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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 22, 2018 • 10:03:04pm

Aacchhh! Just found that Amazon Prime is offering this sludge from Dumbash de Felon, along with its usual shitload of other RWNJ propaganda.

Hillary’s America

In HILLARY’S AMERICA, bestselling author and influential filmmaker D’Souza reveals the sordid truth about Hillary and the secret history of the Democratic Party. This important and controversial film releases at a critical time leading up to the 2016 Presidential campaign and challenges the state of American politics.

According to reviews, this spends most of its time attempting to “prove” that Democrats supported slavery and were the main instigators of secession, as though this is some kind of new revelation. They even call it “the secret history of the Democratic Party” implying that some dark cabal of liberal plotters has suppressed the facts for 150 years, rather than it being a well attested part of history.

As I often end up saying to RWNJs I have to address, “Your ignorance is not somebody else’s conspiracy.”

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JordanRules  May 22, 2018 • 10:05:30pm
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Kragar  May 22, 2018 • 10:11:36pm
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teleskiguy  May 22, 2018 • 10:18:17pm

re: #3 Kragar

Wasn’t on speaking terms with his folks, never worked around the house, refused monetary donations to move.

He’s a Bernie Sanders supporter.

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austin_blue  May 22, 2018 • 10:29:56pm

“The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?”

It doesn’t go well from there. It won’t go well for Drumpf.

And hey, I’m a Deist, and don’t buy into any Book, but that’s kind of relevant, as an overall comment on human hubris. And Drumpf is all about the hubris of his plenipotentiary self.

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freetoken  May 22, 2018 • 10:33:07pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Noticed last month that crap is on Amazon Prime.

Amazon takes money from wingnuts just as gladly as from the rest of us.

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austin_blue  May 22, 2018 • 10:34:49pm

re: #6 freetoken

Noticed last month that crap is on Amazon Prime.

Amazon takes money from wingnuts just as gladly as from the rest of us.

Capitalism. Buy it or leave it.

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austin_blue  May 22, 2018 • 10:47:23pm

Night all, sweet dreams. Much to do tomorrow.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 22, 2018 • 10:50:18pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The significance of how big the grievance industry is on the right—that massive $$ are circulated, both by bottom-rung consumers and bulk buyers—should be talked about all the time.

This is another reason I think we’re dealing with nihilists…the free and unhindered mix of pure avarice into what is putatively a coherent worldview trying to “explain” the USA in its various facets…they have no incentive to ever describe reality, no incentive to ever concede a point, no incentive to ever do anything but rachet tension up. That they view this activity as “informing” targets doesn’t suggest to me that they believe what they present, but that they treat information in the utility-only manner of bullshitters and abusers: they present what they need to present to obtain compliance, so that they can do what they want.

It’s a pyramid scheme.

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freetoken  May 22, 2018 • 10:53:50pm
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DodgerFan1988  May 22, 2018 • 11:03:40pm

“SHUT UP AND SING!”

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Nyet  May 22, 2018 • 11:28:53pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 22, 2018 • 11:46:48pm

My usual checking account has disappeared, along with my bank. Their website is down

Our Website is unavailable due to scheduled maintenance activities. We will return soon with enhanced functionality.

Their phone number has the same message and a debit charge for 11.99 was just refused. I have other resources but these people better have a DAMN good explanation if they want to keep any part of my business.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 22, 2018 • 11:55:46pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My usual checking account has disappeared, along with my bank. Their website is down

Their phone number has the same message and a debit charge for 11.99 was just refused. I have other resources but these people better have a DAMN good explanation if they want to keep any part of my business.

“Enhanced functionality” usually means “New ways of screwing you over”.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 23, 2018 • 12:07:43am

re: #14 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Enhanced functionality” usually means “New ways of screwing you over”.

Actually at this point, their explanations will not do them any good. I intend to close that account, assuming the idiots get it back up and it hasn’t been stolen completely, and I will be filing a complaint with the Texas Banking Commission. I will be talking to a lawyer to make sure it sticks, too. I have had bank accounts for more than 60 years. This is the first time that one of them has failed to provide funds that I knew I had available.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 1:41:47am

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My usual checking account has disappeared, along with my bank. Their website is down

Their phone number has the same message and a debit charge for 11.99 was just refused. I have other resources but these people better have a DAMN good explanation if they want to keep any part of my business.

We don’t have those sorts of banking improvements around here. Just cheques, ATM cards, and real tellers.

Hopefully they’ll get that fixed right away. Does Texas’s Banking Commission care about customers enough to act on complaints, or are they like other commissions, designed to protect businesses?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 1:46:49am

If nothing else, FDIC doesn’t show any failed banks since December.

fdic.gov

It just might be a computer problem at your bank.

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freetoken  May 23, 2018 • 4:17:33am

Over in the UK, TSB continues to have problems that are upsetting customers:

Surge in phishing follows TSB IT fiasco

I wonder if something similar has happened in Texas?

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 4:20:29am

Paige Patterson has been removed as head of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. His new title is “president emeritus.”

washingtonpost.com

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freetoken  May 23, 2018 • 4:26:51am

Non-paywall story on Patterson: star-telegram.com

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freetoken  May 23, 2018 • 4:29:51am

Meanwhile, our daily report on worldview clashes in America and creationism:

We need to leave death in God’s hands

[…]

Doctor-assisted death/suicide would be another step in the death culture that developed in the early 20th century as Darwinism’s “man evolving from an animal” and “survival of the fittest” movements progressed to the eugenics movement, in which Virginia was infamously a leader. Darwin’s theory calls for the elimination of “all the disgraces of nature.” It reached its peak, but not its end, with the the German Holocaust.

The death culture got a jump-start again 45 years ago when the Supreme Court gave doctors the legal right to kill a baby in the womb, which has resulted in more than 60 million dead babies. This American holocaust has further allowed and encouraged movements for euthanasia and infanticide.

[…]

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 4:33:57am

re: #21 freetoken

Yeah, Darwin never said we should kill the weak to benefit the strong. But if you want to demonize evolution, what better way than to demonize its co-developer.

Does Wallace ever get lambasted in the same way?

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 5:12:27am

re: #21 freetoken

The death culture got a jump-start again 45 years ago when the Supreme Court gave doctors the legal right to kill a baby in the womb

Always interesting to see how the mothers’ agency gets left out of this. Roe was not a doctor, afterall.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 5:14:41am

re: #22 wheat-dogg

Yeah, Darwin never said we should kill the weak to benefit the strong. But if you want to demonize evolution, what better way than to demonize its co-developer.

Does Wallace ever get lambasted in the same way?

Wallace (and Jim Crow in general) was upheld by the Bible.

As for Darwin, he made no such arguments. The “social Darwinism” lie was made up in the service of both religion and conservatism.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 5:20:53am

re: #21 freetoken

Doctor-assisted death/suicide would be another step in the death culture that developed in the early 20th century as Darwinism’s “man evolving from an animal” and “survival of the fittest” movements progressed to the eugenics movement, in which Virginia was infamously a leader. Darwin’s theory calls for the elimination of “all the disgraces of nature.” It reached its peak, but not its end, with the the German Holocaust.

Initially, eugenics had support across the political spectrum. As scientific evidence weighed against it, liberal members of society abandoned it; it was then placed in the service of religion and conservatism.

Nazis got their ideas about eugenics from our own conservatives promoting eugenics.

Darwin’s theory calls for no such thing of course, and the writer knows it. Such people lie to their supporters (especially the religious) who do not know what Darwin’s theory is.

Nowadays, sciences such as genetics are called “liberal eugenics” (by detractors, the same people).

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 5:23:09am

re: #23 Sir John Barron

Always interesting to see how the mothers’ agency gets left out of this. Roe was not a doctor, afterall.

Somehow I doubt they’re familiar with Roe’s jurisdictional history nor do they care.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 5:24:41am

They attack Margaret Sanger as a eugenics believer to discredit the pro choice movement. Ignores that unfortunately a lot of prominent people in the 20’s believed in that crap.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 5:28:00am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

They attack Margaret Sanger as a eugenics believer to discredit the pro choice movement. Ignores that unfortunately a lot of prominent people in the 20’s believed in that crap.

And they conveniently leave out the part where Margaret Sanger abandoned the eugenics movement.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 5:31:15am

re: #29 Anymouse 🌹

And they conveniently leave out the part where Margaret Sanger abandoned the eugenics movement.

Yep. And that MLK praised her. Another thing is that the Southern Baptists praised the Roe decision and saw anti abortion political activity as a “Catholic thing.” One can argue that the Evangelicals became anti-abortion not for moral reasons but for cynical reasons because they wanted to grow.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2018 • 5:36:49am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump’s been busy tweeting this morning, which is no surprise given that he’s more interested in tweeting than doing the hard work of reading a PDB daily.

Yesterday it was reported that the admin was caught off guard by North Korea’s actions.

It would appear that no one in the WH has read a PDB ever, because if they had, they would have known that this is how North Korea operates. And Trump gave them carte blanche to do this because North Korea got Trump to agree to direct talks without North Korea having to do a single thing.

Until Trump, North Korea had to dismantle its nuclear program to get direct talks. After Trump, North Korea was elevated and wont dismantle the program that gave them parity with the US and leverage over the rest of the region thanks to Trump’s idiotic moves.

Oh, and the GOP/Trumpworld still thinks he deserves a Nobel for this? They’re already cutting the check despite the fact that everyone seems to think that the summit might not even happen and that Trump is looking to blame someone for its failure/collapse - when the only one to blame is Trump for being in this position in the first place.

Trump the great negotiator put himself in a corner and he can’t negotiate his way out of it.

Add to that the fact that his trade team with China is in chaos and everyone else around the world knows that you can divide and conquer to get what they want out of the deal.The US is left in a worse position, and the only thing Trump cares about is whether he can personally profit.

That’s why we’re in the mess we’re in.

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jeffreyw  May 23, 2018 • 5:36:50am

Imgur


Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 5:37:29am

Clint Walker has gone to that great open range in the sky at age 90.

msn.com

I dimly remember watching Cheyenne as a wee one. I was 7 when it went off the air, after seven seasons.

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freetoken  May 23, 2018 • 5:40:13am

re: #33 wheat-dogg

I too only have the vaguest of memories of that show.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 5:41:46am

re: #33 wheat-dogg

Clint Walker has gone to that great open range in the sky at age 90.

msn.com

I dimly remember watching Cheyenne as a wee one. I was 7 when it went off the air, after seven seasons.

Oh, I remember Cheyenne. Used to yell at the set when it was on because Cheyenne always got beaten up in every episode. Got to the point Mom would change the channel…

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Done Ben Wrote  May 23, 2018 • 5:41:53am

re: #23 Sir John Barron

Always interesting to see how the mothers’ agency gets left out of this. Roe was not a doctor, afterall.

That is because they think women are too stupid to have agency. Evil abortion doctors trick women into having abortions because all women want to have babies. Every baby they ever are pregnant with. It sez so right in the Bible. Somewhere. Trust them.

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sagehen  May 23, 2018 • 5:48:06am

re: #36 Done Ben Wrote

That is because they think women are too stupid to have agency. Evil abortion doctors trick women into having abortions because all women want to have babies. Every baby they ever are pregnant with. It sez so right in the Bible. Somewhere. Trust them.

Of course. It’s those door-to-door abortion salesmen and their hard-sell tactics because they’re working on commission. (or maybe it’s a multi-level marketing deal, like Amway)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 5:52:17am

Republicans are still spinning the Wheel of Bullshit and it still works for them…

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 5:52:40am

So, this curious message popped up in my email just now, from the US Embassy in Beijing.

Location: Guangzhou

Event: A U.S. government employee in China recently reported subtle and vague, but abnormal, sensations of sound and pressure. The U.S. government is taking these reports seriously and has informed its official staff in China of this event. We do not currently know what caused the reported symptoms and we are not aware of any similar situations in China, either inside or outside of the diplomatic community.

Action to Take:

If you have concerns about any symptoms or medical problems that developed during or after a stay in China, consult a medical professional.
While in China, if you experience any unusual acute auditory or sensory phenomena accompanied by unusual sounds or piercing noises, do not attempt to locate their source. Instead, move to a location where the sounds are not present.

Weren’t there reports of similar disruptions at other embassies?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 5:53:05am

When doors are outlawed…

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Done Ben Wrote  May 23, 2018 • 5:53:21am

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

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freetoken  May 23, 2018 • 5:53:56am

Since its inception, ProPublica has pushed itself as the sort of local-real-journalism-supported-by-you sort of outfit. And I suppose they do highlight some stories that otherwise would be lost in the dark.

But they also run some articles that just strike me as trying to be too much like the usual outlets, complete with MBFs, etc.

Example, came across my Facebook feed today:

Forced To Choose Between A Job — And A Community: propublica.org

[…]

In recent years, though, Americans have grown less likely to migrate for opportunity. As recently as the early 1990s, 3 percent of Americans moved across state lines each year, but today the rate is half that. Fewer Americans moved in 2017 than in any year in at least a half-century. This change has caused consternation among economists and pundits, who wonder why Americans, especially those lower on the income scale, lack their ancestors’ get-up-and-go. “Why is this happening?” New York Times columnist David Brooks asked in 2014. His answer: “A big factor here is a loss in self-confidence. It takes faith to move.” Economist Tyler Cowen wrote last year that “poverty and low incomes have flipped from being reasons to move to reasons not to move, a fundamental change from earlier American attitudes.”

[…]

Why are they quoting Brooks here, when his question is obviously answered by him in a manner only to avoid the real issues.

This ProPublica story later on hinted at the real reason - the cost of living in larger communities, especially the housing costs. Though the story doesn’t really come out and state that.

Sure, my ancestors had plenty of get up and go and they travelled around the world and around the US.

And you know why?

Because they could get cheap land, land taken from the Native Americans.

That’s why.

Trying to compare the US today to that of 150 years ago is folly in this regards (as to why people just don’t move.)

In fact, to even ask that question is to show one hasn’t really understand why early Americans moved around, much less why they came here to begin with.

And then the MBF bit:

[…]

The country has a long tradition of place-based investment, most notably the New Deal, which, through the Tennessee Valley Authority and similar grand-scale projects, sought to raise up Appalachia and the South. Yet there’s strikingly little support these days for similar efforts, anywhere on the political spectrum. Kevin Williamson put it most caustically in a March 2016 essay in National Review. “So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be,” he wrote. “The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die.” Paul Krugman was more charitable, but hardly effusive, in a blog post last year. “There are arguably social costs involved in letting small cities implode, so that there’s a case for regional development policies that try to preserve their viability,” he wrote. “But it’s going to be an uphill struggle.”

[…]

I suppose by describing Williamson as caustic and Krugman as more charitable… that this is not an attempt at a true balance, but still, by quoting Williamson the author of this piece gives Williamson a credibility that he doesn’t deserve. Williamson knows nothing of macroeconomics (certainly not in comparison to Krugman).

Overall, this story is yet another one in a long line of real-America-is-hurting, a trendy bit of a genre that is just an excuse for not telling a straight story.

Here’s the straight story: A large corporation bought a small local electrical generation plant, decides to close it down and put the locals out of work because big corporation will raise its rates to its customers who buy electricity from more profitable generation plants.

End of story.

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 5:54:15am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

Any doughnuts? I got dibs on the glazed.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 5:54:44am

re: #35 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh, I remember Cheyenne. Used to yell at the set when it was on because Cheyenne always got beaten up in every episode. Got to the point Mom would change the channel…

I remember Cheyenne as well. As a matter of fact, I was there a couple weeks ago. /s

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Bubblehead II  May 23, 2018 • 5:55:31am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

So, this curious message popped up in my email just now, from the US Embassy in Beijing.

Weren’t there reports of similar disruptions at other embassies?

Cuba.

en.wikipedia.org

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freetoken  May 23, 2018 • 5:55:48am

Whoops, forgot link. Reload comment for link.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 23, 2018 • 5:55:58am

re: #31 lawhawk

Trump the great negotiator put himself in a corner and he can’t negotiate his way out of it.

Yup, Trump the “great negotiator” who can’t even think a single step ahead.

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Bubblehead II  May 23, 2018 • 5:57:21am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

Welcome hatchling.

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 5:59:06am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

Welcome, Hatchling.

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Done Ben Wrote  May 23, 2018 • 6:04:32am

re: #43 wheat-dogg

Will that do in a pinch?

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Unshaken Defiance  May 23, 2018 • 6:04:59am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

Yes and suspicions ran from ultrasound, faulty spy gear etc.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 6:06:19am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

Welcome aboard to Mr. Johnson’s Home for Sane Political Policy and Musical Appreciation.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 23, 2018 • 6:06:56am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

Welcome.

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sagehen  May 23, 2018 • 6:08:39am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

What do you put on your pizza?

(and welcome, glad to have you, even if your choice of toppings displeases me)

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A Mom Anon  May 23, 2018 • 6:11:47am

re: #42 freetoken

In the last 35 to 40 years wages have not kept up with inflation and that pretty much kills the mere thought of leaving where you are.

We’ve been trying to get out of GA for several years. My husband has 30 yrs experience in construction and building maintenance. Everything from turning wrenches to being a regional supervisor. Not a single company he’s interviewed with pays moving expenses except for upper level executives. None have offered him a salary that would cover the cost of moving to and living in places like San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago, NYC or Miami. It’s nearly impossible to relocate if you make under 70k a year and have a family to think about. Not to mention all the corporate fuckery that’s happened to make upward mobility extremely difficult.

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Done Ben Wrote  May 23, 2018 • 6:12:31am

re: #54 sagehen

Uhm. Pizza toppings.

*steps carefully*

Whatever whoever is buying puts on it?

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I cannot.  May 23, 2018 • 6:14:01am

re: #56 Done Ben Wrote

A safe choice, you have avoided the Great Pineapple Wars…for now.

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mmmirele  May 23, 2018 • 6:15:12am

Paige Patterson was removed as the president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth very early this morning. But don’t feel sorry for him; he’s moving to President Emeritus and will still take up residence in the posh retirement home known as the Baptist Heritage Center being built on the campus of SWBTS. Oh, and so far as I know, Patterson is still giving the convention sermon at the Southern Baptist Convention’s annual meeting next month.

Southern Baptist men—letting women know how terribly valued they are since I don’t know when. /////////

washingtonpost.com

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Unshaken Defiance  May 23, 2018 • 6:15:55am

Obama endorsed Antonio Villaraigosa. Ugh. Don’t like that guy at all. Used to call him the 15% mayor, for the time spent actually doing mayors work.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 6:16:01am

re: #56 Done Ben Wrote

Uhm. Pizza toppings.

*steps carefully*

Whatever whoever is buying puts on it?

I’m pro-pineapple. All these forced-toppings people can suck it.

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 6:19:15am

re: #60 Belafon

I’m pro-pineapple. All these forced-toppings people can suck it.

The only time I’ve ever had pineapple on pizza is when we ended up having to order Domino’s once in a pinch.

But as an elitist New Yorker, we barely consider Domino’s to be real pizza, so I think I get to skate on the charge, your honor.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 6:19:37am

re: #55 A Mom Anon

In the last 35 to 40 years wages have not kept up with inflation and that pretty much kills the mere thought of leaving where you are.

We’ve been trying to get out of GA for several years. My husband has 30 yrs experience in construction and building maintenance. Everything from turning wrenches to being a regional supervisor. Not a single company he’s interviewed with pays moving expenses except for upper level executives. None have offered him a salary that would cover the cost of moving to and living in places like San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago, NYC or Miami. It’s nearly impossible to relocate if you make under 70k a year and have a family to think about. Not to mention all the corporate fuckery that’s happened to make upward mobility extremely difficult.

Yup. I can’t afford to move anywhere, even down the road. I certainly can’t afford to live in a large urban area.

As for moving, except for momentos and keepsakes, sometimes it’s cheaper to sell what you have and buy replacements where you’re moving to.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 6:20:55am

re: #59 Unshaken Defiance

Obama endorsed Antonio Villaraigosa. Ugh. Don’t like that guy at all. Used to call him the 15% mayor, for the time spent actually doing mayors work.

Won’t vote for Mr. Gentrification!

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 6:21:03am

re: #50 Done Ben Wrote

[Embedded content]

Will that do in a pinch?

Perfect. Now if we can just manage to stuff it into the transpacific intertube, I’ll be set!

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mmmirele  May 23, 2018 • 6:22:11am

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

My usual checking account has disappeared, along with my bank. Their website is down

Their phone number has the same message and a debit charge for 11.99 was just refused. I have other resources but these people better have a DAMN good explanation if they want to keep any part of my business.

i work for a too big to fail bank in technology availability and my whole job centers around investigating incidents like these and making recommendations to improve availability. I am NOT apologizing for your bank here, but in my personal experience, this sounds like a catastrophic system failure of some sort. What should happen is there should be a backup system for automatic failover. Yes, there are downsides to this, but the big downside of having upset customers complaining on Twitter and elsewhere outweighs the small downside of switching from one data center to another. I could say a lot, lot more, but then I’d be talking out of school and that would not be good. But I am dying to know if your bank had an appropriate backup system or was just winging it.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 6:22:35am

“They’re not voting for me. How can it be meaningful?”

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 6:23:31am

re: #61 makeitstop

The only time I’ve ever had pineapple on pizza is when we ended up having to order Domino’s once in a pinch.

But as an elitist New Yorker, we barely consider Domino’s to be real pizza, so I think I get to skate on the charge, your honor.

I’m not a great pizza connoisseur, but even I stay away from Domino’s.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 6:24:11am

re: #66 Belafon

“They’re not voting for me. How can it be meaningful?”

See? He’s so refreshingly honest!

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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2018 • 6:25:56am

Julie won her Primary runoff last night. She is totally unfunded and is up against an ingrained Koch Bot Roger Williams.

If you can afford a dollar or 5, I and more like us would be appreciative.
It doesn’t happen on its own.

oliver2018.com

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 6:27:14am

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As I often end up saying to RWNJs I have to address, “Your ignorance is not somebody else’s conspiracy.”

That’s the best line I’ve seen in a long time. Bravo!

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 6:27:23am

re: #67 Belafon

I’m not a great pizza connoisseur, but even I stay away from Domino’s.

The worst mom and pop pizza joint in NY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dominos

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 6:28:50am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

Julie won her Primary runoff last night. She is totally unfunded and is up against an ingrained Koch Bot Roger Williams.

If you can afford a dollar or 5, I and more like up would be appreciative.
It doesn’t happen on its own.

oliver2018.com

Tonight I will. I’m sorry to all of the outside-of-Texas candidates I might have supported, but this year will be almost exclusively about Texas as this is a good year to move some things here back to the left.

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A Mom Anon  May 23, 2018 • 6:29:37am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

True, the paring down part. That I can handle. But someone with decades of experience no longer commands a salary that respects that skill level. Especially in blue collar professions.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 23, 2018 • 6:30:07am

re: #63 Joe Bacon 🌹

Won’t vote for Mr. Gentrification!

But look what else I found, the commercial is bogus.

Pro-Villaraigosa ad touting Barack Obama’s support leaves false impression
sacbee.com

Analysis:

The ad gives the false impression that Obama has endorsed, or is supporting in some other way Villaraigosa in his campaign for governor.

While Obama has praised Villaraigosa in the past, Obama spokeswoman Katie Hill said Obama hasn’t endorsed Villaraigosa or anyone else in the California governor’s race.

Obama did say the words highlighted in the television ad. He made the comments in July 2008 to Latino leaders in Washington, D.C. during the national convention of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

Read more here: sacbee.com

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mmmirele  May 23, 2018 • 6:30:17am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Yep. And that MLK praised her. Another thing is that the Southern Baptists praised the Roe decision and saw anti abortion political activity as a “Catholic thing.” One can argue that the Evangelicals became anti-abortion not for moral reasons but for cynical reasons because they wanted to grow.

Actually, it’s worse than that. They went with anti-abortion rhetoric because it became politically impossible to remain segregationist. In more recent years, they’ve added anti-LGBT rhetoric.

Which brings me to something I’ve been fuming about. So-called “progressive Christians” completely ignoring the persecution of LGBT persons by their co-religionists. There are a bunch of “progressive Christians” (the usual suspects, led by Jim Wallis at Sojourners) who put out a statement called “Reclaiming Jesus.” It’s not a bad statement in general—it calls out evangelicals for Christian nationalism and for failures in the areas of race and gender. BUT the big hole you could drive a Mack truck through is that the statement mentions NOTHING, and I do mean NOTHING about LGBT persons.

I know why they did it; some “progressive Christians” are so-called “third way” people who believe that LGBT Christians should remain celibate. (Oh, I could go nuts here but will spare you.) The people who put out this statement decided to cater to that bunch to increase their numbers, and people who know better (like the lauded Presiding Bishop Michael Curry from the Episcopal Church) signed on to this thing.

It’s hard for me to take so-called “progressive Christians” seriously when they deliberately ignore the suffering being perpetrated upon them by their evangelical co-religionists. Its’s the kind of thing that is pretty much ensuring that I’ll be staying out on the sidewalk with a sign rather than going into a church.

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Varek Raith  May 23, 2018 • 6:31:12am

re: #74 Unshaken Defiance

But look what else I found, the commercial is bogus.

Pro-Villaraigosa ad touting Barack Obama’s support leaves false impression
sacbee.com

Analysis:

The ad gives the false impression that Obama has endorsed, or is supporting in some other way Villaraigosa in his campaign for governor.

While Obama has praised Villaraigosa in the past, Obama spokeswoman Katie Hill said Obama hasn’t endorsed Villaraigosa or anyone else in the California governor’s race.

Obama did say the words highlighted in the television ad. He made the comments in July 2008 to Latino leaders in Washington, D.C. during the national convention of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

Read more here: sacbee.com

Slimy.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2018 • 6:38:40am

re: #55 A Mom Anon

In the last 35 to 40 years wages have not kept up with inflation and that pretty much kills the mere thought of leaving where you are.

We’ve been trying to get out of GA for several years. My husband has 30 yrs experience in construction and building maintenance. Everything from turning wrenches to being a regional supervisor. Not a single company he’s interviewed with pays moving expenses except for upper level executives. None have offered him a salary that would cover the cost of moving to and living in places like San Francisco, Baltimore, Chicago, NYC or Miami. It’s nearly impossible to relocate if you make under 70k a year and have a family to think about. Not to mention all the corporate fuckery that’s happened to make upward mobility extremely difficult.

Detroit. It’s not the shithole you think it is. (I think I’ll suggest that slogan to Mayor Duggan)

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freetoken  May 23, 2018 • 6:42:54am

re: #58 mmmirele

Why did it take the board 13 hours in a meeting to come to this decision?

It should have been done in 13 minutes.

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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2018 • 6:43:24am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

Julie won her Primary runoff last night. She is totally unfunded and is up against an ingrained Koch Bot Roger Williams.

If you can afford a dollar or 5, I and more like us would be appreciative.
It doesn’t happen on its own.

[Embedded content]

oliver2018.com

Thanks Belafon….

Hey, if anyone here has any leverage with Nat. media. We need to get Julies face out Nationally. Roger won’t debate her and doesn’t think he has to. Won’t even acknowledge her existence. The district is heavily gerrymandered. But…. I think Republican women will be open to her story as it’s like a lot of there’s. As I told her. Dems will vote for her regardless. The key is getting get them out to vote. Forget about Republican men and their sons. Forget them and don’t look. Concentrate on Republican women and their daughters. They are vulnerable.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 6:43:49am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

Welcome! Coffee! Mmmmmmmmm! Thank you!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 6:43:58am

re: #75 mmmirele

Actually, it’s worse than that. They went with anti-abortion rhetoric because it became politically impossible to remain segregationist. In more recent years, they’ve added anti-LGBT rhetoric.

Which brings me to something I’ve been fuming about. So-called “progressive Christians” completely ignoring the persecution of LGBT persons by their co-religionists. There are a bunch of “progressive Christians” (the usual suspects, led by Jim Wallis at Sojourners) who put out a statement called “Reclaiming Jesus.” It’s not a bad statement in general—it calls out evangelicals for Christian nationalism and for failures in the areas of race and gender. BUT the big hole you could drive a Mack truck through is that the statement mentions NOTHING, and I do mean NOTHING about LGBT persons.

I know why they did it; some “progressive Christians” are so-called “third way” people who believe that LGBT Christians should remain celibate. (Oh, I could go nuts here but will spare you.) The people who put out this statement decided to cater to that bunch to increase their numbers, and people who know better (like the lauded Presiding Bishop Michael Curry from the Episcopal Church) signed on to this thing.

It’s hard for me to take so-called “progressive Christians” seriously when they deliberately ignore the suffering being perpetrated upon them by their evangelical co-religionists. Its’s the kind of thing that is pretty much ensuring that I’ll be staying out on the sidewalk with a sign rather than going into a church.

I’m in total agreement with you. Which is why I will go to the gym on Sunday mornings instead of sleeping in a church pew.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 6:46:19am

re: #50 Done Ben Wrote

Mmmm! Kringle. You from Wisconsin?

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lawhawk  May 23, 2018 • 6:48:56am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

Oh good, it’s the gourmet stuff. When Bonnie buys coffee, she busy shit. I want to drink coffee I can taste.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 23, 2018 • 6:51:24am

re: #22 wheat-dogg

Yeah, Darwin never said we should kill the weak to benefit the strong. But if you want to demonize evolution, what better way than to demonize its co-developer.

Does Wallace ever get lambasted in the same way?

More importantly, evolutionary biologists don’t revere Darwin. They recognize his contribution to science, and as you note, he wasn’t the only biologist who was toying with the hypothesis of natural selection leading to new species.

The anti-science creationists, intelligent design, Zork makes with playdoh, etc. that ambasting Darwin as some kind of “gotcha” are projecting their belief that damaging Darwin, then a miracle occurs, natural selection and evolution are no longer viable theories. Just like creationism fails without a supreme creator. Science don’t work that way.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2018 • 6:51:24am
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Done Ben Wrote  May 23, 2018 • 6:51:50am

re: #82 MsJ

Mmmm! Kringle. You from Wisconsin?

I am. Somewhat more precisely, a couple blocks away from where the rioting was in Milwaukee a couple years ago.

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 6:53:20am

re: #84 Colère Tueur de Lapin

More importantly, evolutionary biologists don’t revere Darwin. They recognize his contribution to science, and as you note, he wasn’t the only biologist who was toying with the hypothesis of natural selection leading to new species.

The anti-science creationists, intelligent design, Zork makes with playdoh, etc. that ambasting Darwin as some kind of “gotcha” are projecting their belief that damaging Darwin, then a miracle occurs, natural selection and evolution are no longer viable theories. Just like creationism fails without a supreme creator. Science don’t work that way.

Authoritarians just don’t understand decentralization.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 6:54:01am

re: #79 Dave In Austin

Thanks Belafon….

Hey, if anyone here has any leverage with Nat. media. We need to get Julies face out Nationally. Roger won’t debate her and doesn’t think he has to. Won’t even acknowledge her existence. The district is heavily gerrymandered. But…. I think Republican women will be open to her story as it’s like a lot of there’s. As I told her. Dems will vote for her regardless. The key is getting get them out to vote. Forget about Republican men and their sons. Forget them and don’t look. Concentrate on Republican women and their daughters. They are vulnerable.

We have the same problem here with Jane Reybould running against Senator Deb Fischer, except also with the state media. As such, Mrs. Reybould is taking her campaign on the road here to appeal directly to the voters, particularly in small rural towns where a political candidate showing up might be the highlight of the year.

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William Lewis  May 23, 2018 • 6:54:17am

re: #75 mmmirele

Actually, it’s worse than that. They went with anti-abortion rhetoric because it became politically impossible to remain segregationist. In more recent years, they’ve added anti-LGBT rhetoric.

Which brings me to something I’ve been fuming about. So-called “progressive Christians” completely ignoring the persecution of LGBT persons by their co-religionists. There are a bunch of “progressive Christians” (the usual suspects, led by Jim Wallis at Sojourners) who put out a statement called “Reclaiming Jesus.” It’s not a bad statement in general—it calls out evangelicals for Christian nationalism and for failures in the areas of race and gender. BUT the big hole you could drive a Mack truck through is that the statement mentions NOTHING, and I do mean NOTHING about LGBT persons.

I know why they did it; some “progressive Christians” are so-called “third way” people who believe that LGBT Christians should remain celibate. (Oh, I could go nuts here but will spare you.) The people who put out this statement decided to cater to that bunch to increase their numbers, and people who know better (like the lauded Presiding Bishop Michael Curry from the Episcopal Church) signed on to this thing.

It’s hard for me to take so-called “progressive Christians” seriously when they deliberately ignore the suffering being perpetrated upon them by their evangelical co-religionists. Its’s the kind of thing that is pretty much ensuring that I’ll be staying out on the sidewalk with a sign rather than going into a church.

Yes, I noticed that as well and found it aggravating - as I said I was on the vestry that moved my parish to being a welcoming parish. It’s on our web presence and on our front door. I do think that Bishop Curry signed on as a better half a loaf than none type of moment but it is why I let my subscription to Sojourners Magazine lapse. I will be going to hear Bishop Curry preach on June 23rd; god willing I can ask him about it. We can not afford to go backwards but must support everyone trying to have true & honest relationships no matter what the plumbing happens to be.

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 6:56:58am

I just heard this on the radio. Still absolutely gorgeous.

Joni Mitchell - Hejira

Jaco-on-bass Joni is still the best Joni.

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TedStriker  May 23, 2018 • 6:58:42am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

So, this curious message popped up in my email just now, from the US Embassy in Beijing.

Weren’t there reports of similar disruptions at other embassies?

Cuba.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 6:59:45am

re: #84 Colère Tueur de Lapin

More importantly, evolutionary biologists don’t revere Darwin. They recognize his contribution to science, and as you note, he wasn’t the only biologist who was toying with the hypothesis of natural selection leading to new species.

The anti-science creationists, intelligent design, Zork makes with playdoh, etc. that ambasting Darwin as some kind of “gotcha” are projecting their belief that damaging Darwin, then a miracle occurs, natural selection and evolution are no longer viable theories. Just like creationism fails without a supreme creator. Science don’t work that way.

Frequently, creationists argue against the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection as if, it was debunked, that means God is True.

Aside from the fact that if everything about evolution is wrong that doesn’t mean Godidit, a whole lot of religious people (and not just creationists) conflate “evolution” with “atheism.” Thus, if you were to debunk evolution, you also debunk atheism.

Moreover, you debunk evolution by promoting a better hypothesis which explains all the facts, leaves none out, and can be used to make better predictions. A proper debunk of evolution would be something like “here are a bunch of facts which evolution cannot explain, and the theory cannot be adjusted to accommodate them; here is an alternative testable hypothesis which accommodates these facts.”

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 7:02:20am

re: #75 mmmirele

Actually, it’s worse than that. They went with anti-abortion rhetoric because it became politically impossible to remain segregationist. In more recent years, they’ve added anti-LGBT rhetoric.

Which brings me to something I’ve been fuming about. So-called “progressive Christians” completely ignoring the persecution of LGBT persons by their co-religionists. There are a bunch of “progressive Christians” (the usual suspects, led by Jim Wallis at Sojourners) who put out a statement called “Reclaiming Jesus.” It’s not a bad statement in general—it calls out evangelicals for Christian nationalism and for failures in the areas of race and gender. BUT the big hole you could drive a Mack truck through is that the statement mentions NOTHING, and I do mean NOTHING about LGBT persons.

I know why they did it; some “progressive Christians” are so-called “third way” people who believe that LGBT Christians should remain celibate. (Oh, I could go nuts here but will spare you.) The people who put out this statement decided to cater to that bunch to increase their numbers, and people who know better (like the lauded Presiding Bishop Michael Curry from the Episcopal Church) signed on to this thing.

It’s hard for me to take so-called “progressive Christians” seriously when they deliberately ignore the suffering being perpetrated upon them by their evangelical co-religionists. Its’s the kind of thing that is pretty much ensuring that I’ll be staying out on the sidewalk with a sign rather than going into a church.

You are correct about that. Thinking LGBT people should remain celibate is incredibly insensitive.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 7:03:59am

re: #93 HappyWarrior

You are correct about that. Thinking LGBT people should remain celibate is incredibly insensitive.

My sister is a deaconess in the Metropolitan Community Church. The National Council of Churches will not admit the MCC because of their stance on inclusiveness.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2018 • 7:06:31am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 7:06:57am

FDA Approves Preventative Migraine Treatment (goes to Channel 4 in Jacksonville, Fla.)

The treatment is a monthly injection which is supposed to prevent migraine headaches.

I think I’ll stick to my tablets to deal with migraines as they start.

The injections are expected to be about $575 a month, so I imagine the VA wouldn’t carry that anyway, and I sure can’t afford that.

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 7:07:47am

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

Frequently, creationists argue against the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection as if, it was debunked, that means God is True.

Aside from the fact that if everything about evolution is wrong that doesn’t mean Godidit, a whole lot of religious people (and not just creationists) conflate “evolution” with “atheism.” Thus, if you were to debunk evolution, you also debunk atheism.

Moreover, you debunk evolution by promoting a better hypothesis which explains all the facts, leaves none out, and can be used to make better predictions. A proper debunk of evolution would be something like “here are a bunch of facts which evolution cannot explain, and the theory cannot be adjusted to accommodate them; here is an alternative testable hypothesis which accommodates these facts.”

If geology as a science had not developed by the time Darwin came around, evolution as an idea would have never gained traction. Scientists first had to appreciate that the Earth was a lot more than 6000 years old, and that lifeforms were not all created at the same time in the remote past. Rather, organisms came and went over millions of years. Astronomers and physicists were still not very sure how the Sun could “burn” for so long, but it was clear that it did, since, well, we are here. The antiquity of the Earth gave Darwin the foundation for his theory.

Creationists, however. never attack geologists — at least directly. They attack the concepts of geology: stratification, radioactive decay rates, dynamism, plate tectonics. But they never seem to attack a single geologist, because they can’t. Modern geology is the result of hundreds of men and women working in their fields. Too many targets.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 7:08:09am

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

My sister is a deaconess in the Metropolitan Community Church. The National Council of Churches will not admit the MCC because of their stance on inclusiveness.

I’ve never been a formal member of a church. I dunno who it was that said this but church day is the most segregated day in the country. I’m proud that my Uncle was willing to be a priest in a poor, African American parish.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2018 • 7:08:41am
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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 7:09:06am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

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Grift, grift, all I have to is grift.
I’m grifting my life away.

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 7:10:05am

That Asshole is gonna be on my island today.

A representative of Republican Congressman Peter King told the NY Post Trump will visit Long Island on Wednesday to speak at an immigration event that will focus on an “MS-13 forum discussion.”

Trump will speak at the Morrelly Homeland Security Center in Bethpage Wednesday. The office of Rep. Tom Suozzi, Bethpage’s Democrat representative, told the Post he had gotten no heads up or invite to the event yet.

Word has it he’s going to ‘declare victory’ over MS-13. Asshole.

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 7:10:21am

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

Spying and criminal investigations are also not quite the same thing.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 7:12:14am

re: #102 wheat-dogg

Spying and criminal investigations are also not quite the same thing.

Precisely. He really thinks he shouldn’t have been investigated. Crooked pos.

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wheat-dogg  May 23, 2018 • 7:12:22am

re: #101 makeitstop

That Asshole is gonna be on my island today.

Word has it he’s going to ‘declare victory’ over MS-13. Asshole.

My evil side would like MS-13 to show up, just to prove him wrong.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 7:12:49am

re: #101 makeitstop

That Asshole is gonna be on my island today.

Word has it he’s going to ‘declare victory’ over MS-13. Asshole.

Well I speak for SoMd/NoVa in saying glad he’s not here.

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TedStriker  May 23, 2018 • 7:13:30am

BTW, greetings from Panama City Beach…been here the past couple of days on a mini-vacation. Aside from a couple of storms overnight the past couple of nights, the weather has been fantastic; I’ve also been eating myself silly, staying away from the major chains and eating local while here (I did the same thing when I came down last year).

My recommendations: Eat My Pasty (best British-style fish and chips I’ve ever had and the pastys are pretty good too) and Diego’s Burrito Factory.

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 7:14:46am

re: #106 TedStriker

How far were you from the shooter incident yesterday?

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 7:15:38am

re: #86 Done Ben Wrote

I am. Somewhat more precisely, a couple blocks away from where the rioting was in Milwaukee a couple years ago.

I used to go to Bucks games. I love Milwaukee. I’m originally from Chicago but lived in Il in a border town for years before leaving the country.

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Jebediah, RBG  May 23, 2018 • 7:17:05am

re: #42 freetoken

who wonder why Americans, especially those lower on the income scale, lack their ancestors’ get-up-and-go.

Shit like that infuriates me. They don’t lack “get-up-and-go,” damn it! They lack the MONEY required to pick up and move. It takes EVEN MORE money if you don’t already have a job in the new place. How do you get a job in a new place before you move there? You have to travel. Which costs money, the lack of which DEFINES “lower on the income scale.”
Blaming and shaming the poor makes me nuts. If I ever meet David Fucking Brooks face-to-face I will end up arrested.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 7:17:15am

re: #101 makeitstop

an “MS-13 forum discussion.”

Translation: drumpF on a stage bragging about his electoral college count, whining about the ‘witch hunt’ Mueller investigation, and ranting about how immigrants MS13 are all ‘animals’.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 7:18:18am

re: #101 makeitstop

That Asshole is gonna be on my island today.

Word has it he’s going to ‘declare victory’ over MS-13. Asshole.

Well, then, if he was “victorious” over MS-13, he can stop talking about them then.

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austin_blue  May 23, 2018 • 7:20:14am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

Julie won her Primary runoff last night. She is totally unfunded and is up against an ingrained Koch Bot Roger Williams.

If you can afford a dollar or 5, I and more like us would be appreciative.
It doesn’t happen on its own.

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oliver2018.com

I think we have good shots in both 21 (Kopser) and 25 (Oliver).

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TedStriker  May 23, 2018 • 7:21:05am

re: #107 makeitstop

How far were you from the shooter incident yesterday?

Other side of the bay in PCB, well away from what was going down (the standoff was in Panama City proper); I had been over into Panama City Sunday night to eat dinner at Po’ Folks, however (I hadn’t been to one since the last one in Nashville closed 15-20 years ago; it was alright, but nothing special).

I found out about it while getting a shake while waiting for a pizza; the ice cream parlor had a TV on the local news and I was all like, “oh fuck…”

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 7:23:35am

re: #110 Sir John Barron

Translation: drumpF on a stage bragging about his electoral college count, whining about the ‘witch hunt’ Mueller investigation, and ranting about how immigrants MS13 are all ‘animals’.

Aye pretty much.

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 7:26:08am

re: #36 Done Ben Wrote

That is because they think women are too stupid to have agency. Evil abortion doctors trick women into having abortions because all women want to have babies. Every baby they ever are pregnant with. It sez so right in the Bible. Somewhere. Trust them.

Morning!

Welcome new contributor Done Ben Wrote. You came out firing.

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Done Ben Wrote  May 23, 2018 • 7:26:13am

re: #87 wheat-dogg

Authoritarians just don’t understand decentralization.

It is part of the problem that they have with unethical leaders—they cannot separate the message from the person. If a respected religious thinker is discredited, his message is suspect, because the message is about religion or ethics, not reality. If he is found to be an lying, abusive criminal, they must protect him. Young girls throw themselves on preachers. Or she was a lying whore. Or it wasn’t really sex. Or. Or. Or.

As long as the scientist has not committed fraud with the data, exposing a sleezebag scientist will not damage their previous work, because that work is about reality. And reality does not change, no matter what you think of it.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2018 • 7:29:43am

re: #101 makeitstop

We’ve heard that before.

Every few years the feds and local officials crack down on gangs, including MS-13, and then they come back.

They’ll have their Mission Accomplished and in a few years, we’ll be dealing with another gang outbreak because the gang reconstituted itself.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 7:36:18am

Conspiracy or accuracy? You decide.

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CongoJack  May 23, 2018 • 7:36:38am

re: #117 lawhawk

We’ve heard that before.

Every few years the feds and local officials crack down on gangs, including MS-13, and then they come back.

They’ll have their Mission Accomplished and in a few years, we’ll be dealing with another gang outbreak because the gang reconstituted itself.

Ya know what ends gangs…. good education and good jobs. Gangs are only created as a form of protection when resources are low and tensions are high (for the most part). Kids would not be enticed to join a gang if they knew their future was bright and not murky because of right wing policies.

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Barefoot Grin  May 23, 2018 • 7:38:47am

As if we didn’t know:

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 7:39:31am

re: #117 lawhawk

We’ve heard that before.

Every few years the feds and local officials crack down on gangs, including MS-13, and then they come back.

They’ll have their Mission Accomplished and in a few years, we’ll be dealing with another gang outbreak because the gang reconstituted itself.

Yeah, claiming victory is a fool’s errand.

But then again, look who’s making the claim…

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sagehen  May 23, 2018 • 7:39:52am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I’ve never been a formal member of a church. I dunno who it was that said this but church day is the most segregated day in the country. I’m proud that my Uncle was willing to be a priest in a poor, African American parish.

MLK. The most segregated hour in America is 11 Sunday morning.

The Most Segregated Hour in America - Martin Luther King Jr.

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Sea Mexican!  May 23, 2018 • 7:40:41am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

*sniff* I love the smell of coffee in the morning.

Welcome!!

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 7:42:37am

re: #118 MsJ

Conspiracy or accuracy? You decide.

Speaking of Rude Pundit, I read this post last night and laughed so hard at the opening paragraph I woke up both the wife and the dog.

Behind a button because it’s brimming with F-bombs…

I have been sitting here, drinking away the lunch hour(s), trying to figure out a way to encapsulate the hogpile of fuckery that has involved the Trump administration just in the last few days.

I’ve thought about metaphors, like say Donald Trump is pretty much a guy who likes to fuck sheep but he’s always just lived on a small farm with only a couple of sheep in the barn for him to fuck, but then, all of a sudden, someone mistakes his fucking of sheep for being a really good shepherd and he’s hired to take care of a giant flock which for him is like fuck paradise and now he’s fucking all the sheep he can, fucking them every which way, in their sheep asses, in their sheep pussies, in their sheep ears, sometimes just rubbing his dick on the fleece on their bodies until he orgasms, and no one’s stopping him, no matter how much people point over the fence and say, “He’s fucking the sheep, sweet Jesus. He’s fucking the sheep,” but no one who could stop him from sheep-fucking is going to stop him, and, horrible as it is, you can’t look away because there’s a fat old man fucking sheep.

But I didn’t feel like that metaphor captured the nuances of the situation.

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whitebeach  May 23, 2018 • 7:42:53am

re: #41 Done Ben Wrote

Good morning, everyone.

I’ve been lurking here for ages, finally decided to stick my oar in the water and register.

I brought coffee. No beer, can’t drink the stuff.

Welcome. And I hear you about the beer. Don’t drink it myself at this hour. You don’t mind if I pour a little rum in the coffee, though, do you?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 7:47:14am

re: #122 sagehen

MLK. The most segregated hour in America is 11 Sunday morning.

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Compare that clip to how Chuck U Todd does the Magic Balance Fairy shtick.

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LastYearsMan  May 23, 2018 • 7:47:23am

re: #120 Barefoot Grin

As if we didn’t know:

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Would have been nice if Stahl and her ilk wrote about such things at the time — you know, putting accountability ahead of access. But maybe I’m old-fashioned.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 7:49:35am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

So, this curious message popped up in my email just now, from the US Embassy in Beijing.

Weren’t there reports of similar disruptions at other embassies?

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 7:50:50am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 7:56:43am

Roofer just called. He will be by in the afternoon to inspect our roof and replace it after the tornado damage.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 7:58:10am
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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2018 • 7:59:52am

re: #112 austin_blue

Roger won’t come out of his turtle hole at Ft Hood. Every other word out of his mouth right now is #TaxCuts and #Troops. He won’t debate and doesn’t think he has too.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 8:00:03am
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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 8:01:15am

re: #21 freetoken

Meanwhile, our daily report on worldview clashes in America and creationism:

We need to leave death in God’s hands

The death culture got a jump-start again 45 years ago when the Supreme Court gave doctors the legal right to kill a baby in the womb, which has resulted in more than 60 million dead babies. This American holocaust has further allowed and encouraged movements for euthanasia and infanticide.

if it’s “in the womb” it’s not a baby

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 8:02:19am

re: #124 makeitstop

Speaking of Rude Pundit, I read this post last night and laughed so hard at the opening paragraph I woke up both the wife and the dog.

Behind a button because it’s brimming with F-bombs…

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You owe me a new keyboard after I spit coffee on it.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 8:02:40am

re: #118 MsJ

…Follow the money! The spy was there early in the campaign and yet never reported Collusion with Russia, because there was no Collusion. He was only there to spy for political reasons and to help Crooked Hillary win - just like they did to Bernie Sanders, who got duped!

— Donald J. Trump

Very bad spying job if the FBI source didn’t know about the Donny Junior Russia meeting, which we found out only after the election, and after the investigation started.

And oh yeah, shut the eff up Donny.

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Done Ben Wrote  May 23, 2018 • 8:03:02am

Thanks for the welcome, everyone.

I’m off to be productive, which in this case means mowing the lawn. BBL.

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Teukka  May 23, 2018 • 8:05:17am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

So, this curious message popped up in my email just now, from the US Embassy in Beijing.

Weren’t there reports of similar disruptions at other embassies?

re: #128 JordanRules

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[tinfoil]Now, what if it isn’t foreign powers messing US diplomatic staffs brains up, but that it is a less-than-obvious way of the tRump admin to get rid of diplomats?[/tinfoil]

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 8:06:05am

re: #56 Done Ben Wrote

Uhm. Pizza toppings.

*steps carefully*

Whatever whoever is buying puts on it?

you answered without saying anything
“that’s politics”

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 8:06:28am
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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 8:07:31am

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

You owe me a new keyboard after I spit coffee on it.

Rude is the best. Nobody slings the F-bomb like he does.

The rest of the post is even better. Once he dispenses with the trademark vulgarity, he makes a ton of great points.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 8:08:02am

Heh.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 8:08:30am

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

Roofer just called. He will be by in the afternoon to inspect our roof and replace it after the tornado damage.

What about the interior?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 23, 2018 • 8:08:52am

re: #140 JordanRules

I bet Tomi reminds him of his daughter.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 23, 2018 • 8:11:30am

My daughter from Israel has been visiting, and I got her hooked on the sourdough bread. So now she wants her own starter. I gave her the link to the starter recipe at the King Arthur Flour but she said that’s too complicated. So she wants to take some of my starter home with her.

I’m like OK but how does she get it on the plane? I could fill one of those 3-oz travel containers and she could put it in her cosmetic bag.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 8:11:42am

re: #134 dangerman

if it’s “in the womb” it’s not a baby

Republicans: If it’s out of the womb, it doesn’t matter.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 8:11:44am

re: #140 JordanRules

Is Tomi in some kind of trouble, or just slavishly barking the company line on DrumpF?

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TedStriker  May 23, 2018 • 8:11:51am

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

I bet Tomi reminds him of his daughter.

You know Trump wants to fuck White Privilege Barbie so bad… aside from not being Eastern European, she’s just his type.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2018 • 8:12:10am

re: #131 JordanRules

Anyone who knew about Trump before he ran was warning everyone who would listen that this is how he operates. The media refused to listen or take the warnings seriously.

Even after he got the nomination, the media downplayed all this and instead focused on Hillary’s emails. Instead of getting to the bottom of why the GOP platform flipped on Russia and Ukraine and who was pulling those strings, they focused on Hillary’s emails.

Instead of focusing on Trump’s health, they questioned Hillary’s stamina because she was actually campaigning while sick with pneumonia. Trump still hasn’t gotten a clean bill of health from any reputable doctor.

Instead of focusing on Trump’s financials, we got Hillary’s emails and Clinton Foundation (whose records are an open book). And yes, I know WaPo’s Faherentholt was instrumental on trying to piece together Trump’s shady charitable dealings.

Instead of Trump’s scam school being the death knell, we got Hillary’s emails.

Instead of Trump’s Access Hollywood statements being the death knell, we got Hillary’s emails.

For any other person, one of those individual acts would have been enough to end the campaign. With Trump, he’s deflected one controversy by throwing another one at the wall.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 8:13:54am
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TedStriker  May 23, 2018 • 8:14:44am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

My daughter from Israel has been visiting, and I got her hooked on the sourdough bread. So now she wants her own starter. I gave her the link to the starter recipe at the King Arthur Flour but she said that’s too complicated. So she wants to take some of my starter home with her.

I’m like OK but how does she get it on the plane? I could fill one of those 3-oz travel containers and she could put it in her cosmetic bag.

Since the starter contains live yeast, y’all might want to check with US and Israeli customs on that.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 8:15:02am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

My daughter from Israel has been visiting, and I got her hooked on the sourdough bread. So now she wants her own starter. I gave her the link to the starter recipe at the King Arthur Flour but she said that’s too complicated. So she wants to take some of my starter home with her.

I’m like OK but how does she get it on the plane? I could fill one of those 3-oz travel containers and she could put it in her cosmetic bag.

Better she carries it on and can explain it. If they see it in checked in baggage, they might think it’s bomb material.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 8:15:51am

re: #147 Sir John Barron

Is Tomi in some kind of trouble, or just slavishly barking the company line on DrumpF?

Pretty sure he was just watching her on Fox.

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whitebeach  May 23, 2018 • 8:16:07am

re: #106 TedStriker

BTW, greetings from Panama City Beach…been here the past couple of days on a mini-vacation. Aside from a couple of storms overnight the past couple of nights, the weather has been fantastic; I’ve also been eating myself silly, staying away from the major chains and eating local while here (I did the same thing when I came down last year).

It’s a great beach, part of the same area I take my username from. But I hope you aren’t still there as of Memorial Day weekend, as you will be absolutely up to your ears in drunken redneck college kids from all over the South. Someday I’ll tell the waiting-breathless world the story of how I ended up spending the night in the Port St. Joe jail because of the Memorial Day situation in PCB.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 8:16:46am

re: #149 lawhawk

I think all of that is irrelevant. Trump is good for ratings and paper sales. Period.

That’s the American way. The country doesn’t matter at all.

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plansbandc  May 23, 2018 • 8:18:16am

re: #43 wheat-dogg

I want a chocolate sprinkle.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 8:18:36am

re: #155 MsJ

I think all of that is irrelevant. Trump is good for ratings and paper sales. Period.

That’s the American way. The country doesn’t matter at all.

They thought they could use him for ratings but Clinton would win.

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TedStriker  May 23, 2018 • 8:19:09am

re: #154 whitebeach

It’s a great beach, part of the same area I take my username from. But I hope you aren’t still there as of Memorial Day weekend, as you will be absolutely up to your ears in drunken redneck college kids from all over the South. Someday I’ll tell the waiting-breathless world the story of how I ended up spending the night in the Port St. Joe jail because of the Memorial Day situation in PCB.

Nah, going back home tomorrow.

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Jay C  May 23, 2018 • 8:24:17am

re: #124 makeitstop

Speaking of Rude Pundit, I read this post last night and laughed so hard at the opening paragraph I woke up both the wife and the dog.

Behind a button because it’s brimming with F-bombs…

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Yep. Spot on. But the trouble with citing RP is that no matter how cogent or correct the argument he makes, no one (well, no one outside the blogosphere) is going to see (or want to see) beyond the “F-bombs” and crude language. Too bad.

re: #138 Teukka

[tinfoil]Now, what if it isn’t foreign powers messing US diplomatic staffs brains up, but that it is a less-than-obvious way of the tRump admin to get rid of diplomats?[/tinfoil]

I’d doff the sombrero de aluminio here: IIRC, the problems at the Havana Embassy started before Trump took office - right after the place re-opened, I think. And still not resolved (?)

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TedStriker  May 23, 2018 • 8:24:19am

re: #151 TedStriker

In any case, even with your starter as a base, her starter will diverge from yours over time, depending on her local strains of airborne yeasts and Lactobacillus.

/learned that from Alton Brown

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Skip Intro  May 23, 2018 • 8:27:56am

re: #63 Joe Bacon 🌹

Won’t vote for Mr. Gentrification!

On the other hand this pic of Newsom and the future Mrs. Jr. Trump makes me gag every time I see it.

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whitebeach  May 23, 2018 • 8:34:08am

re: #161 Skip Intro

On the other hand this pic of Newsom and the future Mrs. Jr. Trump makes me gag every time I see it.

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This is the kind of portrait that makes you wonder what the photographer said or was thinking. My guess here is that he/she just decided, Fuck it, I’ll shoot these soulless unhappy rich assholes like the soulless unhappy rich assholes they are.

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jeffreyw  May 23, 2018 • 8:36:13am

Imgur


Worm sign! First caterpillars of the year.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 8:39:14am

It seems Tomi had some trouble over the weekend:

Witness Devan Madison tells us he and a group of friends were at Union Restaurant in Minneapolis on Saturday where his friend was actually serving the Fox News pundit and her mother. He claims “My friend told me she [Tomi] was extremely rude and had a big attitude.”

We’re told when Lahren got up to leave the restaurant, a woman sitting at Madison’s table threw a glass of water on the conservative mouthpiece. Madison claims that “literally the entire restaurant started cheering.”

We spoke with the bouncer in the video, Jeremy Jackson (not that one), who said that Tomi claimed she saw the brunch group “scowling at her” on her way out of the eatery and said, “Just another day in the life” as she walked by them. That’s apparently when the drink was sent flying.

Patrons immediately took out their cell phones to record the aftermath while a “F**k that bitch” chant erupted in the background.

I don’t condone this (I think chanting would have been enough), but I mysteriously wouldn’t have recognized the perpetrator if asked if I had been there.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 8:40:06am

re: #164 Belafon

Oh! So that’s why Trump is shouting her out.

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gocart mozart  May 23, 2018 • 8:45:28am
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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 8:46:14am

re: #164 Belafon

It seems Tomi had some trouble over the weekend:

I don’t condone this (I think chanting would have been enough), but I mysteriously wouldn’t have recognized the perpetrator if asked if I had been there.

There’s video, sorta.

Tomi Lahren Gets A Drink Thrown In Her Face At a Hip-Hop Brunch

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calochortus  May 23, 2018 • 8:47:30am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

My daughter from Israel has been visiting, and I got her hooked on the sourdough bread. So now she wants her own starter. I gave her the link to the starter recipe at the King Arthur Flour but she said that’s too complicated. So she wants to take some of my starter home with her.

I’m like OK but how does she get it on the plane? I could fill one of those 3-oz travel containers and she could put it in her cosmetic bag.

If you’ve got a couple days before she leaves, you can dry it. Spread a tablespoon or two out on waxed paper or something and let it dry. You can freeze it for up to a year at that point (if you want to) or revive it with water and flour over the course of a few days when you get where you’re going.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 8:48:11am

re: #164 Belafon

Tomi claimed she saw the brunch group “scowling at her” on her way out of the eatery and said, “Just another day in the life” as she walked by them.

she’s so persecuted, such a victim.

//

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 8:49:30am

re: #143 MsJ

What about the interior?

He’s going to look at that as well.

Betsy DeVos Wants Everyone To Be Happy. Bigots, And The Immigrant Kids They Rat Out To ICE (Goes to Wonkette, a children’s book compared to Rude Pundit, more at the link):

Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is a big fan of state and local control of schools, even when that would break federal law. Not because she advocates lawbreaking, of course, but because she’s an idiot who can’t get it through her head that no matter what her ideal libertarian paradise might look like, there are some areas where federal law really does override local desires. During her confirmation hearing, she notoriously said she thought it should be up to states to decide whether kids with disabilities have full access to education. Tim Kaine angrily reminded her that equal education access is actually a federal law.

And yes, she’s at it again. Yesterday, she told a House committee that it should be up to individual communities and schools to decide whether to call ICE on children they believe are undocumented immigrants. Federal law? Supreme Court decisions? Why would she know anything about those? She’s all about local control, not silly laws.

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Bubblehead II  May 23, 2018 • 8:49:37am

Been watching this all morning. Pretty fascinating.

LIVE: Huge lava fountain flows in Hawaii

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 8:49:47am

re: #167 makeitstop

There’s video, sorta.

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have the Russia-bots, I mean faithful true conservative Americans, called for boycotting this restaurant yet?

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 8:51:39am
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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 8:52:08am

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹

And yes, she’s at it again. Yesterday, she told a House committee that it should be up to individual communities and schools to decide whether to call ICE on children they believe are undocumented immigrants. Federal law? Supreme Court decisions? Why would she know anything about those? She’s all about local control, not silly laws.

I thought the company line was that all local jurisdictions must rat out their immigrants or be labeled a ‘sanctuary’ jurisdiction.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 8:53:15am

re: #155 MsJ

I think all of that is irrelevant. Trump is good for ratings and paper sales. Period.

That’s the American way. The country doesn’t matter at all.

As I noted before the election, Trump’s ascension was good for the media business (so did CBS’s president). At that time, I also noted that tearing him down would be good for business.

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whitebeach  May 23, 2018 • 8:56:20am

re: #163 jeffreyw

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Worm sign! First caterpillars of the year.

You gotta love this time of year. It breaks your heart and heals it like a beautiful song. This morning I saw the first mama turtle slogging her way across the yard to dig a hole and lay her eggs. Another couple of days and it’ll be like a turtle freeway out there.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 23, 2018 • 8:58:56am

re: #118 MsJ

how come such a seemingly massive amount of money was paid for services rendered - many times higher than normal…

He has a good handle on the cost of campaign spies? The RudePundit has it, he knows because he employs them.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 9:00:28am

re: #118 MsJ

Conspiracy or accuracy? You decide.

Does DrumPf really want us to ‘follow the money’? Like his money? Like his tax returns?

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 9:02:35am

re: #118 MsJ

Conspiracy or accuracy? You decide.

OK but was the spy just a coffee boy?

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Skip Intro  May 23, 2018 • 9:02:43am

re: #162 whitebeach

This is the kind of portrait that makes you wonder what the photographer said or was thinking. My guess here is that he/she just decided, Fuck it, I’ll shoot these soulless unhappy rich assholes like the soulless unhappy rich assholes they are.

Looks like it was shot in Trump Tower West.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 9:02:54am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

As I noted before the election, Trump’s ascension was good for the media business (so did CBS’s president). At that time, I also noted that tearing him down would be good for business.

When will we get to the second part?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 9:05:34am

re: #181 MsJ

When will we get to the second part?

They’re still making money on the first part, introducing the Nazi next door who’s just like you, and interviewing every Trump voter in the galaxy.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 9:06:01am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

They’re still making money on the first part, introducing the Nazi next door who’s just like you, and interviewing every Trump voter in the galaxy.

Never, then.

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jeffreyw  May 23, 2018 • 9:11:29am

re: #176 whitebeach

You gotta love this time of year. It breaks your heart and heals it like a beautiful song. This morning I saw the first mama turtle slogging her way across the yard to dig a hole and lay her eggs. Another couple of days and it’ll be like a turtle freeway out there.

Yes, and a wonderful playmate for the pup!

Imgur

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 9:12:15am

Fox and Friends of North Korea.

Motherfuckers are ready to excuse any goddamn thing.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:17:49am

Not normal. Not okay.

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whitebeach  May 23, 2018 • 9:18:52am

re: #184 jeffreyw

Yes, and a wonderful playmate for the pup!

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Hah!

In NYC I once found a bowling ball curbside (like I said, NYC) and brought it home and set it on the, of course, uneven floor, where it wobbled around a bit, which sent our wire-hair fox terrier into craze mode, as many things do with wire-hairs. He tried to bite that bowling ball for most of a day, and most of the next, and even years later he’d still give it a try now and then.

Same principle with dogs and turtles.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:19:40am
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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 9:19:58am

re: #185 makeitstop

Fox host and Trump adviser

But we repeat ourselves.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2018 • 9:21:25am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:21:43am
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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 9:22:55am

re: #188 JordanRules

which is him thinking he’s having an effect on his people see it.

I’m still trying to understand this sentence. I think she just means that DJT really isn’t unhinged, he just knows if he keeps repeating ‘witch hunt’ and continuing to attack the investigation that his base will love him for it.

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Dr. Matt  May 23, 2018 • 9:24:19am

Has bump stock Barbie’s “thrown drink” story been debunked or revised yet?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 23, 2018 • 9:25:46am

re: #188 JordanRules

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Jay C  May 23, 2018 • 9:26:07am

re: #191 JordanRules

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Jeez Louise! How much money was Michael Cohen handling? It’s like the guy was a one-man Bank Of Crooked for shady foreign money looking for influence with the new Administration…

Quite a step up from the “obscure lawyer with three clients” he started out as way back…. when? March??

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:26:56am
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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 9:27:31am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WITCH HUNT!

— Donald J. Trump

Does Donald come down off his cross to tweet these things or does he do it with the nails through his palms and feet?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 23, 2018 • 9:27:55am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 9:28:00am

Thread, four tweets on what Jim Wright notes is a tactic of information warfare:

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 9:28:13am

re: #195 Jay C

Jeez Louise! How much money was Michael Cohen handling? It’s like the guy was a one-man Bank Of Crooked for shady foreign money looking for influence with the new Administration…

Quite a step up from the “obscure lawyer with three clients” he started out as way back…. when? March??

It was just all coffee money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:29:32am

re: #192 Sir John Barron

which is him thinking he’s having an effect on his people see it.

I’m still trying to understand this sentence. I think she just means that DJT really isn’t unhinged, he just knows if he keeps repeating ‘witch hunt’ and continuing to attack the investigation that his base will love him for it.

Missing a “how” right before the bolded part.

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freetoken  May 23, 2018 • 9:31:12am

For those who missed yesterday’s bad lip reading:

“ROYAL WEDDING” — A Bad Lip Reading

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:32:13am
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danarchy  May 23, 2018 • 9:33:25am

re: #164 Belafon

It seems Tomi had some trouble over the weekend:

I don’t condone this (I think chanting would have been enough), but I mysteriously wouldn’t have recognized the perpetrator if asked if I had been there.

You may not encourage it, but that is pretty much the definition of condoning it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:33:32am

such a moron…

hey autoworkers…you’re all gonna be shipped off to Chyna!!!!

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lawhawk  May 23, 2018 • 9:33:48am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Linda.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 9:34:30am

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

Our Trade Deal with China is moving along nicely, but in the end we will probably have to use a different structure in that this will be too hard to get done and to verify results after completion.

— Donald J. Trump

Translation: The trade deal talks are going nowhere

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 23, 2018 • 9:35:00am
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lawhawk  May 23, 2018 • 9:36:10am
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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 9:38:04am

re: #204 danarchy

You may not encourage it, but that is pretty much the definition of condoning it.

Yes, you are correct. I would have told anyone I heard planning not to do it. But, had it been done, I wouldn’t rat it out.

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Mike Lamb  May 23, 2018 • 9:38:39am

re: #186 JordanRules

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Not normal. Not okay.

It’s really not. You’ve got Giuliani openly stating that this is about getting information about the investigation for Trump. It’s not fucking OK, and the media is not making a big enough deal about this.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 23, 2018 • 9:38:43am
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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 9:38:48am

The NFL has unanimously (by the owners) approved assessing a 15 yard penalty for taking a knee.

Figures. The year the Jets actually get a good QB is the year I give the NFL a last, hearty ‘fuck you.’

ESPN NY talker (and former Giant) Troy Canty is going off right now.

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2018 • 9:39:22am

re: #208 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That sound you hear is wingnut heads popping like champagne corks. They’ll try to spin it as a “victory,” saying that the League will now fine those who are kneeling. But releasing the teams to keep their players off the field until after the Anthem totally undermines that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:40:46am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:40:48am

re: #213 makeitstop

The NFL has unanimously (by the owners) approved assessing a 15 yard penalty for taking a knee.

Figures. The year the Jets actually get a good QB is the year I give the NFL a last, hearty ‘fuck you.’

ESPN NY talker (and former Giant) Troy Canty is going off right now.

The 15 yard penalty didn’t make it into the new policy did it?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 9:42:05am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:42:41am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Such a horrible top down league. I hope their Union protects them, but the history of it is so dismal.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:44:57am

re: #211 Mike Lamb

It’s really not. You’ve got Giuliani openly stating that this is about getting information about the investigation for Trump. It’s not fucking OK, and the media is not making a big enough deal about this.

If it was Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch though, the media would be losing their shit.

Someone said recently there are no red lines. That appears to be even truer than it already was.

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Mike Lamb  May 23, 2018 • 9:45:31am

re: #214 Targetpractice

That sound you hear is wingnut heads popping like champagne corks. They’ll try to spin it as a “victory,” saying that the League will now fine those who are kneeling. But releasing the teams to keep their players off the field until after the Anthem totally undermines that.

I think it will be more noticeable when half the team stays in the lockerroom (I hope). There are probably more than a few guys that supported the protest, but for various reasons, didn’t want to kneel (see e.g., the blacklisting of Kaepernick). This gives them the opportunity.

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 9:46:21am

re: #216 JordanRules

The 15 yard penalty didn’t make it into the new policy did it?

Oops, you’re right. Players get fined.

Same dif. Might as well tape players’ mouths shut while they’re at it.

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Mike Lamb  May 23, 2018 • 9:46:44am

re: #219 JordanRules

If it was Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch though, the media would be losing their shit.

Someone said recently there are no red lines. That appears to be even truer than it already was.

It was Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch, and they did lose their minds—and that was a giant nothingburger. This is some real, actual shit going down.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 23, 2018 • 9:47:35am
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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 9:47:38am

re: #173 JordanRules

[Embedded content]Depends on how close The Batman is to discovering my evil plan

+1 for “The”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:48:27am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:48:32am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:49:32am

re: #222 Mike Lamb

It was Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch, and they did lose their minds—and that was a giant nothingburger. This is some real, actual shit going down.

That was my point in using that example.

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 9:49:36am
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Dave In Austin  May 23, 2018 • 9:50:48am

Hey, They’re gonna die anyway right? Where have we recently heard that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:51:37am

more moron…

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 9:51:57am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:52:02am
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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 9:53:35am

re: #197 Sir John Barron

Does Donald come down off his cross to tweet these things or does he do it with the nails through his palms and feet?

the story a day or so ago was that apparently his staff does some of the tweeting for him

we literally do not know whose hands are on the keyboard and whether or not trump himself vets every tweet

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Teukka  May 23, 2018 • 9:54:20am

re: #232 JordanRules

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Nightmare fuel:
What if the tRump admin either gets pushed into a situation where they’re try extreme shenanigans to keep the Bureau’s resources tied up, or if they have something along those lines planned?

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2018 • 9:54:36am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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more moron…

Show your work, dickhead! Release the “climate surveys” that your DOJ is withholding.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:55:05am

re: #233 dangerman

the story a day or so ago was that apparently his staff does some of the tweeting for him

we literally do not know whose hands are on the keyboard and whether or not trump himself vets every tweet

Which is fine since all the devices are hacked anyway. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:55:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:56:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:57:02am

he’s just nutz

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 9:57:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 9:58:31am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 9:58:35am

re: #234 Teukka

Nightmare fuel:
What if the tRump admin either gets pushed into a situation where they’re try extreme shenanigans to keep the Bureau’s resources tied up, or if they have something along those lines planned?

No more fuel!!!!! My nightmares are already on fire.
There are no red lines. We have no idea what awaits but extreme shenanigans are definitely in play. The desperation is palpable.

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Skip Intro  May 23, 2018 • 9:58:49am

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2018 • 9:59:03am

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s just nutz

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He is, but he’s also setting up the next talking point for the press, i.e. “This is Spygate and anybody who denies that is covering up for the criminals.” Don’t be surprised when you see the press slowly moving to call this “Spygate.”

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whitebeach  May 23, 2018 • 9:59:10am

re: #203 JordanRules

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James Patterson. At least he has for years given credit to the people who actually write “his” books. Unlike, say, Tom Clancy and others.

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 9:59:25am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Hellmouth won’t be stopped that easily.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 23, 2018 • 10:01:41am

re: #243 Skip Intro

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 10:01:49am
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Mike Lamb  May 23, 2018 • 10:02:19am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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more moron…

Please, intrepid journalamists, take a poll of FBI employees…

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 10:03:06am
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Mike Lamb  May 23, 2018 • 10:03:33am

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s just nutz

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I’d like to say that I will lose my dog-damned fucking mind when the media starts using the framing “Spygate”—but it’s going to happen, and I need my brain until I leave for vacation, so I won’t say it.

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 10:03:41am

My wife works pretty close to where That Asshole is going to appear today.

A cow-orker who went by the site said that protesters outnumber supporters by about 4 to 1.

This surprises me, TBH. Nassau County is pretty solid Trump Country, complete with a Republican county executive who, along with his wife, was indicted for bribery.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 23, 2018 • 10:04:16am

re: #250 jaunte

Bot-like username detected.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 10:04:29am
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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 23, 2018 • 10:05:41am

re: #254 JordanRules

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2018 • 10:05:48am

By Sunday, it will be “Spygate” to the press, at least those elements who want to keep their “access” to the White House intact.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 10:06:10am

re: #232 JordanRules

They planted such good evidence that it was never found until two years after the election.

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 10:06:57am

re: #233 dangerman

the story a day or so ago was that apparently his staff does some of the tweeting for him

we literally do not know whose hands are on the keyboard and whether or not trump himself vets every tweet

think about that - not just mueller, russiagate, cohen, and other outrages du jour

consider topics of foreign and domestic policy

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Dr. Matt  May 23, 2018 • 10:06:58am

re: #254 JordanRules

How the hell is snowflake going to unblock the tens of thousands of people he has already blocked?

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 10:07:20am
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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 10:08:04am

re: #259 Dr. Matt

I have a feeling he’s just going to say, “well, the court has ruled, now let them enforce it.”

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sagehen  May 23, 2018 • 10:08:48am

re: #202 freetoken

For those who missed yesterday’s bad lip reading:

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A bit of wedding trivia I just learned yesterday…

Meghan’s stunning veil, that had embroidered on it all 53 flowers of the Commonwealth nations…

ALSO HAD A CALIFORNIA POPPY!!

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 10:09:02am
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BeachDem  May 23, 2018 • 10:09:23am

re: #225 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 10:10:29am

re: #258 dangerman

think about that - not just mueller, russiagate, cohen, and other outrages du jour

consider topics of foreign and domestic policy

and ill go you one further:

…being tweeted by dreaded “unelected” staff and aides

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 10:18:19am

in Koreatown, L.A.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 10:19:09am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

in Koreatown, L.A.

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2018 • 10:19:49am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

in Koreatown, L.A.

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“Where are you papers? Show me your papers!”

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 10:20:45am

re: #196 JordanRules

ABC News Politics ✔
@ABCPolitics
NEW: Six families of victims killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, as well as FBI agent who responded to the scene, file defamation lawsuit against radio personality Alex Jones. abcn.ws

11:41 AM - May 23, 2018

I hope they are successful. It sure would be nice if they could win a monetary judgement that puts Alex Jones out of business. This country would be better off without him and hopefully it would cause others like him to shut up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 10:21:32am
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gocart mozart  May 23, 2018 • 10:22:38am

re: #196 JordanRules


Interesting that they filed in Texas. Stronger defamation law?
drive.google.com
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 10:22:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 10:24:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 10:24:55am
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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 10:28:10am
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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 10:28:59am

re: #213 makeitstop

The NFL has unanimously (by the owners) approved assessing a 15 yard penalty for taking a knee.

Figures. The year the Jets actually get a good QB is the year I give the NFL a last, hearty ‘fuck you.’

ESPN NY talker (and former Giant) Troy Canty is going off right now.

I heard some sports radio yakking while out and about this morning.

One fact I heard…the top 50 TV markets (big cities and metro areas) didn’t care about the anthem protests.

That means it was smaller areas of the country that were making the most noise about the protests.

So, the NFL didn’t want to lose any money and set up this stupid policy to not piss off the small market folks.

What would happen to the NFL’s thinking if the large markets called them on their crap and for a few games made a point to not watch?

That would cause some scrambling for sure.

One of the complaints was the sport was being made political. I think the NFL just made the sport political.

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 10:29:08am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

in Koreatown, L.A.

[Embedded content]ICE is at the Ralphs on 7th and Western forcing people to show documentation as they leave the store, 670 South Western. FUCK ICE!

every one should refuse to say anything

you dont have to speak
you are not required to explain your status (legal or not)
you dont have to answer questions about birth, citizenship or anything else.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 10:29:22am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nah, the only real witch hunt is a completely legal investigation headed by Republicans of a Republican president who very publicly made overtures to the Russian government and Russian actors during the campaign, and who has since been found to have agreed to meeting Russian representatives in an attempt to sabotage another American and their campaign.

//////

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 10:30:23am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sure the Tea Party will vigorously protest this IRS abuse of power.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 10:35:14am

re: #273 Backwoods_Sleuth

the party of State’s Rights

/

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 10:35:50am
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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 10:36:25am

BTW, that Dave Grohl interview where he dissed Trump is really good.

There’s so much more in that interview than the Trump diss. Grohl just commands my respect as a musician and as a person.

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MsJ  May 23, 2018 • 10:36:29am

re: #246 jaunte

The Hellmouth won’t be stopped that easily.

Maybe we can get Sarah Michelle Geller out of retirement.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 10:37:35am

re: #282 makeitstop

BTW, that Dave Grohl interview where he dissed Trump is really good.

There’s so much more in that interview than the Trump diss. Grohl just commands my respect as a musician and as a person.

We got Grohl. They have Kid Rock. Nuff said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 10:42:35am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 23, 2018 • 10:44:24am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

They’d be labeled as “armed thugs”.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 23, 2018 • 10:45:38am

A sample of the “news” that circulates among the fundamentalist cults in Lubbock:

Facebook Post

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 10:47:14am

sad and not really surprising:

Most Americans don’t realize Robert Mueller’s investigation has uncovered crimes (vox)

A majority of Americans — 59 percent — say in a new survey that Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russia and the 2016 campaign has not yet uncovered evidence of any crimes, even though in reality, Mueller has already obtained five guilty pleas and 17 criminal indictments.

That suggests that
- the press as a whole has not done a good job of actually conveying factual information to our audience,
- that Democrats’ messaging on the investigation has not been clear enough on the most damning point (Trump, even if otherwise innocent, is guilty of hiring crooks and trying to prevent an investigation into their activity),
- and that Trump’s counterstrategy of muddying the waters around the investigation has been fairly successful.

i separated out the three conclusions for clarity and added the bold

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 23, 2018 • 10:47:23am

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A sample of the “news” that circulates among the fundamentalist cults in Lubbock:

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It really all depends on what they were dancing to.

//

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 10:47:44am

re: #252 makeitstop

My wife works pretty close to where That Asshole is going to appear today.

A cow-orker who went by the site said that protesters outnumber supporters by about 4 to 1.

This surprises me, TBH. Nassau County is pretty solid Trump Country, complete with a Republican county executive who, along with his wife, was indicted for bribery.

I think the media has done such a good job talking about the Trump voter and how they feel they completely ignore the left side of things with the Trump non-supporters.

So, in a way it appears Trump has a solid backing, but the reality may be a whole lot different. Maybe that is being shown on Long Island with the protesters. I sure hope that is the case.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 10:47:51am

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A sample of the “news” that circulates among the fundamentalist cults in Lubbock:

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We’re not praising Saudi Arabia, your pal Trump otoh.

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 10:48:28am

re: #286 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They’d be labeled as “armed thugs”.

not the white ones //

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 10:49:08am

re: #290 ObserverArt

I think the media has done such a good job talking about the Trump voter and how they feel they completely ignore the left side of things with the Trump non-supporters.

So, in a way it appears Trump has a solid backing, but the reality may be a whole lot different. Maybe that is being shown on Long Island with the protesters. I sure hope that is the case.

I agree. The media has convinced Trump supporters that all opponents of Trump are a bunch of shadowy elites

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 10:50:02am

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A sample of the “news” that circulates among the fundamentalist cults in Lubbock:

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this is from 2017 pants on fire real fake news

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 10:50:48am

re: #259 Dr. Matt

How the hell is snowflake going to unblock the tens of thousands of people he has already blocked?

I don’t know Twitter’s setup, but maybe they could make Trump’s account not able to block anyone. Since he is using it as a public service maybe twitter needs accounts that have public servant controls and an inability to block people from your country, district, city, township…whoever you are in service too.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 23, 2018 • 10:52:35am

re: #295 ObserverArt

I don’t know Twitter’s setup, but maybe they could make Trump’s account not able to block anyone. Since he is using it as a public service maybe twitter needs accounts that have public servant controls and an inability to block people from your country, district, city, township…whoever you are in service too.

Removing the delete function for office-holders would be good too.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 23, 2018 • 10:53:37am

re: #254 JordanRules

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I’m waiting in line to smack him again!

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BigPapa  May 23, 2018 • 10:53:46am

Hot off the Photoshop Presses:

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makeitstop  May 23, 2018 • 10:55:54am

re: #290 ObserverArt

So, in a way it appears Trump has a solid backing, but the reality may be a whole lot different. Maybe that is being shown on Long Island with the protesters. I sure hope that is the case.

He’s got a fair amount of asshole supporters out here, for sure. Way more than I would have imagined, what with our proximity to NYC and people’s familiarity with what a dick Trump is.

A problem with Trump supporters out here is they aren’t able to shout us down. Everybody’s an asshole out here, and we can give as good as we get. :)

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 10:57:03am

re: #299 makeitstop

He’s got a fair amount of asshole supporters out here, for sure. Way more than I would have imagined, what with our proximity to NYC and people’s familiarity with what a dick Trump is.

A problem with Trump supporters out here is they aren’t able to shout us down. Everybody’s an asshole out here, and we can give as good as we get. :)

The problem with Trump supporters is they’re convinced they’re the only real Americans and that’s aided not only by Trump but the media.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 10:58:25am

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

more moron…

“Many people are saying….”

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 10:59:49am

OT but my genealogical research gets more fascinating. Another potential murder of a fairly close relative.

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 11:00:23am

re: #301 Sir John Barron

“Many people are saying….”

“people will tell you”

All Trump verbal nothingness.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 11:01:04am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“No sir I only asked if you wanted to try a combo.”

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2018 • 11:04:06am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 11:05:25am
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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 11:06:02am

re: #306 JordanRules

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But hey Trumps going to make North Korea great!

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:06:36am

re: #301 Sir John Barron

“Many people are saying….”

Step 1: Trump gets himself into trouble.

Step 2: Some wingnut figures out a really stupid theory why Trump isn’t the one in trouble, it’s really the people who figured out Trump is in trouble.

Step 3: Fox & Friends blares out theory.

Step 4: Trump tweets theory within 40 minutes.

Step 5: Newsmedia report Trump’s tweek.

Step 6: Trump says “Many people are saying [theory]”, when in fact it’s newsmedia reporting that he said it.

Lather, rinse repeat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:07:05am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

But hey Trumps going to make North Korea great!

Just like he makes all his contractors and creditors rich.

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 11:09:40am

Martial Law Clown Show in South Texas

“…It was hard to see how the surge was having an impact on cartel-related crime, or deterring smuggling, as DPS claimed it would. Border Patrol and DPS armored gunboats were already plying the river, so the troopers spent the majority of their time parked along Expressway 83, a major thoroughfare in the Rio Grande Valley, or on Military Highway to the south, issuing warnings and traffic citations. Austin TV station KXAN reviewed all of DPS’ border surge arrests from June 2014 to September 2016 — 31,786 violations in total — and found that just 6 percent were for felony drug possession. Even fewer arrests — 1 percent — were related to human smuggling. The vast majority were for drunk driving or misdemeanor drug possession. It seemed the surge had simply concentrated routine highway enforcement functions along the border, while enforcement dwindled in the rest of the state. In November 2016, the Dallas Morning News reported that traffic citations had risen by 30 percent and warnings by 160 percent in Starr and Hidalgo counties, while in the rest of the state both had fallen by more than 20 percent.”

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 11:11:28am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

But hey Trumps going to make North Korea great!

trump’s supporters would rather their hard earned and paid over tax dollars go to north korea than to their own fellow citizens

and we’re not talking ‘welfare’ or ‘food stamps’ or something for nothing here

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 11:12:04am

re: #310 jaunte

Martial Law Clown Show in South Texas

Erick son of Erick: The butterfly people are bullying me indirectly by bullying ICE.

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 11:13:20am
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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 11:13:26am

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

Step 1: Trump gets himself into trouble.

Step 2: Some wingnut figures out a really stupid theory why Trump isn’t the one in trouble, it’s really the people who figured out Trump is in trouble.

Step 3: Fox & Friends blares out theory.

Step 4: Trump tweets theory within 40 minutes.

Step 5: Newsmedia report Trump’s tweek.

Step 6: Trump says “Many people are saying [theory]”, when in fact it’s newsmedia reporting that he said it.

Lather, rinse repeat.

and today’s effing insane theory is that they’re not “merely accusing the FBI of planting a spy, but of planting evidence.”

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Kragar  May 23, 2018 • 11:14:59am
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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 11:15:09am

re: #313 jaunte

blood-stained killing fields

“Saigon. Shit. I’m still only in Saigon.”

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 11:15:11am

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

Step 1: Trump gets himself into trouble.

Step 2: Some wingnut figures out a really stupid theory why Trump isn’t the one in trouble, it’s really the people who figured out Trump is in trouble.

Step 3: Fox & Friends blares out theory.

Step 4: Trump tweets theory within 40 minutes.

Step 5: Newsmedia report Trump’s tweek.

Step 6: Trump says “Many people are saying [theory]”, when in fact it’s newsmedia reporting that he said it.

Lather, rinse repeat.

Which is similar to the Dick Cheney and Judith Miller method to get America talking about Iraq’s purchasing aluminum tubes for building nukes.

Start a fake ‘leak’ get a willing press accomplice to report as if it is fact and then go out and speak to the media now reporting the fake facts as if it is true because you read it in the papers (that you mislead).

Now it has become a political tool and some in the media still play along.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:15:24am

re: #288 dangerman

sad and not really surprising:

Most Americans don’t realize Robert Mueller’s investigation has uncovered crimes (vox)

i separated out the three conclusions for clarity and added the bold

And I’m not entirely surprised. The only news a lot of people around me get is from Fox.

But, the thing is, Mueller hasn’t made a big deal about it. The investigation needs a spokesperson to get this stuff out. Remember one of the criticisms of the 2009 stimulus passed by Obama and the Democrats was that they didn’t make a show, so people didn’t know anything was going on.

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 11:16:06am

re: #312 Sir John Barron

Erick son of Erick: The butterfly people are bullying me indirectly by bullying ICE.

how dare people exercise their constitional rights that arent numbered “2”

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 11:16:13am

re: #316 Sir John Barron

From the man who said STDs were his personal Vietnam.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:16:28am

re: #315 Kragar

Trump finally figured out he can just bless his son-in-law.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 11:16:30am

re: #313 jaunte

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He needs people scared. That’s what he thrives on.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 11:18:44am

re: #321 Belafon

Trump finally figured out he can just bless his son-in-law.

Yup. Was wondering what took them so long.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:18:48am

re: #319 dangerman

how dare people exercise their constitional rights that arent numbered “2”

And he’d be against about 60% of people exercising that right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:18:50am

re: #314 dangerman

and today’s effing insane theory is that they’re not “merely accusing the FBI of planting a spy, but of planting evidence.”

I despair of ever getting this country back on an even keel.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:19:51am

re: #325 Blind Frog Belly White

I despair of ever getting this country back on an even keel.

It’s up to us.

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Kragar  May 23, 2018 • 11:20:03am
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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 11:20:58am

re: #313 jaunte

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Dangerous rhetoric.
It’s radicalizing and stochastic terrorism will continue to rise.

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Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2018 • 11:21:18am

re: #325 Blind Frog Belly White

I despair of ever getting this country back on an even keel.

Most of what I’ve seen from Trump’s strongest supporters suggests that his redhat brigade already - and genuinely - believes that Mueller and his investigators are fabricating evidence against Trump and his inner circle, that this is all some kind of massive frameup.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 11:26:00am
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Kragar  May 23, 2018 • 11:26:47am
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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 11:26:50am

re: #314 dangerman

and today’s effing insane theory is that they’re not “merely accusing the FBI of planting a spy, but of planting evidence.”

I hope those “others” at the FBI are completely outraged by Trump trashing them and their agency and are now working overtime and on weekends to bring the Orange Creep down.

I hope he has kicked the FBI Hornet’s nest and they are going to sting his fat ass good. Maybe the other government agencies will help because they all know they could be tossed under the bus wheels in a similar manner if need be.

In Trump tone: “FBI, CIA, IRS and other Federal Agencies, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the Russian and other outside countries connections to the Trump campaign that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our people”

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 11:27:07am

re: #327 Kragar

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Then you don’t get to complain about bakers baking goods for gay couples, Mike.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:27:13am

re: #329 Dr Lizardo

Most of what I’ve seen from Trump’s strongest supporters suggests that his redhat brigade already - and genuinely - believes that Mueller and his investigators are fabricating evidence against Trump and his inner circle, that this is all some kind of massive frameup.

40 years of being told that every bad thing they think about Democrats, especially the Clintons and Obamas, is true, and indeed just the tip of the iceberg; and that everything the media report that they don’t like is not only not true but an intentional deception have completely unmoored these people from reality. They no longer use any of the tools of reason and evidence to evaluate truth. Instead, it’s all “Does it fit with what I believe?” Anything that doesn’t must be false, no matter how much evidence there is (and therefore the evidence must also be false) and anything that does must be true, no matter how little evidence for, or how much evidence against.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 11:28:09am

re: #331 Kragar

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So you want to interfere in another country’s judicial affairs….

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:29:10am

I keep seeing pundits talking about a COMING constitutional crisis, but this kinda feels like the old Palmolive commercial - “You’re soaking in it!”

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Citizen K  May 23, 2018 • 11:29:15am

re: #288 dangerman

My problem is that 1 and 2 are distinctly interrelated things. It’s not like there aren’t major Dems who are saying so, and on a regular basis. It’s the fact that god help me it feels impossible to break through the filter that seems to Fox-ify any and all developments and even if the Dem message broke through, it’s immediately turned into a he-said-she-said proposition. Meanwhile, if any sort of Dem malfeasance comes up, it’s covered in stark, judgmental language and all the GOPers get to chime in, at length.

Yes, Dems need to fight to be heard, but there needs to be something that stops treating it like it’s an equal battle.

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Weaselone  May 23, 2018 • 11:29:31am

re: #327 Kragar

How exactly is this “a stunning victory for Trump”?

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Barefoot Grin  May 23, 2018 • 11:29:54am

re: #315 Kragar

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Deep State strikes again! ////

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:31:19am

re: #338 Weaselone

How exactly is this “a stunning victory for Trump”?

He got the NFL to pass a ‘Dance, N****r, Dance’ rule.

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Citizen K  May 23, 2018 • 11:31:34am

re: #338 Weaselone

How exactly is this “a stunning victory for Trump”?

Because everything that ensures that black protest is stifled and delegitimized is a Victory for Trump.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 11:32:17am

re: #338 Weaselone

How exactly is this “a stunning victory for Trump”?

What do the Orange Yam and his mini me say when whole teams stay in the locker room for the anthem?

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Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2018 • 11:34:01am

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s like I’ve observed over the past couple of years - these folks are living in a completely alternate reality.

The USA is gonna need some kind of major de-programming effort when all this is said and done; we have to face the fact that about 40% of the population are, in essence, members of a cult.

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 11:34:58am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

He got the NFL to pass a ‘Dance, N****r, Dance’ rule.

I would support Black Americans turning off NFL games for however long it takes the NFL to realize that might cut into their revenue much deeper than a bunch of angry and cranky White folk crying about it all…but still probably watching the games anyway…just saying they don’t.

You want a economics war your owners will not want…keep it up NFL.

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Citizen K  May 23, 2018 • 11:35:20am

re: #343 Dr Lizardo

It’s like I’ve observed over the past couple of years - these folks are living in a completely alternate reality.

The USA is gonna need some kind of major de-programming effort when all this is said and done; we have to face the fact that about 40% of the population are, in essence, members of a cult.

It’s especially galling when the media covers that 40% like they’re literally the only part of the country that matters.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:36:04am

re: #331 Kragar

So do white supremacists.

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jaunte  May 23, 2018 • 11:37:07am
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The Ghost of a Flea  May 23, 2018 • 11:38:30am

Jumping in to point out that, in addition to everything is this thread, people should pause and consider that the Sante Fe murderer’s dad is using the same empty good guy/bad guy construct that gun fetishists and Duterte stans use: where the killer gets to be the umpire and the aggrieved party, and “bad guy” is assigned after the fact.

It’s solving the problem by re-defining the problem. If the value of “good” has to be shortened not only to exclude that final murder spree, but also the trimming of all context that suggests things other than “good”—then “good” means nothing.

And that’s the point. You can always be moral if you have license to declare an act moral retroactively.

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Weaselone  May 23, 2018 • 11:39:01am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

He got the NFL to pass a ‘Dance, N****r, Dance’ rule.

I get that…but this is also sort of a lowered expectations things. “In a stunning victory for Trump, Roger Goodell pisses on a caricature of Obama inside a toilet installed in the Oval Office.”

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:39:12am

re: #344 ObserverArt

I would support Black Americans turning off NFL games for however long it takes the NFL to realize that might cut into their revenue much deeper than a bunch of angry and cranky White folk crying about it all…but still probably watching the games anyway…just saying they don’t.

You want a economics war your owners will not want…keep it up NFL.

What it will take is ticket buyers to stop buying them, and that will have to include whites that buy them.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 11:39:17am

re: #348 The Ghost of a Flea

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Jumping in to point out that, in addition to everything is this thread, people should pause and consider that the Sante Fe murderer’s dad is using the same empty good guy/bad guy construct that gun fetishists and Duterte stans use: where the killer gets to be the umpire and the aggrieved party, and “bad guy” is assigned after the fact.

It’s solving the problem by re-defining the problem. If the value of “good” has to be shortened not only to exclude that final murder spree, but also the trimming of all context that suggests things other than “good”—then “good” means nothing.

And that’s the point. You can always be moral if you have license to declare an act moral retroactively.

Your son murdered ten people dude.

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 11:39:21am

re: #345 Citizen K

It’s especially galling when the media covers that 40% like they’re literally the only part of the country that matters.

There is probably some reality to that thinking. Maybe that 40% makes up 80% of the media companies revenue.

What if liberals and progressives have already given up on the classic media and are going to the web and social media to spread the news?

What we have may be one side of the political spectrum supporting the old media and the media is forced to cater to them to stay in business.

If that is the case, then we are paying for the changes now in really tough ways.

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 11:40:48am

re: #350 Belafon

What it will take is ticket buyers to stop buying them, and that will have to include whites that buy them.

I gave my two cents. I have a feeling I’m really going to piss some people off but I don’t care. I’m tired of forced patriotism and this is even worse since it was solely done to appease Trump.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 11:40:51am

re: #348 The Ghost of a Flea

“My son, to me, is not a criminal, he’s a victim.” Father of Santa Fe High School shooting suspect says he believes his son lashed out because he was bullied. apnews.com

— AP Central U.S.

Oh for heaven’s sake.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 23, 2018 • 11:41:01am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Your son murdered ten people dude.

His son murdered ten people using exactly the same “I get to kill because I think they’re bad, because my feelings are equivalent to morality and law” standard that we see all the time now.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:42:02am

re: #343 Dr Lizardo

It’s like I’ve observed over the past couple of years - these folks are living in a completely alternate reality.

The USA is gonna need some kind of major de-programming effort when all this is said and done; we have to face the fact that about 40% of the population are, in essence, members of a cult.

A big part of the problem is that they have been rewarded for their behavior. The system has a bias for conservatives, for sure, but due to a lot of crappy attitudes by liberals - I’ll vote for who I want damn the consequences, I won’t vote, etc. - they have had power for far longer than they should have. One of the ways to make them wake up is for their beliefs to finally get beaten by reality. That’s going to take a lot of the left to do their part.

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Sir John Barron  May 23, 2018 • 11:42:13am

re: #355 The Ghost of a Flea

His son murdered ten people using exactly the same “I get to kill because I think they’re bad, because my feelings are equivalent to morality and law” standard that we see all the time now.

“Guns aren’t the problem, the problem really is”:
1. video games
2. abortion
3. no prayer in school
4. girls not accepting dates and physical advances from my son.

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plansbandc  May 23, 2018 • 11:42:47am

This is the man she called the police on. :D

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 11:42:57am

re: #357 Sir John Barron

“Guns aren’t the problem, the problem really is”:
1. video games
2. abortion
3. no prayer in school
4. girls not accepting dates and physical advances from my son.

5) Doors

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:43:29am

re: #348 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m wondering when it became a thing to pay so much attention to the murderer’s family. I mean, they ALMOST NEVER saw it coming, and they are trying to fit the reality that their child is a monster into their world.

Similarly, asking the families of victims what punishment the murderer should get. They’re not thinking straight. Why ask them?

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Citizen K  May 23, 2018 • 11:43:51am

re: #352 ObserverArt

There is probably some reality to that thinking. Maybe that 40% makes up 80% of the media companies revenue.

What if liberals and progressives have already given up on the classic media and are going to the web and social media to spread the news?

What we have may be one side of the political spectrum supporting the old media and the media is forced to cater to them to stay in business.

If that is the case, then we are paying for the changes now in really tough ways.

The New York Times.

That’s the big counterfactual to that possibility. Their main readerbase, dead tree and online, is still left-of-center because the only ones left of Limbaugh who don’t treat the paper as the Pariah of All Hate For America are those who want to troll its comments pages and Trump, vacillating between treating it like ‘fake news’ and desperately wanting it’s approval as a New York paper.

All the while running its 5000th hagiography of Trump Country, the latest Bari Weiss piece telling us how Liberal College Students have murdered free speech in its cradle, and Bret Stephens telling us how Pruitt is God’s gift to the EPA.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:43:55am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

5) Doors

6) Trenchcoats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2018 • 11:44:43am

re: #362 Blind Frog Belly White

6) Trenchcoats.

7) Ritalin

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wrenchwench  May 23, 2018 • 11:45:24am

re: #362 Blind Frog Belly White

6) Trenchcoats.

Trench coats on a hot Texas day should be a sign of—something.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:46:07am

re: #352 ObserverArt

There is probably some reality to that thinking. Maybe that 40% makes up 80% of the media companies revenue.

What if liberals and progressives have already given up on the classic media and are going to the web and social media to spread the news?

What we have may be one side of the political spectrum supporting the old media and the media is forced to cater to them to stay in business.

If that is the case, then we are paying for the changes now in really tough ways.

That was one of the things I thought about last year. Liberals should pick one of the three major news channels, and not only watch it frequently, but email, tweet at, and call in to force the channel to pay more attention to the left. And they should do the same thing to local channels.

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KGxvi  May 23, 2018 • 11:46:29am

re: #350 Belafon

What it will take is ticket buyers to stop buying them, and that will have to include whites that buy them.

the real money, especially in the NFL but across all profession/college sports, is in the TV deals. And the money they get is mostly locked in but based on ratings. Turning off the TV will matter, but that has a downstream effect economically - a lot of bars in urban areas have multiple games and the Sunday Ticket package so people can watch all the games while they drink and/or eat.

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 11:46:41am

re: #350 Belafon

What it will take is ticket buyers to stop buying them, and that will have to include whites that buy them.

I don’t think we are too far away from that happening. If the right messenger comes out and says somethin like “don’t go to NFL games, don’t buy NFL gear/swag and do not watch NFL games on TV for one month because this needs to be done to send a message that we are all sick and tired of being shut up and made political pawns by Trump” the NFL will be in a tough spot.

They are saying the decision was all about revenue. Make it about the revenue…only make it tough and real from the left. We have money too.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:47:29am

re: #361 Citizen K

The New York Times.

That’s the big counterfactual to that possibility. Their main readerbase, dead tree and online, is still left-of-center because the only ones left of Limbaugh who don’t treat the paper as the Pariah of All Hate For America are those who want to troll its comments pages and Trump, vacillating between treating it like ‘fake news’ and desperately wanting it’s approval as a New York paper.

All the while running its 5000th hagiography of Trump Country, the latest Bari Weiss piece telling us how Liberal College Students have murdered free speech in its cradle, and Bret Stephens telling us how Pruitt is God’s gift to the EPA.

I figured the NYT base was Wall Street. It was the job of the NY Daily News to represent the locals.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 11:47:30am

re: #356 Belafon

A big part of the problem is that they have been rewarded for their behavior. The system has a bias for conservatives, for sure, but due to a lot of crappy attitudes by liberals - I’ll vote for who I want damn the consequences, I won’t vote, etc. - they have had power for far longer than they should have. One of the ways to make them wake up is for their beliefs to finally get beaten by reality. That’s going to take a lot of the left to do their part.

I think the conservative-powerful-SWM bias is baked into the model and sustains itself. I don’t think liberals’ attitude, which isn’t a monolith, has much to do with it.

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Renaissance_Man  May 23, 2018 • 11:47:49am

re: #360 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m wondering when it became a thing to pay so much attention to the murderer’s family. I mean, they ALMOST NEVER saw it coming, and they are trying to fit the reality that their child is a monster into their world.

Similarly, asking the families of victims what punishment the murderer should get. They’re not thinking straight. Why ask them?

Only white families are asked, because that normalises them and the perpetrator. Black families are not asked - they are investigated and blamed, to find anything to put the victim or perpetrator on the outside.

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 11:48:35am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

I gave my two cents. I have a feeling I’m really going to piss some people off but I don’t care. I’m tired of forced patriotism and this is even worse since it was solely done to appease Trump.

It was done to not lose one dime. Trump benefits because of the owners greed. Make them pay in the way they least want it to turn. Hurt them hard on revenue.

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Belafon  May 23, 2018 • 11:50:22am

re: #369 JordanRules

I think the conservative-powerful-SWM bias is baked into the model and sustains itself. I don’t think liberals’ attitude, which isn’t a monolith, has much to do with it.

It’s isn’t a monolith. Some are willing to give up a mile if they don’t get their inch. Some don’t want to be sullied by the process altogether.

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Citizen K  May 23, 2018 • 11:50:35am

Meanwhile…

Daniel Dale further live tweeting the atrocities. I couldn’t get past more than a handful before putting my face in my hands and holding back a sob.

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ObserverArt  May 23, 2018 • 11:55:57am

re: #361 Citizen K

The New York Times.

That’s the big counterfactual to that possibility. Their main readerbase, dead tree and online, is still left-of-center because the only ones left of Limbaugh who don’t treat the paper as the Pariah of All Hate For America are those who want to troll its comments pages and Trump, vacillating between treating it like ‘fake news’ and desperately wanting it’s approval as a New York paper.

All the while running its 5000th hagiography of Trump Country, the latest Bari Weiss piece telling us how Liberal College Students have murdered free speech in its cradle, and Bret Stephens telling us how Pruitt is God’s gift to the EPA.

All I can say is I have given up on the Times to be what it should be. I think many here at LGF have told them to piss off too.

Are you giving the NY Times too much credit because of their stature?

How do we know they haven’t already decided to go more center right to attract what they may be seeing as a trend of their real customers.

Things are a mess and are changing. Trump is causing all kinds of reactions in all different directions and people are scrambling. I have a feeling nothing is as it was even 5 years ago.

The problem with messy times is it can cost in so many ways. We are at war in this country and the sides are being chosen and tactics are being worked out. It is a political culture war. The 20th Century versus the 21st and Future.

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JordanRules  May 23, 2018 • 11:58:08am

re: #372 Belafon

It’s isn’t a monolith. Some are willing to give up a mile if they don’t get their inch. Some don’t want to be sullied by the process altogether.

And the media can nutpick and use that as an excuse, I suppose, but that’s all it is. It doesn’t change the fact that this institution is steeped in the same issues effecting society at large. They reflect the powerful and mostly straight white male default and do not challenge their own biases enough; they serve a profit model which continues to reward a history of marginalization. The normalizing of this 2016 and onward iteration white supremacy and fascism is on display so fiercely as a reminder.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 23, 2018 • 11:58:51am

re: #370 Renaissance_Man

Only white families are asked, because that normalises them and the perpetrator. Black families are not asked - they are investigated and blamed, to find anything to put the victim or perpetrator on the outside.

True. Both white murderers’ families, and black victims’ families are asked where their child went wrong.

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dangerman  May 23, 2018 • 12:07:44pm

re: #337 Citizen K

My problem is that 1 and 2 are distinctly interrelated things. It’s not like there aren’t major Dems who are saying so, and on a regular basis. It’s the fact that god help me it feels impossible to break through the filter that seems to Fox-ify any and all developments and even if the Dem message broke through, it’s immediately turned into a he-said-she-said proposition. Meanwhile, if any sort of Dem malfeasance comes up, it’s covered in stark, judgmental language and all the GOPers get to chime in, at length.

Yes, Dems need to fight to be heard, but there needs to be something that stops treating it like it’s an equal battle.

well said

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HappyWarrior  May 23, 2018 • 12:16:33pm

re: #373 Citizen K

Meanwhile…

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Daniel Dale further live tweeting the atrocities. I couldn’t get past more than a handful before putting my face in my hands and holding back a sob.

He had a chance to clarify he was only talking about the gang members, instead he labeled every child crossing the border as a gang member. Fuck him.

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Eventual Carrion  May 23, 2018 • 12:18:27pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

in Koreatown, L.A.

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