So Much Winning: After Touting Himself for the Nobel Peace Prize and Commissioning Medals, Trump Cancels Nuclear Summit With Kim Jong Un

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This is so utterly pathetic it makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time: Trump cancels nuclear summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

President Trump on Thursday canceled a summit next month with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, citing “tremendous anger and open hostility” from the rogue nation in a letter explaining his abrupt decision.

“I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting,” Trump wrote to Kim in a letter the White House released Thursday morning.

Here’s the absurdly childish letter Trump released. You can tell he wrote it himself because it’s so awkward and moronic.

Oh, and if you paid actual money for one of Trump’s scam “summit coins“…

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296 comments

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lawhawk  May 24, 2018 • 12:03:31pm

Trump never should have agreed to the summit in the first place because he elevated North Korea to parity all by dropping the precondition North Korea dismantle its nuclear program first.

But with that in the bag and US leverage vastly reduced, Trump doubled down on the derp all while North Korea used new-found leverage to make demands on South Korea, the US, and Japan to stop military drills and other actions.

North Korea gained while the US lost. Trump had so many unforced errors, and the latest was in canceling the summit and making North Korea look like the reasonable ones - Jong Un can go back to his own country and claim he’s got the power and prestige and is the rational one here, while Trump and the US can’t be trusted.

And he’d be right. Trump can’t be trusted and is irrational.

Nothing Trump’s done has improved US national security. The opposite is true: Trump has repeatedly undermined our national security with irrational and reactionary responses to outside stimulus. At same time, he’s thrown our allies under the bus and left them hanging - as they did today by not giving any advance notice to South Korea that we’re canceling the summit.

Trump is a menace to everything the US stands for - or should stand for.

And the benefits all inure to our enemies and rivals on the international stage, whether it’s Russia, China, or rogues like North Korea or Iran.

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Kragar  May 24, 2018 • 12:04:18pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 24, 2018 • 12:04:33pm

Everyone’s talking about the impropriety of having one of Trump’s private lawyers be in the meeting today but there’s something else I haven’t heard mentioned yet with regards to Flood’s presence.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:07:10pm

Rocks huh?

Does sound familiar though.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:08:05pm
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Scottish Dragon  May 24, 2018 • 12:10:09pm
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Kragar  May 24, 2018 • 12:10:09pm
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makeitstop  May 24, 2018 • 12:10:30pm

Man, New York sports radio is hammering the NFL, and by extension Trump, on the new rule.

Michael Kay just brought up Trump’s ‘maybe you shouldn’t be in the country’ quote and said

‘Trump couldn’t buy an NFL football team, but now he owns the league.’

For a station (WEPN, ESPN’s NY affiliate) with a very strict ‘no politics’ rule, they are hammering away on this for two days now.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:10:46pm

Who raised these people???

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 12:12:16pm

That letter is so poorly written that it just drives me nuts. Switching from “we” to “I” is so incredibly annoying and easy to fix with a simple proof reading. The grammar is horrendous in general, but this sentence makes me want to run full speed into a brick wall and then over a cliff:

“We were informed that the meeting was requested by North Korea, but that to us is totally irrelevant.”

If that was included in a ninth grade essay, it’d get a C-.

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Jenner7  May 24, 2018 • 12:13:32pm
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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:14:32pm

re: #11 Jenner7

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 12:14:51pm

re: #7 Kragar

I thought Flood was White House Counsel and not Trump’s personal attorney, as in Flood’s client is the office/institution of the president rather than the individual. Or did I miss something?

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2018 • 12:16:04pm
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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 12:17:03pm

re: #13 KGxvi

I thought Flood was White House Counsel and not Trump’s personal attorney, as in Flood’s client is the office/institution of the president rather than the individual. Or did I miss something?

Did you miss where Trump calls them “My Lawyers?”

That is how he thinks. He is president…it is all his, the government, the NFL, everything!

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2018 • 12:17:04pm

re: #10 KGxvi

That letter is so poorly written that it just drives me nuts. Switching from “we” to “I” is so incredibly annoying and easy to fix with a simple proof reading. The grammar is horrendous in general, but this sentence makes me want to run full speed into a brick wall and then over a cliff:

If that was included in a ninth grade essay, it’d get a C-.

Daily Beast has a report that Trump dictated every word of it. Which you can tell just by reading it. The bad writing and awkward boasting is pure Trump.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 12:18:11pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Daily Beast has a report that Trump dictated every word of it. Which you can tell just by reading it. The bad writing and awkward boasting is pure Trump.

I had guessed Stephen Miller earlier on twitter, but yeah, it doesn’t surprise me that it was Trump word for word.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 12:18:20pm

re: #9 JordanRules

Who raised these people???

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Trump encourages this shit.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2018 • 12:19:02pm

re: #4 JordanRules

Rocks huh?

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Does sound familiar though.

Thought it was 2x4’s

fucking liars

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 12:19:18pm

Meanwhile, in my Maryland county four three Richard Spencer wannabees sprayed racist and homophobic graffiti at a school and managed to get themselves busted.

baltimoresun.com

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Kragar  May 24, 2018 • 12:21:12pm
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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:21:38pm

re: #19 Stanley Sea

Thought it was 2x4’s

fucking liars

2x4s was the excuse for the older border murder I believe. It got muddled last night because we were talking about both.

This is so damned upsetting.

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2018 • 12:21:45pm
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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 12:24:22pm

re: #15 ObserverArt

Did you miss where Trump calls them “My Lawyers?”

That is how he thinks. He is president…it is all his, the government, the NFL, everything!

Trump can keep pretending to be Louis XIV (“L’Etat, c’est moi”), but the rest of us have an obligation to come correct on facts and circumstances. If this grand experiment of ours is to survive Trump, it is imperative that we do not allow this con man to gaslight history.

I’m not sure what difference Flood’s designation makes in this particular case, but I believe it will matter when the cards are on the table.

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meteor  May 24, 2018 • 12:25:30pm
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DodgerFan1988  May 24, 2018 • 12:25:47pm

The NRA arguing the 1st Amendment is to blame for mass shootings and need to be gutted.

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Scottish Dragon  May 24, 2018 • 12:26:22pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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Get ready for the no notice war.

He wants a war. He wants to use his toy soldiers and tanks and airplanes. God help us all.

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2018 • 12:27:05pm
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 12:27:40pm

re: #26 DodgerFan1988

The NRA arguing the 1st Amendment is to blame for mass shootings and need to be gutted.

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Glorification of carnage? Rich coming from the organization that encourages people to fear everyone and shoot them if they do much as look at you wrong. BTW Ollie North actually consulted on a best selling video game but that was okay since Ollie got paid.

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 12:28:30pm

re: #26 DodgerFan1988

“It’s time to put an end to this glorification of carnage in pursuit of ratings because it’s killing our kids. It’s time for Congress to step up and pass legislation putting common sense limitations on #MSM’s ability to report on these school shootings

I guess they think they’re being amusing.

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Scottish Dragon  May 24, 2018 • 12:29:00pm

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:29:23pm

re: #30 Sir John Barron

I guess they think they’re being amusing.

I don’t think so. I’d bet they are serious as hell.

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Belafon  May 24, 2018 • 12:29:57pm

re: #26 DodgerFan1988

The NRA arguing the 1st Amendment is to blame for mass shootings and need to be gutted.

If we just ignore them, they won’t make people want to pass gun legislation.

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lawhawk  May 24, 2018 • 12:30:22pm
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S'latch  May 24, 2018 • 12:31:05pm

That’s the stupidest letter for the circumstances that I can imagine.

It’s like a big “I hate you! You’re bad! It’s your fault we don’t get to summit! Fuck you! But, let’s do it again sometime!”

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 12:31:05pm

re: #32 JordanRules

I don’t think so. I’d bet they are serious as hell.

Their use of “common sense limitations” is an echo of some gun control advocates. So they put this statement out, hoping people will be outraged by such a flagrant disregard for first amendment rights, so they can then say that “common sense gun restrictions” are equally egregious.

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Mike Lamb  May 24, 2018 • 12:31:35pm

re: #26 DodgerFan1988

The NRA arguing the 1st Amendment is to blame for mass shootings and need to be gutted.

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Wait…so the 2nd Amendment is an absolute right that cannot be infringed upon, but the 1st is subject to limitations? What in the actual factual fuck?

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2018 • 12:32:47pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 24, 2018 • 12:33:58pm

Diplomacy is hard. It has gone bad even with some of the smartest people in the world in charge (think Munich). With amateurs and criminals running the show, disaster is almost guaranteed.

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Mike Lamb  May 24, 2018 • 12:34:03pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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Well…we made it so the CDC can’t report on gun violence. Why stop there?

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Kragar  May 24, 2018 • 12:34:59pm
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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2018 • 12:35:46pm
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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:35:58pm

re: #36 Sir John Barron

Their use of “common sense limitations” is an echo of some gun control advocates. So they put this statement out, hoping people will be outraged by such a flagrant disregard for first amendment rights, so they can then say that “common sense gun restrictions” are equally egregious.

All true and I still think the Russian backed NRA will happily and earnestly remix the Constitution. They already agree with limits on the 1st as Pence so proudly celebrated yesterday.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 12:36:07pm

re: #36 Sir John Barron

Their use of “common sense limitations” is an echo of some gun control advocates. So they put this statement out, hoping people will be outraged by such a flagrant disregard for first amendment rights, so they can then say that “common sense gun restrictions” are equally egregious.

I dunno. I’ve seen them talk before. They seem serious about censoring media.

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Citizen K  May 24, 2018 • 12:36:36pm

Sigh…

My would-be sabbatical from politics didn’t even last a day. Because the rot seems to be soaking into everything and reminding me how fucking upended shit is, and how gleeful the rat bastards are that protest is criminalized and stigmatized. And how the media continues to consistently give Trump the benefit of the doubt while turning around and immediately casting Dems in the most delegitimizing light possible, forever and anon.

Make the world fucking stop, please….

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 12:36:46pm

re: #41 Kragar

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I really want to see them investigated by Mueller and bankrupted.

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Scottish Dragon  May 24, 2018 • 12:36:48pm
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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:39:35pm

*sad trombone*

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Kragar  May 24, 2018 • 12:44:59pm
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 12:45:02pm

re: #48 JordanRules

*sad trombone*

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Ha-Ha!

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:45:32pm
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BadgerB  May 24, 2018 • 12:47:19pm

re: #37 Mike Lamb

Wait…so the 2nd Amendment is an absolute right that cannot be infringed upon, but the 1st is subject to limitations? What in the actual factual fuck?

Without listening to the actual video I assumed it was lame debating trick,
NRA Open: “What we need to do is censor the media”
Reporter falling into ‘trap’: “you can’t do that, free speech is protected by the 1st Amendment”
NRA Close: “Oh, so the Bill of Rights matters when its something YOU care about but not when its something real Americans care about.”

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 12:47:57pm

re: #36 Sir John Barron

Their use of “common sense limitations” is an echo of some gun control advocates. So they put this statement out, hoping people will be outraged by such a flagrant disregard for first amendment rights, so they can then say that “common sense gun restrictions” are equally egregious.

Can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater.

Can’t incite imminent lawless action/sedition.

No first amendment right to commit defamation.

No first amendment right to commit fraud.

No first amendment protection for “fighting words.”

Can’t publish child pornography.

I could go on, but, yeah…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 24, 2018 • 12:48:10pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:48:53pm
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 12:50:15pm

re: #53 KGxvi

Can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater.

Can’t incite imminent lawless action/sedition.

No first amendment right to commit defamation.

No first amendment right to commit fraud.

No first amendment protection for “fighting words.”

Can’t publish child pornography.

I could go on, but, yeah…

Right. But the NRA will tell you that we can’t limit the 2nd at all which is bullshit.

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A Mom Anon  May 24, 2018 • 12:50:25pm

If there’s proof of crimes being committed here then why is no one being arrested? There was a young woman in GA I think who leaked classified info as a member of the military and her ass is in jail. These motherfuckers have done way worse, they aren’t hiding , and they’re walking around free. Why? If anything, this is more urgent than this case or even Chelsea Manning just by the scale. I know Mueller has to do a thorough job and all, but this is going to wreck the nation, maybe forever. This has to stop. Why isn’t it?

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:51:35pm
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Mike Lamb  May 24, 2018 • 12:52:00pm

re: #55 JordanRules

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Aside from the fact that the 2nd Amendment has a specific reference to regulation…

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lawhawk  May 24, 2018 • 12:52:26pm

re: #55 JordanRules

It figures that the NRA thinks that the 1A is absolute - when it isn’t, while the very plain English of the 2A sets regulation in the very first sentence: “A well regulated militia…”

It’s just the NRA and GOP have written that out of the law despite their claims that they’re originalists/contextualists. They want their guns sold, and they don’t care about the body count.

This is just so much more of the usual smoke screen.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:53:48pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 24, 2018 • 12:54:03pm

The right wing will not engage is substantive discussion, or even tell the truth, because it is committed to a massive outburst of violence, including, if possible, the wholesale massacre of minorities, immigrants, and political opponents. Between the NRA’s insurrectionist sales pitch, the Russian-sponsored conspiracy industry’s incitement, and the evangelicals’ apocalyptic fantasies, they have been preparing the ground for it for years. Koch sponsored fake history and Fox propaganda convince them their enemies are helpless and Rambo fantasies that they can defeat the regular army. The pot is bubbling and it is likely to boil over if the evil right is defeated in November, certainly in 2020.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 12:54:24pm

re: #61 JordanRules

“Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a meeting in the Oval in ten minutes…”

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Mike Lamb  May 24, 2018 • 12:55:54pm

re: #41 Kragar

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As shitty as how the owners approached the enactment of the policy, I don’t know that this Bongino dope really read what the policy states. First, these guys can pay any fines that are handed down (to say nothing of the fact that some teams have already announced that they would pay the fines on behalf of the players). I therefore expect some to continue to kneel as an FU. Second, what’s this fucker going to think when half the team stays in the locker room? Oh wait, I know the answer to that—he’ll scream bloody murder and demand that they can’t even do that.

And the other weird part of this shit is that Mr. Steroid here somehow seems to think that it’s HIS time when the NFL players are kneeling.

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Targetpractice  May 24, 2018 • 12:58:51pm

re: #64 Mike Lamb

As shitty as how the owners approached the enactment of the policy, I don’t know that this Bongino dope really read what the policy states. First, these guys can pay any fines that are handed down (to say nothing of the fact that some teams have already announced that they would pay the fines on behalf of the players). Second, what’s this fucker going to think when half the team stays in the locker room? Oh wait, I know the answer to that—he’ll scream bloody murder and demand that they can’t even do that.

And the other weird part of this shit is that Mr. Steroid here somehow seems to think that it’s HIS time when the NFL players are kneeling.

That was my thought earlier as well: What is the wingnut response going to be when the season starts and one or more teams stay in the locker room through the Anthem rather than taking the field? They’re gonna loose what little of their minds remain and demand the League change the rules again to say that they can’t do that.

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Citizen K  May 24, 2018 • 12:59:01pm

re: #64 Mike Lamb

As shitty as how the owners approached the enactment of the policy, I don’t know that this Bongino dope really read what the policy states. First, these guys can pay any fines that are handed down (to say nothing of the fact that some teams have already announced that they would pay the fines on behalf of the players). Second, what’s this fucker going to think when half the team stays in the locker room? Oh wait, I know the answer to that—he’ll scream bloody murder and demand that they can’t even do that.

And the other weird part of this shit is that Mr. Steroid here somehow seems to think that it’s HIS time when the NFL players are kneeling.

This is what I simply do not get: what is actually getting fucking disrupted by this action? What does it actually fucking hurt? What does it actually do to disturb the game? It’s not even like wearing a political sticker or pin in an office job or anything, it’s not a lingering presence through their entire job. It’s a matter of a minute’s action, but somehow it’s the greatest fucking treason ever and needs to be made an example of because fuckers like Bongino believe they literally decide what is right in America or not.

The sad fucking thing is that he may be right on that measure, because our entire civil society seems to have surrendered to the alt-right and the NRA.

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Dr. Matt  May 24, 2018 • 12:59:07pm

Has anyone else received “important updates to our privacy policy” emails from just about every group today? I’m not kidding, I have received such emails from Metallica, The Scientist, Yelp, European Medical Journal, Musician’s Friend, American Society of Clinical Oncology, and so on and so on and so on….. Did some new law or benchmark occur today?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 24, 2018 • 12:59:10pm

I am simultaneously amused and horrified by that lying fool who makes a good living telling RWNJs that they can defeat tanks by “ambushing their fuel trucks.” Right, and the meal team sixers could infallibly take up their ambush positions without being counter ambushed by military patrols. Let them try it, trained infantry would hunt them like game.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 12:59:30pm

I’m still reeling over the fact that more American children are murdered at school than our armed services members at war.

I can barely wrap my mind around this. So much is so broken.

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Dr. Matt  May 24, 2018 • 1:00:20pm

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I am simultaneously amused and horrified by that lying fool who makes a good living telling RWNJs that they can defeat tanks by “ambushing their fuel trucks.” Right, and the meal team sixers could infallibly take up their ambush positions without being counter ambushed by military patrols. Let them try it, trained infantry would hunt them like game.

Yeah, because the rear echelon are a bunch of vulnerable snowflakes.

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Citizen K  May 24, 2018 • 1:01:29pm

re: #69 JordanRules

I’m still reeling over the fact that more American children are murdered at school than our armed services members at war.

I can barely wrap my mind around this. So much is so broken.

Acceptable casualties in the NRA’s gleeful culture war.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:02:53pm

re: #67 Dr. Matt

Has anyone else received “important updates to our privacy policy” emails from just about every group today? I’m not kidding, I have received such emails from Metallica, The Scientist, Yelp, European Medical Journal, Musician’s Friend, American Society of Clinical Oncology, and so on and so on and so on….. Did some new law or benchmark occur today?

Yes I have. And I’ve seen others on the Twitters saying it yesterday and today. Not sure what prompted it.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:03:53pm
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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:04:19pm
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Targetpractice  May 24, 2018 • 1:04:34pm

re: #58 JordanRules

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“We just totally blew up this summit over some mean words said about Mikey, but we’re totally open to Kim wanting to restart the talks!”

It’s like everything else Donny does, it’s dominance politics. He does not negotiate fairly with equals, he dictates terms to those he views as weaker than him. So with the talks approaching quick and no movement on Kim’s part to acknowledge Donny’s “strength,” he saw himself heading into talks that would have shown just how weak his hand was. So he’s now trying to regain the position of dominance by demanding Kim grovel for his favor.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:04:44pm

If they were kneeling to protest legal abortion, they’d be the right’s favorite people ever.

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Mike Lamb  May 24, 2018 • 1:05:54pm

re: #66 Citizen K

This is what I simply do not get: what is actually getting fucking disrupted by this action? What does it actually fucking hurt? What does it actually do to disturb the game? It’s not even like wearing a political sticker or pin in an office job or anything, it’s not a lingering presence through their entire job. It’s a matter of a minute’s action, but somehow it’s the greatest fucking treason ever and needs to be made an example of because fuckers like Bongino believe they literally decide what is right in America or not.

The sad fucking thing is that he may be right on that measure, because our entire civil society seems to have surrendered to the alt-right and the NRA.

It drives me crazy that the narrative was successfully switched to a discussion of “disrespecting the flag”. First, the faux-patriotism on display at football games is a direct result of military paying the NFL millions so that the players could be used as props. They shouldn’t have to be there at all. Outside of the military, what other industry plays the anthem on the regular?

Second, the entire point was simply to say “I’m doing a small thing in order to make you notice me. And when you notice, I want you to remember that we have significant racial equality issues in this country.” That’s it. And people have the audacity to call the players snowflakes.

Third, that these people unironically claim to be constitutionalists while slamming an exercise of free speech is mind boggling to me (I do, of course, understand that the NFL is well within its rights to prohibit any type of speech it so chooses, but it is a form of censorship that would generally be unlawful if the gov’t imposed it).

The whole thing pisses me off.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 24, 2018 • 1:06:31pm

re: #10 KGxvi

That letter is so poorly written that it just drives me nuts. Switching from “we” to “I” is so incredibly annoying and easy to fix with a simple proof reading. The grammar is horrendous in general, but this sentence makes me want to run full speed into a brick wall and then over a cliff:

If that was included in a ninth grade essay, it’d get a C-.

And it might have been written this way on purpose by Trump’s staff to “trigger libs”!

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gwangung  May 24, 2018 • 1:06:35pm

re: #66 Citizen K

This is what I simply do not get: what is actually getting fucking disrupted by this action? What does it actually fucking hurt? What does it actually do to disturb the game? It’s not even like wearing a political sticker or pin in an office job or anything, it’s not a lingering presence through their entire job. It’s a matter of a minute’s action, but somehow it’s the greatest fucking treason ever and needs to be made an example of because fuckers like Bongino believe they literally decide what is right in America or not.

The sad fucking thing is that he may be right on that measure, because our entire civil society seems to have surrendered to the alt-right and the NRA.

These assholes are just making shit up. They’re manufacturing outrage.

I can’t think of an instance where kneeling, as an action, is an act of dishonor. To the contrary, the act of kneeling in Western Civilization is an admission of honor (going to one knee to propose, going to kneel to accept knighthood, going to one knee to show fealty, going to one knee to honor an injured football player).

This outrage is artificial and made up.

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ipsos  May 24, 2018 • 1:07:01pm

re: #67 Dr. Matt

Has anyone else received “important updates to our privacy policy” emails from just about every group today? I’m not kidding, I have received such emails from Metallica, The Scientist, Yelp, European Medical Journal, Musician’s Friend, American Society of Clinical Oncology, and so on and so on and so on….. Did some new law or benchmark occur today?

Yes, the European Union’s new data privacy rule takes effect tomorrow, and it’s pretty harsh, so anyone who has ANY interaction with EU residents online has to be “GDPR-compliant” now.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:07:13pm

Most of the time the national anthem isn’t even televised. Punishing players for kneeling is akin to punishing someone academically for not standing for the pledge.

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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2018 • 1:08:06pm
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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:08:06pm

Grrrr. I hate everything about this from all sides.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 24, 2018 • 1:08:21pm

Oh dear lord what an idiotic stooge.

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Bubblehead II  May 24, 2018 • 1:08:40pm

re: #22 JordanRules

2x4s was the excuse for the older border murder I believe. It got muddled last night because we were talking about both.

This is so damned upsetting.

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freetoken  May 24, 2018 • 1:08:50pm

re: #67 Dr. Matt

It’s been happening for a couple of weeks now.

But some or a lot of it may be unnecessary:

theguardian.com

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A Mom Anon  May 24, 2018 • 1:09:02pm

I’m tired of being nice and measured. That does NOTHING to stop anything. Nice doesn’t work on evil, shitty, selfish, violent assholes. I don’t know how we weed out the fucking Nazis and their pals at the NRA, the ignorant, the hateful, but it won’t happen by being nice. Nope. I’m afraid the right wing in this country is going to go full on Berserker when they start losing elections and progress leaves them in the dust.

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Belafon  May 24, 2018 • 1:09:05pm

re: #79 gwangung

These assholes are just making shit up. They’re manufacturing outrage.

I can’t think of an instance where kneeling, as an action, is an act of dishonor. To the contrary, the act of kneeling in Western Civilization is an admission of honor (going to one knee to propose, going to kneel to accept knighthood, going to one knee to show fealty, going to one knee to honor an injured football player).

This outrage is artificial and made up.

As long as you ignore that black people are trying to make white people care. The ultimate problem is that black people are making white people uncomfortable. That’s it. The flag is just a distraction.

Edit: Adding // because this definitely not how I feel, just an observation.

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Jenner7  May 24, 2018 • 1:09:19pm
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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:09:36pm

re: #83 JordanRules

Grrrr. I hate everything about this from all sides.

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Cuomo was low on my list anyhow. Pretty petty.

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dangerman  May 24, 2018 • 1:09:51pm

you know what
screw trump and his adminisration and all their drama and nonsense

we just got cleared to fly
we’re going home tomorrow

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gwangung  May 24, 2018 • 1:09:58pm

re: #88 Belafon

As long as you ignore that black people are trying to make white people care. The ultimate problem is that black people are making white people uncomfortable. That’s it. The flag is just a distraction.

It’s virtue signalling on a large scale.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:10:11pm

re: #79 gwangung

These assholes are just making shit up. They’re manufacturing outrage.

I can’t think of an instance where kneeling, as an action, is an act of dishonor. To the contrary, the act of kneeling in Western Civilization is an admission of honor (going to one knee to propose, going to kneel to accept knighthood, going to one knee to show fealty, going to one knee to honor an injured football player).

This outrage is artificial and made up.

Oh no it’s real. They really hate black folks pointing out state violence against black folks.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:10:15pm

re: #84 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Oh dear lord what an idiotic stooge.

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Because it’s that simple Jill.

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Citizen K  May 24, 2018 • 1:10:25pm

re: #79 gwangung

These assholes are just making shit up. They’re manufacturing outrage.

I can’t think of an instance where kneeling, as an action, is an act of dishonor. To the contrary, the act of kneeling in Western Civilization is an admission of honor (going to one knee to propose, going to kneel to accept knighthood, going to one knee to show fealty, going to one knee to honor an injured football player).

This outrage is artificial and made up.

The outrage is artificial. The consequences are real because the outrage is treated as more legitimate than the actual outrages.

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Big Beautiful Door  May 24, 2018 • 1:11:32pm

re: #26 DodgerFan1988

The NRA arguing the 1st Amendment is to blame for mass shootings and need to be gutted.

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Dr. Matt  May 24, 2018 • 1:11:40pm

re: #80 ipsos

Yes, the European Union’s new data privacy rule takes effect tomorrow, and it’s pretty harsh, so anyone who has ANY interaction with EU residents online has to be “GDPR-compliant” now.

Thanks!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  May 24, 2018 • 1:12:04pm

re: #89 Jenner7

that’s why Nunez is not in front of the cameras right now…

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allegro  May 24, 2018 • 1:12:28pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

That was my thought earlier as well: What is the wingnut response going to be when the season starts and one or more teams stay in the locker room through the Anthem rather than taking the field? They’re gonna loose what little of their minds remain and demand the League change the rules again to say that they can’t do that.

That’s what I’m hoping to see, entire teams staying off the field. Would the NFL lose the DoD promo funds if they did? Like back before they were ever brought out in the first place?

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 1:13:30pm

re: #84 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Oh dear lord what an idiotic stooge.

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There are 9 countries with nuclear weapons. India and Pakistan aren’t giving up their weapons (and arguably, that’s the only thing preventing a war between them), Israel won’t even admit that it has any. North Korea has seen that having nuclear weapons gives them a seat at the table (and a helluva shield against invasion, regardless of how realistic invasion actually is). The other five nations are permanent members of the security counsel and are, generally, smart enough to know that using nuclear weapons won’t end well.

I’d love to see worldwide disarmament of nuclear weapons, but this little thing called “reality” isn’t going to allow for that anytime soon.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:14:39pm

Maybe some of yall aren’t acquainted with a certain type of sports fan that the NFL especially courts but I promise you they are truly outraged that the millionaire bucks won’t just shut up and entertain them.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:15:22pm

The outrage is simple. It’s “entitled” black athletes protesting for a cause they see important. It consequently is a cause that white conservatives don’t give two fucks about because it’s not them being impacted by it or anyone they care about.

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Kragar  May 24, 2018 • 1:15:38pm

re: #84 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:17:02pm

re: #101 JordanRules

Maybe some of yall aren’t acquainted with a certain type of sports fan that the NFL especially courts but I promise you they are truly outraged that the millionaire bucks won’t just shut up and entertain them.

Indeed. There’s a sad line I read by Bob Gibson I believe and it’s sadly true now as it was 50 years ago that “I’d be just another n word to the if I couldn’t pitch the way I do.” And you know what’s true. These types will cheer on black athletes on the field but they don’t give two fucks about them as people especially if they dare express an opinion they don’t like.

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Dr. Matt  May 24, 2018 • 1:20:40pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

The outrage is simple. It’s “entitled” black athletes protesting for a cause they see important. It consequently is a cause that white conservatives don’t give two fucks about because it’s not them being impacted by it or anyone they care about.

The outrage is simple: Nazis are fine people and the kneeling Blacks should be deported.

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lawhawk  May 24, 2018 • 1:21:00pm
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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 1:21:04pm

re: #103 Kragar

Oh gosh who woke up Dr. Jill from her non-presidential election season nap?

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Big Beautiful Door  May 24, 2018 • 1:21:08pm

re: #91 dangerman

you know what
screw trump and his adminisration and all their drama and nonsense

we just got cleared to fly
we’re going home tomorrow

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:21:15pm

I’ll say this. I have so much more respect for Lebron James as a man than Michael Jordan. Not only is he a better father and husband but he’s a flat out better person, he’s not afraid to speak out for causes he deems important. People who want athletes to shut up and play. You are the same people who made Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump into national political figures because you enjoyed hearing what they had to say. Lebron merely speaks as a citizen and we have to hear stupid Laura Ingraham tell him to shut up and dribble. He’s not there to entertain you. He’s there for himself and if he wants to voice his opinion, I welcome it.

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Dr. Matt  May 24, 2018 • 1:22:11pm

re: #84 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Oh dear lord what an idiotic stooge.

Jill Stein should propose everyone on the planet gets a pony, because that’s more realistic then global denuclearization.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 24, 2018 • 1:22:16pm

re: #100 KGxvi

There are 9 countries with nuclear weapons. India and Pakistan aren’t giving up their weapons (and arguably, that’s the only thing preventing a war between them), Israel won’t even admit that it has any. North Korea has seen that having nuclear weapons gives them a seat at the table (and a helluva shield against invasion, regardless of how realistic invasion actually is). The other five nations are permanent members of the security counsel and are, generally, smart enough to know that using nuclear weapons won’t end well.

I’d love to see worldwide disarmament of nuclear weapons, but this little thing called “reality” isn’t going to allow for that anytime soon.

We’ll be lucky if Trump’s version of “diplomacy” does not inspire a bunch more nations to develop their own nukes. In Australia, for example, a few right wing cranks have always advocated an independent nuclear capability. Now, though, this has seeped past the bounds of crankery since no one has an answer to the obvious question of what to do now that they can’t count on the yanks. Imagine the behind-the-scenes discussions in the defense ministries of Japan, Singapore, or Taiwan, let alone South Korea. I personally think that Japan has a secret stash of devices that can be turned into full blown weapons in a matter of hours, if not minutes, “the turn of a screwdriver away.”

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 1:22:27pm

re: #101 JordanRules

Maybe some of yall aren’t acquainted with a certain type of sports fan that the NFL especially courts but I promise you they are truly outraged that the millionaire bucks won’t just shut up and entertain them.

Truly.

I don’t support the owner’s decision but I understand it, and I think it only partly relates to Trump’s ranting about the issue. They got hurt in the pocketbook last year (OK, about as hurt as multibillionaires can be) and they don’t want a repeat of that.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2018 • 1:23:58pm
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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 1:24:18pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Right, this isn’t exactly a “win” for Orange Dumbo.

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The Major  May 24, 2018 • 1:24:31pm

re: #67 Dr. Matt

Did some new law or benchmark occur today?

The EU’s GDPR….

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 1:25:26pm

re: #103 Kragar

Sign the new treaty to ban all nuclear weapons from the face of the earth. Start the process to denuclearize the planet.

— Dr. Jill Stein🌻

Never thought of that. What a great idea. Let’s get on that right away.

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Dr. Matt  May 24, 2018 • 1:25:27pm

whitehousegiftshop.com is returning

HTTP/1.1 Server Too Busy

Everyone wants to get a NK-USA Summit Coin so they can mock Dear Dotard.

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retired cynic  May 24, 2018 • 1:25:41pm

re: #91 dangerman

WONDERFUL! And looking good.

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Jay C  May 24, 2018 • 1:25:51pm

re: #98 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

that’s why Nunez is not in front of the cameras right now…

Because Nunes and his pals are huddled up with some lawyers in the WH trying to figure out how to spin the unfortunate reality of the situation to sync up with Trump’s imbecilic “Spygate” BS ??

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Jenner7  May 24, 2018 • 1:26:18pm
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S'latch  May 24, 2018 • 1:26:55pm

re: #120 Jenner7

What nepotism?

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:26:59pm

Protest on your time say the people who want to sanction discrimination against people under the guise of religious liberty.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:27:14pm

re: #120 Jenner7

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Kragar  May 24, 2018 • 1:27:42pm
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retired cynic  May 24, 2018 • 1:27:57pm

I’ve seen lots of video of the Kilauea volcano, but this is the most beautiful I’ve seen:

thisiscolossal.com

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:28:41pm

re: #112 Sir John Barron

Truly.

I don’t support the owner’s decision but I understand it, and I think it only partly relates to Trump’s ranting about the issue. They got hurt in the pocketbook last year (OK, about as hurt as multibillionaires can be) and they don’t want a repeat of that.

Yeah, I’ve said that I don’t think they really fear Trump that much. Obviously they’d rather he focus on Bezos or someone/thing else but many of them know him well as quite the fraud. Many of them are like Congresscritters who are afraid of their rabid base. And then most of them honestly agree with the sentiment that their human assetts need to be put in their place. It’s an ugly league in so many ways and a league I used to love and work closely with.

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 1:29:06pm

re: #120 Jenner7

Just handing these things out like candy.

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Belafon  May 24, 2018 • 1:31:58pm

re: #105 Dr. Matt

The outrage is simple: Nazis are fine people and the kneeling Blacks should be deported.

I had an argument with my parents about the kneeling when it occurred. My dad’s a Vietnam veteran, and while at an abstract level he gets freedom of speech, he can be one of those “making people uncomfortable doesn’t help” types.

Edited for grammar.

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 1:32:20pm

re: #89 Jenner7

The “rule of law” and “pro law enforcement” GOP congress will still want every committee to investigate the DOJ and FBI though and create a multitude of special counsels to root out the problem of an insufficiently devoted and politicized bureaucracy.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2018 • 1:33:57pm

In other news Chica survived her home/hotel visit from the vet to get her health cert & rabies shot for her flight 5/29. She was stressed, but then purred while the vet was holding her.

Not as impressive as the great recovery of Mrs. DM. But still!

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:34:28pm

I think this is going to backfire on the NFL big time. Goodell never gets these things right.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:35:30pm

re: #128 Belafon

I had an argument with my parents about the kneeling when it occurred. My dad’s a Vietnam veteran, and while at an abstract level he gets freedom of speech, he’s can be one of those “making people uncomfortable doesn’t help” types.

What frustrates me is how the kneeling was turned into “they disrespect the troops.” Kap got the idea to kneel from a former Green Beret and Eric Reid comes from a military family.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:36:28pm

Thread!

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Sir John Barron  May 24, 2018 • 1:36:28pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

In other news Chica survived her home/hotel visit from the vet to get her health cert & rabies shot for her flight 5/29. She was stressed, but then purred while the vet was holding her.

Not as impressive as the great recovery of Mrs. DM. But still!

Oh no, she has to fly? Hope the airline will make this a comfortable experience.

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gwangung  May 24, 2018 • 1:36:40pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

What frustrates me is how the kneeling was turned into “they disrespect the troops.” Kap got the idea to kneel from a former Green Beret and Eric Reid comes from a military family.

Like I said, the faux outrage is shit they made up.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:36:42pm

re: #131 JordanRules

I think this is going to backfire on the NFL big time. Goodell never gets these things right.

It’s going to make no one happy and they’ll be doing this again next year when the right wing flakes cry about players standing in the locker room or those who kneel anyhow knowing the fine.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:37:12pm

re: #135 gwangung

Like I said, the faux outrage is shit they made up.

Yep.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:37:46pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We’ll be lucky if Trump’s version of “diplomacy” does not inspire a bunch more nations to develop their own nukes. In Australia, for example, a few right wing cranks have always advocated an independent nuclear capability. Now, though, this has seeped past the bounds of crankery since no one has an answer to the obvious question of what to do now that they can’t count on the yanks. Imagine the behind-the-scenes discussions in the defense ministries of Japan, Singapore, or Taiwan, let alone South Korea. I personally think that Japan has a secret stash of devices that can be turned into full blown weapons in a matter of hours, if not minutes, “the turn of a screwdriver away.”

He has truly made the world less safe.

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lawhawk  May 24, 2018 • 1:38:13pm

re: #133 JordanRules

Manafort and Stone were business partners.

The three of them (Trump, Manafort, and Stone) go back to the 1980s.

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Belafon  May 24, 2018 • 1:38:58pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

What frustrates me is how the kneeling was turned into “they disrespect the troops.” Kap got the idea to kneel from a former Green Beret and Eric Reid comes from a military family.

That was an excuse and an appeal from authority fallacy, especially with so many of us veterans saying bullshit. But they yelled louder and more often.

Someone suggested blacks need to stop viewing the game until it changes. It will take a vocal group to change it, a group indicating that neither their money nor time will go toward the game.

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Renaissance_Man  May 24, 2018 • 1:39:30pm

re: #112 Sir John Barron

Truly.

I don’t support the owner’s decision but I understand it, and I think it only partly relates to Trump’s ranting about the issue. They got hurt in the pocketbook last year (OK, about as hurt as multibillionaires can be) and they don’t want a repeat of that.

All evidence suggests that a drop in viewership had nothing to do with anthem protests. They are rich white men who believe what most rich white men in America believe - that rural white people are the most important people in the country, and that they should be catered to above all else. They saw the same channels and read the same articles that reinforced this view, and decided to do their part to impose authoritarianism. Their decision has almost everything to do with Trump’s ranting, because the same channels that they watch and follow drove Trump’s ranting.

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:40:43pm

Trump showed what the assholes want. They want these guys denied their citizenship.

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Citizen K  May 24, 2018 • 1:41:46pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Trump showed what the assholes want. They want these guys denied their citizenship.

The scary part is at the rate we’re going, we just might get that. The backsliding is at light speed at this point, and unless this November arrests the momentum somehow, we’re going to be an unrecognizable country come 2020, and certainly a whiter and more racist one than we already even are.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:42:13pm

re: #135 gwangung

Like I said, the faux outrage is shit they made up.

All the shit they made up about Obama and his faux scandals didn’t make the outrage at his existence any less real.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 1:44:23pm

re: #73 JordanRules

Sarah Kendzior

@sarahkendzior
Certain journalists’ jealousy of Michael Avenatti is something to behold. They’re more critical of him than they are of the Trump admin, whose reps threaten and even assault reporters.

People should be glad Avenatti exposes Trump team tactics and doesn’t back down.

3:59 PM - May 24, 2018

And then there is Donny Deutsch who is not a journalist but for some reason gets to yak about Trump because he was associated with him in reality TV biz.

The reality is Deutsch has become an excuse maker for poor Micheal Cohen.

Oh by the way…the other day while looking into Mr. Deutsch I saw a link to a tabloid type story about…wait for it…this is both strange and juicy…are you ready?

Donnie Deutsch is dating Marla Maples.

What a country, eh?

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:46:53pm
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Targetpractice  May 24, 2018 • 1:47:06pm

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We’ll be lucky if Trump’s version of “diplomacy” does not inspire a bunch more nations to develop their own nukes. In Australia, for example, a few right wing cranks have always advocated an independent nuclear capability. Now, though, this has seeped past the bounds of crankery since no one has an answer to the obvious question of what to do now that they can’t count on the yanks. Imagine the behind-the-scenes discussions in the defense ministries of Japan, Singapore, or Taiwan, let alone South Korea. I personally think that Japan has a secret stash of devices that can be turned into full blown weapons in a matter of hours, if not minutes, “the turn of a screwdriver away.”

Every one of our allies is likely having the same discussion behind closed doors: “How do we prepare for a post-US world?” How do you prepare for a world where America’s might is unreliable, how you could be left flapping in the wind if the Baby-in-Chief decides you didn’t pay your protection money this month, and who’s going to have your back when the Russian Bear comes calling? In Europe, in Asia, in the Middle East, and even in South America, pro-US governments are going to have to start planning for a future where they can’t expect the cavalry to come riding in under Ol’ Glory.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:47:59pm

re: #145 ObserverArt

Donnie Deutsch is dating Marla Maples.

What a country, eh?

Whoa!! I was not ready for that one. LOL

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 1:49:21pm

re: #83 JordanRules

Grrrr. I hate everything about this from all sides.

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Blaming Clinton is a thing. Always has been. Now it has turned into a political tactic.

Yeah it sucks.

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Stanley Sea  May 24, 2018 • 1:49:50pm

re: #134 Sir John Barron

Oh no, she has to fly? Hope the airline will make this a comfortable experience.

Yep. I’m sending her a month ahead of me - to stay with my Dad.

She’ll be fine. I got her on a red eye, so that should be cooler temps & less activity.

she’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fineshe’ll be fine

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 1:50:10pm
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Charles Johnson  May 24, 2018 • 1:52:03pm
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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 1:53:44pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  May 24, 2018 • 1:55:31pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 1:55:38pm

re: #91 dangerman

you know what
screw trump and his adminisration and all their drama and nonsense

we just got cleared to fly
we’re going home tomorrow

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blueraven  May 24, 2018 • 1:59:20pm

All this stupid “Is Trump using this a a negotiating tactic”? bullshit on cable news is making me sick. Trump is not negotiating with l’il Kim, he was in over his head from the beginning.

My God, did he really think one meeting and Boom, no more nukes?
As much as I despise Trump, I was really hoping he would be serious for once and put in the hard work this will require. I know that sounds naive but just think about all the praise he would undoubtedly receive. I was hoping his ego would guide him to do better. But then he hired John Bolton and BOOM. Plus the fact that he is just a fucking idiot.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 2:02:40pm

re: #112 Sir John Barron

Truly.

I don’t support the owner’s decision but I understand it, and I think it only partly relates to Trump’s ranting about the issue. They got hurt in the pocketbook last year (OK, about as hurt as multibillionaires can be) and they don’t want a repeat of that.

I bet this ends up hurting them way more. And I for one hope it does.

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Skip Intro  May 24, 2018 • 2:02:42pm

re: #2 Kragar

“The gaudier the patter, the cheaper the crook”. I know someone already said that, but it’s like it was written just for Trump.

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Skip Intro  May 24, 2018 • 2:04:04pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 24, 2018 • 2:07:02pm

I really think Bolton is a nihilist, he wants to destroy the world as we know it, so it can be re-built along securely patriarchal lines.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 2:09:25pm

re: #131 JordanRules

I think this is going to backfire on the NFL big time. Goodell never gets these things right.

He may get himself in such a jam from all sides…owners…players…fans…politicians…it ends up causing him his job.

And there are a gazillion people that have been wanting that for a few years now.

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William Lewis  May 24, 2018 • 2:11:57pm

re: #72 JordanRules

Yes I have. And I’ve seen others on the Twitters saying it yesterday and today. Not sure what prompted it.

New European law on data privacy. IF they do biz in Europe they have to comply with all their customers.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 2:14:38pm

re: #139 lawhawk

Manafort and Stone were business partners.

The three of them (Trump, Manafort, and Stone) go back to the 1980s.

Don’t forget the other great friend of Stone and Manafort…part of their Three Musketeers political business…Lee Atwater.

And they all were admirers of Roy Cohn.

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William Lewis  May 24, 2018 • 2:19:25pm

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I really think Bolton is a nihilist, he wants to destroy the world as we know it, so it can be re-built along securely patriarchal lines.

Absolute “Divine Right” Monarchy too I’d bet.

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dangerman  May 24, 2018 • 2:20:35pm

re: #117 Dr. Matt

whitehousegiftshop.com is returning

HTTP/1.1 Server Too Busy

Everyone wants to get a NK-USA Summit Coin so they can mock Dear Dotard.

I told you

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 2:21:14pm

re: #165 dangerman

I told you

So, cancelling the summit was really just about creating a market for the coins.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 2:26:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 24, 2018 • 2:26:40pm

re: #80 ipsos

Yes, the European Union’s new data privacy rule takes effect tomorrow, and it’s pretty harsh, so anyone who has ANY interaction with EU residents online has to be “GDPR-compliant” now.

Got delayed going into town. My wife is updating her Websites’ landing pages to show they are GDPR compliant (no data is collected, no trackers on her Websites, her hosting service uses no trackers, &c).

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dangerman  May 24, 2018 • 2:26:44pm

re: #158 Skip Intro

“The gaudier the patter, the cheaper the crook”. I know someone already said that, but it’s like it was written just for Trump.

Maltese falcon

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 2:27:10pm
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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 2:28:02pm
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Skip Intro  May 24, 2018 • 2:29:17pm

re: #169 dangerman

Somebody said that here, I meant. And nobody could say it like Humphrey Bogart. Just nobody.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 2:31:59pm

Mrs. FBW and The Younger Boy are now in Hawaii, celebrating the end of both of their school terms - his as a student and hers as a tutor. They left The Older Boy and me behind, because we have jobs. And someone’s got to feed Rango and the turtles.

She texted me complaining about the rain, so I told her the HIGH today here is 60, and it’s foggy and drizzly, so she should count her blessings.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 2:32:01pm
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makeitstop  May 24, 2018 • 2:32:05pm

re: #171 JordanRules

“Please ask Assange for any State or [Hillary Clinton] e-mail from August 10 to August 30—particularly on August 20, 2011.”

Ah. Stone wants to get his hands on that email where Hil wished me a happy birthday.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 24, 2018 • 2:32:18pm

re: #169 dangerman

Maltese falcon

PDQ Bach’s “The Abduction of Figaro?”

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A Mom Anon  May 24, 2018 • 2:32:31pm

re: #170 JordanRules

Now that is smart. Brilliant even.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 2:33:25pm

re: #91 dangerman

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 2:34:01pm

re: #177 A Mom Anon

Now that is smart. Brilliant even.

Absolutely! Get them in there to learn the system they will be working to change.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 2:35:43pm

Vote is tomorrow.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 2:36:11pm

re: #171 JordanRules

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 2:36:39pm

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I really think Bolton is a nihilist, he wants to destroy the world as we know it, so it can be re-built along securely patriarchal lines.

You’re right about the nihilist part, and wanting to destroy the world, but I’m not sure about the second part. From his wikipedia page:

He declared himself in an interview with Edward Luce of the Financial Times in 2007 to be a “Goldwater conservative”, as opposed to being a neoconservative. He also pointed out that he was a follower of Edmund Burke. He also said “I have always been a conservative. The idea of big-government conservatism has more neocon adherents than from unmodified conservatives.”

He’s more of a “just want to watch the world burn” types, I think. Probably the most generous reading of him is that he’s the sort of person who has a hammer (the US military) and thus sees every problem as a nail (bomb the shit out of it and then invade).

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 2:38:01pm

re: #125 retired cynic

I’ve seen lots of video of the Kilauea volcano, but this is the most beautiful I’ve seen:

thisiscolossal.com

We have very different concepts of beautiful. That looks terrifying and like something of a hellscape to me.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 2:39:08pm

re: #174 JordanRules

Imagine being absolutely eager to take credit for the next financial crisis

Would it be impolite to speculate about how many Trump Organization buildings are mortgaged? Because if it owns buildings free and clear, competition getting foreclosed when the mortgage industry blows up again would be… good for business, wouldn’t it?

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 2:40:23pm

I love him so much! Michigan’s finest!

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 2:41:37pm

re: #133 JordanRules

Thread!

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Would it be a terrible thing to say that my jeans got a little wet reading that?

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 2:42:29pm

re: #183 MsJ

We have very different concepts of beautiful. That looks terrifying and like something of a hellscape to me.

Mordor is lovely this time of year.

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blueraven  May 24, 2018 • 2:43:34pm

re: #186 MsJ

Would it be a terrible thing to say that my jeans got a little wet reading that?

Depends //

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 2:48:08pm

re: #187 KGxvi

Mordor is lovely this time of year.

“AAIIIEEEE!!!”, screamed Goddam.

“Flup”, commented the lava.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 2:48:40pm

re: #183 MsJ

We have very different concepts of beautiful. That looks terrifying and like something of a hellscape to me.

If you look at the images as only images, they are beautiful images.

I’m thinking Cynic understands the reality behind them, but I’m also thinking her artist side is able to separate the two views.

One does not discount the other. Would you accept Mother Nature’s Tragic Beauty?

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 2:48:48pm

re: #171 JordanRules

Holy shit. That is a big f’in deal.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 2:50:16pm

re: #188 blueraven

Depends //

Not THAT kind of wet! Sheesh. ;-)

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 2:50:34pm

re: #191 MsJ

Holy shit. That is a big f’in deal.

One day, if we get out of this in one piece, someone will writer a book about Trump and the assorted toads he gathered about him. It’ll be titled “Hubris.”

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 2:50:48pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

If you look at the images as only images, they are beautiful images.

I’m thinking Cynic understands the reality behind them, but I’m also thinking her artist side is able to separate the two views.

One does not discount the other. Would you accept Mother Nature’s Tragic Beauty?

Of course. Mother Nature is terrifying sometimes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 2:52:10pm

re: #183 MsJ

We have very different concepts of beautiful. That looks terrifying and like something of a hellscape to me.

It’s a terrifyingly beautiful hellscape on the edge of a tropical paradise.

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retired cynic  May 24, 2018 • 2:52:59pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

If you look at the images as only images, they are beautiful images.

I’m thinking Cynic understands the reality behind them, but I’m also thinking her artist side is able to separate the two views.

One does not discount the other. Would you accept Mother Nature’s Tragic Beauty?

Yeah! That’s what I meant!

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 2:53:05pm

re: #194 MsJ

Of course. Mother Nature is terrifying sometimes.

I said last week, I think it was, that volcanoes remind us that the Earth does what it does, and we’re all just along for the ride.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 2:53:11pm

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

One day, if we get out of this in one piece, someone will writer a book about Trump and the assorted toads he gathered about him. It’ll be titled “Hubris.”

Hubris: The No Fucks Given True Story of Stupid Watergate

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 2:53:46pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a terrifyingly beautiful hellscape on the edge of a tropical paradise.

The juxtaposition of hell and paradise is something else. It is fascinating and awesome but I cannot call it beautiful.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 2:53:54pm

re: #198 KGxvi

Hubris: The No Fucks Given True Story of Stupid Watergate

You’re a lawyer, right? Register the trademark.

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retired cynic  May 24, 2018 • 2:53:55pm

re: #197 Blind Frog Belly White

I said last week, I think it was, that volcanoes remind us that the Earth does what it does, and we’re all just along for the ride.

Yeah! That, too!

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Jenner7  May 24, 2018 • 2:54:46pm
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A Mom Anon  May 24, 2018 • 2:56:52pm

re: #194 MsJ

When we were going to the top of Pikes Peak in Colorado, there are places along the road where you are literally a foot away from a 10 to almost 15k foot drop. No guardrails. And then it started sleeting and snowing so bad we could hardly see. I was terrified and totally amazed at how stunningly gorgeous it is at the same time. It drove the point home that we are mere puny humans and Mother Nature could eat us and not even need to burp afterwards.

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Skip Intro  May 24, 2018 • 2:57:18pm

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹

PDQ Bach’s “The Abduction of Figaro?”

Another PDQ Bach fan. Good to know.

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Jay C  May 24, 2018 • 2:57:25pm

re: #202 Jenner7

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Jesus H on a three-wheeled bike! WTF “meddling” do you have to do to piss off the Fed prison director ??

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Jenner7  May 24, 2018 • 2:58:43pm

Literally every day there are 2-3 legit scandals by this administration and they just get buried.

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Jay C  May 24, 2018 • 2:59:03pm

re: #205 Jay C

BTW, I’m guessing the term “privatization” is going to be in there someplace….

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 2:59:33pm

re: #205 Jay C

Jesus H on a three-wheeled bike! WTF “meddling” do you have to do to piss off the Fed prison director ??

I’m sure Jeff Sessions and Jared Kushner are up to that task.

Sessions for sure is very creative at being a raging asshole.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2018 • 3:01:53pm
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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 3:03:48pm

re: #208 ObserverArt

I’m sure Jeff Sessions and Jared Kushner are up to that task.

Sessions for sure is very creative at being a raging asshole.

Sessions probably sees Warden Norton as a literary hero.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 3:04:01pm

re: #209 gocart mozart

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Cocaine’s a helluva drug!

He beclowns a lot.

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jaunte  May 24, 2018 • 3:04:50pm
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jaunte  May 24, 2018 • 3:10:03pm
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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 3:11:26pm

Ari Melber and guests are discussing the fact that John Kelly and Emmet Flood may have just put themselves in Mueller’s obstruction side of his investigation.

I guess they really didn’t want to shorten the length of the investigation after all. They may have just opened up a new string.

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A Mom Anon  May 24, 2018 • 3:12:12pm

re: #212 jaunte

OK so there are no rules or laws regarding this shit? I don’t know why they bothered because these spoiled little traitors have had access to all kinds of classified information that they have probably sold or used to enrich themselves. These traitorous thugs have found every weakness and used it for personal enrichment, isn’t that a crime? I’m frustrated today, grrrrrrrr.

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BeachDem  May 24, 2018 • 3:13:09pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Indeed. There’s a sad line I read by Bob Gibson I believe and it’s sadly true now as it was 50 years ago that “I’d be just another n word to the if I couldn’t pitch the way I do.” And you know what’s true. These types will cheer on black athletes on the field but they don’t give two fucks about them as people especially if they dare express an opinion they don’t like.

Remember, Bill Russell was described as “an arrogant Negro who won’t sign autographs for white children” by the FBI in one of its files.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 3:14:20pm

re: #202 Jenner7

I honestly cannot tell if this is good or bad. I am sure anything trump or kush touches will go to shit. I also think that they will make it better for white collar criminals like kush’s dad (why this even matters to him).

Sessions would do nothing to improve black inmate lives, except possibly hasten their demises.

It’s a clusterfuck, as expected.

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jaunte  May 24, 2018 • 3:15:17pm

re: #215 A Mom Anon

This whole presidency* is insane.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 3:16:00pm

re: #215 A Mom Anon

OK so there are no rules or laws regarding this shit? I don’t know why they bothered because these spoiled little traitors have had access to all kinds of classified information that they have probably sold or used to enrich themselves. These traitorous thugs have found every weakness and used it for personal enrichment, isn’t that a crime? I’m frustrated today, grrrrrrrr.

I’m frustrated too. People need to be arrested. I’m sick of so much of this just repeatedly being thrown right in our faces.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2018 • 3:16:57pm

I knew that Gleason/Cohen stupid motion was going nowhere. “Appears to be arguing” is Judge shade” for ‘Full of shit”

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 3:17:38pm

re: #215 A Mom Anon

OK so there are no rules or laws regarding this shit? I don’t know why they bothered because these spoiled little traitors have had access to all kinds of classified information that they have probably sold or used to enrich themselves. These traitorous thugs have found every weakness and used it for personal enrichment, isn’t that a crime? I’m frustrated today, grrrrrrrr.

There are rules against this shit. Trump has shown over and over the rules do not pertain to him or his family.

The problem is the cops in this, The US Congress led by Republicans, have decided they are not going to do anything. Apparently the people in the states and districts that voted the Republicans in are fine with that.

It is up to the American voters to do everything we can to change it. ALL Republicans need to go…sooner is better.

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jaunte  May 24, 2018 • 3:18:35pm

re: #220 gocart mozart

I wonder if judges are sometimes tempted to ask attorneys if they actually went to law school.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 3:23:58pm

I’m furious about this. Furious!

Still focused on November and getting all Dems elected and trying to salvage the country, but my party just smacked the shit out of me.

Fuck.

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jaunte  May 24, 2018 • 3:25:08pm
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Skip Intro  May 24, 2018 • 3:32:20pm

I’m not sure I believe this. How could a guy who hangs with CCJ be broke?

George Zimmerman, who shot dead the Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, is $2.5m in debt and no income, according to court documents.

Zimmerman’s finances were made public as part of a misdemeanor stalking case where he is accused of sending threatening text messages to a private investigator. Zimmerman filed paperwork about his financial situation in the case, listing that he is unemployed and has no money in cash, bank accounts or equity on property.

In 2016 Zimmerman sold the gun he used to murder Trayvon Martin for $250,000 to ” a woman who was giving the gun as a birthday present to her son.”

cbsnews.com

theguardian.com

Too bad Racist McShootface backed out of his bid of $65 million. Even Zimmerman couldn’t go through that much coke in a couple of years.

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 3:32:37pm
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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 3:35:57pm

re: #225 Skip Intro

I’m not sure I believe this. How could a guy who hangs with CCJ be broke?

In 2016 Zimmerman sold the gun he used to murder Trayvon Martin for $250,000 to ” a woman who was giving the gun as a birthday present to her son.”

cbsnews.com

theguardian.com

WHAT???

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jaunte  May 24, 2018 • 3:36:17pm
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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 3:36:20pm

re: #222 jaunte

I wonder if judges are sometimes tempted to ask attorneys if they actually went to law school.

I’ve seen judges roll their eyes while attorneys are arguing motions.

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Targetpractice  May 24, 2018 • 3:36:34pm

re: #224 jaunte

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“Maturity and strategic insight”? Leaving your allies in the region flapping in the wind, totally undermining all existing and potential sanctions going forward, while whining like a jilted lover does not show either of those things. Trump has just fucked us over royally in that region and left Kim looking like the guy who has his shit together.

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Jenner7  May 24, 2018 • 3:38:32pm
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jaunte  May 24, 2018 • 3:38:37pm

re: #230 Targetpractice

Yet another writer treating Trump like a three year old who needs praise for standing upright.

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BigPapa  May 24, 2018 • 3:39:52pm
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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 3:41:31pm

re: #228 jaunte

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Targetpractice  May 24, 2018 • 3:42:16pm

Seriously, reading Trump’s letter to Kim read like an abusive ex writing to his former lover: “I was right to throw you away because you’re a waste of my time, but I’m willing to take you back if you beg me to!”

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fern01  May 24, 2018 • 3:43:25pm

re: #112 Sir John Barron

Truly.

I don’t support the owner’s decision but I understand it, and I think it only partly relates to Trump’s ranting about the issue. They got hurt in the pocketbook last year (OK, about as hurt as multibillionaires can be) and they don’t want a repeat of that.

And you care that they “got hurt in the pocket book”. I sure hope they do - The concept of individuals owning sporting teams is repulsive to me & if this causes them to lose money - I’m twice happy, once for the players having the right to protest & once for the owners losing.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 24, 2018 • 3:44:26pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

This is what growing up with so much privilege ends up like.

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EPR-radar  May 24, 2018 • 3:46:27pm

re: #223 JordanRules

WTF is so difficult here? Democrats are in a minority in both houses of Congress, so they should at least be expected to vote 100% against all the stupid shit the GOP can pass on party line votes. There is no such thing as a good GOP bill, and if Democrats continue to have such trouble with this really fucking simple idea, they should just vote no on everything, including trivialities like naming post offices.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 24, 2018 • 3:50:00pm
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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 3:50:25pm

Tony Schwartz the author of The Art of the Deal and a huge critic of Trump just said something very important and may be something many of us here at LGF need to take to heart and use to steel us for the political war we are in. He is on Ari Melber’s The Beat

He said Trump always works knowing he has no conscience and no morals. The end is the means…nothing else counts but self satisfaction of the win. There is nothing that moderates Trump. He has no controls.

And he pointed out that is also meant to frustrate people that have both a conscience and morals.

But frustration is our enemy as it makes people clam up and give up.

Don’t let it frustrate you…Trump wins.

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Targetpractice  May 24, 2018 • 3:50:49pm

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

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*deadpan* My heart bleeds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 3:52:10pm

Hey, so a while back I was commenting on the AZ accident where an Uber autonomous vehicle killed a woman crossing the road, and I defended the system, suggesting that a human would have hit her too?

Yeah. Forget I said that.

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plansbandc  May 24, 2018 • 3:53:13pm

re: #204 Skip Intro

PDQ Bach is awesome. I saw Peter Schickele with the Boulder Philharmonic many years ago. It was fantastic.

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Targetpractice  May 24, 2018 • 3:54:32pm

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, so a while back I was commenting on the AZ accident where an Uber autonomous vehicle killed a woman crossing the road, and I defended the system, suggesting that a human would have hit her too?

Yeah. Forget I said that.

[Embedded content]

So have a human in the loop, but don’t give the human any advance warning.

WTF?

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William Lewis  May 24, 2018 • 3:55:05pm

re: #242 Blind Frog Belly White

That is insane. To put that… thing… on the road has got to qualify as Criminally Negligent Homicide.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 3:57:24pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

So have a human in the loop, but don’t give the human any advance warning.

WTF?

I gotta wonder who wrote the specs.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2018 • 3:57:45pm

re: #240 ObserverArt

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Skip Intro  May 24, 2018 • 3:57:57pm

re: #243 plansbandc

PDQ Bach is awesome. I saw Peter Schickele with the Boulder Philharmonic many years ago. It was fantastic.

I saw him live a couple of times. Great stuff, and Victor Borge’s natural heir.
I also saw Victor live many, many years ago. An incredibly talented man.

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danarchy  May 24, 2018 • 3:59:30pm

re: #245 William Lewis

That is insane. To put that… thing… on the road has got to qualify as Criminally Negligent Homicide.

Uber’s software was a shit show. Competitors were able to go thousands of miles before human intervention and uber was struggling to get to 13 miles between interventions. That thing should never have been on an actual road.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 3:59:45pm

re: #245 William Lewis

That is insane. To put that… thing… on the road has got to qualify as Criminally Negligent Homicide.

I have to wonder what there is in the way of review of the parameters of the software.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:00:43pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

That goes along with what that guy @HoarseWhisperer says on Twitter every day. Trump is a narcissist (in the DSM sense) and this tweet guy, whose ex wife was one, details Trump’s moves before he makes them.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 4:02:24pm

re: #247 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Thanks. That was the interview. However it misses the parts where he talks about Trump having no conscience or morals and how that wrecks regular people who do.

We all know Trump is a major asshole, but a guy who is familiar with him saying he has no normal human controls really drives home how dangerous he really is.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:03:08pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

WTF is so difficult here? Democrats are in a minority in both houses of Congress, so they should at least be expected to vote 100% against all the stupid shit the GOP can pass on party line votes. There is no such thing as a good GOP bill, and if Democrats continue to have such trouble with this really fucking simple idea, they should just vote no on everything, including trivialities like naming post offices.

This would take courage. To be labeled anti-police. Dems are not courageous. No politician is. Dems disappoint us though. Republicans are shameless.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 24, 2018 • 4:04:09pm

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

Trump will invite him to the White House, but not before May sends him to the Big House.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:04:30pm

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

JUST IN: Julian Assange’s nearly six-year refuge at the Ecuadorian embassy in London is in danger, opening the WikiLeaks founder to arrest by British authorities and potential extradition to the US, sources tell CNN.

Where trump will knight him.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:07:45pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

So have a human in the loop, but don’t give the human any advance warning.

WTF?

Not just In The Loop, but a key cog in the wheel.

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Belafon  May 24, 2018 • 4:08:51pm

re: #218 jaunte

This whole presidency* is insane.

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He actually does. The problem is, we elected someone willing to do it.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 4:09:19pm

I gave up on watching Chris Matthews Hardball, but after he had a good rant about Trump that I saw later on MSNBC last night, I am keeping MSNBC on after Ari Melber.

Matthews just called Trump a fake president with a fake presidency.

Basically calling him an usurper of the office.

I’m thinking Matthews has decided to go all in on trashing Trump where he previously gave him some room to learn, etc.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 24, 2018 • 4:12:23pm

I’ve got it: Trump will pardon Assange and appoint him co-director of the CIA. He and Haspel will make an ideal Trump team: Instead of having to steal secrets, Haspel can extract them under torture and Assange can package them for delivery.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 4:14:50pm

re: #256 MsJ

Not just In The Loop, but a key cog in the wheel.

Hey, it’s not like the human won’t be paying close attention at all times, right?
//

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 4:15:39pm

re: #259 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve got it: Trump will pardon Assange and appoint him co-director of the CIA. He and Haspel will make an ideal Trump team: Instead of having to steal secrets, Haspel can extract them under torture and Assange can package them for delivery.

I’d rather have Assange steal the secrets and Haspel torture them out of him.
// 0.5

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:16:20pm

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, it’s not like the human won’t be paying close attention at all times, right?
//

If I had to sit for any period of time - doing nothing at all - I’d be lucky to stay awake.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 4:18:28pm

re: #262 MsJ

If I had to sit for any period of time - doing nothing at all - I’d be lucky to stay awake.

Many people barely pay attention when they’re the ones doing the driving, let alone when the computer does it.

I really want to know who thought it made sense for the computer to depend on the human to do the emergency braking but not tell them they needed to. That seems…poorly thought out.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 24, 2018 • 4:18:41pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d rather have Assange steal the secrets and Haspel torture them out of him.
// 0.5

It would be a kind of poetic justice since Assange helped put her in that position.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:19:22pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

That seems…poorly thought out.

Quite.

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Mattand  May 24, 2018 • 4:19:35pm

Headline on NYT article:

Trump’s Big Gamble Hits a Reality Check

Factual; accurate.

Subhead:

The president attempted a revolutionary approach to North Korea. It didn’t work.

Are. You. FUCKING. Kidding me?

It’s like saying a revolutionary approach to not being electrocuted is by constantly licking a live outlet in hopes that you’ll build up a tolerance to active current.

Your liberal NYT, kids.

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 4:19:38pm

Heh.

Chris Mathews just said he would like to see reporters go out and interview all the Republican senators and ask them if in fact Trump went out on 5th Avenue and shot someone, would they remove him for office for that?

David Corn piped in: They would just send out thoughts and prayers.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:20:20pm

I think he may be on to something.

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Mattand  May 24, 2018 • 4:21:45pm

re: #267 ObserverArt

Heh.

Chris Mathews just said he would like to see reporters go out and interview all the Republican senators and ask them if in fact Trump went out on 5th Avenue and shot someone, would they remove him for office for that?

David Corn piped in: They would just send out thoughts and prayers.

You’re made of sterner stuff than I am if you can stomach Tweety for an hour. Just my opinion, but based on his slobbering over Reagan, part of me think Matthews is just waiting for Trump to do something not insane, so he can declare him Reagan-esque.

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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 4:21:49pm

re: #258 ObserverArt

I gave up on watching Chris Matthews Hardball, but after he had a good rant about Trump that I saw later on MSNBC last night, I am keeping MSNBC on after Ari Melber.

Matthews just called Trump a fake president with a fake presidency.

Basically calling him an usurper of the office.

I’m thinking Matthews has decided to go all in on trashing Trump where he previously gave him some room to learn, etc.

Hardball was probably the first cable news show I watched fairly regularly back in the late 90s. It’s kind of hard to believe it’s been on for over 20 years. Over the years I’d sort of drift in and out on the show.

Love him or hate him, I think he has a profound respect for government and our traditions. So it makes sense that he really doesn’t like Trump and his antics.

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Mattand  May 24, 2018 • 4:22:09pm

re: #268 MsJ

I think he may be on to something.

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A criminal Mobius strip.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2018 • 4:23:53pm
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KGxvi  May 24, 2018 • 4:26:23pm

re: #269 Mattand

You’re made of sterner stuff than I am if you can stomach Tweety for an hour. Just my opinion, but based on his slobbering over Reagan, part of me think Matthews is just waiting for Trump to do something not insane, so he can declare him Reagan-esque.

Matthews was Chief of Staff for Tip O’Neil during the Reagan Administration. Which explains, I think, part of the nostalgia he has for that period.

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Skip Intro  May 24, 2018 • 4:27:19pm

re: #268 MsJ

I think he may be on to something.

[Embedded content]

It’s working.

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2018 • 4:28:59pm
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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:29:18pm

Republican dystopian future.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:30:25pm

re: #275 gocart mozart

🤢🤮

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 4:32:16pm

It makes sense that he would be the choice of people whose policy prescriptions are less rational thought and more stimulus/response.

They want all other countries to comply with our will, but they don’t want America to be the world’s policemen. They want protectionism but they don’t want to pay more for stuff. They want regime change, but they don’t want to do nation-building. They want other nations to be democracies, but only if they don’t choose people we don’t like.

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 4:32:28pm

I’m shocked. Aren’t you? 🙄

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 4:33:09pm

re: #269 Mattand

I have given up on watching Tweety. I did tonight based on his rant he did at the close of his show last night.

I did a comment on that earlier with the video of his rant.

Go to this link to watch if you so desire: Comment with video of Chris Mathews rant

It was a good rant. With what happened today I thought he would still be heated.

And the only reason I watched him in the past is the same reason I watch Morning Joke for the first half hour some days. They all have some good guests on that make some pretty good points and mention things we do not see on many other media outlets.

I can turn things off and on in my head pretty easily. I can weed out the chaff to get to the kernels of truth.

It’s like the comment above where I mention author Tony Schwartz saying if you get frustrated you give up. I am not giving up. I want to see those little kernels in a hope that one or two break out and start to take Trump down. I can ignore Tweety to get a crack or some good reporting from David Corn. Or, I could miss it all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 24, 2018 • 4:39:55pm

re: #279 MsJ

I’m shocked. Aren’t you? 🙄

[Embedded content]

“Oh, you meant THESE emails. Oops!”

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Targetpractice  May 24, 2018 • 4:40:45pm

re: #281 Blind Frog Belly White

“Oh, you meant THESE emails. Oops!”

“Honest mistake.”

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gocart mozart  May 24, 2018 • 4:41:53pm
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gocart mozart  May 24, 2018 • 4:42:21pm
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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 4:43:26pm

Just thinking…maybe Vince McMahon can change up a bit on his creation of a new XFL football league.

How about an all White Patriots Football League?

I bet you Trump and some of the NFL owners would be all for that.

Surely Trump’s comments about “maybe some of them should leave the country” means he would love to see Black athletes shipped out of America for speaking up for their rights.

Why miss such an opportunity for what Trump really wants Vince?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 24, 2018 • 4:48:23pm

I’m going to say it, I did not like Philip Roth’s novels, particularly his grotesque abusive stereotyping of Jewish women in particular and women in general.

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The Major  May 24, 2018 • 4:52:49pm

re: #285 ObserverArt

Surely Trump’s comments about “maybe some of them should leave the country” means he would love to see Black athletes shipped out of America for speaking up for their rights.

Here’s an thought that appears to be lost: what if the players who are kneeling are actually showing reverence to the flag - after all, one kneels in church…..

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 24, 2018 • 4:54:05pm

re: #286 The Vicious Babushka

I’m going to say it, I did not like Philip Roth’s novels, particularly his grotesque abusive stereotyping of Jewish women in particular and women in general.

The only book of his I liked was Our Gang Starring Tricky & His Friends.

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Jay C  May 24, 2018 • 4:57:12pm

re: #283 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

DJT’s lexicon is 40% smaller than BO’s

Heh. So basically, Trump is 3/5th of an Obama???

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The Major  May 24, 2018 • 4:59:50pm

re: #289 Jay C

Heh. So basically, Trump is 3/5th of an Obama???

3/5’th is being waaaay to generous for Hair Furor….but is probably apt for his red baseball-capped minions…..

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ObserverArt  May 24, 2018 • 5:01:19pm

re: #287 The Major

It hasn’t been lost on everyone. Kaepernick had a military adviser suggest to him to kneel in protest. That was from the get-go.

Then Trump comes along with his little buddy Mikey Pence to turn it into a big thing when it was already dying out.

Typical Trump divide and conquer tactics that his 30% base just loves.

Here is the Snopes fact finding behind it.

Snopes - Did a U.S. Veteran Influence Kaepernick’s ‘Take a Knee’ Protest of Police Brutality?

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MsJ  May 24, 2018 • 5:03:38pm

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 24, 2018 • 5:08:57pm

re: #275 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

so Jeff Lord is giving a shout out to a (in all likelihood) fake twitter account (@jaredkusher)

ok, this is fine…

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JordanRules  May 24, 2018 • 5:16:49pm
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