There’s only one presidential advisor whose mouth is so large and teeth so grotesque that secrets cannot help but slip out: Rudy Giuliani. Why hasn’t Trump fired hell’s loose-lipped mayor?
I wanna see the clip where she calls Ivanka the c-word that wingnuts say is JUST LIKE ROSEANNE!
Seen in the ad bar below the article:
Jim Became A Made Man Following His Number One Rule - Don’t Buy Options
…umm…OK?
Pretty sure the mob doesn’t work that way though.
re: #2 The Vicious Babushka
Samantha Bee to @IvankaTrump:
“Let me just say, one mother to another, do something about your dad’s immigration practices you feckless cunt!”
If this statement had been addressed to a child of a former president, Samantha Bee would be out of a job. pic.twitter.com/ayuXmnDrYN— Kyle Morris (@RealKyleMorris) May 31, 2018
re: #3 I cannot.
Seen in the ad bar below the article:
…umm…OK?
Pretty sure the mob doesn’t work that way though.
That’s what they told Tommy DeVito before they whacked him.
re: #4 JordanRules
Kathy Griffin’s response is what we need to go with:
The White House Press Secretary is deciding what’s fit for broadcast or not. This is exactly what I was talking about in the thread I posted last night: https://t.co/U9GLtFpkwq#FecklessCunt pic.twitter.com/1OeEGxvWrj
— Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) May 31, 2018
re: #4 JordanRules
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Is that child of a former President getting paid taxpayer dollars as a Senior Advisor to the President?
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS PISSED
LIVE: Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland hold news conference on tariffs https://t.co/spzRT9buQB pic.twitter.com/mSbhW1qXp8
— Reuters TV (@ReutersTV) May 31, 2018
Ivanka is not a child, she’s a fully adult white collar criminal.
Rounding out the last thread,
re: #573 HappyWarrior
My Dad got Yesterday by hte Beatles. and Mom uh got Let’s Get It On by Marvin Gaye. Oh my.
Billboard did not have it’s Top Singles Chart (based on record sales) until July 1940. I do not know what the top single was for my father; for my mother it was Tommy Dorsey’s “I’ll Never Smile Again.” (She was born the week Billboard created the chart.)
re: #6 Interesting Times
Kathy Griffin’s response is what we need to go with:
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You know what, what she said was improper but the administration’s actions on the matter that she was talking about are even worse so I don’t really care what the fuck Sarah says and Sarah dear, you never said anything when your father uses sexist language to go after Democratic women so your “concern” is noted.
re: #11 Anymouse 🌹
Rounding out the last thread,
Billboard did not have it’s Top Singles Chart (based on record sales) until July 1940. I do not know what the top single was for my father; for my mother it was Tommy Dorsey’s “I’ll Never Smile Again.” (She was born the week Billboard created the chart.)
You need to do their 14th birthdays. Do your mother and father’s birthdays for their 14th years.
Good breakdown on the messages sent by Trump’s pardons and suggestions of who else he might pardon. Read the thread.
Trump’s pardons of D’Souza and Arpiao and Libby, and rumored contemplated pardons of Stewart and Blagojevich, show consistent messaging. /1
— KneelBeforeHat (@Popehat) May 31, 2018
re: #8 The Vicious Babushka
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS PISSED
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Putin has sidelined America. The rest of the world just needs to act like we don’t exist until we clean up our act.
I am listening to Justin Trudeau’s speech and now he is describing retaliatory measures Canada is taking against the US.
re: #10 jaunte
Ivanka is not a child, she’s a fully adult white collar criminal.
She’s not but I can understand why people have a problem with Sam calling her a see you next Tuesday but I really don’t want ot hear it from the Trumpers who love Trump being an even more vulgar asshole as President.
re: #17 HappyWarrior
She’s not but I can understand why people have a problem with Sam calling her a see you next Tuesday but I really don’t want ot hear it from the Trumpers who love Trump being an even more vulgar asshole as President.
Yep. Fuck their feelings.
re: #17 HappyWarrior
They can dish it, but they don’t want to take it.
Arthur C Clarke predicts the internet in 1964 pic.twitter.com/ZUhrRHc563
— Mood:Vintage (@moodvintage) May 31, 2018
In normal times, this kind of prosecutorial malfeasance would be a huge scandal. But in our current nightmare hellscape it’s just one more drop in a big bucket of awfulness.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 31, 2018
And frankly the administration’s crocodile tears on this piss me off. Trump was praising Roseanne AFTER she posted photoshops of David Hogg as a fucking Nazi. No, you can have a problem with Bee calling Ivanka the c-word but the administration should shut the fuck up too. That said, I wish Samantha had attacked Ivanka more effectively. But I do think whatever said was going to get a bunch of whining from the administration anyhow.
Now that Roseanne Barr faced long-overdue consequences for her racism and hate speech, conservatives are ranting and whining about every comedian who says something they don’t like. Fuck this bad faith bullshit.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 31, 2018
re: #18 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis
Yep. Fuck their feelings.
And honestly fuck Ivanka too. I’m sick of her fake smile and pretending that she’s a decent person. She’s nothing but her father in a dress with a better charade of character.
re: #13 HappyWarrior
You need to do their 14th birthdays. Do your mother and father’s birthdays for their 14th years.
Ooops, I skrewed up. Fourteenth birthday, 1980 - “Call Me” - Blondie. Mah bad.
re: #19 jaunte
They can dish it, but they don’t want to take it.
That’s because they’re not really offended. Their feigned outrage is just to try and get revenge.
Freeland says Canada will retaliate with tariffs of up to $6.6 billion on U.S. exports of steel, aluminum and other products. That’s the total amount of Canadian exports of steel and aluminum to the U.S., she says.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) May 31, 2018
Whining about rudeness is a smokescreen as Republicans dismantle the country’s legal framework.
The White House is not cooperating with requests from the Government Accountability Office, House Democratic lawmakers said.
Dems are now calling for a hearing to look at the admin’s “dramatic decision” to ignore inquiries.https://t.co/OcN8V5HSs6— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 31, 2018
Lawlessness erodes the foundation of upon which this nation was founded.
It’s being torn to bits by republicans and they’re not hiding it.
I’m in shock at the outward defiance of the law that’s not being challenged effectively—if it were it would stop. https://t.co/bzycfRTxwE— Tina Issa 🇺🇸 (@tinaissa) May 31, 2018
Trump considers clemency for Rod Blagojevich and Martha Stewart, both were on The Apprentice, in 2013 he tweeted about her attractiveness & she “used to be my biggest fan” - says Blago was stupid but 18 yr sentence “really unfair” - the jury that heard the case might disagree.
— Chris Jansing (@ChrisJansing) May 31, 2018
“Blago was stupid but 18 yr sentence “really unfair” - the jury that heard the case might disagree.”
Grifters Creed. There’s probably a secret handshake as well. https://t.co/JgygsCrVZ5— 🦈🦈Dave’s Not Believing this Crap🦈🦈 (@DaveoutofAustin) May 31, 2018
re: #21 Charles Johnson
When the nuts said they wanted to “take our country back” they were talking about replacing our society with a lawless, propaganda-based, banana republic.
— Jeff “We call BS” Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) May 31, 2018
re: #28 jaunte
Whining about rudeness is a smokescreen as Republicans dismantle the country’s legal framework.
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Hey, the end of the rule of law is a small price to pay for lower taxes on the rich and a whole raft of judges, amirite?
re: #13 HappyWarrior
You need to do their 14th birthdays. Do your mother and father’s birthdays for their 14th years.
For my father, on the Billboard Top Singles Chart it was “Auf Wiederseh’n Sweetheart” by Vera Lynn.
For my mother it was “Little Things Mean a Lot” by Kitty Kallen.
I’m not sure what the correlation between those are.
We made a terrible mistake in not sending Nixon to prison. We could have nipped this Republican lawlessness in the bud, but we encouraged it instead.
— Jeff “We call BS” Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) May 31, 2018
The UN asked the US, which is a party to the UN Convention Against Corruption, about challenges it faces in keeping public officials ethical. The US responded:
“The United States does not have any challenges to report at this time.”
I can think of one.https://t.co/h6TpWCRa0v pic.twitter.com/Sp7yAZiuMA— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) May 31, 2018
In reading various social media comments about Paige Patterson, lots of old religious guys are whining about this or that…
The worse are those complaining about Samantha Bee’s language … this from people who are open Trumpers.
re: #33 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis
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Yeah. I think alot of the players were really emboldened.
And now they’re back and worse than ever.
Let’s put this another way. Sarah is complaining about Sam Bee’s language on the day that Trump pardoned Dinesh D’Sousa who has uh yeah made some very racist remarks about President Obama. So yeah Sarah you should just shut up Sam Bee.
re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White
Good breakdown on the messages sent by Trump’s pardons and suggestions of who else he might pardon. Read the thread.
He’s considering pardoning Illinois governor Rod “contratorvich?” And the guy appeared on Celebrity Apprentice?
Gaaa.
Freeland says there’ll be 25% tariffs on some U.S. products, 10% on others; will take effect on July 1; will remain in place as long as Trump’s tariffs do.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) May 31, 2018
MAGA
re: #32 Anymouse 🌹
For my father, on the Billboard Top Singles Chart it was “Auf Wiederseh’n Sweetheart” by Vera Lynn.
For my mother it was “Little Things Mean a Lot” by Kitty Kallen.I’m not sure what the correlation between those are.
Saying Auf Wiedersen, Sweetheart is a little thing of saying alot. I only did my parents because I knew they’d probably get better tunes than me.
re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White
Good breakdown on the messages sent by Trump’s pardons and suggestions of who else he might pardon. Read the thread.
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The post-script post is pretty much what I thought downstairs: This isn’t Donny demonstrating some grand scheme, this just the addled mind of a moron pursuing whatever shiny object catches his attention. D’ouchebag got his pardon the same way Libby got his: campaigning for it in the press rather than through proper channels.
re: #35 freetoken
In reading various social media comments about Paige Patterson, lots of old religious guys are whining about this or that…
The worse are those complaining about Samantha Bee’s language … this from people who are open Trumpers.
People who shouted Trump that Bitch. Mad that a comedian called the President’s crooked daughter a c-word. Honestly, I’m a little annoyed she did it too but for a real reason. It distracts from the main point of what she was saying that Ivanka tries to act humane and does NOTHING about her father’s awful immigration policy. She’s fine with being involved when it comes to enriching her wallet but not acutally helping people who aren’t her.
I’m really trying to find out if the proposed 25% tariff will also apply towards 25+ year old used vehicles as well.
re: #35 freetoken
In reading various social media comments about Paige Patterson, lots of old religious guys are whining about this or that…
The worse are those complaining about Samantha Bee’s language … this from people who are open Trumpers.
The Southern Baptist Convention is the largest Protestant denomination in the USA. In their upcoming convention, Mr. Patterson is still listed as a speaker at the convention. It will be interesting to see if they bounce him out of that.
There’s lots of handwringing over “no true Christians” but from my outside view that’s tough for me to swallow in combination with “largest Protestant denomination.”
I wonder if there will be a schism in the SBC?
Here’s the long list of U.S. products on which Canada is proposing to impose $16.6 billion worth of tariffs. Includes steel, yogurt, coffee, maple syrup (lol), pizza, aftershave, kitchenware, toilet paper, mattresses, pens, boats, kegs… https://t.co/5y49jhuT2E
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) May 31, 2018
Freeland says there’ll be 25% tariffs on some U.S. products, 10% on others; will take effect on July 1; will remain in place as long as Trump’s tariffs do.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) May 31, 2018
Among many other horrible acts, Trump is destroying America’s good relationship with Canada. That takes some doing, but he’s clearly up to the task. https://t.co/LsWEO0RLnC
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 31, 2018
Breaking: Trump imposes steel and aluminum tariffs on the European Union, Canada and Mexico https://t.co/8EDdE5YJQC
— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) May 31, 2018
Very disappointed that despite Canada being the most closely integrated security partner for the United States, Trudeau was unable to secure a deal to treat our industries and our workers fairly. https://t.co/VOKgBHWn5x
— Erin O’Toole (@ErinOTooleMP) May 31, 2018
Conservative politicians are letting Canadians know that instead of uniting our country and international allies to oppose Trump’s disastrous global trade war, they’ll be using this opportunity for partisan gain. Neo-patriotism? #cdnpoli https://t.co/RATi2u0NCg
— Asif Hossain (@asifintoronto) May 31, 2018
Aluminum Association Disappointed in Administration Decision to Place Tariffs on Vital Trading Partners: https://t.co/gMNIO42Bp6
— Aluminum Association (@AluminumNews) May 31, 2018
Even US aluminium (sorry, I can’t without the Canadian spelling) is against Trump’s tariffs on Canada. Yet, Canadian conservatives are somehow finding their way to side with Trump on this item. #cdnpoli https://t.co/lmEA15vlc8
— Asif Hossain (@asifintoronto) May 31, 2018
Hey, Texas cattle ranchers:
1602.50.10 Prepared meals, of bovine
1602.50.99 Other prepared or preserved meat of bovine, other than in cans or glass jars
fin.gc.ca
re: #41 HappyWarrior
Saying Auf Wiedersen, Sweetheart is a little thing of saying alot. I only did my parents because I knew they’d probably get better tunes than me.
Well for me, “Cathy’s Clown” pretty much sums me up with my wife. /s
For my wife’s birthday it was “Big Girls Don’t Cry” by the Four Seasons.
re: #50 Anymouse 🌹
Well for me, “Cathy’s Clown” pretty much sums me up with my wife. /s
For my wife’s birthday it was “Big Girls Don’t Cry” by the Four Seasons.
Can’t go wrong with either of those. I got a lame Usher song for my 14th birthday and a Heart song for my actual birthday.
re: #27 The Vicious Babushka
That’s nicer than I’d be if I were a foreign leader.
I’d start off by saying something like, “The President of the United States, Donald Trump, is, quite obviously, a feeble-minded buffoon - now please allow me a few moments of your time to present my reasons for having arrived at this conclusion……”
Trudeau has tried since 2015 to be non-confrontational toward Trump, no matter what Trump has said about Canada or done, so this is a significant change today.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) May 31, 2018
re: #49 jaunte
Hey, Texas cattle ranchers:
And just when beef jerky was catching on here in the Czech Republic.
re: #53 Dr Lizardo
That’s nicer than I’d be if I were a foreign leader.
I’d start off by saying something like, “The President of the United States, Donald Trump, is, quite obviously, a feeble-minded buffoon - now please allow me a few moments of your time to present my reasons for having arrived at this conclusion……”
If English wasn’t my first language, I’d probably use some clever idiom in my native language that is actually a diss and convince Trump he’s being complimented.
re: #45 Anymouse 🌹
I wonder if there will be a schism in the SBC?
There already has been. After Patterson and Pressler became the kingpins of the SBC, several churches split off, created a couple of new denominations.
Now it seems likely that if the tide is turning towards the “reformed” theologies (which Mohler is courting), that some of the anti-Calvinists may break off on theological grounds.
And it is pretty clear to me that here is no small revolt among the young against the old patriarchy in the SBC.
Times are a changing.
I can only hope that when Trump finally falls, he’ll take a lot of his religious sycophants down with him.
This is one of those days when the Trump Horror seems even more out of control and damaging than ever. What will this country look like if he manages to remain in office for 3 more years?
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 31, 2018
The United States can’t be negotiated with until a reality-based government is in place. You can’t make a deal with someone who’s lied his way through life, and casually breaks international agreements.
— Jeff “We call BS” Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) May 31, 2018
#FecklessCunt pic.twitter.com/Ns0pBHwE81
— Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) May 31, 2018
This isn’t about whether Samantha Bee CAN say it.
It’s about whether she SHOULD say it.
And whether we as a society SHOULD condone it. https://t.co/egEshw5Ubv— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) May 31, 2018
Shut the fuck up you hack. When the White House Press Secretary, on behalf of the President, says “Her disgusting comments and show are not fit for broadcast..” we’re heading into first amendment territory.
That I have to explain this to you reminds me how dumb you are. https://t.co/UGAOapDVG8— Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) May 31, 2018
re: #48 JordanRules
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re: #52 HappyWarrior
Can’t go wrong with either of those. I got a lame Usher song for my 14th birthday and a Heart song for my actual birthday.
For my fourteenth birthday it was Ray Stevens “The Streak” (lol).
Today, it’s “This Is America” by Childish Gambino (never heard of it).
Should we condone a hack who normalizes Trump and creates false-equivalencies? WTF is @CNN thinking, letting this hack represent them?
— Jeff “We call BS” Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) May 31, 2018
I see some journalists and liberals are now jumping on the “bash Samantha Bee” bandwagon and clutching their pearls over her comment about Ivanka.
This is why the right wing wins way too much of the time. Liberals are so eager to show that they’re “fair-minded” that they react to this stuff EXACTLY how the right wants them to.
Conservatives never do this. It’s so fucking frustrating to see it every time.
re: #60 gocart mozart
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Hey Chris, just called it “sexually-charged” and then have your buddies in the NYT editorial pool write some articles about how she should be allowed to apologize and acknowledge what she said was wrong before she’s fired.
More than 4,600 lives lost in Puerto Rico. 70x the official number. The US gov’t has failed its own citizens. The response itself is an American tragedy.
Hurricane season is about to begin in Puerto Rico. The administration must step up & protect its people.— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) May 31, 2018
We condone free speech, you fascist apologist.
#FecklessCunt pic.twitter.com/Ns0pBHwE81
— Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) May 31, 2018
This isn’t about whether Samantha Bee CAN say it.
It’s about whether she SHOULD say it.
And whether we as a society SHOULD condone it. https://t.co/egEshw5Ubv— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) May 31, 2018
re: #65 Charles Johnson
I see some journalists and liberals are now jumping on the “bash Samantha Bee” bandwagon and clutching their pearls over he comment about Ivanka.
This is why the right wing wins way to much of the time. Liberals are so eager to show that they’re “fair-minded” that they react to this stuff EXACTLY how the right wants them to.
Conservatives never do this. It’s so fucking frustrating to see it every time.
Yup, they try too hard.
re: #60 gocart mozart
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re: #62 Anymouse 🌹
For my fourteenth birthday it was Ray Stevens “The Streak” (lol).
Today, it’s “This Is America” by Childish Gambino (never heard of it).
re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White
Is that child of a former President getting paid taxpayer dollars as a Senior Advisor to the President?
Using child is disingenuous
re: #67 JordanRules
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That’s the problem, Hillary: This administration doesn’t seen Puerto Ricans as “its people.” They see them as foreign citizens whose protection and well-being is a budgetary matter, rather than a humanitarian one.
Islands and coasts are in trouble. We should move the Puerto Rican people to the mainland where they’ll have full rights as the American citizens that they are.
— Jeff “We call BS” Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) May 31, 2018
re: #65 Charles Johnson
I see some journalists and liberals are now jumping on the “bash Samantha Bee” bandwagon and clutching their pearls over he comment about Ivanka.
This is why the right wing wins way to much of the time. Liberals are so eager to show that they’re “fair-minded” that they react to this stuff EXACTLY how the right wants them to.
Conservatives never do this. It’s so fucking frustrating to see it every time.
I agree with you there. TBH I don’t like that she said it simply because shit like this happens.
re: #13 HappyWarrior
Mom and Dad hit 14 before 1940.
And the #1 song on my 14th Birthday was The Jackson 5’s I Want You Back…
re: #67 JordanRules
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WHY WON’T SHE GO AWAY AND KNIT. We now return you to Mitt Romney’s stump speech in Utah. //
re: #75 HappyWarrior
I agree with you there. TBH I don’t like that she said it simply because shit like this happens.
The only reason I don’t like it is because, as a male, I’m not going to repeat it.
As for the reaction, I think that just means it needs to be done more often.
re: #78 Belafon
The only reason I don’t like it is because, as a male, I’m not going to repeat it.
As for the reaction, I think that just means it needs to be done more often.
TBH I just am amused by the Trump that bitch crowd crying over this. I mean I think you can say it was wrong and at the same time call out the hypocrisy of the right on this.
Breaking News: People who routinely mock people for being “snowflakes” and “triggered” outraged by Samantha Bee calling Ivanka Trump a dirty word
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) May 31, 2018
re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White
Hey, the end of the rule of law is a small price to pay for lower taxes on the rich and a whole raft of judges, amirite?
Succinct and accurate
Well, fuck :(
In a statement from TBS, Samantha Bee apologizes to Ivanka Trump. pic.twitter.com/elcO4eW165
— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) May 31, 2018
Please do not be hard on @iamsambee for apologizing. While I was hoping she wouldn’t, I know first hand what it’s like being put through the Trump wood chipper..what she’s going through right now is insane. All for a bleeped word. https://t.co/nmGLavm6BI
— Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) May 31, 2018
re: #65 Charles Johnson
I see some journalists and liberals are now jumping on the “bash Samantha Bee” bandwagon and clutching their pearls over he comment about Ivanka.
This is why the right wing wins way to much of the time. Liberals are so eager to show that they’re “fair-minded” that they react to this stuff EXACTLY how the right wants them to.
Conservatives never do this. It’s so fucking frustrating to see it every time.
Perhaps Samantha needs to remind Chris about his praising of Trump’s “prowess” at insults, that he’s already chosen to condone such behavior and is now simply quibbling over the language being used.
re: #75 HappyWarrior
I agree with you there. TBH I don’t like that she said it simply because shit like this happens.
That’s exactly why she should have said it in my opinion. Conservatives should not be able to dictate what is acceptable comedy.
re: #83 Interesting Times
Well, fuck :(
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re: #75 HappyWarrior
I agree with you there. TBH I don’t like that she said it simply because shit like this happens.
True :/ If she’s said “feckless enabler”, there’s no way the GOPers could pull the same stunt.
re: #83 Interesting Times
Well, fuck :(
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I was also hoping she wouldn’t, because now the howling will only get louder because an apology will be deemed “insufficient.”
re: #87 Anymouse 🌹
That’s exactly why she should have said it in my opinion. Conservatives should not be able to dictate what is acceptable comedy.
My problem is that calling her it distracts from what her actual point is and that’s that Ivanka pretends to be this champion of women and girls and she’s been silent as hell about the kids being deported. I just wish she had said that in a way that would have given conservatives no reason to go “but but” I don’t give a fuck about Ivanka. She can rot in a cell with her Dad and brothers for all I care but I hate seeing a valid point ignored because of something else. Samantha had a valid point and all we’re going to hear is that she called Ivanka, a ya next Tuesday.
How much of an asshole do you have to be to piss off Canada?
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) May 31, 2018
conservatives: ivanka’s a powerful independent woman who can handle a portfolio of policies given to her by her boss the president
also conservatives: widdle ivanka is her daddys pwecious babwy girl and dont say nuffin bad about her pwetty widdle faceeeeee— Oliver Willis (@owillis) May 31, 2018
I want to thank @realDonaldTrump for giving my husband a pardon but I particularly want to thank @SenTedCruz for putting it on his radar and helping make it happen! So grateful! #DineshDsouzaPardon
— Debbie D’Souza (@Debber66) May 31, 2018
The Texas economy — and Houston specifically — faces massive risk with Trump’s tariffs. So this is what our junior senator has been up to. https://t.co/KyrmsiKTAb
— Evan 20XX (@evan7257) May 31, 2018
re: #89 Interesting Times
True :/ If she’s said “feckless enabler”, there’s no way the GOPers could pull the same stunt.
Exactly. Instead we’re going to hear conesrvatives pearl clutch about her being called a see you next Tuesday. I’m sorry. I like Samantha a lot but she made the conversation about her rather than the kids that Ivanka’s father’s administration has neglected. That sucks and I understand why she was upset. Samantha’s not only a mother, she’s an immigrant herself.
something something something samantha bee fake outrage something pic.twitter.com/5bc5PPBGOK
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) May 31, 2018
If not for the dishonesty, Conservatives would be left with only bigotry and greed as their core values.
— Jeff “We call BS” Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) May 31, 2018
This is fucking insane. Argh.
Thank you to those who reached out regarding our sponsorship of Full Frontal. The comments expressed by Samantha Bee were offensive and unacceptable and do not reflect the views of our company. As a result, we have suspended our sponsorship of Full Frontal with Samantha Bee.
— Autotrader (@AutoTrader_com) May 31, 2018
re: #84 Targetpractice
Perhaps Samantha needs to remind Chris about his praising of Trump’s “prowess” at insults, that he’s already chosen to condone such behavior and is now simply quibbling over the language being used.
— —
Trump: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.
She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —
I moved on her like a bitch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.
— —
Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Bush: Whatever you want.
Trump: Grab ‘em by the pussy. You can do anything.
Spare me Chris Cillizza’s outrage.
Tell us again how offended Trump voters are by sexism, will you please? pic.twitter.com/MKhuM7QzE1
— Doktor Zoom (@DoktorZoom) May 31, 2018
re: #98 JordanRules
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The late Barbara Bush on Geraldine Ferraro- “She’s a word that rhymes with witch.” As I said, I think my problem is that Bee’s words distract from what the conversation should be about. That’s why it bothers me. I don’t give a fuck about what the whiny hypocritical conservative peices of dog shit think.
re: #100 Charles Johnson
This is fucking insane. Argh.
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They needed their scalp and Samantha gave hers up to the cause.
re: #11 Anymouse 🌹
Rounding out the last thread,
Billboard did not have it’s Top Singles Chart (based on record sales) until July 1940. I do not know what the top single was for my father; for my mother it was Tommy Dorsey’s “I’ll Never Smile Again.” (She was born the week Billboard created the chart.)
Late to the birthday song party for me on both my birthday and when I was 14.
In ‘54 it was Sh-Boom by the Crew Cuts.
In ‘68 it was People Got to Be Free - The Young Rascals.
I always like The Rascals.
re: #102 Kragar
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They can fuck off. The immigrant kids whose plight is being ignored by this fake outrage otoh.
re: #92 HappyWarrior
My problem is that calling her it distracts from what her actual point is and that’s that Ivanka pretends to be this champion of women and girls and she’s been silent as hell about the kids being deported.
They would do it regardless of what Ms. Bee said about Ivanka.
Conservatives dragged President Obama over a mustard choice. There really is no way to halt the conservative grievance machine other than to call it out, repeatedly.
Imagine getting to renegotiate NAFTA every five years! Oh what fun we would have.
— Paul McLeod (@pdmcleod) May 31, 2018
Presser over. There you have it. Canada’s response is:
1) Retaliatory tariffs on $16.6 billion of American goods.
2) Appealing to World Trade Organization.
3) Saying Trump is disrespecting soldiers who died in World War II.— Paul McLeod (@pdmcleod) May 31, 2018
re: #100 Charles Johnson
I have totally forgotten such an rag still existed. I guess they do online marketing now for people wanting to sell used cars, but there’s so many competitors for that (and eBay was one of the first.)
Long ago, AutoTrader as a thing was much more important.
I don’t know how much this will impact Bee’s show, if any at all.
The invisible carnage of the fundamental priorities not being met and the progress not being made while we are distracted by the spectacle of this morally bankrupt con-man is mind-boggling.
— Bradley Whitford (@WhitfordBradley) May 31, 2018
re: #107 Anymouse 🌹
They would do it regardless of what Ms. Bee said about Ivanka.
Conservatives dragged President Obama over a mustard choice. There really is no way to halt the conservative grievance machine other than to call it out, repeatedly.
They would have I concede that but it would have been much harder to do that. I’m sorry but the conversation is going to be about Samantha Bee calling Ivanka the c-word regardless of where you go instead of Samantha Bee RIGHTFULLY calling out Ivanka for getting involved in our national affairs and portraying herself as a caring mother and doing nothing as her father makes life hell for immigrant children.
re: #109 freetoken
I have totally forgotten such an rag still existed. I guess they do online marketing now for people wanting to sell used cars, but there’s so many competitors for that (and eBay was one of the first.)
Long ago, AutoTrader as a thing was much more important.
I don’t know how much this will impact Bee’s show, if any at all.
Hopefully a giant boost in her ratings.
When Dinesh D’Souza stood infront of a judge and pleaded guilty to breaking the law, he said he deeply regretted his conduct.
I am starting to think that was a lie. pic.twitter.com/TF0HCFQEqI— Nunca Trump (@NeverTrumpTexan) May 31, 2018
re: #108 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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What is shows is they’re not really serious about making a deal. The sunset clause was about setting a condition that Canada (and likely Mexico) would never agree to in order to insist that it was they who were standing in the way of a deal being made.
re: #65 Charles Johnson
I see some journalists and liberals are now jumping on the “bash Samantha Bee” bandwagon and clutching their pearls over her comment about Ivanka.
This is why the right wing wins way too much of the time. Liberals are so eager to show that they’re “fair-minded” that they react to this stuff EXACTLY how the right wants them to.
Conservatives never do this. It’s so fucking frustrating to see it every time.
i don’t see it as “fair minded”
“we” promote the constitutional, free speech argument (imo the only one that matters)
and they pearl-clutch, feign outrage, and get all visceral and emotional
unfortunately that does rile some people up and bonds them together and …
the ivanka vs roseanne comments arent merely in different ballparks
or different continents
they are on different planets
re: #63 cat-tikvah
From Scotland:
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— Janey Godley (@JaneyGodley) May 31, 2018
re: #78 Belafon
The only reason I don’t like it is because, as a male, I’m not going to repeat it.
As for the reaction, I think that just means it needs to be done more often.
+ A lot
re: #44 electrotek
I’m really trying to find out if the proposed 25% tariff will also apply towards 25+ year old used vehicles as well.
I doubt it. It would be difficult to implement that and track it. New vehicles are easier to put a tariff on due to registering the completed vehicle and applying taxes, etc.
re: #111 HappyWarrior
They would have I concede that but it would have been much harder to do that. I’m sorry but the conversation is going to be about Samantha Bee calling Ivanka the c-word regardless of where you go instead of Samantha Bee RIGHTFULLY calling out Ivanka for getting involved in our national affairs and portraying herself as a caring mother and doing nothing as her father makes life hell for immigrant children.
Well, we’ll probably have to agree to disagree here.
They had absolutely no trouble calling Barack Obama out for a tan suit, Michelle Obama for wearing a sleeveless dress, liberals being anti-American all my life, &c.
They have FOX News, hate talk radio, and hate Christian radio. They have an entire industry outside that creating grievances. Unless Samantha Bee was worshiping Ivanka Trump, they would create their grievances.
Hey @CillizzaCNN, since you’ve turned over a new leaf on the topic of name-calling (apparently), can you definitively state that you’re done updating the “President Donald Trump is the Michael Jordan of name-calling” (an actual quote from you) article?
— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) May 31, 2018
I dunno. In the end, I just see it as making the conversation unfortunately about Bee rather than what I think she was rightfully trying to draw attention to guys. I think the right’s outrage is phony and every liberal in the media should point that out but at the same time, I’m annoyed that the narrative is Samantha Bee called Ivanka that word rather than Samantha Bee called out the President’s daughter who is very active in his administration for doing nothing about chlidren separated from their parents at the border. I agree, conservatives were going to bitch up a storm regardless of what was said or not said but I think you can’t deny the discussion was forced. I don’t think Samantha did for publicity. She’s a mother an immigrant herself. She’s rightfully horrified by Trump’s terrible immigration’s policies and Ivanka’s charade. I don’t think she should be ruined over it but at the same time, I do think it was a fuck up. I’m not even say suspend her or that she necessarily needed to apologize.
Me trying to figure out what possible political or strategic reason the President would have for pardoning Rod Blagojevich vs me when I realize it’s just because he was on celebrity apprentice pic.twitter.com/aP9elIQcNF
— Dan Trombly (@stcolumbia) May 31, 2018
re: #91 Targetpractice
I was also hoping she wouldn’t, because now the howling will only get louder because an apology will be deemed “insufficient.”
And proof of guilt
re: #119 ObserverArt
I doubt it. It would be difficult to implement that and track it. New vehicles are easier to put a tariff on due to registering the completed vehicle and applying taxes, etc.
The reason I’m nervous about it is because for used trucks, the 25% ‘chicken tax’ is still applied on them regardless of them being 25 years or older, whereas vehicles are subjected to a mere duty of 2.5%.
If the ‘chicken tax’ can be applied unilaterally on used 25+ year old pickups, then it’s not out of the ordinary for vehicles to be applied with the same tariff as well.
It’s making me angry and nervous about future prospects.
re: #115 dangerman
i don’t see it as “fair minded”
“we” promote the constitutional, free speech argument (imo the only one that matters)and they pearl-clutch, feign outrage, and get all visceral and emotional
unfortunately that does rile some people up and bonds them together and …the ivanka vs roseanne comments arent merely in different ballparks
or different continentsthey are on different planets
Well said. And no matter how earnest or snarky we are in explaining 1A to them over and over and over it’s not going to change anything. They are full of crap and want their culture war dopamine hits.
re: #120 Anymouse 🌹
They have FOX News, hate talk radio, and hate Christian radio. They have an entire industry outside that creating grievances. Unless Samantha Bee was worshiping Ivanka Trump, they would create their grievances.
Of course they would, but even Silly Cillizza wouldn’t be able to feign much outrage over “feckless enabler” or a similar word. And feckless liberals wouldn’t be tempted to join the Outrage Machine to prove how “fair-minded” they are.
re: #120 Anymouse 🌹
Well, we’ll probably have to agree to disagree here.
They had absolutely no trouble calling Barack Obama out for a tan suit, Michelle Obama for wearing a sleeveless dress, liberals being anti-American all my life, &c.
They have FOX News, hate talk radio, and hate Christian radio. They have an entire industry outside that creating grievances. Unless Samantha Bee was worshiping Ivanka Trump, they would create their grievances.
I’m not talking about the right here. I’m talking about the entire media. A to D though. I just think it’s unfortunate that this is what’s going to happen. I do agree with you that nothing more than a thorough tongue bathing of Princess Ivanka by Samantha would have ticked them off but I think you’re missing my overall point that she made their narrative about what she called Ivanka much easier than if she had simply called Ivanka out. I don’t give a fuck what she called Ivanka. Ivanka’s a criminal whose father has said far worse things about political opponents while she sat in her high crown and said nothing and just kissed her gross father’s ass.
Oh boy, I have a dumb one…thank you @aceoaces
Ah, this is how shit works in totalitarian countries.
The Leader says someone who criticized him is guilty of something, and presents no evidence. And then bootlickers like you attack that person.
I bet you say you love freedom, don’t you? But you’re a bootlicker at heart.— jay (@random__name) May 31, 2018
Because your masters tell you they are guilty of something. And you are so eager to please them that you don’t even ask what the charges are, much less demand evidence. You’ll make up charges and evidence for your masters.
Like the good little quisling you are— jay (@random__name) May 31, 2018
re: #62 Anymouse 🌹
For my fourteenth birthday it was Ray Stevens “The Streak” (lol).
Today, it’s “This Is America” by Childish Gambino (never heard of it).
That has been posted here and talked about a heck of a lot. The video especially was discussed after Donald Glover (Childish Gambino) was the host of Saturday Night Live.
re: #127 Interesting Times
Of course they would, but even Silly Cillizza wouldn’t be able to feign much outrage over “feckless enabler” or a similar word. And feckless liberals wouldn’t be tempted to join the Outrage Machine to prove how “fair-minded” they are.
Thank you! I wasn’t talking about the right. They’re going to twist anything but yes. If she had just said feckless enabler, yeah the usual suspects would whine but there wouldn’t be much outrage. I think Samantha was genuinely speaking from the heart on this and she said something that distracted from the overall point.
There was going to be “outrage” because of the target, we’re just quibbling over how loud it would have been if the language had been different.
re: #65 Charles Johnson
I see some journalists and liberals are now jumping on the “bash Samantha Bee” bandwagon and clutching their pearls over her comment about Ivanka.
This is why the right wing wins way too much of the time. Liberals are so eager to show that they’re “fair-minded” that they react to this stuff EXACTLY how the right wants them to.
Conservatives never do this. It’s so fucking frustrating to see it every time.
Nice people always get tromped on by assholes.
The left side of the political spectrum better realize we are in a political war for the soul of this country.
War is not nice.
re: #96 HappyWarrior
Exactly. Instead we’re going to hear conesrvatives pearl clutch about her being called a see you next Tuesday. I’m sorry. I like Samantha a lot but she made the conversation about her rather than the kids that Ivanka’s father’s administration has neglected. That sucks and I understand why she was upset. Samantha’s not only a mother, she’s an immigrant herself.
use virtually any other word and this conversation would never have gotten started anywhere
the sad part, to me - is the same as the disconnect as the nfl -
they have co-opted the one action in order to absolutely bury the actual point and message
nfl - police behavior turned in to disrespecting the flag / you cant kneel
bee - trump’s awful immigration policy has turned into a discussion of ‘that word’ (i am not afraid to say it. i respect this is charles’s house, not mine)
re: #112 Anymouse 🌹
I looked up what I could about their web traffic, and it appears AutoTrader is number on in their category.
However, that category leaves off things like eBay, Yahoo, Facebook, and especially Craigslist, all of which can be used to move autos.
Back in the day (years ago), AutoTrader was for the usual used cars, Hemming’s was for the collectibles.
Planned Parenthood canceling abortion appointments in Arkansas after Supreme Court rejects challenge to abortion law https://t.co/OlyrMBneTF pic.twitter.com/1XlIcSZZxk
— The Hill (@thehill) May 31, 2018
“Both parties are the same!” https://t.co/cp395H9Acz
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) May 31, 2018
re: #132 Targetpractice
There was going to be “outrage” because of the target, we’re just quibbling over how loud it would have been if the language had been different.
How much outrage did SNL face for the Ivanka Trump “Complicit” mock perfume ad? I certainly don’t remember anything significant, nor any sort of boycott or backlash like this:
This just in from TBS: “Samantha Bee has taken the right action in apologizing for the vile and inappropriate language she used about Ivanka Trump last night. Those words should not have been aired. It was our mistake too, and we regret it.”
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) May 31, 2018
Spineless. Support your talent TBS. Instead, you made her apologize. https://t.co/jzVNwhfyZa
— Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) May 31, 2018
She CAN say it. She SHOULD say it. We SHOULD repeat it. Brava, @iamsambee !
— Holly Loftus (@malteseh) May 31, 2018
re: #131 HappyWarrior
Thank you! I wasn’t talking about the right. They’re going to twist anything but yes. If she had just said feckless enabler, yeah the usual suspects would whine but there wouldn’t be much outrage. I think Samantha was genuinely speaking from the heart on this and she said something that distracted from the overall point.
If she had said ‘enabler’ nobody would be talking about that piece. She does devestatingly good, funny and informative bits like it all the time and they don’t get enough shine IMO. But I agree, I don’t think she used the word for controversy, I think she was really pissed. We know exactly how she felt.
The man who likes to grab ‘em by the pussy without even asking, and who fantasizes about dating his complicit daughter, doesn’t like it when his daughter gets called a cunt.
Looks like all the videos from Samantha Bee’s latest show have been deleted from YouTube.
re: #134 dangerman
use virtually any other word and this conversation would never have gotten started anywhere
the sad part, to me - is the same as the disconnect as the nfl -
they have co-opted the one action in order to absolutely bury the actual point and messagenfl - police behavior turned in to disrespecting the flag / you cant kneel
bee - trump’s awful immigration policy has turned into a discussion of ‘that word’ (i am not afraid to say it. i respect this is charles’s house, not mine)
You’re saying it better than me. It just sucks because I really do think Samantha was speaking from a place of frustration and that makes it as you said above a different animal than Roseanne’s cheap attacks on Valerie Jarrett. But you’re right. It’s become about that word rather than Ivanka loves taking an active position in the administration when it benefits HER BOTTOM LINE but could care less if it’s other people being negatively impacted. Feckless enabler would have worked just as well but as I said, it’s an understandably emotional issue for Bee as both a mother and immigrant. I don’t think she needed to apologize necessarily but at the same time, I’m genuinely annoyed that the bulk of the conversation wherever is going to be on the word rather than the sentiment behind the words.
re: #117 BeachDem
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re: #133 ObserverArt
Nice people always get tromped on by assholes.
The left side of the political spectrum better realize we are in a political war for the soul of this country.
War is not nice.
My personal belief is that persons like Bee and others who subject to such “outrage” should respond to such by pointing out that this the very environment that the media promoted by talking up how awesome Trump is for being “anti-PC” and “telling it like it is.” That if their first instinct is to give mealy-mouthed excuses for such behavior from Roseanne Barr, then they have room to get “outraged” over the use of the word “cunt.” As I said upthread, the Cillizzas in the media already decided they’re prepared to condone this shit, they’re just arguing now that they be the gatekeepers over where the bar rests.
TBS is being a bunch of poopyheads about this.
re: #143 Charles Johnson
You know, this will cause an entire genre now of calling Ivanka and her ilk “cunt” on Youtube.
Youtube may flag them as offensive, but in general they don’t ban offensive language.
re: #147 Targetpractice
My personal belief is that persons like Bee and others who subject to such “outrage” should respond to such by pointing out that this the very environment that the media promoted by talking up how awesome Trump is for being “anti-PC” and “telling it like it is.” That if their first instinct is to give mealy-mouthed excuses for such behavior from Roseanne Barr, then they have room to get “outraged” over the use of the word “****.” As I said upthread, the Cillizzas in the media already decided they’re prepared to condone this shit, they’re just arguing now that they be the gatekeepers over where the bar rests.
Now that I absolutely agree with. The media especially people like Cillizza loved raveling in how Trump “wasn’t PC” and just told “things as they are”. That’s exactly why I think Sarah Huckabee Sanders should have been told to fuck off the minute she went off on TBS.
re: #130 ObserverArt
That has been posted here and talked about a heck of a lot. The video especially was discussed after Donald Glover (Childish Gambino) was the host of Saturday Night Live.
I missed it, as I don’t get to read everything here (though I wish I could, there are an awful lot of smart and informed people here).
re: #138 Interesting Times
How much outrage did SNL face for the Ivanka Trump “Complicit” mock perfume ad? I certainly don’t remember anything significant, nor any sort of boycott or backlash like this:
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I can’t remember a far-right talent being fired the day prior before SNL aired that. It’s always different when the far-right is looking for a scalp to nail to the wall, because then any “transgression” becomes totally “unacceptable.”
Ivanka remains a feckless, incompetent criminal ideally placed to continue insider trading and selling national policy for private gain.
re: #134 dangerman
use virtually any other word and this conversation would never have gotten started anywhere
the sad part, to me - is the same as the disconnect as the nfl -
they have co-opted the one action in order to absolutely bury the actual point and messagenfl - police behavior turned in to disrespecting the flag / you cant kneel
bee - trump’s awful immigration policy has turned into a discussion of ‘that word’ (i am not afraid to say it. i respect this is charles’s house, not mine)
FWIW, I don’t think guys that don’t say it are afraid to. I think they find it inappropriate (yes, it’s a U.S. thing that may be changing I guess) and I’ve been inclined to agree.
re: #74 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis
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A lot of Puerto Ricans have been doing that themselves, which could give Republicans some trouble in Florida, I hope.
White person calling black person an ape = a racist insult
Woman calling woman a c**t ≠ a sexist insult
re: #156 Blind Frog Belly White
Put another way, Roseanne was punching down. Samantha Bee was punching up.
re: #95 jaunte
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Former WH official, on D’Souza pardon, says he doesn’t think Trump is playing “the sort of three-dimensional chess people ascribe to decisions like this. More often than not he’s just eating the pieces.” https://t.co/aXw3uX7Fy7
— Sarah Mimms (@SarahMMimms) May 31, 2018
This is the Untouchables all over again.
You send one of their to the hospital (in this case mental hospital - Rosanne).
They (attempt) to send one to the morgue.
Every time some nasty person on the right gets their come-uppins the right looks to do it to a person that they perceive to be their enemy (even if that person did something much less offensive - the outrage machine will work in overdrive - read: twitter bots).
I’m down today. My only cure…. indictments please (hopefully at least on Friday).
Of course it was a lie. He’s a total scumbag, now crowing about a pardon from another scumbag, as he attacks a good man.
I’ve given up hope that the American right will ever do the right thing.— Jeff “We call BS” Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) May 31, 2018
re: #140 JordanRules
If she had said ‘enabler’ nobody would be talking about that piece. She does devestatingly good, funny and informative bits like it all the time and they don’t get enough shine IMO. But I agree, I don’t think she used the word for controversy, I think she was really pissed. We know exactly how she felt.
Wtf does everybody think “full frontal” Is short for?
Because it wasn’t part of a centuries long propaganda effort to deny humanity to white people. That’s why.
— Hal Perry (@halperry) May 31, 2018
re: #158 BeachDem
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This didn’t need a Buzzfeed article. He pardoned a guy who kisses his ass and hates Obama as much as him. End of story. And he had help from Cruz who shares that. Cruz btw is an even bigger feckelsss enabler than Ivanka is though. Trump literally calls his father a murderer and Cruz is there to bend down to kiss Donald’s ass every chance he gets. If I were Rafael Cruz, Sr, I’d write Ted out of my will. I have no love for the older Cruz but that was fucking disgusting what Trump said about his father.
re: #158 BeachDem
As I’ve heard people say elsewhere, Cheeto Benito is pardoning people who mirror his own crimes:
1) Contempt of court and civil rights violations (Sheriff Joe)
2) Obstruction of Justice (Scooter Libby)
3) Campaign finance violations (Douche D’Souza)
4) Insider trading and perjury (Martha Stewart)
5) Corruption up the wazoo (Blagojevich)
re: #158 BeachDem
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This is why I’ve grown accustomed to rolling my eyes when people ascribe to Trump some grand strategy for his actions. The man operates on a totally instinctual level, he doesn’t have the mental bandwidth for the sort of scheming that is often ascribed to his actions. To think that his decision to pardon D’ouchebag is anything but a response to something he saw on FNC is to convey upon him a level of intellect he has proven not to possess in the slightest.
re: #163 thecommodore
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Context, how the fuck does ti work. God these people are so intellectually dishonest. Fucking conservative hacks.
re: #165 Interesting Times
As I’ve heard people say elsewhere, Cheeto Benito is pardoning people who mirror his own crimes:
1) Contempt of court and civil rights violations (Sheriff Joe)
2) Obstruction of Justice (Scooter Libby)
3) Campaign finance violations (Douche D’Souza)
4) Insider trading and perjury (Martha Stewart)
5) Corruption up the wazoo (Blagojevich)
Which means it doesn’t have to be all that strategic. He just sees everything he does as perfectly fine, so somebody else doing it is perfectly fine, too.
re: #120 Anymouse 🌹
Well, we’ll probably have to agree to disagree here.
They had absolutely no trouble calling Barack Obama out for a tan suit, Michelle Obama for wearing a sleeveless dress, liberals being anti-American all my life, &c.
They have FOX News, hate talk radio, and hate Christian radio. They have an entire industry outside that creating grievances. Unless Samantha Bee was worshiping Ivanka Trump, they would create their grievances.
‘mouse, do you notice what is not in your list?
An outright vulgarity.
I understand your point, hell, I understand everyone making their points here.
And I love Ms. Bee!
But she really should not have used that vulgarity. That is the difference.
In a way the “C” word can be seen a bit like the “N” word.
The left needs to tighten up their game. There are ways to attack without “going there.” Politics is more or less about public messaging…and that is not a good message.
Dammit. Trump has turned this whole thing into his way of doing things. He can get away with murder. He was right when he said he could go out on 5th Avenue and shoot someone.
re: #165 Interesting Times
As I’ve heard people say elsewhere, Cheeto Benito is pardoning people who mirror his own crimes:
1) Contempt of court and civil rights violations (Sheriff Joe)
2) Obstruction of Justice (Scooter Libby)
3) Campaign finance violations (Douche D’Souza)
4) Insider trading and perjury (Martha Stewart)
5) Corruption up the wazoo (Blagojevich)
You know, I never thought about that.That’s a damn good observation.
Ivanka Trump is an empty Banana Republic gift card with security clearance.
— Louis Virtel (@louisvirtel) May 31, 2018
Much of the post-1945 liberal international order, and especially after 1989, was based on two principles: collective security (i.e. NATO) and free trade (i.e. the EU, GATT, NAFTA, the WTO etc). Trump is systematically undermining both. This is a tectonic shift in world history.
— Jasmin Mujanović (@JasminMuj) May 31, 2018
That’s an emotional appeal, one that likely doesn’t register in this WH, but it is a clear signal of how fundamentally Ottawa feels betrayed. And that’s a sentiment largely shared by the EU states. So, beyond the economic impact, it’s the political fallout that will burn us all.
— Jasmin Mujanović (@JasminMuj) May 31, 2018
re: #163 thecommodore
Another example of the conservative grievance machine being able to gin up grievance about anything. And how much calling Bush “a monkey” was actually going on? I don’t recall it (but the plural of anecdote is not evidence). I heard him called Dubya.
There is absolutely nothing a person can say disparaging a conservative or his position that the outrage machine cannot make into a thing. Rosanne Barr’s horrific tweet has been spun for a couple days now as a “not as bad” or “just as bad” or “liberal snowflakes” to just about anything else.
A lot of Conservatives either do not understand the concept of context, or pretend to be stupid, so they can pretend to be right about something stupid they believe.
— Jeff “We call BS” Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) May 31, 2018
re: #174 Anymouse 🌹
Another example of the conservative grievance machine being able to gin up grievance about anything. And how much calling Bush “a monkey” was actually going on? I don’t recall it (but the plural of anecdote is not evidence). I heard him called Dubya.
There is absolutely nothing a person can say disparaging a conservative or his position that the outrage machine cannot make into a thing. Rosanne Barr’s horrific tweet has been spun for a couple days now as a “not as bad” or “just as bad” or “liberal snowflakes” to just about anything else.
Oh. There were plenty of times Bush was called Chimpy. But it’s frigging different. And besides I thought conservatives hated moral relativism. That is if they think it was wrong to call Bush a chimp, they should think it’s wrong for Roseanne to call Jarrett an ape but they’re dishonest hacks.
re: #175 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis
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I think a lot of them genuinely are that stupid which is why people like Trump appeal to them.
re: #152 Targetpractice
I can’t remember a far-right talent being fired the day prior before SNL aired that. It’s always different when the far-right is looking for a scalp to nail to the wall, because then any “transgression” becomes totally “unacceptable.”
They tried to do it with Bill Maher but only wound up looking like idiots for various reasons. So it’s true that Samantha Bee inadvertently gave them the best gift they could’ve hoped for. I still don’t think they’ would have been able to get any traction outside of the trumpchump base had Bee used different words (e.g. feckless enabler, complicit fake, etc)
re: #156 Blind Frog Belly White
White person calling black person an ape = a racist insult
Woman calling woman a c**t ≠ a sexist insult
They only heard the word. Context doesn’t matter. Also, everyone is just waiting to be outraged and to pounce. The internet sure doesn’t help because if anything can make mountains out of mole hills in record time…the ‘net is it.
re: #128 HappyWarrior
I’m not talking about the right here. I’m talking about the entire media. A to D though. I just think it’s unfortunate that this is what’s going to happen. I do agree with you that nothing more than a thorough tongue bathing of Princess Ivanka by Samantha would have ticked them off but I think you’re missing my overall point that she made their narrative about what she called Ivanka much easier than if she had simply called Ivanka out. I don’t give a fuck what she called Ivanka. Ivanka’s a criminal whose father has said far worse things about political opponents while she sat in her high crown and said nothing and just kissed her gross father’s ass.
I agree with you completely. I am not a fan of this particular language; it just distracts from the point.
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re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter
I agree with you completely. I am not a fan of this particular language; it just distracts from the point.
Exactly. Instead of talking about kids estranged from their parents, we’re talking about the c word. Now I really don’t think Bee meant for it be that way but it’s whats going to happen and you know what, that sucks.
re: #161 dangerman
Wtf does everybody think “full frontal” Is short for?
She’s relished more than any other person I’ve seen on TV in the loosening of language restriction. And it’s been worth it.
re: #145 HappyWarrior
You’re saying it better than me. It just sucks because I really do think Samantha was speaking from a place of frustration and that makes it as you said above a different animal than Roseanne’s cheap attacks on Valerie Jarrett. But you’re right. It’s become about that word rather than Ivanka loves taking an active position in the administration when it benefits HER BOTTOM LINE but could care less if it’s other people being negatively impacted. Feckless enabler would have worked just as well but as I said, it’s an understandably emotional issue for Bee as both a mother and immigrant. I don’t think she needed to apologize necessarily but at the same time, I’m genuinely annoyed that the bulk of the conversation wherever is going to be on the word rather than the sentiment behind the words.
these repetitive faux-rages are frustrasting
and we may be coming to a do you want to be right or do you want to win kind of calculus
because i do believe our positions are right
and it’s also clear that we dont win the arguments
- repeated and blatant racism is not comparable to offensive words, even when those offensive words are targeted at an individual or even a group
- Bee used language some people find offensive, even in a comedic setting.
- Barr is/was outright racist, not even in a comedic setting. Her employer wouldn’t have it.
Michael Richards was outright racist in a comedic setting. i dont recall if he was even trying to be funny at that moment. how did it work out for him?
Sigh…
So they literally managed to ‘both sides same thing’ Sam Bee’s segment toward Roseanne’s outbursts and the millions of other vile epithets GOP figures hurl every day, and now we might be on the brink of her losing her job because context doesn’t matter anymore, and we’re constantly dancing on the head of the GOP’s pin consistently and forever thanks to feckless enabling?
After everything else today? I’m fucking done. Fuck it.
I’m tuning out before I strangle a fucking cat or something. Maybe I can blame that on Ambien and get taken seriously.
re: #166 Targetpractice
This is why I’ve grown accustomed to rolling my eyes when people ascribe to Trump some grand strategy for his actions. The man operates on a totally instinctual level, he doesn’t have the mental bandwidth for the sort of scheming that is often ascribed to his actions. To think that his decision to pardon D’ouchebag is anything but a response to something he saw on FNC is to convey upon him a level of intellect he has proven not to possess in the slightest.
Trump operates on a street level. He is a street corner con man. They are smart in their own way and they take advantage of people. The goal in for them to take a mark for everything they can. That is Trump’s goal.
re: #178 Interesting Times
They tried to do it with Bill Maher but only wound up looking like idiots for various reasons. So it’s true that Samantha Bee inadvertently gave them the best gift they could’ve hoped for. I still don’t think they’ would have been able to get any traction outside of the trumpchump base had Bee used different words (e.g. feckless enabler, complicit fake, etc)
The fake outrage is precisely about that word.
Well, the way things have been going, we should have a new “issue” for the press to yell squirrel at by the weekend.
re: #147 Targetpractice
My personal belief is that persons like Bee and others who subject to such “outrage” should respond to such by pointing out that this the very environment that the media promoted by talking up how awesome Trump is for being “anti-PC” and “telling it like it is.” That if their first instinct is to give mealy-mouthed excuses for such behavior from Roseanne Barr, then they have room to get “outraged” over the use of the word “****.” As I said upthread, the Cillizzas in the media already decided they’re prepared to condone this shit, they’re just arguing now that they be the gatekeepers over where the bar rests.
give her time
Not that I am a fan of Chris Cillizza, but on the night that Roseanne attacked Valerie Jarrett and Chelsea Clinton, she also attacked Chris Cillizza.
re: #170 ObserverArt
‘mouse, do you notice what is not in your list?
An outright vulgarity.
I understand your point, hell, I understand everyone making their points here.
And I love Ms. Bee!
But she really should not have used that vulgarity. That is the difference.
In a way the “C” word can be seen a bit like the “N” word.
The left needs to tighten up their game. There are way to attack without “going there.” Politics is more or less about public messaging…and that is not a good message.
Dammit. Trump has turned this whole thing into his way of doing things. He can get away with murder. He was right when he said he could go out on 5th Avenue and shoot someone.
That’s the thing, “war is not nice,” as you said upthread. It is rather appropriate that we’re having this discussion in the lead-up to the centennial of the end of WWI, as it also marked the end of the idea of “civilized war.” For centuries prior, the “civilized” world conned themselves into believing that no matter how bloody a war got, rules would still be adhered to like not targeting officers and giving quarter no matter the circumstances. All that died in the mud of No Man’s Land and war has never been the same since.
Trump’s presidency could also be seen as to mark the end of “civilized” politics as we know them, when the fight for America’s soul ceased being a polite exchange of ideas and became a vulgar brawl.
re: #170 ObserverArt
‘mouse, do you notice what is not in your list?
An outright vulgarity.
I understand your point, hell, I understand everyone making their points here.
And I love Ms. Bee!
But she really should not have used that vulgarity. That is the difference.
In a way the “C” word can be seen a bit like the “N” word.
The left needs to tighten up their game. There are way to attack without “going there.” Politics is more or less about public messaging…and that is not a good message.
Dammit. Trump has turned this whole thing into his way of doing things. He can get away with murder. He was right when he said he could go out on 5th Avenue and shoot someone.
And yet plenty of people went with “boy” and all sorts of epithets for Barack Obama. Gorilla and “tranny” for Michelle Obama.
Canadians are nice to a point. If you really piss us off…watch out!
re: #154 JordanRules
FWIW, I don’t think guys that don’t say it are afraid to. I think they find it inappropriate (yes, it’s a U.S. thing that may be changing I guess) and I’ve been inclined to agree.
true enough
I think Bee went right there because woman/one of us / we can dis our own and all that
some time back (before mrs dm of course) i had a Brit gf for a year or so
she could deploy it with just vicious aplomb and /or throw-away reckless abandon
i got somewhat numb to its edginess
re: #184 dangerman
(cut) Michael Richards was outright racist in a comedic setting. i dont recall if he was even trying to be funny at that moment. how did it work out for him?
Subsequently due to significant media coverage of the event he announced his retirement from stand-up early in 2007. He appeared as himself in the seventh season of Curb Your Enthusiasm in 2009, acting alongside his fellow cast members for the first time since Seinfeld’s finale, as well as lampooning his incident at the Laugh Factory. In 2013, Richards returned to television when he played the role of Frank in the sitcom Kirstie. en.wikipedia.org
He’s not hurting.
re: #191 Anymouse 🌹
And yet plenty of people went with “boy” and all sorts of epithets for Barack Obama. Gorilla and “tranny” for Michelle Obama.
Yes…but still not a vulgarity.
You are an editor. I would think this would be very clear to you. Again, I understand your point. I don’t think you are completely understanding our “enemies.”
You don’t give them your position and your gun by being unaware of theirs.
(Put that in military jargon for you Mr. Vet!)
re: #174 Anymouse 🌹
Another example of the conservative grievance machine being able to gin up grievance about anything. And how much calling Bush “a monkey” was actually going on? I don’t recall it (but the plural of anecdote is not evidence). I heard him called Dubya.
There is absolutely nothing a person can say disparaging a conservative or his position that the outrage machine cannot make into a thing. Rosanne Barr’s horrific tweet has been spun for a couple days now as a “not as bad” or “just as bad” or “liberal snowflakes” to just about anything else.
There was a funny meme showing Bush facial expressions mirrored by chimps. Obviously, though, it was a personal insult with no racial implications.
re: #195 ObserverArt
Yes…but still not a vulgarity.
You are an editor. I would think this would be very clear to you. Again, I understand your point. I don’t think you are completely understanding our “enemies.”
You don’t give them your position and your gun by being unaware of theirs.
(Put that in military jargon for you Mr. Vet!)
You’re correct. You don’t surrender while you have the means to resist.
Hence Kathy Griffith piling on in support of Samantha Bee.
re: #60 gocart mozart
Not a fan of the c word, BUT Kathy Griffin is absolutely correct that we’ve headed into First Amendment territory. The word is vulgar as hell but government has no right to shut her up. (Her employer, that’s a different story.)
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