Right Wing Media Try to Whitewash Trump’s “Animals” Statement With Bad Faith Arguments

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Our so-called president did it again yesterday; he made a statement so blatantly bigoted and hateful it dominated the news cycle until the next outrageously racist thing he says.

And as usual, we have a host of right wing media pundits out there trying to claim he was only referring to MS-13 gang members — and extending that to accuse liberals and the mainstream media of sympathizing with the violent MS-13 gang.

But making this bad faith argument requires you to completely ignore Trump’s long, long history of making similar statements, calling immigrants “murderers” and “rapists,” saying they come from “shithole countries,” etc. If context is supposed to be important, then Donald Trump himself is all the context you need to evaluate this disgusting comment.

And there’s a simple way to see how the right wing base really feels about undocumented immigrants: browse through the comment sections of any of these dishonest right wing defenses. Most Trump voters absolutely love it when their dear leader makes extreme dehumanizing remarks like this.

Let’s face it. This is why they voted for him.

I really don’t know why right wingers even bother trying to run interference at this point. It’s risible beyond belief. They know what kind of person Donald Trump is. Just drop the pretense and the disingenuous bad faith arguments, folks, and embrace him. He’s your guy. Why keep fighting to picture him as something he isn’t?

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 12:30:06pm

If these fuckers want to go with the “context matters!” argument, I have four words for them:

“You didn’t build that.”

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 12:34:09pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

If these fuckers want to go with the “context matters!” argument, I have four words for them:

“You didn’t build that.”

Yep. Or Shirley Sherrod.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 12:35:14pm
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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 12:35:22pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

If these fuckers want to go with the “context matters!” argument, I have four words for them:

“You didn’t build that.”

Context matters except when it doesn’t.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 12:36:00pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Yep. Or Shirley Sherrod.

Or “basket of deplorables.”

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 12:36:58pm

I’ll admit I thought it was a shocking thing for him to say even given the rather low bar he has set so far.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 12:38:14pm

Uh, gangsters are people too. Just sayin.’

(What gave anyone the idea that “human” is a synonym for “good?”)

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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 12:39:12pm

re: #6 Sir John Barron

I’ll admit I thought it was a shocking thing for him to say even given the rather low bar he has set so far.

The bar is about halfway down the Mariana Trench at this point. No matter how terrible something he says is, I’m never surprised by it anymore. He’s an old racist moron with no grasp of any sort of policy.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 17, 2018 • 12:39:38pm
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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 12:41:04pm

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

Seems like a lot of work to make popcorn.

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 12:42:36pm

re: #7 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Uh, gangsters are people too. Just sayin.’

(What gave anyone the idea that “human” is a synonym for “good?”)

White Italian gangsters are good, Black and Hispanic gangsters are not, OK?

///

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Kragar  May 17, 2018 • 12:44:25pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 12:44:44pm

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

I think I’ll stick with the microwave.

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 12:44:46pm

re: #7 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Uh, gangsters are people too. Just sayin.’

(What gave anyone the idea that “human” is a synonym for “good?”)

And drUmpf thinks all Mexicans are gangsters anyway.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 12:46:15pm

I’d like to challenge Trump to draw a map of El Salvador.
Or find it on a map.
Or spell it.

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 12:47:39pm

re: #15 jaunte

I’d like to challenge Trump to draw a map of El Salvador.
Or find it on a map.
Or spell it.

It’s in the country of South America.

/

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 12:48:23pm

I met a woman from El Salvador a few days ago who walked from the Mexican border to San Antonio to find work. Imagine any of the Trump family walking 150 miles for anything.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 12:49:09pm

re: #7 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Uh, gangsters are people too. Just sayin.’

(What gave anyone the idea that “human” is a synonym for “good?”)

Because dehumanizing allows us to distance ourselves from these acts.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 12:49:11pm

She’s been working here (and paying taxes) for twenty years.

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 12:49:22pm

Haspel confirmed.

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wrenchwench  May 17, 2018 • 12:49:29pm

You know all the defense of what Trump said is disingenuous when he refuses asylum to refugees from gangs in Central America. Sends them back to their deaths.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 12:49:50pm

re: #8 KGxvi

The bar is about halfway down the Mariana Trench at this point. No matter how terrible something he says is, I’m never surprised by it anymore. He’s an old racist moron with no grasp of any sort of policy.

But the bar is actually being raised as the ocean floor fills up, don’cha know…

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Scottish Dragon  May 17, 2018 • 12:51:16pm

re: #8 KGxvi

The bar is about halfway down the Mariana Trench at this point. No matter how terrible something he says is, I’m never surprised by it anymore. He’s an old racist moron with no grasp of any sort of policy empathy, kindness or basic human decency.

FTFY

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 12:52:35pm

re: #20 makeitstop

Haspel confirmed.

It’s not the Republicans who worked themselves around to “Yes” that disgust me, it’s the Democrats who have embraced this lie that torture and unlawful detention were “necessary” after 9/11 that will forever mark this era. I’m beginning to wonder if I can support reelecting Warner after this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 12:52:46pm
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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 12:53:55pm

Animals are hunted for sport. Animals are raised, killed and processed for food. Animals are exterminated whenever they prove to be inconvenient.

For a political leader like Trump to refer to any people as animals is totally unacceptable.

I could not possibly care less about the context of Trump’s ‘animals’ talk.

It’s just more of Trump’s usual Schrodinger’s racist bullshit bafflegab “blah blah wah wah immigrant blah blah animal blah blah”. The deplorables see it as immigrant = animal, of course, and the press gets lost in navel gazing as it tried to parse the garbage.

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ckkatz  May 17, 2018 • 12:55:28pm

re: #10 KGxvi

Seems like a lot of work to make popcorn.

Or burn it.

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 12:56:38pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

GOP lawmaker says rocks falling into the ocean are partly to blame for higher sea levelshttps://t.co pic.twitter.com

— The Hill

Where are they falling from?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 12:56:39pm

Rest of thread behind the clicky

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 17, 2018 • 12:56:52pm

I knew Haspel would get confirmed. Fucking knew it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 12:58:28pm

re: #28 Sir John Barron

Where are they falling from?

White Cliffs of Dover

No, really

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lawhawk  May 17, 2018 • 12:58:46pm

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And we’ve got a complete ignoramus who doesn’t understand nuance and the issues, let alone the substantive policies mucking around thinking he will make a deal.

Everyone around him is in a similar boat. They’re all out of their depth.

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 12:59:04pm

re: #31 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

White Cliffs of Dover

No, really

and they’re filling the whole oceans of the world? Amazing.

/

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 12:59:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 12:59:28pm

re: #28 Sir John Barron

Where are they falling from?

the white cliffs of Dover, for one.
I am not joking.

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2018 • 1:00:55pm
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BigPapa  May 17, 2018 • 1:01:21pm

Dogs are smart. Also:

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lawhawk  May 17, 2018 • 1:01:28pm

This could mean he was in a vehicle that hit a pedicab. He was walking when it hit him, or something else entirely.

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 1:01:44pm

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Good thread on the real issues in any NK-SK-US negotiations. However, the Trump era reality is much simpler. If NK can find a way to personally bribe Trump, Trump would make any regional concessions to NK, up to and including letting NK + China try to win a war vs. SK with SK getting no US support.

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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 1:01:46pm

Going back to our discussion in the last thread about the Electoral College and proportionally allocating electors. Just did some quick math and depending on what kind of minimums are set, it’s entirely possible that Clinton wouldn’t have got to 270 that way, either. By my math, she’d have been somewhere around 260-265. The biggest problem with the Electoral College, like the Senate, is that it gives an outsized voice to the smaller states at the expense of the larger states. With respect to the legislature, that’s a fair compromise. But with the executive, that is supposed to represent everyone, it is decidedly less fair. So, again, fuck slavery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 1:02:11pm
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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 1:02:42pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Business as usual for GOP shitheads. Here ‘shithead’ is not intended as an insult. It is merely description.

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BeachDem  May 17, 2018 • 1:03:00pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

Animals are hunted for sport. Animals are raised, killed and processed for food. Animals are exterminated whenever they prove to be inconvenient.

For a political leader like Trump to refer to any people as animals is totally unacceptable.

I could not possibly care less about the context of Trump’s ‘animals’ talk.

It’s just more of Trump’s usual Schrodinger’s racist bullshit bafflegab “blah blah wah wah immigrant blah blah animal blah blah”. The deplorables see it as immigrant = animal, of course, and the press gets lost in navel gazing as it tried to parse the garbage.

And it wasn’t a one off for the yam:

Trump’s long history of referring to nonwhite criminals as animals

Excerpt:

A month before he declared his candidacy in 2015, Trump described the black killers of two police officers in Mississippi as “deranged animals.” After the terrorist attacks in Paris that November, the terrorists were “animals” taking advantage of what he described as lax gun laws in France. In early December, members of the Islamic State militant group were “a vicious group of animals.”

A few days later, he said that when terrorist “animals” attacked the World Trade Center in 2001, they sent their wives back to Saudi Arabia beforehand and the wives knew what was planned. That is not true.

On the day of the Iowa caucuses, he told a crowd that the Paris attackers were animals. “The press called them masterminds, the mastermind,” he said. “They’re not masterminds — they’re animals. We have to stop it. We have to be so tough. We have to be so vigilant.”

“Can you imagine these people, these animals over in the Middle East, that chop off heads, sitting around talking and seeing that we’re having a hard problem with waterboarding?” he said during a presidential debate in March 2016.

“An immigrant from Syria, who later applied and received United States citizenship, was accused by federal prosecutors of planning to go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers,” he said during a speech in Portland, Maine, in August of that year. “Preferably execution-style. We’re dealing with animals.”

washingtonpost.com

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 1:03:21pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nah. Drumpf doesn’t mean anything he says and doesn’t even know what he is saying.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:03:27pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah giving NK military weapons is a great idea.

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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 1:03:42pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald Trump: we want Germany to spend more on defense

Rest of Europe: um… no offense to Germany but…

Trump: we want North Korea to have a stronger military

Rest of Asia: um… wait, what?

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 1:04:31pm

re: #40 KGxvi

Going back to our discussion in the last thread about the Electoral College and proportionally allocating electors. Just did some quick math and depending on what kind of minimums are set, it’s entirely possible that Clinton wouldn’t have got to 270 that way, either. By my math, she’d have been somewhere around 260-265. The biggest problem with the Electoral College, like the Senate, is that it gives an outsized voice to the smaller states at the expense of the larger states. With respect to the legislature, that’s a fair compromise. But with the executive, that is supposed to represent everyone, it is decidedly less fair. So, again, fuck slavery.

The EC is indefensible. Its only effect these days is to systematically over-represent voters from sparsely populated states, giving the Republicans a wholly unjustified advantage.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 17, 2018 • 1:04:56pm
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Bass Reeves  May 17, 2018 • 1:06:09pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

Yep, abolish the EC, automatic voter registration at 18, and minorities will finish un-f***ing this country up, get y’all set up for when you meet actual aliens.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 1:06:19pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

the white cliffs of Dover, for one.
I am not joking.

So
Slow

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:07:06pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

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Except he never said anything about MS-13, you stupid witch. Don’t tell us your boss is a straight shooter after he gets caught making statements like that. And no it didn’t take an animal, it took a man. Men not animals commit crimes.

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Mike Lamb  May 17, 2018 • 1:07:34pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Military strength without their nukes? Good luck selling that.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 1:07:49pm

re: #52 Mike Lamb

Military strength without their nukes? Good luck selling that.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 1:07:52pm
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gwangung  May 17, 2018 • 1:08:19pm

re: #32 lawhawk

And we’ve got a complete ignoramus who doesn’t understand nuance and the issues, let alone the substantive policies mucking around thinking he will make a deal.

Everyone around him is in a similar boat. They’re all out of their depth.

He’s making Kim Jun Un look like a deal making genius.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 1:08:54pm

re: #29 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Biggest stumbling block in all of this? Trump wants to make sanctions relief and economic aid dependent upon NK first impressing inspectors that it has totally dismantled its nuclear program. Why is that a stumbling block? That was the entire basis of the Iran deal he just scrapped while arguing that Iran was violating the terms of the deal when in reality he’s the one violating it by unilaterally scrapping it and restoring sanctions.

What world leader would be dumb enough to take Trump’s word at this point that he won’t fuck them over the moment it begins polling well with his base?

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lawhawk  May 17, 2018 • 1:09:35pm

re: #38 lawhawk

His SUV doored a pedicab.

Basically, someone in his vehicle opened the door, and didn’t see an oncoming pedicab and the pedicab ran into the door, causing injuries.

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 1:09:48pm

God it must suck to be this guy.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:09:53pm

So the Iran Deal was awful wingnuts but Trump promising North Korea who has actually invaded its neighbors weapons.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 17, 2018 • 1:09:54pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

I knew Haspel would get confirmed. Fucking knew it.

We are in the hands of devils. Even the fucking Nazis did not publicly proclaim that their tortures and atrocities were right and lawful. This is not to say that Haspel and the CIA contractors are equivalent to Nazis, they aren’t, but it is a matter of degree rather than of substance. The Nazis at least had enough self-awareness not to baldly assert that wrong was right or admit that they were pursuing policies that contradicted all the civilized values for which they allegedly stood. Their constituency, the German masses, might not have tolerated it either if they had known, which doesn’t say much for the Trump base.

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 1:10:38pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Except he never said anything about MS-13, you stupid witch. Don’t tell us your boss is a straight shooter after he gets caught making statements like that. And no it didn’t take an animal, it took a man. Men not animals commit crimes.

If an animal kills a human (e.g., a man eating tiger), the animal is hunted down and shot on sight with some small effort made to ensure the correct animal is killed.

Apparently right wingers are perfectly fine with the same model being applied to human criminal justice. After all, that’s what they did in the south for decades with the lynchings, except that ‘some small effort’ was really ‘no effort’.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 1:10:41pm

re: #58 MsJ

God it must suck to be this guy.

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My sympathy for pricks like him ran dry ages ago.

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lawhawk  May 17, 2018 • 1:11:10pm

re: #53 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump again doesn’t know how NATO funding works. More basic: Trump doesn’t know how NATO works. He continues to think it’s a protection racket, and not a mutual defense treaty where the only time any member nation called on others to provide assistance was the US in the wake of 9/11.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 1:11:10pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:11:31pm

re: #58 MsJ

God it must suck to be this guy.

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Ironic Karma is a bitch.

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 1:12:21pm

re: #53 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump: NATO allies who miss spending defense targets will be ‘dealt with’ defensenews.com pic.twitter.com

— Defense News

This is always how we treat our friends.

//

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 1:12:48pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We are in the hands of devils. Even the fucking Nazis did not publicly proclaim that their tortures and atrocities were right and lawful. This is not to say that Haspel and the CIA contractors are equivalent to Nazis, they aren’t, but it is a matter of degree rather than of substance. The Nazis at least had enough self-awareness not to baldly assert that wrong was right or that they were pursuing policies that contradicted all the civilized values for which they allegedly stood. Their constituency, the German masses, might not have tolerated it either if they had known, which doesn’t say much for the Trump base.

This is the enduring stain from the W Bush administration. It was not sufficiently removed in the Obama years, and is now making a comeback.

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 1:13:18pm

re: #58 MsJ

God it must suck to be this guy.

Is the guy who yelled at the people speaking Spanish and threatened to call ICE?

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Bubblehead II  May 17, 2018 • 1:13:41pm
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stpaulbear  May 17, 2018 • 1:13:46pm

re: #57 lawhawk

His SUV doored a pedicab.

Basically, someone in his vehicle opened the door, and didn’t see an oncoming pedicab and the pedicab ran into the door, causing injuries.

That happened to me on my bicycle. A trip to the ER and 30-some stitches. It can be bad.

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 1:14:04pm

re: #68 Sir John Barron

Is the guy who yelled at the people speaking Spanish and threatened to call ICE?

Yes.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 1:14:15pm

re: #52 Mike Lamb

Military strength without their nukes? Good luck selling that.

Kim says “We’re not giving up our nukes because we don’t trust America.”

Trump says “Kim will give up his nukes because we’ll protect him if he does.”

I can see these talks working out well.//////

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gwangung  May 17, 2018 • 1:14:27pm

re: #57 lawhawk

His SUV doored a pedicab.

Basically, someone in his vehicle opened the door, and didn’t see an oncoming pedicab and the pedicab ran into the door, causing injuries.

Why does this not surprise me?

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dangerman  May 17, 2018 • 1:15:46pm

Today’s dispatch:

Out of the woods and closer to normal.

Things are much much better which was expected.
Pain is down to a one mostly.
Eating, talking normally, rolling eyes at my jokes….
And walking easily several times a day, though still some aches.
Expect the chest tube to come out tomorrow and we’re discharged and back in the hotel resting on Saturday.

Now we’re going walkies

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Mike Lamb  May 17, 2018 • 1:16:14pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

So the Iran Deal was awful wingnuts but Trump promising North Korea who has actually invaded its neighbors weapons.

It’s because we would be confirming that NK was dismantling its weapons, and not the dirty furriners at the UN. I mean, there are shithole countries represented at the UN.

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Sir John Barron  May 17, 2018 • 1:16:34pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Kim says “We’re not giving up our nukes because we don’t trust America.”

Trump says “Kim will give up his nukes because we’ll protect him if he does.”

I can see these talks working out well.//////

You know who is really trustworthy? DJT.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 1:21:00pm

So either Trump is offering NK the support of the US Armed Forces, which is going to be interesting when he endlessly bitches about how much our allies “cost us.”

Or he’s offering to sell American weapons to NK, which is like offering to send American weapons to Tehran.

Do I really need the “Imagine if Obama…” sign at this point?

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:22:50pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

So either Trump is offering NK the support of the US Armed Forces, which is going to be interesting when he endlessly bitches about how much our allies “cost us.”

Or he’s offering to sell American weapons to NK, which is like offering to send American weapons to Tehran.

Do I really need the “Imagine if Obama…” sign at this point?

He treats hostile powers like NK worse than he does our allies because he hasn’t met a dictatorship he hasn’t liked. And yeah I’m imagining the reaction from FNC if Obama so much agreed to meet NK let alone offer them military support.

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Bubblehead II  May 17, 2018 • 1:25:19pm

re: #58 MsJ

God it must suck to be this guy.

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Karma. It’ll bite you in the ass when you least expect it.

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petesh  May 17, 2018 • 1:25:28pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Trump again doesn’t know how NATO funding works. More basic: Trump doesn’t know how NATO works. He continues to think it’s a protection racket, and not a mutual defense treaty where the only time any member nation called on others to provide assistance was the US in the wake of 9/11.

This, also, too, verily and forsooth. Meanwhile, I would support an intelligent military policy that including drawing down most of the troops we have in foreign bases, of which there are many (both troops and bases). That could and probably should include a rethinking of NATO. But not by this guy, no way, no how. Ideally, Germany, France, Britain et al. are doing some long-term thinking along those lines, though given the nature of the current UK Foreign Secretary, that’s unlikely. I’ll come in again: I hope that Germany and France are doing some long-term planning.

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 1:25:47pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

Here’s another thing to consider about this mess. Trump could not possibly care less about the human rights situation in North Korea because he is a fucking sociopath.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:26:47pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

Here’s another thing to consider about this mess. Trump could not possibly care less about the human rights situation in North Korea because he is a fucking sociopath.

He probably envies what Kim is able to do.

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 1:27:16pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

It’s not the Republicans who worked themselves around to “Yes” that disgust me, it’s the Democrats who have embraced this lie that torture and unlawful detention were “necessary” after 9/11 that will forever mark this era. I’m beginning to wonder if I can support reelecting Warner after this.

Keep your eye on the bigger target.

Is voting against a Democrat that made the decision to allow the nomination of a new CIA director a good decision that could allow another Republican in Congress and maybe allow them to keep their majority?

Or, would it be better to work to get a Democratic majority that could rid of us Trump and keep said CIA director in check under hopefully that Democratic majority and the possibility of a Democratic President in 2020?

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 1:28:01pm

re: #58 MsJ

God it must suck to be this guy.

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He picked the wrong city in which to be a racist douchecanoe.

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Bubblehead II  May 17, 2018 • 1:28:21pm

re: #68 Sir John Barron

Is the guy who yelled at the people speaking Spanish and threatened to call ICE?

Yep.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 1:31:14pm

It’s sad to think that at the same time the NRA is raising Ollie North to sainthood, the White House is outright suggesting it’s a good idea to sell American weapons to a regime hostile to America.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:31:25pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

Keep your eye on the bigger target.

Is voting against a Democrat that made the decision to allow the nomination of a new CIA director a good decision that could allow another Republican in Congress and maybe allow them to keep their majority?

Or, would it be better to work to get a Democratic majority that could rid of us Trump and keep said CIA director in check under hopefully that Democratic majority and the possibility of a Democratic President in 2020?

I hear ya but it’s still disappointing from Warner and it helps feed the Glenn Greenwalds of the world.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 1:31:34pm

No collusion. No collision.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 17, 2018 • 1:32:39pm

She’s been missing for 2 years. She finally came back and now I have an extended family again! :)

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CongoJack  May 17, 2018 • 1:33:20pm

re: #85 Bubblehead II

Also - cant remember if it was this thread or the prior thread - that this same guy went off on a couple he literally ran into yelling, “where are you from” and “are you a citizen… I’m a citizen.” The guy he ran into was from MA, lily white, and the only “other feature” of the victim is that he had a beard.

This lawyer it seems has a track record of calling everyone he despises a non-citizen, non-American, and they should leave HIS country.

It is delicious to see this douche get his just deserts.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 17, 2018 • 1:33:40pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

I knew Haspel would get confirmed. Fucking knew it.

And AFAIK no one ever asked her about the possibly continued existence of transcripts of the tapes that were destroyed? Sad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 1:34:51pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:35:44pm

re: #90 CongoJack

Also - cant remember if it was this thread or the prior thread - that this same guy went off on a couple he literally ran into yelling, “where are you from” and “are you a citizen… I’m a citizen.” The guy he ran into was from MA, lily white, and the only “other feature” of the victim is that he had a beard.

This lawyer it seems has a track record of calling everyone he despises a non-citizen, non-American, and they should leave HIS country.

It is delicious to see this douche get his just deserts.

Yep. The dude from MA was close to my skintone, no accent. The guy’s just a douchebag with severe issues.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 1:36:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 1:40:36pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 1:40:59pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:41:22pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What about Ann Coulter, Candice or do you have a weird fixation with liberal women who CHOOSE not to have kids.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:43:12pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The wet socks will be getting nominated for a federal judgeship.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 1:45:23pm

So much winning!
So many jobs!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 1:46:03pm
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wrenchwench  May 17, 2018 • 1:46:35pm

re: #89 GlutenFreeJesus

She’s been missing for 2 years. She finally came back and now I have an extended family again! :)

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Welcome, hatchlings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 1:48:06pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:48:08pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Your right Sarah, an animal wouldn’t torture someone, Gina Haspel and your brother otoh.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:48:49pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  May 17, 2018 • 1:49:17pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

So much winning!
So many jobs!!!

Whiteness overrode the normal care for jobs.

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wrenchwench  May 17, 2018 • 1:49:27pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Interesting theory presented to me at lunch. Do you guys think something bio-chemically happens to women who don’t marry and/or have children? ]

Something bio-chemically happens to everyone, every day. It’s how we stay alive.

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austin_blue  May 17, 2018 • 1:51:18pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That what we’re giving South Korea.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 1:52:17pm
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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2018 • 1:55:04pm
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lawhawk  May 17, 2018 • 1:57:04pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Or Tomi.

Or any number of witless wonders who inhabit Trumpworld who happen to be single women.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 1:58:37pm

re: #110 lawhawk

Or Tomi.

Or any number of witless wonders who inhabit Trumpworld who happen to be single women.

Yep.

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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2018 • 2:03:21pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

The war cry of the modern barbarian.

We’re too smart for science!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:10:52pm

sounds riveting…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 17, 2018 • 2:10:57pm

I read the Trump quote in question and there exists enough “wiggle room” for supporters to claim that he was referring to MS-13 and not immigrants in general.

But that is not the point.

It is not going to change anybody’s mind either way, regardless of what he says. In fact, the more outrageous and bigoted things he says, the more his fans will support him.

And others will simply take it in stride, convincing themselves it is all just his style and that the other alternatives are just as bad in their own way.

And again, it is distracting us from all the other damage he and his people are doing to our economy, our environment, our society and our international diplomatic and military standing.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 2:12:21pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

sounds riveting…

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A veritable “Who Cares?” of American politics.

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 2:14:52pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

I hear ya but it’s still disappointing from Warner and it helps feed the Glenn Greenwalds of the world.

I’m no fan of Warner’s vote and I am not trying to justify it. I’m just worried that Republicans could take the seat if too many people use this against Warner and he gets voted out. I don’t know how close his most recent election was, but I get the impression he considered it.

I’ve read where the Democrats that voted for Haspel are justifying their vote based on their ability to control her and also on so many in the CIA being in favor of her heading the agency as they seem to think she is highly qualified. And, thinking that all she was doing was following the directives given to her by her superiors at the time.

Warner is on the Intelligence Committee so maybe he has a feel for it.

I’ve been disappointed by politicians before. All I know is to me Trump is the larger threat.

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Mike Lamb  May 17, 2018 • 2:15:06pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

sounds riveting…

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Kill me.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 2:15:28pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

sounds riveting…

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I’d rather go to the dentist.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 2:15:35pm

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read the Trump quote in question and there exists enough “wiggle room” for supporters to claim that he was referring to MS-13 and not immigrants in general.

But that is not the point.

It is not going to change anybody’s mind either way, regardless of what he says. In fact, the more outrageous and bigoted things he says, the more his fans will support him.

And others will simply take it in stride, convincing themselves it is all just his style and that the other alternatives are just as bad in their own way.

And again, it is distracting us from all the other damage he and his people are doing to our economy, our environment, our society and our international diplomatic and military standing.

No offense, but I’m old enough to remember when the Stormy Daniels NDA was “just a distraction.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:15:42pm
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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2018 • 2:16:00pm

re: #80 petesh

I’m sure they are.

History demonstrates that Russia will attack Western Europe at some point.* Europe realizes that the US, under Trump, can’t be trusted to uphold their treaty obligations.

So they’ll be building up their defences.

*Admittedly Operation Barbarossa and Napoleon gave them good reasons but any reason, or none, will do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 17, 2018 • 2:19:23pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

No offense, but I’m old enough to remember when the Stormy Daniels NDA was “just a distraction.”

The NDA itself was a distraction and what happened between two consulting adults should by all rights have remained nothing but another lurid Trump story.

It was just the matter of how the payment was made that is of any interest, as it involves a possible violation of campaign or financial reporting law.

And again, it is not enough to change anybody’s opinion of him, nor will it be enough to get him in any legal trouble unless the majority in Congress changes hands this year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:19:54pm
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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 2:20:16pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

I’m no fan of Warner’s vote and I am not trying to justify it. I’m just worried that Republicans could take the seat if too many people use this against Warner and he gets voted out. I don’t know how close his most recent election was, but I get the impression he considered it.

I’ve read where the Democrats that voted for Haspel are justifying their vote based on their ability to control her and also on so many in the CIA being in favor of her heading the agency as they seem to think she is highly qualified. And, thinking that all she was doing was following the directives given to her by her superiors at the time.

Warner is on the Intelligence Committee so maybe he has a feel for it.

I’ve been disappointed by politicians before. All I know is to me Trump is the larger threat.

“Befehl ist Befehl” is not a justifiable reason to overlook her actions. And too many atrocities have been committed by people who were appointed under the belief that they could be “controlled.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 17, 2018 • 2:20:38pm

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Patricia Kayden  May 17, 2018 • 2:20:59pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 17, 2018 • 2:22:50pm

re: #121 Romantic Heretic

I’m sure they are.

History demonstrates that Russia will attack Western Europe at some point.* Europe realizes that the US, under Trump, can’t be trusted to uphold their treaty obligations.

So they’ll be building up their defences.

*Admittedly Operation Barbarossa and Napoleon gave them good reasons but any reason, or none, will do.

I do not see a large threat of a Russian invasion of Europe, but I certainly see Putin consolidating his hold on the territories of the ex-USSR which is threatening enough.

Angela Merkel already made it clear that Germany and Europe can no longer rely on the US as any sort of ally, militarily, diplomatically or economically, and must find their own way forward.

And she is not someone to just speak off the cuff and then send people to sort out details, she obviously has contingency plans in the works as we speak.

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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2018 • 2:23:34pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nice of them to gather in one place like that.

Mostly/

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 2:25:14pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 17, 2018 • 2:26:31pm

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

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Video

Wow. Whoever was doing this was either reckless in the extreme, or had calluses on their hands thicker than bullhide. NO WAY should you have a bare hand anywhere near a pot of boiling oil and a 1000-degree sphere of metal.

I’ve been splashed by searing-hot grease when working in a kitchen during my college years.

It hurts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:26:53pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I love the sound of chips falling.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 2:28:05pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So many plea deals from a “witch hunt.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:29:02pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 2:29:20pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

I’m no fan of Warner’s vote and I am not trying to justify it. I’m just worried that Republicans could take the seat if too many people use this against Warner and he gets voted out. I don’t know how close his most recent election was, but I get the impression he considered it.

I’ve read where the Democrats that voted for Haspel are justifying their vote based on their ability to control her and also on so many in the CIA being in favor of her heading the agency as they seem to think she is highly qualified. And, thinking that all she was doing was following the directives given to her by her superiors at the time.

Warner is on the Intelligence Committee so maybe he has a feel for it.

I’ve been disappointed by politicians before. All I know is to me Trump is the larger threat.

My thought was that they didn’t think the next nominee would be better. The choice might very well be between a highly competent moral monster and an incompetent one.

And at least she promised not to restart a torture program under any circumstances. For what that’s worth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 17, 2018 • 2:30:22pm

Sarah Sanders defends Trump’s ‘animals’ comments: “If the media and liberals want to defend MS-13 they’re more than welcome to. Frankly, I don’t think the term the president used is strong enough.”

see my # 114.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 2:30:30pm

re: #13 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I think I’ll stick with the microwave.

Except that the last 4 or 5 microwaves we’ve had have set microwave popcorn on fire unless you stop when it’s half-popped.

And setting the power level lower means it takes longer and makes the problem worse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:30:48pm

more awkward handshaking

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 2:31:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:32:27pm

re: #138 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 2:32:57pm

re: #136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Except that the last 4 or 5 microwaves we’ve had have set microwave popcorn on fire unless you stop when it’s half-popped.

And setting the power level lower means it takes longer and makes the problem worse.

Oh dear. Fortunately I haven’t had that problem.

I still don’t think blazing metal is the way you want to go, though. Try an air popper?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 17, 2018 • 2:33:22pm

re: #138 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yes, Republicans in the 1860s *did* end slavery and promote civil rights.

“History is best discussed in cherry-picked, isolated facts, tweets and Internet memes.”

-Alexander Hamilton

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 2:33:40pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah because things are exactly the same now as they were then. Read a fucking history book, you ignorant little fuck.

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Ace Rothstein  May 17, 2018 • 2:33:51pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m going to take a wild guess and say there are less than 13 members in MS 13.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:34:11pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 17, 2018 • 2:34:15pm

re: #140 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Oh dear. Fortunately I haven’t had that problem.

I still don’t think blazing metal is the way you want to go, though. Try an air popper?

I still stick to the traditional pot will oil in the bottom, I am not bothered by extra calories as it is a treat reserved for when the kids are over for movie night.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 2:35:52pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 2:35:53pm

re: #143 Ace Rothstein

I’m going to take a wild guess and say there are less than 13 members in MS 13.

You’re wrong about that. They’re a problem but Trump knows nothing about them.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 2:36:20pm

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still stick to the traditional pot will oil in the bottom, I am not bothered by extra calories as it is a treat reserved for when the kids are over for movie night.

That works too. I prefer the air popper so I can drench my popcorn with pure butter. (Although I also use the microwave.)

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 2:37:47pm
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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 2:38:35pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

Biggest stumbling block in all of this? Trump wants to make sanctions relief and economic aid dependent upon NK first impressing inspectors that it has totally dismantled its nuclear program. Why is that a stumbling block? That was the entire basis of the Iran deal he just scrapped while arguing that Iran was violating the terms of the deal when in reality he’s the one violating it by unilaterally scrapping it and restoring sanctions.

What world leader would be dumb enough to take Trump’s word at this point that he won’t fuck them over the moment it begins polling well with his base?

Actually, they gave up on the “Iran is really violating the deal” argument and just went with “this deal is a bad deal” or more accurately, “fuck Obama

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Ace Rothstein  May 17, 2018 • 2:38:36pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

I forgot to / my remark. But I’ll bet you fifty Trump casino chips that if you placed a photo of Kate Steinle in front of him he would have no idea who she was.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 2:40:29pm

re: #151 Ace Rothstein

I forgot to / my remark. But I’ll bet you fifty Trump casino chips that if you placed a photo of Kate Steinle in front of him he would have no idea who she was.

Ah sorry. I thought you weren’t familiar with MS-13. I knew about them when Trump was cheating on Marla with Melania.

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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 2:41:31pm

re: #67 EPR-radar

This is the enduring stain from the W Bush administration. It was not sufficiently removed in the Obama years, and is now making a comeback.

I can understand Obama’s public statements about “looking forward, not back” and all of that. But even with those public statements, there should have been a quiet purge at the CIA of those who oversaw/conducted/approved torture. And if that meant that the CIA would have been gutted, so be it, a small funeral pyre, some salt, and a new building would be appropriate.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 17, 2018 • 2:43:52pm

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

But the bar is actually being raised as the ocean floor fills up, don’cha know…

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Ocean-filling rock guy was only the crust of the Republican cowpie:

Multiple other GOP lawmakers also cited theories that are not accepted by mainstream climate scientists, according to reports.

Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.) referenced a debunked theory popular with climate skeptics, which is that scientists in the 1970s said the Earth was cooling. Duffy disputed that position.

And GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.) told Duffy that it was “disturbing” to constantly be told not to question whether humans are the main cause of climate change, and that the committee “should all be open to different points of view.”

These clods are embarrassing us in front of the whole world.

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meteor  May 17, 2018 • 2:48:34pm
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Bubblehead II  May 17, 2018 • 2:49:34pm

New Bob Cesca Show. LIVE!

I Can’t Take This Anymore

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 2:49:58pm

re: #154 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ocean-filling rock guy was only the crust of the Republican cowpie:

These clods are embarrassing us in front of the whole world.

These are the sort of people who would, with totally straight faces, question why we can’t teach school children about an Earth-centered universe.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 2:51:04pm
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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 2:51:23pm

re: #80 petesh

This, also, too, verily and forsooth. Meanwhile, I would support an intelligent military policy that including drawing down most of the troops we have in foreign bases, of which there are many (both troops and bases). That could and probably should include a rethinking of NATO. But not by this guy, no way, no how. Ideally, Germany, France, Britain et al. are doing some long-term thinking along those lines, though given the nature of the current UK Foreign Secretary, that’s unlikely. I’ll come in again: I hope that Germany and France are doing some long-term planning.

With tongue only slightly planted in cheek, I’m not sure, based on history, that Germany and France building up their militaries is going to bring much comfort to the rest of Europe.

In all seriousness, Russia will continue to meddle in European affairs, and I suspect that Crimea would just be a warm up act if we were to withdraw from the region. It is the same reason we need to stay in Korea and Japan, there are forces in the region that would more than love to fill the power vacuum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 2:53:29pm
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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 2:54:33pm
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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 2:55:49pm

Thread.

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 2:56:32pm

re: #143 Ace Rothstein

I’m going to take a wild guess and say there are less than 13 members in MS 13.

8 -10,000 nationwide.

They’re a real problem here. A bunch of school kids were murdered by members here in the past couple of years.

That’s why Fatass and Sessions both personally visited Long Island to grandstand about them.

They are real, and they are nasty. My objection is that Trump uses them to paint all immigrants as murderers.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 2:56:43pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The concern trolls can’t be far behind.

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Bubblehead II  May 17, 2018 • 2:57:30pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good. Hit this racist asshole were it hurts the most. In his pocketbook. Next he needs to be evicted from wherever he lives (if he rents).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 3:01:19pm

oh…

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 3:03:05pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 3:03:22pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 3:04:28pm

re: #168 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’d love for wingnuts to explain to me why this is okay but the Iran Deal needed to be scraped.

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BigPapa  May 17, 2018 • 3:05:22pm

Today’s damage; bigot lawyer getting his, another one flips on Donnie Lil Hands, and Hugh Hewitt got caught with the receipts for pining for Pruitt in quid pro quo.

And I didn’t even have to use my AK. I gotta say it was a good day.

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calochortus  May 17, 2018 • 3:06:43pm

re: #89 GlutenFreeJesus

She’s been missing for 2 years. She finally came back and now I have an extended family again! :)

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We’ve got a pair of spotted towhees who have chosen our side yard to raise 2 (possibly 3, but I only see two gaping beaks) young ‘uns. No photo because they are ground nesters, fairly deep in the shrubbery and I didn’t want to upset Mom and Dad Towhee too much.

We may have CA quail nesting on the back hill, but we won’t be able to see them until they’re big enough to be out and about.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 17, 2018 • 3:06:44pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

I’m no fan of Warner’s vote and I am not trying to justify it. I’m just worried that Republicans could take the seat if too many people use this against Warner and he gets voted out. I don’t know how close his most recent election was, but I get the impression he considered it.

I’ve read where the Democrats that voted for Haspel are justifying their vote based on their ability to control her and also on so many in the CIA being in favor of her heading the agency as they seem to think she is highly qualified. And, thinking that all she was doing was following the directives given to her by her superiors at the time.

Warner is on the Intelligence Committee so maybe he has a feel for it.

I’ve been disappointed by politicians before. All I know is to me Trump is the larger threat.

My previously stated position is unchanged: whoever Trump nominates is someone who will support torture. At least Haspel is knowledgeable about the agency, is respected by its employees and may actually have the courage to stand up to Trump (I know, assumes facts not in evidence). She is also, AFAIK, not a Putin puppet; we don’t need, as director, someone who will betray the agency and this country.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 3:10:03pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I’d love for wingnuts to explain to me why this is okay but the Iran Deal needed to be scraped.

Because “stigginit.” They’re going to support any “deal” made with Kim on the grounds that it’s “better” than some hypothetical deal that Obama would have worked out.

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BigPapa  May 17, 2018 • 3:10:08pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 3:10:19pm

re: #172 Hecuba’s daughter

My previously stated position is unchanged: whoever Trump nominates is someone who will support torture. At least Haspel is knowledgeable about the agency, is respected by its employees and may actually have the courage to stand up to Trump (I know, assumes facts not in evidence). She is also, AFAIK, not a Putin puppet; we don’t need, as director, someone who will betray the agency and this country.

I understand what both of you are saying but after she couldn’t answer Senator Harris’s question, I think it’s more than reasonable to criticize those who voted for her confirmation. I still intend to vote for Warner in 2020 but he did without realizing it helped aid the Greewnald-BB argument about the two parties. Now GG will of course ignore that most Democrats opposed her nomination and you could well be right that someone worse could have taken her place but pressure was needed just as it was needed when Trump had the creepy douchebag from Carl’s Jr to run DOL.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 3:11:11pm

re: #174 BigPapa

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The thing is. Brooks does know better but he knows his constituents don’t so he spews this shit accordingly.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 3:13:11pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 3:13:29pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, I’m sure this guy will make more money on the Wingnut Welfare circuit for the rest of his life than he ever did as a lawyer. FREEZE PEACH!!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  May 17, 2018 • 3:14:06pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

The thing is. Brooks does know better but he knows his constituents don’t so he spews this shit accordingly.

Does he actually know better? It’s amazing how ignorant even some highly educated people can be if the subject is not in their personal specialty.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 3:14:06pm

50 miles to the west of my twenty. The goddamned wait staff is armed.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 3:14:16pm

re: #178 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, I’m sure this guy will make more money on the Wingnut Welfare circuit for the rest of his life than he ever did as a lawyer. FREEZE PEACH!!!!

I won’t be surprised if we see him on FNC, InfoWars, or some kind of wingnut media crying about how the people who called him out are the real bigots.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 3:14:47pm

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

Does he actually know better? It’s amazing how ignorant even some highly educated people can be if the subject is not in their personal specialty.

I don’t know but I’m convinced that a lot of these right wing politicians play dumb for play.

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calochortus  May 17, 2018 • 3:15:19pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

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Apparently it’s the latest scam to target Chinese immigrants. I’ve gotten a couple-I think. I don’t speak Mandarin.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 3:15:20pm

re: #180 teleskiguy

50 miles to the west of my twenty. The goddamned wait staff is armed.

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Yeah sorry man but when I visit your state, that’s one establishment I want to avoid. I don’t want to risk being shot while I’m fucking eating.

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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 3:20:56pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

I’m no fan of Warner’s vote and I am not trying to justify it. I’m just worried that Republicans could take the seat if too many people use this against Warner and he gets voted out. I don’t know how close his most recent election was, but I get the impression he considered it.

I’ve read where the Democrats that voted for Haspel are justifying their vote based on their ability to control her and also on so many in the CIA being in favor of her heading the agency as they seem to think she is highly qualified. And, thinking that all she was doing was following the directives given to her by her superiors at the time.

Warner is on the Intelligence Committee so maybe he has a feel for it.

I’ve been disappointed by politicians before. All I know is to me Trump is the larger threat.

There’s also the very real point that Haspel might have been the best we could get from Trump. That his next appointment would have been someone like John Yoo or Dick Cheney.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 3:21:49pm

re: #185 KGxvi

There’s also the very real point that Haspel might have been the best we could get from Trump. That his next appointment would have been someone like John Yoo or Dick Cheney.

You guys could be right but I think Virginians like TP and I are allowed a little disappointment on this front from our Senior Senator.

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2018 • 3:24:08pm
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Belafon  May 17, 2018 • 3:25:30pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

You guys could be right but I think Virginians like TP and I are allowed a little disappointment on this front from our Senior Senator.

When is he up for reelection?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 17, 2018 • 3:25:45pm

Meet Farris Wilks, Kingmaker of the Texas GOP

Wilks is an elder at an idiosyncratic church that reportedly doesn’t allow women to speak during worship. He also pumps millions into Texas Republican politics.

Farris, who couldn’t be reached for an interview, served as bishop of the fringy Assembly of Yahweh church for 31 years until his retirement in February 2017. He now returns regularly as a kind of guest star, or “elder.” The congregation celebrates the Sabbath on Saturday, observes dietary restrictions found in Leviticus and reportedly bans women from speaking during worship.

In the wake of Obama’s 2012 re-election, according to recordings reviewed by Right Wing Watch, Wilks preached, “I do believe that our country died that Tuesday night,” adding that millenarian musings were giving him comfort: “Maybe it’s time to wrap up some things, maybe it’s time to move on to the next 1,000 years.”

He and his equally fanatical brother have contributed 3.5 million to Texas Republicans since last July, mostly to extreme right wingers even by Texas GOP standards. It is enough to swing many smaller races.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 3:25:56pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

One of my co-workers did about half an hour ago.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 3:27:02pm

re: #185 KGxvi

There’s also the very real point that Haspel might have been the best we could get from Trump. That his next appointment would have been someone like John Yoo or Dick Cheney.

Isn’t that how we ended up with Gorsuch on the bench, “The next nominee could be worse”? Let him nominate someone worse and vote them down. If the GOP struggled to get votes to Haspel, how many votes would they get for somebody “worse”?

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 3:27:40pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

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The “liberal media,” ladies and gentlemen.

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 3:28:07pm

re: #190 jaunte

One of my co-workers did about half an hour ago.

To what end?

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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 3:28:17pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

You guys could be right but I think Virginians like TP and I are allowed a little disappointment on this front from our Senior Senator.

I don’t think that was really a justifiable reason to vote to confirm. I’m just suggesting that it is something a skeptical Senator might have considered. I see that Flake and Paul voted against her, that’s nice; unfortunately six Democrats voting for makes it just a footnote

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TedStriker  May 17, 2018 • 3:28:53pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

You guys could be right but I think Virginians like TP and I are allowed a little disappointment on this front from our Senior Senator.

Believe me, I think most of us non-Virginians understand, but given this is a Trump nominee here, it’s a choice between a shit sandwich (Haspel) and a shit sandwich topped with herpes (anyone else that Trump would nominate if Haspel went down).

I have to think that Warner was just being pragmatic about this.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 3:28:58pm

Jake Tapper, finding the mystical middle. I’m sure there are good people or animals on both sides

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 3:30:12pm

re: #193 MsJ

Our Mandarin speaker was busy in a meeting, so I’m not sure.

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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 3:33:49pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

Isn’t that how we ended up with Gorsuch on the bench, “The next nominee could be worse”? Let him nominate someone worse and vote them down. If the GOP struggled to get votes to Haspel, how many votes would they get for somebody “worse”?

If there were a handful of Republicans willing to actually join this fight, I would absolutely agree with you. But whatever McConnell has on the rest of his caucus is obviously strong enough to keep them in line for a lot of terrible appointments. So, I think someone like Flake would make a stand on the first one but then back the second one; or Paul would have a last minute change of heart. Maybe the Democrats pick up a couple of surprise wins in the Senate come November and that scares some Republicans into acting right, but until that happens, we have to recognize that the GOP has enough votes to go along with Trump.

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calochortus  May 17, 2018 • 3:35:01pm

re: #193 MsJ

To what end?

Apparently they tell people there is an issue with their immigration status, because of something back in China that, surprise! requires them to pay a bunch of money to someone in China. I have heard that this can be believable to some immigrants because of the way things often work in China, and especially if they still have relatives back there they may feel they need to take care of the “issue.”

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 3:38:03pm

Looks like that douchebag Schlossberg isn’t a member of the bar.

abovethelaw.com

While it was unclear how those two efforts would play out, what was plain to see was that Schlossberg’s website plainly stated he was “a member of the New York State Bar Association.” But a phone call proved that to be resoundingly untrue.

“Mr. Schlossberg is not a member of the New York State Bar Association,” Dan Weiller, the group’s managing director of marketing and communications, declared to NewsOne in no uncertain terms during a phone call Thursday morning.

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 3:38:48pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I don’t know but I’m convinced that a lot of these right wing politicians play dumb for play.

In other words…they know better, but they are willing to sell out to keep their jobs as their backers ignore reality.

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 3:41:22pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

You guys could be right but I think Virginians like TP and I are allowed a little disappointment on this front from our Senior Senator.

Happy…no one is saying you Virginians are not allowed to be upset. I’m upset by it all too. But as I originally mentioned what is the greater danger that exists right now?

It is a discussion board after all…and we be discussing!

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 3:42:25pm

re: #185 KGxvi

There’s also the very real point that Haspel might have been the best we could get from Trump. That his next appointment would have been someone like John Yoo or Dick Cheney.

I don’t see that argument netting any votes during a re-election fight though. It’s inherently defeatist and I’d argue not even really defensibly pragmatic when the real and probably better alternative is to just keep voting Trump’s nominees down and leave the CIA under the leadership of an Acting Director.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 3:44:46pm

re: #198 KGxvi

If there were a handful of Republicans willing to actually join this fight, I would absolutely agree with you. But whatever McConnell has on the rest of his caucus is obviously strong enough to keep them in line for a lot of terrible appointments. So, I think someone like Flake would make a stand on the first one but then back the second one; or Paul would have a last minute change of heart. Maybe the Democrats pick up a couple of surprise wins in the Senate come November and that scares some Republicans into acting right, but until that happens, we have to recognize that the GOP has enough votes to go along with Trump.

It’s the difference between “She’s a bad candidate who was approved by a bipartisan majority” and “He’s an absolute shit candidate who the Republicans own entirely.” I would rather the GOP be stuck owning that “worse” candidate” because Yertle twisted their arms than be stuck owning Haspel because “She’s the best we can get.”

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 3:47:13pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

It’s the difference between “She’s a bad candidate who was approved by a bipartisan majority” and “He’s an absolute shit candidate who the Republicans own entirely.” I would rather the GOP be stuck owning that “worse” candidate” because Yertle twisted their arms than be stuck owning Haspel because “She’s the best we can get.”

Exactly, when moderate Dems in swing to red States co-sign onto the nomination of a torturer it just feeds the far left and their attacks on Democrats.

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fern01  May 17, 2018 • 3:47:57pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reuters captures this image of Pompeo, Mattis and Bolton, in Trump’s meeting with the NATO secretary general

They volunteered to work for him - and after 15 months of KNOWING what he is like as president*. They should all hide their heads in shame.

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 3:51:33pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

I don’t see that argument netting any votes during a re-election fight though. It’s inherently defeatist and I’d argue not even really defensibly pragmatic when the real and probably better alternative is to just keep voting Trump’s nominees down and leave the CIA under the leadership of an Acting Director.

With what power can the Democrats be sure they can keep voting nominees down? They are in the minority.

Take Flake and Paul…maybe they voted the way they did for political reasons of their own.

Are you sure they would be against any of the other candidates if they do not have the politically hot reputation of Haspel?

And I just want to be clear about my own position. In no way it is defeatist (and I know you didn’t say that about my comments). My overall view is a lot of these problems are Trump related. I want to see Trump gone. Keeping another Democrat seat in Congress helps that if we can get the majority.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 3:52:35pm
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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 3:55:39pm

Trump and his supporters are fine with us calling him a big fat pig then, right?

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 3:55:41pm

re: #167 MsJ

Libertarians read this story and cry about how this guy didn’t properly monetize his blood donations.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 3:56:38pm

re: #207 ObserverArt

And I just want to be clear about my own position. In no way it is defeatist (and I know you didn’t say that about my comments). My overall view is a lot of these problems are Trump related. I want to see Trump gone. Keeping another Democrat seat in Congress helps that if we can get the majority.

Which takes me back to the question of how does voting for Haspel help keep a Democratic seat in Congress? How does that vote end up netting any votes in an election? Not one Republican is going to be motivated to vote for a Democrat because of this, it only turns off the Democratic base, enrages the far left and tells everyone who wants to believe it that there’s no difference between the two parties. It’s a garbage strategy.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 3:57:35pm
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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 3:57:41pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

I don’t see that argument netting any votes during a re-election fight though. It’s inherently defeatist and I’d argue not even really defensibly pragmatic when the real and probably better alternative is to just keep voting Trump’s nominees down and leave the CIA under the leadership of an Acting Director.

re: #204 Targetpractice

It’s the difference between “She’s a bad candidate who was approved by a bipartisan majority” and “He’s an absolute shit candidate who the Republicans own entirely.” I would rather the GOP be stuck owning that “worse” candidate” because Yertle twisted their arms than be stuck owning Haspel because “She’s the best we can get.”

Those are both fair points. Like I said, I wouldn’t have voted for her if I was there. But I can see how a Senator could come to that conclusion.

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 3:58:33pm

When memes collide…

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Hecuba's daughter  May 17, 2018 • 3:59:45pm

re: #200 MsJ

Looks like that douchebag Schlossberg isn’t a member of the bar.

abovethelaw.com

I have no legal background so my questions may be very naive:
(1) is Schlossberg a member of the Federalist Society
(2) do some members of that Society refusing to join the bar association as a matter of “principle”?
(3) if you are not a member of the bar, can you still practice law or are there limitations on your practice?

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 4:00:04pm

re: #213 KGxvi

Those are both fair points. Like I said, I wouldn’t have voted for her if I was there. But I can see how a Senator could come to that conclusion.

I can see it too, but I think it’s based on a deeply flawed calculus of what motivates people in the voting booth. I don’t see anybody saying “well I like that he/she voted for Haspel.” At best they aren’t going to give a shit and it’s far more likely that many otherwise potential supporters will actively hold it against them.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 4:00:10pm

re: #212 gocart mozart

The Republicans ended their support for civil rights and Reconstruction as part of their deal for the presidency in the Compromise of 1877

Thanks Dan Sickles! Nearly losing the Battle of Gettysburg for us wasn’t enough.

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allegro  May 17, 2018 • 4:00:31pm

re: #183 calochortus

Apparently it’s the latest scam to target Chinese immigrants. I’ve gotten a couple-I think. I don’t speak Mandarin.

I’ve been getting calls in Chinese (I presume) for several weeks. Been wondering WTF.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 4:01:21pm

re: #213 KGxvi

Those are both fair points. Like I said, I wouldn’t have voted for her if I was there. But I can see how a Senator could come to that conclusion.

How sure are we that Flake and Paul didn’t vote against her because she’s a woman?

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 4:01:49pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

I don’t see that argument netting any votes during a re-election fight though. It’s inherently defeatist and I’d argue not even really defensibly pragmatic when the real and probably better alternative is to just keep voting Trump’s nominees down and leave the CIA under the leadership of an Acting Director.

This. No votes for Democrats are to be had by peeling off Republicans or by looking to the mythical ‘center’. The only approach is to motivate and grow the base, and that requires consistent displays of fortitude, even when the votes in Congress may not be there to stop various (R) shitcannons from going off.

For example, every (D) vote in the Senate for a Trump judicial nomination is defeatist.

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 4:02:08pm

re: #211 goddamnedfrank

Which takes me back to how does voting for Haspel help keep a Democratic seat in Congress? How does that vote end up netting any votes in an election? Not one Republican is going to be motivated to vote for a Democrat because of this, it only turns off the Democratic base, enrages the far left and tells everyone who wants to believe it that there’s no difference between the two parties. It’s a garbage strategy.

Which is exactly what I am worried about. It is why I was asking in my original comment (you may have missed) what is the better move politically overall? To me Warner losing a seat over upset Democratic voters at this time is in my view more dangerous than Haspel.

If it goes they way you are depicting we may be fucked and have Trump for a full term or more.

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William Lewis  May 17, 2018 • 4:02:09pm

So I got a call from one of the Lovely IRS scammers. This is your final notice, etc stupid stuff. I call the number back. “Hello, IRS” “Yeah, hello, see I actually owe the real IRS ~$50,000 in back taxes, so I know how they operate. This number has been reported to the FBI.” < Click from their end >

Ah, that was fun.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 4:02:42pm

re: #215 Hecuba’s daughter

I have no legal background so my questions may be very naive:
(1) is Schlossberg a member of the Federalist Society
(2) do some members of that Society refusing to join the bar association as a matter of “principle”?
(3) if you are not a member of the bar, can you still practice law or are there limitations on your practice?

Yeah, I thought “lawyer” and Member of the Bar” were synonymous terms….

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 4:02:59pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

Trump and his supporters are fine with us calling him a big fat pig then, right?

Please. It’s “overfed beshitted swine”

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 4:03:57pm

re: #215 Hecuba’s daughter

I have no legal background so my questions may be very naive:
(1) is Schlossberg a member of the Federalist Society
(2) do some members of that Society refusing to join the bar association as a matter of “principle”?
(3) if you are not a member of the bar, can you still practice law or are there limitations on your practice?

I can’t answer 1 or 2 but I believe if you pass the test you can practice law without being a member of the bar. I think it’s a prestige thing that offers assurances, if you will, that someone is in good standing.

His problem is he states on the website he is while he’s not.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 4:04:19pm
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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 4:06:52pm

re: #215 Hecuba’s daughter

I have no legal background so my questions may be very naive:
(1) is Schlossberg a member of the Federalist Society
(2) do some members of that Society refusing to join the bar association as a matter of “principle”?
(3) if you are not a member of the bar, can you still practice law or are there limitations on your practice?

Some answers:
1. you don’t have to be an attorney to be a member of the federalist society (I used to be a member while in law school)
2. no, unless joining a bar association is optional in their state
3. New York requires you to register as a member of the bar upon passing the bar exam. He wouldn’t be authorized to practice law otherwise.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 4:07:10pm
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pdoggeth  May 17, 2018 • 4:07:37pm

You’re stretching this Chuck,

It’s pretty dang obvious that Trump was talking about MS13. The talk began with discussions about gang issues and law enforcement, and MS13 was mentioned then at first. It was brought up again by the sheriff right before the Trump choice quote.

You can criticize Trump on his previous gaffes, but to claim he’s trying to insinuate all illegal immigrants are animals is to try to pretend Michelle Obama was saying “whitey” all those years ago. You got to be really drinking the kool-aid to believe some of this stuff.

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 4:08:28pm

re: #227 KGxvi

Some answers:
1. you don’t have to be an attorney to be a member of the federalist society (I used to be a member while in law school)
2. no, unless joining a bar association is optional in their state
3. New York requires you to register as a member of the bar upon passing the bar exam. He wouldn’t be authorized to practice law otherwise.

#3…NO SHIT? I think that guy is in legal trouble then.

I hope he had a good attorney. 🤣😂

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 4:10:36pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

You’re stretching this Chuck,

It’s pretty dang obvious that Trump was talking about MS13. The talk began with discussions about gang issues and law enforcement, and MS13 was mentioned then at first. It was brought up again by the sheriff right before the Trump choice quote.

You can criticize Trump on his previous gaffes, but to claim he’s trying to insinuate all illegal immigrants are animals is to try to pretend Michelle Obama was saying “whitey” all those years ago. You got to be really drinking the kool-aid to believe some of this stuff.

Created an account to get that dig in did you?

And Chuck was a nice touch.

See ya!

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 4:10:50pm

Oh look, a hatchling troll has decided to chime in.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 4:11:07pm
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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 4:11:23pm
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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 4:11:53pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

Trump says shit like this all the time. “Mexicans are rapists” insinuates ALL Mexicans are rapists.

FFS, He thinks MS-13 is from Mexico.

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KGxvi  May 17, 2018 • 4:12:01pm

re: #230 MsJ

#3…NO SHIT? I think that guy is in legal trouble then.

I hope he had a good attorney. 🤣😂

Yup, here are the rules.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 4:12:15pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

Well, it has been quite a stretch since we’ve had a troll barbecue.

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 4:14:18pm

Thought it smelled a little off in here.

Is he gone already? Didn’t even have time to fire up the grill…

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rhuarc  May 17, 2018 • 4:14:50pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

You’re stretching this Chuck,

It’s pretty dang obvious that Trump was talking about MS13. The talk began with discussions about gang issues and law enforcement, and MS13 was mentioned then at first. It was brought up again by the sheriff right before the Trump choice quote.

You can criticize Trump on his previous gaffes, but to claim he’s trying to insinuate all illegal immigrants are animals is to try to pretend Michelle Obama was saying “whitey” all those years ago. You got to be really drinking the kool-aid to believe some of this stuff.

The asshole’s body of work says differently. We all know what he meant.

Thanks for playing, though. You’ll probably be gone shortly.

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 4:15:12pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

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Well, it has been quite a stretch since we’ve had a troll barbecue.

You know, I’ve seen that image many a time…but tonight it dawned on me that is a full Tucker Carlson.

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 4:16:37pm

re: #230 MsJ

#3…NO SHIT? I think that guy is in legal trouble then.

I hope he had a good attorney. 🤣😂

The bar associations are how lawyers police their own, so the threat of getting disbarred is a severe one that is taken seriously by all but the most foolhardy lawyers.

A mentor of mine some time ago had a habit of reading the CA bar association’s reports on its disciplinary activities. His best LOL moment from this was one guy who was convicted of manslaughter and his argument to the CA bar was that “manslaughter was not a crime of moral turpitude”. That argument didn’t fly.

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mmmirele  May 17, 2018 • 4:16:56pm

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

After watching videos of potters load their wood firing kilns and then get the temp through the kiln to 1250C over approximately 5 days, then hold them at that temperature (stoking every 15 minutes or so) for a few more days, sealing the kiln with mud and letting the fire die out over a few more days, these guys with their glowing metal balls and popcorn do not impress me. What I am impressed with is firing a climbing wood kiln and having the flames go entirely through the kiln and up and out the chimney. It takes a few days to achieve this and is something you want to know what you’re doing before you attempt it. This is definitely a situation where you want your neighbors to know that you’re not burning anything down.

There are lots of videos of kiln firings; this one is of a Japanese master back in the later ’00s. This particular kiln was knocked down during the Fukushima earthquake but has since been rebuilt.

Ken Matsuzaki: “Elemental” feature film about Japanese potter

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 4:18:18pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

Had to dig a little, but I finally found the thread. Hey shithead, read this thread, read the whole thing very carefully.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 4:21:35pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 4:22:58pm
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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 4:24:03pm

re: #243 teleskiguy

Even if Trump had just said “MS-13 members are animals” that doesn’t help the Trumpist cause very much.

Animals that kill people are hunted down and shot on sight. This is exactly the law enforcement model that gets RWNJs all hot and bothered in their unmentionables, as long as it is applied only to black and brown people.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 4:24:26pm

re: #226 JordanRules

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 4:28:35pm

re: #228 gocart mozart

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“…to figure out how we can keep antifa in check,….

Exactly why would you want to keep antifa in check, Megan? Unless of course you’re profa….

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Hecuba's daughter  May 17, 2018 • 4:28:43pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

Clearly a Trump troll because you have no courtesy or manners. Our host’s name is Charles, not Chuck. And repeating outright lies about Michelle Obama is not likely to endear you to any decent person.

I read Trump’s exchange and it seemed designed to cover all immigrants. He had a long rant but nowhere did he mention MS13. Even if the query itself mentioned MS13, his direction was not so limited. One certainly could argue that he is renowned for his imprecision, but Mr “some very fine people on both sides” doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 17, 2018 • 4:31:19pm

re: #249 Hecuba’s daughter

Clearly a Trump troll because you have no courtesy or manners. Our host’s name is Charles, not Chuck. And repeating outright lies about Michelle Obama is not likely to endear you to any decent person.

I read Trump’s exchange and it seemed designed to cover all immigrants. He had a long rant but nowhere did he mention MS13. Even if the query itself mentioned MS13, his direction was not so limited. One certainly could argue that he is renowned for his imprecision, but Mr “some very fine people on both sides” doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Trump of course removed Obama’s focus on criminals to unleash ICE on all undocumented immigrants, so any claim that his brag about removing “animals” at a fast rate was about MS-13 members only is false.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 4:31:27pm
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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 4:32:17pm

re: #245 JordanRules

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Snowflake was a big man out front yesterday…today he is in disguise and running.

What, not proud of your stance? Seemed like you were pretty sure of yourself yesterday when you were berating staff in a restaurant.

Has he claimed the First Amendment yet? Or, is that next?

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plansbandc  May 17, 2018 • 4:33:28pm

re: #226 JordanRules

Jesus Christ. Why is it too much to ask that someone who holds the office of POTUS actually have some common knowledge?

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Dave In Austin  May 17, 2018 • 4:34:58pm

Check this shit out. I don’t have a dog in this fight but still….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 4:38:42pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 4:40:13pm

re: #254 Dave In Austin

Check this shit out. I don’t have a dog in this fight but still….

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Oh hell no. This is stupid, costly, and unfair.

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Teukka  May 17, 2018 • 4:41:55pm

re: #247 teleskiguy

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re: #226 JordanRules

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How retrobulbarly evacuated do you have to be to confuse HPV with HIV?!!!?

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 4:43:17pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 17, 2018 • 4:44:28pm

re: #230 MsJ

#3…NO SHIT? I think that guy is in legal trouble then.

I hope he had a good attorney. 🤣😂

That’s a member of the Bar.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 4:44:56pm

re: #257 Teukka

How retrobulbarly evacuated do you have to be to confuse HPV with HIV?!!!?

They’re both things that only sinful people can get.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 4:45:18pm

re: #260 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They’re both things that only sinful people can get.

And we all know that Trump has never sinned since he took office.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 4:46:22pm
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Belafon  May 17, 2018 • 4:47:06pm

re: #255 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That would require Trump to know history.

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William Lewis  May 17, 2018 • 4:48:01pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

Sad little snowflake, the door is over there. Try not to let it hit you, troll skid marks are nasty to clean off them.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 4:48:13pm

re: #262 Blind Frog Belly White

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I once posed the question to my Facebook feed, “How would you feel about the Parable of the Good Samaritan if the Samaritan was replaced by a Muslim terrorist?” It got awfully quiet for a day or so after that.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 4:49:19pm

Stupid little troll commented and left. Melty snowflake is very melty.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 4:49:35pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

Stupid little troll commented and left. Melty snowflake is very melty.

I always miss the fun.

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ObserverArt  May 17, 2018 • 4:50:55pm

So, I just wanted to remind myself of that special Tucker Carlson look that I thought teleskiguy’s Fred Armisen image captures. So I did a Google image search and look what happened!

It is a Photoshop joke!
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William Lewis  May 17, 2018 • 4:51:02pm

re: #265 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I once posed the question to my Facebook feed, “How would you feel about the Parable of the Good Samaritan if the Samaritan was replaced by a Muslim terrorist?” It got awfully quiet for a day or so after that.

Which is exactly what Jesus was saying. Or more bluntly today, the Samaritan is a member in good standing of MS-13 ;) But I think folks here get that.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 4:52:01pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 4:52:22pm

moron has got to be a moron

with melania in the hospital, he figured to get a photo op to make visiting her worth the effort….

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 4:52:59pm

re: #269 William Lewis

Which is exactly what Jesus was saying. Or more bluntly today, the Samaritan is a member in good standing of MS-13 ;) But I think folks here get that.

The thing about the Good Samaritan is that it’s easy for right-wing assholes to abstract the parable away if they keep portraying the erstwhile hero as a Samaritan, because to a modern layperson, “Samaritan” is a historical construct that has no contextual value. If you rephrase the parable in modern terms that they understand, suddenly it gets a whole lot more uncomfortable.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 4:53:57pm
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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 4:54:16pm

re: #267 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I always miss the fun.

Not much fun involved. He came in, showed his ass and ran off.

They don’t make trolls like they used to.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 4:54:55pm

re: #274 makeitstop

Not much fun involved. He came in, showed his ass and ran off.

They don’t make trolls like they used to.

Humph. Charles needs to bring us better toys.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 17, 2018 • 4:55:40pm

The delicious aroma of roasting gamey buttocks wafts from my monitor. Did you save any for me?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 4:56:42pm

re: #276 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The delicious aroma of roasting gamey buttocks wafts from my monitor. Did you save any for me?

Didn’t even get a chance to get it on the grill, unfortunately. It panicked and fled as soon as somebody stoked the coals.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 4:57:49pm
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meteor  May 17, 2018 • 4:58:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 4:59:08pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 4:59:49pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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NO EMOLUMENTS!! NO EMOLUMENTS!! YOU’RE THE EMOLUMENTS!!!

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 5:03:15pm

re: #273 JordanRules

And there will be zero shit-tweets from Trump about Gates. Trump is scared to death of anyone who is richer than he is. This goes a long way toward explaining Trump’s cringing, dog-like subservience to Putin.

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Ace Rothstein  May 17, 2018 • 5:04:05pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

Everyone here is richer than Trump.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 5:05:38pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

There are some who say Putin is the richest man on the planet.

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 5:05:52pm

re: #283 Ace Rothstein

Everyone here is richer than Trump.

I figure that anyone with a positive net worth is likely to be richer than Trump on the grounds that Trump is almost certainly owned up to his hair-tribble by Putin/Russian mafia.

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 5:07:22pm

re: #284 teleskiguy

There are some who say Putin is the richest man on the planet.

It wouldn’t surprise me. Putin has put every oligarch in Russian on a short leash, and I bet they all had to cough up at least half their assets if they wanted to stay alive.

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Ace Rothstein  May 17, 2018 • 5:07:35pm

re: #285 EPR-radar

If Trump sold everything off tomorrow, and actually paid off his debts (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL), he would still owe tens of millions. His “money” is all borrowed.

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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 5:09:07pm

re: #287 Ace Rothstein

If Trump sold everything off tomorrow, and actually paid off his debts (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL), he would still owe tens of millions. His “money” is all borrowed.

Exactly. Trump almost certainly has negative net worth, and is allowed to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous because his creditors think that will help with the payment schedule.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:09:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 5:09:35pm
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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:10:22pm
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EPR-radar  May 17, 2018 • 5:11:58pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

In this world of sin and sorrow, there are always a few bright spots. One such bright spot is that Trump is stuck with Eric as one of his sons.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 5:12:01pm

re: #288 EPR-radar

Exactly. Trump almost certainly has negative net worth, and is allowed to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous because his creditors think that will help with the payment schedule.

A long time ago, it used to be a saying that it was just as good to owe a million dollars as to have a million dollars. You’d have to replace “million” with “billion” nowadays, though….

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 5:12:02pm

They must have hired a crisis management team on the low.

Between the Laurel/Yanni video and those Walter Reed pics, they’re trying really hard to put a human face over the death mask.

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BeachDem  May 17, 2018 • 5:12:44pm

re: #208 JordanRules

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And while Jake Tapper makes excuses for the yam, Chris Hayes and Phil Bump have it right. I re-post:

Trump’s long history of referring to nonwhite criminals as ‘animals’

washingtonpost.com

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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 5:13:27pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

That USA article is from last year.

But yes, this idea that non-Trump and non-Trumpers are not people have a history within the Trump clan.

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 5:13:35pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eric’s face gets more punchable by the day.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 5:13:42pm

No, my great-great grandparents were part of an organization that committed genocide, stole the land from the people they’d killed, and encouraged the enslavement of an entire race for the benefit of another.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:13:56pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 5:15:09pm

re: #291 gocart mozart

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No they weren’t and neither are most El Salvadorans you hypocritical little piece of shit.

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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 5:17:37pm

re: #298 Blind Frog Belly White

The ugly irony of Shapiro’s snide remark is that indeed many American’s great great grandparents were involved in either 1) genocidal destruction of Native Americans, and/or 2) defending slavery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 5:17:40pm

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 5:18:50pm

re: #296 freetoken

That USA article is from last year.

But yes, this idea that non-Trump and non-Trumpers are not people have a history within the Trump clan.

I know it was.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 5:20:18pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

No they weren’t and neither are most El Salvadorans you hypocritical little piece of shit.

Peter, Paul and Mary - El Salvador (25th Anniversary Concert)

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 5:20:38pm

re: #301 freetoken

The ugly irony of Shapiro’s snide remark is that indeed many American’s great great grandparents were involved in either 1) genocidal destruction of Native Americans, and/or 2) defending slavery.

I thought I just said that.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 5:21:20pm

re: #301 freetoken

The ugly irony of Shapiro’s snide remark is that indeed many American’s great great grandparents were involved in either 1) genocidal destruction of Native Americans, and/or 2) defending slavery.

He doesn’t consider that a problem because he’s a hypocritical little shitbrain that doesn’t consider that.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:21:21pm
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The Major  May 17, 2018 • 5:21:41pm

Boy, can Microsoft really cock-up bigtime. Their last big-arse update totally borked my network settings to the point that I couldn’t do squat and had to roll it back.

At least I was able to roll it back, thank the gods of Redmond…

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 5:21:41pm

re: #305 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought I just said that.

GMTA.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 5:22:18pm

re: #308 The Major

Boy, can Microsoft really cock-up bigtime. Their last big-arse update totally borked my network settings to the point that I couldn’t do squat and had to roll it back.

At least I was able to roll it back, thank the gods of Redmond…

And may FSM help you if you’re trying to run any flavor of Windows in a virtual machine. No wonder their Azure cloud architecture runs on Linux these days…

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 5:23:07pm

re: #307 gocart mozart

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A foul message? Your organization employs Ted Nugent but please lecture some more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 5:24:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 5:25:19pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

A foul message? Your organization employs Ted Nugent but please lecture some more.

What, he called them chicken?
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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2018 • 5:25:34pm
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Single-handed sailor  May 17, 2018 • 5:26:49pm

re: #308 The Major

Boy, can Microsoft really cock-up bigtime. Their last big-arse update totally borked my network settings to the point that I couldn’t do squat and had to roll it back.

At least I was able to roll it back, thank the gods of Redmond…

I can’t even get it to install. Computer crashes on restart then uninstalls update, downloads it again and does the same thing over and over. Their fixes don’t work. I gave up on updating.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 5:26:56pm

re: #314 Charles Johnson

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It’s almost like considering the source means something.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 5:27:59pm

re: #314 Charles Johnson

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I dunno, Charles. It’s hard to believe that someone who called undocumented immigrants criminals, rapists, and drug dealers would also call them animals.
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William Lewis  May 17, 2018 • 5:28:07pm

re: #272 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The thing about the Good Samaritan is that it’s easy for right-wing assholes to abstract the parable away if they keep portraying the erstwhile hero as a Samaritan, because to a modern layperson, “Samaritan” is a historical construct that has no contextual value. If you rephrase the parable in modern terms that they understand, suddenly it gets a whole lot more uncomfortable.

Even on the rare occasion that they know that there are still Samaritans (~800 adults) living in the West Bank and worshiping according to their interpretation of Torah on Mt. Gerizim that tends to still be true.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 5:29:37pm

re: #318 William Lewis

Even on the rare occasion that they know that there are still Samaritans (~800 adults) living in the West Bank and worshiping according to their interpretation of Torah on Mt. Gerizim that tends to still be true.

Technically, just about every Jew is a “Samaritan” because the original term referred to Northern Israelites who intermarried with their occupiers after Samaria fell.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 5:29:39pm

re: #315 Single-handed sailor

I can’t even get it to install. Computer crashes on restart then uninstalls update, downloads it again and does the same thing over and over. Their fixes don’t work. I gave up on updating.

Occasionally I see things like that tweet about Bill Gates upthread and reflect that I’m starting to hate him a little less now that he’s out of the everyday operation, but then…nah! He’s still got a lot to answer for….

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 5:30:02pm

This is so typically Trump - he’s in the ‘promise them anything’ stage of the negotiation.

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BeachDem  May 17, 2018 • 5:30:04pm

And while we’re playing words games, the NYT refers to Haspel’s adventures as “brushes with torture,” kinda like “Words with Friends” right?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 5:30:28pm

re: #308 The Major

Boy, can Microsoft really cock-up bigtime. Their last big-arse update totally borked my network settings to the point that I couldn’t do squat and had to roll it back.

At least I was able to roll it back, thank the gods of Redmond…

Mine’s scheduled for tonight. Hopefully my theater PC still works in the morning.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 5:32:31pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 5:33:17pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 5:34:13pm
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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:35:07pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 5:36:20pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 5:36:53pm

re: #326 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Stop trying to be funny. You’re not funny. You’re a pathetic old hack attacking someone who actually has some character, a thing you’ll never have.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 5:38:46pm

re: #328 JordanRules

Washington press does not look like a real news site. It popped up an impeachment petition when the page loaded.

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 5:38:56pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Stop trying to be funny. You’re not funny. You’re a pathetic old hack attacking someone who actually has some character, a thing you’ll never have.

Yo, this is Jeff Flake we’re talking about here. He’s got more character than Trump or the Huckleberry family, but let’s not get carried around here.

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2018 • 5:40:11pm
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BlueSpotinAL  May 17, 2018 • 5:40:32pm

re: #71 MsJ

Re whether guy in video was racist asshole who threatened to report spanish speking workers to ICE:

Yes. Si.

Fixed that for you.

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Dave In Austin  May 17, 2018 • 5:42:49pm

Migraines….. A monthly injection with a Yearly cost $6900 yr

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 5:42:54pm

re: #331 makeitstop

Yo, this is Jeff Flake we’re talking about here. He’s got more character than Trump or the Huckleberry family, but let’s not get carried around here.

Haha true.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 5:45:29pm

Don’t know why Matt Mackowiak thinks smirking is a good response to getting scolded for adding to the dehumanizing language.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:45:34pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 5:45:55pm

Pressure from all corners, we need it!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 5:46:56pm

re: #336 jaunte

Don’t know why Matt Mackowiak thinks smirking is a good response to getting scolded for adding to the dehumanizing anguage.

Because dehumanizing is a good thing when it’s Those People. Didn’t you get the memo?

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2018 • 5:47:53pm
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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 5:49:28pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

Let me get out my book of Blake Fahrenthold swatches.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 17, 2018 • 5:49:29pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

The one that looks like a baby that got away with murder?

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:50:07pm
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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 5:51:09pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

White skin and neck fat make you a charter member.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 5:51:50pm

re: #344 teleskiguy

Cheeky!

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 5:54:00pm
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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:54:33pm
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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 5:54:34pm

re: #345 jaunte

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 5:55:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 5:55:52pm

Well, just as I was loggin in, the power glitched and reset my computer

We’re about to get creamed by more thunderstorms, so I may only be here a few minutes.
I will furiously read while I can.
wunderground.com (radar, crosshairs are my location)

wunderground.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 5:56:08pm

re: #342 The Ghost of a Flea

The one that looks like a baby that got away with murder?

Yeah…speaking as a fat, sweaty guy: How do these fat, sweaty Republicans wear these tight white collars without having black stains all over them?

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 5:56:14pm

Hail to the Creep

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 5:57:37pm

re: #344 teleskiguy

White skin and neck fat make you a charter member.

Hey!

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 5:58:47pm

I’ve hidden my neck fat around my equator.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 5:59:07pm
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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 5:59:25pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:00:17pm
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Skip Intro  May 17, 2018 • 6:00:44pm

re: #343 gocart mozart

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 6:01:00pm

re: #354 jaunte

A Peccary Is A Little Pig With A White Collar That Usually Hangs Around Between Texas And Paraguay.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:01:32pm

The Buzzfeed article is amazing. This guy has gotten filmed being a racist asshole A LOT.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:02:03pm
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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 6:02:35pm
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plansbandc  May 17, 2018 • 6:04:12pm

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:04:48pm

re: #357 Blind Frog Belly White

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Breitbart shirt.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:05:23pm

“So, Bill - your daughter’s hooters - are they more like your wife’s? Or your mother’s?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:06:23pm

re: #364 JordanRules

Breitbart shirt.

What a surprise. I did Nazi that coming.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 6:07:12pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 6:07:57pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 6:08:15pm

re: #363 plansbandc

That’s horrifying.

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plansbandc  May 17, 2018 • 6:08:30pm

The pic I just posted is a ball of kittens for me because of my Trump filter. :D

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 6:10:27pm

re: #360 Blind Frog Belly White

Dude is obviously emboldened with the orange sack of shit in the White House. That’s in New York City. I’d hazard to say that there are millions of such aggrieved white men out there in the United States, and a lot of them have guns and harbor violent fantasies.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 6:12:30pm

re: #364 JordanRules

Breitbart shirt.

Shows exactly where he was radicalized. I thought he might have a brain tumor, but Breitbart can have the same impact on personality.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 6:13:34pm

re: #370 plansbandc

The pic I just posted is a ball of kittens for me because of my Trump filter. :D

It got past mine, because it seems to only work on page load, rather than updates.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 6:13:34pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 6:13:42pm

re: #372 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Shows exactly where he was radicalized. I thought he might have a brain tumor, but Breitbart can have the same impact on personality.

Hey now. I know some people who had brain tumors, and unlike this dumbfuck, they have reasonably normal personalities.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:14:15pm

I think it was Target that said the concern trolls would be coming.

Oh Julia. No.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:15:50pm

re: #374 gocart mozart

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Nice of her to wish her half brother’s meemaw a Happy Birthday!

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 6:16:12pm

re: #376 JordanRules

I think it was Target that said the concern trolls would be coming.

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Tell that to the people who he harassed while they were working, Julia or the guy he assaulted two years ago.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:16:59pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

Wow, I just read through that drivel and had to reset my computer again.

Then I had to pile on with the downvotes.

Trump said exactly what he said, in the context used by people who dream about committing genocides.

That has been a feature of conservative “approaches to immigration” for a very long time.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 6:17:01pm

re: #370 plansbandc

The pic I just posted is a ball of kittens for me because of my Trump filter. :D

I hit refresh. Much better now.

Make Trump Kittens Again
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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 6:17:39pm

re: #352 jaunte

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Hail to the Creep

Trump probably thinks all fathers are as obsessed with their daughters’ looks as he is.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:19:20pm

Here comes the hail … didn’t we just go through this last Thursday?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:20:59pm

A large tree branch just came down in my backyard… .

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 6:21:29pm

This wasn’t someone who chose to be annoyed by Spanish being spoken. This is someone who lucky insulted people and threatened ICE on people speaking Spanish at their jobs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:21:56pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 6:23:40pm

re: #385 Blind Frog Belly White

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Yeah blame the Dems not the party that rubber stamped the nominations.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 6:25:15pm

re: #383 Anymouse 🌹

Meanwhile on the other side of the continental divide, it’s hot and dry and what little snowpack we have is disappearing. I’m worried about fires.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:25:42pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Yeah blame the Dems not the party that rubber stamped the nominations.

He’s getting completely reamed in the comments for the Both Sidesism of that tweet.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 17, 2018 • 6:26:02pm

Another great rant from Jim Wright:

Facebook Post

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 17, 2018 • 6:26:13pm

Drizzly and overcast here in the northeast. Going to be rainy through the weekend when I will be moving furniture.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:26:26pm

re: #385 Blind Frog Belly White

“GOP kept rules in place” pic.twitter.com

— The Cyber

Yeah, Associate Justice Merrick Garland was unavailable for comment.

I hear a train sound coming. (Fortunately, it is a train whistle.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:26:48pm

re: #387 teleskiguy

Meanwhile on the other side of the continental divide, it’s hot and dry and what little snowpack we have is disappearing. I’m worried about fires.

Yeah, and I’m expecting to spend the next couple Saturdays cutting down the weeds in my back yard before they turn flammable.

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William Lewis  May 17, 2018 • 6:27:55pm

re: #383 Anymouse 🌹

A large tree branch just came down in my backyard… .

You guys do have a basement of sorts right? You are posting from in it, right?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 6:29:45pm

re: #393 William Lewis

You guys do have a basement of sorts right? You are posting from in it, right?

Anybody in tornado country had better have one. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t required in the building codes in some places.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 6:32:04pm

re: #392 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, and I’m expecting to spend the next couple Saturdays cutting down the weeds in my back yard before they turn flammable.

It’s *scary* dry. The worst that I can remember. Snowpack is in effect water storage and I’m watching a meager snowpack go away too early. It’s a bummer all the way down, with tourism (rafting, fishing) and the Colorado River water supply which supplies water for some 40 million people.

Oh, and the fucking fires that take out whole towns. That’s got me losing sleep.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:32:32pm

Word!

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:32:46pm

re: #389 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Another great rant from Jim Wright:

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Right. Because this never occurred to climate scientists.

I really hate talking to that kind of idiot layman about Science, because they always think they, and they alone, discovered the essential variable that never occurred to all the Scientists in the field:

WHUT ABOUT THUH SUN?!? BET YOU DIDN’T THOUGH ABOUT THAT, MR. SMARTY PANTS “CLIMATE SCIENTIST”!

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Patricia Kayden  May 17, 2018 • 6:32:53pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hear “Lock him up!” and then have visions of Trump in prison.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 6:33:03pm

re: #395 teleskiguy

It’s *scary* dry. The worst that I can remember. Snowpack is in effect water storage and I’m watching a meager snowpack go away too early. It’s a bummer all the way down, with tourism (rafting, fishing) and the Colorado River water supply which supplies water for some 40 million people.

Oh, and the fucking fires that take out whole towns. That’s got me losing sleep.

In the meantime, here to your northeast, we are still dealing with high waters due to the late snowstorm that resulted in flood conditions across the Minnesota River valley. We would gladly take a dry spell right about now.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:33:31pm
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Belafon  May 17, 2018 • 6:33:32pm

re: #394 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Anybody in tornado country had better have one. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t required in the building codes in some places.

A basement here in Texas would get torn up by the ground that dries up during the summer which causes it to shift.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 6:34:10pm

re: #399 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In the meantime, here to your northeast, we are still dealing with high waters due to the late snowstorm that resulted in flood conditions across the Minnesota River valley. We would gladly take a dry spell right about now.

My dude, it is all fucked up.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 6:34:48pm

re: #401 Belafon

A basement here in Texas would get torn up by the ground that dries up during the summer which causes it to shift.

So you guys don’t even have storm cellars? I’m actually a little surprised. I mean, your reasoning makes sense, but in a wide expanse of flat ground that gets regularly ravaged by powerful tornadoes, I would have expected differently.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:34:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:34:58pm

re: #393 William Lewis

You guys do have a basement of sorts right? You are posting from in it, right?

I have a root cellar of sorts. My wife cannot get into it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 17, 2018 • 6:35:32pm

re: #400 JordanRules

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 17, 2018 • 6:36:03pm

re: #397 Blind Frog Belly White

What’s being displayed is contempt for the very premise of truth established by empiricism.

Hence why the commentators can propose multiple, completely seperate speculations and feel zero obligation to rectify their own thinking.

If the scientist can’t make them feel it’s true—and they’re heavily invested in feeling it’s not—it’s not true.

This is the rejection of the premises of science and the Enlightenment values that inform secular society and scientific thinking. On purpose.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 17, 2018 • 6:37:31pm

re: #381 goddamnedfrank

Trump probably thinks all fathers are as obsessed with their daughters’ looks as he is.

This is how my older daughter looks to the rest of the world at age 42:

This is how she looks to me:

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Cheechako  May 17, 2018 • 6:37:56pm

re: #400 JordanRules

I don’t think I would trust Giuliano to steer my boat around the rocks.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:38:30pm

re: #394 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Anybody in tornado country had better have one. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t required in the building codes in some places.

This house was built in 1914.

Codes in the village do have that, but the old houses in town don’t have basements.

What I need to do is ask someone to look at the stairs to the root cellar and see how to make them negotiable for my wife (longer staircase with rails, &c).

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 6:39:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 6:39:20pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 17, 2018 • 6:40:07pm

re: #410 Anymouse 🌹

Yes, do that. I live in the Midwest, I’m more than familiar with tornadoes. It would be good if you were prepared. The odds are remote, but hey, my folks lived in a town that got hit with an almost identical tornado separated by ~30 years. Crazy shit happens.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 6:40:39pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:42:31pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 6:42:45pm

re: #414 goddamnedfrank

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Exactly. I mean one thing if he was merely annoyed about the Spanish but nope.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 6:44:06pm
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dangerman  May 17, 2018 • 6:44:13pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

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Mrs dm and I have been getting so much please use some of ours

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 6:45:15pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 6:46:11pm

re: #397 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. Because this never occurred to climate scientists.

I really hate talking to that kind of idiot layman about Science, because they always think they, and they alone, discovered the essential variable that never occurred to all the Scientists in the field:

WHUT ABOUT THUH SUN?!? BET YOU DIDN’T THOUGH ABOUT THAT, MR. SMARTY PANTS “CLIMATE SCIENTIST”!

[

“Rockets can’t work in a vacuum” because the pressure in space (which is apparently not zero, but minus infinity) will suck all the gas out of the engine before it has time (!) to do anything. Take that NASA shills!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 6:47:41pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 6:48:40pm

this one’s for Shiplord:

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:49:04pm

re: #417 teleskiguy

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Ha, ha!!! Perfection!

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BeachDem  May 17, 2018 • 6:49:17pm

re: #389 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Another great rant from Jim Wright:

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We’ve finally found the long-lost Hoft brother!
//

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 6:49:55pm

re: #411 gocart mozart

This is starange from a few years ago
theguardian.com

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jeffreyw  May 17, 2018 • 6:50:00pm

re: #308 The Major

Boy, can Microsoft really cock-up bigtime. Their last big-arse update totally borked my network settings to the point that I couldn’t do squat and had to roll it back.

At least I was able to roll it back, thank the gods of Redmond…

was it the 1803 update that borked your networking? try this, if so :

Right click the Start button and click on Run near the bottom of the menu that shows. Type services.msc in the Run box and press enter to open the Services List. Scroll down until you find the Function Discovery Resource Publication. Set it to Automatic. Then right click and start it. That PC will now show up. (Might need a reboot) You need to do this on all computers in the Network that are running April update 1803.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:51:09pm

So, my state governor was here in the Panhandle (in Alliance) to speak to Sonny Perdue about agricultural concerns in Nebraska. Betcha he didn’t ask about Trump trying to screw up NAFTA.

What about our disaster declaration for last week’s tornado, Governor? You were here today, did you see the damage?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 6:51:18pm
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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 6:52:50pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:53:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:53:44pm

re: #417 teleskiguy

Will run as a GOP candidate in a different state like the ex-girlfriend extortionist in 5-10 (with time off for good behaviour) in three … two …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 6:54:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 6:56:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 6:57:12pm

re: #429 gocart mozart

If you’re a racist and you’re fired, it’s your fault.
If you’re a racist and you’re fired, it’s your fault.
You were spotted in the mob and you lost your fuckin’ job.
If you’re a racist and you’re fired, it’s your fault.

(Adapted from the Democratic Socialists on tiki torch mobs)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 6:57:42pm

says the woman who has neither a husband nor children…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 17, 2018 • 6:58:11pm

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

this one’s for Shiplord:

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A friend got this view of the storm as he fled flew toward Dallas. It only lasted about half an hour but it’s apparently tuning up for more right now.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 6:59:04pm

Yesss!!!

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dangerman  May 17, 2018 • 6:59:12pm

re: #167 MsJ

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I also am a pediatric donor especially for low birth weight
I’m missing the cmv antibody and im o neg
I don’t do plasma
I try to give blood every 56 days on the nose

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 6:59:21pm

re: #436 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A friend got this view of the storm as he fled flew toward Dallas. It only lasted about half and hour but it’s apparently tuning up for more right now.

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wow!

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 7:00:54pm

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

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says the woman who has neither a husband nor children…

Has she met Ann Coulter, Tomi Lahren?

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 7:01:33pm

re: #415 JordanRules

The comments at that Yahoo article was downright depressing.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 7:01:54pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 7:02:43pm

re: #442 JordanRules

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I really hate the Republican Party.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 7:02:57pm

re: #441 MsJ

The comments at that Yahoo article was downright depressing.

I know.
:(
People suck so much sometimes.

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Eventual Carrion  May 17, 2018 • 7:05:40pm

re: #163 makeitstop

8 -10,000 nationwide.

They’re a real problem here. A bunch of school kids were murdered by members here in the past couple of years.

That’s why Fatass and Sessions both personally visited Long Island to grandstand about them.

They are real, and they are nasty. My objection is that Trump uses them to paint all immigrants as murderers.

But Hells Angels are very fine people.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 7:06:25pm

Charles

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retired cynic  May 17, 2018 • 7:41:33pm

re: #310 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And may FSM help you if you’re trying to run any flavor of Windows in a virtual machine. No wonder their Azure cloud architecture runs on Linux these days…

Why I’m sticking with 7 in Parallels….

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 7:43:55pm

re: #441 MsJ

The comments at that Yahoo article was downright depressing.

Commenting sections on Yahoo’s News articles are only slightly less poisonous than YouTube comments.

This was funny:

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 7:47:42pm

re: #445 Eventual Carrion

But Hells Angels are very fine people.

The HAs have got their problems for sure.

MS 13 on Long Island took a machete to a 13 year old.

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Charles Johnson  May 17, 2018 • 7:59:48pm

re: #229 pdoggeth

We’ve got a live one here.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 8:09:44pm
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TedStriker  May 17, 2018 • 9:28:01pm

re: #426 jeffreyw

was it the 1803 update that borked your networking? try this, if so :

Man, thanks for the tip, it did the trick for me; I hadn’t been able to see my home network shares in File Explorer after the April Update (though I could still access them manually through the address bar).

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2018 • 12:43:51pm

re: #446 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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