Video: The Untold Story of Why Credit Cards Have That Annoying Chip

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Ever wondered why the chip on your credit card made it slower — or where the chip and stripe on your credit card even came from?

Here’s the story. In the mid-’60s, the airline industry had a problem. The 747, the first real jumbo jet, had just been introduced. There were more passengers at the airport than before. More passengers meant longer lines. And that was especially bad because this was the era when customers paid for their tickets right there at the airport — often by credit card.

Back then, paying by credit cards was a whole ordeal. The airlines had to call up the bank manually in order to confirm the card. With lines growing, the airlines needed a faster process. So they called IBM to ask for help, and that’s where our story (which also features some French fraudsters and a hippie inventor) begins.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 6:21:33pm

Okay kids, whats this for? :-)

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austin_blue  May 20, 2018 • 6:22:01pm

re: #1 Unshaken Defiance

Okay kids, whats this for? :-)

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The tool of Satan.

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thecommodore  May 20, 2018 • 6:22:37pm
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MsJ  May 20, 2018 • 6:23:16pm

This is a rather nice way of saying FU. Looks like trump lost the DOJ.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2018 • 6:23:45pm

re: #1 Unshaken Defiance

Okay kids, whats this for? :-)

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The bane of delivery drivers.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 6:24:34pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 20, 2018 • 6:24:42pm

This is such an own-goal by Trump.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2018 • 6:24:56pm

re: #4 MsJ

This is a rather nice way of saying FU. Looks like trump lost the DOJ.

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Like so often, Donny is not gonna like where this goes.

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jaunte  May 20, 2018 • 6:25:59pm

re: #1 Unshaken Defiance

My uncle Charley had a whole career selling those.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 6:26:27pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Like so often, Donny is not gonna like where this goes.

Can’t wait to see what Fox and Friends has to say in the morning, because that’ll be what Trump tweets in the afternoon.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 6:26:58pm
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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 6:28:10pm

re: #1 Unshaken Defiance

That thing goes *shunk shunk*.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2018 • 6:28:13pm

re: #10 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Can’t wait to see what Fox and Friends has to say in the morning, because that’ll be what Trump tweets in the afternoon.

I’m gonna guess they’ll find some way to argue that this still isn’t “enough.”

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thecommodore  May 20, 2018 • 6:28:39pm

Nunes is obstructing justice in plain site, and must be stopped. Andrew Janz is the top Democrat running against him in CA-22, and while Nunes is a powerhouse (still very popular in his district, where a lot people think Trump-Russia is “fake news” and he has met the water needs of the largely agriculutral district), we’ve seen that nothing is impossible in this cycle, given the major blue shift in even the most conservative districts. So I urge everyone to get behind Janz, and maybe, just maybe, we can get Nooney Tunes out of there.

Disclaimer: I am not connected to the Janz campaign in any way, save for one donation.

andrewjanzforcongress.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 6:29:27pm

re: #10 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Can’t wait to see what Fox and Friends has to say in the morning, because that’ll be what Trump tweets in the afternoon.

No, that is what the Marmalade Shitcannon will tweet in about 20 minutes after getting his instructions from his handlers at FAUX and FIENDS!

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 6:29:31pm

re: #9 jaunte

My uncle Charley had a whole career selling those.

My first serious job-Selling jewelry at the family store. I so remember calling in the credit card to get the approval code and make the sale.

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 6:31:21pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 6:34:22pm

In other news, I finished the water pump/hose/thermostat replacement and radiator cleaning on the big brown Lincoln. It was a bigger job than I’d thought, but after a couple of close calls and some cleanup, it’s got good water pressure and I’m sure the system is clean. She’s one step closer to taking a long road trip.

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jaunte  May 20, 2018 • 6:36:00pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:39:23pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Abbott may be one of the most detestable wingnut governors in the nation and that really says something. His stupid tweet about Texas “falling” behind California in gun ownership shows what kind of man he is.

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Belafon  May 20, 2018 • 6:39:58pm

I replied late in the last thread, but anyone who suggests that the second amendment is there to provide defense against a tyrannical government needs to prove it.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:41:33pm

re: #21 Belafon

I replied late in the last thread, but anyone who suggests that the second amendment is there to provide defense against a tyrannical government needs to prove it.

I’d like to know how you’re protecting yourself against a tyrannical government by open carrying at a graduation ceremony.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 6:43:06pm

re: #21 Belafon

I replied late in the last thread, but anyone who suggests that the second amendment is there to provide defense against a tyrannical government needs to prove it.

Isn’t that old news since Heller ?

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KGxvi  May 20, 2018 • 6:43:37pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

The House of Saud collapses if/when the global demand for oil drops. Part of that, I assume, is what is driving the Crown Prince’s modernization program.

Likewise, the Russian economy is also tied to oil and when prices dropped earlier this decade they faced a potential recession. Putin knows that if oil becomes less important in his life time he may end up hanging from the business end of a light post.

There is no real surprise that these nations would be behind efforts to deny climate change and fight any sort of improvement in the status quo

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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2018 • 6:44:04pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

That thing goes *shunk shunk*.

Wayyyyyyyyy back in the day I worked at a Jefferson Ward. We shunk shunked & had to call from the register for approval. Took forever. I called once & they said confiscate the card. I did & the cc Co gave me a 50.00 bonus.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 6:44:12pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I’d like to know how you’re protecting yourself against a tyrannical government by open carrying at a graduation ceremony.

I’m still trying to figure out how open carrying at a school doesn’t immediately bring the SWAT team down on your ass.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 6:44:42pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I’d like to know how you’re protecting yourself against a tyrannical government by open carrying at a graduation ceremony.

Well, obviously it’s to stand up to those librul kids who are trying to take away all the gunz.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:45:11pm

re: #23 Unshaken Defiance

Isn’t that old news since Heller ?

I think he means in a legal way. That gun girl from KSU was claiming that the 2nd doesn’t exist for hunting, it exists to protect against tyranny. What tyranny could you possibly need protected from when you’re shaking the Dean’s hand at your graduation ceremony?

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2018 • 6:45:26pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

I’m still trying to figure out how open carrying at a school doesn’t immediately bring the SWAT team down on your ass.

White Privilege. Never leave home without it.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:45:54pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

I’m still trying to figure out how open carrying at a school doesn’t immediately bring the SWAT team down on your ass.

You ain’t kidding. And that little brat had the nerve to cry it was racism to point out that her white privilege allowed her to open carry like that without said event happening.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 6:46:40pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

White Privilege. Never leave home without it.

Yeahbutt whites are the ones doing all the killing.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 6:47:11pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

Yeahbutt whites are the ones doing all the killing.

Dude, that’s profiling, bro. We only do that to Those People.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:47:58pm

re: #32 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Dude, that’s profiling, bro. We only do that to Those People.

You’re supposed to take white mass shooters to BK and use deadly force on a black guy who has the marijuana. //

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:49:46pm

I’ve seen some gun advocates I know argue that gun control itself is inherently racist and will lead to more things like what we saw with Philando Castile but guess what, even with our lax gun laws, people like him and others still get killed. And yeah I take issue with calling gun control racist especially when absolute gun ownership is often used under the pretense of “protection” against “those people.”

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jaunte  May 20, 2018 • 6:50:20pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

You ain’t kidding. And that little brat had the nerve to cry it was racism to point out that her white privilege allowed her to open carry like that without said event happening.

She’s a young Aunt Lydia.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:51:59pm

re: #35 jaunte

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She’s a young Aunt Lydia.

I totally expect to see her on FNC and at the various right wing circle jerks where they jerk each other off and tell each other how great they are and how liberals are oppressing them.

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KGxvi  May 20, 2018 • 6:52:43pm

re: #21 Belafon

I replied late in the last thread, but anyone who suggests that the second amendment is there to provide defense against a tyrannical government needs to prove it.

At the time it was written:

The US did not have a standing army, so the need to have able bodied men ready to defend the nation was entirely logical. Especially in a largely decentralized nation where it would take days if not weeks for news to spread across the nation.

But I’m the intervening 230 years (and especially the last 115), there have been crazy big technological developments in weapons. The idea that a band of guys with AR-15s and some pistols could beat a professional military equipped with tanks and armored vehicles equipped with fully automatics high caliber weapons is a fucking pipe dream.

The very drastic differences in reality in 1789 and 2018 make the Second Amendment a historical acronism. Like the Magna Carta, it made sense for the world in which it was written. But it is ill equipped to govern the world we live in today

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 6:52:44pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen some gun advocates I know argue that gun control itself is inherently racist and will lead to more things like what we saw with Philando Castile but guess what, even with our lax gun laws, people like him and others still get killed. And yeah I take issue with calling gun control racist especially when absolute gun ownership is often used under the pretense of “protection” against “those people.”

Gun control is only racist insofar as white people own most of the guns. And the reason behind THAT statistic is because black people and “others” are far more likely to be killed while carrying guns.

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Interesting Times  May 20, 2018 • 6:52:54pm

re: #35 jaunte

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She’s a young Aunt Lydia.

I think we should never even mention her name unless it’s to say, “Gun fetishist Kaitlin Marie Bennet, who liked a Facebook post calling for genocide and ethnic cleansing…”

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 6:54:49pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

I think we should never even mention her name unless it’s to say, “Gun fetishist Kaitlin Marie Bennet, who liked a Facebook post calling for genocide and ethnic cleansing…”

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Yep. Fucking bigoted little psycho.

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KGxvi  May 20, 2018 • 6:55:42pm

re: #38 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Gun control is only racist insofar as white people own most of the guns. And the reason behind THAT statistic is because black people and “others” are far more likely to be killed while carrying guns.

It’s also probably a legacy of Jim Crow… white supramcists in the south during that era didn’t want black people owning guns. A six shooter wasn’t called Col Colt’s equalizer for nothing

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Charles Johnson  May 20, 2018 • 7:00:03pm
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The Major  May 20, 2018 • 7:00:10pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

Yeahbutt whites are the ones doing all the killing.

Indeed - outside of the Virginia Tech and the Florida Islamic shooters, has their been a PoC who was a mass shooter ?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:00:23pm

It’s kind of how they use the fact that the Nazis limited Jews from owning guns as an argument. Ignores that the Nazis in fact allowed more gun ownership among “Aryans.” Not that different from how the pre Civil Rights South was fine with whites being armed to the teeth to engage in lynch mobs.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 7:00:45pm

re: #39 Interesting Times

So here’s a tip for you future murderers. Open carry and have a sign saying “come and take it” and you’re golden.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:00:51pm

re: #43 The Major

Indeed - outside of the Virginia Tech and the Florida Islamic shooters, has their been a PoC who was a mass shooter ?

Not many that I can think of.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:01:42pm

re: #45 Skip Intro

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So here’s a tip for you future murderers. Open carry and have a sign saying “come and take it” and you’re golden.

The whole thing was just a stupid publicity stunt to get her on Fox and Friends to whine about what a victim she was. I’m glad that some journalists as mentioned above saw that she’s a white supremacist.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 7:02:42pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

The whole thing was just a stupid publicity stunt to get her on Fox and Friends to whine about what a victim she was. I’m glad that some journalists as mentioned above saw that she’s a white supremacist.

Wingnut welfare!

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:03:12pm

re: #48 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wingnut welfare!

Yep. At its worst.

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KGxvi  May 20, 2018 • 7:04:00pm

re: #43 The Major

Indeed - outside of the Virginia Tech and the Florida Islamic shooters, has their been a PoC who was a mass shooter ?

There was the DC sniper case. And the profile at the time was “white guy”. My friend that passed away a few years ago was a Navy SEAL he was living/working in the DC area at the time and got stopped repeatedly because he fit the presumed profile at the time

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Interesting Times  May 20, 2018 • 7:05:00pm

As far as I can tell, no one posted this thread yet - definitely worth reading (from the Lawfare guy):

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:05:20pm

re: #50 KGxvi

There was the DC sniper case. And the profile at the time was “white guy”. My friend that passed away a few years ago was a Navy SEAL he was living/working in the DC area at the time and got stopped repeatedly because he fit the presumed profile at the time

Muhammad and Malvo were more defined as serial killers IIRC.

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2018 • 7:06:23pm

re: #37 KGxvi

At the time it was written:

The US did not have a standing army, so the need to have able bodied men ready to defend the nation was entirely logical. Especially in a largely decentralized nation where it would take days if not weeks for news to spread across the nation.

But I’m the intervening 230 years (and especially the last 115), there have been crazy big technological developments in weapons. The idea that a band of guys with AR-15s and some pistols could beat a professional military equipped with tanks and armored vehicles equipped with fully automatics high caliber weapons is a fucking pipe dream.

The very drastic differences in reality in 1789 and 2018 make the Second Amendment a historical acronism. Like the Magna Carta, it made sense for the world in which it was written. But it is ill equipped to govern the world we live in today

Remember, in their fantasy, half or more of the Armed Forces will suddenly declare that they’re prepared to engage in treason and insurrection in order to help a band of “patriots” in overturning the “tyrannical” government. And then totally support the “patriots” installing a new government instead of staging a military coup and installing some general as the new Dear Leader.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 7:06:57pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Yep. At its worst.

So which rich old white dude is paying for her full ride to the college of her choice?

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 7:07:09pm

re: #21 Belafon

I replied late in the last thread, but anyone who suggests that the second amendment is there to provide defense against a tyrannical government needs to prove it.

My two rifles and a shotgun are all I need against ICBMs and tanks.

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KGxvi  May 20, 2018 • 7:07:32pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Remember, in their fantasy, half or more of the Armed Forces will suddenly declare that they’re prepared to engage in treason and insurrection in order to help a band of “patriots” in overturning the “tyrannical” government. And then totally support the “patriots” installing a new government instead of staging a military coup and installing some general as the new Dear Leader.

Well, the last time there was mass treason and insurrection, half the military did join them. So they do have history on their side

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Belafon  May 20, 2018 • 7:07:34pm

re: #23 Unshaken Defiance

Isn’t that old news since Heller ?

Heller may have removed the well-regulated militia part, but it didn’t add anything about taking on the government.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 7:07:41pm

re: #43 The Major

Indeed - outside of the Virginia Tech and the Florida Islamic shooters, has their been a PoC who was a mass shooter ?

DC shooter comes to mind but that’s not a single incident. A string of attacks.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 7:08:15pm

re: #54 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So which rich old white dude is paying for her full ride to the college of her choice?

Someone who thinks Kellyanne is a real hottie.

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Skip Intro  May 20, 2018 • 7:08:35pm

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Targetpractice  May 20, 2018 • 7:08:47pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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I know it shows how much of a cynic I am, but I really do get the impression that the press are beginning to tire of actually reporting on the Russia investigation because it hurts their efforts to normalize Donny. And that they really wanna bite into the “Hillary/Obama colluded with Russia!” story so badly because it portrays their decades-long nemesis as the center of a vast conspiracy.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:09:02pm

re: #54 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So which rich old white dude is paying for her full ride to the college of her choice?

Well she already graduated.

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KGxvi  May 20, 2018 • 7:09:09pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Muhammad and Malvo were more defined as serial killers IIRC.

Fair. But a distinction without much of a difference, in my book

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:09:47pm

re: #58 Unshaken Defiance

DC shooter comes to mind but that’s not a single incident. A string of attacks.

Serial killer to be honest.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:10:23pm

re: #63 KGxvi

Fair. But a distinction without much of a difference, in my book

I dunno. I think it’s a fair distinction.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 7:11:54pm

re: #57 Belafon

Heller may have removed the well-regulated militia part, but it didn’t add anything about taking on the government.

No, almost the opposite. it got acknowledged as an individual right for self defense. No militia or revolution required.

Unless of course if one is defending family from say an ICE agent looking to break up the family, refusing to admit the actually legit citizenship papers are legit… And Mommy’s going to detention it could be on tomorrow with all the tragedy that comes with that sort of incident. That would be resisting Trumps tyranny.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 7:12:44pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

My Ruger .22 semi-auto rifle will be my trusty Excaliber against the Illuminati! I have three ten-round magazines!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 7:14:17pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

Someone who thinks Kellyanne is a real hottie.

Jesus fuck, that woman makes my willy shrink just at the mention of her name.

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ipsos  May 20, 2018 • 7:14:51pm

re: #54 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So which rich old white dude is paying for her full ride to the college of her choice?

The taxpayers of Ohio already picked up most of the freight for her education, even if it didn’t appear to stick.

Because, you know, tyrannical government and all that.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 7:14:54pm

re: #68 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Jesus fuck, that woman makes my willy shrink just at the mention of her name.

I was just gonna say the first time icewater made it bigger./

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 7:15:09pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

My Ruger .22 semi-auto rifle will be my trusty Excaliber against the Illuminati! I have three ten-round magazines!

My dad has a Marlin .22LR with a tube magazine. 14 rounds, if I recall correctly. I’m a pretty good shot with it at 100 yards. But stopping an A-10 or an M1A4 Abrams? Are you out of your fucking mind?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:15:27pm

re: #66 Unshaken Defiance

No, almost the opposite. it got acknowledged as an individual right for self defense. No militia or revolution required.

Unless of course if one is defending family from say an ICE agent looking to break up the family, refusing to admit the actually legit citizenship papers are legit… And Mommy’s going to detention it could be on tomorrow with all the tragedy that comes with that sort of incident. That would be resisting Trumps tyranny.

I personally think she defeats her argument that it’s for protection against tyranny when she’s wielding it at a graduation ceremony. And honestly if she’s so paranoid and mistrustful of the government, why is she attending a publically funded university and probably taking things like Pell Grants and student loans.

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jaunte  May 20, 2018 • 7:16:43pm

re: #71 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Are you out of your fucking mind?

Yes, they are. Or just playing dress-up to sell more product.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 7:19:15pm

re: #71 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I honestly haven’t fired any of my three weapons in years. They’re not even in my house, they’re in a gun safe at my parents house just down the road. I do have a picture of the last time I fired a weapon, my 12-gauge shotgun, with some friends. There was a big fire and dirt biking and shooting guns and bratwurst and whiskey. That was a good weekend. I’m far-left with the hat, holding my gun up and away from others, safety on, finger off the trigger.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:20:43pm

TBH I’ve never been into firing weapons. I’ve fired a couple times. Never made me feel more of a man. I get amused by the gun owners I know who feel they need to constantly buy guns and these are often the same people I know bellyaching about their taxes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 7:21:16pm

re: #74 teleskiguy

I haven’t fired a gun in a while either. Last few times I went shooting was with my dad’s 20-gauge pump-action and some clay pigeons. Before that, I was a practiced marksman with a .40 handgun, the aforementioned .22LR, and his .30-06 bolt-action Remington. I never did get the chance to shoot 300 yards with the .30-06, but one of these days I’ll convince my dad to go out for target practice when I’m back home in fish country.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 7:23:02pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I got into skeet shooting for a time. I’ve shot skeet off houseboats on Lake Powell. Out of my three weapons, my shotgun has definitely shot more than my other guns.

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MsJ  May 20, 2018 • 7:24:05pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

I know it shows how much of a cynic I am, but I really do get the impression that the press are beginning to tire of actually reporting on the Russia investigation because it hurts their efforts to normalize Donny. And that they really wanna bite into the “Hillary/Obama colluded with Russia!” story so badly because it portrays their decades-long nemesis as the center of a vast conspiracy.

The NYT gave complete cover today. Saying Guiliani said “the investigation was going to end by September 1” without fully qualifying anything (he actually said it might be over if trump agreed to an interview).

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:24:06pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

I got into skeet shooting for a time. I’ve shot skeet off houseboats on Lake Powell. Out of my three weapons, my shotgun has definitely shot more than my other guns.

I did some target shooting when I went out West. Just wasn’t for me. I don’t begrudge someone that hobby but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let someone question my manhood because I don’t like guns.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 7:24:37pm

re: #76 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have a .30-06 bolt action, 12-gauge pump action shotgun, and .22LR. No shit!

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Unshaken Defiance  May 20, 2018 • 7:24:41pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I personally think she defeats her argument that it’s for protection against tyranny when she’s wielding it at a graduation ceremony. And honestly if she’s so paranoid and mistrustful of the government, why is she attending a publically funded university and probably taking things like Pell Grants and student loans.

Of course she does. But rhetoric is bending reality here. No pistols won’t stop the SWAT guys. But a rusty old revolver can kill an agent or cop in a split second. An armed crowd is any cops nightmare. F-15’s notwithstanding.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:25:39pm

re: #81 Unshaken Defiance

Of course she does. But rhetoric is bending reality here. No pistols won’t stop the SWAT guys. But a rusty old revolver can kill an agent or cop in a split second. An armed crowd is any cops nightmare. F-15’s notwithstanding.

Yep and that’s what she didn’t care about when she went crying on Fox and Friends about the people who called her.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 7:25:42pm

This will probably be easier to catch for all you lizard more Left Coast oriented.
Gonna take a bit of commitment for all of us on the Correct Coast

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 20, 2018 • 7:26:22pm

re: #24 KGxvi

The House of Saud collapses if/when the global demand for oil drops. Part of that, I assume, is what is driving the Crown Prince’s modernization program.

Likewise, the Russian economy is also tied to oil and when prices dropped earlier this decade they faced a potential recession. Putin knows that if oil becomes less important in his life time he may end up hanging from the business end of a light post.

There is no real surprise that these nations would be behind efforts to deny climate change and fight any sort of improvement in the status quo

Also, I’m sure Russia carries on the same kind of simplistic “environmental” thinking from the Soviet Era. They see things getting warmer as a big gain for them, and if they can make money off making it happen, great! And Saudi Arabia figures their climate can’t get any worse, so why not?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 20, 2018 • 7:26:25pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

I have a .30-06 bolt action, 12-gauge pump action shotgun, and .22LR. No shit!

Pretty standard guns for most basic gunowners, I’d imagine. A pumpy is cheap and easy for a novice hunter. A .22LR is almost required in rural America. And thanks to WWII, .30-06 caliber rifles are literally everywhere.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 7:27:01pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:27:35pm

re: #86 teleskiguy

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Very underrated film. Also an early demonstration of Ice Cube’s acting chops.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 7:30:44pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Roger Ebert called the film “one of the best films of 1999” and called it “some kind of weird masterpiece.”

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:31:04pm

I honestly don’t have a problem with concealed holstering. But open carry? Nope. If I own a business and you show up open carrying, I’m going to kick you the fuck out and I don’t want to hear you crying about how I’m discriminating against you as a gun owner. I’m protecting my property, patrons, and self when I do that.

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danarchy  May 20, 2018 • 7:31:20pm

re: #43 The Major

Indeed - outside of the Virginia Tech and the Florida Islamic shooters, has their been a PoC who was a mass shooter ?

Mother Jones had an article where they dove into the statistics of mass shooters. I think the findings were that most were men(90+%) but the racial demographics pretty much mirrored the demographics of the country.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:32:11pm

re: #88 teleskiguy

Roger Ebert called the film “one of the best films of 1999” and called it “some kind of weird masterpiece.”

It’s been a while since I have seen it but from what I recall, it really showed the nuance of the first Gulf War. Now, I completely understand why we sent troops there but that film made pre 9/11 no less showed the nuances of what we may have been or not fighting for.

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Dave In Austin  May 20, 2018 • 7:33:03pm
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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 7:33:48pm

re: #92 Dave In Austin

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A baby.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2018 • 7:56:56pm

I only saw 6 or 7 naked men and one bottle of vodka on this morning’s run.

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MsJ  May 20, 2018 • 7:57:35pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I only saw 6 or 7 naked men and one bottle of vodka on this morning’s run.

So they were having a party, then? 😂

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  May 20, 2018 • 7:58:19pm

re: #95 MsJ

So they were having a party, then? 😂

Oh, the whole damn run was a party. Running up Hayes St hill I finally feel like I know what a street party on a frat street would be like.

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 8:03:40pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I saw four naked men the day before my birthday at the Mary Jane ski area, well, actually two weeks ago. They were skiing down, when they got to the bottom there were people throwing snowballs at them. It was mildly comical.

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Belafon  May 20, 2018 • 8:05:05pm
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MsJ  May 20, 2018 • 8:05:54pm

re: #97 teleskiguy

I saw four naked men the day before my birthday at the Mary Jane ski area, well, actually two weeks ago. They were skiing down, when they got to the bottom there were people throwing snowballs at them. It was mildly comical.

Naked folks in CA is one thing. Naked folks *skiing* in the assumably freezing cold is a whole other thing. A tiny, shrunken other thing.

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 8:06:51pm

re: #98 Belafon

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Have it your way Rudy. The public believes Comey over your dumbass and Trump’s even dumber.

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calochortus  May 20, 2018 • 8:08:31pm

re: #99 MsJ

Naked folks in CA is one thing. Naked folks *skiing* in the assumably freezing cold is a whole other thing. A tiny, shrunken other thing.

Think of the sunburn from the reflection off the snow…

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 8:09:27pm

re: #99 MsJ

Naked folks in CA is one thing. Naked folks *skiing* in the assumably freezing cold is a whole other thing. A tiny, shrunken other thing.

Naked skiing!

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KGxvi  May 20, 2018 • 8:11:23pm

The “demand” tweet reminded me of something… Trump had a predilection for praising Andrew Jackson in the past. Jackson’s presidency was most notable for two things… destroying the Bank of the US and the trail of tears. That second one is more consequential to Trump’s presidency.

When the Supreme Court ruled that the removal of native Americans was illegal, Jackson ordered it forward and allegedly said “the Chief Justice has made his ruling, now let him enforce it”. That has always been an important lesson in history, because it’s a reminder of how fragile our system has always been

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 8:16:47pm

re: #90 danarchy

As far as school shootings go, and I’m relying on my memory here, the vast bulk of the perpetrators have been white, suburban, middle class/upper-middle class teenage males, usually motivated by some perceived personal grievances.

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 8:19:45pm

re: #98 Belafon

LOLOL Trump is a pathological liar. He cannot help himself.

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makeitstop  May 20, 2018 • 8:19:47pm

This afternoon we went to the nearby Old Bethpage Village Restoration, where they’ve bought and moved historic houses from all over Long Island and reconstruct them in the ‘village.’ And today they had WWII re-enactors and old tanks, personnel carriers and jeeps. They also had Exhibits of German memorabilia (weapons, canteens, radio rigs, etc), and there were a lot of guys in vintage GI uniforms. I felt bad for them, it was pretty warm today.

Pics behind the button.

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mmmirele  May 20, 2018 • 8:21:32pm

re: #1 Unshaken Defiance

Okay kids, whats this for? :-)

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Bane of my early 20s. I worked in a college bookstore and at the beginning of term, we had kajillions of credit cards come through. Any card had to be looked up in these newsprint booklets we got on a regular basis. If it was over a certain amount, it had to be called in. During “rush”, we had one person delegated to sit behind a phone at a desk calling Visa or MasterCard to get approvals.

Fun moments were when we discovered a card in the book and we had to confiscate it. Usually it was some kid with mommy’s credit card and they’d been cut off for some reason. *snip, snip* send it back and the lucky cashier got a $50 reward. Other fun moments which happened a lot more frequently was when you’d have to go back to your register to tell a student her card had been declined. We’d put their name on the bag of books, but they never came back for them.

Of course none of this can ever top the excitement of someone throwing a biology textbook ($60 new in those days) at you when you told them there was a new edition coming out over the summer and “we aren’t using that any more.” Students seemed to have this entitlement thing where they expected to get half of their cost back, but you know, it just didn’t work out that way.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:28:35pm

re: #107 mmmirele

Bane of my early 20s. I worked in a college bookstore and at the beginning of term, we had kajillions of credit cards come through. Any card had to be looked up in these newsprint booklets we got on a regular basis. If it was over a certain amount, it had to be called in. During “rush”, we had one person delegated to sit behind a phone at a desk calling Visa or MasterCard to get approvals.

Fun moments were when we discovered a card not in the book and we had to confiscate it. Usually it was some kid with mommy’s credit card and they’d been cut off for some reason. *snip, snip* send it back and the lucky cashier got a $50 reward. Other fun moments which happened a lot more frequently was when you’d have to go back to your register to tell a student her card had been declined. We’d put their name on the bag of books, but they never came back for them.

Of course none of this can ever top the excitement of someone throwing a biology textbook ($60 new in those days) at you when you told them there was a new edition coming out over the summer and “we aren’t using that any more.” Students seemed to have this entitlement thing where they expected to get half of their cost back, but you know, it just didn’t work out that way.

I remember 45 years ago at Pitt it was Cash Only at the book store with the sole exception being installment payments on HP calculators—back when HP’s first basic calculator cost $495 and the deluxe model with metal stripe cards that held 128 bytes cost $799. And then kids who failed to make the installment payment on time had them repossessed. One had it taken from them in the middle of an accounting exam…

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calochortus  May 20, 2018 • 8:29:59pm

re: #107 mmmirele

I remember the guy that bought used textbooks. Paperbacks were $1 a handful. He had freakishly large hands.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 20, 2018 • 8:31:46pm
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Stanley Sea  May 20, 2018 • 8:31:51pm

re: #106 makeitstop

This afternoon we went to the nearby Old Bethpage Village Restoration, where they’ve bought and moved historic houses from all over Long Island and reconstruct them in the ‘village.’ And today they had WWII re-enactors and old tanks, personnel carriers and jeeps. They also had Exhibits of German memorabilia (weapons, canteens, radio rigs, etc), and there were a lot of guys in vintage GI uniforms. I felt bad for them, it was pretty warm today.

Pics behind the button.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:37:26pm

Holy crap the “Lock Her Up” shit is ricocheting around the net again and it’s cranked up to 11…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 20, 2018 • 8:44:09pm

Gee, what will the righties do for scapegoats when Alinsky, Soros, and Clinton all kick the bucket?

Oh. Wait.

Alinsky has been dead for a long time but that does not seem to inhibit his involvement in their conspiracies at all.

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 8:44:47pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump should be careful what he wishes for. Given Trump’s almost legendary ability to turn gold into shit, this might not end the way he hopes it will.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 20, 2018 • 8:47:59pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Gee, what will the righties do for scapegoats when Alinsky, Soros, and Clinton all kick the bucket?

Oh. Wait.

Alinsky has been dead for a long time but that does not seem to inhibit his involvement in their conspiracies at all.

Don’t worry. The Clinton haters are already in full Chelsea hate mode especially on Twitter.

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Dr Lizardo  May 20, 2018 • 8:56:18pm

OK. Off to work. Later, Lizards.

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meteor  May 20, 2018 • 8:59:43pm
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dangerman  May 20, 2018 • 9:02:17pm

re: #7 Barefoot Grin

This is such an own-goal by Trump.

He doesn’t understand and won’t learn how the levers of political and governmental power actually work

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plansbandc  May 20, 2018 • 9:03:16pm
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Belafon  May 20, 2018 • 9:04:44pm

re: #119 plansbandc

LOLOLOL

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 9:06:05pm
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Jay C  May 20, 2018 • 9:07:16pm

re: #43 The Major

Indeed - outside of the Virginia Tech and the Florida Islamic shooters, has their been a PoC who was a mass shooter ?

Omar Matteen (Pulse Nightclub, Orlando shooter)?

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HappyWarrior  May 20, 2018 • 9:11:23pm

re: #113 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Gee, what will the righties do for scapegoats when Alinsky, Soros, and Clinton all kick the bucket?

Oh. Wait.

Alinsky has been dead for a long time but that does not seem to inhibit his involvement in their conspiracies at all.

They’ll find new ones. Just like Obama replaced Carter.

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VegasGolfer  May 20, 2018 • 9:12:40pm

re: #122 Jay C

The dallas shooting in ‘16, the 2013 dorner shooting in ca. to name a few.

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dangerman  May 20, 2018 • 9:13:11pm

re: #94 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I only saw 6 or 7 naked men and one bottle of vodka on this morning’s run.

I saw three naked rabbits

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 9:16:09pm

re: #43 The Major

Indeed - outside of the Virginia Tech and the Florida Islamic shooters, has their been a PoC who was a mass shooter ?

Micah Xavier Johnson, Dallas 2016, targeting police during protest over the deaths of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge and Philando Castile in Minnesota

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prairiefire  May 20, 2018 • 9:18:19pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 20, 2018 • 9:30:14pm

So yeah. Deadpool. GO SEE IT. :)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 20, 2018 • 9:41:32pm

re: #128 GlutenFreeJesus

So yeah. Deadpool. GO SEE IT. :)

Can’t do it

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prairiefire  May 20, 2018 • 9:50:47pm

May 17th, Pahoa

This one is very close to our folks. They are out of their home now.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 20, 2018 • 9:57:30pm

IA few of you mentioned this recently — but I finally listened to my landline VM from the past week — and one message clearly sounded as though it was Chinese. Heaven knows why they contacted me.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 20, 2018 • 10:07:03pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Can’t do it

Oh yes you can. :))))))

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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 10:36:35pm
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freetoken  May 20, 2018 • 10:47:29pm
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meteor  May 20, 2018 • 10:57:05pm
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teleskiguy  May 20, 2018 • 10:59:55pm

Hey Charles!

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Single-handed sailor  May 20, 2018 • 11:20:30pm

re: #136 teleskiguy

Hey Charles!

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I like his December tweet.

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goddamnedfrank  May 20, 2018 • 11:34:14pm
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sagehen  May 20, 2018 • 11:44:45pm

So I just watched PBS’ American Masters episode on Louisa May Alcott (“Little Women” is semi-autobiographical, although she made the March family be 20 years after her and her sisters being that age)…

Her father was a schoolteacher/school owner whose school failed because he allowed a black kid to enroll, so the white families pulled their kids out and sent them elsewhere.

So the Alcott family moved to an artsy-fartsy hippie-hippie neighborhood (no, they didn’t call it that then… it was “transcendentalist”). Her father’s best friends in the neighborhood, who hung out at their house a lot and Louisa played with their kids, were Nathaniel Hawthorne, Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 12:32:59am

re: #7 Barefoot Grin

This is such an own-goal by Trump.

but his fans are cheering it and refuse to believe it was not the opponent’s net that he kicked it into…

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Single-handed sailor  May 21, 2018 • 12:40:46am

Not many things piss me off more than auto-focus cameras. Whoever the fuck designed the logic behind them is an idiot. If you’re filming something, especially in low light and contrast, use manual focus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 12:43:36am

re: #21 Belafon

I replied late in the last thread, but anyone who suggests that the second amendment is there to provide defense against a tyrannical government needs to prove it.

they have a notion that “a well-regulated militia” means WOLVERINES!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 12:45:35am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

The whole thing was just a stupid publicity stunt to get her on Fox and Friends to whine about what a victim she was. I’m glad that some journalists as mentioned above saw that she’s a white supremacist.

They will convince us that she is just a person with alternative political viewpoints.

Because to them White Supremacism and Fascism are no longer totally anathema to American values.

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 12:53:35am

re: #141 Single-handed sailor

While I appreciate the guy on Hawaii sharing the video, he clearly is not a photographer/videographer.

Still, his cam is the only one streaming live from the vents.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  May 21, 2018 • 12:53:47am

re: #133 teleskiguy

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After Television refused to let them open for them, The Damned gave us “Idiot Box”.

The Damned - Idiot Box (1977)

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Ace-o-aces  May 21, 2018 • 12:54:29am
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Single-handed sailor  May 21, 2018 • 12:58:49am

re: #144 freetoken

While I appreciate the guy on Hawaii sharing the video, he clearly is not a photographer/videographer.

Still, his cam is the only one streaming live from the vents.

Actually this is a backup guy that is supposed to cover cameras tonight and had a 5 min lesson and I think the original guy set it to auto brightness, to make it easier, told him about the microphone and hdmi cable and a bit more. I’m not sure the replacement guy is awake since we lost sound.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 12:59:33am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Remember, in their fantasy, half or more of the Armed Forces will suddenly declare that they’re prepared to engage in treason and insurrection in order to help a band of “patriots” in overturning the “tyrannical” government. And then totally support the “patriots” installing a new government instead of staging a military coup and installing some general as the new Dear Leader.

at the same time they are “concerned” about Jade Helm exercises turning into a FIFA coup

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 1:00:40am

re: #55 teleskiguy

My two rifles and a shotgun are all I need against ICBMs and tanks.

No, you need at least seventeen rifles, three shotguns, eight pistols with a year’s supply of ammo along with a collection of crude hand-built explosives to take on the Tyrannical Usurpers

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 1:02:03am

re: #66 Unshaken Defiance

No, almost the opposite. it got acknowledged as an individual right for self defense. No militia or revolution required.

Unless of course if one is defending family from say an ICE agent looking to break up the family, refusing to admit the actually legit citizenship papers are legit… And Mommy’s going to detention it could be on tomorrow with all the tragedy that comes with that sort of incident. That would be resisting Trumps tyranny.

Which I guess is your good right if you want to defend yourself and your home against criminals.

But you don’t get to define who is “criminal”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 1:02:35am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I personally think she defeats her argument that it’s for protection against tyranny when she’s wielding it at a graduation ceremony. And honestly if she’s so paranoid and mistrustful of the government, why is she attending a publically funded university and probably taking things like Pell Grants and student loans.

because it is all posturing and gun pr0n for chrissakes

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Single-handed sailor  May 21, 2018 • 1:02:49am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’ve got one rifle and 80 rounds. I’m pretty sure I’ll die of old age before I have to kill 80 things. I’ve had it for 25 years and I haven’t had to kill 1 thing yet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 1:04:59am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

TBH I’ve never been into firing weapons. I’ve fired a couple times. Never made me feel more of a man. I get amused by the gun owners I know who feel they need to constantly buy guns and these are often the same people I know bellyaching about their taxes.

We once watched “The Outlaw Josie Wells” that features those old Colt cap-and-ball pistols, which I found fascinating. The local (well regulated) gun club in Germany was holding a Western Weekend and offered a chance to fire one for a small fee, so I went and checked it out.
It was in fact intriguing to see how they loaded and primed them and enjoyed firing five shots. Have had no interest since.

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Dave In Austin  May 21, 2018 • 1:06:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 1:31:39am

re: #121 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Owner Story: “Dad started putting in new toilet. Walked away for a few minutes and came back to this.”

Sis-in-law tells story of how she was in the midst of potty training nephew and took him to the plumbing section of a department store. Being a good lad, he saw the display toilet and promptly used it, being unaware that it was not connected.

She says she went back weeks later and it still had not been cleaned up…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 1:32:44am

re: #122 Jay C

Omar Matteen (Pulse Nightclub, Orlando shooter)?

And he was held up as proof of how Trump wants to defend gays against Muslims.

And the Fort Hood mass shooter was also Muslim.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 1:35:42am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 1:39:31am

T-minus 5 minutes

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 1:45:48am

Antares go VROOM

And, it’s haulin’ ass

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 2:00:29am

re: #159 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s delivering packages to the ISS… sort of like Amazon does to my place, except with bang.

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Single-handed sailor  May 21, 2018 • 2:06:19am

re: #157 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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$35 million more to launch 1/3 the weight of the Falcon 9 reusable. They use Russian engines, too.

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 2:09:14am

re: #161 Single-handed sailor

$35 million more to launch 1/3 the weight of the Falcon 9 reusable. They use Russian engines, too.

That’s a feature, not a bug.

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 2:19:13am

Not to be too much a Debbie-Downer, but….

I’m not very optimistic about the future of manned space travel.

As long as the world has economies that can function with large energy production, there will be surveillance, weather, and communication satellites. These are now almost assembly-line type of items. Innovations are incremental, even 20 year old designs will work to get the job done.

But humans in space - why? Very costly, and the only benefit is an ephemeral one, an ideal, a bit of transient utopia.

Weightlessness is not good for mammals. Radiation above our atmosphere is deadly and extreme measures have to be taken for protection. All supplies for life have to be lifted out of the Earth’s gravity well at great expense.

There is no known, even theoretical, means of travel off the surface of our planet other than impulse (the transfer of momentum), which is very limiting. Railgun ideas have never panned out. Elevators are wacky.

And once off the surface and above the body of the atmosphere, all one has is the transfer of momentum, which means taking fuel along, which is very limiting.

All other fictional devices used in our favorite book/tv/movie stories are just that, fiction.

I am not implying that the quest for knowledge is not an end in itself. But what more is there to learn by keeping animals (humans) in orbit?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 2:46:21am

re: #163 freetoken

Not to be too much a Debbie-Downer, but….

I’m not very optimistic about the future of manned space travel.

But humans in space - why? Very costly, and the only benefit is an ephemeral one, an ideal, a bit of transient utopia.

Weightlessness is not good for mammals. Radiation above our atmosphere is deadly and extreme measures have to be taken for protection. All supplies for life have to be lifted out of the Earth’s gravity well at great expense.

Mary Roach did an entertaining work on all the difficulties connected with humans in space: Packing for Mars

The gravity issue can be dealt with by building rotating space stations, but the basic issues of supplying people with food air and waste disposal systems are incredibly costly and complex in space.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 2:52:41am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And he was held up as proof of how Trump wants to defend gays against Muslims.

And the Fort Hood mass shooter was also Muslim.

And San Bernardino.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 2:53:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 2:55:30am

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

And San Bernardino.

proof that we need to round them all up and deport them with extreme prejudice

/

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2018 • 2:59:35am

re: #163 freetoken

Not to be too much a Debbie-Downer, but….

I’m not very optimistic about the future of manned space travel.

As long as the world has economies that can function with large energy production, there will be surveillance, weather, and communication satellites. These are now almost assembly-line type of items. Innovations are incremental, even 20 year old designs will work to get the job done.

But humans in space - why? Very costly, and the only benefit is an ephemeral one, an ideal, a bit of transient utopia.

Weightlessness is not good for mammals. Radiation above our atmosphere is deadly and extreme measures have to be taken for protection. All supplies for life have to be lifted out of the Earth’s gravity well at great expense.

There is no known, even theoretical, means of travel off the surface of our planet other than impulse (the transfer of momentum), which is very limiting. Railgun ideas have never panned out. Elevators are wacky.

And once off the surface and above the body of the atmosphere, all one has is the transfer of momentum, which means taking fuel along, which is very limiting.

All other fictional devices used in our favorite book/tv/movie stories are just that, fiction.

I am not implying that the quest for knowledge is not an end in itself. But what more is there to learn by keeping animals (humans) in orbit?

Eventually we’re going to have to expand off this mudball to other worlds. Even if over-population and resource depletion are not proving the major dangers that thinkers once portrayed them as, we’re still looking at a very real future where any number of major disasters could make continued habitation of this planet impossible or at the very least extremely difficult. It would be infinitely better to tackle these problems now, when human exploration is viewed as a “luxury,” than under the time crunch of trying to move humanity to another world before it’s totally snuffed out.

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William Lewis  May 21, 2018 • 3:01:56am

re: #163 freetoken

Not to be too much a Debbie-Downer, but….

I’m not very optimistic about the future of manned space travel.

As long as the world has economies that can function with large energy production, there will be surveillance, weather, and communication satellites. These are now almost assembly-line type of items. Innovations are incremental, even 20 year old designs will work to get the job done.

But humans in space - why? Very costly, and the only benefit is an ephemeral one, an ideal, a bit of transient utopia.

Weightlessness is not good for mammals. Radiation above our atmosphere is deadly and extreme measures have to be taken for protection. All supplies for life have to be lifted out of the Earth’s gravity well at great expense.

There is no known, even theoretical, means of travel off the surface of our planet other than impulse (the transfer of momentum), which is very limiting. Railgun ideas have never panned out. Elevators are wacky.

And once off the surface and above the body of the atmosphere, all one has is the transfer of momentum, which means taking fuel along, which is very limiting.

All other fictional devices used in our favorite book/tv/movie stories are just that, fiction.

I am not implying that the quest for knowledge is not an end in itself. But what more is there to learn by keeping animals (humans) in orbit?

I’m a firm believer that we need to have self sustaining populations off earth. On the moon and on Mars. We have no long term hope so long as all our eggs remain in one basket.

As for fuel and velocity, the ore on the lunar surface, via the abundant solar energy, gives aluminium for building, hydrogen for fuel & oxygen for breathing and oxidizer. Much less of an expensive gravity well.

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 3:02:22am

re: #168 Targetpractice

We’re not getting to another planet.

They are too far away.

And finding a habitable one is like finding a needle in a haystack. We have yet to find one, and there is little reason to believe we will indeed find one even within a 100 light years.

And given even the closest star will take centuries to reach in a one-way trip… well, we’re just not going anywhere.

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 3:04:48am

re: #169 William Lewis

We have no long term hope so long as all our eggs remain in one basket.

That’s my point.

We only have one basket.

We will only ever have one basket.

As such, we better take care of it really, really well.

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William Lewis  May 21, 2018 • 3:07:02am

re: #170 freetoken

And we’ll never fly.
Or climb Everest.
Or stand on the moon…

But OTOH, the future is likely to instead be nothing but the 70’s writ large…

And as the Moon shines down
On the shattered launching ground,
I remember Apollo,
Who flew the chariot of the Sun.
And I wonder of the legends they will tell
A thousand years from now.

Julie Ecklar

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William Lewis  May 21, 2018 • 3:08:52am

re: #171 freetoken

That’s my point.

We only have one basket.

We will only ever have one basket.

As such, we better take care of it really, really well.

Don’t worry. The GOP sees no profit in knowledge or long term survival. We’ll all be serfs soon and our grandchildren will remain undisturbed by science or anything other than doing what they’re told to do.

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2018 • 3:11:53am

re: #170 freetoken

We’re not getting to another planet.

They are too far away.

And finding a habitable one is like finding a needle in a haystack. We have yet to find one, and there is little reason to believe we will indeed find one even within a 100 light years.

And given even the closest star will take centuries to reach in a one-way trip… well, we’re just not going anywhere.

We have a moon and a planet within a year’s travel distance of Earth. While both will require new methods of construction and adaptation, it is entirely within our means to colonize them. Humans as we know them may change the fit their new environments, but they will still live on in the event that Earth becomes uninhabitable. The alternative is continuing to gamble that we can keep the same planet viable until we one day develop the means to travel to distance stars.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 3:12:27am

re: #170 freetoken

We’re not getting to another planet.

They are too far away.

And finding a habitable one is like finding a needle in a haystack. We have yet to find one, and there is little reason to believe we will indeed find one even within a 100 light years.

And given even the closest star will take centuries to reach in a one-way trip… well, we’re just not going anywhere.

not with our current technology which, only 115 years ago, did not allow us to achieve powered flight…

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2018 • 3:20:06am

“A planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever.”

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 3:39:51am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not with our current technology which, only 115 years ago, did not allow us to achieve powered flight…

115 years ago…

HG Wells had already written a story about men going to the moon, using an idea of anti-gravity which is not real and not how we really get off the surface of the planet.

Jules Verne’s story of going to the moon was already 40 years old, and it used a method which is the same basic physics we use today, though we use combustibles in a backward facing “cannon” versus a shooting cannon into the sky.

Folks, most sci-fi stories are no closer to reality than creationists with Genesis.

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2018 • 3:47:52am

re: #177 freetoken

115 years ago…

HG Wells had already written a story about men going to the moon, using an idea of anti-gravity which is not real and not how we really get off the surface of the planet.

Jules Verne’s story of going to the moon was already 40 years old, and it used a method which is the same basic physics we use today, though we use combustibles in a backward facing “cannon” versus a shooting cannon into the sky.

Folks, most sci-fi stories are no closer to reality than creationists with Genesis.

Then perhaps it’s time we pack it in as a species if we look at science fiction and conclude that we’re better off assuming what exists now is the pinnacle of human ingenuity. Why fantasize about electric cars and fusion reactors when coal and oil are plentiful now?

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wheat-dogg  May 21, 2018 • 3:53:41am

While launching people and material into orbit is expensive, there are some advantages once you are up there.
— free solar energy
— the Moon and the asteroids have ores and water ice that can be refined into metals and dissociated to provide oxygen — and water of course. Moving those materials around in space is much cheaper than bringing them up from the Earth’s surface. There may also be commercial uses for such materials on the ground.
— While there are health risks to living in free-fall long term, a low-g environment may be beneficial for certain people with existing health problems.

To use an old cliché, Rome was not built in a day. Right now, we have only a small toehold in space — the ISS. But it will soon be joined by a new Tiangong space station from China, and China is dead set on landing people on the Moon by 2050, if not sooner. It’s not a question of if we colonize space, it’s a question of when. Yes, the economics of it right now suck, and only nation-states have the financial wherewithal for long term space programs, but that situation is not going to last forever. Once private enterprise learns how to profit from space exploration, there will be a steady upflow of people off planet.

A very crude analogy would be European exploration and exploitation of the New World. Spain paid for Columbus’ expedition in 1492. Within a century, there were private enterprises making regular — and very risky — transatlantic voyages. Within two centuries, there were full-fledged colonies of “regular people” all over the Americas. We’ve only had people in orbit and off planet since the 1960s. Give it time.

That said, the timeline set out in The Expanse, to me, seems overly optimistic. The authors rely on the plot device of an efficient and powerful fusion-ion drive to enable reasonably swift travel around the solar system within the next 200 years. It’s probably going to take a bit longer than that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 3:56:36am

re: #177 freetoken

115 years ago…

HG Wells had already written a story about men going to the moon, using an idea of anti-gravity which is not real and not how we really get off the surface of the planet.

Jules Verne’s story of going to the moon was already 40 years old, and it used a method which is the same basic physics we use today, though we use combustibles in a backward facing “cannon” versus a shooting cannon into the sky.

Folks, most sci-fi stories are no closer to reality than creationists with Genesis.

Current technology will not allow us to get far at all, I agree. And no end of fantasizing will change that.

Things might look different in a few decades/centuries

We only just invented science a few centuries ago, think of how many interesting developments were lost because we had no structured way to preserve and spread knowledge.

No, it was not Aliens, it was very smart humans, but because knowledge was power and power was not to be shared, a lot of things died out with their inventors.

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wheat-dogg  May 21, 2018 • 4:00:03am

One item on my bucket list that may never come true is to stand on the surface of Mars, and failing that, the Moon. At the rate we’re going, I’ll need to pass that particular item on to my grandchildren.

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jeffreyw  May 21, 2018 • 4:05:14am

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Good morning!

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sagehen  May 21, 2018 • 5:01:51am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Current technology will not allow us to get far at all, I agree. And no end of fantasizing will change that.

Things might look different in a few decades/centuries

We only just invented science a few centuries ago, think of how many interesting developments were lost because we had no structured way to preserve and spread knowledge.

No, it was not Aliens, it was very smart humans, but because knowledge was power and power was not to be shared, a lot of things died out with their inventors.

Might I recommend Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars trilogy?

Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars.

It’s doable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 5:05:53am

re: #183 sagehen

Might I recommend Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars trilogy?

Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars.

It’s doable.

Mars is doable even with current technology. Getting out of the solar system is another matter…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2018 • 5:14:15am

re: #21 Belafon

I replied late in the last thread, but anyone who suggests that the second amendment is there to provide defense against a tyrannical government needs to prove it.

The tyrannical government… The Whiskey Rebellion should have put the idea to rest that freedumb at all costs was not what the founding father had in mind when the bill of rights was incorporated into the Constitution. Unfortunately, understanding history has left the building. Then, as many others have noted, the USSC going bugnuts insane and ruling that the 2A is an individual’s right to kill at will didn’t help.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 5:26:01am

re: #185 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The tyrannical government… The Whiskey Rebellion should have put the idea to rest that freedumb at all costs was not what the founding father had in mind when the bill of rights was incorporated into the Constitution. Unfortunately, understanding history has left the building. Then, as many others have noted, the USSC going bugnuts insane and ruling that the 2A is an individual’s right to kill at will didn’t help.

They reserve the right to define “tyranny”.

i am sorry, but we have a free and legally elected government with checks and balances.

Remember that the NRA used to also present the argument that registering guns would make it easier for the Communists to seize them from Patriots when they took over? They have just replaced Communists with “Deep State” .

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2018 • 5:26:01am

re: #37 KGxvi

At the time it was written:

The US did not have a standing army, so the need to have able bodied men ready to defend the nation was entirely logical. Especially in a largely decentralized nation where it would take days if not weeks for news to spread across the nation.

And, the war of 1812 put to rest the idea that a militia could beat a professional army even with the technology of the time, let alone current armament.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 5:44:05am

Has Mad Grandpa gotten the FBI or Sessions to root out the “spy” or whatever he’s demanding the government do on his behalf?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 21, 2018 • 5:44:45am

re: #163 freetoken

Not to be too much a Debbie-Downer, but….

I’m not very optimistic about the future of manned space travel.

I’m not optimistic about the future of American manned space travel. OTOH I fully expect China to get to the moon, construct a base and then head for Mars while Americans continue wallowing in Idiotcracy with Bible studies. This country won’t end in a bang it will simply whimper along in churches every Sunday and then it’s off to the coliseums for the Sunday gladiator spectacle…

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 5:46:52am

From downstairs:

I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!

— Donald J. Trump

I remember when “King” Obama would routinely tweet his demands that the FBI drop its Hillary Email investigation and it’s Benghazi investigations.

//

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 21, 2018 • 5:47:25am

re: #188 Sir John Barron

Has Mad Grandpa gotten the FBI or Sessions to root out the “spy” or whatever he’s demanding the government do on his behalf?

The Screw York Times is doing that for him.

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 5:49:00am

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We only just invented science a few centuries ago, …

There are some long-dead Greeks who might take exception to that claim, unless by “a few” you mean 24 or so.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 5:49:59am

re: #21 Belafon

I replied late in the last thread, but anyone who suggests that the second amendment is there to provide defense against a tyrannical government needs to prove it.

That theory is directly contradicted by the Constitution itself, which authorizes Congress to call up the militia to suppress insurrection. And that is exactly what happened during the Whiskey Rebellion, when President George Washington personally led the militia to put the rebellion down. Words and acts show the actual intent, as opposed to the paranoid NRA Rambo fantasy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 5:53:51am

re: #192 freetoken

There are some long-dead Greeks who might take exception to that claim, unless by “a few” you mean 24 or so.

well, like lots of things, we invented it, but we really did not start using it for its intended purpose until the Renaissance

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 5:53:57am

re: #34 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen some gun advocates I know argue that gun control itself is inherently racist and will lead to more things like what we saw with Philando Castile but guess what, even with our lax gun laws, people like him and others still get killed. And yeah I take issue with calling gun control racist especially when absolute gun ownership is often used under the pretense of “protection” against “those people.”

Open carry is a privilege for whites. Any African-American openly carrying is likely to have the cops called on him and be gunned down on sight.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 5:54:12am

re: #193 Big Beautiful Door

That theory is directly contradicted by the Constitution itself, which authorizes Congress to call up the militia to suppress insurrection. And that is exactly what happened during the Whiskey Rebellion, when President George Washington personally led the militia to put the rebellion down. Words and acts show the actual intent, as opposed to the paranoid NRA Rambo fantasy.

But, but but but…..
//

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wheat-dogg  May 21, 2018 • 5:56:37am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

But, but but but…..
//

The Founding Fathers expressly created the 2nd Amendment to allow 20-somethings to bring semiautomatic weapons to their college graduation. It’s in the fine print.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 21, 2018 • 6:00:13am

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 6:04:39am

re: #71 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My dad has a Marlin .22LR with a tube magazine. 14 rounds, if I recall correctly. I’m a pretty good shot with it at 100 yards. But stopping an A-10 or an M1A4 Abrams? Are you out of your fucking mind?

Well as Iraq showed us, if there are thousands of radicalized gun cultists ready to wage a guerilla war against the US government it could tear the country to shreds. Fortunately the average age of Fox News viewers is pushing 70.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 6:06:22am

re: #177 freetoken

115 years ago…

HG Wells had already written a story about men going to the moon, using an idea of anti-gravity which is not real and not how we really get off the surface of the planet.

Jules Verne’s story of going to the moon was already 40 years old, and it used a method which is the same basic physics we use today, though we use combustibles in a backward facing “cannon” versus a shooting cannon into the sky.

Folks, most sci-fi stories are no closer to reality than creationists with Genesis.

I don’t expect black slabs to show up suddenly either. Science fiction is still science fiction.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 6:07:00am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

TBH I’ve never been into firing weapons. I’ve fired a couple times. Never made me feel more of a man. I get amused by the gun owners I know who feel they need to constantly buy guns and these are often the same people I know bellyaching about their taxes.

I saw a bumper sticker on the back of a rusting pick-up yesterday that said, “If you know how many guns you have, you don’t have enough!”

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:07:09am

re: #190 Sir John Barron

I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!

— Donald J. Trump

It’s interesting that racist grandpa leaves out the possibility that the FBI might have investigated his campaign’s Russian operatives.

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lawhawk  May 21, 2018 • 6:07:33am

re: #4 MsJ

This is a rather nice way of saying FU. Looks like trump lost the DOJ.

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If anyone did surveil or infiltrate a campaign… is another way to say that they’ll continue investigating Trump because his campaign is compromised and was hitting up foreign powers to try and manipulate the outcome of our election to Trump’s benefit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 6:08:19am

re: #202 Sir John Barron

It’s interesting that racist grandpa leaves out the possibility that the FBI might have investigated his campaign’s Russian operatives.

remember the whole “unmasking” debate?

it is all about presenting a plausible case to public opinion

so that his party can ignore mueller’s findings without looking complicit themselves

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:08:25am

re: #4 MsJ

This is a rather nice way of saying FU. Looks like trump lost the DOJ.

What is the DOJ response? I can no read the Twitters. Thx

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 6:09:18am

re: #205 Sir John Barron

What is the DOJ response? I can no read the Twitters. Thx

Someone else will need to post the image, but, in my reading, it basically boiled down to “We’ll look into it.”

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Chrysicat  May 21, 2018 • 6:13:05am
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Shropshire Slasher  May 21, 2018 • 6:14:52am

re: #205 Sir John Barron

It’s 9 am in DC this Monday morning. Let them at least get some coffee in them before demanding answers. I am sure half their office is still sitting in traffic.

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lawhawk  May 21, 2018 • 6:20:38am

re: #207 Chrysicat

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 6:27:52am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We once watched “The Outlaw Josie Wells” that features those old Colt cap-and-ball pistols, which I found fascinating. The local (well regulated) gun club in Germany was holding a Western Weekend and offered a chance to fire one for a small fee, so I went and checked it out.
It was in fact intriguing to see how they loaded and primed them and enjoyed firing five shots. Have had no interest since.

“Easy man to track. He leaves dead men wherever he goes.” Love that movie.

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wheat-dogg  May 21, 2018 • 6:29:26am

OK. My brain just got stuck. Send help.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 6:30:04am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And he was held up as proof of how Trump wants to defend gays against Muslims.

And the Fort Hood mass shooter was also Muslim.

Except it turned out that the shooter didn’t even know it was a gay club.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 6:32:12am

re: #211 wheat-dogg

OK. My brain just got stuck. Send help.

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Wait he’s complaining about China’s border with NK? He does know that’s how most people flee the DRPK. Oh forget it. It’s a morning Trump tweet.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 6:33:28am

re: #211 wheat-dogg

OK. My brain just got stuck. Send help.

“China has illegal aliens, too. They must stop that.”

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 6:34:04am

re: #163 freetoken

Not to be too much a Debbie-Downer, but….

I’m not very optimistic about the future of manned space travel.

As long as the world has economies that can function with large energy production, there will be surveillance, weather, and communication satellites. These are now almost assembly-line type of items. Innovations are incremental, even 20 year old designs will work to get the job done.

But humans in space - why? Very costly, and the only benefit is an ephemeral one, an ideal, a bit of transient utopia.

Weightlessness is not good for mammals. Radiation above our atmosphere is deadly and extreme measures have to be taken for protection. All supplies for life have to be lifted out of the Earth’s gravity well at great expense.

There is no known, even theoretical, means of travel off the surface of our planet other than impulse (the transfer of momentum), which is very limiting. Railgun ideas have never panned out. Elevators are wacky.

And once off the surface and above the body of the atmosphere, all one has is the transfer of momentum, which means taking fuel along, which is very limiting.

All other fictional devices used in our favorite book/tv/movie stories are just that, fiction.

I am not implying that the quest for knowledge is not an end in itself. But what more is there to learn by keeping animals (humans) in orbit?

I long said that for the cost of sending one manned mission to Mars, we can send a fleet of robots, with no risk to human life. OTOH, the election of Trump convinced me that Musk needs to establish a self-sustaining Mars colony before we exterminate ourselves on Earth.

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wheat-dogg  May 21, 2018 • 6:34:08am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Wait he’s complaining about China’s border with NK? He does know that’s how most people flee the DRPK. Oh forget it. It’s a morning Trump tweet.

I have no effing idea. I think he’s confusing the China-NK border with the Mexico-US border. Or something.

Gaaahhh!

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 6:38:02am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mars is doable even with current technology. Getting out of the solar system is another matter…

We have billions of years to solve that problem, if we last that long.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 6:38:12am

re: #216 wheat-dogg

I have no effing idea. I think he’s confusing the China-NK border with the Mexico-US border. Or something.

Gaaahhh!

He could well be. Every single day with this shit brain.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:39:19am

re: #211 wheat-dogg

OK. My brain just got stuck. Send help.

He doesn’t want NKs going to China? He doesn’t want Chinese migrating to NK? I is confused.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:41:15am

re: #219 Sir John Barron

He doesn’t want NKs going to China? He doesn’t want Chinese migrating to NK? I is confused.

He doesn’t want China letting Mexicans and other “animals” into NK?

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 6:44:14am

re: #207 Chrysicat

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Good news! Even if only 1-2% of WV voters are moronic enough to vote for Blankenship, that could secure the election for Manchin.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:47:01am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Good news! Even if only 1-2% of WV voters are moronic enough to vote for Blankenship, that could secure the election for Manchin.

Is Blankenship running an independent campaign or something? He was defeated in the GOP primary.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 21, 2018 • 6:47:02am

re: #220 Sir John Barron

Old news.

The North Korea border region is a highly strategic one for China, and has seen conflict during World War II and the Korean War, but one of Beijing’s chief concerns is not military forces pouring across the border, but refugees.
“A mass movement of North Korean civilians across the border into China is a major concern, particularly given the dense population centers not far from the border, and the economic importance of Northeast China,” according to a recent report by the US-based Jamestown Foundation.
While North Korea has proved remarkably capable of shrugging off economic sanctions, the country has suffered major famines and widespread food insecurity in the past, analysts say a conflict on the peninsula would likely result in hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of civilians heading north into China, the specter of which is a “huge worry for Beijing” according to the Council on Foreign Relations.

cnn.com

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:50:13am

re: #223 Shropshire Slasher

Old news.

cnn.com

Why does he, our ‘president’, care about this?

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 6:50:40am

re: #222 Sir John Barron

Is Blankenship running an independent campaign or something? He was defeated in the GOP primary.

He is going to run a third party campaign.

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lawhawk  May 21, 2018 • 6:52:55am

re: #224 Sir John Barron

Why does he, our ‘president’, care about this?

Because he’s trying to cut deals so he can profit, and if he can deliver in one place, he’ll benefit elsewhere.

It’s always about how the presidency can benefit him and his family financially. It’s always been what drove him to do this. He’s willing to sell US foreign policy to the bidder that gives him the best deal personally.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:54:38am

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

He is going to run a third party campaign.

Well bless his heart.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 21, 2018 • 6:55:06am

re: #224 Sir John Barron

A shared enemy makes for unlikely friends.

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danarchy  May 21, 2018 • 6:55:24am

re: #224 Sir John Barron

Why does he, our ‘president’, care about this?

Pretty sure he is talking about China-NK trade and not immigration in this instance. Increased trade could reduce leverage in any talks.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:56:19am

re: #226 Big Beautiful Door

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick of Texas has clarified that its not just doors that cause mass shootings at schools; video games and abortion are also at fault, so quit blaming the poor, innocent guns!

Video games don’t kill people, people kill people.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 6:59:07am

re: #226 Big Beautiful Door

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick of Texas has clarified that its not just doors that cause mass shootings at schools; video games and abortion are also at fault, so quit blaming the poor, innocent guns!

Not sure I follow the “doors” part of this headline. But yeah Patrick is a nutcase.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 6:59:26am

re: #230 danarchy

Pretty sure he is talking about China-NK trade and not immigration in this instance. Increased trade could reduce leverage in any talks.

Well he says the border is porous. Frankly I don’t care if China’s border with NK is. That border more so than the DMZ is how North Koreans can flee that regime.

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I cannot.  May 21, 2018 • 7:01:12am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

Patrick seems to “think” that too many doors make it easy for shooters to get in. Yes, really.

Apparently he hasn’t come across the concept of fire escapes or chokepoints.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 7:01:56am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

Not sure I follow the “doors” part of this headline. But yeah Patrick is a nutcase.

His initial response to the shooting was that there were too many doors in schools for the shooter to get in through.

Edit: The school had multiple armed guards, which means the “more guns” argument failed again.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 7:03:02am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Well he says the border is porous. Frankly I don’t care if China’s border with NK is. That border more so than the DMZ is how North Koreans can flee that regime.

I guess he wants the poor, famished North Koreans to stay put in their miserable country until DJT can rescue them, or something.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 7:03:21am

re: #236 Sir John Barron

I guess he wants the poor, famished North Koreans to stay put in their miserable country until DJT can rescue them, or something.

I have no idea.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 7:04:42am

re: #234 I cannot.

Patrick seems to “think” that too many doors make it easy for shooters to get in. Yes, really.

Apparently he hasn’t come across the concept of fire escapes or chokepoints.

Next: We have too many schools.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 7:05:19am

re: #238 Sir John Barron

Next: We have too many schools.

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Next: We have too many children in too many schools with too many doors.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 7:06:02am

re: #235 Belafon

His initial response to the shooting was that there were too many doors in schools for the shooter to get in through.

Edit: The school had multiple armed guards, which means the “more guns” argument failed again.

The ‘more guns’ argument has never failed, it has only been failed.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2018 • 7:06:07am

re: #236 Sir John Barron

I guess he wants the poor, famished North Koreans to stay put in their miserable country until DJT can rescue them, or something.

He said that in the tweet. Until I make a deal and receive adulation, all those ferriners can just suffer.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 21, 2018 • 7:10:36am

re: #241 Colère Tueur de Lapin

They could always try and cross the 38th parallel.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 7:12:23am

To which Trump responds:

h/t Daily Kos

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 7:13:31am

re: #235 Belafon

His initial response to the shooting was that there were too many doors in schools for the shooter to get in through.

Edit: The school had multiple armed guards, which means the “more guns” argument failed again.

point is that guns cannot have been the problem, therefore anything else, especially anything “liberal” has got to be the blame

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 7:13:55am

re: #243 Belafon

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h/t Daily Kos

Stupid fucker can’t even think for himself. He uses Bongino the kook.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 7:14:13am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

point is that guns cannot have been the problem, therefore anything else, especially anything “liberal” has got to be the blame

I wasn’t aware that doors were liberals.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 7:14:38am

re: #243 Belafon

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h/t Daily Kos

I love his Baroque use of Capitalization

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 7:16:10am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I wasn’t aware that doors were liberals.

They let “those people” in, and some of them swing both ways.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 7:16:41am

re: #248 Belafon

They let “those people” in, and some of them swing both ways.

Aha! Well played.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 7:17:50am

re: #243 Belafon

Dossier…he knows about the Dossier

Oh noes, Brennan knows about The Dossier!

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 7:19:24am

re: #243 Belafon

I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes

“surveilled”

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 7:21:03am

re: #251 Sir John Barron

I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes

He’s angry an American might have infiltrated his campaign but not that Russians did.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 21, 2018 • 7:22:04am

re: #210 Big Beautiful Door

“Easy man to track. He leaves dead men wherever he goes.” Love that movie.

An interesting gun of the same style was the one that Eastwood used in “Pale Rider”. Instead of reloading individual cartridges the revolver reloaded by switching in new pre-loaded cylinders.

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Bass Reeves  May 21, 2018 • 7:23:26am

re: #252 Sir John Barron

Can’t infiltrate where you’re invited.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 7:28:43am

re: #251 Sir John Barron

“surveilled”

it’s a real world, like to liaise

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 7:29:48am

re: #254 Bass Reeves

Can’t infiltrate where you’re invited.

this is a world in which law enforcement agents enforcing a court-issued warrant are compared to gestapo

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 7:35:10am

re: #256 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

this is a world in which law enforcement agents enforcing a legal warrant are compared to gestapo

And he was the one that led chants of “Lock Her Up!” Karma, it’s pretty great.

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lawhawk  May 21, 2018 • 7:36:34am
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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 7:42:46am
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Eventual Carrion  May 21, 2018 • 7:47:33am

re: #214 Belafon

“China has illegal aliens, too. They must stop that.”

BUILD A WALL!!!!

Oh, you already have one. How did it work out for you?

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ipsos  May 21, 2018 • 7:48:19am

re: #251 Sir John Barron

“surveilled”

It’s a perfectly cromulent word.

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Chrysicat  May 21, 2018 • 7:49:02am

Trump’s at Haspel’s swearing-in, which shows he trusts the CIA in a way he doesn’t do for the FBI.

How long before we learn he’s authorised them to monitor American citizens on American soil, because he doesn’t trust the Bureau?

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 7:49:50am

re: #262 Chrysicat

Trump’s at Haspel’s swearing-in, which shows he trusts the CIA in a way he doesn’t do for the FBI.

How long before we learn he’s authorised them to monitor American citizens on American soil, because he doesn’t trust the Bureau?

I totally expect we’ll hear that he’s used the CIA against his critics and then have his suck ups justify it.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 7:52:00am

re: #262 Chrysicat

Trump’s at Haspel’s swearing-in, which shows he trusts the CIA in a way he doesn’t do for the FBI.

How long before we learn he’s authorised them to monitor American citizens on American soil, because he doesn’t trust the Bureau?

Wait until he find out that Mueller has the transcripts of the CIA’s monitoring of his and his kid’s conversations with Russia.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 8:04:10am

re: #262 Chrysicat

Trump’s at Haspel’s swearing-in, which shows he trusts the CIA in a way he doesn’t do for the FBI.

How long before we learn he’s authorised them to monitor American citizens on American soil, because he doesn’t trust the Bureau?

Is he telling the CIA not to spy on Russia? Is he bragging about his electoral college margin?

Neither would surprise me.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:06:18am

There are some interesting primaries tomorrow. In my district the Democrats have two good candidates, Jim Gray and Amy McGrath, battling to take on Andy Barr. I have decided to vote for McGrath, though I’ll definitely support Gray if he wins, because I’ve decided as a matter of principle that I’m going to vote for women whenever I can unless they are clearly unqualified or Republican. Its time to get a lot more women into government.

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lawhawk  May 21, 2018 • 8:06:37am
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Hecuba's daughter  May 21, 2018 • 8:07:55am

re: #217 Big Beautiful Door

We have billions of years to solve that problem, if we last that long.

Several years ago I read that Earth will be uninhabitable only a billion years in the future. If that’s true, we don’t have that much time //

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:08:12am

re: #267 lawhawk

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The Roberts Court can always be counted on to put corporations ahead of people.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 8:09:58am

re: #259 Belafon

Teens voting against guns is bullying and terrorism.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:10:10am

re: #268 Hecuba’s daughter

Several years ago I read that Earth will be uninhabitable only a billion years in the future. If that’s true, we don’t have that much time //

true, but if we still exist by then I expect we will have colonized Mars and beyond. The tricky part is getting out of the Solar System before the Sun can no longer support life anywhere.

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Bass Reeves  May 21, 2018 • 8:10:15am

re: #262 Chrysicat

I would hesitate to go so far to think Trump trusts the CIA, but he probably approved of Haspel’s nomination hearings.

And if Trump authorized the CIA to do domestic intelligence gathering not related to foreign entities, I imagine we’d hear about it before the echo of his pen across the paper fades. The CIA is a pretty….elitist…organization, and their real beef with the FBI stems from what they think is the FBI encroaching on CIA territory, not from wanting to expand to the domestic front.

edit: Also, rewriting that EO would mean the entire IC would see it, and that would definitely be a complete tantrum felt throughout the federal govt.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:12:51am

re: #272 Bass Reeves

I would hesitate to go so far to think Trump trusts the CIA, but he probably approved of Haspel’s nomination hearings.

And if Trump authorized the CIA to do domestic intelligence gathering not related to foreign entities, I imagine we’d hear about it before the echo of his pen across the paper fades. The CIA is a pretty….elitist…organization, and their real beef with the FBI stems from what they think is the FBI encroaching on CIA territory, not from wanting to expand to the domestic front.

The Looming Tower painted the CIA in a very bad light in regards to what was painted as a deliberate choice not to notify the FBI of known Al-Qaeda operatives, who participated in the 9/11 attacks, entering the country

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:12:53am

re: #267 lawhawk

An awful 5-4 decision in Epic Systems, written by Gorsuch, lets employers force their workers to sign agreements that shunt them into one-on-one arbitration, wiping out their ability to sue in federal court collectively. A massive blow to class actions.

How are we to have a “level playing field” when individuals with limited incomes and assets are expected to negotiate or arbitrate with multi- million (billion) dollar international corporations?

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:13:41am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How are we to have a “level playing field” when individuals with limited incomes and assets are expected to negotiate or arbitrate with multi- million (billion) dollar international corporations?

The poor have the same right to sleep under bridges as the rich.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 21, 2018 • 8:14:18am

re: #243 Belafon

It is so frustrating that at least 40% of the public actually believes Trump and that the entire Republican delegation in the House and almost all in the Senate support his treasonous activities. Did Trump really write those tweets? Or is it his staff who translated his single syllable rants into something more coherent?

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ObserverArt  May 21, 2018 • 8:14:38am

re: #177 freetoken

115 years ago…

HG Wells had already written a story about men going to the moon, using an idea of anti-gravity which is not real and not how we really get off the surface of the planet.

Jules Verne’s story of going to the moon was already 40 years old, and it used a method which is the same basic physics we use today, though we use combustibles in a backward facing “cannon” versus a shooting cannon into the sky.

Folks, most sci-fi stories are no closer to reality than creationists with Genesis.

Look at your own comment. 115 years to make a major leap in technology. And when those sic-fi stories first came out about space travel there was probably someone saying it is a story and it never will be done.

115 years from now, though you won’t be around, you might be eating your words of today.

When it comes to science I never say never.

I think they will discover something about space that will allow a new propulsion system based on positive and negative energy fields and using them to push through space similar to how magnets push away from each other.

I admit, I am a dreamer and I try to never limit my thought as to what can and cannot be done.

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Bass Reeves  May 21, 2018 • 8:14:42am

re: #273 Big Beautiful Door

Yes…that lines up with what I said. AQ = foreign entity, CIA felt it was their game and only their game.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:15:43am

re: #275 Big Beautiful Door

The poor have the same right to sleep under bridges as the rich.

again, when a group of investors pool their assets to optimize their bargaining power, that is a corporation and is the very heart and soul of our system.

but when workers or consumers seek to pool their bargaining power to their benefit, the courts step in against them

this is a basic imbalance in our system that has to be redressed before the system collapses

which nothing I am too optimistic about

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 8:16:57am

re: #268 Hecuba’s daughter

From Nasa:

Since 1967, some astronomers have intensively studied the evolution of stars similar in mass and age to our Sun. For example, Prof. Iko Iben at MIT published a ground breaking paper in 1967 ( The Astrophysical Journal, vol. 147, page 624) in which he calculated the changes in temperature, size and luminosity of stars with masses similar to our Sun. What he found out is that at the present time, 4.5 billion years after its birth, the Sun will change its luminosity by a factor of two in the next 5 billion years. In the next billion years, the amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth will increase by 8 percent.

This 8 percent increase doesn’t sound like much, but if you look at a recent 1994 report by the National Academy of Science “Solar Influence on Global Climate”, you will discover that a 0.1 percent increase in solar radiation causes a ‘climate forcing of 0.24 watts per square meter, which leads to an increase in the mean global temperature of 0.2 degrees centigrade. From this, we can estimate that our 8 percent increase in solar radiation will cause a 16 degree increase in the mean solar temperature over the next billion years. Or 5 degrees in the next 300 million years.

If a billion years seems too long, just realize that our atmosphere will probably respond to this increase by becoming cloudier as its water vapor content climbs, and will also become richer in carbon dioxide as plant growth is stimulated, and the various terrestrial reservoirs ( oceans) begin to give-up some of their dissolved carbon dioxide. The increased greenhouse heating could make the global temperature increase somewhat higher that the simple 16 degree centigrade change due to the Sun alone.

Lets say that the mean winter temperature, now, is about 20 degrees Centigrade. A 5 degree increase in 300 million years means we are now talking about a 25 degree average winter temperature, and very few places where we can expect to see snow and ice. The average summer temperatures would be closer to 30 degrees Centigrade. If we add enhanced greenhouse heating, these estimates might easily be much higher, with the average global temperature in 300 million years looking more like 35 - 40 degrees Centigrade.

The bottom line is that in less time than it has taken higher life forms to evolve into land creatures, the Earth’s biosphere may be changed by the inevitable course of the evolution of our Sun. In 300 million years or less, it may become very inhospitable for life to continue to exist on the land, and if we leave it alone, evolution may encourage life to return to the sea where the climate will be a bit more moderate.

As for humans, we may adapt to living on the land, or we may decide to leave the planet. Estimates suggest that it only takes about 5 - 10 million years to colonize the ENTIRE Milky Way galaxy, so I think we will have plenty of opportunity to survive as a species, even though Earth has become a second cousin to what Venus now looks like.

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jaunte  May 21, 2018 • 8:17:07am
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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 8:18:10am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How are we to have a “level playing field” when individuals with limited incomes and assets are expected to negotiate or arbitrate with multi- million (billion) dollar international corporations?

This will have to be one of many things Democrats have to fix.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:18:33am

re: #281 jaunte

Every single day of the Trump presidency is like watching someone smear shit all over the Oval Office. It’s not just awful and evil, it’s disgusting.

every single day of the trump administration will take at least a week to clean up

we are already talking decades…

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jaunte  May 21, 2018 • 8:21:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 21, 2018 • 8:23:34am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How are we to have a “level playing field” when individuals with limited incomes and assets are expected to negotiate or arbitrate with multi- million (billion) dollar international corporations?

We’re not. The whole idea is to keep the system tilted in favor of the rich and powerful for as long as possible.

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Lupin  May 21, 2018 • 8:25:12am

I don’t know what Pompeo must have said today, but I hear (French sources) it’s remarkably stupid. Normally they have (had?) a better opinion of him. Trump effect?.

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John Hughes  May 21, 2018 • 8:25:22am

Uh, I knew Roland Moreno, and he didn’t look like that. A very smart guy.

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jaunte  May 21, 2018 • 8:26:51am

re: #286 Lupin

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 8:27:39am

re: #288 jaunte

Well, I’m glad someone in the administration is talking straight about Russia and promising action. Oh wait….

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 8:27:55am

re: #288 jaunte

Someone high up in Iran needs to ask why they can’t have the same deal Trump is offering NK.

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ObserverArt  May 21, 2018 • 8:30:07am

re: #202 Sir John Barron

It’s interesting that racist grandpa leaves out the possibility that the FBI might have investigated his campaign’s Russian operatives.

Isn’t it odd how the FBI already knew some of the questionable characters Trump was surrounding himself with needed to be watched.

Stone, Page and Manafort were already known. I think having them around just made everyone in the DOJ want to watch where this was going.

And then there was Trump himself. I’m sure many were already fearing what kind of tricks he would pull based on his already messed up reputation.

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Lupin  May 21, 2018 • 8:30:13am

re: #288 jaunte

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I see now. Yes, quite inane saber-rattling from an old dog who lost half its fangs. The old cliché paper tiger has never been truer. Not smart.

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Jay C  May 21, 2018 • 8:30:58am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How are we to have a “level playing field” when individuals with limited incomes and assets are expected to negotiate or arbitrate with multi- million (billion) dollar international corporations?

Worse than that: those “one-on-one arbitration” processes are typically conducted by “arbitrators” chosen by, and paid by, those selfsame corporations - studies have shown that private arbitrators side with individual complainants some disgracefully low percentage of the time: said to be an (unsurprising) artifact of a system that rewards “arbitrators” with business based on their favorable awards to the better-heeled (i.e. businesses).

re: #282 Belafon

This will have to be one of many things Democrats have to fix.

Any fix won’t be easy: unless I’m mistaken (always a possibility) this decision has now enshrined the practice of unappealable “binding arbitration” into Constitutional law. And of course, “decision written by Gorsuch”;
thanks, “both parties are the same” assholes…

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jaunte  May 21, 2018 • 8:31:17am

re: #292 Lupin

Big talk, now that we’ve walked away from everyone else in the deal.

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Lupin  May 21, 2018 • 8:31:25am

re: #290 Belafon

They don’t need it. Trump is seriously overestimating his leverage.

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Lupin  May 21, 2018 • 8:32:22am

re: #294 jaunte

Big talk, now that we’ve walked away from everyone else in the deal.

Indeed. Like the Chinese are going to care. The Iranians aren’t that fond of the Russians, but they do love their Chinese. :-)

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:32:23am

My grandfather was an arbitrator. Can’t imagine him liking this decision.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:32:35am

re: #288 jaunte

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They won’t be, because the previous sanction regime had international backing. In contrast, the EU is discussing how to undermine US sanctions in Iran, so European countries can continue to do business there.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 8:32:52am

re: #293 Jay C

Worse than that: those “one-on-one arbitration” processes are typically conducted by “arbitrators” chosen by, and paid by, those selfsame corporations - studies have shown that private arbitrators side with individual complainants some disgracefully low percentage of the time: said to be an (unsurprising) artifact of a system that rewards “arbitrators” with business based on their favorable awards to the better-heeled (i.e. businesses).

Any fix won’t be easy: unless I’m mistaken (always a possibility) this decision has now enshrined the practice of unappealable “binding arbitration” into Constitutional law. And of course, “decision written by Gorsuch”;
thanks, “both parties are the same” assholes…

IANAL, but, this, not being one of those things enshrined in the constitution, can be changed by law. Now, of course, someone could challenge it, but having an actual law would lend more weight than our current stance.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:34:14am

re: #282 Belafon

This will have to be one of many things Democrats Democracy has to fix.

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Lupin  May 21, 2018 • 8:34:22am

I’m told #1 topic at the last EU summit was, what to do about the US? Groveling to appease the clown or a show of teeth. Not a friendly word around. Inconceivable 3 years ago..

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John Hughes  May 21, 2018 • 8:34:26am

re: #37 KGxvi

At the time it was written:

The US did not have a standing army, so the need to have able bodied men ready to […]

.. suppress slave revolts.

Much the same justification is still used today by many 2nd amendment fetishists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:35:12am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re not. The whole idea is to keep the system tilted in favor of the rich and powerful for as long as possible.

‘twas a rhetorical question, we praise “individualism” while blithely overlooking the fact that a corporation is a collective

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:36:00am

re: #293 Jay C

Worse than that: those “one-on-one arbitration” processes are typically conducted by “arbitrators” chosen by, and paid by, those selfsame corporations - studies have shown that private arbitrators side with individual complainants some disgracefully low percentage of the time: said to be an (unsurprising) artifact of a system that rewards “arbitrators” with business based on their favorable awards to the better-heeled (i.e. businesses).

Any fix won’t be easy: unless I’m mistaken (always a possibility) this decision has now enshrined the practice of unappealable “binding arbitration” into Constitutional law. And of course, “decision written by Gorsuch”;
thanks, “both parties are the same” assholes…

My guess is that its an interpretation of federal law rather than a constitutional issue. So a future Congress could change the law to make arbitration clauses unenforceable.

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lawhawk  May 21, 2018 • 8:38:28am

re: #295 Lupin

They don’t need it. Trump is seriously overestimating his leverage.

Trump gave up America’s leverage. North Korea is the one calling shots now thanks to Trump. Even if the summit doesn’t occur, North Korea has not only created a schism between the US, South Korea, and Japan, but has set groundwork for holding talks without North Korea first dismantling its nuclear program.

Trump gave North Korea all it could have hoped for with that - and the North hasn’t had to do anything else. The North can now make demands and Trump will cave because he wants talks to go forward more than anyone else (Nobel prize or bust). Everyone plays Trump to Trump’s vanity and ego because everyone knows how to get things done.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:38:33am

washingtonpost.com

Not that far from me. But please Ben Shapiro, Milo, and friends tell me more how the left are the snowflakes and this whiny little brat of a man who took out his anger that the Scouts allow LGBT people in out on a child isn’t.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 21, 2018 • 8:39:13am

re: #293 Jay C

Worse than that: those “one-on-one arbitration” processes are typically conducted by “arbitrators” chosen by, and paid by, those selfsame corporations - studies have shown that private arbitrators side with individual complainants some disgracefully low percentage of the time: said to be an (unsurprising) artifact of a system that rewards “arbitrators” with business based on their favorable awards to the better-heeled (i.e. businesses).

Any fix won’t be easy: unless I’m mistaken (always a possibility) this decision has now enshrined the practice of unappealable “binding arbitration” into Constitutional law. And of course, “decision written by Gorsuch”;
thanks, “both parties are the same” assholes…

Correct. Arbitrators need repeat business just like any other company. Where do you think that comes from? Your average Joe Schmoe may arbitrate once or twice in his life. The corporations on the other hand arbitrate constantly. There was a study awhile back, I believe from California, that found arbitrators rule in favor of corporations in something like 99.6% of cases, FAR higher than the rate for traditional court decisions.

If an arbitrator rules against a company too much they are effectively biting the hand that feeds them.

Basically we get screwed so they can stay in business.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 21, 2018 • 8:40:05am

re: #307 Big Beautiful Door

What the fucking fuck?? ICE is out of control!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 8:40:43am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:41:21am

re: #307 Big Beautiful Door

An ICE agent detained two US citizens for more than half an hour because he overheard them speaking Spanish.

For fuck sake. That really makes me worry about my SiL and her family because sometimes they will speak Spanish.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:41:56am

re: #307 Big Beautiful Door

An ICE agent detained two US citizens for more than half an hour because he overheard them speaking Spanish.

Havre, Montana, is not far from the border with Canada, and border control agents have authority within 100 miles of a U.S. border. They cannot stop someone without suspicion of an immigration violation, and they cannot search someone without probable cause.

Don’t doubt that the courts will rule that speaking Spanish in America constitutes “probable cause”…

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:41:58am

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

What the fucking fuck?? ICE is out of control!

It really scares me on a personal level for the reasons I stated above.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2018 • 8:42:14am

re: #305 lawhawk

Trump gave up America’s leverage. North Korea is the one calling shots now thanks to Trump. Even if the summit doesn’t occur, North Korea has not only created a schism between the US, South Korea, and Japan, but has set groundwork for holding talks without North Korea first dismantling its nuclear program.

Trump gave North Korea all it could have hoped for with that - and the North hasn’t had to do anything else. The North can now make demands and Trump will cave because he wants talks to go forward more than anyone else (Nobel prize or bust). Everyone plays Trump to Trump’s vanity and ego because everyone knows how to get things done.

Useful thread on Korea and Trump. Same guy as in the best interrupted news video of all time.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:42:33am

re: #309 Eclectic Cyborg

What the fucking fuck?? ICE is out of control!

The bilingual daughter of one of the women asked her mommy if she couldn’t speak Spanish in public anymore. This is fascism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 8:43:21am

re: #207 Chrysicat

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Blankenship will have some difficulty with that plan:

A 2018 guide for candidates from the West Virginia Secretary of State’s Office says West Virginia has a “sore loser” — or “sour grapes” — law prohibiting candidates from losing in a primary election and running independently for the same seat in a general.

After reviewing state code, some experts raised their eyebrows at the notion.

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Mike Queen, communications director for Secretary of State Mac Warner, said there is no specific language currently in West Virginia code that spells out a sour grapes law. However, he said his office would look to the “intent” of the lawmakers.

“The Secretary’s position is that Mr. Blankenship is not permitted to run again in the general election for the United States Senate,” he said. “If Mr. Blankenship pursues the matter, he will most likely have to bring a legal action to force the Secretary to approve his candidacy and to place his name on the general election ballot. At that time, the court would have to rely on legislative intent, among other legal issues and perhaps previous decisions, to determine if Mr. Blankenship is entitled to run again.”

wvgazettemail.com

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gwangung  May 21, 2018 • 8:43:37am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Havre, Montana, is not far from the border with Canada, and border control agents have authority within 100 miles of a U.S. border. They cannot stop someone without suspicion of an immigration violation, and they cannot search someone without probable cause.

Don’t doubt that the courts will rule that speaking Spanish in America constitutes “probable cause”…

And we all remember ICE blatantly lying in court and fabricating evidence about a Dreamer’s “gang” affiliation…..

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 8:43:52am

re: #307 Big Beautiful Door

An ICE agent detained two US citizens for more than half an hour because he overheard them speaking Spanish.

That’s one of my goals now for learning Spanish, to get assholes like this to come after me.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:44:05am

re: #315 Big Beautiful Door

The bilingual daughter of one of the women asked her mommy if she couldn’t speak Spanish in public anymore. This is fascism.

My niece is a little younger than that little girl. I really want her to know that she should feel free to speak any language she wants.

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Jay C  May 21, 2018 • 8:44:33am

re: #299 Belafon

re: #304 Big Beautiful Door

OK: my bad - I probably shouldn’t have tossed the term “Constitutional”
into my # 293. [Inserts IANALEither excuse HERE] But I think my basic point is valid: this decision appears to shut off a legal avenue for class-action lawsuits - in favor of an “arbitration” process, that AFAICT is a biased and corruption-prone system without much in the way of appeal.
And I still don’t think fixing it will be that easy.

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jaunte  May 21, 2018 • 8:46:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:47:19am

re: #315 Big Beautiful Door

The bilingual daughter of one of the women asked her mommy if she couldn’t speak Spanish in public anymore. This is fascism.

I would point out that if we all had national ID cards that indicated citizenship or legal resident status, this problem would not have to arise, but i do not expect to find many takers on this one…

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:48:21am

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

Time for Naming And Shaming.

He did say his name was O’Neill which is Blackfoot for mustachioed prick who can’t understand that this is a free fucking country and it’s not against the law to speak Spanish.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:49:08am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would point out that if we all had national ID cards that indicated citizenship or legal resident status, this problem would not have to arise, but i do not expect to find many takers on this one…

I think you’re being generous. These women were citizens. This prick just wanted an excuse to bother someone who was speaking Spanish.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:50:17am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

I think you’re being generous. These women were citizens. This prick just wanted an excuse to bother someone who was speaking Spanish.

that is the point, if they had been able to demonstrate that on the spot and the prick officer would have had no grounds and could be taken to task for illegal arrest and detention

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:50:47am

re: #320 Jay C

OK: my bad - I probably shouldn’t have tossed the term “Constitutional”
into my # 293. [Inserts IANALEither excuse HERE] But I think my basic point is valid: this decision appears to shut off a legal avenue for class-action lawsuits - in favor of an “arbitration” process, that AFAICT is a biased and corruption-prone system without much in the way of appeal.
And I still don’t think fixing it will be that easy.

That is true; the corporate lobbyists will fight tooth and nail to protect their arbitration clauses.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 8:50:48am

re: #302 John Hughes

.. suppress slave revolts.

Much the same justification is still used today by many 2nd amendment fetishists.

Slave revolts were also in the calculus, but New World colonies declaring (and fighting for) independence were a major shock to the global order at the time. The next 40-50 years of history were defined by wars not only between the three major empire (British, French, Spanish) but also between the empires and their colonies.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:51:17am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is the point, if they had been able to demonstrate that, the prick would have had no grounds and could be taken to task for illegal arrest and detention

I dunno man. I just don’t know. I hear ya but at the same time, I think he would have continued to hassle them.

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Bass Reeves  May 21, 2018 • 8:51:26am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Asking to determine one’s citizenship status based on language spoken is already harassment. It also would not stop someone being detained while they ‘check for warrants’ once they have determined immigration status. It would further, based on this administration, open the records of immigrants with these cards to basic stalking by ICE.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 8:52:24am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I dunno man. I just don’t know. I hear ya but at the same time, I think he would have continued to hassle them.

but not without consequences, as it was, he knew he could get away with it either way

and that sort of random power really rankles. lack of checks and balances to authority

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:53:58am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but not without consequences, as it was, he knew he could get away with it either way

and that sort of random power really rankles. lack of checks and balances to authority

True and I think that starts at the top with Trump.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:54:30am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I dunno man. I just don’t know. I hear ya but at the same time, I think he would have continued to hassle them.

He would’ve detained them anyway while checking to make sure their IDs weren’t forgeries.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:55:16am

re: #333 Big Beautiful Door

He would’ve detained them anyway while checking to make sure their IDs weren’t forgeries.

Yep, that’s what I was getting at.

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MsJ  May 21, 2018 • 8:55:37am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Havre, Montana, is not far from the border with Canada, and border control agents have authority within 100 miles of a U.S. border. They cannot stop someone without suspicion of an immigration violation, and they cannot search someone without probable cause.

Don’t doubt that the courts will rule that speaking Spanish in America constitutes “probable cause”…

I am very interested in what the ACLU will do. These two gals reached out to the ACLU and I hope they sue the pant off of everyone involved.

ICE needs to be disbanded and CBP needs retraining. And both need psychological testing, along with all law enforcement, because this is bullshit up and down.

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jaunte  May 21, 2018 • 8:55:45am
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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 8:55:51am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

True and I think that starts at the top with Trump.

Exactly, Trump has given ICE the green light to be as aggressive as they like in profiling.

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jaunte  May 21, 2018 • 8:56:43am

The Nixon Tapes won’t hold a candle to the Trump Tapes.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 8:57:58am

re: #337 Big Beautiful Door

Exactly, Trump has given ICE the green light to be as aggressive as they like in profiling.

Yep. And that’s something that those that just to MBF and criticize Obama’s record as being just as bad don’t get. I mean don’t get me wrong. I think Obama could have done more on immigration but at the same time, he wasn’t encouraging officers to go after people simply for speaking another languager and the Obama administration’s unlike this one was on violent criminals rather than soft targets.

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ObserverArt  May 21, 2018 • 9:00:43am

re: #338 jaunte

The Nixon Tapes won’t hold a candle to the Trump Tapes.

I think we have far surpassed Nixon’s issues by a factor of 10 or so.

And it appears there is more to discover.

Nixon would be embarrassed for Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:01:27am

jeebus…

fucking moron…

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Lupin  May 21, 2018 • 9:03:03am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…

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fucking moron…

Truer words have never been spoken.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:03:06am
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Big Beautiful Door  May 21, 2018 • 9:03:36am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…

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fucking moron…

The stock market is jumping today, recovering some of the losses Trump caused with his trade war, now that a truce has apparently been declared.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:04:01am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:04:14am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well I can see someone’s from Pittsburgh. Primanti size and style :).

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 9:04:48am

re: #304 Big Beautiful Door

My guess is that its an interpretation of federal law rather than a constitutional issue. So a future Congress could change the law to make arbitration clauses unenforceable.

Arbitration laws need to be rewritten, do away with binding and mandatory arbitration. That’s easy enough to do, assuming you have the right Congress and the right president.

Arbitration, in theory, isn’t a bad thing. (As a lawyer, I’m much more a fan of mediation because a negotiated settlement is always better than the potential all or nothing results of arbitration.) It is less costly ant time consuming than traditional litigation, and can quickly resolve cases. Arbitrators are often retired judges or very seasoned attorneys, so they should be getting the law right.

That said, it’s also bullshit that arbitration agreements that are clearly adhesion contracts (form contracts that don’t allow for negotiation) are readily enforceable. Employers (and let’s be clear, this is going to expand beyond employment cases) obviously have an unequal bargaining power compared to employees.

Arbitration, and mediation, for that matter should always be optional, not mandatory.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:05:06am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ah yes NRO. This is the pressing problem of the age. Not Trump’s abuse of power but that Americans love their pets too much. No wonder why you have miserable people like Kevin Williamson on your staff if you hate pets.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 9:05:14am

re: #344 Big Beautiful Door

The stock market is jumping today, recovering some of the losses Trump caused with his trade war, now that a truce has apparently been declared.

he will take credit for the recovery

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 9:06:15am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:06:46am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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May they bankrupt themselves and may Alex Jones find himself on the streets in no time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:07:15am
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Varek Raith  May 21, 2018 • 9:07:44am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:08:40am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tomi, if you think it’s smart to lectuer gun violence victims on gun violence, you’ve never been a victim of gun violence, you spoiled litlte brat whose sole purpose is being a pretty Rush Limbaugh talking point spouter without any original thoughts.

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 9:09:20am

The Civilbeat video is live again:

Live Video: Kilauea Lava Flow Activity In Lower Puna Hawaii

However they just cut the audio, I think because the owner was talking to his friend about how much he paid for the property. Apparently it’s a recent purchase, 32 acres, got a good deal because the previous owners were in foreclosure, etc.

All very interesting, but I gather it’s not really what one would want to broadcast to the world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:09:27am
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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:10:08am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess since DrumpF doesn’t have a pet in the WH, NRO drew the straw to post a column about how pets are making Amerika wussy.

/

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 9:10:51am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:10:58am

re: #357 Sir John Barron

I guess since DrumpF doesn’t have a pet in the WH, NRO drew the straw to post a column about how pets are making Amerika wussy.

/

He’s the first and only President since Polk not to have any pets. Even a miserable sob like Nixon had pets.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:11:08am

re: #357 Sir John Barron

I guess since DrumpF doesn’t have a pet in the WH, NRO drew the straw to post a column about how pets are making Amerika wussy.

/

he has pets.

They are collectively called “The Cabinet”

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:11:20am

re: #358 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Good. Governor TCOT needs to be shamed into stopping promoting gun hoarding.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:11:33am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

he has pets.

They are collectively called “The Cabinet”

I believe they’re called Ivanka and Jared.

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freetoken  May 21, 2018 • 9:12:02am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s so important that both houses of Congress are flipped in this next election.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 9:13:03am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

He’s the first and only President since Polk not to have any pets. Even a miserable sob like Nixon had pets.

It was a little cocker spaniel dog in a crate that he’d sent all the way from Texas. Black and white spotted. And our little girl—Tricia, the 6-year-old—named it Checkers. And you know, the kids, like all kids, love the dog and I just want to say this right now, that regardless of what they say about it, we’re gonna keep it

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:13:17am

re: #358 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Next Erick son of Erik column: Gov Abbott was bullied into dropping his mighty fine gun giveaway.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 9:13:33am

re: #363 freetoken

It’s so important that both houses of Congress are flipped in this next election.

It’ll be 2020 before we can fix that unless Pelosi becomes president. But we can slow things down before then.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:14:13am

re: #364 KGxvi

Kind reminder that Trump uses “dog” as an insult at people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:16:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2018 • 9:17:07am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tomi Lahren

@TomiLahren
If you think it’s wise to lecture Texans on gun laws, I’m guessing you haven’t spent much time in Texas.

bree 💚💛
@breebxtler
hey tonya, 10 of my classmates died yesterday and 10 others were injured. i would LOVE to lecture any texan on gun laws.

Gun nuts fail to grasp that they have lost control of the discussion on gun laws, even in Texas…

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:17:37am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Calling them animals is a cop out. Holding them accountable as fellow human beings is what we should do but that’s too much work for the children at the Trump WH.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:18:17am

Men bully people. Men made that little girl in Montana feel she can’t speak Spanish anymore. An animal especially a dog would be warm and kind to her regardless of what language she spoke.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:18:24am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see, White Supremacists have some very fine folks among them but all MS-13 members are ‘animals’.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:19:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:19:52am
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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 9:20:39am

One more thought on the arbitration ruling today… I’m not really shocked by it. Jurisprudence has been trending this way for a while. There have been lower court rulings holding that even determining whether the arbitration agreement was binding was within the arbitrator’s purview. Alternative Dispute Resolution (meaning mostly arbitration and mediation) has been highly favored by the Court’s because without them, the court’s dockets can get overrun and jammed.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:20:49am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Calling them animals is a cop out. Holding them accountable as fellow human beings is what we should do but that’s too much work for the children at the Trump WH.

Yes, I’m not sure what calling them ‘animals’ does to help the situation. Particularly, from this WH. I mean, how does the WH using this language contribute to any meaningful improvement?

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:21:05am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh I forgot Sarah. How did your party treat the first woman nominee for President? Gina would be a problem if she was a man and anmed Gene Haspel and you fucking know it, you lying piece of crap.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:21:40am

re: #376 Sir John Barron

Yes, I’m not sure what calling them ‘animals’ does to help the situation. Particularly, from this WH. I mean, how does the WH using this language contribute to any meaningful improvement?

It’s just stupid red meat to their base who are conviced they’re not “like” those MS-13 guys even though they think they should be able to shoot someone who knocks at their door.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:22:36am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

It’s just stupid red meat to their base who are conviced they’re not “like” those MS-13 guys even though they think they should be able to shoot someone who knocks at their door.

Maybe it preps the political soil for any anti-immigrant action, since those immigrants can be labeled as MS-13 members or gang sympathizers and collaborators.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 9:22:43am

re: #376 Sir John Barron

Yes, I’m not sure what calling them ‘animals’ does to help the situation. Particularly, from this WH. I mean, how does the WH using this language contribute to any meaningful improvement?

I think the appropriate term is stochastic terrorism. The idea is to get minorities scared by getting racists to openly threaten and harm anyone they feel shouldn’t be here.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:24:26am

re: #379 Sir John Barron

Maybe it preps the political soil for any anti-immigrant action, since those immigrants can be labeled as MS-13 members or gang sympathizers and collaborators.

That’s something I’m genuinely afraid of as I know quite a few El Salvadoran immigrants.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 9:24:59am

re: #376 Sir John Barron

Yes, I’m not sure what calling them ‘animals’ does to help the situation. Particularly, from this WH. I mean, how does the WH using this language contribute to any meaningful improvement?

“Help” and “improvement” depends on your point of view, I suppose. If you’re determined to deport every illegal immigrant and then restrict legal immigration to absurd levels, making immigrants sub-human definitely has it’s advantages.

Of course, it’s vile to do so. And the policy is even worse for the nation in the long term (less immigration means slower population growth, and with baby boomers getting up there in age, we could see our population start to shrink - both of those mean our economy shrinks)

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lawhawk  May 21, 2018 • 9:25:03am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2018 • 9:25:57am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stoopid article about pets being better than people.

Damn, that was a really pathetic analysis.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 21, 2018 • 9:26:00am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

That Press Release may be one of the scariest things I’ve ever seen from the government of this country.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:26:04am

re: #383 lawhawk

Exactly.

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Varek Raith  May 21, 2018 • 9:27:09am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fucking hell.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:27:10am

re: #384 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Damn, that was a really pathetic analysis.

Maybe if Lowry and his friends at NRO had gotten pets instead of being told to worship Reagan, they’d be more laid back people.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:28:12am

re: #383 lawhawk

It’s the GOP/Trump abandoning human rights and rule of law one quote at a time.

and one undesirable “other” group at a time.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 9:28:36am

For a very long time, I’ve had this idea percolating in the back of my head about a political novel. Originally, the idea was to tell the story of a brokered convention from the point of view of staffers and various players - think ASOIAF but in the modern US. But now I’m thinking a story like that for a constitutional convention might be better.

Would anyone be interested in something like that?

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:29:01am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are Americans Too Attached to Their Pets? nationalreview.com via @ClayRoutledge pic.twitter.com

— National Review

“Hey, we’re just asking questions….”

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:29:45am

re: #390 KGxvi

For a very long time, I’ve had this idea percolating in the back of my head about a political novel. Originally, the idea was to tell the story of a brokered convention from the point of view of staffers and various players - think ASOIAF but in the modern US. But now I’m thinking a story like that for a constitutional convention might be better.

Would anyone be interested in something like that?

Could be interesting. Let me know how it goes.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 9:30:56am

re: #384 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Damn, that was a really pathetic analysis.

Maybe they’re trying out memes for when drUmpf orders us all to pledge our loyalty to him by throwing our cats and dogs into the meatgrinder.

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2018 • 9:31:30am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are Americans Too Attached to Their Pets?

That’s why I trim their claws. So I don’t get too attached.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 9:32:41am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Could be interesting. Let me know how it goes.

I’ve just been thinking about it some more because I saw something about ALEC supposedly trying to get states to call for a convention (which would be an utter disaster on multiple fronts).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 9:32:43am

Yeah, some people are going to complain

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 9:35:27am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, some people are going to complain

Somehow, I doubt the Pope cares.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:36:19am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, some people are going to complain

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It’s major progress. I still have problems with the RCC but Francis has got them in the right direction. Meanwhile the Evangelicals get worse.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:36:57am

re: #397 Belafon

Somehow, I doubt the Pope cares.

Oh Franklin Graham said I don’t understand the Bible? That cabron.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:39:27am

Yeah, let’s elect a guy to run government like a business, because the Democratic candidate is a politician!!!

good grief.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 21, 2018 • 9:39:39am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 21, 2018 • 9:40:15am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Primanti’s…sigh…

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 9:41:30am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Ah yes NRO. This is the pressing problem of the age. Not Trump’s abuse of power but that Americans love their pets too much. No wonder why you have miserable people like Kevin Williamson on your staff if you hate pets.

It makes sense if you look at this hot take as another round of “…why do people care about other living things?”

…thus being continuous with their takes on brown people, weirdos, and white people that disappoint Kevin Williamson.

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2018 • 9:42:34am

re: #401 Shropshire Slasher

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Bible quotation?

Old adage?

The Pope’s words?

Or is that just you?

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:42:35am

re: #403 The Ghost of a Flea

It makes sense if you look at this hot take as another round of “…why do people care about other living things?”

…thus being continuous with their takes on brown people, weirdos, and white people that disappoint Kevin Williamson.

So true.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 21, 2018 • 9:44:36am

re: #404 wrenchwench

See how google completes it for you.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 9:45:28am

You know that teacher that was killed at the Santa Fe, Tx shooting:

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Varek Raith  May 21, 2018 • 9:46:03am

e_e

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2018 • 9:46:12am

re: #406 Shropshire Slasher

See how google completes it for you.

Here’s what I got. Google doesn’t give everyone the same answers

Search Results
Stop Saying You “Love the Sinner; Hate the Sin” - Redeeming God
redeeminggod.com > Redeeming Life

Christians like to say they love the sinner, but hate the sin. This statement is wrong in so many ways. Stop saying it.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 9:46:26am

re: #401 Shropshire Slasher

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Show me the sin, and I’ll replay some of your best comments here.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 9:47:31am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

So true.

Like, not even kidding when I say we’re not dealing with a political movement, but an aesthetic one.

What they find distasteful is immoral, and that standard is exactly as subjective as art appreciation.

Hence what looks from the outside like hypocrisy, but from inside is seem as a consistency in which the differentiation—our things we are gratified by versus that horrible shit others want—comes first.

Thus all the shameless fucking and stealing.

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William Lewis  May 21, 2018 • 9:51:54am

re: #407 Belafon

You know that teacher that was killed at the Santa Fe, Tx shooting:

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This is why I hated “Breaking Bad”…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 9:59:30am

WASHINGTON — Former President Barack Obama formally announced on Monday a multiyear production deal with Netflix in which he and the former first lady, Michelle Obama, will produce television shows and films for the streaming service.

The deal will give Mr. Obama an international television platform during his post-presidency, allowing him to reach millions of people in the United States and internationally. The couple has created “Higher Ground Productions,” a company to produce content for Netflix, the streaming service announced.

The former president has told associates that he does not intend to use the new platform to wage a public campaign against his successor in the Oval Office, or to fight against conservative media outlets like Fox News.

Instead, a release from Netflix said the Obamas will produce “scripted series, unscripted series, docu-series, documentaries and features” that highlight issues and themes the president pursued during his eight years in office.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 9:59:46am

re: #407 Belafon

You know that teacher that was killed at the Santa Fe, Tx shooting:

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Makes me so sad to think about. Poor family but yeah Ted Cruz their mom “sacrificed.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 9:59:51am

Cocaine Mitch probably wants to do another line right about now

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:00:29am

re: #411 The Ghost of a Flea

Like, not even kidding when I say we’re not dealing with a political movement, but an aesthetic one.

What they find distasteful is immoral, and that standard is exactly as subjective as art appreciation.

Hence what looks from the outside like hypocrisy, but from inside is seem as a consistency in which the differentiation—our things we are gratified by versus that horrible shit others want—comes first.

Thus all the shameless fucking and stealing.

You always illustrate them so well.

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2018 • 10:02:42am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

[The former president has told associates that he does not intend to use the new platform to wage a public campaign against his successor in the Oval Office, or to fight against conservative media outlets like Fox News.]

That will bother the successor the most. Ignoring him.

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Skip Intro  May 21, 2018 • 10:04:02am

re: #407 Belafon

You know that teacher that was killed at the Santa Fe, Tx shooting:

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Lots of thoughts and prayers there in the comments. No money though.

I guess the people who give the money don’t feel the need for self serving T&P. I’m kicking in $100.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 10:04:59am

Shocked, shocked I say

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:05:22am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shocked, shocked I say

Wow, who can you trust these days?

///

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2018 • 10:05:50am

re: #415 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Can he do that? I thought there was one of those “sore loser” laws that prevented such a thing in WV.

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Varek Raith  May 21, 2018 • 10:06:09am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shocked, shocked I say

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Strategery.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:06:31am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shocked, shocked I say

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Rudy lie? No way!

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:06:43am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can’t wait for angry grandpa’s tweetstream meltdown about the ‘bias’ of Netflix and how much better Trump TV is than Netflix, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:07:40am

re: #417 wrenchwench

That will bother the successor the most. Ignoring him.

I figure the Obamas will get bigger ratings than the yam ever did.
That would please me a lot.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2018 • 10:08:32am

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

I figure the Obamas will get bigger ratings than the yam ever did.
That would please me a lot.

LOL Trump’s meltdown would be Chernobyl-esque.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:08:57am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shocked, shocked I say

Yet I saw multiple entities state this Sept 1 date in the headline like it was verified gold.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:09:39am

Headlines need to start with “Rudy Guiliani says….”

Then we can all tune out to everything that follows that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:10:57am

re: #415 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Cocaine Mitch probably want to do another line right about now

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re: #421 Dr Lizardo

Can he do that? I thought there was one of those “sore loser” laws that prevented such a thing in WV.

Blankenship is dreaming, see my #316

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 10:11:11am

re: #415 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Cocaine Mitch probably wants to do another line right about now

With his decisions to leap to a third party bid, I want to see how money is moving in and out of his campaign.

Because there’s the possibility he’s really that sure he’s got a chance, or there’s some crazy dollars being reallocated as expenses and salaries.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:11:13am

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

I figure the Obamas will get bigger ratings than the yam ever did.
That would please me a lot.

Maybe Michelle Malkin and Deadbart will pledge to start a new dvd renting/TV show producing company to compete with Netflix since all godfearing true American conservatives will have to boycott that company now.

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Eventual Carrion  May 21, 2018 • 10:12:36am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Higher Ground Productions”, I like the name.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:12:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:13:50am
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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 10:13:56am

re: #418 Skip Intro - 3 rights make a left

Lots of thoughts and prayers there in the comments. No money though.

I guess the people who give the money don’t feel the need for self serving T&P. I’m kicking in $100.

I can’t do it at work. I’ll put some in later. And probably a comment about T&P paying bills.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:14:15am

re: #431 Sir John Barron

Maybe Michelle Malkin and Deadbart will pledge to start a new dvd renting/TV show producing company to compete with Netflix since all godfearing true American conservatives will have to boycott that company now.

Conservativeflix with only shows for conservatives!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 21, 2018 • 10:14:46am
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 10:14:56am

re: #436 HappyWarrior

Freedomflix

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2018 • 10:15:03am

re: #429 Backwoods_Sleuth

Blankenship is dreaming, see my #316

Thanks. I thought I’d read something to that effect.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:15:24am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somebody at The Federalist or NRO will have to pen a lame post about how terribly biased this is or something.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:15:39am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does Stone always cosplay as a Victorian period villain? I mean Roger, it’s not that hard to not look like you’re planning to kidnap and murder the Dutchess unless the Queen gives you the crown jewels.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2018 • 10:16:24am

re: #437 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The only person panicking is Trump.

As usual, so much projection you could see it in the Andromeda Galaxy.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2018 • 10:16:52am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Does Stone always cosplay as a Victorian period villain? I mean Roger, it’s not that hard to not look like you’re planning to kidnap and murder the Dutchess unless the Queen gives you the crown jewels.

Maybe he’s into steampunk?

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 10:17:00am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Dude looks like he a subcontractor under Moriarty.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:19:47am

re: #443 Dr Lizardo

Maybe he’s into steampunk?

Ha maybe. He’s a weird guy. Even weirder than Trump.

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Skip Intro  May 21, 2018 • 10:19:50am

re: #419 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shocked, shocked I say

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Alert the NY Times STAT! They’ve been HAD!

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:20:11am

re: #444 The Ghost of a Flea

Dude looks like he a subcontractor under Moriarty.

Yeah I was thinking Sherlock Holmes bad guy too.

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stpaulbear  May 21, 2018 • 10:20:43am

re: #404 wrenchwench

Bible quotation?

Old adage?

The Pope’s words?

Or is that just you?

A long time ago, I had a bumper sticker on my car that said “Hate is not a family value”. I was walking away from my car when some woman started yelling at me about the sticker and asking “Is that a gaaayy thing? I answered back that it was a bigot thing and she started droning about “Love the sinner, hate the sin!” when it was obvious that she didn’t know anything about my ‘sin’ and just wanted to hate on me for being gay. She didn’t want to talk, just throw judgement at me so I just told her she was wrong and walked away. Whenever someone says “Love the sinner, hate the sin”, it’s 1000% guaranteed that they thoroughly hate the person that they think is a sinner.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:22:31am
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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2018 • 10:22:51am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

Yeah I was thinking Sherlock Holmes bad guy too.

He needs a monocle.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:23:07am

re: #448 stpaulbear

A long time ago, I had a bumper sticker on my car that said “Hate is not a family value”. I was walking away from my car when some woman started yelling at me about the sticker and asking “Is that a gaaayy thing? I answered back that it was a bigot thing and she started droning about “Love the sinner, hate the sin!” when it was obvious that she didn’t know anything about my ‘sin’ and just wanted to hate on me for being gay. She didn’t want to talk, just throw judgement at me so I just told her she was wrong and walked away. Whenever someone says “Love the sinner, hate the sin”, it’s 1000% guaranteed that they thoroughly hate the person that they think is a sinner.

I always thought it was judgmental bullshit. Kind of like all those anti gay business owners who want to be able to deny gay people service because being gay is a sin while being okay with other sins. Like you never hear about anti-gay bakers or florists refusing to serve divorcees. Hmmm. It’s almost like their interpretation of sin is subjective bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:23:54am

re: #450 Dr Lizardo

He needs a monocle.

If he really wants to spice if up, he’d wear a pince-nez one.

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2018 • 10:24:54am

re: #448 stpaulbear

A long time ago, I had a bumper sticker on my car that said “Hate is not a family value”. I was walking away from my car when some woman started yelling at me about the sticker and asking “Is that a gaaayy thing? I answered back that it was a bigot thing and she started droning about “Love the sinner, hate the sin!” when it was obvious that she didn’t know anything about my ‘sin’ and just wanted to hate on me for being gay. She didn’t want to talk, just throw judgement at me so I just told her she was wrong and walked away. Whenever someone says “Love the sinner, hate the sin”, it’s 1000% guaranteed that they thoroughly hate the person that they think is a sinner.

{{{stpaulbear}}}

Haters seem to think ‘coming out’ is a taking turns thing. Now it’s their ‘turn’. Won’t work out that way for them.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 10:26:36am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

They think that America over the last 70 years has led the world through intimidation.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2018 • 10:27:32am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

If he really wants to spice if up, he’d wear a pince-nez one.

LOL.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2018 • 10:28:13am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:28:27am

re: #455 Dr Lizardo

LOL.

Growing a mustache too. Go all out 19th century bad guy, Roger, and give yourself a title too.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 10:29:26am

re: #448 stpaulbear

It’s a distinction without a difference in this case.

“Gay” really isn’t a specific act that can be…not done…cleanly. The “sin” is every single thought and action tied to desire and love.

And furthermore, the meet the homophobe’s standard of “not sinning” you don’t just have to not perform gayness, you have to constantly police yourself to not read as gay according to the standards of others.

The mass fishhook in all gay panics, and trans panics, is that they police subjective external criterion, and thus will always land on top of a far larger set than the putative targets…

…and I’d argue that’s intentional. It’s not just about homosexuality, it’s about who dictates within the public setting what behaviors suggest sexual “deviance” so it really’s policing of all publics behavior. Dress. Speech. Interests. Body language. Appearance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:30:49am

Our Revolution/berniebros are having a fit.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:32:53am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Our Revolution/berniebros are having a fit.

Nina’s more idiotic than Bernie. Not quite as bad as Gabbard though.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:35:05am

re: #448 stpaulbear

A long time ago, I had a bumper sticker on my car that said “Hate is not a family value”. I was walking away from my car when some woman started yelling at me about the sticker and asking “Is that a gaaayy thing? I answered back that it was a bigot thing and she started droning about “Love the sinner, hate the sin!” when it was obvious that she didn’t know anything about my ‘sin’ and just wanted to hate on me for being gay. She didn’t want to talk, just throw judgement at me so I just told her she was wrong and walked away. Whenever someone says “Love the sinner, hate the sin”, it’s 1000% guaranteed that they thoroughly hate the person that they think is a sinner.

That woman sounds rather snowflakey

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:36:44am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:36:44am

re: #461 Sir John Barron

That woman sounds rather snowflakey

Wingnuts are the most snowflakey of people. The dickhead clerk in my neighboring town who went off on that Boy Scout for example.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:38:03am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:39:29am

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Here’s another good question for you, Donald, why are you such a miserable piece of shit?

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gwangung  May 21, 2018 • 10:39:31am

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Astounding that this nitwit was trying to whitesplain MLK Jr. to his own daughter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:40:12am

Simba has Stone’s eyeglasses!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2018 • 10:40:18am

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

This will blow the freeper’s collective neuron. Heh. And, probably promote a Netflix boycott.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:40:29am

re: #466 gwangung

Astounding that this nitwit was trying to whitesplain MLK Jr. to his own daughter.

It’s what they do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:40:40am

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Simba has Stone’s eyeglasses!

This definitely calls for a “who wears it better” photo comparison.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 10:41:57am

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

He doesn’t seem to understand the “one day” and “rise up” bits… those require actually facing the underlying issues, specifically the often passive racism that has built white supremacy.

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ObserverArt  May 21, 2018 • 10:42:17am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Our Revolution/berniebros are having a fit.

Good. Maybe the whole damn thing falls apart after November and we don’t have to be concerned with them for 2020.

I guess it just took them some time to find out about the real Nina Turner.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:42:41am

re: #471 KGxvi

He doesn’t seem to understand the “one day” and “rise up” bits… those require actually facing the underlying issues, specifically the often passive racism that has built white supremacy. anything

fixed that.

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Charles Johnson  May 21, 2018 • 10:43:19am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:44:23am

re: #474 Charles Johnson

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Uh yeah Donald. We tried telling oyu that while you were telling the entire world that Kim Jong Un was honorable. But you were too busy jacking yourself off thinking you, a complete imbecile solved over 50 years of problems in Korea.

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ObserverArt  May 21, 2018 • 10:44:33am

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Simba has Stone’s eyeglasses!

I’d pet Simba.

I’d like to kick Stone in the ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:46:23am
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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:47:09am

re: #462 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hmmm… I don’t think you actually listened to your father.

Somebody tell Lucian it’s a little too early in the week for this kind of dumbfoctery.

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Belafon  May 21, 2018 • 10:48:24am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wonder if the dog knew it was with the pack leader. :)

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 10:48:41am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hope he gets along with the royal corgis.

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gwangung  May 21, 2018 • 10:48:52am

re: #478 Sir John Barron

Somebody tell Lucian it’s a little too early in the week for this kind of dumbfoctery.

Peak Trumpism, basically….”If I don’t know anything about a subject, how could ANYONE know anything about it?”

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allegro  May 21, 2018 • 10:49:31am

re: #477 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I love that so much.

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Teukka  May 21, 2018 • 10:50:32am

And on this side of the pond, MSB (Swedish equivalent of DHS) released a booklet on what to do if crisis or war comes:

Direct Link

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 10:51:34am

re: #475 HappyWarrior

Uh yeah Donald. We tried telling oyu that while you were telling the entire world that Kim Jong Un was honorable. But you were too busy jacking yourself off thinking you, a complete imbecile solved over 50 years of problems in Korea.

There was, at the beginning of this century, a real chance. Then 9/11 happened and Bush lumped North Korea into the Axis of Evil and blew up the chance. I suspect, back then, North Korea might have accepted a compromise where they remained under China’s nuclear umbrella and South Korea and Japan remained under ours.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:51:35am

LOL

Jack, a moron’s moron.

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MsJ  May 21, 2018 • 10:51:39am

re: #480 KGxvi

Hope he gets along with the royal corgis.

Apparently, the Queen’s corgis are none too pleasant to even the family. Harry made a comment that they were not kind to him but they instantly loved Markle.

It made me smile. Dog people ROCK!

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:51:54am

re: #481 gwangung

Peak Trumpism, basically….”If I don’t know anything about a subject, how could ANYONE know anything about it?”

“Look, here, I have this one, out of context quote from MLK JR which shows I know all about everything he said and lived.”

///

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Hecuba's daughter  May 21, 2018 • 10:51:56am

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
The Wall Street Journal asks, “WHERE IN THE WORLD WAS BARACK OBAMA?” A very good question!
7:51 AM - May 21, 2018
15,100 15,100 Replies 15,842 15,842 Retweets 62,586 62,586 likes

The WSJ did not ask good questions in the pre-Murdoch days; and its questions have only deteriorated since Murdoch acquired them. They were trash then; and they are worse trash now.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:52:28am

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

Where was Obama when/about what?

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:53:11am

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL

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Jack, a moron’s moron.

Uh no Jack, he’s spitting out bullshit as usual but you know al ot about that.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 10:53:41am

re: #486 MsJ

Apparently, the Queen’s corgis are none too pleasant to even the family. Harry made a comment that they were not kind to him but they instantly loved Markle.

It made me smile. Dog people ROCK!

Corgis are an interesting breed. My sister had one, and she may have been the smartest and sweetest dog we’ve ever had in the family. She was never too fond of kids, but that was probably because she was older than my nieces and nephews and toddlers can be terrors to dogs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:54:03am

re: #480 KGxvi

Hope he gets along with the royal corgis.

The queen’s last corgi crossed the Rainbow Bridge last month.
All that is left are two dorgis.

She still has two dogs, Vulcan and Candy, which are informally known as “dorgis” - a cross-breed between a dachshund and a corgi introduced to the royal household when Princess Margaret’s dachshund Pipkin mated with one of the Queen’s dogs.

theguardian.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:55:26am

re: #489 Sir John Barron

Where was Obama when/about what?

apparently it was in reference to an op-ed in today’s NYT (which the yam never reads…)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:56:31am
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Kragar  May 21, 2018 • 10:56:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 10:58:19am
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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 10:58:48am

re: #495 Kragar

White House: Dems are waging a “war against women in the Trump administration” thehill.com pic.twitter.com

— The Hill

Translation: Dem senators voted against my CIA nominee.

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allegro  May 21, 2018 • 10:59:43am

re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth

She still has two dogs, Vulcan and Candy, which are informally known as “dorgis” - a cross-breed between a dachshund and a corgi introduced to the royal household when Princess Margaret’s dachshund Pipkin mated with one of the Queen’s dogs.

An illicit rendezvous to add to the centuries of palace intrigue. But this one makes it sound like a fun place. :)

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 10:59:49am

re: #495 Kragar

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Oh yes they do. They know FNC will spread that the real reason for opposition ot Haspel is that she’s a woman.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2018 • 11:00:07am

re: #496 Backwoods_Sleuth

Poor Marco being so bullied and terrorized.

/

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 11:00:17am

re: #496 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Marco’s such a fake little fraud.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 11:00:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 11:02:08am
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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 11:02:23am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But no difference between HRC and Trump, right Jill?

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jeffreyw  May 21, 2018 • 11:02:26am

Lunch!

Imgur

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 11:04:03am

re: #499 HappyWarrior

Oh yes they do. They know FNC will spread that the real reason for opposition ot Haspel is that she’s a woman.

As always, it’s bad faith.

They’re not trying to convince anyone. This is another wifebeater tactic: demand the target comply because they hold an ethical position that, if applied with no nuance and zero context, can be read as a reason to comply.

So it’s a lose-lose situation for the target. Compliance involves a kind of breach of one’s ethics by accepting someone’s else’s flat “read” of what is right. If you don’t comply, you’re going to be punished for being a hypocrite, and that “hypocrisy” will be used to invalidate any other moment you try to take an ethical stand.

The lose-lose scenario is the point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 11:06:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 11:08:18am

***BLINK***BLINK***BLINK***

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Charmingly Persistent  May 21, 2018 • 11:08:21am

Does anyone know how to get the images from Twitter to show up? When I hit the button all I get is this:

No images for me

This has persisted through reloads and restarts and such. Safari on a Mac.

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Alephnaught  May 21, 2018 • 11:09:34am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is that normal? I mean, for Roger Stone to decide to dress like a Cosplay Jack the Ripper character?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 11:10:12am

re: #510 Alephnaught

Is that normal? I mean, for Roger Stone to decide to dress like a Cosplay Jack the Ripper character?

yes, it is.

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HappyWarrior  May 21, 2018 • 11:10:18am

re: #510 Alephnaught

Is that normal? I mean, for Roger Stone to decide to dress like a Cosplay Jack the Ripper character?

For Stone, yes.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2018 • 11:12:08am

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

Supreme Leader is the official title of his office. But what I’m wondering is if similar coins have been made in the past.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 11:12:35am
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Charmingly Persistent  May 21, 2018 • 11:13:31am

re: #509 Charmingly Persistent

Huh. The button works on Firefox. Could it be AdBlock Plus? I have it turned off here (in addition to having a subscription) so I wouldn’t think so.

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Charmingly Persistent  May 21, 2018 • 11:14:13am

re: #510 Alephnaught

Is that normal? I mean, for Roger Stone to decide to dress like a Cosplay Jack the Ripper character?

It’s the one and only thing I kind of like about him - his insane fashion sense.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 11:14:14am

In all seriousness, I think we’re dealing with people who buy into the idea that the North Korean leadership operate in the way that comic caricatures present—sucking voids of ego with zero clue, wrapped up in nonsensical excesses of rhetoric—as opposed to being very dangerous because of their mix of no fucks given about other people, accustomedness to absolute power, and familiarity with constantly engaging in intrigue and beatdowns to stay in power.

These are ruthless, conscienceless motherfuckers that play lethal versions of the power games—sucking up, threats, symbolic displays of aggression and superiority. The other ways their system is ridiculous does not change that they know how to play the game of “I don’t care who dies and I know how to be scary.”

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Kragar  May 21, 2018 • 11:15:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2018 • 11:15:44am

The level of smug pomposity and arrogance in this screed is just epic:

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Jay C  May 21, 2018 • 11:16:25am

re: #517 The Ghost of a Flea

In all seriousness, I think we’re dealing with people who buy into the idea that the North Korean leadership operate in the way that comic caricatures present—sucking voids of ego with zero clue, wrapped up in nonsensical excesses of rhetoric—as opposed to being very dangerous because of their mix of no fucks given about other people, accustomedness to absolute power, and familiarity with constantly engaging in intrigue and beatdowns to stay in power.

These are ruthless, conscienceless motherfuckers that play lethal versions of the power games—sucking up, threats, symbolic displays of aggression and superiority. The other ways their system is ridiculous does not change that they know how to play the game of “I don’t care who dies and I know how to be scary.”

You mean as opposed to how Donald Trump and most of his Administration behave???

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 21, 2018 • 11:17:27am

re: #520 Jay C

Touche

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MsJ  May 21, 2018 • 11:17:49am

re: #514 Backwoods_Sleuth

$3.55 here for Premium.

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makeitstop  May 21, 2018 • 11:18:28am

re: #503 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He hereby demands! That’s where Granpa Ranty got it!

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Skip Intro  May 21, 2018 • 11:20:05am

re: #510 Alephnaught

Is that normal? I mean, for Roger Stone to decide to dress like a Cosplay Jack the Ripper character?

The first time I saw him I thought he stole his look from Western Exterminators.

And of course the thread is done. Sigh.

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Alephnaught  May 21, 2018 • 11:23:21am

re: #486 MsJ

Apparently, the Queen’s corgis are none too pleasant to even the family. Harry made a comment that they were not kind to him but they instantly loved Markle.

It made me smile. Dog people ROCK!

On a point of order: the corgis are gone now. The last one died a month or so back. It’s mostly dorgis now.

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MsJ  May 21, 2018 • 11:23:56am

re: #525 Alephnaught

On a point of order: the corgis are gone now. The last one died a month or so back. It’s mostly dorgis now.

Yes, but Meghan was introduced to the family two years ago.

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stpaulbear  May 21, 2018 • 11:31:36am

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

I kind of want to own some of these Trump coins just as a token (so to speak) of how awful this presidency is (well, was, when it’s finally over), but I don’t want to actually have to buy them.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 21, 2018 • 11:34:58am

re: #514 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lol

Donald The Truthful:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 21, 2018 • 1:14:49pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

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John Hughes  May 22, 2018 • 8:00:28am

re: #480 KGxvi

Hope he gets along with the royal corgis.

The corgis are all dead. There are two remaining dorgis.

Shit, I’m a republican, why do I even know this crap.

(Republican in the British sense, not American).


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