Yet Another Exceptional NPR Tiny Desk Concert: The Band’s Visit

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May 21, 2018 | Josh Rogosin — After nearly 800 Tiny Desk concerts, The Band’s Visit is the first Broadway musical ever to play the series.

The crew from the show, which opened last November at the Ethel Barrymore Theater, descended on NPR at 8:30 a.m. — seven musicians, five actors, a wardrobe department, a make-up artist, a publicist, a music director, the composer and even a vlogger. We started early so they could hustle back to Manhattan for a 7 p.m. curtain.

The story of The Band’s Visit, composer David Yazbek told the Tiny Desk audience, “is about hope and faith and silence and music.” It tells the tale of Egyptian musicians stranded in a small Israeli village. The townspeople have no choice but to take them in. Eventually, the love of music allows the characters to see past their differences and form an unlikely bond in a single night. The musical was adapted from the 2007 film and has been nominated for 11 Tony Awards.

From the first note strummed on the oud, Yazbek’s nominated score transports the Tiny Desk to the Middle East with traditional instrumentation and melodies, and weaves in beautiful theatrical ballads.

Among the cast are Tony Shalhoub (known for his TV roles in Monk and The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel) and Broadway veteran Katrina Lenk (Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark, Once and Indecent). They both have been nominated for their lead performances.

Although it’s a Broadway smash hit, it lacks the opulent, bring-down-the-house song and dance numbers. It’s a more intimate show with some universal messages that fit the up, close and personal space of the Tiny Desk.

The Band’s Visit insists that it’s OK, even essential, to get “stuck” with strangers who have different perspectives. It serves as a poignant reminder that our common connection to music can rise above the noise of intolerance.

Yazbek’s poem Itgara’a, translated here from Arabic and sung a cappella by Tony Shalhoub, sums up the show’s philosophy:

When you drink, drink deeply.

Drink deeply of the moonlight

drink deeply of the dark

of the loneliness

of the joy.

You will never drain the moonlight

you can never end the dark.

In your eyes, the flash of joy

in your mouth, the sweet shock of honey.

You are the joy

you are the loneliness.

Drink deep.

MUSICIANS
Harvey Valdes (oud / guitar), Garo Yellin (cello), Sam Sadigursky (clarinets), Ossama Farouk (darbuka / frame drum), Alexandra Eckhardt (bass), Andrea Grody (piano), David Yazbek (composer / host), Katrina Lenk (“Dina” / vocals), Kristen Sieh (“Iris” / vocals), Adam Kantor (“Telephone Guy” / vocals), Tony Shalhoub (“Tewfiq” / vocals), George Abud (“Camal” / violin / vocals)

SET LIST
“Soraya”
“Omar Sharif”
“Itgara’a”
“Haj-Butrus”
“Answer Me”

CREDITS
Producers: Josh Rogosin, Morgan Noelle Smith, Tom Huizenga, Jeff Rogers; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineers: Josh Rogosin, James Willetts; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Niki Walker, Bronson Arcuri, Maia Stern; Production Assistant: Stefanie Fernández; Photo: Eslah Attar/NPR.

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BigPapa  May 31, 2018 • 9:08:54pm

I hope to master shade this cold some day

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 9:15:27pm

Patriarchal preachers still coming out of the woodwork for Paige Patterson. Trumpers most of them, of course.

Fortunately, there are others who are fighting back against them.

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HappyWarrior  May 31, 2018 • 9:18:24pm

re: #1 BigPapa

I hope to master shade this cold some day

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Corrupt news media? You ever watch Fox News, Curt?

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 9:24:54pm

Don’t give the fundamentalists an inch:

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 9:26:05pm

Left behind on the last thread:

re: #210 BigPapa

True. Not GOP, but just like GOP on every issue. Except the pedo, that’s not on the GOP’s platform.

It’s the Libertarians who seem to have a problem with that sort of thing, along with civil rights in general. A good chunk of their party are okay with it, because they see everything through the “private property” lens and coveture and slavery are aspects of private property.

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freetoken  May 31, 2018 • 9:29:59pm

I skipped most of season 2 of The Expanse because the first episode just seemed too slow for me.

However, picking up the last couple of episodes of season 3, it appears the story is moving nicely to some sort of climax.

Glad Amazon picked up a final season to close out the story. I wonder what the budget will be though for production.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 31, 2018 • 9:33:10pm

Pretty much all my Canadian friends and family are pissed at Trump for the Tarriffs.

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Dave In Austin  May 31, 2018 • 9:34:34pm
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retired cynic  May 31, 2018 • 9:35:49pm

re: #8 Dave In Austin
What strength she has.

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meteor  May 31, 2018 • 9:35:53pm
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BigPapa  May 31, 2018 • 9:37:35pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 9:38:57pm

re: #8 Dave In Austin

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These trolls will never learn that Chelsea will smack them down every time!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 9:44:39pm

This whole day has been a pain in the butt from going to the gym this morning to dealing with the Trump fan at work…

I deeply appreciate everyone who had my back this morning. That’s how we will survive the turd in the White House.

I’m at the point now where I’ve had it with RepubliKKKlans and I’m not going to take any more #2 from them. That includes my brainwashed insane family members who worship the ground Trump walks on. I’m not taking any more of their insults and now they’re going to receive Harlan Ellison style Tongue Fu from me. One MAGA thought he could shoot his mouth off on the train coming home. He wound up with ears redder than Prince’s Hot Chicken. And I appreciated the applause from the folks in the train…

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austin_blue  May 31, 2018 • 9:47:22pm

I haven’t done a lot of commenting on the meat of what happened politically, today, but I closely watched the conversation.

My takes:

What Sam Bee called Ivanka can’t be viewed through the lens of what other countries think of the word. Here in the US, it is viewed as the female equivalent of calling a black person a n******. A c*** in the US is a road whore, a scag, a crack addict giving $5 blow jobs for drugs, or, in TrumpWorld, Hillary Clinton.

Let that sink in for a minute.

The fact that Ivanka faffs about about family and blah blah blah, while not busting her dad’s chops for what he is doing to families seeking asylum in this country is a really, really valid criticism. It exposes her as suffering from extraordinary white privilege bias, at best, or just depraved indifference at worst. She deserves to be pilloried.

But *that* word should never have been uttered, and I am not talking about “feckless”. That’s a good word, because it’s accurate.

I don’t care if it’s a man or a woman who describes another woman using it. I don’t care if it’s a satirical comedy show. That word is a trigger in this country. You use it to describe a road whore, a scag, a crack addict giving $5 blow jobs for drugs, or, in TrumpWorld, Hillary Clinton.

It was a major blunder by Bee and her staff. You just cannot, cannot, use that word to cavalierly describe the daughter of a sitting President, no matter how shallow that daughter is, or how vile the President is. It was air-dropping machine gun ammo into the enemy lines. Free Gift!

It destroyed the very valid point that Bee was trying to highlight, that Drumpf’s policies toward asylum seekers was ripping families asunder was causing horrific pain and inhuman suffering to people who just didn’t want to watch their children get slaughtered.

The chance that there will be a discussion on the White House support for this horrible piece of public policy is now gone. And that is a fucking tragedy, and was entirely preventable.

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retired cynic  May 31, 2018 • 9:51:28pm

re: #14 austin_blue

I agree. That word makes my skin crawl. I remember hearing when McCain called his wife Cindi that in front of a reporter. It changed the way I felt about him for all time.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 9:54:25pm

re: #11 BigPapa

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That was so rough to watch! Myyy goodness JR.

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BigPapa  May 31, 2018 • 10:01:37pm

re: #16 JordanRules

Twitter is fire right now

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 10:09:50pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Pretty much all my Canadian friends and family are pissed at Trump for the Tarriffs.

If a purge of opposition politicians takes place under the New Conservative Cruelty (tm), if I flee to Canada will they let me in as a political refugee?

My wife’s first ex-hub recently remarried, to a Canadian woman from New Brunswick. They called today and she was proud of just becoming an American citizen. All I could think of was “why the heck would you do that now?”

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2018 • 10:10:02pm

Fun fact! @rupertmurdoch has not Twitter’d in over two years.

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Romantic Heretic  May 31, 2018 • 10:20:53pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Pretty much all my Canadian friends and family are pissed at Trump for the Tarriffs.

I just rolled my eyes and said, “Quelle surprise!”

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austin_blue  May 31, 2018 • 10:22:56pm

6:00 am wake up, plane to catch for Little Rock, two weeks in Hot Springs for orchestra boot camp. 16 concerts in 14 days. It’s a hoot.

If you are nearby, come and see. Quality stuff. Info at hotmusic.org

Night all. Sweet dreams. I’ll miss you while I’m gone. If I can pop in I will, but it’s kind of hectic.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 10:23:24pm

re: #8 Dave In Austin

A whole bunch of people on Twitter have reported that account (Cameron Stocker) for harassment, but so far Twitter still has it up. Maybe needs a few more reports. He has 21 followers since last year.

Google image search also matches the image to a Chainsmokers video (a screen shot from the video maybe)? I would try to search for it but the strobing of the video makes it impossible for me to watch.

#SELFIE (Official Music Video) - The Chainsmokers

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 10:23:35pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Fun fact! @rupertmurdoch has not Twitter’d in over two years.

He knows better.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 10:24:33pm

re: #22 Anymouse 🌹

I got a feeling that Cameron is a Russian Bot. I reported it to Twitter but as usual I don’t expect them to do anything.

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2018 • 10:25:41pm

Probably the worst thing I’ve ever created.

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2018 • 10:28:54pm

This one!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 10:29:52pm

I can’t wait for the fighting to break out at the next Southern Fried Baptist convention!

This might be a preview of things to come…

Pastor Street Fighter 2 [12 Church Warrior Edition]

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2018 • 10:30:37pm

From last thread:
re: #182 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think there is any doubt now that the right’s obsession with ugly fantasies like Pizzagate and Q-Anon is, in fact, projection and misdirection for their own massive pedophile and pervert problem. They keep making lurid accusations but it’s their people who keep getting arrested or otherwise exposed.The popularity and persistence of these fantasies would suggest that some level of real knowledge of the problem is also quite widespread on the right. In this respect it would be similar to the Catholic pedophile scandals but on a much larger scale.

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Ace-o-aces  May 31, 2018 • 10:35:36pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 10:36:38pm

re: #27 Joe Bacon 🌹

I can’t wait for the fighting to break out at the next Southern Fried Baptist convention!

This might be a preview of things to come…

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And that is coming up in June. Get your ringside tickets now.

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Ace-o-aces  May 31, 2018 • 10:37:40pm

Her Twitter-Fu is unbeatable!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 10:45:29pm

re: #31 Ace-o-aces

Her Twitter-Fu is unbeatable!

Stormy Daniels is pretty good at that as well, though she hasn’t been on in a couple days (she is travelling to Denver for a show June 1).

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Varek Raith  May 31, 2018 • 10:54:17pm

This is a hoot.
RIP Pubg.
/:P

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 11:37:04pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

This one!

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Noooooo!!!!! Al Gore’s intertubes have no chill!
LOL!!!

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 11:39:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 11:39:59pm
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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 11:40:00pm
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DodgerFan1988  May 31, 2018 • 11:42:02pm

They will blame illegals, of course.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2018 • 11:46:42pm

re: #38 DodgerFan1988

They will blame illegals, of course.

Or Obama. After all, the appalling response to Hurricane Katrina is also his fault.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 11:48:51pm

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹

Or Obama. After all, the appalling response to Hurricane Katrina is also his fault.

I was definitely gonna throw Barry in there too.
Barry S. Undocumented Sr.

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JordanRules  May 31, 2018 • 11:53:35pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:14:54am

Two Texas teens are #1 and #2 at the conclusion of the National Spelling Bee. Will they be invited to the White House?

Well, there’s this:

[Karthik] Nemmani continued a longtime trend by becoming the 14th champion or co-champion of South Asian descent the bee has had in 11 consecutive years.

Second place went to Naysa Modi, also of South Asian descent.

[Details at the WaPo washingtonpost.com]

Now, maybe Trump is all down with South Asian brown people. After all, he just pardoned Dinesh D’Hoohoo. But I really don’t expect he’s going to invite two smart kids of any ethnic persuasion to meet with him.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:18:12am
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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:26:27am
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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:31:38am
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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:35:12am

Short Thread…a surge of sorts.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:37:38am

re: #46 JordanRules

Having just finished a history of the Third Reich, this memo has a certain reminiscent ring to it.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:49:35am

re: #47 wheat-dogg

Having just finished a history of the Third Reich, this memo has a certain reminiscent ring about it.

Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring!!!!!!!!!

It’s scary to me on it’s own, but then you add the context and gaze of near history and we know what’s up.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:53:34am

re: #48 JordanRules

Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring!!!!!!!!!

It’s scary to me on it’s own, but then you add the context and gaze of near history and we know what’s up.

Trump & Co. have found their scapegoats, and will do everything possible to push those people out of the USA. Muslims may be next.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:58:52am
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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 1:02:52am

re: #49 wheat-dogg

Trump & Co. have found their scapegoats, and will do everything possible to push those people out of the USA. Muslims may be next.

That is what the ‘travel ban’ was about. It’s already in motion.
Black and Brown folks who are already here are primed for the prison to workcamp pipeline via centuries of history and systemic preparedness.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 1:03:59am
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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 1:27:43am
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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 1:36:29am
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 1, 2018 • 1:47:42am
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Teukka  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:09:23am

OT, but just found this meme pic on a computer theme…

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:13:18am

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:15:30am

Kim Jong Kardashian?

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:16:53am

re: #58 Single-handed sailor

Kin Jong Kardashian?

Yes.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:18:57am

I know my cock-eyed women.

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:19:23am

re: #58 Single-handed sailor

Kim Jong Kardashian?

re: #59 JordanRules

Yes.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:28:18am
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Teukka  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:35:46am

And for any lizardim apart from yours truly who are located in Sweden: Fire hazard in all purple areas, be very careful with fire: Image: 680.jpg

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:42:34am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:46:24am

Meanwhile, here in Europe:

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has been forced out of office by a no-confidence vote in parliament.

Socialist leader Pedro Sánchez, who filed the motion after Mr Rajoy’s party was implicated in a corruption scandal, will become prime minister.

“We’re going to sign a new page in the history of democracy in our country,” Mr Sanchez said ahead of Friday’s vote.

Mr Rajoy is the first prime minister in modern Spanish history to be defeated in a no-confidence motion.

bbc.com

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:46:48am

:-D

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:47:16am

Live coverage of the situation in Spain here:

thelocal.es

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 2:59:55am

Thready…

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 1, 2018 • 3:00:21am

How about Italy? I heard some positive news on their government forming and the impending financial meltdown being minimized.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 3:01:53am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2018 • 3:15:21am

re: #69 Single-handed sailor

How about Italy? I heard some positive news on their government forming and the impending financial meltdown being minimized.

Seems they’ve formed a (populist) government there. Lega and 5-Star.

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 3:22:29am

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Populists…fucking awesome. So instead of being super-boned now, we’re just boned later.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2018 • 3:38:28am

So, looks like the new album from Ghost - Prequelle - is getting solid reviews. I’ve got it already (I pre-ordered it) and yeah….it’s very good.

Personally, I’d give it 8/10. One track - to me, at least - fell just a little flat, but this new album is a brilliant tribute/throwback to arena rock from the 1970s and 80’s.

revolvermag.com

loudersound.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2018 • 3:49:53am

re: #72 I cannot.

Populists…fucking awesome. So instead of being super-boned now, we’re just boned later.

Italy has always been ungovernable, this is just a new form of chaos

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2018 • 3:52:39am

re: #56 Teukka

OT, but just found this meme pic on a computer theme…

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2018 • 3:58:30am

This is……..interesting (in a horrific sort of way):

A Transavia flight to the Spanish island of Gran Canaria was forced to make an emergency landing in Portugal when several passengers reportedly became ill by the “unbearable” smell of an “unwashed” man onboard.

The male passenger allegedly smelled so bad that others on the flight began fainting and vomiting once the plane took off from Schiphol Airport in the Netherlands.

One Belgian passenger, Piet van Haut, told Express the man smelled like he had not bathed in “several weeks.”

“It was like he hadn’t washed himself for several weeks. Several passengers got sick and had to puke,” van Haut said.

According to the publication, airline crew members tried to keep the man contained in the airplane bathroom while the pilot diverted the flight.

The man was taken off the plane and placed on a bus by medical personnel.

The plane landed in Faro in Portugal where the man was removed from the Boeing 737 and placed on a bus by medical personnel.

Hmmm………..anyone know where Ted Nugent is?

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jeffreyw  Jun 1, 2018 • 4:03:59am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 4:45:55am

re: #8 Dave In Austin

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Rush Limbaugh and McCain both made fun of her and Bee wasn’t making fun of Ivanka. She was criticizing her. There’s a difference. And yeah Chelsea is awesome.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 4:54:56am

re: #8 Dave In Austin

Cameron Stocker
@cameron_stocker
Such a nasty nasty word. If anyone could be the “C” word it could only be Hillary! I don’t remember anyone making fun of Chelsea while she was ‘The First Daughter ’ and there was a huge amount of subject matter. Probably the ugliest child to have ever been in the WH!
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McCain made a vile joke about Chelsea Clinton in 1998 and Rush Limbaugh insulted her back in 1993. The true obscenity is mocking children — and even adults — for their physical appearance.

GOT fans (and Samantha Bee may watch the show) are familiar with the “C” word. The Hound has used it on several occasions but never in reference to a woman, always to insult a man. Samantha should have known better.

Chelsea seems to be a charming woman; I wonder if she has political ambitions for her future,

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 4:56:38am

re: #68 JordanRules

Thready…

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Point number 10 so much.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:00:24am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:08:13am

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

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It’s also why we need to get rid of Trump and Pence. Trump is definitely going to pardon everyone in the Russian investigation right down to the coffee boy.

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:13:05am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Hell, at this point, I wouldn’t put it past him to pardon EVERYONE on the way out just to fuck up everything.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:14:46am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Corrupt news media? You ever watch Fox News, Curt?

Fox isn’t news.

That’s your problem right there.

Fox is misinformation.
Fox is disinformation.
Fox is agitprop.

Fox isn’t reporting news - and even when it accidentally stumbles on actual news, its on-air personalities ignore it, just as Hannity ignores every goddamned segment Shep Smith runs showing Hannity is a conspiracy theory tool of Trump and mother Russia.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:14:49am

re: #83 I cannot.

Hell, at this point, I wouldn’t put it past him to pardon EVERYONE on the way out just to fuck up everything.

I’m sure he wants to pardon everyone right now but his legal advisers are telling him to wait.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:15:23am

re: #84 lawhawk

Fox isn’t news.

That’s your problem right there.

Fox is misinformation.
Fox is disinformation.
Fox is agitprop.

Fox isn’t reporting news - and even when it accidentally stumbles on actual news, its on-air personalities ignore it, just as Hannity ignores every goddamned segment Shep Smith runs showing Hannity is a conspiracy theory tool of Trump and mother Russia.

That’s very true.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:17:08am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

It’s also why we need to get rid of Trump and Pence. Trump is definitely going to pardon everyone in the Russian investigation right down to the coffee boy.

If he pardons people, doesn’t that mean that Mueller can force them to testify because they can no longer invoke their 5th Amendment privileges? OTOH, Trump will pardon them again for any perjury they may commit. Samantha should have applied the C word to him. It’s really more appropriate than against Ivanka.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:18:23am

re: #68 JordanRules

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:19:34am

re: #83 I cannot.

Hell, at this point, I wouldn’t put it past him to pardon EVERYONE on the way out just to fuck up everything.

Perhaps the AG of NY should be getting busy with indictments for any and all members of the Trump administration who have ties to New York. Pardon power doesn’t apply there.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:22:06am

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

Perhaps the AG of NY should be getting busy with indictments for any and all members of the Trump administration who have ties to New York. Pardon power doesn’t apply there.

There’s a potential loophole that was identified that the state legislature needs to close to make sure that a state case on those federal type charges can hold and not get wiped out due to the federal pardon. The State AG is on that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:27:48am

re: #90 lawhawk

There’s a potential loophole that was identified that the state legislature needs to close to make sure that a state case on those federal type charges can hold and not get wiped out due to the federal pardon. The State AG is on that.

Does this loophole affect other states too? I am not an attorney and the only law I ever read or studied was pension law — which is probably not relevant to these cases.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:29:25am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:30:20am

Good article by Adam Serwer:

The sheer volume of Trump scandals can seem difficult to keep track of.

There’s the ongoing special-counsel investigation into whether the Trump campaign aided a Russian campaign to aid Trump’s candidacy and defeat his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton; there’s the associated inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice when he fired former FBI Director James Comey, whom he had asked not to investigate his former national-security adviser; there are the president’s hush-money payments to women with whom he allegedly had extramarital affairs, made through his personal attorney, Michael Cohen, and facilitated by corporate cash paid to influence the White House; there is his ongoing effort to interfere with the Russia inquiry and politicize federal law enforcement; there are the foreign governments that seem to be utilizing the president’s properties as vehicles for influencing administration policy; there’s the emerging evidence that Trump campaign officials sought aid not only from Russia, but from other foreign countries, which may have affected Trump’s foreign policy; there are the ongoing revelations of the president’s Cabinet officials’ misusing taxpayer funds; there is the accumulating evidence that administration decisions are made at the behest of private industry, in particular those in which Republican donors have significant interests.

The preceding wall of text may appear to some as an abridged list of the Trump administration’s scandals, but this is an illusion created by the perception that these are all separate affairs. Viewed as such, the various Trump scandals can seem multifarious and overpowering, and difficult to fathom.

There are not many Trump scandals. There is one Trump scandal. Singular: the corruption of the American government by the president and his associates, who are using their official power for personal and financial gain rather than for the welfare of the American people, and their attempts to shield that corruption from political consequences, public scrutiny, or legal accountability…..

theatlantic.com

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:32:26am

re: #57 JordanRules

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Y u do dat?

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:35:03am

re: #93 Barefoot Grin

Everything is a facet of the main scandal: Trump’s corrupt and criminal acts.

Trump runs a criminal syndicate, and they’re busy undermining the rule of law to further their criminal enterprise. They used Russia to advance their business interests. They reached out to foreign powers to do so. They used undeclared foreign agents to do so. They lied to investigators. They obstructed justice to do so.

Etc.

In many respects, it’s how we get “collusion” is what Trump is doing, and Trump claiming that collusion isn’t a crime. Technically collusion isn’t a federal crime, but it’s the umbrella term for every criminal act Trump is doing, has done, or will do (because invariably he is furthering his criminal enterprise with additional criminal acts).

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Dave In Austin  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:35:37am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:36:25am

re: #96 Dave In Austin

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Ouch but he deserves it for his constant sucking up to Trump.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:39:48am

re: #91 Hecuba’s daughter

I believe that it does. Some states have closed that loophole previously. There was an article on this a while back.

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:43:42am

Motherfucker dropping hints about the stock market on Twitter so people can do some sneaky “not quite inside” trading.

Although the news was good on payrolls…a bit TOO good. 230k+ new jobs vs an expectation of 188k and a 3.8% unemployment (3.8%?!?!). WTH did the economists miss? Or is something ELSE going on?

*adjusts headgear*

No, it’s NOT aluminum…it’s triple-layered mylar.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:44:19am

re: #87 Hecuba’s daughter

If he pardons people, doesn’t that mean that Mueller can force them to testify because they can no longer invoke their 5th Amendment privileges? OTOH, Trump will pardon them again for any perjury they may commit. Samantha should have applied the C word to him. It’s really more appropriate than against Ivanka.

Yeah that’s true. Honestly I don’t know his legal strategy here. It’s all so bizarre.

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:44:35am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

It’s also why we need to get rid of Trump and Pence. Trump is definitely going to pardon everyone in the Russian investigation right down to the coffee boy.

well said from electoral-vote.com:

Trump is using it in a way that the Founding Parents never intended. The original idea was to give the president the power to right wrongs when the justice system failed. For example, if evidence later surfaced proving that an innocent person had been imprisoned, the president could free that person. It was never intended to let a supporter of your party off the hook after having pleaded guilty to a political crime (in D’Souza’s case, contributing too much money to a Republican senatorial candidate). Nor was it intended as a means of rallying political support (it’s not a coincidence that Trump pardons people one at a time, and makes a big show of doing it). The President suggested that his next beneficiaries might be Rod Blagojevich and Martha Stewart, both of whom just happen to be former “The Apprentice” contestants.

With the D’Souza pardon (and the others that may come down the pike), Trump is (once again) saying that the rule of law doesn’t apply to his friends and supporters.

i should bold, underline and italic the whole thing
oh, and caps, it should all be in caps

we’re stuck with this abuse because the ‘founding fathers’ didnt write down and account for every eventuality 200+ years later?

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:45:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:50:28am

re: #102 lawhawk

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:51:51am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s true. Honestly I don’t know his legal strategy here. It’s all so bizarre.

Your first mistake
There is no plan
There never is a plan
There never was a plan

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:57:35am

re: #104 dangerman

Your first mistake
There is no plan
There never is a plan
There never was a plan

Yeah it’s like a Trump speech. Bizarre stream of consciousnesses rants. Hey isn’t Rosie O’Donnell fat. Not many people know that Rudy Giuliani prosecuted the mafia. Wouldn’t it be great if we had Mafia enforcers here?//

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 5:59:30am
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ObserverArt  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:02:35am

Morning!

Just wanted to drop in and say hi. Too bummed out by all the crap yesterday with Sam Bee, and then watching a basketball game that even Golden State fans on ESPN are saying the Cavs were jobbed by the refs and I just feel down. It shouldn’t even have come down to JR Smith’s brainfart.

Some days…suck.

You know, I watched that game to escape the insanity of our politics and then a game turns like that. Call it sour grapes…but the Warriors fans that know the game know the truth.

Have a good one. I gotta recharge my batteries.

And oh yeah…Trump and his family suck!

Arrgh…Megyn Kelly on my TV already bitching about Bee. Turn that shit off. Don’t need to hear it. Not today.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:03:35am

Trump’s getting job growth, but it’s at a far slower pace than Obama.

In fact, the economy isn’t growing at the pace Trump and GOP claimed would result from the tax scam.

As the economy isn’t growing at their fantasy prediction, that means the debt is growing even faster than anticipated by everyone but the GOP.

Guess who pays: not the millionaires like Trump, but everyone else who’ll see the GOP look to gut the safety net to balance the books on their backs.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:08:05am

re: #58 Single-handed sailor

Kim Jong Kardashian?

The NY Daily News called her ‘Kim Thong Un’ the other day.

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steve_davis  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:09:23am

re: #14 austin_blue

I haven’t done a lot of commenting on the meat of what happened politically, today, but I closely watched the conversation.

My takes:

What Sam Bee called Ivanka can’t be viewed through the lens of what other countries think of the word. Here in the US, it is viewed as the female equivalent of calling a black person a n******. A c*** in the US is a road whore, a scag, a crack addict giving $5 blow jobs for drugs, or, in TrumpWorld, Hillary Clinton.

Let that sink in for a minute.

The fact that Ivanka faffs about about family and blah blah blah, while not busting her dad’s chops for what he is doing to families seeking asylum in this country is a really, really valid criticism. It exposes her as suffering from extraordinary white privilege bias, at best, or just depraved indifference at worst. She deserves to be pilloried.

But *that* word should never have been uttered, and I am not talking about “feckless”. That’s a good word, because it’s accurate.

I don’t care if it’s a man or a woman who describes another woman using it. I don’t care if it’s a satirical comedy show. That word is a trigger in this country. You use it to describe a road whore, a scag, a crack addict giving $5 blow jobs for drugs, or, in TrumpWorld, Hillary Clinton.

It was a major blunder by Bee and her staff. You just cannot, cannot, use that word to cavalierly describe the daughter of a sitting President, no matter how shallow that daughter is, or how vile the President is. It was air-dropping machine gun ammo into the enemy lines. Free Gift!

It destroyed the very valid point that Bee was trying to highlight, that Drumpf’s policies toward asylum seekers was ripping families asunder was causing horrific pain and inhuman suffering to people who just didn’t want to watch their children get slaughtered.

The chance that there will be a discussion on the White House support for this horrible piece of public policy is now gone. And that is a fucking tragedy, and was entirely preventable.

Not me. When I use the word, it’s only towards men, and I’m saying it with my best impression of a BBC-styled underworld gangland East London accent. It’s what I say to a guy that I’m about to drop into the tank to be eaten by the crabs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:11:50am

Trump can only have the foundation that Obama laid for him for so long. What pisses me off is the economy was doing quite well in the Obama years and Trump got elected on pardon the pun Trumped up lies about state of the economy. It wasn’t standard fare lies either. It was claiming that we were pretty much in the Great Depression. And now I see he’s intervening on behalf of the Coal Industry. But remember how Solyandra was the scandal of the century. //

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:14:53am

re: #14 austin_blue

I like watching Samantha Bee, and my son likes it as well. He’s a lot more informed because of her. But the people who are caught up in cuntgate weren’t going to talk about the issue she raises. And my son wouldn’t have noticed the use of the word if it hadn’t been pointed out. Charles, when he posted a video about the entire episode, posted one about Guiliani, not about asylum seekers.

Edited to clarify.

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:36:47am

Oh, BTW, file this under economic anecdotal evidence:

The past few days at my job (at a non-Walmart big box store), it has seemed like business just STOPPED. Also, last month we set a record for theft prevention.

I don’t think that 3.8% unemployment is going to stay down there for long.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:38:30am

POS Alert #4,500

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:46:35am

re: #114 Barefoot Grin

POS Alert #4,500

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Thank you Mr. Beeks for the info.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:47:06am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:51:40am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:53:05am

Failure to launch prodigal 30 year old son Michael Rotondo has left the building! Too bad the “kid” doesn’t know enough to be embarassed.

Camillus, NY — Thirty-year-old Michael Rotondo left his parents’ house for the last time around 9:30 a.m. today, 2 1/2 hours before his court-ordered eviction deadline.

Rotondo has expressed relief at leaving his parents’ Camillus house, despite trying in court to buy himself six more months at home. An Onondaga County Supreme Court Justice ordered him out by noon today.

But — like with everything in this saga — Rotondo’s departure came with drama, this time involving the police.

Rotondo said he called the cops because he believed his son’s Legos were in the basement and his dad — who is evicting him — wouldn’t let him look for them. Instead, the father offered to look for specific items and, if he found them, bring them out.

Rotondo said that wasn’t good enough and called police. While the police were there, the Legos were located and there was no further incident.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:57:52am

re: #118 Shropshire Slasher

Failure to launch prodigal 30 year old son Michael Rotondo has left the building! Too bad the “kid” doesn’t know enough to be embarassed.

Mike needs to get a job and buy his own fucking Lego’s.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 1, 2018 • 6:58:25am

I had my two donuts on National Donut day, have you!?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:00:06am

re: #120 Shropshire Slasher

I had my two donuts on National Donut day, have you!?

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I’m cutting back. Just had one.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:03:54am

I was almost caught up, and then the power went out for a couple of hours yesterday morning. I just went back to sleep. Then it was midnight before I got caught up again. What a giant shitshow we live in!

In other news, Billboard’s #1 song on my 14th birthday was Wild Thing by The Troggs. What do I win?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:11:29am

I own a husky-lab mix, gorgeous smart dog, but definitely prey driven.

A dog owner from Utah has been cited with nearly 30 misdemeanor counts after police say her pet husky went on a killing spree in Tooele that left more than two dozen animals dead.

Trip Kiss, who runs a petting zoo, KissMade, out of his home catering to children with special needs, on Monday morning heard the motion sensors in his yard go off.

When he looked at the surveillance video, he saw a black-and-white dog running around his property and attacking his animals, including chickens, ducks and rabbits.

He was chewing our goose that was at the back end there, he dug out the rabbits in their enclosure,’ Kiss told Fox 13.

The footage captured the dog, a four-year-old husky named Nikita, fleeing the scene with a pair of rabbits in its maw.

When Kiss went to examine the animal enclosure, he learned that the four-legged bandit had slaughtered a pair of ducks, two bunnies, five chickens, a turkey and their pet goose, Rex.

My pup can’t catch and won’t come, but he is loved.

dailymail.co.uk

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Citizen K  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:19:45am

re: #46 JordanRules

Short Thread…a surge of sorts.

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You call it a surge. I call it a purge, because that’s what this looks like they’re arming up for.

And fun how most of these folks targeted couldn’t even be charitably connected to the MS-13 boogeyman despite ICE’s attempts to do so. They don’t give a fuck about actually going after MS-13 or any actual criminals. They go after the low-hanging fruit because, as their god-emperor said, they’re “Animals”, and he knows the media will puke all over themselves to run and give him the benefit of the fucking doubt every fucking goddamn motherfucking time.

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electrotek  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:21:49am

Beth Orton & The Chemical Brothers - ‘I Never Asked To Be Your Mountain’

Beth Orton just recently unearthed a collaboration she did with The Chemical Brothers 20 years ago and released it as of today. A mesmerizing cover of the classic Tim Buckley track (from his 1967 LP Goodbye and Hello), with signature psychedelia that shaped late 90s Chemical Brothers.

What a way to start the month of June, and the morning also. Not one too many mornings here.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:22:07am

re: #116 Belafon

Remember this, when someone complains:

Mueller investigation cost $16.7M over the first year, Trump’s golf trips cost $67M

If it costs billions of dollars to expose this administration’s crimes, every penny will be worth it. What did average Americans get out of the tax cuts for billionaires which will add significantly to our deficit?

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:23:52am

re: #47 wheat-dogg

Having just finished a history of the Third Reich, this memo has a certain reminiscent ring to it.

re: #48 JordanRules

Ring, Ring, Ring, Ring!!!!!!!!!

It’s scary to me on it’s own, but then you add the context and gaze of near history and we know what’s up.

re: #51 JordanRules

That is what the ‘travel ban’ was about. It’s already in motion.
Black and Brown folks who are already here are primed for the prison to workcamp pipeline via centuries of history and systemic preparedness.

Am I too ‘noid for wondering how long before it emerges that they were “dispatched” in an entirely different way than deportations up until now?

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jeffreyw  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:24:58am

re: #120 Shropshire Slasher

I had my two donuts on National Donut day, have you!?

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These are long gone but we’ll always have the memories.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:31:25am

re: #128 jeffreyw

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These are long gone but we’ll always have the memories.

We’ll always have Paris the Cannolis.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:38:42am

Well this is surprising.

Villaraigosa in the fight of his political life as primary election for California governor nears

Antonio Villaraigosa, whose meteoric rise in California politics was viewed as the embodiment of burgeoning Latino political power, is now having to defend his own turf in the city he once led in hopes of advancing in next week’s gubernatorial primary.

Multiple polls, including one released Thursday by UC Berkeley, show GOP businessman John Cox edging out the former Los Angeles mayor for second place in the June 5 primary. In California’s primary system, the top two vote-getters move on to the general election, regardless of party.

latimes.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:39:34am

re: #120 Shropshire Slasher

I had my two donuts on National Donut day, have you!?

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Only one donut for me so far!

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:41:55am

re: #130 Unshaken Defiance

Well this is surprising.

latimes.com

That was always an issue with this kind of setup.

It’s not quite the same, but we had a similar issue when Perry ran for governor. In his last election, he only won 38% of the vote, but there were so many people running against him, that it diluted the opponent’s ability to beat him.

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MsJ  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:42:29am

re: #118 Shropshire Slasher

Failure to launch prodigal 30 year old son Michael Rotondo has left the building! Too bad the “kid” doesn’t know enough to be embarassed.

While this is an engagingly, weirdly “funny” story, it is apparent in watching or listening to this guy that he’s not all there. He’s off by normal standards, and I don’t mean that he’s lazy or simply a jerk.

So, on one hand, I chuckle and on the other, I feel sorry for him and his parents because there is something wrong with him (and maybe them).

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:42:39am

re: #130 Unshaken Defiance

Well this is surprising.

latimes.com

My very argument earlier this week — the lethal problem that affects elections when there are too many candidates participating.

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Citizen K  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:42:48am
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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:44:25am

re: #135 Citizen K

He won’t be reelected. Not even Bernie will keep him in office in 2020.

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MsJ  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:45:01am

re: #136 Belafon

He won’t be reelected. Not even Bernie will keep him in office in 2020.

But Russia might.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:45:20am

re: #127 Teukka

Am I too ‘noid for wondering how long before it emerges that they were “dispatched” in an entirely different way than deportations up until now?

There would have been a “word on the streets”.

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Citizen K  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:46:40am

re: #136 Belafon

He won’t be reelected. Not even Bernie will keep him in office in 2020.

Bernie will probably fade as the standard bearer within the next year or so, I’m pretty sure. That doesn’t mean that the scorched earth he left behind, and the horseshoe effect of both sides treating Dems as the end-all, be-all of the problem and only holding them to standards ever just might. “Both Sides Same Thing” is possibly even more in effect than ever, and it’s letting the assholes skate by on fucking everything at this point.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:47:05am

re: #134 Hecuba’s daughter

My very argument earlier this week — the lethal problem that affects elections when there are too many candidates participating.

Of course, not only political elections are affected — why do you think Birdman or Shape of Water won best film?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:47:40am

re: #136 Belafon

He won’t be reelected. Not even Bernie will keep him in office in 2020.

I think you’re right. And here’s why. I really think he’s going to have a difficult time defending his record and he’s not going to have Clinton as a foil. I think she was the right nominee for what we had but you can’t underestimate how much the Republican base has despised HRC for years and they were eager to vote against her. As for Bernie, I just hope he’s gone before Super Tuesday as a serious factor so he can’t lie and claim he was robbed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:48:07am

re: #139 Citizen K

Bernie will probably fade as the standard bearer within the next year or so, I’m pretty sure. That doesn’t mean that the scorched earth he left behind, and the horseshoe effect of both sides treating Dems as the end-all, be-all of the problem and only holding them to standards ever just might. “Both Sides Same Thing” is possibly even more in effect than ever, and it’s letting the assholes skate by on fucking everything at this point.

Bernie already isn’t the standard bearer. More people are seeing what a bonehead he is.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:50:50am

re: #139 Citizen K

Bernie will probably fade as the standard bearer within the next year or so, I’m pretty sure. That doesn’t mean that the scorched earth he left behind, and the horseshoe effect of both sides treating Dems as the end-all, be-all of the problem and only holding them to standards ever just might. “Both Sides Same Thing” is possibly even more in effect than ever, and it’s letting the assholes skate by on fucking everything at this point.

Still not seeing any of that in new elections.

A good portion of 2016 was caused by Democratic apathy. That’s gone in a lot of places. I mean, explain what’s going on with the Governor’s race in Georgia.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:51:41am

re: #136 Belafon

He won’t be reelected. Not even Bernie will keep him in office in 2020.

If Bernie is the nominee, Trump might squeak through again. The quality of the Democratic nominee matters.

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ericblair  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:52:35am

re: #143 Belafon

Still not seeing any of that in new elections.

A good portion of 2016 was caused by Democratic apathy. That’s gone in a lot of places. I mean, explain what’s going on with the Governor’s race in Georgia.

Everyone handled Bernie with kid gloves in 2016. This will not happen again.

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mmmirele  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:52:52am

re: #118 Shropshire Slasher

This “kid” has a kid of his own, and surprise, surprise, he doesn’t have custody:

Rotondo lost custody and unsupervised visitation with his 8-year-old son in 2017. He’s said that the eviction from his parents’ house is connected with his battle to get time with is son back.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:53:28am

re: #139 Citizen K

Bernie will probably fade as the standard bearer within the next year or so, I’m pretty sure. That doesn’t mean that the scorched earth he left behind, and the horseshoe effect of both sides treating Dems as the end-all, be-all of the problem and only holding them to standards ever just might. “Both Sides Same Thing” is possibly even more in effect than ever, and it’s letting the assholes skate by on fucking everything at this point.

I know BernieBros boneheads who castigate every normal Dem as a “neo-liberal” and demand that we elect only “true” progressives.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:54:31am

re: #144 Big Beautiful Door

If Bernie is the nominee, Trump might squeak through again. The quality of the Democratic nominee matters.

He won’t be the nominee. My comment was more about him doing the whiny/whitey spoiler thing he did.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:57:41am

re: #144 Big Beautiful Door

If Bernie is the nominee, Trump might squeak through again. The quality of the Democratic nominee matters.

He probably won’t even get out of the primaries, IMO. There’s a ton of examples of him being all about Bernie and not the Democratic party, and any smart Democrat running against him will readily use it (again IMO).

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:57:43am

re: #148 Belafon

He won’t be the nominee. My comment was more about him doing the whiny/whitey spoiler thing he did.

We don’t know that; no-one thought Trump would be the GOP nominee. But Sanders could do the spoiler thing again. If Trump holds his 46% of the vote, then it only takes a small percentage of the center-left vote either not showing up or voting for fringe candidates to give him an opening to slither through like he did in 2016.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:58:05am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I think you’re right. And here’s why. I really think he’s going to have a difficult time defending his record and he’s not going to have Clinton as a foil. I think she was the right nominee for what we had but you can’t underestimate how much the Republican base has despised HRC for years and they were eager to vote against her. As for Bernie, I just hope he’s gone before Super Tuesday as a serious factor so he can’t lie and claim he was robbed.

Here’s my reasoning, and it’s dependent on a real election being conducted in a normal manner, so…who knows.

tRump got 62,000,000 votes. His cult is rabid, but they’re not all of those. He certainly hasn’t gained any support. I don’t know if those “protest” vote stories were baloney or what, but I don’t see how he breaks 60,000,000 now.

Hillary Clinton, a woman—and sorry, but it matters that she was a woman—who has been on the receiving end of 35 fucking years of nonstop vilification, got 65,000,000 votes. Barack Hussein Obama, a black man with Arabic first and middle names, got 67,000,000 votes 10 years ago, and everyone who voted for him—and others besides—are going to be exceptionally motivated.

I don’t see how tRump can pull it out in a normal election. It’s got to be pretty close for the Electoral jiggery-pokery to flip it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:58:15am

He’s not going to be the nominee. PoC do not like how Bernie prefers the WWC that isn’t even a reliable Democratic bloc to them and they’re going to let him know it just like they did last year. Plus more candidates means Bernie gets more scrutiny and Bernie doesn’t have that new car smell he used to have and I think you will see Bernie attacked from the left not just on guns but also immigration for example as well.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 7:59:08am

re: #151 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Here’s my reasoning, and it’s dependent on a real election being conducted in a normal manner, so…who knows.

tRump got 62,000,000 votes. His cult is rabid, but they’re not all of those. He certainly hasn’t gained any support. I don’t know if those “protest” vote stories were baloney or what, but I don’t see how he breaks 60,000,000 now.

Hillary Clinton, a woman—and sorry, but it matters that she was a woman—who has been on the receiving end of 35 fucking years of nonstop vilification, got 65,000,000 votes. Barack Hussein Obama, a black man with Arabic first and middle names, got 67,000,000 votes 10 years ago, and everyone who voted for him—and others besides—are going to be exceptionally motivated.

I don’t see hoe tRump can pull it out in a normal election. It’s got to be pretty close for the Electoral jiggery-pokery to flip it.

Agreed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:00:08am

I don’t take anything for granted because of 2000 and 2004 but Trump won’t have 9/11 to rally on or a cynical ploy by his operatives to have referendums on a hot button issue like Bush did. Trump’s going to get his shit kicked in in 2020.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:00:53am

re: #151 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Here’s my reasoning, and it’s dependent on a real election being conducted in a normal manner, so…who knows.

tRump got 62,000,000 votes. His cult is rabid, but they’re not all of those. He certainly hasn’t gained any support. I don’t know if those “protest” vote stories were baloney or what, but I don’t see how he breaks 60,000,000 now.

Hillary Clinton, a woman—and sorry, but it matters that she was a woman—who has been on the receiving end of 35 fucking years of nonstop vilification, got 65,000,000 votes. Barack Hussein Obama, a black man with Arabic first and middle names, got 67,000,000 votes 10 years ago, and everyone who voted for him—and others besides—are going to be exceptionally motivated.

I don’t see hoe tRump can pull it out in a normal election. It’s got to be pretty close for the Electoral jiggery-pokery to flip it.

Just remember that a lot can happen over the next two years. If the economic recovery continues, which it could, that will help Trump, if Mueller’s investigation peters out, if the Democrats aren’t unified again, Trump could win with a minority of the vote as he did in 2016.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:02:22am

re: #155 Big Beautiful Door

Just remember that a lot can happen over the next two years. If the economic recovery continues, which it could, that will help Trump, if Mueller’s investigation peters out, if the Democrats aren’t unified again, Trump could win with a minority of the vote as he did in 2016.

You are right about that. I don’t take anything for granted but for now I feel glass half full. My real worry isn’t so much defeating Trump, it’s defeating the culture he’s created which may be an even bigger long term threat than Trump himself.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:04:35am

re: #149 makeitstop

He probably won’t even get out of the primaries, IMO. There’s a ton of examples of him being all about Bernie and not the Democratic party, and any smart Democrat running against him will readily use it (again IMO).

Guns have become a bigger issue for Democratic primary voters too since 2016. Bernie’s going to have to explain why he talks about corporate accountability but has voted to deny gun companies that same accountability, why he thought it was a good idea to vote to allow guns on Amtrak trains, etc. But I think also with potential candidates like Harris, Castro, and others who are well rooted in the immigrant communities, he’s going to face a lot of questions about his immigration record. I like HRC but I think she unintentionally let him portray himself as this principled guy that he really isn’t.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:05:15am

re: #155 Big Beautiful Door

Just remember that a lot can happen over the next two years. If the economic recovery continues, which it could, that will help Trump, if Mueller’s investigation peters out, if the Democrats aren’t unified again, Trump could win with a minority of the vote as he did in 2016.

He’s trying to break the economy, so I don’t think we have to worry about that helping him. As for Democrats being unified, there’s too much evidence that Democrats are definitely unified.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:07:51am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

You are right about that. I don’t take anything for granted but for now I feel glass half full. My real worry isn’t so much defeating Trump, it’s defeating the culture he’s created which may be an even bigger long term threat than Trump himself.

I don’t want to be too much of a downer; there is a real possibility that the Democrats will emerge from the 2020 elections with control of Congress and the White House. But this Administration has certainly been an eye opener as to how fragile our Democracy is when one of the two major parties decides to throw out all of our standards and norms to serve the interests of a small clique of billionaires at everyone else’s expense.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:09:39am

re: #158 Belafon

He’s trying to break the economy, so I don’t think we have to worry about that helping him. As for Democrats being unified, there’s too much evidence that Democrats are definitely unified.

When they elect me dictator, the first thing I’m going to do is stop this stock market bullshit where you can bet a company’s stock will go down and make money when it does. That’s not how it’s supposed to work, and it’s caused a lot of our current economic problems.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:11:21am

re: #158 Belafon

He’s trying to break the economy, so I don’t think we have to worry about that helping him. As for Democrats being unified, there’s too much evidence that Democrats are definitely unified.

Well the economy is in pretty good shape right now, and nothing Trump has done is likely to derail it in the short term. A trade war obviously isn’t good, but I don’t really expect it to rise to cataclysmic levels.

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CongoJack  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:13:35am

re: #160 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When they elect me dictator, the first thing I’m going to do is stop this stock market bullshit where you can bet a company’s stock will go down and make money when it does. That’s not how it’s supposed to work, and it’s caused a lot of our current economic problems.

It is good to have the ability to “bet” that the stock will go down as it balances out the positive and negative of stock market moves. It helps give some stability to the markets and is a good indicator of what may happen in the future. Should there be regulations in how that bet is done and the volume of it - sure - but to out right remove it I think would be a bad idea.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:16:35am

re: #162 CongoJack

It is good to have the ability to “bet” that the stock will go down as it balances out the positive and negative of stock market moves. It helps give some stability to the markets and is a good indicator of what may happen in the future. Should there be regulations in how that bet is done and the volume of it - sure - but to out right remove it I think would be a bad idea.

I’m sorry—it’s absolutely contrary to what the word “investment” even means. That people can bet against the economy is an absolute outrage and it needs to be stopped.

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electrotek  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:21:10am

re: #125 electrotek

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Beth Orton just recently unearthed a collaboration she did with The Chemical Brothers 20 years ago and released it as of today. A mesmerizing cover of the classic Tim Buckley track (from his 1967 LP Goodbye and Hello), with signature psychedelia that shaped late 90s Chemical Brothers.

What a way to start the month of June, and the morning also. Not one too many mornings here.

And compare it to the original here:

Tim Buckley - I Never Asked to Be Your Mountain

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CongoJack  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:23:22am

re: #163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m sorry—it’s absolutely contrary to what the word “investment” even means. That people can bet against the economy is an absolute outrage and it needs to be stopped.

It is also a counter measure to losses being incurred. When done correctly it is a good mechanism for investment. When it is abused (like most things) is when the issues arise.

Most stock broker companies have rules in place that do not allow stock brokers to short stock anymore unless it goes through several layers of checks from their compliance office.

What you should be worried about are derivative debt holdings being used like they were prior to the 2008 collapse. That is the real issue. What you mention is really much to do about nothing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:23:30am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I don’t take anything for granted because of 2000 and 2004 but Trump won’t have 9/11 to rally on or a cynical ploy by his operatives to have referendums on a hot button issue like Bush did. Trump’s going to get his shit kicked in in 2020.

I like your optimism but we still have over two years until that election, who knows what this crazy, fucked up admin will do between here and there?

By June 2020 the political landscape will probably look different than we think it will.

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:24:22am

re: #163 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Shorting stocks, at least, has some usefulness. Imagine trying to buy stock, and you can’t buy it at a good price, so you up your bid higher and higher to stupidly high levels. Shorting it is a tool that *helps* prevent that, because someone bets that it won’t go higher and borrows stock to sell to you at a more reasonable level.

Likewise, when a stock is crashing, shorting can slow, or even stop the crash entirely, because the people that shorted it earlier can now buy it and cover their short, creating a demand for the stock that otherwise wouldn’t exist.

It’s this weird alchemical insanity like CDOs of CDOs that have multiple layers of leverage that are eleven kinds of bullshit.

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CongoJack  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:25:59am

re: #167 I cannot.

Well said.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:26:30am

re: #165 CongoJack

It is also a counter measure to losses being incurred. When done correctly it is a good mechanism for investment. When it is abused (like most things) is when the issues arise.

Most stock broker companies have rules in place that do not allow stock brokers to short stock anymore unless it goes through several layers of checks from their compliance office.

What you should be worried about are derivative debt holdings being used like they were prior to the 2008 collapse. That is the real issue. What you mention is really much to do about nothing.

I think the stock market ought to be used entirely to reward people for responsibly investing in good companies. Something like shorting is openly calling for abuse; trusting that people won’t do it in this case is what gets us 2008. Shorting is the AR-15 of the stock market.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:27:59am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

I like your optimism but we still have over two years until that election, who knows what this crazy, fucked up admin will do between here and there?

By June 2020 the political landscape will probably look different than we think it will.

True.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:28:18am

The economy still has slack in it which gives it room to grow. The labor force participation rate in the prime 25-54 age group is still only 81.9% when before the recession it was about 83% and in the nineties around 84%.

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CongoJack  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:28:56am

re: #169 Belafon

I think the stock market ought to be used entirely to reward people for responsibly investing in good companies. Something like shorting is openly calling for abuse; trusting that people won’t do it in this case is what gets us 2008. Shorting is the AR-15 of the stock market.

Nope. Shorting does not destroy anything. Its a relief mechanism for inflated stock prices.

Again - what you need to be worried about are derivative debt holdings which is what caused the 2008 housing, credit, and economic collapse.

Shorting stocks has been well regulated.

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Weaselone  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:29:51am

re: #167 I cannot.

There’s other reasons as well. Say you think company A is the bees knees and company B which is in the same industry sucks. You’re either uncertain of what’s going to happen in the industry over the near term, or even think the it could go into decline. Shorting the stock of company B while buying the stock of company A lets you invest in company A while protecting yourself against a reversal in the industry as a whole.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:33:38am

re: #173 Weaselone

There’s other reasons as well. Say you think company A is the bees knees and company B which is in the same industry sucks. You’re either uncertain of what’s going to happen in the industry over the near term, or even think the it could go into decline. Shorting the stock of company B while buying the stock of company A lets you invest in company A while protecting yourself against a reversal in the industry as a whole.

If you think the industry is going to go into decline, you probably shouldn’t be investing.
If you think A is doing well, then you invest to help it get better.

I personally don’t mind rich people earning money on what they invest; it’s the best way to get them to do something with the money they are sitting on. But their reward is for choosing the best companies, not just for participating.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:34:23am

re: #165 CongoJack

…What you should be worried about are derivative debt holdings being used like they were prior to the 2008 collapse. That is the real issue. What you mention is really much to do about nothing.

That, too. If you eliminate the risk on loans, you don’t deserve any interest—another obvious principle that’s turned on its head in our Bizarro World economy.

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:37:15am

re: #169 Belafon

Shorting cannot cause a good business to go under.
And banning shorting cannot keep a bad business afloat.

It’s simply not possible.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:39:30am

re: #128 jeffreyw

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These are long gone but we’ll always have the memories.

I can only dream about these…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:41:20am

re: #130 Unshaken Defiance

Well this is surprising.

latimes.com

No it’s not because we remember how Mr. Gentrification gave developers a blank check to tear down old housing stock and increase the number of homeless.

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CongoJack  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:45:33am

re: #175 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That, too. If you eliminate the risk on loans, you don’t deserve any interest—another obvious principle that’s turned on its head in our Bizarro World economy.

Not certain what you mean by “eliminate risk on loans.” There is always risk with loans; the issue is packaging loans into a derivative and selling it as an investment opportunity without fully knowing what items were input into the derivative.

That is why in 2007 adjustable rate mortgages were input into a derivative and given a AAA investment rating. People poured money into them because AAA means it should be a simple small growth investment. But when jobs started to decline and interest rates popped the ARM jumped and people could not afford their mortgages and those items in the derivative failed which caused the market to collapse because of the lost of wealth collectively (and quite quickly).

The only thing shorting of those derivatives did was make money for a small few who saw it coming (and gave warning to those who understood what was happening). It didn’t accelerate the collapse, it didn’t make the collapse worse, it was just present during the collapse.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:46:49am

The proper Democratic response to any questions about re-electing Trump should be:

‘Come on.’

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:46:52am

re: #134 Hecuba’s daughter

And yet what we might then get is exactly what a strict party primary brings, one republican, one democrat to run against one another. *throws hands up* I’m lost. Pretty sure In the end we get a democratic governor.

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:52:30am

re: #172 CongoJack

Nope. Shorting does not destroy anything. Its a relief mechanism for inflated stock prices.

Again - what you need to be worried about are derivative debt holdings which is what caused the 2008 housing, credit, and economic collapse.

Shorting stocks has been well regulated.

this, coupled with the problem of decoupling the underwriting risk from the collection risk

originating the loan, taking the up front fees, then selling the servicing takes all the incentive out of vetting the loan viability for the entire term of the loan

morphing mortgage backed securities into cdos masks the collection risk even further

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gocart mozart  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:57:30am
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gocart mozart  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:58:21am
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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 8:58:53am

re: #176 I cannot.

Shorting cannot cause a good business to go under.
And banning shorting cannot keep a bad business afloat.

It’s simply not possible.

there are many ways to profit in a market. investing for the long term is one.

buying low and selling high is not the only investment model, nor is it the only legitimate or “moral” one.

one could make an argument against day trading or other short term capital gains vs long

there can be lots of good reasons to sell an asset short, whether a security, commodity, house, etc.

because the shorting risk tends to be higher, it is less often used, discouraged to novices, and fairly well regulated

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:01:43am

re: #183 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:02:38am

re: #184 gocart mozart

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Venezuela is awful but where are your concerns about right wing dictatorships Marco and what Trump has done here, you spineless weasel.

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electrotek  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:03:39am

re: #184 gocart mozart

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Bet he was a fan of Batista and Pinochet, fuck this guy.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:05:35am

re: #185 dangerman

It’s just me, for sure, but I think long term investing ought to be the entire reason.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:07:44am

Maybe I missed someone posting this above, but jebbus.

Trump breaks from decades of protocol with tweet before release of jobs report

President Trump on Friday broke with decades of protocol and commented publicly about the highly anticipated jobs report data 69 minutes before they were released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Treasury yields moved sharply higher within seconds of a tweet from Trump that said he was “looking forward to seeing the employment numbers at 8:30 this morning.” He had never issued such a tweet before. Bloomberg News data also showed that the value of the U.S. dollar moved sharply higher after the Twitter post compared with previous trades the mornings jobs data are released. That means traders were probably making investment decisions based on signals they took from Trump’s post.

The link is behind the paywall, sorry if you’re over your limit. Remember your Amazon Prime WaPo link, though.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:12:43am

re: #190 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Maybe I missed someone posting this above, but jebbus.

Trump breaks from decades of protocol with tweet before release of jobs report

The link is behind the paywall, sorry if you’re over your limit. Remember your Amazon Prime WaPo link, though.

There are still more things that he needed to copy Nixon on. I can’t wait for price fixing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:14:52am
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jaunte  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:15:36am

Executive Branch Idiot

According to Hart, Trump repeatedly brought up arming teachers, a policy proposal he has frequently promoted after school shootings.

Hart, an Army veteran, said she also suggested employing veterans as sentinels in schools. She said Trump responded, “And arm them?” She replied, “No,” but said Trump “kept mentioning” arming classroom teachers. “It was like talking to a toddler,” Hart said.

She said the president also focused on the shooter and his appearance, repeatedly describing him as “wacky.”
-snip-
…deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley told reporters on Air Force One that the meeting was “very impactful” and “a very emotional time.”
huffingtonpost.com

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:17:51am

re: #169 Belafon

I think the stock market ought to be used entirely to reward people for responsibly investing in good companies. Something like shorting is openly calling for abuse; trusting that people won’t do it in this case is what gets us 2008. Shorting is the AR-15 of the stock market.

re: #160 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When they elect me dictator, the first thing I’m going to do is stop this stock market bullshit where you can bet a company’s stock will go down and make money when it does. That’s not how it’s supposed to work, and it’s caused a lot of our current economic problems.

as i said above, shorting is a natural function of any free market.
personally i don’t/won’t short

i did consider it in ‘08 when it was obvious that Bear, Citi, Merrill etc were all tanking. that was an obvious money making opportunity. still i didnt do it

i bought some Citi when it clearly cratered, knowing full well it “had” to go up and i would sell it when it doubled. and i did.

buying to sell when it hits a number is really no different than shorting to buy when it hits a number. abstractly they are the same

and see here already “money making opportunity” is a different motivation from “long term investing”

since we can’t detect motives, we tax and regulate

when battleaxe is elected dictator i will not object to the regulation

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:19:03am

re: #190 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Maybe I missed someone posting this above, but jebbus.
washingtonpost.com

this is not “protocol”
this is market manipulation for personal (and friends) gain

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:20:57am

re: #192 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Uh no not left wing but nice try.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:27:15am
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jaunte  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:28:27am

Which Trump cronies control struggling coal and nuclear power plants?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:28:34am

re: #197 JordanRules

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Modern conservatism has always been a sham philosophy.

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jaunte  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:28:58am
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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:29:18am
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jaunte  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:29:34am

Protect our Bakelite from the foreign plastic horde!!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:30:16am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Uh no not left wing but nice try.

Hey, I’ve seen wingnuts refer to “the extremely liberal FOX News”, so maybe they’re getting an early start on tRump’s “not a real conservative” treatment, seeing how the wind blows.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:31:03am

re: #203 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hey, I’ve seen wingnuts refer to “the extremely liberal FOX News”, so maybe they’re getting an early start on tRump’s “not a real conservative” treatment, seeing how the wind blows.

Yeah I’ve seen that too.

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jaunte  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:31:09am

Getting tired of this show, but the channel changer is locked.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:32:21am

re: #205 jaunte

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Getting tired of this show, but the channel changer is locked.

He needs to go.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:33:17am

And the President beams proudly as he is served a wedge of iceberg lettuce, drenched in ranch dressing, with his lunch.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:33:28am

re: #197 JordanRules

Truman tried this kind of intervention. The courts smacked him down. The electric companies will just have to sue.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:35:01am

re: #200 jaunte

Arnold making me laugh

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Amory Blaine  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:37:14am

For our wedding reception at a French bistro, instead of a wedding cake we brought in cannolis. :)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:39:21am

re: #210 Amory Blaine

For our wedding reception at a French bistro, instead of a wedding cake we brought in cannolis. :)

You’re a god damned communist

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:40:13am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:43:05am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:44:03am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:47:06am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

A great big beautiful wall. I heard Germany’s had a wall before. //

I kind of support building a wall around Alabama. We can pitch all the confederate flags over it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:47:43am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:48:15am

re: #215 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I kind of support building a wall around Alabama. We can pitch all the confederate flags over it.

To be fair, they did reject Moore but to also to be fair, it was waaaaaaaay too close.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:48:39am

re: #216 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Oh but tell us more about liberal elites and talk like this is why they voted for Trump.

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:49:50am

re: #216 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Even for the most comically corrupt administration in the history of this country…

THIS. FUCKING. GUY.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:51:00am

re: #219 I cannot.

Even for the most comically corrupt administration in the history of this country…

THIS. FUCKING. GUY.

And the godamn Trumpers have the nerve to act like they were darwn to him because he would “drain the swamp.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:55:47am

The recent most famous Supreme Court decision is named after an organization whose acronym is C-U-N-T. That PAC was formed by a longtime Trump ally. I honestly can’t defend the slur used but goddamn I want conservatives to shut the fuck up.

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 9:58:59am

re: #216 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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pruitt is a pig
a different kind of pig than trump

his snout in the slop trough up to his eyeballs kind of pig

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jaunte  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:00:09am
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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:02:25am

re: #223 jaunte

If *any* other federal employee had tweeted in a way that gave the *appearance* of hinting at confidential information, they would be fired on the spot.

Plus there would be an investigation checking their emails and phone logs to make sure they hadn’t leaked to others, too.

Congress: anything?
anything at all?

Bueller?

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:03:56am

re: #224 dangerman

Congress: anything?
anything at all?

Bueller?

You know Mitch called ahead.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:05:03am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

The recent most famous Supreme Court decision is named after an organization whose acronym is C-U-N-T. That PAC was formed by a longtime Trump ally. I honestly can’t defend the slur used but goddamn I want conservatives to shut the fuck up.

Not quite. Stone started his PAC, and when Citizens United was upheld they made him change the name.

Two different things.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:09:51am

re: #226 makeitstop

Not quite. Stone started his PAC, and when Citizens United was upheld they made him change the name.

Two different things.

Oh i’m just saying that they don’t get to act appalled by Bee’s word choice if a key ally of the President is going to have a PAC with that name. They’re only upset because the Princess was targeted by Bee. If Bee had called HRC that word, Trump would be praising Bee was as a clever comedian.

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:19:22am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Oh i’m just saying that they don’t get to act appalled by Bee’s word choice if a key ally of the President is going to have a PAC with that name. They’re only upset because the Princess was targeted by Bee. If Bee had called HRC that word, Trump would be praising Bee was as a clever comedian.

this is truer than true

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:19:36am

The last time the North Koreans “visited” The White House

Olympus Has Fallen - First Attack Clip

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:21:28am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:22:04am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:22:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:25:51am

re: #232 Patricia Kayden

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He has no room at all to complain nor demand Bee be fired.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:25:59am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Oh i’m just saying that they don’t get to act appalled by Bee’s word choice if a key ally of the President is going to have a PAC with that name. They’re only upset because the Princess was targeted by Bee. If Bee had called HRC that word, Trump would be praising Bee was as a clever comedian.

True.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:27:27am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:29:47am

Imagine the uproar if Obama had said no talent Donald Trump should be fired from The Apprentice. He needs to mind his own fucking business.

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gocart mozart  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:34:23am
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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:34:34am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

If he’d said that…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:35:41am

re: #237 gocart mozart

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I think Garrison is in love with Trump like Smithers is with Mr. Burns.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:36:01am

If Oscar Wilde were alive today and writing The Portrait of Dorian Gray, do you think the title character would be changed to a woman based on Ivanka?

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:38:04am
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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:38:36am

re: #241 makeitstop

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An impossible task for Julian.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:39:17am

re: #241 makeitstop

Not sure why they wouldn’t just give him the boot.

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:42:53am

re: #243 Sir John Barron

“No, he decided he HAD to leave so he could ‘own the libs’ as the kids say”

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wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:46:30am

re: #241 makeitstop

Ecuador says Assange can stay in embassy if he quits shitposting on Twitter

But my first amendment rights!!…Oh, wait…

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:46:41am

LOL

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:46:56am

re: #235 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

This Page might be relevant.

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:49:45am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:51:56am

On the latest Pod Save America, Dan Pfeiffer announced that his wife had just given birth. It was surprisingly exhilarating hearing something so positive on a podcast about the Trump horror.

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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:52:23am

re: #247 Unshaken Defiance

Interesting Page, but note that your formatting of some of the text is being interpreted by the LGF hamsters as URLs, or perhaps the hamsters are chewing on some of your URLs. You might want to see what is happening to them. The hamsters get a bit of heartburn if there are dashes or periods between numbers in their diet.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:55:23am

re: #250 freetoken

Interesting Page, but note that your formatting of some of the text is being interpreted by the LGF hamsters as URLs, or perhaps the hamsters are chewing on some of your URLs. You might want to see what is happening to them. The hamsters get a bit of heartburn if there are dashes or periods between numbers in their diet.

We should move up to rats, or Capybara if we have the space. Hamsters are not smart rodents.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:56:14am
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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:57:00am

re: #248 JordanRules

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Oh, my. I didn’t watch, what did that knucklehead JR do last night?

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I cannot.  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:59:13am

re: #253 makeitstop

He hit the puck into the endzone but he got tackled at third base.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2018 • 10:59:52am

I honestly don’t know where to start on the whole “You must buy dirty electricity” mandate. Do I start with the GOP’s years-long crusade against the individual mandate and the ACA? Or their constant whining about “not picking winners and losers”? Or their supposed ideological opposition to government interference in the “free market”?

FFS.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:01:25am

There’s yer backchannel.

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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:01:30am

re: #252 Single-handed sailor

Trump is intentionally looking for ways to screw the USA.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:01:33am

re: #255 Targetpractice

I honestly don’t know where to start on the whole “You must buy dirty electricity” mandate. Do I start with the GOP’s years-long crusade against the individual mandate and the ACA? Or their constant whining about “not picking winners and losers”? Or their supposed ideological opposition to government interference in the “free market”?

FFS.

I have the option of buying clean energy. Shouldn’t the rolling coal crowd have the option of buying extra-dirty energy?
/

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JordanRules  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:02:03am

re: #253 makeitstop

Oh, my. I didn’t watch, what did that knucklehead JR do last night?

Pulled a Chris Webber of sorts. No game awarenesses at the most crucial time. Didn’t allow them to get a shot off and they went into OT and lost.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:05:33am

re: #259 JordanRules

Pulled a Chris Webber of sorts. No game awarenesses at the most crucial time. Didn’t allow them to get a shot off and they went into OT and lost.

Oy. That’s JR for ya.

He just zones out every once in a while. I watched him do that many times when he was a Knick.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:06:28am

re: #256 Barefoot Grin

A federal study found signs that surveillance devices, called IMSI catchers often used by Chinese and Russian intel services, for intercepting cell phone calls and texts were operating near the W.H. and other sensitive locations in the D.C. area last year.

There’s yer backchannel.

I’d swear this was reported on a couple months ago. I kept wondering why no one brought it up when the info on Trump using an unsecured phone was reported

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:06:31am

re: #256 Barefoot Grin

What potential information?

All of them.

All of them.

Trump constantly is on that phone. And that puts the nation’s national security at risk. He’s been doing that since the goddamned transition in 2016. He doesn’t give a shit about operational security or the need to protect sensitive info. He revels in the ability to disclose it to anyone who asks because he can boast about it.

Trump is the threat.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:06:38am

re: #256 Barefoot Grin

There’s yer backchannel.

Trump: “Ok, Russians, if you’re listening…”

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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:11:38am

America, 2018:

Private schools’ curriculum downplays slavery, says humans and dinosaurs lived together

Some private schools in Florida that rely on public funding teach students that dinosaurs and humans lived together, that God’s intervention prevented Catholics from dominating North America and that slaves who “knew Christ” were better off than free men who did not.

[…]

This of course is just another example why the religious right wants to eliminate funding for public schools and wants private school vouchers.

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Skip Intro  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:12:18am

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

I like your optimism but we still have over two years until that election, who knows what this crazy, fucked up admin will do between here and there?

By June 2020 the political landscape will probably look different than we think it will.

Trump may have declared himself dictator for life by then. We are no longer in a place where past norms apply.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:14:07am

re: #250 freetoken

Interesting Page, but note that your formatting of some of the text is being interpreted by the LGF hamsters as URLs, or perhaps the hamsters are chewing on some of your URLs. You might want to see what is happening to them. The hamsters get a bit of heartburn if there are dashes or periods between numbers in their diet.

Fixed it up.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:14:29am

re: #265 Skip Intro

Trump may have declared himself dictator for life by then. We are no longer in a place where past norms apply.

He could also declare himself a strawberry cheesecake.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:14:31am

re: #264 freetoken

America, 2018:

Private schools’ curriculum downplays slavery, says humans and dinosaurs lived together

This of course is just another example why the religious right wants to eliminate funding for public schools and wants private school vouchers.

JFC

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:17:13am
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gocart mozart  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:21:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:22:25am

re: #270 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Yep.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:23:07am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

JFC

In fact, Florida law prohibits the department from asking about or regulating academics at these schools.

I guess we don’t have to wonder why there are so many insane news stories that come out of Flori-duh. The kids are going to fake schools that turn their brains to pudding.

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:24:52am

re: #272 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I guess we don’t have to wonder why there are so many insane news stories that come out of Flori-duh. The kids are going to fake schools that turn their brains to pudding.

parkland / marjorie stoneman douglas excepted

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:25:09am

re: #264 freetoken

America, 2018:

Private schools’ curriculum downplays slavery, says humans and dinosaurs lived together

This of course is just another example why the religious right wants to eliminate funding for public schools and wants private school vouchers.

The world needs christian ditch diggers, too.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:26:19am

This is damn Trumpian

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electrotek  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:27:01am

re: #275 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is damn Trumpian

[Embedded content]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:27:19am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:27:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:28:25am

re: #275 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is damn Trumpian

[Embedded content]

Yawn.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:29:09am

If the NRA is the nstion’s Largest gun safety group, they’re not doing a good job…..

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:30:26am

re: #274 Single-handed sailor

May not end well.

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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:31:06am

National Racists still hung up about Reid:

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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:33:15am

The so called “conservatives” are upset that Reid used to use very crude or brash ways of bringing up subjects.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:36:56am

re: #283 freetoken

The so called “conservatives” are upset that Reid used to use very crude or brash ways of bringing up subjects.

But they love it when Trump does so go figure.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:39:13am

re: #281 Unshaken Defiance

[Embedded content]

May not end well.

Merely resting. pining for the fjords.

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mmmirele  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:39:19am

There is a Visa card network outage in the UK and Europe. It’s unclear what the issue is.

theguardian.com

This does not appear to be an issue with the American Visa card network.

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Kragar  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:39:47am
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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:46:48am

Get a load of this:

Facebook ditches trending news section

Facebook is shutting down its ill-fated “trending” news section after four years.

A company official told The Associated Press that the feature is outdated and wasn’t popular.

I found it worthless, because the “news” items were often old.

The trending section has proved problematic in several important ways. First came a report that its human editors were biased against conservatives. After Facebook fired those editors, the algorithms it replaced them with couldn’t always distinguish real news from fake.

In other words, “conservatives” were being protected from “fake news” and they complained, so they were given “fake news”.

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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:47:48am
According to research from Pew, about 44 percent of U.S. adults get news from Facebook.

This explains a lot.

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mmmirele  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:48:03am

re: #287 Kragar

I don’t want to be a tinfoil hatter, but Melania’s disappearance over the last three weeks is just *weird*. There’s something going on. it may be as benign as she got a facelift but I can’t recall a First Lady not having anything going on for so long in my lifetime (since 1960).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:48:38am

re: #290 mmmirele

I don’t want to be a tinfoil hatter, but Melania’s disappearance over the last three weeks is just *weird*. There’s something going on. it may be as benign as she got a facelift but I can’t recall a First Lady not having anything going on for so long in my lifetime (since 1960).

Yeah it’s odd.

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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:49:19am

re: #290 mmmirele

What I find peculiar is… doesn’t Melania have any friends? Where are her social networks? Her extended relatives?

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Kragar  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:50:12am
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Belafon  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:50:14am

re: #289 freetoken

This explains a lot.

Yep. It also explains why ignoring facebook is not an option

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:50:24am
296
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:50:29am

Well the summit is back on…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:50:32am

re: #290 mmmirele

I don’t want to be a tinfoil hatter, but Melania’s disappearance over the last three weeks is just *weird*. There’s something going on. it may be as benign as she got a facelift but I can’t recall a First Lady not having anything going on for so long in my lifetime (since 1960).

I’m wavering between drastic kidney cancer or a face lift gone horribly wrong.

298
HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:50:34am

re: #292 freetoken

What I find peculiar is… doesn’t Melania have any friends? Where are her social networks? Her extended relatives?

Her parents and sister are both in the US. It is odd for sure.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:51:51am

re: #293 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Newer model needed?

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:52:07am

re: #296 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:52:31am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Her parents and sister are both in the US. It is odd for sure.

Hmmmm are they really her family?????

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HappyWarrior  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:53:42am

re: #301 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hmmmm are they really her family?????

You know my cousin lives in the same part of Slovenia as the Knausses. I’ll ask him.//

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freetoken  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:57:31am

re: #294 Belafon

Yep. It also explains why ignoring facebook is not an option

Many younger people, in particular educated younger people, eschew Facebook, but I think that is a horrible thing to do.

Why?

Because the older relatives are there.

First off, I think I am not alone when I write that I regret that when I was younger I did not reach out to relatives to find out what was going on.

But secondly, in regards to society and politics - your older relatives vote. And they are being fed, daily, on Facebook all sort of lying memes that are psy-ops against them.

In my Facebook timeline/wall/whatever I’m supposed to call it, it is usually the younger people who are posting corrections to the many outrageous hate-right lie-memes that go around.

Young educated people should consider Facebook a mission field for spreading rational thinking. Because I can guarantee you that cynical political operatives and religious nutjobs are already working those electronic mission fields.

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KGxvi  Jun 1, 2018 • 11:58:17am

re: #300 lawhawk

I forget where I heard it, but the point has been made that a photo op is exactly what Kim wants. The moment he and Trump are in the room together there will be a thousand pictures taken. And those pictures will be used for propaganda, inside and outside North Korea. And I’m guessing whatever the actual outcome will be, Kim will tell North Koreans that he kowed the reckless American aggressor to his will.

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Kragar  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:01:24pm
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Kragar  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:02:50pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:02:58pm

Yeah, just messaged a student of mine and she said she was shopping earlier in Lidl and her Visa debit wouldn’t work.

Luckily she had cash - it was a fairly small purchase.

So the Visa outage is here too.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:03:36pm

re: #306 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Yeah, Donnie - uh, that’s not a complimentary bump from Kim, OK?

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:04:21pm

re: #305 Kragar

The fucker doesn’t read. He doesn’t know what he’s saying. He’s making shit up as he goes along, and the whole world has to figure out what the hell the idiot’s thinking.

Meanwhile, in clear statements, he’s given North Korea parity and a photo op it neither deserves nor should receive all while Trump gave up critical leverage on its nuclear weapons program.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:06:17pm

re: #305 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Well the perfume on it was nice and interesting.

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lawhawk  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:07:30pm

re: #306 Kragar

That’s what very special agent Anthony Dinozzo is for.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:07:52pm

re: #304 KGxvi

I forget where I heard it, but the point has been made that a photo op is exactly what Kim wants. The moment he and Trump are in the room together there will be a thousand pictures taken. And those pictures will be used for propaganda, inside and outside North Korea. And I’m guessing whatever the actual outcome will be, Kim will tell North Koreans that he kowed the reckless American aggressor to his will.

It is painfully obvious to everyone but Trump and his die hard supporters that Kim has far more to gain from appearing to stand up to him face-to-face than he does from actually denuclearizing. And Trump tearing up the Iran deal gives Kim the perfect rationale for saying the US is a duplicitous and inherently treacherous negotiating partner whose mere presence in South Korea constitutes the real nuclear threat to the Korean peninsula. At best he’s going to demand a total withdrawal of American forces before he agrees to even consider giving up his nuclear weapons, and under no circumstances whatsoever is he going to even entertain giving up the civilian power program.

The real problem is that Trump also wants US troops out of South Korea and reportedly Kelly had to talk him out of doing that in February. He thinks SK should be paying the US protection racket money, additionally he wants those troops freed up for a war with Iran. So he’s already predisposed to give Kim what he really wants and call that a win.

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KGxvi  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:08:59pm

In the Rooting For Injuries corner of foreign affairs, apparently Our “Friends” the Saudis have pissed off al Qeada (again?):

Extremist group al-Qaeda has sent a warning to Saudi Arabia’s crown prince that his efforts to liberalise the conservative kingdom are “sinful projects”.

“The new era of [Mohammad bin Salman] replaced mosques with movie theatres,” the Yemen-based al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) said in a statement.

Among the things they don’t like happening is pro wrestling:

Of particular ire to al-Qaeda, however, appears to be a World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) event in the Saudi city of Jeddah which took place in April.

“[Foreign] disbelieving wrestlers exposed their privates and on most of them was the sign of the cross, in front of a mixed gathering of young Muslim men and women,” it said.

I could not imagine going through life that repressed. But I suppose it explains why they want to blow shit up. And no, I still don’t trust the House of Saud.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:12:10pm

re: #313 KGxvi

Among the things they don’t like happening is pro wrestling:

I’m with them on that.

“[Foreign] disbelieving wrestlers exposed their privates

I find that hard to believe.

and on most of them was the sign of the cross,

Really?

in front of a mixed gathering of young Muslim men and women,” it said.

That part I believe.

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KGxvi  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:15:23pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

It is painfully obvious to everyone but Trump and his die hard supporters that Kim has far more to gain from appearing to stand up to him face-to-face than he does from actually denuclearizing. And Trump tearing up the Iran deal gives Kim the perfect rationale for saying the US is a duplicitous and inherently treacherous negotiating partner whose mere presence in South Korea constitutes the real nuclear threat to the Korean peninsula. At best he’s going to demand a total withdrawal of American forces before he agrees to even consider giving up his nuclear weapons, and under no circumstances whatsoever is he going to even entertain giving up the civilian power program.

The real problem is that Trump also wants US troops out of South Korea and reportedly Kelly had to talk him out of doing that in February. He thinks SK should be paying the US protection racket money, additionally he wants those troops freed up for a war with Iran. So he’s already predisposed to give Kim what he really wants and call that a win.

I assume there’s no Trump properties in South Korea? (/half snark)

Maybe someone in the administration will convince him that whatever deal he makes should be a treaty (what better way to win a nobel?), and the Senate blocks anything that includes removing troops. Otherwise this shit show is going to make the last season of Lost look like the best television in decades.

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Weaselone  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:16:42pm

re: #303 freetoken

It takes 3 seconds for someone to post a misleading meme or photo-shopped image. It can take an hour to find a rebuttal that your older relative will except because the New York Times and Washington Post are fake news and Snopes and Factcheck are liberal Soros propaganda. Once you do so, the goal shifts. If you ever manage to nail them down, it lasts literally until the meme shows back up in there timeline a week later.

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KGxvi  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:16:58pm

re: #314 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m with them on that.

I find that hard to believe.

Really?

That part I believe.

Most weren’t wearing shirts, definition of “privates” apparently varies. A few have crosses on their gear, most notably Rey Mysterio Jr.

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:21:54pm

re: #304 KGxvi

I forget where I heard it, but the point has been made that a photo op is exactly what Kim wants. The moment he and Trump are in the room together there will be a thousand pictures taken. And those pictures will be used for propaganda, inside and outside North Korea. And I’m guessing whatever the actual outcome will be, Kim will tell North Koreans that he kowed the reckless American aggressor to his will.

in other words kim will lie to his people like trump lies to his

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dangerman  Jun 1, 2018 • 12:24:56pm

re: #305 Kragar

Minutes after telling reporters that the letter from Kim Jong Un was a very nice letter, Trump says he hasn’t opened the letter yet.

and NOBODY calls him on it to his face

ha ha, herr herr, just a verbal misspeak - nothing at all

just like this AM with the jobs report
‘i didnt say anything - just that i cant wait….’
no big deal nothing to see here

why does congress even bother showing up? they’ll get paid either way

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2018 • 1:24:37pm

re: #198 jaunte

Which Trump cronies control struggling coal and nuclear power plants?

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross.


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