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Charles Johnson  May 13, 2018 • 6:25:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 6:26:44pm
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BeachDem  May 13, 2018 • 6:32:10pm

Third degree burn.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 13, 2018 • 6:32:15pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
Pretty sure Bill Kristol would be horrified to find himself being compared to me. He’s anti-Trump but when the chips are down he’s full-on conservative, and that’s the mindset that gave us President Spanky.
8:21 PM - May 13, 2018
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He is definitely neo-con with a foreign policy that we would not approve. But how conservative is he in other aspects of governmental policy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 6:33:11pm
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HappyWarrior  May 13, 2018 • 6:33:27pm

re: #3 BeachDem

Third degree burn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 6:33:35pm

heh

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HappyWarrior  May 13, 2018 • 6:33:46pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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WTF

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BeachDem  May 13, 2018 • 6:35:31pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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You can live it up and die in bed!

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 6:37:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 6:40:59pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2018 • 6:43:52pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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“Purge of conservatives”. Is that like a gaggle of geese or a murder of crows?

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Charles Johnson  May 13, 2018 • 6:44:39pm

re: #4 Hecuba’s daughter

He is definitely neo-con with a foreign policy that we would not approve. But how conservative is he in other aspects of governmental policy?

Very.

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 6:45:30pm
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Dave In Austin  May 13, 2018 • 6:46:24pm

Lou is quoting Smoti…..

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fern01  May 13, 2018 • 6:48:58pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

It was also a murder suicide - 7 members of 1 family. Not a random “lets go and kill some folks” gun murder.

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 6:49:40pm

re: #15 Dave In Austin

Giphy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 6:51:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 6:54:21pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2018 • 6:54:27pm

Anybody see any resemblances here?

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TedStriker  May 13, 2018 • 6:54:48pm

re: #17 teleskiguy

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Stanley Sea  May 13, 2018 • 6:56:27pm

And I’m at my favorite The Crown ep. S1E9

Winston Churchill (John Lithgow) gets his portrait painted. The dialog is exceptional….beyond exceptional. So excited to watch again.

(2nd favorite was the baby bird crunch in France)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 6:59:29pm
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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 6:59:49pm

Obligatory Mother’s Day thingy. My moms and I a long time ago in Durango, CO.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 13, 2018 • 7:00:08pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 13, 2018 • 7:00:52pm

re: #15 Dave In Austin

Why would the Iranian regime release the names of American officials who took a bribe to negotiate a deal which the Iranian regime wanted?

Also, the deal wasn’t just with America. Were bribes given to officials of all of the European countries involved with this deal?

If you’re going to lie, at least make your lies believable.

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scottslemmons  May 13, 2018 • 7:01:53pm

re: #26 Patricia Kayden

Why would the Iranian regime release the names of American officials who took a bribe to negotiate a deal which the Iranian regime wanted?

Also, the deal wasn’t just with America. Were bribes given to officials of all of the European countries involved with this deal?

If you’re going to lie, at least make your lies believable.

You don’t have to make up believable lies for conservatives. They’ll believe any crock of bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 7:05:36pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 13, 2018 • 7:07:42pm

re: #26 Patricia Kayden

Why would the Iranian regime release the names of American officials who took a bribe to negotiate a deal which the Iranian regime wanted?

Also, the deal wasn’t just with America. Were bribes given to officials of all of the European countries involved with this deal?

If you’re going to lie, at least make your lies believable.

Didn’t the mullahs object to this treaty because it tied their hands on development of nuclear weapons?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 7:10:24pm
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Jay C  May 13, 2018 • 7:10:42pm

re: #26 Patricia Kayden

Why would the Iranian regime release the names of American officials who took a bribe to negotiate a deal which the Iranian regime wanted?

Also, the deal wasn’t just with America. Were bribes given to officials of all of the European countries involved with this deal?

If you’re going to lie, at least make your lies believable.

IOW, don’t lie in any way that it would look like something Dim Jim Hoft would put on his blog.

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 7:11:01pm

I currently work at a golf course, so even though I don’t play golf has been on my mind.

Golfing Lizards, I give you the most Trumpian fucking thing a Trump could fucking do at a golf course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 7:11:50pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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freetoken  May 13, 2018 • 7:16:00pm

Trump is a zarf.

He’s a gilded container of all the ugliness of America’s wingnut right.

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William Lewis  May 13, 2018 • 7:16:07pm

re: #25 The Vicious Babushka

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Hey, that’s cool. I have an ex-gf who is whole heartedly vegan so I sent her the link. Hope she enjoys it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 7:21:20pm
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freetoken  May 13, 2018 • 7:24:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 7:24:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 13, 2018 • 7:32:35pm
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calochortus  May 13, 2018 • 7:33:50pm

Good evening and a slightly belated Happy Mother’s Day to moms and everyone who has/had a mom.

I’ve had a nice long chat with my daughter this afternoon and expect to hear from my son this evening (if I disappear suddenly, I’m on the phone,) so it’s all I could want.
Well, that plus the first of the season local wild salmon I sear-roasted and served with burre blanc, brown rice and fava beans. Yum.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 13, 2018 • 7:34:52pm

re: #35 William Lewis

Hey, that’s cool. I have an ex-gf who is whole heartedly vegan so I sent her the link. Hope she enjoys it.

I couldn’t wait to taste them so we ate them for Mother’s Day dinner with our steaks & salad & baked potato & corn on the cob.

SUPER DELICIOUS!!

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calochortus  May 13, 2018 • 7:37:20pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not Trump playing 11th dimensional chess? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

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wheat-dogg  May 13, 2018 • 7:40:48pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here we are witnessing Trump’s vaunted “deal making” in action. He doesn’t bargain. He doesn’t set down parameters. He asks what the other side wants, and then gives it to them. Probably, he expects he can stiff the Chinese in the future, like he has his other business partners. But in matters of international trade, he can’t — not without serious repercussions, anyway.

China knows how to play Trump like a fiddle. Doubtless, he will forget (or has already forgotten) the concession he just announced, but they can now hold his feet to the fire and get what they want. This idiot will hand over to anyone the keys to the realm. I’m very worried what will come out of the meeting with Kim Jong-Un.

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Kafitrar  May 13, 2018 • 7:45:45pm

In the I’m getting old file, I attended my 25th college reunion Saturday. It was crazy seeing all the new buildings. I enjoyed seeing people I went to school with after all these years.

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calochortus  May 13, 2018 • 7:53:40pm

re: #44 Kafitrar

In the I’m getting old file, I attended my 25th college reunion Saturday. It was crazy seeing all the new buildings. I enjoyed seeing people I went to school with after all these years.

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meteor  May 13, 2018 • 7:54:35pm
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austin_blue  May 13, 2018 • 8:00:48pm

In other Norts Spews, the Caps have gone up 2-0 against the Lightning in Tampa Bay. Our Russians and Canadians appear to be better than theirs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 13, 2018 • 8:08:28pm

My 45th high school reunion is coming up next month. Never had any desire to go to any of them because High School was hell for me.

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calochortus  May 13, 2018 • 8:09:46pm

re: #48 Joe Bacon 🌹

I never went to a reunion because many of my friends were from the year behind me or the year ahead of me. I just haven’t cared that much…

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 8:17:31pm

re: #48 Joe Bacon 🌹

I skipped my tenth. My twentieth is in two years. I’m going to skip that as well. I might go to my fiftieth, to see who’s still alive.

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retired cynic  May 13, 2018 • 8:18:34pm

re: #49 calochortus

I never went to a reunion because many of my friends were from the year behind me or the year ahead of me. I just haven’t cared that much…

I have skipped all of my HS and College reunions, now at 48th for College. ACK! I kept saying I’d go if I lost so-many-pounds, and time just slipped away. :^/

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calochortus  May 13, 2018 • 8:23:26pm

re: #51 retired cynic

Ack! Indeed. I’m getting close to my HS 50th and not sure that there will even be a reunion. Probably, but I don’t know if I’d go or not. Maybe if I lose 20 pounds? LOL.

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retired cynic  May 13, 2018 • 8:25:12pm

I’ve been enjoying reading John Scalzi’s Reader Request columns this evening. For example:

Edward Brennan: Should one be civil to those people who are not civil to you? Obviously, we should not normally be assholes, but is being an asshole a justified response to an asshole? What about if someone is being an asshole to others, what do we do?

My general rule of thumb is to treat people with civility until and unless they give you a reason not to. Where that line is for each person is in a different place, and may depend on context. Also let’s also note there’s a difference between tolerating people who might be momentarily rude and/or obnoxious, and tolerating the actions of people who believe you or someone else aren’t fully human and/or don’t have a right to the same freedoms and privileges they might enjoy. Much of the question of “civility” these days boils down to racists and bigots plaintively whining that their opinion that other people are somehow inferior isn’t treated with respect and gravity. And, well. Fuck those guys. Fuck them right up the nose. As I’ve said before, if you want me to treat your ideas with respect, get better ideas.

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JordanRules  May 13, 2018 • 8:25:27pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dangerman  May 13, 2018 • 8:25:47pm

Mrs dm and I are back in Denver

Mrs dm now has a lot of paraphernalia that’s gotta come along when traveling
Southwest was very accommodating in that regard
Thanks to those of you who offered to assist

Our schedule is fluid and not nailed down so I can’t make plans
Surgery is scheduled for Tuesday, don’t know when yet.

You’ll know what I know soon after I know it

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retired cynic  May 13, 2018 • 8:26:05pm

re: #52 calochortus

Ack! Indeed. I’m getting close to my HS 50th and not sure that there will even be a reunion. Probably, but I don’t know if I’d go or not. Maybe if I lose 20 pounds? LOL.

I lost 20 pounds, but still need to lose, um, a LOT. Heh.

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calochortus  May 13, 2018 • 8:29:39pm

re: #56 retired cynic

I lost 20 pounds, but still need to lose, um, a LOT. Heh.

I could stand to lose a few more pounds than that, but I’m tall, have the bone structure of a Neanderthal and will never be slender. Twenty would be great.

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wheat-dogg  May 13, 2018 • 8:30:34pm

re: #56 retired cynic

I lost 20 pounds, but still need to lose, um, a LOT. Heh.

After seeing a few photos of my former HS classmates on Facebook, I think my weight is not so bad. When I left HS, my waist was 28-30”. Now it’s 34”.

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 8:33:09pm

re: #55 dangerman

Mrs dm now has a lot of paraphernalia that’s gotta come along when traveling

Eek! I hope this isn’t what I think it is.

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austin_blue  May 13, 2018 • 8:33:40pm

re: #53 retired cynic

I’ve been enjoying reading John Scalzi’s Reader Request columns this evening. For example:

I’m reading Scalzi’s new book Head On right now. It’s set in the Haden universe of Locked In. It’s a really fast read. he’s a lovely author, taut in his description of the milieu. Good read.

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Ace-o-aces  May 13, 2018 • 8:40:19pm
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austin_blue  May 13, 2018 • 8:40:42pm

re: #58 wheat-dogg

After seeing a few photos of my former HS classmates on Facebook, I think my weight is not so bad. When I left HS, my waist was 28-30”. Now it’s 34”.

I’m still the same weight I was in high school, around 150 #’s. Slightly redistributed over the last 44 years (back in the day, I played soccer and swam), an inch bigger in the waist, a little less upper body mass, but all in all, not bad. And I’ve still got all my hair. It’s just gray.

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Ace-o-aces  May 13, 2018 • 8:45:48pm

Well, this photo has aged badly.

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wheat-dogg  May 13, 2018 • 8:47:38pm

re: #62 austin_blue

I’m still the same weight I was in high school, around 150 #’s. Slightly redistributed over the last 44 years (back in the day, I played soccer and swam), an inch bigger in the waist, a little less upper body mass, but all in all, not bad. And I’ve still got all my hair. It’s just gray.

I wish I could say I still had most of my hair, but there is a bare patch at the top, It started turning gray when I hit 40, and now it’s snow white. Thanks, Mom!

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Ace-o-aces  May 13, 2018 • 8:57:15pm
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calochortus  May 13, 2018 • 8:57:16pm

Ah well, I’m out for the evening. Hasta mañana, all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 13, 2018 • 9:14:04pm

Greetings Lizards!

I’ve been visiting Canada for the last two weeks and in about an hour will be crossing back into the U.S. for the first time since Trump became President. Here’s to hoping there are no shenanigans.

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Mike Lamb  May 13, 2018 • 9:22:47pm

re: #29 Hecuba’s daughter

Didn’t the mullahs object to this treaty because it tied their hands on development of nuclear weapons?

Why would they wait until after the deal was scuttled to reveal this info? Makes zero sense.

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austin_blue  May 13, 2018 • 9:29:48pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Greetings Lizards!

I’ve been visiting Canada for the last two weeks and in about an hour will be crossing back into the U.S. for the first time since Trump became President. Here’s to hoping there are no shenanigans.

Don’t talk about Sharia law or Soros and you should be okay. Unless you are black or brown. In that case, you’ll just get remanded.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. A deserved action based on ethnicity and a dubiously possible threat.

In extremis, just say “I’m a Hoser, eh?” That oughta work. Offer them a toque in compensation.

Sorry, Canuck prejudice stream of consciousness. It’s aboot time I quit that shit.

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plansbandc  May 13, 2018 • 9:31:08pm
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freetoken  May 13, 2018 • 9:43:32pm

I know it’s been noticed before, but just to remind us, the French word “trompe” means “deceived”.

Have Google translate speak “trompe” if you need the connection.

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austin_blue  May 13, 2018 • 9:47:21pm

re: #71 freetoken

I know it’s been noticed before, but just to remind us, the French word “trompe” means “deceived”.

Have Google translate speak “trompe” if you need the connection.

Trompe l’oeil, a “deception of the eye”. A term generally related to a painting or mural on a wall, often interior, to make it appear to be something that it isn’t.

A lovely term of art.

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mmmirele  May 13, 2018 • 10:11:05pm

re: #72 austin_blue

Trompe l’oeil, a “deception of the eye”. A term generally related to a painting or mural on a wall, often interior, to make it appear to be something that it isn’t.

A lovely term of art.

I love this particular example of the art

Camera degli Sposi, ceiling, Mantua, Italy, painted by Andrea Mantegna.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 13, 2018 • 10:15:59pm

Border update: To my surprise we did not get pulled into secondary. Not that we had anything to hide but you pull up to a pretty empty crossing this time of night and you never know.

So we are safely back in America.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 13, 2018 • 10:16:03pm

The rest of the thread

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austin_blue  May 13, 2018 • 10:16:50pm

re: #73 mmmirele

I love this particular example of the art

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Camera degli Sposi, ceiling, Mantua, Italy, painted by Andrea Mantegna.

Gorgeous, isn’t it? Whenever we go to the UK, we search out places where that is featured. Old manner houses, Cathedrals, museums- we absolutely love that kind of art. And in the UK, it can be found everywhere.

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KGxvi  May 13, 2018 • 10:36:59pm

re: #27 scottslemmons

You don’t have to make up believable lies for conservatives. They’ll believe any crock of bullshit.

I mean, i’d’ve totally done that, so they must have done that because they are definitely worse than us

Or: MORE PROJECTION THAN A FUCKING IMAX IN MOTHERFUCKING SPACE

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freetoken  May 13, 2018 • 10:37:46pm

re: #73 mmmirele

Almost as good at fooling the eye as McNaughton….

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Grunthos the Flatulent  May 13, 2018 • 10:38:13pm

re: #42 calochortus

It’s not Trump playing 11th dimensional chess? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

We think he’s stuck one of the pawns up his nose.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 10:48:46pm

We saw the example of the MAGA fan going from “Fuck China!” to “This must be a great deal because Trump is behind it!” within minutes, and his staff has lost a lot of sleep figuring out how to spin and present this.

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 10:51:48pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 10:54:53pm

I had to explain to a number of people that we did not really move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, we just changed the sign outside the US Consulate there, the real embassy work will continue to be done at the complex in Tel Aviv.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 13, 2018 • 10:56:57pm

re: #79 Grunthos the Flatulent

We think he’s stuck one of the pawns up his nose.

It is chess — trying alternate strategies to destroy America while Congress ignores his moves and lets him get away with it.

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austin_blue  May 13, 2018 • 10:59:03pm

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We saw the example of the MAGA fan going from “Fuck China!” to “This must be a great deal because Trump is behind it!” within minutes, and his staff has lost a lot of sleep figuring out how to spin and present this.

I don’t think it *can* be spun. It’s just the usual chaos and incoherence on the part of this administration.

It’s just shit flying of the blades of the fan and temporarily packaged as “policy” under further “review”.

There is no real policy. It’s just bullshit. No one knows what is going on.

That’s dangerous as shit.

I’m off for the rack. Night all. Hope we’re all still here in the morning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 11:01:45pm

re: #84 austin_blue

I don’t think it *can* be spun. It’s just the usual chaos and incoherence on the part of this administration.

The scary part is that it will and the press will go along with it and present “both sides” of this “policy debate” where there is no policy to debate.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2018 • 11:02:16pm

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had to explain to a number of people that we did not really move the US Embassy to Jerusalem, we just changed the sign outside the US Consulate there, the real embassy work will continue to be done at the complex in Tel Aviv.

Just perfect, innit? No functional change at all, just an egregious political provocation that Donny doesn’t even understand the meaning of. But Bolton does, I’m sure, and that’s all that matters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 11:03:20pm

re: #86 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Just perfect, innit? No functional change at all, just an egregious political provocation that Donny doesn’t even understand the meaning of. But Bolton does, I’m sure, and that’s all that matters.

And we have been told that he has “fulfilled Biblical prophecy” which is another big bonus point, bring us one step closer to Armageddon, which is the active policy of a lot of Fundamentalist Christians…

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goddamnedfrank  May 13, 2018 • 11:03:57pm

re: #84 austin_blue

I don’t think it *can* be spun. It’s just the usual chaos and incoherence on the part of this administration.

It’s just shit flying of the blades of the fan and temporarily packaged as “policy” under further “review”.

There is no real policy. It’s just bullshit. No one knows what is going on.

That’s dangerous as shit.

I’m off for the rack. Night all. Hope we’re all still here in the morning.

Seriously I half expected them to come out and say his Twitter account had been hacked because it’s pretty much the most fucking cucked, antitethically “America First” tweet imaginable. Like, why in the the world should his followers be expected to give a shit about China losing jobs?

I’ve been shaking my head for hours and eventually started drinking pretty heavily just to cope with the fuckery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 11:09:54pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Seriously I half expected them to come out and say his Twitter account had been hacked because it’s pretty much the most fucking cucked, antitethically “America First” tweet imaginable. Like, why in the the world should his followers be expected to give a shit about China losing jobs?

And yet they are all stating their admiration for his deal-making abilities and that this must be a good thing because he is behind it.

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 11:13:16pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

This is all I got in the SocMed realm. Just… What the fuck?!? I’m right there with you in utter confusion and disbelief.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2018 • 11:16:42pm

re: #89 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And yet they are all stating their admiration for his deal-making abilities and that this must be a good thing because he is behind it.

It sounds crazy to us, but Reel Amerikanz from the Heartland, as the robber barons steal them blind, need the cheap Chinese prison-made crap funneled through the Wall*Mart to maintain their “lifestyle” that allows them to pretend to themselves they’re “middle class”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 11:19:09pm

re: #91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It sounds crazy to us, but Reel Amerikanz from the Heartland, as the robber barons steal them blind, need the cheap Chinese prison-made crap funneled through the Wall*Mart to maintain their “lifestyle” that allows them to pretend to themselves they’re “middle class”.

It creates jobs! Part-time jobs without benefits with irregular hours at the local Wal-Mart stocking shelves.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 13, 2018 • 11:20:44pm

re: #91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What I mean to say is, they’re more dependent on the health of the Chinese economy than they are on ours, and Donny’s handlers know that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 13, 2018 • 11:22:35pm

re: #91 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It sounds crazy to us, but Reel Amerikanz from the Heartland, as the robber barons steal them blind, need the cheap Chinese prison-made crap funneled through the Wall*Mart to maintain their “lifestyle” that allows them to pretend to themselves they’re “middle class”.

The combination of cheap goods and easy credit are how 40 years of no wage growth were hidden

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 11:30:17pm

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

The combination of cheap goods and easy credit are how 40 years of no wage growth were hidden

And then they lost faith in the American Dream and turned to a person who vowed to restore it…by helping Chinese companies.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 13, 2018 • 11:31:01pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 11:33:04pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Robert Jeffress says “you can’t be saved by being a Jew,” and “Mormonism is a heresy from the pit of hell.” He’s said the same about Islam. Such a religious bigot should not be giving the prayer that opens the United States Embassy in Jerusalem.

We moved the embassy to Jerusalem to please those very people who hold such beliefs.

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freetoken  May 13, 2018 • 11:41:04pm

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I wondered how long it would take for the Mormon Trump supporters to realize that Trump championing fundamentalist Christians is Trump championing the very people who have been persecuting Mormons since the days of Joseph Smith.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 13, 2018 • 11:42:51pm

re: #98 freetoken

I wondered how long it would take for the Mormon Trump supporters to realize that Trump championing the fundamentalist Christians is Trump championing the very people who have been persecuting Mormons since the days of Joseph Smith.

Trump himself does not give a shit as he obviously does not believe any of it, but he is willing to accept the support of Fundamentalists and will promote their agenda much more so than Ronald Reagan ever did.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 13, 2018 • 11:56:32pm

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump himself does not give a shit as he obviously does not believe any of it, but he is willing to accept the support of Fundamentalists and will promote their agenda much more so than Ronald Reagan ever did.

Reagan specifically invited Evangelicals in. He cared enough about them to include them in his party. Ever since Paul Weyrich, they have stuck to the GOP like glue.

As for Mormons, they care a lot more about voting for R-Mammon.

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teleskiguy  May 13, 2018 • 11:57:25pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 13, 2018 • 11:59:16pm

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump himself does not give a shit as he obviously does not believe any of it, but he is willing to accept the support of Fundamentalists and will promote their agenda much more so than Ronald Reagan ever did.

The fundies really showed their true colors when they failed to go completely apeshit at the revelation that Nancy Reagan was consulting an astrologer. That’s normally serious pit-of-hell stuff to them, but it was Reagan so they let it slide.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 13, 2018 • 11:59:39pm

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 14, 2018 • 12:01:39am

re: #101 teleskiguy

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They were hilarious in “The Lame List” segments on Almost Live.

The Lame List ( S10E08 )

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 12:15:32am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹

Reagan specifically invited Evangelicals in. He cared enough about them to include them in his party. Ever since Paul Weyrich, they have stuck to the GOP like glue.

not really, he tossed them aside as soon as Nancy’s house astrologer told them it was safe. But for that, they took it in stride but realized that they could trust nobody, and started insinuating their people into all levels of government, education, the media, public administration and even the military.

now they have their man a heartbeat away from the presidency.

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teleskiguy  May 14, 2018 • 12:17:21am

I got pinged talking about John McCain with a Monty Python dude, once upon a time…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 12:25:31am

re: #106 teleskiguy

I got pinged talking about John McCain with a Monty Python dude, once upon a time…

I was a registered Republican and even voted for McCain in the 2000 GOP primaries and might have supported him in the general. But that was a long, long time ago.

The Fundamentalist wing of the GOP was opposed to his social policies and were threatening to bail on him and the party and run their own candidate. They certainly would have had he picked Joe Lieberman as running mate.

And had Sarah just smiled and looked good and let people project their own notion of the ideal candidate onto her, it might have worked, but they should have known in advance that was not possible with her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 12:32:22am

Trump Praises Late Mom in Mother’s Day Video—But Fails to Mention Melania

President Donald Trump posted a Mother’s Day video to Twitter in which he praised his late mother, Mary MacLeod Trump…Yet there is one key person the president somehow failed to mention in the entire video—First Lady Melania Trump. The mother of her 12-year-old son, Barron, was not mentioned once during the entire address (and for that matter neither were the mothers of his other children, Ivana Trump and Marla Maples).

and that is the point, he did not want to remind people that there are multiple mothers involved in his own family…

…and again, if Obama had five children by three different mothers?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 12:47:10am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump Praises Late Mom in Mother’s Day Video—But Fails to Mention Melania

President Donald Trump posted a Mother’s Day video to Twitter in which he praised his late mother, Mary MacLeod Trump…Yet there is one key person the president somehow failed to mention in the entire video—First Lady Melania Trump. The mother of her 12-year-old son, Barron, was not mentioned once during the entire address (and for that matter neither were the mothers of his other children, Ivana Trump and Marla Maples).

and that is the point, he did not want to remind people that there are multiple mothers involved in his own family…

…and again, if Obama had five children by three different mothers?

With all the complaints about a sleeveless dress and Dijon mustard on a freakin’ hamburger, the whinge would have been heard around the Solar System.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 12:49:55am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2018 • 12:50:42am

On Mother’s Day 2012, I still had a mother, a grandmother, a stepmother and a mother-in-law. They were all gone in a little over 2 years. My mother-in-law and stepmother died on the same day in 2013. My grandmother followed a few weeks later, just after her 105th birthday. My mom passed on July 23, 2014. I last spoke to her about 5 hours before she died. My last words to her were, “I love you, mama,” which had probably been my first thoughts of her 65 years earlier.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 12:53:03am

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

With all the complaints about a sleeveless dress and Dijon mustard on a freakin’ hamburger, the whinge would have been heard around the Solar System.

and that is what really pissed me off about conservatives after 2008

Obama could have been held up as a poster child as proof that the American Dream can work, namely that anyone, regardless of race or social origin who works hard and applies themselves can rise to even the highest office in the land.

But that would have involved acknowledging his accomplishments, however grudgingly, and somehow they just could not bring their bigoted selves to do that.

So instead we heard that he was a Kenyan Muslim, an affirmative action baby, a terrorist sympathizer, etc., anything to distract from the fact that he was erudite and educated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 12:57:01am

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

I called my mom out on her Homophobia last night. We got into a huge argument now she thinks I’m gay. Literally every-time I’ve called somebody out on their homophobia, they ask me am I gay. You don’t have to be apart of the community to call out bigotry. That’s y’all problem now

I had that issue in high school as well, although I did not have any (openly) gay friends (they did not come out until later), I had no issue with homosexuality and did not tolerate gay-bashers.

Probably just because I was a bit of an outsider and weirdo and understood what it was like being a minority.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 1:00:32am

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

On Mother’s Day 2012, I still had a mother, a grandmother, a stepmother and a mother-in-law. They were all gone in a little over 2 years. My mother-in-law and stepmother died on the same day in 2013. My grandmother followed a few weeks later, just after her 105th birthday. My mom passed on July 23, 2014. I last spoke to her about 5 hours before she died. My last words to her were, “I love you, mama,” which had probably been my first thoughts of her 65 years earlier.

That must have been hard on you being so close together. My sincere condolences on your loss.

My own mother called me on Mother’s Day, to find out how we’re faring after the tornado.

My father’s mother and her mother died within two weeks of each other in 1984 (I’d just been to Massachusetts to visit them from Virginia Beaach), my mother’s mother died in 2013 (I was not told until much later), and her mother in 1993 (I flew home on emergency leave from Spain for her funeral).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 1:15:56am

wow, 100,101 already! only 99,899 to go to 200K!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2018 • 1:23:42am

Woman who killed husband may have served lover’s remains at BBQ

Obviously the Trump administration could find a place for her in order to continue the tradition established by renowned 19th century Republican cannibal Alferd Packer. Press secretary perhaps? FDA Comissioner?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 1:27:27am

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Woman who killed husband may have served lover’s remains at BBQ

Sweeny Todd baked them into pies!

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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2018 • 1:31:32am

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I was sure it was going to somewhere in E. Texas….. Obviously Pence’s fault.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2018 • 1:40:48am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sweeny Todd baked them into pies!

The aptly named Tod Slaughter portrayed Sweeney in the 1936 film version.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 1:43:59am

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 1:44:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 1:48:50am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

we show our love of America by the delight in which we torture terror suspects…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 1:55:59am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we show our love of America by the delight in which we torture terror suspects…

And sell weapons to sanctioned countries to fund right wing death squads who rape nuns to get around Congressional sanctions then promote that guy to the head of the NRA… .

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 1:56:19am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 2:04:35am

As a reminder, Hillary Clinton got more votes than Donald Trump from active duty personnel.

statista.com

Veterans went 2-1 for Trump. Active duty went for Clinton, with a significant minority for Johnson. Elderly persons in general went for Trump, because (R).

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 2:10:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 2:11:10am

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹

As a reminder, Hillary Clinton got more votes than Donald Trump from active duty personnel.

statista.com

Veterans went 2-1 for Trump. Active duty went for Clinton, with a significant minority for Johnson. Elderly persons in general went for Trump, because (R).

The only thing that Trump has proposed that I can support is to increase VA spending by 6% (although a 10% increase is the minimum necessary to solve its current problems)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 2:12:17am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

Mothers should definitely be compensated for their labor. A Short Mother’s Day Thread.

I was the house husband who raised four of our kids. I contributed around 10-15% of the income but mostly took care of the household.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 2:20:04am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The only thing that Trump has proposed that I can support is to increase VA spending by 6% (although a 10% increase is the minimum necessary to solve its current problems)

Trump’s proposal was vapourware. Notice the GOP and Trump forgot about that the second he won (just like every other Republican in my lifetime).

Hillary Clinton had a comprehensive veteran and active duty plan, which she laid out and the press ignored (because Republican is default).

hillaryclinton.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 2:32:31am

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

Trump’s proposal was vapourware. Notice the GOP and Trump forgot about that the second he won (just like every other Republican in my lifetime).

Hillary Clinton had a comprehensive veteran and active duty plan, which she laid out and the press ignored (because Republican is default).

Because the press preferred to show an empty podium waiting for Trump to show up than anything constructive or positive that Hillary had to say.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 2:46:34am

Don’t call them terrorist though …

Georgia sniper idolized Parkland shooter in manifesto before wounding two in highway shooting (Broward County, Fla. Sun-Sentinal, more at the link):

A Georgia highway sniper left behind a “hate-filled” manifesto lauding Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz before terrorizing drivers with a pistol, police said Saturday.

Rex Harbour, who took his own life after being confronted by authorities Friday, wrote that the jailed school gunman gave him “courage and confidence,” according to the Hill County Sheriff’s Office.

The 26-year-old landscaper-turned-shooter unleashed at least 17 bullets on travelers from the cover of a forest along Georgia 365, striking two people and seven vehicles.

A woman called 911 after Harbour’s spray of bullets struck her 54-year-old husband in the hip while they drove north on the highway. Her panicked plea for help came just before noon and was followed by more drivers inundated by gunfire, police said at a press conference.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 2:48:33am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

Don’t call them terrorist though …

Georgia sniper idolized Parkland shooter in manifesto before wounding two in highway shooting (Broward County, Fla. Sun-Sentinal, more at the link):

the term is often applied too loosely and subjectively and for the purpose of pushing a certain agenda, usually directed at minorities or immigrants.

In the broadest sense he is a terrorist, but he does not seem to be part of any organization.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 2:52:58am

more video of that crazy racist…the obvious fake tears, even the cop knows they are obviously fake.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 2:58:19am

A Mother’s Day message to Dana Loesch (6:40)

Happy Mother’s Day Dana Loesch

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 3:12:16am

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

more video of that crazy racist…the obvious fake tears, even the cop knows they are obviously fake.

What a bunch of histrionics.

Even if the bar-b-que was illegal, and even if the appropriate response was to call the police (neither were), she puts on a crying jag?

But we’re the snowflakes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 3:13:10am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 3:14:29am

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

The comments are a hoot (pasting her callng the cops into a bunch of Civil Rights Era photos).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 3:18:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 3:32:48am
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Lupin  May 14, 2018 • 3:47:28am

Chris Cillizza: There is nothing more maddening — and counterproductive — to me than saying that Trump’s 59 million votes were all racist.

Maddening, counterproductive, perhaps — but is it wrong?

Out of a total adult population of 250 million Americans in 2016, I don’t find it impossible to believe that 59 million (a mere 23%) are racists or comfortable with racism. Frankly, I think it’s more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 4:24:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 4:27:07am
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jeffreyw  May 14, 2018 • 4:37:36am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 4:41:05am

blech

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 4:42:51am

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 4:58:53am
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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 5:16:57am

That Trump would decide that it was better to feed the fantasies of the (Darbyist) Christian fundamentalists rather than stick with the long-held tradition of attempting to be a neutral broker in hot-button issues is hardly surprising.

Trump has always been about what gets him the most attention.

If the rest of the world burns, then so be it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 5:17:24am
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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 5:21:56am

America, 2018:

Florida group sues Collier schools over unbalanced science books

His group claims science textbooks approved during Tuesday’s school board meeting go against a Florida law that requires these educational materials to be balanced and accurate.

“I’m here to tell you that it’s not up to the school district to indoctrinate kids with one view as a proven fact rather than present both sides,” Flaugh said.

He said evolution should be taught along with creationism, and that climate change should be taught with an alternative viewpoint too.

He want’s balance in education.

A bill passed last year lets Flaugh, and other taxpayers give their input, and to object 15 of 23 of the approved science books for the 2017-18 curriculum.

[…]

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 5:52:10am

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No one has said that Chris. They’ve said what Rag said which is they were okay with his racism. Actually read what people say instead of being a passive aggressive concern trolling douche.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 5:54:01am

re: #149 freetoken

America, 2018:

Florida group sues Collier schools over unbalanced science books

“Balance with evolution” isn’t science. Neither is climate change denial.

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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 5:57:30am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

“Balance with evolution” isn’t science. Neither is climate change denial.

But the State of Florida decided that was not the important issue.

When the law was passed, it was intended to do exactly what the creationist group is attempting.

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dangerman  May 14, 2018 • 6:00:00am

re: #59 teleskiguy

Eek! I hope this isn’t what I think it is.

nah, no such luck

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 6:00:48am

re: #152 freetoken

But the State of Florida decided that was not the important issue.

When the law was passed, it was intended to do exactly what the creationist group is attempting.

All it is a bunch of pandering bullshit to the RR kooks.

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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 6:02:51am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

All it is a bunch of pandering bullshit to the RR kooks.

Who are driving laws in the US.

In this latest case I linked, this is the second time this group has worked to undermine their school district. They did the same thing before, and that case according to the report is currently in the courts.

So not only are the fundamentalists pushing atavism, they are hoping to clog up the court system with such items.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 14, 2018 • 6:03:40am

Watching the new embassy open in Jerusalem just puts a rock in my gut. This may end so badly. So un necessarily.

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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 6:04:37am

re: #156 Unshaken Defiance

Watching the new embassy open in Jerusalem just puts a rock in my gut. This may end so badly. So un necessarily.

Some men want to watch the world burn.

Donald Trump is one of those men, along with the fundamentalists who are playing him.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 6:07:13am

re: #156 Unshaken Defiance

Watching the new embassy open in Jerusalem just puts a rock in my gut. This may end so badly. So un necessarily.

It’s going to endanger American diplomats and neither Trump nor Bibi nor their allies care.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 6:07:38am

re: #155 freetoken

Who are driving laws in the US.

In this latest case I linked, this is the second time this group has worked to undermine their school district. They did the same thing before, and that case according to the report is currently in the courts.

So not only are the fundamentalists pushing atavism, they are hoping to clog up the court system with such items.

Yep. Man it stinks.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 6:07:40am

re: #152 freetoken

But the State of Florida decided that was not the important issue.

When the law was passed, it was intended to do exactly what the creationist group is attempting.

Good enough. Let the creationist show evidence of his claims.

They tried this stunt in Dover, Penna.

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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 6:10:18am

re: #160 Anymouse 🌹

Good enough. Let the creationist show evidence of his claims.

They tried this stunt in Dover, Penna.

Do not believe that the future will replicate the past.

It is quite possible that in the future that Christian fundamentalism will be given more preference in the laws of our lands.

Look at what Trump is doing unilaterally, to fulfill fantasies here and there.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 14, 2018 • 6:14:00am

re: #160 Anymouse 🌹

There was once a debate between men about boiling water and the exact temperature. In every circumstance such as altitude and size of container the water won the argument.

Physics. Setting the rules long before science could be a thought.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 6:15:19am

re: #161 freetoken

Do not believe that the future will replicate the past.

It is quite possible that in the future that Christian fundamentalism will be given more preference in the laws of our lands.

Look at what Trump is doing unilaterally, to fulfill fantasies here and there.

They have been working toward that goal ever since the idea of Christian Reconstructionism came out.

The arc of society has been to further remove religion from the affairs of state, not the other way round.

What Fundamentalists (and many other Christians as you will find a wide swath across all faiths who think the Bible should be taught in science classes and school should be opened with prayers) tend to forget is Separation of Church and State exists to protect churches from the depredation of state power as well as protecting the state.

The Roman Catholic Church is the largest denomination in the USA. If you put religion up for a vote, Fundamentalists and others would be howling just as hard for that wall of separation as they have tried to tear it down since long before I was born.

“Well, we put it to a vote, and as our school district is 56% Catholic, we will be holding the Angelus every day in school.”

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Shropshire Slasher  May 14, 2018 • 6:17:02am

Old news (Friday) but The ex-speaker of the New York state Assembly Sheldon Silver was found guilty of selling his office for $4 million in kickbacks, and I got a kick out of this quote:

Goldberg, who grew up with Silver on the Lower East Side, said his childhood pal assured him their arrangement was aboveboard.

“I said, ‘Is this all right, Shelly?’” Goldberg told the jury.

“Of course,” he said Silver responded. “I’m a lawyer.

nypost.com

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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 6:18:13am

re: #162 Unshaken Defiance

Physics. Setting the rules long before science could be a thought.

A woman tied to a chair with weights will sink in water.

Therefore in such a manner a woman can prove she’s not a witch.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 6:20:03am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 6:25:13am

Why won’t Devin Nunes assimilate into American society? /s

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 6:38:13am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not going to give away the reality check punch line for Rep. Nunes at the end of the article, but reading his connexions to Portugal (and not all of his relatives are from there) and coming across the very last line is worth the read (along with his troubling past to leak classified information to the Portuguese government).

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 6:54:06am

Always does amuse me when genealogical research, my hobby shows why know nothing’s are hypocrites. I mean I don’t expect people to know their great grandparent couldn’t speak English but I guess that’s why I’m not a nativist. I don’t know the exact history and what happened. I do have the naturalization records for four ancestors and the notes on two others.

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ObserverArt  May 14, 2018 • 6:55:26am

re: #162 Unshaken Defiance

There was once a debate between men about boiling water and the exact temperature. In every circumstance such as altitude and size of container the water won the argument.

Physics. Setting the rules long before science could be a thought.

Fundamentalists think God controls the physics. Therefore if a true Christian prays hard enough then God will just simply change the physics for their benefit.

Things that might piss off God and cause him to mess with the physics…

Homosexuality
Liberals/Progressives
Democrats
Athiests
Drugs/Alcohol
Any Religion not fundamental Christianity

So, if any of the above are currently actively living on God’s Green Earth™ then the physics are bad and that is why everything is a mess in the fundamentalists eyes.

Only by prayer, huge donations to your local fundie preacher and earthly works like making sure God is represented in school books, weather reports and of course conservative politics can a good Christian count on making it through God’s pearly gates.

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Belafon  May 14, 2018 • 6:55:40am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My next goal is 186,282.

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ipsos  May 14, 2018 • 6:57:06am

re: #171 Belafon

My next goal is 186,282.

I’m holding out for 299,792.

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Belafon  May 14, 2018 • 6:59:07am

re: #172 ipsos

I’m holding out for 299,792.

It doesn’t count if your not holding out for 299,792,458.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 14, 2018 • 6:59:39am

re: #172 ipsos

I’m holding out for 299,792.

I’m just trying to keep my ratio above π.

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Sea Mexican!  May 14, 2018 • 7:06:26am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When something is too unethical for Uber, you know it’s really bad.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 7:06:49am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Always does amuse me when genealogical research, my hobby shows why know nothing’s are hypocrites. I mean I don’t expect people to know their great grandparent couldn’t speak English but I guess that’s why I’m not a nativist. I don’t know the exact history and what happened. I do have the naturalization records for four ancestors and the notes on two others.

Well, I don’t have the naturalisation records of any of my great-grandparents (some were born here), but my immigrant grandparents and great-grandparents from my father’s side did speak English.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 7:08:40am

Delaware becomes first state to ban child marriage (defined as under eighteen). There are no exceptions under the law.

Democratic Gov. John Carney signed a bill this week making it illegal for anyone under age 18 to get married, even with parental consent.

Before this, minors in Delaware could get married at any age with parental consent and a judge’s approval, officials said.

(more)
cnn.com

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makeitstop  May 14, 2018 • 7:08:50am

Trump: ‘Not so fast, Jared. This is my party.’

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 7:09:17am

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I don’t have the naturalisation records of any of my great-grandparents (some were born here), but my immigrant grandparents and great-grandparents from my father’s side did speak English.

I think most of mine spoke English too except my grandmother’s mother. Not sure tho. I had to dig to find the naturalization records.

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Patricia Kayden  May 14, 2018 • 7:15:50am

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you, Mr. Lobster. So we’re back to defending Trump voters once again, I see.

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ipsos  May 14, 2018 • 7:16:03am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

All my grandparents were born in the US and spoke English (though my maternal grandmother was raised in a Yiddish-speaking home and still spoke it with her siblings when they didn’t want der kinder to know what they were saying.)

Four of eight great-grandparents were immigrants, and at least one never learned English and may not have ever been naturalized.

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Patricia Kayden  May 14, 2018 • 7:16:41am

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹

At any age??!!! Wow.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 7:21:10am

re: #181 ipsos

All my grandparents were born in the US and spoke English (though my maternal grandmother was raised in a Yiddish-speaking home and still spoke it with her siblings when they didn’t want der kinder to know what they were saying.)

Four of eight great-grandparents were immigrants, and at least one never learned English and may not have ever been naturalized.

My grandparents have all been English speakers as well but mom’s parents knew some of their parents native language. Grandpa always told my brothers and I that our mouth was bigger than our dupas when he felt we were over eating or eating too fast. 5/8 great grandparents. I think they all knew English since they arrived fairly young but I do have an obituary of one third great grandmother who only spoke Irish. And I’m convinced that her kids grew up speaking at least some Irish because her daughter, great grandmother’s aunt who later helped raise my Nana and her siblings when Great Nana died, Nana was convinced she came over from Ireland so she must have had some kind of accent. All mine were naturalized as far as I know though I’m not too sure about one of my third great grandmothers, she was a widowed and died only a few years after arriving from Scotland.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 14, 2018 • 7:22:00am

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

At any age??!!! Wow.

I remember looking at a chart of the age of consent in the various states back when it was relevant to me, so…1969, 1970? There were a few benighted backwaters like New York and California where it was 18, most civilized states it was 16, in most of the former C.S.A. it was 12, and in Delaware it was 7.

Now it seems to be 18 across the board. I don’t know when that happened.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 7:23:58am

I just wish more Americans mostly those of European descent would remember their families too were strangers in a new land and dealing with the process of assimiliation and yes John Kelly a lot of them were poor, illiterate, and “unskilled.”

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Shropshire Slasher  May 14, 2018 • 7:24:02am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 7:26:34am

re: #184 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I remember looking at a chart of the age of consent in the various states back when it was relevant to me, so…1969, 1970? There were a few benighted backwaters like New York and California where it was 18, most civilized states it was 16, in most of the former C.S.A. it was 12, and in Delaware it was 7.

Now it seems to be 18 across the board. I don’t know when that happened.

Age of consent in the USA varies by state, from 16 to 18.
en.wikipedia.org

Some criminal laws in states are in conflict with their own state’s consent laws, such as my own. It is illegal in Nebraska to “lewdly induce” someone under seventeen with “carnal knowledge” (regardless of the age of the inducer), but the age of consent is sixteen.

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Teukka  May 14, 2018 • 7:28:54am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2018 • 7:30:31am

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

Border update: To my surprise we did not get pulled into secondary. Not that we had anything to hide but you pull up to a pretty empty crossing this time of night and you never know.

So we are safely back in America.

Where did you cross? Niagara Falls, Windsor/Detroit, Sarnia/Port Huron, somewhere else?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 14, 2018 • 7:33:51am

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹

Age of consent in the USA varies by state, from 16 to 18.
en.wikipedia.org

Some criminal laws in states are in conflict with their own state’s consent laws, such as my own. It is illegal in Nebraska to “lewdly induce” someone under seventeen with “carnal knowledge” (regardless of the age of the inducer), but the age of consent is sixteen.

But I don’t know any other way to do it!

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2018 • 7:34:19am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I just wish more Americans mostly those of European descent would remember their families too were strangers in a new land and dealing with the process of assimiliation and yes John Kelly a lot of them were poor, illiterate, and “unskilled.”

You mean do as their Bible instructs them to do? Fat chance

(Edited for phone fat-finger spelling)

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Jay C  May 14, 2018 • 7:37:14am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I just wish more Americans mostly those of European descent would remember their families too were strangers in a new land and dealing with the process of assimiliation and yes John Kelly a lot of them were poor, illiterate, and “unskilled.”

Quite true, but “pulling up the ladder” is an American tradition of (only-slightly-less)as long standing as immigration itself. Reading a bit into the background of the first major attempt to restrict immigration into the US (1924): you see a lot of attitudes that the build-The-Wall Trumprrhoids echo to this day. “Native”* obsessions about cultural dilution were as active then as now - even if the influx of “poor, illiterate, unskilled” foreigners were indisputably “white” - by today’s standards: that so many contemporary incomers aren’t doesn’t make the attitudes any better.

*WASPs of course, not American Indians.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 7:40:35am

re: #192 Jay C

Quite true, but “pulling up the ladder” is an American tradition of (only-slightly-less)as long standing as immigration itself. Reading a bit into the background of the first major attempt to restrict immigration into the US (1924): you see a lot of attitudes that the build-The-Wall Trumprrhoids echo to this day. “Native”* obsessions about cultural dilution were as active then as now - even if the influx of “poor, illiterate, unskilled” foreigners were indisputably “white” - by today’s standards: that so many contemporary incomers aren’t doesn’t make the attitudes any better.

*WASPs of course, not American Indians.

Well 1924 was the first major done to Europeans. The Chinese Exclusionary Act happened in 1882 I believe. But yes. I definitely see the same parallels you’re seeing and it’s crazy to think if my great grandmother had been a few years younger, she likely would have been subject to the 1924 quota on immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe. My mom never knew her that well but we still eat a lot of variants of her old recipes.

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gwangung  May 14, 2018 • 7:41:31am

re: #192 Jay C

Quite true, but “pulling up the ladder” is an American tradition of (only-slightly-less)as long standing as immigration itself. Reading a bit into the background of the first major attempt to restrict immigration into the US (1924): you see a lot of attitudes that the build-The-Wall Trumprrhoids echo to this day. “Native”* obsessions about cultural dilution were as active then as now - even if the influx of “poor, illiterate, unskilled” foreigners were indisputably “white” - by today’s standards: that so many contemporary incomers aren’t doesn’t make the attitudes any better.

*WASPs of course, not American Indians.

The assholes have been using the same arguments since the 19th Century….and most of the time, they haven’t even CHANGED THE WORDING. They’ve just changed the targets from the Chinese and Japanese to other peoples…but they’ll get back to us…

Think of something new, assholes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 7:41:42am

” Voters in Mecklenburg County in North Carolina (basically Charlotte) — the state’s largest county — ousted their sheriff last week in a primary race that became a referendum of sorts on the Trump administration’s deportation policies. …”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 7:42:52am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 7:44:12am

re: #194 gwangung

The assholes have been using the same arguments since the 19th Century….and most of the time, they haven’t even CHANGED THE WORDING. They’ve just changed the targets from the Chinese and Japanese to other peoples…but they’ll get back to us…

Think of something new, assholes.

Yep same language, different targets.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 7:45:18am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 7:49:31am

This seems like a “no shit” decision
Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch dissented

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 7:54:05am

re: #199 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This seems like a “no shit” decision
Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch dissented

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That’s goddamn unreal and those three are terrible. Even Scalia sometimes acted like a decent judge on the rights of the accused.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:02:55am

re: #200 HappyWarrior

That’s goddamn unreal and those three are terrible. Even Scalia sometimes acted like a decent judge on the rights of the accused.

Conservatives have never forgiven liberals of the day that slavery then apartheid were banned.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 8:04:09am

WTF?
At a daycare. Makes you wonder about Arkansas’ accreditation criteria

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 8:06:15am
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Shropshire Slasher  May 14, 2018 • 8:07:34am

re: #199 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

From the dissent:

The Constitution gives us the authority to decide real
cases and controversies; we do not have the right to simplify
or otherwise change the facts of a case in order to
make our work easier or to achieve a desired result. But
that is exactly what the Court does in this case. The
Court overturns petitioner’s convictions for three counts of
first-degree murder by attributing to his trial attorney,
Larry English, something that English never did. The
Court holds that English violated petitioner’s constitutional
rights by “admit[ting] h[is] client’s guilt of a charged
crime over the client’s intransigent objection.” Ante, at
11.1 But English did not admit that petitioner was guilty
of first-degree murder. Instead, faced with overwhelming
evidence that petitioner shot and killed the three victims,
English admitted that petitioner committed one element of
that offense, i.e., that he killed the victims. But English
strenuously argued that petitioner was not guilty of firstdegree
murder because he lacked the intent (the mens rea)
required for the offense. App. 508-512. So the Court’s
newly discovered fundamental right simply does not apply
to the real facts of this case.
I

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Teukka  May 14, 2018 • 8:08:44am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Yep same language, different targets.

For centuries. And people don’t catch on because the targets change…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:12:07am

Because Arkansas is a bastion of liberalism:

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:12:12am

re: #205 Teukka

For centuries. And people don’t catch on because the targets change…

The former targets’ descendants often do the targeted themselves :(. As you know, I do genealogical research, I’ve met people including cousins who are quite insensitive to the plight of modern immigrants. My mom’s first cousin is a MAGA guy despite the fact that Trump’s pal Putin banned Americans from adopting from Russia where his adopted son and daughters are from.

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Sea Mexican!  May 14, 2018 • 8:12:56am

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WTF?
At a daycare. Makes you wonder about Arkansas’ accreditation criteria

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That’s a very important lesson. Old Testament style lesson.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:13:08am

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

Because Arkansas is a bastion of liberalism:

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How KKKristian of them…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:14:03am

re: #204 Shropshire Slasher

That is one huge paragraph of circular reasoning to justify ignoring the VI Amendment.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:14:17am

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

Because Arkansas is a bastion of liberalism:

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Wait, wait, I thought their argument has been that liberals have made kids wussies.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:15:29am

Four years old damn. I can’t imagine losing my temper and I have a bad one at my niece.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:15:46am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

The former targets’ descendants often do the targeted themselves :(. As you know, I do genealogical research, I’ve met people including cousins who are quite insensitive to the plight of modern immigrants. My mom’s first cousin is a MAGA guy despite the fact that Trump’s pal Putin banned Americans from adopting from Russia where his adopted son and daughters are from.

Your mother’s first cousin is a conservative; he is uninterested unless it affects him personally. His son and daughter are already here, therefore it doesn’t affect him personally.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 14, 2018 • 8:18:30am

re: #210 Anymouse 🌹

McCoy gets a new trial, maybe he can avoid the death penalty this time.
Later in the dissent:

What about conceding that a defendant is guilty, not of
the offense charged, but of a lesser included offense? That
is what English did in this case. He admitted that petitioner
was guilty of the noncapital offense of seconddegree
murder in an effort to prevent a death sentence.

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Teukka  May 14, 2018 • 8:19:33am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

The former targets’ descendants often do the targeted themselves :(. As you know, I do genealogical research, I’ve met people including cousins who are quite insensitive to the plight of modern immigrants. My mom’s first cousin is a MAGA guy despite the fact that Trump’s pal Putin banned Americans from adopting from Russia where his adopted son and daughters are from.

Another common theme in the rise of xenophobia according to repetitive patterns is that it just about always is perpetrated by The Powers That Be as a diversion from the truth or simply as a means to grab power.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:19:49am

re: #213 Anymouse 🌹

Your mother’s first cousin is a conservative; he is uninterested unless it affects him personally. His son and daughter are already here, therefore it doesn’t affect him personally.

It’s frustrating because I know he’s a good guy. He helps take care of my widowed great aunt. But you do underscore how conservatism works. My grandparents knew another older couple, husband loved complaining about the government but he was all for the benefits that helped their daughter. Nothing wrong with that. But to me, it’s kind of how Rob Portman only became pro SSM because of his son. Great, you love your son, you’re not a total Alan Keyes miserable bastard but where were you for other people’s sons and daughters that would have had their rights limited before you realized your son was like them.

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b.d.  May 14, 2018 • 8:20:28am

re: #202 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WTF?
At a daycare. Makes you wonder about Arkansas’ accreditation criteria

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Sharia Law in Arkansas…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2018 • 8:21:14am

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

Where did you cross? Niagara Falls, Windsor/Detroit, Sarnia/Port Huron, somewhere else?

Upstate NY. Hill Island Ontario / Interstate 81 (an hour or so North of Syracuse.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:21:16am

re: #215 Teukka

Another common theme in the rise of xenophobia according to repetitive patterns is that it just about always is perpetrated by The Powers That Be as a diversion from the truth or simply as a means to grab power.

Absolutely. The powers to be have always relied on outsiders as scapegoats to distract the everyman from the real problems. The meme of the guy in overralls and the banker type fits in well here.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2018 • 8:24:38am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:24:40am

Here’s something the MAGA guys in the Rust Belt and rural areas don’t want to admit but they have more in common with those “others” they hate than they do Trump. Sure they share a bigotry but other than that. And that’s why being a Trumpster is the real elitism. It’s thinking you’re better than someone simply because of your skin color or birth status. I ain’t better than people who have emigrated here.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:25:21am

Ah, the Washington Post now has the Gaza death count at 40 and climbing.

No doubt all those born again KKKristians are cheering like kids in the Howdy Doody Peanut Gallery, believing that Armageddon is at hand…

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:25:48am

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s frustrating VB because it was a blatantly political move by Trump who has no idea about Israel and the region as a whole but just wanted to score some cheap points with people who won’t be endangered by the move at all.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:26:41am

re: #222 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ah, the Washington Post now has the Gaza death count at 40 and climbing.

No doubt all those born again KKKristians are cheering like kids in the Howdy Doody Peanut Gallery, believing that Armageddon is at hand…

Those assholes don’t give a fuck about Jews, Muslims, or the Christians that live in the ME. They just care about their pathetic doomsday fantasies coming to fruition.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 8:27:29am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:28:34am

And now I see relatives cheering these deaths.

Have I told y’all how much I hate and despise what the Religious Right did to my family?

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:29:37am

re: #225 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Of course.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:29:56am

re: #226 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now I see relatives cheering these deaths.

Have I told y’all how much I hate and despise what the Religious Right did to my family?

I’m so sorry. I can’t imagine.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:30:33am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

It’s frustrating VB because it was a blatantly political move by Trump who has no idea about Israel and the region as a whole but just wanted to score some cheap points with people who won’t be endangered by the move at all.

Happy, he DOES have an idea and these are the assholes who gave him that idea!

Paula White, Kenneth Copeland and Others Lay Hands On, Pray for Donald Trump

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 8:30:33am

Is “wheeled” a gender?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2018 • 8:33:30am

I wonder how long until someone bombs the Embassy?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:33:45am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

It’s frustrating because I know he’s a good guy. He helps take care of my widowed great aunt. But you do underscore how conservatism works. My grandparents knew another older couple, husband loved complaining about the government but he was all for the benefits that helped their daughter. Nothing wrong with that. But to me, it’s kind of how Rob Portman only became pro SSM because of his son. Great, you love your son, you’re not a total Alan Keyes miserable bastard but where were you for other people’s sons and daughters that would have had their rights limited before you realized your son was like them.

Dick Cheney was the same with his daughter Mary. Liz Cheney on the other hand engaged in a Facebook battle with her sister.

My insurance company just called; they are going to set up a time for an adjuster to come out and look at the damage to our home from the recent tornado.

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2018 • 8:35:33am

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

Because Arkansas is a bastion of liberalism:

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Must have been a huge change since 2012:

Arkansas State House, party breakdown 2012
Affiliation Members
Republican 76
Democratic 24
Seat Vacant 0
Total 100
The Arkansas Senate

Arkansas State Senate, party breakdown 2012
Affiliation Members
Republicans 26
Democrats 9
Seat Vacant 0
Total 35

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:36:24am

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, he DOES have an idea and these are the assholes who gave him that idea!

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They don’t have any idea either about the region.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 8:36:29am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: At least 16 dead, hundreds injured as Palestinians protest U.S. moving its embassy to Jerusalem.

feature not bug: that is part of why they moved in the first place…

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:37:01am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹

Dick Cheney was the same with his daughter Mary. Liz Cheney on the other hand engaged in a Facebook battle with her sister.

My insurance company just called; they are going to set up a time for an adjuster to come out and look at the damage to our home from the recent tornado.

Yes he was.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:37:23am

And now the latest from Tom Tomorrow.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 8:38:01am

re: #222 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ah, the Washington Post now has the Gaza death count at 40 and climbing.

No doubt all those born again KKKristians are cheering like kids in the Howdy Doody Peanut Gallery, believing that Armageddon is at hand…

Part of me wants them to succeed… not because I’m on board with death and destruction, because I’m not. But on the one hand, if they’re right, they’ll all get raptured and the rest of us can get on with life (or even better: we get raptured and they’re stuck on earth to be tormented); on the other hand, if they’re wrong, maybe it’ll mean they’ll (or a significant number of them) stop believing in this stupid prophecy that isn’t actually a prophecy but marginally interesting fiction written to comment on the state of politics when it was written.

But then I remember the part about not being on board with death and destruction and I really want them to fail in the most spectacular way possible. Like 2003 Red Sox meet Sideshow Bob meet the Cleveland Browns meet Alan Keyes running for office.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:39:08am

re: #231 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how long until someone bombs the Embassy?

You already have Christian nuts saying they expect Soros to finance that.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 8:40:41am

re: #230 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Is “wheeled” a gender?

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No, but under the ADA all restrooms have to be handicap accessible and requires signage like that, so it’s easier to put everything on one sign.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:41:06am

Slumlord Millionaire Sean Hannity Evicts Poor People Like a Common Kushner (Wonkette, more at the link):

Sean Hannity is a goddamn humanitarian for investing some of his Fox News millions in low-income housing (purchased with loans supported by Uncle Sam). After his real estate holdings became known, Hannity described his purchase of rental properties foreclosed on during the financial crisis as an act that just might earn him sainthood:

It is ironic that I am being attacked for investing my personal money in communities that badly need such investment and in which, I am sure, those attacking me have not invested their money. The fact is, these are investments that I do not individually select, control, or know the details about; except that obviously I believe in putting my money to work in communities that otherwise struggle to receive such support.

Well wouldn’t you know it, Hannity turns out to be a real bastard of an absentee landlord, according to an investigative report by the Washington Post. Or at least the management company that handles the day-to-day operations of Hannity’s Georgia apartment complexes is a right bastard of a corporate person: The managers of the four largest of Hannity’s apartment complexes file eviction notices against residents at double the average rate for Georgia rental properties, and they appear to use the frequent eviction notices as a tactic to make sure they collect every last late fee and cleaning charge possible. All of which is of course perfectly legal, since Georgia’s laws are heavily tilted in favor of landlords and against tenants, who really should be ashamed of not owning their homes anyway.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:42:56am

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

Slumlord Millionaire Sean Hannity Evicts Poor People Like a Common Kushner (Wonkette, more at the link):

And don’t forget the bedbugs. Lots of bedbugs in Slumlord Sean’s domain!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 8:44:57am

re: #240 KGxvi

No, but under the ADA all restrooms have to be handicap accessible and requires signage like that, so it’s easier to put everything on one sign.

The next, apparently “single gendered”, restroom sign down doesn’t have a “handicap accessible” graphic

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:45:01am

Death toll now climbs to 41…

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:46:34am

re: #244 Joe Bacon 🌹

Death toll now climbs to 41…

Damn.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 8:47:32am

re: #242 Joe Bacon 🌹

And don’t forget the bedbugs. Lots of bedbugs in Slumlord Sean’s domain!

Ironically, if a leased property is infested with bedbugs, that is probably a breach of the warranty of habitability, a breach which would allow a tenant (normally), to withhold rent until it is cured (or to pay for remediation themselves). I don’t know enough about the jurisdictional rules wherever he has these properties, but usually breach of the warranty of habitability is a valid defense in unlawful detainer (eviction) proceedings. If the tenant/defendants failed to raise bedbugs as an issue, they may (unfortunately) be barred from pursuing a later claim.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:48:49am

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

Slumlord Millionaire Sean Hannity Evicts Poor People Like a Common Kushner (Wonkette, more at the link):

Just a regular old guy.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 8:49:51am

re: #243 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The next, apparently “single gendered”, restroom sign down doesn’t have a “handicap accessible” graphic

Fair point. Depending on how the restrooms are constructed, each of those doors may actually be considered a stall (you might see something like that at parks/beaches and occasionally on some commercial build outs). If that’s the case, then they just need one or two stalls to be handicap accessible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 8:52:15am

re: #209 Joe Bacon 🌹

How KKKristian of them…

Old Time Religion…but I am offended that they let females take part in it…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 8:52:23am

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 8:53:21am
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gocart mozart  May 14, 2018 • 8:53:52am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2018 • 8:54:07am

re: #244 Joe Bacon 🌹

Death toll now climbs to 41…

I fucking hate Donald Trump.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 8:54:33am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boy Who Cried Wolf Claims Wolf Is Here; World Goes On As Wolf East Boy

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plansbandc  May 14, 2018 • 8:54:52am

re: #226 Joe Bacon 🌹

Cheering for the deaths of others was not a Christian value taught to me. Apparently it’s totally what being a Christian on the right is all about these days. It’s sickening.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:55:42am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kayfabe.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:58:37am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ll believe it when I see it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 8:58:39am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 8:59:20am

re: #253 Eclectic Cyborg

I fucking hate Donald Trump.

He is the most empty of empty suits that tens of millions of conservatives poured their hopes into.

Aside from those who didn’t know about Donald Trump other than he had an (R) by his name (I didn’t know much about Donald Trump either), they all voted for him because they wanted this.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 8:59:38am

re: #255 plansbandc

Cheering for the deaths of others was not a Christian value taught to me. Apparently it’s totally what being a Christian on the right is all about these days. It’s sickening.

Being a selfish prick is too. I know AM hates the No True Christian stuff but yeah this wasn’t how my parents and grandparents were raised.

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Citizen K  May 14, 2018 • 8:59:41am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

SIgh…

We’ve pretty much given Israel the sense of carte blanche for massacre, haven’t we?

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 8:59:42am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I’ll believe it when I see it.

It most likely means they have a couple of Democratic votes to get her to 50 even without Paul and McCain.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2018 • 8:59:49am

re: #255 plansbandc

Cheering for the deaths of others was not a Christian value taught to me. Apparently it’s totally what being a Christian on the right is all about these days. It’s sickening.

At the moment, the “Christian Right” is getting a two-fer - killing Muslims and violently repressing those who aren’t killed, AND setting the table for the End Times, where the Jews become kindling for the fires of the Apocalypse.

I used to think Israel would be leery of help/support from people who see them as worthy of damnation, and the first into the fire during the End Times, but then I realized that since Netanyahu et al. don’t believe in the end times, they’re cynically happy for the support.

Each group is using the other. Symbiosis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 8:59:54am

And MORE Arkansas!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:00:24am

re: #261 Citizen K

SIgh…

We’ve pretty much given Israel the sense of carte blanche for massacre, haven’t we?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 9:00:31am

re: #255 plansbandc

Cheering for the deaths of others was not a Christian value taught to me. Apparently it’s totally what being a Christian on the right is all about these days. It’s sickening.

81% of Evangelicals who voted for Trump and still worship the ground he walks on believe it is a core value to hate those who are not of the body of Landrew Trump!

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:00:51am

re: #262 KGxvi

It most likely means they have a couple of Democratic votes to get her to 50 even without Paul and McCain.

Manchin was the only known Dem yes I saw but I suspect you’re right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2018 • 9:01:29am

re: #261 Citizen K

SIgh…

We’ve pretty much given Israel the sense of carte blanche for massacre, haven’t we?

Yes. And to complete the establishment of an apartheid state. Because, after all, the oppressed are Muslims. It’s not like they’re actual people or anything.
//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:01:46am

re: #262 KGxvi

It most likely means they have a couple of Democratic votes to get her to 50 even without Paul and McCain.

They already have two: Manchin and Joe Donnelly (IN)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 9:02:16am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Manchin was the only known Dem yes I saw but I suspect you’re right.

Donnelly has signalled that he will also vote Yes on that domanatrix.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:02:16am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Manchin was the only known Dem yes I saw but I suspect you’re right.

Well, the GOP has 51 votes, right? So no McCain and no Paul puts them at 49, add in Manchin and they’re back at 50, and get her through 50-49

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:02:34am

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

At the moment, the “Christian Right” is getting a two-fer - killing Muslims and violently repressing those who aren’t killed, AND setting the table for the End Times, where the Jews become kindling for the fires of the Apocalypse.

I used to think Israel would be leery of help/support from people who see them as worthy of damnation, and the first into the fire during the End Times, but then I realized that since Netanyahu et al. don’t believe in the end times, they’re cynically happy for the support.

Each group is using the other. Symbiosis.

Bibi has allied himself with fascists. I can’t wait for him to leave office. It will be a good day for everyone. Bibi isn’t stupid or lacking intelligence but he is lacking decency.

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ObserverArt  May 14, 2018 • 9:02:53am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ahhh..back on the Rand Paul Watch.

Just like the little attention seeking prick likes it.

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Jay C  May 14, 2018 • 9:03:33am

re: #246 KGxvi

Ironically, if a leased property is infested with bedbugs, that is probably a breach of the warranty of habitability, a breach which would allow a tenant (normally), to withhold rent until it is cured (or to pay for remediation themselves). I don’t know enough about the jurisdictional rules wherever he has these properties, but usually breach of the warranty of habitability is a valid defense in unlawful detainer (eviction) proceedings. If the tenant/defendants failed to raise bedbugs as an issue, they may (unfortunately) be barred from pursuing a later claim.

“Jurisdictional rules”? I know that in New York (NYC especially), a landlord who rents a tenant a bedbug-infested unit (like most other “habitability” issues) is, under the law, either 1) required to remedy the issue at their expense, or 2) credit the tenant for fixing the problem themselves. Of course, in reality, neither solution is applied with any equitability - it usually involves lengthy procedure in Housing Court. At least here in NY, we have such procedures, in Georgia, who knows???

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 9:05:21am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Being a selfish prick is too. I know AM hates the No True Christian stuff but yeah this wasn’t how my parents and grandparents were raised.

Maybe not yours, but millions of others were. Every Confederate State cited the Bible in its documents supporting their “peculiar institution.”

Jesus Saves
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danarchy  May 14, 2018 • 9:06:45am

re: #262 KGxvi

It most likely means they have a couple of Democratic votes to get her to 50 even without Paul and McCain.

I think Manchin and Donnelly have already said they were going to support the nomination.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 9:07:14am

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

At the moment, the “Christian Right” is getting a two-fer - killing Muslims and violently repressing those who aren’t killed, AND setting the table for the End Times, where the Jews become kindling for the fires of the Apocalypse.

I used to think Israel would be leery of help/support from people who see them as worthy of damnation, and the first into the fire during the End Times, but then I realized that since Netanyahu et al. don’t believe in the end times, they’re cynically happy for the support.

Each group is using the other. Symbiosis.

Netanyahu is a conservative. Conservatism’s only goal is gaining and maintaining power. If he can use US Evangelicals, he’ll do it. He would rather burn Israel to the ground than give up an inch of power.

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Citizen K  May 14, 2018 • 9:07:47am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Being a selfish prick is too. I know AM hates the No True Christian stuff but yeah this wasn’t how my parents and grandparents were raised.

Prosperity Gospel and Calvinism have turned Christianity in America into the ultimate sports team, where the only purpose is to win, and always at the expense of the other ‘teams’.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:08:21am

re: #274 Jay C

“Jurisdictional rules”? I know that in New York (NYC especially), a landlord who rents a tenant a bedbug-infested unit (like most other “habitability” issues) is, under the law, either 1) required to remedy the issue at their expense, or 2) credit the tenant for fixing the problem themselves. Of course, in reality, neither solution is applied with any equitability - it usually involves lengthy procedure in Housing Court. At least here in NY, we have such procedures, in Georgia, who knows???

What I mean by jurisdictional rules is that unlawful detainer actions can be very limited. They are in California and only a certain number of defenses are available. The warranty of habitability is one of the defenses. I suspect it is in most states, but it’s possible that the defendant has to bring a cross-complaint that increases costs and time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2018 • 9:08:27am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Bibi has allied himself with fascists. I can’t wait for him to leave office. It will be a good day for everyone. Bibi isn’t stupid or lacking intelligence but he is lacking decency.

I realized that one reason why Trump gets along so well with dictators is that they look at him and see someone easily manipulated. Look how well KJU’s doing - he finished up his nuclear and missile development programs successfully, and then offers Trump things he was going to give up anyway, and gives Trump a chance to look like he did something useful.

Our allies don’t want Trump because he’s stupid and unreliable as an ally. But our enemies love him because he’s so easy to play. This is the danger - those enemies can give Trump flashy but ultimately meaningless victories and make him look successful, to keep him around for further manipulation.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:09:22am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

Maybe not yours, but millions of others were. Every Confederate State cited the Bible in its documents supporting their “peculiar institution.”

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Well yeah considering my grand uncle was a RCC priest in an African American parish in Louisiana :). I’m just saying that this wasn’t what influenced me. I’m agnostic but parts of Christian teachings do influence my philosophy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:09:28am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 9:09:46am

re: #278 Citizen K

Prosperity Gospel and Calvinism have turned Christianity in America into the ultimate sports team, where the only purpose is to win, and always at the expense of the other ‘teams’.

The other “teams” are no different: Catholics leading the Crusades in the past and opposing family planning today, Protestants suppressing Catholics in this nation in the XX Century, Buddhists attacking Muslims in Burma, Muslims attacking each other, &c.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:10:05am

re: #278 Citizen K

Prosperity Gospel and Calvinism have turned Christianity in America into the ultimate sports team, where the only purpose is to win, and always at the expense of the other ‘teams’.

Yep!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 9:12:30am

I’m going to log out. It’s been fun. Try to keep the Republic from falling apart while I’m asleep, eh?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:12:44am

JFC, Ann…STFU

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 9:13:00am

re: #278 Citizen K

Prosperity Gospel and Calvinism have turned Christianity in America into the ultimate sports team, where the only purpose is to win, and always at the expense of the other ‘teams’.

and where Donald Trump can be forgiven because he is financially prosperous

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 9:13:12am

A double amputee (from having already been shot according to reports) is in a wheelchair with an early bronze age ranged weapon made famous in a classic Bible story involving a youth against a giant warrior. He was shot dead today by a 21st century military power supplied with the most advanced weapons on earth by US tax payers.

This is both horrifying and insane. Every single newspaper in the Arab world will have this picture and this story….and Israel did it to herself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:15:24am
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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:15:40am

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

The other “teams” are no different: Catholics leading the Crusades in the past and opposing family planning today, Protestants suppressing Catholics in this nation in the XX Century, Buddhists attacking Muslims in Burma, Muslims attacking each other, &c.

In fairness, while the official church teaching is “natural family planning”, most actual Catholics in the US rely on actual birth control devices/medication. This poll from 2016 found that only 8% of American Catholics see using contraception as morally wrong. Also, interestingly, only 51% of American Catholics saw having an abortion as morally wrong (the other 49% split between “morally acceptable” and “not a moral issue”).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:16:53am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:17:54am

re: #270 Joe Bacon 🌹

Donnelly has signalled that he will also vote Yes on that domanatrix.

Damn it Donnelly.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:18:34am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, Ann…STFU

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I think Ann was a SS officer in a past life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:19:05am

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

And MORE Arkansas!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2018 • 9:19:25am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:19:38am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No, Jared, you’re part of the problem. You, your scumbag wife and father in law.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:20:18am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

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Why is Mnuchin there? He’s the Treasury Secretary.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:21:13am

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lady if you were stupid enough to believe that Obama was with ISIS, I don’t know what to tell you.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 9:21:32am

As I sit here binging some Doctor Who, I feel the need to remind everyone:

Rory Williams is the greatest hero of the DW universe.
FACT

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2018 • 9:21:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:22:01am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Why is Mnuchin there? He’s the Treasury Secretary.

the yam sent all of his best juice for the festivities.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2018 • 9:22:15am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:22:46am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

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Huckabee just wants to see dead Jews, Muslims, and Eastern Christians so his pathetic fantasy can come true. It’d be nice if Mike just had a normal fantasy like dressing up like a schoolgirl while his wife told him that he was a bad girl.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:23:05am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

the yam sent all of his best juice for the festivities.

Ah. I think he, Jared, and Ivanka are the only ones. Maybe Miller too.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:23:29am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

As I sit here binging some Doctor Who, I feel the need to remind everyone:

Rory Williams is the greatest hero of the DW universe.
FACT

I see your Rory Williams, and raise you a Rose Tyler.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:23:40am

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

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Correct and I wish more Israelis saw this. Certainly some do but I wish more did.

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Citizen K  May 14, 2018 • 9:24:24am

Christ. Even granted that the attitudes and atmosphere that helped create this monster have existed and persisted for ages here…it’s still depressing how swift the backslide of the US as a gov’t has been. We’re never coming back from this, are we?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 9:24:56am
Breaking News: Israel responded with rifle fire to a mass attempt by Palestinians to cross a border fence, killing at least 28, Palestinian officials said
Ann Coulter

@AnnCoulter
Can we do that?

“can” in the sense of “are we physically able”?

Yes

“can” in the sense of “are we allowed by international law or common human decency”?

NO FUCKING WAY

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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 9:25:06am

re: #309 Citizen K

One cannot unscramble an egg.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:25:10am

re: #309 Citizen K

Christ. Even granted that the attitudes and atmosphere that helped create this monster have existed and persisted for ages here…it’s still depressing how swift the backslide of the US as a gov’t has been. We’re never coming back from this, are we?

We’ve survived worse but recovery’s not going to be easy or overnight.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:25:41am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2018 • 9:25:43am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 9:26:36am

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

And MORE Arkansas!

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re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Citizen K  May 14, 2018 • 9:26:42am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

We’ve survived worse but recovery’s not going to be easy or overnight.

The problem isn’t just the extent of the damage, but the will to actually fix it. And we’ve seen how far of a leash the electorate has given anyone left of Limbaugh to actually fix things before they decide ‘FUCK THE STATUS QUO, GIVE US DADDY GOP BACK!!!”

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:27:11am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Glenn shut the fuck up seriously. And yeah Schumer did and guess what, he’s wrong. And you’re totally ignoring how Bibi fucked Obama every chance he got due to Bibi being a racist asshole.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:27:59am

re: #316 Citizen K

The problem isn’t just the extent of the damage, but the will to actually fix it. And we’ve seen how far of a leash the electorate has given anyone left of Limbaugh to actually fix things before they decide ‘FUCK THE STATUS QUO, GIVE US DADDY GOP BACK!!!”

True. That is something I worry about happening as well. It’s why I hope the changing demographics force the right into a bind but I also fear it’s only going to make them more and more fascist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:28:31am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:28:45am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

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That’s why he did it.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:31:16am

re: #317 HappyWarrior

Glenn shut the fuck up seriously. And yeah Schumer did and guess what, he’s wrong. And you’re totally ignoring how Bibi fucked Obama every chance he got due to Bibi being a racist asshole.

Obama at least leaned on the Israelis and when necessary, ignored them (the JCPA for example). But this idiot in charge now has given them free reign, so it ultimately didn’t matter what Obama did or didn’t do because there has been zero continuity in policy for the first time in… I don’t even know how long.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:32:02am
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ObserverArt  May 14, 2018 • 9:33:00am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Damn it Donnelly.

I’m thinking they are justifying this by her words that she will not use advanced interrogation methods because it is current policy not to. And that the only reason she did in the past was because it was allowed under the Cheney Administration.

Plus, I’m betting there are a lot of people in Indiana and West Virginia that want to see people interrogated by torture because they just do not care as long as they see it as making them safer from bad guys in the Middle East.

Our politicians no longer can be looked upon as setting examples and teaching lessons.

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 9:34:02am

re: #309 Citizen K

Christ. Even granted that the attitudes and atmosphere that helped create this monster have existed and persisted for ages here…it’s still depressing how swift the backslide of the US as a gov’t has been. We’re never coming back from this, are we?

I don’t think so, at least not in our current state of being. This is terminal imperial collapse.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:34:44am

re: #323 ObserverArt

I’m thinking they are justifying this by her words that she will not use advanced interrogation methods because it is current policy not to. And that the only reason she did in the past was because it was allowed under the Cheney Administration.

Plus, I’m betting there are a lot of people in Indiana and West Virginia that want to see people interrogated by torture because they just do not care as long as they see it as making them safer from bad guys in the Middle East.

Our politicians no longer can be looked upon as setting examples and teaching lessons.

Oh I know they’re under constituent stress. Just disappointed that we don’t have the united front we did against DeVos on this.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:35:56am

re: #321 KGxvi

Obama at least leaned on the Israelis and when necessary, ignored them (the JCPA for example). But this idiot in charge now has given them free reign, so it ultimately didn’t matter what Obama did or didn’t do because there has been zero continuity in policy for the first time in… I don’t even know how long.

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:36:52am
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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:37:01am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

We’ve survived worse but recovery’s not going to be easy or overnight.

It’s very rare that a nation cedes a place of global leadership and then easily gets it back. When the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia lost all it’s clout as the de facto leader of the Second World Nations. The fall of the French, Spanish, and British Empires hurt those three nations’ standing in the world for quite a while (arguably the British have recovered the most, but they are nowhere near the global power they used to be).

Perhaps we are unique, or at least uniquely positioned, to recovery the way other world leaders have not. But if the Trump misAdministration lasts for a full 8 years, I suspect a lot of changes will happen to the global order between now and 2024.

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ObserverArt  May 14, 2018 • 9:37:36am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Why is Mnuchin there? He’s the Treasury Secretary.

Who is better for Trump to send to Israel as a U.S. representative than a Jewish Banker that is currently Treasury Secretary?

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rhuarc  May 14, 2018 • 9:37:46am

re: #309 Citizen K

Christ. Even granted that the attitudes and atmosphere that helped create this monster have existed and persisted for ages here…it’s still depressing how swift the backslide of the US as a gov’t has been. We’re never coming back from this, are we?

IMO we are not coming back from this. This country is done for. What is needed to right the ship will be too drastic to ever be supported by a majority of the population so we’ll just continue riding the downside of the wave until it crashes. Hopefully I’ll be old enough that I won’t personally care when that wave crashes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:38:11am
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BeachDem  May 14, 2018 • 9:39:00am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

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Ivanka looks like a spokesmodel unveiling a showcase on “Let’s Make a Deal.” Oh wait, that’s exactly what she is.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:39:10am

re: #323 ObserverArt

I’m thinking they are justifying this by her words that she will not use advanced interrogation methods because it is current policy not to. And that the only reason she did in the past was because it was allowed under the Cheney Administration.

Plus, I’m betting there are a lot of people in Indiana and West Virginia that want to see people interrogated by torture because they just do not care as long as they see it as making them safer from bad guys in the Middle East.

Our politicians no longer can be looked upon as setting examples and teaching lessons.

Seventy years from prosecuting war criminals who were “just following orders” to confirming cabinet level officials who used the same argument.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:40:43am
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sizzzzlerz  May 14, 2018 • 9:41:42am

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Woman who killed husband may have served lover’s remains at BBQ

South Carolina or St. Louis style?

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 9:42:54am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah, we were taught all that stuff in my church when I was a teen…the Rapture would take all the faithful and the Jewish people would be left to the Great Tribulation and would then be evangelized by Elijah (because he never died…he was taken into heaven while still alive) and all the Jewish people who survived the tribulation insanity would become good right wing republican Christians.

This was stuff we had in books, comic books, Bible study etc etc etc. Jews were relegated to being props for our worldwide apocalyptic snuff flick.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:43:23am

re: #334 Backwoods_Sleuth

Was there a middle man in the Teapot Dome scandal?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:45:08am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 9:45:22am

re: #307 KGxvi

I see your Rory Williams, and raise you a Rose Tyler.

Rose Tyler was a serious hero, but, Rory was killed saving the Doctor, then stood guard over Amy and the Pandorica for 2000 years, and later continued to protect Amy (who forgot him again) despite tortuous pain from the Eye Drive

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wrenchwench  May 14, 2018 • 9:45:24am

re: #327 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is Sadie. She consumes ice cream so aggressively she has to get hosed off afterwards]

# Me Too

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:48:09am

re: #337 KGxvi

Was there a middle man in the Teapot Dome scandal?

Albert B. Fall, maybe.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 9:50:18am

re: #339 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Rose Tyler was a serious hero, but, Rory was killed saving the Doctor, then stood guard over Amy and the Pandorica for 2000 years, and later continued to protect Amy (who forgot him again) despite tortuous pain from the Eye Drive

Rose Tyler/Bad Wolf was pretty damn important too. And I tend to take the position that she wasn’t the Moment in Day of the Doctor but was actually Rose Tyler/Bad Wolf. But I think we’re splitting hairs.

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Sir John Barron  May 14, 2018 • 9:50:48am

re: #296 The Vicious Babushka

Is that wacko pastor “Dr” Robert Jeffries there, too? smh

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2018 • 9:51:23am

re: #332 BeachDem

Ivanka looks like a spokesmodel unveiling a showcase on “Let’s Make a Deal.” Oh wait, that’s exactly what she is.

Why is The Princess Royal wearing a chiffon skirt more suited to a garden party than a diplomatic event?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:52:44am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 9:52:46am

re: #343 Sir John Barron

Is that wacko pastor “Dr” Robert Jeffries there, too? smh

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 9:53:49am
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BeachDem  May 14, 2018 • 9:55:56am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And Maggie has the vapors.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 9:56:41am
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ObserverArt  May 14, 2018 • 10:01:01am

It’s getting close to nighttime now…darkness is upon us.

Oh, wait, it is another line of storms heading my way again.

Looks like we have a whole week of this type of weather to look forward to dealing with. It’s damn hard to plan things outdoors.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 10:01:09am

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They just don’t give a fuck.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2018 • 10:07:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:08:22am
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Citizen K  May 14, 2018 • 10:09:08am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Being for ‘human rights’ is easy when your definition of ‘human’ is prohibitively narrow.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 10:11:07am

re: #356 Citizen K

Being for ‘human rights’ is easy when your definition of ‘human’ is prohibitively narrow.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

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makeitstop  May 14, 2018 • 10:12:15am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Daily Caller really wants to poke that bear, eh?

Please proceed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2018 • 10:13:23am

re: #356 Citizen K

Being for ‘human rights’ is easy when your definition of ‘human’ is prohibitively narrow.

White Human Rights.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 10:14:27am

re: #359 Eclectic Cyborg

White Human Rights.

That’s definitely true in Bibi’s case as well given how he views and treats Ethiopian Israelis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:14:29am
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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 10:17:44am

re: #358 makeitstop

Daily Caller really wants to poke that bear, eh?

Please proceed.

Avenatti made himself a public person, so his defamation case would have a higher standard of actual malice. Reading that piece, I’m not sure there’s anything that comes close to actual malice. They quote Avenatti and provide links to sources to back up parts of the story.

This is one of the reasons that attorneys shouldn’t litigate cases on TV like he has been doing. A lot of attorneys end up in disputes with business or law firm partners that can be easily dug up (not to mention claims brought by former clients).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:18:15am
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ObserverArt  May 14, 2018 • 10:21:49am

re: #358 makeitstop

Daily Caller really wants to poke that bear, eh?

Please proceed.

I think this just opened up the War on Avenatti.

People have been looking for a way to attack him and so all guns will be fired now to protect Trump.

It’s going to get ugly.

The other day a few of us discussed Donny Deutsch on Nicole Wallace’s MSBNC show and being a bit protective of Michael Cohen saying his only issues is he is so willing to do anything for His Don. He is friends with Cohen.

I came across this yesterday. Deutsch has real issues with Avenatti and said so on Morning Joke Friday morning.

NEWSWEEK - JOE SCARBOROUGH DEFENDS STORMY DANIELS ATTORNEY MICHAEL AVENATTI: ‘HE’S DOING WHAT TRUMP ALWAYS DOES’

The exchange came as TV personality and guest Donny Deutsch said he believed Avenatti’s status as a fixture on cable news was tantamount to “jumping the shark.”

“You’re starting to feel, as somebody who is in the media and watching the media, a guy who is a losing a little sight of where he is, of the position he’s in, and you almost get the feeling he’s already auditioning for…his next TV spot,” Deutsch said.

Scarborough then noted that Avenatti has been largely successful, reasoning that his appearances are likely part of a larger strategy.

“He’s doing what Trump always does, which is be everywhere, all the time,” Scarborough said. “Be Constantly in peoples faces, and he has actually gotten in Trump’s face.”

Rumors that Avenatti has been angling for his own show have swirled since the charismatic lawyer started stomping the talk show circuit. Critics have accused Avenatti of attempting to try both Trump and embattled attorney Michael Cohen in the press instead of a court of law, an accusation Avenatti has responded to fiercely on Twitter.

Fox News host Sean Hannity, who was revealed to be a client of Cohen, is among Avenatti’s most prominent critics. The attorney has asked to go on Hannity’s show multiple times, apparently to no avail.

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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 10:22:04am
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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 10:26:07am
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Sir John Barron  May 14, 2018 • 10:31:37am

re: #366 jaunte

I will be on with @HARRISFAULKNER on @OutnumberedOT from Jerusalem @FoxNews at 1pm et/12ct and I will begin show by blowing a Shofar and speaking Hebrew.

— Gov. Mike Huckabee

I’ll remember not to watch.

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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 10:33:11am

End-times Fundies are disgusting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2018 • 10:38:08am

I’m not liking our new reality where nothing matters. Obama, with pressure from sanctions, and with the cooperation of other powers, got Iran to give up its nuclear program and submit to a strong inspections regime.

Trump declares it a ‘bad deal’ and the GOP falls in line.

North Korea COMPLETES their nuclear development program, and based on Pompeo’s tweets won’t give up their nukes, but may offer vague happy-sounding promises, and will probably get their sanctions reduced, plus they get to appear in a position of equality with the US - something they’ve sought for decades.

Trump will declare it a ‘great deal, the like of which the world has never seen’, and the GOP will fall in line. They’ll say it’s because he was tough that NK folded, but I don’t think keeping their nukes, keeping their regime, getting sanctions lifted, and joining the rest of the nuclear nations is really what we’d have called ‘folding’.

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 10:38:34am
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Targetpractice  May 14, 2018 • 10:38:55am

re: #364 ObserverArt

I think this just opened up the War on Avenatti.

People have been looking for a way to attack him and so all guns will be fired now to protect Trump.

It’s going to get ugly.

The other day a few of us discussed Donny Deutsch on Nicole Wallace’s MSBNC show and being a bit protective of Michael Cohen saying his only issues is he is so willing to do anything for His Don. He is friends with Cohen.

I came across this yesterday. Deutsch has real issues with Avenatti and said so on Morning Joke Friday morning.

NEWSWEEK - JOE SCARBOROUGH DEFENDS STORMY DANIELS ATTORNEY MICHAEL AVENATTI: ‘HE’S DOING WHAT TRUMP ALWAYS DOES’

That was my thought as well, the press have gotten over their momentary flirtation with the Stormy Daniels story and are now beginning to get uncomfortable about how the elements of it are threatening Donny’s presidency. So Tucker Carlson’s digital fish wrap has given them the opportunity to do what they’ve been hinting at for some time: Present Avenatti as a “dirty” lawyer who is exploiting this story to make a lot of money. They’re not going to actually dig into the allegations he’s making because they don’t want to know where they go, so instead they’re going to attack him personally as a way of making the story all about him and drown out the allegations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:39:05am
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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 10:43:01am

re: #370 Scottish Dragon

Also from that poll:

Setting aside your personal feelings about him,
do you think Donald Trump is mentally stable
or mentally unbalanced?
Think he is mentally stable 46%
Think he is mentally unbalanced 45%
Not sure 10%

Let’s just take a moment to consider how fucked up that (A) such a question needs to be asked; and (B) that the number is so close; and (C) that more than half the country doesn’t think the president of the United States is mentally stable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2018 • 10:44:28am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here is Trump mega-donor Sheldon Adelson applauding after Jared Kushner said that Israel and the US share a belief in human rights.

Just hours earlier, over 40 Palestinian protestors were killed.

The current government of the US and the current government of Israel do indeed share a belief in human rights - that they’re not for Muslims.

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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 10:45:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:46:20am

oh…

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 10:47:20am

re: #370 Scottish Dragon

Even more fun from the poll:

Who would you rather was President: Barack
Obama or Donald Trump?
Barack Obama 54%
Donald Trump 40%
Not sure 6%

Someone let Donny know about his fantastic poll numbers!

And just in case you’re worried that public support will be with Trump on the Russia investigation:

Q13 Do you think that members of Donald Trump’s
campaign team worked in association with
Russia to help Trump win the election for
President, or not?
46% Think that members of Donald Trump’s
campaign team worked in association with
Russia to help Trump win the election for
President

41% Do not think that members of Donald Trump’s
campaign team worked in association with
Russia to help Trump win the election for
President

Not sure 13%

Q14 If evidence comes out that proves conclusively
that members of Donald Trump’s campaign
team worked in association with Russia to help
Trump win the election for President, do you
think Trump should continue to serve as
President, or do you think he should resign?

Trump should continue to serve as President 39% .

Trump should resign 54%

Not sure 8%

Q15 Would you support or oppose Robert Mueller
being fired to end his investigation into
connections between Donald Trump’s
campaign team and Russia in the 2016
election?

Support 26%

Oppose 57%

Not sure 17%

Support for firing Mueller is under the crazification factor!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:48:00am
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Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2018 • 10:49:20am

re: #375 jaunte

Trump and the US threw gasoline on this fire as a favor to evangelicals, who believe the embassy needs to be in Jerusalem in order for them to be raptured. Demented and horrific; if there’s a heaven, none of the people who enabled this are headed there

And what’s the reaction gonna be if the next POTUS moves the US Embassy back to Tel Aviv?

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I cannot.  May 14, 2018 • 10:49:43am

re: #339 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I know I’m going to piss a LOT of people off with this…but #TeamClara

She saved the Doctor everywhere and everywhen in The Name of the Doctor. That, as far as I know…is an entirely different scale. And in doing so also saved everyone that the Doctor had ever saved, or ever would save.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:49:57am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:50:27am

more mob behavior:

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Citizen K  May 14, 2018 • 10:50:30am

re: #375 jaunte

Between this and Iran, Trump and friends seem intent on setting the entire Middle East on fire just so they can get their war on.

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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 10:50:47am

re: #379 Dr Lizardo

Radical Christian terrorists, most likely.

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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 10:51:40am

Wars create a lot of black market opportunities for the powerful.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 10:51:51am

re: #380 I cannot.

I know I’m going to piss a LOT of people off with this…but #TeamClara

She saved the Doctor everywhere and everywhen in The Name of the Doctor. That, as far as I know…is an entirely different scale. And, on doing so also saved everyone that the Doctor had ever saved, or ever would save.

I actually liked Clara. I’ve actually liked most all of the companions in the revived series. Martha was probably my favorite of the bunch.

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Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2018 • 10:51:59am

re: #384 jaunte

Radical Christian terrorists, most likely.

I wonder what the Israeli reaction would be.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2018 • 10:52:26am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

Charlie Kirk

@charliekirk11
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The generation that defeated Nazis now has to watch their grandkids turn into them


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The generation that defeated communism is now supporting the Russian tyranny that we supposedly defeated.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2018 • 10:52:30am

re: #369 Blind Frog Belly White

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I’m not liking our new reality where nothing matters. Obama, with pressure from sanctions, and with the cooperation of other powers, got Iran to give up its nuclear program and submit to a strong inspections regime.

Trump declares it a ‘bad deal’ and the GOP falls in line.

North Korea COMPLETES their nuclear development program, and based on Pompeo’s tweets won’t give up their nukes, but may offer vague happy-sounding promises, and will probably get their sanctions reduced, plus they get to appear in a position of equality with the US - something they’ve sought for decades.

Trump will declare it a ‘great deal, the like of which the world has never seen’, and the GOP will fall in line. They’ll say it’s because he was tough that NK folded, but I don’t think keeping their nukes, keeping their regime, getting sanctions lifted, and joining the rest of the nuclear nations is really what we’d have called ‘folding’.

What we’re basically being told is that “peace” is a nuclear NK capable of continuing to threaten its neighbors in the region, who will provide little more than a pinky-promise to dismantle its ICBM program and scale back its nuclear one, in exchange for sanctions relief and a seat at the Big Boy table in future talks.

So the message again sent is “Get nukes.” Because once you have them, you’re part of the Nuclear Club and thus you’re cool with us…so long as you don’t directly threaten us. Or you do, but your boss has ours by the scrotum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:52:35am
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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 10:53:09am

re: #387 Dr Lizardo

They would probably be generally the most pragmatic about it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:53:30am
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Sir John Barron  May 14, 2018 • 10:53:31am

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can we do that?

— Ann Coulter

Liberals are so violent.

///

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 10:53:32am

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Orwell was right. The new reality is written and crafted for consumption and then discarded and recrafted yet again as needed, with the public willfully absorbing each daily purge of yesterday with enthusiasm.

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Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2018 • 10:54:00am

re: #391 jaunte

They would probably be generally the most pragmatic about it.

I would certainly hope so.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 10:54:47am

re: #370 Scottish Dragon

Ok, last bit of fun, in addition to losing a match up with every potential Democratic nominee, Trump has this to worry about:

Q33 If the candidates for President next time were
Democrat Stephanie Clifford and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
Stephanie Clifford 42%
Donald Trump 41%
Not sure 17%

Q34 If the candidates for President next time were
Democrat Stormy Daniels and Republican
Donald Trump, who would you vote for?
Stormy Daniels 32%
Donald Trump 41%
Not sure 27%

His legitimate ceiling against an adult film star is 41%… as in, that’s the highest number he gets against any loosely defined potential challenger.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2018 • 10:54:57am

re: #380 I cannot.

I know I’m going to piss a LOT of people off with this…but #TeamClara

She saved the Doctor everywhere and everywhen in The Name of the Doctor. That, as far as I know…is an entirely different scale. And in doing so also saved everyone that the Doctor had ever saved, or ever would save.

My problem with Clara is that her story pretty much ended there. That the writers seemed to be building up to the big reveal…but did it too soon into her character arc. Once they had solved the mystery (in less than a season), they spent the following two looking for reasons to keep her around.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2018 • 10:55:27am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know how we defeated Communism? By making it clear that Capitalism could be something other than a rapacious scheme to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor. We did that by regulating it and using it to enrich everyone. It made Americans believe in Capitalism, because they saw that it could be made to work for the population as a whole, instead of just for the few.

But what have the Millennials seen? They’ve seen Capitalism increasingly favor the wealthy, while it fails to provide the same opportunities that their parents and grandparents got when they were young. Why, then, should they feel any particular love for Capitalism?

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 10:56:14am

re: #388 Hecuba’s daughter

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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 10:56:49am
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Citizen K  May 14, 2018 • 10:57:13am

re: #398 Blind Frog Belly White

You know how we defeated Communism? By making it clear that Capitalism could be something other than a rapacious scheme to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor. We did that by regulating it and using it to enrich everyone. It made Americans believe in Capitalism, because they saw that it could be made to work for the population as a whole, instead of just for the few.

But what have the Millennials seen? They’ve seen Capitalism increasingly favor the wealthy, while it fails to provide the same opportunities that their parents and grandparents got when they were young. Why, then, should they feel any particular love for Capitalism?

And lets be honest and upfront here: Soviet Communism defeated itself through unsustainability. We didn’t ‘defeat’ it, we outlasted it. And from the looks of it, we’re starting to collapse from our own unsustainability, masked by just how well the top of the board is doing.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2018 • 10:57:20am

re: #400 jaunte

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South Africa knows apartheid when they see it.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2018 • 10:57:32am

re: #379 Dr Lizardo

And what’s the reaction gonna be if the next POTUS moves the US Embassy back to Tel Aviv?

What changes will the rebranding of the consulate entail? The ambassador and his staff will relocate there? There will be an upgrade to the security? Certain responsibilities will be transferred there?

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 10:59:07am

re: #398 Blind Frog Belly White

You know how we defeated Communism? By making it clear that Capitalism could be something other than a rapacious scheme to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor. We did that by regulating it and using it to enrich everyone. It made Americans believe in Capitalism, because they saw that it could be made to work for the population as a whole, instead of just for the few.

But what have the Millennials seen? They’ve seen Capitalism increasingly favor the wealthy, while it fails to provide the same opportunities that their parents and grandparents got when they were young. Why, then, should they feel any particular love for Capitalism?

THIS THIS THIS THIS

Same for many of us Gen X folks. We watched our parents work for decades and then get discarded like garbage while we became the first generation to do not only fail to do better than the previous generation but in many ways go backwards in income and prosperity.

There is a reason why my spouse and I have taken a hard turn for the left.

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Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2018 • 10:59:19am

re: #403 Hecuba’s daughter

What changes will the rebranding of the consulate entail? The ambassador and his staff will relocate there? There will be an upgrade to the security? Certain responsibilities will be transferred there?

Well, I mean suppose the next POTUS closes the Jerusalem location entirely and transfers everything up to Tel Aviv. The whole enchilada.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 10:59:33am
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makeitstop  May 14, 2018 • 10:59:45am

re: #403 Hecuba’s daughter

What changes will the rebranding of the consulate entail? The ambassador and his staff will relocate there? There will be an upgrade to the security? Certain responsibilities will be transferred there?

An insufficiently fortified target?

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 10:59:54am

re: #400 jaunte

From the folks who would know best how apartheid ends up working out.

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makeitstop  May 14, 2018 • 11:01:41am

Now, who will be the first evangelical to get so cocky over this that he goes on a network news show and spills the beans?

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2018 • 11:01:58am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Well hell, I always liked her. RIP

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 14, 2018 • 11:01:59am

” Officials at the White House and Environment Protection Agency (EPA) fretted about a public relations “nightmare” from an agency’s expected move to change suggested standards for fluorinated chemicals in drinking water, according to internal emails.

The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), which is part of the Centers for Disease Control, is currently readjusting its standards for acceptable levels of the chemical in drinking water and is expected to propose that safe levels be almost six times stricter than EPA’s current recommendation. …”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2018 • 11:02:13am

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

Well, I mean suppose the next POTUS closes the Jerusalem location entirely and transfers everything up to Tel Aviv. The whole enchilada.

My bad. My comments were unclear. I meant — what does the “move” to Jerusalem actually entail.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 14, 2018 • 11:02:30am

Margot Kidder was too young

pagesix.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 11:06:22am
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freetoken  May 14, 2018 • 11:06:25am

re: #411 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump is the John Birch President.

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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 11:07:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 11:07:54am
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b.d.  May 14, 2018 • 11:08:41am

What is next on the evangelical Armageddon checklist?

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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2018 • 11:08:59am
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jaunte  May 14, 2018 • 11:10:09am

re: #418 b.d.

An unblemished red heifer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 11:10:14am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 11:10:37am

re: #398 Blind Frog Belly White

You know how we defeated Communism? By making it clear that Capitalism could be something other than a rapacious scheme to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor. We did that by regulating it and using it to enrich everyone. It made Americans believe in Capitalism, because they saw that it could be made to work for the population as a whole, instead of just for the few.

But what have the Millennials seen? They’ve seen Capitalism increasingly favor the wealthy, while it fails to provide the same opportunities that their parents and grandparents got when they were young. Why, then, should they feel any particular love for Capitalism?

We had to compete with Communism and to do so we had to put some limits on Capitalism. Once the opposing ideology was defeated, we stopped trying to rein in the excesses of rapacious capitalism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2018 • 11:12:14am
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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 11:13:13am

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Jay C  May 14, 2018 • 11:18:37am

re: #403 Hecuba’s daughter

What changes will the rebranding of the consulate entail? The ambassador and his staff will relocate there? There will be an upgrade to the security? Certain responsibilities will be transferred there?

Probably something similar (especially as The Donald has seemingly given the Jerusalem move a fairly limited budget): Up to me, I’d do a minimal remodel at the (former) Consulate to accommodate the official staff - change the signs from “Consulate” to “Embassy”, and leave most everything else back in Tel Aviv (changing the signs from “Embassy” to “Consulate” or “Embassy Annex” or whatever). Thus saving the move money for the important stuff, like publicity for Trump…

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 11:19:05am

re: #422 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We had to compete with Communism and to do so we had to put some limits on Capitalism. Once the opposing ideology was defeated, we stopped trying to rein in the excesses of rapacious capitalism.

I think part of it was a “living memory” thing. By the 1980s, how many people alive actually remembered the Great Depression? Not as a 10 year old with happy memories of playing in the streets with friends, but as a 20 something with no job prospects? Those people would have been in their 70s. Same thing happened with war policy, by 2000 we had very few people left who remembered WWII or even Korea; and nobody really likes to have a legitimate discussion of the red headed stepchild of American wars in Vietnam… so “sure, we can bomb the shit out of these countries, topple their governments and leave, I’m sure nothing bad will follow, they’ll figure things out on their own.”

We now have a generational divide on economics - Boomers who mostly managed to get while the getting was good vs GenXers and Millennials who are mostly screwed with stagnant wages and rising housing costs.

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 11:19:53am

re: #426 KGxvi

I think part of it was a “living memory” thing. By the 1980s, how many people alive actually remembered the Great Depression? Not as a 10 year old with happy memories of playing in the streets with friends, but as a 20 something with no job prospects? Those people would have been in their 70s. Same thing happened with war policy, by 2000 we had very few people left who remembered WWII or even Korea; and nobody really likes to have a legitimate discussion of the red headed stepchild of American wars in Vietnam… so “sure, we can bomb the shit out of these countries, topple their governments and leave, I’m sure nothing bad will follow, they’ll figure things out on their own.”

We now have a generational divide on economics - Boomers who mostly managed to get while the getting was good vs GenXers and Millennials who are mostly screwed with stagnant wages and rising housing costs.

Yep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 11:21:09am

re: #426 KGxvi

We now have a generational divide on economics - Boomers who mostly managed to get while the getting was good vs GenXers and Millennials who are mostly screwed with stagnant wages and rising housing costs.

Anyone born in Germany after 1985 does not really remember East and West Germany as separate nations.

And West Germany really went out of its way to offer a social market version of capitalism to compete with the East German variant. That is also on its way out.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2018 • 11:22:03am

re: #415 freetoken

Trump is the John Birch President.

He is the White Trash President.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2018 • 11:22:21am

re: #422 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We had to compete with Communism and to do so we had to put some limits on Capitalism. Once the opposing ideology was defeated, we stopped trying to rein in the excesses of rapacious capitalism.

It is technological change which is driving the current excesses. Capitalism never had loyalty to a nation. Once it no longer mattered where someone was physically located in order to provide services (except for those that still demand a physical presence such as nursing, etc), a company can shift its workforce anywhere and make a larger profit by paying lower wages and ignoring any safety protocols. Capitalism has always been and remains totally amoral with no concern for anyone other than the owners; see Donald Trump as a perfect example. If nations don’t impose rules that companies are forced to follow, the larger corporations will run roughshod over them.

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Scottish Dragon  May 14, 2018 • 11:24:30am

re: #430 Hecuba’s daughter

It is technological change which is driving the current excesses. Capitalism never had loyalty to a nation. Once it no longer mattered where someone was physically located in order to provide services (except for those that still demand a physical presence such as nursing, etc), a company can shift its workforce anywhere and make a larger profit by paying lower wages and ignoring any safety protocols. Capitalism has always been and remains totally amoral with no concern for anyone other than the owners; see Donald Trump as a perfect example. If nations don’t impose rules that companies are forced to follow, the larger corporations will run roughshod over them.

That is a point I have long made. Capitalism is utterly amoral. It rewards hitmen and drug lords as surely as anything other enterprise that can produce a good people will pay for.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2018 • 11:24:38am

re: #430 Hecuba’s daughter

It is technological change which is driving the current excesses. Capitalism never had loyalty to a nation. Once it no longer mattered where someone was physically located in order to provide services (except for those that still demand a physical presence such as nursing, etc), a company can shift its workforce anywhere and make a larger profit by paying lower wages and ignoring any safety protocols.

And that is what happens under globalism: capital is free to flow to wherever it finds the highest rate of return. Naturally it flows to places where costs related to worker safety, welfare and health are the lowest.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2018 • 11:28:13am

re: #415 freetoken

Trump is the John Birch President.

The old John Birch Society was opposed to everything Russian. But now it has adapted to the age of Trump and has been transformed as surely as the Republican Party.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 11:30:45am

They’re convinced that kids are “socialists” because they’re too stupid to know any better or they’re indoctrinated. The truth is the right wing version of capitalism is the best recruiting tool socialism ever asked for.

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BeachDem  May 14, 2018 • 11:32:08am

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jeez, the hideous gang is all there—Hagee, Jeffress, Cruz, Huckabee, Adelson, Lindsey Graham, the ever-repulsive Jarvanka and Mnuchin—I think Banshee Jeanine Pirro is there as well.

Not invited: Obama’s Israeli ambassador, Dan Shapiro

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Sir John Barron  May 14, 2018 • 11:33:36am

re: #435 BeachDem

Jeez, the hideous gang is all there—Hagee, Jeffress, Cruz, Huckabee, Adelson, Lindsey Graham, the ever-repulsive Jarvanka and Mnuchin—I think Banshee Jeanine Pirro is there as well.

We must really hate Israel to send that crew. I’m so sorry.

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BeachDem  May 14, 2018 • 11:36:05am

re: #425 Jay C

Probably something similar (especially as The Donald has seemingly given the Jerusalem move a fairly limited budget): Up to me, I’d do a minimal remodel at the (former) Consulate to accommodate the official staff - change the signs from “Consulate” to “Embassy”, and leave most everything else back in Tel Aviv (changing the signs from “Embassy” to “Consulate” or “Embassy Annex” or whatever). Thus saving the move money for the important stuff, like publicity for Trump…

That’s pretty much what they did. Hence his “we built this city” for pennies on the dollar bullshit.

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KGxvi  May 14, 2018 • 11:36:58am

re: #431 Scottish Dragon

That is a point I have long made. Capitalism is utterly amoral. It rewards hitmen and drug lords as surely as anything other enterprise that can produce a good people will pay for.

There is a view of corporate governance, which isn’t exactly the same thing as capitalism but is closely related, called the stakeholder model, which says that the executives and board of directors should consider all stakeholders in a corporation when making decisions - this includes not only shareholders but customers, suppliers, employees, and others they have contracted (and in a broad reading can include the community where they are located). This model has fallen out of favor and been replaced with shareholder supremacy, which argues that the executives and board of directors should only care about getting the highest return on investment for shareholders possible.

The stakeholder model tends to consider longer term objectives and will sacrifice more immediate returns. The shareholder supremacy view, however, tends to favor short term returns because all they care about are dividend payments and stock price. (Not surprisingly, the shareholder supremacy model really took off when stock options became a big selling point in executive compensation.)

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 14, 2018 • 11:38:06am

re: #433 Hecuba’s daughter

The old John Birch Society was opposed to everything Russian. But now it has adapted to the age of Trump and has been transformed as surely as the Republican Party.

The tell of the John Birch society and its successors is that initially they paired Communism with tyranny and massive-scale state violence…the latter condemning the former, but the former guaranteeing the latter…but when tyranny and mass-scale violence were deployed independent of “Communism” they found reasons to excuse it. Including excusing the behavior of post-Communist Russia as it did much the same shit that made the USSR awful (though on a smaller scale, diminished as it was by the breakup of the republic).

What was the core of their opposition, then?

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Jay C  May 14, 2018 • 11:41:54am

re: #435 BeachDem

Jeez, the hideous gang is all there—Hagee, Jeffress, Cruz, Huckabee, Adelson, Lindsey Graham, the ever-repulsive Jarvanka and Mnuchin—I think Banshee Jeanine Pirro is there as well.

Not invited: Obama’s Israeli ambassador, Dan Shapiro

Other than Sheldon Adelson and his wife, and Jared and Ivanka, were there any Jews there???

Ooops, didn’t see Steve Mnuchin… that’s five!

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 11:42:01am

re: #439 The Ghost of a Flea

The tell of the John Birch society and its successors is that initially they paired Communism with tyranny and massive-scale state violence…the latter condemning the former, but the former guaranteeing the latter…but when tyranny and mass-scale violence were deployed independent of “Communism” they found reasons to excuse it. Including excusing the behavior of post-Communist Russia as it did much the same shit that made the USSR awful (though on a smaller scale, diminished as it was by the breakup of the republic).

What was the core of their opposition, then?

I think they were afraid of losing their power and influence with communism. With right wing dictatorships like that of Putin, they’re fine.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2018 • 11:42:23am

re: #440 Jay C

Other than Sheldon Adelson and his wife, and Jared and Ivanka, were there any Jews there???

Mnuchin.

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ObserverArt  May 14, 2018 • 11:46:19am

re: #426 KGxvi

I think part of it was a “living memory” thing. By the 1980s, how many people alive actually remembered the Great Depression? Not as a 10 year old with happy memories of playing in the streets with friends, but as a 20 something with no job prospects? Those people would have been in their 70s. Same thing happened with war policy, by 2000 we had very few people left who remembered WWII or even Korea; and nobody really likes to have a legitimate discussion of the red headed stepchild of American wars in Vietnam… so “sure, we can bomb the shit out of these countries, topple their governments and leave, I’m sure nothing bad will follow, they’ll figure things out on their own.”

We now have a generational divide on economics - Boomers who mostly managed to get while the getting was good vs GenXers and Millennials who are mostly screwed with stagnant wages and rising housing costs.

Keep in mind many boomers did not get all while the getting is good. I know many in my age bracket (near or just retired) are not doing all that well. Many are maxed out on loans and cards and still owe on their homes.

Many also gave a lot of what they had to help their children try to get a start.

There are going to be a lot of poor boomers struggling in a few years. You can add them to all the middle class on down folks that are going to be hurting.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 14, 2018 • 11:51:25am

re: #443 ObserverArt

Keep in mind many boomers did not get all while the getting is good. I know many in my age bracket (near or just retired) are not doing all that well. Many are maxed out on loans and cards and still owe on their homes.

Many also gave a lot of what they had to help their children try to get a start.

There are going to be a lot of poor boomers struggling in a few years. You can add them to all the middle class on down folks that are going to be hurting.

A lot of the “Boomer” myth is that they keep extending the “Baby Boom™”. I thought I was right at the end of it (1952) but they kept stretching it out and out to, like 1962, to take in a lot of much younger people. The real Baby-Boomers (born 1946 to ~1950) are the ones who cleaned up. The rest of us, not so much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2018 • 11:58:11am

re: #401 Citizen K

And lets be honest and upfront here: Soviet Communism defeated itself through unsustainability. We didn’t ‘defeat’ it, we outlasted it. And from the looks of it, we’re starting to collapse from our own unsustainability, masked by just how well the top of the board is doing.

In the Great Depression, we made a conscious choice to save Capitalism by making it work for everyone, based on the observation that NOT doing so allowed Capitalism to tear itself to pieces. Tax the rich heavily, invest in programs for the middle and working classes, regulate banks and finance to limit gambling.

Along about 1980, we made a conscious choice to undo that, based on the erroneous belief that unregulated Capitalism wouldn’t tear itself to pieces. 10 years ago, it did just that. We’ve put a bandage on it that kept it going another decade, but now we have people who didn’t learn from the Great Depression OR the Great Recession running the show, and they want to tear off the bandages.

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2018 • 12:08:15pm

re: #371 Targetpractice

That was my thought as well, the press have gotten over their momentary flirtation with the Stormy Daniels story and are now beginning to get uncomfortable about how the elements of it are threatening Donny’s presidency. So Tucker Carlson’s digital fish wrap has given them the opportunity to do what they’ve been hinting at for some time: Present Avenatti as a “dirty” lawyer who is exploiting this story to make a lot of money. They’re not going to actually dig into the allegations he’s making because they don’t want to know where they go, so instead they’re going to attack him personally as a way of making the story all about him and drown out the allegations.

You know Hillary defended a rapist …

//

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2018 • 12:09:00pm

re: #372 Backwoods_Sleuth

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1984, the manual

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2018 • 12:35:49pm

re: #418 b.d.

What is next on the evangelical Armageddon checklist?

Rise of the Antichrist.


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