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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 7:05:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 17, 2018 • 7:06:35pm
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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 7:08:12pm

OK, that part where Seth just keeps his mouth open and a computer voice drones on and on about Fuckface Von Clownstick’s malfeasance got me laughing so hard I now have the hiccups.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 7:14:16pm

And she tripled down. Uggh.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 7:21:04pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 7:23:44pm
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Belafon  May 17, 2018 • 7:41:56pm

re: #4 JordanRules

And she tripled down. Uggh.

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Belafon  May 17, 2018 • 7:43:53pm

If we can’t make Nazis go away, then we can make sure they go back to looking for Kyle.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 7:44:04pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 7:44:57pm

re: #4 JordanRules

And she tripled down. Uggh.

This was funny in response:

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 7:45:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 7:47:56pm

How does Ms. Ioffe feel about her publication hiring Kevin Williamson, then firing him after the outcry from liberals over his hideous abortion statements? Or the Libertarian Party’s Reason defending Williamson’s statements?

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 7:49:34pm

re: #4 JordanRules

And she tripled down. Uggh.

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Is she really so dense to forget what happened in the first place?

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 7:51:53pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 7:52:46pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Is she really so dense to forget what happened in the first place?

Maybe so. She does have drinks and take selfies with Richard Spencer after all.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 7:52:50pm

Let’s get this clear. Schlossenburg CHOSE to threaten people who were speaking Spanish at their jobs. He chose to harass that YouTuber two years ago too.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 7:52:54pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Is she really so dense to forget what happened in the first place?

She is choosing to be selectively outraged. Hence my comment above about Williamson. I wonder how Ms. Ioffe would feel if the attack was directed against her (such as Williamson) rather than others.

The only moral abortion speech is my abortion speech!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 17, 2018 • 7:53:20pm

I would think it would be against some law to follow a person into a restroom while filming them against their will.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 7:54:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 7:55:11pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I would think it would be against some law to follow a person into a restroom while filming them against their will.

In a public area, probably not (for most states). In the bathroom, there should be an expectation of privacy however.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 7:56:24pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I would think it would be against some law to follow a person into a restroom while filming them against their will.

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Yeah but it’s TG people who are perverted.

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gocart mozart  May 17, 2018 • 7:57:52pm
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whitebeach  May 17, 2018 • 7:58:06pm

re: #6 JordanRules

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[Ben Shapiro twitting]

My great-great-grandparents weren’t members of a violent and brutal gang responsible for widespread drug trafficking. Were yours? https://

Gee, I dunno, Ben, any relation to Jacob “Gurrah” Shapiro, the founding father of Murder, Inc.? Or the three Shapiro brothers who were major New York mobsters in the 1920s and 30s? Or of course maybe some of your non-Shapiro ancestors belonged to or headed some of the other notorious gangster organizations way back in the day?

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 7:58:16pm

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

In a public area, probably not (for most states). In the bathroom, there should be an expectation of privacy however.

It does sound like she was stalking her.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 7:58:53pm

re: #22 gocart mozart

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I do like how Monica hasn’t gone the RW route.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:00:28pm

re: #23 whitebeach

Gee, I dunno, Ben, any relation to Jacob “Gurrah” Shapiro, the founding father of Murder, Inc.? Or the three Shapiro brothers who were major New York mobsters in the 1920s and 30s? Or of course maybe some of your non-Shapiro ancestors belonged to or headed some of the other notorious gangster organizations way back in the day?

It’d be too damn funny if he did in fact have gangster ancestors.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:00:46pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 8:01:05pm

re: #6 JordanRules

“I would be surprised if he could remember”

Well, that’s comforting.
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:03:18pm

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Ha! I had the same thought.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:05:12pm
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petesh  May 17, 2018 • 8:06:31pm

re: #30 JordanRules

Woke Cracker Barrel is Gr-r-r-r-reat!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:06:57pm

OK, just waiting in anticipation of the Friday News Dump…

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:08:29pm
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retired cynic  May 17, 2018 • 8:08:46pm

re: #30 JordanRules

Ate at one tonight. Signs on door saying they will not tolerate any of the ‘isms, and are open to all. So, maybe woke to the sound of the cash register.

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Kragar  May 17, 2018 • 8:10:09pm
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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 8:10:15pm

Ben Shapiro makes himself ridiculous claiming credit for not having criminal great great grandparents.

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Skip Intro  May 17, 2018 • 8:10:36pm

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

Don’t forget Laura Ingraham who neither got married nor “had” any kids.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:12:42pm

Ok, my California Primary Sample ballot just showed up…27 people running for Governor and 32 for Senator.

The Nazi Republican has the first position on my ballot and Dianne Feinstein is in the last position…

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:12:46pm

Same here.

Gotta get some white boards.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:13:01pm

re: #36 jaunte

Ben Shapiro makes himself ridiculous claiming credit for not having criminal great great grandparents.

He always does look ridiculous. I feel sorry for anyone who thinks he’s a serious thinker.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:15:16pm

Shit I’m a genealogical nut and I don’t know who one of my second great grandfather was let alone his history.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 8:15:21pm

“Look at me! Before my parents were born, their parents weren’t criminals as far as I know.”

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Kragar  May 17, 2018 • 8:15:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:15:30pm

re: #36 jaunte

Ben Shapiro makes himself ridiculous claiming credit for not having criminal great great grandparents.

My great great Grandfather was the Union General defending DC during the Civil War. He was also a conductor on the Underground Railroad.

If Peter Francis Bacon were still alive he’d slap some sense into Shapiro’s empty head…

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whitebeach  May 17, 2018 • 8:16:10pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ok, my California Primary Sample ballot just showed up…27 people running for Governor and 32 for Senator.

The Nazi Republican has the first position on my ballot and Dianne Feinstein is in the last position…

And the first shall be last …

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Kragar  May 17, 2018 • 8:16:53pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ok, my California Primary Sample ballot just showed up…27 people running for Governor and 32 for Senator.

The Nazi Republican has the first position on my ballot and Dianne Feinstein is in the last position…

And only the top 2 make it to the finals

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:17:37pm

re: #42 jaunte

“Look at me! Before my parents were born, their parents weren’t criminals as far as I know.”

Their parents’ grandparents. Btw I do know for a fact my grandfather’s father made his own hooch.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 8:18:01pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Crimes change!

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:18:17pm

re: #43 Kragar

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Que shock but hey he’s the real victim here.//

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 8:18:27pm

re: #4 JordanRules

And she tripled down. Uggh.

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I think the first Tweet explaining her background and denouncing the lawyer was good. She should have stopped there.

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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 8:18:51pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:19:05pm

re: #48 jaunte

Crimes change!

Yep today he’d be a hipster in Greenpoint :).

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 8:19:20pm

I sincerely hope that the news channels don’t let this Schlossberg guy do a round of interviews in the name of ‘telling his side of the story.’

If he gets on TV, he’ll never fucking go away.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 17, 2018 • 8:20:09pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

He always does look ridiculous. I feel sorry for anyone who thinks he’s a serious thinker.

The people who do are mostly young and gullible. I just hope they grow up and see how dishonest and bigoted Shapiro is.

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whitebeach  May 17, 2018 • 8:21:20pm

re: #44 Joe Bacon 🌹

My great great Grandfather was the Union General defending DC during the Civil War. He was also a conductor on the Underground Railroad.

So you admit that your liberal Yankee ancestor was engaged in a big-time smuggling operation.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:22:31pm

re: #53 makeitstop

I sincerely hope that the news channels don’t let this Schlossberg guy do a round of interviews in the name of ‘telling his side of the story.’

If he gets on TV, he’ll never fucking go away.

I’m sure FNC is just oozing for an opportunity to make him the victim of PC run amok even though he harassed those employees at their work. His ancestors would have a word for him, putz. We’d call him a horse’s dupa.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:23:48pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The people who do are mostly young and gullible. I just hope they grow up and see how dishonest and bigoted Shapiro is.

I do too. I really do. If I never hsve to see his smug ass again, I’d be happy. He’s not intelligent nor is he offering any unique insight.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:24:11pm

re: #55 whitebeach

So you admit that your liberal Yankee ancestor was engaged in a big-time smuggling operation.

I confess!

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:25:25pm
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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:25:46pm

re: #58 Joe Bacon 🌹

I confess!

It’s okay Joe. Second Great Grandpa Schmittdiel helped steal Southern “property” during the war.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:27:45pm
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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 8:28:38pm

re: #59 JordanRules

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Slightly paranoid question: did Mnuchin authorize the restricting?

Does Mueller have them, or is he restricted from seeing them, too?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:29:09pm

re: #22 gocart mozart

And the Dumpster fire of Conservaderp (tm) on that thread … instantly deflect to Monica Lewinsky (away from Owens) and go straight for the personal attacks while defending the Cat-Grabber-in-Chief.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:30:51pm

re: #62 makeitstop

Slightly paranoid question: did Mnuchin authorize the restricting?

Does Mueller have them, or is he restricted from seeing them, too?

I don’t know but I imagine at some point soon we will find out.
Hopefully.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 8:30:59pm
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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 8:32:27pm
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majii  May 17, 2018 • 8:32:30pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior ”re: #20 Anymouse 🌹 In a public area, probably not (for most states). In the bathroom, there should be an expectation of privacy however.

It does sound like she was stalking her.”

TBH, having a guy in the same bathroom in the next locked stall wouldn’t bother me at all, whether trans or not. I guess I’m sort of quirky because the only thing I’d think is that he had to use the bathroom the same as I and maybe couldn’t access the men’s bathroom. I’m not really very close-minded, and as long as another person leaves me alone, I’m good to go. I really did learn a lot about how to treat persons that are different from myself when I was growing up under Jim Crow in GA.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:33:59pm

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

Like Meghan McCain?

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:34:55pm

re: #67 majii

“re: #20 Anymouse 🌹 In a public area, probably not (for most states). In the bathroom, there should be an expectation of privacy however.

It does sound like she was stalking her.”

TBH, having a guy in the same bathroom in the next locked stall wouldn’t bother me at all, whether trans or not. I guess I’m sort of quirky because the only thing I’d think is that he had to use the bathroom the same as I and maybe couldn’t access the men’s bathroom. I’m not really very close-minded, and as long as another person leaves me alone, I’m good to go. I really did learn a lot about how to treat persons that are different from myself when I was growing up under Jim Crow in GA.

Same here. Many newer nightclubs have fancy co-ed restrooms now and it’s no big deal at all.

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petesh  May 17, 2018 • 8:37:26pm

re: #62 makeitstop

Slightly paranoid question: did Mnuchin authorize the restricting?

Does Mueller have them, or is he restricted from seeing them, too?

1. I hope so, and I hope the little shit goes down for obstruction.

2. He will, if he doesn’t already.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:37:53pm

re: #67 majii

”re: #20 Anymouse 🌹 In a public area, probably not (for most states). In the bathroom, there should be an expectation of privacy however.

It does sound like she was stalking her.”

TBH, having a guy in the same bathroom in the next locked stall wouldn’t bother me at all, whether trans or not. I guess I’m sort of quirky because the only thing I’d think is that he had to use the bathroom the same as I and maybe couldn’t access the men’s bathroom. I’m not really very close-minded, and as long as another person leaves me alone, I’m good to go. I really did learn a lot about how to treat persons that are different from myself when I was growing up under Jim Crow in GA.

Yeah. And here’s the thing. They always target trans women. Always. They don’t tell trans men they should use the women’s room. TBH I don’t pay attention to who is using the bathroom. This crap is all about the right finding a new scapegoat after losing the SSM battle.

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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2018 • 8:38:17pm

re: #5 gocart mozart

My great-great-grandparents weren’t members of a violent and brutal gang responsible for widespread drug trafficking. Were yours?

I wouldn’t be too sure about that, Ben.

A century ago a lot of Jews lived in slums (because the Christians forced them to) and kept away from employment. So they went into organized crime because it was profitable and about all they could do. I wouldn’t be surprised to find your great, great grandparents might have been less than honest.

But even they’d ashamed of what a suppurating asshole you’ve become.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:39:35pm
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jaunte  May 17, 2018 • 8:41:00pm

re: #73 JordanRules

Trump will gladly have a witness killed if he can manage it.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:42:13pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Yeah. And here’s the thing. They always target trans women. Always. They don’t tell trans men they should use the women’s room. TBH I don’t pay attention to who is using the bathroom. This crap is all about the right finding a new scapegoat after losing the SSM battle.

Yup. It’s almost as if they have something against women, not transgender people.

It’s something like the Dixiecrat Fallacy (the Dems started the Klan, &c).

Long ago, gender and sex were largely considered the same thing. As more medical and social science research came in, they were discovered to be largely independent of each other.

Conservatives (being those folks standing athwart history yelling stop) didn’t change their thinking as the scientific data improved (being also anti-science).

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stpaulbear  May 17, 2018 • 8:45:14pm

Via Balloon Juice

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:45:46pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:47:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 8:48:05pm

Just when I thought it was safe, another line of thunderstorms are coming at us across the county line to the south.

Batten down the hatches (again). Our Internet service has been up and down all night.

Last Thursday, we tested the tornado siren, then had a tornado later in the day.

Today, we tested the tornado siren …

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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 8:48:52pm

re: #78 JordanRules

The most diehard Trumpers, the group who will go down with him, are the religious right. Trump knows this, and is doing whatever he can to keep these marks.

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mmmirele  May 17, 2018 • 8:50:23pm

re: #4 JordanRules

And she tripled down. Uggh.

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And Julia Ioffe is getting predictably and justifiably dragged. She’s obviously never had to worry about being deported for speaking her native language. Seriously, lady, just shut up.

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 8:51:47pm

Well, I feel safer. Read this thread.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:52:16pm

re: #81 mmmirele

And Julia Ioffe is getting predictably and justifiably dragged. She’s obviously never had to worry about being deported for speaking her native language. Seriously, lady, just shut up.

While at work no less.

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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2018 • 8:52:33pm

re: #53 makeitstop

I sincerely hope that the news channels don’t let this Schlossberg guy do a round of interviews in the name of ‘telling his side of the story.’

If he gets on TV, he’ll never fucking go away.

One of my ancestors is Henry Morgan, one of the world’s great pirates

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stpaulbear  May 17, 2018 • 8:53:37pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

Just when I thought it was safe, another line of thunderstorms are coming at us across the county line to the south.

Batten down the hatches (again). Our Internet service has been up and down all night.

Last Thursday, we tested the tornado siren, then had a tornado later in the day.

Today, we tested the tornado siren …

I thought that we were supposed to get some of your weather here but it’s shooting straight north in to the Dakotas and then the NW corner of MN. We’ve had perfect weather for scooter riding all week (of course, it’s going to rain on the weekend).

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 8:53:55pm

re: #84 Romantic Heretic

One of my ancestors is Henry Morgan, one of the world’s great pirates

Cousin, G-Grandfather, Uncle?

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:53:57pm

A better Kent State moment.

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makeitstop  May 17, 2018 • 8:54:21pm

The torrent of news stories about Trussia are dropping faster and with more detail these days. It makes me wonder if the intelligence community is slowly making their move.

Trump thinks he can control the media, but the shit is starting to pile up faster than he can shovel it at this point. He should be very careful about what he says, but he probably won’t.

He’s stressed and furious and primed to make the mistake of his life.

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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 8:56:56pm

re: #88 makeitstop

May I suggest that every community is making their move?

It’s pretty clear now that Trump’s allies in Congress are willing to destroy the rule of law for the sake of power. (That power is so the rich can get richer, and that an atavistic theocratic form of government can be put in place.)

Any American who values the rule of law and democracy should be moving against Trump right now.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 8:57:10pm

re: #87 JordanRules

A better Kent State moment.

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One of the most underappreciated actors, IMO. (And the best Batman. Come at me, Bro!)

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:57:26pm

re: #88 makeitstop

The torrent of news stories about Trussia are dropping faster and with more detail these days. It makes me wonder if the intelligence community is slowly making their move.

Trump thinks he can control the media, but the shit is starting to pile up faster than he can shovel it at this point. He should be very careful about what he says, but he probably won’t.

He’s stressed and furious and primed to make the mistake of his life.

I feel like I’m seeing more trolls and bots in Trussia thread replies too. It quieted down for a bit and now they are spewing the talking points everywhere again.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 8:59:00pm

re: #90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

One of the most underappreciated actors, IMO. (And the best Batman. Come at me, Bro!)

If I can’t subliminally start a best Batman debate with that post then I’m a failure!

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Dr Lizardo  May 17, 2018 • 8:59:20pm

re: #90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

One of the most underappreciated actors, IMO. (And the best Batman. Come at me, Bro!)

Another somewhat underappreciated actor is Josh Brolin. He’s a top-notch, rock-solid actor. He pretty much single-handedly saved Men in Black III.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 9:00:30pm

re: #92 JordanRules

If I can’t subliminally start a best Batman debate with that post then I’m a failure!

Just so we don’t start a “Best Star Trek captain” debate—I’d get burned at the stake on that one.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 9:02:36pm

re: #94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Just so we don’t start a “Best Star Trek captain” debate—I’d get burned at the stake on that one.

Really? Ya don’t say??
*takes notes to use against you at a later date*

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 9:03:41pm

re: #89 freetoken

May I suggest that every community is making their move?

It’s pretty clear now that Trump’s allies in Congress are willing to destroy the rule of law for the sake of power. (That power is so the rich can get richer, and that an atavistic theocratic form of government can be put in place.)

Any American who values the rule of law and democracy should be moving against Trump right now.

I’m not sure there new CIA director of on the side of America.

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 9:04:26pm

re: #91 JordanRules

I feel like I’m seeing more trolls and bots in Trussia thread replies too. It quieted down for a bit and now they are spewing the talking points everywhere again.

It was almost all pro trump comments in that Yahoo article you posted.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 9:04:46pm

Here it comes, two thunderstorm warnings over my town at the same time… .

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Unshaken Defiance  May 17, 2018 • 9:05:01pm

Pffft. Who is the best Bruce Wayne?

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 9:05:05pm

re: #93 Dr Lizardo

Another somewhat underappreciated actor is Josh Brolin. He’s a top-notch, rock-solid actor. He pretty much single-handedly saved Men in Black III.

I can’t stand him. He cheated on Diane Lane.

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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2018 • 9:06:08pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

So far back I’m not sure what word to use.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 9:07:16pm

re: #101 Romantic Heretic

So far back I’m not sure what word to use.

Ah gotcha.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 9:07:24pm

re: #97 MsJ

It was almost all pro trump comments in that Yahoo article you posted.

Oh yeah! When we were talking about that earlier I meant to remind folks that Russia started there and in other web comment sections years ago, before the social media.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 9:08:06pm

re: #97 MsJ

It was almost all pro trump comments in that Yahoo article you posted.

Yahoo comments have always been a cesspool. People talk about YouTube comments, but there are categories there that are fine. Comments on songs I’ve found civil and frequently educational, for example. Yahoo is 100% crap.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 9:08:12pm

re: #90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

One of the most underappreciated actors, IMO. (And the best Batman. Come at me, Bro!)

You ain’t wrong. I like his version better than Bale’s.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 9:08:33pm

re: #96 MsJ

I’m not sure there new CIA director of on the side of America.

Totally agree. I really don’t know and that’s sad and scary.

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Romantic Heretic  May 17, 2018 • 9:08:59pm

re: #96 MsJ

I’m not sure there new CIA director of on the side of America.

I’m wondering if she’ll rename Langley Lefortovo Prison.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 9:09:28pm

At 944 PM MDT, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from near Dalton to near Dix, moving northeast at 10 mph.

HAZARD…60 mph wind gusts and quarter size hail.

SOURCE…Radar indicated.

IMPACT…Hail damage to vehicles is expected. Expect wind damage to
roofs, siding, and trees.

These severe storms will be near…
Dalton around 1005 PM MDT.

Other locations impacted by these severe thunderstorms include
Broadwater.

This includes Interstate 80 in Nebraska between mile markers 29 and
45.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 9:11:46pm

re: #107 Romantic Heretic

I’m wondering if she’ll rename Langley Lefortovo Prison.

Lyublyanka.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 9:11:54pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

You ain’t wrong. I like his version better than Bale’s.

I love TDK movies but that Bale voice is not for me. It makes me alternately annoyed and giggly.

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Belafon  May 17, 2018 • 9:13:33pm

re: #59 JordanRules

I bet they suddenly became unmissing.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 9:14:05pm

re: #104 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yahoo comments have always been a cesspool. People talk about YouTube comments, but there are categories there that are fine. Comments on songs I’ve found civil and frequently educational, for example. Yahoo is 100% crap.

ESPN can be pretty bad too. The MSU women getting the Arthur Ashe courage award turned into sexist rape victim blaming and transphobic bs at Caitlyn Jenner.

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Kragar  May 17, 2018 • 9:14:55pm

re: #94 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Just so we don’t start a “Best Star Trek captain” debate—I’d get burned at the stake on that one.

George Kirk

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 9:15:18pm

re: #103 JordanRules

Oh yeah! When we were talking about that earlier I meant to remind folks that Russia started there and in other web comment sections years ago, before the social media.

It was all pro trump before the election. Then the last few articles I read at Yahoo there were no pro trump people. Now it’s all trump again.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 9:15:56pm

re: #110 JordanRules

I love TDK movies but that Bale voice is not for me. It makes me alternately annoyed and giggly.

I also like Nicholson’s Joker more too. I love Nolan as a director but the Burton Batman movies are why I grew up with and besides MIke is a Pittsburgh guy who unlike Bale isn’t a jerk.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 17, 2018 • 9:16:33pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

You ain’t wrong. I like his version better than Bale’s.

It’s a fine line. You can’t take the whole thing too seriously, or make it ridiculous like the ’60s TV show. I think Keaton hit the balance best.

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 9:17:50pm

re: #116 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

It’s a fine line. You can’t take the whole thing too seriously, or make it ridiculous like the ’60s TV show. I think Keaton hit the balance best.

Precisely.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 9:18:06pm

re: #77 JordanRules

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LOL! An homage to Goya’s Saturn Devouring his Son.

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Interesting Times  May 17, 2018 • 9:18:43pm

re: #106 JordanRules

Totally agree. I really don’t know and that’s sad and scary.

I’m trying to console myself by thinking that, horrible as she is, it’s a “better the devil you know” scenario (which was why some Dems voted to confirm - they figured she’d put loyalty to the CIA over loyalty to Cheeto Benito, and that lower-than-a-worm’s-belt-buckle bar is the most we can expect to clear at this point :/ )

Another consideration - Haspel considered withdrawing at one point due to all the negative attention on her past record. If nothing else, it could indicate a modicum of shame sorely lacking in other Orange Foolius appointees…

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HappyWarrior  May 17, 2018 • 9:21:23pm

Controversial opinion but the Ledger joker is good but not great and his premature death played a role in hyping it. Sorry to sound heartless. He wasn’t bad but it’s not one of the best performances ever.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 9:22:29pm

We’re about to get creamed. You lucky devils, I’ll either lose my Internet service or have to go soon.

They extended the thunderstorm warnings well past my town, and added a flood warning. Half of Cheyenne County (the next to the south) is covered by a massive supercell that extends into my county and south into Colorado.

I blame Sterling. They are throwing all this crap at us.

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Dr Lizardo  May 17, 2018 • 9:25:11pm

Okeydokey. Off to work. Later, Lizards.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 9:25:58pm

re: #119 Interesting Times

I’m trying to console myself by thinking that, horrible as she is, it’s a “better the devil you know” scenario (which was why some Dems voted to confirm - they figured she’d put loyalty to the CIA over loyalty to Cheeto Benito, and that lower-than-a-worm’s-belt-buckle bar is the most we can expect to clear at this point :/ )

Another consideration - Haspel considered withdrawing at one point due to all the negative attention on her past record. If nothing else, it could indicate a modicum of shame sorely lacking in other Orange Foolius appointees…

I don’t buy that argument myself but I understand it’s a possible reason and one that many folks think is most likely. It’s just shitty all around.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 9:30:36pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 9:31:38pm
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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 9:34:51pm

re: #124 JordanRules

Hurry up and ship those brown people out.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 9:35:09pm

Holy crap, this is a horrible story. The child in question was kidnapped and taken to a place where three other African-Americans had already been murdered.

Just Some Domestic Terrorists Kidnapping Little Black Boys And Maybe Murdering Some Other Folks Is All (Wonkette, more at the link):

Houston, we have a problem!!! And unfortunately for black people, it’s the same problem we have been dealing with since Reconstruction, when some “very fine people” decided that lynching black people would keep them from getting too uppity.

Recently, 13-year-old Houston resident Zavion Parker found himself in a situation that mothers of young black men have feared since long before Mamie Till forced the nation to view the body of her son Emmett in an open casket. Zavion says he was taken captive by a group of young white men who were intent on doing to him what had been done to so many others before: murdering him. Perhaps they thought Zavion was being “uppity” or “arrogant” when he stepped off of his school bus, or maybe they were just racist bastards who are too dangerous to be walking the streets. So, in Trump lingo, they were some “very fine people,” aka Nazis.

When her sixth grader did not show up home after school, Michelle Lee was understandably concerned and she contacted authorities. Hours later, her son turned up with torn clothes and scratches, and was missing his phone, coat, shoes, and keys. As far as Zavion and his mother are concerned, he is lucky to be alive. The story he tells is a chilling reminder of the sordid history of anti-black violence in our nation. It’s a tale of racist tattoos, kidnapping, assault, threats, terrorism, and possibly murder. So, it’s a classic American Tale. And we have barely scratched the surface.

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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 9:37:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 9:39:12pm

Hail starting to come down … more storms have formed just outside town …

wunderground.com

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 17, 2018 • 9:49:33pm

Heath Ledger’s Joker was Tom Waits as the Joker, and therefore a great Joker.

Jack Nicholson’s Joker was Jack Nicholson with extra Jack Nicholson…which was super entertaining and great but not as good as Tom Waits as Joker.

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 9:50:11pm

re: #128 JordanRules

Humanity is fucked.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 9:50:58pm

Now La Grange, Wyo. is throwing thunderstorms at us too.

Why do Colorado and Wyoming hate us? What’d we do?

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MsJ  May 17, 2018 • 9:52:41pm
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BlueSpotinAL  May 17, 2018 • 9:58:24pm

re: #133 MsJ

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Alternative headline - Mueller describes what he saw in Stormy Daniel’s video of encounter with Trump.

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wheat-dogg  May 17, 2018 • 10:00:54pm

Even after living in China for 10 years, images like this one still blow me away.

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Amory Blaine  May 17, 2018 • 10:02:29pm
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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 10:03:56pm

re: #135 wheat-dogg

Yet another doomed megalopolis. Sea level rise will be catastrophic to that part of China.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 10:12:05pm

re: #113 Kragar

George Kirk

Alternate timeline, it doesn’t count!

//

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wheat-dogg  May 17, 2018 • 10:13:28pm

re: #137 freetoken

Yet another doomed megalopolis. Sea level rise will be catastrophic to that part of China.

Oh, yeah. Shanghai sits at the mouth of a river. They’ll need to build dikes to keep things dry, and spend millions keeping the subways pumped dry.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 10:15:50pm

re: #130 The Ghost of a Flea

Heath Ledger’s Joker was Tom Waits as the Joker, and therefore a great Joker.

Jack Nicholson’s Joker was Jack Nicholson with extra Jack Nicholson…which was super entertaining and great but not as good as Tom Waits as Joker.

It helped somehow that Ledger’s Joker had no real backstory except the unreliable one about how he got his scars that he narrated to Gambol. Like the Scorpio killer in the original Dirty Harry the Joker is one of the rare villains that is actually more compelling and works better when the audience isn’t handed some reason for why he is the way he is. It’s like we don’t want to know what creates a pure psychopath because such characters inherently exist outside reason and any explanation inevitably comes off as comically contrived, like Nicholson falling into a chemical bath.

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Targetpractice  May 17, 2018 • 10:19:00pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

It helped somehow that Ledger’s Joker had no real backstory except the unreliable one about how he got his scars that he narrated to Gambol. Like the Scorpio killer in the original Dirty Harry the Joker is one of the rare villains that is actually more compelling and works better when the audience isn’t handed some reason for why he is the way he is. It’s like we don’t want to know what creates a pure psychopath because such characters inherently exist outside reason and any explanation inevitably comes off as comically contrived, like Nicholson falling into a chemical bath.

It also helps that the character has so many different backstories in the comics that DC’s take these days is “The narrator is so unreliable that you can just pick one and it’ll work for the story being written.”

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Kragar  May 17, 2018 • 10:20:25pm
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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 10:21:27pm

re: #139 wheat-dogg

Dikes won’t work. As you note, the large river that flows out will need to go somewhere. Dikes can contain a river, but they will not contain the sea.

I know people like to throw up Holland as an example of land below sea level, but in reality it’s a small country and only a relatively small amount of land needs to be protected from the sea flooding in.

In Eastern China, it’s a thousand kilometers of shoreline and millions upon millions of acres.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 10:23:42pm

LOL a GoFundMe to raise $500 to hire a mariachi band and a taco truck to park outside the racist lawyer’s office has raised over $1,000.

gofundme.com

He’s also been evicted from his office by his landlord.

rawstory.com

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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 10:23:45pm

In another sign of the idiocracy, PBS is shutting down its digital show about math, “Infinite Series”:

The End of An Infinite Series

Apparently not enough people are interested in math topics.

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Teukka  May 17, 2018 • 10:26:32pm

re: #43 Kragar

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My surprised face, etc etc etc

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wheat-dogg  May 17, 2018 • 10:27:01pm

re: #143 freetoken

Dikes won’t work. As you note, the large river that flows out will need to go somewhere. Dikes can contain a river, but they will not contain the sea.

I know people like to throw up Holland as an example of land below sea level, but in reality it’s a small country and only a relatively small amount of land needs to be protected from the sea flooding in.

In Eastern China, it’s a thousand kilometers of shoreline and millions upon millions of acres of acres.

Xiamen, Guangzhou, Shenzhen and Hong Kong are further examples. Somehow I suspect the technocrats in China’s government have some kind of plan for dealing with rising sea levels, though. Unlike American government officials, they don’t bury their heads in the sand when it comes to climate change. China’s been dealing with flooding for millennia.

On the other hand, encouraging rapid urban growth in areas that will likely be underwater in 50 to 100 years does seem unwise.

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wheat-dogg  May 17, 2018 • 10:28:44pm

re: #145 freetoken

In another sign of the idiocracy, PBS is shutting down its digital show about math, “Infinite Series”:

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Apparently not enough people are interested in math topics.

Obviously it was a converging series.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 10:31:17pm

Heath Ledger’s Joker is one of the most haunting gorgeous acting things that was acted, IMHO.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 10:31:32pm

Woman Nervously Reaches For Cell Phone As Suspicious Black Man Tells Her Today’s Soup Is Minestrone (The Onion)

SACRAMENTO, CA—Claiming she had been keeping a cautious eye on him from the moment she sat down, local woman Rebecca Marinelli confirmed Thursday that she anxiously reached for her cell phone after a suspicious-looking black man told her the soup of the day was minestrone. “I just didn’t like the look of him, lurking around in that apron, and then he came right up to me, pulling out a pad of paper and asking if I would like anything to drink,” said Marinelli, who reportedly exchanged nervous glances with her friend across the table and quietly dialed 911 after seeing the strange man go up to people at another table and ask them for money. “I have no idea why he’s here. He isn’t buying anything. God, my heart was in my throat when he came over here and asked if he could refill my water. I even tried to take a video on my phone for the police, but it was too hard to see his face behind the trays of food he was carrying.” At press time, sources reported that police arriving on the scene had pulled their firearms and slammed the suspect onto a table after he produced a threatening packet of oyster crackers.

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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 10:34:23pm

I hit a milestone with the karma!!!

One two six one two six. That’s something!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 10:41:20pm

The libertarians at Reason Magaine are touting a survey (which they call a study in conflation of terms) to show universities have a “liberal bias” because 2 of 5 Liberal Arts colleges have no self-reported Republicans.

reason.com

Considering Republicans are generally opposed to Liberal Arts (Humanities, Fine Art, Music, History, &c) as an education path, it would not surprise me if there was a dearth of Republicans at Liberal Arts colleges.

You know, Libertarians, sometimes it isn’t a big conspiracy, sometimes it’s self-selection or a spurious correlation, just sayin’.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 10:42:30pm
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Kragar  May 17, 2018 • 10:48:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 10:50:23pm

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹

Woman Nervously Reaches For Cell Phone As Suspicious Black Man Tells Her Today’s Soup Is Minestrone (The Onion)

If you took away the Onion reference it sounds like something that would really happen!

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TedStriker  May 17, 2018 • 10:56:45pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

Heath Ledger’s Joker is one of the most haunting gorgeous acting things that was acted, IMHO.

I agree, but it also helped to kill him.

Helluva swansong…

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 10:57:51pm
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freetoken  May 17, 2018 • 10:58:16pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

“Reason Magazine” has always been a self-parodying title of a publication.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 11:06:38pm
The City of Hamilton [Ontario] has forced a local anarchist group to remove the circle A anarchy symbol from its headquarters, saying it is “hate material” similar to the swastika.

City officials say they’re taking direction from Hamilton police on the issue, but police say that’s not the case.

Whatever its origins, the move is a “very controversial interpretation of hate speech,” said Margaret Kohn, a professor of political science and expert in urban social justice issues at the University of Toronto’s Scarborough campus.

“This seems like a constitutional lawsuit waiting to happen,” she said.

(more)

cbc.ca

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 11:07:18pm

Another round of thunderstorms and hail …

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Ace-o-aces  May 17, 2018 • 11:09:23pm
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Amory Blaine  May 17, 2018 • 11:15:06pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 11:19:04pm
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JordanRules  May 17, 2018 • 11:28:18pm
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Amory Blaine  May 17, 2018 • 11:33:35pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 11:33:40pm

nbcnews.com

Discussion of cases of child abuse/murder in California surrounding homeschooling.

The problem being religions and conservatives crying “excessive government overreach” when the state government wishes to exercise even minimal monitoring of homeschoolers.

Are all homeschoolers like this? Certainly not. Is the system ripe for abuse without regulations? Certainly so.

The article also discusses Connecticut, where child and family services conducted surveys of homeschooling parents. One-third removed their children from schools after cases of child abuse.

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Amory Blaine  May 17, 2018 • 11:37:28pm

This is my new favorite video

Jigsaw - Sky High [HQ]

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 11:37:38pm

I’m surprised I still have electricity and Internet service as another round of thunderstorms comes into town.

Bwahahahaha …

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 11:44:59pm

Alex Jones being weirdly specific.

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goddamnedfrank  May 17, 2018 • 11:48:13pm
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teleskiguy  May 17, 2018 • 11:48:37pm

Power was out for about a half hour. Then this happened.

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Amory Blaine  May 17, 2018 • 11:51:38pm

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

That’s how he talks about the mother of his children. No class.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 17, 2018 • 11:54:53pm

Since this is my safe space, I’m going to say that I feel completely alienated from the current progressive flourishing because they keep conjuring with kiddie-pool Marxism.

Marxism is fucking dumb, even if Marx did a good job describing what was happening in cities in his time. It starts with sciencefail—“societies evolve like animals, but not really”—and ends with Marx inventing shit like “lumpenproletariat” to handwave why people don’t act they way he says they should according to his dialectic.

Furthermore, you can critique Marxism by contrasting the theory with it’s applied derivatives—Leninism and Maoism—and how fucked up states that operated under them were. There is a basic bad premise…the same bad premise that fucks up a lot of Western philosophers…that people are homogeneous actors, such that you can invent an idea like “the single-party state run by the workers,” and the “workers” is a meaningful, generalizable grouping of individuals such that axiomatically a “worker’s party” couldn’t turn out to be full of venal shitgibbons and the occasional fucking monster or three.

I’ve read Lenin, god help me. It fucking poleaxes me that Yanks fucking put him and Marx on the same podium, when all his Pravda writing was “well Marx has a point, but these fucking peasants are fucking stupid so we won’t count them as workers and we’ll making all the fucking decisions for these hayseed twats that don’t wipe their asses. Vanguardism is totally different from, you know, other oligarchies because…squirrel!…and fuck you for implying I might be some kind of megalomaniac.” Giant flashing alarm lights this dude was going to pogrom somebody, because he sure as fuck wasn’t going to admit he was wrong.

Idiots.

And I’m especially sick of the square-peg-in-round-hole hot takes where progressives project their notions of class onto Trump supporters because they buy into the idea that “working white people” is a meaningful grouping in the way that “workers” is…which is an incredibly privileged—and, yes, white nonsense—that ignores the long history in this country (and Europe) of power structures that aren’t class superceding the interests of class, such that people who should be fired up about the class struggle are focused on supporting the status quo. Because it’s convenient to their shallow analytical level, lumpenproletariat reactionaries (a la 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon) are stupid dupes with no agency, not people making an active choice to value immaterial power dynamics—feeling superior to brown people/chicks/that trash family two streets over—over practical solutions that would help them, but also render them equal to the despised Other.

False consciousness is a fucking copout. The phlogiston of social scientific analysis.

And it’s especially stupid in the current situation, where the “texts” that inform the Trumpian thoughtworld and readily available and completely contradict their premises and analysis. To believe what they believe, they have to ignore the emotional tone, the incoherence of agenda, and the straight-from-the-source statements of the people they’re claiming to speak for.

I’ve been living in Trumpland for twenty fucking years. Their basic operating premise is that they are a priori deserving and others—the bad types of people—are axiomatically undeserving. As such, any policy that lifts all boats in injustice and theft. Which is why they would rather burn things down than improve things generally.

Which is why amorphous “winning” by owning the libs and pretending everything Trump does is a triumph is better than competent governance. Which is why practical measures of governance and foreign relations have been discarded for symbolic displays of dominance. Which is why a constant string of Twitter abuse by the POTUS is lagniappe.

I want to be supportive because I’m theoretical of the same ideological bent, but this is ridiculous. It’s the same kind of own-goaling, smug blindness that’s bit European Marxists in the ass for a century and a half: they insist reality works how they say, not matter what’s actually happening, fail epically, then go explain away that failure as society gets even fucking worse.

Also, why the fuck don’t these people actually read shit they’re invoking? Or getting up to date with the (much better, much more relevant) post-Marxists?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 17, 2018 • 11:56:03pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

Power was out for about a half hour. Then this happened.

I don’t have Twitter. I’m screwed.

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Scout  May 17, 2018 • 11:57:30pm

It just occurred to me there hasn’t been a single solitary leak out of Camp Mueller. If I’m right and that’s the case, it’s really quite astounding.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2018 • 12:00:17am

re: #176 Scout

It just occurred to me there hasn’t been a single solitary leak out of Camp Mueller. If I’m right and that’s the case, it’s really quite astounding.

I commented on this last year.

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Scout  May 18, 2018 • 12:03:41am

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

I commented on this last year.

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Yeah, and that was what, five months ago?

Impressive.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 12:07:20am

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea

What the neo-marxists (for lack of a better term) seem to be ignoring is what Marx himself lacked - the discoveries of anthropologists.

And even more so, the discovery of archeologists and why civilizations began in the first place.

There is also a strain of self-described “progressives” who are really just bandwagoning - they don’t really have deeply thought out beliefs, but are trying to ride some contemporary train.

This is something that I think, again, is so lacking in contemporary American public dialogue - real discussions over ideas. Instead, we are left with Twitter.

The challenge for all of humanity is how do we manage our possession - this planet - so that everyone can have some benefit of it and even more so that there can be a future for many generations of humans.

This will have to involve some sort of evolution in the idea of private property. Not to abolish it (as the most radical of marxists may dream), but to understand it and accept the full consequences of it.

I believe that the idea of private property has to be cast strongly in the light of stewardship. To “own” something means to be the steward of it. This ought to limit the actions one can take.

This belief is the basis of strong regulations regarding things like pollution and land management.

Ideology is necessary, but it can’t be from a locked up ivory tower but needs to be practiced in the real world.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 12:09:11am

If you’re a “democratic socialist” and you’re shit-talking by evoking a philosopher who proposed a one-party dictatorship, maybe should realize that you stupid, not edgy.

If you’re a “democratic socialist” and you’re shit-talking by evoking Soviet imagery, maybe you should just eat a copy of Что делать? because you have missing all the fucking points.

You are the equivalent of the douche that drops single-sentence Nietzsche snippets to sound iconoclastic.

PS. Trotsky was a war criminal and the USSR immediately became a colonial power when it recaptured all the conquered Tsarist regions that declared independence during the Revolution. Quit being tossers.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 12:15:18am

re: #180 The Ghost of a Flea

What specifically makes Leon Trotsky a “war criminal?” (Not trying to troll here, trying to fill a gap in my knowledge if there is one.)

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Kragar  May 18, 2018 • 12:19:15am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹

What specifically makes Leon Trotsky a “war criminal?” (Not trying to troll here, trying to fill a gap in my knowledge if there is one.)

He had thousands of civilians executed for being loyal to the opposition.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 12:21:07am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹

During the Russian Civil War, the Reds engaged in punitive actions versus civilians if they were perceived as supporting the Tsarists (the White Guard), or any of the breakaway governments. Trotsky was a part of that as a military commander. The campaigns against non-Slavs, like in the Caucuses, were particularly ugly.

Admittedly, I’m engaged in hyperbole because I’m a bit tired out. I’ve got specific people who are dropping this kind of edgelord progressive shit on me, and it’s just a waste of air talking to them seriously. Hence unloading here, where you guys know I’m unloading and not being a bit over the top.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 12:24:29am

On the list of 20th century monsters, Trotsky is pretty far down on the list, though he does make the list.

Still, the uncomfortable reality of marxist revolutions was so well parodied by George Orwell that I think the obvious is obvious by now.

Except those who don’t want to accept it.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 12:25:19am

re: #182 Kragar

He had thousands of civilians executed for being loyal to the opposition.

Reading through Wikipedia’s article [citation needed], I can’t find that. Perhaps you can point me to a Website that documents that?

While not trying to apologise for what Trotsky might have done in this assertion, I would note the concept of “war crime” did not yet exist. Through WW2 armies always used attacks on civilians to create terror, drive refugees to cause confusion to an opponent, disrupt the enemy rear, &c. (The worst instances of attacking civilians would be Nanking by the Japanese, Dresden by the Allies, and atomic weapons on Japan by the United States).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 12:31:08am

re: #33 JordanRules

A Top Adviser to the South Korean President Wants to ‘Get Rid Of’ the U.S. Alliance

Every nation currently “allied” with the US is reconsidering its options right now.

Just because they want also want to help make America Great by ridding it of foreign commitments, obligations and complications.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 12:32:14am

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Shit I’m a genealogical nut and I don’t know who one of my second great grandfather was let alone his history.

I know where my grandparents came from, cannot go back beyond that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 12:33:28am

re: #55 whitebeach

So you admit that your liberal Yankee ancestor was engaged in a big-time smuggling operation.

depriving hard-working white people of their legally owned property

/

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Kragar  May 18, 2018 • 12:37:05am

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹

Reading through Wikipedia’s article [citation needed], I can’t find that. Perhaps you can point me to a Website that documents that?

While not trying to apologise for what Trotsky might have done in this assertion, I would note the concept of “war crime” did not yet exist. Through WW2 armies always used attacks on civilians to create terror, drive refugees to cause confusion to an opponent, disrupt the enemy rear, &c. (The worst instances of attacking civilians would be Nanking by the Japanese, Dresden by the Allies, and atomic weapons on Japan by the United States).

During the Russian Civil War, Trotsky served as People’s Commissars for Military and Naval Affairs, from 1917 to 1925, which would later evolve into the Minister of Defense.

At the time, this office oversaw the organization of purges against people considered to be enemies of the state.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 12:37:30am

re: #74 jaunte

Trump will gladly have a witness killed if he can manage it.

he should just shoot the witness himself, he can do it in public an get away with it…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 12:37:37am

The storms are passing to our east and south.

Tomorrow the National Weather Service has us scheduled for severe thunderstorms. Today it was only thunderstorms. Oh joy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 12:38:33am

re: #189 Kragar

During the Russian Civil War, Trotsky served as People’s Commissars for Military and Naval Affairs, from 1917 to 1925, which would later evolve into the Minister of Defense.

At the time, this office oversaw the organization of purges against people considered to be enemies of the state.

Thanks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 12:39:04am

re: #78 JordanRules

Trump is reportedly planning to announce tomorrow that he’s cutting federal funding to any health agency that even provides information about abortion or where to get one.

Fundamentalist Christians were among the biggest winners in 2016. Their agenda is falling into place, and soon we the SCOTUS will take on Roe vs Wade.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 12:40:58am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹

The Red Terror

This is post-WW1; there was some standards in general about treatment of civilians.

But what really stands out is the contrast of what the Bolsheviks claimed to be (for “the people) versus how they conducted themselves, how they replicated Tsarist suppression of occupied peoples—a lot of Russia was not Russian by choice—and how their violence was nearly identical to the White Terror they would go on to deplore.

Trotsky himself was in charge of determining enemies of the state, and the line between “complaining about forced requisition” and “trying not to starve” and “conspiracy against the state” was nihil.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 12:40:59am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

Just when I thought it was safe, another line of thunderstorms are coming at us across the county line to the south.

Batten down the hatches (again). Our Internet service has been up and down all night.

Last Thursday, we tested the tornado siren, then had a tornado later in the day.

Today, we tested the tornado siren …

We had a tornado on Monday not 120 miles away in Viersen, Germany. We are fairly safe from such weather in the Rhine valley, but for that, we get flooding.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 12:44:14am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

A

7 day precipitation forecast shows Nebraska as being the most rained upon part of the central US:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 12:45:52am

re: #151 teleskiguy

I hit a milestone with the karma!!!

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One two six one two six. That’s something!

I live for these little arbitrary achievements in life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 12:50:37am

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea

Marx makes a key point that capital and private property should not be treated as if they were identical.

When a company is too big to fail, then it is too big to remain unregulated, or the “free market” ceases to function properly.

And as a fan of the free market, I want to see it function, but I want to see it function for the benefit of everyone: producers and consumers, employers and employees, lenders and borrowers.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 12:52:47am

re: #189 Kragar

During the Russian Civil War, Trotsky served as People’s Commissars for Military and Naval Affairs, from 1917 to 1925, which would later evolve into the Minister of Defense.

At the time, this office oversaw the organization of purges against people considered to be enemies of the state.

I found what this refers to in that very long Wikipedia article on Trotsky. (There is no way I am going to learn everything there is to know about him in a half-hour read of Wikipedia.)

Years later, anarchist Emma Goldman and others criticized Trotsky’s actions as Commissar for War for his role in the suppression of the [Kronstadt] rebellion, and argued that he ordered unjustified incarcerations and executions of political opponents such as anarchists, although Trotsky did not participate in the actual suppression. Some Trotskyists, most notably Abbie Bakan, have argued that the claim that the Kronstadt rebels were “counterrevolutionary” has been supported by evidence of White Army and French government support for the Kronstadt sailors’ March rebellion. Other historians, most notably Paul Avrich, claimed the evidence did not point towards this conclusion, and saw the Kronstadt Rebellion as spontaneous.

Reading about that rebellion linked above (the military against the Bolsheviks in 1920) is about as complicated as the article on Trotsky itself. There seems at the time quite a bit of contention as to whether putting down the rebellion by military forces was justified, and that debate seems to continue today.

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Kragar  May 18, 2018 • 12:54:09am

re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I live for these little arbitrary achievements in life.

I live for those moments when a bill comes out to a whole dollar amount.

“$7.03”
“DAMMIT, JUST MISSED IT!”

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 12:58:19am

re: #198 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like Marx’s observations and some of his specific points; he’s also the jump-off point for ideas and terms that influence thinkers I really like.

But Marxism has acquired a belief system component that is partly his fault, since he put his prescriptive work in the category of verified-as-scientific—capital-T True—rather than as a theoretical structure.

Also, tonight I’m just being pissy and thus not very precise.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 1:04:44am

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

The Red Terror

This is post-WW1; there was some standards in general about treatment of civilians.

Thanks for the link, but as for treatment of civilians, not so much.

See also the White Terror, the Czarist equivalent at the same time, and which killed (estimates in the article) about three times as many people.

Both were horrible.

Various treaties concerning treatment of opposition by armed forces only refer to opposing armed forces (the last being the Geneva Convention of 1949).

An amendment to the treaty in 1977 adds civilians to the list, but the United States has not ratified it (why am I not surprised at that).

en.wikipedia.org (Protocol 1, international armed conflict)
en.wikipedia.org (Protocol 2, non-international armed conflict)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 1:07:25am

re: #201 The Ghost of a Flea

I like Marx’s observations and some of his specific points; he’s also the jump-off point for ideas and terms that influence thinkers I really like.

I have never seen him as more than an analytical tool.

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2018 • 1:08:13am

Kinda got busy all at once here at the hut. The people we went to visit in Florida last month (which I had a bad flu the whole trip) came here last week for a seminar. Then my dad came for a week. While he was here I had to do a wheel bearing on the car and also a couple of weeks before, we got a real wet heavy snow and my wife was driving with the wipers going and about 500 pounds of wet snow slid off the roof and busted the wiper motor so I did that too. Then the boy went to do an oil change on the van and pulled the trans plug instead. Tomorrow I gotta cut down a small tree growing pretty close to the house and my mom wants me to come out and fix the headlights on her golf cart at the campgrounds in the Dells. Also I’m going to a play tomorrow night. Also the microwave over the stove died.

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I cannot.  May 18, 2018 • 1:10:24am

re: #200 Kragar

What’s even worse is when you’re at the gas station and you can put in $15 for 3.01 gallons, or you can put in $14.99 for 3 gallons.

Gas stations are the true Hellmouths.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 1:12:34am

re: #205 I cannot.

What’s even worse is when you’re at the gas station and you can put in $15 for 3.01 gallons, or you can put in $14.99 for 3 gallons.

Gas stations are the true Hellmouths.

I remember a useful tip from VIz Magazine:

“If you always fill up for 10 Pounds, then you can save time by going to more expensive petrol stations!”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 1:15:47am

re: #205 I cannot.

What’s even worse is when you’re at the gas station and you can put in $15 for 3.01 gallons, or you can put in $14.99 for 3 gallons.

Gas stations are the true Hellmouths.

LOL. Our general store owner doesn’t bother with the 9/10ths on gasoline prices (he just leaves it at 0). He says it makes his accounts at the end of the day easier to keep.

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I cannot.  May 18, 2018 • 1:17:21am

Goddammit. A gigantic fly has entered the house, time for extreme measures…

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2018 • 1:20:27am

Plus there’s a mouse that has completely owned my van. He chewed through my fuel injector wires some weeks back and he’s been shitting all over. In the cupholders. He built a bed in the glovebox, man. He’s been kicking my ass!! I had hoped spring would free me from this imp. I’m going to have to take drastic measures.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 1:22:02am

re: #209 Amory Blaine

Plus there’s a mouse that has completely owned my van. He chewed through my fuel injector wires some weeks back and he’s been shitting all over. In the cupholders. He built a bed in the glovebox, man. He’s been kicking my ass!! I had hoped spring would free me from this imp. I’m going to have to take drastic measures.

I had a cute little mouse that used to creep in and eat my marijuana seeds. I thought that was sweet. Then he started shitting in my stash and he had to go…

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Teukka  May 18, 2018 • 1:24:48am

re: #208 I cannot.

Goddammit. A gigantic fly has entered the house, time for extreme measures…

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Meh.

Phalanx CIWS Close-in Weapon System In Action - US Navy’s Deadly Autocannon

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2018 • 1:43:52am

My dad came back from Vietnam and was involved with a biker gang in the 70s. He didn’t ride a bike, but he drove a van. One year as a preteen I proudly accompanied him with supplies for a pig roast up to a party at the land in the northwoods. Driving at night, through the tall pine trees, the headlights pushing us on, deep in the dark, far way from anybody. Listening to this 8 track (among others):

Back Where You Belong

I’m always transported to that place, everytime I hear it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 1:49:36am

re: #212 Amory Blaine

My dad came back from Vietnam and was involved with a biker gang in the 70s.

your dad had a gang affiliation?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 1:58:40am

Advert out today in the UK’s Telegraph from British Muslim organisations.

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2018 • 2:01:54am

He was in a club that had ties to the outlaws, the guys (left) that he maintains relationships with are (mostly) teddy bears with no real criminal records (heh). Even though after Vietnam he was violent at home he wasn’t violent in his social settings.

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Single-handed sailor  May 18, 2018 • 2:13:17am

Kim Jong Un understands America

Unchanged U.S. Ambition for World Hegemony

Some days ago, the U.S. House of Representatives shaped a bill on national defense right for fiscal 2019 which included the military budget to the tune of 717 billion U.S. dollars.

Such huge military spending is used to maintain the U.S. military bases and various types of military hardware deployed in all most of regions and continents and the Department of Defense and other mechanisms, form new armed forces and develop cutting-edge military technology, etc.

It shows that the U.S. is seeking to block multi-polarization of the world and keep the unipolar world at any cost.

The U.S. has not given up even a moment its wild design to change the world in its favor, dominating it single-handedly.

It regards military spending as the size of strength.

After the end of the Cold War, the U.S. military appropriation has always been many times higher than the world’s second largest nation in military spending, which is much more than the military spending of major powers put together.

In the U.S., the military spending has been increased every year, though its economy has fallen into stagnation due to the swelling trade and financial deficits.

The U.S. is running high fever in military reinforcement to check the military influence of its potential rivals and their expansion of sphere of force in the Pacific, the Atlantic, the Indian Ocean, etc. and other regions and continents and establish its supremacy over this planet.

China, Russia and all other countries that challenge the unipolar world by the U.S. are regarded as targets of obstacle lying in the way of realizing “peace by strength”.

The U.S. ambition to dominate the world with strength remains unchanged in any case.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 2:15:12am
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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2018 • 2:16:49am

re: #215 Amory Blaine

I consider the setting of the movie Mask a close approximation of how he, and we, lived life. After the divorce from my mother he picked me up for visitation in the van he lived in and I would live in it too.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 2:36:59am

Part of my bedroom ceiling just collapsed. Yay.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 2:38:50am

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

Part of my bedroom ceiling just collapsed. Yay.

my back door just fell off the hinges if that makes you feel any better…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 3:15:38am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my back door just fell off the hinges if that makes you feel any better…

I’m back. At least my wife and I weren’t in bed when it happened.

The insurance company was here a couple days ago to inspect after the tornado. I guess we have a leak (there is a significant amount of water in our bedroom now) … I’ll give ‘em another call in the morning.

Good thing we have a spare bedroom.

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steve_davis  May 18, 2018 • 3:15:55am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

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presumably because cats always land on their feet after reentry. and the fur keeps them from burning up in the atmosphere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 3:18:56am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

I’m back. At least my wife and I weren’t in bed when it happened.

The insurance company was here a couple days ago to inspect after the tornado. I guess we have a leak (there is a significant amount of water in our bedroom now) … I’ll give ‘em another call in the morning.

Good thing we have a spare bedroom.

we had a massive summer storm on Monday, upstairs neighbors got rain through the roof in their apartment, I was spared any damage and really lucked out, was on a hiking tour and had just got my group safely onto the buses back to the ship when the deluge set in, so bad that we had to pull over as there was no visibility and the roads were unable to drain and were flooding

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 3:23:17am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we had a massive summer storm on Monday, upstairs neighbors got rain through the roof in their apartment, I was spared any damage and really lucked out, was on a hiking tour and had just got my group safely onto the buses back to the ship when the deluge set in, so bad that we had to pull over as there was no visibility and the roads were unable to drain and were flooding

You were fortunate.

Well, my wife and I are in two time zones after that. She is in whiskey o’clock and I am in rum o’clock.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 3:25:24am

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹

You were fortunate.

Well, my wife and I are in two time zones after that. She is in whiskey o’clock and I am in rum o’clock.

I have taken a hiatus from drinking, every time I have too many I start writing long, maudlin mails to my ex-girlfriend. I usually sober up enough before sending them, but last time was too close a call…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 3:29:38am

A man here in prison is seeking exoneration in a 1988 murder case, claiming DNA evidence clears him of the crime. He is now being represented by the Innocence Project.

starherald.com

SCOTTSBLUFF — A man convicted in the 1988 murder of a Scottsbluff man and his girlfriend alleges another man committed the murders, not as part of a robbery as investigators originally contended, but to cover up a rape.

Jeffrey Boppre, 54, is serving two life sentences in the September 1988 killings of Richard Valdez, 25, and Sharon Condon, 19, who was Valdez’s girlfriend. A jury convicted Boppre of the killings in March 1989 and two counts of using a weapon to commit murder and two counts of robbery. Prosecutors alleged Boppre stole drug money before killing Valdez, who prosecutors said wrote a “dying declaration” identifying his killer. At the scene, investigators found the letters “JFF BOPPE” written in grease and the name “JEFF” written in blood near Valdez’s body. Two men testified at trial against Boppre, claiming to have been a part of the robbery scheme or witnesses.

However, Boppre has repeatedly filed appeals and sought relief, maintaining that he is innocent of the crime.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 3:39:50am

Hot take from Foreign Affairs:

Why Trump Can Safely Ignore Europe: It’s Leaders Readily Condemn but Rarely Act

Europe has reacted swiftly and with great fury to U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision last week to pull out of the Iranian nuclear deal. The problem is not simply that the Trump administration has undermined one of the signature achievements of European foreign policy but that his inherent volatility, his unpredictability, and most of all his lack of commitment to the transatlantic alliance mean that any act of U.S. disruption is now possible. Righteous indignation is the language of the day, and predictions about the death of the transatlantic alliance abound.

But laments and indignation do not add up to strategy. The real question is not whether Europeans are pissed off but whether they will do anything in response to Trump’s actions. The answer is most likely no.

(more)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 3:44:11am

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

Hot take from Foreign Affairs:

Why Trump Can Safely Ignore Europe: It’s Leaders Readily Condemn but Rarely Act

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Yunno, they quietly put contingency plans into place. Angela Merkel has long been saying that they can no longer rely on America as an ally in any political, economic, diplomatic or military sense any more.

She is not the sort to just make up stuff on the fly and expect her people to come up with things to flesh it out, she obviously has negotiations going on right now.

I see it as no longer a matter of “if”. When they strategically re-orient themselves and drop the Dollar as the world’s reserve currency, the repercussions are going to be shattering.

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wheat-dogg  May 18, 2018 • 3:58:33am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have taken a hiatus from drinking, every time I have too many I start writing long, maudlin mails to my ex-girlfriend. I usually sober up enough before sending them, but last time was too close a call…

Yeah. Bad idea.

Don’t ask.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:07:08am

Derp on the Guardian’s opinion page and the comments to this tweet:

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wheat-dogg  May 18, 2018 • 4:10:25am

re: #230 Anymouse 🌹

If Ecuador evicted Assange and the Metro Police arrested him, it would so make my year. AFAIC his relevancy expiry date has long passed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 4:10:47am

re: #229 wheat-dogg

Yeah. Bad idea.

Don’t ask.

We had a long history: four years together as bandmates, madly in love, etc., she could rip electric guitar solos on her fiddle and sang amazing harmonies. And she kicked ass at Scrabble, we used to play for hours/days on end. I had to work really hard to still win most of the time.

Then things fell apart, she joined another band and dumped me for a handsome young Scottish guitarist…

I am still recovering from it.

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wheat-dogg  May 18, 2018 • 4:11:55am

re: #232 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I feel your pain, brother.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 4:14:28am

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

Hot take from Foreign Affairs:

Why Trump Can Safely Ignore Europe: It’s Leaders Readily Condemn but Rarely Act

(more)

started reading the article: one paragraph struck me

“The simple answer is that Europeans need the alliance more than the Americans do. For Europe, the transatlantic alliance is its rock of stability in an otherwise ever-changing world and the foundation on which it has constructed European security and European integration.”

And that is the issue: the USA is no longer a stable partner. They really have to look at the ascending powers in the world (Russia, China) and come to terms with them without relying on the USA any more..

In Greece, for example, policymakers look to Washington for protection not from Russia or terrorism but from Germany’s stringent economic policies.

Because American banks own the default insurance on Greek debt. If Greece is allowed to go under, the US will wind up eating their losses, not Europe.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:16:18am

Primary results: Write-in count complete. My wife lost to another Democrat for State Treasurer. (I will be on the ballot for the November 6 village board election.)

We have a candidate for every statewide and Federal office, and almost every local office. The GOP is not going unchallenged this time here.

After the November 6 election, we may still be a GOP-controlled state. But the GOP isn’t going to get it this time without competition at the polls.

For the first time since I moved here, I can turn in a ballot that is not mostly blank.

More conservative planning in action:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 4:23:27am

re: #235 Anymouse 🌹

Last wk, when I wrote about the Trump admin dismantling outbreak response measures amid an emerging Ebola outbreak, I noted the risk of Ebola spreading to a large city.

A convenient excuse to block anyone from that part of the world from even entering the USA…

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 4:25:46am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Only brown people get ebola.

Remember back during the beginning of the election process, when Trump and the hate-right were rattling on about the ebola patients?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:31:40am

Flood watch posted for tonight and tomorrow, with severe thunderstorms predicted for this afternoon, then two days of rain showers.

I hope no more parts of my ceiling come down.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:32:56am

Video of the tornado that struck Germany Wednesday.
washingtonpost.com

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 4:32:59am

re: #238 Anymouse 🌹

Did you see the expected precip map I posted earlier?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 4:33:56am

re: #239 Anymouse 🌹

Video of the tornado that struck Germany Wednesday.
washingtonpost.com

I saw that, very sudden and extreme

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:37:02am

Trump Administration to announce there will be no Federal funding for any medical organisation which even mentions abortion.

bbc.com

What will the change mean?

Clinics that receive federal money from a family planning programme known as Title X will be banned from referring clients for abortion, discussing abortion with patients, or sharing space with abortion providers.

If they do so, their funding will be withdrawn.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:37:34am

re: #240 freetoken

Did you see the expected precip map I posted earlier?

No. Where did you post it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 4:39:04am

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Administration to announce there will be no Federal funding for any medical organisation which even mentions abortion.

What will the change mean?

(more)

It means that the Christian Fundamentlists are winning and Roe v Wade is next on the list…

I personally cannot wait for news to come out that Trump paid women to get abortions but even that is not going to change the opinion of the anti-abortion faction.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:42:01am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It means that the Christian Fundamentlists are winning and Roe v Wade is next on the list…

I personally cannot wait for news to come out that Trump paid women to get abortions but even that is not going to change the opinion of the anti-abortion faction.

He’s just a flawed vessel carrying out God’s will… .

Wait, they’ve already used that for his divorces, cheating, paying porn stars, …

Well, if you have a going concern that works, why not continue?

Conservatism is about gaining and maintaining power, not about pesky things such as “ethics” or “consistency.”

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wheat-dogg  May 18, 2018 • 4:43:08am

A bit of Cantopop history here.

Beyond was a Hong Kong-based band from 1983-2005. Its leader, Wong Ka Kui, died in 1993 after he sustained massive head injuries in a tragic stage accident in Tokyo. One of his most famous songs is Glorious Years (光輝歲月) , which was dedicated to Nelson Mandela.

Beyond - 光辉岁月 Guang Hui Sui Yue - Lyrics and Translation

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:47:57am

The sun breaks across the horizon, showing the huge pile of giant tree branches that came down in last night’s storms.

The village maintenance mechanic just hauled off the massive branches from the tornado two days ago.

And today the NWS schedules us for severe thunderstorms. Am I going to have an elm tree left when this is over (or a house)?

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I cannot.  May 18, 2018 • 4:49:23am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What would be the effects of that on a personal level?

What would the timing be? (i.e. would someone have a few years once the collapse started, or a few days?)

What would be the best ways to deal with that?

And last question…any guess as to what brand of bottlecaps will have the most value in the Wasteland?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 4:56:05am

spc.noaa.gov

Well, we’re in today’s fun area for storms.

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Varek Raith  May 18, 2018 • 5:00:40am

Conan Exiles Dev Kit = 147GB.
Lol.
I just wanna mod some datatables.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 5:00:44am

re: #243 Anymouse 🌹

I wish I knew how to link images that I’ve already uploaded to my image library, but it’s not obvious to me.

Anyway, here it is again, the 7 day estimated precipitation, starting earlier today:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:01:05am

re: #248 I cannot.

What would be the effects of that on a personal level?

What would the timing be? (i.e. would someone have a few years once the collapse started, or a few days?)

What would be the best ways to deal with that?

And last question…any guess as to what brand of bottlecaps will have the most value in the Wasteland?

On a personal level, very little would change, I have been in Europe longer than I ever lived in America and have little reason to think of going home. Besides, my kids live here.

If America declares secondary sanctions against countries that continue to trade with Iran, then Europe will have to decide whether to cast its lot with an unstable, unpredictable USA that does not keep its agreements (Paris Accords, JPCOA, etc.) or come to some arrangement with Russia, China and the ascending economic and political powers in Eurasia.

If they do that and abandon the $ as the world reserve currency, then the USA will be the long-term loser.

If the US loses its ability to finance its debt by selling dollars abroad, our entire system will collapse and I would recommend building an underground shelter, stocking and and arming it well for at least 3-7 years until the dust settles.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:01:56am

re: #249 Varek Raith

Man yelling about the President opens fire at Trump golf resort

Florida man gets political

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 5:02:59am

re: #252 freetoken

I wish I knew how to link images that I’ve already uploaded to my image library, but it’s not obvious to me.

Anyway, here it is again, the 7 day estimated precipitation, starting earlier today:

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Oh boy, up to four inches of rain when my roof is apparently fubar. Yay.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 5:07:52am

Occam’s Razor:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:12:06am

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹

Deep Thoughts: People spend a lot of time analyzing Trump’s words and trying to explain the meaning and intent behind them, but maybe he’s just a fucking idiot who blurts out whatever crazy shit is in his senile brain at that particular moment?

We only argue back and forth about them for the sake of argument. We are all aware of who he is and what he is saying and why. His words, no matter how extreme, are not going to change anyone’s opinion about him.

Those who support them cheer on his rhetorical excesses, others take it in stride, convinced that he is just a blowhard but somehow the lesser evil and the rest of us (and the plurality of US voters in the last election) do not want him in office.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 5:13:15am

This might make conservative heads spin:

Life of Gouverneur Morris (one of the Founders):

Morris didn’t marry until he turned 57, and during his bachelor years, he had quite a few romantic escapades—one of which cost him a leg. While he was in France, Morris carried on an extended affair with a married woman who lived in the Louvre.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:15:18am

re: #258 Anymouse 🌹

While he was in France, Morris carried on an extended affair with a married woman who lived in the Louvre.

He didn’t just love her, he Louvred her…

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Varek Raith  May 18, 2018 • 5:16:58am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He didn’t just love her, he Louvred her…

Go to your room.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:18:57am

re: #260 Varek Raith

Go to your room.

that’s “Van Gogh to your room.”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 18, 2018 • 5:19:20am

re: #164 JordanRules

Franklin Leonard

@franklinleonard
They made Jimmy Carter give up his peanut farm.

My sister’s mantra especially when we are talking to my brother.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2018 • 5:23:21am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Last wk, when I wrote about the Trump admin dismantling outbreak response measures amid an emerging Ebola outbreak, I noted the risk of Ebola spreading to a large city.

A convenient excuse to block anyone from that part of the world from even entering the USA…

Which is what rightwingers have always wanted to do.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2018 • 5:25:44am

re: #249 Varek Raith

Man yelling about the President opens fire at Trump golf resort

He opened fire and is yet still alive. Alright then.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 18, 2018 • 5:27:39am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…..

And that is the issue: the USA is no longer a stable partner. They really have to look at the ascending powers in the world (Russia, China) and come to terms with them without relying on the USA any more..

……

China is definitely a rising power who will dominate the world for the rest of our lifetime. But Russia — not so much. It’s successful at interfering with Western democracies and tearing us down. But economically, it’s irrelevant and there’s nothing to suggest that this will change. Putin is Kim with a lot of bombs and nothing more.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 5:30:25am

The fellow who delivers our morning newspaper just arrived. He was late because his basement was a lake after last night’s storms and he was bailing water to keep his house from sinking.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 5:33:48am

re: #216 Single-handed sailor

Kim Jong Un understands America

Somewhat. If fails to include the fact that military spending in this country goes into a lot of pockets that send part of it back to politicians.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 5:34:34am

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

The libertarians at Reason Magaine are touting a survey (which they call a study in conflation of terms) to show universities have a “liberal bias” because 2 of 5 Liberal Arts colleges have no self-reported Republicans.

reason.com

Considering Republicans are generally opposed to Liberal Arts (Humanities, Fine Art, Music, History, &c) as an education path, it would not surprise me if there was a dearth of Republicans at Liberal Arts colleges.

You know, Libertarians, sometimes it isn’t a big conspiracy, sometimes it’s self-selection or a spurious correlation, just sayin’.

Maybe if more Republicans/Libertarians showed an interest in teaching, you can’t cry bias when you are not even applying for positions. Unless they can prove that interviewers are asking the professor applicants their registered party.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:35:16am

re: #267 Belafon

Somewhat. If fails to include the fact that military spending in this country goes into a lot of pockets that send part of it back to politicians.

Military spending is also a form of social program and federal revenue sharing.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 5:37:05am
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jeffreyw  May 18, 2018 • 5:42:43am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 5:43:14am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

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I hope he’s gone before then.

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Lupin  May 18, 2018 • 5:46:21am

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

Hot take from Foreign Affairs:

Why Trump Can Safely Ignore Europe: It’s Leaders Readily Condemn but Rarely Act

(more)

IMHO I challenge the premise of the article and what is meant by the word “action”.

We have a precedent, the Libya sanctions. The EU made it unlawful for EU companies to abide by US orders and indemnified those companies which were or might have been sanctioned. End result: complete nullification of US sanctions; US backed down.

Also the EU has achieved more effective results against amazon, google, apple, facebook, etc. than the US has (so far).

I think the author of the article defines “action” in more bombastic way than the EU does.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 5:47:03am

The BBC is more optimistic about our rain/storm chances today than the National Weather Service.

bbc.com

I’ll take the BBC’s weather, thanks.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 5:47:27am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Controversial opinion but the Ledger joker is good but not great and his premature death played a role in hyping it. Sorry to sound heartless. He wasn’t bad but it’s not one of the best performances ever.

I am going to disagree. His Joker felt exactly like what that Joker needed to be: An agent of pure chaos. And the way he told the stories about his scars was just great.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 5:50:36am

re: #275 Belafon

I am going to disagree. His Joker felt exactly like what that Joker needed to be: An agent of pure chaos. And the way he told the stories about his scars was just great.

You do make good points.

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I cannot.  May 18, 2018 • 5:50:50am

re: #253 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

3-7 years?! Not disagreeing with that assessment…but that’s a bit out of my price range.

Solution: Eat the rich.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:51:03am

re: #273 Lupin

IMHO I challenge the premise of the article and what is meant by the word “action”.

We have a precedent, the Libya sanctions. The EU made it unlawful for EU companies to abide by US orders and indemnified those companies which were or might have been sanctioned. End result: complete nullification of US sanctions; US backed down.

Also the EU has achieved more effective results against amazon, google, apple, facebook, etc. than the US has (so far).

I think the author of the article defines “action” in more bombastic way than the EU does.

It makes the assumption that Europe needs America as a source of stability and as a mediator for their internal quarrels.

But the United States has shown itself to be an unstable and unpredictable partner who is no longer to take the side of Europe or to act as an unbiased arbitrator.

And Angela is not one to bluster and make hollow statements. If she got up and announced that the USA is no longer a reliable partner, it means that she is already well on her way to forging other alliances.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 5:52:48am

More conservatives lying about the difference between civil and criminal violations, to keep their marks rubes religious worshipers voters confused:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:52:49am

re: #277 I cannot.

3-7 years?! Not disagreeing with that assessment…but that’s a bit out of my price range.

Solution: Eat the rich.

I know, but the first year or so will be armed chaos until private ammunition stocks dwindle, then the authorities (with the largest reserves) will be able to start restoring order, something that will take years to fully complete.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 5:54:08am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

More conservatives lying about the difference between civil and criminal violations, to keep their marks rubes religious worshipers voters confused:

Children are legal minors, they cannot “break the law” in any sense.

But conservatives are pitching the “deterrent” factor.

They are not afraid to let children starve or suffer if it fits their inhumane ideology.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 5:56:10am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

More conservatives lying about the difference between civil and criminal violations, to keep their marks rubes religious worshipers voters confused:

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Except it’s a civil offense but she knows that.

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makeitstop  May 18, 2018 • 6:01:11am

‘How unfair of you to play video of me saying the exact opposite of what I’m claiming now!’

And Rudy has no room to complain about Avenatti being on TV too much, now that he’s jumping in front of the nearest camera at the drop of a hat.

But I say Rudy should book more TV hits! He actually thinks he’s helping here.

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freetoken  May 18, 2018 • 6:01:44am

For perspective, here is a 23 April 1933 interview with Emil Lengyel, shortly after Hitler won his election:

chroniclingamerica.loc.gov

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 6:04:01am

re: #283 makeitstop

‘How unfair of you to play video of me saying the exact opposite of what I’m claiming now!’

[Embedded content]

And Rudy has no room to complain about Avenatti being on TV too much, now that he’s jumping in front of the nearest camera at the drop of a hat.

But I say Rudy should book more TV hits! He actually thinks he’s helping here.

Way to go Rudy. Beclown yourself one day at a time.

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 6:09:36am

re: #33 JordanRules

An implication of that is that the South might be perfectly fine with the North having nukes that are then shared with the South in a reunified Korea. That provides the leverage they need against Japan, China, and other regional countries.

What could possibly go wrong… /

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 6:12:20am

re: #286 lawhawk

An implication of that is that the South might be perfectly fine with the North having nukes that are then shared with the South in a reunified Korea. That provides the leverage they need against Japan, China, and other regional countries.

What could possibly go wrong… /

I never thought of that angle. Then South Korea could truly end its association with the USA and focus on Asia.

We are really making a mess of things under this current administration.

But again, bailing on the Paris Accords and JPCOA shows that we are not a reliable or stable partner.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 6:13:10am

Brilliance from Mike Huckabee:

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2018 • 6:13:30am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

This is important because Republicans have done a great job in demonizing migrants. Entering this country without authorization is not in and if itself a crime. Or perhaps I’m missing something.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 6:15:21am

re: #289 Patricia Kayden

This is important because Republicans have done a great job in demonizing migrants. Entering this country without authorization is not in and if itself a crime. Or perhaps I’m missing something.

entering as a minor is certainly not

the point is that we need comprehensive, fair and humane immigration reform

I do not see that happening any time soon, so it is just a playground for people to posture and propose “solutions” that are just there for “deterrent” purposes, like separating families and interning children (the ones they do not lose)

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 6:16:42am

Happy Friday. Me thinks they swoop the coup this weekend.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 6:17:10am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

Great idea. GOP in Congress should do to for me. Republicans should GET SMART. Pass Amendment for more terms!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 6:17:25am

re: #289 Patricia Kayden

This is important because Republicans have done a great job in demonizing migrants. Entering this country without authorization is not in and if itself a crime. Or perhaps I’m missing something.

Simply entering the country without proper authorisation is not a crime, but a civil offence. It carries a fine and deportation as the penalty.

The actual crime is avoiding a customs house (smuggling). That is a Felony and punishable by jail (and can be meted out to both Americans and foreigners).

The other crime associated with that is hiring someone knowing they are not authorised to legally work in the country. That is also a Felony punishable by fines, jail, and seizure of assets. However, corporations and businesses would be the ones guilty of that (normally), the GOP would never want that crime prosecuted.

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 6:18:38am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Rudy’s been on tv nearly nonstop now, and it’s the trainwreck we’ve been expecting.

Even Rudy isn’t bothering to claim that Trump is innocent of criminal acts. He’s left with claiming that Trump can’t be indicted because he’s president.

That’s an admission of criminality and Rudy thinks that quibbling over whether Trump can be indicted is the hill to die on.

Rudy thinks that Trump can’t be indicted because he’s president. The problem is that the criminal acts alleged and those that Mueller’s investigating aren’t mere obstruction of justice and perjury (which are impeachable offenses for those keeping score) but going to seditious actions and conspiracy against the US, which are high crimes. The fact that so many within Trumpworld were involved in this, knew about it, covered up, etc., brings not only Trump admin/campaign/transition into the scope, but even members of Congress.

That’s why so many GOPers like Nunes are insistent the investigation end. They know they’re fucked if the investigation continues. Nunes was on the transition team. Pence headed the transition and Flynn was a key member (who’s already entered a guilty plea).

Manafort and Gates were campaign managers with exclusive access to Trump. Papadopoulos was a key foreign policy adviser.

All these guys were up to their eyeballs in criminal acts at the behest of the admin and running their own sideshow criminal enterprises to boot.

Then we’ve got Cohen’s criminal acts and now he’s twisting in the wind as more evidence comes out not only about payments, but that there may be even more flagged payments that can’t be explained by anyone.

This isn’t a dumpster fire of a regime.

It’s a Simpsons Springfield tire fire of epic proportions. It’s a coal seam fire destroying Centralia PA epic level firestorm of corruption and criminality.

And leading Trump’s defense is Rudy who can’t and wont say Trump is innocent - only that he can’t or shouldn’t be indicted.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 6:20:50am

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

Part of my bedroom ceiling just collapsed. Yay.

wth? Because of the rain?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 6:22:54am

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

The other crime associated with that is hiring someone knowing they are not authorised to legally work in the country. That is also a Felony punishable by fines, jail, and seizure of assets. However, corporations and businesses would be the ones guilty of that (normally), the GOP would never want that crime prosecuted.

Yes, I thought that was part of the 1988 reform and amnesty, up to then it was not a punishable offense.

Again, a national ID for all citizens and legal resident aliens would do a lot to combat these issues, but a solution like that is not about to be proposed, much less accepted.

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 6:27:04am

re: #294 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Rudy’s been on tv nearly nonstop now, and it’s the trainwreck we’ve been expecting.

Even Rudy isn’t bothering to claim that Trump is innocent of criminal acts. He’s left with claiming that Trump can’t be indicted because he’s president.

That’s an admission of criminality and Rudy thinks that quibbling over whether Trump can be indicted is the hill to die on.

Rudy thinks that Trump can’t be indicted because he’s president. The problem is that the criminal acts alleged and those that Mueller’s investigating aren’t mere obstruction of justice and perjury (which are impeachable offenses for those keeping score) but going to seditious actions and conspiracy against the US, which are high crimes. The fact that so many within Trumpworld were involved in this, knew about it, covered up, etc., brings not only Trump admin/campaign/transition into the scope, but even members of Congress.

That’s why so many GOPers like Nunes are insistent the investigation end. They know they’re fucked if the investigation continues. Nunes was on the transition team. Pence headed the transition and Flynn was a key member (who’s already entered a guilty plea).

Manafort and Gates were campaign managers with exclusive access to Trump. Papadopoulos was a key foreign policy adviser.

All these guys were up to their eyeballs in criminal acts at the behest of the admin and running their own sideshow criminal enterprises to boot.

Then we’ve got Cohen’s criminal acts and now he’s twisting in the wind as more evidence comes out not only about payments, but that there may be even more flagged payments that can’t be explained by anyone.

This isn’t a dumpster fire of a regime.

It’s a Simpsons Springfield tire fire of epic proportions. It’s a coal seam fire destroying Centralia PA epic level firestorm of corruption and criminality.

And leading Trump’s defense is Rudy who can’t and wont say Trump is innocent - only that he can’t or shouldn’t be indicted.

Morning!

I heard someone the other day say indictments against Trump could be made and then sealed to be used once Trump leaves office. At that point the indictments can be unsealed and then prosecutors can go after him as a private citizen for offenses he did while as President.

Is there any truth in that? Does a sealed indictment mean there is no statute of limitations since it was made within the time frame and then sealed?

The comment was made within the discussion that if a President can’t be touched while in office, you just wait until he is out of office. I think they were saying it is unusual, but legal.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2018 • 6:28:28am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Wouldn’t Social Security cards do the trick? I thought those were only given to citizens and legal residents.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 6:30:41am

re: #298 Patricia Kayden

Wouldn’t Social Security cards do the trick? I thought those were only given to citizens and legal residents.

are they also photo ID?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 6:33:05am

re: #294 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Rudy’s been on tv nearly nonstop now, and it’s the trainwreck we’ve been expecting.

Even Rudy isn’t bothering to claim that Trump is innocent of criminal acts. He’s left with claiming that Trump can’t be indicted because he’s president.

That’s an admission of criminality and Rudy thinks that quibbling over whether Trump can be indicted is the hill to die on.

I can only assume that his tactic is now just to throw up enough dust and smoke so as to distract, distract, distract from what is going to come out.

And again, if this nation had the political will, we would need no further investigations, there is enough evidence of conflicts of interests, Emoluments Clause violations and obstruction of justice to warrant charges and impeachment.

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 6:37:01am

RESET THE CLOCK!

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 6:40:57am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s the only tactic he’s got at his disposal since the law and facts aren’t on his side. He’s left pounding the table (feebly at that).

Impeachment isn’t a legal procedure, but a political one. Trump could be impeached without Mueller, but the GOP wont do that unless they have overwhelming evidence - which is of a sort that Mueller could provide. The Senate report is enough IMO to start proceedings.

So where does this leave us? Hoping Democrats retake the House and hold Trump accountable for his actions. The GOP continues to be complicit in refusing to make sure that Trump follows the rule of law.

If the House impeaches, then it’s up to the Senate to take action in a trial. Considering that there’s far more evidence against Trump than there ever was against Clinton, the GOP can’t argue here that obstruction/perjury aren’t high crimes, and those are actually the least bad things Trump and his cronies have done.

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 6:47:12am

re: #301 lawhawk

It appears that there is at least one casualty - early reports indicate a female student was shot.

Life Flight was also called to the scene. There is no official confirmation of any injuries at this time, but there does appear to be a possible body under a sheet near an exit door.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 6:51:59am

re: #302 lawhawk

It’s the only tactic he’s got at his disposal since the law and facts aren’t on his side. He’s left pounding the table (feebly at that).

Impeachment isn’t a legal procedure, but a political one. Trump could be impeached without Mueller, but the GOP wont do that unless they have overwhelming evidence - which is of a sort that Mueller could provide. The Senate report is enough IMO to start proceedings.

The tactic has been to try to discredit and compromise Mueller enough so that the GOP can ignore his findings without appearing complicit themselves.

I am afraid that they will succeed despite all of Mueller’s thorough and hard work.

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 6:55:22am

Re: deadly bus crash in NJ yesterday.

It appears that the bus may have missed its exit and was attempting an illegal U turn at a center median crossover when it got clipped by the dump truck. If true, then the driver of the bus is at fault and could be charged in connection with the death of a teacher and student along with 40+ injured students.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2018 • 7:02:41am

re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

are they also photo ID?

No. Okay. Got it.

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Citizen K  May 18, 2018 • 7:03:12am

Welp…if there wasn’t proof of a clear double standard for Trump in the media before, the ‘animals’ quote certainly shows it.

How many times has he been given the benefit of the doubt and the media soft-pedaled back on his dogwhistles, when they buried Hillary for the ‘deplorables’ remark, when Obama’s ‘god and guns’ comment haunted him for his entire term, when there are so many goddamn points where context actually exonerates the comments, where this still ends up the same fucking guilt by association anti-immigrant fearmongering either way?

Just…fuck.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 7:03:37am

re: #297 ObserverArt

Morning!

I heard someone the other day say indictments against Trump could be made and then sealed to be used once Trump leaves office. At that point the indictments can be unsealed and then prosecutors can go after him as a private citizen for offenses he did while as President.

Is there any truth in that? Does a sealed indictment mean there is no statute of limitations since it was made within the time frame and then sealed?

The comment was made within the discussion that if a President can’t be touched while in office, you just wait until he is out of office. I think they were saying it is unusual, but legal.

At what point do we become a country that allows a criminal to continue to lead the country? Especially one who broke the law to obtain that office?

How are we arguing this? This is so wrong.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 18, 2018 • 7:04:28am

re: #299 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

are they also photo ID?

It would be funny if they were, since most would have a picture of a baby on it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 7:05:56am

re: #306 Patricia Kayden

No. Okay. Got it.

If we make biometric photo SS cards, we have the problem solved in a big hurry, they would just have to indicate citizenship/residence status.

so what not this simple solution and instead bluster about building walls, rounding up people and separating families?

Because too many vested interests have no reason to implement a just, humane and comprehensive solution.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 7:12:14am

re: #295 Sir John Barron

wth? Because of the rain?

The tornado last week created a leak in my roof. Last night’s rainstorms wetted the plaster in my ceiling and part of it came down over my bed and floor.

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BlueGrl21  May 18, 2018 • 7:12:15am

There is an active shooter situation at Santa Fe high school outside of Houston. My husband used to teach there.

I am sick to my stomach.

I should not have to worry that when I send my husband and son to their high school they may get fucking shot in the head.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 7:12:49am

re: #311 Anymouse 🌹

The tornado last week created a leak in my roof. Last night’s rainstorms wetted the plaster in my ceiling and part of it came down over my bed and floor.

oh gosh

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 7:12:53am

re: #305 lawhawk

Re: deadly bus crash in NJ yesterday.

It appears that the bus may have missed its exit and was attempting an illegal U turn at a center median crossover when it got clipped by the dump truck. If true, then the driver of the bus is at fault and could be charged in connection with the death of a teacher and student along with 40+ injured students.

That was really a very bad move from the bus driver. You really shouldn’t do that in a car. The length of a bus and the arc it would take to swing a bus through the median takes some time, so there is no way you can make that move safely for traffic on your side or the other.

I’ll never forget that happening to my parents back the year I graduated high school.

They were on their way back from Cleveland on I-71 and a young kid driving his date and another couple to prom night missed their exit and were running late to get to the restaurant clubhouse where their dinner was being held.

The kid tried to go through the median, mistimed how long it would take to make the move to get in the fast lane going the other way.

He got scared and swung the car too wide and he went over the fast lane he was trying to keep his can in and smacked my father’s car on the driver’s side exactly parallel to their car and flattened the whole side about 3” front fender to rear fender.

Thankfully it was parallel side to side. Had he hit them at an angle it may have been a lot worse. My father was able to take the hit and keep the car straight to slow down and pull over.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 7:16:28am

Just put new batteries in the weather radio. My wife said, “Don’t do that! That will bring another tornado!”

It would appear the station that provides us alerts (Angora, NE, part of Cheyenne’s area) is down. Even when it’s working, we are right on the edge of the transmission range so we have trouble picking it up.

Oshkosh, NE (part of North Platte’s area) comes in fine, but they don’t give warnings for our county.

There are stations which use a special system where any alert for the country is broadcast, and if your radio is set to that FIPS code for that county, you get the alert. However, the NWS only uses those stations in highly populated areas. As such, we’re stuck out here with a milliwatt transmitter fifty miles away which we can barely get on a good day.

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 7:17:29am

re: #308 MsJ

At what point do we become a country that allows a criminal to continue to lead the country? Especially one who broke the law to obtain that office?

How are we arguing this? This is so wrong.

Well, one problem is he is sort of protected by the Constitution and law. Our forefathers probably thought our country would never be stupid enough to elect someone as nasty as Trump. They figured only the best would be president.

The other problem is the protections they did put in relied on Congress and they also probably never thought we’d have a Congress that was not only a majority but completely willing to go along with and protect someone as bad as Trump.

We sure need to consider this for the future. But that is going to take some heavy lifting from Congress too.

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Eventual Carrion  May 18, 2018 • 7:17:50am

re: #99 Unshaken Defiance

Pffft. Who is the best Bruce Wayne?

David Mazouz?

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 7:19:25am

Wow. Indeed.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 7:22:29am

re: #312 BlueGrl21

There is an active shooter situation at Santa Fe high school outside of Houston. My husband used to teach there.

I am sick to my stomach.

I should not have to worry that when I send my husband and son to their high school they may get fucking shot in the head.

My brother-in-law teaches not too far there (Angleton).

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 7:24:53am

re: #318 MsJ

Wow. Indeed.

Welcome to Our Brain, Not the Precise Instrument We Thought It Was. I will be your host. On tonight’s episode, we will be discussing how the human brain can insert its own biases into observations. Does this explain ghosts and the “evidence” for higher beings? Let’s find out.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 7:25:13am

re: #312 BlueGrl21

There is an active shooter situation at Santa Fe high school outside of Houston. My husband used to teach there.

I am sick to my stomach.

I should not have to worry that when I send my husband and son to their high school they may get fucking shot in the head.

KHOU with the compassionate banner: Watch Live! Active shooter at Santa Fe High School in Houston.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 7:26:05am

re: #321 Anymouse 🌹

KHOU with the compassionate banner: Watch Live! Active shooter at Santa Fe High School in Houston.

Are you not entertained?!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 7:26:10am

re: #321 Anymouse 🌹

KHOU with the compassionate banner: Watch Live! Active shooter at Santa Fe High School in Houston.

just revealing what their true motives are…if it bleeds, it leads, human tragedy is secondary

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 7:33:37am

Yay. Our village streets are already a morass. Plus I have a bedroom ceiling to worry about.

…FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM 3 PM MDT THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH
SATURDAY AFTERNOON…

The National Weather Service in Cheyenne has issued a

* Flood Watch for a portion of western Nebraska, including the
following areas, Cheyenne, Kimball, and Morrill.

* From 3 PM MDT this afternoon through Saturday afternoon

* Saturated grounds from previous rainfall and potential for
future heavy rainfall could lead to local creek and river
flooding that impact area roadways.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 7:34:20am

And, apparently something else

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 7:38:53am
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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 7:39:41am

re: #322 Belafon

Are you not entertained?!

May the odds be ever in your favor.

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Citizen K  May 18, 2018 • 7:39:51am

re: #326 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Goddammit….goddammit goddammit, goddammit…

It keeps happening. And the country keeps shrugging it off in the end….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 7:42:27am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 7:43:35am

re: #328 Citizen K

Goddammit….goddammit goddammit, goddammit…

It keeps happening. And the country keeps shrugging it off in the end….

Conservatism is a religion. It requires the blood sacrifice of children to appease the gods of the NRA in keeping with the holy commands of the II Amendment.

They all claim they are Christians, but hold the gun up as their idol to worship.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 7:43:55am

Busy Friday morning

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plansbandc  May 18, 2018 • 7:43:55am

Someone on my facebook feed this morning called President Racist Grandpa a big orange twat. It pleased me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 7:44:28am

re: #328 Citizen K

Goddammit….goddammit goddammit, goddammit…

It keeps happening. And the country keeps shrugging it off in the end….

see-through, bullet-proof full-body backpacks…

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 7:45:07am

re: #329 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 7:45:07am

re: #326 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“multiple fatalities” is always the term I dread seeing when one of these things happens. Hopefully it will prove to be false, but I doubt it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 7:45:40am

re: #332 plansbandc

Someone on my facebook feed this morning called President Racist Grandpa a big orange twat. It pleased me.

I generally delete all political posts, be they pro-or anti-trump: for me FB is about friends and family, kids, dogs, food and upcoming events. If I want to discuss politics, I come to sites like this one

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 7:46:22am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I generally delete all political posts, be they pro-or anti-trump: for me FB is about friends and family, kids, dogs, food and upcoming events. If I want to discuss politics, I come to sites like this one

Not everyone does.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 7:46:56am
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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 7:47:50am

And, since people do talk politics on facebook, it’s probably better to make sure they are correct than hold onto some pure stance. That just leaves the other side free rein.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 7:47:54am

re: #328 Citizen K

Goddammit….goddammit goddammit, goddammit…

It keeps happening. And the country keeps shrugging it off in the end….

Naw. There is tons happening. The young people are working their asses off. Laws have changed. Gun reform groups have seen their numbers swell. Still lots to do and of course there will still be horrible shootings but things are happening.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 7:49:12am

re: #337 Belafon

Not everyone does.

I know, and those people get blocked or unfriended if they get carried away on FB.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 7:49:28am

re: #340 JordanRules

Naw. There is tons happening. The young people are working their asses off. Laws have changed. Gun reform groups have seen their numbers swell. Still lots to do and of course there will still be horrible shootings but things are happening.

Yep. States are starting to implement gun reforms. Mom’s Demand Action have blocked 90-some-odd gun loosing bills. The kids are scaring the NRA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 7:50:27am

re: #339 Belafon

And, since people do talk politics on facebook, it’s probably better to make sure they are correct than hold onto some pure stance. That just leaves the other side free rein.

I made the mistake of getting drawn into some discussions on FB and now just delete before I am even tempted to respond.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 7:51:15am
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Interesting Times  May 18, 2018 • 7:52:34am

re: #344 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow, when even Maggie “But muh access” Haberman is calling out Cheeto Benito’s bad-faith trolling…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 7:55:06am

re: #344 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There is enough “wiggle room” to allow his apologists to state their case. As if his statements, no matter how outrageous, would change anybody’s opinion of him, either supporters or detractors.

We act as if there is a discussion or a debate or people to be swayed on their opinion of Trump based on what he says and does.

That discussion longer exists. Those who support him do so because he is bigoted and rude, or at least simply accept that because they see him as a lesser evil.

The rest of us know and knew what he was like before he was elected.

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Ace-o-aces  May 18, 2018 • 7:59:17am

WTF?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 8:01:39am

re: #265 Hecuba’s daughter

China is definitely a rising power who will dominate the world for the rest of our lifetime. But Russia — not so much. It’s successful at interfering with Western democracies and tearing us down. But economically, it’s irrelevant and there’s nothing to suggest that this will change. Putin is Kim with a lot of bombs and nothing more.

Even in the glory days of the Soviet Union, somebody called them “Upper Volta with nukes”.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 8:01:44am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I generally delete all political posts, be they pro-or anti-trump: for me FB is about friends and family, kids, dogs, food and upcoming events. If I want to discuss politics, I come to sites like this one

Sounds like it’s easier to just not use Facebook than spend that time curating your feed.

I just use the Post Office or the telephone for those things.

For serious politics, I come here. For poking fun at politicians, I go to Wonkette.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 8:03:29am

re: #347 Ace-o-aces

WTF?

But he donates all his salaries and businesses and pensions to charity! He lives in virtual poverty with all the sacrificing he makes for MAGA!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 8:04:46am

re: #349 Anymouse 🌹

Sounds like it’s easier to just not use Facebook than spend that time curating your feed.

I just use the Post Office or the telephone for those things.

For serious politics, I come here. For poking fun at politicians, I go to Wonkette.

I had to block a handful of people over excessive political posting, yes. But in general, I only friend people I know from real life with whom I wish to remain in real life contact with (fewer than 200, of whom only a handful are people I have never met, but someday wish to) .

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2018 • 8:06:26am

Parkland survivor, with preemptive counter-frame to inevitable dumbfuckery from the NRA and their pet politicians:

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:08:09am

re: #347 Ace-o-aces

I saw that in the disclosure the other day. He gets it for acting and producing (two different guilds). Weeeee.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 8:08:26am

re: #345 Interesting Times

Wow, when even Maggie “But muh access” Haberman is calling out Cheeto Benito’s bad-faith trolling…

Not impressed. She built this with her incessant both-siderism, in the same way that George Will has “suddenly seen the light.”

They are two facets of the same problem: Neither wants to report on what’s actually happening. Haberman just wants access to the throne, Will is upset that Trump is not using approved conservative dog whistles.

The same goes for people such as Jennifer Rubin or Rick Wilson. They would be fine with your generic new cruelty conservative; they just don’t like it that Trump isn’t sticking to the standard conservative vocabulary.

All my life conservatives have trained this voter base, with plenty of the voters ready to play.

All Trump did was take the establishment conservative politicians’ voters away from them because he in fact “told it like it is.” He spoke to them exactly as they have been trained, and as he knocked off each establishment conservative in the primaries one by one, the GOP base just cheered more while Frankenstein was befuddled over why he’d lost control of his monster.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:09:41am

The responses in this (and the original) tweet are heartbreaking. This makes me love Alyssa Milano that much more.

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makeitstop  May 18, 2018 • 8:13:54am

re: #324 Anymouse 🌹

Yay. Our village streets are already a morass. Plus I have a bedroom ceiling to worry about.

…FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM 3 PM MDT THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH
SATURDAY AFTERNOON…

The National Weather Service in Cheyenne has issued a

* Flood Watch for a portion of western Nebraska, including the
following areas, Cheyenne, Kimball, and Morrill.

* From 3 PM MDT this afternoon through Saturday afternoon

* Saturated grounds from previous rainfall and potential for
future heavy rainfall could lead to local creek and river
flooding that impact area roadways.

Geez, dude, you really pissed somebody off. j/k

Stay safe.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 8:15:14am

re: #305 lawhawk

Re: deadly bus crash in NJ yesterday.

It appears that the bus may have missed its exit and was attempting an illegal U turn at a center median crossover when it got clipped by the dump truck. If true, then the driver of the bus is at fault and could be charged in connection with the death of a teacher and student along with 40+ injured students.

Yeah, he’s in big trouble. I know from experience that cops really don’t like U-turns even when they’re perfectly legal—it’s like a red flag to a bull.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 8:17:10am

Oh man, if there isn’t a “Gates/Microsoft is BAD” tweet sometime today I’ll be surprised.
That’s a pretty ugly clip

Bill Gates Dishes About President Donald Trump Meetings In Exclusive Video | All In | MSNBC

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 8:17:11am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 8:17:59am

re: #356 makeitstop

Geez, dude, you really pissed somebody off. j/k

Stay safe.

Colorado and Wyoming both hate us, that’s why they’re throwing storms at us.

Nature is trying to kill us.

I just got off the phone with my insurance agent to let him know that my bedroom ceiling is now my bed’s comforter and covering for my carpet.

If they didn’t know about a roof leak, they do now.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 8:19:26am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 8:19:43am

re: #316 ObserverArt

Well, one problem is he is sort of protected by the Constitution and law. Our forefathers probably thought our country would never be stupid enough to elect someone as nasty as Trump. They figured only the best would be president.

The other problem is the protections they did put in relied on Congress and they also probably never thought we’d have a Congress that was not only a majority but completely willing to go along with and protect someone as bad as Trump.

We sure need to consider this for the future. But that is going to take some heavy lifting from Congress too.

Also, they were totally against political parties—“faction”, they called it—and made no provision for dealing with the consequences of their formation.

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 8:20:23am

re: #347 Ace-o-aces

To be honest, I had no idea he was a SAG member. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised - he’s been in movies and TV shows.

Still…….learn something new every day.

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Jay C  May 18, 2018 • 8:22:10am

re: #363 Dr Lizardo

To be honest, I had no idea he was a SAG member. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised - he’s been in movies and TV shows.

Still…….learn something new every day.

I’m surprised he bothered to keep up with his SAG dues to even qualify for a pension.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 8:24:04am
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 8:24:58am

Another shooting :(.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 8:24:59am
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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 8:25:33am

re: #364 Jay C

I’m surprised he bothered to keep up with his SAG dues to even qualify for a pension.

Same here!

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 8:26:10am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Sigh

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 8:26:22am

re: #367 JordanRules

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Trump hat too.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 8:26:46am

re: #367 JordanRules

an American flag and a gun

Oh, good, he’s just in time.

///

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Mike Lamb  May 18, 2018 • 8:28:40am

re: #318 MsJ

Wow. Indeed.

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Wanna trip youself out: think brain needle or green storm.

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 8:28:59am

Aaannnnd……the school shooting is the #1 news story on the evening news here in the Czech Republic.

*sigh*

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Teukka  May 18, 2018 • 8:29:59am

re: #355 MsJ

The responses in this (and the original) tweet are heartbreaking. This makes me love Alyssa Milano that much more.

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Citizen K  May 18, 2018 • 8:30:01am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Aaannnnd……the school shooting is the #1 news story on the evening news here in the Czech Republic.

*sigh*

American Crazy is a good way for places with actual gun laws to reinforce why their gun laws actually exist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 8:30:41am

re: #358 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh man, if there isn’t a “Gates/Microsoft is BAD” tweet sometime today I’ll be surprised.
That’s a pretty ugly clip

He is going to start insisting that they pay taxes…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 8:32:09am

re: #362 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Also, they were totally against political parties—“faction”, they called it—and made no provision for dealing with the consequences of their formation.

yes, they assumed that American would vote for people who put the nation’s interest above their own or that of their faction.

which is the bill of goods that DT sold his supporters…he was independently wealthy and could not be bought or influenced by money

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 8:32:35am

re: #375 Citizen K

American Crazy is a good way for places with actual gun laws to reinforce why their gun laws actually exist.

Great point!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 8:33:11am

re: #363 Dr Lizardo

To be honest, I had no idea he was a SAG member. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised - he’s been in movies and TV shows.

Still…….learn something new every day.

he is a fucking wresting and reality TV host…but yes, we are not used to thinking in these terms, although he is not the first SAG member to hold high office. Schwarzenegger, Al Franken and Reagan all come to mind…

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 8:33:33am

re: #375 Citizen K

American Crazy is a good way for places with actual gun laws to reinforce why their gun laws actually exist.

There’s wingnuts in the Czech Republic - face it, they’re everywhere - but even the wingnuts here are, by and large, in agreement with Czech gun control policies. Like one commented (translated): “And if we [Czech Republic] were like the USA, with everyone having guns, everyday would be the massacre at the OK Corral.” And yes, Czechs know what the shootout at the OK Corral was.

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Mike Lamb  May 18, 2018 • 8:34:10am

re: #361 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Sounds like a copycat of Parkland. I heard a student interviewed that said the fire alarms went off, and that everyone went outside as if it was a fire drill.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:35:51am

re: #364 Jay C

I’m surprised he bothered to keep up with his SAG dues to even qualify for a pension.

There was money in it for him. Of course he did.

And remember, if he had more fame and fortune through Hollywood, we wouldn’t be here, for that was his true desire. He wanted to be Kim Kardashian.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:36:49am

re: #372 Mike Lamb

Wanna trip youself out: think brain needle or green storm.

I actually heard Brain Needle when I wasn’t thinking of either. I was thinking “elephant” and heard Brain Needle. I guess that was my default.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 8:37:01am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Aaannnnd……the school shooting is the #1 news story on the evening news here in the Czech Republic.

*sigh*

?!?!?!??!?!?1

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Citizen K  May 18, 2018 • 8:37:29am

re: #380 Dr Lizardo

There’s wingnuts in the Czech Republic - face it, they’re everywhere - but even the wingnuts here are, by and large, in agreement with Czech gun control policies. Like one commented (translated): “And if we [Czech Republic] were like the USA, with everyone having guns, everyday would be the massacre at the OK Corral.” And yes, Czechs know what the shootout at the OK Corral was.

We seem to be despairingly unique that way, where we have one of the most powerful groups in America almost begging for more OK Corrals, consistently feeding the imagination of their marks of being the Wyatt Earp or Doc Holliday in such a situation. “Good guy with a gun”….

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:37:34am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is going to start insisting that they pay taxes…

If we’re lucky, he will tell all his followers to stop using Windows.

Oh what a world we’d be in then!

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 8:37:56am

re: #384 Sir John Barron

Yep. Live feed from CNN, with simultaneous translation.

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fern01  May 18, 2018 • 8:38:52am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Last wk, when I wrote about the Trump admin dismantling outbreak response measures amid an emerging Ebola outbreak, I noted the risk of Ebola spreading to a large city.

A convenient excuse to block anyone from that part of the world from even entering the USA…

There are always returning citizens. And the outcry when President Obama didn’t instantly solve the Ebola crisis. How soon the rats in congress forget.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 8:39:28am

re: #381 Mike Lamb

Sounds like a copycat of Parkland. I heard a student interviewed that said the fire alarms went off, and that everyone went outside as if it was a fire drill.

time to remove fire alarms for safety purposes…

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 8:40:56am

re: #385 Citizen K

We seem to be despairingly unique that way, where we have one of the most powerful groups in America almost begging for more OK Corrals, consistently feeding the imagination of their marks of being the Wyatt Earp or Doc Holliday in such a situation. “Good guy with a gun”….

And now that powerful group is aligned with a hostile foreign power to eat away at our soul, institutions and standing in the world. Neither of them give a damn about America.

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Jay C  May 18, 2018 • 8:42:14am

So sad. latest news from Santa Fe HS:

8 killed, 2 in custody

From KPRC, Houston: no more details as of yet (this piece was posted updated at 10:37 (presumably CT)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 18, 2018 • 8:42:46am

re: #312 BlueGrl21

There is an active shooter situation at Santa Fe high school outside of Houston. My husband used to teach there.

I am sick to my stomach.

I should not have to worry that when I send my husband and son to their high school they may get fucking shot in the head.

My Libertarian (embarrassed Conservative) friend was arguing this morning that school shootings are rare.

He did have a seemingly-valid point that the recent thwarted shooting isn’t in the news like it should be. CNN covered it, but I had to do a search since it wasn’t on the US News page.

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Citizen K  May 18, 2018 • 8:45:15am

A reminder that we have a goddamn child as president. (And yes, the tweet is real, I just refuse to link to the shitgibbon’s own twitter)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 18, 2018 • 8:46:59am

re: #386 MsJ

If we’re lucky, he will tell all his followers to stop using Windows.

Oh what a world we’d be in then!

That would be awesome. Getting the Trump supporters out of PC gaming would do a lot of good.

Speaking of Windows, my PC updated to the latest version last night without a hitch or any needed user intervention.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 18, 2018 • 8:47:58am
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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 8:48:43am

re: #393 Citizen K

A reminder that we have a goddamn child as president. (And yes, the tweet is real, I just refuse to link to the shitgibbon’s own twitter)

I thought he was usually all Let’s Wait For The Facts about these things, while jumping to instant conclusions when things concern Muslims or immigrants.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 8:48:48am

And, Trump puts out a compassionate tweet over the tragedy in Houston. (Who am I kidding, Trump wouldn’t have anything to do with compassion unless he could monetise it.)

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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 8:48:53am

Shit. Eight dead in Santa Fe.

Everybody’s got guns in Texas. Doesn’t seem to help.

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 8:50:01am

re: #360 Anymouse 🌹

Colorado and Wyoming both hate us, that’s why they’re throwing storms at us.

Nature is trying to kill us.

I just got off the phone with my insurance agent to let him know that my bedroom ceiling is now my bed’s comforter and covering for my carpet.

If they didn’t know about a roof leak, they do now.

Do you have any big tarps you could put up over the roof area that might be large enough to go up over the crown and then down to cover the leaking area?

I know around Columbus when there is wind that blows off roofing shingles or slates, you can call a roofer and they will put up a tarp until they can get to the repair. The insurance company might pay for it too, as it prevents more damage they might have to cover later.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 8:50:08am

re: #397 Anymouse 🌹

And, Trump puts out a compassionate tweet over the tragedy in Houston. (Who am I kidding, Trump wouldn’t have anything to do with compassion unless he could monetise it.)

This guy

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 18, 2018 • 8:52:01am

Just got a WaPo alert saying AT LEAST eight people are dead at the school shooting.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:52:17am

re: #399 ObserverArt

Do you have any big tarps you could put up over the roof area that might be large enough to go up over the crown and then down to cover the leaking area?

I know around Columbus when there is wind that blows off roofing shingles or slates, you can call a roofer and they will put up a tarp until they can get to the repair. The insurance company might pay for it too, as it prevents more damage they might have to cover later.

I was thinking the exact same thing but I think it would be hard to get someone up there in the weather they are having.

My heart goes out to the Anymouse household.

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 8:54:23am

re: #363 Dr Lizardo

To be honest, I had no idea he was a SAG member. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised - he’s been in movies and TV shows.

Still…….learn something new every day.

You have to be a star and part of the guild so “they” can let you grab them by the pussy.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 8:55:01am
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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 8:55:56am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 8:56:34am

re: #399 ObserverArt

Do you have any big tarps you could put up over the roof area that might be large enough to go up over the crown and then down to cover the leaking area?

I know around Columbus when there is wind that blows off roofing shingles or slates, you can call a roofer and they will put up a tarp until they can get to the repair. The insurance company might pay for it too, as it prevents more damage they might have to cover later.

I’m waiting on a call back from my insurance agent; I’ll ask him when he calls.

In the meantime, it’s the calm before this afternoon’s heavy weather: The sun is out.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 8:58:39am

re: #406 Anymouse 🌹

I’m waiting on a call back from my insurance agent; I’ll ask him when he calls.

In the meantime, it’s the calm before this afternoon’s heavy weather: The sun is out.

If it is calm, get someone up there now to put that tarp up. They will fully pay for mitigation! Do it now before your house becomes uninhabitable.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 8:58:41am

I took the liberty to modify it slightly

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 8:58:53am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 9:00:02am

China Launching Relay Satellite Toward Moon’s Far Side Sunday

The Chang’e program was named after the Chinese goddess of the moon, and “Queqiao” means “bridge of magpies.” This latter moniker comes from a Chinese folktale. In the story, as China’s state-run Xinhua news service explained last month, “magpies form a bridge with their wings on the seventh night of the seventh month of the lunar calendar to enable Zhi Nu, the seventh daughter of the Goddess of Heaven, to cross and meet her beloved husband, separated from her by the Milky Way.”

OMG! It’s actually named Bridge of Birds! I wish Barry Hughart had lived to see this.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:01:22am

re: #408 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Perfection.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:02:04am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 18, 2018 • 9:02:46am
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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:04:31am

re: #363 Dr Lizardo

To be honest, I had no idea he was a SAG member. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised - he’s been in movies and TV shows.

Still…….learn something new every day.

I believe the SAG contract with all the studios states that if you get paid for any acting you are required to become part of the guild, and that you must get paid for any acting you don’t wave your rights to.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 18, 2018 • 9:04:50am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

see-through, bullet-proof full-body backpacks…

Since we can’t restrict guns or bullets, the only solution to this is to splice armadillo genes into human embryos to make students who have their own armor.

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 9:04:51am

Wingnut thinking: “What’s eight kids dead as long as I can keep my guns. This country was founded on the blood of freedom. Sometimes freedom has a price.”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:05:07am

re: #404 JordanRules

More children on the blood sacrifice altar of the religion of conservatism.

The survivors will no doubt add their voices to those of Parkland’s students.

Considering how savvy teenagers are at the use of social media, I suspect those in Parkland are already helping Santa Fe gear up to demand change from society.

For we adults on the left, staying out of their way seems the best thing to do. Supporting their actions, especially in state legislatures, Congress, and the upcoming election seems to be the thing to do.

“My opponent doesn’t care if your child lives or dies. I want to work on smart solutions to ensure everyone is safe and their rights protected. Vote for candidate X on November 6.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 9:05:14am

re: #411 MsJ

Perfection.

I was thinking of tweeting it to the cartoonist, but thought maybe it wouldn’t be right to so publicly share a modification of his work

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:05:24am

What’s really good Van bro Jones?

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:07:29am

re: #418 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I was thinking of tweeting it to the cartoonist, but thought maybe it wouldn’t be right to so publicly share a modification of his work

Tell them it would fit better the first pane was copied to the last.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:07:45am

And now the House fails to pass the Farm Bill…

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:08:23am

re: #421 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now the House fails to pass the Farm Bill…

Considering the crap they had attached, that’s good.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:08:43am

re: #421 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now the House fails to pass the Farm Bill…

Good news!!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:08:51am

re: #415 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Since we can’t restrict guns or bullets, the only solution to this is to splice armadillo genes into human embryos to make students who have their own armor.

Conservatives are also opposed to genetic engineering and gene splicing.

The only real solution is to put your kid in a vault.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:09:11am

re: #422 Belafon

Considering the crap they had attached, that’s good.

Probably failed because it wasn’t cruel enough for the Teabaggers.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:09:24am

re: #418 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I was thinking of tweeting it to the cartoonist, but thought maybe it wouldn’t be right to so publicly share a modification of his work

I would agree with that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 9:10:02am

re: #404 JordanRules

Including today’s shooting incident at a Texas high school, this year there have already been 22 school shootings where someone was hurt or killed. That averages out to more than 1 shooting a week.

These kids know that they are walking targets and I am glad to see that they are wresting control of the discussion out of the hands of the NRA and removing the fear from the souls of politicians to undertake some serious changes in law and policy concerning access to weapons.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:10:18am

re: #418 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I was thinking of tweeting it to the cartoonist, but thought maybe it wouldn’t be right to so publicly share a modification of his work

Too late. I did. Maybe I shouldn’t have. But I did.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 9:10:22am

re: #420 Belafon

Tell them it would fit better the first pane was copied to the last.

I just emailed it to him, using the address on the cartoon

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 9:10:33am

re: #419 JordanRules

“I also want to thank Van Jones because he constantly says good things about me.”

And as we know that’s the most important thing about anyone.

/

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:10:41am

re: #425 Joe Bacon 🌹

Probably failed because it wasn’t cruel enough for the Teabaggers.

Yup, the Freedumb caucus wanted to make it even worse.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:11:03am

re: #428 MsJ

Too late. I did. Maybe I shouldn’t have. But I did.

Should I delete that tweet? I didn’t remove his name or anything. But I will if you think I should.

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2018 • 9:11:26am

Good grief, talk about fate rubbing salt in a PTSD wound:

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Mattand  May 18, 2018 • 9:11:31am

re: #412 JordanRules

School shooting in Texas. Early reports not looking good. God bless all!

Jesus Christ, I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that that was considered an appropriate way to address yet another school shooting.

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Jay C  May 18, 2018 • 9:11:47am

re: #424 Anymouse 🌹

Conservatives are also opposed to genetic engineering and gene splicing.

The only real solution is to put your kid in a vault.

Safety!
Home schooling only!
In a panic room!
With only Fox for media feeds!
And guns!
LOTS of guns!!!!!!!!!
Safety!

[only half/////]

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:12:29am

re: #433 Interesting Times

Good grief, talk about fate rubbing salt in a PTSD wound:

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Seriously. It’s sad and maddening!

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:12:50am

re: #435 Jay C

Safety!
Home schooling only!
In a panic room!
With only Fox for media feeds!
And guns!
LOTS of guns!!!!!!!!!
Safety!

[only half/////]

You know that it is the desire of all Republicans to completely do away with public education, right?

This helps their cause.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:13:44am

My insurance agent just called back about my new duvet made from plaster.

He said he has not yet heard back from the adjuster, so he will call and find out what’s up along with giving my report from last night.

In the meantime, he recommends getting ahold of roofer right away to try to prevent further damage.

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2018 • 9:13:44am

re: #436 JordanRules

Seriously. It’s sad and maddening!

Emma Gonzalez weighs in. I’ll never cease to be moved and amazed by how her words cut right to the heart of the matter:

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 9:13:58am

So, I flip on TV and of course it is full coverage of another gun shooting in a school day in America.

And in two minutes I am hearing the same FBI agents and others I see every single time saying the same things I (we) have heard every time this happens.

Might as well put this all on a continuous loop and make a 24 hour a day Gun Deaths in America Channel.

Now I see they are showing 8-10 killed. What’s up with that?

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 9:14:41am

re: #439 Interesting Times

Emma Gonzalez weighs in. I’ll never cease to be moved and amazed by how her words cut right to the heart of the matter:

These Parkland survivors are domestic terrorists threatening and bullying me!

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:15:27am

Never forget that Russia funneled dirty money into our politics for this authoritarian regime thru the NRA!!

Never forget!
Never forget!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 18, 2018 • 9:15:28am

re: #424 Anymouse 🌹

Conservatives are also opposed to genetic engineering and gene splicing.

The only real solution is to put your kid in a vault.

I believe the RWNJs answer would fall more along the lines of “see, that daycare fer mah kids is dumb. I’ll just homeschool Kletus, Jr.”

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Mattand  May 18, 2018 • 9:15:29am

Just saw the body count in Houston.

All I can go back to is my relative who’s a high school teacher. Whenever the subject comes up and talking about banning guns, they immediately change the subject.

The corker is that this person isn’t even close to being conservative. Just doesn’t want to talk about it.

Fuck this country; we care more about being armed to the teeth than we do protecting schoolkids.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:16:13am

re: #432 MsJ

Should I delete that tweet? I didn’t remove his name or anything. But I will if you think I should.

I probably would in this case.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 18, 2018 • 9:16:24am

re: #443 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I believe the RWNJs answer would fall more along the lines of “see, that daycare fer mah kids is dumb. I’ll just homeschool Kletus, Jr.”

And then he’ll get shot at home, or shoot a parent.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 9:17:03am

re: #440 ObserverArt

So, I flip on TV and of course it is full coverage of another gun shooting in a school day in America.

And in two minutes I am hearing the same FBI agents and others I see every single time saying the same things I (we) have heard every time this happens.

Might as well put this all on a continuous loop and make a 24 hour a day Gun Deaths in America Channel.

Now I see they are showing 8-10 killed. What’s up with that?

I’ve got the Weather channel on
It just has constant coverage of volcanoes, tornadoes, flooding, and hurricane preparations.
It seems much less threatening

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:17:55am

re: #442 JordanRules

Never forget that Russia funneled dirty money into our politics for this authoritarian regime thru the NRA!!

Never forget!
Never forget!

And the Russians have been helping the NRA spread the “guns everywhere” message.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:18:51am

re: #444 Mattand

Just saw the body count in Houston.

All I can go back to is my relative who’s a high school teacher. Whenever the subject comes up and talking about banning guns, they immediately change the subject.

The corker is that this person isn’t even close to being conservative. Just doesn’t want to talk about it.

Fuck this country; we care more about being armed to the teeth than we do protecting schoolkids.

Those people are the ones you show the quote from MLK about moderates.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:19:00am
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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:22:00am

re: #450 JordanRules

I wonder how many people are having to remind Trump not to mention the shooting at his golf course.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:22:12am
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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 9:22:51am

So, a sheriff deputy was also shot (apparently still alive). And 8 (to 10?) kids have been killed. How effective is a policeman anyway? Sure, he may have brought it to an end…but we still have 8 or more deaths.

They are also saying there were explosives (bombs) found.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:23:24am

re: #451 Belafon

I wonder how many people are having to remind Trump not to mention the shooting at his golf course.

All of them!
A surrogate will probably get it out there tho.

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 9:24:23am

re: #448 Belafon

And the Russians have been helping the NRA spread the “guns everywhere” message.

Why not? They can facilitate damaging this country without them having to fire a shot. They just give the money to the politicians that allows us to shoot ourselves.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 9:24:33am

re: #434 Mattand

Jesus Christ, I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that that was considered an appropriate way to address yet another school shooting.

It is not appropriate. It is Trump. he is inappropriateness personified.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:24:35am

I just got off the telephone with Wildcat Roofing and Firearms Supply (they’re the roofer around here). Waiting on a call back to see when they can come out and look at my roof.

They’ve been pretty busy after the tornado.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 9:24:58am

re: #453 ObserverArt

So, a sheriff deputy was also shot (apparently still alive). And 8 (to 10?) kids have been killed. How effective is a policeman anyway? Sure, he may have brought it to an end…but we still have 8 or more deaths.

They are also saying there were explosives (bombs) found.

So this was punishment for them staging a walkout protesting school shootings? This kind of thing will continue and escalate, I’m afraid.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 9:25:07am

How much worse could it have been?

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:25:08am

That guy showing up after with the gun and the flag would make a great commercial. Blur the guy’s face. But tell everyone this is what the NRA wants you to believe, that you too can show up and stop a gunfight. But, as this and other shootings show, you’re not the first one to shoot, and will never be the first one to shoot, because the shooter will always be first.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:25:51am

re: #457 Anymouse 🌹

I just got off the telephone with Wildcat Roofing and Firearms Supply (they’re the roofer around here). Waiting on a call back to see when they can come out and look at my roof.

They’ve been pretty busy after the tornado.

Their specialty had better be roof mounted artillery.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:27:05am

re: #458 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So this was punishment for them staging a walkout protesting school shootings? This kind of thing will continue and escalate, I’m afraid.

Don’t know, wouldn’t speculate, but if it is, it points out just how even more dangerous it is for some people to get guns. All the more reason to regulate them more.

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 9:27:25am

re: #453 ObserverArt

So, a sheriff deputy was also shot (apparently still alive). And 8 (to 10?) kids have been killed. How effective is a policeman anyway? Sure, he may have brought it to an end…but we still have 8 or more deaths.

They are also saying there were explosives (bombs) found.

The original plan by Harris and Klebold was to blow up Columbine High School and then pick off the survivors as they fled.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:27:33am

Leadership put the bill on the floor gambling it would pass despite unanimous Democratic opposition. They negotiated with conservative lawmakers up to the last minutes.

But their gamble failed. The vote was 198-213.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) described the legislation as “cruel” and argued that with the proposed changes to food stamps, “Republicans are taking food out of the mouths of families struggling to make ends meet.”

Republicans contend the food stamp changes are a reasonable approach that would help move able-bodied adults from poverty to work. “Our bill goes shoulder-to-shoulder with recipients to help get them the training and education they need to attain a job that can provide for them and their families,” Conaway said.

The current farm bill expires Sept. 30 and the pending legislation would reauthorize numerous programs and policies. In addition to the food stamps, flash points include an extension of supports for the sugar program, which a coalition of conservative lawmakers backed by free-market outside groups tried unsuccessfully to get rid of in an amendment defeated Thursday.

The legislation also directs the USDA to reevaluate changes the Obama administration made to the National School Lunch Program to set new nutrition requirements. It extends the Agriculture Department’s subsidy program that compensates farmers when average crop prices fall below certain levels — and expands by widening who counts as a “farmer,” for subsidy purposes. An amendment by Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) to phase out farm subsidies altogether was defeated Thursday.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:27:48am

re: #452 MsJ

Well, Governor Ricketts, I hope your talk with Sonny Perdue in Alliance yesterday was worthwhile.

You know what conservatives don’t care about? Your state’s agriculture.

By the way, Governor, where’s our disaster declaration? You went right through our town to get to Alliance, and back through on the way back to Lincoln.

Oh right, you’re a conservative, it didn’t affect you personally so you don’t care.

I wish there was some way to get through to conservative voters that conservative politicians don’t care about them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:29:21am

re: #452 MsJ

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Confirms what I posted above. Just wasn’t cruel enough for the KKKraKKKer Teabaggers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 9:30:45am

re: #461 Belafon

Their specialty had better be roof mounted artillery.

The German word for roof is Dach The word for construction is Bau, and conversion is an Ausbau

So I saw a truck parked outside for a company that did attic conversions, in German Dachausbau and thought “Didn’t they stop building Dachaus a long time ago?”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 9:31:38am

Daily the man puts on display what a complete and utter fucking moron he is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 9:32:18am

re: #466 Joe Bacon 🌹

Confirms what I posted above. Just wasn’t cruel enough for the KKKraKKKer Teabaggers.

And that is why a GOP party majority is not the same as a Congressional majority, because the extreme right Tea Party / White Supremacist wing is rebelling against the GOP for not being “conservative” enough.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:37:13am
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BeachDem  May 18, 2018 • 9:38:50am

re: #383 MsJ

I actually heard Brain Needle when I wasn’t thinking of either. I was thinking “elephant” and heard Brain Needle. I guess that was my default.

George Lakoff has told us over and over again, “Don’t think of an elephant.”
//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 9:38:59am

re: #470 JordanRules

i cant find any serious votes where pelosi didnt get the job done. when we had the majority she passed what needed passing. in the minority she did boehner and ryan’s work in keeping the govt open and out of default. this is why they hate her. she’s good.

Paul Ryan is just running out the clock on his remaining time anyway, is he not?

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 9:39:47am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:39:52am

My wife is watching YouTube videos on home tornado shelters. They debunk every “reasonable” suggestion (modified culvert pipe, modified septic tank, &c).

All of them fail for interior space and cost. Engineers suggest building your own.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 9:40:01am

re: #470 JordanRules

Democrat Party obstructions!!

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 9:40:38am

re: #470 JordanRules

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She’s actually effective but you’d never know it listening to Bros.

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Sir John Barron  May 18, 2018 • 9:42:22am

re: #476 HappyWarrior

She’s actually effective but you’d never know it listening to Bros.

No singlepayer Medicare for all!

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 9:43:08am

re: #474 Anymouse 🌹

My wife is watching YouTube videos on home tornado shelters. They debunk every “reasonable” suggestion (modified culvert pipe, modified septic tank, &c).

All of them fail for interior space and cost. Engineers suggest building your own.

What about some of those prefab ones?

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makeitstop  May 18, 2018 • 9:44:08am

re: #473 JordanRules

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That poor girl. She’s too young to have to go through any of this.

My heart breaks for those kids. And every kid who has to go through this shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:44:33am

re: #472 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

i cant find any serious votes where pelosi didnt get the job done. when we had the majority she passed what needed passing. in the minority she did boehner and ryan’s work in keeping the govt open and out of default. this is why they hate her. she’s good.

Paul Ryan is just running out the clock on his remaining time anyway, is he not?

I can’t find the final vote on the Agriculture Bill. I’d like to know how my rep voted (especially if it was against the bill).

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2018 • 9:44:52am

re: #453 ObserverArt

So, a sheriff deputy was also shot (apparently still alive). And 8 (to 10?) kids have been killed. How effective is a policeman anyway? Sure, he may have brought it to an end…but we still have 8 or more deaths.

They are also saying there were explosives (bombs) found.

The cops stopped this mass shooting the same way that one civilian with an AR stopped that church massacre after the killer shot himself.

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 9:46:15am

re: #473 JordanRules

The new normal.

Of course, it shouldn’t be.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:47:30am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 18, 2018 • 9:47:33am

re: #468 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Daily the man puts on display what a complete and utter fucking moron he is.

It’s all about the ratings. You get rating from surprising people. Don’t bother with a discussion, just bring out the next contestant applicant sucker.

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 9:47:58am

re: #479 makeitstop

That poor girl. She’s too young to have to go through any of this.

My heart breaks for those kids. And every kid who has to go through this shit.

Yeah it is sad, and the saddest point she made is she more than half expected it to happen.

I don’t know if I could go to school knowing the chances are 50/50 there would be a shooting.

This fucking country cannot even guarantee basic safety any longer.

What the hell are we doing?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2018 • 9:51:10am

re: #474 Anymouse 🌹

My wife is watching YouTube videos on home tornado shelters. They debunk every “reasonable” suggestion (modified culvert pipe, modified septic tank, &c).

All of them fail for interior space and cost. Engineers suggest building your own.

I would think burying a section of culvert, and and sealing one end while fashioning a steel bulkhead & door on the other would work

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 9:53:33am

re: #485 ObserverArt

Sadly, the probability that there will be a shoot at a school each week is 1. We just don’t know which school.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:54:07am

re: #486 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I would think burying a section of culvert, and and sealing one end while fashioning a steel bulkhead & door on the other would work

The engineering video she is watching notes such a culvert section can be collapsed in a tornado with you inside.

They suggest rebar reinforced poured concrete.

In the meantime, the NWS has updated our weather report for “severe thunderstorms” this afternoon, oh joy.

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BlueGrl21  May 18, 2018 • 9:54:13am

Here’s the thing about Santa Fe….that is about as red an area as you will ever find. They are wall to wall Trump supporters. They are a very, very Conservative country area. Everyone has guns. When stories start coming out about the town of Santa Fe this will be very obvious. They have had issues with housing discrimination and the Klan is still there. This is not an urban stronghold or a liberal bastion.

They all have guns and church and family values.

Didn’t make a bit of difference.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 9:54:28am

re: #467 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The German word for roof is Dach The word for construction is Bau, and conversion is an Ausbau

So I saw a truck parked outside for a company that did attic conversions, in German Dachausbau and thought “Didn’t they stop building Dachaus a long time ago?”

I though Dach meant “floor”—like in Dachshund=”floor-dog”.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 9:55:58am

I want to talk about flag and gun guy for a minute.

On some level, he thinks he’s helping, and I thinks it’s an interesting display of the base assumptions he and people like him have about themselves, and society in general.

When I say—and I do, often—that there are people that view themselves as axiomatically the “good guy”…well, this is what it looks like. He’s not thinking about how he’s a stranger relative to the people passing by him, or in the school (though an hour later, I doubt the kids are about), or seeing him on social media next to the school as they worry about their kids who go to that school.

The presumption is that he can’t be “read” by other people as anything but being helpful, that he can’t be perceived as a threat. This is a thing we see over and over again, built into NRA at the bottom floor.

Notice I’m not taking the piss out of this man’s choices. This is not the time for smugness and mockery. This is serious; this is a metonym for a style of thinking we have to attend to.

Why is his base assumption he would be read as “safe” even though he is an armed stranger?

Well, I think the answer is the way he’s got a MAGA hat and a flag…and I don’t mean that as some kind of political shit talk. To him, the gun, flag, and hat are a set. They signify, and that other people don’t read them as symbols in the same way just isn’t something that registers.

This is entirely in line with what’s unhealthy about US gun culture; it’s not the ownership by itself, the expanded narrative of what it means to carry a firearm and what it means to object to people carrying a firearm. This man is trying to do something good, but he’s demanding that the people he’s helping accept his presumptions, most especially the idea that his intentions can’t be doubted.

And I think this is important, because it goes back to my ongoing observation that this is about things beyond ideology, into the realm of epistemology.

To this man, his symbol set is True. The gun and the flag and the hat means he’s one of the good guys. That someone might not see those signifiers the same way isn’t a valid option. It’s either a sign of stupidity or malice.

What unifies the reactionaries collaborating right now is the way that in different facets they have the same relationship to ideas: whatever they feel the meaning is, that is the true meaning, and other perceptions are invalid. This is present in their approach to science, exegesis, social critique, et cetera.

And furthermore—and this is where shit gets important and kind of scary—it is their right to modify and contextualize meaning such that nothing is generalizable (in the Categorical Imperative sense). Distinction based on affiliation is superordinate to universal principles, and external displays of affiliation are how that discernment is made.

The presumption of this man, and people like him, that they “read” as safe, would not be extended to people who do not perform identity the same way.

What seems to be hypocrisy is actually a consistency using a different criteria set. One that we should all worry about, because it’s essentially tribal, but also because it’s hack-able. Symbol-value and performance of identity are exploitable, which is why scams generally start by leveraging an existing affiliation or setting up a new system of affiliation bonds (complete with new signifiers…think about how MLM setups create an appealing internal culture, replete with praise and rewards and little rituals…that’s what I’m getting at).

And I hate to say this, but…this is how otherwise good people suddenly get caught up in putting heads on pikes. You can retain the shallow markers—the signifiers—while deforming the values and deep meanings—the signified—and people will go along with it. Immoral things become moral by changing fixed principles while denying they’ve changed. And at some point, that makes cruelty an option, as you “define” people as outside of norms such that they deserve empathy or recognition as fellow people.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 9:56:41am

re: #489 BlueGrl21

Here’s the thing about Santa Fe….that is about as red an area as you will ever find. They are wall to wall Trump supporters. They are a very, very Conservative country area. Everyone has guns. When stories start coming out about the town of Santa Fe this will be very obvious. They have had issues with housing discrimination and the Klan is still there. This is not an urban stronghold or a liberal bastion.

They all have guns and church and family values.

Didn’t make a bit of difference.

Disgruntled kid of librul hippies.

Proof we need more armed wingnuts in our schools to keep our chil’uns safe.

It’s never about the guns.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:56:46am

re: #485 ObserverArt

What the hell are we doing?

Russia’s wettest dream.

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 9:57:55am

re: #489 BlueGrl21

Here’s the thing about Santa Fe….that is about as red an area as you will ever find. They are wall to wall Trump supporters. They are a very, very Conservative country area. Everyone has guns. When stories start coming out about the town of Santa Fe this will be very obvious. They have had issues with housing discrimination and the Klan is still there. This is not an urban stronghold or a liberal bastion.

They all have guns and church and family values.

Didn’t make a bit of difference.

What do you think will happen? Will this change anything?

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 9:58:17am
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2018 • 9:58:23am

re: #494 MsJ

Never.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 9:59:57am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:00:12am

re: #491 The Ghost of a Flea

Shorter assessment: Conservatism is a religion. When you oppose religion, you are a heretic. You must be silenced or destroyed if you can’t be brought back into the fold.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:01:05am

re: #494 MsJ

What do you think will happen? Will this change anything?

Backbacks and more armed guards. Hell, they might go ahead and try to arm some teachers. When I finally see some proof of them not doubling down then I will imagine other less sociopathic possibilities.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 18, 2018 • 10:01:06am

HAI LIZARDIA!
My daughter is visiting from Israel with her oldest daughter (who’s celebrating her Bat Mitzvah this week) and li’l baby (named for my late mother).
They went shopping but when they come home we’ll make pie!

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:02:06am

re: #497 Dave In Austin

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 10:02:23am

re: #493 MsJ

Russia’s wettest dream.

Shows you how scared they are of WOLVERINES!!!, doesn’t it?

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makeitstop  May 18, 2018 • 10:02:33am

re: #500 The Vicious Babushka

HAI LIZARDIA!
My daughter is visiting from Israel with her oldest daughter (who’s celebrating her Bat Mitzvah this week) and li’l baby (named for my late mother).
They went shopping but when they come home we’ll make pie!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:02:43am

re: #500 The Vicious Babushka

She looks just like you! /s

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rhuarc  May 18, 2018 • 10:03:41am

re: #501 JordanRules

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Expect Randy’s contributions to be increased by the Russian NRA. Have to counteract those civil terrorists.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:04:17am

re: #501 JordanRules

Conservatives will sell their children cheaply to gain or maintain power.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:04:37am

re: #505 rhuarc

Expect Randy’s contributions to be increased by the Russian NRA. Have to counteract those civil terrorists.

Russian NRA. I like that.

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Skip Intro  May 18, 2018 • 10:05:38am

re: #439 Interesting Times

Emma Gonzalez weighs in. I’ll never cease to be moved and amazed by how her words cut right to the heart of the matter:

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Infowars readers know the real scoop.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:05:38am

re: #476 HappyWarrior

She’s actually effective but you’d never know it listening to Bros.

And our Corporate Censored Conservative Press keeps saying she’s ineffective.

I still treasure the time Nancy smacked down Asshole Luke Russert and eventually drove that incompetent ass out of the stenography business!

Nancy Pelosi Chides NBC’s Luke Russert For Asking ‘Offensive’ Question About Her Age

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 10:05:47am

re: #507 JordanRules

Russian NRA. I like that.

Change the “N” to “Narodnaya”.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 10:06:16am

re: #491 The Ghost of a Flea

The thing is, this is shit everyone does to some degree.

“I know that guy, he’s okay because we’re into the same stuff” is standard fallacy. The bigger leap of “we are of the same substance, I find it hard to believe things that signify me could connect (through a like-me person) to horrible shit” is also normal, even if it gets pathological and gross pretty fast (see: Joe Paterno apologism).

But we have a societal movement right now in which the “truth” of shallow signifiers is specifically being elevated over other kinds of “truth.”

Just yesterday there was display of non-scientist politicians trolling a scientist about his field by spraying counterfactuals and flat “counterintuitive” claims with no attempt to refine their own thinking: like if someone believed all the different stuff they claimed in a Gish Gallop.

Again, this applies to more than one part of the reactionary “base”: in different issues, they use the same just-so story epistemology. If they sit around and tell each other a narrative, it becomes the truth.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 10:06:45am

Bon Fire!!!

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CongoJack  May 18, 2018 • 10:07:33am

re: #500 The Vicious Babushka

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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 10:07:44am

re: #443 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I believe the RWNJs answer would fall more along the lines of “see, that daycare fer mah kids is dumb. I’ll just homeschool Kletus, Jr.”

Some folk will never eat a skunk,
But then again, some folk’ll
Like Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel!

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 10:08:15am
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 10:08:36am

re: #500 The Vicious Babushka

HAI LIZARDIA!
My daughter is visiting from Israel with her oldest daughter (who’s celebrating her Bat Mitzvah this week) and li’l baby (named for my late mother).
They went shopping but when they come home we’ll make pie!

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Skip Intro  May 18, 2018 • 10:09:10am

re: #512 Dave In Austin

Bon Fire!!!

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Oh dear, the prayers didn’t work. AGAIN!

What’s plan B Randy?

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 10:11:46am

Another day in America. I’m too numb to react to yet another spectacle of wanton carnage involving children in this country. Thoughts and prayers DO NOT work FFS!

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 10:12:23am

re: #517 Skip Intro

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2018 • 10:13:10am

re: #517 Skip Intro

Oh dear, the prayers didn’t work. AGAIN!

What’s plan B Randy?

Something something arm the teachers.

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 10:13:11am

There’s no way I could ever avoid the news when this happens in my home state.

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 10:13:33am

re: #491 The Ghost of a Flea

I want to talk about flag and gun guy for a minute.

On some level, he thinks he’s helping, and I thinks it’s an interesting display of the base assumptions he and people like him have about themselves, and society in general.

When I say—and I do, often—that there are people that view themselves as axiomatically the “good guy”…well, this is what it looks like. He’s not thinking about how he’s a stranger relative to the people passing by him, or in the school (though an hour later, I doubt the kids are about), or seeing him on social media next to the school as they worry about their kids who go to that school.

The presumption is that he can’t be “read” by other people as anything but being helpful, that he can’t be perceived as a threat. This is a thing we see over and over again, built into NRA at the bottom floor.

Notice I’m not taking the piss out of this man’s choices. This is not the time for smugness and mockery. This is serious; this is a metonym for a style of thinking we have to attend to.

Why is his base assumption he would be read as “safe” even though he is an armed stranger?

Well, I think the answer is the way he’s got a MAGA hat and a flag…and I don’t mean that as some kind of political shit talk. To him, the gun, flag, and hat are a set. They signify, and that other people don’t read them as symbols in the same way just isn’t something that registers.

This is entirely in line with what’s unhealthy about US gun culture; it’s not the ownership by itself, the expanded narrative of what it means to carry a firearm and what it means to object to people carrying a firearm. This man is trying to do something good, but he’s demanding that the people he’s helping accept his presumptions, most especially the idea that his intentions can’t be doubted.

And I think this is important, because it goes back to my ongoing observation that this is about things beyond ideology, into the realm of epistemology.

To this man, his symbol set is True. The gun and the flag and the hat means he’s one of the good guys. That someone might not see those signifiers the same way isn’t a valid option. It’s either a sign of stupidity or malice.

What unifies the reactionaries collaborating right now is the way that in different facets they have the same relationship to ideas: whatever they feel the meaning is, that is the true meaning, and other perceptions are invalid. This is present in their approach to science, exegesis, social critique, et cetera.

And furthermore—and this is where shit gets important and kind of scary—it is their right to modify and contextualize meaning such that nothing is generalizable (in the Categorical Imperative sense). Distinction based on affiliation is superordinate to universal principles, and external displays of affiliation are how that discernment is made.

The presumption of this man, and people like him, that they “read” as safe, would not be extended to people who do not perform identity the same way.

What seems to be hypocrisy is actually a consistency using a different criteria set. One that we should all worry about, because it’s essentially tribal, but also because it’s hack-able. Symbol-value and performance of identity are exploitable, which is why scams generally start by leveraging an existing affiliation or setting up a new system of affiliation bonds (complete with new signifiers…think about how MLM setups create an appealing internal culture, replete with praise and rewards and little rituals…that’s what I’m getting at).

And I hate to say this, but…this is how otherwise good people suddenly get caught up in putting heads on pikes. You can retain the shallow markers—the signifiers—while deforming the values and deep meanings—the signified—and people will go along with it. Immoral things become moral by changing fixed principles while denying they’ve changed. And at some point, that makes cruelty an option, as you “define” people as outside of norms such that they deserve empathy or recognition as fellow people.

And what happens the moment someone uses the same symbols, or is a practitioner of the very thinking and uses those symbols to show they are safe and those symbols become a protection for someone with flag and hat and guns to have better access to go haywire and become a spree shooter themselves?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 10:14:09am

re: #490 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I though Dach meant “floor”—like in Dachshund=”floor-dog”.

Dachs is German for “badger”, and a Dachshund is a badger-hunting dog, hence the wiener shape.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 10:14:27am

re: #517 Skip Intro

Randy’s up for reelection this year

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 10:15:04am

re: #498 Anymouse 🌹

Not exactly.

Religions can create a basic set of premises and try to stick to them. They get into fights about orthodoxy because they struggle with meaning. That creates a lot of societal ugliness, but it’s a different kind of ugliness than this.

This is more like what distinguishes cult behavior from religious behavior: in the former, veracity emanates from affiliation and hierarchy within the affiliation group, such that “truth” becomes entirely flexible. Basically, there is no attempt to maintain a text from which meaning is derived. It’s conjuring with a book—invoking the title, dropping the one-liner quotes—rather than citing it.

Religions are fucked up because they have belief systems and they grind shit to kibble trying to enforce those beliefs. This is having no belief system, only a ritual and material culture in which anything can be justified. It’s collective narcissism with a paste-on mustache.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 10:15:35am

re: #489 BlueGrl21

Here’s the thing about Santa Fe….that is about as red an area as you will ever find. They are wall to wall Trump supporters. They are a very, very Conservative country area. …

They all have guns and church and family values.

Didn’t make a bit of difference.

Obviously not enough guns, churches or deeply-held family values.

/

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 10:15:46am

re: #517 Skip Intro

Oh dear, the prayers didn’t work. AGAIN!

What’s plan B Randy?

They did work until Parkland, because they kept the spotlight away from the NRA and the guns.

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 10:15:58am

Let’s face it: GOP won’t give two shits about children being slaughtered mercilessly
unless they can use it to whip up massive anti-Muslim hysteria like they did with Manchester last year (in which the anniversary is creeping up come the 22nd).

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Scottish Dragon  May 18, 2018 • 10:16:06am

So this just happened at the high school still reeling from a mass shooting this morning…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 10:16:08am

re: #523 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dachs is German for “badger”, and a Dachshund is a badger-hunting dog, hence the wiener shape.

Ah. So Dach=deck is a “false friend”, eh?

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Eventual Carrion  May 18, 2018 • 10:17:21am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

More conservatives lying about the difference between civil and criminal violations, to keep their marks rubes religious worshipers voters confused:

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Get a speeding ticket, lose your kids. Why does Manafort still have his kids?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 10:17:27am

re: #493 MsJ

Russia’s wettest dream.

They found a weakness in our system of education and how we communicate and spread information and took advantage of it.

We are now so politically hapless that there is almost no opposition or interference in them pursuing their policies throughout the world.

This is not like the Cold War, where they are seeking to undermine our system to make us ripe for conquest, it is about to make us dysfunctional.

They are succeeding.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 10:17:28am

re: #529 Scottish Dragon

So this just happened at the high school still reeling from a mass shooting this morning…

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Yep. He isn’t goddamn helping.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:18:36am

re: #529 Scottish Dragon

So this just happened at the high school still reeling from a mass shooting this morning…

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We have video upthread. It’s disgusting.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2018 • 10:19:32am

re: #494 MsJ

What do you think will happen? Will this change anything?

Won’t change a damn thing. Things will only change if the electorate makes it a priority and votes all the NRA lackeys out of office.

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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 10:19:49am

re: #529 Scottish Dragon

So we know how it started:

Multiple fatalities were reported at a Texas high school on Friday after a 17-year-old student clad in a trench coat and armed with a gun barged inside a classroom and fired several shots, witnesses, police and law enforcement sources said.

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Skip Intro  May 18, 2018 • 10:20:14am

re: #520 Eclectic Cyborg

Something something arm the teachers.

The real problem is schools. Who needs them? They cost billions of dollars a year and turnout irreligious malcontents and wiseasses who think they can talk back to their betters.

The only book anybody needs is the bible, and you don’t need to be able to read that.

That’s what the churches are for, to tell you what’s in the bible and how you must obey it.

For thousands of years most people couldn’t read or write and there were no mass shootings back then.

Food for thought, is it not?

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 10:20:24am

re: #534 JordanRules

We have video upthread. It’s disgusting.

Which post #?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 10:20:36am

re: #530 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ah. So Dach=deck is a “false friend”, eh?

entirely different word, no connection that I know

unless you have badgers living in your attic

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:20:38am

Off the topic of yet another conservative blood sacrifice …

My wife looking into storm shelters informs me that every sort of installation she can find costs more than our house is worth (and when you install it, throw in the value of our car as well).

I suggested calling the village architect and see if he knows what to do.

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Skip Intro  May 18, 2018 • 10:21:10am

re: #524 Dave In Austin

Randy’s up for reelection this year

Well he did his job from the safety of his office.

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Scottish Dragon  May 18, 2018 • 10:22:06am
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Belafon  May 18, 2018 • 10:22:08am

re: #529 Scottish Dragon

Also, David:

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 10:22:13am

re: #529 Scottish Dragon

Cops have no way to know if the person is a threat or not - more guns at the scene means more delays in getting the scene secured and those injured rescued and treated.

The fucknut who comes in with a flag and gun is potentially delaying assistance to those in need because he needs to be the center of attention.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 10:22:19am

re: #526 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

From what I see Randy only got $1000 from the NRA. The safer you are the less you get.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 10:22:56am

re: #543 Belafon

I already sent him a note

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 10:23:31am

re: #542 Scottish Dragon

Cheap emotionalism?

Another 8 kids dead in a mass shooting and the GOP/right wing response is let’s keep doing the same thing or worse - let’s make even more guns available and present in schools as though that has solved any problem.

No. Just no.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:24:38am

re: #534 JordanRules

We have video upthread. It’s disgusting.

#367

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:24:50am

re: #533 HappyWarrior

Yep. He isn’t goddamn helping.

Texas is an open-carry state. Open-carry doesn’t discriminate against crime scenes.

It has been argued if African-Americans open carried weapons states would end those laws. It isn’t on African-Americans to make themselves targets of wingnuts with guns however.

The NRA wants to turn us into Somalia just so the manufacturers they represent can turn a profit. They don’t care if they bring down the country; their owners can leave.

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Scottish Dragon  May 18, 2018 • 10:25:23am

re: #544 lawhawk

Cops have no way to know if the person is a threat or not - more guns at the scene means more delays in getting the scene secured and those injured rescued and treated.

The fucknut who comes in with a flag and gun is potentially delaying assistance to those in need because he needs to be the center of attention.

The idiot walking onto a crime scene with a gun on his hip could have been shot down on the spot and any cop who opened fire would have well within their rights to do so as currently understood by the courts.

That may well be (and likely is) utterly wrong…but they could have shot him and they would absolutely not have been second guessed by their chain of command.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2018 • 10:26:09am

Time to put up that Onion article again…

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:26:26am

re: #550 Scottish Dragon

The idiot walking onto a crime scene with a gun on his hip could have been shot down on the spot and any cop who opened fire would have well within their rights to do so as currently understood by the courts.

That may well be (and likely is) utterly wrong…but they could have shot him and they would absolutely not have been second guessed by their chain of command.

He was white with a flag so he knew he was good I guess

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 10:27:44am

re: #550 Scottish Dragon

White guy, so they gave him benefit of doubt. That’s some mighty fine white privilege these gun toting guys (and they’re invariably guys) have.

If it was a minority (black or Latino), the odds increase exponentially that law enforcement would take harsher steps to secure the person, up to and including opening fire on them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:27:51am

Instead of the usual thoughts and prayers bullshit from the Normalizing Russian Autocracy toadies. why don’t they do something constructive and send these to be served at the funeral dinners for the kids executed in the name of the Iron Penis?

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2018 • 10:28:44am

re: #551 Eclectic Cyborg

Time to put up that Onion article again…

It is sadly evergreen.

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Scottish Dragon  May 18, 2018 • 10:28:53am

re: #491 The Ghost of a Flea

This this this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 18, 2018 • 10:28:54am

Hey, do anything often enough, and you’ll usually improve at it. He’s had lots of practice at this, and he’ll have a lot more, because IT’S NOT ABOUT FUCKING TONE! IT’S ABOUT FUCKING DOING SOMETHING!! and that, he will not do.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:28:59am

re: #551 Eclectic Cyborg

Time to put up that Onion article again…

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 10:29:19am

re: #553 lawhawk

White guy, so they gave him benefit of doubt. That’s some mighty fine white privilege these gun toting guys (and they’re invariably guys) have.

If it was a minority (black or Latino), the odds increase exponentially that law enforcement would take harsher steps to secure the person, up to and including opening fire on them.

Yeah, but the thing is the majority of perps in these mass shootings incidents are white guys.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 10:30:17am

re: #530 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ah. So Dach=deck is a “false friend”, eh?

so you sent me scrambling to look up a connection and it seems that Dach for roof and Dachs for badger are distantly etymologically related, in that badgers “build” tunnels as we “build” roofs…

Dachau I gather means “Badger Island”

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:30:49am

re: #559 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, but the thing is the majority of perps in these mass shootings incidents are white guys.

That’s the gag. It doesn’t even matter.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 10:31:42am
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 18, 2018 • 10:32:00am

re: #559 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, but the thing is the majority of perps in these mass shootings incidents are white guys.

What is it about white culture that produced these predators? Is it the jungle beat of their Easy Listening music? Is it the lack of police stops for no reason giving them a sense of invincibility?

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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 10:32:25am

re: #528 electrotek

Let’s face it: GOP won’t give two shits about children being slaughtered mercilessly
unless they can use it to whip up massive anti-Muslim hysteria like they did with Manchester last year (in which the anniversary is creeping up come the 22nd).

They always give two shits.

1. Thoughts.
2. Prayers.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:33:37am

re: #528 electrotek

Let’s face it: GOP won’t give two shits about children being slaughtered mercilessly
unless they can use it to whip up massive anti-Muslim hysteria like they did with Manchester last year (in which the anniversary is creeping up come the 22nd).

They still bowed down to their Normalizing Russian Autocracy masters even after they were shot at.

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 10:33:50am

re: #563 Blind Frog Belly White

What is it about white culture that produced these predators? Is it the jungle beat of their Easy Listening music? Is it the lack of police stops for no reason giving them a sense of invincibility?

Hey hey hey, don’t talk down on jungle (at least the British variety).

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2018 • 10:34:39am

re: #558 JordanRules

How sad is we now have a mass shooting checklist? Everytime one happens you can just start ticking boxes:

- Onion article
- Thoughts and Prayers
- “Guns don’t kill people!”
- NRA demonizing victims
- Shooter was a terrorist
- Shooter was a liberal
- Shooter was a liberal terrorist
- Shooter was mentally ill

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 10:34:45am
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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 10:34:53am
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 18, 2018 • 10:35:34am

re: #522 ObserverArt

And what happens the moment someone uses the same symbols, or is a practitioner of the very thinking and uses those symbols to show they are safe and those symbols become a protection for someone with flag and hat and guns to have better access to go haywire and become a spree shooter themselves?

We’ve seen how that plays out: you claim it’s false until you can’t anymore, then retroactively establish they weren’t Of The Body in the first place.

Every time there’s a shooter, there’s immediately a story about how they’re actually a liberal, that all mass shooters are. But there’s also a story in which the shooting didn’t happen, and the shooting happened because of antidepressants/video games/lack of Jesus.

Basically, on Twitter we see a very fast version of what Leon Festinger described in “When Prophecy Fails.” With a side order of both sincere and cynical peddling of Stab In The Back mythology.

Basically, they’ll never be wrong because their central concepts are hollow. If a “family” is fucked up, it’s No True Family. If it’s their abortion, it’s different than all those evil whore abortions. The distinction is the only rule. And some people will not confront this even when there’s a body count.

Philando Castile is a recent example of how this is all about constant re-framing. He’s the opposite of flag and gun guy…in some way deserving on being shot in spite of all the details that suggest maybe he didn’t deserve to be shot. If there was truly a consistent standard, then these folks should be upset about Philando Castile, or at least acknowledge it as tragic or an error. But rather the NRA et al have found their out, such that his death is a breach of their fear of (1) authority figures striking out at gun owners, (2) more generally, abuse of power by “the government,” etc.

Same thing…Trayvon Martin versus George Zimmerman. For the latter to be “the good guy” as opposed to “just a guy who fucked up” or “a guy who maybe shouldn’t be following a kid at night” you have to keep an inconsistent standard of what constistutes threat…and that is exactly what’s happened.

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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 10:36:15am

re: #567 Eclectic Cyborg

Add to that conspiracy theory
Crisis actors!
They’re gonna take ur gunz away!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:36:21am

re: #563 Blind Frog Belly White

What is it about white culture that produced these predators? Is it the jungle beat of their Easy Listening music? Is it the lack of police stops for no reason giving them a sense of invincibility?

It’s them evil Rock & Roll records with them Satanic messages when you play them backwards!

Led Zeppelin Backward Masking 1983 (Televangelist)

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 10:36:30am

re: #563 Blind Frog Belly White

What is it about white culture that produced these predators? Is it the jungle beat of their Easy Listening music? Is it the lack of police stops for no reason giving them a sense of invincibility?

I blame Kenny G.

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Interesting Times  May 18, 2018 • 10:36:34am

re: #565 Joe Bacon 🌹

They still bowed down to their Normalizing Russian Autocracy masters even after they were shot at.

Good one! I also think that we shouldn’t utter those vile initials unless they’re accompanied by one or more of the following:

Russian-funded NRA
Putin-owned NRA
NRA Death Cult

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:37:01am

re: #566 electrotek

Hey hey hey, don’t talk down on jungle (at least the British variety).

That is an allusion to black music being called jungle music back in the day as a derogatory and dehumanizing effort to remind folks they were from the dark continent and were animals.

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jaunte  May 18, 2018 • 10:37:15am
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lawhawk  May 18, 2018 • 10:37:50am

Suspect identified in the shooting:

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MsJ  May 18, 2018 • 10:39:04am

re: #557 Blind Frog Belly White

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Hey, do anything often enough, and you’ll usually improve at it. He’s had lots of practice at this, and he’ll have a lot more, because IT’S NOT ABOUT FUCKING TONE! IT’S ABOUT FUCKING DOING SOMETHING!! and that, he will not do.

What he said was not appropriate in any way. “Doesn’t look good” is not something a president says. A sane president waits for information.

Jesus fucking Christ. This is how low the presidency has gone…that this is appropriate.

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jaunte  May 18, 2018 • 10:39:28am
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austin_blue  May 18, 2018 • 10:39:42am

re: #459 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

How much worse could it have been?

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1h
Replying to @CBSNews
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he is on his way to Santa Fe High School and will be briefed on the shooting soon cbsn.ws pic.twitter.com

He won’t get far on foot.

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 10:39:53am

re: #576 jaunte

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Why can’t Twitter fucking ban that piece of trash already?

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 10:40:21am

re: #577 lawhawk

Suspect identified in the shooting:

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Greek guy? Oh man.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 10:40:27am

re: #577 lawhawk

Suspect identified in the shooting:

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Oh
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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:41:13am
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jaunte  May 18, 2018 • 10:41:56am

re: #580 austin_blue

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he is on his way to Santa Fe High School and will be briefed on the shooting soon

Maybe he’ll revive the Jade Helm paranoia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 10:42:35am

re: #544 lawhawk

Cops have no way to know if the person is a threat or not - more guns at the scene means more delays in getting the scene secured and those injured rescued and treated.

The fucknut who comes in with a flag and gun is potentially delaying assistance to those in need because he needs to be the center of attention.

I guess I need to just save these rants to plug in: If you want to defend yourself or your home with a gun, I guess that is your good right and nobody is threatening that.

But to deal with a live shooter in a public place you need training, experience, nerves of steel and good situational awareness. That is not a skills set you can purchase over the counter at the local sporting goods store, so stop pretending you can do any more good than harm.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 10:42:49am

re: #576 jaunte

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Canada isn’t sending their best. They’re sending cheap Coulter knock offs.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:42:56am
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ObserverArt  May 18, 2018 • 10:43:37am

re: #557 Blind Frog Belly White

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Hey, do anything often enough, and you’ll usually improve at it. He’s had lots of practice at this, and he’ll have a lot more, because IT’S NOT ABOUT FUCKING TONE! IT’S ABOUT FUCKING DOING SOMETHING!! and that, he will not do.

Nothing against anyone that posts Tom Nichols’ tweets, but I for one am sick of seeing them and him. I think he has one of the most thick-headed conservative takes anywhere.

And yes, I know he has all kinds of credentials and is intelligent and a great conservative voice and never Trumper and all that BS.

I see him as a reality denying excuse maker that does nothing of worth but think liberals are crybabies that have only one take on anything.

Fuck that guy!

(I feel a little better now)

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 10:44:13am

re: #587 HappyWarrior

Canada isn’t sending their best. They’re sending cheap Coulter knock offs.

She’s from Arizona, not Canada.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:44:18am

Seeing this again turned my stomach.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2018 • 10:44:58am

Push

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jaunte  May 18, 2018 • 10:46:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 18, 2018 • 10:47:39am

re: #568 lawhawk

Not even a month ago, students at Santa Fe High School took part in a walkout to protest gun violence.

With signs that read “Santa Fe High School SAYS #NeverAgain,” they sat outside for 17 minutes of silence.

and I wonder how many negative comments they got for being whiny teenagers who should be back in class, etc…

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BigPapa  May 18, 2018 • 10:47:55am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:47:57am

re: #547 lawhawk

Cheap emotionalism?

Another 8 kids dead in a mass shooting and the GOP/right wing response is let’s keep doing the same thing or worse - let’s make even more guns available and present in schools as though that has solved any problem.

No. Just no.

One of the reasons I call conservatism a religion.

Religion doesn’t change with new information. It has icons (guns) and mantras (good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns, cutting taxes improves the economy and raises revenue, &c), heretics and unbelievers (those who accept evidence for claims), &c. It has saints (Ronald of Reagan, Barry of Goldwater, &c). It opposes critical thinking because that leads to heresy.

It has sacrifices (whether they are the poor, immigrants, or dead students) to preserve the favour of the gods (donors such as the NRA and multinational businesses).

It has holy books that just like other religions, adherents don’t comprehend or cherry-pick (Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations, the Constitution, &c).

It has always been thus, in every nation, at all times. And when that religious faith gets its grip on power, it will always take the nation down with it before it gives it up.

Non-conservatives (in my view) need to approach conservatism as if it was a religion. It needs to be treated as any other faith without evidence for its claims (and a whole lot of evidence against those claims).

I don’t even rise to the level of Cassandra though.

It excommunicates those who question the claims of conservatism.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 10:48:38am

re: #590 electrotek

She’s from Arizona, not Canada.

Oops. I mixed her up with some other idiot. Sorry.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 10:49:23am

re: #591 JordanRules

Seeing this again turned my stomach.

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Abbott is such a miserable pos.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:50:08am

re: #595 BigPapa

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Rest assured that someone WHO WILL NOT BE NAMED shall allege that he was a good person…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2018 • 10:50:28am

re: #587 HappyWarrior

Canada isn’t sending their best. They’re sending cheap Coulter knock offs.

Well most of our best can see right through Trump and are more than happy to just stay in Canada for now.

But some of us are here trying to make things better. :)

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 10:51:20am

re: #600 Eclectic Cyborg

Well most of our best can see right through Trump and are more than happy to just stay in Canada for now.

But some of us are here trying to make things better. :)

She’s not Canadian. I’m making fun of Trump anyhow Kim.

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jaunte  May 18, 2018 • 10:53:01am

re: #595 BigPapa

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2018 • 10:53:09am

re: #597 HappyWarrior

Oops. I mixed her up with some other idiot. Sorry.

Lauren Southern. Another one from the pretty blonde conservative factory.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 18, 2018 • 10:53:36am

re: #560 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so you sent me scrambling to look up a connection and it seems that Dach for roof and Dachs for badger are distantly etymologically related, in that badgers “build” tunnels as we “build” roofs…

Dachau I gather means “Badger Island”

My Indo-European cognate was wrong, too, From Wiktionary:

From Old High German dah, from Proto-Germanic *þaką; compare German Low German Dack, Dutch dak, English thack, thatch, Danish tag. Ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *teg-, and akin to Latin toga (“garment”) and Ancient Greek στέγος (stégos, “roof”).

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 10:54:25am

re: #602 jaunte

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Lol they’re pathetic. No anarchist would wear a HRC hat.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2018 • 10:54:42am

re: #603 Eclectic Cyborg

Lauren Southern. Another one from the pretty blonde conservative factory.

D’oh yes.

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 10:55:02am

re: #602 jaunte

I already reported that to FB as a fake account.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 10:55:50am

re: #588 JordanRules

Another conservative who would have kicked me as a homeless disabled vet, or simply said “I was mentally ill” or “I was worthless” or I should “pull myself up by my bootstraps.”

You might have guessed I despise with every fiber of my being every last tenet of conservative religion.

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jaunte  May 18, 2018 • 10:56:40am

re: #607 Dr Lizardo

Looks like FB is taking the page down and whoever the poster is, is putting it back up again.

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makeitstop  May 18, 2018 • 10:57:45am

re: #566 electrotek

Hey hey hey, don’t talk down on jungle (at least the British variety).

No worries. That gun guy probably listens to Classic Rock.

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Dr Lizardo  May 18, 2018 • 10:58:20am

re: #609 jaunte

Looks like FB is taking the page down and whoever the poster is, is putting it back up again.

Aaaannnd……reported again.

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JordanRules  May 18, 2018 • 10:58:41am

re: #611 Dr Lizardo

Aaaannnd……reported again.

Thank you!!

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electrotek  May 18, 2018 • 11:01:33am

re: #603 Eclectic Cyborg

Lauren Southern. Another one from the pretty blonde conservative factory.

Don’t forget Nazi Barbie doll Faith Goldy, who holds the dubious distinction of being fired from The Rebel of all places after appearing on a neo-Nazi podcast after Charlottesville.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2018 • 11:02:11am

re: #611 Dr Lizardo

Aaaannnd……reported again.

Any putative benefit of Facebook (I can contact my family and share photos, catch up with old friends, &c) is belied by the fact it is being used to tear apart our country.

Yet Facebook users who find benefit from it will defend it as fiercely as gun nuts defend arsenals.

Both are poison.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 18, 2018 • 11:08:48am

re: #595 BigPapa

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That page doesn’t exist. May have been a fake.

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Eventual Carrion  May 18, 2018 • 11:21:20am

re: #409 JordanRules

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And a gun “free” Australia has one every 22 years. Stupid Australians.

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gocart mozart  May 18, 2018 • 11:38:11am

re: #572 Joe Bacon 🌹

Lovely people , the Crouches.

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steve_davis  May 18, 2018 • 12:39:28pm

re: #457 Anymouse 🌹

I just got off the telephone with Wildcat Roofing and Firearms Supply (they’re the roofer around here). Waiting on a call back to see when they can come out and look at my roof.

They’ve been pretty busy after the tornado.

are you kidding me? wildcat roofing and firearms supply? that’s like texas drilling and brit milah services, or something.

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steve_davis  May 18, 2018 • 1:19:39pm

re: #572 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s them evil Rock & Roll records with them Satanic messages when you play them backwards!

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our rhythm guitarist at the time, of southern baptist roots, got prayed for on one of these evangelical “rock is evil” television shows. I have no idea why they were praying for the rhythm guitarist. They seriously needed to be praying for the lead guitarist. He was the one who was just absolutely wicked good.


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