Here We Go Again: The Latest Round of Media Dithering About Trump’s Constant Lying

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How many times have we done this since Trump started running for president? I’ve lost count. Every few weeks or months, some media outlet runs a story that egregiously glosses over Donald Trump’s constant, blatant dishonesty and we’re off on another round of deflecting, denying and dithering about whether the media should call this garbage what it is: lying.

This is a president who lies in unprecedented volume, with a true sociopath’s lack of conscience. A raging unfettered narcissist who degrades everything and everyone he touches, enabled by a media who refuse to deal with it in a direct, fearless way.

Now, obviously, it’s not all journalists or all media. But a disturbingly large number of reporters for the most highly respected media organizations have completely abdicated their responsibility to tell the truth, in the face of this sociopathic liar.

On one level it’s good to see CNN’s Brian Stelter bringing up the issue and letting some journalists who aren’t afraid to call out Trump’s lies speak out. But how many times are we going to go through this debate over whether it’s too mean and unfair to call Trump a liar, while he happily goes about his business of wrecking American institutions and sowing discord for his personal enrichment?

OK, rant over. But man, this is really getting old.

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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 11:13:11am
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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 11:29:35am

Megan’s thread is a hot mess.

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thecommodore  May 27, 2018 • 11:37:01am
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 11:37:05am

re: #2 JordanRules

Megan’s thread is a hot mess.

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I’m sure the CSA had the same thoughts in 1861 re “elites.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 27, 2018 • 11:42:04am

re: #3 thecommodore

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TIL that saying Trump is ignorant and mendacious is defending him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 27, 2018 • 11:47:16am
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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 11:47:28am

HW is back in the hospital. For fatigue and low blood pressure. Not sure of his wishes, but is it was me in my 90’s, I’d just go watch the ocean….

His old frame is starting the process.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 27, 2018 • 11:50:27am

The new Civil war is already underway and the “Northern” side this time is getting its ass kicked. The past 40 years since the Civil Rights Era has seen the steady “Southernization” of the United States.

Racist, anti-Labor Union, anti-Science, anti-Diplomacy sentiments have evolved from intelligencia-bound outliers like Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman and grown into a popular cancer that has spread nationwide now ingrained in white culture. Fully 75%-85% of white men and more than 55% of white women back Trump and his agenda of White Supremacism. It is this demographic that drags themselves over broken glass and razor wire to get to the voting booths. Meanwhile, the Liberal or minority voting blocs cannot be persuaded to even show up. There is no need for armies and militias when the ballot box can provide all the victories needed for a white Evangelical supremacist government. And this is now what we have.

All of this dithering back and forth over Trump and his constant lies are beside the point. The point is most of the voting population is aligned with Trump no matter what sewage comes out of his mouth or what wretched policies are issued from his desk. As long as white Evangelicals are satisfied with the end results, the means are irrelevant.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 11:51:25am

re: #7 Dave In Austin

HW is back in the hospital. For fatigue and low blood pressure. Not sure of his wishes, but is it was me in my 90’s, I’d just go watch the ocean….

His old frame is starting the process.

I have to agree. Poor guy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 11:53:34am

re: #8 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Most of the voting population is aligned with Trump? The three million fewer who voted for him and the large group that didn’t vote for anyone or voted third party? That majority?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 11:53:39am

re: #8 Rocky-in-Connecticut

The end result of the coup Lewis Powell’s blueprint outlined in 1971. The Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine has totally permeated every facet of society!

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thecommodore  May 27, 2018 • 11:54:28am
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Big Beautiful Door  May 27, 2018 • 11:54:53am

re: #8 Rocky-in-Connecticut

The new Civil war is already underway and the “Northern” side this time is getting its ass kicked. The past 40 years since the Civil Rights Era has seen the steady “Southernization” of the United States.

Racist, anti-Labor Union, anti-Science, anti-Diplomacy sentiments have evolved from intelligencia-bound outliers like Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman and grown into a popular cancer that has spread nationwide now ingrained in white culture. Fully 75%-85% of white men and more than 55% of white women back Trump and his agenda of White Supremacism. It is this demographic that drags themselves over broken glass and razor wire to get to the voting booths. Meanwhile, the Liberal or minority voting blocs cannot be persuaded to even show up. There is no need for armies and militias when the ballot box can provide all the victories needed for a white Evangelical supremacist government. And this is now what we have.

All of this dithering back and forth over Trump and his constant lies are beside the point. The point is most of the voting population is aligned with Trump no matter what sewage comes out of his mouth or what wretched policies are issued from his desk. As long as white Evangelicals are satisfied with the end results, the means are irrelevant.

Well Trump got only 46% of the vote, which, by my count, isn’t a majority.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 27, 2018 • 11:55:52am

re: #10 Anymouse 🌹

Most of the voting population is aligned with Trump? The three million fewer who voted for him and the large group that didn’t vote for anyone or voted third party? That majority?

I agree, it’s not ‘most’.

But it sure is a disturbingly large fraction.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 11:57:00am

re: #12 thecommodore

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Yeah because conservatives are always so nice to liberals. Calling David Hogg a Nazi and belittling him for not getting into UCLA was totally nice.//

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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 11:57:09am

re: #9 HappyWarrior

I have to agree. Poor guy.

I’m not sure Poor guy is the word, I get it but there’s been “lives celebrated” to the point of exhaustion. I think GHW has made his peace long before his wife left. I hope he’s still able to make his own decisions. That would be horrible.

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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 11:57:37am

On another note. Acts of kindness. Western Rat Snake was caught in some garden netting out in the hot sun for who knows how long. Big long drink.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 11:58:01am

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

I agree, it’s not ‘most’.

But it sure is a disturbingly large fraction.

It certainly is.

He is slowly losing support though. An awful lot of people here simply pulled the lever for him because he had the (R) after his name.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 11:59:11am

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

I agree, it’s not ‘most’.

But it sure is a disturbingly large fraction.

Said it the other day. I worry two things that too many people who look like me like Trump and assume I do too or PoC assume I do since white males are Trump’s biggest support demo. Even worse for my Dad since he’s a Southern white high school grad over 65.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 27, 2018 • 12:00:09pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

On another note. Acts of kindness.

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Wow - thirsty snake!

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:00:21pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

I’m not sure Poor guy is the word, I get it but there’s been “lives celebrated” to the point of exhaustion. I think GHW has made his peace long before his wife left. I hope he’s still able to make his own decisions. That would be horrible.

Yeah true. I just feel bad because I just hope his last days are comfortable and this doesn’t seem to be the case.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:01:01pm

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹

It certainly is.

He is slowly losing support though. An awful lot of people here simply pulled the lever for him because he had the (R) after his name.

Hopefully they vote against him and his party in the next elections.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 27, 2018 • 12:01:52pm

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹

It certainly is.

He is slowly losing support though. An awful lot of people here simply pulled the lever for him because he had the (R) after his name.

As Matt Yglesias says, the key story of his polling is not about how high his floor is, but rather how low his ceiling. ‘Strongly disapprove’ is running twice as high as ‘strongly approve’.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:03:34pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

As Matt Yglesias says, the key story of his polling is not about how high his floor is, but rather how low his ceiling. ‘Strongly disapprove’ is running twice as high as ‘strongly approve’.

We need to get the strongly disapproves out in droves.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 12:04:44pm

The National Hurricane Center is predicting within the next twelve hours sub-tropical storm Alberto will be upgraded to a tropical storm (the wind field will completely wrap around a warm-core centre which is already forming).

nhc.noaa.gov

(Storm discussion page)

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Belafon  May 27, 2018 • 12:07:06pm

re: #8 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Prior to Trump, we were at the same stage that I am sure a lot of antebellum Northerners we’re thinking that no one would want to leave. Since Trump’s election, we are now in the build-up stage. Notice how many people are running for office that wouldn’t have considered it before? Notice the special election wins, or how close the losses have been?
The hardest thing about paying as much attention as we do is that not everything we hear affect the course of events or the outcome. Our attention can lead us to despair, which can lead to inaction or just a sense that nothing will change.

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 12:07:10pm

Hey Blind Frog, if you are around.

My bellyaching was snark. It was based on your comment about manipulated images and how far do you want to carry it?

Sorry. Should have /// the hell out of it. I stopped using them because some said snark was evident.

Everything is contentious anymore. I don’t know about a lot of the other users, but I find many times I start a comment and then wipe it out. I don’t know if that is healthy. It happens with images I start and then stop too.

I know my feelings are based on all the frustration from everything Trump. I am confused.

He is even affecting the Democrat/Liberal/progressive side of things because here we are debating (arguing/fighting if you choose) over the proper responses to him, the words used or not, or how much or how little we are too optimistic, or too pessimistic about those responses.

Yeah, it bums me out. And that sucks. Sorry everyone.

Happy Fucking holiday!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 12:08:19pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:12:39pm

re: #27 ObserverArt

Hey Blind Frog, if you are around.

My bellyaching was snark. It was based on your comment about manipulated images and how far do you want to carry it?

Sorry. Should have /// the hell out of it. I stopped using them because some said snark was evident.

Everything is contentious anymore. I don’t know about a lot of the other users, but I find many times I start a comment and then wipe it out. I don’t know if that is healthy. It happens with images I start and then stop too.

I know my feelings are based on all the frustration from everything Trump. I am confused.

He is even affecting the Democrat/Liberal/progressive side of things because here we are debating (arguing/fighting if you choose) over the proper responses to him, the words used or not, or how much or how little we are too optimistic, or too pessimistic about those responses.

Yeah, it bums me out. And that sucks. Sorry everyone.

Happy Fucking holiday!

We’re all understandably tense. This administration can get the worst of good people like you and BF.

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Nyet  May 27, 2018 • 12:13:34pm

And a thread:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 12:15:13pm

Off-topic: In one of Amazon’s daily contests, my wife just won a set of wireless computer speakers and bamboo-fiber socks.

Not sure what to do with the speakers she already owns.

Now back to your Daily Dumpster fire of politics. /s

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Citizen K  May 27, 2018 • 12:15:36pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

As Matt Yglesias says, the key story of his polling is not about how high his floor is, but rather how low his ceiling. ‘Strongly disapprove’ is running twice as high as ‘strongly approve’.

I’m not sure I can believe that these days. Because the floor is important: the floor shows just how much he can get away with, and not lose support. And as pointed out, the high disapproval does not necessarily translate into even support against in the end, much less votes against. The floor means the sort of rabid support that will always come out for him or any one with that magic (R). A high floor mean that it’s that much harder and desperate to bring down the ceiling and make that translate into votes. The sheer rabidness of GOP base voting is part of why we’re in this shitshow to begin with: they crawl over glass to vote their guy, while we have half our voting base treating the Dem party itself as the devil and the reason why Trump won to begin with.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 12:18:32pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:19:23pm

re: #30 Nyet

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You’re tougher than I. I’d lose it having to deal with deniers. I’m visiting Auschwitz this summer when I go to Slovakia and Poland with my cousins.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 12:25:24pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

You’re tougher than I. I’d lose it having to deal with deniers. I’m visiting Auschwitz this summer when I go to Slovakia and Poland with my cousins.

When I was in Gdansk, Poland, I specifically avoided visiting Stutthof Concentration Camp (though my wife encouraged me to go). Too overwhelming for me.

I stuck to gastronomical and pre-WW2 historical points-of-interest. The only WW2 point-of-interest I went to see was the Danzig Post Office (the site of the opening combat), primarily because my village postmaster wanted me to take photographs for him. (I did send a whole bunch of postcards from there to friends and family).

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meteor  May 27, 2018 • 12:29:07pm
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Nyet  May 27, 2018 • 12:31:11pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Have finally visited a few weeks ago.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 12:31:20pm

re: #30 Nyet

Where do you dig these crazy people up?

And as for corporations being some sort of self-policing group which will not exploit people for profit, YouTube stands as a monumental refutation. They don’t care what you post as long as they can make money from it.

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 12:31:33pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

I have to agree. Poor guy.

“Poor guy”? He’s 90 fucking years old.

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SteelPH  May 27, 2018 • 12:32:35pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

“Poor guy”? He’s 90 fucking years old.

Doesn’t mean we can’t be empathic here.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 12:35:47pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

“Gastronomic points-of-interest” is a euphemism for “restaurants,” if Maggie Haberman is keeping score.

Perhaps we need a new term, such as “Habermanism.”

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 12:35:52pm

re: #40 SteelPH

Doesn’t mean we can’t be empathic here.

He’s had a very good life. Everybody dies.

Want to see some real poor guys? I’ll be glad to show you some homeless veterans in my town, who can’t even afford rent for an apartment.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:37:20pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

“Poor guy”? He’s 90 fucking years old.

He’s still in extreme discomfort in his final days. You know what I meant. No need to be pedantic here.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 12:37:28pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

He’s had a very good life. Everybody dies.

Want to see some real poor guys? I’ll be glad to show you some homeless veterans in my town, who can’t even afford rent for an apartment.

We need that +100 button, Mr. Johnson.

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TedStriker  May 27, 2018 • 12:38:43pm

re: #39 Skip Intro

“Poor guy”? He’s 90 fucking years old.

re: #40 SteelPH

Doesn’t mean we can’t be empathic here.

re: #42 Skip Intro

He’s had a very good life. Everybody dies.

Want to see some real poor guys? I’ll be glad to show you some homeless veterans in my town, who can’t even afford rent for an apartment.

‘Scuse me, gents…

*slides out of the room for a bit before the barfight starts ///*

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dangerman  May 27, 2018 • 12:38:52pm

re: #40 SteelPH

Doesn’t mean we can’t be empathic here.

This here is funny even as I know what you meant

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William Lewis  May 27, 2018 • 12:38:59pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

He’s had a very good life. Everybody dies.

Want to see some real poor guys? I’ll be glad to show you some homeless veterans in my town, who can’t even afford rent for an apartment.

Tell them about HUDVASH then, section 8 vouchers for homeless vets.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:39:03pm

re: #42 Skip Intro

He’s had a very good life. Everybody dies.

Want to see some real poor guys? I’ll be glad to show you some homeless veterans in my town, who can’t even afford rent for an apartment.

You know that I have sympathy for them as well right? Don’t pull that A can’t be B stuff here please. I understand what you mean here but it’s reminding me of those who used homeless vets to say we can’t feel for refugees.

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 12:39:15pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Getting old is a real bitch, Happy. Some day you’ll find out.

No one is exempt, but some people get the best care in the world for it. I’ll save my empathy for those who don’t.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:42:33pm

re: #49 Skip Intro

Getting old is a real bitch, Happy. Some day you’ll find out.

No one is exempt, but some people get the best care in the world for it. I’ll save my empathy for those who don’t.

I understand what you’re saying. He’s still someone’s father, grandfather, and great grandfather though. Anyhow. Let’s just leave it at that. No need to get into an argument over this. You have your way of seeing this and I have mine and I think both are valid..

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:44:48pm

re: #47 William Lewis

Tell them about HUDVASH then, section 8 vouchers for homeless vets.

One of McAuliffe’s great successes here as governor of Virginia and what honestly changed my opinion of him as both a man and governor is how he handled our homeless vet problem.

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BigPapa  May 27, 2018 • 12:44:58pm

re: #41 Anymouse 🌹

“Gastronomic points-of-interest” is a euphemism for “restaurants,” if Maggie Haberman is keeping score.

Perhaps we need a new term, such as “Habermanism.”

When you’re being exuberantly euphemistic = Habermanate

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 12:45:53pm

re: #47 William Lewis

Tell them about HUDVASH then, section 8 vouchers for homeless vets.

First you have to find them. Ever go looking through homeless camps for vets? By then it’s too late for many of them because they’re addicted and/or are mentally ill. It’s one the big tragedies of this country, one that just gets swept under the rug because it makes people uncomfortable knowing about it.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:46:52pm

re: #53 Skip Intro

First you have to find them. Ever go looking through homeless camps for vets? By then it’s too late for many of them because they’re addicted and/or are mentally ill. It’s one the big tragedies of this country, one that just gets swept under the rug because it makes people uncomfortable knowing about it.

I agree with you on that. It’s a big problem for the reasons you say.

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 12:49:02pm

Almost Half Of Republicans Believe Millions Voted Illegally In The 2016 Election

Of course they do, because Dolt45 says it and the media reports it as though it was true.

huffingtonpost.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 27, 2018 • 12:50:08pm

re: #27 ObserverArt

Hey Blind Frog, if you are around.

My bellyaching was snark. It was based on your comment about manipulated images and how far do you want to carry it?

Sorry. Should have /// the hell out of it. I stopped using them because some said snark was evident.

I know. That’s why I said, “Quit yer bellyachin’” rather than a long treatise on you misunderstanding me. You snark, I snark, we all snark for Ice Cream.

Everything is contentious anymore. I don’t know about a lot of the other users, but I find many times I start a comment and then wipe it out. I don’t know if that is healthy. It happens with images I start and then stop too.

I know my feelings are based on all the frustration from everything Trump. I am confused.

He is even affecting the Democrat/Liberal/progressive side of things because here we are debating (arguing/fighting if you choose) over the proper responses to him, the words used or not, or how much or how little we are too optimistic, or too pessimistic about those responses.

Yeah, it bums me out. And that sucks. Sorry everyone.

Happy Fucking holiday!

With Haberman, you have to realize that whether you like HOW she says things or not, she reports a lot of useful stuff, and this has immensely helped our understanding of not only Trump, but of how his dysfunctional White House functions.

And she’s prickly, and self-righteous when criticized. But still her reporting is useful, and no, it’s not just stenography. Between her, and Josh Marshall, and Hoarse Whisperer, you get a pretty damn understanding of Trump.

I personally believe that understanding the totality of Trump’s lying, exaggerating, and bullshitting, in the context of his disconnection from actual reality in favor of the one created in his head by his own perceptions/wishes/fears is important.

Sadly, I fear that up to 40% of Americans believe in the same reality.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:50:45pm

re: #55 Skip Intro

Almost Half Of Republicans Believe Millions Voted Illegally In The 2016 Election

Of course they do, because Dolt45 says it and the media reports it as though it was true.

huffingtonpost.com

I think that in a nutshell illustrates why I feel I can’t do discourse with them. Alternative realities enabled by Trump telling them. I’m sure you can find other examples of this.

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Nyet  May 27, 2018 • 12:50:47pm
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PhillyPretzel  May 27, 2018 • 12:52:09pm

re: #55 Skip Intro

I can only speak for 53-09, 53-11, 53-12, 53-15, and 53-23 in NE Philly. To my knowledge no illegals voted in those mentioned wards-divisions.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:54:00pm

re: #59 PhillyPretzel

I can only speak for 53-09, 53-11, 53-12, 53-15, and 53-23 in NE Philly. To my knowledge no illegals voted in those mentioned wards-divisions.

You know what pisses me off most about when Republicans cry voter fraud? It’s that more Republican officials have been caught committing voter fraud than undocumented immigrants. It’s all a gigantic projection designed to have their supporters doubt the legitimacy of any Republican defeat/Democrat victory or even in this case, Trump losing the popular vote but winning the EC. He’s going to cry out fraud if he loses the popular vote in 2020. I’m worried that could cause a real crisis.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 12:54:15pm

re: #59 PhillyPretzel

I can only speak for 53-09, 53-11, 53-12, 53-15, and 53-23 in NE Philly. To my knowledge no illegals voted in those mentioned wards-divisions.

Undocumented people are not voting anywhere. They don’t generally put themselves at risk like that. There have been plenty of reports to validate this.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:54:46pm

re: #61 JordanRules

Undocumented people are not voting anywhere. They don’t generally put themselves at risk like that. There have been plenty of reports to validate this.

They also aren’t take millions and billions of “Mah tax monies.”

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 12:54:52pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Leonard Pitts did a column today on just this after some of his readers got down on him for not trying to have a “conversation” with Trumpers. He simply printed their emails to him, then ended by asking if anyone still thought these people were reachable. It was completely obvious that they were not.

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PhillyPretzel  May 27, 2018 • 12:56:29pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

re: #61 JordanRules

I know. This past election I was on the election board and I saw it first hand. There were no illegals voting. It is nothing but a bunch of people trying to get attention and trying to ruin the election process.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:57:29pm

re: #63 Skip Intro

Leonard Pitts did a column today on just this after some of his readers got down on him for not trying to have a “conversation” with Trumpers. He simply printed their emails to him, then ended by asking if anyone still thought these people were reachable. It was completely obvious that they were not.

Exactly. I mean some people you disagree with you can have a reasonable conversation with. I don’t agree with you on everything but your opinions/observations are based in reality and not made up bs intended to discredit basic reality. The funny thing I’d love to ask is if they really believe that Trump “won” the popular vote then isn’t it also plausible that he lost by enough in those close states that could have swung the EC to Clinton but as you and Pitts get at, people like that aren’t reachable.

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 12:57:33pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

Hey Mouse, this is right up your alley, is it not?

#CockyGate.

How an author trademarking the word “cocky” turned the romance novel industry inside out

Gentle reader: Before we delve into the long tale that lies ahead — a tale of hubris, furious romance novelists, and intellectual property law — I ask you to take a moment to contemplate all of the “cocky” puns to which I, your humble reporter, have heroically chosen not to subject you.

I will not snidely remark that someone’s feeling cocky. I will not call this a cocky-and-bull story. I will not lament that the whole thing was started by someone going off half-cockyed. This is a sacrifice, and I have made it.

Thank you for bearing with me. Now let’s get into it: This is the story of #CockyGate.

The word cocky is beloved among certain romance novelists, both for its suggestion of arrogant, alpha-male heroes and for its euphemistic potential. After Penelope Ward and Vi Keeland’s Cocky Bastard became a major hit in 2015, romance novels with “cocky” in their titles became a veritable trend.

One among the trendsters was indie author Faleena Hopkins, a prolific self-published romance novelist whose books include a series she’s titled Cocker Brothers, The Cocky Series. It focuses on a set of brothers and eventually their children, all cocky and all with different job titles: Cocky Heart Surgeon, Cocky Cowboy, Cocky Senator, and so on.

vox.com

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 12:57:53pm

re: #64 PhillyPretzel

I know. This past election I was on the election board and I saw it first hand. There were no illegals voting. It is nothing but a bunch of people trying to get attention and trying to ruin the election process.

It’s trying to discredit our democracy. Bug not a feature thing IMO.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 12:58:30pm

Of headlines and verbs….

A recent Pew article: Number of Foreign College Students Staying and Working in U.S. After Graduation Surges

So there, if foreign student graduates are staying, then we have no problem with foreigners still wanting to come here to study, right?

Wrong.

The problem is that Pew’s last data is from 2016, from before the election.

The verb form in the headline that Pew should have used is “surged”, past tense. A better headline would have been ” Number of Foreign College Students Staying and Working in U.S. After Graduation Surged from 2008 to 2016”.

Academics have recently pointed out that since Trump took office that at least some fields have shown concern about how foreign students now feel about coming to and staying in America.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 1:00:39pm

re: #68 freetoken

Of headlines and verbs….

A recent Pew article: Number of Foreign College Students Staying and Working in U.S. After Graduation Surges

So there, if foreign student graduates are staying, then we have no problem with foreigners still wanting to come here to study, right?

Wrong.

The problem is that Pew’s last data is from 2016, from before the election.

The verb form in the headline that Pew should have used is “surged”, past tense. A better headline would have been ” Number of Foreign College Students Staying and Working in U.S. After Graduation Surged from 2008 to 2016”.

Academics have recently pointed out that since Trump took office that at least some fields have shown concern about how foreign students now feel about coming to and staying in America.

From 2008-16, we had a President that was a son of a foreign college student who stayed in the US. But yeah I’d love to see the data the past two years because Trump really has created an unwelcoming environment here. I see people try to MBF by pointing out Obama’s immigration record which I concede could have been better but that also ignores the differences in tone between Obama and Trump, that may not mean anything if you’re on the outside looking in but if you’re an immigrant or on an immigration visa, that means a lot.

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 1:06:10pm

Think I’ll take a short break again. I’m getting mad; not at anybody here, just at how totally fucked up our country is now.

BBL.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 1:07:20pm

Age of bullshit:
ONE-THIRD OF AMERICANS DON’T BELIEVE 6 MILLION JEWS WERE MURDERED DURING THE HOLOCAUST

One-third of Americans think “substantially less” than 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, according to a new survey that highlights a worrying lack of basic knowledge about the World War II-era genocide.

The Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, or Claims Conference, released the findings of its survey to coincide with Holocaust Remembrance Day. They show a notable lack of understanding among Americans, especially millennials, the group said.

Almost Half Of Republicans Believe Millions Voted Illegally In The 2016 Election

Nearly half of Republicans believe millions of people voted illegally in the last presidential election ― a claim that President Donald Trump has repeatedly made, even though neither he nor anyone else has produced concrete evidence to show it’s true.

Forty-eight percent of Republicans said they believe between 3 million and 5 million people voted illegally in 2016, while 17 percent said they do not, according to a new HuffPost/YouGov poll. Another 35 percent of the GOP said they were unsure.

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goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2018 • 1:08:50pm

re: #58 Nyet

That guy is a good example of crank-magnetism. A holocaust denier who is also a quack. His bio:

Got CFS/ME, Vaccine injury, Lyme, Cancer etc.? Does your doctor turn you down? Check out integrative healing modalities around the world and self-help tips.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 1:09:04pm
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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 1:12:33pm

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Besides doing my irregular check of the PewResearch website, I also peeked in on the Gallup website.

I say, the latter have gone way, way over the edge in that Advertising-Age type of way, in slick marketing of polling to corporations and others. While I have issues with how Pew spins their headlines, they are much more open about what they are doing.

Anyway, polling is not a way to find out what people think.

Polling is a way to find out how people take polls.

The method of polling, by voice, by website, etc. makes a difference in the results (as a recent Gallup Methodology blog entry shows.)

Polling is, to the popular “media” (by which I mean the companies who sell words and pictures to get ears and eyes, in order to then sell advertisements to make money), the new Horoscopes section, I propose.

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Nyet  May 27, 2018 • 1:13:20pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

It’s in to be a denier and a flatearther at the same time. Not joking.

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 1:13:45pm

90° feels like 93°…65° dew point. Current climate conditions in freaking Ohio at the end of May.

I blame Trump.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 1:15:58pm

re: #75 Nyet

It’s in to be a denier and a flatearther at the same time. Not joking.

Just like it’s “in” to think the Nazis weren’t so bad.

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PhillyPretzel  May 27, 2018 • 1:15:58pm

re: #76 ObserverArt

This is what the Delaware Valley map looks like.
weather.gov

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 1:17:14pm

re: #75 Nyet

It’s in to be a denier and a flatearther at the same time. Not joking.

I’m sure it is not limited there either. Might as well go all in if you’re going down the hole.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 27, 2018 • 1:18:03pm

See ! ! ! All those burdensome government regulations don’t actually stop anything anyway.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 1:20:42pm

re: #80 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

See ! ! ! All those burdensome government regulations don’t actually stop anything anyway.

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Government hands off of mah metal burger.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 1:21:41pm

Decided to check in with the Brexit-process news… and find it is going as expected.

Lots of people blaming each other and yelling, very little progress.

The UK only has a bit over 300 days to sort this out.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 1:22:42pm

re: #82 freetoken

Decided to check in with the Brexit-process news… and find it is going as expected.

Lots of people blaming each other and yelling, very little progress.

The UK only has a bit over 300 days to sort this out.

I think this mess is exactly why the Scots wanted to get out of the UK.

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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 1:23:15pm

Prepare for r/t flood

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goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2018 • 1:25:55pm

re: #75 Nyet

It’s in to be a denier and a flatearther at the same time. Not joking.

Collecting delusions like they’re Pokemon, gotta catch ‘em all.

I think for many it starts out as cynical play acting just to troll, which then turns into method acting as they feel a mounting need to sustain their arguments. Over time they fall down the rabbit hole and completely lose whatever it was they were before as the insanity consumes them. If people knowingly repeat a lie often enough they will eventually, reflexively forget that it is a lie and come to believe it. We’re dealing with pure distilled bad faith that no level of education can ever really combat because the entire point of the exercise is reactionary anti-enlightenment where lying is a way of life.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 1:27:48pm

Example of how Brexit is going to mess up a lot of things:

The Observer view on the standoff over the Galileo project

Divorce is often ugly and the UK is going to get a lot of stuff thrown up/out/over-the-side.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 1:28:01pm

I dunno why but I was reading about the history of racism in baseball the other day but anyhow it got me thinking about how people complain about how history is trying to be destroyed and how all these protests about statues is “new.” But it’s not. Reminds me of what our own JoeBacon told me about how when he was an undergrad at Pitt, there were protests of the Stephen Foster slave statue.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 1:29:03pm

re: #86 freetoken

Example of how Brexit is going to mess up a lot of things:

The Observer view on the standoff over the Galileo project

Divorce is often ugly and the UK is going to get a lot of stuff thrown up/out/over-the-side.

My favorite part of the whole thing was when I think some mayor or MP in Cornwall wanted the benefits of EU membership but still wanted to leave. Either suck it up and stay in the EU or leave and deal with the consequences.

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Chrysicat  May 27, 2018 • 1:30:48pm
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Nyet  May 27, 2018 • 1:31:33pm

re: #84 Dave In Austin

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 1:31:52pm

re: #78 PhillyPretzel

This is what the Delaware Valley map looks like.
weather.gov

We had that yesterday. I heard there was flooding on Rt 33 south of Columbus about 45 minutes and the road was closed. That would be the Hocking river area. I’ve never heard of that being flooded before. I guess that whole county got hammered. There were some heavy concentrated rains.

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Jay C  May 27, 2018 • 1:39:29pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

My favorite part of the whole thing was when I think some mayor or MP in Cornwall wanted the benefits of EU membership but still wanted to leave. Either suck it up and stay in the EU or leave and deal with the consequences.

Wasn’t that the same area that, it was determined, was getting something like €100M annually in benefits from the EU - which the local government pointed out to them in numerous ads - but still voted “Leave” in large numbers?
And whose voters, in post-Brexit polling, IIRC, never quite could explain their motivations clearly outside of vague “nationalism”, i.e. “too many foreigners”??

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Varek Raith  May 27, 2018 • 1:41:50pm

I watched this segment this morning. It was infuriating listening to them.
Hacks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 27, 2018 • 1:41:51pm

re: #92 Jay C

And whose voters, in post-Brexit polling, IIRC, never quite could explain their motivations clearly outside of vague “nationalism”, i.e. “too many foreigners”??

If they want to keep any benefits from trading with the EU, they will have to accept EU rules - without having a vote in how they are made.

And they sold Brexit to a lot of people as increasing their “self-determination”.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 1:41:58pm

I’ve been fact checking my own memory recently. In particular, I have had the impression for many years that many paranoid conspiracy theories originated in the drug culture in the 60s and 70s and migrated from there to fundamentalist Christianity. I haven’t collected all the data I want, but early indications seem to confirm my impression. The specific vector was the very large effort by various evangelists to co-opt the counterculture during that period. Jesus Movement
Jesus Freaks

This strain of conspiracism eventually worked its way into the Evangelical mainstream where it melded into the established Birch/McCarthy style of conspiracism, creating the right wing conspiracy culture we know and loathe today. The drug culture tended to provide specific claims while Birch/McCarthy provided the style and underlying worldview.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 1:42:19pm
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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 1:42:49pm
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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 1:46:12pm

re: #95 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The west-coast Jesus-hippy crowd, that eventually became the likes of Calvary Chapel, etc., are quite into escapist fantasies.

But, I will note here, America has always been ripe pickings for religious escapism and strange ideas.

Take Mormonism, for example.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 1:47:05pm

What exactly can the public do when the media commits malpractice and excuses or minimizes bigotry and nonstop lies for months on end? Media outlets spent more time fixated on Clinton’s health or her emails than they did on the Access Hollywood tape that should have caused nonstop investigations into Trump’s background, revealed the Cohen payments then, and the chicanery about payments to other women.

Trump projected all his criminality on to others - especially Clinton. The media breathlessly covered Trump’s smears of the Clinton Foundation and except for a few notable examples, didn’t cover Trump’s “charitable” foundation or Trump U to the same extent, when those were actually engaged in criminal acts or violated state or federal laws.

It was the media that set the agenda, and if the public is misinformed as a result, how can we vote on the best information available at the time. The media helped shape the narratives and the outcome.

And as we continue to see - they all refuse to own up to their own role in this mess. They’d rather protect their access than do the right thing even now.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 1:47:13pm

re: #47 William Lewis

Tell them about HUDVASH then, section 8 vouchers for homeless vets.

Only applies to veterans who are VA care eligible (that is, disabled in military service).

Section 8 housing is only useful in places where it exists in sufficient quantity (or at all).

va.gov

Veterans who are appropriate candidates for this program demonstrate the most need or vulnerability and must need case management services in order to obtain and sustain independent community housing. HUD-VASH targets the chronically homeless Veteran who is the most vulnerable and often has severe mental or physical health problems and/or substance use disorders, with frequent emergency room visits, multiple treatment attempts, and limited access to other social supports. However, other Veterans who are homeless with diminished functional capacity and resultant need for case management are also eligible for the program.

Under those conditions, I was not eligible as a homeless vet, even though I am eligible for VA medical care.

There are also myths about who qualifies for the programme and who can be excluded from it, the more common detailed here.

community.solutions

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 1:50:08pm

re: #99 lawhawk

Young people today spend a lot more time communicating on social media than they do listening/watching to the old-media.

This has its own problems, as I find a large gap between what old people are consuming as “information” and what young people are consuming. This may be the most extreme we’ve had in American society, for this type of thing.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 1:54:04pm

re: #92 Jay C

Wasn’t that the same area that, it was determined, was getting something like €100M annually in benefits from the EU - which the local government pointed out to them in numerous ads - but still voted “Leave” in large numbers?
And whose voters, in post-Brexit polling, IIRC, never quite could explain their motivations clearly outside of vague “nationalism”, i.e. “too many foreigners”??

I believe so yes.

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Jay C  May 27, 2018 • 1:54:42pm

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they want to keep any benefits from trading with the EU, they will have to accept EU rules - without having a vote in how they are made.

And they sold Brexit to a lot of people as increasing their “self-determination”.

Yeah, one would think: (and ISTM that those people that DID “think” voted “Remain”) - but the Brexit campaign (IMO) never seemed to be totally - or even mainly - about economic “benefit”, but was aimed squarely at the average Briton’s English persons’ innate insularity, xenophobia and general ego-nationalism. The purely “economic” aspects of the “Leave” campaign were generally either outright lying (their supposed “healthcare savings”, etc) or a vague invocation of hazy nostalgia about the Good Old Days when GB was a globe-girdling Empire and “free” to exploit said globe for the Mother Country’s advantage (and a bonanza of prosperity for all)*. That it really isn’t 1910 anymore was NOT a message that the Leavers were anxious to push…..

Comparisons to a recent political campaign in the US are entirely intentional.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 1:55:04pm

As I age I expect to lose touch with what people a whole lot younger than I buy as their entertainment.

However, I’ve noticed the past few years, even though I am passingly aware of major block-buster movies and of television programs, that there are many “celebrities” about whom I know nothing, and even their names are strange.

There is now an industry based around online entertainment via social-media to which I am completely oblivious.

This will make me antiquated sooner than expected, I fear.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 1:55:23pm

re: #66 Skip Intro

Hey Mouse, this is right up your alley, is it not?

#CockyGate.

How an author trademarking the word “cocky” turned the romance novel industry inside out

vox.com

Cancellation of the trademark is pending.

It was registered April 17, and the cancellation process began this month.

No one has really turned the Romance novel industry upside-down.

Vox is mostly promoting clickbait and a hashtag to promote their article.

trademarks.justia.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 1:58:25pm

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 1:59:15pm

Deleted #106, as it was half of #105.

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Nyet  May 27, 2018 • 2:00:00pm

BTW, BigPapa and I saw some pretty sour Irish anti-choicers today on twitter. It was sweet.

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Nyet  May 27, 2018 • 2:04:18pm

I’ll post some for anyone who wants to have fun.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 2:06:50pm

re: #108 Nyet

Teresa May is pushing their agenda and is looking to prevent the will of the people from being implemented in Ireland. She’s not going to relax the draconian anti-abortion laws on the books.

She’s using the excuse that Northern Ireland doesn’t have a government to ignore the outcome of the vote.

A spokeswoman for May said on Sunday changing the rules should only be undertaken by a government in Northern Ireland, which has been without a devolved executive since January last year after a power-sharing agreement collapsed.

May tweeted on Sunday to “congratulate the Irish people on their decision” but she made no mention of what the result would mean for Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland has some of the most restrictive abortion laws in Europe with even rape and fatal fetal abnormality not considered legal grounds for a termination. And unlike other parts of the United Kingdom, abortions are banned apart from when the life or mental health of the mother is in danger.

Since the collapse of a power sharing administration in Northern Ireland, British officials have been taking major decisions in the region and this means the government could legislate directly despite health being a devolved issue.

But any moves to change the law could destabilize the British government by antagonizing the socially conservative Democratic Unionist Party, which May depends on for her parliamentary majority.

So, the British govt has been making the decisions for the Irish, but they are suddenly deciding not to do so here.

The more this kind of thing occurs, the more the Irish need to consider breaking from the UK altogether. They didn’t want Brexit either, and yet they’re being dragged along for that ride too.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 2:07:11pm

re: #76 ObserverArt

90° feels like 93°…65° dew point. Current climate conditions in freaking Ohio at the end of May.

I blame Trump.

Here comes the heavy weather. Tornado warning between Laramie and Cheyenne, Wyo.

Things will get interesting here later, for variable quantities of “interesting.”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 2:09:21pm

This tornado will be near…
Federal and Horse Creek [Wyo.] around 315 PM MDT.

This includes Interstate 25 in Wyoming between mile markers 19 and 22. (The north area of Cheyenne)

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 2:09:36pm

re: #110 lawhawk

Came across an Irish blog today which touched on how the vote in the RoI might end up being trouble for the UK, as it will turn out that NI will have much stricter laws regarding abortion than the Republic, and the only reason for that is that the Unionists in NI are anti-abortion, but Westminster needs them even though Westminster is pretty liberal on the whole about abortion.

It’s just another straw in the Brexit basket that will break the camel’s back.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 2:10:58pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 2:12:35pm

re: #109 Nyet

I’ll post some for anyone who wants to have fun.

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Maybe because they know people who have died as a result of forced pregnancies. Whining about them being happy is stupid knowing the history of how abortion rights have been handled in Ireland.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 2:15:25pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Maybe because they know how women used to get around being forcibly impregnated by their husbands or significant others.

Maybe because they know how women tried to end unwanted pregnancies and suffered from all kinds of catastrophic and deadly consequences of back-alley abortions.

Maybe because they saw how women gained agency and control over their bodies everywhere else in Europe and saw how anti-abortion laws continued to deny women control over their own person.

Maybe because women are tired of moralizing religious extremists making baseless claims and using psuedoscience to continue policies that criminalized abortion and forced women to live with consequences of rape or incest.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 2:17:05pm

Nice day on the High Plains

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 2:23:03pm

re: #98 freetoken

The west-coast Jesus-hippy crowd, that eventually became the likes of Calvary Chapel, etc., are quite into escapist fantasies.

But, I will note here, America has always been ripe pickings for religious escapism and strange ideas.

Take Mormonism, for example.

Quite true but ideas like the secret tunnel network and mind control beams have a definite drug culture tinge to them. This is especially so in the latter case because it originates in actual CIA and military experiments in the 50s and 60s. The conspiracy part is that this technology was developed and deployed to an extent far beyond what is reasonably plausible. I first heard of both these CTs from counterculture oriented Evangelicals (eg “Jesus Freaks) way back in the mid 70s. At the time this was in the process of combining with the Charismatic movement, which had originated among very conservative mainstream Evangelicals in the early 60s, and which was actually just a middle class version of Pentecostal revivalism. With their open belief in magic, the Charismatics provided fertile ground for these imported counterculture ideas (another example of “crank magnetism”).
I first heard of Kenneth Copeland in about 1978, when a breathlessly excited Charismatic told me that Copeland’s ideas were so sensational and fantastic that they could not be shared with the general public. He implied that there was a government effort to suppress Copeland. That line of Evangelical conspiracism did not survive the election of Reagan, the Russians had not thought of the Deep State yet, but it remained latent, like a virus spore, and was revived during the Clinton Administration.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 2:23:04pm

Populists left and right refuse to see thare: #116 lawhawk

Maybe because they know how women used to get around being forcibly impregnated by their husbands or significant others.

Maybe because they know how women tried to end unwanted pregnancies and suffered from all kinds of catastrophic and deadly consequences of back-alley abortions.

Maybe because they saw how women gained agency and control over their bodies everywhere else in Europe and saw how anti-abortion laws continued to deny women control over their own person.

Maybe because women are tired of moralizing religious extremists making baseless claims and using psuedoscience to continue policies that criminalized abortion and forced women to live with consequences of rape or incest.

Well said

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 27, 2018 • 2:25:39pm

HOLY CRAP
West of Baltimore, just outside the I-695 ring

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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 2:25:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 2:26:28pm

Second tornado warning just went up in the northwest and north of Cheyenne.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 2:27:37pm

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Copeland marks will buy almost anything.

As you note, the crossover from secular fantasies from the cold war into American Pentacostalism/Charismatics isn’t that big a leap for people believing in magic.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 2:29:47pm

re: #120 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Wow, that’s some flooding.

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DodgerFan1988  May 27, 2018 • 2:36:04pm

It was always been about race and not the economy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 27, 2018 • 2:39:16pm
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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 2:43:17pm

re: #126 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I grew up in Brooklyn. JFK is Queens. Jamaica is Queens.

No one calls either part of Long Island (even though Long Island - the actual island - comprises Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau, and Suffolk counties). New Yorkers know that everyone refers to Nassau and Suffolk as Long Island while Brooklyn and Queens are part of NYC proper.

Trump lies about everything.

It’s the same way he lied about how his building in Lower Manhattan was tallest in Manhattan after the 9/11 attacks when it wasn’t - it was the Empire State Building.

All he does is lie about everything.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 2:46:10pm

re: #127 lawhawk

I have never lived in New York City, and I know Queens and Brooklyn Counties are referred to as “New York City,” not “Long Island.”

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Jay C  May 27, 2018 • 2:47:04pm

re: #113 freetoken

It’s just another straw in the Brexit basket that will break the camel’s back.

Dunno: while Irish issues may/already have prove a stumbling-block in the Brexit negotiations, in this case, it seems like economic issues (mainly the “hard border” question) are going to prove a bigger factor than abortion politics.

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Eventual Carrion  May 27, 2018 • 2:48:26pm

re: #2 JordanRules

Megan’s thread is a hot mess.

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Maybe all those black hoards that you gun nuts are so fucking scared of, Megan? Those inner-city hoodlums that kill at the drop of a hat? Those M - whatever number today killers that are out there in record numbers? Those godless scum that have no moral compass? Seems you have built many boogiemen to be scared of.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 27, 2018 • 2:52:08pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

I have never lived in New York City, and I know Queens and Brooklyn Counties are referred to as “New York City,” not “Long Island.”

That’s Queens and Kings Counties. Brooklyn is the borough

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 2:58:42pm

re: #110 lawhawk

Teresa May is pushing their agenda and is looking to prevent the will of the people from being implemented in Ireland. She’s not going to relax the draconian anti-abortion laws on the books.

She’s using the excuse that Northern Ireland doesn’t have a government to ignore the outcome of the vote.

So, the British govt has been making the decisions for the Irish, but they are suddenly deciding not to do so here.

The more this kind of thing occurs, the more the Irish need to consider breaking from the UK altogether. They didn’t want Brexit either, and yet they’re being dragged along for that ride too.

NI is complicated. The Catholics there voted to remain mostly but the Protestants like the Welsh and English voted to leave.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 2:59:45pm

Pardon my ignorance. Why does Northern Ireland have such restrictive laws on abortion? Why aren’t their laws already in line with UK abortion treatment?

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:00:13pm

re: #113 freetoken

Came across an Irish blog today which touched on how the vote in the RoI might end up being trouble for the UK, as it will turn out that NI will have much stricter laws regarding abortion than the Republic, and the only reason for that is that the Unionists in NI are anti-abortion, but Westminster needs them even though Westminster is pretty liberal on the whole about abortion.

It’s just another straw in the Brexit basket that will break the camel’s back.

It’s ironic since historically women would leave the the Republic for the UK due to abortion laws but now it may be the opposite. ROI is more socially liberal right now than NI is.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:02:59pm

re: #133 Hecuba’s daughter

Pardon my ignorance. Why does Northern Ireland have such restrictive laws on abortion? Why aren’t their laws already in line with UK abortion treatment?

That’s not an ignorant question at all. Anyhow, the four countries of the UK: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland each have their own separate laws. NI had the strictest anti abortion laws due to the heavy presence of Catholics (which is why Amendment 8 existed in the first place in the Republic) and conservative Protestants (those are mostly the Unionists). If you’ve ever heard of Ian Paisley. It’s his party that May included in her coalition and Paisley ideologically was no different from many of our American fundies. Perhaps worse in some ways.

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prairiefire  May 27, 2018 • 3:03:23pm

New avatar is of Duchess Megan’s beagle, “Guy”, getting a ride with the Queen to Westminster. I’m just as hopeful for new beginnings! He’s a BRF pup, now.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:05:29pm

Scotland by the way is why you should never let anyone tell you that it was “working class anger” that drove Brexit. The industrial areas in Scotland i.e. parts of Glasgow were bastions of remain in the EU. It’s why I got really annoyed with Sanders and Stein when they tried to “white working class splain” the situation. Funnily enough for Jill, the British Greens were the strongest supporters of staying in the EU.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 3:06:15pm

re: #130 Eventual Carrion

Maybe all those black hoards that you gun nuts are so fucking scared of, Megan? Those inner-city hoodlums that kill at the drop of a hat? Those M - whatever number today killers that are out there in record numbers? Those godless scum that have no moral compass? Seems you have built many boogiemen to be scared of.

It’s funny you should mention that because one reply to her did in fact remind her that white folks who I’m sure she’s solely basing her cosmo elite caricature on are not the only people who exist. We people of color are erased when convenient. LOL

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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 3:06:20pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:07:16pm

re: #139 jaunte

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Then I recommend against cutting your dick off. Show this libtard who’s boss!

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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 3:07:53pm

Tricksy Liberalses!

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:08:21pm

re: #138 JordanRules

It’s funny you should mention that because one reply to her did in fact remind her that white folks who I’m sure she’s solely basing her cosmo elite caricature on are not the only people who exist. We people of color are erased when convenient. LOL

They think liberals are either a bunch of sheltered elites or a bunch of poor people on welfare. They underestimate us at their own peril. I hope we never have a Civil War but I hope those assholes know this. I ain’t scared of them.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:08:23pm

re: #131 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s Queens and Kings Counties. Brooklyn is the borough

Well, then I didn’t have it quite right. Thank you for the correction.

That said, Brooklyn is a county (the second-most populous in the USA) and a borough.

It could also be a floor wax and a dessert topping.

wonkette.com

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dangerman  May 27, 2018 • 3:08:31pm

re: #127 lawhawk

I grew up in Brooklyn. JFK is Queens. Jamaica is Queens.

No one calls either part of Long Island (even though Long Island - the actual island - comprises Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau, and Suffolk counties). New Yorkers know that everyone refers to Nassau and Suffolk as Long Island while Brooklyn and Queens are part of NYC proper.

Trump lies about everything.

It’s the same way he lied about how his building in Lower Manhattan was tallest in Manhattan after the 9/11 attacks when it wasn’t - it was the Empire State Building.

All he does is lie about everything.

Lie-gate

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:09:09pm

The Wonkette link: Nevada Senate Race Lacking in Amusing Weirdos.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:09:30pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

I dunno why but I was reading about the history of racism in baseball the other day but anyhow it got me thinking about how people complain about how history is trying to be destroyed and how all these protests about statues is “new.” But it’s not. Reminds me of what our own JoeBacon told me about how when he was an undergrad at Pitt, there were protests of the Stephen Foster slave statue.

Happy I was involved with the protest along with the Black Action Society and SDS. That was the last significant action SDS did on campus before it collapsed completely in 1975.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 3:10:55pm

re: #144 dangerman

LIE-gate. Long Island Expressway gate. /

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:11:00pm

re: #146 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy I was involved with the protest along with the Black Action Society and SDS. That was the last significant action SDS did on campus before it collapsed completely in 1975.

Yep. Point being protests over outdated and bigoted statues happened a long time ago. It’s not some new phenomenon started by “SJWs”.

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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 3:11:10pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:13:14pm

If I remember New York history correctly, Brooklyn was its own city for a long time. A lot of cities are like that. Pittsburgh comes to mind. Technically speaking, none of Dad’s grandparents were actually born in Pittsburgh since his grandmother was born in Allegheny City which now encompasses Pittsburgh’s North Side. I believe Cleveland was like that too. They had Cuyahoga City or something like that. Forget the exact details the priest that helped me find Dad’s other grandmother’s baptism records. And abroad you have Budapest which historically was the two cities of Buda and Pest.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:14:46pm

Another tornado warning went up on I-25 between Casper and Torrington (the town of Glendo appears to be the target of the tornado).

The tornado will be near…
Sibley Peak around 430 PM MDT.
Glendo around 435 PM MDT.
Glendo Reservoir and Two Moon Campground around 440 PM MDT.

This includes Interstate 25 in Wyoming between mile markers 97 and
115.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:21:17pm
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austin_blue  May 27, 2018 • 3:21:57pm

re: #120 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

HOLY CRAP
West of Baltimore, just outside the I-695 ring

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My sister lives there. Fortunately well outside the river valley. Ellicot City was an old textile/mill town.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 3:22:00pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

If I remember New York history correctly, Brooklyn was its own city for a long time. A lot of cities are like that. Pittsburgh comes to mind. Technically speaking, none of Dad’s grandparents were actually born in Pittsburgh since his grandmother was born in Allegheny City which now encompasses Pittsburgh’s North Side. I believe Cleveland was like that too. They had Cuyahoga City or something like that. Forget the exact details the priest that helped me find Dad’s other grandmother’s baptism records. And abroad you have Budapest which historically was the two cities of Buda and Pest.

Brooklyn was indeed its own city until 1898 (it had been annexing towns and villages in Kings County) when Greater New York was established with Manhattan, Brooklyn, part of Queens (several towns split off and went to Nassau county), part of The Bronx, and Staten Island being integrated. The biggest impetus of the change was the construction and completion of the Brooklyn Bridge in 1882 and then subway construction.

The odd relationship between Queens and NYC is seen in fact that folks living in Rego Park or Jamaica or Forest Hills will refer to their address by the town/neighborhood name, not Queens, NY.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:22:36pm

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

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Ha!

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plansbandc  May 27, 2018 • 3:24:34pm
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dangerman  May 27, 2018 • 3:25:02pm

re: #138 JordanRules

It’s funny you should mention that because one reply to her did in fact remind her that white folks who I’m sure she’s solely basing her cosmo elite caricature on are not the only people who exist. We people of color are erased when convenient. LOL

im gonna say something i hope comes out ok

one of the things i really like about lgf is that i have no idea who or what anyone is.
age, gender, height, weight, ‘color’, country, history, ethnicity, finances, hobbies, jobs, interests etc

sure, some aliases are obvious (though i have assumed and been wrong several times). and i have met one IRL, so there is that.

i actively do not track or ‘remember’ so over and over i am reminded about some characteristic and i say “oh yeah i knew that”

it is somewhat natural to try and paint a picture of who i am talking to or reading. and it’s always wrong because it’s based on….nothing really.

i am pleased that i didnt know about you and have it consciously or not inform, cloud or influence my thinking about what you post. our insights and opinions stand for themselves here.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:25:13pm

There are now four active tornadoes in Wyoming (another tornado warning went up near Cheyenne and one near Casper).

I’m thinking our evening weather isn’t going to look so good as this stuff moves over us.

I guess I’ll find out if that temporary fix to our roof actually works.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:25:31pm

I had to turn the TV off after seeing the King of the Pulpit Pimps pushing his right wing bullshit here in California.

Yes, Franky Graham KKKraKKKer is stomping for the Republican Party here in California doing the Right Wing Church Circuit…

abc7.com

nytimes.com

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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 3:29:57pm

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

El Corvettino

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:31:41pm

re: #157 dangerman

one of the things i really like about lgf is that i have no idea who or what anyone is.
age, gender, height, weight, ‘color’, country, history, ethnicity, finances, hobbies, jobs, interests etc

Lemme ruin it for you then.

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dangerman  May 27, 2018 • 3:36:38pm

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

Lemme ruin it for you then.

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i wasnt going to peek. i thought i’d stay with the moose (mooses? meese? mice?)
then i looked

and it confirmed my point. a lot of it i already “knew”. though if asked to write your bio myself or recall the details, i would only have hit a couple of points. i would have included the scythe ;-)

basil pesto pasta for dinner so i gotta go be creative

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:38:03pm

Tornado north of Cheyenne is about to cross Interstate 25.

WyDOT webcam looking north looks pretty crappy.

wyoroad.info

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goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2018 • 3:41:44pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:42:02pm

Meanwhile here I am in Los Angeles still having to run my heater because of the unseasonably cold nights…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 3:43:45pm

Otoh, pretenders and wannabes who don’t really understand Rolls-Royce history would pretend holy horror at this:

In fact, there is a distinguished history of Rolls-Royces with pickup and other utility bodies. Many of the original Silver Ghosts survived long enough to be preserved because their overall characteristics were well suited to the towing business and they were duly converted into tow trucks. During World War I, the famous Rolls-Royce armored cars used by T.E. Lawrence and others required support vehicles with equal endurance and reliability. Rolls-Royce tenders, basically utility trucks, were the solution. This included both open (pickup) and closed (panel truck) version. There were also Rolls-Royce ambulances.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:44:43pm

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

He’s got the same birthday as Vincent!

Happy Birthday, Mr. Lee!
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:44:53pm

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

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Also condemned racial and religious prejudice while Wayne was being a racist. Not a fan of Wayne’s.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 27, 2018 • 3:47:05pm

re: #165 goddamnedfrank

One of these people was a completely artificial facade that was largely the work of John Ford
.

Guess which.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:47:44pm

Re: Wayne. One thing that peeves me is Wayne being likened to the same heroes he played. And to prove it’s not politics biased, I think Jimmy Stewart was a hero but Wayne, no.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:48:10pm

re: #170 The Ghost of a Flea

One of these people was a completely artificial facade that was largely the work of John Huston.

Guess which.

John Ford you mean I think.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 27, 2018 • 3:49:21pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I am having an intensely shit week to make that mistake.

No wait, I’m having a banner week in shit-ness in general.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 3:49:57pm

We’re being surrounded … two tornado warnings just went up near Sterling, Colo.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:50:47pm

re: #173 The Ghost of a Flea

I am having an intensely shit week to make that mistake.

No wait, I’m having a banner week in shit-ness in general.

It’s okay. Only human. I actually have family from the neighboring village of The Quiet Man. Thought Wayne was an odd choice for that role imo.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 3:51:42pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

John Ford you mean I think.

I met a Vietnamese who thought “John Wayne” was a character and the actor who played was named something else. I said, “Oh. That would be Marion Morrison.”
I am still not sure the chap was wrong.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 3:55:44pm

re: #176 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I met a Vietnamese who thought “John Wayne” was a character and the actor who played was named something else. I said, “Oh. That would be Marion Morrison.”
I am still not sure the chap was wrong.

Ha! That’s brilliant. But yeah I just hate those stupid memes where there’s a picture of Wayne side by side with a Millennial and those some dumb caption like “They don’t make men like this anymore.” My own grandfather didn’t serve in WWII(he was 4F due to an injury) so I don’t think Wayne was a “pussy” or anything like that for not serving in WWII but he wasn’t a hero and he was certainly a bigot. I like some of his movies but tehre are others from that era that I prefer much more and some of them like Jimmy Stewart actually were heroes.

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goddamnedfrank  May 27, 2018 • 3:56:36pm

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Otoh, pretenders and wannabes who don’t really understand Rolls-Royce history would pretend holy horror at this:

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This Rolls Royce all electric concept chariot is amazeballs and I need one!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 4:01:41pm

John Wayne was the victim in probably the worst casting decision in Hollywood history, when he was selected to play none other than Genghis Khan in The Conqueror. The gaffe was compounded by Susan Hayward as a red-haired Mongol princess.

The following year, Jimmy Stewart was involved in what could have been a similar disaster, when the 48 year old Stewart portrayed a man half his age, Charles Lindbergh, in The Spirit of Saint Louis. Stewart though actually pulled it off. He had the benefit of knowing the real Lindbergh, who was only 6 years older in real life.

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Eventual Carrion  May 27, 2018 • 4:02:42pm

re: #13 Big Beautiful Door

Well Trump got only 46% of the vote, which, by my count, isn’t a majority.

And that is 46% of what, the 42% of the voting age people that bothered to vote. So maybe 22% of voting age population that bothered to vote.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 4:03:45pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

John Wayne was the victim in probably the worst casting decision in Hollywood history, when he was selected to play none other than Genghis Khan in The Conqueror. The gaffe was compounded by Susan Hayward as a red-haired Mongol princess.

The following year, Jimmy Stewart was involved in what could have been a similar disaster, when the 48 year old Stewart portrayed a man half his age, Charles Lindbergh, in The Spirit of Saint Louis. Stewart though actually pulled it off. He had the benefit of knowing the real Lindbergh, who was only 6 years older in real life.

Believe that film also led a lot of people to get early onset cancer due to the conditions of where it was filmed. YIkes what a horrible casting decision. At least though with Stewart and the Lindburgh movie, he knew the subject and both were fellow aviators but still, you’d think they could have found someone in his 20’s to play Lindburgh.

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fern01  May 27, 2018 • 4:08:45pm

hehehe - somwhat off topic - but I did laugh at this. The alternative to a bad guy with a gun, in a country that prefers unarmed citizens - a bad guy with a water fetish

More than 100 people were evacuated from a Melbourne hotel after a guest opened fire hydrants on 18 floors, sending water cascading through the building before he barricaded himself in an office.

abc.net.au

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Ace-o-aces  May 27, 2018 • 4:11:58pm

I do believe this may be considered a confession.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 4:14:19pm

re: #183 Ace-o-aces

I do believe this may be considered a confession.

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I just wish someone would reset his Twitter password. All he fucking does is either congratulate himself or whine. Such a pathetic child and I apologize to children since I like kids but he’s our child in chief. I don’t want to hear sexist assholes ever again suggest that women are too emotional to be President when we have President Crybaby.

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jeffreyw  May 27, 2018 • 4:15:09pm

Imgur


Homer Kitteh prefers dogs to cats. All the other kittehs like dogs more than they do Homer because Homer is an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 4:18:01pm

re: #185 jeffreyw

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Homer Kitteh prefers dogs to cats. All the other kittehs like dogs more than they do Homer because Homer is an asshole.

Cute.

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TedStriker  May 27, 2018 • 4:19:14pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Ha! That’s brilliant. But yeah I just hate those stupid memes where there’s a picture of Wayne side by side with a Millennial and those some dumb caption like “They don’t make men like this anymore.” My own grandfather didn’t serve in WWII(he was 4F due to an injury) so I don’t think Wayne was a “pussy” or anything like that for not serving in WWII but he wasn’t a hero and he was certainly a bigot. I like some of his movies but tehre are others from that era that I prefer much more and some of them like Jimmy Stewart actually were heroes.

I’ll be honest: I like some John Wayne *movies*, but as a person, Wayne was a bigot and a POS. I prefer some of his later movies, such as The Quiet Man (ahh, Maureen O’Hara…) and Hellfighters (I love it just as much for Jim Hutton and Katharine Ross [in her prime, as she was in this movie, I would have let her do bad things to me] as for Wayne; the pro-American jingoism towards the end during the Venezuela scenes wasn’t as bad as in The Green Berets, but it was there), as he started getting away from the Westerns that were his stock-in-trade earlier in his career.

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 4:23:27pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Then there was North by Northwest where Cary Grant was only a couple of years younger than his “mother” in the film.

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Single-handed sailor  May 27, 2018 • 4:23:53pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 4:27:30pm

re: #187 TedStriker

I’ll be honest: I like some John Wayne *movies*, but as a person, Wayne was a bigot and a POS. I prefer some of his later movies, such as The Quiet Man (ahh, Maureen O’Hara…) and Hellfighters (I loved it just as much for Jim Hutton and Katharine Ross as for Wayne; the pro-American jingoism towards the end when in Venezuela wasn’t as bad as in The Green Berets, but it was there), as he started getting away from the Westerns that were his stock-in-trade earlier in his career.

We have the same thought. And yeah I like Quiet Man too but it was also helped by the supporting cast.

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Scout  May 27, 2018 • 4:29:30pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

John Wayne was the victim in probably the worst casting decision in Hollywood history, when he was selected to play none other than Genghis Khan in The Conqueror. The gaffe was compounded by Susan Hayward as a red-haired Mongol princess.

Wayne wasn’t “selected.” He wanted the part. He was the driving force behind the movie being made in the first place. It was all his idea.

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TedStriker  May 27, 2018 • 4:36:46pm

re: #191 Scout

Wayne wasn’t “selected.” He wanted the part. He was the driving force behind the movie being made in the first place. It was all his idea.

True, Wayne lobbied hard for the part of Temujin/Khan, but as for all of the fateful decisions on where to shoot (and to bring back over 60 tons of likely contaminated dirt from St. George back to Hollywood to match up the studio sets for reshoots), that was all Howard Hughes.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 4:43:20pm

ChristianPost points out that this week is anniversary week for some modern Christian influences:

This Week in Christian History: Joan of Arc, Trinity Broadcasting, Genesis Flood Book

Tomorrow marks 45 years since TBN has been broadcasting. It used the “educational” TV licenses to spread pentecostal fundamentalism around the world.

And Friday will be 58 years since Henry Morris published The Genesis Flood, which has been used to confuse the minds of millions.

I propose both of these tools to spread fundamentalism contributed to why Trump is where he is at today.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 4:56:39pm

Severe Thunderstorm Warning just popped off on my weather radio for my county.

There is a massive thunderstorm that stretches for at least sixty miles across three counties south of me, moving toward us.

wunderground.com

Expecting my Internet service to go out.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 5:00:11pm

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

Stay safe!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:00:18pm

re: #183 Ace-o-aces

I do believe this may be considered a confession.

Because Mitch McConnell interfered, Donald. That would be your party.

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Single-handed sailor  May 27, 2018 • 5:00:20pm

Storm chasers and radar map at ZoomRadar.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 27, 2018 • 5:03:07pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

Re: Wayne. One thing that peeves me is Wayne being likened to the same heroes he played. And to prove it’s not politics biased, I think Jimmy Stewart was a hero but Wayne, no.

JOHN WAYNE, ALL AMERICAN ALPHA MALE HE MAN

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 5:03:57pm

American Christian Fundamentalism, as developed after WWII up to today, is in some ways quite different from the old fundamentalism in America.

What is known as the Great Awakening, and here I refer to what the Wiki article refers to as the First and Second such movement, I view as a continuation of the Protestant Reformation, as western Christianity broke into ever smaller pieces as charismatic leaders found followers. The first two such movements strengthened the numbers of otherwise small churches and denominations in colonial America.

But starting after WWII, in light of such reactionary American movements such as McCarthyism and the JBS, American Christianity really became Americanized and associated with “traditional” America.

When Morris wrote his book about creationism, Americans were very likely to be taught about the great ages of the Earth and human evolution, in a way that made those ideas hegemonic among the teacher-class in American schools.

There were creationists, plenty of them, but they were on the defense.

That is why Morris’ book found such great use - he tried and succeeded to form a dogma around which lay preachers and pew-sitters could rally, which sounded good to them, but to anyone educated in science (or frankly the Bible and theology) would find to be quite wrong.

Having items around which to rally, such as dogmas, such as those printed in books, is important. This is why Trump holds rallies demonizing immigrants, the press, etc. He’s giving his follows something around which to crystalize their ignorance.

And that is what Morris did - his book and others like it soon afterward allowed fundamentalists to convince the uneducated that Young Earth creationism is backed up by facts and arguments.

Then turning to TBN… the power of television should never be underestimated. Whereas preachers before WWII used plenty of radio time, post WWII the great benefactor of television evangelism was Billy Graham. Then Schuller with his Hour of Power demonstrated how one local preacher could influence millions with a weekly show, in 1970.

TBN was the most successful of many religious networks that popped up in the late 70’s and into the 80’s. Many of the scam artists found their way on to that network, though Paul Crouch did not allow some on. TBN and it’s less successful competitors/co-religionists have taken hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of dollars from Americans to support religious leaders of quite dubious character and very flakey teachings.

The need for constant reinforcement is what drives viewership to these religious shows.

And it is exactly this relationship that keeps American fundamentalism as dominant as it is.

Times do change, and slowly the various strains of American fundamentalism are finding America not to be as easy a picking as it once was (which is why so many have concentrated on Brazil and African nations for their new efforts.)

Still, we are left with what Wiki calls the “fourth” version of the Great Awakening, and then the follow-on exploiters who have found a way to merchandise this (such as Trump.)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:05:25pm

re: #197 Single-handed sailor

Storm chasers and radar map at ZoomRadar.

That is an interesting Website, showing the approximate location of every crank crazy driver on the roads this afternoon.

None of the storm chasers in our area are streaming of course, because no cell phone service outside of Bridgeport and Sidney.

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Barefoot Grin  May 27, 2018 • 5:06:07pm

re: #168 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s got the same birthday as Vincent!

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Television -Call Mr Lee

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 5:10:06pm

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

JOHN WAYNE, ALL AMERICAN ALPHA MALE HE MAN

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Ha!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 27, 2018 • 5:10:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:10:55pm

Vincent Price on Joan Rivers’s show doing the spoken part of “Thriller”

Vincent Price Does The Thriller Rap For Joan Rivers

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PhillyPretzel  May 27, 2018 • 5:12:03pm

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

Be careful.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:16:46pm

re: #205 PhillyPretzel

Be careful.

Hey thanks. Looking out the window, it looks pretty crappy to the south. Like really crappy. I’d almost say that’s about the crappiest the weather’s looked all year, including May 10.

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Eventual Carrion  May 27, 2018 • 5:17:42pm

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Harold is at it again.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 27, 2018 • 5:20:29pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

Hey thanks. Looking out the window, it looks pretty crappy to the south. Like really crappy. I’d almost say that’s about the crappiest the weather’s looked all year, including May 10.

Just remember, in event of a tornado, tie yourself to the well head with a belt. You’ll be perfectly fine.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 5:23:32pm

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

Looking at the North Platte radar at the storms moving north, quite rapidly.

h+4u4Jb9VAFa+fCeGdt5FiOm9/21otFMuxjgrNYjWutkgfEJj8mDzayNbyiFyZL4

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:24:44pm

Severe thunderstorm warning just went up for my town. Here it comes… .

wunderground.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:25:42pm

I put up Vincent Price again instead of the radar plot from Weather Underground. Recycle the comment for the correct link.

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Eventual Carrion  May 27, 2018 • 5:25:48pm

re: #174 Anymouse 🌹

We’re being surrounded … two tornado warnings just went up near Sterling, Colo.

At that point around here I would be making sure my wife had her leg on in case we had to bug out to the basement. We had a warning going on last year and that was the first time I had to think of that need since she lost her leg.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:26:38pm

re: #209 freetoken

Looking at the North Platte radar at the storms moving north, quite rapidly.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 27, 2018 • 5:27:37pm

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹

I put up Vincent Price again instead of the radar plot from Weather Underground. Recycle the comment for the correct link.

It’s still great at twice the price.

/I’ll see myself out

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:28:42pm

re: #214 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s still great at twice the price.

/I’ll see myself out

AFAIC—The Price Is Right! 😉

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 27, 2018 • 5:29:02pm

re: #215 Joe Bacon 🌹

AFAIC—The Price Is Right! 😉

Begun, the Pun Wars have.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 5:29:16pm

re: #210 Anymouse 🌹

Severe thunderstorm warning just went up for my town. Here it comes… .

wunderground.com

Hopefully all goes well for you and your community this time!

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Eventual Carrion  May 27, 2018 • 5:30:36pm

re: #183 Ace-o-aces

I do believe this may be considered a confession.

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And it has been being investigated since before the election. tRump thinks if it isn’t grandstanded it isn’t happening.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 5:34:09pm

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹

Vincent Price on Joan Rivers’s show doing the spoken part of “Thriller”

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Awesome! I was legitimately scared of that when I was a wee one, but still was in love with the song.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:34:56pm

re: #216 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Begun, the Pun Wars have.

As opposed to the Punic Wars?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 27, 2018 • 5:36:27pm

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

As opposed to the Punic Wars?

No, that happens after the Pun Wars go too far.

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PhillyPretzel  May 27, 2018 • 5:37:30pm

re: #216 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I still remember the cheese puns. Instead of saying how good of you we would say how gouda of you. Those were funny.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 5:37:58pm

re: #199 freetoken

American Christian Fundamentalism, as developed after WWII up to today, is in some ways quite different from the old fundamentalism in America.
…….

But starting after WWII, in light of such reactionary American movements such as McCarthyism and the JBS, American Christianity really became Americanized and associated with “traditional” America.

When Morris wrote his book about creationism, Americans were very likely to be taught about the great ages of the Earth and human evolution, in a way that made those ideas hegemonic among the teacher-class in American schools.

There were creationists, plenty of them, but they were on the defense.
……..
And that is what Morris did - his book and others like it soon afterward allowed fundamentalists to convince the uneducated that Young Earth creationism is backed up by facts and arguments.
……
TBN was the most successful of many religious networks that popped up in the late 70’s and into the 80’s. Many of the scam artists found their way on to that network, though Paul Crouch did not allow some on. TBN and it’s less successful competitors/co-religionists have taken hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of dollars from Americans to support religious leaders of quite dubious character and very flakey teachings.

The need for constant reinforcement is what drives viewership to these religious shows.

And it is exactly this relationship that keeps American fundamentalism as dominant as it
……………….

Creationism in all its forms damages our country. YEC is worse, of course, but Old Earth Creationism with its seeming grounding in reality is far more damaging because it can seduce people who would mock the whole concept. What I found amazing a couple days ago is that RW shill George Gilder of Sexual Suicide fame in the 1970’s and a supply sider was also a creationist as a founding member of the Discovery Institute.

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Eventual Carrion  May 27, 2018 • 5:39:37pm

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹

Vincent Price on Joan Rivers’s show doing the spoken part of “Thriller”

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Video

I liked that. Looks like he got a kick out of doing it too.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:40:18pm

While Googling The Price Is Right, I came across this episode on You Tube.

The original Price Is Right with Bill Cullen and note the prices and gag gifts…

(1960) Bill Cullen Price Is Right 1-13-60

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:41:51pm

My power went out and came back. I’m surprised I still have Internet service. It’s starting to rain and the wind is picking up.

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PhillyPretzel  May 27, 2018 • 5:42:30pm

re: #199 freetoken

re: #223 Hecuba’s daughter

Extremism in any form is dangerous.

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Eventual Carrion  May 27, 2018 • 5:43:53pm

re: #227 PhillyPretzel

Extremism in any form is dangerous.

I take moderation to the extreme.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 5:48:00pm

Wholly crap, my whole house shook twice from massive thunderbooms.

The weather radio giving another warning …

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 5:51:48pm

re: #228 Eventual Carrion

I take moderation to the extreme.

And old political position from the 1964 campaign….
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue…

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 5:52:51pm

re: #229 Anymouse 🌹

Wholly crap, my whole house shook twice from massive thunderbooms.

The weather radio giving another warning …

Well, at least the weather maps aren’t showing the deep reds that go to purple because of hail cores. Good chance no tornadoes currently. A good thing.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 5:56:11pm

re: #230 Hecuba’s daughter

And old political position from the 1964 campaign….
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue…

The problem of course the liberty talked about there was racial discrimination. From what I know of Goldwater, I don’t think he was a bigot but he was at least in 1964 indifferent to it.

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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 5:57:35pm
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ckkatz  May 27, 2018 • 5:59:08pm

re: #229 Anymouse 🌹

Wholly crap, my whole house shook twice from massive thunderbooms.

The weather radio giving another warning …

Looks like one purple cell at Brownson heading your way. Most of the other purple seems south and east of you.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 5:59:17pm

re: #233 jaunte

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They were investigating your campaign Brad but okay keep on making up shit because you know your whole campaign was a fraud for an even bigger fraud.

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Ace-o-aces  May 27, 2018 • 6:00:16pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:01:46pm

re: #236 Ace-o-aces

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They’re making the same mistake that the CSA did in 1861.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 6:03:11pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Which side to be on?

The Union.

The right wing extremists are the insurrectionists and secessionists who are looking to overthrow the government.

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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 6:03:27pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Does Parscale rhyme with jail?

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 6:05:12pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

Forty-six thousand dollars was a lot of money in 1960.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:05:15pm

re: #238 lawhawk

Which side to be on?

The Union.

The right wing extremists are the insurrectionists and secessionists who are looking to overthrow the government.

That but I’m talking about underestimating the side that will win.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 27, 2018 • 6:05:22pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

They’re making the same mistake that the CSA did in 1861.

“We don’t need foundries or cannons or repeating rifles. We have God on our side.”

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:05:37pm

re: #239 jaunte

Does Parscale rhyme with jail?

Believe it does. I saw him interviewed on 60 minutes. He’s a smug asshole.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:06:02pm

re: #242 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“We don’t need foundries or cannons or repeating rifles. We have God on our side.”

Them Yankees will never beat us. //

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 6:06:21pm

re: #231 ObserverArt

Well, at least the weather maps aren’t showing the deep reds that go to purple because of hail cores. Good chance no tornadoes currently. A good thing.

We’re getting hail right now, from the back side of the rotating thunderstorm that passed just to our west. Not a lot of wind though.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:06:31pm

I think they’re forgetting that the right are petrified to death of urban centers.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 27, 2018 • 6:07:01pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

I think they’re forgetting that the right are petrified to death of urban centers.

I think they’d also have a respectable fear of BRRRRRRT, but hey, some of them are probably just stupid enough to think they can take on an A-10 or an AC-130 and win.

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lawhawk  May 27, 2018 • 6:09:17pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

The reason so many of them are so heavily armed (despite fact they can only fire one or two guns at any time) is the fear of the angry black guys in places like Chicago.

Fear and loathing is what the GOP/NRA has used to sell guns. And they’ve sold that lie for the past 40 years. Crime rates peaked during the 1980s and were beginning to decline in the 1990s. In fact, crime rates are at or near historic lows over the past few years. The rates continue to decline.

Gun violence has declined in conjunction with the crime rate overall, but mass shootings have accelerated. GOP/NRA refuses to act. They just think selling more guns is the answer to everything.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:10:43pm

re: #248 lawhawk

The reason so many of them are so heavily armed (despite fact they can only fire one or two guns at any time) is the fear of the angry black guys in places like Chicago.

Fear and loathing is what the GOP/NRA has used to sell guns. And they’ve sold that lie for the past 40 years. Crime rates peaked during the 1980s and were beginning to decline in the 1990s. In fact, crime rates are at or near historic lows over the past few years. The rates continue to decline.

Gun violence has declined in conjunction with the crime rate overall, but mass shootings have accelerated. GOP/NRA refuses to act. They just think selling more guns is the answer to everything.

Correct.

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A Mom Anon  May 27, 2018 • 6:10:44pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

They are scared of EVERYTHING. Except people who look, act and believe like them. The world is moving forward without them and they are REALLY scared that those who were formally minorities are going to do all the shit to them that they did when they were totally in charge. More projection on an IMAX level.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:12:37pm

re: #250 A Mom Anon

They are scared of EVERYTHING. Except people who look, act and believe like them. The world is moving forward without them and they are REALLY scared that those who were formally minorities are going to do all the shit to them that they did when they were totally in charge. More projection on an IMAX level.

That’s exactly why they’re going to eventually fail. Ain’t gonna be easy but they’re going to fail.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 6:12:50pm

re: #236 Ace-o-aces

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ckkatz  May 27, 2018 • 6:12:52pm

re: #238 lawhawk

Which side to be on?

The Union.

The right wing extremists are the insurrectionists and secessionists who are looking to overthrow the government.

The Robin Wright article was published in August 2017 and apparently written after the Charlottesville fiasco. While we will find out more as the summer of 2018 progresses, my general impression from 2017 was that the Nazis and supremacists were repudiated.

And yes, I agree with LawHawk that I side with the Constitution. Which I took an oath to defend. And which was the position of the Union in 1861.

edit - spelling

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Renaissance_Man  May 27, 2018 • 6:12:58pm

re: #248 lawhawk

The reason so many of them are so heavily armed (despite fact they can only fire one or two guns at any time) is the fear of the angry black guys in places like Chicago.

Fear and loathing is what the GOP/NRA has used to sell guns. And they’ve sold that lie for the past 40 years. Crime rates peaked during the 1980s and were beginning to decline in the 1990s. In fact, crime rates are at or near historic lows over the past few years. The rates continue to decline.

Gun violence has declined in conjunction with the crime rate overall, but mass shootings have accelerated. GOP/NRA refuses to act. They just think selling more guns is the answer to everything.

I think that fear is the reason that you can speak publicly, but I think the real reason is deeper than that. Guns in America are a cultural identifier, and more importantly the instrument by which white men can continue to assert cultural superiority. I don’t think it’s an accident that we see more and more mass shootings in recent years, as white men learn that the ability to carry weapons of death with the implicit threat that white men can walk into public areas and execute people at their whim is their birthright.

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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 6:14:13pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:14:48pm

re: #253 ckkatz

The Robin Wright article was published in August 2017 and apparently written after the Charlottesville fiasco. While we will find out more as the summer of 2018 progresses, my general imperssion was that the Nazis and supremacists were repudiated.

And yes, I agree with LawHawk that I side with the Constitution. Which I took an oath to defend. And which was the position of the Union in 1861.

I reside in the state that used to have the CSA’s capital but I’m always proud to talk about my grandfather’s grandfather, an immigrant no less who volunteered for his adoptive nation in 1861. I don’t think he had even been in the US a year (can’t find him in the 1860) census when he volunteered. His youngest daughter became my dad’s grandmother. So in a way I’m just one degree removed of Bacon from that war..

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 27, 2018 • 6:16:20pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

I mentioned before, I believe the break in my father’s family’s documentation occurred because a son of the family fled Kentucky with an abolitionist family friend (and possibly one or more slaves; the documentation is basically nonexistent) for the nominally Union border state of Indiana.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 6:18:07pm

re: #257 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I mentioned before, I believe the break in my father’s family’s documentation occurred because a son of the family fled Kentucky with an abolitionist family friend (and possibly one or more slaves; the documentation is basically nonexistent) for the nominally Union border state of Indiana.

Hell of a way to start.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 27, 2018 • 6:21:13pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

Hell of a way to start.

Obviously, very little remains in the way of proof. All I have are some census records (without full names) and a best guess theory.

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Ace-o-aces  May 27, 2018 • 6:27:05pm

Reality outpaces satire once again.

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ckkatz  May 27, 2018 • 6:28:39pm

re: #242 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“We don’t need foundries or cannons or repeating rifles. We have God on our side.”

Speaking of Northern Arsenals…

Here is an interesting incident that may be of interest to those with connections to Pittsburgh. Floyd was the former Governor of Virginia and soon to be a Confederate general.

Gun incident

In late December 1860, reports surfaced that President James Buchanan’s secretary of war, John B. Floyd, had ordered 100 20-pound guns to be shipped from the Allegheny Arsenal in Lawrenceville to New Orleans and then to forts in Texas.

The order provoked outrage among some Pittsburgh residents who feared they would end up in the hands of secessionists. South Carolina had already left the Union.

A crowd gathered near what is now Forbes Avenue and Grant Street to protest the decision to transport the guns. Many vowed to block the shipments by force. A plaque from 1916, placed on the side of the Allegheny County Courthouse, marks the spot.

In early January, Buchanan countermanded the order, even as some of the weapons were being hauled to a wharf to be loaded onto a ship.

post-gazette.com

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 6:29:15pm

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

That Bell&Howell set-up looks pretty sweet.

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Charles Johnson  May 27, 2018 • 6:31:08pm
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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 6:36:14pm
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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 6:38:13pm

Those prizes in the 1960 show were much better than nearly all the prizes on today’s version of the show.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 6:38:41pm

They make such a loving couple…

Now you know why Maggie avoids calling her idol a liar!
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dangerman  May 27, 2018 • 7:07:16pm

just finished watching “The Post”

WTF has happened to the press since the pentagon papers?

the current representatives of the media are an embarassment

they have rolled over
given up
died inside

they have no reason for being

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 7:08:57pm

re: #267 dangerman

just finished watching “The Post”

WTF has happened to the press since the pentagon papers?

the current representatives of the media are an embarassment

they have rolled over
given up
died inside

they have no reason for being

40 years of pressure from the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine turned them into stenographers. They are now just interchangeable cogs in the Bullshit Machine!

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dangerman  May 27, 2018 • 7:14:21pm

re: #268 Joe Bacon 🌹

40 years of pressure from the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine turned them into stenographers. They are now just interchangeable cogs in the Bullshit Machine!

the pentagon papers were a true first amendment “crisis”
the times the post and others stood up and won
not only for themselves. for “the republic” for the “governed”

most of the current crop? worthless.
they have completely lost touch with their fundamental reason for existing

i knew all this - it’s thrown in my face daily
the movie was a stark comparison from a time when another budding autocrat was kept in check and ultimately lost his place

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 7:15:52pm

re: #267 dangerman

WTF has happened to the press since the pentagon papers?

They’ve discovered they can make a lot more money playing entertainer.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 7:16:51pm

So enlightening watching these game shows from 60 year ago, before Americans discovered orthodontists.

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prairiefire  May 27, 2018 • 7:18:43pm

re: #271 freetoken

So enlightening watching these game shows from 60 year ago, before Americans discovered orthodontists.

Also, the toothbrush bristles were too hard and made ones teeth grow longer.

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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 7:21:35pm
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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 7:22:38pm

re: #272 prairiefire

I never had braces, because we couldn’t afford them. However, my underbite is such that braces were not really going to be the right way to go anyway, not without surgery.

Still, so odd watching the normal people of the 1950’s and early 60’s on these TV game shows. The movie stars and big TV stars often had the very expensive dentistry services, but the common folk did not.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 7:23:49pm

re: #267 dangerman

just finished watching “The Post”

WTF has happened to the press since the pentagon papers?

the current representatives of the media are an embarassment

they have rolled over
given up
died inside

they have no reason for being

The press has always rolled over. If W & B had been gotten the White House gig before being feed their link then we would never had head of Watergate.

The only reason Stormy is in the news is because she bypasses the gatekeepers like Haberman. Wingnuts have numerous avenues for maximum exposure from extremely ridiculous to snickering acceptance and they all get treated equally.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 7:25:16pm

re: #273 Dave In Austin

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The big head in the middle is Kelly?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 27, 2018 • 7:28:07pm

What is this new bullshit Fox is pushing now?

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 7:29:03pm

re: #276 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

The big head in the middle is Kelly?

I believe so. Carrey’s got it all covered in this one.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 7:29:49pm

re: #259 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Obviously, very little remains in the way of proof. All I have are some census records (without full names) and a best guess theory.

If you ever want any help. Just private message me and I’ll see what I can do. I have a full access account to Ancestry and I love being able to help others out.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 7:30:04pm
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A Mom Anon  May 27, 2018 • 7:30:11pm

re: #277 The Vicious Babushka

WTF? Life, Liberty and Levin? FFS. These people are just broken.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 7:31:26pm

re: #280 JordanRules

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All that posturing. All bullshit.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 7:31:51pm

These declines always tickle me.

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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 7:32:07pm

re: #276 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

The big head in the middle is Kelly?

I don’t know

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 7:34:28pm

re: #278 JordanRules

I believe so. Carrey’s got it all covered in this one.

I hate that pos racist Kelly with the power of a 1,000 suns but I am still holding out hope that the will sing like a canary to any questions.

I think I know he’s trapped and will through everybody under the bus to make sure his stars don’t get dirty.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 7:35:20pm

re: #285 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

I hate that pos racist Kelly with the power of a 1,000 suns but I am still holding out hope that the will sing like a canary to any questions.

I think I know he’s trapped and will through everybody under the bus to make sure his stars don’t get dirty.

I have to agree with that. Can’t stand him either. He showed who he was when he went after Congresswoman Wilson IMO.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 7:35:55pm

Hmmm…

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Romantic Heretic  May 27, 2018 • 7:35:55pm

re: #260 Ace-o-aces

I looked at the video and imaged the woman closest to him punching Santorum in the mouth after he said that shit.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 7:36:34pm

re: #285 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

I hate that pos racist Kelly with the power of a 1,000 suns but I am still holding out hope that the will sing like a canary to any questions.

I think I know he’s trapped and will through everybody under the bus to make sure his stars don’t get dirty.

Too late. He can sing but he’s still a fascist.

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calochortus  May 27, 2018 • 7:36:42pm

re: #280 JordanRules

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Who could have predicted it?
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 7:40:43pm

re: #289 JordanRules

Too late. He can sing but he’s still a fascist.

They all are. Only one with any real decency may be Mattis.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 7:41:03pm

re: #286 HappyWarrior

I have to agree with that. Can’t stand him either. He showed who he was when he went after Congresswoman Wilson IMO.

lol, I have been wrong a lot on figuring he would do what an honorable man would do.

I really hope that I live long enough to see that the “I was just working for Trump” defense is the last thing someone says before they know they’ll never confirmed.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 7:42:12pm

re: #289 JordanRules

Too late. He can sing but he’s still a fascist.

Criminal generals get special treatment, see Petreaus.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 7:43:26pm

re: #292 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

lol, I have been wrong a lot on figuring he would do what an honorable man would do.

I really hope that I live long enough to see that the “I was just working for Trump” defense is the last thing someone says before they know they’ll never confirmed.

I’m waiting for Trump wasn’t a real conservative anyhow.

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DodgerFan1988  May 27, 2018 • 7:44:42pm

The anti-immigrant sentiments by The Right is dangerously getting out of hand.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 7:47:34pm

re: #289 JordanRules

Too late. He can sing but he’s still a fascist.

Kelly is terrible — a racist and a misogynist — but I haven’t yet been persuaded that he is also a traitor with no loyalty to this country and that he supports Russian interference.

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calochortus  May 27, 2018 • 7:47:38pm

re: #295 DodgerFan1988

The anti-immigrant sentiments by The Right is dangerously getting out of hand.

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That is seriously weird. Even for Redding.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 7:48:30pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I’m waiting for Trump wasn’t a real conservative anyhow.

That’s coming,

He was a dem all along, listen to this Howard Stern tapes and look at this picture with him with the Clintons.

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geosherman  May 27, 2018 • 7:50:00pm

nothing to see here. having trouble with Flickr embed code.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 7:50:04pm

re: #295 DodgerFan1988

There’s nothing in the MSNBC story about a motive.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 7:50:11pm

OA if you’re here. Go Cavs!

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 7:50:31pm

re: #298 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

That’s coming,

He was a dem all along, listen to this Howard Stern tapes and look at this picture with him with the Clintons.

Yep.

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Ace-o-aces  May 27, 2018 • 7:51:58pm

re: #283 JordanRules

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danarchy  May 27, 2018 • 7:53:08pm

re: #295 DodgerFan1988

The anti-immigrant sentiments by The Right is dangerously getting out of hand.

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How exactly were they planning to deport him? Personally fly him back to china?

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 7:53:09pm

re: #296 Hecuba’s daughter

Kelly is terrible — a racist and a misogynist — but I haven’t yet been persuaded that he is also a traitor with no loyalty to this country and that he supports Russian interference.

Kelly seems to be just about Kelly.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 7:54:40pm

re: #305 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Kelly seems to be just about Kelly.

That makes him a wild card.

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calochortus  May 27, 2018 • 7:55:56pm

re: #304 danarchy

How exactly were they planning to deport him? Personally fly him back to china?

In a small plane? A well thought out plan, no doubt.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 7:57:33pm

re: #236 Ace-o-aces

The New Yorker

@NewYorker
Experts estimate a 35% chance of a U.S. civil war over the next ten to fifteen years. What do historians think? nyer.cm
9:20 AM - May 27, 2018

Is America Headed for a New Kind of Civil War?
Experts estimate a thirty-five-per-cent chance of a U.S. civil war over the next ten to fifteen years. What do historians of the Civil War think?
newyorker.com

The Russian government has never forgiven us for the disintegration of the Soviet Union. For years, a Russian academic en.wikipedia.org has been pushing the notion of the collapse of America; it seems that they have been actively pursuing this objective and now they may actually succeed. I first heard about him over 10 years ago.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 7:58:36pm

re: #298 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Reagan wasn’t a real conservative….

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Belafon  May 27, 2018 • 8:00:35pm

re: #308 Hecuba’s daughter

We won’t fall apart.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:04:57pm

Lebron Janes is amazing.

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 8:07:35pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

OA if you’re here. Go Cavs!

Just checking back and was going to mention it.

Freaking unbelievable they made it to the finals.

People are gonna say they don’t deserve it and they can’t match up with the west. But to this fan, this is amazing run for the less than all super star team that Lebron once again wills into the NBA Finals.

They need to let him buy into the damn team. He owns it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 8:08:08pm

Who buys a trafficked child for sex? Otherwise ordinary men.

According to one rescued victim, the buyers are predominantly ordinary men in their 30s and 40s. At the risk of being inflammatory, how does that demographic typically vote? I think we can see the appeal of the far right’s disgusting pizzagate and Q-anon fantasies: They are deflecting from their own rampant perversion.

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Skip Intro  May 27, 2018 • 8:10:18pm
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jaunte  May 27, 2018 • 8:11:00pm
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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:14:28pm

re: #315 jaunte

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The Trump Presidency inc.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 8:14:30pm

re: #315 jaunte

Watching old television programs, it’s easy to see how America was programmed into consumerism.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:15:21pm

re: #317 freetoken

Watching old television programs, it’s easy to see how America was programmed into consumerism.

I found a PBS special on Arlington Cemetery to watch. My cousin who I posted my Memorial Day page on is buried there as well.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 8:16:39pm

re: #310 Belafon

We won’t fall apart.

I hope not. It’s just when I hear educated people like my brother spouting RW nonsense without being aware that he has in effect been brainwashed. There are too many people like him and the RW media is building a larger army every day. He definitely worships “successful” businessmen — except for those demonized by Fox, Sinclair etc — such as Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk. (Yes, Mark probably deserves demonization — but certainly not by people who support Trump).

Elon Musk’s sin seems to be trying to develop vehicles that don’t rely on gasoline.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:19:40pm

re: #319 Hecuba’s daughter

I hope not. It’s just when I hear educated people like my brother spouting RW nonsense without being aware that he has in effect been brainwashed. There are too many people like him and the RW media is building a larger army every day. He definitely worships “successful” businessmen — except for those demonized by Fox, Sinclair etc — such as Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk. (Yes, Mark probably deserves demonization — but certainly not by people who support Trump).

Elon Musk’s sin seems to be trying to develop vehicles that don’t rely on gasoline.

I have a cousin. Very intelligent guy and honestly a decent guy aside from his Trump support. It’s frustrating. Thankfully he doesn’t post much politics stuff.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 8:21:11pm

Strikes me that the next President could legitimately adopt the slogan Make America Great Again given the damage inflicted by the current WH occupant.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 8:22:33pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

I have a cousin. Very intelligent guy and honestly a decent guy aside from his Trump support. It’s frustrating. Thankfully he doesn’t post much politics stuff.

My brother is not on social media at all. Our disputes arise only in personal conversations.

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 8:23:32pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

That makes him a wild card.

Who along with Trump’s new lawyer tried/did get into that meeting with Justice about the documents Nunes and the Freedom gang wanted to see. So, he seems willing to help protect Trump from the Russian thing.

He is showing his hand. I’m not giving him much benefit of the doubt. To me he is full Trump now.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 8:24:54pm

re: #317 freetoken

Watching old television programs, it’s easy to see how America was programmed into consumerism.

Uncle Miltie was a lie/

If FoxNews was around then McCarthy would never have been disgraced, The war on imaginary commies would have increased.

Poverty was improved in the USA and the world due to LBJ

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:26:34pm

re: #322 Hecuba’s daughter

My brother is not on social media at all. Our disputes arise only in personal conversations.

Ah okay.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:27:06pm

re: #324 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Uncle Miltie was a lie/

If FoxNews was around then McCarthy would never have been disgraced, The war on imaginary commies would have increased.

Poverty was improved in the USA and the world due to LBJ

God I’m just imagining Fox in the age of McCarthy. That fucking scares the hell out of me.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 8:27:10pm

re: #312 ObserverArt

Just checking back and was going to mention it.

Freaking unbelievable they made it to the finals.

People are gonna say they don’t deserve it and they can’t match up with the west. But to this fan, this is amazing run for the less than all super star team that Lebron once again wills into the NBA Finals.

They need to let him buy into the damn team. He owns it.

He’s amazing!! Think about the last time he wasn’t in the Finals. 8 freakin years ago! Superb!
I saw a stat that said 70% of the current players weren’t even in the league then.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:27:31pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

Who along with Trump’s new lawyer tried/did get into that meeting with Justice about the documents Nunes and the Freedom gang wanted to see. So, he seems willing to help protect Trump from the Russian thing.

He is showing his hand. I’m not giving him much benefit of the doubt. To me he is full Trump now.

I’m not either. Kelly is a scumbag. BTW how about them Cavs.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 8:27:35pm

Watching an April 1960 version of The Price is Right… and one of the items for bid is…

A 1960 mercedes benz 220 SE convertible

Seriously over the top for any game show today, much more so today’s cheesy version The Price is Right.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:28:58pm

re: #312 ObserverArt

Just checking back and was going to mention it.

Freaking unbelievable they made it to the finals.

People are gonna say they don’t deserve it and they can’t match up with the west. But to this fan, this is amazing run for the less than all super star team that Lebron once again wills into the NBA Finals.

They need to let him buy into the damn team. He owns it.

My brother and I were discussing it over texts. He’s a legend who we just saw put in a legendary performance. He is unreal. He said that the two people who hate him are those who are too ignorant to know better and those who wish they had him on their club.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 27, 2018 • 8:29:34pm

re: #321 Hecuba’s daughter

Strikes me that the next President could legitimately adopt the slogan Make America Great Again given the damage inflicted by the current WH occupant.

del buy author

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:29:53pm

Hey I get to see how a real President acts. Just saw a clip of Obama speaking about the unknown soldiers buried at Arlington.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 8:30:16pm

re: #296 Hecuba’s daughter

Kelly is terrible — a racist and a misogynist — but I haven’t yet been persuaded that he is also a traitor with no loyalty to this country and that he supports Russian interference.

He’s already a traitor IMO. He might try to save his own ass but it’s already written for that dude…or whatever.

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 8:32:05pm

Odd fact about the Cavs game. Out for the year and deep into rehab of a knee operation, Ex-Cav Kyrie Irving was not in the building. Game 7 of his new team. And he was not there. What’s up with that?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 27, 2018 • 8:33:14pm

I still say Jordan is the GOAT, but I think Lebron is an undeniable second greatest.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 8:33:55pm

I wonder if any of the contestants had a clue how precious this car would be 58 years later:

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:34:15pm

re: #335 Eclectic Cyborg

I still say Jordan is the GOAT, but I think Lebron is an undeniable second greatest.

Honestly I take Lebron. He does more with less. 8 consecutive trips to the finals is unreal.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 8:35:07pm

re: #335 Eclectic Cyborg

I still say Jordan is the GOAT, but I think Lebron is an undeniable second greatest.

That’s still my assessment, but I don’t fault anybody for arguing with me about. LOL

Bron is a better dude though.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 8:37:17pm

Post war Madison Avenue really knew how to get Americans to lust after goods. No wonder they got near everyone smoking.

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Citizen K  May 27, 2018 • 8:38:27pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Honestly I take Lebron. He does more with less. 8 consecutive trips to the finals is unreal.

As much as I hate to say it, while Jordan is Jordan, LeBron’s probably taken god knows how many teams that wouldn’t even sniff the playoffs deep into spitting reach of the championship almost solely on his back.

That’s talent. And at the same time, I kinda resent it because it’s the kind of basketball that I hate the most, where it’s so dependent on one mega-star that the team is an afterthought. Say what you want about the Warriors and the feeling of inevitability they have surrounding them, they’ve consistently been a complete team even with legitimate superstars like Curry and Durant.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:39:06pm

re: #338 JordanRules

That’s still my assessment, but I don’t fault anybody for arguing with me about. LOL

Bron is a better dude though.

We should feel privileged that we have gotten to see both. I agree though. Bron is a better guy even if Bron wasn’t politically outspoken.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:40:03pm

re: #340 Citizen K

As much as I hate to say it, while Jordan is Jordan, LeBron’s probably taken god knows how many teams that wouldn’t even sniff the playoffs deep into spitting reach of the championship almost solely on his back.

That’s talent. And at the same time, I kinda resent it because it’s the kind of basketball that I hate the most, where it’s so dependent on one mega-star that the team is an afterthought. Say what you want about the Warriors and the feeling of inevitability they have surrounding them, they’ve consistently been a complete team even with legitimate superstars like Curry and Durant.

I hear ya. That’s why I admire the Spurs under Popovich but I admire the hell out of individual talent too and Bron has the ability to make a team that much better.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 8:43:11pm

re: #296 Hecuba’s daughter

Kelly is terrible — a racist and a misogynist — but I haven’t yet been persuaded that he is also a traitor with no loyalty to this country and that he supports Russian interference.

The photo with him and Dr. Jill Stein sitting at the RT gala with Vladimir Putin wasn’t enough?

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Citizen K  May 27, 2018 • 8:44:02pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

I hear ya. That’s why I admire the Spurs under Popovich but I admire the hell out of individual talent too and Bron has the ability to make a team that much better.

I could not, for the life of me, really dig the Spurs. I just found them boring to watch. That said, I respected the hell out of them, because they built a dynasty on the back of an actual team core.

The Warriors are a team that just has the flash along with the undeniable skill for me to actually enjoy watching.

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ObserverArt  May 27, 2018 • 8:45:07pm

re: #338 JordanRules

That’s still my assessment, but I don’t fault anybody for arguing with me about. LOL

Bron is a better dude though.

Lebron is more versatile as a player. He has done it all. All-purpose. Way more physical as an athlete.

Jordan was a scoring machine that played decent defense. Great yes. No doubt.

Lebron is Jordan, Bird, Johnson, Pippen and Rodman all mixed together.

And of course I am a Cavs fan.

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:46:27pm

re: #345 ObserverArt

Lebron is more versatile as a player. He has done it all. All-purpose. Way more physical as an athlete.

Jordan was a scoring machine that played decent defense. Great yes. No doubt.

Lebron is Jordan, Bird, Johnson Pippen and Rodman all mixed together.

And of course I am a Cavs fan.

Indeed. It’s the all around game that makes me choose LBJ here.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 8:46:45pm

re: #343 Anymouse 🌹

The photo with him and Dr. Jill Stein sitting at the RT gala with Vladimir Putin wasn’t enough?

Flynn was at the gala. But Kelly was too?

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HappyWarrior  May 27, 2018 • 8:48:43pm

re: #347 Hecuba’s daughter

Flynn was at the gala. But Kelly was too?

I think he’s thinking of Kelly. I know Flynn was there. Kelly wasn’t politically vocal until he joined the Trump team iirc.

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BeachDem  May 27, 2018 • 8:49:15pm

re: #295 DodgerFan1988

The anti-immigrant sentiments by The Right is dangerously getting out of hand.

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I read the story in the WaPo about that this morning and was kind of aghast because it sort of read like they had maybe a few Chinese students. When I was working on a project in Redding a while back, my recollection of IASCO was that nearly their entire business there was training Chinese pilots. They housed them in dormitories, 4 to a room and ran special bus service to the airfield, because most of them couldn’t drive.

That’s why these two instructors singling out one particular Chinese student seems odd—in the sense that there must be more to the story.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 8:49:29pm

The import price on that car was $8400 (the winning bid was $1200 less than that as a couple of people went over.)

Inflation calculators tell me that inflation adjusted value for that today is a bit over seventy one thousand dollars.

Today the best kept 220SE Cabriolets go over over a quarter million dollars as they are highly collectible and desired around the world.

Which means its one of the few production cars to have appreciated much more than inflation.

I have no idea what car today could be put on today’s TPIR that could do similarly in 58 years.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 8:49:30pm

re: #191 Scout

Wayne wasn’t “selected.” He wanted the part. He was the driving force behind the movie being made in the first place. It was all his idea.

It’s true that Wayne lobbied for the part after he read the script but it was a Howard Hughes production and there were other possibilities, any other possibility in fact. Would Wayne really have had to lobby for a part in his own film, and after the script was written?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 8:53:33pm

re: #347 Hecuba’s daughter

Flynn was at the gala. But Kelly was too?

You’re correct, it was Michael Flynn. I have trouble keeping the people in Trump’s orbit straight, there are so many grifters, liars, criminals, &c.

John Kelly was one of the people the media insisted was going to be a “moderating influence” on Donald Trump. Kelly was the fellow who insulted Congresswoman Frederica Wilson then said on television he would never apologise to her after lying about her.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 27, 2018 • 8:53:50pm

re: #336 freetoken

I wonder if any of the contestants had a clue how precious this car would be 58 years later:

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Wow! 1960, huh? I know I was out of high school (gr. ‘69) before I saw (or was conscious of seeing) a gas Mercedes. All the M-Bs I saw growing up were diesels.

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Single-handed sailor  May 27, 2018 • 8:57:15pm

It’s been difficult to find the Civil Beat lava live feed lately.

Live Video: Kilauea Lava Flow Activity In Lower Puna Hawaii

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 9:04:01pm

John Kelly also defended the policy of taking children from asylum seekers as a deterrent (presumably a deterrent from seeking asylum) on NPR.

NPR: Family separation stands as a pretty tough deterrent.

Kelly: It could be a tough deterrent — would be a tough deterrent. A much faster turnaround on asylum seekers.

NPR: Even though people say that’s cruel and heartless to take a mother away from her children?

Kelly: I wouldn’t put it quite that way. The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever. But the big point is they elected to come illegally into the United States and this is a technique that no one hopes will be used extensively or for very long.

Seeking asylum is legal.

It fits into the very long-term conflation by conservatives of refugee, criminal, undocumented immigrant, migrant worker, job-stealer, disease-carrier, &c. All of them are “illegals” and you should be afraid of them.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 9:08:52pm

re: #356 Anymouse 🌹

John Kelly also defended the policy of taking children from asylum seekers as a deterrent (presumably a deterrent from seeking asylum) on NPR.

Seeking asylum is legal.

It fits into the very long-term conflation by conservatives of refugee, criminal, undocumented immigrant, migrant worker, job-stealer, disease-carrier, &c. All of them are “illegals” and you should be afraid of them.

As I said earlier, he is a racist and misogynist — and as your quote shows, a truly despicable racist. But I am still unsure whether treason is part of his portfolio.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 9:12:38pm

I watched a couple more of the classic Price is Right shows on You Tube with Bill Cullen hosting. There is no comparison between such a classy guy as Cullen and such a dull animatronic robot as Drew Carey…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 27, 2018 • 9:21:09pm

re: #357 Hecuba’s daughter

As I said earlier, he is a racist and misogynist — and as your quote shows, a truly despicable racist. But I am still unsure whether treason is part of his portfolio.

I’m hesitant to use the word “traitor,” but Kelly fully supported (and still supports) Trump. He helped him get elected. He defended his policies (and still does). He went all in on the “lying media” and “lock her up” stuff.

We have a name for the supporters of the Third Reich who weren’t really racists, or were just concerned about jobs, or “Making Germany Great” - to borrow from a meme - we call them Nazis. We do not care about their motivations.

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Renaissance_Man  May 27, 2018 • 9:24:35pm

re: #359 Anymouse 🌹

To vote for or be pro-Trump at any point was to be okay with cruelty and incredible bigotry. To still be pro-Trump at this point is to be complicit in crime, corruption and treason. There can be no excuse.

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freetoken  May 27, 2018 • 9:26:33pm

re: #353 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Wow! 1960, huh? I know I was out of high school (gr. ‘69) before I saw (or was conscious of seeing) a gas Mercedes. All the M-Bs I saw growing up were diesels.

MB did the diesel thing in America for a long time. But back in 1960 they were imported as luxury cars. The 1960 220 convertibles (the series started in the late 50’s) were not imported in any great number, so the producers of the show had to know it was an extreme offering. Even Cullen mentioned a couple of times he wished he had it himself, signalling to the contestants if they were paying attention how special it was.

The prize winnings on that show at that time were quite the amazing thing. The amounts won, if translated into today’s values, would be hundreds of thousands of dollars. Sure, there are a few game shows left today and sometimes people win big on them (the Jeopardy championship series, for example).

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geosherman  May 27, 2018 • 10:01:14pm

Honey Bee on Splendid Mariposa Lily Calochortus splendens

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 10:10:58pm

re: #295 DodgerFan1988

The anti-immigrant sentiments by The Right is dangerously getting out of hand.

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Holy shit! DIY ICE

When Shi refused, McConkey battered him, and threatened physical violence if he did not go with them,” the police said in a statement. “Shi ultimately left with them in fear for his safety and was transported to the Redding Municipal Airport to be sent back to China.”

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sagehen  May 27, 2018 • 10:15:46pm

re: #319 Hecuba’s daughter

I hope not. It’s just when I hear educated people like my brother spouting RW nonsense without being aware that he has in effect been brainwashed. There are too many people like him and the RW media is building a larger army every day. He definitely worships “successful” businessmen — except for those demonized by Fox, Sinclair etc — such as Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk. (Yes, Mark probably deserves demonization — but certainly not by people who support Trump).

Elon Musk’s sin seems to be trying to develop vehicles that don’t rely on gasoline.

Would his head explode if you point out that all the ultra-rich “elitists” demonized by Fox and Sinclair earned their own fortunes in their own lifetimes, while most of the ones the RW adores (Trump, Kochs, Waltons) inherited it all and never “earned” a damned thing?

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Ace-o-aces  May 27, 2018 • 10:22:22pm
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mmmirele  May 27, 2018 • 10:25:55pm

re: #295 DodgerFan1988

The anti-immigrant sentiments by The Right is dangerously getting out of hand.

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Here are two stories from the Redding Record-Searchlight:

original kidnapping:

redding.com

additional detail, including the flight school holding the students’ passports, the flight school’s program manager’s plan (take Shi by light plane to the Bay area and put him on a plane back to China), that it costs $90K to attend school there and the student and his family are liable if he doesn’t complete training. Also audio from the initial encounter:

redding.com

Redding is an odd place; it’s at the top of my list of municipalities that could be dominated by one religious sect (somewhat like Clearwater, Florida), but this is way beyond weird.

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mmmirele  May 27, 2018 • 10:29:55pm

re: #365 Ace-o-aces

Lobster’s favorite food is lobster. From 2012:

LITTLETON, New Hampshire (Reuters) - Researchers studying Maine’s lobster population, booming in recent years amid warming waters and disappearing predators, have detected something never before seen in the wild: lobster cannibalism.

reuters.com

I heard a story on NPR a decade or more ago explaining why aquaculture of lobsters failed—they liked to snack on their fellow lobsters. Hence, lobster’s favorite food is lobster.

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Single-handed sailor  May 27, 2018 • 10:31:18pm

re: #366 mmmirele

They’re pretty redneck and Aryan up there.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 10:41:54pm

re: #368 Single-handed sailor

They’re pretty redneck and Aryan up there.

Redding is the home of the whack-doodle Bethel mega-church. Their pastor, Bill Johnson, claims to have raised the dead and caused gold dust to magically appear in the sanctuary, among other “signs and wonders.”

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BeachDem  May 27, 2018 • 10:42:11pm

re: #368 Single-handed sailor

They’re pretty redneck and Aryan up there.

And strange—like the Bethel Church and School of Supernatural Ministry crowd. Gave me the creeps when I worked on a project there. Actually, the woman who was the president of IASCO was one of the more sane people I interacted with.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 10:43:56pm

re: #357 Hecuba’s daughter

As I said earlier, he is a racist and misogynist — and as your quote shows, a truly despicable racist. But I am still unsure whether treason is part of his portfolio.

I guess if he’s a racist, mysogynist, facsist plant by the good guys working for the traitor to bring him down maayyybbbeee. But I don’t really understand the line of delineation here. He’s a traitor who works for the big traitor to me.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 27, 2018 • 10:45:34pm

I saw “flight school that trains Chinese pilots” and I couldn’t help thinking of this:

The In-laws (1979) James Hong & Alan Arkin, Airplane Scene

I know, I’m going to hell….

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Hecuba's daughter  May 27, 2018 • 10:46:28pm

re: #364 sagehen

Would his head explode if you point out that all the ultra-rich “elitists” demonized by Fox and Sinclair earned their own fortunes in their own lifetimes, while most of the ones the RW adores (Trump, Kochs, Waltons) inherited it all and never “earned” a damned thing?

That is a great suggestion. During our next “discussion” (though he may be tired of our disagreements) I may bring it to his attention. Their fathers did create the fortune; but they themselves inherited the money.

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austin_blue  May 27, 2018 • 10:47:21pm

re: #372 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I saw “flight school that trains Chinese pilots” and I couldn’t help thinking of this:

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I know, I’m going to hell….

Serpentine!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 10:52:40pm

How do fundies explain the failure of the demon-inspired gay communard MS-13-loving Brown administration to eradicate all vestiges of such Christian expression as the Bethel Church?
It must be a miracle of course!

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mmmirele  May 27, 2018 • 10:59:22pm

re: #375 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

How do fundies explain the failure of the demon-inspired gay communard MS-13-loving Brown administration to eradicate all vestiges of such Christian expression as the Bethel Church?
It must be a miracle of course!

Actually, fundies hate the Bethel Church crowd. People like to think of conservative Protestants as monolithic but there are numerous fault lines. The fundies (independent Fundamental Baptists) and Reformed (Calvinist) types tend to hate the Charismatic/Pentecostal types because the latter believe in things like apostles, prophets, gifts, gold dust and feathers. The vitriol that pours forth from the Calvinist crowd towards the “New Apostolic Reformation” bunch in videos is amazing to behold.

They have, however, dropped their differences in their uncritical support of Donald Trump, which makes the whole of Evangelical Protestantism scary as hell.

Speaking of California and religion, apparently Franklin Graham is going to give speeches (not “campaign”) in “central California.” That apparently includes Berkeley, which of course will not go over well with the locals.

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Single-handed sailor  May 27, 2018 • 11:02:56pm

My daughter just graduated UCB last week. Of course there was a protest at graduation. It’s Berkeley.

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BeachDem  May 27, 2018 • 11:09:03pm

re: #375 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

How do fundies explain the failure of the demon-inspired gay communard MS-13-loving Brown administration to eradicate all vestiges of such Christian expression as the Bethel Church?
It must be a miracle of course!

There was something particularly hinky about the Bethel school, but I can’t remember exactly what it was anymore. And some of their elected officials…whee doggies, very strange. Gotta say though, as in most places I’ve worked on projects, the social service people were really good. One saving grace for the underserved populace.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 11:11:07pm
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Single-handed sailor  May 27, 2018 • 11:15:20pm

Ass-oranges of the non-proletariat variety.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 27, 2018 • 11:15:25pm

Kiwis are just like those strawberries you get that are all white inside and taste like ivy.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 11:16:43pm

re: #381 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Kiwis are just like those strawberries you get that are all white inside and taste like ivy.

LOL!!!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 27, 2018 • 11:22:37pm

re: #364 sagehen

Would his head explode if you point out that all the ultra-rich “elitists” demonized by Fox and Sinclair earned their own fortunes in their own lifetimes, while most of the ones the RW adores (Trump, Kochs, Waltons) inherited it all and never “earned” a damned thing?

A very significant insight. I’ve decided that the political right does not exist to protect wealth per se but to protect birthright privilege in general.
I’ve shared my observation that libertarian fanatics in particular are often people who have not done as well as their parents. There is a strong Faulkneresque “aristocrats gone to seed” vibe about them.

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JordanRules  May 27, 2018 • 11:28:57pm
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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 11:33:57pm

Sometime last week, I wasn’t paying attention and the chiggers ate my ass up….. Damn I hate those things.

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Dave In Austin  May 27, 2018 • 11:46:01pm

This is a good read right here. Please take a few minutes.

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sagehen  May 27, 2018 • 11:55:12pm

re: #379 JordanRules

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Pineapple on pizza.

(either for or against; each of which will OUTRAGE!! half of everyone)

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freetoken  May 28, 2018 • 12:00:57am

re: #387 Dave In Austin

Thanks. It’s very easy for stories to get jumbled together. I think this is why it is always important to get as much information as possible before diving off into judgements, as many times a small bit of information is missing from initial reports. That’s why there are “24 hour” informal rules when it comes to outrageous events.

The real story that is tragic is the separating of families that are caught entering the country without permission. As jduffyrice points out, it is important to not let a simple misdirection spoil the direct impact of that.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 12:50:37am

re: #387 Dave In Austin

This is a good read right here. Please take a few minutes.

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Excellent thread!
I certainly still see a ton of policy and institutional failures and am not comforted but it’s damned import for facts to be laid out like this.

And upon those facts I remain scared for our country and the children.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 3:00:18am

re: #365 Ace-o-aces

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 3:09:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 3:31:18am

totally adorable:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 3:37:10am

aftermath of last night’s floods near Baltimore:

much more in his thread

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 3:40:09am

thread:

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jeffreyw  May 28, 2018 • 4:48:56am

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Good morning!

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lawhawk  May 28, 2018 • 5:06:11am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area on this Memorial Day. Today isn’t just a day to thank service members for their service, but to remember the fallen who gave their all in defense of the nation.

We memorialize the day with parades and laying wreaths. But for most, it’s just a day to celebrate, party, shop, and barbecue/grill. I get that, because I do the latter too. But I also know what the day means for so many and want to give my thanks to those that served and answered the call, and those who never came back.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 5:07:23am

re: #379 JordanRules

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I don’t like spaghetti.

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lawhawk  May 28, 2018 • 5:11:26am

So, with Trump’s on-again/off-again summit with Jong Un, what’s Trump giving up to get the summit back on?

That’s the one question everyone in the media should be asking but hasn’t.

Trump’s the one who cancelled the meeting. He’s the one who’s now desperate to get it back on. What’s he giving up again to get it?

We know he gave up the precondition North Korea first dismantle its nuclear program before direct talks with the US. So, what’s he giving up now?

How do we know he’s going to give up more? Because that’s how he operates. There’s no reason for North Korea to rejoin the notion of a summit without extracting more concessions from Trump. They know Trump needs the summit more than they do at this point. North Korea already gained the legitimacy as a result of the last set of concessions giving North Korea parity with the US.

They’ll play to Trump’s vanity and ego while giving up nothing in return. We know this too: they “decommissioned” their test site, but the reality was it was already too far gone to be used again. They blew up the test site in confirming that their weapons design worked. They couldn’t use it again, so they made a show of decomissioning it.

They gave up nothing in doing that. They have a working bomb design. They have a stockpile they can work from. They can make more nukes. They have working missile designs. They haven’t given up anything to get to this point while Trump keeps negotiating against himself.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:51:27am

re: #266 Joe Bacon 🌹

They make such a loving couple…

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Thanks to my “Make Trump Kittens Again” extension, all I see are kittens where Maggie and Donald should be.

Just got in from lowering the flags in the village.

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 6:04:51am
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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 6:07:05am

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

totally adorable:

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Nothing like a sharp dressed little man with The Moves™.

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MsJ  May 28, 2018 • 6:07:32am

re: #274 freetoken

I never had braces, because we couldn’t afford them. However, my underbite is such that braces were not really going to be the right way to go anyway, not without surgery.

Still, so odd watching the normal people of the 1950’s and early 60’s on these TV game shows. The movie stars and big TV stars often had the very expensive dentistry services, but the common folk did not.

I cannot imagine what my life would be had I not gotten braces. I had teeth that stuck out in ways teeth were never meant to… Like one of my front teeth was damn near parallel to the ground.

I don’t think I’d have accomplished what I have without fixing my teeth. I wore braces for years.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 6:10:00am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I don’t like spaghetti.

What? That’s unAmerican.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 6:13:24am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I don’t like spaghetti.

Whoa!!
It’s one of my favorites.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 6:22:45am

re: #405 JordanRules

Whoa!!
It’s one of my favorites.

I prefer other pastas. Spaghetti isn’t cheesy enough for me.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 6:23:19am

re: #404 ObserverArt

What? That’s unAmerican.

I find it kind of bland tbh.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 6:23:40am

re: #401 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 6:23:57am

re: #401 jaunte

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Because of course he did.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 6:25:05am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 6:27:43am

re: #410 JordanRules

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Trump would deport him.

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MsJ  May 28, 2018 • 6:34:02am

re: #404 ObserverArt

What? That’s unAmerican.

Wouldn’t that be unItalian? 😁

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wheat-dogg  May 28, 2018 • 6:37:37am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Trump would deport him.

Anecdotal contribution here. One of my businessmen friends here in China, who has visited the USA once on a tourist visa and another time on a business visa pre-Trump, was recently denied a tourist visa. Instead, his company is sending him practically everywhere else — Mexico, Brazil, the EU, Canada and Australia — to find local partners and distributors for the power management systems.

This “America First” bullshit is going to put America Last.

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 6:43:25am

France rewards an immigrant’s heroic act, while in America, we reward:

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wheat-dogg  May 28, 2018 • 6:46:28am

re: #414 jaunte

I’m guessing he’ll run through the $3K in a week, work three days at the job, and either quit or be fired.

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 6:47:35am

Alex Jones apparently has a bottomless well of gullible contributors.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 6:47:49am

re: #412 MsJ

Wouldn’t that be unItalian? 😁

Hey…we are a melting pot.

Well, we used to be anyway.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 6:51:10am

re: #396 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

That cardinal appears to be smiling and saying…”Hey, look, there’s peanuts over here!”

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William Lewis  May 28, 2018 • 6:52:30am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Trump would deport him.

Has Trump ever acknowledged the heroism of Army Pfc. Emmanuel Mensah?

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 6:56:00am

re: #416 jaunte

Alex Jones apparently has a bottomless well of gullible contributors.

And I hope it all goes to the Sandy Hook families.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 6:58:18am

A better question would be, “How can you tell if Trump is telling the truth?” Because he lies so automatically it’s his default.

You can tell Trump is telling the truth about HIMSELF when he starts blaming Obama and Clinton for stuff, which means hedidit.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 7:01:11am

I still can’t believe *this* Cavs team is going to the Finals.
Holy smokes!!

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 7:03:30am

re: #419 William Lewis

Has Trump ever acknowledged the heroism of Army Pfc. Emmanuel Mensah?

I don’t think so. In fact, I’ve nrver heard him talk positively about any immigrant.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 7:04:55am

re: #422 JordanRules

I still can’t believe *this* Cavs team is going to the Finals.
Holy smokes!!

I thought they were done in the first round against the Pacers.

I am not going to count them out of the finals even though they will be underdogs and a lot of American sports fans will complain they are there.

I’m just gonna do the fan thing and enjoy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 7:07:37am

re: #401 jaunte

Happy Memorial Day! Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well our country is doing today. Best economy in decades, lowest unemployment numbers for Blacks and Hispanics EVER (& women in 18years), rebuilding our Military and so much more. Nice!

— Donald J. Trump

I hate “Happy Memorial Day.” I really do.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 7:07:49am

re: #419 William Lewis

Has Trump ever acknowledged the heroism of Army Pfc. Emmanuel Mensah?

Didn’t Trump dump on the African countries calling them “shit holes” a short time after his heroism?

That’s Trump acknowledgement right there.

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jeffreyw  May 28, 2018 • 7:08:40am

re: #418 ObserverArt

That cardinal appears to be smiling and saying…”Hey, look, there’s peanuts over here!”

I think I have the camera set for a 5 minute delay before it will take another pic (motion sensor). We scrolled through hundred of photos before we actually found one that captured a bird with a peanut in its beak. Mostly, the photos show the peanuts disappearing, one by one, as if by magic.

Imgur

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 28, 2018 • 7:11:03am

Trump is getting lambasted in the responses to that tweet…as he should be.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 7:13:39am
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Ace-o-aces  May 28, 2018 • 7:29:54am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 7:36:06am

re: #430 Ace-o-aces

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He doesn’t respect veterans and their families at all. He and his family know what sacrifice means.

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William Lewis  May 28, 2018 • 7:48:41am

re: #426 ObserverArt

Didn’t Trump dump on the African countries calling them “shit holes” a short time after his heroism?

That’s Trump acknowledgement right there.

Oh, I know. It was a semi-rhetorical question. As a vet I’ve never been terribly fond of Memorial day or Veteran’s day; lots of pious crap from politicians and people who think supporting the troops means to watch fireworks or stuff their faces with BBQ while ignoring the problems real vets have.

Watching my son play The Legend of Zelda on his Nintendo Switch is far more worth those years for me.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 7:50:08am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t respect veterans and their families at all. He and his family know what sacrifice means.

I’m waiting for any proof that Trump respects and cares for anyone outside of himself. Even his own family.

I think the Greeks would be amazed by our modern Narcissus.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 7:51:30am

re: #432 William Lewis

Oh, I know. It was a semi-rhetorical question. As a vet I’ve never been terribly fond of Memorial day or Veteran’s day; lots of pious crap from politicians and people who think supporting the troops means to watch fireworks or stuff their faces with BBQ while ignoring the problems real vets have.

Watching my son play The Legend of Zelda on his Nintendo Switch is far more worth those years for me.

It wasn’t so much so when Memorial Day was established as May 30. When the Monday Holiday Act moved it to the last Monday in May, it became the unofficial beginning of Summer.

The VFW has been campaigning to move Memorial Day back to May 30, but businesses are resisting that (it cuts into profit to have a federal holiday in the middle of the week).

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 7:54:11am

re: #433 ObserverArt

I’m waiting for any proof that Trump respects and cares for anyone outside of himself. Even his own family.

I think the Greeks would be amazed by our modern Narcissus.

You’ve got that right.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 7:56:06am

He’ll be praying on the golf course. And of course this public law listed in the Memorial Day proclamation entirely ignores the countless atheists who have served in the military, stealing our valour.

In honor and recognition of all of our fallen heroes, the Congress, by a joint resolution approved May 11, 1950, as amended (36 U.S.C. 116), has requested the President issue a proclamation calling on the people of the United States to observe each Memorial Day as a day of prayer for permanent peace and designating a period on that day when the people of the United States might unite in prayer. The Congress, by Public Law 106-579, has also designated 3:00 p.m. local time on that day as a time for all Americans to observe, in their own way, the National Moment of Remembrance.

whitehouse.gov (Full proclamation)

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 7:59:26am

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:01:12am

re: #437 The Vicious Babushka

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 8:08:25am
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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 8:09:26am

Arlington National Cemetery nearing capacity: report

The Army, which runs the cemetery, want to keep admitting new people to the cemetery for at least another 150 years, the Times noted.

However, the cemetery is surrounded by highways and development, preventing it from expanding. This means rules for admission will have to tighten if the Army wants to keep admitting veterans in the long term.
According to the Times, the Army is considering a policy that would only allow veterans killed in action or those awarded the Medal of Honor, the highest decoration for acts of valor, to be buried at Arlington.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:11:30am

re: #440 Unshaken Defiance

Arlington National Cemetery nearing capacity: report

Hopefully they won’t have to as many burials if you catch my drift.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 8:15:28am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

Hopefully they won’t have to as many burials if you catch my drift.

seize some more property from traitors…

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:16:49am

re: #442 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

seize some more property from traitors…

Well I was hoping for fewer wars for men and women of the armed forces to die in.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 8:19:15am

re: #401 jaunte

Happy Memorial Day! Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well our country is doing today. Best economy in decades, lowest unemployment numbers for Blacks and Hispanics EVER (& women in 18years), rebuilding our Military and so much more. Nice!

Happy?
HAPPY? Memorial Day

are you an effing loon?

the man is clueless and devoid of empathy

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 8:20:39am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

I don’t like spaghetti.

[i dont like mondays]

YouTube

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 8:21:58am

How about we remember the children today?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 8:22:07am

Trump Jr. building political base to run after his father is finished in the Presidency.

theguardian.com

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:22:30am

re: #445 dangerman

[i dont like mondays]

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Larger

Heh well it was for controversial opinions.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:22:57am

re: #447 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Jr. building political base to run after his father is finished in the Presidency.

theguardian.com

Hopefully he’ll be a convicted felon.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 8:24:17am

re: #430 Ace-o-aces

“The President deserves some answers.” @FoxNews in discussing “SPYGATE.”

you’re right. you do
you’ll get them on the investigator’s schedule and convenience, not yours.
have patience
be prepared (ok that was a waste of a suggestion)
you may not like them

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 8:27:59am

re: #446 Unshaken Defiance

There is only one worthwhile thing we could possibly hear from Donald Trump. Where are the innocent children you had seized? Find the children you lost you tyrant.

all we can expect to hear is spin about how there were children who went missing before 2017…

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 8:30:10am

NPR

It’s irresistible to reflect on how history might have been enlivened if leaders of the past had been able to tweet in a style similar to President Trump’s.

Abraham Lincoln might tweet in April of 1861:
“Crooked Confederates bomb Ft. Sumter. Not good!”

Imagine a John F. Kennedy inaugural tweet:
“Ask Not what your country can do for you. Ask What can a new Tax Bill do for Me?”

And Cotton Mather, the Puritan minister, could have tweeted in the 1690s:
“20 witches Tried and Down! This is the Greatest Witch Hunt in History!”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 8:31:21am

re: #444 dangerman

Happy?
HAPPY? Memorial Day

are you an effing loon?

Yes

the man is clueless and devoid of empathy

Also Yes

LOL

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:31:30am

re: #452 Unshaken Defiance

NPR

The only thing we have to fear is tons of immigrants not fear fear itself.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 8:31:46am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

Hopefully he’ll be a convicted felon.

That is not a bar to run for President (see Eugene Debs, who ran from prison).

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 8:31:56am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

all we can expect to hear is spin about how there were children who went missing before 2017…

3 guesses what they can expect to hear from me in response… It’s gonna get loud. I wonder what the record decibel level is from the unamplified human voice?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 8:32:30am

re: #452 Unshaken Defiance

It’s irresistible to reflect on how history might have been enlivened if leaders of the past had been able to tweet in a style similar to President Trump’s.

“December 7th, a day that will live in Inflamy!”

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 8:32:33am

“…The Kremlin talked about Trump like he was their boy, and their comments weren’t always flattering.” The NSA official stated that those above-top-secret reports left no doubt that the Russians were subverting our democracy in 2016—and that Team Trump was a witting participant in the Kremlin’s criminal conspiracy: “Trump and his kids knew what they were doing, and who they were doing it with,” the official explained.

This information helps explain why James Clapper, our country’s most experienced spy-boss, recently amplified his previous statement that our president was Vladimir Putin’s “asset” by explaining that he has “no doubt” that Russian spies “swung the election to a Trump win.” This weekend, Clapper stated that he was “absolutely” unaware of the FBI’s use of informants to gain information about the Trump campaign in 2016. Tellingly, Clapper said nothing about top-secret-plus intelligence which might have spurred the Bureau to rustle up some informants in this case—and, like any veteran spook with a half-century in the spy business, Clapper isn’t likely to blab about high-grade SIGINT anytime soon, particularly when it implicates the president in espionage and worse.”

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:32:44am

re: #455 Anymouse 🌹

That is not a bar to run for President (see Eugene Debs, who ran from prison).

That’s true. Debs also never got elected.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:33:31am

re: #457 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“December 7th, a day that will live in Inflamy!”

“Why can’t we have a wall like East Berlin?”

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:33:56am

re: #458 jaunte

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They definitely knew what they’re doing. They may be stupid about policy but they know how to make the goose gander for them.

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 8:35:21am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

His daddy taught him how to be a criminal and get away with it; the family’s working on a global scale now.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 28, 2018 • 8:36:19am

re: #396 jeffreyw

I just had to rescue a peanut stealing Bluejay out of my squirrel feeder.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 8:41:31am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

all we can expect to hear is spin about how there were children who went missing before 2017…

while this is true it can be turned around

you are the president now
you have the power now
what are you doing now
let’s talk only about those children lost on your watch

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 8:42:48am

re: #464 dangerman

while this is true it can be turned around

you are the president now
you have the power now
what are you doing now
let’s talk only about those children lost on your watch

you are arguing rationally. that is not what spin is about. it is about making it all the democrats’ fault

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 8:43:37am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

That’s true. Debs also never got elected.

And if Don Jr. tries, I hope he’s laughed off the stage.

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Jay C  May 28, 2018 • 8:44:50am

re: #458 jaunte

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Yeah, well, this “no small claim” is likely to be dissed, ignored and/or dismissed by Team Trump and its creatures: they have made it quite clear that they are FAR less concerned with the presence (and/or participation) of Russian assets in their 2016 campaign than they are with the seemingly heinous abuse that some FBI agent might have been working there as well to keep an eye on the Russians.
Or, even worse, that said G-Man might have actually found something….

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 8:44:53am

re: #466 Anymouse 🌹

And if Don Jr. tries, I hope he’s laughed off the stage.

I hope for more than that.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 8:45:00am

re: #465 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you are arguing rationally. that is not what spin is about. it is about making it all the democrats’ fault

my dog ate that memo //

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 8:45:28am

Important thread, if you haven’t seen it yet:

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 8:46:27am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 8:47:35am

re: #456 Unshaken Defiance

3 guesses what they can expect to hear from me in response… It’s gonna get loud. I wonder what the record decibel level is from the unamplified human voice?

——- ——-

The loudest (verified) human scream was 129 dB (decibels) performed by Jill Drake, a woman.

In contrast, the average lawnmower is around 90 dB, a jet engine around 120 dB and a gunshot around 140 dB. Any exposure to decibel levels at or above 140 dB can cause immediate hearing damage.

quora.com

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Jay C  May 28, 2018 • 8:47:37am

re: #469 dangerman

my dog Obama ate that memo //

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 8:47:52am

re: #471 Unshaken Defiance

This is what happens when teachers have degrees in Education rather than History.

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sagehen  May 28, 2018 • 8:52:25am

re: #401 jaunte

Happy Memorial Day! Those who died for our great country would be very happy and proud at how well…

At least 400,000 of those who died for our great country would be pretty damned appalled that we now have a president who thinks Nazis are OK.

80 years before that, half the Civil War dead would be appalled that we now have a president who wants to protect Confederate monuments and the display of the stars and bars.

The rest of our war dead… we can only guess how many would find these things appalling, my personal guess is somewhere between half and two-thirds. Now let’s add the ones who are appalled at the idea of supporting KGB over the FBI…

So overall, a significant majority of those who died for our great country wouldn’t be all that happy or proud of our current situation.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 8:54:30am
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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 8:54:57am

re: #447 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Jr. building political base to run after his father is finished in the Presidency.

theguardian.com

Oh hell no!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 8:54:59am

re: #416 jaunte

Alex Jones apparently has a bottomless well of gullible contributors.

Of course he does since millions of gullible marks have been dumbed down by Religious Right Pulpit Pimps!

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 8:55:34am

re: #470 jaunte
We can connect the dots… Walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 8:56:20am

re: #476 Anymouse 🌹

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TUCK YOU, FRUMP!

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 9:03:52am
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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 9:06:16am

‘Morning, Lizards,

I’ve been out pretty much all weekend, BBQ at my BiL’s on Saturday, brunch with friends in the Flatiron District yesterday. Today the wife has gone shopping with a friend, and I’m practicing songs for a surprise Wednesday lunchtime show, to announce the summer schedule for the Bryant Park Film Festival in NYC. That should be fun if I’m able to wipe the ordeal of getting into NYC at 10:30 AM from my memory.

Other music-related stuff behind the button…

I sold off a couple of my vintage guitars this week in order to upgrade my stage rig. I’m getting a new amp modeler, and I’ve spent a lot of the weekend reading up on Impulse Responses and other things I haven’t had to learn to this point. Tchnology is fun!

As for the NBA playoffs - I’m not gonna lie, I was hoping for a Houston-Boston series. Yes, ‘Bron is great. Yes, Golden State is fearsome. Indisputable facts. But I was hoping for an upset to the NBA narrative and some youngs to get to the Big Dance instead of watching a re-run of last year..

The fact that the Cavs won last night has taken 50% of my interest in the Finals right out. I’ll watch Game 7 tonight, and if Golden State wins I’ll just pass on the Finals altogether. A Cleveland-Houston Finals would keep me watching, but Cleveland-GS again? Nah.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 9:06:34am

Our last update from the Denver surgery and massacree:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 9:07:12am

re: #481 JordanRules

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Ace-o-aces  May 28, 2018 • 9:07:15am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:07:59am

re: #481 JordanRules

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They really think that Trump is one of the best things that has ever happened to this country. Part of that is Republican hive loyalty but a greater part of it is that Trump is exactly what Republican voters have wanted from their leaders for years.

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Ace-o-aces  May 28, 2018 • 9:08:27am
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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 9:12:01am

re: #485 Ace-o-aces

Any man who can do this should be allowed to.

if his aim was that good, how would anyone know?
(aside from all his bragging)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 9:13:32am
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Jay C  May 28, 2018 • 9:13:47am

re: #488 dangerman

if his aim was that good, how would anyone know?
(aside from all his bragging)

All depends on exactly where that sign was posted.
(Not sure I’d want to be in the vicinity, though)

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:15:42am

re: #489 Anymouse 🌹

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Has anyone in the Trump family and I’m including the extended clan here ever served at all? We know Donald didn’t. We know Fred didn’t. And we know Dumb and Dumber didn’t eitehr.

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plansbandc  May 28, 2018 • 9:16:33am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

In a hot second.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:18:41am

re: #492 plansbandc

In a hot second.

Some of the most patriotic people I’ve seen to this country are immigrants. And I definitely mean real patriotism and not that phony shit that Trump sells as patriotism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 9:20:39am

moron livetweets Fox:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 9:22:29am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:23:01am

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron livetweets Fox:

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Yeah because FNC isn’t biased towards you in anyway at all Dulltard.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 9:24:28am

re: #491 HappyWarrior

Has anyone in the Trump family and I’m including the extended clan here ever served at all? We know Donald didn’t. We know Fred didn’t. And we know Dumb and Dumber didn’t eitehr.

No. None have.

The overwhelming majority of Americans have never been in the military. I get that. The military is not some sacred trust, nor its veterans some saints to be venerated.

The military cannot accomplish its mission without the overwhelming majority of people who were never enlisted nor commissioned, doing the jobs they do every day.

President Obama was not in the military either, nor as far as I know any of his family members.

However, President Obama gets the point of military service, of veterans who are one and done, made a career, were disabled, or perished in combat. For Mr. Obama, the marking of the day is not about him.

Despite the claims of conservatives, Mr. Obama deeply cared about the status of the troops. He cared when they deserved recognition, which is why he pushed the DOD to approve those who were submitted for the Congressional Medal of Honor.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 9:26:29am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:26:39am

re: #497 Anymouse 🌹

No. None have.

The overwhelming majority of Americans have never been in the military. I get that. The military is not some sacred trust, nor its veterans some saints to be venerated.

The military cannot accomplish its mission without the overwhelming majority of people who were never enlisted nor commissioned, doing the jobs they do every day.

President Obama was not in the military either, nor as far as I know any of his family members.

However, President Obama gets the point of military service, of veterans who are one and done, made a career, were disabled, or perished in combat. For Mr. Obama, the marking of the day is not about him.

Despite the claims of conservatives, Mr. Obama deeply cared about the status of the troops. He cared when they deserved recognition, which is why he pushed the DOD to approve those who were submitted for the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Well I was talking for the entire extended clan. Neither me or my brothers or our father was but our maternal grandfather was as was my Dad’s brother and nearly all of our grand uncles too including Uncle Stan who technically speaking would be an “Anchor Baby” in RW lingo.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 9:29:20am

re: #499 HappyWarrior

Well I was talking for the entire extended clan. Neither me or my brothers or our father was but our maternal grandfather was as was my Dad’s brother and nearly all of our grand uncles too including Uncle Stan who technically speaking would be an “Anchor Baby” in RW lingo.

As far as I know, no Trump or extended Klansman has been in the military.

My own father would be an anchor baby in Conservaderp.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 9:29:40am

re: #490 Jay C

All depends on exactly where that sign was posted.
(Not sure I’d want to be in the vicinity, though)

i was guessing airplane restroom

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:31:36am

re: #498 Unshaken Defiance

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Anyone who claims Trump is more of a real American than Obama can kiss my liberal ass. Obama gets it in ways Trump never will.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 9:32:19am

re: #482 makeitstop

‘Morning, Lizards,

I’ve been out pretty much all weekend, BBQ at my BiL’s on Saturday, brunch with friends in the Flatiron District yesterday. Today the wife has gone shopping with a friend, and I’m practicing songs for a surprise Wednesday lunchtime show, to announce the summer schedule for the Bryant Park Film Festival in NYC. That should be fun if I’m able to wipe the ordeal of getting into NYC at 10:30 AM from my memory.

Other music-related stuff behind the button…

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As for the NBA playoffs - I’m not gonna lie, I was hoping for a Houston-Boston series. Yes, ‘Bron is great. Yes, Golden State is fearsome. Indisputable facts. But I was hoping for an upset to the NBA narrative and some youngs to get to the Big Dance instead of watching a re-run of last year..

The fact that the Cavs won last night has taken 50% of my interest in the Finals right out. I’ll watch Game 7 tonight, and if Golden State wins I’ll just pass on the Finals altogether. A Cleveland-Houston Finals would keep me watching, but Cleveland-GS again? Nah.

Boo!

(Cavs fan)

You may miss something special if you don’t watch. Never count Lebron Cavs out. Besides, Golden State has some issues of their own. Houston has shown that.

(Cavs fan off soapbox)

What kind of amp modeler you looking to pick up?

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:32:32am

re: #500 Anymouse 🌹

As far as I know, no Trump or extended Klansman has been in the military.

My own father would be an anchor baby in Conservaderp.

Yeah I don’t know of any either. It’s not even military service. It’s serving the country. I still remember his answer when he tried to claim he sacrificed when he clearly demonstrated he did not know what sacrifice meant.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 9:33:21am

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron livetweets Fox:

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im just looking at those two tweets

assuming they are in fact exact verbatim quotes - there is no way he does this himself
and certainly not real time as it’s being broadcast

someone gets it onto paper and then keys it in
or is doing some kind of cut and paste from some source

no way he himself is ‘transcribing’ or ‘editing’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 9:36:34am

re: #485 Ace-o-aces

Any man who can do this should be allowed to.

and those who can’t deserve what they get for attempting it

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 9:38:56am

re: #500 Anymouse 🌹

My own father would be an anchor baby in Conservaderp.

My paternal grandparents were “chain immigrants”, sent over as children to live with their relatives.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 9:39:36am

re: #504 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t know of any either. It’s not even military service. It’s serving the country. I still remember his answer when he tried to claim he sacrificed when he clearly demonstrated he did not know what sacrifice meant.

trumps first attempt at any public service was the presidency

that should have been enough to tell everyone what they needed to know:
that he knew nothing that he needed to know

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Stanley Sea  May 28, 2018 • 9:39:50am

Obama’s grandfather & great uncle served

Stanley Dunham, enlisted in the military shortly after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and served as a sergeant with the U.S. Army in Europe during the war.

Barack Obama’s great uncle, Charlie Payne, was part of a group of American troops who helped liberate Buchenwald.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:40:57am

re: #507 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My paternal grandparents were “chain immigrants”, sent over as children to live with their relatives.

So many of ours were. My grandmother’s neighborhood in Pennsylvania may as well been another extension of the home village. All the adults knew each other from the old country. In fact, when I talked to one of my DNA matches, we uncovered it was her great grandparents that had my great grandfather board with them when he arrived. Immigration is essential to the American story and Trump is really the only President I’ve seen that doesn’t get that.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:41:42am

re: #509 Stanley Sea

Obama’s grandfather & great uncle served

Yep. I believe his uncle, Charlie is still with us.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 9:42:00am

re: #508 dangerman

trumps first attempt at any public service was the presidency

that should have been enough to tell everyone what they needed to know:
that he knew nothing that he needed to know

that was seen as a benefit: an outsider, an anti-politician coming in to kick some ass and shake things up.

It allowed him to get away with things that would have derailed the campaigns or even careers of most professional politicians.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 9:42:39am

re: #504 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t know of any either. It’s not even military service. It’s serving the country. I still remember his answer when he tried to claim he sacrificed when he clearly demonstrated he did not know what sacrifice meant.

“I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world. It is a dangerous world out there — it’s scary, like Vietnam,” he told [Howard] Stern 19 years ago. “Sort of like the Vietnam era.”

Stern then called these trysts Trump’s “own, personal Vietnam.”

“It is my personal Vietnam,” the businessman-turned-politician agreed. “I feel like a great and very brave solider.”

Trump later admitted that unprotected sex was better than Vietnam.

thewrap.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 9:42:56am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:44:09am

re: #512 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that was seen as a benefit: an outsider, an anti-politician coming in to kick some ass and shake things up.

It allowed him to get away with things that would have derailed the campaigns or even careers of most professional politicians.

Well I think what DM is saying that this was his first attempt at any sort of public service. I mean there are previous Presidents that had never been elected but take Eisenhower, not even including his service as Supreme Allied commander had been an university President.I hope the Trump experience shows anyone just looking for an “outsider” that it’s not a good idea especially one that isn’t humble enough to admit when he’s wrong.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:44:44am

re: #513 Anymouse 🌹

thewrap.com

He has no respect at all for families like yours or mine or any that have had to worry about their loved ones coming home safe.

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MsJ  May 28, 2018 • 9:46:02am

re: #447 Anymouse 🌹

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 9:46:50am

re: #515 HappyWarrior

Well I think what DM is saying that this was his first attempt at any sort of public service. I mean there are previous Presidents that had never been elected but take Eisenhower, not even including his service as Supreme Allied commander had been an university President.I hope the Trump experience shows anyone just looking for an “outsider” that it’s not a good idea especially one that isn’t humble enough to admit when he’s wrong.

It did not bother a lot of people that he had no record of public service and on top of that, he was not forthcoming with the details of his private service.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 9:47:31am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

So many of ours were. My grandmother’s neighborhood in Pennsylvania may as well been another extension of the home village. All the adults knew each other from the old country. In fact, when I talked to one of my DNA matches, we uncovered it was her great grandparents that had my great grandfather board with them when he arrived. Immigration is essential to the American story and Trump is really the only President I’ve seen that doesn’t get that.

George HW Bush didn’t either, when he slashed admitting refugees from Indochina.

It was so bad even the Heritage Foundation called him out for it.

heritage.org

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:49:29am

re: #519 Anymouse 🌹

George HW Bush didn’t either, when he slashed admitting refugees from Indochina.

It was so bad even the Heritage Foundation called him out for it.

heritage.org

You know it’s bad when the Heritage Foundation thinks you’re being a heartless prick. I don’t think GHWB was though a xenophobe in the sense Trump is. I’m not defending that policy decision mind you but Trump is in a league of his own in how he views immigrants.

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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 9:49:53am

re: #503 ObserverArt

Boo!

(Cavs fan)

You may miss something special if you don’t watch. Never count Lebron Cavs out. Besides, Golden State has some issues of their own. Houston has shown that.

(Cavs fan off soapbox)

I’ve got no dog in the fight in these series at all. Just seeing Cavs or Golden State (or Miami before that, or the Bulls teams in the 90s) getting to the Finals every year kills my interest.

Boston got close, but their youth betrayed them in the biggest moment. And I don’t even like The Cs, but would have watched just for the novelty of having a young team challenging for a chip.

The torch will pass sooner or later. I was hoping for sooner, but I can wait another year. :)

What kind of amp modeler you looking to pick up?

A Mooer GE-200, it’s in transit and will arrive tomorrow. Mooer is a Chinese company that’s flown below the radar to this point - they’re known mostly for their mini-stomp boxes - but they’re doing some high-end things with a more moderately-priced unit in this modeler. It meets my criteria for travel (gotta be small enough to fit into my luggage) and has actual amp modeling that sounds amazing for the price point. Add in that you can load your own IRs and now you’re doing stuff that the high end units like Kemper can do. And it’s also got an expression pedal and an on-board tuner, which the Tech21 Fly Rig didn’t have (and I really need both for live). Demo video behind the button.

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CleverToad  May 28, 2018 • 9:52:09am

re: #483 dangerman

Our last update from the Denver surgery and massacree:

Yay and whew!
Here’s to lots of rest, recovery and relaxation for both of you now.
Glad the Colorado docs came through for you! (buffs fingernails, looks modestly pleased by proxy)

Come back sometime for a better reason, and we’ll hope the Denver weather behaves itself a little better :)

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Skip Intro  May 28, 2018 • 9:52:33am

re: #453 Anymouse 🌹

Also Yes

LOL

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My veteran pal got that today from some people in the dog park today. He just kept his mouth shut and nodded.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 9:52:45am

re: #520 HappyWarrior

You know it’s bad when the Heritage Foundation thinks you’re being a heartless prick. I don’t think GHWB was though a xenophobe in the sense Trump is. I’m not defending that policy decision mind you but Trump is in a league of his own in how he views immigrants.

Calvin Coolidge comes close with his 1924 Immigration Act.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 9:53:42am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:53:43am

southburnett.com.au

I actually had the pleasure of meeting the Belgian man featured in this article when my brother and I toured WWI battlefields last year in Flanders. It was an especially moving tour since I was with my own brother and we were accompanied by many Australians and Brits whose ancestors had fought in the area around Flanders. Our grandfather’s much older cousin served in WWI too but not in Belgium.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 9:54:16am

re: #512 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that was seen as a benefit: an outsider, an anti-politician coming in to kick some ass and shake things up.

It allowed him to get away with things that would have derailed the campaigns or even careers of most professional politicians.

Right
Idiotic logic

Other words for outsider or anti-politicial are amateur neophyte tyro beginner etc

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 9:54:37am

re: #524 Anymouse 🌹

Calvin Coolidge comes close with his 1924 Immigration Act.

He certainly does. Mom’s grandmother just missed that quota. A terrible stain and full of xenophobic trash that Eastern Europeans were nothing but commies and anarchists.

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Skip Intro  May 28, 2018 • 9:58:06am

Well, seeing the Trump tweets today has put my anger level into the danger zone, so it’s a time out for me.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 9:58:46am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

He certainly does. Mom’s grandmother just missed that quota. A terrible stain and full of xenophobic trash that Eastern Europeans were nothing but commies and anarchists.

And it took until 1965 to repeal it. After WW2, the conservative defense against repealing the act was it might allow communists and Nazis into the country.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 9:59:05am

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sagehen  May 28, 2018 • 9:59:27am

re: #526 HappyWarrior

southburnett.com.au

I actually had the pleasure of meeting the Belgian man featured in this article when my brother and I toured WWI battlefields last year in Flanders. It was an especially moving tour since I was with my own brother and we were accompanied by many Australians and Brits whose ancestors had fought in the area around Flanders. Our grandfather’s much older cousin served in WWI too but not in Belgium.

You can’t mention Flanders and not include the poem.

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 9:59:36am

re: #522 CleverToad

Yay and whew!
Here’s to lots of rest, recovery and relaxation for both of you now.
Glad the Colorado docs came through for you! (buffs fingernails, looks modestly pleased by proxy)

Come back sometime for a better reason, and we’ll hope the Denver weather behaves itself a little better :)

Mrs dm says “thanks, ‘Toad”

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:03:17am

re: #530 Anymouse 🌹

And it took until 1965 to repeal it. After WW2, the conservative defense against repealing the act was it might allow communists and Nazis into the country.

Yep. It was bs. I remember Bachmann defending the quotas we had on immigrants that Hart-Cellar repealed.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:03:44am

re: #532 sagehen

You can’t mention Flanders and not include the poem.

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

Nope, you can’t. Beautiful poem. We both saw where Major Macrae wrote it.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 10:04:37am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:06:08am

re: #536 gocart mozart

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See that alone should have gotten him out of any serious consideration if Republican voters were even a fraction as serious about patriotism as they claim.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:07:45am

If you’re a xenophobic right wing Republican, they let you do it. Do anything, degrade military service by likening your own sexual escapes do it. Republican voters are nothing but a bunch of hypocritical scondrels who claim to respect the military but when push comes to shove, they chose a fucking pig like Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:08:15am

American Prospect on why the GDPR is a good thing, not the horror that business outlets like the Wall Street Journal are noting.

prospect.org

They also blow up some of the corporate propaganda such as “it will destroy opportunities for start ups.”

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 10:08:24am

re: #537 HappyWarrior

See that alone should have gotten him out of any serious consideration if Republican voters were even a fraction as serious about patriotism as they claim.

True, but listed as item #6a on that very same “If” list. Just a tad below the creepy incestuous pedophile moment.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 10:09:13am

re: #521 makeitstop

I’ve got no dog in the fight in these series at all. Just seeing Cavs or Golden State (or Miami before that, or the Bulls teams in the 90s) getting to the Finals every year kills my interest.

Boston got close, but their youth betrayed them in the biggest moment. And I don’t even like The Cs, but would have watched just for the novelty of having a young team challenging for a chip.

The torch will pass sooner or later. I was hoping for sooner, but I can wait another year. :)

A Mooer GE-200, it’s in transit and will arrive tomorrow. Mooer is a Chinese company that’s flown below the radar to this point - they’re known mostly for their mini-stomp boxes - but they’re doing some high-end things with a more moderately-priced unit in this modeler. It meets my criteria for travel (gotta be small enough to fit into my luggage) and has actual amp modeling that sounds amazing for the price point. Add in that you can load your own IRs and now you’re doing stuff that the high end units like Kemper can do. And it’s also got an expression pedal and an on-board tuner, which the Tech21 Fly Rig didn’t have (and I really need both for live). Demo video behind the button.

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Conversely I root for the old guys when I don’t have any other allegiances. I historically never rooted for the Spurs but when they were fielding those mature teams at the end of their run I just loved it.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:09:50am

I’m old enough to remember that Republican voters hated Bill Clinton for not serving in Vietnam. But at least Clinton never tried to sleeping around to Vietnam.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:10:26am

re: #532 sagehen

You can’t mention Flanders and not include the poem.

Or the song… .

Dropkick Murphys - The Green Fields of France

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:12:44am

re: #543 Anymouse 🌹

Or the song… .

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The Pogues - The band played waltzing matilda

Also works too.

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William Lewis  May 28, 2018 • 10:13:51am

re: #535 HappyWarrior

Nope, you can’t. Beautiful poem. We both saw where Major Macrae wrote it.

Yeah, it is pretty, but I’m more in Owen’s camp and would rather argue that remembering the dead means to never accept the old lie again, of Dulce et Decorum Est.

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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 10:14:43am

re: #541 JordanRules

Conversely I root for the old guys when I don’t have any other allegiances. I historically never rooted for the Spurs but when they were fielding those mature teams at the end of their run I just loved it.

I always loved the Spurs, because Pop always had them play like a team. Even when they had stars like The Admiral or Duncan, there was always a really solid team behind them.

Brad Stevens’ coaching reminds me a lot of Pop. He had those kids punching way above their weight for a while, but the string ran out finally.

Boston’s going to be a handful next year. The team that got within a game of the Finals, with Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward back on the floor? That team’s going to be a headache for everybody.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:15:20am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember that Republican voters hated Bill Clinton for not serving in Vietnam. But at least Clinton never tried to sleeping around to Vietnam.

Not according to all those accusations that were funded by Richard Mellon Scaife and his Arkansas Project.

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electrotek  May 28, 2018 • 10:16:15am

Remembering Phil Hartman, who was shot and killed by his wife in a murder-suicide 20 years ago today. The world really lost a treasured soul that day and I don’t think he would envision the reality of Trump being POTUS today:

Trump Divorce Cold Open - SNL

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:16:55am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:17:18am

And now for the latest from Tom Tomorrow featuring people that sound like a chunk of callers I deal with every day…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 28, 2018 • 10:18:14am

re: #547 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not according to all those accusations that were funded by Richard Mellon Scaife and his Arkansas Project.

A Civil War song by Steve Earle: Ben McCulloch

One of my faves.

We signed up in San Antone, my brother Paul and me
To fight with Ben McCulloch and the Texas infantry
Well the poster said we’d get a uniform and seven bucks a week
The best rations in the army and a rifle we could keep

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:19:06am

re: #545 William Lewis

Yeah, it is pretty, but I’m more in Owen’s camp and would rather argue that remembering the dead means to never accept the old lie again, of Dulce et Decorum Est.

Yeah. I actually wrote a short story from a disillusioned British officer’s perspective. I forget was it Owen, Sansoon, or someone else who coined lambs leading lions or something like that. We also saw the grave of one of the youngest person to die in the war in combat.
livesofthefirstworldwar.org

My brother last year was around the same age as Valentine. It was as I said a very moving tour since I had my brother with me and we were with many people whose relatives had taken part in the fighting at the places we visited. Our guide was a Belgian man whose grandparents grew up in Flanders and who later married an Aussie. It was perhaps the most moving tour I’ve been on and I’ve been to a couple concentration camp sites too.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:21:00am

Caught some interesting on YouTube yesterday though about the women who disguised themselves as men to serve in the Civil War. Fascinating topic.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 10:24:59am

barf

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:25:03am

I took German history in college. We of course discussed WWI. One of my most interesting assignments was looking over letters sent by German soldiers during the war. The letters in the Summer of 1914 are optimistic, hopeful, and even cheerful in tone but as war shows its cruelty, you see more and more disillusion. Obviously every combat death is tragic but I always found myself asking what was more tragic- To die early in war or die so near the peace. From what I’ve read the first and last British soldiers to die are buried facing each other and that was not intended.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:25:33am

re: #554 The Vicious Babushka

barf

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They also came from many countries too. Acknowledge that too you asshole.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 10:27:00am

re: #530 Anymouse 🌹

And it took until 1965 to repeal it. After WW2, the conservative defense against repealing the act was it might allow communists and Nazis into the country.

You mean the same conservatives that today are fine with a former commie KGB member working with former communists countries to sway an election of our own Americanized nouveau-Nazi president?

My, how political values can change so quickly to get and maintain political power.

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 10:27:24am
The heroes who rest in these hallowed fields, in cemeteries, battlefields, and burial grounds near and far are drawn the full tapestry of American life.

Missing a “from” there, doofus.

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 10:29:54am

But why be careful with a sentence, it’s just a Memorial Day speech.

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sagehen  May 28, 2018 • 10:30:09am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember that Republican voters hated Bill Clinton for not serving in Vietnam. But at least Clinton never tried to sleeping around to Vietnam.

Bill Clinton made efforts to avoid Vietnam because he thought the whole war was a bad idea. He didn’t think anyone should be sent.

Mitt Romney made efforts to avoid Vietnam, even though he thought it was such a great idea he organized pro-draft rallies on campus.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:30:53am

re: #560 sagehen

Bill Clinton made efforts to avoid Vietnam because he thought the whole war was a bad idea. He didn’t think anyone should be sent.

Mitt Romney made efforts to avoid Vietnam, even though he thought it was such a great idea he organized pro-draft rallies on campus.

Yep I remember when I heard that about Mitt and it just disgusted me and it told me everything we should know about the kind of man Mitt Romney is.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:31:09am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

They also came from many countries too. Acknowledge that too you asshole.

People from other nations have served in this nation’s combats all the way back to the Revolutionary War. And he wiped away their contribution in one statement.

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MsJ  May 28, 2018 • 10:31:51am

re: #539 Anymouse 🌹

American Prospect on why the GDPR is a good thing, not the horror that business outlets like the Wall Street Journal are noting.

prospect.org

They also blow up some of the corporate propaganda such as “it will destroy opportunities for start ups.”

GDPR **IS** a good thing. You own what you do online. You can request your presence be completely removed, all history, everything. You determine who and what is fine with your private information.

We wouldn’t have had Cambridge Analytica of we had GDPR.

I want to own my browsing history. I want to own my own data. I want to tell Facebook to fuck off and delete me always and forever. But I can’t because I’m not in Europe.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:32:10am

re: #562 Anymouse 🌹

People from other nations have served in this nation’s combats all the way back to the Revolutionary War. And he wiped away their contribution in one statement.

Yep.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:32:16am

re: #560 sagehen

Bill Clinton made efforts to avoid Vietnam because he thought the whole war was a bad idea. He didn’t think anyone should be sent.

Mitt Romney made efforts to avoid Vietnam, even though he thought it was such a great idea he organized pro-draft rallies on campus.

And when his number came up, he suddenly had a Mormon mission assignment in Paris, even though missionary work was not an excuse for a draft deferment.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:34:47am

re: #563 MsJ

GDPR **IS** a good thing. You own what you do online. You can request your presence be completely removed, all history, everything. You determine who and what is fine with your private information.

We wouldn’t have had Cambridge Analytica of we had GDPR.

I want to own my browsing history. I want to own my own data. I want to tell Facebook to fuck off and delete me always and forever. But I can’t because I’m not in Europe.

What the GDPR will do is force corporations to come up with two standards (one for Europe and one for everyone else), or make them decide “it’s just easier to comply with the EU’s rules throughout the world.” If the latter, it benefits people in the USA and elsewhere through that knock-off effect.

It may also inspire other countries to adopt similar regulations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 10:35:19am

so, this happened last night and we all enjoyed it:

then this happened:

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:35:22am

re: #565 Anymouse 🌹

And when his number came up, he suddenly had a Mormon mission assignment in Paris, even though missionary work was not an excuse for a draft deferment.

I always hated that excuse. I mean I know the mission is important to LDS but my grandfather served with a lot of LDS men in Korea. They didn’t use their church to get out of the draft and I’m sure they had more misgivings about Korea than Mitt did about Vietnam. Mitt is a coward like Trump. I can accept it if he genuinely thought Vietnam was wrong but nope he protested for the draft and war and then hid out in France.

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William Lewis  May 28, 2018 • 10:38:17am
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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 10:39:28am

re: #546 makeitstop

I always loved the Spurs, because Pop always had them play like a team. Even when they had stars like The Admiral or Duncan, there was always a really solid team behind them.

Brad Stevens’ coaching reminds me a lot of Pop. He had those kids punching way above their weight for a while, but the string ran out finally.

Boston’s going to be a handful next year. The team that got within a game of the Finals, with Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward back on the floor? That team’s going to be a headache for everybody.

Better hope Kyrie doesn’t get spooked by having too much talent around that might lessen his chances to be the biggest star on the team. Kyrie is a strange dude.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:39:59am

re: #569 William Lewis

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Video

Still one of my favorite novels because the characters transcend nationality.

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stpaulbear  May 28, 2018 • 10:40:45am

re: #463 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I just had to rescue a peanut stealing Bluejay out of my squirrel feeder.

Bluejays are the most fun to watch at peanut-in-the-shell feeders. They pick them up one by one until they figure out which one is the heaviest, and then they take it away to store it or eat it, and then they just keep coming back until they’ve taken them all anyway.

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 10:41:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 10:42:12am
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MsJ  May 28, 2018 • 10:42:58am

re: #567 Backwoods_Sleuth

so, this happened last night and we all enjoyed it:

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Wow.

I think since he posted it online they can say Free Stuff For Us. I’d love to get this to a lawsuit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 10:43:11am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:43:42am

re: #574 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Your party has controlled Congress since 2010. You’ve had the WH since 2017. Stop blaming Democrats for your own fuck ups, you stupid pieces of shit.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:44:21am

re: #576 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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One is not like the other. I’m sure both Bushes would have similiar thoughts to Clinton and Obama.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:44:27am
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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 10:45:09am

re: #548 electrotek

Remembering Phil Hartman, who was shot and killed by his wife in a murder-suicide 20 years ago today. The world really lost a treasured soul that day and I don’t think he would envision the reality of Trump being POTUS today:

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Video

Heh, that SNL bit has Trump doing the street corner card game thing. They knew even then the cheap-ass con artist he was.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:47:09am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:48:45am

re: #581 Anymouse 🌹

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You can be a non vet and respectful towards veterans. See, Obama. Trump OTOH. And yeah they completely missed Jim’s point. The point is that Trump has never been into service. He’s only into himself and his daughter wife.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 10:49:16am

re: #554 The Vicious Babushka

barf

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I would think you would want to shove radioactive pinecones in Donny’s mouth. Why harm yourself because of him?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:51:04am

re: #575 MsJ

Wow.

I think since he posted it online they can say Free Stuff For Us. I’d love to get this to a lawsuit.

Concerning your tweet, the response might also be “no News Corporation property.” That covers anything FOX News, FOX Business, or any Rupert Murdoch-owned outlet like one of his newspapers as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:52:51am

re: #582 HappyWarrior

You can be a non vet and respectful towards veterans. See, Obama. Trump OTOH. And yeah they completely missed Jim’s point. The point is that Trump has never been into service. He’s only into himself and his daughter wife.

You can also be a veteran and be respectful toward non-veterans. Respect is a two-way street.

I don’t want someone to respect me because I’m a veteran. I want someone to respect me for how I treat them.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:53:47am

re: #585 Anymouse 🌹

You can also be a veteran and be respectful toward non-veterans. Respect is a two-way street.

I don’t want someone to respect me because I’m a veteran. I want someone to respect me for how I treat them.

Oh no doubt. I’m just speaking as a non-vet here.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:54:28am

re: #586 HappyWarrior

Oh no doubt. I’m just speaking as a non-vet here.

I don’t have a degree in Veterinary Medicine either, so we’re both good. /s

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 10:54:39am

re: #583 ObserverArt

I would think you would want to shove radioactive pinecones in Donny’s mouth. Why harm yourself because of him?

The pinecones (and worse) are coming out of #CrookedDonnie’s mouth!

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 10:55:22am

::: watching a “re-run” of Meghan and Harry’s Wedding :::
All the thought and planning that went into that wedding is something else.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:55:25am

re: #587 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t have a degree in Veterinary Medicine either, so we’re both good. /s

Ha!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:57:35am

It’s just about noon in Mythical Time zone. I need to go out and raise the flags in the village. BRB.

Half Staf
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electrotek  May 28, 2018 • 10:58:08am

Conservatives are dumb no matter what country:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:58:44am

In the 70s I tried to enlist twice in the Navy and was rejected at the physical. Army ROTC also rejected me in college for the same reason.

But at least I was willing to volunteer.

Meanwhile in the 70s Trump was volunteering for combat duty at Studio 54. I wonder how many times he had to have penicillin shots…

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 10:59:16am

re: #592 electrotek

Conservatives are dumb no matter what country:

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And I’m sure they think Aboriginals need to “get over” how they were treated too right?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 10:59:21am

Well, I got the wrong image up there. Fixed. It was supposed to be this one.

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wrenchwench  May 28, 2018 • 10:59:30am

re: #569 William Lewis

[All Quiet On The Western Front]

Video

We watched that in high school. It was a freshman class. The teacher was not a WWI vet, but I think his dad was.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:00:39am

re: #593 Joe Bacon 🌹

In the 70s I tried to enlist twice in the Navy and was rejected at the physical. ROTC also rejected me in college for the same reason.

But at least I was willing to volunteer.

Meanwhile in the 70s Trump was volunteering for combat duty at Studio 54. I wonder how many times he had to have penicillin shots…

My Dad’s oldest brother got declined by the Navy too. That’s something I had no idea about for a long time. Dad’s middle brother got drafted and served in Germany. His closest brother in age had Conscientious Objector status and Dad missed out being drafted due to his number.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 11:01:31am

re: #542 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember that Republican voters hated Bill Clinton for not serving in Vietnam. But at least Clinton never tried to sleeping around to Vietnam.

And how they treated kerry

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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 11:01:32am

re: #570 ObserverArt

Better hope Kyrie doesn’t get spooked by having too much talent around that might lessen his chances to be the biggest star on the team. Kyrie is a strange dude.

There seems to be a whole bunch of strange young players nowadays, no?

James Harden makes me laugh because he always looks like he’s thinking of something else, even in the middle of a game. He just always looks…distracted, like there’s a whole different conversation going on in his head.

It was pretty weird that Kyrie wasn’t even in the building last night. Dude, your team is one game from getting to the NBA Finals! You gotta show up and support.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:02:44am

re: #598 dangerman

And how they treated kerry

Yeah that was even worse since Kerry did serve. I’ll always remember that one Republican woman with the Purple Heart band aids. That was disgusting. You never saw mocking of McCain’s service at the DNC. In fact, I’d say Democrats have been more respectful of McCain’s service than his fellow Republicans.

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 11:04:01am

re: #600 HappyWarrior

So true.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:04:50am

Dad would always get depressed on Memorial Day and Veterans Day because he didn’t get drafted for combat. When the draft was restarted in 1940, Dad went before the draft board and because he was a specialized welder they said it was more important for him to work construction at a Navy base. Dad worked 6 years at the Charleston Navy Yards. He just felt that he didn’t do his fair share.

I reminded him that he was working 12 hour days repairing damaged submarines and ships that sent a nice little message to the guy with the funny little mustache…

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wrenchwench  May 28, 2018 • 11:05:56am

re: #593 Joe Bacon 🌹

In the 70s I tried to enlist twice in the Navy and was rejected at the physical. ROTC also rejected me in college for the same reason.

But at least I was willing to volunteer.

Meanwhile in the 70s Trump was volunteering for combat duty at Studio 54. I wonder how many times he had to have penicillin shots…

When Mr. w enlisted in the Navy in ‘58, the recruiter took him out to lunch, got him three malted milks and a bunch of bananas, and told him not to stand up so straight so he could make the minimum weight requirement. When they were looking for submarine guys (sorry, Bubblehead, I don’t know the right terminology) he stood up straight and was too tall. His hearing was great, so they wanted him, but he went to the supply department.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:06:02am

re: #601 PhillyPretzel

So true.

I didn’t plan to vote for McCain but the objections were policy. Likewise I respect the hell out of Bob Dole and H.W Bush’s service in WWII. HW wasn’t even 20 years old when he became the Navy’s youngest pilot. You can disagree with the man’s policies but he has from an early age always been about service to his country above all else, something the Ayn Rand fans in his party and ideology could learn a thing or two from.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 11:06:48am

First world issues-
You Are Probably Using the Wrong HDMI Cord

Well crap I am using some I should upgrade. Huh.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:08:03am

re: #602 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dad would always get depressed on Memorial Day and Veterans Day because he didn’t get drafted for combat. When the draft was restarted in 1940, Dad went before the draft board and because he was a specialized welder they said it was more important for him to work construction at a Navy base. Dad worked 6 years at the Charleston Navy Yards. He just felt that he didn’t do his fair share.

I reminded him that he was working 12 hour days repairing damaged submarines and ships that sent a nice little message to the guy with the funny little mustache…

I always wonder how my Dad’s father felt. Dad’s told us that he tried to sign up but they wouldn’t let him due to an injury he had and by the time the war started for the US, Dad’s Dad was 29 almost and already the father of two and had a federal job. I never knew him so I always wondered what branch he would have gone into. Him and his brother had much older first cousins that served in the Army during WWI. Everything worked out though. I may not be here if he had served and he did do his part.

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TedStriker  May 28, 2018 • 11:08:08am

re: #549 Anymouse 🌹

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:08:34am

re: #595 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I got the wrong image up there. Fixed. It was supposed to be this one.

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OMG!

The last line…name on the right…Tedesco…son of the calculus teacher in my high school who was killed in the war…his dad was so distraught he fell into a deep depression…

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 11:08:40am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

Yep I remember when I heard that about Mitt and it just disgusted me and it told me everything we should know about the kind of man Mitt Romney is.

Here. I saved you a space. Take mine.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:10:29am

Did you all know that in the CSA that if a person owned enough land or slaves, they could be exempt from the draft. I mean the Union had a similar hypocrisy I concede but man that really says it all about how those CSA aristocrats felt IMO.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 11:10:38am

re: #599 makeitstop

There seems to be a whole bunch of strange young players nowadays, no?

James Harden makes me laugh because he always looks like he’s thinking of something else, even in the middle of a game. He just always looks…distracted, like there’s a whole different conversation going on in his head.

It was pretty weird that Kyrie wasn’t even in the building last night. Dude, your team is one game from getting to the NBA Finals! You gotta show up and support.

I mentioned Kyrie not being there last night just after the game was over. Just saw a report on ESPN saying he had nasal surgery for a deviated septum…and his agent said he wasn’t allowed to fly due to that. They claim the injury came from a facial fracture he had earlier in the season.

But he is still weird. And yeah, a lot of the younger athletes in pro sports are different these days. I think all the back and forth on social media doesn’t help that along with all the money at a young age. Lots of pressure on them.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 11:10:44am

re: #566 Anymouse 🌹

What the GDPR will do is force corporations to come up with two standards (one for Europe and one for everyone else), or make them decide “it’s just easier to comply with the EU’s rules throughout the world.” If the latter, it benefits people in the USA and elsewhere through that knock-off effect.

It may also inspire other countries to adopt similar regulations.

California auto emissions stds

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 11:12:16am
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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 11:13:49am

re: #600 HappyWarrior

Yeah that was even worse since Kerry did serve. I’ll always remember that one Republican woman with the Purple Heart band aids. That was disgusting. You never saw mocking of McCain’s service at the DNC. In fact, I’d say Democrats have been more respectful of McCain’s service than his fellow Republicans.

I have that saved in my LGF image library. That still gets my blood boiling. That whole 2004 election still pisses me off. And I swear my voting precinct was one of the victims of Ken Blackwell’s heavy hands in Ohio voting.

That stupid arrogant grin on that woman’s face. Grrrrrr.

Purple Heart Band Aid
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:13:53am

re: #613 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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There are literally parts of the US where Spanish has been spoken longer than the existence of the 13 colonies.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 11:14:15am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:14:30am

re: #614 ObserverArt

I have that saved in my LGF image library. That still gets my blood boiling. That whole 2004 election still pisses me off. And I swear my voting precinct was one of the victims of Ken Blackwell’s heavy hands in Ohio voting.

That stupid arrogant grin on that woman’s face. Grrrrrr.

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That’s the face of a woman who doesn’t know hardship. The Republican activist behind that crap, Morton Blackwell is from my state.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 11:15:09am

BTW Evita is the one being groomed to take over for Daddy, not Uday.

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 11:15:15am

re: #612 dangerman

California auto emissions stds

And California has a similar proposition, if that fails then legislation. But all too like the EU nickel in jewelry restrictions and California’s prop 65 it’s going overbearing on the surface and uneven or irrational in the cogs of the enforcement machine.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 11:15:37am

re: #577 HappyWarrior

Your party has controlled Congress since 2010. You’ve had the WH since 2017. Stop blaming Democrats for your own fuck ups, you stupid pieces of shit.

This louder

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:15:41am

Donald Jr should know better. Trump’s a retrodgrade douche but he’s not going to follow the Romanov model of only letting a son inheirit. He’d give the keys ot Ivanka before Don Jr and I’d love to see the infighting between them when he does.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 11:15:50am

Daniel Goddard just followed me. Didn’t know who he is but Google tells me he was the “Beastmaster’ as well on the “Young and the Restless”

The Beastmaster Tv Series- Another punishment for Dars from Curupira

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 11:16:46am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

One is not like the other. I’m sure both Bushes would have similiar thoughts to Clinton and Obama.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:18:19am

re: #623 dangerman

That works too.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:19:56am

re: #602 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dad would always get depressed on Memorial Day and Veterans Day because he didn’t get drafted for combat. When the draft was restarted in 1940, Dad went before the draft board and because he was a specialized welder they said it was more important for him to work construction at a Navy base. Dad worked 6 years at the Charleston Navy Yards. He just felt that he didn’t do his fair share.

I reminded him that he was working 12 hour days repairing damaged submarines and ships that sent a nice little message to the guy with the funny little mustache…

That goes back to my statement above: The military cannot do its mission without the civilians who support it. The Navy doesn’t build its own ships. The overwhelming majority of the populace has never been in the military.

I get depressed on Memorial Day as well for obvious reasons. I don’t necessarily get upset about politicians making statements, but I do get angry with the ones who wrap themselves up in the flag and military paraphernalia while they try to screw active duty, reservists, and veterans (and their families).

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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 11:21:46am

Well it’s always fun to chat and get some things off the chest here. But beautiful weather calls and the mountain roads are clear.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:24:00am

re: #600 HappyWarrior

Yeah that was even worse since Kerry did serve. I’ll always remember that one Republican woman with the Purple Heart band aids. That was disgusting. You never saw mocking of McCain’s service at the DNC. In fact, I’d say Democrats have been more respectful of McCain’s service than his fellow Republicans.

And Max Cleland. His treatment at the hands of conservatives was unconscionable.

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sagehen  May 28, 2018 • 11:28:48am

re: #589 PhillyPretzel

::: watching a “re-run” of Meghan and Harry’s Wedding :::
All the thought and planning that went into that wedding is something else.

Without question, the blackest wedding in European royal history. The only thing that could have possibly made it any more African-American would be if they’d jumped a broom before the recessional.

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William Lewis  May 28, 2018 • 11:29:35am

re: #596 wrenchwench

We watched that in high school. It was a freshman class. The teacher was not a WWI vet, but I think his dad was.

My great uncle (my grandfathers older half brother) was a WWI vet. He drove US Army cassions for ammo supply during the war.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 11:30:26am

re: #614 ObserverArt

I have that saved in my LGF image library. That still gets my blood boiling. That whole 2004 election still pisses me off. And I swear my voting precinct was one of the victims of Ken Blackwell’s heavy hands in Ohio voting.

That stupid arrogant grin on that woman’s face. Grrrrrr.

[Embedded content]

As Wendell said above
Just move the needle to vote for our guy
Don’t need no justification or logic behind it

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Jay C  May 28, 2018 • 11:39:29am

re: #610 HappyWarrior

Did you all know that in the CSA that if a person owned enough land or slaves, they could be exempt from the draft. I mean the Union had a similar hypocrisy I concede but man that really says it all about how those CSA aristocrats felt IMO.

Yep: read a history once where it was pointed out that the Union and Confederacy’s attitudes towards draft exemptions perfectly encapsulated the two sections’ social structure and attitudes: in the South, exemption was based on land/slave ownership; in the North, it was a matter of cash ($300 IIRC)…


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