tell you what I consider immoral, so you’ll just have to trust me on this one.”

No. Nah gah happun.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 11:22:35am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mark Warner

@MarkWarner
Bombarding the Justice Department with document requests simply to create a pretext for firing or impeaching our nation’s senior law enforcement officials is a blatant abuse of power that should concern everyone who believes in the rule of law, Republican and Democrat alike.
11:52 AM - May 10, 2018
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The modern GOP doesn’t believe in the rule of law, at least American law. They believe in strongman - white person rule and would worship at the foot of an American Putin, which Trump really isn’t since he has bent the knee (as they say in GOT) to Putin. But they would be fully on board with the laws in Nazi Germany.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 10, 2018 • 11:22:52am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

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O_o

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 10, 2018 • 11:23:24am

re: #401 KGxvi

My Girl - SNL

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:23:44am
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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:24:02am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bullshit Mike. You corrupt toadie.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:25:40am

re: #412 JordanRules

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That’s not how withdrawing works jackasses.

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dangerman  May 10, 2018 • 11:28:07am

re: #348 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also the white woman at Yale who called the cops on a sleeping Black Yale student is openly anti-theist. She hates Islam, Christianity, & organized religion. She wants to abolish hate crime laws.

But please, tell me more about how atheists cant be extremists?

“anti-theist” and “atheist” are separate things

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jaunte  May 10, 2018 • 11:28:29am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 11:29:59am

re: #394 JordanRules

Yeah, thats certainly possible. I thought that exerpt from her writing showed really bad logic and understanding of basic facts which is why I was wondering.

An intelligent person can fly right past basic fact and logic test questions the whole time hiding their true feelings.

Look around…we see it daily. People who everyone thought should know better are in fact racist/bigoted assholes. All you have to do is get them either totally relaxed in a setting they feel comfortable to let it out, or pissed off so that it flies out.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:30:45am

re: #416 jaunte

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Pence is Trump’s Agnew. We won’t get a Gerald Ford. That’s why we need both out with a majority in the House.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 11:31:37am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I hate Cheney more than I do Bush.

Equal to me. Bush knew Cheney and let him control him.

Now that I think about it…that may make Bush even worse.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 11:33:01am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

Pence is Trump’s Agnew. We won’t get a Gerald Ford. That’s why we need both out with a majority in the House.

That’s why our hope must be for a Democratic Congress in 2018 — and a delay in the impeachment/resignation of both Trump and Pence until after Democrats take office. Otherwise we are stuck (potentially) with Granny starver Ryan.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:33:36am

re: #417 ObserverArt

An intelligent person can fly right past basic fact and logic test questions the whole time hiding their true feelings.

Look around…we see it daily. People who everyone thought should know better are in fact racist/bigoted assholes. All you have to do is get them either totally relaxed in a setting they feel comfortable to let it out, or pissed off so that it flies out.

Very true!

I was honestly thinking she just wasn’t smart enough not that she could hide her bigotry well enough to get in. Cause like you said, they don’t screen for that.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:34:22am

re: #420 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s why our hope must be for a Democratic Congress in 2018 — and a delay in the impeachment/resignation of both Trump and Pence until after Democrats take office. Otherwise we are stuck (potentially) with Granny starver Ryan.

Right.

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ckkatz  May 10, 2018 • 11:35:19am

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hah!

Last night there was a red fox in my neighbor’s back yard “vixen calling” for about half an hour.
(Around 0:40 on the video)

Fox Calls

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 10, 2018 • 11:36:03am

re: #404 Charles Johnson

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Some folks lost their minds after 9/11. Others saw an opportunity.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:36:58am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Bullshit Mike. You corrupt toadie.

I find it interesting that Morning Joe is starting to turn on Pence now too. They played his comments to Mitchell back to back with Nixon’s SOTU where he basically said the same thing “a year of Watergate is enough.”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 11:37:20am

re: #415 dangerman

“anti-theist” and “atheist” are separate things

Mao was an atheist, Stalin was an atheist, Pol Pot was an atheist. There are many varieties of extremism — but those who are atheists are extremists not in pursuit of atheism but in pursuit of a different ideology.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 11:39:32am

re: #420 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s why our hope must be for a Democratic Congress in 2018 — and a delay in the impeachment/resignation of both Trump and Pence until after Democrats take office. Otherwise we are stuck (potentially) with Granny starver Ryan.

Ryan is out this November. Remember, he is retiring.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 10, 2018 • 11:40:52am

re: #416 jaunte

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That’s why Pence just said its time for Mueller to wrap things up. The longer this goes on the more Pence will be implicated too. So. Fucking. Obvious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:41:27am
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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:42:12am

re: #420 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s why our hope must be for a Democratic Congress in 2018 — and a delay in the impeachment/resignation of both Trump and Pence until after Democrats take office. Otherwise we are stuck (potentially) with Granny starver Ryan.

It all hinges on these midterms. If the GOP ends up controlling both chambers, then we have to ride this out until 2020. If the Democrats take at least one chamber back, then Congressional oversight becomes a real thing again.

If this plays out like Watergate/Agnew, Pence resigns while Trump burrows further. A new VP would have to be approved by both Houses of Congress. So that would be our best chance for a not terrible successor to Trump, should he be forced to resign/be impeached and removed.

The question is, what Republican would be acceptable enough for Democrats to vote for?

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ckkatz  May 10, 2018 • 11:42:28am

The discussion on Democratic Party identity has proven interesting. Despite the “controversial” way it got started in this thread.

In the mix is also that the Republican Party defined itself as being against whatever Obama was for. This has caused them a number of issues since the election. Like continuing to campaign against Hillery Clinton when things have moved on; And not having boundaries on things like Russian involvement and criminal behavior.

Add to that a lot of really poor reporting by organizations, such as the NYT, who should know better. Things like the magical balance fairy. “If the Republicans are doing it, the Democrats must be guilty of it too”.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:43:41am
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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 11:43:44am

re: #419 ObserverArt

Equal to me. Bush knew Cheney and let him control him.

Now that I think about it…that may make Bush even worse.

That is unfair to Bush. Before the 2000 election, a wealthy RW cousin explained to me that we didn’t have to worry about Bush’s foreign policy inexperience because he had the very knowledgeable Cheney guiding him. Bush was instructed by Cheney; he didn’t really understand the issues and left it in Cheney’s hands. Once again, the fault was with voters, but Bush-Cheney were not out of the mainstream like the Trump-Pence ticket. And who would have thought that Bush would not ask his father for guidance. Bush Sr would never have approved of the Iraqi adventure.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 11:45:30am

re: #430 KGxvi

It all hinges on these midterms. If the GOP ends up controlling both chambers, then we have to ride this out until 2020. If the Democrats take at least one chamber back, then Congressional oversight becomes a real thing again.

If this plays out like Watergate/Agnew, Pence resigns while Trump burrows further. A new VP would have to be approved by both Houses of Congress. So that would be our best chance for a not terrible successor to Trump, should he be forced to resign/be impeached and removed.

The question is, what Republican would be acceptable enough for Democrats to vote for?

A never-Trumper? How about David Jolly?

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:46:08am

re: #433 Hecuba’s daughter

That is unfair to Bush. Before the 2000 election, a wealthy RW cousin explained to me that we didn’t have to worry about Bush’s foreign policy inexperience because he had the very knowledgeable Cheney guiding him. Bush was instructed by Cheney; he didn’t really understand the issues and left it in Cheney’s hands. Once again, the fault was with voters, but Bush-Cheney were not out of the mainstream like the Trump-Pence ticket. And who would have thought that Bush would not ask his father for guidance. Bush Sr would never have approved of the Iraqi adventure.

Bush’s cabinet circa 2001 was pretty stacked with knowledgeable/qualified Republicans. Ashcroft was, at the time, seen as the worst of the group, I think.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 10, 2018 • 11:46:34am

re: #426 Hecuba’s daughter

Mao was an atheist, Stalin was an atheist, Pol Pot was an atheist. There are many varieties of extremism — but those who are atheists are extremists not in pursuit of atheism but in pursuit of a different ideology.

As I’ve said repeatedly, the absence of a belief in a god or gods is not in itself an organizing principle, any more than absence of belief in Santa Claus is.

Belief that organized religion is evil is not atheism. Indeed, atheism neither requires nor precludes such a belief.

Because atheism is not an organizing principle, nothing prevents atheists from being anything from Christlike to Antichristlike.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:47:23am
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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 11:47:50am

re: #435 KGxvi

Bush’s cabinet circa 2001 was pretty stacked with knowledgeable/qualified Republicans. Ashcroft was, at the time, seen as the worst of the group, I think.

He was the one that the Senate Dems fought the hardest on but Powell and even future controversial people like Rumsfeld weren’t fought on that hard. The irony of Cheney is that he was definitely a Ford type realist before the late 90’s. 9/11 impacted Cheney but he had changed even befoer then.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:48:22am

re: #433 Hecuba’s daughter

That is unfair to Bush. Before the 2000 election, a wealthy RW cousin explained to me that we didn’t have to worry about Bush’s foreign policy inexperience because he had the very knowledgeable Cheney guiding him. Bush was instructed by Cheney; he didn’t really understand the issues and left it in Cheney’s hands. Once again, the fault was with voters, but Bush-Cheney were not out of the mainstream like the Trump-Pence ticket. And who would have thought that Bush would not ask his father for guidance. Bush Sr would never have approved of the Iraqi adventure.

That’s the thing though…he didn’t ask for additional guidance and so I think he looks like a bad leader. He agreed with Cheney and I haven’t found any good cases for absolving him in any way. He owned The Decider and so it shall be.

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Renaissance_Man  May 10, 2018 • 11:49:15am

re: #430 KGxvi

It all hinges on these midterms. If the GOP ends up controlling both chambers, then we have to ride this out until 2020. If the Democrats take at least one chamber back, then Congressional oversight becomes a real thing again.

I don’t think Democrats will be able to fend off the endless attacks from CNN and the mainstream media demanding that they stop any Congressional oversight. Democrats should retake the House, but any attempt at governance or oversight will be continually attacked, parsed as ‘revenge for Benghazi’ or ‘witch hunts’ or ‘Washington gridlock’. The US media will quickly turn public opinion into grumbling that Democrats do nothing but oppose and engage in partisan witch hunts for political gain. Democrats won’t be able to handle that. They’ll have public opinion demanding that they stop any investigations and start working with Trump.

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BeachDem  May 10, 2018 • 11:50:18am

re: #421 JordanRules

Very true!

I was honestly thinking she just wasn’t smart enough not that she could hide her bigotry well enough to get in. Cause like you said, they don’t screen for that.

She has a law degree from Fordham—not that that necessarily says she’s smart or not, but she’s not some wide-eyed youngster who went off on some tangent. She’s 43 years old

Edit to add—she also has two undergrad engineering degrees from University of Minnesota and a Masters in Philosophy from San Francisco State, so her getting into Yale as a PhD candidate is not all that surprising.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:50:19am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

He was the one that the Senate Dems fought the hardest on but Powell and even future controversial people like Rumsfeld weren’t fought on that hard. The irony of Cheney is that he was definitely a Ford type realist before the late 90’s. 9/11 impacted Cheney but he had changed even befoer then.

I think the first Gulf War changed Cheney more than anything. He wanted so desperately to remove Hussien in the first war and it seemed like even before 9/11 that was his driving cause during the GWB Admin.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 11:51:28am

re: #440 Renaissance_Man

I don’t think Democrats will be able to fend off the endless attacks from CNN and the mainstream media demanding that they stop any Congressional oversight. Democrats should retake the House, but any attempt at governance or oversight will be continually attacked, parsed as ‘revenge for Benghazi’ or ‘witch hunts’ or ‘Washington gridlock’. The US media will quickly turn public opinion into grumbling that Democrats do nothing but oppose and engage in partisan witch hunts for political gain. Democrats won’t be able to handle that. They’ll have public opinion demanding that they stop any investigations and start working with Trump.

And, like Mueller, they should do the right thing anyway. That’s what they’re being voted in for.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:52:48am

re: #440 Renaissance_Man

I don’t think Democrats will be able to fend off the endless attacks from CNN and the mainstream media demanding that they stop any Congressional oversight. Democrats should retake the House, but any attempt at governance or oversight will be continually attacked, parsed as ‘revenge for Benghazi’ or ‘witch hunts’ or ‘Washington gridlock’. The US media will quickly turn public opinion into grumbling that Democrats do nothing but oppose and engage in partisan witch hunts for political gain. Democrats won’t be able to handle that. They’ll have public opinion demanding that they stop any investigations and start working with Trump.

Yeah, I don’t think that’s how it’ll play out. Most all of the media has figured out that Trump is a trainwreck. And a potential impeachment battle will soak so many undergarments in the media, that big once in a generation story that they’ll get to cover.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:53:06am
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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 11:53:33am

re: #433 Hecuba’s daughter

That is unfair to Bush. Before the 2000 election, a wealthy RW cousin explained to me that we didn’t have to worry about Bush’s foreign policy inexperience because he had the very knowledgeable Cheney guiding him. Bush was instructed by Cheney; he didn’t really understand the issues and left it in Cheney’s hands. Once again, the fault was with voters, but Bush-Cheney were not out of the mainstream like the Trump-Pence ticket. And who would have thought that Bush would not ask his father for guidance. Bush Sr would never have approved of the Iraqi adventure.

I’m not going to make excuses for a war and all those deaths and the costs to this nation which we are paying for both in debt and stature throughout the world.

He was the damn president. The buck stops there. Period.

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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:55:42am

re: #434 Hecuba’s daughter

A never-Trumper? How about David Jolly?

I would suspect it’d have to be a never-Trumper. I’m just not sure who. I’m also not sure who would want the job. If Trump isn’t removed before 2020, the new VP almost assuredly won’t be on the ticket (Trump will double down). If Trump is removed the new VP has to figure they won’t have a great chance in 2020 as the incumbent, a la Ford in 1976. I’m going to have to think about this quite a bit.

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Renaissance_Man  May 10, 2018 • 11:57:54am

re: #444 KGxvi

Yeah, I don’t think that’s how it’ll play out. Most all of the media has figured out that Trump is a trainwreck. And a potential impeachment battle will soak so many undergarments in the media, that big once in a generation story that they’ll get to cover.

We shall see. I don’t believe the US media will tolerate any serious threat to the Trump regime. He is their cash cow and the avatar of their most cherished constituency.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:57:55am

re: #425 KGxvi

I find it interesting that Morning Joe is starting to turn on Pence now too. They played his comments to Mitchell back to back with Nixon’s SOTU where he basically said the same thing “a year of Watergate is enough.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 11:58:45am
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KGxvi  May 10, 2018 • 11:59:57am

re: #449 JordanRules

I really dislike how much I’ve been aligned with Kristol lately. Even when I was more center-right, I never liked that swarmy bastard.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 10, 2018 • 12:03:29pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 10, 2018 • 12:04:02pm

re: #450 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who hasn’t played gunfight with their pets?

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 12:22:21pm

re: #449 JordanRules

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Sorry Mike that’s not how it works.


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