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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 22, 2018 • 12:15:56pm
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Charles Johnson  May 22, 2018 • 12:16:35pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 22, 2018 • 12:19:43pm
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MsJ  May 22, 2018 • 12:20:27pm

From downstairs.

Honest to god, read the comments at this article… The stuff they believe is stunning. I’m so saddened by this. It’s completely insane yet they fully believe (the comments, aside from the article).

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:21:10pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You mean the American “hero” that pled guilty to crimes.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:21:28pm

re: #4 MsJ

From downstairs.

I really want to see Nunes in jail.

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MsJ  May 22, 2018 • 12:21:56pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 12:22:25pm

re: #4 MsJ

From downstairs.

Yes it is, Nunes. It means the FBI believed there was serious shit going on.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:23:14pm

re: #8 Belafon

Yes it is, Nunes. It means the FBI believed there was serious shit going on.

Nunes logic: The FBI were the real criminals not the Mafia when they investigated Cosa Nostra.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 12:23:39pm
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lawhawk  May 22, 2018 • 12:26:05pm

Reset the clock:

Active shooter situation in Panama City Florida. Thoughts and prayers aren’t requested or needed.

Those who are in a position to act to make the city, state, and nation safer from gun violence who refuse to act are using thoughts and prayers as a substitute to action. They project and deflect the causes and rationales for doing anything except the one thing that has worked everywhere else it’s been tried: strong gun control.

States with strong gun laws have lower per capita death rates (homicide, suicide, accident) than weak gun law states.

The US has more mass shootings (take just school shootings) than every other developed nation on the planet combined. That’s on a per capita or bottom line reading.

The GOP/NRA refuse to do anything that reduces gun sales. That’s what they’re in the business of doing - it’s not about public safety or reducing gun sales. That doesn’t help the gun makers.

But you know what improves public safety? Holding those who negligently store guns responsible when those guns are misused/used in criminal or negligent acts. Gun owners would be responsible when a person use guns accidentally (such as one shooting a sibling accidentally) as well as when the person uses the gun to commit a mass shooting. That means the gun was improperly stored, accessed, and it is on the gun owner to make sure the gun is properly secured at all times.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 12:26:11pm

From the previous thread:

re: #415 gocart mozart

Does Broidy have this power or is it Donny Dennison

(referring to the O-1 visa given to a Canadian Playboy model)

She might very well have qualified for the so-called “genius visa.” Playboy once did a spread called “The Women of Mensa.” Adult film star Asia Carrera is a member of Mensa.

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 12:26:58pm

Repeating this from downstairs because woo-hoo

yippie yappee and yahooee
the eagle has landed
remember the Maine
the French have arrive
and whoop-de-do

Mrs dm’s been sprung

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lawhawk  May 22, 2018 • 12:27:16pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 22, 2018 • 12:27:34pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 22, 2018 • 12:27:50pm
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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 12:28:19pm

re: #11 lawhawk

Reset the clock:

Active shooter situation in Panama City Florida. Thoughts and prayers aren’t requested or needed.

Those who are in a position to act to make the city, state, and nation safer from gun violence who refuse to act are using thoughts and prayers as a substitute to action. They project and deflect the causes and rationales for doing anything except the one thing that has worked everywhere else it’s been tried: strong gun control.

States with strong gun laws have lower per capita death rates (homicide, suicide, accident) than weak gun law states.

The US has more mass shootings (take just school shootings) than every other developed nation on the planet combined. That’s on a per capita or bottom line reading.

The GOP/NRA refuse to do anything that reduces gun sales. That’s what they’re in the business of doing - it’s not about public safety or reducing gun sales. That doesn’t help the gun makers.

But you know what improves public safety? Holding those who negligently store guns responsible when those guns are misused/used in criminal or negligent acts. Gun owners would be responsible when a person use guns accidentally (such as one shooting a sibling accidentally) as well as when the person uses the gun to commit a mass shooting. That means the gun was improperly stored, accessed, and it is on the gun owner to make sure the gun is properly secured at all times.

Control your weapon at all times or lose your freedom finances and future

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 12:29:18pm
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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 12:31:19pm

re: #15 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So it will be Nunes and Gowdy screaming at the other people to act more Republican.

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freetoken  May 22, 2018 • 12:31:39pm
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S'latch  May 22, 2018 • 12:32:02pm

The Really Big Summit with North Korea is looking GREAT too!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2018 • 12:32:30pm

SpaceX has gone live.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:33:04pm

re: #14 lawhawk

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You’d think that his supporters who supposedly hate lying would be outraged by this but nah they won’t care because they hate the media more than they hate Trump lying to them.

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 12:33:32pm

SpaceX site live now with 15 minutes to go.

http://www.spacex.com/webcast

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 22, 2018 • 12:33:52pm

re: #21 S’latch

The Really Big Summit with North Korea is looking GREAT too!

makes me want one of those coins…

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 12:34:01pm

This is Trump’s standard pitch to investors/contractors/etc. - “I’ll make you rich!”

Then once the deal is signed, he starts reneging and threatening to avoid paying. That’s where we’re at with Iran.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:34:56pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

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This is Trump’s standard pitch to investors/contractors/etc. - “I’ll make you rich!”

Then once the deal is signed, he starts reneging and threatening to avoid paying. That’s where we’re at with Iran.

Remember when so much as opening diplomatic relations with Cuba was the worst thing ever to Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Bet they won’t say anything on this or if they do especially Cruz will praise it.

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lawhawk  May 22, 2018 • 12:38:51pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

We’ve completely skipped over normalized relations to Trump making North Koreans rich and protecting Jong Un to keep him happy.

But Obama was the worst for normalizing relations and lifting sanctions against Cuba that failed to achieve anything they were designed to do.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:39:34pm

re: #28 lawhawk

We’ve completely skipped over normalized relations to Trump making North Koreans rich and protecting Jong Un to keep him happy.

But Obama was the worst for normalizing relations and lifting sanctions against Cuba that failed to achieve anything they were designed to do.

Yep. Frigging hypocrites.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:40:34pm

Tim Kaine has a good sense of humor.
politics.theonion.com

He shared this on Facebook just now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 12:42:37pm

So Rudy made a deal with a maker of OxyContin to continue hooking people…

Purdue Pharma hired Rudolph Giuliani, the former New York mayor and now Donald Trump’s lawyer, to head off a federal investigation in the mid-2000s into the company’s marketing of the powerful prescription painkiller at the centre of an epidemic estimated to have claimed at least 300,000 lives.

While Giuliani was not able to prevent the criminal conviction over Purdue’s fraudulent claims for OxyContin’s safety and effectiveness, he was able to reach a deal to avoid a bar on Purdue doing business with the federal government which would have killed a large part of the multibillion-dollar market for the drug.

The former New York mayor also secured an agreement that greatly restricted further prosecution of the pharmaceutical company and kept its senior executives out of prison.

What could be more Republican than keeping drug pushers out of jail! Oliver North chuckles at this

theguardian.com

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:43:32pm

re: #31 Joe Bacon 🌹

So Rudy made a deal with a maker of OxyContin to continue hooking people…

Purdue Pharma hired Rudolph Giuliani, the former New York mayor and now Donald Trump’s lawyer, to head off a federal investigation in the mid-2000s into the company’s marketing of the powerful prescription painkiller at the centre of an epidemic estimated to have claimed at least 300,000 lives.

While Giuliani was not able to prevent the criminal conviction over Purdue’s fraudulent claims for OxyContin’s safety and effectiveness, he was able to reach a deal to avoid a bar on Purdue doing business with the federal government which would have killed a large part of the multibillion-dollar market for the drug.

The former New York mayor also secured an agreement that greatly restricted further prosecution of the pharmaceutical company and kept its senior executives out of prison.

What could be more Republican than keeping drug pushers out of jail! Oliver North chuckles at this

theguardian.com

Rudy is such a vile scumbag.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 22, 2018 • 12:43:38pm

You can hear Mom squawking at me in the background.

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Jay C  May 22, 2018 • 12:45:32pm

re: #28 lawhawk

We’ve completely skipped over normalized relations to Trump making North Koreans rich and protecting Jong Un to keep him happy.

But Obama was the worst for normalizing relations and lifting sanctions against Cuba that failed to achieve anything they were designed to do.

Mainly, AFAICT, because there isn’t a large voting bloc of Koreans in a swing state obsessed with using political pressure to influence Korean-American relations for their own ends. YMMV…

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:47:49pm

re: #34 Jay C

Mainly, AFAICT, because there isn’t a large voting bloc of Koreans in a swing state obsessed with using political pressure to influence Korean-American relations for their own ends. YMMV…

I know I’ve said this before but it has long annoyed me that the Cuban-American bloc has acted like their group is the only one that faced persecution under a dictatorship. I’m not saying the Castro regime doesn’t deserve the criticism it received. I’m saying that Cuban-Americans like Rubio, Cruz, and others want Cuban exiles to get special treatment. It’s always been bullshit.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 12:48:15pm

Vroom, no boom.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 22, 2018 • 12:49:38pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

Vroom, no boom.

You’re stealing my shtick???

Damn.

//

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electrotek  May 22, 2018 • 12:51:07pm

re: #34 Jay C

Mainly, AFAICT, because there isn’t a large voting bloc of Koreans in a swing state obsessed with using political pressure to influence Korean-American relations for their own ends. YMMV…

Korean-Americans had more sway in the 30’s and 40’s politically than they do now, for obvious reasons.

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mmmirele  May 22, 2018 • 12:51:24pm

I’m sure you all have heard about the arrests of Saudi women’s rights advocates within the last 10 days.

apnews.com

My heart fell when I learned one of the detained is Eman Al-Nafjan, who has a blog in English called Saudiwoman and whose Twitter handle is @saudiwoman. She’s one of the few English-speaking Saudi women to try and explain the country to outsiders.

Not that Mohammed bin Salman is reading an American blog, but this looks bad, very bad, to the outside world.

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goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2018 • 12:52:52pm

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 12:54:03pm
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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:54:42pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

JFC

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Why do I very much doubt Cornyn would care if the shooter had been a PoC or LGBT? I don’t care if he was bullied and from what I understand, he wasn’t bullied. The girl rejecting him wasn’t bullying him. Pretty fucking hilarious how Republicans are all about law and order and could care less about actual bullying but want a pity party for an actual murderer.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 12:54:46pm

re: #37 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

You’re stealing my shtick???

Damn.

//

Sorry. Do you want it back?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 12:55:40pm

a “joke”…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 12:55:46pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Why do I very much doubt Cornyn would care if the shooter had been a PoC or LGBT? I don’t care if he was bullied and from what I understand, he wasn’t bullied. The girl rejecting him wasn’t bullying him. Pretty fucking hilarious how Republicans are all about law and order and could care less about actual bullying but want a pity party for an actual murderer.

Waiting for Jordon Peterson to weigh in on the redistribution of women in five …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 12:57:03pm
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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:57:10pm

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

Waiting for Jordon Peterson to weigh in on the redistribution of women in five …

New rule: If you believe in redistributing sex, you have to jackoff an Incel yourself.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 12:57:39pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

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a “joke”…

You know, jokes are supposed to be fucking funny.

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goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2018 • 12:57:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 12:58:08pm

sounds like fun…wish I lived closer:

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SteelPH  May 22, 2018 • 12:58:23pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Repeating from downstairs:

I was bullied. I was bullied a lot. I may have hit a couple bullies in a rage, but at no point did it ever cross my mind to kill them. I even played a lot of violent video games and listened to heavy metal music at the time.

Though my family didn’t own any firearms. Still don’t.

But I digress. Fuck this excuse making bullshit.

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freetoken  May 22, 2018 • 12:59:12pm

Neat being able to see Baja and the California gulf from the SpaceX cameras.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 22, 2018 • 1:01:00pm
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Charles Johnson  May 22, 2018 • 1:02:54pm
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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 1:03:41pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

paul mcleary ✔
@paulmcleary
Special Ops leader Gen. Tony Thomas just joked that the Mayor of Tampa will “take it out on the media” with a .50 cal tomorrow after demonstration. Good times. #SOFIC

1:21 PM - May 22, 2018

a “joke”…

I think this an example of the “culture of violence” Ollie North was talking about.

Add it to seeing people being violent with so much coverage of the mass gun killings, and people being racists and violent, like in Charlottesville, and there is the culture of violence that may cause some of these shooters to act.

No movies, no video games…all from watching this country go fucking nuts and not doing anything about it.

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mmmirele  May 22, 2018 • 1:05:53pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

JFC

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Fuck that noise. I gave Cornyn an earful.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:06:54pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 22, 2018 • 1:07:30pm

re: #1 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

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Just filled up for over $3/gallon. Arghhhh! But it’s good to know that all this oil money is going into the pockets of Trump’s Russian and Saudi friends.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:08:21pm

He also murdered a 64 year old woman who was working to help take care of her sick husband’s bills. It would be fucking nice if there were actually some decent human beings in the Republican Party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:09:49pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Maybe she was buying a Turing Car.

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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 1:10:06pm

re: #56 mmmirele

He was rejected by Fisher, if I understand it correctly.

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SteelPH  May 22, 2018 • 1:10:24pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

He also murdered a 64 year old woman who was working to help take care of her sick husband’s bills. It would be fucking nice if there were actually some decent human beings in the Republican Party.

Naturally, conservatives responded to his gofundme page with(I hope you’re sitting down!) thoughts and prayers, and no actual donations.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:11:07pm

re: #62 SteelPH

Naturally, conservatives responded to his gofundme page with(I hope you’re sitting down!) thoughts and prayers, and no actual donations.

Yeah and I also saw that one of our own gave a very generous donation.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:11:37pm

re: #62 SteelPH

Naturally, conservatives responded to his gofundme page with(I hope you’re sitting down!) thoughts and prayers, and no actual donations.

And those same Republicans will tell him that his church will gladly assist him with plenty of bake sales and bingos.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:11:42pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 22, 2018 • 1:12:11pm

re: #60 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe she was buying a Turing Car.

You win the internet today.

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 1:13:45pm

re: #51 SteelPH

Repeating from downstairs:

I was bullied. I was bullied a lot. I may have hit a couple bullies in a rage, but at no point did it ever cross my mind to kill them. I even played a lot of violent video games and listened to heavy metal music at the time.

Though my family didn’t own any firearms. Still don’t.

But I digress. Fuck this excuse making bullshit.

Anything, absolutely anything to avoid admitting it’s the guns

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Charles Johnson  May 22, 2018 • 1:14:26pm
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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:14:37pm

re: #67 dangerman

Anything, absolutely anything to avoid admitting it’s the guns

For too many in this country, guns are a cult.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:15:31pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

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I really want to see her guns taken from her and destroyed in front of her just to watch her wallow in misery. She cares more about those stupid guns than her actual children.

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SteelPH  May 22, 2018 • 1:15:34pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Probably because it’s way, way more difficult to kill people en masse with a knife than it is with a gun.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:16:50pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Actually, if you had a mass knife attack it probably would be called that.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:16:58pm

And what the hell is she talking about? Multiple stabbings are talked about. But let’s cry about multiple shootings being called what they actually are because I’m Dana Loesch and I make my money promoting lies for the gun industry and I have no redeemable qualities as a human being and I just whine about the media reporting on tragedies caused by my organization’s lack of interest in doing anything to prevent gun violence.

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Jay C  May 22, 2018 • 1:18:03pm

re: #56 mmmirele

Fuck that noise. I gave Cornyn an earful.

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Somebody called Sen. Cornyn out on his retweet of that WSJ piece on Pagourtzis, and his response was:

Senator John Cornyn

Verified account

@JohnCornyn
4h4 hours ago
More Senator John Cornyn Retweeted Benjy Sarlin
Not sending a message, crediting claim, or excusing murder. Just noting fact he said it. That is what news does.

Though, looking through the good Senator’s Twitter timeline, I noticed the link to Antonios Pagourtzis’ excuse-making for his son was pretty much the only “news” item he bothered to cite (the rest seemed to be the usual politicians’ boilerplate)…

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:18:12pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

Actually, if you had a mass knife attack it probably would be called that.

It in fact was called that when one happened in China around the same time as Sandy Hook. Gun nuts cried because it didn’t get as much attention but as memory serves, no one died in it and as Steel correctly said, it’s a lot easier to kill people quickly with a gun than a knife. That’s why guns exist, Dana. Maybe learn that when you’re not being a pedantic witch about assault weapons.

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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 1:18:19pm

Someone tell Dana to google “mass stabbing.” That’s exactly what they’re called.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:19:12pm

re: #67 dangerman

Anything, absolutely anything to avoid admitting it’s the guns

Same here. Add in the teachers who encouraged the thugs. High School was hell.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:19:14pm

Needz Moar Doris Day.

Doris Day - Que Sera Sera

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:19:26pm

re: #76 Belafon

Someone tell Dana to google “mass stabbing.” That’s exactly what they’re called.

She won’t. She has her head too far up her ass because she like the rest of the NRA want to make these tragedies not about the victims but about the real victims, the poor widdle gun owner.

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 1:19:37pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

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NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch: It’s unfair to say “mass shootings” because knife crimes aren’t called “mass knifings

Unfair. unfair?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 1:20:07pm

Looks like the Milwaukee PD really messed up by tasing a Black Milwaukee Bucks basketball player for no reason at all. Imagine that?

It must be awfully damning video if the mayor and the police chief are warning people how damning it is. And the police chief is asking for support in his departments troubled times.

Buy a clue Chief. You don’t need support. You need a new job and your department needs a clean-out.

ESPN - Attorney: Bucks’ Sterling Brown to sue Milwaukee Police Department

The attorney for Milwaukee Bucks rookie Sterling Brown said the guard plans to file a lawsuit against the Milwaukee Police Department after officers used a stun gun on him — without provocation, according to a report — during an arrest in January.

Plans for the lawsuit were announced as body-camera footage of the Jan. 26 incident was scheduled to be released Wednesday, attorney Mark Thomsen told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday.

Police officers used a stun gun on Brown and arrested the then-22-year-old guard during questioning over a parking violation in a Walgreens parking lot at about 2 a.m. on Jan. 26.

On Monday, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said he has seen the video and was concerned about public backlash over the officers’ conduct. He said Police Chief Alfonso Morales also had a similar reaction.

“I’m going to let the release of that speak for itself, but yes, I definitely have concerns after watching that video,” Barrett told reporters Monday.

Sources who have seen the body-camera footage told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that Brown was not at all combative before officers used the stun gun.

“This could be bad,” a source told the Journal Sentinel of the video. “The player doesn’t appear to be provocative at all.”

Police have shown the footage to some local officials, including a closed session of a Common Council committee.

The officers involved in the incident are the subject of an internal investigation. Brown was not charged after his arrest for resisting or obstructing an officer.

“There’s going to be a video that’s going to come out soon, in the next couple of weeks, involving the department,” Assistant Police Chief Michael Brunson Sr. told a church congregation on Sunday, according to WITI-TV. “And I’m going to be honest with you, we’re going to need your support during the challenges.”

The Bucks signed the 6-foot-6 guard from SMU last summer in a deal with the Philadelphia 76ers, who selected him in the second round of the 2017 draft. He averaged 4.0 points and 2.6 rebounds this season.

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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 1:20:20pm

We’re getting so many mass shootings, we’re going to need to start calling them gross shootings.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:20:34pm

re: #80 dangerman

Unfair. unfair?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

How long you got?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 22, 2018 • 1:21:18pm
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mmmirele  May 22, 2018 • 1:21:23pm

re: #61 Belafon

He was rejected by Fisher, if I understand it correctly.

Blergh, I got that backwards. Tweet deleted and corrected:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 22, 2018 • 1:21:30pm

Native American warriors were very good with bows and arrows, knives, lances, and clubs, as were their European counterparts in earlier times. All, without exception, equipped themselves with guns as soon as they possibly could. And guns have advanced a great deal since those days.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:21:39pm

re: #82 Belafon

We’re getting so many mass shootings, we’re going to need to start calling them gross shootings.

Gotta get to 144 first.
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Bulk shootings? Wholesale shootings?

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:22:11pm

No offense to the gun owners here but this is exactly why some of us don’t like guns. When the spokesperson for the country’s largest gun owners organization cries that characterizing mass shootings as well mass shootings because of some made up bullshit about stabbings. Dana has a problem. I’m sorry to sound so harsh but she’s mentally disturbed and the poster child for why we need changes in gun laws.

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Kragar  May 22, 2018 • 1:22:22pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2018 • 1:24:40pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

Actually, if you had a mass knife attack it probably would be called that.

The English word is “stabbings”. There’s no such word as “knifings”, so if you Google for it, you won’t find anything, thus proving her point. There’s no depth of dishonesty they won’t sink to.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2018 • 1:26:03pm

re: #76 Belafon

Someone tell Dana to google “mass stabbing.” That’s exactly what they’re called.

You beat me to it.

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thecommodore  May 22, 2018 • 1:26:26pm
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Interesting Times  May 22, 2018 • 1:27:00pm

This is the evergreen response to Dana Loesch’s disingenuous dumbfuckery:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 22, 2018 • 1:27:00pm
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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 1:27:46pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

She won’t. She has her head too far up her ass because she like the rest of the NRA want to make these tragedies not about the victims but about the real victims, the poor widdle gun owner.

As I’ve said over and over if they would all at least come down on the father who didn’t secure his weapons, it would be a start

Identify and cull out the irresponsible ones. That would never be you, right?

Meanwhile you let people like the dad represent and be the face of all of you. And that makes you have to say this stupid shit

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:28:53pm

re: #92 thecommodore

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In other words, snowflakes. As for their country, it was Trump not Clinton who said “As if we’re perfect” when Putin’s terrible record on human rights was brought up. And yeah I’m sorry but a lot of their religious beliefs are bigotry. They may not like hearing that but opposition to same sex marriage is certainly bigotry as was opposition to interracial marriage. Trump voters just didn’t want to join the 21st century so they threw a tantrum and gave us a President that doesn’t give a fuck about anyone including them.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 22, 2018 • 1:29:22pm

re: #92 thecommodore

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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 1:30:23pm

Hey, so remember around this time yesterday when I tried to reach out for an honest conversation with a FB friend/IRL acquaintance who was applauding the “animals” statement from the White House?

This guy’s been in a very bad place lately - a close family member has been hospitalized in a coma for the last few weeks and isn’t getting better. So I’m not sure if it was just anger over that that led him to lash out at me this morning as a “liberal asshole” with “phony compassion.”

Dunno why I was expecting anything better. It’s just sad to see the wedges this administration and this mentality is driving between people who once called each other friends. My only response to him was to tell him (accurately and sincerely) that I’m going to keep praying for his family member to get better.

This world just makes me so fucking sad these days.

(Oh, and one of this guy’s FB friends started ranting at me for being a communist, etc. Strangers like that, I’ll ignore and block. But I’m not blocking my friend, because I do really want to know how things go with his family member.)

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  May 22, 2018 • 1:30:27pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

But… I am a robot.

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 1:32:20pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Native American warriors were very good with bows and arrows, knives, lances, and clubs, as were their European counterparts in earlier times. All, without exception, equipped themselves with guns as soon as they possibly could. And guns have advanced a great deal since those days.

What, they skipped motor vehicles?

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:32:41pm

re: #98 ipsos

Hey, so remember around this time yesterday when I tried to reach out for an honest conversation with a FB friend/IRL acquaintance who was applauding the “animals” statement from the White House?

This guy’s been in a very bad place lately - a close family member has been hospitalized in a coma for the last few weeks and isn’t getting better. So I’m not sure if it was just anger over that that led him to lash out at me this morning as a “liberal asshole” with “phony compassion.”

Dunno why I was expecting anything better. It’s just sad to see the wedges this administration and this mentality is driving between people who once called each other friends. My only response to him was to tell him (accurately and sincerely) that I’m going to keep praying for his family member to get better.

This world just makes me so fucking sad these days.

(Oh, and one of this guy’s FB friends started ranting at me for being a communist, etc. Strangers like that, I’ll ignore and block. But I’m not blocking my friend, because I do really want to know how things go with his family member.)

It can be so hard. I do wish the best for your friend and their family. From what I saw of what you posted yesterday, you were very kind to them all things considered. I see conservatives cry all the time about how “mean” the left is to them. I really want to be able to understand why my conservative friends and family feel the way they do but then they post something racist, sexist, homophobic, or whatever and I just lose my patience. I love my one conservative friend like a brother but I want to smack him when he posts bigoted bulshit.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 22, 2018 • 1:33:07pm

re: #99 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

But… I am a robot.

It’s OK. Robots are able to make checkmarks on paper.

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jaunte  May 22, 2018 • 1:33:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 1:33:34pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2018 • 1:33:56pm

re: #99 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

But… I am a robot.

As if a robot would admit it. I don’t remember “not lying” in the Three Laws….

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:34:08pm

Their religious beliefs ARE bigotry, and they didn’t just want to be left alone to be bigots in the privacy of their homes. They believe the force of Government should be used to enforce their bigotry.

Their ‘pride in America’ IS ‘White Pride’, hence their embrace of Birtherism, ‘All Lives Matter’, and ‘Just comply with police and you’ll be okay’.

The country they loved IS flawed, and they oppose any attempt to fix it.

The problem I have with Salena Zito and all the ‘We have to understand them’ folks is that WE DO UNDERSTAND THEM. Sure, they feel like they’re losing control - they should not have had that control in the first place! We’re supposed to accomodate their FEELINGS at the expense of everyone else’s RIGHTS!

Fuck that noise.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:34:40pm

The NFL may impose a 15 yard penalty for kneeling during the national anthem. WTF.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:34:46pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

No offense to the gun owners here but this is exactly why some of us don’t like guns. When the spokesperson for the country’s largest gun owners organization cries that characterizing mass shootings as well mass shootings because of some made up bullshit about stabbings. Dana has a problem. I’m sorry to sound so harsh but she’s mentally disturbed and the poster child for why we need changes in gun laws.

The spokesperson for the largest gun owners’ association represents a tiny minority of gun owners.

Even non-gun owning conservatives make the same arguments. I have heard them here in real-life: Why don’t liberals demand truck control (are you kidding?), knife control (tell me when you hear of a mass-murder from a hotel five hundred feet away from a concert), &c.

Dana is not mentally unstable. Dana is paid to deflect attention away from the NRA. Anger is focused on her and she is paid very well for that job.

What the students in Parkland did was rip the mask off the spokesliars the NRA employs (other than to call out a direct lie) to go after the organisation itself.

That’s why the NRA started flailing on social media: Their usual tactic of being quiet while they set out a lightning rod didn’t work, and suddenly they were at a disadvantage directly attacking survivors of a mass-murder.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:35:53pm

re: #99 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

But… I am a robot.

Dolores? Is that you?*
//

*Westworld reference

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:36:22pm

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

The spokesperson for the largest gun owners’ association represents a tiny minority of gun owners.

Even non-gun owning conservatives make the same arguments. I have heard them here in real-life: Why don’t liberals demand truck control (are you kidding?), knife control (tell me when you hear of a mass-murder from a hotel five hundred feet away from a concert), &c.

Dana is not mentally unstable. Dana is paid to deflect attention away from the NRA. Anger is focused on her and she is paid very well for that job.

What the students in Parkland did was rip the mask off the spokesliars the NRA employs (other than to call out a direct lie) to go after the organisation itself.

That’s why the NRA started flailing on social media: Their usual tactic of being quiet while they set out a lightning rod didn’t work, and suddenly they were at a disadvantage directly attacking survivors of a mass-murder.

Whatever she is. She’s a propagandist and the poster child for why I hate the gun rights movement in this country.

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Citizen K  May 22, 2018 • 1:37:15pm

Really hope Adam ends up wrong about this, otherwise nothing truly matters, and the country really just hates Dems and minorities more than it likes anything else.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:39:13pm

re: #111 Citizen K

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Really hope Adam ends up wrong about this, otherwise nothing truly matters, and the country really just hates Dems and minorities more than it likes anything else.

I honestly don’t know. But this goes to show you that it’s not going to be easy in 2020. We can’t take anything for granted. I’m feeling really disillusioned though seeing that Trump bay be rewarded by the voters though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:39:35pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Whatever she is. She’s a propagandist and the poster child for why I hate the gun rights movement in this country.

At this point, it’s not about gun rights, really. It’s about gun sales. “Get them before they’re banned! The Government is coming for your guns, leaving you defenseless as the Brown Hordes of MS13 pour over the border to behead you and rape your wives and daughters, assuming the rioting black men don’t get to you first!!”

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:40:34pm

re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White

At this point, it’s not about gun rights, really. It’s about gun sales. “Get them before they’re banned! The Government is coming for your guns, leaving you defenseless as the Brown Hordes of MS13 pour over the border to behead you and rape your wives and daughters, assuming the rioting black men don’t get to you first!!”

Yep and Dana to me showed what she’s really all about when she blamed Castile for his own death because he had marijuana in his system. She’s a racist witch and a hired gun for a despicable organization who I’d love to see destroyed.

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majii  May 22, 2018 • 1:40:37pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White “18 GOP lawmakers nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize”

Shhhhhh, don’t tell them they missed the cut off date for 2018 which was Feb.1

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 1:40:37pm

re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White

At this point, it’s not about gun rights, really. It’s about gun sales. “Get them before they’re banned! The Government is coming for your guns, leaving you defenseless as the Brown Hordes of MS13 pour over the border to behead you and rape your wives and daughters, assuming the rioting black men don’t get to you first!!”

I have literally been hearing this for 30+ years

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mmmirele  May 22, 2018 • 1:40:47pm

Paige Patterson, the president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth was already in trouble for a story he regularly told about telling a beaten up wife to stay with and pray for her abuser, now has a serious problem on his hands.

He’s accused of telling a female MDiv student not to report her rape to police in 2003 but to forgive her attacker.

washingtonpost.com

But it may be too late…the trustees of SWBTS are meeting RIGHT NOW and may have already decided to let Patterson stay, but also to take up residence at retirement in a new home being built on campus, called the Baptist Heritage Center.

Jesus, save us from your professional followers!

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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 1:40:48pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

It can be so hard. I do wish the best for your friend and their family. From what I saw of what you posted yesterday, you were very kind to them all things considered. I see conservatives cry all the time about how “mean” the left is to them. I really want to be able to understand why my conservative friends and family feel the way they do but then they post something racist, sexist, homophobic, or whatever and I just lose my patience. I love my one conservative friend like a brother but I want to smack him when he posts bigoted bulshit.

Thanks, HW.

I’ve gotta scrape together sixty bucks so I can subscribe properly here… this place and the people who populate it is such a gem of sanity and goodwill in a world gone mad.

I try really hard not to engage in political FB because it never ends very well - but the “animals” thing gets me so righteously angry. My wife’s family lost people in the Holocaust, and I grew up as an American Jew in the 70s learning that we had to do everything in our power to make sure “never again” was a reality. And now to see the slippery slope extending ahead of us…. it makes you want to scream.

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jaunte  May 22, 2018 • 1:42:11pm

re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White

At this point, it’s not about gun rights, really. It’s about gun sales. “Get them before they’re banned! The Government is coming for your guns, leaving you defenseless as the Brown Hordes of MS13 pour over the border to behead you and rape your wives and daughters, assuming the rioting black men don’t get to you first!!”

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Kragar  May 22, 2018 • 1:42:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:42:31pm

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

Their religious beliefs ARE bigotry, and they didn’t just want to be left alone to be bigots in the privacy of their homes. They believe the force of Government should be used to enforce their bigotry.

Their ‘pride in America’ IS ‘White Pride’, hence their embrace of Birtherism, ‘All Lives Matter’, and ‘Just comply with police and you’ll be okay’.

The country they loved IS flawed, and they oppose any attempt to fix it.

The problem I have with Salena Zito and all the ‘We have to understand them’ folks is that WE DO UNDERSTAND THEM. Sure, they feel like they’re losing control - they should not have had that control in the first place! We’re supposed to accomodate their FEELINGS at the expense of everyone else’s RIGHTS!

Fuck that noise.

Yup. No different when the same sorts of Christians argued for keeping Jim Crow.

OFFICIAL Preacher Phil Snider gives interesting gay rights speech

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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 1:42:39pm

re: #111 Citizen K

Really hope Adam ends up wrong about this, otherwise nothing truly matters, and the country really just hates Dems and minorities more than it likes anything else.

Just have to keep fighting and working. Those polls don’t explain how Beto is so close to Cruz and is outraising him like it is. We’re also not quite in election season. It’ just going to take a lot of work.

I can remember presidential elections, and we’re in that phase where polls tend to tighten before they separate the closer you get to election day. Someone would have to go see if the same thing happened in non-presidential wave years.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:42:56pm

re: #118 ipsos

Thanks, HW.

I’ve gotta scrape together sixty bucks so I can subscribe properly here… this place and the people who populate it is such a gem of sanity and goodwill in a world gone mad.

I try really hard not to engage in political FB because it never ends very well - but the “animals” thing gets me so righteously angry. My wife’s family lost people in the Holocaust, and I grew up as an American Jew in the 70s learning that we had to do everything in our power to make sure “never again” was a reality. And now to see the slippery slope extending ahead of us…. it makes you want to scream.

I know. I hear ya about the animals comment. I’m not Jewish but my family is Slavic maternally and we too were subject to the Nazi propaganda of dehumanizing. And you are so right about the slope. And then you have SHS trying to claim it’s because we “like” MS-13 more than we do Trump. No, it’s because even the worst criminals are humans. Denying them humanity is a cowardly way to approach it that does nothing to prevent crime.

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Charles Johnson  May 22, 2018 • 1:43:29pm

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:44:32pm

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. No different when the same sorts of Christians argued for keeping Jim Crow.

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Yep. A lot of Christian conservatives I know got mad when Justice Kennedy correctly cited Loving in why he ruled in favor of SSM but he was right. If you want to believe gay marriage is unholy fine, I think you’re wrong but arguing that the Bible says it so therefore it must be secular law is crap. And these people show time and time again that their opposition to Shariah Law isn’t that it’s a reliigious law, it’s that it’s the “wrong” one.

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Charles Johnson  May 22, 2018 • 1:45:50pm
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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 1:46:23pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

I know. I hear ya about the animals comment. I’m not Jewish but my family is Slavic maternally and we too were subject to the Nazi propaganda of dehumanizing. And you are so right about the slope. And then you have SHS trying to claim it’s because we “like” MS-13 more than we do Trump. No, it’s because even the worst criminals are humans. Denying them humanity is a cowardly way to approach it that does nothing to prevent crime.

I have to admit, I don’t get the MS-13 thing (aside from that it’s being pushed HARD by Fox). One of the trolls on the thread told me I wanted my daughter to get raped by someone from MS-13. You’d think, from the way they talk about it, that our streets are being overrun by (SCARY BROWN) gang members.

It’s a gang. They’re criminals. We have law enforcement, and I trust our law enforcement professionals to get a grip on this particular set of criminals. I’m not going to set my hair on fire about this particular subset of crime just because the White House is calling them names. How in everliving fuck does that help ANYTHING?

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 1:46:44pm

Just pulled all this stuff off Mrs dm

Discharge papers in the works

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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 1:47:18pm

re: #128 dangerman

Just pulled all this stuff off Mrs dm

Discharge papers in the works

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Huzzah! Please give her a big smooch from Lizardland for all of us.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:47:37pm

re: #111 Citizen K

Former Ted Cruz campaign worker, who shared a poll without identifying the poll and clipped off part of the graph.

FiveThirtyEight does not show that in their polls, but in reality all elections are a fight, regardless of the polling.

fivethirtyeight.com

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 1:47:46pm

I’ve seen many times requests to ignore certain people and hopefully they go away.

One great example was right here at LGF with Chuck C. Johnson. And it did prove to be a good thing to not ignore him.

In the case of Dana Loesch I wonder if it would drive her nuts if she couldn’t see anyone react to her tweets with retweets mocking her, etc.

Of all wingnuts, she seems to really get her jollies being seen as the NRA person that pisses off the liberals. She probably lives for it.

It wouldn’t have to be an ignore Dana thing as much as a don’t respond back. Talk about what she is saying as far as the facts, just don’t talk about Dana getting under anyone’s skin. Take away the reactions and I have a feeling she will be disappointed she isn’t shocking anyone anymore. It at least cuts her being able to talk about lib reactions.

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The Major  May 22, 2018 • 1:48:01pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

And these people show time and time again that their opposition to Shariah Law isn’t that it’s a reliigious law, it’s that it’s the “wrong” one.

John Cole over at Balloon Juice basically says The difference between Fundamentalist Islam and Fundamentalist Christianity is the Crescent Moon vs. the Cross as your standard.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:48:49pm

re: #127 ipsos

I have to admit, I don’t get the MS-13 thing (aside from that it’s being pushed HARD by Fox). One of the trolls on the thread told me I wanted my daughter to get raped by someone from MS-13. You’d think, from the way they talk about it, that our streets are being overrun by (SCARY BROWN) gang members.

It’s a gang. They’re criminals. We have law enforcement, and I trust our law enforcement professionals to get a grip on this particular set of criminals. I’m not going to set my hair on fire about this particular subset of crime just because the White House is calling them names. How in everliving fuck does that help ANYTHING?

You know what pisses me off about the MS-13 thing? It’s that it’s obviously the Trump and right’s way of scapegoating Latinos. I’m pretty familiar with MS-13. I grew up in a town with a sizable El Salvadoran population. In fact, the only murder in my time there that I remember was committed by a MS-13 member. However, like you I trust our LEO and unlike what the people in that thread did, I don’t hold all El Salvadroans to blame for it. They just don’t get how dehumanizing rhetoric is dangerous. I don’t care if they are gang members. When you deprive someone of their shared humanity, you ignore what actual evil is.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:49:20pm

re: #132 The Major

John Cole over at Balloon Juice basically says The difference between Fundamentalist Islam and Fundamentalist Christianity is the Crescent Moon vs. the Cross as your standard.

John would be correct on that.

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freetoken  May 22, 2018 • 1:50:31pm

re: #111 Citizen K

We should be concerned about what is clearly evident: that Americans like all people just adapt to their environment.

What I find troubling is how easily people adapt to incremental xenophobic nationalism.

We should also not be dependent upon news outlets which are run by conglomerations who directly and indirectly benefit from Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:50:32pm

re: #127 ipsos

I have to admit, I don’t get the MS-13 thing (aside from that it’s being pushed HARD by Fox). One of the trolls on the thread told me I wanted my daughter to get raped by someone from MS-13. You’d think, from the way they talk about it, that our streets are being overrun by (SCARY BROWN) gang members.

It’s a gang. They’re criminals. We have law enforcement, and I trust our law enforcement professionals to get a grip on this particular set of criminals. I’m not going to set my hair on fire about this particular subset of crime just because the White House is calling them names. How in everliving fuck does that help ANYTHING?

MS-13 is a dog whistle for “immigrant” or “Hispanic.” That’s all there is to it.

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plansbandc  May 22, 2018 • 1:50:32pm

A perfectly preserved dinosaur tail was found in a piece of amber!

bbc.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:50:44pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

You know what pisses me off about the MS-13 thing? It’s that it’s obviously the Trump and right’s way of scapegoating Latinos. I’m pretty familiar with MS-13. I grew up in a town with a sizable El Salvadoran population. In fact, the only murder in my time there that I remember was committed by a MS-13 member. However, like you I trust our LEO and unlike what the people in that thread did, I don’t hold all El Salvadroans to blame for it. They just don’t get how dehumanizing rhetoric is dangerous. I don’t care if they are gang members. When you deprive someone of their shared humanity, you ignore what actual evil is.

“We need to profile (Muslims/blacks/Mexicans) because any one of them might be a (terrorist/thug/MS13 member).”

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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 1:51:08pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

They just don’t get how dehumanizing rhetoric is dangerous. I don’t care if they are gang members. When you deprive someone of their shared humanity, you ignore what actual evil is.

It’s textbook creation of “The Other.” And it seems to be working, all too well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:51:08pm

re: #137 plansbandc

A perfectly preserved dinosaur tail was found in a piece of amber!

bbc.com

We’re boned.
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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:53:03pm

re: #139 ipsos

It’s textbook creation of “The Other.” And it seems to be working, all too well.

It’s why those two poor women got detained by ICE for speaking Spanish in Montana. It’s why that lawyer was nasty to those employees. My niece speaks some Spanish. I don’t want her to be afraid of speaking it with her grandparents or mom or aunts.

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The Major  May 22, 2018 • 1:53:23pm

re: #131 ObserverArt

Of all wingnuts, she seems to really get her jollies being seen as the NRA person that pisses off the liberals. She probably lives for it.

Mocking is a most excellent attack vector for Twitter. Problem is that Dana MorGhuns is probably immune to that unless you came up with something really devastating.

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 1:53:25pm

re: #129 ipsos

Huzzah! Please give her a big smooch from Lizardland for all of us.

Twist my arm…..

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Skip Intro  May 22, 2018 • 1:53:55pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

The NFL may impose a 15 yard penalty for kneeling during the national anthem. WTF.

Is that per knee?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 1:54:52pm

Seriously. Touting your IQ score to an employer will convince them you’re a preening dick.

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Citizen K  May 22, 2018 • 1:55:24pm

re: #127 ipsos

I have to admit, I don’t get the MS-13 thing (aside from that it’s being pushed HARD by Fox). One of the trolls on the thread told me I wanted my daughter to get raped by someone from MS-13. You’d think, from the way they talk about it, that our streets are being overrun by (SCARY BROWN) gang members.

It’s a gang. They’re criminals. We have law enforcement, and I trust our law enforcement professionals to get a grip on this particular set of criminals. I’m not going to set my hair on fire about this particular subset of crime just because the White House is calling them names. How in everliving fuck does that help ANYTHING?

The problem is that, give them an inch here, and they’ll take a mile by insinuating or outright accusing their targets of being part of that gang, thus being ‘animals’, thus being unworthy of respect or rights. There was already a case of ICE detaining someone, and arguing that he was gang-affiliated despite all protests that he wasn’t. The judge through the case out, but Trump’s words will only make ICE even more emboldened to try that shit out. It’s dehumanizing language clearly meant to make it easy to turn anyone into an undesirable when they choose.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:56:10pm

re: #144 Skip Intro

Is that per knee?

I think it would just be one but damn. Really frustrating that the owners are caving to right wing whining on this.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:56:29pm

re: #132 The Major

John Cole over at Balloon Juice basically says The difference between Fundamentalist Islam and Fundamentalist Christianity is the Crescent Moon vs. the Cross as your standard.

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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 1:57:32pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

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Seriously. Touting your IQ score to an employer will convince them you’re a preening dick.

Which is why Chuck C. Johnson has a high-paying job with a prestigious employer, right?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 1:57:57pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

The NFL may impose a 15 yard penalty for kneeling during the national anthem. WTF.

How would they do that? The game is not under way at that point.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 1:58:44pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

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Seriously. Touting your IQ score to an employer will convince them you’re a preening dick.

Gosh who do I hire, the guy who actually worked for a degree or the dickbag who’s convinced that his “superior” IQ makes him better. Stefan is another one of those faux right wing intellectuals out there who is a stupid man’s idea of a smart person. There’s too many of these jackasses out there.

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majii  May 22, 2018 • 1:58:57pm

re: #127 ipsos “It’s a gang. They’re criminals. We have law enforcement, and I trust our law enforcement professionals to get a grip on this particular set of criminals. I’m not going to set my hair on fire about this particular subset of crime just because the White House is calling them names. How in everliving fuck does that help ANYTHING?”

They can get all worked up about MS-13 members and be persuaded by the Yam to believe they are a 24/7/365 threat to their lives, but they think nothing can be done about white guys that commit mass murders regularly. This is an intentional mindset because they know the mass shootings are a danger but because those committing them look like most of them, they feel free to ignore that. They’re preserving a status quo in which some Americans are still considered to be good people even though they’re mass murderers. I’ve noticed that no one on the right is commenting about the white supremacist convictions related to the Unite The Right rally not even the Yam. He’s deliberately ignoring the convictions because to acknowledge them, he’d have to admit that he was wrong, and they’re not mighty fine people. If those being convicted were MS-13 members, he’d be tweeting his fool head off.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 1:59:09pm

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹

How would they do that? The game is not under way at that point.

You can garner a penalty anytime during the 60 minutes before game time. Applies on the opening kickoff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 1:59:45pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

I think it would just be one but damn. Really frustrating that the owners are caving to right wing whining on this.

if both teams have players that kneel, the penalties would cancel out, yes?

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 1:59:55pm

re: #122 Belafon

Just have to keep fighting and working. Those polls don’t explain how Beto is so close to Cruz and is outraising him like it is. We’re also not quite in election season. It’ just going to take a lot of work.

I can remember presidential elections, and we’re in that phase where polls tend to tighten before they separate the closer you get to election day. Someone would have to go see if the same thing happened in non-presidential wave years.

I sometimes wonder about how those polls are given.

After 2016 I am real unsure of political polls in general. The fact that so many people gain with horse race narratives concerns me. Our media showed a strange bent on political coverage in 2016 that leaves me cold. How they portray things has a direct influence on those polls.

So what is driving the polls? Is it real feelings about the subject or hearing about the polls and jumping on?

Strange times to trust anything. And it’s sad.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:00:05pm

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹

How would they do that? The game is not under way at that point.

I don’t know either. And furthermore, what happens if both teams have players kneel? The owners should stop caving to a bunch of butthurt right wing crybabies. It’s a football game. TBH, I don’t even think we need to have the national anthem played before a sports game.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:00:31pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

if both teams have players that kneel, the penalties would cancel out, yes?

Yes; penalties should offset.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:00:59pm

re: #153 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

You can garner a penalty anytime during the 60 minutes before game time. Applies on the opening kickoff.

Right, but it’s not unsportsman like conduct i.e. taunting an opposing player or official before kickoff. I’ll defer to you here though man since you’re more familiar than I am.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 2:01:15pm

re: #153 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

You can garner a penalty anytime during the 60 minutes before game time. Applies on the opening kickoff.

Well, to be honest, I really don’t understand how the puck drop at the fifty yard line can get you a base on balls … I’m not much of a sports person.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:01:28pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

if both teams have players that kneel, the penalties would cancel out, yes?

Yeah they would offset which I think would happen often.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:01:56pm

re: #160 Anymouse 🌹

Well, to be honest, I really don’t understand how the puck drop at the fifty yard line can get you a base on balls … I’m not much of a sports person.

You just need to work on your free throws :).

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The Major  May 22, 2018 • 2:03:22pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

You just need to work on your free throws :).

Your comment went out of bounds - corner kick….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:03:55pm

polls close in most of Kentucky in an hour (a portion of western Kentucky is in the Central time zone, so close an hour later).

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:04:33pm

All penalties that would be called prior to the game are Unsportsmanlike penalties(even if it is not taunting) by the rule-book. In Football, these are usually garnered by intentionally crossing into the opposing teams side during pregame warm-ups repeatedly. If the home fans run out with the team and bump into the opposing team or officials(seen this happen a few times) it can also cause a penalty. In High School basketball, if a player dunks during the last 20 minutes of warm up before a game it is a technical foul.

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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 2:04:34pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

if both teams have players that kneel, the penalties would cancel out, yes?

Or they could penalize each size on their first kick-off.

Then the players on each team could agree to let each score on their opening drive to offset those penalties (I wouldn’t trust Belichick with that, though).

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:04:57pm

re: #163 The Major

Your comment went out of bounds - corner kick….

I know, I need to work on my serve so I can get a knock out.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:05:51pm

re: #165 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

All penalties that would be called prior to the game are Unsportsmanlike penalties(even if it is not taunting) by the rule-book. In Football, these are usually garnered by intentionally crossing into the opposing teams side during pregame warm-ups repeatedly. If the home fans run out with the team and bump into the opposing team or officials(seen this happen a few times) it can also cause a penalty. In High School basketball, if a player dunks during the last 20 minutes of warm up before a game it is a technical foul.

One of our guys in house league had a technical called him because he was dunking during a warm up. Kind of pissed me off.

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sagehen  May 22, 2018 • 2:07:34pm

re: #132 The Major

John Cole over at Balloon Juice basically says The difference between Fundamentalist Islam and Fundamentalist Christianity is the Crescent Moon vs. the Cross as your standard.

The difference is beards.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2018 • 2:08:04pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

“Explain the Difference”

Cleavage.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 2:08:06pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

I don’t know either. And furthermore, what happens if both teams have players kneel? The owners should stop caving to a bunch of butthurt right wing crybabies. It’s a football game. TBH, I don’t even think we need to have the national anthem played before a sports game.

Football players used to sit in the locker room until after the anthem concluded.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:09:30pm

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹

Football players used to sit in the locker room until after the anthem concluded.

I know. That’s exactly why the whole outrage was absurd. Now baseball players have always traditionally stood whether in the diamond or in the bullpen warming up. Honestly, I don’t need patriotism with sports. I’m going to a game to enjoy a recreational event.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:09:38pm

Not all players took a knee during the National Anthem in protest. Will a player that raises a fist eventually be penalized? Will a player who does not “appropriately” stand during the anthem be penalized? Hand over heart? Military Salute? Where do we go?

Plus, having the teams out for the Anthem is still a relatively new concept in the NFL. Through HS and College Football, my team was only on the field for the National Anthem once in 8 years, and that was the first game we played after 9/11. With my team currently, we are in the locker room when the Anthem plays for our home games. We are only in place to be close to the field for the Anthem on road games with little to no locker room space.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:09:45pm
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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:09:54pm

re: #170 sagehen

The difference is beards.

Well most of the time anyhow.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:10:42pm

re: #175 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Not all players took a knee during the National Anthem in protest. Will a player that raises a fist eventually be penalized? Will a player who does not “appropriately” stand during the anthem be penalized? Hand over heart? Military Salute? Where do we go?

Plus, having the teams out for the Anthem is still a relatively new concept in the NFL. Through HS and College Football, my team was only on the field for the National Anthem once in 8 years, and that was the first game we played after 9/11. With my team currently, we are in the locker room when the Anthem plays for our home games. We are only in place to be close to the field for the Anthem on road games with little to no locker room space.

Yeah it just seems so knee jerk to me.

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William Lewis  May 22, 2018 • 2:10:46pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

The NFL may impose a 15 yard penalty for kneeling during the national anthem. WTF.

So the NFL becomes the sport of racists and thugs? I’m glad that Vince Lombardi - who worked hard for racial equality, fought homophobia & helped the Native Americans of Green Bay is long dead so he doesn’t have to see this kowtowing to hate and injustice.

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The Major  May 22, 2018 • 2:12:33pm

re: #170 sagehen

The difference is beards.

Not if you throw in Greek Orthodox like that eejet Rod Dreher….

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:13:05pm

re: #179 William Lewis

So the NFL becomes the sport of racists and thugs? I’m glad that Vince Lombardi - who worked hard for racial equality, fought homophobia & helped the Native Americans of Green Bay is long dead so he doesn’t have to see this kowtowing to hate and injustice.

You know, I’m a lifelong Steelers fan but Lombardi was awesome. He and my grandfather was born the same week and very similar men. Both heavily influenced by their Catholic faith to have an eye out for the little guy. Big Dad hated racism, homophobia, and treating the less well off like crap too. Lombardi’s views on gays are exactly why I wasn’t ready to hear the excuses when Michael Sam came out.

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majii  May 22, 2018 • 2:13:08pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior “It’s why those two poor women got detained by ICE for speaking Spanish in Montana. It’s why that lawyer was nasty to those employees. My niece speaks some Spanish. I don’t want her to be afraid of speaking it with her grandparents or mom or aunts.”

Aaron Schlossberg is apologizing and saying he’s not a racist because the heat is on. I’m not accepting his apology because if he wasn’t a racist and/or a bigot, it would have never popped into his mind to say the things he said to those employees and to threaten to call ICE on them. He did the things he did because he could, and he has a sense of entitlement that leads him to believe he has the right to mistreat others and get away with it because he thinks he’s better than those he targets. His web ad for his law practice emphasizes he will accept Spanish-speaking clients, but his behavior in that restaurant tells me he doesn’t necessarily respect them even though he’ll take their money. He should not be able to issue a public apology that is based on lies and walk away unscathed. There’s evidence that he’s been an *sshole for quite a while now, so he can keep his apology as far as I’m concerned. His apology is meant to serve the public purposes of saving face and maybe, his business, but inside his mind, he still has the same hateful thoughts and opinions about some of his fellow citizens. I’ve dealt with his kind many times, and few of them ever change. Not really.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:13:31pm

re: #180 The Major

Not if you throw in Greek Orthodox like that eejet Rod Dreher….

Russian Orthodox too.

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danarchy  May 22, 2018 • 2:13:50pm

re: #90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The English word is “stabbings”. There’s no such word as “knifings”, so if you Google for it, you won’t find anything, thus proving her point. There’s no depth of dishonesty they won’t sink to.

Actually if you google for it you get lots of results, mostly from newspaper headlines. I’ve always considered knifing to be a more general term that encapsulates stabbing, slashing, and hacking.

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 2:14:12pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I know. That’s exactly why the whole outrage was absurd. Now baseball players have always traditionally stood whether in the diamond or in the bullpen warming up. Honestly, I don’t need patriotism with sports. I’m going to a game to enjoy a recreational event.

Wingnuts absorb Fox News all day long. They can get by the length of a sporting event without having politics bothering them. Might do them some damn good.

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plansbandc  May 22, 2018 • 2:14:24pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I think it’s ridiculous to play the National Anthem before every sporting event.

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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 2:14:54pm

de Blasio has ordered the police to stop arresting people in NYC for public marijuana use. Instead, he’s telling them to issue summons.

We’ve get two conflicting directions going on right now in this country, plenty of liberalism happening with conservatism. We all have to keep fighting for what we want.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:15:16pm
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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 2:15:52pm

re: #179 William Lewis

So the NFL becomes the sport of racists and thugs? I’m glad that Vince Lombardi - who worked hard for racial equality, fought homophobia & helped the Native Americans of Green Bay is long dead so he doesn’t have to see this kowtowing to hate and injustice.

If Vince was still around, he’d probably kick Roger Goodell’s ass and make him cry.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:16:11pm

re: #186 plansbandc

I think it’s ridiculous to play the National Anthem before every sporting event.

I very much agree with that. I don’t mind it but I don’t like shaming people who don’t do what the group mentality wants and I am further ignored that the people who hate Kaep for kneeling ignore that he got the idea from a former Green Beret. But none of them wanted to listen to Nate Boyer. They just wanted to cry that Kaep hated our country and they were egged on by Trump who actually does show disdain for our country.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:16:39pm

re: #187 Belafon

de Blasio has ordered the police to stop arresting people in NYC for public marijuana use. Instead, he’s telling them to issue summons.

We’ve get two conflicting directions going on right now in this country, plenty of liberalism happening with conservatism. We all have to keep fighting for what we want.

That’s the real battle here.

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gwangung  May 22, 2018 • 2:17:29pm

re: #145 Blind Frog Belly White

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Seriously. Touting your IQ score to an employer will convince them you’re a preening dick.

I deal with a lot of successful people who are donors to my non-profit. None of them are hung up over IQ scores, particularly for teens. And arts degree holder evoke interest, not disdain, from them.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:18:01pm

This is where the legalities of NFL contracts put the power in the hands of the League and the Owners. NFL contracts are barely worth the paper that they are printed on. The money that players get paid in their deals doesn’t exist until a check is cashed(There are bonus and incentive checks that get paid on certain days of the year, but their salary is paid in 16 paychecks- for each of the 16 regular season games. If a mid-level player is inactive, and not playing in the game- they will not get paid). Baseball and Basketball players get paid every dollar in a contract guaranteed(outside of specific voids). A NFL player can be cut for any reason, without warning, and the contract money is not guaranteed. How many players would risk this?

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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 2:18:14pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

That’s the real battle here.

Yep. As pointed out, it disproportionately affects blacks. It’s time to stop that.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:18:33pm

re: #192 gwangung

I deal with a lot of successful people who are donors to my non-profit. None of them are hung up over IQ scores, particularly for teens. And arts degree holder evoke interest, not disdain, from them.

That’s how my history background was viewed too. I wasn’t treated like some slacker.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:20:36pm

re: #194 Belafon

Yep. As pointed out, it disproportionately affects blacks. It’s time to stop that.

It definitely does. But I was also thinking about the two countries we have, we have the more liberal side that has embraced modernity. We eat from taco trucks, we celebrate a SSM union the same way we would any other wedding, etc but then we have the right. It’s somewhat geographical but it’s also a mindset thing too. Trump is far more “urban” than I am. I’ve never lived in a city before but he’s the clown prince of the latter movement who is threatened by change.

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Patricia Kayden  May 22, 2018 • 2:20:41pm

re: #89 Kragar

“Mass stabbings” are not a thing in the U.S. Dana is just being stupid and trying to deflect the discussion on gun control.

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 2:21:08pm

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹

Football players used to sit in the locker room until after the anthem concluded.

believe football didn’t used to play the anthem at all

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Skip Intro  May 22, 2018 • 2:22:45pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

if both teams have players that kneel, the penalties would cancel out, yes?

That wouldn’t be satisfactory. I think the fair way to resolve that is to give all the penalties to the team with the most black players.

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 2:22:59pm

re: #193 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

This is where the legalities of NFL contracts put the power in the hands of the League and the Owners. NFL contracts are barely worth the paper that they are printed on. The money that players get paid in their deals doesn’t exist until a check is cashed(There are bonus and incentive checks that get paid on certain days of the year, but their salary is paid in 16 paychecks- for each of the 16 regular season games. If a mid-level player is inactive, and not playing in the game- they will not get paid). Baseball and Basketball players get paid every dollar in a contract guaranteed(outside of specific voids). A NFL player can be cut for any reason, without warning, and the contract money is not guaranteed. How many players would risk this?

I get the feeling their is so much heat on this issue because all the players look at those other sports and wonder what the hell they can do to get that in the NFL.

Tons of discussions going on all the time about the next union contract negotiations and guaranteed contracts. Add in the dangers in the game and the player’s union should be in a decent position to get change. If they hang tough and have good leadership.

I don’t think the NFL can take another player’s strike and replacement season. That would really cost them.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:23:09pm

re: #198 dangerman

believe football didn’t used to play the anthem at all

It always has IIRC but the athletes on the field is new as in something that actually started in the Obama years I believe.

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Skip Intro  May 22, 2018 • 2:24:27pm

re: #198 dangerman

believe football didn’t used to play the anthem at all

It didn’t. Baseball started it, WWII made it “patriotic”, then some NFL owner decided to force it on his team. The rest is history.

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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 2:24:29pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

It definitely does. But I was also thinking about the two countries we have, we have the more liberal side that has embraced modernity. We eat from taco trucks, we celebrate a SSM union the same way we would any other wedding, etc but then we have the right. It’s somewhat geographical but it’s also a mindset thing too. Trump is far more “urban” than I am. I’ve never lived in a city before but he’s the clown prince of the latter movement who is threatened by change.

And the people who knew him best and had been exposed to his antics the longest in those urban areas were the ones who rejected his candidacy most soundly.

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Eventual Carrion  May 22, 2018 • 2:25:09pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

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a “joke”…

Those people should “stand their ground” against him then?

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 2:26:13pm

re: #186 plansbandc

I think it’s ridiculous to play the National Anthem before every sporting event.

it’s so we don’t forget what country we’re in
(ok some of us)

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Skip Intro  May 22, 2018 • 2:28:21pm

re: #205 dangerman

it’s so we don’t forget what country we’re in
(ok some of us)

Does it happen at kid’s sports too? Little league? T-ball?

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dangerman  May 22, 2018 • 2:28:39pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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EPA calls off ban on reporters after ***massive public outcry***

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:28:58pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

I get the feeling their is so much heat on this issue because all the players look at those other sports and wonder what the hell they can do to get that in the NFL.

Tons of discussions going on all the time about the next union contract negotiations and guaranteed contracts. Add in the dangers in the game and the player’s union should be in a decent position to get change. If they hang tough and have good leadership.

I don’t think the NFL can take another player’s strike and replacement season. That would really cost them.

If only this was all true. The leadership of the union, IMO, is weak.

The other thing, is that this is a sport-relative to basketball- that has a much higher percentage of American White Males. Not to say that race is a part of the issue, but with the where and how football is taught to the American White Male- lends to a more conservative view of business, Unions, and politics.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 2:29:56pm

It would appear that RNC finance guy Elliot Broidy is in a lot more trouble than paying off a Playboy model for an abortion.

Five Dollar Feminist over at Wonkette explains how his private mercenary firm (yes he has one too) was entangled with the UAE and Saudi Arabia to influence the USA to impose sanctions on Qatari individuals through Steve Mnuchin.

Wait, What With The Broidy Guy And Qatar And Huh? We’ll Splain You Easy

He is alleged to have received half a billion Ameros to attempt to influence the US Government (Mnuchin in particular) and provide mercenaries.

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danarchy  May 22, 2018 • 2:30:20pm

re: #206 Skip Intro

Does it happen at kid’s sports too? Little league? T-ball?

When I played little league back in the 80s they always played the national anthem before our games. Don’t know if that was typical or not though.

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makeitstop  May 22, 2018 • 2:30:48pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

EPA calls off ban on reporters after massive public outcry

And they were afraid of one reporter giving them negative coverage.

I’m starting to believe that you have to take an intelligence test and fail to get a job in this administration.

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 2:31:19pm

re: #208 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

If only this was all true. The leadership of the union, IMO, is weak.

The other thing, is that this is a sport-relative to basketball- that has a much higher percentage of American White Males. Not to say that race is a part of the issue, but with the where and how football is taught to the American White Male- lends to a more conservative view of business, Unions, and politics.

I agree, it is why I put in the words about leadership. They have had problems.

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jaunte  May 22, 2018 • 2:31:22pm

re: #212 makeitstop

They put their IQ scores right there on the resume.

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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 2:31:50pm

re: #207 dangerman

EPA calls off ban on reporters after ***massive public outcry***

They want us to become fatigued and stop fighting the deluge from Bullshit Mountain.

I don’t intend to give them that satisfaction.

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majii  May 22, 2018 • 2:35:05pm

re: #215 ipsos “They want us to become fatigued and stop fighting the deluge from Bullshit Mountain. I don’t intend to give them that satisfaction.”

Neither do I. What Pruitt wanted were stenographers not reporters.

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Jay C  May 22, 2018 • 2:35:14pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Yep. A lot of Christian conservatives I know got mad when Justice Kennedy correctly cited Loving in why he ruled in favor of SSM but he was right. If you want to believe gay marriage is unholy fine, I think you’re wrong but arguing that the Bible says it so therefore it must be secular law is crap. And these people show time and time again that their opposition to Shariah Law isn’t that it’s a religious law, it’s that it’s the “wrong” one.

There’s the core of the problem: whether that statement is “bug” or “feature” is the driver of altogether too much of today’s “secular vs. religious” debate. Of course, a lot of the “religious” folks didn’t care much about the “secular law” until it started impinging on their (usually sex-based) prejudices.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 2:36:18pm

re: #212 makeitstop

And they were afraid of one reporter giving them negative coverage.

I’m starting to believe that you have to take an intelligence test and fail to get a job in this administration.

“I’m sorry sir, our IQ tests measure standard deviations, not standard deviants.”

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:36:42pm

re: #203 ipsos

And the people who knew him best and had been exposed to his antics the longest in those urban areas were the ones who rejected his candidacy most soundly.

And the people who knew him least embraced him the most.

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ipsos  May 22, 2018 • 2:39:34pm

Email inbox line from Wired magazine, as it really appeared:

“A new look inside Theranos’ dysfunctional corporate culture”

Email inbox line from Wired magazine, as I read it after a month with Marvel-obsessed teenagers:

“A new look inside Thanos’ dysfunctional corporate culture”

I’d rather have read the second article, actually…

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plansbandc  May 22, 2018 • 2:41:17pm

re: #206 Skip Intro

They played it before my JV basketball games when I was a kid.

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gocart mozart  May 22, 2018 • 2:42:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:45:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 22, 2018 • 2:45:30pm
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MsJ  May 22, 2018 • 2:46:22pm

I see the fuckers passed the bill to rollback banking regulations after the last meltdown.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:46:56pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

polls close in most of Kentucky in an hour (a portion of western Kentucky is in the Central time zone, so close an hour later).

Interested to see how the results shake down here in the 6th District Democratic Primary for the Congressional seat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 2:47:26pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

And the people who knew him least embraced him the most.

But they recognized him as One Of Their Own, in all the ways that matter to them.

Hates black people without consciously registering that he hates black people? Check.

Hates Muslims? Check.

Hates Latinos but convinces himself it’s only ‘illegals’ he hates - but rails against Latin American culture in the US? Check.

Believes insane conspiracy theories even when thoroughly debunked? Check.

Seething with resentment for not being respected by people he claims not to care about? Check.

He checks all their boxes. Being hated in NYC is actually a positive for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:47:55pm

re: #226 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Interested to see how the results shake down here in the 6th District Democratic Primary for the Congressional seat.

I’m interested in 4th District results

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 2:48:14pm

re: #225 MsJ

I see the fuckers passed the bill to rollback banking regulations after the last meltdown.

Right after banks reported record quarterly profits.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:48:27pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m interested in 4th District results

Any chance Massie can be defeated in Nov?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:48:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:49:37pm

re: #230 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Any chance Massie can be defeated in Nov?

Depends on who the Dems chose today (I’m hoping for Patti Piatt).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:50:35pm
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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:50:53pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

But they recognized him as One Of Their Own, in all the ways that matter to them.

Hates black people without consciously registering that he hates black people? Check.

Hates Muslims? Check.

Hates Latinos but convinces himself it’s only ‘illegals’ he hates - but rails against Latin American culture in the US? Check.

Believes insane conspiracy theories even when thoroughly debunked? Check.

Seething with resentment for not being respected by people he claims not to care about? Check.

He checks all their boxes. Being hated in NYC is actually a positive for them.

Oh absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:51:34pm

I will say this though about Trump. He changed everything I thought about right wing voters. Like they’re even more gullible than I thought they were.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:51:38pm
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plansbandc  May 22, 2018 • 2:52:23pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

And meaner. I knew they were mean, but…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:53:00pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 2:53:14pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I pass by that every day. It’s gone through many changes over the last couple decades. This is the most, shall we say, accepting of how the public views the place.

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MsJ  May 22, 2018 • 2:53:21pm

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

Right after banks reported record quarterly profits.

They’re doing everything they can, at all levels and across every aspect, to fuck up the dollar, to fuck up American industry, and to fuck up America.

I’d say I was gobsmacked, but I’m not.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:53:31pm

re: #237 plansbandc

And meaner. I knew they were mean, but…

I know. I thought I had seen their lowest when they booed the openly gay service member. But that guy was an adult who could take care of himself. Cheering the deportations of children OOTH.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:53:32pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

Andy Barr is going to have a tough fight, regardless of if Amy McGrath or Jim Gray wins tonight. I voted for Gray, and think he has, due to being Mayor of Lexington, good experience both in campaigning and government. I know some people outside this area claimed he was a tool of the “Establishment”, but where is an openly gay liberal man in a southern state any type of establishment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:54:13pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 2:55:26pm

re: #242 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Andy Barr is going to have a tough fight, regardless of if Amy McGrath or Jim Gray wins tonight. I voted for Gray, and think he has, due to being Mayor of Lexington, good experience both in campaigning and government. I know some people outside this area claimed he was a tool of the “Establishment”, but where is an openly gay liberal man in a southern state any type of establishment.

I was reading about both candidates. They both seem good. We have our primary in June. I’m helping out Lindsay Davis Stover. I like State Senator Wexton who most of the establishment has rallied behind but I really like Lindsay a lot as both a candidate and person. We even hosted her for a Q&A session.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 2:55:34pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

I will say this though about Trump. He changed everything I thought about right wing voters. Like they’re even more gullible than I thought they were.

The one thing that surprised me about right wing voters of the Trumpkin variety is just how numerous they were. After years of watching politics, I’d have put the maximum audience for Trump’s antics at about 20% of US electorate.

Turns out I was half right.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 22, 2018 • 2:56:07pm

re: #13 dangerman

awesome!

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 22, 2018 • 2:56:58pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

I know. I thought I had seen their lowest when they booed the openly gay service member. But that guy was an adult who could take care of himself. Cheering the deportations of children OOTH.

Can’t remember the event off the top of my head, but wasn’t there a busload of children(Texas, New Mexico?) that were on a field trip, and because many of them were of Hispanic origin, a bunch of Conservative protesters booed and surrounded their school bus?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 2:57:19pm

Brennan will be with Rachel Maddow tonight.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 22, 2018 • 3:05:49pm

Okay, Twitterati ought to report this response to the CNN tweet on Facebook for violent content apparently directed at CNN (behind the privacy bar due to gruesome nature of the photos):

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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:06:16pm

And tonight, due to or possibly despite popular demand, your Our Revolution Concession Speech Fodder of the Week!

Arkansas:
Teresa Gallegos, State Senate District 16: Special election, was unopposed in primary, in district Orange Boy carried more than 3-1.
Maureen Skinner, State Senate District 35: Unopposed in primary.

Georgia:
Stacey Abrams, Governor: Bandwagon jump, as endorsement was within the last week and appears to be unwanted.
Lisa Ring, US House District 1: Running against Barbara Seidman.
Sheikh Rahman, State Senate District 5: Running against incumbent Curt Thompson.
Shelly Hutchinson, State Assembly District 107: Running against Ken Montano.

Kentucky:
Paul Walker, US House District 1: Running a fast and furious race against Alonzo Pennington (Sorry, couldn’t help it).
Richard Becker, State House District 35: Running against two opponents.
Adrian Wallace, Louisville City Council: One of 10 candidates for three slots.

Texas:
Laura Moser, US House District 7: Running against Lizzie Fletcher.
Rick Trevino, US House District 23: Running against Gina Ortiz Jones.
Jose Vela, State Assembly District 46: Running against Sheryl Cole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 3:08:42pm

checked the article and, yep, the usual counties:

As of Tuesday afternoon, 12 reports of vote buying or bribery were reported in Breathitt, Clay, Magoffin, Perry, Wayne and Wolfe counties.

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KGxvi  May 22, 2018 • 3:08:52pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

The one thing that surprised me about right wing voters of the Trumpkin variety is just how numerous they were. After years of watching politics, I’d have put the maximum audience for Trump’s antics at about 20% of US electorate.

Turns out I was half right.

The failure of a two party system is that when there are only two “viable” options, one of them is going to get way more votes than they deserve. That’s especially true when the two major party nominees are the two least liked nominees in history.

I’m still convinced that if there would have been another viable contender for the Democratic nomination, we would have seen a replay of 2008. Clinton was, really, the perfect foil for Trump and probably the only Democrat that he could have beat in the general.

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Dave In Austin  May 22, 2018 • 3:10:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 3:11:02pm
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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:11:21pm

re: #253 KGxvi

The failure of a two party system is that when there are only two “viable” options, one of them is going to get way more votes than they deserve. That’s especially true when the two major party nominees are the two least liked nominees in history.

I’m still convinced that if there would have been another viable contender for the Democratic nomination, we would have seen a replay of 2008. Clinton was, really, the perfect foil for Trump and probably the only Democrat that he could have beat in the general.

Am seriously considering downvote for arrant and sexist nonsense.

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Skip Intro  May 22, 2018 • 3:13:18pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Great news! Thalidomide babies will be making a comeback.

Thanks, Don!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 3:13:47pm

JFC

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KGxvi  May 22, 2018 • 3:15:06pm

re: #256 Brian J.

Am seriously considering downvote for arrant and sexist nonsense.

What exactly is arrant or sexist about any of that? Seriously, I’d like to know how pointing out that Clinton had historically poor favorability among voters is sexist?

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wrenchwench  May 22, 2018 • 3:16:03pm

re: #254 Dave In Austin

[S.C. rattlesnake bite victim picked up snake, snake didn’t fall from tree, cousin says]

Never lie to your snake handler. They’ll know.

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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:17:39pm

re: #259 KGxvi

What exactly is arrant or sexist about any of that? Seriously, I’d like to know how pointing out that Clinton had historically poor favorability among voters is sexist?

The belief that anyone else would have done better except for the people who tried, and that the poor ratings weren’t largely due to media malpractice and mindless BernieBros.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 22, 2018 • 3:18:16pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Repeating myself:

Whenever we encounter his fawning mode, it’s about attaching himself to folks so that he can borrow some of their rep…and Trump always fawns over dictators that get away with arbitrary violence.
Trump is thirsty because Kim gets to do the stuff Trump wants to do, like execute people with aircraft.

…at least nowadays. He used to attach himself to the ass of that guy who ran Elite Modeling…and dated a 16 year old at 42…and had buddies who ran a pedophile ring….

Just sayin’.

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SteelPH  May 22, 2018 • 3:21:44pm

re: #261 Brian J.

The belief that anyone else would have done better except for the people who tried, and that the poor ratings weren’t largely due to media malpractice and mindless BernieBros.

How is this sexist however? At no point did KGxvi even mention gender nor exclude that a different woman could’ve done better.

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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:23:39pm

re: #263 SteelPH

How is this sexist however? At no point did KGxvi even mention gender nor exclude that a different woman could’ve done better.

Because most of the people presenting this argument are arguing that THIS woman was wrong. Of course, when you ask them about specifics, so is every woman.

And KG surely isn’t naive enough to believe that a nonsensical story couldn’t be used to cast “clouds and shadows” around whatever fantasy candidate he advocates!

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Varek Raith  May 22, 2018 • 3:24:35pm

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EPR-radar  May 22, 2018 • 3:26:48pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

The one thing that surprised me about right wing voters of the Trumpkin variety is just how numerous they were. After years of watching politics, I’d have put the maximum audience for Trump’s antics at about 20% of US electorate.

Turns out I was half right.

A democracy can’t function if too large a fraction of the electorate are deplorable Pig People. US politics may provide conclusive evidence regarding this point of no return.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 3:29:43pm

re: #261 Brian J.

The belief that anyone else would have done better except for the people who tried, and that the poor ratings weren’t largely due to media malpractice and mindless BernieBros.

You’re inferring what wasn’t implied. I disagree with KGxvi’s assessment that any othe Dem could have beaten Trump, but that doesn’t make it sexist or nonsensical.

Hillary Clinton WAS the perfect foil for Trump in that she’s everything he’s not - smart, hard-working, careful, thoughtful, female, reasonable, informed, fair minded, experienced - I could keep going. She’s everything Trumpkins hate in a woman - she’s unquestionably smarter than they are and doesn’t pretend stupidity. No doubt she reminded all of them of the smart, hardworking girl they knew in school whom they always hated because she knew the answers they didn’t and aced the tests they flunked.

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wrenchwench  May 22, 2018 • 3:30:35pm

re: #264 Brian J.

Because most of the people presenting this argument are arguing that THIS woman was wrong. Of course, when you ask them about specifics, so is every woman.

And KG surely isn’t naive enough to believe that a nonsensical story couldn’t be used to cast “clouds and shadows” around whatever fantasy candidate he advocates!

If you have a case, you haven’t argued it very well. Especially since you didn’t do this:

when you ask them about specifics, so is every woman.

And everybody is leaving out pervasive Russian influence. Made believable by the sexism of society.

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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:31:01pm

re: #267 Blind Frog Belly White

You’re inferring what wasn’t implied. I disagree with KGxvi’s assessment that any othe Dem could have beaten Trump, but that doesn’t make it sexist or nonsensical.

Hillary Clinton WAS the perfect foil for Trump in that she’s everything he’s not - smart, hard-working, careful, thoughtful, female, reasonable, informed, fair minded, experienced - I could keep going. She’s everything Trumpkins hate in a woman - she’s unquestionably smarter than they are and doesn’t pretend stupidity. No doubt she reminded all of them of the smart, hardworking girl they knew in school whom they always hated because she knew the answers they didn’t and aced the tests they flunked.

My patience with anti-Clinton arguments these days is pretty much zero; excoriating someone for being too good a candidate and too well-prepared is an argument that is made against Clinton and only Clinton out of all candidates, ever.

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EPR-radar  May 22, 2018 • 3:31:34pm

Hillary Clinton was uniquely subject to 30 years of incessant propaganda from the right wing. That’s one big reason why drawing sweeping conclusions from the 2016 election is usually unwise.

Any other Democratic presidential candidate that had been subject to that level of abuse for so long would have cracked under the pressure or, minimally, had just as much trouble as Hillary Clinton did connecting with weak-minded fools in the electorate who are swayed by Republican noise.

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jaunte  May 22, 2018 • 3:32:07pm
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KGxvi  May 22, 2018 • 3:32:13pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

Hillary Clinton was uniquely subject to 30 years of incessant propaganda from the right wing. That’s one big reason why drawing sweeping conclusions from the 2016 election is usually unwise.

Any other Democratic presidential candidate that had been subject to that level of abuse for so long would have cracked under the pressure or, minimally, had just as much trouble as Hillary Clinton did connecting with weak-minded fools in the electorate who are swayed by Republican noise.

QFT

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 3:33:37pm

re: #264 Brian J.

Because most of the people presenting this argument are arguing that THIS woman was wrong. Of course, when you ask them about specifics, so is every woman.

And KG surely isn’t naive enough to believe that a nonsensical story couldn’t be used to cast “clouds and shadows” around whatever fantasy candidate he advocates!

There are a few women out there in politics who get wingnuts’ blood boiling. Hillary Clinton; Nancy Pelosi; Maxine Waters; Elizabeth Warren. They are largely the same generation, and are smart and outspoken. Obviously, the largest part of what angers the Right is that they’re women. But why they so hate the women of that generation, I don’t know, unless it’s that it’s also mostly THEIR generation, too.

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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:33:48pm

re: #271 jaunte

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Why is Mueller continuing to play along with this nonsense? He should say, “I’ll be there at 8 AM tomorrow morning for your interview, and given all the tweets you send at that hour, don’t pretend you’ll be busy.”

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JordanRules  May 22, 2018 • 3:34:18pm
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Dave In Austin  May 22, 2018 • 3:35:39pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

Never lie to your snake handler. They’ll know.

Every.Fucking.Time.
What do you wanna bet there was a Bud Lite involved as well.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 22, 2018 • 3:35:58pm

Okay I was way behind the time curve when I posted this Page. Great comments above.

littlegreenfootballs.com

We each react to certain things differently, and it’s all too much-Foreign policy, domestic policy, immigration and climate all run on a Trump University premise. Fictional, profitable and loudly proud. Until it finally crashes out. This one really stuck in my craw.

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Skip Intro  May 22, 2018 • 3:39:08pm

re: #271 jaunte

How about if Trump writes the questions and answers, doesn’t show them to anybody, then gives himself an A+? That should be cool, right?

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JordanRules  May 22, 2018 • 3:39:51pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2018 • 3:40:50pm

re: #278 Skip Intro

How about if Trump writes the questions and answers, doesn’t show them to anybody, then gives himself an A+? That should be cool, right?

Worked for Wharton….

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 3:40:53pm

re: #269 Brian J.

My patience with anti-Clinton arguments these days is pretty much zero; excoriating someone for being too good a candidate and too well-prepared is an argument that is made against Clinton and only Clinton out of all candidates, ever.

It’s not a sexist argument to point out the sexist reaction of a large portion of the electorate. She has ALWAYS rubbed the Right the wrong way. A large part of that is her sex, because they didn’t even hate Bill as much as they hate her, and there’s arguably better reason for them to hate him. They hated her before he even won the nomination. Their hate is visceral, brainstem repulsion, which they clothe in made up scandals, but really, they invent the scandals, and believe in them, because they JUST KNOW that she’s a horrible human being and thus every bad thing they can imagine about her must be true.

Would another woman escape that? Christ, I hope so.

To my way of thinking, Hillary Clinton was a test, to see whether America was ready for an eminently qualified, smart, capable woman as President.

Apparently not. We failed. Trump is our penance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 3:42:06pm

re: #274 Brian J.

Why is Mueller continuing to play along with this nonsense? He should say, “I’ll be there at 8 AM tomorrow morning for your interview, and given all the tweets you send at that hour, don’t pretend you’ll be busy.”

I see no evidence that Mueller is “playing along” with anyone.
All of this nonsense is coming 100% from Rudy and the rest of the yam’s cabal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 3:42:17pm

re: #274 Brian J.

Why is Mueller continuing to play along with this nonsense? He should say, “I’ll be there at 8 AM tomorrow morning for your interview, and given all the tweets you send at that hour, don’t pretend you’ll be busy.”

He’s still lining up ducks.

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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:42:19pm

re: #279 JordanRules

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The woman whose investigations led to these hearings is much less optimistic:

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Unshaken Defiance  May 22, 2018 • 3:43:15pm

re: #256 Brian J.

Am seriously considering downvote for arrant and sexist nonsense.

I can understand your disagreeing with the basics of that point, but sexist? Not in the case of that commenter. I can’t see it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 3:45:22pm
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JordanRules  May 22, 2018 • 3:45:55pm

re: #284 Brian J.

The woman whose investigations led to these hearings is much less optimistic:

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I don’t think The Atlantic piece painted anything as particularly optimistic. I think the tweet you posted fits in perfectly with it.

The representatives of the many different parties present in the European legislative body asked some tough questions, but the format did not allow them to pin Zuckerberg down on specific issues. First, the legislators asked all their questions in a row. Rather than answering them one at a time, Zuckerberg answered to the “themes” of the questions after they had all been asked.

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EPR-radar  May 22, 2018 • 3:46:29pm

re: #274 Brian J.

Why is Mueller continuing to play along with this nonsense? He should say, “I’ll be there at 8 AM tomorrow morning for your interview, and given all the tweets you send at that hour, don’t pretend you’ll be busy.”

Too soft. Something like this would be a good start:

Subpoena. Donald J. Trump is to report for questioning at Suspect Interrogation Room #3 of Federal Building XYZ at 7 AM on Tuesday May 29. Failure to comply will lead to arrest.

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Jay C  May 22, 2018 • 3:47:39pm

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

There are a few women out there in politics who get wingnuts’ blood boiling. Hillary Clinton; Nancy Pelosi; Maxine Waters; Elizabeth Warren. They are largely the same generation, and are smart and outspoken. Obviously, the largest part of what angers the Right is that they’re women. But why they so hate the women of that generation, I don’t know, unless it’s that it’s also mostly THEIR generation, too.

Then again, what liberal Democratic women in politics DON’T get the wingnuts steamed up? Often the point of unhingedness? They seem perfectly OK with female politicos who toe the RW line - and the more reflexively and mindlessly the better (case in point: Sarah Palin).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 3:48:55pm
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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:49:19pm

re: #289 Jay C

Then again, what liberal Democratic women in politics DON’T get the wingnuts steamed up? Often the point of unhingedness? They seem perfectly OK with female politicos who toe the RW line - and the more reflexively and mindlessly the better (case in point: Sarah Palin).

Agreed. That list is essentially every Democratic woman of the generation born in the 1940s and 1950s.

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 3:51:10pm

re: #278 Skip Intro

How about if Trump writes the questions and answers, doesn’t show them to anybody, then gives himself an A+? That should be cool, right?

Trump speak: “I’ve heard many people are impressed with how clean I came out of that tough test, the toughest test of a President ever! And, eeeeh, I think I did alright. They tell me it was great. Got lots of hits on websites and retweets, Unbelievable response. I’m so clean. The cleanest president ever.”

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KGxvi  May 22, 2018 • 3:52:07pm

re: #288 EPR-radar

Too soft. Something like this would be a good start:

Subpoena. Donald J. Trump is to report for questioning at Suspect Interrogation Room #3 of Federal Building at 7 AM on Tuesday May 29. Failure to comply will lead to arrest.

I’m about 83.6% sure that this ends with subpoenas being issued for multiple members of the Trump family, including Donald. And I really can’t wait to see their reaction when the Supreme Court rules 9-0 that he has to show up.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 3:53:01pm

re: #291 Brian J.

Agreed. That list is essentially every Democratic woman of the generation born in the 1940s and 1950s.

*Pelosi* coughs.

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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 3:54:13pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

*Pelosi* coughs.

Born March 26, 1940.

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KGxvi  May 22, 2018 • 3:54:26pm

re: #291 Brian J.

Agreed. That list is essentially every Democratic woman of the generation born in the 1940s and 1950s.

I suspect it’s because the were the first generation of women to be professionals, both in and out of politics.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 3:55:01pm

Anyhow. I think HRC was at a disadvantage because of years of ill will against her left and right. I think that’s also why Trump won’t have it so easy in 2020. I also think Trump will be at an unique disadvantage as an incumbent. He’ll actually have to defend HIS record rather than shitting on someone else’s.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 3:55:36pm

re: #297 Brian J.

Born March 26, 1940.

I should have clarified. I was agreeing with you since she’s another example. Sorry sometimes my sense of humor gets lost through text.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 3:56:21pm

what could go wrong???

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 3:57:27pm

re: #298 KGxvi

I suspect it’s because the were the first generation of women to be professionals, both in and out of politics.

I think that’s definitely it. The thing is though the right wing base is going to be convinced to hate anyone the Dems nominate. I mean obviously sexism and racism amplified the right’s hatred of HRC and Obama but they hated Clinton, Gore, and Kerry too.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 3:57:51pm

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

what could go wrong???

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Haven’t learned a damned thing from Flint.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 3:59:00pm
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freetoken  May 22, 2018 • 3:59:01pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

The hard lesson, that many may not have learned, is that the religious-right has a long term agenda and are willing to stick with it.

The smearing of Hillary was a means to their end.

The very real problem I see with many self-styled “progressives” is that there is not much skill in long-term planning and execution, nor willingness to fight a long-term war that will continue beyond the individual.

In other words, “progressives” in 2018 are not like the Suffragettes of a century ago, who were part of a cause that had to work for decades to get to certain goals.

This is what we see with the Bernie-bots, who are hot for the season, but just stick with one response forever.

Progress, real progress, is about maneuvering around/through entrenched ways of life to bring something that is hoped to be better.

This is not done with just a single hot candidate, or with a hashtag that trends today and is forgetten tomorrow.

There is a sense, I get anyway and others may not, that the turnover needed in generations to finally move past where we are today with the rise of atavistic groups, is going to happen after I’m long gone.

I’m not being pessimistic here. It’s just that I think things actually change much slower than others may think societies change.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 3:59:07pm

As far as I know, Our Revolution hasn’t endorsed anyone in our primary yet. Good. I want Turner and company away from this district. IT’s one that can and should flip.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 4:00:04pm
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Dave In Austin  May 22, 2018 • 4:01:27pm

Pele……
She could do this for years….. I guess the flow will stabilize to some point as she dumps into the sea. I would have to think about maybe going for a peak at some point in time. That’s bucket list stuff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 4:03:43pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 4:06:00pm

re: #289 Jay C

Then again, what liberal Democratic women in politics DON’T get the wingnuts steamed up? Often the point of unhingedness? They seem perfectly OK with female politicos who toe the RW line - and the more reflexively and mindlessly the better (case in point: Sarah Palin).

There are very few, if any, successful Right Wing women politicians whom one can describe as ‘smart’. Palin, they liked because she’s brimming with resentment and they wanted to fuck her reasonably attractive, in a generic sort of way.

Even well-educated wingnut women are most attractive to them when they abandon intellect and go for emotion - think Ann Coulter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 4:07:59pm
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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 4:08:38pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Anyhow. I think HRC was at a disadvantage because of years of ill will against her left and right. I think that’s also why Trump won’t have it so easy in 2020. I also think Trump will be at an unique disadvantage as an incumbent. He’ll actually have to defend HIS record rather than shitting on someone else’s.

That Clinton Baggage™ is so ingrained it did effect people’s view of her no matter the party.

Amazing when you think both Clinton and Trump were extremely well known public characters. Both well know in the media…seen in public for years. Yet, it was the person with the bad record and real character questions that won an election over the impression of “all that baggage.”

I hate it, but messaging works and even idiot Trump knows that. His is a street corner con’s version dressed up, but he knows how to play on people enough to make him dangerous.

He heard all that Clinton baggage as he lived it. He was even seen hanging with them, said he liked them, etc. Then he used it because humans can be so easy and he was on a mission and the Clintons were now in his way.

Comin’ through! The Chaos President…how do you like me now?

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:10:23pm

re: #310 Blind Frog Belly White

There are very few, if any, successful Right Wing women politicians whom one can describe as ‘smart’. Palin, they liked because she’s brimming with resentment and they wanted to fuck her reasonably attractive, in a generic sort of way.

Even well-educated wingnut women are most attractive to them when they abandon intellect and go for emotion - think Ann Coulter.

I remember when McCain picked her. She was recently a grandmother and was of course governor, and I remember the wingnuts I knew calling her a GILF. Limbaugh called her Governor Babe. TBH, while I don’t find Palin physically unattractive, I never thought OMG SO HOT and I’ve never felt that way about any politician even ones I find more attractive than Sarah because I’m voting for someone for fuck sake. I mean yeah I lust like any other man does but the last thing on my mind when I’m considering a woman’s political arguments is how she looks.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:10:56pm

re: #312 ObserverArt

That Clinton Baggage™ is so ingrained it did effect people’s view of her no matter the party.

Amazing when you think both Clinton and Trump were both extremely well known public characters. Both well know in the media…seen in public for years. Yet, it was the person with the bad record and real character questions that won an election over the impression of “all that baggage.”

I hate it, but messaging works and even idiot Trump knows that. His is a street corner con’s version dressed up, but he knows how to play on people enough to make him dangerous.

He heard all that Clinton baggage as he lived it. He was even seen hanging with them, said he liked them, etc. Then he used it because humans can be so easy and he was on a mission and the Clintons were now in his way.

Comin’ through! The Chaos President…how do you like me now?

Totally.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:12:27pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sorry to hear that about Mrs. Bayh. Classy gesture on the McCains part. Cancer doesn’t play games politically and the McCains and Bayhs know that. Hope she gets well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 22, 2018 • 4:12:53pm
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Belafon  May 22, 2018 • 4:13:49pm

re: #253 KGxvi

The failure of a two party system is that when there are only two “viable” options, one of them is going to get way more votes than they deserve. That’s especially true when the two major party nominees are the two least liked nominees in history.

I’m still convinced that if there would have been another viable contender for the Democratic nomination, we would have seen a replay of 2008. Clinton was, really, the perfect foil for Trump and probably the only Democrat that he could have beat in the general.

It took Obama to beat Clinton the first time, and that’s because he used the system to his advantage. I doubt anyone was going to beat her the second time.

The reasons Clinton lost, we are starting to see, are interference by a hostile foreign power, 30 years of investigations by Republicans on made up stuff, misogyny, voter apathy, an economy doing well enough that liberal voters thought they could go elsewhere, and people thinking Trump couldn’t win. She did pretty much everything she could to be the most qualified candidate in the election, and one of the most qualified candidates of all time.

And she won by 3M votes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 4:14:11pm

re: #305 freetoken

The hard lesson, that many may not have learned, is that the religious-right has a long term agenda and are willing to stick with it.

The smearing of Hillary was a means to their end.

The very real problem I see with may self-styled “progressives” is that there is not much skill in long-term planning and execution, nor willingness to fight a long-term war that will continue beyond the individual.

In other words, “progressives” in 2018 are not like the Suffragettes of a century ago, who were part of a cause that had to work for decades to get to certain goals.

This is what we see with the Bernie-bots, who are hot for the season, but just stick with one response forever.

Progress, real progress, is about maneuvering around/through entrenched ways of life to bring something that is hoped to be better.

This is not done with just a single hot candidate, or with a hashtag that trends today and is forgetten tomorrow.

There is a sense, I get anyway and others may not, that the turnover needed in generations to finally move past where we are today with the rise of atavistic groups, is going to happen after I’m long gone.

I’m not being pessimistic here. It’s just that I think things actually change much slower than others may think societies change.

The Tea Party took over the GOP, and now the entire US, because no matter what else happened, they always vote, and they always vote for the Republican.

They put up slates of candidates in the Primaries. A lot lost, and some won. But in the General, they always vote, and they always vote for the Republican.

Run that cycle a few times, and you end up with them taking complete control of the GOP away from the National Review/Chamber of Commerce/Country Club Republicans. Now the GOP as a whole is as stupid as they are, but they control the White House, both Houses of Congress, a majority of the Supreme Court, an ever-increasing number of Federal judges, and far too many Governorships and legislatures.

There aren’t as many of them as there are of us, but they always vote, and they always vote for the Republican.

The Left could do something like that, too. But many on the Left are more inclined to take their dolls and dishes and go home if they don’t win the Primary. We as a group lack the determination the Right has. If we had that, we’d be unstoppable. But we’d rather have purity than victory.

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Jay C  May 22, 2018 • 4:14:17pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

I remember when McCain picked her. She was recently a grandmother and was of course governor, and I remember the wingnuts I knew calling her a GILF. Limbaugh called her Governor Babe. TBH, while I don’t find Palin physically unattractive, I never thought OMG SO HOT and I’ve never felt that way about any politician even ones I find more attractive than Sarah because I’m voting for someone for fuck sake. I mean yeah I lust like any other man does but the last thing on my mind when I’m considering a woman’s political arguments is how she looks.

Well, you’re obviously not a right-winger, then!!

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:14:48pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know maybe they are biased against Trump because Trump’s actions have given them reason to do so. Gaetz is a fucking joke. Desperately wants to join the Congressional Club of Stupid People that Steve King heads.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 4:15:20pm

re: #317 Belafon

It took Obama to beat Clinton the first time, and that’s because he used the system to his advantage. I doubt anyone was going to beat her the second time.

The reasons Clinton lost, we are starting to see, are interference by a hostile foreign power, 30 years of investigations by Republicans on made up stuff, misogyny, voter apathy, an economy doing well enough that liberal voters thought they could go elsewhere, and people thinking Trump couldn’t win. She did pretty much everything she could to be the most qualified candidate in the election, and one of the most qualified candidates of all time.

And she won by 3M votes.

No, no! It’s entirely because she didn’t go to Wisconsin!
//////////////////////////////////////////////////

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:15:28pm

re: #319 Jay C

Well, you’re obviously not a right-winger, then!!

Nah, I use my brain for good.

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wrenchwench  May 22, 2018 • 4:16:39pm

re: #317 Belafon

And she won by 3M votes.

Oh yeah.

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ObserverArt  May 22, 2018 • 4:21:01pm

re: #323 wrenchwench

Oh yeah.

The ultimate hollow victory.

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Jay C  May 22, 2018 • 4:21:29pm

re: #322 HappyWarrior

Nah, I use my brain for good.

Obviously. You spend a lot of time on LGF …. 🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠

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KGxvi  May 22, 2018 • 4:21:30pm

re: #317 Belafon

It took Obama to beat Clinton the first time, and that’s because he used the system to his advantage. I doubt anyone was going to beat her the second time.

The reasons Clinton lost, we are starting to see, are interference by a hostile foreign power, 30 years of investigations by Republicans on made up stuff, misogyny, voter apathy, an economy doing well enough that liberal voters thought they could go elsewhere, and people thinking Trump couldn’t win. She did pretty much everything she could to be the most qualified candidate in the election, and one of the most qualified candidates of all time.

And she won by 3M votes.

It’s tough to say on the first part because the Dems lost a lot of ground in the Senate and governor’s races during the Obama years, so once Biden bowed out, there wasn’t really any other viable candidates. But the fact that Bernie fucking Sanders won 23 primaries/caucuses suggests that she was vulnerable in 2016 the way that she was in 2008.

On the second point, there are obviously a lot of factors that played into the result. Some of which the Clinton campaign bears responsibility for, but much of which they do not.

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plansbandc  May 22, 2018 • 4:23:16pm
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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:23:47pm

re: #326 KGxvi

It’s tough to say on the first part because the Dems lost a lot of ground in the Senate and governor’s races during the Obama years, so once Biden bowed out, there wasn’t really any other viable candidates. But the fact that Bernie fucking Sanders won 23 primaries/caucuses suggests that she was vulnerable in 2016 the way that she was in 2008.

On the second point, there are obviously a lot of factors that played into the result. Some of which the Clinton campaign bears responsibility for, but much of which they do not.

There’s something that I’ve never seen acknowledged but a lot of the Anti-Clinton people in the right of the party voted for Sanders against her. Sanders like Trump benefited from years of resentment against her. Anyhow, HRC’s curse if you call it that is that people like her more once she’s in office than as a candidate.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:24:13pm

re: #327 plansbandc

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Trump pretends to care?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 4:24:32pm

I saw/heard someone, maybe last week, ragging on Clinton for not winning, and subjecting us to Trump. I thought, “Jesus Christ! Do voters have NO responsibility?”

But I’d heard a version of that same argument from My Idiot Brother, arguing that Nader voters didn’t give us GW Bush. No, it was really Al Gore’s fault, for being such a lousy candidate that he didn’t even win his home state. I challenged him on that and he laughed at me. Apparently, no, voters do not have any responsibility for the results of their votes.

I even caught a lot of shit within the family for ‘bullying’ him with my crazy idea that however you vote, you need to own the consequences - that if you choose to vote 3rd party then you’re saying that either of the two major party candidates is equally acceptable to you. If you vote 3rd party and the Worst Case Scenario wins, you own part of that.

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goddamnedfrank  May 22, 2018 • 4:24:58pm

re: #111 Citizen K

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Really hope Adam ends up wrong about this, otherwise nothing truly matters, and the country really just hates Dems and minorities more than it likes anything else.

It’s an online only, opt-in poll that Trump mentioned two weeks ago. It’s been flooded with right wingers ever since.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:25:54pm

re: #330 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw/heard someone, maybe last week, ragging on Clinton for not winning, and subjecting us to Trump. I thought, “Jesus Christ! Do voters have NO responsibility?”

But I’d heard a version of that same argument from My Idiot Brother, arguing that Nader voters didn’t give us GW Bush. No, it was really Al Gore’s fault, for being such a lousy candidate that he didn’t even win his home state. I challenged him on that and he laughed at me. Apparently, no, voters do not have any responsibility for the results of their votes.

I even caught a lot of shit within the family for ‘bullying’ him with my crazy idea that however you vote, you need to own the consequences - that if you choose to vote 3rd party then you’re saying that either of the two major party candidates is equally acceptable to you. If you vote 3rd party and the Worst Case Scenario wins, you own part of that.

Voters do have responsibility for their choices.

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Brian J.  May 22, 2018 • 4:27:11pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

There’s something that I’ve never seen acknowledged but a lot of the Anti-Clinton people in the right of the party voted for Sanders against her. Sanders like Trump benefited from years of resentment against her. Anyhow, HRC’s curse if you call it that is that people like her more once she’s in office than as a candidate.

And to the right of the party. Forty percent of Sanders voters in West Virginia had no intention of voting for him in the general election. That appears to have been the only state in which that question was asked, but there were likely millions of other rat fornicators in the primary inflating Bernie’s vote totals.

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wrenchwench  May 22, 2018 • 4:27:19pm

re: #326 KGxvi

It’s tough to say on the first part because the Dems lost a lot of ground in the Senate and governor’s races during the Obama years, so once Biden bowed out, there wasn’t really any other viable candidates. But the fact that Bernie fucking Sanders won 23 primaries/caucuses suggests that she was vulnerable in 2016 the way that she was in 2008.

On the second point, there are obviously a lot of factors that played into the result. Some of which the Clinton campaign bears responsibility for, but much of which they do not.

When I was a kid, wingnuts were known as ‘reactionaries’. The reactionaries came to the fore when Obama was elected. They got a new lease on life when Hillary was campaigning. I couldn’t believe the reactionaries teamed up with the Russians, but they did. Now we begin the recovery.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 4:27:22pm

re: #326 KGxvi

It’s tough to say on the first part because the Dems lost a lot of ground in the Senate and governor’s races during the Obama years, so once Biden bowed out, there wasn’t really any other viable candidates. But the fact that Bernie fucking Sanders won 23 primaries/caucuses suggests that she was vulnerable in 2016 the way that she was in 2008.

On the second point, there are obviously a lot of factors that played into the result. Some of which the Clinton campaign bears responsibility for, but much of which they do not.

There are lots of people who will tell you that Clinton was a flawed candidate. That may be true, but most of the flaws are not hers. They’re flaws of the electorate, the press, etc.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:28:11pm

I preferred HRC over Sanders for a simple reason. I thought she was a better candidate and I still think that. You think the red baiting was bad about Obama. Try the Republican noise machine against a guy who actually calls himself the S-word. But more importantly, I thought she’d be a better President. In HRC, I saw someone who knows the issues like I know baseball. Sanders before I started thinking he was a jackass was someone who I thought cared but didn’t have enough knowledge to truly tackle the problems and I definitely didn’t think he got FP.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:29:51pm

re: #333 Brian J.

And to the right of the party. Forty percent of Sanders voters in West Virginia had no intention of voting for him in the general election. That appears to have been the only state in which that question was asked, but there were likely millions of other rat fornicators in the primary inflating Bernie’s vote totals.

That is correct as well. What annoyed me about Sanders was this though. He’d rack up wins in very Republican states in the caucuses and no shame in that but then he’d try to claim that HRC winning the equally Republican states didn’t matter. The way that man totally shat on the PoC that make such a crucial part of our bloc in those states legitimatelly pissed me off.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:31:14pm

re: #335 Blind Frog Belly White

There are lots of people who will tell you that Clinton was a flawed candidate. That may be true, but most of the flaws are not hers. They’re flaws of the electorate, the press, etc.

My favorite was people complained about her voice. Motherfucker, have you ever listened to Trump, Ted Cruz, or Bernie talk? TBH her voice doesn’t annoy me.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 22, 2018 • 4:34:07pm

re: #334 wrenchwench

When I was a kid, wingnuts were known as ‘reactionaries’. The reactionaries came to the fore when Obama was elected. They got a new lease on life when Hillary was campaigning. I couldn’t believe the reactionaries teamed up with the Russians, but they did. Now we begin the recovery.

When pictures of Shirtless Putin started appearing, with favorable comment, posted by wingnuts, I really COULD NOT grasp it. How The Fuck were these guys swooning for a dictator? I really didn’t want to believe just how important punishing their enemies is in their worldview. It’s probably more important than any single political belief.

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HappyWarrior  May 22, 2018 • 4:35:50pm

re: #339 Blind Frog Belly White

When pictures of Shirtless Putin started appearing, with favorable comment, posted by wingnuts, I really COULD NOT grasp it. How The Fuck were these guys swooning for a dictator? I really didn’t want to believe just how important punishing their enemies is in their worldview. It’s probably more important than any single political belief.

It was awfully telling.

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Eventual Carrion  May 22, 2018 • 6:27:53pm

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. No different when the same sorts of Christians argued for keeping Jim Crow.

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Did Bart Simpson speak after him?

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Charmingly Persistent  May 22, 2018 • 7:57:31pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2018 • 6:17:41am

Julie won her Primary runoff last night. She is totally unfunded and is up against an ingrained Koch Bot Roger Williams.

If you can afford a dollar or 5, I and more like up would be appreciative.
It doesn’t happen on its own.

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