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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2018 • 9:08:56pm

I’m sorry but this gif of Shaun King pretending like he smokes weed is funny to me.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 9:10:34pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

I really could care less if Shaun smokes weed or not.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 9:11:44pm

re: #2 wheat-dogg

I really could care less if Shaun smokes weed or not.

I could too but he’s advocating for full legalization which I’m on board with. I know he’s a bit obnoxious and certainly was as a BB but sometimes the guy gets it. I’m hoping he learns from 2016 in 2020.

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 9:12:44pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I could too but he’s advocating for full legalization which I’m on board with. I know he’s a bit obnoxious and certainly was as a BB but sometimes the guy gets it. I’m hoping he learns from 2016 in 2020.

Maybe if he smokes enough, he’ll realize what a loser Bernie would have been.

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teleskiguy  May 19, 2018 • 9:13:51pm

Charles, like, dude, you’re, like, just, too uptight, man.

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HappyWarrior  May 19, 2018 • 9:14:23pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

Maybe if he smokes enough, he’ll realize what a loser Bernie would have been.

Ha! Can only hope. I really do think Bernie’s second act in 2020 is going to be a flop. I just hope it’s not enough to do damage. I do think four plus years will make some of his younger supporters maybe more wise. Speaking from experience, I was much more wise politically in 2008 than I was in 2004.

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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2018 • 9:17:44pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

Maybe if he smokes enough, he’ll realize what a loser Bernie would have been.

He needs to actually inhale first.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 19, 2018 • 9:27:58pm

Man I love Ze Frank videos. I’m so glad he’s making more.

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Barefoot Grin  May 19, 2018 • 9:28:18pm

Heading up from Tokyo to Nikkō on a day trip with some students. Bright clear blue skies out the windows of the local line. It’s nice to be away from American politics for a bit.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 19, 2018 • 9:28:59pm
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jaunte  May 19, 2018 • 9:29:20pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

Chill pill? This modern rhyming slang moves so fast it’s hard to keep up.

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TedStriker  May 19, 2018 • 9:30:04pm

re: #11 jaunte

Chill pill? This modern rhyming slang moves so fast it’s hard to keep up.

Don’t be a square, daddy-o!

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teleskiguy  May 19, 2018 • 9:31:27pm
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Romantic Heretic  May 19, 2018 • 9:31:51pm

One of the high points of my life was seeing an ant dairy farm.

I watched for an hour, got to see all the behaviours; milking, guarding against predators (which included me. One of the workers ran to the end of a leaf and gave me a threat display), grooming the herd.

Fascinating stuff.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  May 19, 2018 • 9:49:49pm

re: #354 wheat-dogg

Gator feed.

Trivia of the day: alligators can’t eat humans, we’re too salty. Crocodiles, on the other hand…

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wheat-dogg  May 19, 2018 • 9:52:11pm

re: #15 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Trivia of the day: alligators can’t eat humans, we’re too salty. Crocodiles, on the other hand…

Doesn’t stop gators from biting us, though.

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sagehen  May 19, 2018 • 9:53:42pm

I’m going to go out on a limb here and bet it’s somebody whose tax reduction from last fall’s Tax Bill is… more than $40M/year.

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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2018 • 9:56:36pm

Seriously, if Trump wants to fuck around Jeff should give him a free taste.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  May 19, 2018 • 10:00:10pm

re: #16 wheat-dogg

Doesn’t stop gators from biting us, though.

Only if they think you’re threatening them. They’d much rather lie around and conserve their energy.

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sagehen  May 19, 2018 • 10:02:43pm

re: #17 sagehen

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I’m going to go out on a limb here and bet it’s somebody whose tax reduction from last fall’s Tax Bill is… more than $40M/year.

$24.6 Million is…. 500 times the median family annual income.

And the donation came from… we have to guess who, because they’re not requiring disclosure.

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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2018 • 10:08:51pm

Yes, this too.

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austin_blue  May 19, 2018 • 10:32:39pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Seriously, if Trump wants to fuck around Jeff should give him a free taste.

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The Fun Fact is that Bezos could buy and sell Drumpf 30 times. I would love for him to buy all of Drumpf’s loans and call in the paper.

“The King of Debt” would immediately become The Pauper in the White House.

That would be kinda sweet!

Ah, these dreams we have…

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teleskiguy  May 19, 2018 • 10:34:44pm

re: #23 austin_blue

Ah, these dreams we have…

Giphy

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teleskiguy  May 19, 2018 • 10:53:32pm

Thread. Explicitly involving a Lizard.

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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2018 • 10:53:40pm

re: #23 austin_blue

The Fun Fact is that Bezos could buy and sell Drumpf 30 times. I would love for him to buy all of Drumpf’s loans and call in the paper.

“The King of Debt” would immediately become The Pauper in the White House.

That would be kinda sweet!

Ah, these dreams we have…

The nice thing about my plan is that on its face it’s a purely non-partisan move, and overtly opposing it means coming out for voter suppression. It’s a way for Bezos to punch back in a way that’s both obvious to everyone and impossible for Trump and the GOP to effectively counter or protest against.

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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2018 • 10:54:55pm

This live view of the Kilauea vent fountain is nuts.

Live Video: Kilauea Lava Flow Activity In Lower Puna Hawaii

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teleskiguy  May 19, 2018 • 10:56:41pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Dude. Fountains of molten earth. That is wild.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 19, 2018 • 10:58:50pm

re: #28 teleskiguy

Dude. Fountains of molten earth. That is wild.

Has tRump said word fucking one about this?

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teleskiguy  May 19, 2018 • 11:01:13pm

re: #29 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, as far as I know.

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Single-handed sailor  May 19, 2018 • 11:26:04pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

That river of molten rock is moving downhill pretty fast, too.

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Single-handed sailor  May 19, 2018 • 11:34:49pm

Safety panel considers SpaceX “load-and-go” fueling approach viable

Members of a NASA safety panel said May 17 they believed that a SpaceX approach for fueling its Falcon 9 rockets known as “load-and-go” could be used for future commercial crew missions.

At the meeting of the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel (ASAP) at the Kennedy Space Center, panel member Brent Jett said he expected NASA’s commercial crew program would soon make a decision on the sequence of loading propellants and crew for SpaceX commercial crew missions.

That sequence has been a topic of controversy because of SpaceX’s preference to use an approach called “load-and-go” where astronauts would first board the Crew Dragon spacecraft before the rocket is loaded with RP-1 and liquid oxygen propellants. SpaceX has preferred that approach because of its use of dense supercooled propellants, which need to be loaded on the vehicle shortly before launch.

It is not agreed to yet and may not happen. I’m surprised that NASA would even consider it, that’s way outside their safety comfort zone.

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Cheechako  May 19, 2018 • 11:38:49pm

Every time I see the videos of streams of molten lava, I wonder how great it would be if you could spread that lava in a 12 inch thick ribbon and repave our highway system. When it cools, every road surface would be hard as a rock.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 19, 2018 • 11:42:23pm

re: #32 Single-handed sailor

Safety panel considers SpaceX “load-and-go” fueling approach viable

It is not agreed to yet and may not happen. I’m surprised that NASA would even consider it, that’s way outside their safety comfort zone.

I have found the whole attitude from NASA on this subject to be absolutely infuriating and hypocritical. They had no trouble with loading people onto the most dangerous vehicle of any sort ever devised—the Space Shuttle—and shooting them off, but this is a bridge too far? With the crew in a capsule on top with an escape system? Just settle down, you officious toads!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:43:04pm

re: #33 Cheechako

Every time I see the videos of streams of molten lava, I wonder how great it would be if you could spread that lava in a 12 inch thick ribbon and repave our highway system. When it cools, every road surface would be hard as a rock. all over the living room and hop from sofa to end table to chair

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austin_blue  May 19, 2018 • 11:45:22pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

The nice thing about my plan is that on its face it’s a purely non-partisan move, and overtly opposing it means coming out for voter suppression. It’s a way for Bezos to punch back in a way that’s both obvious to everyone and impossible for Trump and the GOP to effectively counter or protest against.

Well, Bezos owns WaPo, so he’s an Enemy of the State who publishes fake news, and he is trying to register illegal aliens to commit voter fraud with these instructions to Soros trained agents in the field. And he’s a Jew.

(“Wait, is Bezos even Jewish?” “Who cares! The base is gonna eat this stuff up! Let’s go with ‘Jew’.”)

And the base will.

So let’s just put Drumpf’s biggest vulnerability, the fact that his financing is a pyramid scheme, and attack it front and center and fuck him right up the ass.

Come on, Jeff! You can do it! It’s better than a Mars shot!

And I’m off to bed. Let’s see if ShitGibbonPrexy can spell his wife’s name tomorrow.

Maybe he’ll call his youngest son Barren.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2018 • 11:46:59pm

re: #36 austin_blue

Maybe he’ll call his youngest son Barren.

and his daughter’s name Ivantofuckyou

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austin_blue  May 19, 2018 • 11:48:58pm

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and his daughter’s name Ivantofuckyou

Wasn’t there a Russian porn star that by Ivana Fuckalot?

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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2018 • 11:49:01pm

re: #32 Single-handed sailor

Safety panel considers SpaceX “load-and-go” fueling approach viable

It is not agreed to yet and may not happen. I’m surprised that NASA would even consider it, that’s way outside their safety comfort zone.

I like Musk but this shit really irritates me.

“I think that issue has been somewhat overblown,” he said. “We certainly could load the propellants and then have the astronauts board Dragon. That is certainly something we could do. But I don’t think it’s going to be necessary, any more than passengers on an aircraft need to wait until the aircraft is full of fuel before boarding.”

Yeah Elon, because Jet A doesn’t auto-ignite until it reaches 410 degrees F and isn’t stored in pressurized tanks next to pressurized oxidizer.

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 12:05:53am

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

How much more would those Inconel tanks cost?

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 12:21:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 20, 2018 • 12:22:16am

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

I like Musk but this shit really irritates me.

“I think that issue has been somewhat overblown,” he said. “We certainly could load the propellants and then have the astronauts board Dragon. That is certainly something we could do. But I don’t think it’s going to be necessary, any more than passengers on an aircraft need to wait until the aircraft is full of fuel before boarding.”

He is a businessman and not a government agency.

I recall a discussion with some Space X lady on CNN about the difference in cost between private and NASA space flight. As if there could be a comparison. Without NASA there probably wold not be private space travel in our country right now.

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Dave In Austin  May 20, 2018 • 12:30:02am
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Ace-o-aces  May 20, 2018 • 12:39:07am
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BigPapa  May 20, 2018 • 12:42:42am

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Wowzers that’s a lot of lava.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2018 • 12:44:32am

A lot of Bob Dylan’s lyrics don’t make a whole lot of sense.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 20, 2018 • 12:50:04am

re: #46 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Quote this your Tweet with your possibly most controversial music opinion..

It’s all been downhill since the 90’s and the 90’s were just a rehash of the 70’s…

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 12:58:09am

I wish the USGS would produce a Google Earth KML file with this info overlaid on GE imagery.

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 1:13:09am

doh, repeat tweet

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 1:22:07am
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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 1:29:03am

re: #44 Ace-o-aces

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 1:50:09am

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

Really? They all sound the same.

edited to add /// for Nirvana fans

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 2:02:58am

re: #44 Ace-o-aces

Nirvana “Unplugged” was a better album than “Nevermind”.

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) May 20, 2018

I think that Yes’s “Close to the Edge” is a better album overall than “Fragile.” (I also got a radio station in Norfolk, VA to play the title track on a request once, though it was the middle of the night.)

The FDA warned of “homeopathic teething tablets and gels” being sold by outlets such as CVS with adverse reactions at the end of last year.

They updated the warning to note those contain wildly varying amounts of deadly nightshade (belladonna) and urge consumers to throw away any such products they have. The manufacturer has recalled the products.

fda.gov

Libertarians and libertarians want to get rid of the FDA to protect you from government interfering with the free market (doing things like killing you). This discovery would not have been made without the FDA.

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 2:29:17am
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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 2:33:56am

Reading: Types of Volcano Hazards

The boiling and reactions produce a large white plume, locally known as lava haze or laze, which contains a mixture of hydrochloric acid (HCl) and concentrated seawater.

Watch out for that concentrated seawater.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 20, 2018 • 2:51:08am

Lubbock’s epic drought finally ended tonight, with as much rainfall in one hour as in the entire preceding 7 months. There is also a lot of damage from hail the size of Smartcars. Okay, they really said golfball to baseball size, but I am always amused at the standard exaggeration of the size of hailstones. My favorite, also from a yokel Lubbock outlet, was “hen-size.” The clueless media droids had probably seen or heard “hen’s EGG size” and decided to re-use it without thinking about what it might really mean. The local scoffers and mockers, with myself in the vanguard, had a field day speculating about rooster, ostritch, and emu size hail.
(I did not link to the relevant Lubbock outlet because it has TWO obnoxious uncloseable video ads that run simultaneously, producing a cacophonous babble rarely heard this side of hell.)

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  May 20, 2018 • 3:11:21am

Pearl Jam is overrated

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William Lewis  May 20, 2018 • 3:20:13am

re: #57 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Pearl Jam is overrated

Now that’s just simple truth.

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 3:30:08am

Here’s the current live stream. They start a new stream every now and then:

Live Video: Kilauea Lava Flow Activity In Lower Puna Hawaii

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 3:35:44am

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Lubbock’s epic drought finally ended tonight, with as much rainfall in one hour as in the entire preceding 7 months. There is also a lot of damage from hail the size of Smartcars. Okay, they really said golfball to baseball size, but I am always amused at the standard exaggeration of the size of hailstones. My favorite, also from a yokel Lubbock outlet, was “hen-size.” The clueless media droids had probably seen or heard “hen’s EGG size” and decided to re-use it without thinking about what it might really mean. The local scoffers and mockers, with myself in the vanguard, had a field day speculating about rooster, ostritch, and emu size hail.
(I did not link to the relevant Lubbock outlet because it has TWO obnoxious uncloseable video ads that run simultaneously, producing a cacophonous babble rarely heard this side of hell.)

Regrettably, that much rain in a short amount of time runs off into rivers and such and does not sink into the ground to recharge the aquifer.

Much better for Lubbock would be showers for several days a little bit at a time.

If there was Smart-car sized hail, I’d be looking for a different place to live.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 20, 2018 • 3:42:27am

Just in! Freshly fallen half ton hailstone outside a Lubbock store!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 3:59:39am

In the previous thread, there are folks here who talk about hoarding computer cables.

You don’t know the half of it. Being married to a software engineer who worked for Digital Equipment in Quality Assurance, we have half a shed of computer cables and computer equipment, and part of a room in my house.

My wife doesn’t want to throw anything away: There might be a use for it in the future.

Speaking of computers, why does Windows 10 keep flashing a message every other day saying my anti-virus software (Defender and Spybot) are both turned off? Both of them when I open them tell me they are turned on.

My wife’s favourite computer song is by Frank Hayes’s album Don’t Ask, called “The S-100 Bus.” It’s about why everything is standardised and nothing works together.

Frank Hayes Don’t Ask 04 - S-100

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 4:00:22am

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Just in! Freshly fallen half ton hailstone outside a Lubbock store!

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Is that real?

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 4:01:19am
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Patricia Kayden  May 20, 2018 • 4:16:07am

re: #57 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Pearl Jam is overrated

Boo!!! Boo!!! Booo!!

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jeffreyw  May 20, 2018 • 4:37:23am

Imgur


Good morning!

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A Mom Anon  May 20, 2018 • 4:53:43am

re: #65 Patricia Kayden

Matt Cameron is an awesome drummer. Soundgarden really is seriously underrated too. But personal taste is, well, personal and your mileage is gonna vary.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 5:04:03am

re: #57 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Pearl Jam is overrated

I agree.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 20, 2018 • 5:04:18am

re: #66 jeffreyw

My sister is the family photographer (my niece was the one who studied photography at university, but we just nod at her stuff) and she got a new camera, a mumble, mumble and:

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Patricia Kayden  May 20, 2018 • 5:06:56am

re: #67 A Mom Anon

Matt Cameron is an awesome drummer. Soundgarden really is seriously underrated too. But personal taste is, well, personal and your mileage is gonna vary.

I’m joking around. I love a few Pearl Jam songs but otherwise don’t know much about the band except that the lead singer is gorgeous.

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steve_davis  May 20, 2018 • 5:07:18am

re: #22 Amory Blaine

Leah Vukmir stands by news release picturing Tammy Baldwin as member of ‘Team Terrorists’

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damnit, slandering ron jeremy is a bridge too far!

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jeffreyw  May 20, 2018 • 5:10:47am

re: #69 Colère Tueur de Lapin

My sister is the family photographer (my niece was the one who studied photography at university, but we just nod at her stuff) and she got a new camera, a mumble, mumble and:

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Nice! I love the way a strobe can isolate the subject in a freeze frame.

Imgur

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A Mom Anon  May 20, 2018 • 5:13:57am

re: #70 Patricia Kayden

Eddie Vedder is not aging normally, lol. He is adorable. I had a huge crush on him and Chris Cornell back in the day. Still do. I wish Chris was still here….:(

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 5:15:46am

Videographer finally zoomed out, and you can see the lava flowing downhill:

Live Video: Kilauea Lava Flow Activity In Lower Puna Hawaii

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 5:27:23am

In the various boycotts against businesses which conduct business with the NRA, this one flew under the radar from eleven days ago:

Lloyd’s of London Underwriters Told to Stop Insurance Linked to NRA (Reuters, more at the link):

LONDON (Reuters) - Lloyd’s of London [SOLYD.UL] said on Wednesday it would direct underwriters to terminate all insurance offered, marketed, endorsed or otherwise made available through the National Rifle Association of America.

The move comes after insurer Chubb (CB.N) was fined $1.3 million over its role in an NRA insurance program after an investigation found the NRA’s “Carry Guard” insurance program unlawfully provided liability insurance “to gun owners for acts of intentional wrongdoing”.

(more)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 5:30:56am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 5:41:08am

Texas Republican Unsure How Demanding His Children Marry White People Makes Him a Bigot (Wonkette)

Vic Cunningham is not denying that the clause exists, but is not really sure how it makes him a bigot. He explained to reporters that this clause was simply one of many “milestones” in which his children can get a distribution of their trust. Which, of course, makes it all very normal and not bigoted. He also says that his views have never affected any of his decisions as a judge.

“I strongly support traditional family values,” Cunningham explained to the Dallas Morning News. “If you marry a person of the opposite sex that’s Caucasian, that’s Christian, they will get a distribution.”

He also said that his views on this have “evolved” since he set up the trust in 2010, owing to his son’s relationship with a Vietnamese woman, but that he couldn’t do anything about the trust now.

That last paragraph in the quote is a direct lie. You can amend living trusts.

More at the link above.

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 5:47:56am

They zoomed in and panned the camera, to see the lava streaming down the hill:

Without a scale we can’t estimate velocity, but from the size of the shrubbery near the lava, the lava appears to flowing nearly as fast as a water stream down the hill.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 6:01:54am

“Florida Man” needs to be a category here.

Florida man facing federal charges after punching deaf pregnant woman and her service dog during airline freakout (Raw Story)

His case has been turned over to the FBI.

Hazel Ramirez and her husband, Matt Silva, are both deaf. They were flying from Colorado Springs to Orlando International Airport on Thursday when the incident occurred.

Upon landing, their 8-month-old service dog, a Great Dane name Zariel, woke up and stretched.

That’s when Timothy Manley allegedly punched the puppy with a closed fist. The animal reportedly yelped and hid under a seat.

Silva got mad at Manley for the punch.

“Unfortunately the man determined to leave so he ran and punched my belly then pushed my two daughters, they fell and cried so hard,” Ramirez wrote in a message to News 6.

(more)

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 6:03:40am

It’s now raining on the lava.

I find the sound of rain combined with the explosive fissures to be very relaxing.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 6:17:56am

re: #80 freetoken

It’s now raining on the lava.

I find the sound of rain combined with the explosive fissures to be very relaxing.

“Lava” doesn’t sound very soothing to me, no matter what’s falling on it. That stuff belongs inside the planet, not where rain can fall on it.

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 6:22:35am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

But it’s so primordial, it brings us back to our beginning. All very soothing in sound and view.

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 6:23:23am

That the subsurface temps of our planet are as high as they are is good evidence that radiogenic heating has been important to the Earth.

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 6:24:10am

re: #80 freetoken

It’s now raining on the lava.

I find the sound of rain combined with the explosive fissures to be very relaxing.

I can hear a rooster crowing.

Soothing nature sounds.

Well, you know, soothing in an apocalyptic sort of way.

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Nyet  May 20, 2018 • 6:24:39am
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:26:38am

re: #85 Nyet

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It just goes to show you Sergey how Bibi and his allies will do anything to retain power. I thought his showing more respect to Glenn Beck than President Obama was bad enough but this just shows you everything you need to know about the man and his allies.

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Varek Raith  May 20, 2018 • 6:40:40am

re: #85 Nyet

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Good freaking grief.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 6:56:48am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

It just goes to show you Sergey how Bibi and his allies will do anything to retain power. I thought his showing more respect to Glenn Beck than President Obama was bad enough but this just shows you everything you need to know about the man and his allies.

Feature of conservatism, not bug. Ditto Teresa May signing up with the wingnut religious party in Northern Ireland to retain power. Same with the Conservative Party in Canada.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:00:00am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

Feature of conservatism, not bug. Ditto Teresa May signing up with the wingnut religious party in Northern Ireland to retain power. Same with the Conservative Party in Canada.

No doubt but this is really something else. The Ulster Wingnuts are awful but an Israeli paling up with Neo Nazis really just says a lot.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 7:03:04am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

No doubt but this is really something else. The Ulster Wingnuts are awful but an Israeli paling up with Neo Nazis really just says a lot.

I am not familiar enough with Israeli politics to have an informed opinion, but if I had to guess it would be that Bibi (I can’t spell his name) thinks he can control them.

Very much like the GOP and the Tea Party. They wound up with two Nazis running for office under their banner.

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 7:04:15am

re: #57 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Pearl Jam is overrated

Their first two albums, particularly the second one “Versus,” were great. After that, not so much.

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 7:05:22am

re: #67 A Mom Anon

Matt Cameron is on of the best in the business. The fact that he played for both bands at the same time was incredible.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 7:06:01am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

In the various boycotts against businesses which conduct business with the NRA, this one flew under the radar from eleven days ago:

Lloyd’s of London Underwriters Told to Stop Insurance Linked to NRA (Reuters, more at the link):

(more)

Well that’s a good opportunity for Lloyds to go through someone else. Where there is no insurance, there can be no safety classes, or sporting facilities or even possession. That’s fine for those that want them to become a banned item from everyone save special police and military. But not at all realistic.

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 7:06:04am

Roger Stone just showed up on Meet the Chuck. * click *

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makeitstop  May 20, 2018 • 7:09:39am

re: #91 Ace Rothstein

Their first two albums, particularly the second one “Versus,” were great. After that, not so much.

I thought ‘Vitalogy’ had a couple of great songs on it. ‘Corduroy’ in particular is an amazing song.

And while I think parts of PJ are over-rated - I could never abide McCready’s Hendrix obsession, since he’s not really that good at it - other parts don’t get the props they deserve. Jeff Ament is a real good bass player, and without him most of that material would go nowhere. And Mom already mentioned Cameron.

And my most controversial musical opinion - Eddie Vedder is a lot better than prople give him credit for. Come at me.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:12:31am

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

I am not familiar enough with Israeli politics to have an informed opinion, but if I had to guess it would be that Bibi (I can’t spell his name) thinks he can control them.

Very much like the GOP and the Tea Party. They wound up with two Nazis running for office under their banner.

Absolutely.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 7:13:50am

re: #93 Unshaken Defiance

Well that’s a good opportunity for Lloyds to go through someone else. Where there is no insurance, there can be no safety classes, or sporting facilities or even possession. That’s fine for those that want them to become a banned item from everyone save special police and military. But not at all realistic.

No, what Lloyd’s is prohibiting is supporting the NRA’s personal insurance programme, specifically because an insurance underwriter for the NRA was offering insurance protection when the member specifically used a gun to commit a crime.

Off-topic, a couple days before the tornado here, the company the village contracted with for wireless Internet came to town to install their electrical panels and antennas on the water tower.

The tornado tore up their brand new equipment. We had to contact them to inform them of the damage; their new Internet service has not even started yet in the village.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 7:15:55am

re: #95 makeitstop

I thought ‘Vitalogy’ had a couple of great songs on it. ‘Corduroy’ in particular is an amazing song.

And while I think parts of PJ are over-rated - I could never abide McCready’s Hendrix obsession, since he’s not really that good at it - other parts don’t get the props they deserve. Jeff Ament is a real good bass player, and without him most of that material would go nowhere. And Mom already mentioned Cameron.

And my most controversial musical opinion - Eddie Vedder is a lot better than prople give him credit for. Come at me.

My Baby’s In Love With Eddie Vedder

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 7:18:19am

Shared that Kilauea livestream with a friend of mine over here and she writes back, “Wow that’s amazing CGI.”

LOL. When I told her it was real - and livestream - she’s all like “WHAT?!”

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MsJ  May 20, 2018 • 7:20:43am

Shit must be getting ready to go down. Trump is having an epic meltdown on Twitter.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 7:22:02am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

“The Lloyd’s Corporation has given very careful consideration as to whether syndicates at Lloyd’s should continue to insure programs offered, marketed, endorsed or otherwise made available through the National Rifle Association of America (NRA).

The above wording struck me as a broader decision than just personal insurance. But I will inquire and find the real policy impact.

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MsJ  May 20, 2018 • 7:23:32am
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MsJ  May 20, 2018 • 7:24:19am
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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 7:24:33am

re: #102 MsJ

Ah, the stench of fear. I can smell it all the way over here.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:25:33am

re: #102 MsJ

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Whiny bitch.

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sagehen  May 20, 2018 • 7:25:37am

re: #85 Nyet

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It’s because European neo-Nazis and Bibi Netanyahu are in agreement that all the Jews in Europe should move to Israel. American neo-Nazis like that idea as well.

Of course, 2/3 of the world’s Jews (the ones who aren’t in Israel)… like the idea of Israel being there, but we’re also super-paranoid about the idea of how bad it would be to have us all in one place to kill all of us at the same time with one nuke.

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 7:26:57am

Speaking of overrated. Hugh Hewitt, LOL. An idiot’s idea of what a smart guy sounds like.

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Barefoot Grin  May 20, 2018 • 7:27:05am

re: #102 MsJ

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Turns out it’s not a reality show. It’s real.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 7:27:36am

re: #104 Dr Lizardo

Ah, the stench of fear. I can smell all the way over here.

Canada addressed the problem of the US Presidency (where many people would refuse to accept the legitimacy of the President; this is not a new problem in the USA). One of the founders of the Canadian Confederation, John A. Macdonald, wrote:

By adhering to the monarchical principle we avoid one defect inherent in the Constitution of the United States. By the election of the president by a majority and for a short period, he never is the sovereign and chief of the nation. He is never looked up to by the whole people as the head and front of the nation. He is at best but the successful leader of a party. This defect is all the greater on account of the practice of reelection. During his first term of office he is employed in taking steps to secure his own reelection, and for his party a continuance of power. We avoid this by adhering to the monarchical principle—the sovereign whom you respect and love. I believe that it is of the utmost importance to have that principle recognized so that we shall have a sovereign who is placed above the region of party—to whom all parties look up; who is not elevated by the action of one party nor depressed by the action of another; who is the common head and sovereign of all.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 7:29:04am

re: #102 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:31:39am

re: #107 Ace Rothstein

Speaking of overrated. Hugh Hewitt, LOL. An idiot’s idea of what a smart guy sounds like.

WF Buckley.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 20, 2018 • 7:36:28am

Trump is totally off the rails today although in fairness that’s probably been true for awhile now.

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MsJ  May 20, 2018 • 7:38:15am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 7:44:25am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

WF Buckley.

Newt Gingrich.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 7:45:26am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

“Lava” doesn’t sound very soothing to me, no matter what’s falling on it. That stuff belongs inside the planet, not where rain can fall on it.

Obviously the planet disagrees with your assessment and is currently belching lava as is wont to do from time to time.

Mom Nature has a lesson for you. Lava can go when and where it wants. Man needs to get out of the way…there is work being done.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:48:16am

re: #113 MsJ

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So when does NRATV hire her?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:48:34am

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹

Newt Gingrich.

Yep.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 7:54:40am

re: #94 Ace Rothstein

Roger Stone just showed up on Meet the Chuck. * click *

Awww…don’t you want to hear Rog twist words in creative ways saying so much while not saying anything?

Oh…and now Hugh Hewitt is on the panel.

Riveting!

Taking a break from putting on my summer car tires and wheels…so why not watch Chuck UpChuck?

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 7:55:07am

JFC, David Brooks is on the same panel, too?

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 7:57:58am

You guys have patience worlds beyond mine. I can’t watch the pundits. Feels like a dive bar full of English to English translators that can’t think well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 7:58:29am
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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 8:01:53am

re: #95 makeitstop

I thought ‘Vitalogy’ had a couple of great songs on it. ‘Corduroy’ in particular is an amazing song.

And while I think parts of PJ are over-rated - I could never abide McCready’s Hendrix obsession, since he’s not really that good at it - other parts don’t get the props they deserve. Jeff Ament is a real good bass player, and without him most of that material would go nowhere. And Mom already mentioned Cameron.

And my most controversial musical opinion - Eddie Vedder is a lot better than prople give him credit for. Come at me.

Some bands turn some people on and others off at the same time. I always thought Pearl Jam rode that line more than any modern rock band.

I can remember this same discussion going on back in the mid 90s when they hadn’t even been out all that long.

Not sure why. All I know is they have been successful, made bucks and a lasting name for themselves. Not bad at all.

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 8:03:36am

Abortion and video games are to blame for the Santa Fe shooting says Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:04:09am

Headline at Wonkette, LOL.

Indiana’s GOP Senate Candidate Wants America Run Like Business. His Business Sucks Ass.

Oh hey, how about that business Braun runs? A week before the primary, the Associated Press reported Braun’s own business, Meyer Auto Parts, a national parts distribution company, engages in practices that seem to be at odds with some of Braun’s campaign rhetoric. He has complained that Washington has hurt American workers, but his company

does brisk business importing goods from the same overseas countries he has criticized for taking American jobs. He also has accepted government subsidies, despite criticizing the practice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 8:04:13am

re: #123 Ace Rothstein

Abortion and video games are to blame for the Santa Fe shooting says Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick.

Because only America has abortion and video games.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:05:24am

re: #120 Unshaken Defiance

You guys have patience worlds beyond mine. I can’t watch the pundits. Feels like a dive bar full of English to English translators that can’t think well.

Why does the mainstream press set their default to “wingnut?”

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 8:05:41am

re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White

Because only America has abortion and video games.

Seriously, it’s like these people have no ability to evaluate variables.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:07:14am

re: #123 Ace Rothstein

Abortion and video games are to blame for the Santa Fe shooting says Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick.

Apparently there are not enough of either. Had the shooter been aborted, or had socialised distribution of video games at tax payer expense, he would either a) not be here, or b) too busy playing video games.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 8:08:18am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

No, what Lloyd’s is prohibiting is supporting the NRA’s personal insurance programme, specifically because an insurance underwriter for the NRA was offering insurance protection when the member specifically used a gun to commit a crime.

Off-topic, a couple days before the tornado here, the company the village contracted with for wireless Internet came to town to install their electrical panels and antennas on the water tower.

The tornado tore up their brand new equipment. We had to contact them to inform them of the damage; their new Internet service has not even started yet in the village.

Wasn’t your tornado a cat 1?

From what you have been saying about the local damage, I’m thinking your area doesn’t need a category 3 or 4…let alone a 5.

Flatland and an older town doesn’t sound like a good mix.

Got the bucks to build a town storm shelter center for all the folks? With the weather as it is now, it might be a good idea for everyone’s sake.

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 8:08:18am

“Teachers are part of that well-run militia.” - Planet Wingnut Lt Gov Dan Patrick.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:09:10am

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

Seriously, it’s like these people have no ability to evaluate variables.

Sure they do. Patrick is lying. He knows it’s not true. He knows they have video games and abortions in other countries like Canada or Finland.

The point is to sway conservative voters with moral fear mongering. (Same with marriage equality, dismantling Jim Crow, &c.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 20, 2018 • 8:12:03am

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

Headline at Wonkette, LOL.

Indiana’s GOP Senate Candidate Wants America Run Like Business. His Business Sucks Ass.

Running Government Like a Business has a nice ring to it and makes sense in the meaning of running the government in a transparent and sustainable way

But that is where the comparisons end…business is about maximizing profits for a limited number of people, government is about maximizing benefits for the greatest number of people.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:13:13am

re: #129 ObserverArt

Wasn’t your tornado a cat 1?

From what you have been saying about the local damage, I’m thinking your area doesn’t need a category 3 or 4…let alone a 5.

Flatland and an older town doesn’t sound like a good mix.

Got the bucks to build a town storm shelter center for all the folks? With the weather as it is now, it might be a good idea for everyone’s sake.

I attempted to get an ordinance passed to seek a FEMA grant to build a community tornado shelter. The grant required a 50% local monetary commitment. The state refused, and the village didn’t have that much money.

My wife is now looking into personal tornado shelters for our home, since she can’t get into our root cellar.

Most homes in town do have basements, but some of the very old ones like mine do not.

The village hall is designated as a tornado shelter … that requires going over and unlocking it during a tornado warning. That, and when such a warning is issued, lots of rain and hail are already coming down so it seems not many people (if anyone) would come over to the hall.

The last tornado we had (didn’t hit town) was in 2013. (There were two at the same time, which I have photos of.) My wife was in the library at the time (same building) and because of the weather being so severe no one came over to the library other than those already there.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 8:15:01am

re: #127 Blind Frog Belly White

Seriously, it’s like these people have no ability to evaluate variables.

The word there might be “desire”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 8:16:19am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

Sure they do. Patrick is lying. He knows it’s not true. He knows they have video games and abortions in other countries like Canada or Finland.

The point is to sway conservative voters with moral fear mongering. (Same with marriage equality, dismantling Jim Crow, &c.)

You know what? I’m not sure. I think they are truly blind to the bleedin’ obvious. Guns CANNOT BE the problem, therefore no thought process that leads to concluding guns are the problem is possible.

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terraincognita  May 20, 2018 • 8:18:22am

Did Kudlow always sound like a town drunk? “I know nothing…nothing.”

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plansbandc  May 20, 2018 • 8:18:25am

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My new band name is Hen Sized Hail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 8:19:47am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Running Government Like a Business has a nice ring to it and makes sense in the meaning of running the government in a transparent and sustainable way

But that is where the comparisons end…business is about maximizing profits for a limited number of people, government is about maximizing benefits for the greatest number of people.

Or, put another way, ‘running a government like a business’ being good depends on correct identification of who the shareholders are. Jared, after the election, said something about the American people being the customer, which is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING WRONG!!, because the customer is the person to whom you try to sell the least possible product for the most possible money - IOW, the Mark.

We The People are the SHAREHOLDERS, for whom management (Government) works.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 8:20:13am

re: #136 terraincognita

Did Kudlow always sound like a town drunk? “I know nothing…nothing.”

Sgt. Schultz?

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 8:21:28am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

WF Buckley.

Hugh Hewitt isn’t in the same ballpark let alone the city. Buckley was an ass, but at least he had his own screwed up thoughts and he was intelligent.

Hewitt has nothing original going at all. He has no style of delivery, no depth, no vocabulary comparison…nothing. Hugh is a cheap plastic imitation conservative.

Though, he may have watched Buckley on TV a few times. I doubt he really knew what he was talking about.

By the way…no fan of Buckley at all. I just find Hugh Hewitt sad in so many ways.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:22:57am

On the (alleged) crook the GOP is running against Senator Donnelly in Indiana, Wonkette notes what pragmatic politics means:

Even a less than ideal Democrat is better than virtually any Republican, and if Dems want to take the Senate back, we have to reelect the red-state incumbents. Donnelly has been a reliable vote for most Democratic issues, and his pro-choice stance certainly helped him after Mourdock’s stupid comments. He voted to protect Obamacare and voted against the GOP’s Big Fat Tax Cuts for Rich Fuckwads, for which he’s already been taking heat. He didn’t vote to transfer hundreds of billions to the already rich? He can probably make that look like a good thing, we bet.

Purity ponies took out Heath Mello for Mayor of Omaha … and now Mayor Stothert is doing her level best to eliminate Planned Parenthood there. That’s what you get when you don’t support less-than-liberal Democratic candidates. (Said purity ponies misrepresented Mello’s position on abortion when he was in the Unicameral as a state senator. The withdrawal of Daily Kos’s support when those misrepresentations came out fueled the idea that Mello was a DINO, and Stothert was reëlected. Omaha is the largest city in the nation with downtown gravel streets, because Stothert vetoes bills to properly resurface them.)

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 8:27:03am

The Problem With California’s Coffee-May-Cause-Cancer Signs

Perhaps this could be shortened to “The Problem With California”. For a gun control state we sure shoot ourselves in the collective foot quite often. Because machines and drinks and food and packaging products and even paved parking lots that (gasp!) have cars on them are all deemed guilty of presenting a life safety threat to a truly ridicule worthy level.

The IARC is one of the leading scientific bodies in the world, and it is also one of several expert panels on which California relies for scientific opinions in such cases. The IARC has concluded that while there is sufficient evidence to consider acrylamide carcinogenic in experimental animals, there is insufficient evidence for carcinogenicity in humans. Therefore, its overall evaluation is that “acrylamide is probably carcinogenic to humans.” (Emphasis mine.)
The IARC, it should be noted, is known to be exquisitely precautionary. Still, its analysis essentially suggests that, to the best of our knowledge, acrylamide is likely to be carcinogenic. In response, Judge Berle’s ruling means that, according to California law, it is carcinogenic. That may seem a distinction without much difference. If something might cause cancer, it’s safest to treat it like it does, right?
The problem is that to scientific-risk assessors who try to determine just what threatens us, and how much, there is a universe of difference between these two characterizations. It’s a critical difference that California’s law fails to respect, and that failure creates risks of its own.

slate.com

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 8:27:04am

re: #119 Ace Rothstein

JFC, David Brooks is on the same panel, too?

Chuck’s stars.

He always goes safe and soft. That’s Chuck.

He doesn’t want to get to the bottom of anything. It would scare him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:33:44am
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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 8:33:53am

re: #136 terraincognita

Did Kudlow always sound like a town drunk? “I know nothing…nothing.”

Pretty much. I think he toasted himself too much with the white nose powder and then his politics made him all old and cranky and now what you see is what you get.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 8:34:19am

re: #140 ObserverArt

Hugh Hewitt isn’t in the same ballpark let alone the city. Buckley was an ass, but at least he had his own screwed up thoughts and he was intelligent.

Hewitt has nothing original going at all. He has no style of delivery, no depth, no vocabulary comparison…nothing. Hugh is a cheap plastic imitation conservative.

Though, he may watched Buckley on TV a few times. I doubt he really knew what he was talking about.

By the way…no fan of Buckley at all. I just find Hugh Hewitt sad in so many ways.

True enough.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:35:09am

re: #135 Blind Frog Belly White

You know what? I’m not sure. I think they are truly blind to the bleedin’ obvious. Guns CANNOT BE the problem, therefore no thought process that leads to concluding guns are the problem is possible.

When your paycheck from the NRA depends on you being ignorant, it’s not terribly amazing how ignorant you become.

It will be very satisfying if the NRA’s most expensively-owned politician, Senator Ted Cruz, is handed his pink slip in November.

Interestingly, my senator up for reëlection, Deb Fischer, has only benefited from $5,950 in direct contributions and about $10,000 in indirect contributions.

The Omaha World-Herald notes NRA support is more than the dollars. The NRA can mobilise its membership to plump on behalf of Republicans their preferred candidates.

Jane Reybould (D), running against her, vowed not to take a single dime in help from the NRA. While Mrs. Reybould is fairly conservative for a Democrat, that’s a pretty bold statement in a state where guns seem to outnumber people.

The World-Herald also notes the huge support Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) received from the NRA.

omaha.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:37:10am

re: #142 Unshaken Defiance

Well, you don’t have warning signs in all your public places about arsenic and uranium in your water.

I have to go out in the morning to take another arsenic and uranium sample from the village wells. I’m guessing that the amount of arsenic and uranium hasn’t dropped since two months ago… .

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garzooma  May 20, 2018 • 8:40:46am

re: #140 ObserverArt

Hugh Hewitt isn’t in the same ballpark let alone the city. Buckley was an ass, but at least he had his own screwed up thoughts and he was intelligent.

Buckley had Trump pegged almost 2 decades ago. Who else can make that claim.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:40:53am

Once again President Tangsnorter comes to the aid of the Chinese!

The United States has put on hold its plan to impose sweeping tariffs on Chinese products as it presses forward with negotiations to reduce its trade deficit with Beijing, a top priority of President Trump.

Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, said on Sunday that the two countries had made progress as they concluded two days of intense trade negotiations in Washington late last week. The planned tariffs — on Chinese steel and aluminum, as well as $150 billion worth of other Chinese goods — are off the table while the talks proceed, he said.

And, Praise Jay-Zuss we know that all the shit Trumpy Mc Tangerine and his crooked family manufacture there is also off the table!
nytimes.com

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Jay C  May 20, 2018 • 8:41:40am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

re: #96 HappyWarrior

On that theme there was a piece in today’s print ed of the NYTimes: about Netanyahu and his Government’s catering to American (and other foreign) Evangelicals for their “support” of Israel.

Short version: Bibi, his Government and his RW backers don’t give one shit about the weird-ass theology the Hagees and Jeffresses spout: uncritical support for Israel and its policies is ALL that matters. Emphasis on “uncritical”. Actual Jews (especially those in the US)? - Meh. Except of course, for the Ultras. And not just in America:

Israeli liberals say Mr. Netanyahu’s embrace of American evangelicals is not the only instance when his vigilance against anti-Semitism has appeared to be selective. Last fall, for example, the right-leaning government of Hungary launched a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign attacking the liberal financier and Holocaust-survivor George Soros for his support of open immigration, including billboards that attracted anti-Semitic graffiti.

The Israeli ambassador to Hungary denounced the advertisements with an allusion to the Holocaust, saying the campaign “evokes sad memories but also sows hatred and fear.”

But then Mr. Netanyahu’s government issued a “clarification,” saying that the ambassador had only meant to disavow anti-Semitism in general. “In no way was the statement meant to delegitimize criticism of George Soros, who continuously undermines Israel’s democratically elected governments,” the government’s statement said.

Charming.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 8:42:45am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

Well, you don’t have warning signs in all your public places about arsenic and uranium in your water.

I have to go out in the morning to take another arsenic and uranium sample from the village wells. I’m guessing that the amount of arsenic and uranium hasn’t dropped since two months ago… .

Well we are both better off than the poor folks in Flint so that’s something. We do the same kind of well water testing at the shooting range. By the way, does your fire safety code call for sprinklers in commercial building fed by well water? No water main at all? Inquiring rebuilders would like to know. :-)

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 8:45:04am

re: #151 Jay C

On that theme there was a piece in today’s print ed of the NYTimes: about Netanyahu and his Government’s catering to American (and other foreign Evangelicals for their “support” of Israel.

Short version: Bibi, his Government and his RW backers don’t give one shit about the weird-ass theology the Hagees and Jefresses spout: uncritical support for Israel and its policies is ALL that matters. Emphasis on “uncritical”. Actual Jews (especially those in the US)? - Meh. Except pf course, for the Ultras. And not just in America:

Charming.

Yep.

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Patricia Kayden  May 20, 2018 • 8:45:36am

LOL

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:48:03am

re: #150 Joe Bacon 🌹

Making China Great Again.

That actually becomes a win for him in Trump-supporting areas such as my own. If this tariff crisis (which he created) is averted, then China won’t impose their targeted tariffs on Nebraska beef, soybeans, and corn.

Trump then claims to his voters that he saved them from the cruel Chinese.

Then he cashes the cheque.

Trump’s principle ability is to con. The marks will swallow that whole.

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Danack  May 20, 2018 • 8:51:44am

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

then China won’t impose their targeted tariffs on Nebraska beef, soybeans, and corn..

Too late.

China has already ordered a shed load of soybean from Russia. The sale that are lost are going to stay lost.

axios.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:56:08am

re: #152 Unshaken Defiance

Well we are both better off than the poor folks in Flint so that’s something. We do the same kind of well water testing at the shooting range. By the way, does your fire safety code call for sprinklers in commercial building fed by well water? No water main at all? Inquiring rebuilders would like to know. :-)

The only buildings in town with sprinklers are the village hall and the fire hall. (That’s primarily because our businesses are very small.) They are fed from the water main, meaning the water is not filtered (filtration is only at point-of-use for consumption.)

If for example the village hall sprinklers went off, everyone would be leaving the village hall and library. No one would be drinking the water.

I have a PDF file of the entirety of the village ordinances (282 pages) on my computer. According to the section regarding fire safety (which would include sprinklers), the village’s ordinance says the village will comply with state law.

§7-202 FIRE PREVENTION; FIRE PREVENTION CODE.

The rules and regulations promulgated by the office of the State Fire Marshal of the State of Nebraska relating to fire prevention are incorporated by reference into this Code and made a part of this Article as though spread at large herein together with all subsequent amendments thereto. One (1) copy of the Fire Prevention Code shall be on file with the Municipal Clerk and shall be available for public inspection at any reasonable time. (Ref. 18-132, 19-902, 19-922, 81-502 RS Neb.)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:05:24am

On the above ordinance, I read it to my wife, who said “who the —— wrote that?”

I probably would have written it in plain English:

All property in the village shall comply with regulations of the state Fire Marshal or passed by the state legislature.

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Jay C  May 20, 2018 • 9:07:01am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

The only buildings in town with sprinklers are the village hall and the fire hall. (That’s primarily because our businesses are very small.) They are fed from the water main, meaning the water is not filtered (filtration is only at point-of-use for consumption.)

If for example the village hall sprinklers went off, everyone would be leaving the village hall and library. No one would be drinking the water.

I have a PDF file of the entirety of the village ordinances (282 pages) on my computer. According to the section regarding fire safety (which would include sprinklers), the village’s ordinance says the village will comply with state law.

So IOW, the relevant section of the Village Code re fire comes down to:

The Village Fire Prevention Code is the State Fire Prevention Code

with the unspoken bit being:

If you want any details look them up yourself” ?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:12:44am

re: #159 Jay C

So IOW, the relevant section of the Village Code re fire comes down to:

The Village Fire Prevention Code is the State Fire Prevention Code

with the unspoken bit being:

If you want any details look them up yourself” ?

Pretty much.

The village has two books of ordinances in print (since most people in town don’t have computers). One is in the village clerk’s office and the other in the public library.

Ordinances passed since they were printed (thirty years ago) are added in an appendix by hand. We are in the process of paying a company now to revise our ordinance books and print new ones (that’s $600 each plus hourly pay to go through our ordinances).

It’s fairly rare when someone needs to look into the village ordinances; when they do they either talk to the librarian or assistant librarian or village clerk during their hours, or call me outside of hours.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:15:01am

Anyone heard how the First Lady is doing since she got out of the hospital? I note that her husband in all his Twitter rants seems to have forgotten about her entirely.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 9:16:02am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

It does get thick in there. Around here sprinklers are fed by water that would otherwise go to the kitchen. Bottled water jokes aside, we Los Angelinos barely drink the drinking water. Our SFV well waters were contaminated long ago in the war (WW2) industrial building efforts and by rusted gasoline tanks under stations. Benzene.

Fire sprinklers in the absence of a water main is quite a big deal to design. Gotta gather a lot of water and have pumps that do not depend on electrical service from the main panel. So generator here we go. Very Special generator.

Can’t live without enough water.

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 9:17:02am

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹

Anyone heard how the First Lady is doing since she got out of the hospital? I note that her husband in all his Twitter rants seems to have forgotten about her entirely.

Melanie is doing fine.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:18:37am

re: #162 Unshaken Defiance

It does get thick in there. Around here sprinklers are fed by water that would otherwise go to the kitchen. Bottled water jokes aside, we Los Angelinos barely drink the drinking water. Our SFV well waters were contaminated long ago in the war (WW2) industrial building efforts and by rusted gasoline tanks under stations. Benzene.

Fire sprinklers in the absence of a water main is quite a big deal to design. Gotta gather a lot of water and have pumps that do not depend on electrical service from the main panel. So generator here we go. Very Special generator.

Can’t live without enough water.

The VA clinic in Sidney has fire sprinklers which are not connected to the city water main.

The installation (to my untrained eye) appears identical, except where the sprinkler feed comes out of the building. There it ends in a hose fitting. The idea is either a water truck is hooked up to it, or hose is connected from the building to the nearest fire hydrant.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 9:19:55am

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

Making China Great Again.

That actually becomes a win for him in Trump-supporting areas such as my own. If this tariff crisis (which he created) is averted, then China won’t impose their targeted tariffs on Nebraska beef, soybeans, and corn.

Trump then claims to his voters that he saved them from the cruel Chinese.

Then he cashes the cheque.

Trump’s principle ability is to con. The marks will swallow that whole.

Didn’t China just last week announce a huge purchase of soybeans from Russia to the detriment of US farmers?

Don’t need to worry about tariffs that way.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:20:14am

re: #163 Ace Rothstein

Melanie is doing fine.

I don’t care about my ex-wife, just curious about Melania. /s

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 9:21:34am

re: #163 Ace Rothstein

Melanie is doing fine.

I noticed that both the SF Chronicle and WP helped Trump out by not calling her Melanie in their “quotes” of his tweet.

Thank god for the always vigilant liberal media.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 9:25:05am

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹

The VA clinic in Sidney has fire sprinklers which are not connected to the city water main.

The installation (to my untrained eye) appears identical, except where the sprinkler feed comes out of the building. There it ends in a hose fitting. The idea is either a water truck is hooked up to it, or hose is connected from the building to the nearest fire hydrant.

That’s very sensible.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:32:03am

Hot takes on the school shooting continue, this time from Oliver North, convicted felon and future leader of the NRA:

starherald.com

The real reason for school shootings is a culture steeped in violence.

Doors, video games, movies, abortion, anything but the one element present in every last school shooting in history.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:37:03am

re: #168 Unshaken Defiance

That’s very sensible.

I suppose that depends on whether the building is too hot to approach to hook up a hose. That said, the hookup is several yards away from the building.

starherald.com

Storm flooding now has creeks and the North Platte River out of their banks. A bridge washed out in Wyoming near here. Several roads here have been washed out (including streets in my village).

State emergency management says we really can’t take any more rain because there is no place for water to go (the draws are all full and the rivers are out of their banks). Unfortunately, we’re scheduled for several more days of rain and thunderstorms. (Right now the sun is out though, meaning it’s past my bedtime).

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 9:39:44am

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹

Wait, that’s not hooked up until the fire starts? Um… yeah that would never fly here. Not to keep you up thanks for the chat and info.

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mmmirele  May 20, 2018 • 9:40:57am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

Hot takes on the school shooting continue, this time from Oliver North, convicted felon and future leader of the NRA:

starherald.com

The real reason for school shootings is a culture steeped in violence.

Doors, video games, movies, abortion, anything but the one element present in every last school shooting in history.

He’s blaming it on Ritalin, which has been around for a very long time. My sister started taking Ritalin beginning when she was seven. She is 56 years old now (and obviously hasn’t taken it for decades). I look in vain for all the gun violence we should have been expecting from drugged-up schoolchildren in the 1970s and 1980s.

Why can’t we talk about, at the minimum, the responsibility of the parents to lock up their damn guns? I mean, you’d be in serious trouble if you left your key in your car and someone took it and hurt someone or ran into a house. There would be liability. But a gun? There’s no damned liability whatsoever.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:41:33am

re: #171 Unshaken Defiance

Wait, that’s not hooked up until the fire starts? Um… yeah that would never fly here. Not to keep you up thanks for the chat and info.

It’s not a new building. To hook it to the water main would require a Federal contract for the VA with either the city and a construction firm, and since the GOP doesn’t want to spend anything on the VA, that won’t happen.

I assume the Sidney Fire Department is aware of what they need to do if there was a fire at the clinic.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:42:45am

re: #172 mmmirele

Locking up your guns is exactly the same as confiscating them.

How are you going to drive off a whole cell of ISIS terrorists if you have to open a gun safe or remove a trigger lock first?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 9:44:10am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

Hot takes on the school shooting continue, this time from Oliver North, convicted felon and future leader of the NRA:

starherald.com

The real reason for school shootings is a culture steeped in violence.

Doors, video games, movies, abortion, anything but the one element present in every last school shooting in history.

North is such a perfect fit for the NRA. A lying gun runner for lying gun hacks.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 9:44:35am

I guess I should point out the Sunday Morning playlist Page I put up. Morning goes away fast.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 9:45:28am

re: #172 mmmirele

He’s blaming it on Ritalin, which has been around for a very long time. My sister started taking Ritalin beginning when she was seven. She is 56 years old now (and obviously hasn’t taken it for decades). I look in vain for all the gun violence we should have been expecting from drugged-up schoolchildren in the 1970s and 1980s.

Why can’t we talk about, at the minimum, the responsibility of the parents to lock up their damn guns? I mean, you’d be in serious trouble if you left your key in your car and someone took it and hurt someone or ran into a house. There would be liability. But a gun? There’s no damned liability whatsoever.

Damned good points. We can’t talk about it though because the gun lobby are a bunch of bullying cowards who hide behind the 2nd amendment.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:48:13am
[Tex. Lt. Gov. Dan] Patrick tells ABC’s “The Week” he supports background checks for gun purchasers but stresses “gun regulation starts at home.”

And in Texas, it also ends there.

Regulation is meaningless without enforcement, Mr. Patrick.

He needs to read Jim Wright’s latest article on responsible ownership of guns. No one who needs to read it will.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:48:42am

re: #172 mmmirele

He’s blaming it on Ritalin, which has been around for a very long time. My sister started taking Ritalin beginning when she was seven. She is 56 years old now (and obviously hasn’t taken it for decades). I look in vain for all the gun violence we should have been expecting from drugged-up schoolchildren in the 1970s and 1980s.

Why can’t we talk about, at the minimum, the responsibility of the parents to lock up their damn guns? I mean, you’d be in serious trouble if you left your key in your car and someone took it and hurt someone or ran into a house. There would be liability. But a gun? There’s no damned liability whatsoever.

Republicans won’t tell Mommy and Daddy what to do with their guns, BUT they will gladly go into Mommy and Daddy’s bedroom to confiscate their birth control and sex toys!

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allegro  May 20, 2018 • 9:48:50am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

Hot takes on the school shooting continue, this time from Oliver North, convicted felon and future leader of the NRA:

starherald.com

The real reason for school shootings is a culture steeped in violence.

Doors, video games, movies, abortion, anything but the one element present in every last school shooting in history.

I heard that one last week in conversation with a friend, though more gently stated. She said (paraphrasing) that we are only looking at the one thing, guns, and not the real cause and that is increasing violence. I submitted that both have the same source. NRA and right-wing media pounding hatred, fear, xenophobia, and guns are the solution to all problems.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 9:49:26am

When gun nuts love their families more than their guns, we might get progress on this issue. Until then unfortunately it’s a matter of time.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 9:50:31am

re: #180 allegro

I heard that one last week in conversation with a friend, though more gently stated. She said (paraphrasing) that we are only looking at the one thing, guns, and not the real cause and that is increasing violence. I submitted that both have the same source. NRA and right-wing media pounding hatred, fear, xenophobia, and guns are the solution to all problems.

Correct.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 20, 2018 • 9:50:34am

Thanks for the all the updings yesterday. Felt good.

My daughter gets to graduate while other parents are making funeral arrangements. Not right, not right.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:51:21am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Damned good points. We can’t talk about it though because the gun lobby are a bunch of bullying cowards who hide behind the 2nd amendment.

Calls for repealing the II Amendment are a non-starter: Start counting states which would reject such an amendment and when you get to thirteen, you’re done.

Worse, if you could somehow repeal it, that would not “ban guns.” It would put the onus on individual states to write laws. That would be an utter disaster.

All those court seats Mitch McConnell held up under President Obama? That will benefit loosening Federal laws on enforcement.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:51:53am

re: #179 Joe Bacon 🌹

Republicans won’t tell Mommy and Daddy what to do with their guns, BUT they will gladly go into Mommy and Daddy’s bedroom to confiscate their birth control and sex toys!

Ortho-Novum is far more dangerous than a Ruger.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 9:53:42am

re: #174 Anymouse 🌹

Locking up your guns is exactly the same as confiscating them.

How are you going to drive off a whole cell of ISIS terrorists if you have to open a gun safe or remove a trigger lock first?

Imagine living in a world where you were in constant danger of violent attack, even death, at all hours of the day, no matter where you are, and the ONLY THING that could keep you safe would be having a loaded gun on you at all times.

This is the world they live in.

Also in that world, they themselves are expert marksmen, cool of head and keen of eye, able to instantly perceive the situation they are in and the person they need to kill to stop it, and the ability to do that, unfailingly, every time.

AND that they are so well-trained, and have thought it out so well that they will never have a negligent discharge, no child will ever find their gun and shoot someone, and they’ll never forget it’s there and leave it someplace where someone else finds it.

This is the fantasy they inhabit.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 9:54:41am

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹

Calls for repealing the II Amendment are a non-starter: Start counting states which would reject such an amendment and when you get to thirteen, you’re done.

Worse, if you could somehow repeal it, that would not “ban guns.” It would put the onus on individual states to write laws. That would be an utter disaster.

All those court seats Mitch McConnell held up under President Obama? That will benefit loosening Federal laws on enforcement.

Didn’t say anything about repeal. Even suggesting measures the NRA supported as recently as ten years ago gets you labeled a “gun grabber.” They don’t want to compromise a damned thing.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:55:18am

re: #180 allegro

I heard that one last week in conversation with a friend, though more gently stated. She said (paraphrasing) that we are only looking at the one thing, guns, and not the real cause and that is increasing violence. I submitted that both have the same source. NRA and right-wing media pounding hatred, fear, xenophobia, and guns are the solution to all problems.

How is that violence perpetrated?

We only look at one thing in drunk driving: Alcohol. We regulate alcohol. We regulate drivers intoxicated with alcohol. We jail drivers (and people who provided them with alcohol) if they are caught driving intoxicated.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving launched a campaign to change the culture around drinking and driving. Perhaps the teenage movement on gun violence will do the same, because changing the culture around guns is what’s needed.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 9:55:32am

re: #186 Blind Frog Belly White

Imagine living in a world where you were in constant danger of violent attack, even death, at all hours of the day, no matter where you are, and the ONLY THING that could keep you safe would be having a loaded gun on you at all times.

This is the world they live in.

Also in that world, they themselves are expert marksmen, cool of head and keen of eye, able to instantly perceive the situation they are in and the person they need to kill to stop it, and the ability to do that, unfailingly, every time.

AND that they are so well-trained, and have thought it out so well that they will never have a negligent discharge, no child will ever find their gun and shoot someone, and they’ll never forget it’s there and leave it someplace where someone else finds it.

This is the fantasy they inhabit.

Can I be blunt here, they’re a bunch of sissies who hide behind guns.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 9:56:45am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Didn’t say anything about repeal. Even suggesting measures the NRA supported as recently as ten years ago gets you labeled a “gun grabber.” They don’t want to compromise a damned thing.

There are people on the left calling for repealing the II Amendment. That is a losing strategy, and if a bunch of purity ponies apply that as a test to Democratic candidates, those candidates will lose.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 9:59:55am

re: #174 Anymouse 🌹

Locking up your guns is exactly the same as confiscating them.

How are you going to drive off a whole cell of ISIS terrorists if you have to open a gun safe or remove a trigger lock first?

You’re right.

I guess some just don’t understand what freedom really is. Guns are manufactured and then sent out into the world to be Expressions of American Freedom®.

Even if you never need one, want one, or hate them, you need a gun to be Truly American Free™.

If it is in some ol’ locker it is in prison, like a lib would like them to be. A gun can’t express its freedom magic if not seen and heard.

UNLOCK THEM UP!

(gag.)

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:01:08am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

There are people on the left calling for repealing the II Amendment. That is a losing strategy, and if a bunch of purity ponies apply that as a test to Democratic candidates, those candidates will lose.

Name me a single Dem candidate running on repeal the 2nd and get back to me.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:01:48am

Calling for reform isn’t the same thing as calling for banning.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 10:05:18am

re: #179 Joe Bacon 🌹

Republicans won’t tell Mommy and Daddy what to do with their guns, BUT they will gladly go into Mommy and Daddy’s bedroom to confiscate their birth control and sex toys!

NRA thinking: If there are not plenty of babies, then there will not be enough gun buyers in the future. We cannot have that.

*Note: Also consider the need to make up for all the people killed by guns daily in America. Supply and demand is a fundamental tenet of good business practice. You can count this under customer creation to fill in for customer loses.

(gag. gag.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 10:06:59am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Can I be blunt here, they’re a bunch of sissies who hide behind guns.

Paranoid delusions of grandeur - that they’re so important that many, many people wants to kill them and take their stuff, AND that they’re so awesome that they’ll drop them in their tracks.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:07:36am

Let’s see though:

- Other countries are more secular than we are yet don’t have the same rate of gun violence.

- Other countries have more video gamers than we do, nope not the same rate of gun violence.

- Other countries have the same music and movies. Hmmm.

Maybe I’m naive but it’s almost like gun nuts want the conversation to be anything but their precious guns.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:08:09am

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

Paranoid delusions of grandeur - that they’re so important that many, many people wants to kill them and take their stuff, AND that they’re so awesome that they’ll drop them in their tracks.

Yep. And Wingnut media feeds that by telling them that they’re “real Americans” and those libtards are a bunch of commies.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 10:08:26am

re: #194 ObserverArt

NRA thinking: If there are not plenty of babies, then there will not be enough gun buyers in the future. We cannot have that.

*Note: Also consider the need to make up for all the people killed by guns daily in America. Supply and demand is a fundamental tenet of good business practice. You can count this under customer creation to fill in for customer loses.

(gag. gag.)

Just a friendly reminder from Tom Tomorrow…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 10:09:35am

‘Remote detonator’ WiFi name prompts evacuation at Planet Fitness (MLive)

SAGINAW TWP, MI — An unconventional WiFi name prompted a bomb scare evacuation at a Saginaw Township gym Sunday evening.

After a bomb-sniffing dog made a precautionary sweep, it was found “remote detonator” was little more than a poorly-named WiFi network name, authorities said.

(cut)

Around 6 p.m., a gym patron looking through available WiFi connections noticed one named “remote detonator” and brought it to the manager’s attention, said Saginaw Township Police Chief Donald Pussehl.

(more)

The police will not prosecute, as WiFi names are protected speech.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:11:22am

re: #198 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just a friendly reminder from Tom Tomorrow…

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I’ll always appreciate that Terry McAuliffe ended that miserable bastard’s political career. Still sucks to see him on CNN though but at least he’s not ruining life for Virginians as a public official anymore.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 10:13:12am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Name me a single Dem candidate running on repeal the 2nd and get back to me.

I didn’t say candidates were. Some Democratic voters are suggesting that.

My concern was if those voters apply that position as a litmus test, the same way conservative voters apply abortion.

They then choose to not vote or vote for some moonbat with no chance in a third party. Decent Democratic candidate goes down, wingnut gets in.

Although it wasn’t guns, that’s exactly what sunk Heath Mello in Omaha’s mayoral race.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:16:56am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

I didn’t say candidates were. Some Democratic voters are suggesting that.

My concern was if those voters apply that position as a litmus test, the same way conservative voters apply abortion.

They then choose to not vote or vote for some moonbat with no chance in a third party. Decent Democratic candidate goes down, wingnut gets in.

Although it wasn’t guns, that’s exactly what sunk Heath Mello in Omaha’s mayoral race.

I think you’re talking about a problem that simply doesn’t exist. I’ve talked to a lot of liberal voters. Not many of them if any want to repeal the second.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 10:17:51am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

I didn’t say candidates were. Some Democratic voters are suggesting that.

My concern was if those voters apply that position as a litmus test, the same way conservative voters apply abortion.

They then choose to not vote or vote for some moonbat with no chance in a third party. Decent Democratic candidate goes down, wingnut gets in.

Although it wasn’t guns, that’s exactly what sunk Heath Mello in Omaha’s mayoral race.

Ahhh…Heath Mello. You’re never going to let that go are you?

Political lessons, free country, liberals, women…every election is different. Welcome to politics.

Edit: I see Mello has two ells.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:19:02am

re: #203 ObserverArt

Ahhh…Heath Melo. You’re never going to let that go are you?

Political lessons, free country, liberals, women…every election is different. Welcome to politics.

And TBH I understand why there was frustration regarding Heath Mello among women Democratic voters since it was THEIR rights that he had supported limiting in their legislature. A party’s gotta stand for something and pro-choice values are one of those values.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 10:19:29am

re: #203 ObserverArt

Ahhh…Heath Melo. You’re never going to let that go are you?

Political lessons, free country, liberals, women…every election is different. Welcome to politics.

Dude, you’re harshing his Mello.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:20:11am

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

Dude, you’re harshing his Melo.

I like this Melo more.

Carmelo Anthony’s Top 10 Plays of his Career

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 10:20:17am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 10:21:35am

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 10:23:43am
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I Would Prefer Not To  May 20, 2018 • 10:24:04am
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:24:54am

re: #209 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Hopefully they eventually get Donald himself but those others being indictated for conspiracy against the US would make me very happy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 10:32:49am

re: #203 ObserverArt

Ahhh…Heath Melo. You’re never going to let that go are you?

Political lessons, free country, liberals, women…every election is different. Welcome to politics.

The issue I’m not letting go is purity pony voters, not the specific candidate.

Moving to a different topic, home tornado shelters.

My wife has been talking to a company in Texas for three days about underground shelters they sell. (The company deals with a local contractor and ships the pre-built shelter to the contractor.)

She got an answer today from them: Sorry. You’re too rural, we can’t ship to you.

- How about our rail siding here?

Sorry, we won’t use rail. Perhaps you should build something above ground.

- What’s the point of that?

It would appear we’re on our own here. I’ve suggested to my wife in the past to get a contractor to look into our root cellar and see if that is safe or if it could be reinforced if it’s not. After that, contract to redo the staircase into the cellar so it can accommodate her. (I’m not sure why she’s resisting this idea.)

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 10:34:08am

re: #209 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Scott Dworkin, credibility level somewhere just above zero.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:36:15am

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹

The issue I’m not letting go is purity pony voters, not the specific candidate.

Moving to a different topic, home tornado shelters.

My wife has been talking to a company in Texas for three days about underground shelters they sell. (The company deals with a local contractor and ships the pre-built shelter to the contractor.)

She got an answer today from them: Sorry. You’re too rural, we can’t ship to you.

- How about our rail siding here?

Sorry, we won’t use rail. Perhaps you should build something above ground.

- What’s the point of that?

It would appear we’re on our own here. I’ve suggested to my wife in the past to get a contractor to look into our root cellar and see if that is safe or if it could be reinforced if it’s not. After that, contract to redo the staircase into the cellar so it can accommodate her. (I’m not sure why she’s resisting this idea.)

No offense but it’s easy for you to call those voters who were bothered by Mello’s record on choice purity ponies when it wasn’t your rights that he had voted to limit. I agree that purity pony politics can be a problem but at the same time, I think you’ve shown little to no understanding why Mello’s record bothered people. Furthermore, it was the double standard of it all by the Sanders machine. He’s all for litmus tests when it’s HIS issues that the candidate isn’t good enough for HIM on but he wanted women voters especially to ignore Mello’s record on an issue important ot them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 10:36:24am

re: #213 Skip Intro

Scott Dworkin, credibility level somewhere just above zero.

Yeah. I was thinking I’ll believe it when I see them perp marched out.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 10:39:15am

re: #202 HappyWarrior

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

Well guys we had this unfortunate moment.

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment
By John Paul Stevens
March 27, 2018

To which-
littlegreenfootballs.com

It’s a canard, or at best an honest expression of frustration from places where gun control has been successfully opposed. Understandable in certain ways.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 10:40:20am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

And TBH I understand why there was frustration regarding Heath Mello among women Democratic voters since it was THEIR rights that he had supported limiting in their legislature. A party’s gotta stand for something and pro-choice values are one of those values.

Back to what he actually did in the Unicameral to what was said about what he did. He in no way worked to restrict women’s rights.

Instead, on April 19, The Wall Street Journal ran a story noting that Mello, a practicing Catholic, is pro-life. The story also falsely claimed that Mello had co-sponsored a bill “requiring women to look at an ultrasound image of their fetus before receiving an abortion.” A similar error was made by The Washington Post, which claimed that Mello had “previously backed a bill requiring ultrasounds for women considering abortions,” and then again the following day by David Nir, political director of Daily Kos, who announced the site was withdrawing its endorsement of Mello—a move applauded by Ilyse Hogue, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, who’d launched a 12-part Twitter storm linking to the WSJ article and accusing Sanders and Perez of kicking off their tour with the message “shame women; we’ll support u anyway.”

thenation.com

Why Was Heath Mello Thrown Under the Bus?
Was the candidate for mayor of Omaha held to a different standard than other Democrats?

Perhaps it was because he was backed by Bernie Sanders, since Sanders does not have a good record on backing winning candidates.

Or maybe it’s because only 60% of Omaha’s registered voters are registered as Democrats, maybe that’s it.

I’ll leave Mello alone now. The purity ponies got what they want for a mayor in Nebraska’s most liberal city: An extremist wingnut.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:40:59am

re: #216 Unshaken Defiance

Well guys we had this unfortunate moment.

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment
By John Paul Stevens
March 27, 2018

To which-
littlegreenfootballs.com

It’s a canard, or at best an honest expression of frustration from places where gun control has been successfully opposed. Understandable in certain ways.

That’s very true but JPS is also a 98 year old retired judge. I’m talking about what elected officials and candidates have said. Honestly, I think it’s the latter case. We’ve seen the NRA go back on proposals they’ve previously supported and I think Stevens wrongly (I don’t support repealing the 2nd) took the bait.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 10:41:41am
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garzooma  May 20, 2018 • 10:43:49am
The Witch Hunt finds no Collusion with Russia - so now they’re looking at the rest of the World. Oh’ great!

“The cops were investigating me for robbing the bank on Elm Street. Now they’ve found evidence I also robbed the bank on Pine Street. So the first investigation was a Witch Hunt!”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 10:43:55am

re: #219 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

How’s Melania doing, Mr. Trump? Got anything to say about your wife?

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 10:44:52am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

How’s Melania Melanie doing, Mr. Trump? Got anything to say about your wife?

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 10:45:11am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 10:46:34am
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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2018 • 10:46:34am

re: #213 Skip Intro

Scott Dworkin, credibility level somewhere just above zero.

It doesn’t take a genius to see that Stone is in imminent legal jeopardy, but I’m guessing that Kushner and Jr won’t be indicted until Mueller’s report to Congress has been sent.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 10:47:05am

re: #216 Unshaken Defiance

Well guys we had this unfortunate moment.

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment
By John Paul Stevens
March 27, 2018

To which-
littlegreenfootballs.com

It’s a canard, or at best an honest expression of frustration from places where gun control has been successfully opposed. Understandable in certain ways.

This will be the Russian bot’s new attack against all Democrats on Facebook and other social media this year. Fox will run with it 24/7, as will Trump. Chuck the Meat will discuss it every Sunday with reps of the NRA.

Get ready.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:48:10am

re: #226 Skip Intro

This will be the Russian bot’s new attack against all Democrats on Facebook and other social media this year. Fox will run with it 24/7, as will Trump. Chuck the Meat will discuss it every Sunday with reps of the NRA.

Get ready.

Stevens said that two months ago.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 10:48:56am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t matter one bit. It was said. That’s good enough.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 10:49:57am

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹

The issue I’m not letting go is purity pony voters, not the specific candidate.

Moving to a different topic, home tornado shelters.

My wife has been talking to a company in Texas for three days about underground shelters they sell. (The company deals with a local contractor and ships the pre-built shelter to the contractor.)

She got an answer today from them: Sorry. You’re too rural, we can’t ship to you.

- How about our rail siding here?

Sorry, we won’t use rail. Perhaps you should build something above ground.

- What’s the point of that?

It would appear we’re on our own here. I’ve suggested to my wife in the past to get a contractor to look into our root cellar and see if that is safe or if it could be reinforced if it’s not. After that, contract to redo the staircase into the cellar so it can accommodate her. (I’m not sure why she’s resisting this idea.)

‘mouse, I’ll just make one more two part comment on Mello.

1A. I’m thinking abortion is more a life or death kind of thing that is even more important than gun control. It is such a strong individual thing to be determined and women and their supporters are just not going to ever give up on it. It can be a litmus test…because it was a hard fight that was made into law. Mello did not support the law. Not a good look for a real Democrat. And women don’t want to fight what was already fought. And they shouldn’t have to.

1B. Opinion from you as an admitted and firm atheist. Would not an atheist be very strong in defense of abortion rights since the other side of the political divide is pretty much 100% religious thinking? In other words, there is no debate.

No need to answer if you don’t want. Just throwing those out as points to be discussed by others…or not.

(And I am not picking at you…just the debate on what can be considered purity politics and flat our necessary politics. A distinction to me.)

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:49:59am

re: #228 Skip Intro

Doesn’t matter one bit. It was said. That’s good enough.

True enough. I really wish he hadn’t written that because as a former SCOTUS member, he does have sway and influence.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 10:50:21am

re: #222 Ace Rothstein

I understand her black eyes are healing nicely at her parent’s house in New York.

Anyone know who was taking care of Barron while she was away? The White House usher, perhaps?

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Ace Rothstein  May 20, 2018 • 10:51:06am

re: #231 Skip Intro

The Obamas.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:53:20am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

Back to what he actually did in the Unicameral to what was said about what he did. He in no way worked to restrict women’s rights.

thenation.com

Why Was Heath Mello Thrown Under the Bus?
Was the candidate for mayor of Omaha held to a different standard than other Democrats?

Perhaps it was because he was backed by Bernie Sanders, since Sanders does not have a good record on backing winning candidates.

Or maybe it’s because only 60% of Omaha’s registered voters are registered as Democrats, maybe that’s it.

I’ll leave Mello alone now. The purity ponies got what they want for a mayor in Nebraska’s most liberal city: An extremist wingnut.

votesmart.org

Well I found his record on choice. And honestly I think you’re out of line to blame out of state people who were critical of him while ignoring that Omahans were the ones who ultimately cast their ballots against him and I know you don’t want me to say this but I’m going to say this anyhow, the mayorship of Omaha compared to retaining the Dem governorship here in Virginia and flipping it in NJ was a much bigger priority for the DNC. You may not like that but that’s reality. And in fact Mello actually did better than the previous Dem mayoral candidate did.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:55:30am

re: #229 ObserverArt

‘mouse, I’ll just make one more two part comment on Mello.

1A. I’m thinking abortion is more a life or death kind of thing that is even more important than gun control. It is such a strong individual thing to be determined and women and their supporters are just not going to ever give up on it. It can be a litmus test…because it was a hard fight that was made into law. Mello did not support the law. Not a good look for a real Democrat. And women don’t want to fight what was already fought. And they shouldn’t have to.

1B. Opinion from you as an admitted and firm atheist. Would not an atheist be very strong in defense of abortion rights since the other side of the political divide is pretty much 100% religious thinking? In other words, there is no debate.

No need to answer if you don’t want. Just throwing those out as points to be discussed by others…or not.

(And I am not picking at you…just the debate on what can be considered purity politics and flat our necessary politics. A distinction to me.)

Thanks OA. I’m definitely thinking about Number 1 here. Women Democratic voters didn’t thikn Heath Mello was a strong enough supporter of their rights. I’m sorry but it’s very easy for men like the three of us to just dismiss that as a purity pony issue. I’m not doubting your pro-choice support AM, I do think you should understand why the reports of Mello’s record on the matter bothered many women Democratic voters.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 10:56:40am

re: #228 Skip Intro

Doesn’t matter one bit. It was said. That’s good enough.

Will somebody cash this reality check?

Where the Gun-Control Movement Goes Silent
In decades of advocacy for restrictions on access to firearms, there’s never been an organized effort to rewrite the Second Amendment. Don’t expect one to start now.

“It’s really not part of the discussion,” said Kris Brown, co-president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the nation’s oldest gun-control group named after the former press secretary to Ronald Reagan who was wounded in the 1981 assassination attempt on the president.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 10:58:20am
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:58:22am

re: #235 Unshaken Defiance

Will somebody cash this reality check?

It’s never been part of the conversation which is what my whole point was until we went down Mello Memory Lane.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 10:58:39am

re: #236 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Agh.

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Jay C  May 20, 2018 • 10:59:11am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Calling for reform isn’t the same thing as calling for banning.

Not according to the NRA and virtually every gunhumping wingnut that ever posted online. Another of their Unquestioned Articles Of Faith is that even the slightest legislation regarding ANY “control” of the possession or trade in firearms is merely a blind for the “Real Agenda Behind Gun Control (tm)”, i.e. a blanket ban, forcible confiscations and mass harassment (and/or mass incarceration) of “Real Americans” - by you-know-who….

It’s the slipperiest of slippery-slope arguments (and a sick fantasy in general), but remains the core of the wingers’ opposition to anything that can be remotely characterized as “gun control”. And isn’t an attitude that’s likely to be easily shifted.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:00:04am

re: #239 Jay C

Not according to the NRA and virtually every gunhumping wingnut that ever posted online. Another of their Unquestioned Articles Of Faith is that even the slightest legislation regarding ANY “control” of the possession or trade in firearms is merely a blind for the “Real Agenda Behind Gun Control (tm)”, i.e. a blanket ban, forcible confiscations and mass harassment (and/or mass incarceration) of “Real Americans” - by you-know-who….

It’s the slipperiest of slippery-slope arguments (and a sick fantasy in general), but remains the core of the wingers’ opposition to anything that can be remotely characterized as “gun control”. And isn’t an attitude that’s likely to be easily shifted.

Correct. What I think gun control groups honestly should do is find clips of the NRA supporting policies they now oppose. The people of this country need to know what a bunch of two faced hypocrites tehse guys are.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 20, 2018 • 11:01:46am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Damned good points. We can’t talk about it though because the gun lobby are a bunch of bullying cowards who hide behind the 2nd amendment.

The RWNJs have taken the second amendment down to “shall not be infringed”.

There is no common ground that can be discussed when they start there.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:02:00am

re: #229 ObserverArt

‘mouse, I’ll just make one more two part comment on Mello.

1A. I’m thinking abortion is more a life or death kind of thing that is even more important than gun control. It is such a strong individual thing to be determined and women and their supporters are just not going to ever give up on it. It can be a litmus test…because it was a hard fight that was made into law. Mello did not support the law. Not a good look for a real Democrat. And women don’t want to fight what was already fought. And they shouldn’t have to.

1B. Opinion from you as an admitted and firm atheist. Would not an atheist be very strong in defense of abortion rights since the other side of the political divide is pretty much 100% religious thinking? In other words, there is no debate.

No need to answer if you don’t want. Just throwing those out as points to be discussed by others…or not.

(And I am not picking at you…just the debate on what can be considered purity politics and flat our necessary politics. A distinction to me.)

Yes I support abortion rights, which is why I donate money despite my poverty to the only Planned Parenthood clinic in my state, the one Stothert wants to shut.

As for the rest, I refer you to my previous comment, noting that Mr. Mello’s position (and votes in the Unicameral) were misrepresented by the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post. They reported on things he did not do concerning bills in the Unicameral. That sank his campaign when people from out-of-state attacked him and withdrew support, mischaracterised the Nebraska Democratic Party leader and the national party leader’s statements, &c.

Mr. Mello was sunk by a series of either misinformed (or lying) articles in those two newspapers about what he actually voted for, and neither paper bothered to check his voting record in the state. NARAL went straight to the Post article, also without checking on his actual record.

Planned Parenthood gave him a 100% rating on legislation, but that wasn’t good enough.

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

Enough on Heath Mello. I’m sure the Post will be able to come up with some way to sink our high profile Democratic candidates for this election (Jane Reybould for Senate and Kara Eastman to knock off Don Bacon in NE-2).

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:03:19am

re: #241 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The RWNJs have taken the second amendment down to “shall not be infringed”.

There is no common ground that can be discussed when they start there.

Correct.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:03:27am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Thanks OA. I’m definitely thinking about Number 1 here. Women Democratic voters didn’t thikn Heath Mello was a strong enough supporter of their rights. I’m sorry but it’s very easy for men like the three of us to just dismiss that as a purity pony issue. I’m not doubting your pro-choice support AM, I do think you should understand why the reports of Mello’s record on the matter bothered many women Democratic voters.

And as noted by me (looking up his legislative record at the time, and in The Nation article above), those reports were wrong.

Daily Kos corrected their wrong reporting (after the election).

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 11:05:06am
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:05:56am

re: #244 Anymouse 🌹

And as noted by me (looking up his legislative record at the time, and in The Nation article above), those reports were wrong.

Daily Kos corrected their wrong reporting (after the election).

Okay but you did ignore my other points) That Mello in fact outperformed the previous Dem candidate for mayor in that city and that ultimately Omahans voted against him and suggesting that the DNC didn’t back him out of spite towards Sanders is silly. You may not like hearing this but your state with the exception of that one district that went for President Obama in 2008 is a heavily Republican state. The DNC only has so much political capital to invest in.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:06:49am

I’m done with this though. I never said anything about demanding purity tests on the 2nd amendment and we’re arguing about something that happened a year ago that my vote/money had nothing to do with.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 11:07:02am

Reading Material on Heath Mello from Fact Check by Ballotpedia.

Here is link and full explanation of Mello’s voting on four abortion legislation votes that led to Fact Check’s conclusion. It is very thorough and give full details of Mello’s voting and position.

Fact check: Heath Mello’s voting record on abortion

Conclusion

Former Nebraska state Sen. Heath Mello, the Democratic candidate in Omaha’s mayoral race, was joined at an April 20 campaign rally by DNC Chair Keith Ellison, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and Nebraska Democratic Party Chair Jane Kleeb.[1] That elicited a critical response from Ilyse Hogue, the president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, who characterized Mello as an “anti-choice candidate” and said the Democrats’ embrace of him was “politically stupid.”[2]

During his time in the Nebraska Senate, Mello voted for three bills that put restrictions on abortion.[3][4][5] Mello also voted to bar health insurance plans offered through state-run exchanges from covering abortion; to require that, if an ultrasound is performed prior to an abortion, its images be displayed; and to require that women undergo screening for various risk factors before the procedure.[8][6][7]

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 11:07:46am

re: #209 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That could very well explain Trump’s twitter tantrum earlier today, if indeed the info in that tweet is accurate.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 11:09:16am

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

That could very well explain Trump’s twitter tantrum earlier today, if indeed the info in that tweet is accurate.

Not a good idea to take anything Scott Dworkin says at face value. He’s one of the worst liberal fake news peddlers.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:09:41am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Okay but you did ignore my other points) That Mello in fact outperformed the previous Dem candidate for mayor in that city and that ultimately Omahans voted against him and suggesting that the DNC didn’t back him out of spite towards Sanders is silly. You may not like hearing this but your state with the exception of that one district that went for President Obama in 2008 is a heavily Republican state. The DNC only has so much political capital to invest in.

Ultimately Omahans didn’t turn out for the election. Democrats are 60% of the electorate in Omaha,

The Post and Wall Street Journal articles did the damage. Stothert won the 2013 election by beating the incumbent Democratic mayor Jim Suttle.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:09:50am

re: #248 ObserverArt

Reading Material on Heath Mello from Fact Check by Ballotpedia.

Here is link and full explanation of Mello’s voting on four abortion legislation votes that led to Fact Check’s conclusion. It is very thorough and give full details of Mello’s voting and position.

Fact check: Heath Mello’s voting record on abortion

It in fact is totally different from what other Dem politicians who regard themselves as personally pro life but politically pro choice which is what I argued last spring when Mello’s record on choice was likened to Kaine’s record in the Senate.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:10:54am

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹

Ultimately Omahans didn’t turn out for the election. Democrats are 60% of the electorate in Omaha,

The Post and Wall Street Journal articles did the damage. Stothert won the 2013 election by beating the incumbent Democratic mayor Jim Suttle.

How many Omahans read the Post and Wall Street Journal? And the Democrats not turning out in Omaha frankly is on them. Stop blaming us for the fact that your very Republican state votes Republicans in more than it does Democrats.

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 11:11:26am

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Not a good idea to take anything Scott Dworkin says at face value. He’s one of the worst liberal fake news peddlers.

Ah, good to know.

That having been said, if Roger Stone were indicted - and if there were additional charges against Manafort in the not-too-distant future - well, I really wouldn’t be shocked one damn bit.

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 11:12:35am

They zoomed in on the river of lava coming from fissure 20. The size is a bit deceiving, as the gas pushing up the bubble of lava there (which is next to a boulder) is pushing the lava up several feet:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:15:09am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

It in fact is totally different from what other Dem politicians who regard themselves as personally pro life but politically pro choice which is what I argued last spring when Mello’s record on choice was likened to Kaine’s record in the Senate.

Ballotpedia cited the faulty Post and Journal articles.

Here’s something you probably don’t know about Ballotpedia:

The Lucy Burns Institute (Publishers of Ballotpedia, Judgepedia and WikiFOIA) and Her Right-Wing Bedfellows (PR Watch)

The too-long didn’t read version: Ballotpedia is funded by the right-wing Sam Adams Institute and Koch Industries.

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BigPapa  May 20, 2018 • 11:15:22am

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Not a good idea to take anything Scott Dworkin says at face value. He’s one of the worst liberal fake news peddlers.

He’s the Louise Mensch of HA Goodmans

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:16:05am

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹

Ballotpedia cited the faulty Post and Journal articles.

Here’s something you probably don’t know about Ballotpedia:

The Lucy Burns Institute (Publishers of Ballotpedia, Judgepedia and WikiFOIA) and Her Right-Wing Bedfellows (PR Watch)

The too-long didn’t read version: Ballotpedia is funded by the right-wing Sam Adams Institute and Koch Industries.

I didn’t link to Ballotpedia. I linked to Project Vote Smart but okay have it your way.

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 11:16:47am

Allrighty then….gonna call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 11:17:44am

Trump is really freaking out there today.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 11:18:58am
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BigPapa  May 20, 2018 • 11:19:57am

#IHerebyDemand must trend if there is any good left in the world

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:20:04am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

How many Omahans read the Post and Wall Street Journal? And the Democrats not turning out in Omaha frankly is on them. Stop blaming us for the fact that your very Republican state votes Republicans in more than it does Democrats.

A bunch read the Omaha World-Herald, which cited the same articles. Activist Democrats read Daily Kos, which cited the same articles.

You know, it’s awfully hard to admit when a person has been taken in by a news article that is false. As noted by psychologists, people presented with information which goes against what they believe tend to double down on their belief.

100% rating by Planned Parenthood. That’s what he had.

When Daily Kos pulled it’s support, that was statewide news, in every newspaper and every television station. Daily Kos corrected that after the election.

I presume at this point if I post his entire legislative record from the Unicameral it won’t make any difference here.

Moving on.

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 11:20:18am

As the noose gets tighter, the thing squirms all the more.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:20:56am

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I didn’t link to Ballotpedia. I linked to Project Vote Smart but okay have it your way.

This is your link, when hovering over and copying it:

ballotpedia.org

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mmmirele  May 20, 2018 • 11:21:25am

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Not a good idea to take anything Scott Dworkin says at face value. He’s one of the worst liberal fake news peddlers.

I wish I could have voted this up 1000 times. Every time I see a friend quote or retweet him, it annoys me to no end.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:22:32am

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

This is your link, when hovering over and copying it:

ballotpedia.org

No, that was OA’s link.
This was my link:
votesmart.org
Are you going to claim that Vote Smart that despite being founded by a former Democratic opponent of McCain’s is right wing too?

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 11:23:06am

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹

Ballotpedia cited the faulty Post and Journal articles.

Here’s something you probably don’t know about Ballotpedia:

The Lucy Burns Institute (Publishers of Ballotpedia, Judgepedia and WikiFOIA) and Her Right-Wing Bedfellows (PR Watch)

The too-long didn’t read version: Ballotpedia is funded by the right-wing Sam Adams Institute and Koch Industries.

So, they printed his actual votes in complete error?

And when they say “Ballotpedia reviewed the legislation and verified Mello’s votes,” those are not votes?

I went with that article is it was one of the more current summations where many links were articles in the heat of the debate and they looked to be all over the place. Also, it looks like the whole thing died down right after the election.

And the only reason I am discussing this is based on the contention it is a ‘purity politics’ issue and I am thinking it is more than that. Purity Politics seems to really downplay the concerns.

And of course, this will indeed come up again.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:25:32am

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

A bunch read the Omaha World-Herald, which cited the same articles. Activist Democrats read Daily Kos, which cited the same articles.

You know, it’s awfully hard to admit when a person has been taken in by a news article that is false. As noted by psychologists, people presented with information which goes against what they believe tend to double down on their belief.

100% rating by Planned Parenthood. That’s what he had.

When Daily Kos pulled it’s support, that was statewide news, in every newspaper and every television station. Daily Kos corrected that after the election.

I presume at this point if I post his entire legislative record from the Unicameral it won’t make any difference here.

Moving on.

And the Omaha newspaper couldn’t have done its own home work on a legislator for their state? I’m just saying. You’re acting like his record was 100% pro-choice and that was misrepresented. That is incorrect on your part. . Take up your grievances with the Omahans who through their own conscience chose not to vote for this guy not some guy in Virginia.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 11:26:52am

re: #260 Charles Johnson

re: #264 freetoken

As the noose gets tighter, the thing squirms all the more.

Worse before it gets better.

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BlueGrl21  May 20, 2018 • 11:27:00am

I’m watching Lincoln again. Still a great movie.

1. Tommy Lee Jones alone is a good enough reason to watch it. Throw in Daniel Day-Lewis and enjoy.

2. The House has always been batshit nuts. It’s just the nuts are occasionally strong-armed into submission.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 11:27:45am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:29:40am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

No, that was OA’s link.
This was my link:
votesmart.org
Are you going to claim that Vote Smart that despite being founded by a former Democratic opponent of McCain’s is right wing too?

My apologies on mistaking the links.

As for Vote Smart, I refer you again to the article at The Nation above. All of the links to the legislation and votes are internal links to more Vote Smart. None go to the Nebraska Legislature.

At any rate, Mello is retired from politics now. It is unlikely we’ll see him again running for office around here. Stothert in the meantime is positioning herself for Governor after Ricketts is out from term-limits.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 11:29:43am

re: #260 Charles Johnson

Trump is really freaking out there today.

Not Trump, Dan Scavino.

These don’t look anything like real Trump tweets.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 11:31:05am

I’m always going to think of the as the fictionalizing presidency. Some made war, some made peace a couple made greatness happen. But this one just makes lies.

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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 11:31:05am

re: #272 Charles Johnson

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I’ve never been a Maria Bartiromo fan, but I thought she was a business news commentator/reporter. So, Fox has everyone slumming for Trump now?

Dang. Souls are cheap these days.

Here Maria…it is your job to read this and express it like it is your passionate view.

Acting!

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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 11:31:10am

The Civilbeat guy zoomed in on fissure 17, and he claims that the hill immediate to the right was all built by the fissure over the past week:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:32:12am

re: #257 BigPapa

He’s the Louise Mensch of HA Goodmans

Even if H. Asshole Goodman came out of the closet and is a Trumpette????

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:33:22am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

And the Omaha newspaper couldn’t have done its own home work on a legislator for their state? I’m just saying. You’re acting like his record was 100% pro-choice and that was misrepresented. That is incorrect on your part. . Take up your grievances with the Omahans who through their own conscience chose not to vote for this guy not some guy in Virginia.

The World-Herald owns every major newspaper in the state, and is specifically aligned with the Republican Party since 1934. Why would they fact-check the Wall Street Journal?

Warren Buffett tried to buy the company in 2011 but the shareholders rejected the bid.

By marketshare, the World-Herald has the highest percentage of print subscribers of any major city’s newspaper.

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BigPapa  May 20, 2018 • 11:34:08am

re: #278 Joe Bacon 🌹

Even if H. Asshole Goodman came out of the closet and is a Trumpette????

Don’t ask questions, just go with it. Wheee!

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2018 • 11:35:40am
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ObserverArt  May 20, 2018 • 11:36:47am

re: #273 Anymouse 🌹

My apologies on mistaking the links.

As for Vote Smart, I refer you again to the article at The Nation above. All of the links to the legislation and votes are internal links to more Vote Smart. None go to the Nebraska Legislature.

At any rate, Mello is retired from politics now. It is unlikely we’ll see him again running for office around here. Stothert in the meantime is positioning herself for Governor after Ricketts is out from term-limits.

It’s all going to come up again and again. We can not discuss purity politics, but it has become another tool to mess with inner-Democratic issues. Just another thing the party needs to be clarified and strong on and makle that clear for outsiders that want to run…as non-members of the party.

Hmmm. Maybe that is the problem.

And with that, I am gung-ho to go sand what I hope are the last plaster touches of the dining room I am reconstructing.

Grrr, mmmble…mmmmble…I hate that in humid conditions.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:36:49am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

The World-Herald owns every major newspaper in the state, and is specifically aligned with the Republican Party since 1934. Why would they fact-check the Wall Street Journal?

Warren Buffett tried to buy the company in 2011 but the shareholders rejected the bid.

By marketshare, the World-Herald has the highest percentage of print subscribers of any major city’s newspaper.

So this large newspaper that has been aligned with the Republican Party for over 80 years has influence on voters. Thanks. You just sort of proved my point that Mello had an uphill battle regardless of his past record on choice. And Journalism 101 is that you fact check regardless of who your source is.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 11:37:27am

Are our aviation fans in the house? Discussion-Did sheer ugliness kill this airplanes chances?

What if Boeing won the competition against the F-35?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:37:51am

Sorry AM if I come off a little peeved. We had basement flooding yesterday and we had to remove carpet and all that crap and it’s put my niece’s brand new room into a rut. Fortunately nothing of hers was destroyed but it’s stressful.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:39:27am

Trump making demands: A day ending in -day.

My regional paper (the Scottsbluff Star-Herald, owned by the Omaha paper) never reports on Trump’s crazy. Neither does our Sinclair owned television stations.

If I mention something crazy Trump said or did, I get looked at around here like I grew three additional heads and a tail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 11:39:52am

I hereby demand, and will officially do so tomorrow, that SyFy release Expanse episode 306 for On Demand viewing on Comcast cable systems!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 11:44:25am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:44:28am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

So this large newspaper that has been aligned with the Republican Party for over 80 years has influence on voters. Thanks. You just sort of proved my point that Mello had an uphill battle regardless of his past record on choice. And Journalism 101 is that you fact check regardless of who your source is.

I agree that is Journalism 101. They did fact check. They ran the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post articles. They wouldn’t print faulty information would they? (We also got the Nazi next door is just like you op-ed from the New York Times.)

Mello was ahead in the polling until the faulty articles came out and became statewide news. Stothert was only in office for her first term at the time after she defeated the previous Democratic mayor.

Stothert was not well-liked over her street plan. All it took for her to win reëlection was depressing just enough Democratic voters from turning out.

For Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal, mission accomplished.

For all those who say things like “well, those red state voters deserve what they get” they sure don’t seem to mind all the blue voters in those red states getting it as well.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 11:49:06am

re: #289 Anymouse 🌹

I agree that is Journalism 101. They did fact check. They ran the Wall Street Journal and Washington Post articles. They wouldn’t print faulty information would they? (We also got the Nazi next door is just like you op-ed from the New York Times.)

Mello was ahead in the polling until the faulty articles came out and became statewide news. Stothert was only in office for her first term at the time after she defeated the previous Democratic mayor.

Stothert was not well-liked over her street plan. All it took for her to win reëlection was depressing just enough Democratic voters from turning out.

For Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal, mission accomplished.

For all those who say things like “well, those red state voters deserve what they get” they sure don’t seem to mind all the blue voters in those red states getting it as well.

You’ve said so yourself that the information would be available on the Nebraska State Legislature’s site. Why didn’t they check there? I’m just saying. There needs to be some personal accountability on those voters if you feel Mello’s record on choice was misrepresented. I’m not saying they deserve what they got, I’m saying that voters need to check these sort of things. My belief remains in the end that Mello lost because Mello could not get enough votes and that’s got nothing to do with anything I or anyone here did. You’ve said so yourself that the city’s biggest newspaper is a Republican organ and has a lot of readers. Wouldn’t that indicate that favorability aside early on for Mello that he faced a bit of an uphill battle.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2018 • 11:50:00am

re: #284 Unshaken Defiance

Are our aviation fans in the house? Discussion-Did sheer ugliness kill this airplanes chances?

What if Boeing won the competition against the F-35?

No, what killed the X-32 was that the contest heavily weighed vertical flight performance. The X-35’s lift fan design was much stronger than the X-32’s vectored thrust system, which also suffered from additional losses due to recycling it’s own exhaust.

Now, in practice the F-35 never comes close to using its full vertical lift capability, so some people argue that the program testing criteria was flawed. Still, the X-32 didn’t outperform the X-35 in any other flight characteristic. Also looking towards the future the F-35 B design offers some interesting potential for ditching the lift fan entirely and using the drive shaft to directly power a solid state energy weapon system housed in the lift fan bay.

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ipsos  May 20, 2018 • 11:51:39am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

The World-Herald owns every major newspaper in the state, and is specifically aligned with the Republican Party since 1934. Why would they fact-check the Wall Street Journal?

Warren Buffett tried to buy the company in 2011 but the shareholders rejected the bid.

By marketshare, the World-Herald has the highest percentage of print subscribers of any major city’s newspaper.

I know we’ve had this exact same conversation before. The Kiewit family did sell the World-Herald and its other papers around the state to Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway in 2011.

cnbc.com

bhmginc.com

And it’s factually untrue to say that the World-Herald owns “every major paper” in the state. The second-largest paper, the Lincoln Journal-Star, is owned by Lee Enterprises.

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ipsos  May 20, 2018 • 11:54:01am

re: #279 Anymouse 🌹

Also, the “Republican organ” you claim the World-Herald to be… they endorsed Hillary Clinton in 2016:

omaha.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 11:55:45am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

You’ve said so yourself that the information would be available on the Nebraska State Legislature’s site. Why didn’t they check there? I’m just saying. There needs to be some personal accountability on those voters if you feel Mello’s record on choice was misrepresented. I’m not saying they deserve what they got, I’m saying that voters need to check these sort of things. My belief remains in the end that Mello lost because Mello could not get enough votes and that’s got nothing to do with anything I or anyone here did. You’ve said so yourself that the city’s biggest newspaper is a Republican organ and has a lot of readers. Wouldn’t that indicate that favorability aside early on for Mello that he faced a bit of an uphill battle.

Why didn’t they check there? Again, the World-Herald is Republican-aligned, so is the Wall Street Journal.

As for voters, how many voters are actually political junkies who check those sorts of things? And for those who are, Daily Kos misreported it using the same articles. The political junkies who read there were also mislead, because Kos did not use Journalism 101 either.

As noted in The Nation article, the initial push against Mello was from a woman in Tennessee who’d never heard of him until the faulty articles came out. (“Faulty” is the most charitable words I’ll use to describe them.)

The Nation actually checked his record. Planned Parenthood actually gave him a 100% rating (which didn’t seem to make it into anyone’s reporting either). I’m not of the opinion that Planned Parenthood is anti-choice.

I’ve tried to bail on this a couple times already. I’ll leave The Nation link again, in case it wasn’t read before, on how he was actually torpedoed from outside the state.

thenation.com

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 11:56:07am

re: #284 Unshaken Defiance

Are our aviation fans in the house? Discussion-Did sheer ugliness kill this airplanes chances?

What if Boeing won the competition against the F-35?

I believe the Marine version of the X-32 came up short.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 11:56:54am
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 12:00:48pm

re: #294 Anymouse 🌹

Why didn’t they check there? Again, the World-Herald is Republican-aligned, so is the Wall Street Journal.

As for voters, how many voters are actually political junkies who check those sorts of things? And for those who are, Daily Kos misreported it using the same articles. The political junkies who read there were also mislead, because Kos did not use Journalism 101 either.

As noted in The Nation article, the initial push against Mello was from a woman in Tennessee who’d never heard of him until the faulty articles came out. (“Faulty” is the most charitable words I’ll use to describe them.)

The Nation actually checked his record. Planned Parenthood actually gave him a 100% rating (which didn’t seem to make it into anyone’s reporting either). I’m not of the opinion that Planned Parenthood is anti-choice.

I’ve tried to bail on this a couple times already. I’ll leave The Nation link again, in case it wasn’t read before, on how he was actually torpedoed from outside the state.

thenation.com

You’re making it sound like this was a gigantic conspiracy by Republicans at this Omaha Newspaper and the WSJ and Democratic activists from outside the state to deny him the election. Can’t you just concede that the voters had some obligation to actually research? I’m sorry but if the Dem nominee was regarded as weak on a key issue to me, I’d look into it any way I could to verify its accuracy. And you know what? I’ve actually done that since Tim Kaine was characterized as being anti-abortion when he first ran for state wide office. And I do see Mello’s 100% PP rating. I also see that the head of NARAL criticized him and that he also had a 0% from PP other years.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 12:01:26pm

re: #292 ipsos

I know we’ve had this exact same conversation before. The Kiewit family did sell the World-Herald and its other papers around the state to Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway in 2011.

cnbc.com

bhmginc.com

And it’s factually untrue to say that the World-Herald owns “every major paper” in the state. The second-largest paper, the Lincoln Journal-Star, is owned by Lee Enterprises.

You are correct and I am mistaken. The Journal-Star ranks second, behind the World-Herald (which circulates in the same area) and just ahead of the Grand Island Independent).

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 12:03:26pm
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ipsos  May 20, 2018 • 12:03:34pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

You are correct and I am mistaken. The Journal-Star ranks second, behind the World-Herald (which circulates in the same area) and just ahead of the Grand Island Independent).

Thanks.

We can disagree on matters of opinion (and from talking to my family members in Omaha, there were a lot of reasons they were lukewarm about Mello, though they did vote for him). But it’s nice when we can at least agree on facts and acknowledge when we’re wrong. It separates us from the savages.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 12:05:21pm

re: #276 ObserverArt

I’ve never been a Maria Bartiromo fan, but I thought she was a business news commentator/reporter. So, Fox has everyone slumming for Trump now?

Dang. Souls are cheap these days.

Here Maria…it is your job to read this and express it like it is your passionate view.

Acting!

Every single one of them, yeah.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 12:05:32pm

re: #300 ipsos

Thanks.

We can disagree on matters of opinion (and from talking to my family members in Omaha, there were a lot of reasons they were lukewarm about Mello, though they did vote for him). But it’s nice when we can at least agree on facts and acknowledge when we’re wrong. It separates us from the savages.

I appreciate your perspective on this. Didn’t know you had family in Omaha. Personally, I don’t know the state nor the city like either of you do but I feel he had an uphill battle anyhow. I guess my main point is from what was reported I can understand why voters like your family had reservations and as I further got at, I understand why the activists felt that Sanders was being a hypocrite. And FWIW if I lived in Omaha, I would have voted for him too.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 12:09:44pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

You’re making it sound like this was a gigantic conspiracy by Republicans at this Omaha Newspaper and the WSJ and Democratic activists from outside the state to deny him the election. Can’t you just concede that the voters had some obligation to actually research? I’m sorry but if the Dem nominee was regarded as weak on a key issue to me, I’d look into it any way I could to verify its accuracy. And you know what? I’ve actually done that since Tim Kaine was characterized as being anti-abortion when he first ran for state wide office. And I do see Mello’s 100% PP rating. I also see that the head of NARAL criticized him and that he also had a 0% from PP other years.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (referencing Hillary Clinton’s statement in 1998 at Wikipedia).

No I cannot concede it. There were in fact Democratic leaning sites and people (Daily Kos, and this one after I endorsed Mello for election) who influenced voters from outside the state with faulty information.

Where do the vast majority of voters get their information? The news media. If the news media is not reporting factual information (The New York Times and the Iraq War and breathless reporting on Hillary Clinton’s E-mails come to mind), how many voters even know where to look up things like legislative records?

I have enough trouble finding where people on my local school board stand, and I know every one of them.

I’m logging out now. I need a break and a nap or four.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 12:11:57pm

re: #303 Anymouse 🌹

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (referencing Hillary Clinton’s statement in 1998 at Wikipedia).

No I cannot concede it. There were in fact Democratic leaning sites and people (Daily Kos, and this one after I endorsed Mello for election) who influenced voters from outside the state with faulty information.

Where do the vast majority of voters get their information? The news media. If the news media is not reporting factual information (The New York Times and the Iraq War and breathless reporting on Hillary Clinton’s E-mails come to mind), how many voters even know where to look up things like legislative records?

I have enough trouble finding where people on my local school board stand, and I know every one of them.

I’m logging out now. I need a break and a nap or four.

Yeah okay tell yourself that there was a vast right wing conspiracy to deny the Dems a mayorship in Omaha. I can go along with you that there was sloppy reporting but you’re losing me big time here when you say there’s no obligation on votes to look into their candidates beyond the news media. Take it easy and have a good day. We’re through on this. Agree to disagree I guess.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2018 • 12:12:51pm

re: #295 Single-handed sailor

I believe the Marine version of the X-32 came up short.

The entire contest was basically a boondoggle in that mandating a common airframe with variants for three service branches guaranteed that no branch got what it actually wanted.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 12:14:46pm

Moving on. I thought of another controversial music opinion. And that’s this: The Beatles didn’t reach their full potential because they waited too long to use George. George was an equal in talent as John and Paul.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 12:16:20pm

From last weekend’s walk - Rango just groovin’ on nature….

Yesterday, I let him decide where we’d walk. He took us up a fire road on Sugarloaf Mountain that goes over a saddle and down into San Juan Canyon in Belmont. As we headed downhill, I warned him that ever foot we gave up, we’d have to claw back on the return trip - in his case, literally. He kept on regardless.

Either he didn’t believe me, or he didn’t care.

Or he doesn’t understand English.

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William Lewis  May 20, 2018 • 12:16:46pm

re: #284 Unshaken Defiance

Are our aviation fans in the house? Discussion-Did sheer ugliness kill this airplanes chances?

What if Boeing won the competition against the F-35?

Bad as the F35 is, the F-32 was worse. The whole thing has stunk like the Sgt York since day one. (Back to work for an hour! )

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 20, 2018 • 12:17:29pm

re: #307 Blind Frog Belly White

From last weekend’s walk - Rango just groovin’ on nature….

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Yesterday, I let him decide where we’d walk. He took us up a fire road on Sugarloaf Mountain that goes over a saddle and down into San Juan Canyon in Belmont. As we headed downhill, I warned him that ever foot we gave up, we’d have to claw back on the return trip - in his case, literally. He kept on regardless.

Either he didn’t believe me, or he didn’t care.

Or he doesn’t understand English.

Rango rocks.

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stpaulbear  May 20, 2018 • 12:21:58pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

The Beatles didn’t reach their full potential?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 12:23:50pm

re: #310 stpaulbear

The Beatles didn’t reach their full potential?

You heard me. It’s controversial music opinions :). I believe they could have been even better.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 20, 2018 • 12:26:11pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

You heard me. It’s controversial music opinions :). I believe they could have been even better.

It could be argued that their genius was the volatile creative mix that made their split up inevitable. In fact, I bet it has been argued.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 12:27:14pm

re: #312 Blind Frog Belly White

It could be argued that their genius was the volatile creative mix that made their split up inevitable. In fact, I bet it has been argued.

True point. I just wanted to stir the pot here but I do believe George’s talents weee underutilized.

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austin_blue  May 20, 2018 • 12:41:54pm

re: #284 Unshaken Defiance

Are our aviation fans in the house? Discussion-Did sheer ugliness kill this airplanes chances?

What if Boeing won the competition against the F-35?

I’m going to agree with Frank on this one. The whole JSF “concept” reminds me of the development of the F-111, started in ‘61, with models for both the USAF and USN as strike/fighter aircraft based on a single airframe. It just didn’t work, the USN dropped the program in ‘68 to build the F-14, and the AF was never entirely pleased with either the F-111 they ended up with of the FB-111 medium bomber version.

Different jobs require different airframes, especially today. The A-10 was the best anti-armor aircraft ever made, bar none. The plane is literally built around the gun. The F-22 is a great fighter, but it’s also a notorious hanger queen. The F-15 was a great fighter and a decent bomber in its day. So is the F-18 now. Ditto the F-16.

But they are all better at some things than others. The JSF program was designed to be all things to all needs, except heavy strategic bombing and troop transport. I think it was doomed to produce, at best, marginally capable aircraft that will quickly become obsolete.

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Barefoot Grin  May 20, 2018 • 4:20:10pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

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