Roseanne Barr Tweets Ugly Racist Attack on Valerie Jarrett; Her ABC Show Is Canceled; Right Wingers Mobilize to Defend Her

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Who could ever have predicted that someone who posed for a photo like the one above would say something so virulently racist it forced ABC to cancel her hit show within hours?

‘Roseanne’ canceled after star’s racist tweet.

She was replying to another right wing goon on Twitter who was attacking ex-Obama aide Valerie Jarrett.

The real disgrace, however, is that Roseanne had a show on ABC in the first place, because she’s been tweeting and saying things just as bad as this for years.

Meanwhile, right wing Twitter is already mobilizing to defend the indefensible, of course.

This is Donald Trump’s America.

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428 comments

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 11:51:03am

this too:

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PhillyPretzel  May 29, 2018 • 11:51:45am

Well we kicked Roseanne off the air. It is a pity that we cannot do the same with a sham of a POTUS.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 11:52:14am

Same people who thought Michelle Wolf was just awful. Hypocrites on parade.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 11:52:39am

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

Well we kicked Roseanne off the air. It is a pity that we cannot do the same with a sham of a POTUS.

I’d like to have him more than kicked off air.

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Kragar  May 29, 2018 • 11:53:04am
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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 11:53:12am
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Kragar  May 29, 2018 • 11:53:15am
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PhillyPretzel  May 29, 2018 • 11:53:51am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

cliff?

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 11:54:32am
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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 11:54:49am

re: #7 Kragar

… and no one is surprised.

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Dr Lizardo  May 29, 2018 • 11:55:36am

re: #10 freetoken

… and no one is surprised.

To be fair, ABC axing her show that damn fast actually did surprise me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 11:56:19am
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Dr. Matt  May 29, 2018 • 11:57:19am
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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 11:57:20am
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Dr. Matt  May 29, 2018 • 11:58:52am

Annnnd of course….

Don Jr. Retweets Roseanne’s Bizarre Conspiracy Theory About George Soros Being a Nazi

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 11:59:52am
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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:00:08pm

Dayum.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:01:08pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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Is he fucking serious?!?!?
Wow.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 12:01:44pm

SINCE WHEN WAS CALLING A BLACK WOMAN A MONKEY RACIST?!?!

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 12:02:32pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 12:03:31pm

re: #8 PhillyPretzel

cliff?

The country and maybe the planet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 12:03:49pm
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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:03:54pm
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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:04:49pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 12:04:50pm

re: #23 JordanRules

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Her snow was renewed until a few hours ago but yeah cons it’s because she likes Trump.

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makeitstop  May 29, 2018 • 12:06:16pm

Heh.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 12:06:34pm

Abandon ship!!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2018 • 12:06:48pm

I checked out Roseanne’s Twitter timeline and it is every bit as toxic as you would expect from a racist nazi shitgoblin.

Here she defends her Hitler cookies photo shoot claiming she is making fun of “Hitler.”

Nope, if you were making fun of Hitler you would be dressed up as a Holocaust survivor holding a plate of Hitler cookies.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:07:41pm
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Dr. Matt  May 29, 2018 • 12:07:59pm

Frankly, if George Soros was a Nazi sympathizer, the right would be more likely to embrace him.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 12:09:34pm
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makeitstop  May 29, 2018 • 12:09:54pm

re: #27 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Abandon ship!!

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Wow. She’ll never work in this town again.

(A cliche, I know. But ICM has major fucking showbiz clout.)

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:10:37pm
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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:10:39pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:10:54pm

I got dragged by some commentators here when the reboot of the show was announced, with variations of “well, let’s wait and see what happens.”

To be fair, I don’t own a television set so I wouldn’t be able to see her show whether I wanted to or not.

I am surprised how fast a threatened boycott of ABC ended her show - a matter of hours.

Looking across social media I see the usual suspects (conservatives) complaining about Freeze Speech (ignoring as usual that pushing back against such statements is also free speech).

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:13:46pm
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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:13:50pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

I got dragged by some commentators here when the reboot of the show was announced, with variations of “well, let’s wait and see what happens.”

To be fair, I don’t own a television set so I wouldn’t be able to see her show whether I wanted to or not.

I am surprised how fast a threatened boycott of ABC ended her show - a matter of hours.

Looking across social media I see the usual suspects (conservatives) complaining about Freeze Speech (ignoring as usual that pushing back against such statements is also free speech).

I don’t recall being dragged but I was very clear about how her getting the platform was bullshit and one or two folks disagreed and wanted to somehow separate her vileness from the show.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:15:45pm

Oh! Mark it down libtards! We’re gonna see if we can steal some more elections…and we’ll be powered by the great Roseanne!

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 12:15:47pm

if only congress had the apparent balls of ABC and ICM Partners

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 12:17:07pm

re: #37 JordanRules

I don’t recall being dragged but I was very clear about how her getting the platform was bullshit and one or two folks disagreed and wanted to somehow separate her vileness from the show.

From the bits I saw from the show, this stuff didn’t make it into the character. Those who created and wrote for the show thought they could contain her and keep her from damaging the show.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:17:20pm

This (retweeted by Roseanne Barr) is a QAnon conspiracy hub and it’s cray cray

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 29, 2018 • 12:18:00pm

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Kyoiee and Athena are the first two plaintiffs, but they are seeking class-action status.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 12:18:43pm

re: #38 JordanRules

Oh! Mark it down libtards! We’re gonna see if we can steal some more elections…and we’ll be powered by the great Roseanne!

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“mark it down” is so analog

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Dr. Matt  May 29, 2018 • 12:19:25pm

I love the reply (over at themuse.jezebel.com):

Shut Up! at 5/29/18 2:28pm
Every last cast member knew what they signing up for when they hitched their wagons to a vile, racist, pig. Now they’re forever tainted with the stench of Rosanne. They all got what they deserved.

Little Miss Muffet at 5/29/18 2:31pm
If John Goodman joins Twitter just to post a “Bye Bitch” message, I will give him one more chance.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:20:45pm

re: #37 JordanRules

I don’t recall being dragged but I was very clear about how her getting the platform was bullshit and one or two folks disagreed and wanted to somehow separate her vileness from the show.

Well, maybe “dragged” is incorrect or hyperbole. “Disagreed” (your term) is probably more accurate.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:20:51pm

Another Roseanne retweet

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:21:32pm

Moral of the story—Don’t insult Chelsea!

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:21:33pm

re: #40 Belafon

From the bits I saw from the show, this stuff didn’t make it into the character. Those who created and wrote for the show thought they could contain her and keep her from damaging the show.

I never expected the show to reflect that part of her. I know Wanda and Sarah are talented and what the show used to be and what they were aiming for. And I also knew it likely wouldn’t end well. Didn’t expect it this fast tho. I actually liked the old show.

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wrenchwench  May 29, 2018 • 12:21:34pm

That was a low barr.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 12:22:42pm

re: #38 JordanRules

Oh! Mark it down libtards! We’re gonna see if we can steal some more elections…and we’ll be powered by the great Roseanne!

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Because Democrats in Congress canceled Roseanne.

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petesh  May 29, 2018 • 12:22:44pm

Hey, can we cancel The Apprentice: 1600 Edition?

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makeitstop  May 29, 2018 • 12:23:25pm

And in other news, another anti-Putin journalist meets his end in Kiev.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:23:33pm

So what will Blowsanne tweet when her unemployment claim is denied?

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Sir John Barron  May 29, 2018 • 12:23:50pm

re: #5 Kragar

FoxNews throwing Roseanne under the bus right now, then backing it up and running over General Flynn too for good measure. Why are they doing that?

— Jack Posobiec🇺🇸

Roseanne is new Drumpf icon of American conservativism. And it’s only Tuesday.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2018 • 12:24:15pm
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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:24:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:24:49pm

re: #38 JordanRules

I see Golden Gate Blonde a lot in tweets posted here.

I’m afraid I live under tumbleweed; who is she?

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:24:58pm

re: #52 makeitstop

And in other news, another anti-Putin journalist meets his end in Kiev.

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Shit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 12:25:40pm

Dear Roseanne,

Door. Ass. Way out.
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Sir John Barron  May 29, 2018 • 12:25:48pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

They are RESIST

Not sure why they allow Twitter phones inside the asylum.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:26:08pm

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹

I see Golden Gate Blonde a lot in tweets posted here.

I’m afraid I live under tumbleweed; who is she?

Not famous, just a long time funny tweeter and resister.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 12:27:21pm
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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 12:27:52pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:30:33pm
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Sir John Barron  May 29, 2018 • 12:30:39pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

I thought Roseanne was quitting Twitter?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:31:56pm

re: #65 Sir John Barron

I thought Roseanne was quitting Twitter?

Perhaps Gab dot AI wouldn’t have her?

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Dr Lizardo  May 29, 2018 • 12:32:03pm

re: #65 Sir John Barron

I thought Roseanne was quitting Twitter?

Unfortunately, now she’ll have even more time for Twitter - and tweeting insane QAnon conspiracy theories and racist/anti-Semitic bullshit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 12:34:03pm

re: #67 Dr Lizardo

Unfortunately, now she’ll have even more time for Twitter - and tweeting insane QAnon conspiracy theories and racist/anti-Semitic bullshit.

And even less reason to hold back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 12:34:11pm
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Sir John Barron  May 29, 2018 • 12:34:24pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

Not Fake your the Fake shutup!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:35:10pm

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:35:34pm
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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 12:37:22pm

First they came for Roseanne and I was like, good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 12:38:38pm
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Dr Lizardo  May 29, 2018 • 12:38:55pm

Time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 12:41:12pm

roseanne is a pig and a moran

i see twitter the same way i see network news, presidental speeches etc

that there are those of you out there watching, reporting on this stuff.
doing yeoman’s work so i dont have to

i will never dip a toe into twitter. the thought alone makes me shudder

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 12:41:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 12:42:29pm

Yesterday, Rebecca Shoenkopf put up at Wonkette an update about the Romance scammer going after her father (whom she calls Bigtits McFacebook).

After repeatedly reporting the woman (maybe a woman who knows) to Facebook under a variety of categories (impersonation, scam, &c), Facebook keeps telling her the account is not violating their terms-of-service. Perhaps Ms. Shoenkopf needs some help from other Facebook users to get this person off Facebook?

(Romance scammers rarely target one person. My wife was once the target of a Romance scam, and has written about how they work.)

Shameless page promotion: Romance Scams - How They Work - My Story (goes to Cynics for a Better Tomorrow)

Our Nigerian Scammer (goes to Wonkette)

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 12:42:32pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

To be honest, I’m surprised he didn’t retweet the Valerie Jarrett tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 12:42:40pm
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mmmirele  May 29, 2018 • 12:43:48pm

re: #41 gocart mozart

This (retweeted by Roseanne Barr) is a QAnon conspiracy hub and it’s cray cray

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The tweeter is local to me and is someone I keep an eye on because he’s one of those Seven Mountains people (charismatic Protestants who believe they have to take over the country for Jeebus* before Jeebus* can return). I’m so not surprised he’s supporting qanon.

* Jeebus is not to be confused with that guy in the New Testament.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 29, 2018 • 12:44:09pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 29, 2018 • 12:44:28pm

I paged this with some of the tweets embedded, but it took me too long, and here your version is on the front page and I don’t get any of those sweet updings, dammit!

Oh well. Let’s get busy mocking the RWNJs who yet again need a lesson in WTF the 1st Amendment is actually about:

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Kragar  May 29, 2018 • 12:44:40pm
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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:45:07pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 29, 2018 • 12:45:20pm

BTW - you might wanna bookmark the Snopes page on Soros, because the conspiracy theories that SOROS IS TEH REEL NAZI is about to get a real working-over again from all the dimwits

snopes.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 12:45:38pm

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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*blink*

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:46:38pm
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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 12:46:55pm

re: #5 Kragar

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Why are they doing that?

Because at some point, the truth actually does matter?

And in a civilized society, being a racist asshole should rightly get you shunned into anonymity.

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2018 • 12:47:49pm

re: #30 Dr. Matt

Frankly, if George Soros was a Nazi sympathizer, the right would be more likely to embrace him.

Trump would be praising him as one of many “good people”. Trump couldn’t bring himself to immediately condemn David Duke either.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:47:52pm
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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 12:48:02pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

I got dragged by some commentators here when the reboot of the show was announced, with variations of “well, let’s wait and see what happens.”

To be fair, I don’t own a television set so I wouldn’t be able to see her show whether I wanted to or not.

I am surprised how fast a threatened boycott of ABC ended her show - a matter of hours.

Looking across social media I see the usual suspects (conservatives) complaining about Freeze Speech (ignoring as usual that pushing back against such statements is also free speech).

More here agreed with you.

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 12:49:36pm
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PhillyPretzel  May 29, 2018 • 12:50:31pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Me too. Can I join you?

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:52:04pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2018 • 12:55:21pm

re: #53 Joe Bacon 🌹

So what will Blowsanne tweet when her unemployment claim is denied?

Roseanne is free to tweet about anything she wants to now. She has been freed to be as racist and conspiratorial as possible since she has no show to worry about. I’m sure she’ll find a warm welcome with her fellow Republicans.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 12:56:16pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 12:56:26pm
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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 12:57:57pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

So, wingnut logik goes something like this:

business cancels show because of racist twitter rant by star/producer FREEZE PEACH!!!! HOW DARE YOU CENSOR A TURE MURKIN HERION?

president of the United States pressures business into refusing to hire person for protesting police violence and to change said business’s policy on protests THAT’S MAKING MERICA GRATE AGAIN! THEY SHOULD BE RSPECTING THE FLAG ANYWAY! LIKE ME! I FLY A TATTERED FLAG ON THE BACK OF MY PICK UP AND MY GRILFRIEND (WHO IS TOTALLY REAL) HAS A BIKINI THAT’S THE FLAG

That about sum it up?

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Kragar  May 29, 2018 • 12:58:14pm
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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 12:58:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 12:58:34pm
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A Mom Anon  May 29, 2018 • 12:59:34pm

You know, I watched all the episodes so far and they really could have done a good job here. Roseanne’s character develops an opioid addiction after an injury makes it impossible to return to work. Dan is on disbility himself. There’s a lot of good material there with the cast of characters in the family and all that goes into those relationships. I think Sara Gilbert meant well, but good intentions don’t fix jack shit. So, for the next week or two we’ll hear about how liberals ruin everything and blah meh garble snort. And she’ll still run her yap on social media and SSDD it’s just another dumpster on fire in America. Fuck Yeah. Yuck.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 12:59:47pm

I gotta confess. I actually laughed at this. I mean, poor bastard, and all - though really, by now he’d be dead anyway, but still. And it made me think of the line from ‘Who Framed Roger Rabbit” -

“A Tune killed his brother. Dropped a piano on his head.”

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 12:59:57pm

FoxNew’s token broken clock

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:00:18pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s like Cohen and Davidson weren’t paying attention in law school when they said, “if you’re going to do unlawful/illegal shit, DON’T PUT IT IN WRITING”

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Patricia Kayden  May 29, 2018 • 1:01:20pm

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

Your food always looks so delicious. Must look up a recipe for that bread.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 1:01:36pm

re: #104 Blind Frog Belly White

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I gotta confess. I actually laughed at this. I mean, poor bastard, and all - though really, by now he’d be dead anyway, but still. And it made me think of the line from ‘Who Framed Roger Rabbit” -

“A Tune killed his brother. Dropped a piano on his head.”

and from the position of the skeleton, the poor guy most likely saw it coming.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 1:01:55pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

I got dragged by some commentators here when the reboot of the show was announced, with variations of “well, let’s wait and see what happens.”

To be fair, I don’t own a television set so I wouldn’t be able to see her show whether I wanted to or not.

I am surprised how fast a threatened boycott of ABC ended her show - a matter of hours.

Looking across social media I see the usual suspects (conservatives) complaining about Freeze Speech (ignoring as usual that pushing back against such statements is also free speech).

re: #92 ObserverArt

More here agreed with you.

“Dragged”, AM? Hell, you were in the majority here on the Roseanne continuation.

If anything, those few Lizards, such as myself, who, at first, advised to give the show a chance on its own merits (having actually watched it) instead of dismissing it out-of-hand strictly because of Roseanne’s behavior and comments off-air (which are plentiful and heinous) were browbeat quite a bit with said off-air comments/behavior as a reason why no one should watch or enjoy it. I even had a long-time Lizard say straight up (but paraphrasing a bit), “fuck Goodman, Gilbert, Metcalf, and the rest of the cast and crew for doing this show”; after that, I just kept my mouth shut.

Yeah, Roseanne’s a racist, bigoted POS and I’d just as soon the continuation had never been green-lighted to begin with, because the show was, by-and-large, pretty good and faithful to the first run and that Goodman, Gilbert, Metcalf, and the rest of the cast (who, IMO, were bringing their A-games) are now saddled with the fallout.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 1:03:02pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

and from the position of the skeleton, the poor guy most likely saw it coming.

“Son of a…”

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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 1:03:22pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:04:26pm

re: #83 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I paged this with some of the tweets embedded, but it took me too long, and here your version is on the front page and I don’t get any of those sweet updings, dammit!

Oh well. Let’s get busy mocking the RWNJs who yet again need a lesson in WTF the 1st Amendment is actually about:

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One million a week isn’t good. Just saying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 1:04:36pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

“Son of a…”

“awww, shi…”

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 1:04:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 1:05:01pm
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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:05:35pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

“Son of a…”

Filius…

I always love the gag where hero saves a person from some sort of big bad and then before the scene is even over the person steps off a curb and gets hit by a bus.

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Kragar  May 29, 2018 • 1:05:47pm
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Teukka  May 29, 2018 • 1:05:58pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

“awww, shi…”

Am I the only one having a spurious thought at what Roman deity the guy might’ve pissed off?

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 1:06:45pm

re: #117 Kragar

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they got nothing.

impotent rage is the best kind of rage…..

//

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 1:06:54pm
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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 1:08:34pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Zerlina Maxwell ✔
@ZerlinaMaxwell
If you are a white journalist and you are using “racially charged” to describe an incident where a white woman called a black woman an ape you should probably seek out a new profession. Words aren’t your thing.

1:20 PM - May 29, 2018

This is demonstrably true!

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Kragar  May 29, 2018 • 1:08:34pm
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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 1:08:43pm

re: #117 Kragar

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Damn right. He probably liked that Muslim brotherhood part of Roseanne’s verbal attack.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 29, 2018 • 1:08:51pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

One million a week isn’t good. Just saying.

Yeah, it premiered to 18 million, and ended with an avg. audience ~10 million.

Mathematical accuracy is not the RWNJ strong suit. Neither is factual accuracy.

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:09:56pm

re: #122 Kragar

Given a chance by a whole lot of people to do a show that would go on for years, she couldn’t control herself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 1:10:06pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe if you shuffle your feet on a racist carpet on a cold, dry day, you get racially charged?

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Jenner7  May 29, 2018 • 1:10:12pm
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Charles Johnson  May 29, 2018 • 1:10:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 1:11:25pm
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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 1:12:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 1:12:29pm

re: #126 Blind Frog Belly White

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Maybe if you shuffle your feet on a racist carpet on a cold, dry day, you get racially charged?

with super zapping powers…

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 1:12:43pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

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Not that it matters now, because the network made the decision for her.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 1:13:17pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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Here comes the Whataboutism tsunami.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 1:14:57pm

re: #92 ObserverArt

More here agreed with you.

As I noted above, perhaps “dragged” was hyperbolic, and as pointed out to me “disagreed with me” was a more appropriate way to phrase that.

I conflated a more charged term (dragged) with a more neutral term (disagreed).

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 1:15:11pm
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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 1:15:28pm

re: #106 KGxvi

It’s like Cohen and Davidson weren’t paying attention in law school when they said, “if you’re going to do unlawful/illegal shit, DON’T PUT IT IN WRITING”

Arrogance and cockiness added to them thinking Donny had their backs and this is what you get. Also, they probably were pretty used to doing it and got too comfortable.

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:15:55pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

Which is why they wrote about cross-dressing children, understanding neighbors from the Middle East, and had the son married to a black woman. //

I realize people here are cynical, but there’s plenty to suggest that what they were trying to do with the show went well beyond the money.

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:16:37pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

Arrogance and cockiness added to them thinking Donny had their backs and this is what you get. Also, they probably were pretty used to doing it and got too comfortable.

Hubris: The No Fucks Given True Story of the Trump Administration

It’s going to be a hell of a book.

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BeachDem  May 29, 2018 • 1:18:34pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For everything you want to know about Keith Davidson and his sleazy cast of characters (allow lots of time—it goes on)

thesmokinggun.com

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:19:46pm

re: #137 Belafon

Which is why they wrote about cross-dressing children, understanding neighbors from the Middle East, and had the son married to a black woman. //

I realize people here are cynical, but there’s plenty to suggest that what they were trying to do with the show went well beyond the money.

That is respectable. The thing is, they could have probably done that with a different vehicle. They didn’t necessarily need to go back to the well of Roseanne (a show, that honestly, in its first run lasted a season too long).

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 1:19:52pm
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Kragar  May 29, 2018 • 1:20:36pm
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meteor  May 29, 2018 • 1:20:52pm

re: #105 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Thank goodness for him.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 1:21:30pm

re: #132 TedStriker

Not that it matters now, because the network made the decision for her.

Right, which is perfectly in keeping with Sara’s cynical willingness to thrust this hateful, racist, mentally ill person back into the national consciousness all because it was profitable. In a lot of ways I see Sara as worse, because she absolutely does know better and all of this was imminently predictable but Sara’s greed and ego led her to value herself more than the harm she was obviously condoning.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 1:21:33pm

re: #137 Belafon

Which is why they wrote about cross-dressing children, understanding neighbors from the Middle East, and had the son married to a black woman.

I realize people here are cynical, but there’s plenty to suggest that what they were trying to do with the show went well beyond the money.

Don’t you see, none of that stuff matters, because it was Roseanne’s show and she’s such a miserable, odious POS IRL that the show needed to be killed, burnt to a crisp, the studio where the show was taped destroyed and the earth where it sat salted, and rest of the cast branded for life.

/sorta

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:21:49pm

re: #141 gocart mozart

Tim Allen’s show was picked up by Fox.

Kevin Sorbo has six projects on his IMDB page listed as “post-production”, two more as “pre-production”, one currently filming, and another one as “announced”.

THAT’S NOT BEING BLACKBALLED

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:24:24pm

re: #140 KGxvi

That is respectable. The thing is, they could have probably done that with a different vehicle. They didn’t necessarily need to go back to the well of Roseanne (a show, that honestly, in its first run lasted a season too long).

I think the reason they chose Roseanne was because it would appeal to a lot of the people they were hoping to communicate with. Not a single one of us needs to hear anything of what they are saying. But they thought they could control the beast.

I wish it had succeeded. There’s no way, around here, someone like me was ever going to be able to get through to people the way a show like that would. And there’s no way you could produce a similar sounding show without having it’s history. It would have been cancelled before you could build up the audience. If the actress were dead, maybe they could have done an after-Roseanne, but not now.

Edit: Most people have forgotten that it kind of dried out. Plus, now she has grandchildren.

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A Mom Anon  May 29, 2018 • 1:24:34pm

re: #140 KGxvi

American entertainment seems obsessed with reboots instead of creating original material. I guess I should narrow that to network and the movie business, but it seems like it’s either a reboot or reality TV and that’s all they have. Unless you can afford Netflix or Amazon or other content providers, there is just a big stagnating pile of blah out there. Like auto tune music only visual.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 1:27:38pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

Right, which is perfectly in keeping with Sara’s cynical willingness to thrust this hateful, racist, mentally ill person back into the national consciousness all because it was profitable. In a lot of ways I see Sara as worse, because she absolutely does know better and all of this was imminently predictable but Sara’s greed and ego led her to value herself more than the harm she was obviously condoning.

I dunno. Sara Gilbert kind of grew up on the original show, and probably sees Roseanne as almost like a family member, like a racist grandmother.

And a meal ticket, obviously.

It’s part of white privilege to be able to overlook racism in people you’re close to, because it’s not directed at you.

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:28:46pm

re: #147 Belafon

I think the reason they chose Roseanne was because it would appeal to a lot of the people they were hoping to communicate with. Not a single one of us needs to hear anything of what they are saying. But they thought they could control the beast.

I wish it had succeeded. There’s no way, around here, someone like me was ever going to be able to get through to people the way a show like that would. And there’s no way you could produce a similar sounding show without having it’s history. It would have been cancelled before you could build up the audience. If the actress were dead, maybe they could have done an after-Roseanne, but not now.

Granted, it’s on a premium network (Showtime) and is an adaptation of a British show, but Shameless did a pretty good job of addressing a lot of the same issues in a clearly working class white family on the south side of Chicago. That said, it might be a bad example because it would not have worked on basic cable let alone network.

I think my point is more that, they didn’t need to use these particular characters to tell the stories they wanted to.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 1:29:40pm

re: #139 BeachDem

For everything you want to know about Keith Davidson and his sleazy cast of characters (allow lots of time—it goes on)

thesmokinggun.com

Well, I guess someone has to do it.

If ‘ambulance chaser’ is a derogatory term for lawyers. This guy seems to be operating at a lower level than that.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 1:29:53pm

re: #106 KGxvi

It’s like Cohen and Davidson weren’t paying attention in law school when they said, “if you’re going to do unlawful/illegal shit, DON’T PUT IT IN WRITING”

they never thought they’d get caught
or found out
they have been operating all this time on the basis that no one would ever know
so why cover your tracks

like speeding on the interstate at 3am, they figured they’d get away with it, and didnt prepare for that 1 in xxx chance that they’d actually get stopped and have to explain…

couple that with the wrath of “the trump empire” dispelling any notion of these “poor needy women” violating one of the ndas

since daniels got a kick-ass lawyer she’s now on equal footing with them all.
and they are shitting bricks (it’s a technical legal term, so im told)

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:30:21pm

re: #141 gocart mozart

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So much talent there.//

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:31:15pm

re: #150 KGxvi

Granted, it’s on a premium network (Showtime) and is an adaptation of a British show, but Shameless did a pretty good job of addressing a lot of the same issues in a clearly working class white family on the south side of Chicago. That said, it might be a bad example because it would not have worked on basic cable let alone network.

I think my point is more that, they didn’t need to use these particular characters to tell the stories they wanted to.

Shameless would have weirded out those around me. They would not have identified with the setting.

But I get your point. I just seen why they went with the premise.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 1:31:28pm

Do you get “racially charged” with a Van de Graaffe generator?

Or do you just grab the leads of your car’s alternator?

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:31:48pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

So much talent there.//

The funny part is, Allen, Sorbo, and even Baldwin are still getting work (Baldwin has a couple things listed on IMDB as post-production) so it’s not like they’re actually being blacklisted.

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BeachDem  May 29, 2018 • 1:32:04pm

re: #146 KGxvi

Tim Allen’s show was picked up by Fox.

Kevin Sorbo has six projects on his IMDB page listed as “post-production”, two more as “pre-production”, one currently filming, and another one as “announced”.

THAT’S NOT BEING BLACKBALLED

And Stephen Baldwin should never have had any projects at all because he is a talentless hack.

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scottslemmons  May 29, 2018 • 1:32:20pm

I’ve got a friend who hit on the idea of making afghans based on the one used on the couch in the original show. She sold several (it took a long time to make each one because they were huge, and she made each by hand) and even sold one to ABC to use for publicity shots.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 1:32:56pm

re: #147 Belafon

I think the reason they chose Roseanne was because it would appeal to a lot of the people they were hoping to communicate with. Not a single one of us needs to hear anything of what they are saying. But they thought they could control the beast.

I wish it had succeeded. There’s no way, around here, someone like me was ever going to be able to get through to people the way a show like that would. And there’s no way you could produce a similar sounding show without having it’s history. It would have been cancelled before you could build up the audience. If the actress were dead, maybe they could have done an after-Roseanne, but not now.

DING DING DING

I won’t go nearly as far as Frank did on Gilbert, but one thing she isn’t is stupid; you have to remember, Gilbert grew up on the set of Roseanne, she knew Roseanne very well, and tried to do right by her and the rest of the cast by helping to bring the show back, even with Roseanne’s cringe-worthy behavior and comments in the intervening twenty years.

I don’t think Gilbert’s intents were “mercenary” or driven by greed or ego because she’s had and continues to have a good career outside of Roseanne, but she did read the tea leaves and no doubt thought a Roseanne revival would work, but there was only one problem, one she no doubt tried to solve or mitigate but ultimately couldn’t: Roseanne herself.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 1:34:20pm

You explain context to a Trumpanzee but you can’t make them understand the concept.

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electrotek  May 29, 2018 • 1:34:32pm
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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:35:16pm

re: #160 gocart mozart

You explain context to a Trumpanzee but you can’t make them understand the concept.

Luckily, you don’t have a show to cancel. //

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:35:18pm

re: #154 Belafon

Shameless would have weirded out those around me. They would not have identified with the setting.

Really? Interesting. It always seems to me that shows are either set in big cities (LA, NY, Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, etc) or fictional small towns.

But I can see your point about using this vehicle. Just wish they’d have come up with something new instead.

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BeachDem  May 29, 2018 • 1:35:32pm

re: #151 ObserverArt

Well, I guess someone has to do it.

If ‘ambulance chaser’ is a derogatory term for lawyers. This guy seems to be operating at a lower level than that.

Subterranean.

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scottslemmons  May 29, 2018 • 1:35:42pm

re: #159 TedStriker

DING DING DING

I won’t go nearly as far as Frank did on Gilbert, but one thing she isn’t is stupid; you have to remember, Gilbert grew up on the set of Roseanne, she knew Roseanne very well, and tried to do right by her and the rest of the cast by helping to bring the show back, even with Roseanne’s cringe-worthy behavior and comment in the intervening twenty years.

I don’t think Gilbert’s intents were “mercenary” or driven by greed or ego, but she did read the tea leaves and no doubt thought a Roseanne revival would work, but there was only one problem, one she no doubt tried to solve or mitigate but ultimately couldn’t: Roseanne herself.

The producers or ABC itself should’ve required Roseanne to shut down her Twitter account. They had to have known something like this could happen — especially since she’s kept tweeting racist shit over and over and over — and they should’ve taken some serious steps to protect their investment in the show.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 1:36:20pm

re: #137 Belafon

Which is why they wrote about cross-dressing children, understanding neighbors from the Middle East, and had the son married to a black woman. //

I realize people here are cynical, but there’s plenty to suggest that what they were trying to do with the show went well beyond the money.

I don’t care about what they were trying to do I care about what they did. They used these cases as thinly developed foils intended to humanize and rehabilitate the racist Trump supporting main character. The entire project was designed from its inception to elevate the cohesiveness of white family members above all other ethical and moral considerations. It was one big dysfunctional Thanksgiving dinner, where everyone fights and argues but realizes they’re family in the end . The moral was how that realization and reconciliation *trumps* the actual violence inherent in the systemic, institutional racism that the real Roseanne Barr champions. The entire endeavor was a toxic whitewash and the real Roseanne’s tweets today and the right’s reaction to the show’s cancellation incinerate any notion that Gilbert’s ill advised Pollyanna attempt to advance or heal the national divide was going to work. It utterly failed if for no other reason than you can’t reliably ally with monsters.

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:36:26pm

There is another show on that does a decent job of showing a family that is kind of close to what a lot of American families go through: The Middle. And look at it’s lead actress.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 1:36:59pm

The alt right trolls that we track here have been spewing dangerous racist rhetoric, vile conspiracy theories and the like for years too and I don’t think anybody is hard-pressed to support their platform. I don’t get why she’d be different. It sends a number of horrible messages to everyone and is particularly shitty to those who her behavior threatens.

They should have done a show without her. That show with her is not some magical talisman to repair broken parts of the electorate.

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:37:04pm

re: #163 KGxvi

Really? Interesting. It always seems to me that shows are either set in big cities (LA, NY, Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, etc) or fictional small towns.

But I can see your point about using this vehicle. Just wish they’d have come up with something new instead.

I’m sorry, I used the wrong word. Not setting, but premise.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:37:13pm

re: #156 KGxvi

The funny part is, Allen, Sorbo, and even Baldwin are still getting work (Baldwin has a couple things listed on IMDB as post-production) so it’s not like they’re actually being blacklisted.

The other funny thing is their hero Reagan actually did support blacklisting or was quiet about it at least.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:37:52pm

re: #157 BeachDem

And Stephen Baldwin should never have had any projects at all because he is a talentless hack.

Biodome nuff said. Alec is a bit of an ass but he’s talented.

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 1:38:29pm

re: #169 Belafon

I’m sorry, I used the wrong word. Not setting, but premise.

Oh, ok. Yeah, that I get. Though I think Shameless would have been a lot more… tame… if it had been on AMC let alone ABC.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 1:39:48pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

I dunno. Sara Gilbert kind of grew up on the original show, and probably sees Roseanne as almost like a family member, like a racist grandmother.

And a meal ticket, obviously.

It’s part of white privilege to be able to overlook racism in people you’re close to, because it’s not directed at you.

Yes, this. This is the fucking problem. And Sara’s approach to that problem was to create a show centered around the idea that white liberals overlooking the racism in people they’re close to is somehow aspirational. It’s not.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:40:44pm

re: #167 Belafon

There is another show on that does a decent job of showing a family that is kind of close to what a lot of American families go through: The Middle. And look at it’s lead actress.

Yep Heaton in fact more of a long time winger than Roseanne is but conservatives are blacklisted.://

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:41:13pm

re: #172 KGxvi

Oh, ok. Yeah, that I get. Though I think Shameless would have been a lot more… tame… if it had been on AMC let alone ABC.

I think the nearly completely absent alcoholic father figure would have been a turn off, though I do have a branch of the family tree that could totally identify with it. Most people’s family dysfunction isn’t quite that severe.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:43:00pm

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

Yes, this. This is the fucking problem. And Sara’s approach to that problem was to create a show centered around the idea that white liberals overlooking the racism in people they’re close to is somehow aspirational. It’s not.

A lot of white liberals unfortunately do this especially if the person is “working class.” You know how I know this? Because I was definitely troubled by the prejudices exhibited by my grandparents. I didn’t stop loving them but I’ve never overlooked it or excused it.

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ericblair  May 29, 2018 • 1:43:10pm

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

Yes, this. This is the fucking problem. And Sara’s approach to that problem was to create a show centered around the idea that white liberals overlooking the racism in people they’re close to is somehow aspirational. It’s not.

Help! We let the leopard into the living room, and tickled her tummy, and scratched her head and told her she was a good girl, and she ate our faces anyway! Who knew!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 1:43:58pm

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

I don’t care about what they were trying to do I care about what they did. They used these cases as thinly developed foils intended to humanize and rehabilitate the racist Trump supporting main character. The entire project was designed from its inception to elevate the cohesiveness of white family members above all other ethical and moral considerations. It was one big dysfunctional Thanksgiving dinner, where everyone fights and argues but realizes they’re family in the end . The moral was how that realization and reconciliation *trumps* the actual violence inherent in the systemic, institutional racism that the real Roseanne Barr champions. The entire endeavor was a toxic whitewash and the real Roseanne’s tweets today and the right’s reaction to the show’s cancellation incinerate any notion that Gilbert’s ill advised Pollyanna attempt to advance or heal the national divide utterly failed if for no other reason than you can’t reliably ally with monsters.

Yup. We don’t care what the motivation was for someone who voted for the Nazi Party in Germany: whether pride, or nationalism, or economic insecurity, or to support the military. We call them Nazis.

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danarchy  May 29, 2018 • 1:45:14pm

re: #156 KGxvi

The funny part is, Allen, Sorbo, and even Baldwin are still getting work (Baldwin has a couple things listed on IMDB as post-production) so it’s not like they’re actually being blacklisted.

just to point out, imdb will list any crappy project a person is working on. It could be one of those crappy christian production companies like kirk cameron keeps doing that are decidedly nothing to do with hollywood. I haven’t looked at the projects in question but I’d be surprisedb if any of those guys (other than Tim Allen) are getting work through any real production companies, mostly because they can’t act, not because they are being blackballed.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:45:46pm

There’s this certain fetishized reality portrayal of the WWC. Sanders was guilty of that and although I admire him, Biden to some degree is too.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 1:46:01pm
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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 1:46:39pm

re: #159 TedStriker

DING DING DING

I won’t go nearly as far as Frank did on Gilbert, but one thing she isn’t is stupid; you have to remember, Gilbert grew up on the set of Roseanne, she knew Roseanne very well, and tried to do right by her and the rest of the cast by helping to bring the show back, even with Roseanne’s cringe-worthy behavior and comments in the intervening twenty years.

I don’t think Gilbert’s intents were “mercenary” or driven by greed or ego, but she did read the tea leaves and no doubt thought a Roseanne revival would work, but there was only one problem, one she no doubt tried to solve or mitigate but ultimately couldn’t: Roseanne herself.

Well, it is very obvious by the blowback you initially got from LGF members that Roseanne was nuclear to many a liberal/progressive sensibility.

So I have a question. If you know more than half of your potential audience in not even going to give it a chance, then to who were you trying to sell the show?

Could she have thought due the rabid Trump base and how passionate they are she could make a go of it on those people?

If that is the case, then the premise you say she had was all wrong, wasn’t it?

But if she thought she could take that slant and make money off the wingnuts, then she was wrong from the get-go and most likely the sympathetic people she was trying to portray to any liberal were going to be seen as jokes to wingnuts.

I admit, I is confused by what the creators were hoping to do.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:47:16pm

re: #179 danarchy

just to point out, imdb will list any crappy project a person is working on. It could be one of those crappy christian production companies like kirk cameron keeps doing that are decidedly nothing to do with hollywood. I haven’t looked at the projects in question but I’d be surprisedb if any of those guys (other than Tim Allen) are getting work through any real production companies, mostly because they can’t act, not because they are being blackballed.

R Lee Ermey claimed he was blackballed but truthfully speaking he was a limited actor. It’s not like these conservative actors are terrific talents. They’re usually people with a niche or little talent.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 1:47:18pm

re: #165 scottslemmons

The producers or ABC itself should’ve required Roseanne to shut down her Twitter account. They had to have known something like this could happen — especially since she’s kept tweeting racist shit over and over and over — and they should’ve taken some serious steps to protect their investment in the show.

re: #166 goddamnedfrank

I don’t care about what they were trying to do I care about what they did. They used these cases as thinly developed foils intended to humanize and rehabilitate the racist Trump supporting main character. The entire project was designed from its inception to elevate the cohesiveness of white family members above all other ethical and moral considerations. It was one big dysfunctional Thanksgiving dinner, where everyone fights and argues but realizes they’re family in the end . The moral was how that realization and reconciliation *trumps* the actual violence inherent in the systemic, institutional racism that the real Roseanne Barr champions. The entire endeavor was a toxic whitewash and the real Roseanne’s tweets today and the right’s reaction to the show’s cancellation incinerate any notion that Gilbert’s ill advised Pollyanna attempt to advance or heal the national divide utterly failed if for no other reason than you can’t reliably ally with monsters.

re: #168 JordanRules

The alt right trolls that we track here have been spewing dangerous racist rhetoric, vile conspiracy theories and the like for years too and I don’t think anybody is hard-pressed to support their platform. I don’t get why she’d be different. It sends a number of horrible messages to everyone and is particularly shitty to those who are her behavior threatens.

They should have done a show without her. That show with her is not some magical talisman to repair broken parts of the electorate.

Instead of cancelling the show outright, ABC, Carsey-Werner, and Gilbert should have done a Valerie/The Hogan Family, fired Roseanne from the series, and killed Roseanne Conner off for the beginning of the second season. It probably wouldn’t have lasted past another season and I don’t know if the rest of the cast would have been down for that, but it would have been an old-college-try attempt to divorce the continuation from Roseanne’s IRL awfulness.

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Renaissance_Man  May 29, 2018 • 1:49:34pm

re: #137 Belafon

Which is why they wrote about cross-dressing children, understanding neighbors from the Middle East, and had the son married to a black woman. //

I realize people here are cynical, but there’s plenty to suggest that what they were trying to do with the show went well beyond the money.

I’m not convinced that having such elements on the show makes it a good thing. Hear me out here.

I understand that many of us here, and people like Sara Gilbert, see a show where racist Trumpers encounter such normal things as interracial marriage, foreign neighbours, and so on, and where the show resolves in a relatively decent way, as a good thing - an opportunity to show these things in a positive light, perhaps even to teach Trumpers (the audience) that such encounters can be humanising and normal. I get that many people on the show probably believe that, and were trying to do that. From that angle, perhaps a show like that was a good thing.

But the problem is, that’s not how it works. Watching Roseanne isn’t going to make a single Trumper more decent. Trumpers are already completely able to have total logical disconnects in their head and at all times in their lives. They can have good relations with their Mexican neighbour and still cheer for violence against Mexican ‘animals’ and for taking their kids away. They can have a daughter who has an abortion and still picket abortion clinics and scream in the face of other women. They can work on a show with their liberal friends and coworkers and happily go through episodes of normal, human interaction with gays and foreigners and still pose as Hitler baking Jew cookies and spread anti-Semitism and racism. The premise of Roseanne - take Trumpers and portray them as normal, everyday people with the potential for good, positive interactions - makes everyone feel better. It makes us feel better for doing outreach, and for treating Trumpers as normal people just like us. It makes Trumpers feel better because they see people like them on TV, having the same interactions they do, being accepted into normal society, and still getting to be as hateful in private and on the internet as they like.

It’s the same premise that is pushed every day in the NYT and the media in general - treat Trumpers as normal, treat their racism and hate as just a political point of view, and as long as we don’t talk about the things we disagree on, we can all be friends. And in private, you can be as liberally liberal as you libs are, and Trumpers can spread anti-Semitism, racism, and vote for monsters, but that’s not what’s important - what’s important is that we can all come together.

As GDF says, politics is not just a polite disagreement between white people. A show like Roseanne pretends it is. Portraying the human side of Trumpers seems like a good thing, but it’s really not. We think it is because we feel a responsibility to reach out to the other side, and they think it is because they want to be accepted as they are, full of hate, rather than ostracised. But all it does is allow us to gloss over their hatred and normalise it. I don’t need to see their human side. I already know they can act like humans in public. It’s how so many of them went hidden in normal society for so long.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 1:50:06pm

re: #184 TedStriker

Yup. I forgot all about The Hogans and that death!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 1:50:35pm

re: #184 TedStriker

Instead of cancelling the show outright, ABC, Carsey-Werner, and Gilbert should have done a Valerie/The Hogan Family, fired Roseanne from the series, and killed Roseanne Conner off for the beginning of the second season. Ii probably wouldn’t have lasted past another season, but it would have been an old-college-try attempt to divorce the continuation from Roseanne’s IRL awfulness.

And thereby excuse Rosanne Barr’s awful racism in pursuit of profit.

Season 1 Episode 16: Rosanne suddenly goes into the hospital after catching an amoeba brain-eating disease, lingers in the hospital for several episodes, then dies. Season ends with the big family funeral and how they’ll go on.

Nope.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:51:50pm

re: #185 Renaissance_Man

I’m not convinced that having such elements on the show makes it a good thing. Hear me out here.

I understand that many of us here, and people like Sara Gilbert, see a show where racist Trumpers encounter such normal things as interracial marriage, foreign neighbours, and so on, and where the show resolves in a relatively decent way, as a good thing - an opportunity to show these things in a positive light, perhaps even to teach Trumpers (the audience) that such encounters can be humanising and normal. I get that many people on the show probably believe that, and were trying to do that. From that angle, perhaps a show like that was a good thing.

But the problem is, that’s not how it works. Watching Roseanne isn’t going to make a single Trumper more decent. Trumpers are already completely able to have total logical disconnects in their head and at all times in their lives. They can have good relations with their Mexican neighbour and still cheer for violence against Mexican ‘animals’ and for taking their kids away. They can have a daughter who has an abortion and still picket abortion clinics and scream in the face of other women. They can work on a show with their liberal friends and coworkers and happily go through episodes of normal, human interaction with gays and foreigners and still pose as Hitler baking Jew cookies and spread anti-Semitism and racism. The premise of Roseanne - take Trumpers and portray them as normal, everyday people with the potential for good, positive interactions - makes everyone feel better. It makes us feel better for doing outreach, and for treating Trumpers as normal people just like us. It makes Trumpers feel better because they see people like them on TV, having the same interactions they do, being accepted into normal society, and still getting to be as hateful in private and on the internet as they like.

It’s the same premise that is pushed every day in the NYT and the media in general - treat Trumpers as normal, treat their racism and hate as just a political point of view, and as long as we don’t talk about the things we disagree on, we can all be friends. And in private, you can be as liberally liberal as you libs are, and Trumpers can spread anti-Semitism, racism, and vote for monsters, but that’s not what’s important - what’s important is that we can all come together.

As GDF says, politics is not just a polite disagreement between white people. A show like Roseanne pretends it is. Portraying the human side of Trumpers seems like a good thing, but it’s really not. We think it is because we feel a responsibility to reach out to the other side, and they think it is because they want to be accepted as they are, full of hate, rather than ostracised. But all it does is allow us to gloss over their hatred and normalise it. I don’t need to see their human side. I already know they can act like humans in public. It’s how so many of them went hidden in normal society for so long.

That’s exactly why I’m not ready to make nice with Trumpers. Well said.

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Renaissance_Man  May 29, 2018 • 1:52:16pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

That’s exactly why I’m not ready to make nice with Trumpers. Well said.

As usual, GDF said the same thing much better and more succinctly.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 1:53:14pm

re: #185 Renaissance_Man

I don’t see a whole lot of difference between the premise of her show and the Nazi next door is just like you article in the New York Times.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 1:53:29pm

re: #189 Renaissance_Man

All of it needed to be said!

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Belafon  May 29, 2018 • 1:54:05pm

So, no one here has ever been influenced by something they saw on a TV show?

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BeachDem  May 29, 2018 • 1:54:19pm

re: #184 TedStriker

See: Cards, House of, season next.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 1:54:26pm

re: #184 TedStriker

Instead of cancelling the show outright, ABC, Carsey-Werner, and Gilbert should have done a Valerie/The Hogan Family, fired Roseanne from the series, and killed Roseanne Conner off for the beginning of the second season. Ii probably wouldn’t have lasted past another season, but it would have been an old-college-try attempt to divorce the continuation from Roseanne’s IRL awfulness.

two and a half men saw it coming with charlie sheen and (my guess) had him written out of the show long before they pulled the trigger. it’s not a stretch - have rose kill him, closed casket, we dont need the actor….

they might have just bumped him off and gracefully ended the show
they were somewhat lucky that the new premise caught on

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:54:47pm

re: #189 Renaissance_Man

As usual, GDF said the same thing much better and more succinctly.

You both did say it well. Anyhow here’s how I feel. I’m a white guy. A heterosexual white guy of Christian origins at that but I have many immigrants in my life. My brother’s wife and her family are. So I can’t politely disagree with people who condone Trump calling them animals. Etc.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2018 • 1:55:57pm

re: #120 gocart mozart

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Is Channing Dungey related to Merrin Dungey from The King of Queens? I suppose I could look it up….

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 1:56:12pm

re: #192 Belafon

So, no one here has ever been influenced by something they saw on a TV show?

Yes. My secret persona is Mighty Mouse.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 1:56:22pm

re: #182 ObserverArt

I admit, I is confused by what the creators were hoping to do.

What we’re all hoping to do, make money. It really is that simple. Goodman is the only one who’s been consistently working and even then he’s pretty much always gotten supporting actor roles. They saw an opportunity to sell nostalgia and comforting familiarity to a white America that was starving for validation, and they took it.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  May 29, 2018 • 1:56:30pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

R Lee Ermey claimed he was blackballed but truthfully speaking he was a limited actor. It’s not like these conservative actors are terrific talents. They’re usually people with a niche or little talent.

The Hollywood market for 70 year old gunnery sergeants didn’t have anything to do with his lack of work?

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 1:57:26pm

The Venn diagram showing RWNJs defending Rosanne and People bitching about NFL players kneeling during the national anthem probably almost perfectly overlaps.

I wonder if any of them have ever seen the video (or have not selectively forgot) of Rosanne signing the National Anthem at a San Diego Padres game back in 1990?

I feel this could be a “NORMAN COORDINATE!” moment.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 1:58:02pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Yes. My secret persona is Mighty Mouse.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:58:05pm

re: #199 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

The Hollywood market for 70 year old gunnery sergeants didn’t have anything to do with his lack of work?

Haha no kidding. He’ll always be Hartman to audiences and the thing is he embraced that until FNC saw that his resentments could be used to push bs.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 1:58:52pm

re: #199 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

The Hollywood market for 70 year old gunnery sergeants didn’t have anything to do with his lack of work?

Ermey basically played the same persona (toned down quite a bit in more family-friendly fare) in almost every role he had, but I will give him props for trying to stretch a bit in Saving Silverman; I thought he was good in that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 1:59:00pm

re: #184 TedStriker

Instead of cancelling the show outright, ABC, Carsey-Werner, and Gilbert should have done a Valerie/The Hogan Family, fired Roseanne from the series, and killed Roseanne Conner off for the beginning of the second season. Ii probably wouldn’t have lasted past another season and I don’t know if the rest of the cast would have been down for that, but it would have been an old-college-try attempt to divorce the continuation from Roseanne’s IRL awfulness.

Arnold Schwarzeneggar shows up at her door in a black biker jacket..

“Sara Conner?”

“Nah. I’m Roseanne Conner.”

“Close enough.”

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 1:59:28pm

re: #204 Blind Frog Belly White

Arnold Schwarzeneggar shows up at her door in a black biker jacket..

“Sara Conner?”

“Nah. I’m Roseanne Conner.”

“Close enough.”

ROFL!

That would have been pure gold.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 1:59:40pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

What we’re all hoping to do, make money. It really is that simple. Goodman is the only one who’s been consistently working and even then he’s pretty much always gotten supporting actor roles. They saw an opportunity to sell nostalgia and comforting familiarity to a white America that was starving for validation, and they took it.

White America hates being reminded of our inherent privileges.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 1:59:54pm

re: #189 Renaissance_Man

As usual, GDF said the same thing much better and more succinctly.

Nah, you nailed it.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:00:40pm

re: #203 TedStriker

Ermey basically played the same persona (toned down quite a bit in more family-friendly fare) in almost every role he had, but I will give him props for trying to stretch a bit in Saving Silverman; I thought he was good in that.

He wasn’t terrible in Mississippi Burning either but he’ll always be Hartman.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:01:42pm

re: #204 Blind Frog Belly White

Arnold Schwarzeneggar shows up at her door in a black biker jacket..

“Sara Conner?”

“Nah. I’m Roseanne Conner.”

“Close enough.”

Speaking of Republican actors, Arnold never complains unlike some of these right wing actors.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:03:12pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

He wasn’t terrible in Mississippi Burning either but he’ll always be Hartman.

If anything, Ermey wasn’t “blackballed” for being conservative, he was simply typecast, something that happens to a lot of actors, no matter what their political persuasion is; he just didn’t try enough or have the inherent chops to break that, so he continued to do what paid the bills.

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Renaissance_Man  May 29, 2018 • 2:03:59pm

re: #192 Belafon

So, no one here has ever been influenced by something they saw on a TV show?

We all have been. But Roseanne isn’t going to make a single Trumper more decent. What’s going to influence them more - a five minute denouement once a week on Roseanne or eighteen hours a day of FOX and Facebook?

Furthermore, many Trumpers probably already do exactly what they see on Roseanne - they talk nicely to their Muslim neighbour, they have coffee with their gay coworker, and then they get on Twitter or Facebook, spread racism and hate, and vote for Trump. An accurate portrayal of themselves on national TV isn’t going to make them a better person.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:04:34pm

re: #210 TedStriker

If anything, Ermey wasn’t “blackballed” for being conservative, he was simply typecast, something that happens to a lot of actors, no matter what the political persuasion is; he just didn’t try enough or have the inherent chops to break that.

Right. And it’s unfortunate but it had nothing to do with his views. Gary Oldman is right wing and honestly a right wing asshole. He doesn’t have trouble finding projects.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:04:58pm

Off-topic: Buttholegate (referring to a Wonkette article that blew up about a vegan restaurant allowing their naked toddler to run around in the restaurant, which drew a complaint from a customer, and they turned into Barbara Streisand) is blowing up again.

They went after another customer who made a complaint about them, by trying to shame them all over social media.

wonkette.com

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 2:05:13pm

re: #192 Belafon

So, no one here has ever been influenced by something they saw on a TV show?

Not if I don’t watch it.

Chances are good wingnuts are not going to change.

So with over half your potential audience not watching, another 30% never going to change because of the show, you may have 5% of the potential audience maybe coming to grips with the issue and thinking about it.

Not a lot to build a national TV show on and a very slim chance to make any kind of a political/social change.

And truthfully there is a big difference in TV shows. I think you need to designate a sitcom versus news, documentary, etc.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:06:03pm

What will teach Trumpers? Not having FNC or right wing radio on telling them of their supposed superiority and being “True Americans” and victims of liberal elites.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:06:28pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Republican actors, Arnold never complains unlike some of these right wing actors.

Because Arnold wasn’t and never has been a “conservative”, he’s more middle-of-the-road; he married into the Kennedy family, ferchrissakes.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:07:16pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Right. And it’s unfortunate but it had nothing to do with his views. Gary Oldman is right wing and honestly a right wing asshole. He doesn’t have trouble finding projects.

Because the man can fucking act his ass off.

Him and Daniel Day Lewis, as a couple of examples, are true masters of their craft, complete chameleons on the screen.

You’ll never get the same performance in different movies from either one of them

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:07:38pm

re: #216 TedStriker

Because Arnold wasn’t and never has been a “conservative”, he’s more middle-of-the-road; he married into the Kennedy family, ferchrissakes.

True. Tom Selleck? Gary Sinise? Maybe better picks. I actually really respect the work Sinise does with vets.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 2:08:31pm
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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 2:09:03pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

What we’re all hoping to do, make money. It really is that simple. Goodman is the only one who’s been consistently working and even then he’s pretty much always gotten supporting actor roles. They saw an opportunity to sell nostalgia and comforting familiarity to a white America that was starving for validation, and they took it.

In other words you are saying that trying to change people’s political thinking was never what it was about.

Was this some ‘selling’ to get reluctant liberals/progressives to buy in?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:09:34pm

re: #217 TedStriker

Because the man can fucking act his ass off.

That’s my point. Conservative actors who can’t get roles aren’t getting roles because they’re conservative, they’re not getting those roles because they’re one dimensional often.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:10:19pm

re: #214 ObserverArt

Not if I don’t watch it.

Chances are good wingnuts are not going to change.

So with over half your potential audience not watching, another 30% never going to change because of the show, you may have 5% of the potential audience maybe coming to grips with the issue and thinking about it.

Not a lot to build a national TV show on and a very slim chance to make any kind of a political/social change.

And truthfully there is a big difference in TV shows. I think you need to designate a sitcom versus news, documentary, etc.

One wonders how many right-wingers were influenced by “All in the Family.” While there might have been a few, I suspect the percentage is within the margin-of-error of 0%.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 29, 2018 • 2:11:42pm

re: #213 Anymouse 🌹

Off-topic: Buttholegate (referring to a Wonkette article that blew up about a vegan restaurant allowing their naked toddler to run around in the restaurant, which drew a complaint from a customer, and they turned into Barbara Streisand) is blowing up again.

They went after another customer who made a complaint about them, by trying to shame them all over social media.

wonkette.com

Really funny comments on that one.

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JordanRules  May 29, 2018 • 2:12:22pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yes!!

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2018 • 2:12:23pm
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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 2:12:45pm

re: #216 TedStriker

Because Arnold wasn’t and never has been a “conservative”, he’s more middle-of-the-road; he married into the Kennedy family, ferchrissakes.

When Phil Angelides ran against Schwarzenegger in 2006, he ran on claiming that Arnold was a far-right whack job that made George W. Bush look like Jimmy Carter in comparison. It was cartoonishly bad… clown shoes… and he deserved to get his ass kicked in that election because of it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 2:13:07pm
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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 2:14:24pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

That’s my point. Conservative actors who can’t get roles aren’t getting roles because they’re conservative, they’re not getting those roles because they’re one dimensional often.

AFAIK, Gary Oldman and Gary Sinese don’t bend over backwards to be assholes on the internet either.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:14:39pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Stopped clock moment for Frank but Frank, is it gonna be for your Republican focus group voters?

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 2:15:12pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

One wonders how many right-wingers were influenced by “All in the Family.” While there might have been a few, I suspect the percentage is within the margin-of-error of 0%.

My bigoted uncle in small town Ohio loved that show. He never got the premise and it sure as hell didn’t change him. He saw Archie as a hero.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 29, 2018 • 2:15:13pm

re: #213 Anymouse 🌹

Off-topic: Buttholegate (referring to a Wonkette article that blew up about a vegan restaurant allowing their naked toddler to run around in the restaurant, which drew a complaint from a customer, and they turned into Barbara Streisand) is blowing up again.

They went after another customer who made a complaint about them, by trying to shame them all over social media.

wonkette.com

From comments:

Two Corinthians walk into a Vegan Baby Butthole Restaurant.

Corinthian One: I’ll have the Tofuburger with all the trimmings.

Corinthian Two: I’ll have the All-Celery Salad with the artisanal nation-state-unaffiliated dressing.

Later, after the bill arrives:

Corinthian One: Hey, you charged me fifty cents for the trimmings.

Corinthian Two: Hey, you charged me fifty cents for the dressing.

Restaurateur: How dare you impugn our pricing! Trimmings and dressing come with consequences. I’ll have your guts for garters on the innertubes.

Corinthian One: This is just like a Trump staff meeting, except for the pussy grabbing.

Corinthian Two: Incoming!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:15:26pm

re: #228 Jack Burton

AFAIK, Gary Oldman and Gary Sinese don’t bend over backwards to be assholes on the internet either.

Definitely. Same thing with Selleck. A lot of prominent conservative entertainers are assholes as well.

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scottslemmons  May 29, 2018 • 2:15:55pm

re: #203 TedStriker

Ermey basically played the same persona (toned down quite a bit in more family-friendly fare) in almost every role he had, but I will give him props for trying to stretch a bit in Saving Silverman; I thought he was good in that.

I got a friend who dearly loved him as the incredibly mild-mannered police sergeant in “Seven”…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2018 • 2:15:57pm

re: #157 BeachDem

And Stephen Baldwin should never have had any projects at all because he is a talentless hack.

Actually, he was born to play Barney Rubble in Viva Rock Vegas.

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Dr. Matt  May 29, 2018 • 2:16:50pm

The markets officially shit the bed today: -391.64 (-1.58%)

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:16:53pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

One wonders how many right-wingers were influenced by “All in the Family.” While there might have been a few, I suspect the percentage is within the margin-of-error of 0%.

And you could levy many of the same charges Frank and others have above against it as they have against Roseanne, yet AitF is seen as a cultural touchstone of the 70s. It certain helps that Lear, O’Connor, Struthers, and Reiner were very active liberals, as Gilbert, Goodman, and much of the principal cast of Roseanne are/tend to be, but the X-factor that just couldn’t be negated was Roseanne herself.

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 2:17:12pm

re: #234 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Actually, he was born to play Barney Rubble in Viva Rock Vegas.

He may very well thought he was in a documentary.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:17:15pm

re: #226 Jack Burton

When Phil Angelides ran against Schwarzenegger in 2006, he ran on claiming that Arnold was a far-right whack job that made George W. Bush look like Jimmy Carter in comparison. It was cartoonishly bad… clown shoes… and he deserved to get his ass kicked in that election because of it.

I was wondering why Arnold won so big in a very Democratic year. Anyhow I thought Arnold was wrong for that job but he’s not a bad guy or bad on the issues.

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scottslemmons  May 29, 2018 • 2:17:31pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Definitely. Same thing with Selleck. A lot of prominent conservative entertainers are assholes as well.

Gotta say, I’ve never seen a bad talk show interview with Selleck. He’s got tons of charm and wit and humor, and he doesn’t have much trouble getting the audience eating out of his hand. :)

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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 2:18:11pm

Television as we used to know it - defined by broadcast channels grouped under the umbrellas of a few large networks - is going away.

Every year the percentage of American households who are tuned into primetime shows on the largest networks declines.

Roseanne was an interesting, from a business view, attempt at getting a hit show that did the number of viewers akin to what networks used to pull 20 to 30 years ago.

That DisneyABC so quickly turned off her show tells us that the network is aware that any negative press is just too much to bear, in the current business of television.

While the reboot show got good numbers as desired, that was never going to remain. All shows decline and Roseanne is no exception.

Also, it is pretty clear that social media now is more influential than viewer numbers.

Selling advertising in the goal, and that more potential customers for advertisers are to be found outside of broadcast television will be the doom of broadcast shows having the value they once did.

And, the people watching many of the current network shows are old, very old. The imbalance in age groups watching TV is quite noticeable.

Advertisers know these things.

And the old racists who want to defend Roseanne are just not important to the millions of young people who, if offended, will just never turn off ABC and go to Youtube or Twitch or whatever.

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CongoJack  May 29, 2018 • 2:19:30pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Met Arnold at a BBQ place in Loveland, CO. Just happened to be in front of me and the Mrs in line (which we were the only people there). Arnold was nice (great to the staff and tipped a couple hundred bucks). The funny thing is he ate 2 pieces of pie at the counter waiting for his to go order of 10 lbs of BBQ. On his way out he bought 3 more pieces of pie.

Was a good day.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 2:19:34pm

re: #231 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

From comments:

still laughing at this: “artisanal nation-state-unaffiliated dressing.”

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:19:44pm

re: #239 scottslemmons

Gotta say, I’ve never seen a bad talk show interview with Selleck. He’s got tons of charm and wit and humor, and he doesn’t have much trouble getting the audience eating out of his hand. :)

I still remember my mom, no conservative not liking how Rosie O’Donnell treated him in an interview. The funny thing was my conservative friends liked Rosie in the mid 90’s but I found her obnoxious. Trump’s attacks on her are still pathetic of course.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:20:37pm

re: #241 CongoJack

Met Arnold at a BBQ place in Loveland, CO. Just happened to be in front of me and the Mrs in line (which we were the only people there). Arnold was nice (great to the staff and tipped a couple hundred bucks). The funny thing is he ate 2 pieces of pie at the counter waiting for his to go order of 10 lbs of BBQ. On his way out he bought 3 more pieces of pie.

Was a good day.

Hey, who doesn’t love BBQ and pie?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:21:08pm

re: #241 CongoJack

Met Arnold at a BBQ place in Loveland, CO. Just happened to be in front of me and the Mrs in line (which we were the only people there). Arnold was nice (great to the staff and tipped a couple hundred bucks). The funny thing is he ate 2 pieces of pie at the counter waiting for his to go order of 10 lbs of BBQ. On his way out he bought 3 more pieces of pie.

Was a good day.

I like how Arnold realizes what the American Dream is. There’s a lot of Republican immigrants who forget that but Arnold isn’t one of them. In fact, I think he’s in the wrong party and I’d have no problem letting him know that.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:21:57pm

re: #244 TedStriker

Hey, who doesn’t love BBQ and pie?

Trump maybe. The man does hate dogs. That should have been everyone’s first clue that Donald sucks.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:22:20pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Trump maybe. The man does hate dogs. That should have been everyone’s first clue that Donald sucks.

True, true…

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 2:22:30pm

re: #179 danarchy

just to point out, imdb will list any crappy project a person is working on. It could be one of those crappy christian production companies like kirk cameron keeps doing that are decidedly nothing to do with hollywood. I haven’t looked at the projects in question but I’d be surprisedb if any of those guys (other than Tim Allen) are getting work through any real production companies, mostly because they can’t act, not because they are being blackballed.

Sorbo had a three episode run on Supergirl last season, so he’s getting some mainstream work. As for the rest of it, in the industry, work is work.

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CongoJack  May 29, 2018 • 2:23:03pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I did tell him thank you for standing up to Trump and just smiled and gave me the thumbs up and left with his assistant.. and of course the bbq. We laugh every time we see Arnold on TV.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 29, 2018 • 2:23:13pm

Wonkette is hot today:
UPDATED: A Children’s Treasury Of All The Non-Gun Things Conservatives Think Cause Mass Shootings

…and so are the comments:

For God’s sake, do not Google “grocery store porn” out of curiosity. You won’t see the produce department in a wholesome way ever again. Fair warning.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:23:26pm

re: #247 TedStriker

True, true…

I mean damn. First president since Polk without any pets. Even Nixon liked dogs. Nixon.

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steve_davis  May 29, 2018 • 2:23:28pm

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

I checked out Roseanne’s Twitter timeline and it is every bit as toxic as you would expect from a racist nazi shitgoblin.

Here she defends her Hitler cookies photo shoot claiming she is making fun of “Hitler.”

Nope, if you were making fun of Hitler you would be dressed up as a Holocaust survivor holding a plate of Hitler cookies.

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it isn’t even that. the producers had a chorus line of brown shirts for Springtime for HItler and Germany. It’s the jewish ginger men getting pulled out of an oven that shows either utter historical obliviousness or a vicious attempt at humor

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:23:31pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I like how Arnold realizes what the American Dream is. There’s a lot of Republican immigrants who forget that but Arnold isn’t one of them. In fact, I think he’s in the wrong party and I’d have no problem letting him know that.

Having married into the Kennedy family, I suppose he’s always been “Dem-curious” but was a Republican primarily for the taxes.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2018 • 2:23:35pm

re: #165 scottslemmons

The producers or ABC itself should’ve required Roseanne to shut down her Twitter account. They had to have known something like this could happen — especially since she’s kept tweeting racist shit over and over and over — and they should’ve taken some serious steps to protect their investment in the show.

I’m glad they didn’t. I’m sure they thought her racist tweets would build up the audience, but she’d never go that far.

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 2:23:39pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I was wondering why Arnold won so big in a very Democratic year. Anyhow I thought Arnold was wrong for that job but he’s not a bad guy or bad on the issues.

Now I generally agree on that. As for 2006, Angelides ran 2 types of ads. “Arnold is a right wing nut job” and “Arnold is a servant of the Bush Administration and only does their bidding”.

And then they wondered why he only got 39% of the vote.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 2:24:04pm

re: #244 TedStriker

Hey, who doesn’t love BBQ and pie?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:24:07pm

re: #249 CongoJack

I did tell him thank you for standing up to Trump and just smiled and gave me the thumbs up and left with his assistant.. and of course the bbq. We laugh every time we see Arnold on TV.

He’s a good dude. He’s able to laugh at himself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 2:25:06pm

re: #185 Renaissance_Man

America is still coming to terms with what Trump’s election means. Not the Trump being President part, but the part where a guy who’s as openly racist as that is acceptable to so many Americans. White folks with Trumpers among their friends and family are trying to make nice, to pretend it’s all normal. Single Trumpers are wondering why nobody wants to date them. Many, many people don’t want to accept what it means.

So, you have “Roseanne”, with a family that disagrees about politics but they still get along. Heartwarming.

And to make us all one big happy family, they toss in transgender, black, Muslim folks etc, who all are ‘just regular folks’. And of course, Roseanne gets to know them and like them, but doesn’t say, “Holy shit! I was so wrong about these people! I can’t believe I voted for a guy who wanted to ban all of them!”, because the basic attitude doesn’t change.

I think this phenomenon is called, “You’re one of the good ones”, as in, “Black people are too lazy and dependent. Not you (insert name of black acquaintance), you’re one of the good ones.” It allows them to keep their prejudices untouched, while stillbeing friends with one of Those People.

Now, maybe if they had an episode where the black daughter-in-law wouldn’t come to the Conner’s house, and when Roseanne finally goes over there to ask why, DIL tells here that she couldn’t stand associating with someone who would choose a man like Trump for President, and describe why. And then Roseanne realizes how racist Trump is, and how racist SHE is, and that she made a horrible mistake in voting for him.

But no, they wouldn’t do that, because it would take away from the ‘one big happy family’ narrative.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 2:25:17pm

yeah, I’d wage good money he tweets about Roseanne by tomorrow morning

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:25:35pm
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mmmirele  May 29, 2018 • 2:26:19pm

re: #106 KGxvi

It’s like Cohen and Davidson weren’t paying attention in law school when they said, “if you’re going to do unlawful/illegal shit, DON’T PUT IT IN WRITING”

I don’t remember hearing that in law school. However, I went in the days when the Internet was something used by geeks on college campuses. You might have have a bulky word processor in the office, but certainly not email. Hell, printers used continuous farm feed paper that you had to tear the holes off after printing.

I suspect this is very much a modern problem.

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 2:26:23pm

My Bachelor’s Degree is a *really* expensive Arnold Schwarzenegger autograph.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:26:30pm

re: #253 TedStriker

Having married into the Kennedy family, I suppose he’s always been “Dem-curious” but was a Republican for the taxes.

Not sure but in any case, I like him. Always did get annoyed when more far lefties tried to use the fact his father was a Nazi as an attack on him because let’s face it, we shouldn’t be punished by our parents sins and Arnold has never been a racist.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:27:26pm

re: #262 Jack Burton

My Bachelor’s Degree is a *really* expensive Arnold Schwarzenegger autograph.

Still, how cool is that?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2018 • 2:27:50pm
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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 2:28:17pm

re: #258 Blind Frog Belly White

I think this phenomenon is called, “You’re one of the good ones”, as in, “Black people are too lazy and dependent. Not you (insert name of black acquaintance), you’re one of the good ones.” It allows them to keep their prejudices untouched, while stillbeing friends with one of Those People.

yes this

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:28:22pm

re: #255 Jack Burton

Now I generally agree on that. As for 2006, Angelides ran 2 types of ads. “Arnold is a right wing nut job” and “Arnold is a servant of the Bush Administration and only does their bidding”.

And then they wondered why he only got 39% of the vote.

I knew a lot of Californians who liked Angelides as an office holder. Lost touch by 2006 though. Definitely a bad strategy though.

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MsJ  May 29, 2018 • 2:28:32pm

re: #157 BeachDem

And Stephen Baldwin should never have had any projects at all because he is a talentless hack.

Is that the guy from Firefly?

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Dr. Matt  May 29, 2018 • 2:28:46pm

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

Has fox business bought the rights to air the reruns yet?

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CongoJack  May 29, 2018 • 2:28:55pm

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

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Aaannnddd there go the residuals.

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scottslemmons  May 29, 2018 • 2:29:10pm

re: #182 ObserverArt

Well, it is very obvious by the blowback you initially got from LGF members that Roseanne was nuclear to many a liberal/progressive sensibility.

So I have a question. If you know more than half of your potential audience in not even going to give it a chance, then to who were you trying to sell the show?

I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But I do want to say maybe they wanted to sell the show to… new audiences.

This is sorta related to something that’s been burning up the Angry Nerd demographic on Twitter lately. They announced a new ThunderCats cartoon, and the art style is a lot more like Steven Universe than the old Masters of the Universe look of the original cartoon. So the Angry Nerds are angry because Their Childhood Has Been Ruined, and they overlook the fact that the old cartoon would never appear on a modern network, because most viewers, who are younger than the Generation X’ers who grew up on the cartoon, would hate the look of it.

So you can make a show into a vehicle for Pure Hardcore Nostalgia, or you can gun for a new, larger audience while hoping to pick up a few nostalgia viewers along the way.

I think the Roseanne producers gambled that nostalgia would bring the old viewers back while letting the new style of the show attract more viewers who weren’t familiar with the original. The cards initially fell their way, until they didn’t.

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steve_davis  May 29, 2018 • 2:29:14pm

re: #55 The Vicious Babushka

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I don’t use rye in the actual sourdough, but I use it to keep the starter going. the yeast absolutely loves it.

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CongoJack  May 29, 2018 • 2:29:46pm

re: #268 MsJ

Is that the guy from Firefly?

Different Baldwin.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2018 • 2:29:49pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:29:56pm

re: #268 MsJ

Is that the guy from Firefly?

You’re thinking of Adam. Stephen is Alec’s born again brother who is best known for Biodome. Adam isn’t related. He’s talented from what I hear but a major douche.

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 2:30:16pm

re: #268 MsJ

Is that the guy from Firefly?

No that’s Adam Baldwin. I think he’s a RWNJ as well.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:30:42pm

re: #276 Jack Burton

No that’s Adam Baldwin. I think he’s a RWNJ as well.

He is. Hides behind but I’m a libertarian!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 2:30:47pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:30:55pm

What a Two For Tuesday!

Roseanne canned and Governor 50 Shades Of Kink resigns!

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Stanley Sea  May 29, 2018 • 2:30:56pm

Fuck yeah, the pig resigned!

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jaunte  May 29, 2018 • 2:32:03pm

We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let’s start giving
There’s a chance we’re taking
We’re taking our own lives

It’s true we’ll make a brighter whiter day
Just you and me

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2018 • 2:32:12pm

re: #278 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So what position is Trump going to appoint him to? Guesses, anyone?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:32:51pm

Rachel and her staff are now in their third rewrite of today’s show…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 2:33:05pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:33:13pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

So what position is Trump going to appoint him to? Guesses, anyone?

VA?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:33:30pm

re: #236 TedStriker

And you could levy many of the same charges Frank and others have above against it as they have against Roseanne, yet AitF is seen as a cultural touchstone of the 70s. It certain helps that Lear, O’Connor, Struthers, and Reiner were very active liberals, as Gilbert, Goodman, and much of the principal cast of Roseanne are/tend to be, but the X-factor that just couldn’t be negated was Roseanne herself.

Carroll O’Connor wasn’t a bigot, he just played one on TV.

Rosanne Barr is a bigot and played one on TV.

The first was a comedy and the second was a documentary.

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Skip Intro  May 29, 2018 • 2:33:40pm

re: #281 jaunte

I thought I read above that he was “busy”. I guess he always has time for a reach around from the fascists.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:33:45pm

re: #282 Skip Intro

So what position is Trump going to appoint him to? Guesses, anyone?

I doubt it will be a MISSIONARY position! 😉

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mmmirele  May 29, 2018 • 2:34:34pm

re: #151 ObserverArt

Well, I guess someone has to do it.

If ‘ambulance chaser’ is a derogatory term for lawyers. This guy seems to be operating at a lower level than that.

I haven’t looked at this yet, so can’t come up with a descriptor for Davidson, but there is a lower legal life form than “ambulance chaser.” It is legal profiteers aka the lawyers who are scaring middle-aged women into unnecessary surgeries to remove pelvic mesh.

mobile.nytimes.com

Now I will see what Davidson has been up to.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:34:49pm

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

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I can’t say that I’m surprised that all networks are bailing on not only the Roseanne continuation, but also the syndicated first run; it’s rather quick how it’s going down. There’s going to be quite a few actors from the show that haven’t had as much steady work as Goodman, Gilbert, Metcalf, or even Sarah Chalke (who’s also in Rick & Morty and Speechless) has over the years that have gotten quite a bit of income from their Roseanne residuals, which are basically worthless now.

I hope they show up at her house with torches and pitchforks.

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jaunte  May 29, 2018 • 2:34:56pm

re: #287 Skip Intro

Maybe they’re going to start holding Trump rallies where he just calls in like on Fox & Friends.

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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 2:35:20pm

re: #274 teleskiguy

NFL television rights are spread over several networks, making “cancellation” problematic.

For example, Fox recently picked up the Thursday Night Football broadcast starting 2019. However, CBS still does Sunday games.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 2:35:29pm

re: #261 mmmirele

I don’t remember hearing that in law school. However, I went in the days when the Internet was something used by geeks on college campuses. You might have have a bulky word processor in the office, but certainly not email. Hell, printers used continuous farm feed paper that you had to tear the holes off after printing.

I suspect this is very much a modern problem.

in ‘cpa school’ by which i mean college and the first few years of practice / experience two things were drilled:

one was definitely don’t write it down unless…

the other was, contrarily, if you don’t document it, then it didnt happen

back then (in the 70’s / early 80’s) when conference calling was getting popular we also had a procedure at the end of a call if i needed to keep talking to one party - was to hang up and end the call and call back. never rely on ”the system” properly dropping the other guys

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jaunte  May 29, 2018 • 2:35:36pm

But then he couldn’t mainline the cheers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 2:35:57pm

re: #217 TedStriker

Because the man can fucking act his ass off.

Him and Daniel Day Lewis, as a couple of examples, are true masters of their craft, complete chameleons on the screen.

You’ll never get the same performance in different movies from either one of them

When I watched “Last of the Mohicans”, it was so hard to believe that Cecil from “A Room With A View” was Hawkeye. Then I saw him in “Gangs of New York”, and he was neither one of them.

Yeah, I know. It’s called “Acting”. But most actors, you always see the commonality between roles. Oldman and Lewis, you don’t.

As an aside, Mrs. FBW and I have been enjoying “A Series Of Unfortunate Events” on Netflix, with Neil Patrick Harris as Count Olaf. We were comparing his performance with Jim Carrey’s Count Olaf from the movie. Carrey’s Count Olaf is really hard to see in each of the characters he pretends to be, but in Harris’s, it’s always obviously the same guy. But you see, Count Olaf is supposed to be a BAD actor, so he SHOULD always be obviously Count Olaf, except to all the stupid adults around the Beaudelaires.

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BeachDem  May 29, 2018 • 2:37:24pm

re: #240 freetoken

The only week “Roseanne” wasn’t the #1 show in the demo (18-49) was the week of “The Big Bang” finale. That’s what disturbed me most about the show—that it did so well among young peeps.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:37:49pm

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

When I watched “Last of the Mohicans”, it was so hard to believe that Cecil from “A Room With A View” was Hawkeye. Then I saw him in “Gangs of New York”, and he was neither one of them.

Yeah, I know. It’s called “Acting”. But most actors, you always see the commonality between roles. Oldman and Lewis, you don’t.

As an aside, Mrs. FBW and I have been enjoying “A Series Of Unfortunate Events” on Netflix, with Neil Patrick Harris as Count Olaf. We were comparing his performance with Jim Carrey’s Count Olaf from the movie. Carrey’s Count Olaf is really hard to see in each of the characters he pretends to be, but in Harris’s, it’s always obviously the same guy. But you see, Count Olaf is supposed to be a BAD actor, so he SHOULD always be obviously Count Olaf, except to all the stupid adults around the Beaudelaires.

DDL is one of the best ever.

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dangerman  May 29, 2018 • 2:37:59pm

re: #283 Joe Bacon 🌹

Rachel and her staff are now in their third rewrite of today’s show…

i am convinced SNL no longer starts writing anything until late friday nights

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jaunte  May 29, 2018 • 2:38:02pm
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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:38:15pm

re: #296 BeachDem

The only week “Roseanne” wasn’t the #1 show in the demo (18-49) was the week of “The Big Bang” finale. That’s what disturbed me most about the show—that it did so well among young peeps.

Hype sells unfortunately.

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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 2:39:07pm

When journalism fails science:

Half Mammal, Half Reptile Discovered In Utah

It may have weighed only 2 1/2 pounds and stood about 6 inches tall, but the discovery of a half mammal, half reptile’s skull in eastern Utah has huge implications for geologic timelines.

[…]

No. The animal was not half-mammal, half-reptile.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 2:39:18pm

re: #244 TedStriker

Hey, who doesn’t love BBQ and pie?

I have met people who don’t like pie, hard as that may be to believe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 2:40:18pm

re: #301 freetoken

When journalism fails science:

Half Mammal, Half Reptile Discovered In Utah

No. The animal was not half-mammal, half-reptile.

She walks, she talks, she crawls on her belly like a reptile!

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:40:21pm

re: #299 jaunte

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DING DING DING

The other thing I’d disagree with in that tweet is that Roseanne has learned a lesson in all of this; she ain’t learning shit and DGAF.

(I see he took my Valerie/The Hogan Family idea….)

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:41:58pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

I have met people who don’t like pie, hard as that may be to believe.

What planet were they from?

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 2:42:17pm

re: #290 TedStriker

I can’t say that I’m surprised that all networks are bailing on not only the Roseanne continuation, but also the syndicated first run; it’s rather quick how it’s going down. There’s going to be quite a few actors from the show that haven’t had as much steady work as Goodman, Gilbert, Metcalf, or even Sarah Chalke (who’s also in Rick & Morty and Speechless) has over the years that have gotten quite a bit of income from their Roseanne residuals, which are basically worthless now.

I hope they show up at her house with torches and pitchforks.

I think my house singlehandedly pays her residuals from Scrubs considering how many times we’ve watched it in re-runs and on streaming services.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 2:42:21pm

So, he’s going with the “I didn’t do anything wrong” resignation

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blueraven  May 29, 2018 • 2:42:24pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

Fuck yeah, the pig resigned!

Good! but bad in a way. I think the scandal was helping Claire McCaskill not lose to the “R” candidate for Senate.

Let’s hope we can keep that seat!

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Renaissance_Man  May 29, 2018 • 2:42:50pm

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

Carroll O’Connor wasn’t a bigot, he just played one on TV.

Rosanne Barr is a bigot and played one on TV.

The first was a comedy and the second was a documentary.

Furthermore, as we’re seeing now, a lot of ‘cultural touchstones’ of the past fifty years in American culture have also been about perpetuating the dominance of the white, middle-class male. I didn’t watch All in the Family, but the bits I’ve seen of it tell me that it’s no different.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 29, 2018 • 2:43:05pm

re: #182 ObserverArt

Well, it is very obvious by the blowback you initially got from LGF members that Roseanne was nuclear to many a liberal/progressive sensibility.

So I have a question. If you know more than half of your potential audience in not even going to give it a chance, then to who were you trying to sell the show?
……

I have to challenge you there. Many shows may turn off a large percentage of the potential audience — for example, more than half the population is not interested in science fiction or family comedies or police dramas etc ( a different half in each case). You are never going to develop a show with a loyal fanbase if you try to satisfy everyone. You develop a show that will appeal to a certain audience and then hope that you attract enough viewers to keep the show on the air.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:43:18pm

re: #306 Jack Burton

I think my house singlehandedly pays her residuals from Scrubs considering how many times we’ve watched it in re-runs and on streaming services.

Shit, I forgot she was in the entire run of Scrubs too.

*smacks forehead*

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jaunte  May 29, 2018 • 2:43:26pm

re: #307 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 2:44:04pm

re: #296 BeachDem

The only week “Roseanne” wasn’t the #1 show in the demo (18-49) was the week of “The Big Bang” finale. That’s what disturbed me most about the show—that it did so well among young peeps.

Relative to other shows it did well.

However, as a portion of the of the US population compared to portion of viewers, the younger demo is less likely to watch any broadcast television.

Also, look at the three different breakdowns of age groups, 18-34, 18-49, 25-54. The show did much worse in the 18-34 group than it did in the 25-54:

showbuzzdaily.com

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:44:53pm

re: #313 freetoken

Relative to other shows it did well.

However, as a portion of the of the US population compared to portion of viewers, the younger demo is less likely to watch any broadcast television.

Also, look at the three different breakdowns of age groups, 18-34, 18-49, 25-54. The show did much worse in the 18-34 group than it did in the 25-54:

showbuzzdaily.com

I hardly ever ever watch live TV anymore.

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Dr. Matt  May 29, 2018 • 2:45:14pm

Trump should golf more

Imagine if President Trump signed his signature tax-cut legislation last December—and then resolved to keep his hands off the economy, unless there was an emergency.

It’s likely the stock market, which is down for the year, would be up handsomely instead. The United States would be getting along with its allies instead of picking trade fights with most of them. CEOs would be more confident, and farmers wouldn’t be worrying about getting shut out of important foreign markets. Republican odds of keeping control of Congress next year would probably be higher.

That’s not what is happening. As an encore to his tax-cut legislation, which businesses generally applauded, Trump has spent 2018 threatening tariffmania, which businesses generally condemn. Trump’s latest move, announced May 29, is a vow to impose tariffs of 25% on $50 billion of Chinese technology imports, beginning in mid-June. That news contributed to a stock market selloff (as did political chaos in Italy.)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:45:25pm

okaaaay …

My wife is watching a documentary on the ketogenic diet (used to control certain types of epilepsy by substituting almost all carbohydrates with fats). I am partly on that diet (I eat very few carbohydrates in combination with my medication, as prescribed by physicians).

It appears that some doofus quacks are promoting this as a cure for diabetes and cancer. (The hypothesis is that fewer carbohydrates means less need for insulin).

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 2:46:21pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

What planet were they from?

They SAID Earth. But I dunno….

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BeachDem  May 29, 2018 • 2:46:34pm

re: #268 MsJ

Is that the guy from Firefly?

Nope—that’s Adam Baldwin—no relation to the other Baldwin brothers.

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blueraven  May 29, 2018 • 2:46:57pm

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

When I watched “Last of the Mohicans”, it was so hard to believe that Cecil from “A Room With A View” was Hawkeye. Then I saw him in “Gangs of New York”, and he was neither one of them.

Yeah, I know. It’s called “Acting”. But most actors, you always see the commonality between roles. Oldman and Lewis, you don’t.

As an aside, Mrs. FBW and I have been enjoying “A Series Of Unfortunate Events” on Netflix, with Neil Patrick Harris as Count Olaf. We were comparing his performance with Jim Carrey’s Count Olaf from the movie. Carrey’s Count Olaf is really hard to see in each of the characters he pretends to be, but in Harris’s, it’s always obviously the same guy. But you see, Count Olaf is supposed to be a BAD actor, so he SHOULD always be obviously Count Olaf, except to all the stupid adults around the Beaudelaires.

Daniel Plainview is one of the most fascinating characters in modern film, to me.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:47:18pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Hype sells unfortunately.

It’s also possible that part of that demographic watched to see if pointing and laughing at a defence of Trump would actually be funny.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 2:48:23pm
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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:48:54pm

re: #319 blueraven

Daniel Plainview is one of the most fascinating characters in modern film, to me.

“I drink your milkshake!”

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2018 • 2:49:45pm

This’ll probably go over most of y’alls heads, postin’ anyway.

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blueraven  May 29, 2018 • 2:49:48pm

re: #322 TedStriker

“I drink your milkshake!”

Bastard in a Basket!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:50:04pm

re: #319 blueraven

Daniel Plainview is one of the most fascinating characters in modern film, to me.

Bill the Butcher for me. And man he brought Lincoln to life. Best ever portrayal of Lincoln. I was genuinely sad when Lincoln died.

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Jenner7  May 29, 2018 • 2:50:10pm
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MsJ  May 29, 2018 • 2:51:36pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

True. Tom Selleck? Gary Sinise? Maybe better picks. I actually really respect the work Sinise does with vets.

I hate (and I mean fucking hate) Sinese for his CSI NY speech to a guy dying on the show without insurance that it was a noble thing to die quietly.

It was unbelievably disgraceful to do that with a television show platform of viewers, many whom likely didn’t have insurance.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2018 • 2:51:50pm

re: #326 Jenner7

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:52:00pm

re: #326 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

Oh shut up already.

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 2:52:20pm

re: #326 Jenner7

[Embedded content]

As he or a staffer frantically goes through his feed to “sanitize” it.

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 2:52:24pm

re: #309 Renaissance_Man

Furthermore, as we’re seeing now, a lot of ‘cultural touchstones’ of the past fifty years in American culture have also been about perpetuating the dominance of the white, middle-class male. I didn’t watch All in the Family, but the bits I’ve seen of it tell me that it’s no different.

I would see a few episodes here and there in syndication as a kid in the 80s. What I’ve read about All in the Family is that Archie Bunker was supposed to be the butt of the jokes, but a lot of viewers saw Meathead as the butt of the jokes. That happens a lot to storytellers - the story they try to tell and the story that the audience gets can often be different.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 29, 2018 • 2:52:43pm

re: #235 Dr. Matt

The markets officially shit the bed today: -391.64 (-1.58%)

Over recent weeks I had been contemplating the effect of a switch from the dollar to the Euro for the world’s reserve currency. Then this morning I heard a report that the Italian populists — both on the left and the right — were calling to leave the Eurozone. So possible economic catastrophe for the world, and certainly no possible adoption of Euro to replace the dollar.

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scottslemmons  May 29, 2018 • 2:52:54pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

I was genuinely sad when Lincoln died.

You’re not supposed to just come out and admit to being an immortal.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:52:57pm

re: #327 MsJ

I hate (and I mean fucking hate) Sinese for his CSI NY speech to a guy dying on the show without insurance that it was a noble thing to die quietly.

It was unbelievably disgraceful to do that with a television show platform of viewers, many whom likely didn’t have insurance.

Never saw that but that seems like a screenwriting asshole but thanks. I agree.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 2:52:58pm
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Dr. Matt  May 29, 2018 • 2:53:49pm

re: #332 Hecuba’s daughter

Buy Gold! …From Glenn Beck!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 2:54:18pm

re: #333 scottslemmons

You’re not supposed to just come out and admit to being an immortal.

That film and the Doris Kearns Goodwin source material made Lincoln my favorite president. Lincoln is so immoral but he’s more approachable than say Washington or FDR.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 29, 2018 • 2:56:10pm

re: #336 Dr. Matt

Buy Gold! …From Glenn Beck!!!!!

And Bitcoin!

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2018 • 2:58:04pm

re: #327 MsJ

To be fair, it wasn’t Sinise who wrote the lines. He may have hated them as much as you do.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 2:58:06pm

re: #338 Hecuba’s daughter

And Bitcoin!

Crazy thing about Gold and Bitcoin is that from the gold bug point of view, they’re almost polar opposites, but in reality both only have value because people think they are valuable.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 2:59:13pm
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teleskiguy  May 29, 2018 • 3:01:24pm
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jaunte  May 29, 2018 • 3:01:33pm

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“This is the surface we will get Mike Pence to touch.”

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:02:55pm

re: #342 teleskiguy

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I’ve noticed a lot of Bros including his Bernship’s own son are willing to overlook racism.

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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 3:03:12pm

Chinese central authorities still working to legitimize their hegemony over the many small ethnic groups over which they rule:

China Focus: 5,000-year-long Chinese civilization verified

Chinese civilization has been verified as having existed for at least 5,000 years by a comprehensive investigation into the origin and early development of Chinese civilization, Guan Qiang, deputy director of the State Administration of Cultural Heritage (SACH) said on Monday.

The investigation began in 2001 with fourth stage completed in 2016.

“Years of large-scale excavations in the ruins of Liangzhu in east China’s Zhejiang Province, the Taosi site in north China’s Shanxi Province, the Shimao site in northwest China’s Shaanxi Province, and the Erlitou site in central China’s Henan Province have provided proof,” said Wang Wei, who works on the project.

On the basis of scientific summary of field archaeology achievements scored in China over the past 90 years, the research team carried out multidisciplinary studies ranging over social division of labor, class differentiation, central cities and compulsory power so as to present prominent features that define the dawn of a civilized society in ancient China, said Guan.

[…]

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:03:46pm

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Trump will want to go. On a funny note, I had a Korean Cubano for lunch that was excellent.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 29, 2018 • 3:06:10pm

Here’s the burger place NK needs…

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 3:07:00pm

re: #310 Hecuba’s daughter

I have to challenge you there. Many shows may turn off a large percentage of the potential audience — for example, more than half the population is not interested in science fiction or family comedies or police dramas etc ( a different half in each case). You are never going to develop a show with a loyal fanbase if you try to satisfy everyone. You develop a show that will appeal to a certain audience and then hope that you attract enough viewers to keep the show on the air.

I think you missed my point.

I was going with what people here were stating the show was trying to achieve. I was asking how could that be achieved in this case due to the toxicity of Roseanne.

The show obviously had baggage right from the start and that was exposed here when people brought it up after the first episode. The kickback was immediate.

That is not good for any show.

And I admitted that the whole thing confused me.

I think if you are starting with a fresh new show everything you say is correct.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2018 • 3:08:34pm

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s the burger place NK needs…

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Ha! Reminds me of the ex-Denny’s I used to go to in Everett, called “Dewey’s”. (The food was better.)

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Renaissance_Man  May 29, 2018 • 3:08:48pm

re: #345 freetoken

Chinese central authorities still working to legitimize their hegemony over the many small ethnic groups over which they rule:

China Focus: 5,000-year-long Chinese civilization verified

China is very keen to promote the idea of Chinese racial and cultural superiority. They are significantly invested into the idea of parallel evolution - that humanity arose in China independent of Africa, so that they can be racially pure and separate from black people.

The West isn’t aware, by and large, of just how racist most of Asia is. Racism is endemic and cultural throughout China, India and SE Asia. It’s going to be interesting over the next thirty years or so as Asia opens up to the rest of the world culturally and we learn just how backwards their cultures are in so many respects.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 3:12:06pm

re: #342 teleskiguy

It’s a fake leftist dudebro double daily

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:12:24pm

So I see dumbass Trumpers saying ABC should cancel The View because of “hateful” things the people there have said about Trump. Uh okay. There’s a difference between going after the most hateful president we’ve ever had and calling a black woman an ape.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:13:20pm

re: #351 gocart mozart

It’s a fake leftist dudebro double daily

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I really wish someone would smack that little asshole. BTW Goodman, while your pal Bernie was hiding out in lily fucking white Vermont, Hillary was going undercover to expose racism in Arkansas. Fuck you dude.

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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 3:14:40pm

Another journalism fail, this time from a high-brow think-tank:

Covering climate change: What reporters get wrong and how to get it right

Even before getting into the meat of the article, of course we’d all say that journalists get climate change wrong.

But….

[…]
WHAT REPORTERS GET WRONG: They focus on subjects that make it hard for readers to relate.

“Most climate change stories are about weather, sea ice, glaciers, ocean temperatures, which is another reason why people tune out … people care about stories that are relatable.

“That’s part of the problem with climate change reporting, people feel like they don’t have any entry point, they don’t have a ramp into it, and they don’t get how it affects them.”
[…]

Well, excuse, but if “weather” is not “relatable” to people, what is?

If there’s one topic everyone around the world mentions to other people they meet on the street, or digitally (such as here), it is… the weather.

Weather is the most relatable topic that is not personal.

Sigh…

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:14:49pm

re: #350 Renaissance_Man

China is very keen to promote the idea of Chinese racial and cultural superiority. They are significantly invested into the idea of parallel evolution - that humanity arose in China independent of Africa, so that they can be racially pure and separate from black people.

The West isn’t aware, by and large, of just how racist most of Asia is. Racism is endemic and cultural throughout China, India and SE Asia. It’s going to be interesting over the next thirty years or so as Asia opens up to the rest of the world culturally and we learn just how backwards their cultures are in so many respects.

It’s not just Asia but also places like South America.I learned a little about colorism from my brother since he’s been to Peru twice now to visit his wife’s extended family.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 3:15:40pm

re: #349 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ha! Reminds me of the ex-Denny’s I used to go to in Everett, called “Dewey’s”. (The food was better.)

There was a restaurant in Millbrae, which was called Ken’s House of Pancakes when I got here in 1982. A few years later, I noticed it have become Ben’s House of Pancakes.

Mrs. FBW and I figured it would next be Len’s House of Pancakes, and eventually become a breakfast place that didn’t serve women, called Mens’ House of Pancakes.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 3:16:08pm
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bratwurst  May 29, 2018 • 3:16:15pm

Wow, every mouth breather online got their marching orders on Bill Maher quickly!

Are these people this intellectually dishonest, or just plain stupid?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2018 • 3:16:49pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

I have met people who don’t like pie, hard as that may be to believe.

WHAT KIND OF HORRIBLE CREATURES ARE THEY!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:17:17pm

re: #357 goddamnedfrank

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After reading about how the death toll in PR was covered up. I’m just not feeling that generous. I mean yeah it sucks for them but it pales.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 3:17:17pm

Ohio likely to get flooded… .

Valid 00Z Wed May 30 2018 - 00Z Fri Jun 01 2018

…Subtropical Depression Alberto to spread heavy rainfall from the Deep
South northward into vast sections of the Tennessee/Ohio Valleys and
interior Carolinas…

…Severe thunderstorm threat looms for much of Oklahoma/Kansas into
southeastern Nebraska today…

…Record overnight warmth likely generally to the east of Alberto’s
forecast track…

Although Alberto is slowly weakening as it tracks north through the
Tennessee Valley today it is generating thunderstorms across much of
eastern Gulf states, Southeast, Mid-Atlantic and Tennessee Valley. Heavy
rain from Alberto over this area warranted a moderate risk for excessive
rainfall with the increased threat for flash flooding. As the remnants of
this system lifts in the Ohio Valley on Wednesday the area of slight risk
expands northward into the Midwest, Ohio Valley and northern Mid-Atlantic.
Additional amounts of 2 to 4 inches of rain, with isolated higher totals,
is likely to fall from northern sections of Alabama/Georgia northward
across western Tennessee/Kentucky into southern Illinois. For the latest
storm totals from Alberto, please visit the latest storm summary at:
wpc.ncep.noaa.gov. Elsewhere across the
Eastern Seaboard, unsettled conditions should continue with daily chances
for showers and thunderstorms.

(more)

wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 3:17:24pm

re: #351 gocart mozart

It’s a fake leftist dudebro double daily

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Christ, is HA Goodman still out there? I figured by now he’d have been reduced to scrawling on the wall with his own poop.

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 3:17:46pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

It’s not just Asia but also places like South America.I learned a little about colorism from my brother since he’s been to Peru twice now to visit his wife’s extended family.

Racism is, unfortunately, part of the human experience. I suspect part of it can be traced back to early man wanting to protect his clan/tribe from outsiders and the bad things they could bring (disease, war, death).

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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 3:18:02pm

re: #361 Anymouse 🌹

But weather is not relatable, so can we talk about something else???????

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 3:18:04pm

re: #359 The Vicious Babushka

WHAT KIND OF HORRIBLE CREATURES ARE THEY!!!!!!

Ones who leave more pie for me. So their continued existence is tolerated.

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scottslemmons  May 29, 2018 • 3:18:09pm

re: #351 gocart mozart

It’s a fake leftist dudebro double daily

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As probably hundreds of people predicted, H.A. Goodman has gone hard MAGA head.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:18:24pm

re: #358 bratwurst

Wow, every mouth breather online got their marching orders on Bill Maher quickly!

Are these people this intellectually dishonest, or just plain stupid?

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I think they really are that stupid. I don’t like Maher either but there’s a big difference between comparing Trump to an orangutan and a black woman to an ape and Charlie is either one intellectually dishonest piece of shit or he’s proving why conservatives like him are mocked on college campuses.

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 3:19:27pm

re: #351 gocart mozart

HAGOODMANAUTHOR…

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:19:40pm

re: #363 KGxvi

Racism is, unfortunately, part of the human experience. I suspect part of it can be traced back to early man wanting to protect his clan/tribe from outsiders and the bad things they could bring (disease, war, death).

Yeah it’s unfortunate. My niece was saying that she couldn’t be “her mother’s last name” because she’s too light. I want her to embrace her unique background. She’s got cousins on three different continents.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 3:19:47pm

re: #358 bratwurst

Wow, every mouth breather online got their marching orders on Bill Maher quickly!

Are these people this intellectually dishonest, or just plain stupid?

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I’m more than willing to get rid of Bill Maher. Fuck that guy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 3:19:47pm

re: #358 bratwurst

Wow, every mouth breather online got their marching orders on Bill Maher quickly!

Are these people this intellectually dishonest, or just plain stupid?

Maher has some liberal positions. Maher is a libertarian.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:20:04pm

re: #365 Blind Frog Belly White

Ones who leave more pie for me. So their continued existence is tolerated.

That’s what we call a silver lining.

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goddamnedfrank  May 29, 2018 • 3:20:48pm

I’m just saying, if the far right thinks liberals give a shit about Maher they’re digging a dry fucking hole.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:20:49pm

re: #371 Anymouse 🌹

Maher has some liberal positions. Maher is a libertarian.

He really isn’t a libertarian. Listen to how he talks about economics. I don’t like Maher but let’s not NTS him. He’s an asshole but he’s a lefty.

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MsJ  May 29, 2018 • 3:21:05pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Never saw that but that seems like a screenwriting asshole but thanks. I agree.

It was his sentiment (bruckheimer, too). The whole episode was about a terrorist who blew people up because his dying mother couldn’t get insurance… Which you didn’t know until the end.

It was ham-handed and disrespectful to the millions who didn’t have or couldn’t get insurance. This was pre-obamacare.

Both Sinese and Bruckheimer are right wing assholes. I was appalled. I wrote an article about it when it first happened.

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Renaissance_Man  May 29, 2018 • 3:21:06pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

It’s not just Asia but also places like South America.I learned a little about colorism from my brother since he’s been to Peru twice now to visit his wife’s extended family.

It’s why I used to defend America from charges of racism - because five years ago, I knew Americans still did racist things, but at least it was frowned upon here, whereas in most of the rest of the world, people were flagrantly racist, with governments that openly pushed racist policies. Of course, that was before America became a proto-fascist dictatorship, and more importantly, before I worked in the prison system and learned about things like black voter suppression, massive disparity in the justice system, and police oppression of blacks, not to mention the demonisation of Hispanics and the white cultural hegemony of the US media, especially the NYT.

That may be the most pinko sentence I’ve ever written and I feel a vague urge to wash. Yet it’s also completely true, and the old me would have been just as appalled as I am now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 3:21:41pm

re: #371 Anymouse 🌹

Maher has some liberal positions. Maher is a libertarian.

He is not Of The Body, so he’s a Lib’rul.

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MsJ  May 29, 2018 • 3:21:45pm

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

To be fair, it wasn’t Sinise who wrote the lines. He may have hated them as much as you do.

Those were his sentiments. Have you ever listened to the guy?

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:21:48pm

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

I’m more than willing to get rid of Bill Maher. Fuck that guy.

I really haven’t liked him for a long time. It’s not just the anti-vaccine crap. It’s the smug bullshit and Goddamn I do not like how he attacks liberal critics of his friend, Coulter. Maher is the poster child of how many white lefties let their privilege freak fly high.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:22:11pm

re: #375 MsJ

It was his sentiment (bruckheimer, too). The whole episode was about a terrorist who blew people up because his dying mother couldn’t get insurance… Which you didn’t know until the end.

It was ham-handed and disrespectful to the millions who didn’t have or couldn’t get insurance. This was pre-obamacare.

Both Sinese and Bruckheimer are right wing assholes. I was appalled. I wrote an article about it when it first happened.

Oh okay, I stand corrected. Thank you. Fuck that.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2018 • 3:22:32pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Bill the Butcher for me. And man he brought Lincoln to life. Best ever portrayal of Lincoln. I was genuinely sad when Lincoln died.

GREATEST DANIEL DAY LEWIS PERFORMANCE EVER
(Oh wait no, that’s Obama playing Daniel Day Lewis)

Obama plays Daniel Day-Lewis in hilarious movie spoof

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MsJ  May 29, 2018 • 3:22:52pm

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’d like to nominate that tweet as the oddest one of the day.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 3:23:45pm

re: #373 goddamnedfrank

I’m just saying, if the far right thinks liberals give a shit about Maher they’re digging a dry fucking hole.

Well, and you know, the other thing is that there’s not a long history of white people being called apes as a slur.

That, and while being black is not a choice, being orange is.
//

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 3:23:56pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s unfortunate. My niece was saying that she couldn’t be “her mother’s last name” because she’s too light. I want her to embrace her unique background. She’s got cousins on three different continents.

Everyone comes to it in their own way and in their own time.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:24:27pm

re: #376 Renaissance_Man

It’s why I used to defend America from charges of racism - because five years ago, I knew Americans still did racist things, but at least it was frowned upon here, whereas in most of the rest of the world, people were flagrantly racist, with governments that openly pushed racist policies. Of course, that was before America became a proto-fascist dictatorship, and more importantly, before I worked in the prison system and learned about things like black voter suppression, massive disparity in the justice system, and police oppression of blacks, not to mention the demonisation of Hispanics and the white cultural hegemony of the US media, especially the NYT.

That may be the most pinko sentence I’ve ever written and I feel a vague urge to wash. Yet it’s also completely true, and the old me would have been just as appalled as I am now.

The past few years really woke me up too. I think it’s what I’ve seen but also connecting with cousins who aren’t from here. I have a close connection with a cousin, his father’s grandfather and my mom’s grandfather were brothers. Were it not for fate, he would be hte one here in America and me in Slovenia. I don’t plan to drop my citizenship or anything like that and I do like being an American but I’ve started seeing myself as a human being first like the Chief Dan George character in Little Big Man.

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bratwurst  May 29, 2018 • 3:24:43pm

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

I’m more than willing to get rid of Bill Maher. Fuck that guy.

Hey, I am not a big fan of the guy at all. I am just wondering if these people REALLY think what Maher said about Trump is truly comparable to what Roseanne said today about Valerie Jarrett.

I guess I am with HappyWarrior…the people drawing this comparison really are plain old stupid. We have seen it right here on LGF, conservatives being utterly and completely impervious to context.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:25:10pm

re: #384 KGxvi

Everyone comes to it in their own way and in their own time.

Yep. And she’s learning Spanish through her abus which is nice. Smart kid.

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gocart mozart  May 29, 2018 • 3:25:49pm

re: #362 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ, is HA Goodman still out there? I figured by now he’d have been reduced to scrawling on the wall with his own poop.

I assume he he has time to do both

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:25:50pm

re: #386 bratwurst

Hey, I am not a big fan of the guy at all. I am just wondering if these people REALLY think what Maher said about Trump is truly comparable to what Roseanne said today about Valerie Jarrett.

I guess I am with HappyWarrior…the people drawing this comparison really are plain old stupid. We have seen it right here on LGF, conservatives being utterly and completely impervious to context.

It’s really tough to say. I personally think Kirk is that stupid. Others I think are more cynical.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 29, 2018 • 3:26:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 3:27:05pm

re: #366 scottslemmons

As probably hundreds of people predicted, H.A. Goodman has gone hard MAGA head.

I have no idea who HA Goodman is, probably to my benefit.

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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 3:27:23pm

re: #361 Anymouse 🌹

I see you just got some more storms moving through quickly.

The entire upper Missouri valley into Minnesota looks like they are getting lots of rain. No tornadoes, though.

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MsJ  May 29, 2018 • 3:27:36pm

re: #374 HappyWarrior

He really isn’t a libertarian. Listen to how he talks about economics. I don’t like Maher but let’s not NTS him. He’s an asshole but he’s a lefty.

He’s a lefty who hates Muslims and fucked Ann Coulter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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bratwurst  May 29, 2018 • 3:27:37pm

re: #389 HappyWarrior

It’s really tough to say. I personally think Kirk is that stupid. Others I think are more cynical.

You are right. This is the American right wing today: a coalition of the stupid and the cynical.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 29, 2018 • 3:27:47pm

re: #389 HappyWarrior

It’s really tough to say. I personally think Kirk is that stupid. Others I think are more cynical.

Its a way to pretend Roseanne’s tweet wasn’t racist.

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 3:28:06pm

re: #364 freetoken

But weather is not relatable, so can we talk about something else???????

Did you see my reply to your weather comment toward the end of the last thread?

Punch Brothers Do the Cars: “Just What I Needed” Comment #489

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 3:29:20pm

re: #386 bratwurst

Hey, I am not a big fan of the guy at all. I am just wondering if these people REALLY think what Maher said about Trump is truly comparable to what Roseanne said today about Valerie Jarrett.

I guess I am with HappyWarrior…the people drawing this comparison really are plain old stupid. We have seen it right here on LGF, conservatives being utterly and completely impervious to context.

They’re not being stupid. They’re being disingenuous in order to deflect responsibility/blame for one of their own. They know why comparing a black person to an ape is vile racism. But in No True Scotsman fashion they have to circle the wagons for their own. And since their own can’t be defended in this case, they have to establish that the other side is just as bad/worse. So, here’s an example of an alleged liberal call Trump an ape. They know exactly what the fuck they are doing.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2018 • 3:29:42pm
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freetoken  May 29, 2018 • 3:30:32pm

re: #396 ObserverArt

Just read it.

Saw the Roker was bringing up climate change and increases in severe weather.

But again, we are assured by the elites at a Harvard associated institute, that weather is not a topic that is relatable.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2018 • 3:30:43pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s unfortunate. My niece was saying that she couldn’t be “her mother’s last name” because she’s too light. I want her to embrace her unique background. She’s got cousins on three different continents.

LOL so do my grandkids.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:30:55pm

re: #393 MsJ

He’s a lefty who hates Muslims and fucked Ann Coulter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sergey has told us how the Russian Communists are some of the most xenophobic people he’s encountered which is why I’m reluctant to see Maher called not really a lefty. He’s a lefty. He’s an asshole one but he’s one. I don’t want us doing what the conservative never Trumpers do with Trump.

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Jack Burton  May 29, 2018 • 3:31:03pm

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

He is not Of The Body, so he’s a Lib’rul.

RWNJs:

“Wait… many of the lib’ruhs don’t like Maher either. Landru! Guide us, Landru!”

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:31:48pm

re: #400 The Vicious Babushka

LOL so do my grandkids.

Yep. Really cool isn’t it? I told her that she has cousins that sounded like Peppa Pig and she was like really?. She can’t wait to meet them when my cousin comes in from the UK this summer.

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teleskiguy  May 29, 2018 • 3:31:57pm

Heh.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 3:32:34pm

re: #397 KGxvi

They’re not being stupid. They’re being disingenuous in order to deflect responsibility/blame for one of their own. They know why comparing a black person to an ape is vile racism. But in No True Scotsman fashion they have to circle the wagons for their own. And since their own can’t be defended in this case, they have to establish that the other side is just as bad/worse. So, here’s an example of an alleged liberal call Trump an ape. They know exactly what the fuck they are doing.

I don’t know if that’s the case with Kirk though. He seems pretty dim. It’s as Brat said, a coalition of the cynical and dumb.

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electrotek  May 29, 2018 • 3:33:05pm

re: #393 MsJ

He’s a lefty who hates Muslims and fucked Ann Coulter. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And had no shame in using the n-word around this time last year.

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The Ghost of a Flea  May 29, 2018 • 3:33:07pm

Right now The Mouse is breathing a sigh of relief, because they finally got a nice clean racist tweet to boot her ass with, as opposed to trying to figure out how to corporate-weasel-speak about “…she believes Sandy Hook was fake and there’s a child-molesting ring that uses fast food terms as their secret argot and she’s accusing a Holocaust survivor of being a collaborator and also the Secret Jewish Conspiracy Overlord.”

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Alephnaught  May 29, 2018 • 3:33:23pm

re: #154 Belafon

Shameless would have weirded out those around me. They would not have identified with the setting.

But I get your point. I just seen why they went with the premise.

That’s quite interesting to me from a UK perspective. The original UK version of “Shameless”, at least the first 3 series of it, were huge in the UK: well watched, critically acclaimed, and hugely influential on future drama series.We’re talking about a series that is generally regarded as a milestone in UK drama, really setting the bar.

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MsJ  May 29, 2018 • 3:34:21pm

re: #398 teleskiguy

I keep harping on this. THERE. MUST. BE. CONSEQUENCES.

No consequences means it’ll just happen over and over (whatever It may be).

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KGxvi  May 29, 2018 • 3:34:38pm

re: #374 HappyWarrior

He really isn’t a libertarian. Listen to how he talks about economics. I don’t like Maher but let’s not NTS him. He’s an asshole but he’s a lefty.

There’s the two axis political spectrum that some libertarians created a while back, separating economic issues and social issues. Maybe we should add a third axis that is “assholishness”

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 3:35:37pm

re: #371 Anymouse 🌹

Maher has some liberal positions. Maher is a libertarian.

I’ve seen him mentioned as a “progressive libertarian.”

Reminds me of the two characters in Fight Club that claim to suffer different diseases so they can go to meetings and functions of groups sympathetic to sufferers fighting those diseases to get some relief of some kind.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 29, 2018 • 3:35:41pm

re: #390 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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If that thing in the burger joint tweet is supposed to be a North Korean nuclear warhead, I’ve got a number of concerns with it.

If it’s a two-stage device, they’ve got the “peanut” radiation jacket right, except…if this forward bulge is the primary, what the hell is in the aft one? It can’t be a spherical secondary or a cylindrical secondary, either.

I think it’s just a prop that’s intended to sorta-kinda remind you of our W-80 warhead, designed by somebody who doesn’t know shit. And besides, I’m morally certain it’s way too small—the W-80 was a tour de force of packaging—I guarantee they can’t equal it.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 29, 2018 • 3:35:51pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Yep. Really cool isn’t it? I told her that she has cousins that sounded like Peppa Pig and she was like really?. She can’t wait to meet them when my cousin comes in from the UK this summer.

My granddaughter (whose daddy is from the UK) & my Israeli grandkids LOVE LOVE LOVE Peppa Pig. Zedushka was like “Peppa Pig isn’t kosher” and my granddaughter said indignantly YOU DON’T EAT PEPPA!!

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 3:40:45pm

re: #391 Anymouse 🌹

I have no idea who HA Goodman is, probably to my benefit.

There was a ton of his tweets getting bashed here regularly when Bernie was campaigning in 2016.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 3:41:15pm

re: #374 HappyWarrior

He really isn’t a libertarian. Listen to how he talks about economics. I don’t like Maher but let’s not NTS him. He’s an asshole but he’s a lefty.

— —

Maher eschews political labels, referring to himself as “practical”. In the past, he has described himself as a libertarian, and has also referred to himself “as a progressive, as a sane person”

Also

Maher is a board member of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

en.wikipedia.org

The second inset up there definitely precludes “sane person” in the first.

I suppose “in the past” means he’s outgrown libertarianism.

A respondent at Quora also addressed his past position on libertarianism. It seems similar to my wife’s past position (except she was an officer in Colorado’s Libertarian Party, whereas Bill Maher simply identified that way).

So I’ll revise my position on Mr. Maher’s politics based on you bringing that to my attention. He’s still a jerk, however.

quora.com

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ObserverArt  May 29, 2018 • 3:43:51pm

re: #401 HappyWarrior

Sergey has told us how the Russian Communists are some of the most xenophobic people he’s encountered which is why I’m reluctant to see Maher called not really a lefty. He’s a lefty. He’s an asshole one but he’s one. I don’t want us doing what the conservative never Trumpers do with Trump.

Over his career he has called himself a libertarian. I think he got a lot of flack for it, checked in and educated himself to true libertarian thinking and then backed off the claim. He must have thought it was cool because he could hope for legal weed.

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William Lewis  May 29, 2018 • 3:44:27pm

re: #299 jaunte

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Call it “The Trouble With Connors”, Mr. Gerrold?

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TedStriker  May 29, 2018 • 3:47:33pm

re: #381 The Vicious Babushka

GREATEST DANIEL DAY LEWIS PERFORMANCE EVER
(Oh wait no, that’s Obama playing Daniel Day Lewis)

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Video

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Anymouse 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 3:48:27pm

re: #397 KGxvi

They’re not being stupid. They’re being disingenuous in order to deflect responsibility/blame for one of their own. They know why comparing a black person to an ape is vile racism. But in No True Scotsman fashion they have to circle the wagons for their own. And since their own can’t be defended in this case, they have to establish that the other side is just as bad/worse. So, here’s an example of an alleged liberal call Trump an ape. They know exactly what the fuck they are doing.

[pedant]

It would be a “tu quoque” fallacy.

[/pedant]

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Big Beautiful Door  May 29, 2018 • 4:05:48pm

re: #141 gocart mozart

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Except Tim Allen got his show back on a real network.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 29, 2018 • 4:15:12pm

re: #362 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ, is HA Goodman still out there? I figured by now he’d have been reduced to scrawling on the wall with his own poop.

Old Half Assed is in full Trump asskissing mode.

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majii  May 29, 2018 • 4:23:03pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior “I’ve noticed a lot of Bros including his Bernship’s own son are willing to overlook racism.”

Simple answer, HW. When one isn’t the target, one isn’t necessarily concerned about others who are the targets. It’s the old, “They’re not talking about me, so why should I be concerned?” game.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 29, 2018 • 4:28:23pm

re: #390 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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well, the yam has to be able to eat something when he visits…not that icky asian food, a well done burger instead.

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HappyWarrior  May 29, 2018 • 4:34:33pm

re: #416 ObserverArt

Over his career he has called himself a libertarian. I think he got a lot of flack for it, checked in and educated himself to true libertarian thinking and then backed off the claim. He must have thought it was cool because he could hope for legal weed.

Ha probably.

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BlueGrl21  May 29, 2018 • 4:53:35pm

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

I’m more than willing to get rid of Bill Maher. Fuck that guy.

I’d pay to see that.

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Eventual Carrion  May 29, 2018 • 5:17:16pm

re: #118 Teukka

Am I the only one having a spurious thought at what Roman deity the guy might’ve pissed off?

Terminus

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Barefoot Grin  May 29, 2018 • 6:28:53pm

oops, wrong post.

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steve_davis  May 30, 2018 • 8:03:34am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

True. Tom Selleck? Gary Sinise? Maybe better picks. I actually really respect the work Sinise does with vets.

sadly Tom is too old for anymore Parker novel adaptations (hell, they may be out of books for that series anyway). I also enjoyed Magnum P.I. No, he isn’t a brilliant actor, but he’s decent enough for what he does.


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