New From Seth Meyers: Trump Supporters Think He Deserves the Nobel Peace Prize

“Everyone thinks so, but I would never say it.”
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Seth takes a closer look at the president violating the Iran deal, his CIA director being grilled on her past involvement in torture and Trump’s supporters calling for him to win the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 6:06:47pm
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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 6:07:30pm

Nobody thinks it but his cult.

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Patricia Kayden  May 10, 2018 • 6:07:51pm

Trump supporters are bigoted idiots. Can’t wait for Mueller to finish his investigation and hopefully bring an end to this administration.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 6:08:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 6:09:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 6:10:41pm

I like this child.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2018 • 6:12:03pm

I don’t know about the Nobel Peace Prize but he should get the Moscow Piss Prize.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 10, 2018 • 6:12:12pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I like this child.

But she’ll be disappointed to learn that ‘Scullery Maid’ has nothing to do with skulls.
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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 6:13:08pm

Want to see him vapor lock? Give him the Nobel award Obama gave away the money for. Watch him squirm at accepting anything Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 6:13:32pm

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

But she’ll be disappointed to learn that ‘Scullery Maid’ has nothing to do with skulls.
//

depends on who and where the scullery maid is…

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 6:13:38pm

Nancy LeTourneau figures we don’t have enough to worry about, and calls Tom Cotten The Most Dangerous Up-and-Coming Republican in Washington Monthly. I couldn’t stand him from the first moment I saw him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 10, 2018 • 6:16:57pm

hahahahaha, Rudy.
No.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 6:22:05pm

re: #7 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t know about the Nobel Peace Prize but he should get the Moscow Piss Prize.

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Varek Raith  May 10, 2018 • 6:22:51pm

I’m not saying I want a Nobel prize but, it was aliens.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 6:24:09pm

re: #14 Varek Raith

I’m not saying I want a Nobel prize but, it was aliens.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 6:26:37pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:28:14pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:28:52pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:29:26pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:29:58pm
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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 6:30:02pm

The video of this policeman roughing up the Black football player was discussed around here a few weeks back when it was released.

ESPN Report…Atlanta cop has been fired. No charges filed against victim.

ESPN - Police chief says Georgia officer used unnecessary force to arrest Desmond Marrow

ATLANTA — A Georgia police officer has been fired for using unnecessary force while arresting Desmond Marrow, a former college football player at Toledo, after a video of the incident circulated widely online.

Henry County Police Chief Mark Amerman said in an emailed statement Thursday that Officer David Rose was fired after an internal investigation into the arrest of Marrow in a shopping center parking lot in McDonough, just south of Atlanta, on Dec. 2.

In the one-minute video clip, officers can be seen forcefully taking a handcuffed Marrow to the ground by sweeping his legs out from under him as he yells, “I’m not even fighting back.” When Marrow was on the ground, an officer put his hand on Marrow’s throat for several seconds and Marrow said, “I can’t breathe,” while another officer told him to settle down.

Amerman said Rose was recorded on his in-car camera system saying he had choked Marrow and that he didn’t intend to include that in his report.

It was not immediately clear whether Rose had an attorney who could comment on his firing.

- - more at link - -

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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:30:12pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:30:41pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:31:03pm
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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 6:31:22pm

re: #22 gocart mozart

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God damn that man to the hell he wants for most of us.

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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:31:58pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:32:16pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:32:36pm
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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:33:08pm
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John_Manyjars  May 10, 2018 • 6:37:53pm

re: #3 Patricia Kayden

I really really hope you are right. But the orange filth has survived so many scandals and gaffes that would have brought any other administration to its knees…even if Mueller is successful, I don’t see him leaving unless it’s at the end of a gun barrel, i.e. Civil War v. 2.0

JMHO and I hope I am wrong….

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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 6:38:37pm

re: #29 gocart mozart

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John_Manyjars  May 10, 2018 • 6:39:22pm

re: #11 retired cynic

Cotton has that dead-fish look in his eyes…uttterly unconcerned with anyone else’s welfare but his own. I’ve hated him from Day 1.

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 6:40:51pm

re: #26 gocart mozart

There will be a plethora of shameful bits about the current Administration that will never break into the headlines, because of the bigger stuff that is going down.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 6:41:03pm

re: #32 John_Manyjars

Cotton has that dead-fish look in his eyes…uttterly unconcerned with anyone else’s welfare but his own. I’ve hated him from Day 1.

Amen.

Cotton is the culmination of decades of right wing hatred. I think he’s a true believer which makes him very dangerous indeed.

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John_Manyjars  May 10, 2018 • 6:42:17pm

re: #31 Unshaken Defiance

My FIL is Jewish (Zionist, really) and a big pro-tRumper. I’m sure he’ll be all ‘Fake News!!1’ if I point this out to him. He has zero regrets voting for the Orange Filth. Wonder if he realizes just what the ‘alt-right’ has in store for him if they really get going like it’s 1933.

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 6:45:06pm
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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 6:49:39pm

re: #34 MsJ

Amen.

Cotton is the culmination of decades of right wing hatred. I think he’s a true believer which makes him very dangerous indeed.

Jim Jordan has the same eyes. Plus that little pugnacious face.

Invasion of The Politician Snatchers. They are out there!

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 6:51:28pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

Jim Jordan has the same eyes. Plus that little pugnacious face.

Invasion of The Politician Snatchers. They are out there!

The article said Cotton is intelligent. I haven’t seen any signs of it, and I hope I never have the opportunity to do so.

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Renaissance_Man  May 10, 2018 • 6:56:49pm

re: #37 ObserverArt

Jim Jordan has the same eyes. Plus that little pugnacious face.

Invasion of The Politician Snatchers. They are out there!

And yet, all of these people are still better humans than the current president.

Blows your mind, doesn’t it? The citizens of the United States of America, the world’s only superpower and the most powerful nation in the history of the world, thought Donald Trump should be their King.

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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 6:58:11pm
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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 6:58:51pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 10, 2018 • 7:00:01pm

re: #41 Belafon

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Her head is so far up her own ass she can drink each glass of wine twice.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:02:41pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

I thought Perez was in charge of messaging. Then again, how would he get Manchin to stay on message?

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:06:35pm

Pat McCrory, former Governor of North Carolina:

“We’ve become a very segregated political system in Charlotte-Mecklenburg,” an agitated McCrory claimed in the opening of his radio show Wednesday. “The Democratic Party controls every political body in Charlotte-Mecklenburg,” and “the Black Political Caucus has total control over the Democratic Party.” […]

[F]or McCrory, the fact that a black former detective defeated a white incumbent sheriff is proof of some grand conspiracy. “All primaries,” McCrory claimed, are “determined by the Black Political Caucus,” and this group “totally abandoned the white male Democratic sheriff.”

“And not only did the Black Political Caucus bail on him,” the ex-governor continued, “every political leader — the mayor, Lyles, did not peep a word during this election.”

h/t Daily Kos

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:06:44pm

Oh man.

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scottslemmons  May 10, 2018 • 7:09:35pm

re: #39 Renaissance_Man

And yet, all of these people are still better humans than the current president.

Blows your mind, doesn’t it? The citizens of the United States of America, the world’s only superpower and the most powerful nation in the history of the world, thought Donald Trump should be their King.

The NRA just posted a video the other day talking about Trump as their king.

The right really, really, really hates democracy.

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 7:09:50pm

re: #45 MsJ

Oh man.

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I see a pink sneaker with white laces. ??

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:11:10pm

re: #47 retired cynic

I see a pink sneaker with white laces. ??

Gah!

I see gray shoes with mint green laces and swoops. I don’t see pink anywhere.

It’s the dress redux.

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 7:11:25pm

re: #45 MsJ

It’s almost as if there never was a problem with color in imaging…

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scottslemmons  May 10, 2018 • 7:11:39pm

re: #47 retired cynic

I see a pink sneaker with white laces. ??

Really? I see a gray sneaker with light green laces.

It’s a new The Dress!

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Semper Fi  May 10, 2018 • 7:11:42pm

re: #45 MsJ

Oh man.

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Grey with green laces.

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 7:11:53pm

re: #48 MsJ

OMG

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 10, 2018 • 7:11:57pm

re: #48 MsJ

Gah!

I see gray shoes with mint green laces and swoops. I don’t see pink anywhere.

It’s the dress redux.

That’s what I see. I suspect it’s probably actually pink based on the color comparison with the hand holding it. Pictures aren’t always what they seem.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:12:19pm

re: #49 freetoken

It’s almost as if there never was a problem with color in imaging…

What freaks me out is how different people see vastly different things in the same image.

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 7:12:36pm

None of our displays are the same.

This is why professionals in imaging need to work so hard with calibration.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 7:12:54pm

re: #47 retired cynic

I see a pink sneaker with white laces. ??

Oh no. I see a gray sneaker with teal green laces.

I love the internet, but fuck you internet for these color schemes!

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:13:54pm

re: #53 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s what I see. I suspect it’s probably actually pink based on the color comparison with the hand holding it. Pictures aren’t always what they seem.

Pink and white was the other colors people saw. So retired cynic is seeing what they are.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 10, 2018 • 7:13:57pm

re: #55 freetoken

None of our displays are the same.

This is why professionals in imaging need to work so hard with calibration.

This is also why the only way to see what something truly looks like is to look at it. When I was paint shopping for my new bathroom, I started by taking a few images of the paint cards to send to Mrs. Fish on my phone. I stopped, thought about what I was doing for a minute, realized how profoundly stupid that was, and drove back home with the paint cards so she could look at the actual colors.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 7:14:18pm

Is Cohen’s little Collection Agency considered a back channel to the White House?

Didn’t Jared go around many places to establish back channels to Trump?

I think I know what the back channels were all going to be doing for Trump.

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 7:14:24pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Makes you wonder what we see in nature, IRL. I can ask Photoshop to identify the colors…

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:15:15pm

re: #60 retired cynic

Makes you wonder what we see in nature, IRL. I can ask Photoshop to identify the colors…

Do that. I’m curious.

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 7:15:43pm

re: #60 retired cynic

Makes you wonder what we see in nature, IRL. I can ask Photoshop to identify the colors…

Photoshop says pink with white laces.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:16:29pm

re: #48 MsJ

Gah!

I see gray shoes with mint green laces and swoops. I don’t see pink anywhere.

It’s the dress redux.

MsPaint shows the color is nowhere close to white on the laces or the side strips. The RGB values are (156, 196, 188). The sides are RGB(136, 141, 144). Way too much blue to be pink.

Lighting and imaging are everything

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scottslemmons  May 10, 2018 • 7:17:07pm

PURPLE SHOE WITH CHECKERED BLUE AND RED TRIM AND AN INSIDE-OUT NIKE SWOOSH.

THE SHOE IS HELD BY A LARGE GREEN LOBSTER CLAW.

HA HA HA, HUMAN PERCEPTION IS SO WEAK.

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 7:17:11pm

re: #62 retired cynic

Photoshop says pink with white laces.

Sampling the pink near the laces, it is Red 214, Green 187, Blue 191.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 7:17:19pm

re: #49 freetoken

It’s almost as if there never was a problem with color in imaging…

Thank you!

re: #48 MsJ

Consider this. Few of us have calibrated monitors. Those few that do, understand things like color contamination and how it’s impossible to present a consistent color to internet viewers.

Whether you’re aware of the correct terminology or not, you have likely experienced color contamination happening in your photographs already. Put simply, color contamination is when one color is affected by the presence of another color in close proximity.

For example, if you’re photographing two friends side by side, one of them is wearing a white t-shirt and the other one is wearing a red t-shirt, the white t-shirt will likely take on a pinkish tone due to the fact that it’s receiving bounced light from the red t-shirt close by.


petapixel.com
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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:17:43pm

re: #64 scottslemmons

PURPLE SHOE WITH CHECKERED BLUE AND RED TRIM AND AN INSIDE-OUT NIKE SWOOSH.

THE SHOE IS HELD BY A LARGE GREEN LOBSTER CLAW.

HA HA HA, HUMAN PERCEPTION IS SO WEAK.

🤣🤣🤣

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 10, 2018 • 7:17:48pm

I see…

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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 7:18:23pm

Let me post this here while I think of a good retort. Suggestions welcome.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 7:19:15pm

re: #55 freetoken

None of our displays are the same.

This is why professionals in imaging need to work so hard with calibration.

Quick general way to set basic color on any video device. Look at what is supposed to be white and make sure it looks as natural white as can be.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:20:16pm

re: #69 gocart mozart

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 7:20:35pm

re: #61 MsJ

Do that. I’m curious.

I used the Mac color picker on the shoe trim (above the sole), and on the HSB scale the hue is at 165 degrees and saturation is 33%. This means it’s a pale blue-green color.

However, that is the color as determined by my display settings, which I have only calibrated with the Mac’s built-in calibration capability.

A different calibration will make the colors different, as displayed, because that’s what calibration is supposed to do.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 10, 2018 • 7:20:50pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

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ANNUNAKI!! Everybody DRINK!!!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 10, 2018 • 7:21:19pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

ANNUNAKI!! Everybody DRINK!!!!

Nope, not tonight. That’s Saturday night.

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 7:22:36pm

re: #72 freetoken

I used the Mac color picker on the shoe trim (above the sole), and on the HSB scale the color is at 165 degrees and saturation is 33%. This means it’s a pale blue-green color.

However, that is the color as determined by my display settings, which I have only calibrated with the Mac’s built-in calibration capability.

A different calibration will make the colors different, as displayed, because that’s what calibration is supposed to do.

Mine was Photoshop CC on a Mac, with Photoshop doing auto-color.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:23:23pm

I love this!!

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:23:35pm

re: #55 freetoken

None of our displays are the same.

This is why professionals in imaging need to work so hard with calibration.

At the same time, software doesn’t care how out of calibration the monitors are. That’s why I opened it in paint and sampled. The sides are nearly gray, and the laces show a blue-green bias.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 7:23:40pm

re: #62 retired cynic

Photoshop says pink with white laces.

Yes, that is what you see. That is what Photoshop sees. But the lighting on the shoes when the image was taken could carry a huge color cast that distorts the actual colors. Or, someone threw the gamma out on the original image to fuck with the internet.

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BeachDem  May 10, 2018 • 7:23:53pm

re: #32 John_Manyjars

Cotton has that dead-fish look in his eyes…uttterly unconcerned with anyone else’s welfare but his own. I’ve hated him from Day 1.

I always think of Cotton and Scott Walker as twin sons of different mothers. Same blank expression and dead eyes.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:24:22pm

re: #69 gocart mozart

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 7:25:17pm

re: #79 BeachDem

DUDE…

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:25:49pm

re: #78 ObserverArt

Yes, that is what you see. That is what Photoshop sees. But the lighting on the shoes when the image was taken could carry a huge color cast that distorts the actual colors. Or, someone threw the gamma out on the original image to fuck with the internet.

I still see no pink anywhere.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:25:54pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

DUDE…

(I know the jokes been made before) They’re the same person with different lighting.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 7:26:57pm

re: #83 Belafon

(I know the jokes been made before) They’re the same person with different lighting.

It’s the first time I’ve seen the contrast, TBH. It’s… unsettling.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 7:28:25pm

re: #82 MsJ

Can’t I Just White Balance My Shots?

White balance exists on the Kelvin scale that specifically deals with balancing a certain range of colors, so no matter how hard you try, a lot of these color contamination shots simply can’t be fixed with white balance alone, hence the black and white solution.
But more than that, color contamination is often a localized effect. Let’s go back to that white t-shirt that looks a little pink now because it was next to a red one. We can’t color balance the scene to correct the shirt without affecting the whole image. It’s these factors that make color contamination such a troublesome problem and one that is incredibly overlooked.

When I was shooting jewelry for magazines this stuff made me crazy. White gold and diamonds omg grabbed every weird color tone in the room.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:29:12pm

re: #83 Belafon

+100

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 7:29:18pm

re: #82 MsJ

Sometimes changing the “contrast” setting in software is not what needs to be done.

This is why HSB/HSL methods of understanding color are used. Apple uses HSB, Canon uses HSL. The point being, “H” is the hue, and various software tools can change the hue when doing automatic changes like “contrast” or “auto color”.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2018 • 7:29:28pm

re: #72 freetoken

I used the Mac color picker on the shoe trim (above the sole), and on the HSB scale the color is at 165 degrees and saturation is 33%. This means it’s a pale blue-green color.

However, that is the color as determined by my display settings, which I have only calibrated with the Mac’s built-in calibration capability.

A different calibration will make the colors different, as displayed, because that’s what calibration is supposed to do.

I always have to calibrate the color on each different Mac I use, because they must think our sun is Rigel—I swear they ship with a color temperature of 12,000ºK. The actinic blue glare is really painful.

Then whenever I use a PC at the library or wherever, the colors are really weird. Project Gutenberg for example has a yellow background on my Mac, maybe very slightly pinkish, but on a PC it’s lavender.

I guess my point is: Don’t trust any computer on the color of anything.

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 7:33:49pm

re: #88 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yup. For my current (old) iMac, I have done a couple of different calibrations, depending on the light source in my room. Daylight vs. incandescent light.

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BeachDem  May 10, 2018 • 7:34:20pm

re: #44 Belafon

Pat McCrory, former Governor of North Carolina:

h/t Daily Kos

Madison Kimrey showed what a fool McCrory was back in 2013,when she was only 12 years old.

Gov. Pat McCrory (R) was made the fool in late July, when he had to publicly admit he hadn’t read part of a controversial voter identification bill that he planned to sign into law.

“I’m sorry, I haven’t seen that part of the bill,” McCrory told reporters, referring to a section that prohibits 16- and 17-year-olds from preregistering to vote.

The governor signed the bill into law in August.

Months later, “Moral Monday” protests in North Carolina against the state’s conservative agenda continue. When demonstrators gathered on Monday in Burlington, N.C., 12-year-old Madison Kimrey once again made McCrory the fool.

huffingtonpost.com

Maddie’s grown up considerable since then—McCrory on the other hand…

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:34:48pm

re: #85 Unshaken Defiance

When I was shooting jewelry for magazines this stuff made me crazy. White gold and diamonds omg grabbed every weird color tone in the room.

I worked for a company that automated color control at printing presses, and visited a few printing companies. One of them was printing an ad for chocolates for Valentine’s day. The guy was telling me that, when they were negotiating with the customer for color setting, the customer kept trying to turn the chocolate almost blood colored with the amount of red they wanted in the picture.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:36:31pm

Hmmm. I like food that’s very spicy and I have maybe one or two drinks a year.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 7:37:23pm

Here is my quick Photoshop color correction. Mind you…quick!

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whitebeach  May 10, 2018 • 7:37:31pm

re: #85 Unshaken Defiance

When I was shooting jewelry for magazines this stuff made me crazy. White gold and diamonds omg grabbed every weird color tone in the room.

A fashion photog I knew had a big client who did silk stuff. There was this teal blouse that was supposed to sell majorly. But it was hard to capture on film (this was back before digital). Finally after going through damn near every kind of film and filter on earth, my friend got a good match. But then the printers couldn’t duplicate the color in ink for the catalog. The client was a decent and practical sort. In the end he just changed the name of the color in the catalog to something fairly ambiguous (I can’t recall, maybe something like “Mediterranean teal”) and, as far as I know, never had a customer complaint.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:37:58pm

re: #93 ObserverArt

Here is my quick Photoshop color correction. Mind you…quick!

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Now THAT is pink!

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 7:38:08pm

The human experience of “color” is a very complex thing to understand and to reproduce. Everybody who has been involved in color photography and printing has had to face this devil.

Just one more reason to shoot b&w.

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 7:38:12pm

re: #93 ObserverArt

Here is my quick Photoshop color correction. Mind you…quick!

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Yep, that’s about what I got with PS.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 7:38:24pm

re: #95 MsJ

Now THAT is pink!

And the laces are definitely white.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2018 • 7:39:03pm

re: #93 ObserverArt

Here is my quick Photoshop color correction. Mind you…quick!

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That’s pretty much what I see in the original. The white’s a little less bluish.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 7:40:02pm

re: #97 retired cynic

Yep, that’s about what I got with PS.

I went a little bit by the colors in the hand too.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:40:03pm

re: #98 teleskiguy

And the laces are definitely white.

And really, that’s a pretty ugly shoe.

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BeachDem  May 10, 2018 • 7:41:16pm

re: #82 MsJ

I still see no pink anywhere.

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And I see only pink and white everywhere.

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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 7:43:02pm
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BeachDem  May 10, 2018 • 7:43:07pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

It’s the first time I’ve seen the contrast, TBH. It’s… unsettling.

Sorry—I made that combo in 2014 and it has haunted me ever since.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 7:45:35pm

re: #94 whitebeach

I got to work with the people from Gretag Macbeth when the jewelry biz decided real objective color standards and limits were needed to regulate what exactly white gold means. They had the spectrophotometers and the ability to make metallic film samples that could be used as eyeball/sample color guides.

At one of the meeting the guy brought a plastic color sample that was white (ish). It was for workers on the red maraschino cherry factory line to evaluate failed cherry’s. So the numbskull I am I asked why white for red cherries? The answer was this was checking the bleached white color of the semi processed fruit before it went into the red dye. Have not eaten one since.

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William Lewis  May 10, 2018 • 7:48:11pm

re: #96 freetoken

The human experience of “color” is a very complex thing to understand and to reproduce. Everybody who has been involved in color photography and printing has had to face this devil.

Just one more reason to shoot b&w.

Ding Ding Ding!

My color vision is marginal for red/green on top of it. I far prefer working with shades of grey instead. There are many shades of grey and black and white are only two of them ;)

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BeachDem  May 10, 2018 • 7:49:06pm

re: #90 BeachDem

Madison Kimrey showed what a fool McCrory was back in 2013,when she was only 12 years old.

Gov. Pat McCrory (R) was made the fool in late July, when he had to publicly admit he hadn’t read part of a controversial voter identification bill that he planned to sign into law.

“I’m sorry, I haven’t seen that part of the bill,” McCrory told reporters, referring to a section that prohibits 16- and 17-year-olds from preregistering to vote.

The governor signed the bill into law in August.

Months later, “Moral Monday” protests in North Carolina against the state’s conservative agenda continue. When demonstrators gathered on Monday in Burlington, N.C., 12-year-old Madison Kimrey once again made McCrory the fool.

huffingtonpost.com

Maddie’s grown up considerable since then—McCrory on the other hand…

Quoting myself for the rest of the story—Maddie vowed to bring back pre-registration by the time she was 16. It was restored in 2016, so she did it with a year to spare!

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 7:50:10pm

re: #105 Unshaken Defiance

I got to work with the people from Gretag Macbeth when the jewelry biz decided real objective color standards and limits were needed to regulate what exactly white gold means. They had the spectrophotometers and the ability to make metallic film samples that could be used as eyeball/sample color guides.

At one of the meeting the guy brought a plastic color sample that was white (ish). It was for workers on the red maraschino cherry factory line to evaluate failed cherry’s. So the numbskull I am I asked why white for red cherries? The answer was this was checking the bleached white color of the semi processed fruit before it went into the red dye. Have not eaten one since.

Gold anything can be a real color killer. You can go from white in the highlights to bad brown in any shadow.

My challenge many times was completely black plastic auto parts. Giving them dimension can be tricky.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 7:51:01pm

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The Vicious Babushka  May 10, 2018 • 7:51:27pm

Here is Maxine Waters being a BADASS

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 10, 2018 • 7:51:59pm

I found out where this Trump Nobel Prize talk came from: Republicans overheard “no bail” at Mueller’s office and ran with it.

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retired cynic  May 10, 2018 • 7:52:21pm

re: #108 ObserverArt

Gold anything can be a real color killer. You can go from white in the highlights to bad brown in any shadow.

My challenge many times was completely black plastic auto parts. Giving them dimension can be tricky.

We had horses, and the black horses were absolutely killers every time. If you have a good, slick, shiny coat, it can reflect every color. I aim for human skin tones if available.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 10, 2018 • 7:52:34pm

Oh and on the shoes:

When I first saw the pic I saw the grey and mint green, then someone mentioned pink and white and I looked again…and fuck me if it wasn’t pink and white to me too.

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 7:53:53pm

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Digital cameras have settings for color temperature, in an attempt to adjust for color source.

But our eye-brain system works differently. What we “see” is really a creation of the brain based on signals from the eye that get manipulated.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 7:55:34pm

I got a reply from the guy who is claiming racism against whites:

He is so pathetic.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 7:56:19pm

re: #106 William Lewis

Ding Ding Ding!

My color vision is marginal for red/green on top of it. I far prefer working with shades of grey instead. There are many shades of grey and black and white are only two of them ;)

Then you are surely an Ansel Adams fan and know his zone system.

By the way, I did see an original Ansel Adams exhibit of about 50 prints once. It was amazing. That guy lived for the right light to shoot one of his sheet film cameras.

He had a depth of field in one desert shot I remember that allowed you to look at the individual stones and sand in foreground to the mountains rock edges in the distance.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 10, 2018 • 7:56:55pm

re: #114 freetoken

Digital cameras have settings for color temperature, in an attempt to adjust for color source.

But our eye-brain system works differently. What we “see” is really a creation of the brain based on signals from the eye that get manipulated.

It doesn’t help that people call high color temperatures “cool” and low color temperatures “warm”. I’ve never figured that out….

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 7:58:32pm

Refrigerators.

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gocart mozart  May 10, 2018 • 8:00:05pm
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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 8:01:09pm

re: #118 MsJ

Refrigerators.

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Maybe oven would be a better simile. /

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 10, 2018 • 8:04:24pm

More Republican class. These people are monsters. Payback will be the mother of all bitches when Texas turns blue, as it will.
Fox Business guest says torture “worked on John McCain.”

In the annals of bad TV takes, it’s going to be hard to beat the one offered by a Fox Business guest earlier today: Torture works, and he knows tortures works because it made John McCain cough up sensitive information during the years he spent as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

“It worked on John [McCain],” retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney said during a Thursday appearance on the Fox Business Network. “That’s why they call him ‘Songbird John.’”

But let’s be clear: Torture didn’t work on McCain — not even close.

Here’s McCain’s account of being tortured in his book Faith of My Fathers: “Pressed for more useful information, I gave the names of the Green Bay Packers’ offensive line, and said they were members of my squadron.”

As Lawfare’s Susan Hennessey pointed out on Twitter, McCain also “refused early release from a prison camp where he was tortured so as not to leave his men behind.”

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:07:00pm

This fucking guy.

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ObserverArt  May 10, 2018 • 8:07:43pm

re: #114 freetoken

Digital cameras have settings for color temperature, in an attempt to adjust for color source.

But our eye-brain system works differently. What we “see” is really a creation of the brain based on signals from the eye that get manipulated.

Light is heat, that is the physics mom nature uses. Each color carries a K (Kelvin) number. That is how digital cameras work. The charged particles on the sensor react to the K rating each sees and then makes pixels in that color range. Immediately you have a number that can be used digitally to represent the image when you open the digital file. All those pixels have a number behind them.

Amazingly, it does that conversion about as fast as a human eye sees color too.

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whitebeach  May 10, 2018 • 8:10:56pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More Republican class. These people are monsters. Payback will be the mother of all bitches when Texas turns blue, as it will.
Fox Business guest says torture “worked on John McCain.”

One of the most sickening things in American politics, where there are many sickening things, is the Republicans’ continual and repeated smearing of veterans who have been wounded in service or tortured in captivity but who somehow don’t agree with every damn verse of the RWNJ creed. Fuck these nazi bastards. I hope the future comes down hard and soon on them.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 8:11:50pm

re: #115 Belafon

I got a reply from the guy who is claiming racism against whites:

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He is so pathetic.

That was even more pathetic than expected.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 8:13:30pm
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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:15:46pm

This is an excerpt from a book coming out tomorrow. fascinating.

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 8:17:34pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 10, 2018 • 8:19:21pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

McInerney is the same jackass who suggested on Faux News that MH-370 could have been flow to Pakistan so it could serve as a delivery system for atomic bombs. Pakistan has many, many specially designed planes and missiles for this purpose, but the average Faux dupe would not know that, and conspiracies are profitable.

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 8:21:36pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 10, 2018 • 8:26:28pm

re: #21 ObserverArt

Good.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:28:36pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 10, 2018 • 8:32:34pm

re: #36 Kragar

Trump is “President” so if racism against Whites has gone up, he’s to blame. Idiot.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:36:49pm

I hate this guy but Mother Jones is usually solid.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:41:08pm

LOL!!

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jaunte  May 10, 2018 • 8:43:40pm

re: #130 Kragar

Why can’t people with poor reasoning skills win debates?

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jaunte  May 10, 2018 • 8:45:58pm

Think of how many people are out there mocking SJWs but just love watching them some Captain America.

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2018 • 8:47:21pm

As someone with a masters degree in photography I always get a kick out of that time of year when the internet people discover the color wheel all over again.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 8:52:59pm

re: #138 goddamnedfrank

I think it’s annoying, distracting. And on a subtle level malicious on some fuckers’ part.

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MsJ  May 10, 2018 • 8:55:46pm
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jaunte  May 10, 2018 • 8:58:59pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2018 • 9:05:03pm

To be fair I’m pretty sure there’s a new twist in that shoe pic.

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mmmirele  May 10, 2018 • 9:05:26pm

re: #135 MsJ

LOL!!

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I loved this. It showed real imagination on the part of the student, and guts to carry it through even though s/he probably thought, “The teacher is going to hate this.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 10, 2018 • 9:06:07pm

re: #55 freetoken

None of our displays are the same.

This is why professionals in imaging need to work so hard with calibration.

The variation isn’t in the display, it’s in our heads. I saw a pink shoe with white laces, and after I blinked, I saw a grey shoe with unnaturally green laces.

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jaunte  May 10, 2018 • 9:07:21pm

re: #144 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

And I can’t force myself to see anything but pink shoe, white laces, which means I’m probably a little colorblind.

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TedStriker  May 10, 2018 • 9:14:05pm

re: #140 MsJ

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All hail Odo!

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 9:20:33pm
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Unshaken Defiance  May 10, 2018 • 9:23:49pm

re: #147 Kragar

LOL

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TedStriker  May 10, 2018 • 9:25:48pm

re: #146 TedStriker

All hail Odo!

Auberjonois has had a pretty good career; I can’t think of a role I’ve seen him in that wasn’t fantastic, from the first screen iteration of Father Mulcahy (“Dago Red”) in Altman’s M*A*S*H to the smarmy chief-of-staff Endicott in Benson to Odo in DS9.

Note: Odo was not Auberjonois’ first Star Trek role; he first played Starfleet Col. West in ST VI: The Undiscovered Country, who was part of the faction opposed to the peace process with the Klingons and who was killed by Scotty at the movie’s climax when he tried to assassinate the Federation president (Kurtwood Smith; another actor I’ve never seen in a bad role) at the Khitomer Conference, disguised as a Klingon.

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 9:30:22pm
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BeachDem  May 10, 2018 • 9:31:25pm

Okay—this is a few days old, but I do love it anyway.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:39:24pm

re: #151 BeachDem

Okay—this is a few days old, but I do love it anyway.

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And unlike Nina, he can’t complain about name recon.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:40:42pm

re: #150 Kragar

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Well that legitimately creeps me. All the more reason to stop him.

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 9:43:30pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 9:45:33pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Well that legitimately creeps me. All the more reason to stop him.

Wasn’t he just pulling our chains? He likes to ramble on — and try to provoke those who dislike him. He knows that these statements will divert us from the real harm he’s doing.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 9:45:50pm

re: #147 Kragar

Yeah, he’s not going to get two terms. Hopefully, he won’t finish the first.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 9:47:06pm

Weird wild stuff about dark matter! Thread.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 9:47:26pm

It will be interesting watching him get dragged out of the White House.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:49:30pm

re: #155 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t he just pulling our chains? He likes to ramble on — and try to provoke those who dislike him. He knows that these statements will divert us from the real harm he’s doing.

I have no idea anymore.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:50:46pm

Yeah re: #158 Belafon

It will be interesting watching him get dragged out of the White House.

He’d look great in an orange jumpsuit.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 9:50:46pm

In some respects, he makes me think of what Scalia was sounding like at the end of his days.

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Belafon  May 10, 2018 • 9:51:15pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Yeah

He’d look great in an orange jumpsuit.

Or a straightjacket.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 9:51:29pm

Logging in to tell everyone I’m safe.

My town was hit by an approximately two-mile wide tornado shortly after I logged in here this afternoon (estimated to be an F1).

There is all sorts of tornado chasing video up on YouTube. One is below.

The electricity was just restored to my block, but the rest of the town is still down.

I am amazed my Internet service is up.

I spent the afternoon after the storm passed looking for people as there are several trees down on houses or cars … apparently no one was injured.

Broadwater, NE Tornado Warned Storm And Damage - 5/10/2018

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 9:54:04pm

re: #162 Belafon

Or a straightjacket.

Works for me too.

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 9:54:51pm

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Surprised to see such a large storm, as the conditions were not thought (in the prior days) favorable to expect tornadoes today.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 9:58:26pm

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Fella, glad you are OK!!!!!

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 10:00:13pm

Watched a documentary from a couple of years ago, Mao’s Great Famine, there is a book by the same title and that author does appear in this documentary too:

Mao’s Great Famine

Worth watching for several reasons, one of which is how the past can be intentionally hidden by those who have much to lose, or who think they have much to lose, if the past gets revealed.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 10:00:36pm

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Glad to hear you’re ok and that the townspeople survived the hit. Hopefully the damage is limited.

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uriel  May 10, 2018 • 10:01:57pm

re: #45 MsJ

If you open it in photoshop and use the color picker, It’s pretty clearly a light pink shoe with light greenish piping and laces. It also looks like exactly that, if your monitor is calibrated correctly.

The problem is if you look at it on an un-calibrated monitor in a program that does a crappy job of rendering colors (like a twitter page)- which is what the vast majority of the people are doing- it’s likely to look like all sorts of things.

Someone on the thread mentioned that the white-balance is off, and if you adjust it, it looks pink and white. Although the white balance is terrible, and they may well be pink and white in real life, if you adjust it you are changing the colors in the *picture*- changing the white balance enough, they look yellow and orange. But, we’re not being asked to evaluate the colors in real life, were being asked to evaluate the picture presented.

This whole “what color is it” phenomenon is largely fueled by bad monitors showing badly lit photos with poor rendering engines.

(Sorry, my inner pedant kicked in.)

Edited to add: What Freetoken said, but, you know, much, much longer.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 10:02:24pm

She rented an apartment owned by Slumlord Sean.

Then came the bedbugs, late rent and eviction…

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:04:16pm

re: #170 Joe Bacon 🌹

She rented an apartment owned by Slumlord Sean.

Then came the bedbugs, late rent and eviction…

washingtonpost.com

Somehow I don’t think Lumpy gave a fuck about taking care of the property he owned and just saw a quick buck.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 10:04:29pm

re: #165 freetoken

Surprised to see such a large storm, as the conditions were not thought (in the prior days) favorable to expect tornadoes today.

I have photos that I took for the state Emergency Management Agency (which are more detailed than the YouTube videos).

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 10:08:16pm
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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:09:41pm

re: #173 Kragar

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This kid is a fucking moron.

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jaunte  May 10, 2018 • 10:11:32pm

re: #173 Kragar

Why does this damp unformed manikin have a blue checkmark?

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:12:15pm

re: #175 jaunte

Why does this damp unformed manikin have a blue checkmark?

He’s a really dumb man’s Shapiro.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 10:13:28pm

re: #175 jaunte

Sweet sweet clicks for twitter•com.

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uriel  May 10, 2018 • 10:13:30pm

re: #117 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It doesn’t help that people call high color temperatures “cool” and low color temperatures “warm”. I’ve never figured that out….

If you think about it, it makes sense: the light in summer and warm climbs tends toward a more yellowish cast, where in winter and cold climates, it tends towards blue. Think about the color cast an hour or so before sunset. It’s a subjective thing, and only loosely attached to the scientific explination.

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HappyWarrior  May 10, 2018 • 10:14:02pm

But yeah all these young white dude conservative types are the same crap and no originality at all.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 10:15:43pm

I’ll try to upload my tornado damage photos in a minute. I need to transfer them from my camera.

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jaunte  May 10, 2018 • 10:16:17pm

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

I’m glad everyone’s ok up there.

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teleskiguy  May 10, 2018 • 10:17:38pm

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

That’s heavy, dude. Glad things are on the up and up there in Broadwater.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 10, 2018 • 10:22:48pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

This kid is a fucking moron.

Every Trump supporter is the same; they read the same playbook and parrot the same lies.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 10:34:55pm

re: #181 jaunte

re: #182 teleskiguy

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

Thanks. There appear to be no injuries in the village, just property damage. Outside of town there are a bunch of flipped over centre-pivot irrigation systems, and a brand new Quonset hut building put up on a ranch for equipment storage that exploded (we have metal shrapnel in the streets).

When the tornado hit, I called a friend who works at Offutt AFB in Omaha, when he answered the telephone I exclaimed, “What the fuck just hit us out here?”

He got on the radar set and noted we’d been hit by a building supercell, which almost had a hook echo (he said it looked like a shrimp on radar).

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piratedan  May 10, 2018 • 10:36:40pm

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹

am guessing you’ll have to test the water again…. //////

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2018 • 10:38:33pm

re: #169 uriel

If you open it in photoshop and use the color picker, It’s pretty clearly a light pink shoe with light greenish piping and laces. It also looks like exactly that, if your monitor is calibrated correctly.

It may look that way but that’s not the story the numbers tell. Stop looking with your eyes, stop assuming that your calibration is spot on for the current viewing conditions and never assume that your brain is interpreting things correctly. Human visual perception is the cludged together end product of millions of years of natural selection at the mercy of hasty and I think if we’re being honest, mostly regrettable, sex. Almost none of it makes sense. The best art handler I’ve ever known was color blind and he got so good because he knew to never trust his eyes or brain but instead knew to put his faith in the numbers because the numbers don’t lie.

If you still don’t believe me open the original image file -> go to Image -> Adjustments -> Hue / Saturation -> Crank the Saturation Slider to the max. If those pixels were “pink” then cranking the saturation all the way up should make them appear Red. But they don’t go Red, do they.

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 10:47:07pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 10:47:44pm

re: #3 Patricia Kayden

Trump supporters are bigoted idiots. Can’t wait for Mueller to finish his investigation and hopefully bring an end to this administration.

too optimistic. All Mueller can do is present charges that are so clear-cut and damning that Congress has to act on them or appear complicit in itself.

But there is no telling what sort of motivation drives the people who run Congress these days or how they will seek to deal with the results of the investigation. I would at least like to see Trump’s business dealings subjected to scrutiny, but even then, I can imagine that he is already working to park his assets safely before they are all confiscated as part of a post-Presidential RICO case.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 10, 2018 • 10:48:06pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 10:48:23pm

Note how further down you go in the comic the more Giuliani looks like Simon Barsinister from the classic Underdog cartoons!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 10:49:13pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

my 8-year-old just told me she would never take a spouse’s last name “unless they had the last name Skull”

might wanna reconsider if your own name is “Numb”…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 10, 2018 • 10:50:11pm

Climate change hoax update.

Lubbock is still at 1.1” precipitation for the year, in fact since last November 8. This is the worst drought in the city’s history and very close to the driest 6 months in any top 100 US city in RECORDED HISTORY. The yokel Trumpist media and sycophant politicians decry the drought but have little or nothing to say about how extreme it really is. It is much worse than the Dust Bowl of the 1930s, for example. Lubbock was the second largest town in the original Dust Bowl, after Amarillo. It is now the largest.

Here at Mineral Wells, we are at 10.8 inches for the year which is about 30% lower than the average for this date.

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Kragar  May 10, 2018 • 10:51:22pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 10:51:38pm

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Climate change hoax update.

Lubbock is still at 1.1” precipitation for the year, in fact since last November 8. This is the worst drought in the city’s history and very close to the driest 6 months in any top 100 US city in RECORDED HISTORY. The yokel Trumpist media and sycophant politicians decry the drought but have little or nothing to say about how extreme it really is. It is much worse than the Dust Bowl of the 1930s, for example. Lubbock was the second largest town in the original Dust Bowl, after Amarillo. It is now the largest.

Here at Mineral Wells, we are at 10.8 inches for the year which is about 30% lower than the average for this date.

Has Governor TexAssHole ordered a Statewide Day of Prayer like Dick P did?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 10:52:19pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

Giuliani: Media should “calm down” about Cohen payments

I can see how this is the Perfect Storm:; the media are not going to give up on this because it is about sex and money.

And if it were really only about what two consenting adults do for fun in their spare time, then it really should not be anybody’s business.

But it has also opened the door to investigating a whole lot of irregularities and activities that go beyond adult play time.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 10:58:25pm

Shameless page promotion:

Tornado Damage in Broadwater, Nebr. (photo array, goes to the right-hand column of LGF)

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:00:05pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:01:12pm

re: #49 freetoken

It’s almost as if there never was a problem with color in imaging…

or that human color vision varies among individuals or that monitors and displays also vary in quality…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:01:33pm

re: #54 MsJ

What freaks me out is how different people see vastly different things in the same image.

like photos of the inauguration?

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2018 • 11:02:58pm

re: #197 JordanRules

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I think there’s one asian lady in the back row, five in from the right.

So, y’know, totally diverse crowd there.

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2018 • 11:04:32pm

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

or that human color vision varies among individuals or that monitors and displays also vary in quality…

Human visual perception is complete fuckery. It’s honestly a miracle this shit works at all.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:05:12pm

re: #200 goddamnedfrank

I think there’s one asian lady in the back row, five in from the right.

So, y’know, totally diverse crowd there.

Ha!

Me to her: Sis, are you okay?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:06:25pm

re: #96 freetoken

The human experience of “color” is a very complex thing to understand and to reproduce. Everybody who has been involved in color photography and printing has had to face this devil.

Just one more reason to shoot b&w.

I had a film student explain to me (back in the days before digital reprocessing) that the advantage of a b&w film was that you could control the outcome better and get it “right”: working with color just left too many things to chance: the quality of the film & processing, the lighting, etc.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:06:36pm
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majii  May 10, 2018 • 11:06:46pm

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) “Giuliani: Media should “calm down” about Cohen payments”

Giuliani wasn’t thinking this way when he went on to Hannity’s program and started running his mouth, making no topic sacred. Rudy’s engaged in cleaning up the mess he created. It appeared to me that he felt so comfortable on Fox that he felt he could talk about anything because he was talking to “his” people. That’s pile of sh*t on the floor is the one he left there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:08:12pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I found out where this Trump Nobel Prize talk came from: Republicans overheard “no bail” at Mueller’s office and ran with it.

regret only one upding to give, etc…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:09:02pm

re: #118 MsJ

Hawaii’s Kilauea Volcano Could Spew Boulders the Size of Refrigerators Kilauea volcano has been spitting and sputtering lava for a week

yes, but what color are the refrigerators?

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:10:33pm

WTF

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:11:33pm

re: #122 MsJ

This fucking guy.

daughter and I sat down to learn this song the other week, from 1990 but topical today as ever:

They Might Be Giants: Your Racist Friend *Studio Version & Lyrics*

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 10, 2018 • 11:14:44pm

re: #197 JordanRules

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 11:16:07pm

Pretty much the state of things we are now in, with the religious right becoming Trump’s champions of cruelty:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:19:57pm

re: #143 mmmirele

I loved this. It showed real imagination on the part of the student, and guts to carry it through even though s/he probably thought, “The teacher is going to hate this.”

I did something like that, but only to accompany the real assignment. I seem to recall having to write about Russian Symbolists and doing a Philomena Cunk thing about how “Symbolists used symbols to symbolically symbolize things that were meant to be something else and not what they actually were because they were actually symbols. Hence the name…etc.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:22:07pm

re: #154 Kragar

Trump now drawing cheers for suggesting he get an “extension” on his presidency past 8 years. Says the media would probably be okay with it. “When I’m not here, their ratings are going to sink.”

scary thing is that he is probably right about the last part of that statement

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freetoken  May 10, 2018 • 11:26:41pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:26:54pm

re: #201 goddamnedfrank

Human visual perception is complete fuckery. It’s honestly a miracle this shit works at all.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:31:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 11:32:28pm

Broadwater Cleaning Up After Tornado Strikes Community (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr Star-Herald, more at the link):

Residents in the area of Broadwater are cleaning up after a tornado struck Thursday.

The National Weather Service in Cheyenne was taking reports of damage in the area after a tornado went through the area in the early evening.

“We have had some reports of damage from emergency management (officials) and are starting to receive pictures of damage on our social media accounts,” Jeff Garmon, meterologist, said. “Mostly, reports of damage are in the form of power lines snapped, trees down, and some metal buildings, like a tractor shed, damaged. We also had a report of windows blown out of a house.”

Bambi Loxterkamp, a Star-Herald employee who lives near Broadwater, said that at about 7 p.m., people from the community were checking in at the local fire hall to report damages to emergency response officials. “People are reporting quite a lot of damage,” Loxterkamp said. “Lots of power lines down, windows broken and roofs ripped off. We (the Loxterkamps) lost two of our eight pivots. Several farmers lost all of their pivots.”

Power was also out in the community, as of Thursday evening, and Wheat Belt Public Power District was reporting that crews would be working into the night to repair lines and restore power. A Facebook post from Wheat Belt reported that the most significant damage had occurred in the northern part of its system.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 10, 2018 • 11:32:32pm

re: #216 JordanRules

that is my kind of humor

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2018 • 11:36:07pm

True story.

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goddamnedfrank  May 10, 2018 • 11:43:50pm
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uriel  May 10, 2018 • 11:44:54pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

I’m not going by my eye- I’m using the color picker, like I said. And the color picker is pretty consistently in the very pale red/orange spectrum. Using the the color picker at 11 x 11 yields, for example: R: 181 G:156 B:145. So, maybe not pink-pink, but definitely not gray. I suppose “dirty cartoon white person pinkish beige” might be closer to the mark.

Not trying to be argumentative.

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:50:07pm
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uriel  May 10, 2018 • 11:50:40pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

Human visual perception is the cludged together end product of millions of years of natural selection at the mercy of hasty and I think if we’re being honest, mostly regrettable, sex.

Also, this is probably the funniest thing I’ve read today. Maybe all week.

It’s funny, of course, because it’s true.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 10, 2018 • 11:51:24pm

I hear the sound of a train again …

This time it might actually be a train. /s

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:51:55pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 10, 2018 • 11:53:02pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

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JordanRules  May 10, 2018 • 11:56:13pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

True story.

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The Gentriflyer

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 11, 2018 • 12:08:28am

re: #226 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Mine is trained to fend off burglars and uninvited dogs.

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Kragar  May 11, 2018 • 12:15:55am

re: #228 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Cats in Tanks

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goddamnedfrank  May 11, 2018 • 12:16:17am

re: #221 uriel

Using the the color picker at 11 x 11 yields, for example: R: 181 G:156 B:145.

I honestly have no idea where or how you’re getting those numbers. They’re massively off from what I’m getting which is mostly neutral with a blue bias everywhere but at the bottom where it goes at most two points red. Weird.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 12:17:40am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 12:24:03am
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Single-handed sailor  May 11, 2018 • 12:26:48am

The latest Trump Hotel Franchisee

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 12:29:07am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹

White House official mocked McCain in meeting: “It doesn’t matter, he’s dying anyway”

Trump only likes people who are not captured by the Grim Reaper.

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Single-handed sailor  May 11, 2018 • 12:36:34am

North Korea is starting to ramp up the rhetoric again after a few weeks of quiet.

U.S. Should Refrain from Acts and Words Marring Atmosphere of Dialogue


The U.S. is playing down the historic significance of the inter-Korean summit at Panmunjom and the April 27 declaration, created by the proactive efforts of the DPRK, with such assertion that it is “result of maximum pressure” and “sustained sanctions and pressure should be maintained”.

It is a stupid behavior just like a saying that curses, like chickens, come home to roost.

The world people are regarding such senseless remarks and behavior as the revelation of uneasiness and impatience of those who fear the anti-DPRK sanctions and pressure might break into pieces in a moment by the trend of the international community actively supporting the summit and declaration.

It is clear that those calling for “tightened and sustained sanctions and pressure” will not be welcomed wherever they go but meet failure and disgrace only, today when the improvement of the inter-Korean relations and détente and peace on the Korean peninsula have become an irresistible trend.

The U.S. is persistently clinging to the hostile policy toward the DPRK, misleading the public opinion. Such behavior may result in endangering the security of its own country.

Besides, such impudent action against its partner of dialogue when the mutual confidence is required ahead of it will not be good for the U.S., but will put it in a more difficult situation.

The U.S. should refrain from making words and acts that may destroy the hard-won atmosphere of dialogue. It should be aware that doing so will benefit itself, too, and make every effort to show its sincerity in line with the present situation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 12:42:43am

re: #235 Single-handed sailor

North Korea is starting to ramp up the rhetoric again after a few weeks of quiet.

I hope they treat Donald Trump as well as they treated their US prisoners…

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uriel  May 11, 2018 • 12:49:38am

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

I honestly have no idea where or how you’re getting those numbers. They’re massively off from what I’m getting which is mostly neutral with a blue bias everywhere but at the bottom where it goes at most two points red. Weird.

This is (roughly) the area I was looking at.

(Admittedly, there are a lot of compression artifacts that might be influencing my exact numbers.)

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teleskiguy  May 11, 2018 • 12:57:40am

Hey all! Uh, how’s it goin’?

Giphy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 1:02:43am

re: #238 teleskiguy

“The President never said that!”

- “We have it here on video!”

“But that is not what he meant when he said that!”

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goddamnedfrank  May 11, 2018 • 1:04:10am

re: #235 Single-handed sailor

North Korea is starting to ramp up the rhetoric again after a few weeks of quiet.

Yep, they’ve pretty much already gotten everything they wanted in terms of legitimacy by getting the US President to agree to a face-to-face summit. Now it’s time to use the leverage that provides to make the US look like the real obstacle to peace, which resonates perfectly with decades of NK propaganda.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 1:05:51am

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

Yep, they’ve pretty much already gotten everything they wanted in terms of legitimacy by getting the US President to agree to a face-to-face summit. Now it’s time to use the leverage that provides to make the US look like the real obstacle to peace, which resonates perfectly with decades of NK propaganda.

and is not that far from the truth in light of the Iran deal

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Teukka  May 11, 2018 • 1:08:03am

Morning music this side of the pond: Evanescence - Imperfection

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 11, 2018 • 1:11:51am

1967 Sad document from Apollo 1. Iirc, the government discontinued these death notice telegrams in favor of personal visits later that year.

Facebook Post

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 1:20:22am

Tonight’s mood music due to today’s weather here:

Pete Seeger - My Oklahoma Home Blowed Away

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 1:21:29am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 1:24:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 1:27:07am

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹

Oliver North vows to “counterpunch” Parkland students, complains NRA is victim of “civil terrorism”

they have been in the Echo Chamber for so long that they cannot hear what these words sound like to normal people.

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Teukka  May 11, 2018 • 1:30:29am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they have been in the Echo Chamber for so long that they cannot hear what these words sound like to normal people.

Correction: They’ve been in the Echo Chamber(tm) so long that they can’t see what their actions look like to normal people.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 1:31:15am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they have been in the Echo Chamber for so long that they cannot hear what these words sound like to normal people.

What the heck does “civil terrorism” even mean? They’re just throwing words together to make it sound like victims. No one has done any harm to the NRA or its members.

The issue here seems to be they have so long had no significant opposition they think they have a right to no opposition.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 1:34:06am

re: #250 Anymouse 🌹

What the heck does “civil terrorism” even mean? They’re just throwing words together to make it sound like victims. No one has done any harm to the NRA or its members.

The issue here seems to be they have so long had no significant opposition they think they have a right to no opposition.

They have been able to control the discussion and define the terms of engagement that they are upset that they have been upstaged by a handful of high school students who just happen to be upset about seeing their classmates slaughtered.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 1:36:44am

My wife notes today was her fifth tornado. Three of them married to me.

For me this is my fourth.

I’m really tired of that. I guess I’ll move to an earthquake fault or a volcano.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 1:37:50am
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freetoken  May 11, 2018 • 1:42:20am

Seems like everyday I have to block new twitter followers who are involved in cryptocurrency scams.

And now this, someone is copying my username ever so slightly:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 1:48:53am

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹

My wife notes today was her fifth tornado. Three of them married to me.

For me this is my fourth.

I’m really tired of that. I guess I’ll move to an earthquake fault or a volcano.

I grew up in Indiana, but close enough to Lake Michigan that we were out of the tornado zone.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 1:50:28am

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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2018 • 1:53:35am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 1:54:34am

re: #257 Dave In Austin

Grabapuss Rex

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 1:55:43am

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹

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I got the wrong tornado. That was a couple weeks ago.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 1:59:28am
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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2018 • 2:12:53am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 2:16:36am

re: #261 Dave In Austin

Gas prices this summer will likely be the highest they’ve been in years

Clearly Obama’s fault because we did not drill enough or build enough pipelines.

/

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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2018 • 2:18:10am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But they are suppose to have their country back now……

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 2:18:33am

re: #261 Dave In Austin

Much winning. So MAGA.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 2:19:38am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Clearly Obama’s fault because we did not drill enough or build enough pipelines.

/

This might actually breathe life again into the push for the Keystone XL Pipeline here. We don’t need that.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 2:25:50am

There are no accidents with guns, only negligence.

Dog shoots man: Iowa pet pulls trigger on owner (Guardian, more at the link):

With best friends like these, who needs enemies?

An Iowa man says his dog inadvertently shot him while they were roughhousing Wednesday.

Richard Remme, 51, of Fort Dodge, told police he was playing with his dog, Balew, on the couch and tossed the dog off his lap. He says when the pit bull-Labrador mix bounded back up, he must have disabled the safety on the gun in his belly band and stepped on the trigger.

The gun fired, striking one of Remme’s legs. He was treated at a hospital and released later that day.

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wheat-dogg  May 11, 2018 • 2:31:55am

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹

Why is anyone wearing a gun in a belly band while sitting on his freaking couch?

Why was the safety off — especially while the gun was in a belly band? That’s just begging for an unfortunate circumstance to occur. (“Ow, my balls!!”)

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freetoken  May 11, 2018 • 2:32:55am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

He seems to be claiming that the dog disabled the safety.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 2:34:33am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

Why is anyone wearing a gun in a belly band while sitting on his freaking couch?

Why was the safety off — especially while the gun was in a belly band? That’s just begging for an unfortunate circumstance to occur. (“Ow, my balls!!”)

LOL. I don’t understand why people want to carry a firearm at all. I certainly don’t; my shotgun stays safely locked up unless I intend to use it.

I’m going to retire for the night: I have a long day tomorrow (the penalty of being an elected official in a disaster).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 2:34:52am

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

This might actually breathe life again into the push for the Keystone XL Pipeline here. We don’t need that.

that is a feature, not a bug

not to mention breathing a lot of life into Putin’s oil-based oligarchy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 2:35:45am

re: #268 freetoken

He seems to be claiming that the dog disabled the safety.

right after he ate the fellow’s homework

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 2:41:12am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

Why is anyone wearing a gun in a belly band while sitting on his freaking couch?

Needed to be prepared for an ISIS/gangsta thug/FISA home invasion

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wheat-dogg  May 11, 2018 • 2:45:28am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Needed to be prepared for an ISIS/gangsta thug/FISA home invasion

Iowa is a hotbed for such activity. My daughter could tell you stories that would make your hair stand on end.
/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 2:47:10am

re: #273 wheat-dogg

Iowa is a hotbed for such activity. My daughter could tell you stories that would make your hair stand on end.
/

ISIS
Omama
Wahabists
Anarchists

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wheat-dogg  May 11, 2018 • 2:49:39am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

ISIS
Omama
Wahabists
Anarchists

Steve King is just a cover for what Iowa is really all about.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 2:52:23am

Idiots

Out

Wandering

Around

PS, My dad was born in Iowa

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wheat-dogg  May 11, 2018 • 2:54:24am

re: #276 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Idiots

Out

Wandering

Around

PS, My dad was born in Iowa

My daughter and her hubby are transplants. My granddaughters are natives, but they are young, so there is hope.

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I cannot.  May 11, 2018 • 2:59:57am

re: #268 freetoken

That’s a really good dog.

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A Cranky One  May 11, 2018 • 3:03:47am

re: #278 I cannot.

That’s a really good dog.

They’re all good dogs, I Carrot.

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I cannot.  May 11, 2018 • 3:23:25am

re: #279 A Cranky One

For some reason, that got me to almost fall out of my chair, Croaky One.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 3:39:19am

Just west of town, on US-26 was an overturned truck from the tornado. Just west of town on NE-92 was an overturned irrigation system. (1:11)

5-10-18, Severe Wind Damage, near Broadwater, NE

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 4:27:27am

Jesse Lee Peterson: Vote for Trump or You’re Satan (goes to Utah Outcasts, not safe for work due to magic scary adult words, 10:17)

Mr. Peterson has a caller on his show, and tried (as he frequently does) to equate religion to conservatism. The hosts of Utah Outcasts tear him apart.

Vote Trump or You’re Satan According to Jesse Lee Peterson

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 4:35:18am

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

Jesse Lee Peterson: Vote for Trump or You’re Satan (goes to Utah Outcasts, not safe for work due to magic scary adult words, 10:17)

Mr. Peterson has a caller on his show, and tried (as he frequently does) to equate religion to conservatism. The hosts of Utah Outcasts tear him apart.

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I thank God that he gave our Founding Fathers the wisdom to separate Church and State, because this is the sort of bullshit that you get when you conflate the two.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 4:41:09am

I just drove up to the water tower to inspect it. (The road is closed due to damage, debris, and down power poles, but I am authorised.)

As best as I can tell, the tower appears to have sustained no damage. (No missing rivets or panels, no apparent twisting of the stanchions, &c.)

I’ll be off to bed now. I’m sure my telephone will be ringing off the hook in a few hours.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 4:48:33am

Is there anything that this administration has done that is actually beneficial to the United States or the future of this planet? washingtonpost.com

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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 4:50:09am
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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 4:52:32am

re: #285 Hecuba’s daughter

Is there anything that this administration has done that is actually beneficial to the United States or the future of this planet? washingtonpost.com

The other day I was pleasantly surprised when the Administration vetoed a Kansas proposal to put a three year lifetime limit on people using their Medicaid program.

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b.d.  May 11, 2018 • 5:03:32am

re: #286 Big Beautiful Door

Another story about a Trump supporter surprised to find out that Trump meant it when he promised to eliminate their workforce.

When he said to get rid of the brown people I didn’t think he was talking about mine!!!

Devine says he lost a $100,000 account because he didn’t have enough men to do the job. He’s worried he may be out of business next year if things don’t improve.

Freaking dumbass morons like that got us that other dumbass moron.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 5:03:42am

re: #286 Big Beautiful Door

Another story about a Trump supporter surprised to find out that Trump meant it when he promised to eliminate their workforce.

Trump is just forcing the landscapers to hire “reliable, drug-free Americans” to do their $12-per-hour manual labor…

Where might one be able to find those people?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 5:03:55am

re: #286 Big Beautiful Door

Another story about a Trump supporter surprised to find out that Trump meant it when he promised to eliminate their workforce.

We tried to warn them.

Perhaps that will depress voter turnout in November. People losing their businesses, especially when Trump gets so many H1-B visas himself, is not going to endear the GOP to them.

Turns out racism costs money.

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jeffreyw  May 11, 2018 • 5:05:31am

Imgur


Good morning!

Imgur

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b.d.  May 11, 2018 • 5:06:13am

re: #290 Anymouse 🌹

We tried to warn them.

Perhaps that will depress voter turnout in November. People losing their businesses, especially when Trump gets so many H1-B visas himself, is not going to endear the GOP to them.

Turns out racism costs money.

Well, the bright side is that they won’t be able to afford the gas to get to the polls.

//

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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2018 • 5:06:38am

re: #288 b.d. (Be Best)

Drug testing for a landscaping job.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 5:07:55am

re: #290 Anymouse 🌹

We tried to warn them.

Perhaps that will depress voter turnout in November. People losing their businesses, especially when Trump gets so many H1-B visas himself, is not going to endear the GOP to them.

Turns out racism costs money.

I cannot imagine the thought processes of businesspeople who rely on immigrant visas to vote for an anti-immigrant candidate.

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b.d.  May 11, 2018 • 5:09:46am

re: #293 Dave In Austin

Drug testing for a landscaping job.

As an employer, I’d be more nervous about someone who could pass a drug test who would want that job.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 5:09:49am

re: #293 Dave In Austin

Drug testing for a landscaping job.

Well, that would be necessary, right? Nobody could stand it without some kind of chemical enhancement, so you need to know your workers are sufficiently…medicated!

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b.d.  May 11, 2018 • 5:13:44am

re: #293 Dave In Austin

Drug testing for a landscaping job.

POTHEADS DON’T CUT GRASS, THEY SMOKE IT!!

As if trying to find someone in Kentucky who doesn’t pee opioids either is an easy thing.

I am guessing that these guy’s clients are the ones who have a drug test as a contract condition.

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freetoken  May 11, 2018 • 5:17:22am

Paying a full-timer worker $12/hr for hard labor is why that guy can’t find workers.

So much of the American “dream” depends upon good wages.

And these days $12/hr is not a good wage.

Even in Kentucky.

If you are from El Salvador then making 500 US dollars a week is probably a good opportunity if you can send a couple of hundred dollars of it back home.

Because it’s cheaper to live in El Salvador.

Cheaper than Kentucky.

People will just have to cut their own damn grass.

Well, ok, the dead in the cemetery can’t, but then again, they don’t care.

And why don’t local communities have full time parks staff to do these things for cemeteries?

Oh, that’s right, because the locals have been indoctrinated to believe that taxes are evil.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 5:20:05am

re: #189 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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#OnTheContra! By god that kid is good at this social media stuff.

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b.d.  May 11, 2018 • 5:20:46am

re: #298 freetoken

And why don’t local communities have full time parks staff to do these things for cemeteries?

It could be a private cemetery, I hear people are just dying to get in there…

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freetoken  May 11, 2018 • 5:22:49am

re: #300 b.d. (Be Best)

Americans are fixated on this idea that everywhere needs to be a nicely mowed lawn.

Grass if for goats. Get a couple of mini goats and let them go after the grass.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 5:25:21am

re: #287 Big Beautiful Door

The other day I was pleasantly surprised when the Administration vetoed a Kansas proposal to put a three year lifetime limit on people using their Medicaid program.

So the Kansas state government is even more evil than the current administration? That is difficult to believe.

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I cannot.  May 11, 2018 • 5:31:56am

re: #299 MsJ

They’re trying to use social media against a generation that grew up on social media.

They are so ridiculously outclassed that, were they almost anyone else, I would feel sorry for them…but they’re the NRA, so fuck ‘em.

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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2018 • 5:33:55am

re: #297 b.d. (Be Best)

BUT!!!….. For the most part the opiods are scripted. So a lot of those get a clinical pass. Once again, weed gets scapegoated.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 5:34:13am

re: #298 freetoken

Paying a full-timer worker $12/hr for hard labor is why that guy can’t find workers.

So much of the American “dream” depends upon good wages.

And these days $12/hr is not a good wage.

Even in Kentucky.

If you are from El Salvador then making 500 US dollars a week is probably a good opportunity if you can send a couple of hundred dollars of it back home.

Because it’s cheaper to live in El Salvador.

Cheaper than Kentucky.

People will just have to cut their own damn grass.

Well, ok, the dead in the cemetery can’t, but then again, they don’t care.

And why don’t local communities have full time parks staff to do these things for cemeteries?

Oh, that’s right, because the locals have been indoctrinated to believe that taxes are evil.

I believe the article said he is paying $17 an hour.

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freetoken  May 11, 2018 • 5:37:05am

re: #305 Hecuba’s daughter

I believe the article said he is paying $17 an hour.

The article included information from a couple of different employers. I thought one of them was $12:

Devine says it has been years since he could find enough dependable, drug-free American workers for his $12-an-hour jobs mowing and tending landscapes for cemeteries, shopping centers and apartment complexes across Central Kentucky.

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Dave In Austin  May 11, 2018 • 5:38:05am

re: #305 Hecuba’s daughter

I believe the article said he is paying $17 an hour.

That was another landscape operator. The guy whining pays $12.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 5:38:35am

re: #298 freetoken

It’s more than that.

Seasonal (and migrant) work means that a lot of time you’re out of work.

If you already have a job, then that sort of job is out, even if it pays triple what your job does. (If you took a seasonal job you’d lose your regular job.)

Seasonal labour has always depended on a large number of migrants.

The idea that conservatives have promoted for decades that if we just get rid of the ill eagles there will be lots of new jobs for ‘Muricans is actually a dogwhistle for “we’re racists.”

While the average American might not think too much about how this works, politicians and businesses know exactly how it works. (That’s also why they arrest said ill eagles and deport them [a civil offence] while leaving businesses who hire them alone [a felony].) Reducing the number of H1-A visas means more ill eagles. That means no protections for the workers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 5:38:47am

re: #305 Hecuba’s daughter

I believe the article said he is paying $17 an hour.

Devine says it has been years since he could find enough dependable, drug-free American workers for his $12-an-hour jobs mowing and tending landscapes for cemeteries, shopping centers and apartment complexes across Central Kentucky.

So for years he has hired 20 seasonal workers, mostly from Guatemala, through the U.S. Labor Department’s H2-B “guest worker” program. Importing these workers for a few months cost him an additional $18,000 in fees and expenses beyond their wages, which must be the same as he pays American workers. But that’s the only way he could serve his customers, he says.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 5:40:32am

re: #308 Anymouse 🌹

While the average American might not think too much about how this works, politicians and businesses know exactly how it works. (That’s also why they arrest said ill eagles and deport them [a civil offence] while leaving businesses who hire them alone [a felony].) Reducing the number of H1-A visas means more ill eagles. That means no protections for the workers.

That is part of the Machiavellian Evil that explains why we cannot reform our immigration policies: too many people are benefiting from the status quo.

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 5:41:59am

Stealing from Balloon Juice again:

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 5:42:31am
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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 5:42:44am

re: #306 freetoken

re: #307 Dave In Austin

re: #309 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My bad. Thank you all for the correction. Reading too quickly!

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darthstar  May 11, 2018 • 5:43:13am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 5:46:04am

re: #314 darthstar

My wife suggests a tongue-in-cheek Marxist solution to guns: From each according to his ability (hoarders), to each according to their need (those without).

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 5:47:27am

The sun is rising over our damaged and shaken town. Roads out are still closed so many people won’t be able to go to work.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 5:48:18am

re: #313 Hecuba’s daughter

My bad. Thank you all for the correction. Reading too quickly!

$17 per hour is almost a living wage if you are single and living at home…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 5:48:23am

re: #314 darthstar

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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 5:51:17am

re: #312 Belafon

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Wonderful to see a great woman replace another disgraced man.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 11, 2018 • 5:53:26am

re: #268 freetoken

He seems to be claiming that the dog disabled the safety.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 11, 2018 • 5:54:16am

re: #316 Anymouse 🌹

The sun is rising over our damaged and shaken town. Roads out are still closed so many people won’t be able to go to work.

So glad you guys and presumably your people there are all okay.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 5:59:03am

re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

$17 per hour is almost a living wage if you are single and living at home…

My wife and I live on a lot less. That said, we’re both disabled so such jobs are out for us anyway.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 6:00:08am

re: #321 Unshaken Defiance

So glad you guys and presumably your people there are all okay.

There were no injuries to anyone in the village. Property damage as shown in the photos I uploaded to the right hand column of LGF; everyone is shaken, but okay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 6:00:12am

re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

$17 per hour is almost a living wage if you are single and living at home…

You are living in Nebraska and as I gather have no family to support…Imagine trying to raise a family in NY or CA or even IL or OH on that money.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 6:02:21am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You are living in Nebraska and as I gather have no family to support…Imagine trying to raise a family in NY or CA or even IL or OH on that money.

The only family we have to support is each other, and our postage stamp house.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 6:04:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 6:04:44am

“Family Values” should mean valuing families enough to allow them to raise their children and offer them opportunities for a better life.

Instead it just means abstinence-only sex education…

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Lupin  May 11, 2018 • 6:06:02am

Europe prepares to strike back if the Us tries to impose extra-territorial sanctions re: Iran:

The Guardian

The gossip in Paris is that Macron is miffed. (Served him right for believing he could reason with the orange idiot.) The French and Italians are prepared to promote the notion of retaliatory sanctions against US businesses in europe. The Germans and the French are looking at creating a european-based finance house to oversee euro-denominated transactions with Iran.

European ministers are to meet their Iranian counterparts on Monday to reassure them they intend to preserve the nuclear deal, and resist US sanctions being imposed on European firms trading with Iran.

Even the UK (Bojo) is saying they will work with their “European partners” to do his utmost to protect British business.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 6:09:26am

re: #328 Lupin

Much America First. So winning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 6:09:50am

re: #328 Lupin

Europe prepares to strike back if the Us tries to impose extra-territorial sanctions re: Iran:

The Guardian

DT is about to declare a trade war with the entire world. I cannot see how we can possibly benefit from such a thing.

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Lupin  May 11, 2018 • 6:16:11am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT is about to declare a trade war with the entire world. I cannot see how we can possibly benefit from such a thing.

The notion of a euro-based clearing house is devilishly smart. It, not the individual companies, would process all the transactions with Iran, hence defanging the letter (if not the spirit) of the US sanctions. Also all the transactions would then be denominated in euros instead of in US$, which surely would mean less profit % for the Wall Street banks. Finally the WTO has still to weigh on this; I think they would be likely to rule against the US on extra-territorial sanctions. Yes, they’ll be extra costs and hurt on all sides, but overall Trump would lose. At some point, even his allies on the Monopoly Board are going to want him to go directly to jail and not collect $200. :-)

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Unshaken Defiance  May 11, 2018 • 6:16:28am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT is about to declare a trade war with the entire world. I cannot see how we can possibly benefit from such a thing.

Fixd.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 11, 2018 • 6:17:26am

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 6:18:22am

re: #286 Big Beautiful Door

Another story about a Trump supporter surprised to find out that Trump meant it when he promised to eliminate their workforce.

My favorite part of the story is the last paragraph:

But what makes him most angry is that Trump’s properties in Florida and New York have used 144 H-2B workers since 2016. “I want to know why it’s OK for him to get his workers, but supporters like me don’t get theirs,” Devine said

Because he’s better than you, duh. He’s rich. //

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Unshaken Defiance  May 11, 2018 • 6:19:11am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

Why is anyone wearing a gun in a belly band while sitting on his freaking couch?

Why was the safety off — especially while the gun was in a belly band? That’s just begging for an unfortunate circumstance to occur. (“Ow, my balls!!”)

Gun Safety Class 1:15 pm at NRA meet
“I Used To Have A Penis”

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makeitstop  May 11, 2018 • 6:20:07am

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 6:21:15am

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!
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So, you don’t really want us to do anything, right? //

Buene suerte.

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Lupin  May 11, 2018 • 6:22:11am

For about a year or so I saw our elites * slowly and very gradually move from the previous baseline of “Trump’s America is still our friend” ** to the revelation of “Trump’s America is no longer our friend,” much to their own surprise.

This week, I’m starting to the (still very rare) emergence of “Trump America is our enemy”.

I don’t know how this will end up, but not in a good place, I think.

* Western Europe, mostly France./Germany. Can[‘t speak for the rest.
** And the even put up with Dubya.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 6:22:48am

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 6:24:16am

re: #331 Lupin

The notion of a euro-based clearing house is devilishly smart. It, not the individual companies, would process all the transactions with Iran, hence defanging the letter (if not the spirit) of the US sanctions.

I can only again recommend this book;

Super Sad True Love Story

It describes a post-literate America (we are halfway there) after the currency collapse, dollars are all but worthless and if you want anything beyond the basics to survive on, you need access to Yuan-backed or (Northern) Euro-backed valyuta.(we are a step closer to that as well).

Spoiler: it does end well, either for our protagonist nor the country…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 6:26:23am

re: #338 Lupin

For about a year or so I saw our elites * slowly and very gradually move from the previous baseline of “Trump’s America is still our friend” ** to the revelation of “Trump’s America is no longer our friend,” much to their own surprise.

This week, I’m starting to the (still very rare) emergence of “Trump America is our enemy”.

I don’t know how this will end up, but not in a good place, I think.

* Western Europe, mostly France./Germany. Can[‘t speak for the rest.
** And the even put up with Dubya.

Angela Merkel made it clear as early as last year that they have to seek a new world order without America. If they are called upon to take sides, they will note that Russia and China are ascendant powers while America is no longer, and they also know that Trump and his policies will not be in place forever, especially if they leave America isolated and at a disadvantage.

And the the UK is ready to turn on us, then we are Royally fucked.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 6:26:34am

re: #334 Belafon

My favorite part of the story is the last paragraph:

Because he’s better than you, duh. He’s rich. //

You know — it’s actions like this that may lose him some of his base. Devine actually appeared dismayed by the racism too.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 6:28:01am

nvcbbnerthgfdgrre: #333 The Vicious Babushka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 6:28:48am

re: #342 Hecuba’s daughter

You know — it’s actions like this that may lose him some of his base. Devine actually appeared dismayed by the racism too.

He works with immigrants and knows them as human beings. That does not apply to most racist assholes.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 6:30:30am

A Cohen-splainer from Dr. Rachel Maddow on all the strange payments to Essential Consultants. (22:39)

Dubious Explanations Follow Revelation Of Payments To Michael Cohen | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 6:30:33am

re: #342 Hecuba’s daughter

You know — it’s actions like this that may lose him some of his base. Devine actually appeared dismayed by the racism too.

Why? Most don’t actually read any of the articles…only the headline.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 6:32:18am

I thought Donny liked Trump.

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Lupin  May 11, 2018 • 6:33:08am

re: #341 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Angela Merkel made it clear as early as last year that they have to seek a new world order without America.

As I said, this week is the very first time, ever, that I’m hearing a shift from “without America” (which was already unthinkable 18 months ago) to “against America”, the kind of language that old hardcore lefties used to utter in 1972 against Nixon’s America, but now in the mouths of elite technocrats. That does NOT augur well.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 11, 2018 • 6:35:15am

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹

My wife notes today was her fifth tornado. Three of them married to me.

For me this is my fourth.

I’m really tired of that. I guess I’ll move to an earthquake fault or a volcano.

I really thought you were going to end that with her snarking about you bringing bad luck….

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Sea Mexican!  May 11, 2018 • 6:36:24am

re: #333 The Vicious Babushka

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 6:43:42am

re: #348 Lupin

As I said, this week is the very first time, ever, that I’m hearing a shift from “without America” (which was already unthinkable 18 months ago) to “against America”, the kind of language that old hardcore lefties used to utter in 1972 against Nixon’s America, but now in the mouths of elite technocrats. That does NOT augur well.

Angela does not just say whatever comes to mind and expect her people to sort it out and explain it, if she were to make such an utterance, then she would certainly already have worked through the contingencies…

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PhillyPretzel  May 11, 2018 • 6:45:34am

OT I usually do not relate stories from work because it is not a pleasant job. This one story that I believe most people will appreciate. Right now on most college campuses students are moving out for the summer. The area where I work University of Pennsylvania is no exception. Parents back their vehicles to the curb, load up with their kids stuff and head out. Earlier this week the former VP Joe Biden picked up his grand-daughter. He, like most of the parents there, got his parking permit and registered with the check-in. Within a few minutes he and his grand-daughter were loaded into a large SUV and were headed out of town. I cannot imagine what would have happened if DT did the same. He probably would have had an area within a five mile radius shut down to all traffic and made everyone sign NDA’s as to what he said and did.

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 6:47:17am

re: #352 PhillyPretzel

OT I usually do not relate stories from work because it is not a pleasant job. This one story that I believe most people will appreciate. Right now on most college campuses students are moving out for the summer. The area where I work University of Pennsylvania is no exception. Parents back their vehicles to the curb, load up with their kids stuff and head out. Earlier this week the former VP Joe Biden picked up his grand-daughter. He, like most of the parents there, got his parking permit and registered with the check-in. Within a few minutes he and his grand-daughter were loaded into a large SUV and were headed out of town. I cannot imagine what would have happened if DT did the same. He probably would have had an area within a five mile radius shut down to all traffic and made everyone sign NDA’s as to what he said and did.

And then he would have bragged about being the first grandfather to pick up his college student granddaughter from school.

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PhillyPretzel  May 11, 2018 • 6:48:13am

re: #353 Belafon

You are right. He would do that.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 6:49:08am

re: #352 PhillyPretzel

OT I usually do not relate stories from work because it is not a pleasant job. This one story that I believe most people will appreciate. Right now on most college campuses students are moving out for the summer. The area where I work University of Pennsylvania is no exception. Parents back their vehicles to the curb, load up with their kids stuff and head out. Earlier this week the former VP Joe Biden picked up his grand-daughter. He, like most of the parents there, got his parking permit and registered with the check-in. Within a few minutes he and his grand-daughter were loaded into a large SUV and were headed out of town. I cannot imagine what would have happened if DT did the same. He probably would have had an area within a five mile radius shut down to all traffic and made everyone sign NDA’s as to what he said and did.

Biden always has struck me as a fairly regular guy. That is to say not detached from the average American. Hea always reminded me of my uncle who is around the same age with a similar sense of humor.

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dangerman  May 11, 2018 • 6:51:32am

re: #352 PhillyPretzel

OT I usually do not relate stories from work because it is not a pleasant job. This one story that I believe most people will appreciate. Right now on most college campuses students are moving out for the summer. The area where I work University of Pennsylvania is no exception. Parents back their vehicles to the curb, load up with their kids stuff and head out. Earlier this week the former VP Joe Biden picked up his grand-daughter. He, like most of the parents there, got his parking permit and registered with the check-in. Within a few minutes he and his grand-daughter were loaded into a large SUV and were headed out of town. I cannot imagine what would have happened if DT did the same. He probably would have had an area within a five mile radius shut down to all traffic and made everyone sign NDA’s as to what he said and did.

Trump drive?
Nah
He’d send a team..the biggest and best movers anywhere.

While he was out playing golf
At a trump property

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PhillyPretzel  May 11, 2018 • 6:52:03am

re: #355 HappyWarrior

I agree. The other time I saw him in the same area he was visiting his mother who was at HUP (Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania). He looked concerned but was smiling at almost everyone who walked by him and his small security detachment (two men).

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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 6:54:19am

re: #349 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I really thought you were going to end that with her snarking about you bringing bad luck….

She’s wondering about that as well.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 6:54:44am

re: #357 PhillyPretzel

I agree. The other time I saw him in the same area he was visiting his mother who was at HUP (Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania). He looked concerned but was smiling at almost everyone who walked by him and his small security detachment (two men).

He just seems like a really good guy. I’ve never met him but he just strikes me as someone who loves his family and his country and has a good sense of humor about himself and the world. His and Obama’s almost brotherly like relationship is awesome.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 6:54:53am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 6:56:22am

Off to bed, to the dulcet tones of chain saws.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 6:58:04am

re: #360 MsJ

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 6:59:23am

re: #360 MsJ

Don’t you see, though. Hillary would have made those exact same cuts. //

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 7:00:46am

re: #363 Belafon

Don’t you see, though. Hillary would have made those exact same cuts. //

It would have been worse. //

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mmmirele  May 11, 2018 • 7:02:21am

re: #267 wheat-dogg

Why is anyone wearing a gun in a belly band while sitting on his freaking couch?

Why was the safety off — especially while the gun was in a belly band? That’s just begging for an unfortunate circumstance to occur. (“Ow, my balls!!”)

Reminds me of the neighbor of a coworker. He’d wander around the neighborhood, wearing shorts (no shirt) and with a gun tucked in his waistband. Seriously, that was an accident waiting to happen.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 7:03:09am

re: #365 mmmirele

Reminds me of the neighbor of a coworker. He’d wander around the neighborhood, wearing shorts (no shirt) and with a gun tucked in his waistband. Seriously, that was an accident waiting to happen.

Owning the libs with irresponsible gun safety.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:06:15am
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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:06:45am

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Owning the libs with irresponsible gun safety.

More of that!

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Mattand  May 11, 2018 • 7:08:02am

re: #367 MsJ

You forgot “Rally signs with grammar that would embarrass an eight-year-old.”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 7:08:22am

re: #352 PhillyPretzel

OT I usually do not relate stories from work because it is not a pleasant job. This one story that I believe most people will appreciate. Right now on most college campuses students are moving out for the summer. The area where I work University of Pennsylvania is no exception. Parents back their vehicles to the curb, load up with their kids stuff and head out. Earlier this week the former VP Joe Biden picked up his grand-daughter. He, like most of the parents there, got his parking permit and registered with the check-in. Within a few minutes he and his grand-daughter were loaded into a large SUV and were headed out of town. I cannot imagine what would have happened if DT did the same. He probably would have had an area within a five mile radius shut down to all traffic and made everyone sign NDA’s as to what he said and did.

You mean Trump actually knows who grandkids are and cares about them? That’s hard to believe.

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 7:08:27am

re: #367 MsJ

A remote with only an on/off button, because why would you need to change from FOX.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 7:09:28am

re: #371 Belafon

A remote with only an on/off button, because why would you need to change from FOX.

Three different prescriptions for opioid painkillers.

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jaunte  May 11, 2018 • 7:11:36am

re: #367 MsJ

A collection of NRA-ILA promotional pocket knives engraved with a partial phrase from the 2nd Amendment that does not mention the words “well-regulated.”

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jaunte  May 11, 2018 • 7:13:34am

A three-ring binder filled with printouts of conspiratorial emails, for reading pleasure.

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jaunte  May 11, 2018 • 7:15:05am

At least six books from Regnery Publishing.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 7:15:11am

Oh a Jon McNaughton painting of Trump on horseback slaying Osama Bin Laden.

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jaunte  May 11, 2018 • 7:15:43am

Six more books about tax avoidance.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 7:16:23am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Oh a Jon McNaughton painting of Trump on horseback slaying Osama Bin Laden.

A browser history that has been recently wiped or operated only in anonymous mode

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2018 • 7:17:30am

re: #347 MsJ

I thought Donny liked Trump.

“The best steaks, just terrific, everybody wants these steaks, believe me.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2018 • 7:18:04am

Nothing like waking up and checking your FB feed only to see friends/acquaintances who sat out/protest voted in 2016 complaining about Trump.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:18:26am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Oh a Jon McNaughton painting of Trump on horseback slaying Osama Bin Laden.

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Lupin  May 11, 2018 • 7:19:16am

Breaking: the UK gummint is secretly planning to throw open its borders post-Brexit, praying the EU will reciprocate (spoiler: they won’t).

Sky news

I’ve seen better organized panics.

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CleverToad  May 11, 2018 • 7:19:42am

re: #47 retired cynic

I see a pink sneaker with white laces. ??

Pink sneaker with white laces in really lousy lighting…
(speaking from years of looking at really bad color prints from cheap cameras and one-hour photo processors)

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2018 • 7:20:18am

re: #380 GlutenFreeJesus

Nothing like waking up and checking your FB feed only to see friends/acquaintances who sat out/protest voted in 2016 complaining about Trump.

It’s your fault for not voting for *squints* Dr. Jill who would have won and Dems/GPO are the same.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 7:20:23am

re: #381 MsJ

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I had a really hard time thinking of one so I thought of things in a normal home but with a Trump twist. Oh. A fifth of Trump vodka and a rotting Trump steak.

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 7:20:52am

re: #380 GlutenFreeJesus

Nothing like waking up and checking your FB feed only to see friends/acquaintances who sat out/protest voted in 2016 complaining about Trump.

“So, what are you going to do about it?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 7:21:23am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

Oh a Jon McNaughton painting of Trump on horseback slaying Osama Bin Laden.

preferably on black velvet

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:23:54am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

I had a really hard time thinking of one so I thought of things in a normal home but with a Trump twist. Oh. A fifth of Trump vodka and a rotting Trump steak.

That’s the funniest damn thing I have seen today.

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fern01  May 11, 2018 • 7:26:26am

Just reading about the latest Ebola outbreak

The World Health Organisation (WHO) says it is preparing for the “worst case scenario” in an Ebola outbreak in a remote area of the Democratic Republic of Congo, including the potential for the virus to spread to a major town.

I have a distinct memory of the GOP screaming at President Obama because Ebola!!

All that seems to be happening with trump - he’s pulling funding from same (not sure where I saw that). No-one seems to care about ebola any more.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:28:03am

CNBC just reported that AT&T CEO Randal Stephenson is calling hiring Michael Cohen a “big mistake. They are also reporting that their Senior Executive Vice President of External & Legislative Affairs, Bob Quinn, is ‘retiring’. That long title means head of their DC office, where lobbying and all government-facing activities are run out of. Here’s the critical backstory. Jim Cicconi, Quinn’s predecessor, had been in that position for about a decade and was a real player in the DC/Government Relations world. He only left about a year and a half ago. In other words, Quinn just showed up and now he’s out, apparently as fallout from the Michael Cohen debacle.

Remember. Everyone who gets near Trump gets damaged.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2018 • 7:29:16am

re: #386 Belafon

“So, what are you going to do about it?”

“BERNIE 2020!!!!”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 7:30:46am

re: #390 MsJ

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Remember. Everyone who gets near Trump gets damaged.

As if being near tRump wasn’t punishment enough!

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PhillyPretzel  May 11, 2018 • 7:30:59am

re: #391 GlutenFreeJesus

Actually I think Joseph Biden is a better bet. :)
And that statement comes from someone who is a Republican.

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makeitstop  May 11, 2018 • 7:31:17am

re: #390 MsJ

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AT&T is making a good show of it, expressing their ‘regret’ and all.

But that $600K they paid probably went a long way in ensuring that Net Neutrality got gutted like a fish.

So fuck them.

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fern01  May 11, 2018 • 7:36:27am

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Logging in to tell everyone I’m safe.

My town was hit by an approximately two-mile wide tornado shortly after I logged in here this afternoon (estimated to be an F1).

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Pleased to read you are safe - looking at the video, I hate seeing the community areas in tatters - never can tell if the money will be around to rebuild same.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:37:13am

Ugh. Sure, do actual journalism and report, what? It’s not like Republicans have a single idea or any concept of governing.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:38:10am

re: #394 makeitstop

AT&T is making a good show of it, expressing their ‘regret’ and all.

But that $600K they paid probably went a long way in ensuring that Net Neutrality got gutted like a fish.

So fuck them.

Not to mention their recent acquisition. They got what they wanted in spades. They just don’t like that a light was shined on it all.

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 7:41:52am

re: #396 MsJ

Ugh. Sure, do actual journalism and report, what? It’s not like Republicans have a single idea or any concept of governing.

If he was being honest, he could have said “To save conservatism, invest in actual reporting” as long as they are reporting on the corruption in the GOP, and the raging corruption of Evangelicalism on the party and the government.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2018 • 7:43:42am

re: #394 makeitstop

AT&T is making a good show of it, expressing their ‘regret’ and all.

But that $600K they paid probably went a long way in ensuring that Net Neutrality got gutted like a fish.

So fuck them.

If I was still with them, I’d be ditching them today.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2018 • 7:45:04am

re: #393 PhillyPretzel

Actually I think Joseph Biden is a better bet. :)
And that statement comes from someone who is a Republican.

I really really really like Joe. But we need something more fresh.

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Renaissance_Man  May 11, 2018 • 7:48:31am

re: #396 MsJ

Ugh. Sure, do actual journalism and report, what? It’s not like Republicans have a single idea or any concept of governing.

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Fuck off Ben. Peddling the same bullshit about ‘overwhelming liberal media bias’ and ‘George Soros’ but with bigger words doesn’t make your screed any less of a conspiracy theory.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 7:49:00am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

He just seems like a really good guy. I’ve never met him but he just strikes me as someone who loves his family and his country and has a good sense of humor about himself and the world. His and Obama’s almost brotherly like relationship is awesome.

This is my favorite photo of Biden. The looks on everyone’s faces are priceless.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2018 • 7:49:42am

Here’s my “a celebrity replied to me on Twitter!” moment. I was at a stop light yesterday jamming one of his band’s tunes, and this doggo seemed to enjoy it. :D

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 7:50:11am

re: #400 GlutenFreeJesus

I really really really like Joe. But we need something more fresh.

I’m liking Kamala Harris more and more.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:51:47am

re: #400 GlutenFreeJesus

I really really really like Joe. But we need something more fresh.

And I would vote for Joe in a NY minute.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2018 • 7:52:04am

re: #405 MsJ

And I would vote for Joe in a NY minute.

Absolutely!

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 7:53:26am

re: #405 MsJ

And I would vote for Joe in a NY minute.

I’d not only vote for him, I’d campaign for him but we do need fresh blood. I really do like Senator Harris. Pair her with someone with populist but not let’s ignore POC appeal and you got a good ticket IMO.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 7:54:34am

re: #404 HappyWarrior

I’m liking Kamala Harris more and more.

I would prefer Biden/Harris, myself. IMHO, we need someone with great experience to get us out of all the shit Trump is getting us into. And experience at that highest level.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 7:55:27am

re: #408 MsJ

I would prefer Biden/Harris, myself. IMHO, we need someone with great experience to get us out of all the shit Trump is getting us into. And experience at that highest level.

I dunno. I just feel we need someone younger but that’s a reasonable point that I can’t really disagree with.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 7:57:36am

My faves at the moments are: Harris, Booker(I have some problems with him but there’s a lot I like too), Biden, Garcetti, and maybe Gillibrand too. I know a lot don’t like Kirsten because of her role in Franken’s falling from office.

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Jay C  May 11, 2018 • 7:58:04am

re: #396 MsJ

Ugh. Sure, do actual journalism and report, what? It’s not like Republicans have a single idea or any concept of governing.

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I got curious and RTWT - Jeez, what a trite thumb-sucker of a column.
I mean, Howe does have a point about how so much “conservative journalism” so quickly devolves into mere opinionating and clickbait dreck: but his whole piece seem to be an extended whine along the lines of “facts have a liberal bias”, and ignores a fundamental reality of the right-wing media: its consumers could care less about, and don’t really want any real “journalism”: they simply want to have their prejudices confirmed - and their sense of unjust victimization validated: which Howe’s column does (with its blithe assumption of universal liberal (because “Democrat”) bias in the “MSM”) in spades. Meh.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 7:59:13am

re: #382 Lupin

Breaking: the UK gummint is secretly planning to throw open its borders post-Brexit, praying the EU will reciprocate (spoiler: they won’t).

Sky news

I’ve seen better organized panics.

There is a great quote in the article from a guy who reminds me of Trump supporters who voted “leave” and is surprised that it meant “leave.”

And the lack of concrete credible border plans is beginning to change minds, including of Peter MacSwiney, the chair of a key Brexit customs consultative committee, himself no great fan of the EU.

If these options don’t work, he says, “the ports will come to a grinding halt”.

Is this not just more scaremongering? “We’re always warned we shouldn’t use words like ‘disaster’ with politicians,” he says ominously. Mr MacSwiney was asked, subsequent to the Sky News interview, to sign a non-disclosure agreement by Government - he refused citing “too much Brexit secrecy”.

Incidentally, he voted Leave in the referendum. “I did, but I didn’t vote for what it appears we are going to get now, though.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 11, 2018 • 7:59:51am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can only again recommend this book;

Super Sad True Love Story

It describes a post-literate America (we are halfway there) after the currency collapse, dollars are all but worthless and if you want anything beyond the basics to survive on, you need access to Yuan-backed or (Northern) Euro-backed valyuta.(we are a step closer to that as well).

Spoiler: it does end well, either for our protagonist nor the country…

I will also add a recommendation, it’s good. And, depressing. The currency debacle is the least depressing part, though. All the other bits are prescient, too.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:00:03am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I just feel we need someone younger but that’s a reasonable point that I can’t really disagree with.

Joe has good rapport with world leaders (allies) and we are going to need to do a lot of bridge building. I want younger people in, too, for the health of the future. But that top of the ticket, again IMHO, needs to be someone who knows shit that only someone at that level knows. I don’t want a learning curve now. When things were functioning, the economy wasn’t possibly going to crash into oblivion, we had alliances worldwide…I would say, definitely! But things are not good.

I would love Biden/Booker, too. I **love** me some Booker. That’s a damn fine human being right there; an actual goddamned runs-into-burning-buildings hero.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 11, 2018 • 8:00:07am

Biden should definitely get a high cabinet position. He can lead the “Undo everything Trump has fucked up Department”.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:00:42am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

My faves at the moments are: Harris, Booker(I have some problems with him but there’s a lot I like too), Biden, Garcetti, and maybe Gillibrand too. I know a lot don’t like Kirsten because of her role in Franken’s falling from office.

Gillibrand lost me after Franken. I resent the hell out of that.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 8:01:58am

re: #414 MsJ

Joe has good rapport with world leaders (allies) and we are going to need to do a lot of bridge building. I want younger people in, too, for the health of the future. But that top of the ticket, again IMHO, needs to be someone who knows shit that only someone at that level knows. I don’t want a learning curve now. When things were functioning, the economy wasn’t possibly going to crash into oblivion, we had alliances worldwide…I would say, definitely! But things are not good.

I would love Biden/Booker, too. I **love** me some Booker. That’s a damn fine human being right there; an actual goddamned runs-into-burning-buildings hero.

The gentleman who rebuilt everything after Bush didn’t have much high level Gov experience. All those people are a phone call away and can always help. All hands. It takes a village, as someone used to say.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:02:13am

re: #414 MsJ

Joe has good rapport with world leaders (allies) and we are going to need to do a lot of bridge building. I want younger people in, too, for the health of the future. But that top of the ticket, again IMHO, needs to be someone who knows shit that only someone at that level knows. I don’t want a learning curve now. When things were functioning, the economy wasn’t possibly going to crash into oblivion, we had alliances worldwide…I would say, definitely! But things are not good.

I would love Biden/Booker, too. I **love** me some Booker. That’s a damn fine human being right there; an actual goddamned runs-into-burning-buildings hero.

Totally see where you’re coming from and yeah Biden already knowing the world leaders would really help in repairing the damaeg done by Trump. Agree about Booker too. He can be a little too Wall Street friendly for me but as a man, he’s an awesome dude as you said and I love seeing him and Kamala team up together on federal decriminalization. That issue is my Dad’s pet issue and both Kamala and Cory now have his attention.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:02:44am
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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:03:43am

re: #416 MsJ

Gillibrand lost me after Franken. I resent the hell out of that.

I definitely can understand that. Oh a sleeper but Minnesota’s Amy Klobuchar. She’s popular in her home state of Minnesota, smart, legal minded, etc. Plus it would be a victory for us Slovene-Americans who aren’t fans of the Lemon repping our peeps :). I’m kidding. Her being Slovene-American has nothing to do with me thinking she’s a good candidate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 8:03:54am

re: #413 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I will also add a recommendation, it’s good. And, depressing. The currency debacle is the least depressing part, though. All the other bits are prescient, too.

the ways he describes a post-literate society

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 8:04:47am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

I definitely can understand that. Oh a sleeper but Minnesota’s Amy Klobuchar. She’s popular in her home state of Minnesota, smart, legal minded, etc. Plus it would be a victory for us Slovene-Americans who aren’t fans of the Lemon repping our peeps :). I’m kidding. Her being Slovene-American has nothing to do with me thinking she’s a good candidate.

Melania comes from the Slo part of Slovenia…

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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 8:05:04am

re: #396 MsJ

Ugh. Sure, do actual journalism and report, what? It’s not like Republicans have a single idea or any concept of governing.

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They do have a single idea. Cut taxes!!

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:05:24am

re: #417 JordanRules

The gentleman who rebuilt everything after Bush didn’t have much high level Gov experience. All those people are a phone call away and can always help. All hands. It takes a village, as someone used to say.

I understand what you’re saying but trump isn’t bush and what trump is doing to the US is by far and away worse than bush. Bush at least had a large amount of allied support. Obama didn’t have to do much bridge building except for being the decent human being he is. What we have to repair now is exponentially worse and more difficult…if possible at all. How do we tell allies that this won’t happen again? This is what the next person has to deal with.

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Teukka  May 11, 2018 • 8:05:57am

Outrage over photos of Bulgarian children with swastika and Hitler salute at football match

Outrage over photos of Bulgarian children with swastika and Hitler salute at football match
Written by The Sofia Globe staff on May 11, 2018 in Bulgaria - Comments Off on Outrage over photos of Bulgarian children with swastika and Hitler salute at football match

Bulgaria’s State Agency for Child Protection (SACP) has initiated an investigation into photographs showing two boys at the Bulgarian Cup football finals, shirtless, with one wearing a swastika while the other makes a Hitler salute, among other offensive symbols.

The photographs were taken on May 9 at the match between Levski Sofia and Slavia PFC, played at Vassil Levski national stadium.

The inscriptions on the bodies of the boys, who both appear to be younger than 10, read “Levski hooligan”, ACAB (“All Cops Are Bastards”), and SW 1999 (the most extremist faction among Levski’s “Sofia West” ultras).

“We see Nazi greetings, which are a worrying fact for us. Once we receive information about the location, the identity of the children and their address, we will refer them to the Social Assistance Directorate,” Stefka Ilieva, an inspector at the SACP, told local media.

If the children in the photo were unaccompanied, their parents could be fined from 300 to 500 leva (about 150 to 250 euro), Ilieva said.

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World is going down the drain. :( And the Kremlin Crew is fanning this shit :(

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:06:33am

re: #422 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Melania comes from the Slo part of Slovenia…

Nah, she comes from Chicago’s South Shore and has a brother named Craig Robinson and parents named Marian and Fraser.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 8:06:56am

re: #424 MsJ

I understand what you’re saying but trump isn’t bush and what trump is doing to the US is by far and away worse than bush. Bush at least had a large amount of allied support. Obama didn’t have to do much bridge building except for being the decent human being he is. What we have to repair now is exponentially worse and more difficult…if possible at all. How do we tell allies that this won’t happen again? This is what the next person has to deal with.

Even if a Dem can get up and convince them, they will not begin to trust a Republican, and they tend to come along every four to eight years…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 8:07:30am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Nah, she comes from Chicago’s South Shore and has a brother named Craig Robinson and parents named Marian and Fraser.

Was talking about Melania Trump

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:07:39am

re: #417 JordanRules

The gentleman who rebuilt everything after Bush didn’t have much high level Gov experience. All those people are a phone call away and can always help. All hands. It takes a village, as someone used to say.

I agree but she’s right. Trump has been worse than Bush. I do agree with you. I think it’s going to take the right person but some experience would be a plus too.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 8:08:11am

re: #424 MsJ

I understand what you’re saying but trump isn’t bush and what trump is doing to the US is by far and away worse than bush. Bush at least had a large amount of allied support. Obama didn’t have to do much bridge building except for being the decent human being he is. What we have to repair now is exponentially worse and more difficult…if possible at all. How do we tell allies that this won’t happen again? This is what the next person has to deal with.

And I don’t think them “knowing” the leaders is going to help much honestly. Many of the countries might have new leaders themselves too. How much does Joe “know” Macron?

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:08:14am

re: #427 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even if a Dem can get up and convince them, they will not begin to trust a Republican, and they tend to come along every four to eight years…

Which is exactly the issue someone with experience is going to have to deal with.

If we see no consequences after this felonious administration, we will have no allies.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:08:17am

re: #428 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was talking about Melania Trump

So was I. I was making fun of how Melania has plagiarized Michelle.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:08:59am

re: #430 JordanRules

And I don’t think them “knowing” the leaders is going to help much honestly. Many of the countries might have new leaders themselves too. How much does Joe “know” Macron?

True enough but his reputation precedes him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 8:09:08am

re: #432 HappyWarrior

So was I. I was making fun of how Melania has plagiarized Michelle.

got it

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:09:28am

re: #430 JordanRules

And I don’t think them “knowing” the leaders is going to help much honestly. Many of the countries might have new leaders themselves too. How much does Joe “know” Macron?

This is a good point. Leaders do change.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:10:10am

re: #434 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

got it

Yeah sometimes my sense of humor is more dry than silly.

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Ace-o-aces  May 11, 2018 • 8:10:28am
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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:11:09am

What Biden has definitely showed me is he’s a totally different kind of man than Trump is. I don’t know about the personal character too much of the other potential candidates though MsJ is right about Booker’s bravery with the fire as well.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 8:11:30am

re: #414 MsJ

Joe has good rapport with world leaders (allies) and we are going to need to do a lot of bridge building. I want younger people in, too, for the health of the future. But that top of the ticket, again IMHO, needs to be someone who knows shit that only someone at that level knows. I don’t want a learning curve now. When things were functioning, the economy wasn’t possibly going to crash into oblivion, we had alliances worldwide…I would say, definitely! But things are not good.

I would love Biden/Booker, too. I **love** me some Booker. That’s a damn fine human being right there; an actual goddamned runs-into-burning-buildings hero.

I’m all for Booker as the nominee; he has more governing experience now than Obama had when he won the presidency. If the African-American vote turns out, the Democrats win, and another old white man at the top of the ticket may not get the job done.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:13:32am

re: #437 Ace-o-aces

I am curious…what did they NOT get?

They got their merger.

They got evisceration of Net Neutrality.

What was left…a fucking pony?

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:13:46am

re: #439 Big Beautiful Door

I’m all for Booker as the nominee; he has more governing experience now than Obama had when he won the presidency. If the African-American vote turns out, the Democrats win, and another old white man at the top of the ticket may not get the job done.

Who would pair well with Booker in your opinion? Perhaps a former Senator or Governor?

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Jay C  May 11, 2018 • 8:13:51am

re: #408 MsJ

I would prefer Biden/Harris, myself. IMHO, we need someone with great experience to get us out of all the shit Trump is getting us into. And experience at that highest level.

Well, I’d vote for Cool Uncle Joe in a nanosecond - AFAIC, he’s the best Democrat in the country, but for one point. If Biden ran in 2020, he would be celebrating his 78th birthday a couple of weeks after the election (born 11/20/1942: a Scorpio) - it isn’t a matter of ageism: if he would be in good physical and cognitive health (he’s older than Trump, but seems to be in vastly better condition - especially between the ears) - no prob: but can health issues be guaranteed for any octogenarian? And for a POTUS at that?
It’s really too bad (for the country) a Biden/Harris ticket would be something to see, but is probably not gonna happen.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:14:07am

re: #439 Big Beautiful Door

I’m all for Booker as the nominee; he has more governing experience now than Obama had when he won the presidency. If the African-American vote turns out, the Democrats win, and another old white man at the top of the ticket may not get the job done.

Biden is hardly any old white man.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:14:50am

Police are responding to TWO school shootings in California.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:15:14am
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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:15:26am

re: #444 MsJ

Police are responding to TWO school shootings in California.

Fuck. Well here comes Ollie to tell us see! Gun laws don’t work!

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PhillyPretzel  May 11, 2018 • 8:15:33am

re: #444 MsJ

Oy Vey. Here we go again. :(

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jaunte  May 11, 2018 • 8:16:39am
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Renaissance_Man  May 11, 2018 • 8:18:44am

re: #427 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even if a Dem can get up and convince them, they will not begin to trust a Republican, and they tend to come along every four to eight years…

It’s more than that. Outside of the toxic bubble created by US media, everyone else can see what all Americans should also have seen - a narcissistic buffoon with no redeeming qualities shouldn’t be allowed in the door, much less given a national platform and endless media attention. But Americans did even worse than that. They made him the most powerful person in the world. And they did so willingly and joyfully.

It’s one thing to not trust American politicians. But, even if they might make fun of Americans, the rest of the civilised world has known for the past century that once America takes a position, that’s the position of the good guys. That Americans could be trusted to do the right thing, once they had exhausted all other possibilities.

That’s no longer true. This is a bridge too far. Not everyone fully realises it or believes it yet, but one by one they are coming to the conclusion that the American people can no longer be trusted, that they are no longer the good guys in the world. With this election, America lost its place in the ethical and cultural paradigm of the world, much more so than they lost it with Bush 43, because Bush 43 was still within the bounds of decency. They will still deal with America, because of its wealth and power. But this is Trumpland now, and for the next generation at least.

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makeitstop  May 11, 2018 • 8:19:05am

So, Nunes and Gowdy went to the DoJ yesterday and now seem to be backing down from their threats to Sessions.

After a meeting at the Justice Department on Thursday, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) seems to be backing off his threats to hold Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt if Nunes does not receive the classified documents he has requested, according to a Thursday Washington Post report.

Nunes and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) reportedly met with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and other intelligence officials at the DOJ, later issuing a joint statement calling the conversation “productive.”

Then Ryan jumped in and shot his mouth off.

Despite Nunes’s cooling off, House Speaker Paul Ryan jumped into the fray Thursday, saying that it’s “wholly appropriate” that Nunes get the classified documents, per the Post.

“I expect that we will be able to have an accommodation to honor this request because first of all, it’s our job to do oversight of the executive branch,” Ryan said. “This request is perfectly appropriate within the scope of the committee’s investigation, and I hope and believe and expect that they’ll be complied with.”

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Big Beautiful Door  May 11, 2018 • 8:19:31am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Who would pair well with Booker in your opinion? Perhaps a former Senator or Governor?

There are a lot of good possibilities. The VP nominee is like the British Admiral at Jutland; he can’t win you the election, but if he’s a disaster he could lose it.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:21:13am

re: #451 Big Beautiful Door

There are a lot of good possibilities. The VP nominee is like the British Admiral at Jutland; he can’t win you the election, but if he’s a disaster he could lose it.

Agreed.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:22:50am

Via FB, Senator Kaine comes out against the Haspel nomination.

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 8:23:02am

re: #449 Renaissance_Man

It’s more than that. Outside of the toxic bubble created by US media, everyone else can see what all Americans should also have seen - a narcissistic buffoon with no redeeming qualities shouldn’t be allowed in the door, much less given a national platform and endless media attention. But Americans did even worse than that. They made him the most powerful person in the world. And they did so willingly and joyfully.

It’s one thing to not trust American politicians. But, even if they might make fun of Americans, the rest of the civilised world has known for the past century that once America takes a position, that’s the position of the good guys. That Americans could be trusted to do the right thing, once they had exhausted all other possibilities.

That’s no longer true. This is a bridge too far. Not everyone fully realises it or believes it yet, but one by one they are coming to the conclusion that the American people can no longer be trusted, that they are no longer the good guys in the world. With this election, America lost its place in the ethical and cultural paradigm of the world, much more so than they lost it with Bush 43, because Bush 43 was still within the bounds of decency. They will still deal with America, because of its wealth and power. But this is Trumpland now, and for the next generation at least.

If I were looking at another country like ours, I wouldn’t entirely trust them until I saw what the election after the person who will take over after Trump. If the US is basically going to alternate sane-person/insane-person, there’s not enough there to trust us over the long haul. This is ultimately on the voters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 8:23:27am

re: #449 Renaissance_Man

It’s more than that. Outside of the toxic bubble created by US media, everyone else can see what all Americans should also have seen - a narcissistic buffoon with no redeeming qualities shouldn’t be allowed in the door, much less given a national platform and endless media attention. But Americans did even worse than that. They made him the most powerful person in the world. And they did so willingly and joyfully.

Educated people in the world know that in contrast to Brexit, he did not have the support of a majority of Americans, he just successfully gamed the system. But that is damning enough on its own.

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gocart mozart  May 11, 2018 • 8:23:43am
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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 8:24:08am
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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 8:24:23am

Morning!

I think I am suffering from digital fatigue. Long rant in private tag. Skip if you want.

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It sure can be a strange world these days.

I blame Trump. Sigh.

But I do have one big positive thing to say. Charles runs a hell of a site here. Hardly an instance of any digital fatigue…EVER!

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:26:10am

re: #457 JordanRules

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Yep. And he also had the nerve to say to Hannity “You can tell an Iranian is lying when his lips move.” This a man who lied to Congress. North doesn’t know what he got himself into. This is a man who couldn’t win a Senate seat in a very Republican state in a very Republican year 24 years ago. The kids are going to make him wish he had just stayed in his FNC and told war stories like your kindly grandpa who didn’t illegally sell arms to fund the Contras.

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 8:27:39am

re: #399 GlutenFreeJesus

If I was still with them, I’d be ditching them today.

Heh…just saw this comment trying to catch up. It goes to my just added rant.

One of the things I said to the techs at ATT’s DirecTV Now site was “maybe ATT should have used that $600,000 they gave to Trump’s bagman and spent it on their product to make it work.”

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:28:17am

Ollie does have some balls though. Sells arms to fund people who raped nuns. Has the nerve to call people who criticize his shtity organization, terrorists. Oliver North is only a right wing hero because he took the fall for Reagan.

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Jay C  May 11, 2018 • 8:29:19am

re: #450 makeitstop

“I expect that we will be able to have an accommodation to honor this request because first of all, it’s our job to do oversight of the executive branch,” Ryan said.

JFC - Paul Ryan actually said this? Without being struck by lightning, or bursting into flames?

In this Administration, WTF sort of “oversight” has any Republican in the House made the least effort to exercise over the Executive Branch? Outside of desperately trying to shield Donald Trump and his creatures from any serious investigation into their rank criminality?

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BeachDem  May 11, 2018 • 8:30:00am

re: #417 JordanRules

The gentleman who rebuilt everything after Bush didn’t have much high level Gov experience. All those people are a phone call away and can always help. All hands. It takes a village, as someone used to say.

Yep—and Biden is a great villager, but…

I love the man, but he has run for president before and it has never gone well. In 2008, he came in 5th in the Iowa caucuses with <1% of the vote.

I think the biggest issue is that the media and the opposition has given him a persona as a gaffe machine (unwarranted, I believe) and it has stuck in a lot of quarters, painting him as an affable buffoon. Though far from the truth, it’s hard to re-shape an image after so long.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:31:22am

re: #463 BeachDem

Yep—and Biden is a great villager, but…

I love the man, but he has run for president before and it has never gone well. In 2008, he came in 5th in the Iowa caucuses with <1% of the vote.

I think the biggest issue is that the media and the opposition has given him a persona as a gaffe machine (unwarranted, I believe) and it has stuck in a lot of quarters, painting him as an affable buffoon. Though far from the truth, it’s hard to re-shape an image after so long.

Agreed. BD, have you guys got any early visitors? Or is it way way too early?

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:32:33am

I want to see who these people have advising them too. That was one thing that big time sold me on Clinton over Sanders.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 8:33:20am

re: #462 Jay C

JFC - Paul Ryan actually said this? Without being struck by lightning, or bursting into flames?

In this Administration, WTF sort of “oversight” has any Republican in the House made the least effort to exercise over the Executive Branch? Outside of desperately trying to shield Donald Trump and his creatures from any serious investigation into their rank criminality?

So this is all a ploy to get his hands on some classified material that he can leak in order to compromise the investigation in hopes of derailing it or watering down its conclusions?

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 8:35:52am

re: #466 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So this is all a ploy to get his hands on some material that he can leak in order to compromise the investigation in hopes of derailing it or watering down its conclusions?

And it’s crazy. We’re watching as one of the biggest traitors in the country’s history operates against his country. Crazy.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:37:28am

Cuteness break!

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gocart mozart  May 11, 2018 • 8:37:29am

documentcloud.org
Attorney Michael Gleason told Michael Cohen/Donald Trump about two women who were assaulted by Schneiderman FOUR YEARS AGO! Now he wants to quash communication between Gleason and Cohen from Avenatti’s eyes!
[WTF is really going on here?]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:38:17am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 8:39:01am

re: #467 JordanRules

And it’s crazy. We’re watching as one of the biggest traitors in the country’s history operates against his country. Crazy.

So Nunes wants to out that CIA asset so they can’t report how the Kremlin immediately received the documents he plans on passing on to them?

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 8:39:05am

Of course there’s a fall guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:39:19am

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:40:19am

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He like so many Americans of European ancestry has forgotten where he came from. My third great grandmother was a housewife who was here a half century and only spoke Irish. Kelly can kiss my Irish-German-Slovak-Slovene-Scottish-Swiss-French American ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:40:21am
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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:41:46am

IIRC Trump’s own mother didn’t speak English as her first language.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:42:12am

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh crap. Please tell me this isn’t another Franken like thing.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:42:19am

re: #469 gocart mozart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:42:54am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

Oh crap. Please tell me this isn’t another Franken like thing.

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jaunte  May 11, 2018 • 8:42:58am
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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:43:43am

re: #478 MsJ

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You know having worked at a law office the past year and change. My boss would have never let a misspelled name in an official memo get out. We all make mistakes but you know what, you check them over for fuck sake.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:44:05am

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hmmm.

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jeffreyw  May 11, 2018 • 8:44:29am

re: #408 MsJ

I would prefer Biden/Harris, myself. IMHO, we need someone with great experience to get us out of all the shit Trump is getting us into. And experience at that highest level.

I agree with this 100%, “fresh blood” is a bumper sticker slogan. I want a politician who has been there and done that.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:44:33am

re: #480 jaunte

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OFFS.

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jaunte  May 11, 2018 • 8:46:01am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

Our expert real-estate investor/builder in chief.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 8:46:44am

re: #484 HappyWarrior

OFFS.

Could you even put lettering impressive enough for such an important embassy on an existing building for $150,000?

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Teukka  May 11, 2018 • 8:46:50am

Damn, can’t I touch my dinner without shit breaking?

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:47:06am

re: #483 jeffreyw

I agree with this 100%, “fresh blood” is a bumper sticker slogan. I want a politician who has been there and done that.

And you know the hypocrisy of the right…they will accuse whomever we put up of being like trump (once that train rolls over him - which it will) and it was trump’s inexperience that got us there and they, republicans, really are better - lather, rinse, repeat.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:47:41am

Trump administration: Rails against “chain migration”, President himself’s mother is a direct beneficiary of said policy as his current wife. As I said too many white people forget where their families came from. That’s not why I do genealogy mind you to keep my family’s perspective but people would be wise to try to learn about their ancestors. I pretty much told my Dad his second great grandmother’s biography last night and he was wowed by it all. And you know what, there are millions of Americans out there with a Bridget O’Malley Joyce or Mr. Pedalino.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 8:48:09am

re: #487 Teukka

Damn, can’t I touch my dinner without shit breaking?

That’s what youse furriners get for eating dinner at breakfast time!!//

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:48:23am

re: #488 MsJ

And you know the hypocrisy of the right…they will accuse whomever we put up of being like trump (once that train rolls over him - which it will) and it was trump’s inexperience that got us there and they, republicans, really are better - lather, rinse, repeat.

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:48:57am
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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:49:00am

when wishes become tweets.

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Jay C  May 11, 2018 • 8:50:31am

re: #466 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So this is all a ploy to get his hands on some classified material that he can leak in order to compromise the investigation in hopes of derailing it or watering down its conclusions?

Probably. Though not Ryan personally, IMO: he’s a comatose lame duck, so he’s more likely to get the stooge Nunes to front the “oversight” - like he has been doing all along. Nunes (evil tool that he is) doesn’t seem likely to balk at leaking anything that he thinks will “protect” Trump.

re: #467 JordanRules

And it’s crazy. We’re watching as one of the biggest traitors in the country’s history operates against his country. Crazy.

I agree, though the other side’s spin is that the Mueller investigation is a groundless fishing expedition/witch-hunt/sore-loser vendetta, basically a political persecution which needs to be “exposed” (i.e. peremptorily shut down) for the good of the country.
Crock of reeking BS, to be sure, but that’s the spin….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:50:41am
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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:50:52am

Someone is fearing for his job.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:51:28am

re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know who were terrorists, Ollie? The Contras, but go ahead and call the VICTIMS of a shooting terrorists, you fucking pig. I’m glad my Grandpa, a real hero told you off.

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Mattand  May 11, 2018 • 8:51:49am

re: #390 MsJ

Just read this story. It’s nice to see heads roll for bad behavior. Unfortunately, all I can think is that guy has a golden parachute a mile long, and will probably have a job in a month or two making twice as much as before. No true consequences for terrible behavior.

Meanwhile, I’m awaiting a text from a guy I know saying that he’s officially homeless because he can’t find a job, despite being one of the most talented graphic designers I know.

Two of the reasons I don’t believe there’s any sort of god watching over good people.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:52:02am

re: #496 MsJ

Someone is fearing for his job.

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He was just re-elected unfortunately.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2018 • 8:52:40am

re: #464 HappyWarrior

Agreed. BD, have you guys got any early visitors? Or is it way way too early?

None that I know of—everything now is on our governor’s race, and the yam will probably put in an appearance, or at least run his mouth, for his good buddy Henry McMaster (the reason we have Nikki at the UN, so Henry can run as an incumbent.)

I want the guv primary to be over already (seems like it has been going on forever) and I hope my candidate/team gets the Dem nod. It’s a great team—James Smith and Mandy Powers-Norell. Mandy is my very favorite state legislator and she and James together are a dynamic duo.

James was a JAG officer for eight years in the S.C. Army National Guard, then he enlisted in the infantry after visiting Ground Zero. He went through basic training at 37 and then deployed to Afghanistan in 2007. He served about a year commanding a nine-man team as a combat adviser to Afghan security forces in remote parts of the country. He’s been in the SC House since 1997 and is known for being able to gather support across the aisle to counter some of the crazier GOP crap.

And Mandy is smart, engaging and makes a perfect partner for James.

Norrell represents rural Lancaster County, a contrast to Smith’s urban Columbia district. She also was the first in her family to graduate from college, paying tuition by working at a textile mill.

Norrell’s State House colleagues sang her praises Tuesday, pointing to her upbringing and experience.

“She has proven herself to be someone who has a lot of respect up here (at the State House),” said state Sen. Thomas McElveen, D-Sumter, who has not endorsed a Democratic candidate for governor. “She is a pragmatist. She’s a bridge builder and someone who has proven that she can get things done.”

Norrell is seen as a rising star in the state Democratic Party, having delivered her party’s response to Republican Gov. Nikki Haley’s State of the State address in 2016.

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Jay C  May 11, 2018 • 8:52:45am

re: #476 HappyWarrior

IIRC Trump’s own mother didn’t speak English as her first language.

Well, she WAS Scottish: there’s a lot of leeway there regarding the definitions of “English”…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:53:28am

jeebus

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:53:30am

re: #500 BeachDem

None that I know of—everything now is on our governor’s race, and the yam will probably put in an appearance, or at least run his mouth, for his good buddy Henry McMaster (the reason we have Nikki at the UN, so Henry can run as an incumbent.)

I want the guv primary to be over already (seems like it has been going on forever) and I hope my candidate/team gets the Dem nod. It’s a great team—James Smith and Mandy Powers-Norell. Mandy is my very favorite state legislator and she and James together are a dynamic duo.

James was a JAG officer for eight years in the S.C. Army National Guard, then he enlisted in the infantry after visiting Ground Zero. He went through basic training at 37 and then deployed to Afghanistan in 2007. He served about a year commanding a nine-man team as a combat adviser to Afghan security forces in remote parts of the country. He’s been in the SC House since 1997 and is known for being able to gather support across the aisle to counter some of the crazier GOP crap.

And Mandy is smart, engaging and makes a perfect partner for James.

Sound like a great team. May they paint SC as blue as the Atlantic.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2018 • 8:53:57am

re: #468 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:54:02am

re: #501 Jay C

Well, she WAS Scottish: there’s a lot of leeway there regarding the definitions of “English”…..

Ha, no she actually was a native Scots-Gaelic speaker from what I’ve read.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:55:13am

re: #504 BeachDem

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 8:55:14am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Yes, that is what he meant in his assimilation quote.

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Eventual Carrion  May 11, 2018 • 8:56:08am

re: #486 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Could you even put lettering impressive enough for such an important embassy on an existing building for $150,000?

Sure wouldn’t buy too many $31,000 tables

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 8:56:48am

re: #507 JordanRules

Yes, that is what he meant in his assimilation quote.

Pretty much. You know what, I know a lot of immigrants from my line of work. A lot of them are actually more assimilated/advanced than where my family was. I’m talking folks with college degrees, professionals, etc. Kelly really is the worst kind of hypocrite.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:56:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:56:51am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 8:56:52am

re: #507 JordanRules

Yes, that is what he meant in his assimilation quote.

What “skills” exactly turned anchor baby Bobby Jindal “white”?

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:57:35am

re: #498 Mattand

Just read this story. It’s nice to see heads roll for bad behavior. Unfortunately, all I can think is that guy has a golden parachute a mile long, and will probably have a job in a month or two making twice as much as before. No true consequences for terrible behavior.

Meanwhile, I’m awaiting a text from a guy know saying that he’s officially homeless because he can’t find a job, despite being one of the most talented graphic designers I know.

Two of the reasons I don’t believe there’s any sort of god watching over good people.

Yup. My thought exactly when I saw that he was “retiring”.

I am so very sorry for your friend.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 8:57:40am

re: #493 MsJ

when wishes become tweets.

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I think the Presidency is the only thing protecting him at this point. Our system can be cruel and ironic sometimes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 8:58:30am

re: #512 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What “skills” exactly turned anchor baby Bobby Jindal “white”?

Photoshop

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PhillyPretzel  May 11, 2018 • 8:58:33am

re: #508 Eventual Carrion

$150,000. That might get you a cheap row house in Philly. My row house when I bought it in 1999 was $60,000. According to the City’s assessment it is worth $120,000.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 8:58:41am

re: #512 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What “skills” exactly turned anchor baby Bobby Jindal “white”?

Self-hate

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 8:58:41am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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that has to be a joke.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2018 • 9:00:36am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

You know having worked at a law office the past year and change. My boss would have never let a misspelled name in an official memo get out. We all make mistakes but you know what, you check them over for fuck sake.

The White House misspelled Volkswagen today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 9:00:53am
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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:02:05am

re: #511 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pretty much all my family came from rural areas. Hell Jthose areas still are. Kelly’s a fuckwit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 9:03:03am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

Pretty much all my family came from rural areas. Hell Jthose areas still are. Kelly’s a fuckwit.

wth does Kelly know? He’s one of those coastal city elites…

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:04:18am

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

wth does Kelly know? He’s one of those coastal city elites…

Ha yeah! Seriously. I wish Kelly’s Irish and Italian ancestors could come back and smack some sense into him.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2018 • 9:04:19am

re: #486 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Could you even put lettering impressive enough for such an important embassy on an existing building for $150,000?

That’s kind of what they’re doing.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 9:04:21am

The long con.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:06:12am

re: #525 JordanRules

The long con.

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I’m not surprised this. Putin isn’t stupid. He saw how the American right reacted to the Obama presidency and so many American conservatives took his bait and as a result, we have a lot of American conservatives including POTUS who admires Putin more than Obama.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 9:06:25am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 9:06:49am

re: #521 HappyWarrior

Pretty much all my family came from rural areas. Hell Jthose areas still are. Kelly’s a fuckwit.

As I’ve said before, my father’s parents came over from Norway in 1900. To this day, I have no idea whether they were ever naturalized or not. Is the ICE going to come banging on my door to ship me “back” to Norway? If not, why not? Lemme try that light meter on my face….

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Mattand  May 11, 2018 • 9:07:28am

re: #516 PhillyPretzel

$150,000. That might get you a cheap row house in Philly. My row house when I bought it in 1999 was $60,000. According to the City’s assessment it is worth $120,000.

From the “Hindsight is always 20/20” Department, I wish I had bought something in Fishtown 10 years ago. I’d be rolling in cash at this point.

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Mattand  May 11, 2018 • 9:08:26am

re: #513 MsJ

Yup. My thought exactly when I saw that he was “retiring”.

I am so very sorry for your friend.

Appreciate it. If anyone knows anyone in Philly hiring a graphic designer or a motion designer, let me know.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 9:08:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 9:08:39am

re: #511 Backwoods_Sleuth

The parents are in violation of the US laws. But the children are not criminals because they broke no law, they are not of legal age. But they are being treated as criminals and that is where the inhumane aspect of these laws becomes clear.

Until Trump, we always sought some sort of humane solution for this situation, that was the very heart of DACA.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 9:09:13am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 9:09:15am

re: #524 BeachDem

That’s kind of what they’re doing.

littlegreenfootballs.com

“…is anticipated to cost $200,000 to $400,000,”

Well, I guess if you stiff a few of the contractors and sue a couple more, you could get it down to $150,000….

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:09:43am

re: #528 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As I’ve said before, my father’s parents came over from Norway in 1900. To this day, I have no idea whether they were ever naturalized or not. Is the ICE going to come banging on my door to ship me “back” to Norway? If not, why not? Lemme try that light meter on my face….

I have my naturalization records but I had to look hard for them. Grandma’s mom just missed the 1924 Quotas for immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe that resulted from the first Red Scare.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:10:41am

re: #533 JordanRules

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 9:11:04am

re: #510 MsJ

Kyle Griffin ✔
@kylegriffin1
Mueller’s team has questioned several witnesses about millions of dollars in donations to Trump’s inauguration committee last year, including questions about donors with connections to Russia, Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E. and Qatar, sources tell ABC News. abcnews.go.com

11:50 AM - May 11, 2018

I made a joke last night about Jared looking for ‘back channels’ to the White House and relating it to Cohen’s money collection for Trump service which I figured was the way for American interests to have a back channel to ‘funnel’ money to Trump.

If I am not mistaken, those countries listed were all candidates for Jared’s back channels.

Pretty sure now ‘back channel’ has nothing to do with actual governing interests between these countries and Trump…it means back channel money to Trump without having to account for it.

Sleazeballs all over the damn place in Trump’s White Blackened House.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 9:11:48am

LOL

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wrenchwench  May 11, 2018 • 9:12:41am

re: #533 JordanRules

[Happy birthday to Richard Overton, America’s oldest living WWII combat veteran, who turns 112 today]

I hope I look that good at 112, like, ‘Happy to Be Here’.

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 9:13:06am

re: #512 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What “skills” exactly turned anchor baby Bobby Jindal “white”?

Probably declaring he was Republican as a dark-skinned individual and spouting all the party line BS.

Skill: Conservative Bullshitting.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:13:21am

re: #539 wrenchwench

I hope I look that good at 112, like, ‘Happy to Be Here’.

I imagine I’d be rather quite deep at that age.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:14:06am

re: #540 ObserverArt

Probably declaring he was Republican as a dark-skinned individual and spouting all the party line BS.

Skill: Conservative Bullshitting.

You know the thing about Jindal is? He’s not stupid. He did get a Rhodes Scholarship but man he played dumb like no one else’s business as Governor and then as a candidate.

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wrenchwench  May 11, 2018 • 9:15:04am

re: #541 HappyWarrior

I imagine I’d be rather quite deep at that age.

I think 112 yr. olds are always deep, even the ones above the ground.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:15:51am

re: #543 wrenchwench

I think 112 yr. olds are always deep, even the ones above the ground.

Heh I was saying I’d be six feet under. But then again, both of my grandmothers have lived to be 90.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 9:16:40am

re: #538 JordanRules

LOL

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That’s interesting, though. I remember when the iPhone 5 came out, it was said to be a little more powerful than a Cray 2—the computer Tron was supposedly running on, remember—but well short of a Cray X/MP. That was before they went 64-bit with the 5S. I’d been looking for similar estimates for newer phones….

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 9:19:17am

re: #527 JordanRules

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Avenatti is messing with them big time. He’s got one hell of a poking stick. It’s almost like slow torture.

Trump likes torture!

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 9:21:34am

re: #532 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The parents are in violation of the US laws. But the children are not criminals because they broke no law, they are not of legal age. But they are being treated as criminals and that is where the inhumane aspect of these laws becomes clear.

Until Trump, we always sought some sort of humane solution for this situation, that was the very heart of DACA.

I swear this is Trump’s method of terrorizing people from around the world to stay away from America. We do not want you is being heard everywhere.

And the Republicans are just fine with it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 9:22:57am

re: #547 ObserverArt

I swear this is Trump’s method of terrorizing people from around the world to stay away from America. We do not want you is being heard everywhere.

And the Republicans are just fine with it.

I assume that they appreciate the deterrent feature…

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:23:06am

re: #547 ObserverArt

I swear this is Trump’s method of terrorizing people from around the world to stay away from America. We do not want you is being heard everywhere.

And the Republicans are just fine with it.

It’s such an ugly attitude. And you know what, it’s resulted in kids being bullied.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:23:30am

re: #548 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume that they appreciate the deterrent feature…

Too bad we didn’t deport Friedrich Trump.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 9:25:07am

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:26:19am

re: #551 MsJ

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Goddamn I hope we weren’t set up here because those allegations against Schneiderman are serious.

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makeitstop  May 11, 2018 • 9:26:26am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

Oh crap. Please tell me this isn’t another Franken like thing.

The story is too well-documented to be fake.

But the fact that Trump may have leaked that info to discredit Schneiderman is entirely plausible.

It’s the closest they could get to Putin’s playbook without having the former AG killed outright.
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gocart mozart  May 11, 2018 • 9:27:08am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 9:27:22am

re: #527 JordanRules

From his mouth to the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s orecchiette!

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:29:11am

re: #553 makeitstop

The story is too well-documented to be fake.

But the fact that Trump may have leaked that info to discredit Schneiderman is entirely plausible.

It’s the closest they could get to Putin’s playbook without having the former AG killed outright.
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Right. Gah.

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 9:29:36am

re: #550 HappyWarrior

Too bad we didn’t deport Friedrich Trump.

I’d settle for deporting Donald J. Trump. Boot him for being an enemy to the USA.

Separate him from his family too.

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MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 9:29:38am
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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:30:29am

re: #554 gocart mozart

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Exactly what I’ve been saying and what a certain Senator from Vermont has ignored repeatedly.

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danarchy  May 11, 2018 • 9:33:12am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

You know who were terrorists, Ollie? The Contras, but go ahead and call the VICTIMS of a shooting terrorists, you fucking pig. I’m glad my Grandpa, a real hero told you off.

While I share the feeling on Ollie North, that headline was disingenuous as hell.

The context of what he said was this:

Mr. North said the NRA is now the victim of “civil terrorism” after vandals splashed fake blood on the Virginia home of a top NRA official and other opponents aimed personal “threats” at NRA leaders and members.

“They call them activists. That’s what they’re calling themselves. They’re not activists — this is civil terrorism. This is the kind of thing that’s never been seen against a civil rights organization in America,” he said.

He never referenced the Parkland survivors unless it was a parkland survivor who vandalized some guys house.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:35:24am

re: #560 danarchy

While I share the feeling on Ollie North, that headline was disingenuous as hell.

The context of what he said was this:

He never referenced the Parkland survivors unless it was a parkland survivor who vandalized some guys house.

Okay fair enough. TBH the fake blood is small potatoes to the smear campaign they’ve done against the kids.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2018 • 9:37:09am

re: #560 danarchy

Mr. North said the NRA is now the victim of “civil terrorism” after vandals splashed fake blood on the Virginia home of a top NRA official and other opponents aimed personal “threats” at NRA leaders and members.

“They call them activists. That’s what they’re calling themselves. They’re not activists — this is civil terrorism. This is the kind of thing that’s never been seen against a civil rights organization in America,” he said.

That’s still not terrorism or civil terrorism (whatever the fuck that means).

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:37:35am

I’m talking about Nugent attacking them on the BRA payroll and the memes portraying Hogg as a Nazi and mocking Emma for her style.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:38:43am

re: #562 Dr. Matt

That’s still not terrorism or civil terrorism (whatever the fuck that means).

It’s vandakism. And threats, he has no comment at all how his pos organization encourages threats against people who don’t share their views on guns.

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BeachDem  May 11, 2018 • 9:39:52am

Whatever you think of Rick Wilson, the man does have a way with words:

Trump is like some veldt animal at the edge of a muddy river, continually sniffing the wind for a scent; all he cares about is how the coverage reflects on him, so if he perceives an even slightly negative tone, the people sacrificing their reputations for him go under the bus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 9:41:02am

re: #560 danarchy

While I share the feeling on Ollie North, that headline was disingenuous as hell.

The context of what he said was this:

He never referenced the Parkland survivors unless it was a parkland survivor who vandalized some guys house.

Always important to get past the headlines.

What did he have to say about the Parkland survivors? I saw some other references to them as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 9:42:17am

re: #562 Dr. Matt

That’s still not terrorism or civil terrorism (whatever the fuck that means).

Only in the very broadest sense of the term, but again, he is using a superficial reference to associate these people with ISIS or worse.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:43:06am

He really shouldn’t be using the term terrorism anyhow given what he did in the 80’s.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 9:43:47am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

Okay fair enough. TBH the fake blood is small potatoes to the smear campaign they’ve done against the kids.

Here’s the direct source. I think he was calling all activists civil terrorists from the full story. He also compared what the NRA is going thru to Jim Crow so that was gross.

washingtontimes.com

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:45:09am

re: #569 JordanRules

Here’s the direct source. I think he was calling all activists civil terrorists from the full story. He also compared what the NRA is going thru to Jim Crow so that was gross.

washingtontimes.com

Yeah fuck him. I hope the activists make him regret taking the position.He’s a shitty person. As I said, I was glad my grandfather schooled him.

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danarchy  May 11, 2018 • 9:46:14am

re: #566 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Always important to get past the headlines.

What did he have to say about the Parkland survivors? I saw some other references to them as well.

It is from an interview he did with the washington times and as far as I can tell this is the only mention of Parkland:

“My job is to motivate, inspire, encourage and tell the truth,” he said, though he acknowledged that some would-be political allies are treading carefully after the Parkland shooting.

“There are people running in fear from what happened down in Parkland thinking that the NRA is on its heels — it’s not,” he said. “What we have to do is assure them that being associated with the NRA is a good thing for their re-election chances. It’s a positive thing.”

washingtontimes.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 9:46:50am

re: #569 JordanRules

Here’s the direct source. I think he was calling all activists civil terrorists from the full story. He also compared what the NRA is going thru to Jim Crow so that was gross.

washingtontimes.com

The logic is irreproachable: “if it was not for our guns, they would be lynching us just like in the South 100 years ago!”

/

But again, they have lost the ability to hear how this rhetoric sounds outside the Echo Chamber. it is growing more and more hollow and distant from mainstream opinion and taking on a more and more desperate edge.

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 9:47:26am

re: #565 BeachDem

Whatever you think of Rick Wilson, the man does have a way with words:

Trump is like some veldt animal at the edge of a muddy river, continually sniffing the wind for a scent; all he cares about is how the coverage reflects on him, so if he perceives an even slightly negative tone, the people sacrificing their reputations for him go under the bus.

I don’t trust any of them…but Steve Schmidt has been pretty good lately too.

Video #1 was in response to Donny Duetsch saying give Cohen a break he’s a nice family guy.

#2 Was in response to George Will saying Pence is worse than Trump

Steve Schmidt: Michael Cohen Is Like A ‘Goodfellas’ Character | Deadline | MSNBC

Steve Schmidt: Titanic Fraud Pence Shows Donald Trump Slobbering Servility | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:49:19am

re: #571 danarchy

It is from an interview he did with the washington times and as far as I can tell this is the only mention of Parkland:

washingtontimes.com

The Jim Crow comment you have to admit given that his organization loves to push fear of scary black people and said nothing after a black gun owner was killed by the cops really is bother some. I retract about the Parkland kids but fuck him and the NRA both. I really want them forever discredited. They don’t speak for gun owners in this country. They speak for right wing extremists.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 9:49:30am

re: #571 danarchy

He said that contrary to claims from gun control activists, the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School — which he labeled “a travesty, a failure on the part of the local authorities and unfortunately the FBI as well” — hasn’t fundamentally changed the nature of the gun debate.

He said the young survivor-activists who have emerged as representatives for gun restrictions — and as fierce opponents of the NRA — are getting swept up by a broader propaganda machine.

“What they did very successfully with a frontal assault, and now intimidation and harassment and lawbreaking, is they confused the American people,” he said. “Our job is to get the straight story out about what happened there, and to make sure that kind of thing doesn’t happen again because the proper things are being done with the advocacy of the NRA.”

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:50:08am

NOrth of coures was the fall guy for the President who opened his speech talking about States Rights where three young campaigners against Jim Crow were murdered.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 9:50:26am

re: #572 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The logic is irreproachable: “if it was not for our guns, they would be lynching us just like in the South 100 years ago!”

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But again, they have lost the ability to hear how this rhetoric sounds outside the Echo Chamber. it is growing more and more hollow and distant from mainstream opinion and taking on a more and more desperate edge.

All I want is the ability to selectively vaporize weapons, like Gort in The Day the Earth Stood Still. Is that too much to ask?

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BeachDem  May 11, 2018 • 9:50:49am

re: #569 JordanRules

Here’s the direct source. I think he was calling all activists civil terrorists from the full story. He also compared what the NRA is going thru to Jim Crow so that was gross.

washingtontimes.com

Yeah, the “This is the kind of thing that’s never been seen against a civil rights organization in America” line really stood out as not just tone deaf, but historically brain dead.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:51:10am

re: #575 JordanRules

Yep the usual they’re too stupid to think for themselves Ollie. I can tell you this much. Those kids have experienced more gun violence than most of the snowflakes in your organization ever have including your spokesbot, Dana Loesch who is just there to be a pretty face for gun hoarding.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2018 • 9:51:27am

re: #569 JordanRules

Here’s the direct source. I think he was calling all activists civil terrorists from the full story. He also compared what the NRA is going thru to Jim Crow so that was gross.

washingtontimes.com

I hope and pray he gets dick cancer. What a fucking scumbag.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:52:09am

re: #578 BeachDem

Yeah, the “This is the kind of thing that’s never been seen against a civil rights organization in America” line really stood out as not just tone deaf, but historically brain dead.

I was honestly shocked he didn’t compare the NRA to Holocaust victims because that’s another one they love to do when they’re called out. Did I mention how much I despise the NRA? I don’t hate guns and I don’t haet gun owners but I hate the NRA and I want them investigated to the fullest.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 9:52:11am

re: #575 JordanRules

“What they did very successfully with a frontal assault, and now intimidation and harassment and lawbreaking, is they confused the American people,” he said. “Our job is to get the straight story out about what happened there, and to make sure that kind of thing doesn’t happen again because the proper things are being done with the advocacy of the NRA.”

From this context, North is equating them with criminals and accusing them of intimidation and harassment when all they are doing is changing the tone and nature of the gun debate.

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JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 9:52:38am

re: #582 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From this context, North is equating them with criminals and accusing them of intimidation and harassment when all they are doing is changing the tone and nature of the gun debate.

That was my reading as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 9:53:36am

re: #577 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

All I want is the ability to selectively vaporize weapons, like Gort in The Day the Earth Stood Still. Is that too much to ask?

or like in Kurt Vonnegut’s The Barnhouse Effect, just bend the barrels enough to render them useless.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:53:50am

re: #582 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From this context, North is equating them with criminals and accusing them of intimidation and harassment when all they are doing is changing the tone and nature of the gun debate.

You know why he’s mad? It’s because the current gun activists aren’t afraid of them. The NRA is used to bullying politicians and for the first time in a long time, the NRA is on the defensive on the issue and they fucking know it and they’re scared and it’s why they had to get Ollie in the first place. They had to get an arms dealer who hides behind his veteran status to disguise the fact he’s a crook who belonged in jail.

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danarchy  May 11, 2018 • 9:54:51am

re: #574 HappyWarrior

The Jim Crow comment you have to admit given that his organization loves to push fear of scary black people and said nothing after a black gun owner was killed by the cops really is bother some. I retract about the Parkland kids but fuck him and the NRA both. I really want them forever discredited. They don’t speak for gun owners in this country. They speak for right wing extremists.

Hey I think Ollie is a horrible human being, I just hate when news organizations misrepresent shit for clicks. Especially when there is plenty of other despicable stuff from the same interview they could point out without having to put words in someones mouth.

587
JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 9:55:34am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

I was honestly shocked he didn’t compare the NRA to Holocaust victims because that’s another one they love to do when they’re called out. Did I mention how much I despise the NRA? I don’t hate guns and I don’t haet gun owners but I hate the NRA and I want them investigated to the fullest.

Yeah, I want every penny investigated. They appear to be just as wrapped up in this traitorous mess as the GOP and TrumpWorld.

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:56:07am

re: #586 danarchy

Hey I think Ollie is a horrible human being, I just hate when news organizations misrepresent shit for clicks. Especially when there is plenty of other despicable stuff from the same interview they could point out without having to put words in someones mouth.

I know man. That’s true. And yeah by doing that does sort of aid the fake news rhetoric. That said, we agree he’s a horrible human being who should be called out.

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2018 • 9:56:16am

re: #582 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From this context, North is equating them with criminals and accusing them of intimidation and harassment when all they are doing is changing the tone and nature of the gun debate.

They’re bullying us!!!!

590
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 9:56:24am

re: #584 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

or like in Kurt Vonnegut’s The Barnhouse Effect, just bend the barrels enough to render them useless.

Isn’t that a good way to make them explode when fired? Don’t get me wrong—I’m not arguing against it….

591
HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:57:48am

re: #587 JordanRules

Yeah, I want every penny investigated. They appear to be just as wrapped up in this traitorous mess as the GOP and TrumpWorld.

Their Russian ties are curious and they have increasingly become a blatantly right wign partisan organization. I can remember here in 2009 when both our candidates for governor had more or less the same record on guns but they went hard against Creigh Deeds even though he had previously what you’d call a “pro gun” record. They need to be investigated. And I wouldn’t shed a tear if Loesch, LaPierre, Nugent, and all those assholes got a free orange jumper out of the deal.

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Sir John Barron  May 11, 2018 • 9:58:01am

re: #575 JordanRules

“What they did very successfully with a frontal assault, and now intimidation and harassment and lawbreaking, is they confused the American people,” he said

Um, what “lawbreaking” is Ollie accusing the survivors of?

Not that Ollie should say anything about anyone’s “lawbreaking”.

593
HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 9:58:56am

re: #592 Sir John Barron

Um, what “lawbreaking” is Ollie accusing the survivors of?

Not that Ollie should say anything about anyone’s “lawbreaking”.

Yeah asshole who lied to Congress about selling arms to a hostile regime to fund another fucked up group has no room to talk.

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dangerman  May 11, 2018 • 10:00:15am

re: #565 BeachDem

Whatever you think of Rick Wilson, the man does have a way with words:

Trump is like some veldt animal at the edge of a muddy river, continually sniffing the wind for a scent; all he cares about is how the coverage reflects on him, so if he perceives an even slightly negative tone, the people sacrificing their reputations for him go under the bus.

thats some interesting metaphor mixing there

so close to including a crocodile

595
gocart mozart  May 11, 2018 • 10:00:49am

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 10:03:41am

Is it me, or is this guy just a jerk?

Bunny furious with owner for making bed messy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 10:03:45am

re: #590 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Isn’t that a good way to make them explode when fired? Don’t get me wrong—I’m not arguing against it….

just a slight kink to jam the barrel

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Jay C  May 11, 2018 • 10:04:46am

re: #565 BeachDem

Whatever you think of Rick Wilson, the man does have a way with words:

Trump is like some veldt animal at the edge of a muddy river, continually sniffing the wind for a scent; all he cares about is how the coverage reflects on him, so if he perceives an even slightly negative tone, the people sacrificing their reputations for him go under the bus.

Yep. This: Just like with his stupid “extra terms” comment: he really does seem to view his Presidency as some kind of personality-driven reality-TV show: “ratings” are all that really matter.

PS: Donny: newsflash: when it comes to “ratings”, broadcasting and live-streaming of your impeachment trial in the Senate would likely (unlike your Inaugural) draw the biggest audience of all time…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 10:06:35am

re: #597 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

just a slight kink to jam the barrel

Well, I guess if this didn’t do the job:

90-Degree Barrel | MythBusters

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mmmirele  May 11, 2018 • 10:06:46am

I just ran out to get something to eat and the second story on the BBC World Service’s hourly news bulletin was about Megan McCain on The View criticizing Kelly Sadler. (The first story was France and Germany going “aw hell naw” and saying they’d protect their businesses from the effects of US sanctions going back in on businesses in Iran.)

If Sadler hasn’t resigned by now, she might want to consider it.

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danarchy  May 11, 2018 • 10:08:27am

re: #590 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Isn’t that a good way to make them explode when fired? Don’t get me wrong—I’m not arguing against it….

Apparently not

90-Degree Barrel | MythBusters

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 10:08:55am

re: #598 Jay C

Yep. This: Just like with his stupid “extra terms” comment: he really does seem to view his Presidency as some kind of personality-driven reality-TV show: “ratings” are all that really matter.

PS: Donny: newsflash: when it comes to “ratings”, broadcasting and live-streaming of your impeachment trial in the Senate would likely (unlike your Inaugural) draw the biggest audience of all time…

Maybe when Trump realizes what you are saying, he might just go through it to get those kinds of ratings.

Quick tweet him…

603
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 10:09:17am

re: #601 danarchy

Apparently not

[Embedded content]

Yeah, I was wrong, I guess.

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Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 10:10:27am

Thinking about the Cohen-Schneiderman connection, I suspect it was meant to go like this: Not-president Trump was being investigated by Schneiderman for all of the real estate laundering deals going on in NY. Right around the time indictments come down, Cohen releases the assault information in an attempt to derail the investigation.

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Renaissance_Man  May 11, 2018 • 10:12:02am

Australia’s streak is over. 22 years after the last mass shooting, there has been another one.

Seven dead in first mass shooting in 22 years

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dangerman  May 11, 2018 • 10:12:03am

re: #595 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

is there a question of privilege?
was gleason a client of cohen? did he hire cohen?
were gleason’s two clients also clients of cohen?

was cohen, or the reporter, or trump advising or part of their cases?

cohen said he had 3 clients (ok maybe he meant currently)
that was probably a mistake given at&t, novartis, etc
he didnt protect any of his possible old clients / closed cases

im not seeing how this letter gets anything

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HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 10:12:52am

re: #603 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I was wrong, I guess.

I do appreciate that Dan corrected that. Because what he said on its own was pretty bad.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 11, 2018 • 10:16:00am

Wake up today, go to the Guardian web page, see this as the lead story and my blood boils…

A black man gets locked up on TRUMPED up charges for 5 months about his Facebook posts yet Richard Spencer gets pass after pass to spread his divisive shit.

Handcuffed and shaking in the cold wind, Balogun thought a misunderstanding must have led the FBI to his door on 12 December 2017. The father of three said he was shocked to later learn that agents investigating “domestic terrorism” had been monitoring him for years and were arresting him that day in part because of his Facebook posts criticizing police.

“It’s tyranny at its finest,” said Balogun, 34. “I have not been doing anything illegal for them to have surveillance on me. I have not hurt anyone or threatened anyone.”

Balogun spoke to the Guardian this week in his first interview since he was released from prison after five months locked up and denied bail while US attorneys tried and failed to prosecute him, accusing him of being a threat to law enforcement and an illegal gun owner.

Balogun, who lost his home and more while incarcerated, is believed to be the first person targeted and prosecuted under a secretive US surveillance effort to track so-called “black identity extremists”. In a leaked August 2017 report from the FBI’s Domestic Terrorism Analysis Unit, officials claimed that there had been a “resurgence in ideologically motivated, violent criminal activity” stemming from African Americans’ “perceptions of police brutality”

Fuck the RepubliKKKlan Party and may the Marmalade Shitcannon wind up in the 10th Level Of Hell for destroying America.

theguardian.com

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danarchy  May 11, 2018 • 10:16:44am

re: #606 dangerman

im not seeing how this letter gets anything

If these women were really abused I don’t have a problem with their attorney trying to shield their identities. Wether he is successful or not really isn’t the point, I think he is almost obligated to make the attempt.

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Dr. Matt  May 11, 2018 • 10:19:24am

re: #605 Renaissance_Man

Australia’s streak is over. 22 years after the last mass shooting, there has been another one.

Seven dead in first mass shooting in 22 years


CHEKMATE LIBTARDXZZZ!~!! GUN LAWZ DUNT WERK!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 10:21:26am

re: #601 danarchy

Apparently not

[Embedded content]

Video

I read about the Germans inventing something like that for Stalingrad, but the problem is of course that the bullets tend to wear out one side of the barrel as they take the curve.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 10:22:11am

re: #605 Renaissance_Man

Australia’s streak is over. 22 years after the last mass shooting, there has been another one.

Seven dead in first mass shooting in 22 years

this is what gun-free zones lead to!

/

613
Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 10:22:47am

re: #606 dangerman

is there a question of privilege?
was gleason a client of cohen? did he hire cohen?
were gleason’s two clients also clients of cohen?

was cohen, or the reporter, or trump advising or part of their cases?

cohen said he had 3 clients (ok maybe he meant currently)
that was probably a mistake given at&t, novartis, etc
he didnt protect any of his possible old clients / closed cases

im not seeing how this letter gets anything

Wasn’t this also explained that his other clients were not part of his legal business but the separate Essential Consultants llc?

614
JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 10:23:05am
615
MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 10:24:48am
616
MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 10:27:50am
617
MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 10:29:24am
618
JordanRules  May 11, 2018 • 10:30:21am
619
Semper Fi  May 11, 2018 • 10:31:13am

re: #608 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wake up today, go to the Guardian web page, see this as the lead story and my blood boils…

A black man gets locked up on TRUMPED up charges for 5 months about his Facebook posts yet Richard Spencer gets pass after pass to spread his divisive shit.

Handcuffed and shaking in the cold wind, Balogun thought a misunderstanding must have led the FBI to his door on 12 December 2017. The father of three said he was shocked to later learn that agents investigating “domestic terrorism” had been monitoring him for years and were arresting him that day in part because of his Facebook posts criticizing police.

“It’s tyranny at its finest,” said Balogun, 34. “I have not been doing anything illegal for them to have surveillance on me. I have not hurt anyone or threatened anyone.”

Balogun spoke to the Guardian this week in his first interview since he was released from prison after five months locked up and denied bail while US attorneys tried and failed to prosecute him, accusing him of being a threat to law enforcement and an illegal gun owner.

Balogun, who lost his home and more while incarcerated, is believed to be the first person targeted and prosecuted under a secretive US surveillance effort to track so-called “black identity extremists”. In a leaked August 2017 report from the FBI’s Domestic Terrorism Analysis Unit, officials claimed that there had been a “resurgence in ideologically motivated, violent criminal activity” stemming from African Americans’ “perceptions of police brutality”

Fuck the RepubliKKKlan Party and may the Marmalade Shitcannon wind up in the 10th Level Of Hell for destroying America.

theguardian.com

“Marmalade Shitcannon.” LOL…those are tweets, I think, but good description.

620
HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 10:31:26am

Some friends and I are having an interesting conversation. What’s the world like now if Clinton and not Obama is the Dem nominee in 2008?

621
wrenchwench  May 11, 2018 • 10:32:43am

re: #608 Joe Bacon 🌹

Marmalade Shitcannon

Upding!

622
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 10:35:43am

re: #620 HappyWarrior

Some friends and I are having an interesting conversation. What’s the world like now if Clinton and not Obama is the Dem nominee in 2008?

IMO, pretty much the same. The right-wing screeching would have involved a little more misogyny and a little less racism, but they would have treated her exactly the way they treated Obama, and the chute would have been greased for the same disaster we’ve got now.

623
Jay C  May 11, 2018 • 10:36:37am

re: #620 HappyWarrior

Some friends and I are having an interesting conversation. What’s the world like now if Clinton and not Obama is the Dem nominee in 2008?

Well, according to most BernieBros, you wouldn’t have been having that conversation, since Warmonger Hillary would have blown the world up in a nuclear holocaust by now: which, admittedly, would be “interesting”…

ETA: Otherwise, what VRBoK said @ #622. Though I don’t think a President (H.) Clinton would have spurred Donald Trump on to run as much as Obama did.

624
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 11, 2018 • 10:38:47am

re: #622 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

IMO, pretty much the same. The right-wing screeching would have involved a little more misogyny and a little less racism, but they would have treated her exactly the way they treated Obama, and the chute would have been greased for the same disaster we’ve got now.

Imagine if the Russian bots had been there doing to Obama what they did to Hillary…

625
allegro  May 11, 2018 • 10:39:20am

So I’m hosting a brunch tomorrow and want to offer Bloody Marys as well as Mimosas. No biggie. I go to the liquor store to get mix and vodka which is where I ran into issues. I’m not a vodka drinker so I don’t know one from another. Again, shouldn’t be a big deal except one of my guests is Russian. I figure it would be just my luck if I picked the worst Russian vodka ever made and he would know it. I saw Polish vodkas and Ukranian vodkas and I’m oh shit what do I get. Saw a vodka from Sweden and decided that seemed neutral enough and it was a nice bottle.

Am I over-thinking this? LOL

626
mmmirele  May 11, 2018 • 10:39:43am

re: #618 JordanRules

It’s possible to get a newspaper out from a really, really bad situation like this. The Salt Lake Tribune was in a similar situation—owned by a looting hedge fund and being pressed by the Mormon Church’s Deseret News in a Joint Operating Agreement. Some members of the Huntsman family (not Jon Jr., but his brother) stepped up to negotiate a buyout and the Trib is now owned locally. There was a real fear for a time that the Trib would be put out of business, and then who would keep an eye on the Mormon Church?

A year ago the Trib won a Pulitzer Prize for local reporting in reporting issues with rape reporting at Brigham Young University. That’s a story that wouldn’t have seen the light of day with the Deseret News.

627
Hecuba's daughter  May 11, 2018 • 10:40:03am

re: #622 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

IMO, pretty much the same. The right-wing screeching would have involved a little more misogyny and a little less racism, but they would have treated her exactly the way they treated Obama, and the chute would have been greased for the same disaster we’ve got now.

Who would have been Hillary’s running mate? McCain would not have selected Sarah as , but maybe Romney, and it’s possible that he might have won. Counterfactuals are fun but it’s not clear what would have happened.

628
HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 10:40:11am

re: #622 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

IMO, pretty much the same. The right-wing screeching would have involved a little more misogyny and a little less racism, but they would have treated her exactly the way they treated Obama, and the chute would have been greased for the same disaster we’ve got now.

I don’t see Trump in this universe as a player. Anyhow here’s what I see from here. 2012 is Romney and I think HRC beats him. People once they see the job HRC does, they tend to like her as an office holder more so than a candidate which is what she was this past time. I don’t see Ryan and I don’t see the TP rising. However, the GOP and right are still deranged but I’m not sure who’s president or who HRC picks as her VP. I don’t see her doing Obama as an unity ticket in 2008.

629
dangerman  May 11, 2018 • 10:41:10am

re: #613 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t this also explained that his other clients were not part of his legal business but the separate Essential Consultants llc?

right. so im not seeing how gleason’s ‘claim’ relates

630
HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 10:41:26am

re: #627 Hecuba’s daughter

Who would have been Hillary’s running mate? McCain would not have selected Sarah as , but maybe Romney, and it’s possible that he might have won. Counterfactuals are fun but it’s not clear what would have happened.

McCain was losing no matter what IMO. I agree no Palin. Her hypoethical VP and his in this situation is an interesting thing to consider. In this case, I don’t think he goes with Lieberman.

631
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 10:42:42am

re: #625 allegro

So I’m hosting a brunch tomorrow and want to offer Bloody Marys as well as Mimosas. No biggie. I go to the liquor store to get mix and vodka which is where I ran into issues. I’m not a vodka drinker so I don’t know one from another. Again, shouldn’t be a big deal except one of my guests is Russian. I figure it would be just my luck if I picked the worst Russian vodka ever made and he would know it. I saw Polish vodkas and Ukranian vodkas and I’m oh shit what do I get. Saw a vodka from Sweden and decided that seemed neutral enough and it was a nice bottle.

Am I over-thinking this? LOL

Well, the official U.S. government definition of vodka includes the word “tasteless”, so I don’t know.

How people get away with calling neutral grain spirits that have never been near a potato “vodka” is another question.

632
Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 10:42:47am

re: #627 Hecuba’s daughter

Who would have been Hillary’s running mate? McCain would not have selected Sarah as , but maybe Romney, and it’s possible that he might have won. Counterfactuals are fun but it’s not clear what would have happened.

McCain would have had the same reaction to the start of the recession with Clinton and with Obama, and she would have acted the same. I don’t think McCain would have won in either case.

633
HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 10:43:34am

re: #632 Belafon

McCain would have had the same reaction to the start of the recession with Clinton and with Obama, and she would have acted the same. I don’t think McCain would have won in either case.

The econmic situation in 2008 I think ensures McCain’s defeat. Romney doesn’t help McCain at all and I don’t see them as a good team either.

634
MsJ  May 11, 2018 • 10:44:42am

re: #620 HappyWarrior

Some friends and I are having an interesting conversation. What’s the world like now if Clinton and not Obama is the Dem nominee in 2008?

McCain would have won. He had his mavricky reputation. The press would have done everything to get him elected.

635
ericblair  May 11, 2018 • 10:44:56am

re: #631 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, the official U.S. government definition of vodka includes the word “tasteless:, so I don’t know.

How people get away with calling neutral grain spirits that have never been near a potato “vodka” is another question.

Yeah, overthinking it. The Russians I know aren’t that snotty about the brand of vodka. You might get discussions about other regional spirits that can knock your socks off, though.

636
HappyWarrior  May 11, 2018 • 10:46:16am

re: #634 MsJ

McCain would have won. He had his mavricky reputation. The press would have done everything to get him elected.

I really don’t see it. I think it’s much closer than it was but I think she beats McCain. Re-election is another story.

637
allegro  May 11, 2018 • 10:46:18am

re: #631 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, the official U.S. government definition of vodka includes the word “tasteless:, so I don’t know.

How people get away with calling neutral grain spirits that have never been near a potato “vodka” is another question.

See I didn’t even know vodka was potato booze. Kinda makes me wonder more about the Rye vodkas they had. Never heard of that neither.

638
Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 10:46:24am

re: #631 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, the official U.S. government definition of vodka includes the word “tasteless:, so I don’t know.

How people get away with calling neutral grain spirits that have never been near a potato “vodka” is another question.

According to Wikipedia, vodka is primarily water and ethanol. It doesn’t seem to matter how it got there. It said potatoes or cereal grains, though fruits are also being used.

en.wikipedia.org

639
Belafon  May 11, 2018 • 10:47:20am

I use to hear the joke that the universe is primarily made up of vodka because of its content.

640
Backwoods_Sleuth  May 11, 2018 • 10:54:48am

re: #625 allegro

Trump Vodka should have covered the problem…

(I’ll go back in sit in the corner…)

641
dangerman  May 11, 2018 • 10:56:48am

re: #625 allegro

So I’m hosting a brunch tomorrow and want to offer Bloody Marys as well as Mimosas. No biggie. I go to the liquor store to get mix and vodka which is where I ran into issues. I’m not a vodka drinker so I don’t know one from another. Again, shouldn’t be a big deal except one of my guests is Russian. I figure it would be just my luck if I picked the worst Russian vodka ever made and he would know it. I saw Polish vodkas and Ukranian vodkas and I’m oh shit what do I get. Saw a vodka from Sweden and decided that seemed neutral enough and it was a nice bottle.

Am I over-thinking this? LOL

if you’re mixing, you’re overthinking

642
allegro  May 11, 2018 • 11:05:29am

re: #640 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump Vodka should have covered the problem…

(I’ll go back in sit in the corner…)

LOL

(want a bloody mary?)

643
danarchy  May 11, 2018 • 11:11:03am

re: #625 allegro

So I’m hosting a brunch tomorrow and want to offer Bloody Marys as well as Mimosas. No biggie. I go to the liquor store to get mix and vodka which is where I ran into issues. I’m not a vodka drinker so I don’t know one from another. Again, shouldn’t be a big deal except one of my guests is Russian. I figure it would be just my luck if I picked the worst Russian vodka ever made and he would know it. I saw Polish vodkas and Ukranian vodkas and I’m oh shit what do I get. Saw a vodka from Sweden and decided that seemed neutral enough and it was a nice bottle.

Am I over-thinking this? LOL

Was it Svedka? If so, it is a decent low cost vodka. Most vodkas these days are at least double distilled, most name brands are triple distilled and unless you are a serious expert it is hard to tell the difference.

644
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 11, 2018 • 11:14:57am

re: #643 danarchy

Was it Svedka? If so, it is a decent low cost vodka. Most vodkas these days are at least double distilled, most name brands are triple distilled and unless you are a serious expert it is hard to tell the difference.

While we’re on a Mythbusters kick:

Vodka Top Shelf Filtration

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allegro  May 11, 2018 • 11:37:30am

re: #643 danarchy

Was it Svedka? If so, it is a decent low cost vodka. Most vodkas these days are at least double distilled, most name brands are triple distilled and unless you are a serious expert it is hard to tell the difference.

Yes it is. Thanks for the info!

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ObserverArt  May 11, 2018 • 11:46:24am

re: #640 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump Vodka should have covered the problem…

(I’ll go back in sit in the corner…)

Welcome!

I reside in the corners of the world. You have to only look in front of you that way as it is hard to have anyone sneak up from behind and the sides out of your peripheral vision.


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