Donald Trump Uses Memorial Day as an Opportunity to Boast and Say How Much Fallen Soldiers Would Admire Him

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It’s no longer surprising to see this kind of offensive overbearing narcissism from our so-called president, but we should never stop being appalled at his utter lack of class. Today’s example: he uses Memorial Day as yet another opportunity to brag.

And this time, the craven coward who dodged the draft in Vietnam with phony “bone spurs” dares to speak for soldiers who died so that this disgusting egomaniac could be president. Nauseating.

Do I need to point out that Memorial Day isn’t supposed to be a “happy” occasion?

UPDATE at 5/28/18 11:26:11 am by Charles Johnson

Here’s what a real president sounds like on Memorial Day.

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309 comments

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:21:14am

He’s either jacking himself off or complaining that he’s not being jacked off. Jagoff in Chief.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 11:23:53am

Over in the good place…

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 11:26:32am
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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 11:26:42am
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Unshaken Defiance  May 28, 2018 • 11:27:22am

Not surprising a wealthy man that never served, has only been served, is not serving our men and women at arms well at all. Nor serving us well.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:28:07am

Hung out to dry on the last thread:

re: #600 HappyWarrior

Yeah that was even worse since Kerry did serve. I’ll always remember that one Republican woman with the Purple Heart band aids. That was disgusting. You never saw mocking of McCain’s service at the DNC. In fact, I’d say Democrats have been more respectful of McCain’s service than his fellow Republicans.

re: #627 Anymouse 🌹

And Max Cleland. His treatment at the hands of conservatives was unconscionable.

You know, it’s almost as if conservatives never cared about veterans. I can’t put my finger on why.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:29:47am

re: #4 JordanRules

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Dempsey is one of the good guys out there.

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 11:30:00am

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

You know, it’s almost as if conservatives never cared about veterans.

Only as a rhetorical device:

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 11:32:56am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:33:12am

re: #8 jaunte

Only as a rhetorical device:

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That’s some nice ownage. By the way Charlie, you’re still fairly a young guy, why haven’t you enlisted? You’re younger than me. Plenty of my friends have actually enlisted at our age. So it’s not too late for me and it’s definitely not to late for you. And yeah your entire job is complaining about how right wing assholes like you get treated on college campuses when they act like right wing assholes. Shut the fuck up, snowfake.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:33:54am

re: #9 jaunte

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I still think conservatives should really piss off us libs with a group castration. We hate that.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:34:17am

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

Hung out to dry on the last thread:

You know, it’s almost as if conservatives never cared about veterans. I can’t put my finger on why.

Yep I remember that as well. And Tammy Duckworth too.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 28, 2018 • 11:36:55am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 11:37:29am

You know what the biggest issue is with the Republican party? They have no experienced elders that are capable of putting some of the newer politicians in their place and to correct them when they start saying really stupid stuff.

And since even people like Jeff “Flake” Flake are quitting and others like Graham have sold out it is only going to get worse.

They need a good lesson in humbleness and reality. They need to get stomped at the polls. Not just defeated…stomped.

Everyone…get ready to do the stomp. It won’t be long.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:37:30am

re: #13 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Afternoon Lizardim.

Hi there! How’s life in the fast lane?

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 11:38:29am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 11:38:32am

This is the Dumbest Tweet You Will See All Day (in spoilers in case you want to avoid Dumbassness)

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:38:50am

Did you ever happen to notice that pretty much none of the new young right wing activists have ever served? I looked up Young Kirk. His entire existence in national politics is due to him complaining about how conservatives are treated and he made up some bs about how he always wanted to go to West Point but the position went to someone less qualifeid and then when he got called out on it, he claimed it was a joke but then again this is the same genius that posted a photo of women and claimed Trump ahd the most women in his cabinet of any President and only one of the women pictured- Nikki Haley was a cabinet level officer. Charlie’s what happens when FNC needs young people to prove that their ideology isn’t just for old farts dreaming about a past that never was.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 11:39:18am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:39:37am

re: #14 ObserverArt

You know what the biggest issue is with the Republican party? They have no experienced elders that are capable of putting some of the newer politicians in their place and to correct them when they start saying really stupid stuff.

And since even people like Jeff “Flake” Flake are quitting and others like Graham have sold out it is only going to get worse.

They need a good lesson in humbleness and reality. They need to get stomped at the polls. Not just defeated…stomped.

Everyone…get ready to do the stomp. It won’t be long.

I have no faith at all in the future generation of the Republican Party. They’re full with people like Kirk, Shapiro, Crowder, and others who are more ignorant than their elders.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 28, 2018 • 11:39:41am

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹

Hi there! How’s life in the fast lane?

Oh good! You didn’t get blown away by last night’s storms. Life is busy. Spent my morning disassembling the control unit for the climate control in Mrs. Fish’s daily driver. It had developed a bad solder joint on a power relay, causing the air conditioning to stop working - and considering that this week has seen record-breaking heat, it was important to finally get that fixed. This afternoon is a brief respite, then I’m tasked with cooking dinner while we go over to visit one of Mrs. Fish’s friends. Never a slow moment around here.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:40:03am

Today’s weather … yay.

Memorial Day
A 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms, mainly after 4pm. Some storms could be severe, with heavy rain. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 76. East southeast wind 10 to 15 mph.
Tonight
Showers and thunderstorms, mainly before 3am. Some storms could be severe, with heavy rain. Low around 53. East southeast wind 10 to 15 mph becoming south 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:41:11am

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

This is the Dumbest Tweet You Will See All Day (in spoilers in case you want to avoid Dumbassness)

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 11:41:58am
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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 11:42:52am
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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 11:43:57am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:45:17am

If you want to know why I get so angry when Republicans and right wingers try to claim we hate the military and troops, this is why.

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That’s my grandfather. I’m named after him. Grandpa didn’t begrudge anyone who didn’t serve in the military, in fact he told us he would have been happy to get conscientious objector status but what he hated was how people disregard the human cost of war and usually people they’re men like Trump who do that.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 11:45:32am

re: #22 Anymouse 🌹

Today’s weather … yay.

Memorial Day
A 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms, mainly after 4pm. Some storms could be severe, with heavy rain. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 76. East southeast wind 10 to 15 mph.
Tonight
Showers and thunderstorms, mainly before 3am. Some storms could be severe, with heavy rain. Low around 53. East southeast wind 10 to 15 mph becoming south 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

Trade you that 76° for our steamy 91° (Heading to 93°) that feels like 94°. We get the storms anyway…much sooner have them in cooler temps.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 11:47:00am
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:47:26am

Let’s look at what Trump does though. On Christmas, he tweets about how it’s “thanks to me!” you can say Merry Christmas again. Little to nothing about the meaning of the holiday for millions of Americans. And now on Memorial Day, it’s about how the fallen would love what he’s done. He’s a disgrace as is anyone who continues to enable this fucker.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 11:48:05am
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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 11:49:57am

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:51:08am

re: #31 JordanRules

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I hope to God that we don’t have a 9/11 tragedy in the Trump years. I mean I have a lot of problems with how the Bush administration handled that but the one thing they did do that I know the Trump administration would not to was to discourage hatred and hostility towards Muslims. Frum’s boss GWB correctly saw that not all Muslims should be blamed for 9/11.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 11:51:56am

re: #14 ObserverArt

You know what the biggest issue is with the Republican party? They have no experienced elders that are capable of putting some of the newer politicians in their place and to correct them when they start saying really stupid stuff.

And since even people like Jeff “Flake” Flake are quitting and others like Graham have sold out it is only going to get worse.

They need a good lesson in humbleness and reality. They need to get stomped at the polls. Not just defeated…stomped.

Everyone…get ready to do the stomp. It won’t be long.

YouTube

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 11:52:10am

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 11:56:32am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Let’s look at what Trump does though. On Christmas, he tweets about how it’s “thanks to me!” you can say Merry Christmas again. Little to nothing about the meaning of the holiday for millions of Americans. And now on Memorial Day, it’s about how the fallen would love what he’s done. He’s a disgrace as is anyone who continues to enable this fucker.

narcissistic sociopath

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:58:24am

I just came back from the village cemetery. The photo is part of it; standing in the cemetery, the number of little flags from the Civil War forward really makes you wish that more folk actually believed the Bible’s admonition against warfare. Isaiah 2:4

And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Memorial Day 2018 - Rose Hill Cemetery - Broadwater, Nebr.
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 11:58:34am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

The Republican Party must die.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 12:03:17pm
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Targetpractice  May 28, 2018 • 12:03:48pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

You know what the biggest issue is with the Republican party? They have no experienced elders that are capable of putting some of the newer politicians in their place and to correct them when they start saying really stupid stuff.

And since even people like Jeff “Flake” Flake are quitting and others like Graham have sold out it is only going to get worse.

The need a good lesson in humbleness and reality. They need to get stomped at the polls. Not just defeated…stomped.

Everyone…get ready to do the stomp. It won’t be long.

The elders that are still around are those who’ve sold their souls for campaigns donations in the neo-Guilded Age era of American politics. The moment the gavel came down on Citizens, the looting of America began in earnest. Gone were the days where the GOP had to step carefully around campaign finance laws so as to avoid uncomfortable questions from the FEC and an ethics committee, replaced instead with a period where any young yahoo who sucks enough rich dick can pool together the resources to challenge an elder incumbent. All you need is an obscenely wealthy sugar daddy (couAdelsongh) and you can be a spoiler in a GOP primary, either winning outright or making the margins thin enough that a “moderate” is suddenly reading aloud the juicier bits of A Modest Proposal. Combine that with the tidal wave of dark money going to scare the shit out of white folks and you get a toxic stew that produces the likes of Charlie Kirk and Paul Ryan, “Young Guns” who make the pilgrimage to Vegas to kiss the ring of a guy who makes Yoda look healthy and fit.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 12:04:43pm

re: #25 gocart mozart

Screw you, Bill Mitchell. You show disrespect to my entire family, just as conservatives did with Max Cleland, John Kerry, Tammy Duckworth, La David Johnson, &c ad nauseum

It really is projection with them, always.

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austin_blue  May 28, 2018 • 12:05:35pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

If you want to know why I get so angry when Republicans and right wingers try to claim we hate the military and troops, this is why.

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That’s my grandfather. I’m named after him. Grandpa didn’t begrudge anyone who didn’t serve in the military, in fact he told us he would have been happy to get conscientious objector status but what he hated was how people disregard the human cost of war and usually people they’re men like Trump who do that.

5th Armored Division, huh?

Combat chronicle

The division landed at Utah Beach on 24 July 1944 under the command of Major General Lunsford E. Oliver, and moved into combat on 2 August, driving south through Coutances, Avranches, and Vitré, and across the Mayenne River to seize the city of Le Mans, 8 August. Turning north, the division surrounded the Germans in Normandy by advancing, through Le Mêle-sur-Sarthe liberated on 11 August, to the edge of the city of Argentan on 12 August—8 days before the Argentan-Falaise Gap was closed.

Turning Argentan over to the 90th Infantry Division, the 5th Armored advanced 80 miles to capture the Eure River Line at Dreux on 16 August. Bitter fighting was encountered in clearing the Eure-Seine corridor, the second big trap in France. The 5th passed through Paris 30 August to spearhead V Corps drive through the Compiègne Forest, across the Oise, Aisne, and Somme Rivers, and reached the Belgian border at Condé, 2 September.

The division then turned east, advancing 100 miles in 8 hours, and crossed the Meuse at Charleville-Mézières, 4 September. Racing past Sedan, it liberated Luxembourg City on the 10th and deployed along the German border. The reconnaissance squadron of the division sent a patrol across the German border on the afternoon of 11 September to be the first of the Allies to cross the enemy frontier. On 14 September, the 5th penetrated the Siegfried Line at Wallendorf, remaining until the 20th, to draw off enemy reserves from Aachen.

In October it held defensive positions in the Monschau-Hofen sector. The division entered the Hurtgen Forest area in late November and pushed the enemy back to the banks of the Roer River in very heavy fighting. On 22 December it was withdrawn to Verviers and placed in 12th Army Group reserve.

Crossing the Roer on 25 February 1945 the 5th spearheaded the XIII Corps drive to the Rhine, crossing the Rhine at Wesel, 30 March. The Division reached the banks of the Elbe at Tangermunde, 12 April—45 miles from Berlin. On 16 April, the 5th moved to Klotze to wipe out the Von Clausewitz Panzer Division and again drove to the Elbe, this time in the vicinity of Dannenberg. The division mopped up in the Ninth Army sector until VE-day.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 12:06:09pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Republican Party must die.

GOP delenda est.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 12:09:54pm

Yay us.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 28, 2018 • 12:10:55pm

Too much Lee Greenwood in the FB feed today.

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 12:11:21pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

Keep an eye to the sky and be careful.

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meteor  May 28, 2018 • 12:14:47pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 12:18:56pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 28, 2018 • 12:19:24pm

I know I’m a day late, but I just wanted to bestow kudos upon Cheechako for the page on the dipshit Colorado “People’s Grand Jury” getting 30+ year sentences.

The larger point here is one that I made in a comment, and that I think may help buck up spirits around here: this is how the system functions when it is challenged.

The Sovereign Citizen nutjobs are basically Trump writ small. They deny any authority over them, and seek to denigrate, deny and degrade law enforcement and the legal system because they are delusional, toxic narcissists.

It took years, but in the end, those who thumbed their nose at the American system of Equal Justice Under The Law, found out that yes, actually, it DOES apply to them too.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 28, 2018 • 12:21:16pm

This scene will be repeated a lot, starting this fall, as freaks and fucktards like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort have the Feds come knocking …

Jerry Lundegaard getting arrested at the end of Fargo

I like to think that this is how it goes when they come for the Sovereign Citizens. One by one, they scream and flail, as justice arrives.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 12:25:21pm

re: #42 austin_blue

5th Armored Division, huh?

Combat chronicle

The division landed at Utah Beach on 24 July 1944 under the command of Major General Lunsford E. Oliver, and moved into combat on 2 August, driving south through Coutances, Avranches, and Vitré, and across the Mayenne River to seize the city of Le Mans, 8 August. Turning north, the division surrounded the Germans in Normandy by advancing, through Le Mêle-sur-Sarthe liberated on 11 August, to the edge of the city of Argentan on 12 August—8 days before the Argentan-Falaise Gap was closed.

Turning Argentan over to the 90th Infantry Division, the 5th Armored advanced 80 miles to capture the Eure River Line at Dreux on 16 August. Bitter fighting was encountered in clearing the Eure-Seine corridor, the second big trap in France. The 5th passed through Paris 30 August to spearhead V Corps drive through the Compiègne Forest, across the Oise, Aisne, and Somme Rivers, and reached the Belgian border at Condé, 2 September.

The division then turned east, advancing 100 miles in 8 hours, and crossed the Meuse at Charleville-Mézières, 4 September. Racing past Sedan, it liberated Luxembourg City on the 10th and deployed along the German border. The reconnaissance squadron of the division sent a patrol across the German border on the afternoon of 11 September to be the first of the Allies to cross the enemy frontier. On 14 September, the 5th penetrated the Siegfried Line at Wallendorf, remaining until the 20th, to draw off enemy reserves from Aachen.

In October it held defensive positions in the Monschau-Hofen sector. The division entered the Hurtgen Forest area in late November and pushed the enemy back to the banks of the Roer River in very heavy fighting. On 22 December it was withdrawn to Verviers and placed in 12th Army Group reserve.

Crossing the Roer on 25 February 1945 the 5th spearheaded the XIII Corps drive to the Rhine, crossing the Rhine at Wesel, 30 March. The Division reached the banks of the Elbe at Tangermunde, 12 April—45 miles from Berlin. On 16 April, the 5th moved to Klotze to wipe out the Von Clausewitz Panzer Division and again drove to the Elbe, this time in the vicinity of Dannenberg. The division mopped up in the Ninth Army sector until VE-day.

Can you find their Korea history? That’s when Grandpa was there. Thanks though. Had no idea about his unit history.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 12:26:36pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Now that’s a Bronx cheer to get behind!

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Dr Lizardo  May 28, 2018 • 12:29:40pm

re: #50 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I like to think that’s how it’s gonna look when Donnie Trump, Jr. gets arrested.

And to be honest, that’s probably not too far off. He’ll flail and scream.

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 12:35:30pm

In honor of my father (name covered for privacy), who risked his life many times for others, while never carrying a weapon. He is buried at Arlington.

During his service in the military, he was twice awarded the Legion of Merit, the nation’s second highest service medal; the Air Force Commendation Medal and National Service Defense Medal.

For his service in the Vietnam War, he received the Bronze Star Medal, the Vietnam Service Medal with five Campaign Stars, the Vietnam Cross of Gallantry with Palm, the Republic of Vietnam Service Medal and the Outstanding Unit Award with Valor Device and three Oak Leaf Clusters.

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William Lewis  May 28, 2018 • 12:39:34pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Can you find their Korea history? That’s when Grandpa was there. Thanks though. Had no idea about his unit history.

No full armor divisions were sent to Korea. Do you know the Battalion or Regiment he was with?

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 12:41:04pm

re: #55 William Lewis

No full armor divisions were sent to Korea. Do you know the Battalion or Regiment he was with?

Unfortunately no. I don’t have his records. All I know is he was in artillery if that helps. If I recall, he said he arrived not long after Seoul was retaken.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 12:55:48pm
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William Lewis  May 28, 2018 • 12:59:28pm

Not finding anything about FA units from 5AD assigned to Korea during the war. Sorry.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 1:00:22pm

re: #54 A Cranky One

In honor of my father (name covered for privacy), who risked his life many times for others, while never carrying a weapon. He is buried at Arlington.

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During his service in the military, he was twice awarded the Legion of Merit, the nation’s second highest service medal; the Air Force Commendation Medal and National Service Defense Medal.

For his service in the Vietnam War, he received the Bronze Star Medal, the Vietnam Service Medal with five Campaign Stars, the Vietnam Cross of Gallantry with Palm, the Republic of Vietnam Service Medal and the Outstanding Unit Award with Valor Device and three Oak Leaf Clusters.

My sincere condolences on your father’s loss.

In my father’s hometown was held a memorial service for those fallen in Vietnam.

masslive.com

I have never attended one of these as they didn’t start doing them until after the last time I was there in 1984.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:01:19pm

re: #58 William Lewis

Not finding anything about FA units from 5AD assigned to Korea during the war. Sorry.

All good, thanks.

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freetoken  May 28, 2018 • 1:04:22pm

Didn’t-quite-make-it-to-tropical Alberto is straddling the coast at Panama City:

radar.weather.gov

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Barefoot Grin  May 28, 2018 • 1:05:19pm

I was just watching a highlight reel of “Trump through the years” with Chris Matthews on MSNBC. He said in 2004, “I couldn’t believe it; with the swift-boaters and everything the Republicans are stripping away Kerry’s heroism and they’ve almost made Bush seem like the hero, and the Democrats won’t even respond.” I think he picked up some lessons there.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:07:29pm

re: #62 Barefoot Grin

I was just watching a highlight reel of “Trump through the years” with Chris Matthews on MSNBC. He said in 2004, “I couldn’t believe it; with the swift-boaters and everything the Republicans are stripping away Kerry’s heroism and they’ve almost made Bush seem like the hero, and the Democrats won’t even respond.” I think he picked up some lessons there.

The thing that has always angered me about the Swift Boat vets that attacked Kerry is many of them had in fact previously spoke highly of him as well as the men who served directly with Kerry being ignored. Kerry was and is a hero.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 1:08:54pm
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freetoken  May 28, 2018 • 1:09:25pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 1:09:53pm
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Dave In Austin  May 28, 2018 • 1:10:01pm
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:11:09pm

re: #67 Dave In Austin

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Rich Bill because your party is the one who has people who admire the former KGB man and who like Nazis. Fuck off and stutter on your fat ass.

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SteelPH  May 28, 2018 • 1:14:34pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Rich Bill because your party is the one who has people who admire the former KGB man and who like Nazis. Fuck off and stutter on your fat ass.

And let’s not forget Fox News fawning over Putin during the 2012 election and beyond.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:16:00pm

re: #69 SteelPH

And let’s not forget Fox News fawning over Putin during the 2012 election and beyond.

Yep. or the RR’s non-stop love. Mitchell can fuck off. He’s nothing but a two bit right wing shtihead who does nothing but suck at Trump’s fat orange teat.

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goddamnedfrank  May 28, 2018 • 1:17:59pm
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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 1:18:14pm

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

My sincere condolences on your father’s loss.

In my father’s hometown was held a memorial service for those fallen in Vietnam.

masslive.com

I have never attended one of these as they didn’t start doing them until after the last time I was there in 1984.

Thanks. My mom has only been to the grave twice, once during the funeral and the second time a few years ago when Mrs Cranky and I took her to visit the grave (and to see the headstone which wasn’t available at the time of the funeral). The photo was taken during that visit. My brother lives closer and has been to several of the events at Arlington. It’s difficult for my mom (she lives in Nashville) but my brother often visits and takes photos of both the grave and some of the events.

Oh and my dad would have absolutely detested Trump. My mom certainly does. ;-)

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:19:30pm

re: #72 A Cranky One

Thanks. My mom has only been to the grave twice, once during the funeral and the second time a few years ago when Mrs Cranky and I took her to visit the grave (and to see the headstone which wasn’t available at the time of the funeral). The photo was taken during that visit. My brother lives closer and has been to several of the events at Arlington. It’s difficult for my mom (she lives in Nashville) but my brother often visits and takes photos of both the grave and some of the events.

Oh and my dad would have absolutely detested Trump. My mom certainly does. ;-)

Your Dad was someone who put others before himself so it makes sense he would have. Sorry for your loss too. Your Dad sounds like he was a great guy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 1:27:10pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

The thing that has always angered me about the Swift Boat vets that attacked Kerry is many of them had in fact previously spoke highly of him as well as the men who served directly with Kerry being ignored. Kerry was and is a hero.

— — —

These claims caused tremendous controversy during the election, particularly because most of the organization’s members had not been in a place to assess Kerry, while most of the Vietnam veterans who had served with him supported Kerry’s version of events.

en.wikipedia.org

The whole thing was an Astroturf campaign to smear a combat veteran (because that’s what conservatives do):

SBVT characterized itself as a non-partisan group both in the legal sense and in spirit, yet several prominent individuals who assisted SBVT also have had close ties to the Republican Party. According to information released by the IRS on February 22, 2005, more than half of the group’s reported contributions came from just three sources, all prominent Texas Republican donors: Houston builder Bob J. Perry, a longtime supporter of George W. Bush, donated $4.45 million, Harold Simmons’ Contrans donated $3 million, and T. Boone Pickens, Jr. donated $2 million. Other major contributors included Bush fundraiser Carl Lindner ($300,000), Robert Lindner ($260,000), GOP contributor Aubrey McClendon ($250,000), George Matthews Jr. ($250,000), and Crow Holdings ($100,000).

(more on this not-for-profit “non-partisan” 527 group)

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 1:27:45pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Your Dad was someone who put others before himself so it makes sense he would have. Sorry for your loss too. Your Dad sounds like he was a great guy.

Appreciate it. Yes, he was. He was also heavily involved in trying to keep the fundamentalists from taking over the Air Force Academy. Sadly, after he retired they were far more successful. Glad he didn’t live to see that.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 1:29:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 1:29:12pm

re: #72 A Cranky One

Thanks. My mom has only been to the grave twice, once during the funeral and the second time a few years ago when Mrs Cranky and I took her to visit the grave (and to see the headstone which wasn’t available at the time of the funeral). The photo was taken during that visit. My brother lives closer and has been to several of the events at Arlington. It’s difficult for my mom (she lives in Nashville) but my brother often visits and takes photos of both the grave and some of the events.

Oh and my dad would have absolutely detested Trump. My mom certainly does. ;-)

I got the year wrong. The last time I was there was in 1991, when I was on recruiting duty in Massachusetts.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:29:57pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

en.wikipedia.org

The whole thing was an Astroturf campaign to smear a combat veteran (because that’s what conservatives do):

(more on this not-for-profit “non-partisan” 527 group

Yeah I remember reading that about T Boone Pickens when people were treating like him like he was one of the good guys during the Financial Crisis. Whole thing makes me angry all over again. That was the first presidential campaign I worked on.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:30:41pm

re: #76 gocart mozart

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The primaries are rigged! Which is why I’m running. Good to know Chelsea. This is why no one with a thinking brain takes you seriously as a political thinker.

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Barefoot Grin  May 28, 2018 • 1:31:32pm

I guess what I was getting at was that Trump saw how skillfully the Republicans can warp reality and how pathetic the Dems were at responding. All evidence I’ve seen shows that he’s absorbed those lessons and is very deliberately lying—not saying “demonstrable falsehoods.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 1:34:11pm

Howard County officials are searching for a man reported missing from Sunday’s devastating floods in historic Ellicott City.

Eddison Hermond, 39, of Severn was last seen at 5:20 p.m. Sunday near La Palapa restaurant on Main Street, according to Howard County police.

Hermond and others were holding a door at the restaurant to keep water out, Howard County police Chief Gary Gardner said. A woman approached seeking help with finding a missing cat, and Hermond and others went to a nearby parking lot to look.

“They saw him go under the water and not surface,” Gardner said.

The others made it back safely.

baltimoresun.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 1:34:13pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

The primaries are rigged! Which is why I’m running. Good to know Chelsea. This is why no one with a thinking brain takes you seriously as a political thinker.

When she loses, she then gets to use the same excuse that so many conservatives use when they lose: The election was fixed.

All of them are trying to undermine the fundamental tool of a democratic republic: the vote.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 1:35:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 1:36:40pm
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:36:41pm

re: #83 gocart mozart

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Ha!

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 1:41:10pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

The thing that has always angered me about the Swift Boat vets that attacked Kerry is many of them had in fact previously spoke highly of him as well as the men who served directly with Kerry being ignored. Kerry was and is a hero.

through the lens of “anything to get our guy elected” it makes perfect sense.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:43:36pm

re: #86 dangerman

through the lens of “anything to get our guy elected” it makes perfect sense.

Oh absolutely.

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Jay C  May 28, 2018 • 1:48:06pm

re: #62 Barefoot Grin

I was just watching a highlight reel of “Trump through the years” with Chris Matthews on MSNBC. He said in 2004, “I couldn’t believe it; with the swift-boaters and everything the Republicans are stripping away Kerry’s heroism and they’ve almost made Bush seem like the hero, and the Democrats won’t even respond.” I think he picked up some lessons there.

Well, IIRC, Kerry and the Democrats DID respond, and the national media pretty much tossed everything back on the MBF, and what-if’ed and whattabout’ed and gave the Swift Boat liars the benefit of the doubt on virtually everything (I recall some big hoo-ha about “Kerry’s hat” somehow “proving” that everything he said about his service in Vietnam was a lie: the most fearful bullshit, to be sure, but the SBVT were taken near-absolutely seriously, Kerry’s denial were lucky to get a mention).

I’ve always thought the Swiftboating of John Kerry was the last gasp of Vietnam-War politics: that Kerry became a prominent anti-war activist after his service (and specifically as a leader of anti-war veterans) was, I think, the main thing that sparked the big smear campaign against him: if he had been a pro-war cheerleader after Vietnam, he still might have gotten ratfucked by the GOP in ‘04, but I don’t think the charges would have had the same “righteous” outrage….

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 28, 2018 • 1:48:49pm

is that guy still president?

i thought vlad had recalled him for incompetence

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SteelPH  May 28, 2018 • 1:50:06pm

re: #89 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

is that guy still president?

i thought vlad had recalled him for incompetence

Incompetence is part of the reason Vlad installed him in the first place.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:55:07pm

re: #88 Jay C

Well, IIRC, Kerry and the Democrats DID respond, and the national media pretty much tossed everything back on the MBF, and what-if’ed and whattabout’ed and gave the Swift Boat liars the benefit of the doubt on virtually everything (I recall some big hoo-ha about “Kerry’s hat” somehow “proving” that everything he said about his service in Vietnam was a lie: the most fearful bullshit, to be sure, but the SBVT were taken near-absolutely seriously, Kerry’s denial were lucky to get a mention).

I’ve always thought the Swiftboating of John Kerry was the last gasp of Vietnam-War politics: that Kerry became a prominent anti-war activist after his service (and specifically as a leader of anti-war veterans) was, I think, the main thing that sparked the big smear campaign against him: if he had been a pro-war cheerleader after Vietnam, he still might have gotten ratfucked by the GOP in ‘04, but I don’t think the charges would have had the same “righteous” outrage….

I agree with your assessment of the events.

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Varek Raith  May 28, 2018 • 1:55:20pm

Heh.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 1:56:12pm

re: #92 Varek Raith

Heh.

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People who also lose their shit over funnily enough snowflakes being on their plastic cups at a coffee chain.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 1:57:07pm

Asserting you must prove something is untrue rather than something is true (a standard tactic of religious apologetics).

The Swift Boat challenge from Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens was his reported offer of $1 million to anyone who can disprove even a single charge made by the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth, formerly the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, during the Presidential election campaign.[1]

Pickens, who had given the group $3 million in funding during the campaign, issued the challenge on November 6, 2007 in Washington, D.C, while serving as chairman of a 40th anniversary gala for The American Spectator magazine.[1][2]
Wikisource has original text related to this article:
Senator John Kerry’s letter to T. Boone Pickens in acceptance of the Swift Boat challenge

On November 16, 2007 U.S. Senator John Kerry, whose military service was a target of the groups’s televised ads, book, and media releases and appearances, wrote a letter to Pickens accepting Pickens’ offer as reported. Kerry asked Mr. Pickens to donate the $1 million to the Paralyzed Veterans of America should he succeed in proving any of the charges untrue.

That same day, Pickens issued a response, saying he was “open” to Kerry’s suggestion but stated that the offer applied only to the group’s television ads. He additionally required Kerry to provide his Vietnam journal, his military records, specifically those for the years 1971-1978, and copies of all movies and tapes made during his service. Pickens’ letter also challenged Kerry to agree to donate $1 million to the Congressional Medal of Honor Foundation, if Kerry “cannot prove anything in the Swift Boat ads to be untrue.”

The idea of Barack Obama releasing his college transcripts is not a new conservative tactic.

Even if Kerry had somehow met T. Boone Pickens’s conditions, none of the members of SBVT ever released any of their journals or records either.

Other claims they made were straight-up lies, and many in the media reported them as such. For example, SBVT accused Mr. Kerry of not signing release forms for his military personnel and medical records (they’ve been banging that medical record drum for decades as well), even though he did do so, posted his records on his Website, and several media outlets reported on those records.

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Ace-o-aces  May 28, 2018 • 1:57:10pm

So close to self-awareness…

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MsJ  May 28, 2018 • 1:57:41pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

You know what the biggest issue is with the Republican party? They have no experienced elders that are capable of putting some of the newer politicians in their place and to correct them when they start saying really stupid stuff.

And since even people like Jeff “Flake” Flake are quitting and others like Graham have sold out it is only going to get worse.

They need a good lesson in humbleness and reality. They need to get stomped at the polls. Not just defeated…stomped.

Everyone…get ready to do the stomp. It won’t be long.

Sure they do. They’re just as batshit crazy as the young whippersnappers.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 2:01:47pm

Cleland is the first one I really remember seeing it. I’m sure it happened before him but I really remember it because of two things- Saxby Chambliss’s ad and Ann Coulter saying that Cleland’s clumsiness caused his paralysis. Both are people who haven’t served in combat roles. As I said earlier, I really think if anything the Democrats have been far more respectful of John McCain’s service than his fellow Republicans have been. I understand why McCain didn’t become a Democrat but he was way, way too willing to forgive the GOP for their attacks on him and furthermore, I was really disappointed that he didn’t defend Kerry after Kerry had defended him. From what I understand, it effected Kerry’s friendship with him.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:03:18pm

re: #95 Ace-o-aces

So close to self-awareness…

A few million more years of evolution … wait, they don’t “believe” in evolution (they treat it like a religion).

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 2:05:03pm

The sad thing though about the attacks on Kerry and the others’ service is that they did have support from conservative veterans. That’s part of how unfortunately these attacks are able to succeed. That’s why the Swift Boat ads worked.

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Charles Johnson  May 28, 2018 • 2:05:13pm

re: #95 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 2:06:16pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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It’s almost like they feel their best chance to win is by running in a Republican primary. But hey let’s act like the Dems are worse by pointing to what they were 150 years ago!

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 2:06:54pm

My oldest daughter fosters cats, usually pregnant moms, so it’s not unusual for her to have a litter of kittens at her house. She just sent me these photos of the current litter, who are about old enough to adopt. They were illuminated by sunlight through some stained glass.

My response to her: “Get out NOW!. They’re mutating!!1!”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:07:02pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Cleland is the first one I really remember seeing it. I’m sure it happened before him but I really remember it because of two things- Saxby Chambliss’s ad and Ann Coulter saying that Cleland’s clumsiness caused his paralysis. Both are people who haven’t served in combat roles. As I said earlier, I really think if anything the Democrats have been far more respectful of John McCain’s service than his fellow Republicans have been. I understand why McCain didn’t become a Democrat but he was way, way too willing to forgive the GOP for their attacks on him and furthermore, I was really disappointed that he didn’t defend Kerry after Kerry had defended him. From what I understand, it effected Kerry’s friendship with him.

McCain actually did condemn the television adverts. He also called on President Bush to condemn them. Bush would not, nor would his campaign. They offered a tepid “of course we would never question Senator Kerry’s service.” (They let Karl Rove and T. Boone Pickens do their dirty work for them.)

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Citizen K  May 28, 2018 • 2:07:22pm

re: #88 Jay C

Well, IIRC, Kerry and the Democrats DID respond, and the national media pretty much tossed everything back on the MBF, and what-if’ed and whattabout’ed and gave the Swift Boat liars the benefit of the doubt on virtually everything (I recall some big hoo-ha about “Kerry’s hat” somehow “proving” that everything he said about his service in Vietnam was a lie: the most fearful bullshit, to be sure, but the SBVT were taken near-absolutely seriously, Kerry’s denial were lucky to get a mention).

I’ve always thought the Swiftboating of John Kerry was the last gasp of Vietnam-War politics: that Kerry became a prominent anti-war activist after his service (and specifically as a leader of anti-war veterans) was, I think, the main thing that sparked the big smear campaign against him: if he had been a pro-war cheerleader after Vietnam, he still might have gotten ratfucked by the GOP in ‘04, but I don’t think the charges would have had the same “righteous” outrage….

And…welp…we see the same thing going on, except applied to just about everything: right-wing attacks treated with the utmost seriousness and credulity and given all the oxygen they need. Dem responses are so much likes spitting in the wind, and then the usual suspects wonder ‘Why don’t Dems respond? Maybe the allegations are true!!”. And the only time Dem responses do seem to peek through, it’s because it’s a negative response that hurts another Dem somehow (regardless of veracity).

There’s no way to win the game: they own the narrative, every time, from the outset, because they own all the fucking megaphones.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:08:10pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 2:09:50pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

McCain actually did condemn the television adverts. He also called on President Bush to condemn them. Bush would not, nor would his campaign. They offered a tepid “of course we would never question Senator Kerry’s service.” (They let Karl Rove and T. Boone Pickens do their dirty work for them.)

Oh okay. I didn’t remember that part. Thanks. Memory is faulty.

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 2:10:09pm

re: #102 A Cranky One

It is a pity I am allergic to cats because that one is so adorable.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:10:33pm

re: #104 Citizen K

And…welp…we see the same thing going on, except applied to just about everything: right-wing attacks treated with the utmost seriousness and credulity and given all the oxygen they need. Dem responses are so much likes spitting in the wind, and then the usual suspects wonder ‘Why don’t Dems respond? Maybe the allegations are true!!”. And the only time Dem responses do seem to peek through, it’s because it’s a negative response that hurts another Dem somehow (regardless of veracity).

There’s no way to win the game: they own the narrative, every time, from the outset, because they own all the fucking megaphones.

And despite the media, the Democrats have been doing pretty well in special elections up and down the ballot since 2016.

Most corporate-owned media has had a default setting of “Republican” all my life.

If they won’t fairly report, you go over, under, around, whatever it takes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 2:17:28pm

You gotta wonder what weird ass reality these folks exist in, where they thought this was going to work

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:19:26pm

Another deplorable the Twitterati need to report …

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 28, 2018 • 2:21:37pm

re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

You gotta wonder what weird ass reality these folks exist in, where they thought this was going to work

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Wow. I was expecting Florida again. What the fuck is wrong with people?

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 2:24:51pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

They drank too much of the MAGA Kool-aid.

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 2:24:59pm

re: #107 PhillyPretzel

It is a pity I am allergic to cats because that one is so adorable.

I’ve very allergic, which is actually a good thing, because Mrs. Cranky kept lobbying for that kitten as well as a second one (these two):

Also not sure the 5 dogs would have approved. ;-)

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 2:26:44pm
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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 2:37:04pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Why Do Racists Keep Popping Up Running In Republican Primaries?

there. that’s better.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:38:13pm

re: #64 gocart mozart

Freedom is never free. All citizens (not just the military) must be on guard for those who would subvert democracy with its own tools for authoritarian ends.

When religions are weak (such as the Baptists in the early Republic), they cry out for the protection of government from the depredations of the state and other religions.

But when they are strong (such as Baptists now), they no longer want equal protection. They want perfection.

And they will, as they always have, reach for the power of the State. In the instant one grabs it, it becomes the State, and loses any claim to holiness.

The best protection for any religious group from the depredations of the State is the separation of Church and State.

The Congressional Prayer Caucus would be howling to the rafters if it was the Roman Catholic Church installed as the state religion (or worse, Islam).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:40:14pm

re: #115 dangerman

there. that’s better.

Won’t stop the Republican Bullshit Machine from endlessly saying “Robert Byrd”!

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 2:40:16pm

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. I was expecting Florida again. What the fuck is wrong with people?

ha!
deal with it, left coasters!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:40:34pm

re: #112 PhillyPretzel

They drank too much of the MAGA Kool-aid.

Reality Free
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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 2:40:45pm
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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 2:43:59pm

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

Won’t stop the Republican Bullshit Machine from endlessly saying “Robert Byrd”!

true enough -though my point was that they werent (surprise surprise!) just ‘popping up’

though sticking with the premise of the article, when was the last time a ‘racist’ ran as a dem? (i have no idea myself)

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 2:46:32pm

re: #67 Dave In Austin

Tom Nichols ✔
@RadioFreeTom
I heard you clearly, the same way I can always very clearly hear the guy on the subway who yells about talking to God while urinating on himself.

3:34 PM - May 28, 2018

I am not a fan of Tom Nichols. And this is another example of why.

He should tell Mitchell he is not only wrong, but not needed in the Republican Party as that is what led to Trump.

He sure wouldn’t hesitate to call Democrats/progressives out for some of our crazier nuts in the party and often times labels them as reflective of the entire party.

Sorry Tom…you need to kick out the trash. Clean up your own home before looking for dirt in others. You guys own Trump.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 2:52:56pm

re: #121 dangerman

true enough -though my point was that they werent (surprise surprise!) just ‘popping up’

though sticking with the premise of the article, when was the last time a ‘racist’ ran as a dem? (i have no idea myself)

Woodrow Wilson?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:55:09pm

According to the weather almanac on my weather radio just now, we’re at 10+ inches of rain for the year. That’s four inches above normal (nearly 50%).

That helps keep the aquifer up, but doesn’t help keep us from being underwater (we are under flood and flash flood watches for this evening with the upcoming round of severe thunderstorms).

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 2:55:36pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Woodrow Wilson?

I think FDR was a racist IMO. But ran as a racist, yes it’s Wilson.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 2:56:24pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Woodrow Wilson?

By all accounts Johnson was a racist (or at least casually slung around racist phrases). He overcame his biases for the good of all.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 28, 2018 • 2:58:21pm

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

According to the weather almanac on my weather radio just now, we’re at 10+ inches of rain for the year. That’s four inches above normal (nearly 50%).

That helps keep the aquifer up, but doesn’t help keep us from being underwater (we are under flood and flash flood watches for this evening with the upcoming round of severe thunderstorms).

We’re getting rocked by a thunderstorm that slid up from the southwest right now. We actually aren’t in a desperate need of water right now; the water table is pretty high at the moment. I don’t know where the rivers are at.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 2:58:29pm

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

By all accounts Johnson was a racist (or at least casually slung around racist phrases). He overcame his biases for the good of all.

LBJ is tough to figure out IMO. He definitely would use racist language as you get at but he wasn’t a racist in how he governed. Reagan on the flip side I would be shocked if he ever used racist language he campaigned and governed as a racist IMO.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 3:00:05pm
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:00:13pm

That’s not to say I think LBJ using the n-word liberally was okay. It was NOT and I specifically know about my Dad’s father who was from the same generation as LBJ scolding his children when he got them using the word.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 3:00:23pm

re: #96 MsJ

Sure they do. They’re just as batshit crazy as the young whippersnappers.

Now yes. I was talking about the past when there were still some moderate Republicans. It was never this crazy in the past. And no, I have never been a Republican supporter. Once in awhile I’d vote for a decent one, but even that was probably in the late 80s.

I do believe there was a time that traditional Republican would never have allowed a Trump to get away with the crap he is doing, if they would even allow him to campaign the way he did for the president.

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 3:03:04pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

LBJ is tough to figure out IMO. He definitely would use racist language as you get at but he wasn’t a racist in how he governed. Reagan on the flip side I would be shocked if he ever used racist language he governed as a racist IMO.

Some of that is personality — LBJ was crude and Reagan smooth; some of it is the era — Johnson and Reagan were both raised inside the kind of implicit racism it’s hard for someone to identify in themselves until they make a major effort. See also Johnson’s sexism, environmental lack of awareness, etc etc. I grew up on “Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?” but I rate him more generously now.

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austin_blue  May 28, 2018 • 3:03:35pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

Can you find their Korea history? That’s when Grandpa was there. Thanks though. Had no idea about his unit history.

The 5th Armored Division was at Camp/Fort Chaffee after reactivation in 1950 until 1956 when it was deactivated again. During Korea, it served as a training unit and did not actively participate in Korea. If you gramps was in Korea, he was with another unit.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 3:04:20pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Where does he get these freakin’ ties BTW? I don’t have a tie that isn’t too short by the time it’s tied in a Windsor knot. (Which I have to reinvent for myself every time because it’s been so long since I last wore a tie.)

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:04:40pm

re: #132 petesh

Some of that is personality — LBJ was crude and Reagan smooth; some of it is the era — Johnson and Reagan were both raised inside the kind of implicit racism it’s hard for someone to identify in themselves until they make a major effort. See also Johnson’s sexism, environmental lack of awareness, etc etc. I grew up on “Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?” but I rate him more generously now.

Absolutely. Anyhow, I’m interested in seeing how LBJ is viewed once the Boomer historians are replaced. Not attacking your generation mind you but a lot of the popular conception of LBJ comes from opposition and I must stress rightful to how he handled Vietnam.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:05:43pm

re: #133 austin_blue

The 5th Armored Division was at Camp/Fort Chaffee after reactivation in 1950 until 1956 when it was deactivated again. During Korea, it served as a training unit and did not actively participate in Korea. If you gramps was in Korea, he was with another unit.

Thanks. I guess he got transferred to another unit at some point. BTW regarding Chaffee, that’s where the photo was taken. Seems his brother also did his basic there during WWII. But I don’t think any of his brothers went overseas. His brother in law, my grandmother’s brother did but that’s another story.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 3:07:22pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

That’s not to say I think LBJ using the n-word liberally was okay. It was NOT and I specifically know about my Dad’s father who was from the same generation as LBJ scolding his children when he got them using the word.

My wife was just in an apologetics argument on Discord with a Muslim who claimed to be from Pakistan. Fair enough, as there are lots of Muslims in Pakistan; no particular reason to dispute that.

After over an hour going back and forth, said Pakistani stated that “an atheist ‘denying God’ is proof you are a ni*CLANG.”

Islam has a few different words for “unbeliever,” but that one isn’t one of them. She just pointed out “and that’s why I’m not religious” and left that conversation.

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Jay C  May 28, 2018 • 3:08:21pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

LBJ is tough to figure out IMO. He definitely would use racist language as you get at but he wasn’t a racist in how he governed. Reagan on the flip side I would be shocked if he ever used racist language he campaigned and governed as a racist IMO.

To say the least.
Lyndon Baines Johnson was first and foremost dedicated (lifelong) to accumulating power in the advancement of the career of Lyndon Baines Johnson, and did so in no small part by trying to be everything to everybody. He would stress his “Southern” roots, and crack n——— jokes with Southern Senators all day, and then, just as earnestly, talk to black Civil Rights leaders and convince them he was working diligently on their behalf. Often on the same day: and usually, just as sincerely. Or insincerely - neither his contemporaries nor historians have ever been able to figure which LBJ was which.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:08:26pm

re: #137 Anymouse 🌹

My wife was just in an apologetics argument on Discord with a Muslim who claimed to be from Pakistan. Fair enough, as there are lots of Muslims in Pakistan; no particular reason to dispute that.

After over an hour going back and forth, said Pakistani stated that “an atheist ‘denying God’ is proof you are a ni*CLANG.”

Islam has a few different words for “unbeliever,” but that one isn’t one of them. She just pointed out “and that’s why I’m not religious” and left that conversation.

Well being a stupid bigot can transcend nationality but yep. What a weird thing to say though.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 3:09:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 3:09:34pm

re: #134 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Where does he get these freakin’ ties BTW? I don’t have a tie that isn’t too short by the time it’s tied in a Windsor knot. (Which I have to reinvent for myself every time because it’s been so long since I last wore a tie.)

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 3:10:05pm

BTW, did you all see this Kevin Drum post? (I’ve been away)
motherjones.com
He took the latest ranking of Presidents by professional historians, and normalized it so that Lincoln (top) = 100, while W Harrison = 0. Therefore, Buchanan is –4 and naturally Trump brings up the rear at –9.

Some of the other positions surprise me, but I like Drum’s methodology, though it places Trump rather too close to the rest for my taste.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 3:10:22pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 3:10:23pm

re: #132 petesh

Some of that is personality — LBJ was crude and Reagan smooth; some of it is the era — Johnson and Reagan were both raised inside the kind of implicit racism it’s hard for someone to identify in themselves until they make a major effort. See also Johnson’s sexism, environmental lack of awareness, etc etc. I grew up on “Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?” but I rate him more generously now.

My mother was from Texas (b. 1913) and she was guilty of using some unfortunate terminology—it’s just what people were raised on. She and my dad were both fanatical New-Deal Democrats, and my mom at least became more and more liberal as she got older. As an example, she was all for Jesse Jackson when he was running for President. So you can’t always go by the vocabulary people picked up when they were young a century ago.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 3:11:40pm
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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 3:12:47pm

re: #127 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We’re getting rocked by a thunderstorm that slid up from the southwest right now. We actually aren’t in a desperate need of water right now; the water table is pretty high at the moment. I don’t know where the rivers are at.

Too much water in Ohio too. We had flash flooding last week. If as expected we get some of the rain from the less than tropical storm coming up from the south on Wednesday, we will have even more flooding, probably in more areas.

Gonna be a hell of a mosquito season with this heat and weather.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:12:50pm

re: #138 Jay C

To say the least.
Lyndon Baines Johnson was first and foremost dedicated (lifelong) to accumulating power in the advancement of the career of Lyndon Baines Johnson, and did so in no small part by trying to be everything to everybody. He would stress his “Southern” roots, and crack n——— jokes with Southern Senators all day, and then, just as earnestly, talk to black Civil Rights leaders and convince them he was working diligently on their behalf. Often on the same day: and usually, just as sincerely. Or insincerely - neither his contemporaries nor historians have ever been able to figure which LBJ was which.

It really is tough for me to say. Personally, I think he was some of both. I think he definitely had Southern prejudices like many men and women of his generation. But I also think he was horrified by the consequences of the state sanctioned racism that existed under Jim Crow too. To use another President with a similar background and arguably personality, what made Truman into a supporter of desegregating the military was reading about black WWII vets being lynched upon returning home from WWII. I do think LBJ was a bit more cordial individually with African-Americans than Truman would have been though. Reagan is equally interesting. I haven’t studied him as much but my understanding is that Reagan’s father was deeply bothered by racism and he passed that on to his son. So maybe Ronnie would take issue at actual racial language but he would think nothing about using opposition to civil rights to further his own agenda and legitimacy as a politician. IMO I find someone like Reagan worse than LBJ or Truman because I believe actions define you ultimately.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:13:33pm

re: #140 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:15:43pm

re: #144 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

My mother was from Texas (b. 1913) and she was guilty of using some unfortunate terminology—it’s just what people were raised on. She and my dad were both fanatical New-Deal Democrats, and my mom at least became more and more liberal as she got older. As an example, she was all for Jesse Jackson when he was running for President. So you can’t always go by the vocabulary people picked up when they were young a century ago.

My mom’s mother is interesting. She definitely had/has some prejudices against African Americans but she has told us about her horror witnessing Jim Crow first hand when she first moved to Virginia. She also did not like President Obama at first but she came around on him by the midterm of his first term.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:17:28pm

Personally of modern Republican presidents, I think Ford by far was the most racially enlightened.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 3:18:00pm

re: #138 Jay C

To say the least.
Lyndon Baines Johnson was first and foremost dedicated (lifelong) to accumulating power in the advancement of the career of Lyndon Baines Johnson, and did so in no small part by trying to be everything to everybody. He would stress his “Southern” roots, and crack n——— jokes with Southern Senators all day, and then, just as earnestly, talk to black Civil Rights leaders and convince them he was working diligently on their behalf. Often on the same day: and usually, just as sincerely. Or insincerely - neither his contemporaries nor historians have ever been able to figure which LBJ was which.

Ah…in the books that would be written as “a complex man” that still had a deep love for his country.

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 3:18:27pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Personally of modern Republican presidents, I think Ford by far was the most racially enlightened.

Due no doubt to all that playing football without a proper helmet. ///

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 3:18:35pm

re: #146 ObserverArt

Too much water in Ohio too. We had flash flooding last week. If as expected we get some of the rain from the less than tropical storm coming up from the south on Wednesday, we will have even more flooding, probably in more areas.

Gonna be a hell of a mosquito season with this heat and weather.

For the first time since I moved here, the village board hired a pest control company to spray for mosquitoes. If the wet continues, we’re not looking forward to summer.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:20:29pm

re: #152 petesh

Due no doubt to all that playing football without a proper helmet. ///

You jest I know but there may be some truth to that. Ford as a former college football player probably had more contact with African-Americans as peers than most white men of his generation. I think that also may be why Jack Kemp was more sympathetic than most Republicans to issues important to the African-American community. That’s not to say I agreed with either man on the issues for the most part but I think they had an understanding that few Republicans now or then did on those issues.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 3:20:37pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

My mom’s mother is interesting. She definitely had/has some prejudices against African Americans but she has told us about her horror witnessing Jim Crow first hand when she first moved to Virginia. She also did not like President Obama at first but she came around on him by the midterm of his first term.

My mother was stationed in Virginia, she related to my sister and me the same about her experience there. She moved us out of Maryland over segregated schools (though segregation de jure had ended, St. Mary’s County was still engaged in it).

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teleskiguy  May 28, 2018 • 3:21:55pm

Was at Red Rocks for some ear candy last night. Was super excited to see Spafford, a rock band from Arizona that I’ve been hearing nothing but good things about. They did not disappoint.

This was the main event:

If you’re at all curious and/or just want to bob your head for hours on end, the whole show is on YouTube. At about the 32 minute mark you will recognize “Korobeiniki,” otherwise known as the Tetris Theme music.

The Disco Biscuits - 05/27/2018 - Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Morrison, CO

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:22:51pm

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

My mother was stationed in Virginia, she related to my sister and me the same about her experience there. She moved us out of Maryland over segregated schools (though segregation de jure had ended, St. Mary’s County was still engaged in it).

Fortunately by the time that my Dad’s parents decided to enroll Dad in public school(He had previously been in Catholic school but because he was a hellraiser, he became the only one to go to public school), schools were integrated here but not by much. When Dad’s parents downsized though, Dad had much more African-American classmates and even worked with a few of them. I credit a lot of Dad’s enlightened racial attitudes compared with many men of his generation and education level due to the fact that he’s worked with people from all over the place. He’s talked a lot about an Iranian supervisor that helped him actually become a better father since this man had older kids than my brother and I at the time and al ot of wisdom to impart.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 28, 2018 • 3:22:58pm

So, the other day when I mentioned being left to my own devices, here are some of those devices….

Although, really, the only one of these I worked on is the center one of the top row.

These are all Elgin keywinders. The 5 gilt-finished ones are from before Elgin took the name ‘Elgin’, when they called themselves ‘National Watch Company’. The oldest is 149 years old, and the newest 140. Oh, yeah - and they all run and keep reasonable time. But of course, with watches that age, it’s like the dancing bear - it’s not how well the bear dances, but that it dances at all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 3:24:02pm

I guess it wasn’t his collection of white nationalist friends that led to his CoS quitting last week

Last week

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:25:00pm

re: #159 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I guess it wasn’t his collection of white nationalist friends that led to his CoS quitting last week

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Not quite sure where his district is but it’s definitely one I think that will be more competitive now.

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 3:27:11pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

You jest I know but there may be some truth to that. Ford as a former college football player probably had more contact with African-Americans as peers than most white men of his generation. I think that also may be why Jack Kemp was more sympathetic than most Republicans to issues important to the African-American community. That’s not to say I agreed with either man on the issues for the most part but I think they had an understanding that few Republicans now or then did on those issues.

I was joking, and also kinda thought of what you say, which turns out to be true, according to wikipedia (condescended? well, maybe), my bold:

During Ford’s senior year, a controversy developed when Georgia Tech said that it would not play a scheduled game with Michigan if a black player named Willis Ward took the field. Students, players, and alumni protested, but university officials condescended to the Georgia Tech request and opted to keep Ward out of the game. Ford was Ward’s best friend on the team and they roomed together while on road trips. Ford reportedly threatened to quit the team in response to the university’s decision, but he eventually agreed to play against Georgia Tech when Ward personally asked him to play.

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 3:28:58pm

re: #143 gocart mozart

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Ace-o-aces  May 28, 2018 • 3:29:33pm

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

A few million more years of evolution … wait, they don’t “believe” in evolution (they treat it like a religion).

The Forward isn’t a right-wing publication, it’s more like…imagine a paper staffed entirely by Bari Weiss.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 3:30:26pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Woodrow Wilson?

so….woodrow wilson, 1913

and all these republicans “popping up” more than 100 years later

both parties my ass

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:30:34pm

re: #161 petesh

I was joking, and also kinda thought of what you say, which turns out to be true, according to wikipedia (condescended? well, maybe), my bold:

Ha I know. But good for Ford seriously. We can debate the merits of pardoning Nixon but I really think Ford was a decent man. I also have a lot of respect for how he let Betty be his equal and speak her mind about issues she found important i.e. Betty’s strong support for ERA which he shared. The GOP would have gone in a lot better direction if Jerry’s forces and not Reagan’s had prevailed.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 3:30:38pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 28, 2018 • 3:31:19pm

re: #163 Ace-o-aces

The Forward isn’t a right-wing publication, it’s more like…imagine a paper staffed entirely by Bari Weiss.

I initially read that as ‘imagine a paper stuffed entirely by Bari Weiss’.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:31:22pm

re: #166 gocart mozart

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 28, 2018 • 3:31:38pm

re: #166 gocart mozart

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sagehen  May 28, 2018 • 3:32:25pm

re: #121 dangerman

true enough -though my point was that they werent (surprise surprise!) just ‘popping up’

though sticking with the premise of the article, when was the last time a ‘racist’ ran as a dem? (i have no idea myself)

Dude, seriously.

George Wallace.

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meteor  May 28, 2018 • 3:32:34pm
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Ace-o-aces  May 28, 2018 • 3:32:35pm

re: #134 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Where does he get these freakin’ ties BTW? I don’t have a tie that isn’t too short by the time it’s tied in a Windsor knot. (Which I have to reinvent for myself every time because it’s been so long since I last wore a tie.)

They’re normal ties, just tied in a way that makes them hang low.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:32:54pm

re: #170 sagehen

Dude, seriously.

George Wallace.

I think DM was strictly talking presidential nominees judging how the conversation went.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 28, 2018 • 3:33:26pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Not quite sure where his district is but it’s definitely one I think that will be more competitive now.

A whole lot of space between I-95 & I-81 including Charlottesville
Virginia’s 5th

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JordanRules  May 28, 2018 • 3:34:20pm
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:34:36pm

re: #174 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A whole lot of space between I-95 & I-81 including Charlottesville
Virginia’s 5th

Ah that district is definitely winnable with the right candidate. I campaigned for Tom Perriello who used to represent it when he ran for Governor. It won’t be easy but if you get out the college kids in UVA, you’ve got a fighting chance.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 28, 2018 • 3:35:12pm

re: #159 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I guess it wasn’t his collection of white nationalist friends that led to his CoS quitting last week

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 3:35:57pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

It is interesting reading about your father and how he grappled with those problems.

That’s part of that whole “reaching for perfection” thing. No one ever attains it; the ideal is to pass along to children what they learned.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 3:36:32pm

re: #170 sagehen

Dude, seriously.

George Wallace.

right - thanks for the reminder

so i adjust my calculation above to a mere 58 years.

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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 3:36:32pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Not often I say this so if LH or any other Lizard Yankee fan is here, “Good for the Yankees fans.”

That’s a pretty big deal. In the days after 9/11, Rudy practically lived at Yankee Stadium.

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Skip Intro  May 28, 2018 • 3:37:37pm

re: #180 makeitstop

That’s a pretty big deal. In the days after 9/11, Rudy practically lived at Yankee Stadium.

Rudy’s worked really hard to earn those boos.

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 3:38:43pm

re: #181 Skip Intro

Rudy’s worked really hard to earn the booos.

And right now, he’s working hard to get indicted for obstruction.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 28, 2018 • 3:39:22pm

re: #172 Ace-o-aces

They’re normal ties, just tied in a way that makes them hang low.

No, they’re extra long, I’m pretty sure. Even a Four-In-Hand doesn’t leave that much.

BTW, the trick with Windsors is to start with what seems like a whole hell of a lot too much on the fat side, and way too little on the skinny side. You should think you’re WAY OFF, and you’ll get it right.

Every time I do this - every 5-10 years - it amazes me, but it’s true.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:39:52pm

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹

It is interesting reading about your father and how he grappled with those problems.

That’s part of that whole “reaching for perfection” thing. No one ever attains it; the ideal is to pass along to children what they learned.

We learn from our parents and they learn from us. My Dad’s no saint but I’m really proud of him for trying to treat everyone fairly regardless of background and not being afraid to call out people who don’t think that way. It’s pretty crazy and I think it says a lot about my parents that they don’t really consider that my niece is half Hispanic and that my brother’s best man and the godfather of his daughter is African-American. I think Dad was lucky to leave parochial school because I think it really opened him up to some new experiences that he never would have had otherwise. What’s funny though is he’s the only one of the six sibs not to graduate Catholic HS but he’s also the only one to not divorced.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:40:58pm

re: #180 makeitstop

That’s a pretty big deal. In the days after 9/11, Rudy practically lived at Yankee Stadium.

I know. And Rudy is probably one of the team’s most famous fans. BTW do we know if Trump is a Yankees or a Mets fan? Never heard him talk baseball. I know he likes NE in football but I think he’s just a jocksniffer.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:41:29pm

re: #181 Skip Intro

Rudy’s worked really hard to earn those boos.

Ha indeed he has.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 3:41:31pm

re: #170 sagehen

Dude, seriously.

George Wallace.

Wallace lost the Democratic primaries in 1964, 1972, and 1976. He then led the racist Democrats out of the party for his “Dixiecrat” movement in 1968, which was then absorbed by the Republicans under Nixon.

He also repudiated his previous racist and segregationist positions, and appointed a huge number of African-Americans to positions in the Alabama government.

In 1979, Wallace said of his stand in the schoolhouse door: “I was wrong. Those days are over, and they ought to be over.” He publicly asked for forgiveness from African Americans [from Wikipedia]

His funeral was attended by a great number of African-Americans in acknowledgement of his repudiation of his prior positions on race and segregation.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:43:45pm

It always amuses me that Republicans will bring up Robert Byrd when they want to claim the Dems are the real racist party and I can’t justify Byrd’s past but you can’t attack the Dems for Byrd when A) he apologized profusely for his past and B) your party had Jesse Helms as recently as 1993 bragging about how he’d make an African-American colleague (Carol Moseley Braun) cry by whistling Dixie to her. I so wish Helms could have lived to see Obama elected. It would have allowed to see everything he fought for as a politician defeated,

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 3:43:54pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Cleland is the first one I really remember seeing it. I’m sure it happened before him but I really remember it because of two things- Saxby Chambliss’s ad and Ann Coulter saying that Cleland’s clumsiness caused his paralysis. Both are people who haven’t served in combat roles. As I said earlier, I really think if anything the Democrats have been far more respectful of John McCain’s service than his fellow Republicans have been. I understand why McCain didn’t become a Democrat but he was way, way too willing to forgive the GOP for their attacks on him and furthermore, I was really disappointed that he didn’t defend Kerry after Kerry had defended him. From what I understand, it effected Kerry’s friendship with him.

Happy, I still seethe remembering how Tricky Dick slimed McGovern.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:45:28pm

re: #190 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, I still seethe remembering how Tricky Dick slimed McGovern.

McGovern was probably one of the most heroic people ever nominated by a major party. Never did get around to reading Stephen E. Ambrose’s book on him when I was in my Ambrose WWII reading phase but I know the details. McGovern was a patriotic man who knew the horrors of war far more than Nixon did.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 3:48:45pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

It always amuses me that Republicans will bring up Robert Byrd when they want to claim the Dems are the real racist party and I can’t justify Byrd’s past but you can’t attack the Dems for Byrd when A) he apologized profusely for his past and B) your party had Jesse Helms as recently as 1993 bragging about how he’d make an African-American colleague (Carol Moseley Braun) cry by whistling Dixie to her. I so wish Helms could have lived to see Obama elected. It would have allowed to see everything he fought for as a politician defeated,

democrats: b. obama. H. clinton
republicans: ??

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teleskiguy  May 28, 2018 • 3:48:50pm

re: #156 teleskiguy

Dude below me of 28 and I got in a little chat at set break about music and whatnot, and I made a jab about Fuckface Von Clownstick and he told me “you do know voting doesn’t matter.” “Yes it does.” “No it doesn’t, the whole system is corrupt.”

“We’re done here. Have a nice night,” was what I said to him.

His girlfriend now follows me on Twitter. It’s padlocked so I can’t post the tweet here, but she tweeted this morning

Met my hero tonight @teleskiguy

I sure as hell don’t wear a cape. *snark*

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 3:48:57pm

re: #140 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:50:24pm

re: #192 dangerman

democrats: b. obama. H. clinton
republicans: ??

I remember when the R’s made a big deal about Mia Love and I was just laughing because the Dems had an African-American woman presidential candidate in Shirley Chisholm from before Mia was even born but we’re supposed to believe that they’re acutally the racially enlightened party because of what Lincoln was even though Lincoln is detested by many rank and file Republicans especially down South.

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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 3:50:34pm

re: #190 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, I still seethe remembering how Tricky Dick slimed McGovern.

With the help of Roger Stone, incidentally.

That son of a bitch literally has decades of ratfucking to atone for.

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wheat-dogg  May 28, 2018 • 3:51:44pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

I sure as hell don’t wear a cape. *snark*

Good thing. They get caught in doors a lot, with sometimes fatal consequences.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:52:29pm

re: #196 makeitstop

With the help of Roger Stone, incidentally.

That son of a bitch literally has decades of ratfucking to atone for.

And yet he acts like he’s not part of the establishment. I have no problem with having HRC defined as Washington establishment but Trump’s campaign was what I saw one person call astroturf politics.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 3:52:40pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

I remember when the R’s made a big deal about Mia Love and I was just laughing because the Dems had an African-American woman presidential candidate in Shirley Chisholm from before Mia was even born but we’re supposed to believe that they’re acutally the racially enlightened party because of what Lincoln was even though Lincoln is detested by many rank and file Republicans especially down South.

you’re right
that’s the second one i missed in this thread
my memory is fried

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 3:53:40pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

Dude below me of 28 and I got in a little chat at set break about music and whatnot, and I made a jab about Fuckface Von Clownstick and he told me “you do know voting doesn’t matter.” “Yes it does.” “No it doesn’t, the whole system is corrupt.”

“We’re done here. Have a nice night,” was what I said to him.

His girlfriend now follows me on Twitter. It’s padlocked so I can’t post the tweet here, but she tweeted this morning

I sure as hell don’t wear a cape. *snark*

YouTube

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 3:54:14pm

re: #194 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why not reopen Alcatraz for him and his family?

In honor of that thought and the 20th anniversary of Phil Hartman’s death:

Alcatraz Through Vicky’s Eyes - So I Married an Axe Murderer (4/8) Movie CLIP (1993) HD

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 3:54:25pm

re: #163 Ace-o-aces

The Forward isn’t a right-wing publication, it’s more like…imagine a paper staffed entirely by Bari Weiss.

The Forward is a publication that calls itself “Jewish” but specializes in bacon recipes.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:55:17pm

re: #199 dangerman

you’re right
that’s the second one i missed in this thread
my memory is fried

And Jesse Jackson, Carol Moseley-Braun, Al Sharpton. The Republicans are more white than mayo.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:55:50pm

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

The Forward is a publication that calls itself “Jewish” but specializes in bacon recipes.

That sounds like an Irish publication specializing in haggis recipes.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 3:56:36pm

re: #201 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

In honor of that thought and the 20th anniversary of Phil Hartman’s death:

[Embedded content]

Thanks for posting Phil clips. I loved him so much on the Simpsons. I wish we could still have Lionel Hutz in the age of Trump because you know they’d have some fun with that.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 28, 2018 • 3:56:39pm

re: #172 Ace-o-aces

They’re normal ties, just tied in a way that makes them hang low.

Now I can’t get that song out of my head.

Does your tie* hang low
Does is wobble to and fro
Can you tie it in a knot
Can you tie it in a bow
Can you throw it over your shoulder
Like a continental soldier
Does you tie hang low!

*I’m thinking of another word.

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CleverToad  May 28, 2018 • 3:57:12pm

Will have to go back and catch up the thread if my router stays on, but here to report a MAJOR thunderclap just rocked the house. I’m currently looking at drifts of hail on my lawn and on the street (southeast metro Denver). Mostly pea-sized, a few up to marble-size, but lots and lots of those nasty little white iceballs. So much for my mom’s lovely peonies that burst into bloom yesterday, and all my iris and columbines. *sniff*

Has been doing this for about 15 minutes straight now, just hoping it stops soon. And here we just had solar panels installed and turned on barely a month ago — will have to call insurance tomorrow to inspect the roof for damage.

On the other hand, it’s not a tornado and we’re at no risk of flooding and we’re nowhere near a lava flow, so it could be worse. Stay safe, all you lizards in the storm paths.

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 3:58:30pm

Heh. Saw this and immediately thought of Anymouse.

Dial Telephones: “How to Use the Dial Phone” 1927 AT&T

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Skip Intro  May 28, 2018 • 3:59:48pm

re: #208 A Cranky One

I recently played an iPad game that required you to use a rotary dial telephone. They had a tutorial.

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teleskiguy  May 28, 2018 • 4:00:08pm

re: #207 CleverToad

It’s not even June yet. That’s usually when storms like that ramp up in those parts.

*sigh*

Hope for the best, CleverToad. Meanwhile I look out my window, blue skies, light breeze, just 140 miles to the west.

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 4:01:25pm

re: #208 A Cranky One

Heh. Saw this and immediately thought of Anymouse.

[Embedded content]

Video

Everything was revolutionary once. I’ve shown my youngest brother’s friends examples of what cutting edge games were when I was a pre-teen.

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 4:03:01pm

Speaking of phones:

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 4:04:11pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

Everything was revolutionary once. I’ve shown my youngest brother’s friends examples of what cutting edge games were when I was a pre-teen.

Paper cuts from Monopoly money? Oh wait, not that cutting edge….

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 4:05:54pm

re: #213 A Cranky One

Paper cuts from Monopoly money? Oh wait, not that cutting edge….

Ha!

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 4:06:16pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

And Jesse Jackson, Carol Moseley-Braun, Al Sharpton. The Republicans are more white than mayo.

ok ok, uncle already

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 4:07:06pm

re: #215 dangerman

ok ok, uncle already

Oh I’m not rubbing it in. Just further strengthening your point.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 4:07:31pm

re: #208 A Cranky One

Heh. Saw this and immediately thought of Anymouse.

[Embedded content]

i have a candlestick phone, before dials, here on a shelf
(in case of the apocalypse)

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 4:07:46pm

To me what’s telling is every Republican nominee since Reagan has had to kiss some Evangelical ass to get the nomination.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:09:19pm

re: #202 The Vicious Babushka

The Forward is a publication that calls itself “Jewish” but specializes in bacon recipes.

And they did give Ann KKKolter a platform for a while!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 4:09:29pm

re: #146 ObserverArt

Too much water in Ohio too. We had flash flooding last week. If as expected we get some of the rain from the less than tropical storm coming up from the south on Wednesday, we will have even more flooding, probably in more areas.

Gonna be a hell of a mosquito season with this heat and weather.

Just had a small but enthusiastic storm cell pass through…it dumped half an inch of rain in less than 10 minutes.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:10:19pm

re: #207 CleverToad

Will have to go back and catch up the thread if my router stays on, but here to report a MAJOR thunderclap just rocked the house. I’m currently looking at drifts of hail on my lawn and on the street (southeast metro Denver). Mostly pea-sized, a few up to marble-size, but lots and lots of those nasty little white iceballs. So much for my mom’s lovely peonies that burst into bloom yesterday, and all my iris and columbines. *sniff*

Has been doing this for about 15 minutes straight now, just hoping it stops soon. And here we just had solar panels installed and turned on barely a month ago — will have to call insurance tomorrow to inspect the roof for damage.

On the other hand, it’s not a tornado and we’re at no risk of flooding and we’re nowhere near a lava flow, so it could be worse. Stay safe, all you lizards in the storm paths.

That’s the crap coming our way.

Why does Colorado hate us? /s

Stay safe, and away from windows.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 4:10:38pm

re: #212 A Cranky One

Speaking of phones:

[Embedded content]

The first time I saw that cartoon I thought of the anecdote from Henry Kissinger about calling the U.S. from his scrambler phone in his Moscow hotel room. It used spread-spectrum technology like modern cell phones. Nobody could tap it (in those days), but he had to shout at the top of his lungs for the other end to hear him. He thought that kind of defeated the purpose….

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 4:11:37pm

re: #219 Joe Bacon 🌹

And they did give Ann KKKolter a platform for a while!

Anyone who gives Coulter a platform should have their judgment questioned. It’s why I don’t like Maher. And yes Bill she does have free speech, but I’m also entitled to call her a hateful witch with views that fit in well with Nazis.

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dangerman  May 28, 2018 • 4:13:31pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Oh I’m not rubbing it in. Just further strengthening your point.

its all good

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teleskiguy  May 28, 2018 • 4:14:45pm

Fuck.

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wheat-dogg  May 28, 2018 • 4:18:26pm

re: #208 A Cranky One

Very dramatic music for this PSA. Seems a little out of place. ;-)

I imagine the rotary dial phone was as amazing to folks in the 1920s as the first smartphone was to us. “You mean, I don’t have to call the operator to call someone now? Whoa, dude!*”

*Translated from 1920s lingo. “It’s the bee’s knees!”

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Cheechako  May 28, 2018 • 4:18:38pm

re: #208 A Cranky One

I have a couple of those candle-stick phone without dials. My Uncle added light-bulb sockets to the top to convert them to lamps. The light would turn on when the receiver was removed from the hook.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 4:18:48pm
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CleverToad  May 28, 2018 • 4:19:16pm

re: #210 teleskiguy

It’s not even June yet. That’s usually when storms like that ramp up in those parts.

*sigh*

Hope for the best, CleverToad. Meanwhile I look out my window, blue skies, light breeze, just 140 miles to the west.

Still raining lightly, still rumbling, but the iceballs have stopped falling at the moment. Grass and roofs look like we had half an inch of snow. Hubby says it looks like a good half-inch of water in the formerly-empty birdbath.

Fingers crossed in the hope that we don’t get another band! Hope the Western Slope gets some of this, preferably as gentle rains that fill the reservoirs without flooding the canyons.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 28, 2018 • 4:20:19pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I know. And Rudy is probably one of the team’s most famous fans. BTW do we know if Trump is a Yankees or a Mets fan? Never heard him talk baseball. I know he likes NE in football but I think he’s just a jocksniffer.

he likes NE because they are the PATRIOTS.

that’s all that counts…the name.

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scottslemmons  May 28, 2018 • 4:20:36pm

re: #228 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

There are times I’m surprised he doesn’t try something like that, just to see who’s loyal/fanatic/stupid enough to blindly parrot him. I’d think the temptation would be irresistible to discover how many fanatics you have under your thumb…

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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 4:21:02pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

he likes NE because they are the PATRIOTS.

that’s all that counts…the name.

Sounds right.

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 4:21:59pm

re: #217 dangerman

i have a candlestick phone, before dials, here on a shelf
(in case of the apocalypse)

Very cool! I’ve got a few antique phones, but none that old.

The old rotary dial telephones used stepper switches to make the connection, eliminating the need for a human operator to manually patch the lines together. Basically each click generated by the dial would rotate a selector to another position. Then the next dialed digit would rotate the next selector, etc. With practice, you could dial from a phone without a dial simply by clicking the switch hook in the proper pattern (as seen in one of the Hannibal Lecter movies).

The old stepper switches were loud. Trained techs could often diagnose problems simply by listening.

AT&T Archives: The Step-By-Step Switch

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jaunte  May 28, 2018 • 4:22:17pm
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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 4:23:19pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

Everything was revolutionary once. I’ve shown my youngest brother’s friends examples of what cutting edge games were when I was a pre-teen.

Also, an intelligent and educated 32-year-old recently asked me how we ever found our way places before Google Maps. The horrifying thing is that, for a moment, I couldn’t remember.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:23:26pm

re: #208 A Cranky One

Heh. Saw this and immediately thought of Anymouse.

[Embedded content]

LOL. I have two dial phones, a standard Seventies wall phone, and a tabletop French rotary phone. (I usually use the French phone as it is easier to reach.)

French Rotary Phone
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HappyWarrior  May 28, 2018 • 4:24:08pm

re: #234 jaunte

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FFS

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 4:24:48pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

FFS

Post of the day

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:24:51pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Anyone who gives Coulter a platform should have their judgment questioned. It’s why I don’t like Maher. And yes Bill she does have free speech, but I’m also entitled to call her a hateful witch with views that fit in well with Nazis.

Ann Coulter has the right to free speech; she does not have the right to a platform for that speech.

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teleskiguy  May 28, 2018 • 4:27:44pm

re: #229 CleverToad

Hope the Western Slope gets some of this, preferably as gentle rains that fill the reservoirs without flooding the canyons.

Long term looks dire. High and dry. I’m having anxiety issues in re: wildfires.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 4:27:54pm
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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 4:29:21pm

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹

LOL. I have two dial phones, a standard Seventies wall phone, and a tabletop French rotary phone. (I usually use the French phone as it is easier to reach.)

[Embedded content]

The scary part is it won’t be long until people won’t have a clue what a “dial tone” is. Or why old phones don’t have a SEND button. ;-)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 4:30:03pm

re: #228 gocart mozart

If Donald Trump were to claim “1 + 1 = 3”, his cult following would immediately accuse all their second grade math teachers of being part of a Soros funded Deep State who indoctrinated them with leftist LIES!!!!

That’s the flat-earthers right now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 28, 2018 • 4:31:01pm

re: #242 A Cranky One

The scary part is it won’t be long until people won’t have a clue what a “dial tone” is. Or why old phones don’t have a SEND button. ;-)

“Daddy, who do all phones have a hashtag key?”

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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 4:31:40pm

re: #242 A Cranky One

The scary part is it won’t be long until people won’t have a clue what a “dial tone” is. Or why old phones don’t have a SEND button. ;-)

I posted this video here a while ago - kids can’t figure out how a rotary phone works.

Stump the senior: 17-year-old tackles rotary phone

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Skip Intro  May 28, 2018 • 4:32:50pm

re: #241 gocart mozart

I think he ought to move in with Maggie.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 4:33:45pm

re: #235 petesh

Also, an intelligent and educated 32-year-old recently asked me how we ever found our way places before Google Maps. The horrifying thing is that, for a moment, I couldn’t remember.

Thomas Brothers’ Maps. The three-county ones were like $25.00, which was a lot of money for me, so I was usually way out of date.

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 4:33:59pm

re: #245 makeitstop

Do not laugh too hard that is what the old telephone in my parent’s house looked like before we got a push-button phone.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 4:37:09pm

re: #242 A Cranky One

The scary part is it won’t be long until people won’t have a clue what a “dial tone” is. Or why old phones don’t have a SEND button. ;-)

I’ve got a cordless phone next to the bed. It took me years to get used to hitting “talk” on a cell phone after I dialed the number—now I can never remember that this one is the right way around!

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 4:37:24pm

re: #245 makeitstop

I posted this video here a while ago - kids can’t figure out how a rotary phone works.

[Embedded content]

Video

Heh.

Decided to avoid being depressed by Trump by being cranky about getting old instead.

One of my first jobs in the telephone industry was developing software to support pay phones on new digital switches. I know, what’s a pay phone, right?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:37:35pm

re: #245 makeitstop

I posted this video here a while ago - kids can’t figure out how a rotary phone works.

[Embedded content]

Video

Kids these days, don’t know how the spark advance works on a car …

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wheat-dogg  May 28, 2018 • 4:37:40pm

A pre-dial phone recording. “Hello, Central. Give Me Heaven”

“Hello Central, Give Me Heaven” sung by Byron G. Harlan

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:39:32pm

re: #245 makeitstop

I posted this video here a while ago - kids can’t figure out how a rotary phone works.

[Embedded content]

Video

The same person retaliated:

Stump the Mama: 17 year old senior teaches Mom about AP Biology

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Stanley Sea  May 28, 2018 • 4:40:11pm

re: #250 A Cranky One

Ya know, it’s probably about time for some Mrs. Cranky garden photos. ..

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:41:55pm

re: #250 A Cranky One

Heh.

Decided to avoid being depressed by Trump by being cranky about getting old instead.

One of my first jobs in the telephone industry was developing software to support pay phones on new digital switches. I know, what’s a pay phone, right?

We have a pay phone here in our general store. (I wonder if it stumps tourists looking for a telephone that you use a credit card with, though you can use credit cards on pay phones.)

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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 4:42:11pm

re: #247 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Thomas Brothers’ Maps. The three-county ones were like $25.00, which was a lot of money for me, so I was usually way out of date.

We used to use Hagstrom maps - considered the ‘map of record’ for the NYC area. Saved my ass numerous times when I had to drive to parts of the city I wasn’t familiar with.

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lawhawk  May 28, 2018 • 4:43:37pm

re: #194 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Skip Intro  May 28, 2018 • 4:43:37pm

Melon is still MIA. He must have beaten the shit out of her.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 4:44:15pm

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹

Kids these days, don’t know how the spark advance works on a car …

Or centrifugal advance and vacuum retard working against each other—except corrosion was keeping either one from working right.

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makeitstop  May 28, 2018 • 4:44:29pm

re: #248 PhillyPretzel

Do not laugh too hard that is what the old telephone in my parent’s house looked like before we got a push-button phone.

I remember having a kitchen wall phone with a cord that was long enough to go all the way upstairs for ‘private’ conversations.

And when Touch Tone phones came into existence, I was convinced that the future had arrived.

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Scout  May 28, 2018 • 4:45:19pm

re: #247 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Thomas Brothers’ Maps. The three-county ones were like $25.00, which was a lot of money for me, so I was usually way out of date.

Yeah, The Thomas Guide for King and Snohomish counties saved my bacon a million times over.

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stpaulbear  May 28, 2018 • 4:46:57pm

The WeatherUnderground radar for the Twin Cities is bizarre right now. We’ve got two systems that are moving in different directions passing over us from the SE and SW and the radar animation looks more like an explosion radiating from the center of the cities.

In a couple of minutes it probably won’t look like this anymore…

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wheat-dogg  May 28, 2018 • 4:47:47pm

re: #260 makeitstop

I remember having a kitchen wall phone with a cord that was long enough to go all the way upstairs for ‘private’ conversations.

And when Touch Tone phones came into existence, I was convinced that the future had arrived.

I remember hearing my dad complaining about Bell charging more for Touch Tone service, even though the technology made the switching cheaper for them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 28, 2018 • 4:48:20pm

Since The Older Boy had today off, I decided to fire up the Weber Smokey Mountain and do some semi-serious BBQ.

I started a pork butt at 11

It’s been going for almost 6 hrs, and is hitting the stall. Knowing that this could take hours, even foil-wrapped in a 300 degree oven, and because I wanted to make sure we eat TODAY, I tossed a rack of ribs on about an hour ago…

With luck, there’ll still be pulled pork left when Mrs. FBW and The Younger Boy get home on Wednesday. But if not, well, they got to go to Hawaii, so….

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:50:21pm

re: #247 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Thomas Brothers’ Maps. The three-county ones were like $25.00, which was a lot of money for me, so I was usually way out of date.

I have a gazetteer map of my county so I can find the sand and dirt roads around here … that cost $30.

None of our county roads are on something like Mapquest or Google Maps.

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Jay C  May 28, 2018 • 4:52:09pm

re: #233 A Cranky One

LOL. I never see pix of the old phone equipment without thinking of my mother’s house (SoCal). Around 1968, my father had installed a “state-of-the-art” phone system in the house so he could have multiple lines, and talk directly to his office(s) - they installed a bunch of these electro-mechanical switches in the garage, and I remember the clacking and clunking as a sure sign Dad was on the phone….

FF 25+ years, and visiting home, I noticed the phones had all changed: my mother told me she had had some problems with the line, and the Phone Company (still Pacific Bell IIRC) had sent a (young) tech out to fix it. She sent him to the garage, from which he returned about a minute later, telling her that not only could he not fix it, but he had never seen equipment like that, and had no idea how it worked, still less how to fix the issue. Mom told me they had had to find an older repair guy, on the verge of retirement, to even assess the problem: which he solved by recommending the company replace ALL her phone equipment with modern stuff (I think they took the old gear away for the company museum, myself).

Sure, the phones were a bit more modern - but my mother swore she never got the hang of them - she still preferred the old heavy desktops with push-buttons. I could see why.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 4:53:27pm

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

I have a gazetteer map of my county so I can find the sand and dirt roads around here … that cost $30.

None of our county roads are on something like Mapquest or Google Maps.

I’ve got an Ohio all 88 county DeLorme Atlas & Gazetteer in my car. You never know when you need old tech. I’ve had it for some time so why not keep it around. It’s got great detail.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 4:53:33pm

re: #265 Anymouse 🌹

I have a gazetteer map of my county so I can find the sand and dirt roads around here … that cost $30.

None of our county roads are on something like Mapquest or Google Maps.

Hell, even on Google Maps, your “satellite” view is probably an actual satellite view, unlike built-up areas.

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William Lewis  May 28, 2018 • 4:56:20pm

Surfing.

Found this.

Have massive dust in my eyes.

The general who apologized to the dead soldiers on Memorial Day

I was going to quote it but just read the link.

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 4:56:24pm

re: #261 Scout

Yeah, The Thomas Guide for King and Snohomish counties saved my bacon a million times over.

My local bank had excellent county maps printed up with its own logo, a great promo device that did not save it from being bought out. I still have one, preserved for history. I should put it under glass.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 4:56:24pm

re: #252 wheat-dogg

A pre-dial phone recording. “Hello, Central. Give Me Heaven”

[Embedded content]

Video

In the town in which I grew up, we had a co-op telephone company. Until it was bought out by General Telephone and they installed a Step-by-Step electro-mechanical central office, we had a switchboard (until the late Seventies).

Our telephone “number” was 12 (one long ring, two short rings).

When General Telephone put in service, that meant my aunt (who lives one mile outside town) got service for the first time (a party line).

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austin_blue  May 28, 2018 • 4:57:02pm

re: #256 makeitstop

We used to use Hagstrom maps - considered the ‘map of record’ for the NYC area. Saved my ass numerous times when I had to drive to parts of the city I wasn’t familiar with.

The British Ordnance Survey maps are brilliant. Went to Skye for a week and bought two 50,000-1 maps (North Skye, South Skye) and I swear to Dog they had sheep trails on them, along with every single fucking structure, including crofts abandoned in the 1800’s, on the island.

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 4:58:39pm

re: #269 William Lewis

Surfing.

Found this.

Have massive dust in my eyes.

The general who apologized to the dead soldiers on Memorial Day

I was going to quote it but just read the link.

Sure is dusty around here, too.

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stpaulbear  May 28, 2018 • 4:59:16pm

re: #260 makeitstop

I remember having a kitchen wall phone with a cord that was long enough to go all the way upstairs for ‘private’ conversations.

And when Touch Tone phones came into existence, I was convinced that the future had arrived.

When I got my first apartment, you could choose between pulse dialing (rotary) and tone dialing (touch tone). It cost more to get tone dialing, so I bought a touchpad phone that you could switch to sending a pulse signal. I found out that once you connected to the place you were calling via pulse, you could flip the switch over to tone and use it to communicate with automated banking and the like. It saved me about $5 a month on my phone bill.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 28, 2018 • 4:59:25pm

Rango decided he really didn’t want to walk when he realized it was 90 degrees out. Instead, he decided to lie in the shade.

The bare patch is where they shaved his arm to put in the IV when they did his teeth.

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 5:00:01pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

Ya know, it’s probably about time for some Mrs. Cranky garden photos. ..

Ha. Well, her garden is really just starting to wake up, but these were taken today. How can I resist a request like that?

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 5:00:18pm

re: #268 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hell, even on Google Maps, your “satellite” view is probably an actual satellite view, unlike built-up areas.

I love maps. The satellite maps on Google are fun. But so too are the road maps.

I was looking at Denver one time studying where the airport is. I was moving over the mountains and saw all these little lines and zoomed in and then realized they must have been trails at the ski resorts. The detail was pretty cool. I think it even had color designations like runs and maybe lifts.

Switched to satellite view and sure enough…ski trails and lifts.

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 5:00:56pm

re: #276 A Cranky One

Those are beautiful.

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gocart mozart  May 28, 2018 • 5:03:54pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:03:55pm

re: #247 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Sure do remember Thomas Maps. We had to keep multiple sets of Thomas Guides for Souther California in our office when people would ask for directions to their local Social Security Office. Callers would be upset if the guides were being used to direct other callers.

When I started with Social Security 40 years ago we didn’t have access to computers and we had to use microfiche plates to look up their accounts. The plates would be at a minimum six months out of date…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:05:27pm

re: #272 austin_blue

The British Ordnance Survey maps are brilliant. Went to Skye for a week and bought two 50,000-1 maps (North Skye, South Skye) and I swear to Dog they had sheep trails on them, along with very single fucking structure, including crofts abandoned in the 1800’s, on the island.

I don’t have anything quite that detailed, but my map pocket in my Smart has paper maps for Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario, along with city maps for Scottsbluff, Cheyenne, Regina, and Omaha.

A file cabinet might work better… .

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Stanley Sea  May 28, 2018 • 5:06:13pm

re: #267 ObserverArt

I’ve got an Ohio all 88 county DeLorme Atlas & Gazetteer in my car. You never know when you need old tech. I’ve had it for some time so why not keep it around. It’s got great detail.

I wish I still has my old Thomas bros. I prob had 6 yrs worth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:08:50pm

More pre-computer memories.

Remembering when I started to play chess, opening theory was in a pair of books—Modern Chess Openings and Chess Openings: Theory and Practice. MCO would be revised every couple years.

You could go through the books and find the errors in analysis, play someone who didn’t do that and beat them.

Now Chessbase has millions of games online and Chess Informant now is online with their analysis.

Takes the fun out of the game…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:11:11pm

re: #269 William Lewis

Surfing.

Found this.

Have massive dust in my eyes.

The general who apologized to the dead soldiers on Memorial Day

I was going to quote it but just read the link.

I seem to be suffering a sudden allergy bout tearing up my eyes… .

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sagehen  May 28, 2018 • 5:12:19pm

re: #247 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Thomas Brothers’ Maps. The three-county ones were like $25.00, which was a lot of money for me, so I was usually way out of date.

If you were going on a longish trip that your local Thomas Bros didn’t cover, like one of those National Lampoon Vacation holidays….

The AAA had a service called Trip-Tik… they’d cut up a bunch of state and/or county maps, tape together the relevant parts, and give you a custom map of the route for where you told them you wanted.

ETA: with hi-lighter marking the motels, restaurants, attractions etc that you expressed interest in.

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Scout  May 28, 2018 • 5:13:20pm

Speaking of old phones, I have a very vague recollection (and so is probably inaccurate) that when I was a really young kid, my older siblings would listen in on other people’s conversations via a “party line.”

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Scout  May 28, 2018 • 5:15:56pm

re: #285 sagehen

If you were going on a longish trip that your local Thomas Bros didn’t cover, like one of those National Lampoon Vacation holidays….

The AAA had a service called Trip-Tik… they’d cut up a bunch of state and/or county maps, tape together the relevant parts, and give you a custom map of the route for where you told them you wanted.

I seem to recall a service regarding Cheveron highway maps in which they would mark out your long-distant trip route with a blue highlighter type ink.

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teleskiguy  May 28, 2018 • 5:16:33pm

re: #267 ObserverArt

I’ve got an Ohio all 88 county DeLorme Atlas & Gazetteer in my car. You never know when you need old tech. I’ve had it for some time so why not keep it around. It’s got great detail.

I’ve purchased this a couple of times, most recently in 2007. I think it’s been updated somewhat since then, but this the go-to for roads and trails in Colorado.

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 5:17:13pm

re: #286 Scout

Speaking of old phones, I have a very vague recollection (and so is probably inaccurate) that when I was a really young kid, my older siblings would listen in on other people’s conversations via a “party line.”

Party lines, with multiple phones using the same circuit. The phones would ring a different pattern to indicate who was being called. And yes, you could listen to any call. It wasn’t uncommon to pick up the phone and hear someone’s call instead of a dial tone.

Of course today a party line has a whole different meaning. And probably a 900 prefix. ;-)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:17:20pm

re: #283 Joe Bacon 🌹

More pre-computer memories.

Remembering when I started to play chess, opening theory was in a pair of books—Modern Chess Openings and Chess Openings: Theory and Practice. MCO would be revised every couple years.

You could go through the books and find the errors in analysis, play someone who didn’t do that and beat them.

Now Chessbase had millions of games online and Chess Informant now is online with their analysis.

Takes the fun out of the game…

One of the co-founders of Atari died yesterday, Ted Dabney.

engadget.com

The very first video game was Spacewar! for the DEC PDP-1 in 1962.
en.wikipedia.org!

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 5:17:37pm

re: #286 Scout

That was in my late mom’s time right after WW2. It was one of the ways to have a telephone in a house.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:18:42pm

re: #286 Scout

Speaking of old phones, I have a very vague recollection (and so is probably inaccurate) that when I was a really young kid, my older siblings would listen in on other people’s conversations via a “party line.”

Growing up, we did that at my aunt’s house. Both she and others on her party line would get really upset at that for some reason.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 5:19:03pm

re: #286 Scout

Speaking of old phones, I have a very vague recollection (and so is probably inaccurate) that when I was a really young kid, my older siblings would listen in on other people’s conversations via a “party line.”

When I was a kid, single-party lines were in darker type in the phone book. It got so we were the only on page after page. They’d try and sneak other people onto our line, and my mom would call and scream at them and they’d wait a while before trying again….

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stpaulbear  May 28, 2018 • 5:19:06pm

re: #286 Scout

Speaking of old phones, I have a very vague recollection (and so is probably inaccurate) that when I was a really young kid, my older siblings would listen in on other people’s conversations via a “party line.”

We had a party line for a while when I was a little kid. I don’t remember listening in to conversations, but I do remember picking up the phone and hearing people that I didn’t know talking.

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PhillyPretzel  May 28, 2018 • 5:19:36pm

re: #285 sagehen

Yes. My late dad was an AAA member and you have to order those but they were up to date and as you said were highlighted with the points of interest.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:19:42pm

One of my girlfriends told me about the “Green Book” which was a guide for African-American travelers telling them where they could spend the night, buy gas, and get food. Depressed me when she told me about how her parents had to carry chamber pots and picnic baskets filled with food when they went to visit relatives. The Green Book also warned them about road rest stops where they would not be welcome…

Made me very angry…

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A Cranky One  May 28, 2018 • 5:22:44pm

re: #296 Joe Bacon 🌹

One of my girlfriends told me about the “Green Book” which was a guide for African-American travelers telling them where they could spend the night, buy gas, and get food. Depressed me when she told me about how her parents had to carry chamber pots and picnic baskets filled with food when they went to visit relatives. The Green Book also warned them about road rest stops where they would not be welcome…

Made me very angry…

The worst part is that some people are feeling the need to revive the Green Book.

Thanks Trump.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 28, 2018 • 5:24:01pm

re: #296 Joe Bacon 🌹

One of my girlfriends told me about the “Green Book” which was a guide for African-American travelers telling them where they could spend the night, buy gas, and get food. Depressed me when she told me about how her parents had to carry chamber pots and picnic baskets filled with food when they went to visit relatives. The Green Book also warned them about road rest stops where they would not be welcome…

Made me very angry…

What makes me angry is that if someone published such a guide today (it would unfortunately be very useful), the RWNJs would scream about what a “racist” thing that would be to do.

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Stanley Sea  May 28, 2018 • 5:27:30pm

re: #276 A Cranky One

Ha. Well, her garden is really just starting to wake up, but these were taken today. How can I resist a request like that?

[Embedded content]

Sooo needed. Thank you and Mrs. Prob not so Cranky.

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ObserverArt  May 28, 2018 • 5:28:54pm

re: #288 teleskiguy

I’ve purchased this a couple of times, most recently in 2007. I think it’s been updated somewhat since then, but this the go-to for roads and trails in Colorado.

Yep…same publication I have for Ohio.

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Jay C  May 28, 2018 • 5:31:17pm

re: #286 Scout

Speaking of old phones, I have a very vague recollection (and so is probably inaccurate) that when I was a really young kid, my older siblings would listen in on other people’s conversations via a “party line.”

Maybe not that “long” ago* - in 1978 I lived in a house on the bluff above the PCH in Malibu: and the several units shared a party-line phone system. I recall everyone had their own number, but you occasionally picked up and heard someone else on the line. Though the “landlord” was this cranky engineer/inventor type: I had a feeling he had wired the system up himself to save money…..

*OK, yeah - it WAS that long ago.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:31:49pm
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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 5:36:09pm

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

What else does Nunes have to campaign on? Pretty much nothing. He could even lose.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 28, 2018 • 5:39:10pm

re: #296 Joe Bacon 🌹

One of my girlfriends told me about the “Green Book” which was a guide for African-American travelers telling them where they could spend the night, buy gas, and get food. Depressed me when she told me about how her parents had to carry chamber pots and picnic baskets filled with food when they went to visit relatives. The Green Book also warned them about road rest stops where they would not be welcome…

Made me very angry…

What’s more depressing:

From the Green Book to Facebook, how black people still need to outwit racists in rural America (goes to The Guardian, a short history of travel problems during Jim Crow, and the problems that have arisen again today - such as the NAACP recently issuing a travel warning for Missouri).

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petesh  May 28, 2018 • 5:39:10pm

Off to either celebrate or mourn the Warriors. Fortunately, the required supplies are very much the same, and I have them.

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Stanley Sea  May 28, 2018 • 5:44:15pm

re: #285 sagehen

If you were going on a longish trip that your local Thomas Bros didn’t cover, like one of those National Lampoon Vacation holidays….

The AAA had a service called Trip-Tik… they’d cut up a bunch of state and/or county maps, tape together the relevant parts, and give you a custom map of the route for where you told them you wanted.

ETA: with hi-lighter marking the motels, restaurants, attractions etc that you expressed interest in.

Trip tik for my trip from FL to CA back in 1992. I think it might be somewhere. …I gave them my round a bout trip & they mapped it.

It was perfect.

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geosherman  May 28, 2018 • 7:19:04pm
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CleverToad  May 28, 2018 • 7:22:02pm

re: #285 sagehen

If you were going on a longish trip that your local Thomas Bros didn’t cover, like one of those National Lampoon Vacation holidays….

The AAA had a service called Trip-Tik… they’d cut up a bunch of state and/or county maps, tape together the relevant parts, and give you a custom map of the route for where you told them you wanted.

ETA: with hi-lighter marking the motels, restaurants, attractions etc that you expressed interest in.

Ah, yes, the Trip-Tiks. I have about 15 of those in three “Maps and Brochures” boxes I amassed while sorting my mom’s papers last year. Memories of trips she took!
Need to find someone who archives that sort of ephemera, because I have maps and souvenirs dating back to the 30’s.

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CleverToad  May 28, 2018 • 7:23:53pm

re: #288 teleskiguy

I’ve purchased this a couple of times, most recently in 2007. I think it’s been updated somewhat since then, but this the go-to for roads and trails in Colorado.

Yep, got one in the car. My husband still loves paper maps.


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