Saturday Music Break: The Brilliant Banda Magda, “Ase Me Na Bo”

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Banda Magda - Ase Me Na Bo
From Banda Magda’s new album “Tigre”, released September 2017 on Verve Label Group/GroundUP Music.

***Please set to HD (or at least 480p).

“Tigre” is available now:

Physical: https://store.groundupmusic.net/colle…
Digital: http://smarturl.it/Tigre_iTu

Music and Lyrics by Magda Giannikou

Lyric Sheets, English Translations and Leadsheets of TIGRE are available at: https://www.bandamagda.com/shop/

FILM CREW
Andy LaViolette: Cinematography
Magda Giannikou: Producer / Director / Artistic Decorator / Set Designer
Megan McDermott: 1st AC / Scenic Artist / Grip
Jon Schlowsky: Best Boy / Scenic Artist
Mika Mitamura: Make-up / Hair Styling
Amanda Tuiran: Scenic Artist / Production Assistant
Ana Tuiran: Prop Master / Scenic Artist / Playback Engineer
Declan Saint-Onge: Production Still / Photographer
Gabrielle Vigueira: Scenic Artist / Production Assistant
Ed Viguiera: Production Assistant
Juni DiStasio: Set Designer Assistant
Maria Zaharenia: Research and Style Guide Director
Ira Senak: Grip / Playback Engineer / Production Assistant
Tom Beuchel: Production Assistant
John Muller: : Production Assistant
Film Edited by Magda Giannikou and Megan McDermott (Darondo Productions)
Coloring by Megan McDermott (Darondo Productions)

Filmed at Flux Studios NYC and the GroundUP Music Offices.

MUSIC CREW

Magda Giannikou: voice, accordion
Marcelo Woloski: percussion & vocals
James Shipp: percussion & vocals
Keita Ogawa: percussion & vocals
Andres Rotmistrovsky: electric bass & vocals
Justin Stanton: rhodes, trumpet & vocals
Chris Bullock: clarinet
Mike Maz Maher: flugelhorn
Juan Andres Ospina: vocals
Ignacio Hernandez: acoustic and electric guitars
Michael League: baritone & hammertone guitars

featuring Max ZT on hammered dulcimer

Featuring the Banda Magda String Orchestra
primi: Maria Im & Curtis Stewart
secondi: Brooke Quiggins Saulnier & Sami Merdinian
viole: Lev Ljova Zhurbin & Irena Momchilova
celli: Maria Jeffers, Sam Quiggins & Colin Stokes

Music Produced by Magda Giannikou & Fab Dupont
Arrangements by Magda Giannikou
Recorded by Fab Dupont, Ira Senak, Tom Beuchel, Josh Welshman, Mike La Tona & John Muller at Flux Studios NYC
MIxed by Fab Dupont at Flux Studios NYC
Mastered by Diego Calviño at 3:3:2 Studio

https://www.bandamagda.com/
http://groundupmusic.net/

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362 comments
1
Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:06:11pm

The letter to Mueller from Trump’s lawyers is really disturbing and ominous. It reads like the beginning of the end of American democracy.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:08:30pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The letter to Mueller from Trump’s lawyers is really disturbing and ominous. It reads like the beginning of the end of American democracy.

It’s bad. We kinda knew this was the line they would take but to see it formally rolled out is chilling.

And now we’ll watch the GOP non-response which is the engine that powers it.

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lawhawk  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:12:21pm

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump’s up to his usual insanities, including not having a clue what he’s doing negotiating or doing in talks with China.

Trump was elected because he convinced enough people he was a super duper negotiator and makes the best deal.

Turns out that was always a sham.

How do we know?

Trump couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag. He was getting paid $50k an episode in season one. He demanded a million per in season two.

He got $60k.

Think about that a moment. A big hit of a show at that time, and he demands a million per, and could only manage a $10k per episode raise. That’s the opposite of a crackerjack negotiator.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:13:33pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The letter to Mueller from Trump’s lawyers is really disturbing and ominous. It reads like the beginning of the end of American democracy.

Isn’t it basically just Nixon and every other president who thought they were above the law?

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:15:44pm

Another middle class show: The Middle.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:16:04pm

I watched The Apprentice once, just to see what it was about, and absolutely hated it. I thought it was a thoroughly mean-spirited show that exploited the basest human emotions. Now this thoroughly rotten human being is in charge of the whole nation.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:16:35pm

re: #5 Belafon

Another middle class show: The Middle.

Yup. Just watched the series finale a week ago.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:16:36pm

re: #4 Belafon

Isn’t it basically just Nixon and every other president who thought they were above the law?

Well, Clinton allowed himself to give testimony, in which he perjured himself.

While Nixon and probably other Presidents thought they were above the law, in the end I know of none of them who were so open about it.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:19:10pm

re: #4 Belafon

Isn’t it basically just Nixon and every other president who thought they were above the law?

I think the foreign Gov’t (historically an adversary at that) in play for this go-round really scares me.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:21:49pm
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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:23:07pm
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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:27:56pm

Thread!!

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MsJ  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:32:06pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The letter to Mueller from Trump’s lawyers is really disturbing and ominous. It reads like the beginning of the end of American democracy.

What letter? Is this in the NYT? I can’t read them. I refuse to give them one red cent.

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lawhawk  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:32:29pm

Trump’s memo shows an absolute disregard for the rule of law.

Trump’s memo shows a disregard for facts, law, or history.

Trump’s memo shows that his legal team is just as incompetent as we expected them to be. And he’ll have plenty of GOPers defending his indefensible acts because he’s mirroring their policies and has a (R) after his name.

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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:33:37pm

re: #12 JordanRules

Thread!!

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Giving up Facebook was no biggie, but YouTube? That might be difficult.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:33:53pm

Never forget Crosscheck.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:36:28pm

re: #15 wrenchwench

Giving up Facebook was no biggie, but YouTube? That might be difficult.

I think there are probably a lot of things they could easily implement to help. I hope they are eventually forced to. We obviously need video sharing/hosting sites. Some decent competition would be good too.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:37:49pm

Checking in on the Patterson scandal on Twitter… and his defenders are still trying to promote those illegally taken letters and their publication.

No matter how many people point out how wrong it is to do such things.

These are really bad people.

Fortunately, the nasty people are also starting to get shred in social media:

Anyway, I believe that the issues with Trump have arisen, at least in part, from America’s problem with fundamentalist Christianity. The latter have long been abusive to women and cover that up under a false piety.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:40:17pm
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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:41:19pm

Im watching Miami Vice reruns. The episode with Frank Zappa is on!

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William Lewis  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:43:48pm

re: #16 JordanRules

Never forget Crosscheck.

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That jeep has a .50 cal M-2 HB mounted on it. If it’s a live MG (Class III NFA firearm) that’s about $100,000 of gun (If it’s a semi-auto conversion from parts, then probably only $5,000) that if fired would flip that jeep over on it’s side from the recoil. The smallest vehicle we used them on in the army was a 2 1/2 ton supply truck.

Gun jeeps for scouts? M-60 firing .308 (7.62 NATO) cal was the biggest in my time. Anything else would break the jeep.

TL;DR? It’s only good for propaganda just like the rest of the sparkles the GOP masturbates to.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:48:07pm

Here’s something that Democrats need to tell Trump: Pardoning himself will not save him from impeachment.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:50:08pm

So here’s the blog post which is publishing private communications. Besides that, the “defense” of Patterson is pretty sketchy anyway.

The untold truth: Facts surrounding Paige Patterson and his removal from SWBTS By Sharayah Colter

If you look over at the side of that page you will see that the website belongs to Bob Hadley

He claims to be the Chancellor of a bible college (Atlantic Coast Bible College and Seminary in Daytona Beach.)

Imagine that a Chancellor of an institution supporting the breaching of privacy of students and likely theft of material from another institution.

This is the state of American religiosity.

This is why they like Trump.

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thecommodore  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:52:22pm

Click on Larry’s tweet for the full context.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:55:51pm

re: #3 lawhawk

Trump couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag. He was getting paid $50k an episode in season one. He demanded a million per in season two.

He got $60k.

Think about that a moment. A big hit of a show at that time, and he demands a million per, and could only manage a $10k per episode raise. That’s the opposite of a crackerjack negotiator.

tRump thinks that closing a negotiation is what make it good. In the case of the apprentice, it was all about getting him on TV, the money wasn’t the point. With NK, it’s about getting KJU to the table, doesn’t matter what it costs, he did something no one else has done. It doesn’t matter that the US will get hosed.

The bottom line in all of his “deals” is that he thinks he looks good. His syncophants will cheer, he’ll purée (interesting speelcheak there) preen, and the US gets stuck with whatever shit-sandwich we get stuck with, but he made a deal. So, it’s good.

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William Lewis  Jun 2, 2018 • 12:58:42pm

OT:
Went grocery shopping, after the pantry, for a few necessities. Found the reduced price meat case - 15 oz ribeye steak for 1/2 price because today’s the sell by date. Snarf!
It’s currently frying in butter and the oven fried taters are coming out. Nice side salad to go with. Damn luxurious for me. I’d break out the merlot but I need to get stuff done yet today :D

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:07:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:07:15pm

re: #24 thecommodore

Click on Larry’s tweet for the full context.

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Larry’s a pathetic hack.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:07:51pm

re: #27 Belafon

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When Gowdy’s one of the least immoral people in your bunch, it’s time to quit.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:08:39pm

re: #26 William Lewis

Enjoy!!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:11:55pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

Enjoy!!

And, sell-by dates are pretty arbitrary indicators of a “best by” date. Any USDA regulated product will have a “use on or freeze by” date if there is a safety issue. Color is fairly meaningless as a freshness indicator in meat. Unless it’s green and fuzzy, that’s probably not good.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:13:22pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:15:26pm

re: #24 thecommodore

Click on Larry’s tweet for the full context.

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I refuse to click on that Twit’s Tweeter feed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:16:40pm

re: #27 Belafon

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I have absolutely no sympathy for Gowdy Doody. He’s getting what he deserves.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:29:03pm

Has Trump gone to Camp David before?

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stpaulbear  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:32:23pm

re: #35 JordanRules

Has Trump gone to Camp David before?

At least once before.

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William Lewis  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:32:59pm

re: #31 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And, sell-by dates are pretty arbitrary indicators of a “best by” date. Any USDA regulated product will have a “use on or freeze by” date if there is a safety issue. Color is fairly meaningless as a freshness indicator in meat. Unless it’s green and fuzzy, that’s probably not good.

Oh, I know. That’s why I giggled all the way to the checkout. Perfect medium, tender and just the right amount of juice. Nom nom nom!

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ckkatz  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:34:26pm

re: #13 MsJ

What letter? Is this in the NYT? I can’t read them. I refuse to give them one red cent.

The annotated letter is at:
nytimes.com

You may be able to access it from a Firefox private window.

Looks to me like the maximalist claims that precede bare knuckles negotiations by top tier lawyers. I agree it is chilling in its claims. Glad that I do not play at that level. Although I, like everybody else here, is going to have to face whatever results.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:41:00pm
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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:42:52pm

re: #39 JordanRules

He thought “Russia probe” meant something more physical in nature.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:49:20pm

re: #36 stpaulbear

At least once before.

And hates it. “The trees aren’t lined up good and there’s dirt on the ground!”

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 1:54:28pm

re: #41 Dave In Austin

And hates it. “The trees aren’t lined up good and there’s dirt on the ground!”

“Why would you make a golf course people have to walk on?”

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ckkatz  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:02:22pm

In honor of the thunderstorm moving into the DC region. Although in DC’s case it is meteorological, I hope. (I also really like her “Love Story” song.)

Indila - Dernière Danse (Clip Officiel)

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Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:10:35pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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I’m utterly shocked.
Udderly.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:15:46pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The letter to Mueller from Trump’s lawyers is really disturbing and ominous. It reads like the beginning of the end of American democracy.

And the fucking useless Republicans in congress are going to let it all come crashing down while sitting on their hands and blaming someone else.

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:19:25pm

Taste the Republicanism, Iowa

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Teukka  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:24:34pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

And the fucking useless Republicans in congress are going to let it all come crashing down while sitting on their hands and blaming someone else.

My hunch is that it may vary well crash down on them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:25:32pm

I’m back.

A couple hours ago our village electrical substation blew up, causing a chain reaction through the north part of the county. The electric was just restored.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:25:37pm

re: #46 jaunte

re: #47 Teukka

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Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:26:25pm

re: #47 Teukka

My hunch is that it may vary well crash down on them.

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stpaulbear  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:26:41pm

re: #46 jaunte

I hope that takes Steve King down. He really needs to go.

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Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:27:13pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

I’m back.

A couple hours ago our village electrical substation blew up, causing a chain reaction through the north part of the county. The electric was just restored.

Blew up?
Like, boom?
/Damn squirrels

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:27:41pm

re: #46 jaunte

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Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:28:50pm

re: #53 Belafon

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I dunno, might make the whole town very hungry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:28:51pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

Blew up?
Like, boom?
/Damn squirrels

CSB: Had a transformer blow up during a thunderstorm many years ago. My dad went out to inspect it afterwards and re-establish power. Found a cat inside the transformer box. Poor critter had sought shelter from the rain and got more than it bargained for.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:28:58pm

re: #338 Ace Rothstein

Kids being able to go to college without graduating with $75,000 in debt.

College was too expensive for me to go when I was a kid. It’s insane now.

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:30:10pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:30:56pm

re: #53 Belafon

[Maybe he’ll force electric companies to burn bacon for electricity.]

Rule #1: Do not burn the bacon.

/especially Joe

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stpaulbear  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:31:00pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

Blew up?
Like, boom?
/Damn squirrels

Here’s ‘Mouse’s video.
//

Power Substation Explosion

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:33:41pm

re: #53 Belafon

If anyone in Iowa cared enough to invest in the infrastructure, they could burn (pyrolyse) pig poop for energy and get some great soil amendment into the bargain.

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Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:35:33pm

re: #59 stpaulbear

Here’s ‘Mouse’s video.
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Video

Dat electrical hum!

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:38:02pm

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

And the fucking useless Republicans in congress are going to let it all come crashing down while sitting on their hands and blaming someone else.

50% of Republican voters would be happy if Trump postponed the next elections. I would bet that well over 50% would be happy if the US had sham elections every few years, like Russia. Give it a few more years of FOX and Youtube and a clear majority of white Americans will be in favour of a return to monarchy, with the Trumps as the royal family. If you asked that question of Southern evangelicals now, I have no doubt 70% would enthusiastically say yes.

Congressional Republicans and Republican voters are not merely oblivious, or bribed to look the other way, or trying to salvage what they can while it burns down. In their millions, they want to live in an authoritarian system that enshrines their privilege, keeps minorities and women in their place, and allows the state to use force against neighbours they don’t like. Revealing the truth of what this regime is doing won’t change their mind, or open their eyes. They know the truth already. And they love it.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:38:58pm

America, 2018:

From the classroom to the campaign trail: Emboldened teachers run for office

[…]

Katherine “Bitzi” Tate, a former high school teacher vying for the Republican nomination in Mississippi’s 3rd Congressional District, is running on a platform of radically shrinking the government’s role in public schools. She believes the federal government and the courts have overstepped their bounds in the classroom, with moves such as banning prayer in public schools and mandating racial integration.

A Christian, she wants to allow states to reintroduce prayer and Bible instruction to public schools. As a teacher, when she gave lessons on evolution, she encouraged her students to write “theory” in the margins of their textbooks, and she would teach them creationism from the Bible.

[…]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:42:39pm

re: #46 jaunte

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Taste the Republicanism, Iowa

MAGA!

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:43:18pm

re: #14 lawhawk

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Trump’s memo shows an absolute disregard for the rule of law.

Trump’s memo shows a disregard for facts, law, or history.

Trump’s memo shows that his legal team is just as incompetent as we expected them to be. And he’ll have plenty of GOPers defending his indefensible acts because he’s mirroring their policies and has a (R) after his name.

Are the Trump’s lawyers incompetent, or are they stuck having to basically do what the greatest lawyer ever tells them how to represent him?

I think this is why lawyers leave Trump or he fires them. No lawyer is better than the greatest lawyer ever, Donald J. Trump, Esq.

It will be interesting to see if his newest “team” of lawyers stick with him once the heat is really turned up. With how things are going right now, that may not be too long before we find out.

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:48:48pm

Oh look, Bob Corker is awake.

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:49:13pm

re: #15 wrenchwench

Giving up Facebook was no biggie, but YouTube? That might be difficult.

I won’t give it up, but I have noticed that their suggestions and recommendations can go down rabbit holes.

I was looking for some formula one racing crash video from a race a few weeks ago, which really was not graphic as no driver was hurt. It just damaged their cars and the they were out of the race. But, I did see a gruesome auto crash YouTube on the sidebar recommendations with other racing crashes.

I think that is how the rabbit hole is exposed. Once you click that it is crash city, death and destruction. No thanks.

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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:50:26pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

[…] With how things are going right now, that may not be too long before we find out.

‘Too long’ happened months ago…

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KGxvi  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:51:34pm

re: #57 jaunte

I haven’t read the whole memo (I have better things to do, like take a nap) but my brief skimming of it makes me feel sorry (as a fellow attorney) for Trump’s legal team. Sometimes you just get a shit case, or a shit client, and there isn’t much you can do (on the civil side, you hope you can convince the insurer to pay the policy limits). That seems to be where they are at. They know they (or more accurately: their client) are screwed. So they’re trying the most outlandish arguments while ignoring the most basic points of law. Like the fact that something can be legal/lawful in one setting and unlawful/illegal in a different one.

Trump will most definitely have to answer a subpoena, when it comes. John Marshall apparently considered issuing a subpoena for testimony to Thomas Jefferson (while he was president) when overseeing a trial against Aaron Burr (let that sentence sink in for a bit). Jefferson produced documents for the trial and that was enough for Marshall. But the key point is, a subpoena isn’t an executive action, it’s a court order, it is a power of the court and as a co-equal branch, it can order the president to appear and testify.

Perhaps there is an argument to be made that the US attorney’s office (particularly the prosecutorial portions of the offices) should be moved to the judiciary rather than the executive.

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KGxvi  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:53:30pm

re: #66 jaunte

I am working with like-minded Republican senators on ways to push back on the president using authorities in ways never intended and that are damaging to our country and our allies. Will Democrats join us?

Democrats have been waiting for you. But what you really need to do, Bob, is go talk to Speaker Ryan and the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee to work on articles of impeachment.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:53:31pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Oh look, Bob Corker is awake.

I hope they’re doing something, but their previous inaction just makes me think that all the bill will say is “For every law the president violates, 1% fewer Democrats will be allowed to vote.”

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:54:24pm

Christianity has been hegemonic in North America since the Spaniards came and forced conversions.

Now, under that umbrella of the term “Christianity” there has been a diversity of dogma and practice. Quite diverse, if one includes groups like the early Universalists, the Mormons, etc.

But, as I’ve been trying to illustrate, the lunge towards fundamentalism has been the partner to the general atavistic trend.

This is reactionary, a result of Modernity chipping away at the beliefs of religion.

I believe that as time marches forward, the “Christianity” that will be left in America is the fundamentalist variety, as other churches adopt more modern positions and eventually become “Christian” only in heritage and not in practice.

An example of the march of fundamentalism to take over what remains of American Christianity:

American Bible Society Requires Employees to Follow Its Evangelical Shift

Plenty of Christian organizations require employees to sign a statement of faith. For over 200 years, the American Bible Society (ABS) wasn’t one of them.

But now the Philadelphia-based ministry plans to implement an “affirmation of biblical community” next year, requiring all employees to uphold basic Christian beliefs and the authority of Scripture, as well as committing to activities such as church involvement and refraining from sex outside of traditional marriage.

“This is a newsworthy story because the society, since its founding in 1816, has never had a doctrinal statement for employees. In fact, the American Bible Society was built on the idea that the Bible should be distributed ‘without note or comment,’” wrote historian John Fea.

[…]

The ABS’s history is one of reaching across denominations and subsets of Christendom. But it is becoming clear that the fundamentalists are going to end up being the dominant form of Christianity.

The article provides a bit of detail on how this shift in the ABS happened over decades.

This parallels what has happened to the GOP, btw.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:56:14pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:57:29pm

re: #62 Renaissance_Man

50% of Republican voters would be happy if Trump postponed the next elections. I would bet that well over 50% would be happy if the US had sham elections every few years, like Russia. Give it a few more years of FOX and Youtube and a clear majority of white Americans will be in favour of a return to monarchy, with the Trumps as the royal family. If you asked that question of Southern evangelicals now, I have no doubt 70% would enthusiastically say yes.

Congressional Republicans and Republican voters are not merely oblivious, or bribed to look the other way, or trying to salvage what they can while it burns down. In their millions, they want to live in an authoritarian system that enshrines their privilege, keeps minorities and women in their place, and allows the state to use force against neighbours they don’t like. Revealing the truth of what this regime is doing won’t change their mind, or open their eyes. They know the truth already. And they love it.

50% of Republicans is half of 25% of the population (and dropping). DT is losing female evangelicals. His “policies” are beginning to bite, and this will only get worse as the summer continues. So nothing is as hopeless as you’d like us to think.

Furthermore, IT DOESN’T MATTER whether it’s hopeless or not, this battle has to be fought. We need to work on getting to voters, since the press can’t be relied on, and fighting voter suppression, also getting out the vote.

Since we all have to do this no matter what, I wish the people around here with RWNJs apparently living rent free in their heads would work on evicting them. We can all channel them if we want to, it’s getting more than redundant to hear everyone telling us how hopeless everything is, and all of you might be happier without them too.

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Varek Raith  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:58:29pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Oh look, Bob Corker is awake.

Cryosleep is a pain in the ass.

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KGxvi  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:58:31pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

You know what would have reduced tariffs against American goods?

The Trans Pacific Partnership.

Which you, Donny, spent months railing against during the campaign, and then pulled us out of.

Way to fucking go.

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meteor  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:58:35pm

re: #3 lawhawk

Ha ha ha ha haa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 2:59:57pm

Comment on Wonkette’s article about the settlement by Chuck C. Johnson.

I feel bad for the good Charles that he has to share a name with that incel imbecile.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:00:09pm

re: #74 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Since we all have to do this no matter what, I wish the people around here with RWNJs apparently living rent free in their heads would work on evicting them. We can all channel them if we want to, it’s getting more than redundant to hear everyone telling us how hopeless everything is, and all of you might be happier without them too.

+100

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meteor  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:02:05pm
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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:03:18pm
the many Billions of Dollars that the Tariffs we are now charging are, and will be, pouring into U.S. coffers?

Lamest jackass ever to wreck an economy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:04:28pm

re: #57 jaunte

Suppose President Trump punched the First Lady in the White House (federal property = federal jurisdiction), then ordered the Secret Service to conceal the assault. POTUS has Article II authority over Secret Service. Is that obstruction? Under Sekulow/Dowd, apparently NO

— David Frum

The Secret Service takes an oath to the Constitution, not the President, just as military personnel do. Such an order would be an unlawful order (violate Federal law).

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meteor  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:05:17pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Attention, Mr. President, from a former reading tutor:

PLEASE STOP CAPITALIZING RANDOM NOUNS.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:05:33pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

Blew up?
Like, boom?
/Damn squirrels

Like boom. Apparently there was damage that went undetected from the tornado.

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:06:18pm

TARIFFS Pouring into Coffers, unfairly not Mentioned.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:06:34pm

On another topic entirely, I love my new iPad (bought ahead of the trade war). The Pencil is cool too.

Rationally considered, I have no need of either of these toys. Bwahaha.

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Teukka  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:07:37pm

re: #49 Belafon

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re: #50 Varek Raith

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That… Or you know those freak accidents that can best be described as “one thing after another”?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:09:39pm

re: #63 freetoken

America, 2018:

From the classroom to the campaign trail: Emboldened teachers run for office

Christian Sharia.

Prayer wasn’t banned from schools; state-mandated and led prayer was banned.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:12:36pm

re: #74 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

50% of Republicans is half of 25% of the population (and dropping). DT is losing female evangelicals. His “policies” are beginning to bite, and this will only get worse as the summer continues. So nothing is as hopeless as you’d like us to think.

Furthermore, IT DOESN’T MATTER whether it’s hopeless or not, this battle has to be fought. We need to work on getting to voters, since the press can’t be relied on, and fighting voter suppression, also getting out the vote.

Since we all have to do this no matter what, I wish the people around here with RWNJs apparently living rent free in their heads would work on evicting them. We can all channel them if we want to, it’s getting more than redundant to hear everyone telling us how hopeless everything is, and all of you might be happier without them too.

I have been accused of negativity and doomsaying here before, with some accuracy. Nothing I said in the last post should be construed as hopelessness. I think it’s important to be clear that Trumpers do not process like other humans, and that the chance of them changing their minds or their votes is effectively nil, even if Donald Trump were to personally murder their family members. I think it is also important to understand that the source of all of this corruption is the US media - FOX, Facebook Twitter, Youtube, and also mainstream sources.

I think all of this is important to understand because it is ineffective to fight without knowing the nature of the enemy, or even who the enemy really is. But at no point have I ever suggested not fighting. Quite the contrary.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:17:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:18:38pm

re: #74 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

50% of Republicans is half of 25% of the population (and dropping). DT is losing female evangelicals. His “policies” are beginning to bite, and this will only get worse as the summer continues. So nothing is as hopeless as you’d like us to think.

Furthermore, IT DOESN’T MATTER whether it’s hopeless or not, this battle has to be fought. We need to work on getting to voters, since the press can’t be relied on, and fighting voter suppression, also getting out the vote.

Since we all have to do this no matter what, I wish the people around here with RWNJs apparently living rent free in their heads would work on evicting them. We can all channel them if we want to, it’s getting more than redundant to hear everyone telling us how hopeless everything is, and all of you might be happier without them too.

Damn skippy. (Me working to get out the vote here, on the other hand, means Republican votes. I see my job here in Redstatia as more informing people here what the issues really are, and who’s promoting what. Right now that’s informing people about tariffs targeted at Nebraska products, why that’s happening, and how to fix it - vote for someone other than the R.)

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:22:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:27:52pm

the moron really has no clue as to how this all works

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:29:47pm

re: #66 jaunte

Oh look, Bob Corker is awake.

Sen. Corker is trying to shift blame and responsibility on the Democratic Party.

The Democrats have been calling on their colleagues to do something for a year and a half.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:31:01pm

re: #62 Renaissance_Man

Thinking of a little observation I saw on Facebook the other day.

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Frank Wilhoit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:32:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:33:47pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:34:23pm

re: #39 JordanRules

Rudi Giuliani joins Trump legal team, hopes to end Russia Probe ‘in a week or two.’

Like sands through an hourglass, these are The Days of Our Lives.

(…and the meter is running, but don’t expect to get paid)

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:34:29pm

re: #22 Belafon

Here’s something that Democrats need to tell Trump: Pardoning himself will not save him from impeachment.

(shhhhhhh)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:36:17pm
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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:38:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:40:15pm

re: #83 meteor

Attention, Mr. President, from a former reading tutor:

PLEASE STOP CAPITALIZING RANDOM NOUNS.

I think it’s Trump’s idea of emphasising particular words (a visual equivalent to verbal emphasis).

It makes his tweets look like RWNJ comments on blogs.

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:47:39pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mattis Accuses Beijing of ‘Intimidation and Coercion’ in South China Sea
Trump:Very surprised that China would be doing this?

you think they started this last week?
it’s been going on for years
you think our military and intelligence hasnt known and reported it on it?
to you?

read a damn briefing book

twit

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:52:06pm

re: #76 KGxvi

You know what would have reduced tariffs against American goods?

The Trans Pacific Partnership.

Which you, Donny, spent months railing against during the campaign, and then pulled us out of.

Way to fucking go.

Pretty clear how Trump managed to mess up so many of his “great” businesses. He probably spent 10 million to make 1 million.

But, hey…a million dollars.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:52:18pm

Fledgling eagles about to be rained upon:

Decorah Eagles powered by EXPLORE.org

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:52:23pm

re: #101 jaunte

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To quote another phrase from American history, “Now we are all sons of bitches.”

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:52:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:53:39pm

Note to Racists: It’s Not Racist to Call You Racist (Goes to The Rude Pundit)

I would offer a caveat for those who voted for Donald Trump and didn’t know of some of the things he said. (That is a small cohort, but not zero.)

Let’s get this out of the way early here so you can determine if you want to continue: If you voted for Donald Trump, you are racist. If you still support Donald Trump, you are racist. You are racist because you are supporting someone who is not just personally racist but who wants the nation to have policies and laws that are racist. Even if you are a rich person who is just a greedy asshole and voted for Trump for the tax cuts, you are still a racist.

I am making this distinction not because I want to excuse Trump’s racism on a personal level, but as a way of trying to explain to racist Trump voters why they are racists even if, in their hearts, they believe they have no issue with people of other races. That part doesn’t matter if you helped put someone in office who regularly says racist things and regularly, deliberately does things that target non-whites, including the Muslim travel ban, the savage immigration policies, and the attacks on African Americans who protest violence against them. You can’t say, “I believe that everything Trump is doing is making America great again” and then follow that with “But I’m not racist” because that’s plainly a lie.

(more at the link)

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:55:14pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:57:16pm

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

even if Donald Trump were to personally murder their family members

I can attest to this.

My wife’s ex-husband ambushed his 2nd wife’s brother-in-law and killed him with a knife. He wanted to plead innocent to 1st degree murder but his lawyer told him, “Plead guilty to 2nd. You’ll get life otherwise.” Ex-husband got 12 to 20, served fourteen.

Ex’s 2nd wife divorced him. Then re-married him when he got out.

Some people just need someone to submit to, no matter what the cost.

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:57:52pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:58:49pm

re: #89 Renaissance_Man

I have been accused of negativity and doomsaying here before, with some accuracy. Nothing I said in the last post should be construed as hopelessness. I think it’s important to be clear that Trumpers do not process like other humans, and that the chance of them changing their minds or their votes is effectively nil, even if Donald Trump were to personally murder their family members. I think it is also important to understand that the source of all of this corruption is the US media - FOX, Facebook Twitter, Youtube, and also mainstream sources.

I think all of this is important to understand because it is ineffective to fight without knowing the nature of the enemy, or even who the enemy really is. But at no point have I ever suggested not fighting. Quite the contrary.

Sigh. We know this. Someone posts a paraphrase at least once a day. RWNJs are not our audience, and we need to bypass much of the media. Read your Lakoff, (and The Captive Mind) and please cut telling me what I already know down to once a week or so (not really aimed at you in particular).

(The hard-core deplorables are a subset of who we think they are. As I said, he’s losing evangelical women. And others?)

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 2, 2018 • 3:59:55pm

Something very odd happened when I did a yahoo search for Melania Trump. A notice that viruses were found on my computer. I got out of the screen and so far everything seems to be okay.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:03:13pm

Column: Melania Trump isn’t missing — she’s living with the Obamas! (Chicago Tribune, more at the link, a CT story which I found funny, anyway):

America’s first lady was last seen in public on May 10. On Friday morning we learned she won’t join the president this weekend at Camp David. Her absence has sparked all manner of wild theorizing, from rumors of plastic surgery to suggestions she moved back to New York City.

But I’m here to tell you it’s far more scandalous than anyone imagined.

After minutes of careful conjuring and professional assumptionizing, I unraveled the truth: The Deep State helped sneak Melania out of the White House through a tunnel and she is now living with Barack and Michelle Obama.

It’s the most shocking, absolutely made up political scandal since Donald Trump proved conclusively that President Barack Obama was not born in America.

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:03:16pm

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

Do you supposed she picked up something from her husband? mostly////

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TedStriker  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:04:18pm

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

Something very odd happened when I did a yahoo search for Melania Trump. A notice that viruses were found on my computer. I got out of the screen and so far everything seems to be okay.

Well, there’s your problem!

/

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:06:27pm

Thank Soros for the Deep State! Hail Soros! Hail Alinsky!

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:06:28pm

Who knows?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:07:15pm

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

Something very odd happened when I did a yahoo search for Melania Trump. A notice that viruses were found on my computer. I got out of the screen and so far everything seems to be okay.

I just did the same search and didn’t get that. I did get a whole slew of kitten pictures (where the kittens are substituted for photos of Donald Trump)

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:08:33pm

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

I rather get kitten pics. My computer seems to be okay and functioning normally.

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mmmirele  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:11:46pm

I am so done with church. D.O.N.E. The closest I am ever going to get is the sidewalk, with a picket sign. The good church people have stepped on my last nerve and as far as I am concerned, the so-called “body” of Christ is more like a freaking Mafia family.

Yesterday, the head of the board of trustees of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary announced why they had completely canned Paige Patterson, relieving him of his emeritus status, compensation, and retirement home. It turned out it was because he’d lied about reporting a rape to the police in 2003, and because he tried to meet with another rape victim in 2015 to “break her down.”

But that’s not why I’m done. This is why I’m done: the wife of Patterson’s chief of staff, Sharayah Colter, somehow got her hands on documents that went missing from Patterson’s prior seminary, Southeastern Baptist, where he’d been president. These were about the 2003 victim. She passed them to a professor at SWBTS named Candi Finch, who posted them to her blog. The documents are completely out of context and fail to take into account that the victim was looking at the very real possibility of being expelled, (As it turned out, she was put on probation for two years and ended up leaving the seminary without a degree.)

washingtonpost.com

And that, fellow lizards, is what stepped on my last nerve. These two people, who were so upset their little tin god Paige Patterson got fired, decided they were going to harm the woman who caused all this trouble to the great, great man. I’ve had enough.

So now, now we have another story from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, describing how Patterson told the later victim of rape that it was “good” she was raped, and threatened to sic lawyers on the victim’s mother if she didn’t stop questioning Patterson’s leadership. Oh, and that the woman’s future husband wouldn’t care if she’d been raped.

amp.star-telegram.com

Seriously, I am so, so, so, so, so DONE. I’ve HAD IT. But I’ll be back on the sidewalk at Sovereign Grace in the morning, because the sidewalk is not the church. I am DONE.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:11:51pm

re: #120 PhillyPretzel

I rather get kitten pics. My computer seems to be okay and functioning normally.

Perhaps one of those adverts that claim you have viruses, trying to scare you into buying someone’s anti-virus product?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:13:03pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:14:06pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Possible. And my MacBook Air is still under warranty.

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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:14:16pm

re: #116 TedStriker

Well, there’s your problem!

/

OT:

Are you the lizard with fond memories of Philmont Scout Ranch? [Darn nic-changers] There’s a big fire burning around there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:15:18pm

re: #16 JordanRules

Never forget Crosscheck.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:15:46pm

re: #121 mmmirele

Sending a hug because I appreciate what you do!

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Interesting Times  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:16:27pm

re: #123 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:17:07pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They won’t even give that SOB a slap on the wrist!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:17:41pm
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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:18:02pm

Those eagles are getting mighty wet. Mama eagle landed just as the rain started. The young ones were are spreading their wings but of course that just made them wetter.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:19:24pm

re: #130 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Republicans are only “for the rule of law” insofar as it benefits them personally and hinders their enemies. They are not, as you may note with significance, for “equal protection under the law”.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:19:56pm

re: #121 mmmirele

I am so done with church. D.O.N.E. The closest I am ever going to get is the sidewalk, with a picket sign. The good church people have stepped on my last nerve and as far as I am concerned, the so-called “body” of Christ is more like a freaking Mafia family.

Yesterday, the head of the board of trustees of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary announced why they had completely canned Paige Patterson, relieving him of his emeritus status, compensation, and retirement home. It turned out it was because he’d lied about reporting a rape to the police in 2003, and because he tried to meet with another rape victim in 2015 to “break her down.”

But that’s not why I’m done. This is why I’m done: the wife of Patterson’s chief of staff, Sharayah Colter, somehow got her hands on documents that went missing from Patterson’s prior seminary, Southeastern Baptist, where he’d been president. These were about the 2003 victim. She passed them to a professor at SWBTS named Candi Finch, who posted them to her blog. The documents are completely out of context and fail to take into account that the victim was looking at the very real possibility of being expelled, (As it turned out, she was put on probation for two years and ended up leaving the seminary without a degree.)

washingtonpost.com

And that, fellow lizards, is what stepped on my last nerve. These two people, who were so upset their little tin god Paige Patterson got fired, decided they were going to harm the woman who caused all this trouble to the great, great man. I’ve had enough.

So now, now we have another story from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, describing how Patterson told the later victim of rape that it was “good” she was raped, and threatened to sic lawyers on the victim’s mother if she didn’t stop questioning Patterson’s leadership. Oh, and that the woman’s future husband wouldn’t care if she’d been raped.

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amp.star-telegram.com

Seriously, I am so, so, so, so, so DONE. I’ve HAD IT. But I’ll be back on the sidewalk at Sovereign Grace in the morning, because the sidewalk is not the church. I am DONE.

What is the future of the Christian faith in the US?

We already know that the giant Dallas Baptist church lead by Jeffress has sold its soul to Donald and now that the news that the guys down the street at the Southwest Baptist Seminary were lead by a bunch of criminal sleazebags what happens now?

If I were a newbie who happened to pick up a bible and was inspired by the words of Christ then where the hell should I go?

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:20:09pm

These events occurred, of course, centuries before the coming of Bonespurious the Orange.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:21:12pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Perhaps one of those adverts that claim you have viruses, trying to scare you into buying someone’s anti-virus product?

Remember Kaspersky is a Kremlin product.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:21:32pm

LOL.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:23:48pm

Wait, I didn’t know about the font and the absurd fuckery of it all is killing me.

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jaunte  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:24:07pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:24:16pm

re: #133 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

What is the future of the Christian faith in the US?

We already know that the giant Dallas Baptist church lead by Jeffress has sold its sold to Donald and now that the news that the guys down the street at the Southwest Baptist Seminary were lead by a bunch of criminal sleazebags what happens now?

If I were a newbie who happened to pick up a bible and was inspired by the words of Christ then where the hell should I go?

Honestly, the best and most genuine churches in America are the ones that aren’t saying much. If you wanted to go somewhere and find “real Christianity”, so to speak, you’d look for an urban or suburban church off the beaten path, and avoid the major denominations. Rural churches, churches that are a part of major denominations, and megachurches are all pretty much a lock to be filled to the brim with stupidity.

To be honest, I see the future of moderate-liberal Christianity as winding up going underground to avoid being persecuted by those holier-than-thous who are quickly heading down the path of sharia law that they so despise in the Muslim world. God only knows how ironic it would be for American Christians to start suffering martyrdom at the hands of other so-called “Christians”.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:25:38pm

re: #133 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

What is the future of the Christian faith in the US?

We already know that the giant Dallas Baptist church lead by Jeffress has sold its sold to Donald and now that the news that the guys down the street at the Southwest Baptist Seminary were lead by a bunch of criminal sleazebags what happens now?

If I were a newbie who happened to pick up a bible and was inspired by the words of Christ then where the hell should I go?

Millions of millennials shun churches. More peopl walk out every weekend and never go back. The Religious Right has done an amazing thing. More people reject the BS. Churches will continue to dwindle.

Religion is an internal experience not just sleeping in a pew every Sunday.

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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:25:55pm

re: #133 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

If I were a newbie who happened to pick up a bible and was inspired by the words of Christ then where the hell should I go?

For starters, you might watch your phraseology. I like it, though.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:26:05pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bet he triggered some libtards! That’s enuf to ern mah vote!!!1!

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:29:05pm

re: #121 mmmirele

Seriously, I am so, so, so, so, so DONE. I’ve HAD IT. But I’ll be back on the sidewalk at Sovereign Grace in the morning, because the sidewalk is not the church. I am DONE.

I suggest the sidewalk is indeed your church.

What you are doing is what that Jesus guy probably would have done.

Strip out the dogma and the story of Jesus can be about a guy that just wanted what was right for everyone. A socialist political radical.

He ran up against a church/religion and look what the story says he got for it.

The sidewalk is your church because that is where you speak the truth from any day you are picketing. Preach it.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:31:06pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

For starters, you might watch your phraseology. I like it, though.

From what I’ve seen the guys selling tickets to heaven on the street for a donation are far more frightening than the average Joe.

The teachings of Christ are life changing and are great rules for some to follow but the fakers who currently hold that standard aren’t pointing in the right direction.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:32:06pm

Soaked and not happy about it:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:32:51pm

re: #121 mmmirele

But nearly every religious group has no problem calling atheists the immoral ones.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:33:25pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

I suggest the sidewalk is indeed your church.

What you are doing is what that Jesus guy probably would have done.

Strip out the dogma and the story of Jesus can be about a guy that just wanted what was right for everyone. A socialist political radical.

He ran up against a church/religion and look what the story says he got for it.

The sidewalk is your church because that is where you speak the truth from any day you are picketing. Preach it.

On a sleepy Sunday morning in the Midwest, Jesus would not be found on the pew of any church in the entire region. He’d be hanging out in an alley teaching the Good News to the prostitutes and the gangs. Sunday morning church has gotten to be a comfort ritual for the benefit of fragile Christians who aren’t able to exercise their faith in a scary world.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:39:54pm

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Despite only having launched in May, the site already has a definitely real testimonial from a “Rebecca” from Boise, Idaho, NOT CANADA, LIKE YOU WERE PROBABLY THINKING.

More: wonkette.com

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:41:30pm

re: #132 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Republicans are only “for the rule of law” insofar as it benefits them personally and hinders their enemies. They are not, as you may note with significance, for “equal protection under the law”.

Right now if a commercial like the one Kristol is talking about gets the attention of any Republican and counters the standard Fox News take and makes them think, I’ll take it.

One thing at a time. Sure, the Republicans are going to be Republicans.

But, Trump isn’t even really a Republican. He’s a dangerous squatter. Get him out and then blame Republicans and conservative thinking for him and then attack them on rule of law rhetoric.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:41:31pm
Click to Reveal

Back from my week-long trip to Austin. Had a blast. Niece graduated HS. So darn proud of her. Didn’t do as much as I was planning because of the heat, but managed to visit Graffiti Park, and have a ton of tacos. Also, if you’re ever there, a visit to Cypress Grill is a must. I had the best catfish w/etouffee EVER. Lots of time with the family which was awesome and much needed. Now back to reality. Mom having knee replacement surgery on the 13th. So I’ll have to be pulling double duty between her and my father. Sigh! :)

Glad to be back.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:41:32pm

Let’s not forget that Melanie is a birther, just like her bloated orange “husband.” I don’t give a rat’s ass where she is.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:44:05pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:44:09pm

re: #113 PhillyPretzel

Something very odd happened when I did a yahoo search for Melania Trump. A notice that viruses were found on my computer. I got out of the screen and so far everything seems to be okay.

Your personal Vietnam. ///

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plansbandc  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:44:23pm

re: #133 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

House Church. Have seriously considered this because I just cannot do church anymore, but I am a Christian. en.wikipedia.org

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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:45:28pm
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plansbandc  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:45:47pm

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

Of course they did.

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:46:46pm

re: #138 jaunte

These veterans from Texas were deported. They can still see the country they once served from a park in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico. They say they deserve a second chance

deporting everyone except the dreaded “ms-13”

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:48:29pm

re: #151 Ace Rothstein

Let’s not forget that Melanie is a birther, just like her bloated orange “husband.” I don’t give a rat’s ass where she is.

as i said above, purely for national security purposes we have a right and need to know

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:50:23pm

re: #151 Ace Rothstein

Let’s not forget that Melanie is a birther, just like her bloated orange “husband.” I don’t give a rat’s ass where she is.

I am interested in Melania’s fate only insofar as it can be used against Cheetolini. For that reason I’m following it with bated breath.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:51:40pm

Trondheim harbor - it’s far enough north that even though it’s late at night the sky is still light enough:

Trondheim Havn - Hurtigrutekaia

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:52:42pm

Worthwhile thread (seven tweets):

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:54:51pm

re: #151 Ace Rothstein

Let’s not forget that Melanie is a birther, just like her bloated orange “husband.” I don’t give a rat’s ass where she is.

I care insofar as much as I would rather it be different, she is the First Lady. Regardless of the funny (or not so funny) speculation of where she might be, her being missing in action constitutes a potential national security issue or such.

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wrenchwench  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:55:40pm

Later, lizards.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:56:22pm

re: #151 Ace Rothstein

Let’s not forget that Melanie is a birther, just like her bloated orange “husband.” I don’t give a rat’s ass where she is.

Good point, she may be running towards the loving and comforting arms of Jerome Corsi.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 2, 2018 • 4:57:45pm

re: #164 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Good point, she may be running towards the loving and comforting arms of Jerome Corsi.

she

i dont want to more sh*t than necessary.

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Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:07:39pm

re: #158 dangerman

as i said above, purely for national security purposes we have a right and need to know

How long does it take for a broken jaw to heal?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:10:56pm

Atchafalaya catfish and bourbon chocolate pecan pie. Uh. Muh. Gud.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:11:45pm

re: #167 GlutenFreeJesus

That pie looks good.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:12:42pm

re: #168 PhillyPretzel

That pie looks good.

Tasted even better!

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:15:19pm

re: #5 Belafon

Another middle class show: The Middle.

2 Broke Girls
The Big Bang Theory {Very smart, educated middle-class people}

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:15:44pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:16:23pm

Political cartoon headline:

Trump imposes tariffs on steel and aluminum; supporters brace for higher prices on tin-foil hats.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:20:02pm

Oh my goodness. I wonder how they got the first hand report?

Billy Graham, who has died at the age of 99, was philosophical today after finally getting to meet the person he had devoting his life to promoting.

“It’s true what they say - never meet your idols.”

Asked what exactly about Jesus had disappointed him, Graham said it was hard to pinpoint, other than a general sense of being let down.

“He’s a lot shorter than I imagined.”

For his part, Jesus was surprised to learn Graham was one of his most enthusiastic followers.

“He certainly didn’t act like one during his time on Earth. I’m confused.”

breakingburgh.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:20:21pm

A little something to lighten todays mood.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:22:35pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

A little something to lighten todays mood.

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Pizza is healthy. You’ve got dairy, meat, carbohydrates, and vegetables. And, if you’re a heathen like me and put pineapple on it, fruit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:25:09pm

re: #170 wheat-dogg

2 Broke Girls
The Big Bang Theory {Very smart, educated middle-class people}

It’s funny because until just now, I didn’t really consider BBT about middle-class people, but it’s true. Young scientists can often be lower than middle-class because of all that college debt they’re carrying around.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:25:19pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

Usually I eat pizza on Election Day because that is what they feed us. And since it was on Election Day it had no calories. :)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:28:02pm

re: #177 PhillyPretzel

Usually I eat pizza on Election Day because that is what they feed us. And since it was on Election Day it had no calories. :)

DOCTOR: Calories consumed on the TARDIS don’t count.
CLARA: Are you kidding?
DOCTOR: Of course, it’s a time machine, not a miracle worker.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:28:11pm

re: #176 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Post-docs get paid less than the typical starting engineer or business graduate.

Then, for the few who get associate professor jobs, the pay may increase a bit, but so do the responsibilities.

Academia is very much a hierarchical organization.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:30:29pm

Looking back on my life, while I regret not going forward in graduate school right after getting by B.S., it is also true that financially I was better off getting a job right away.

Now, if perchance I had been able to complete a Ph.D. in physics (no small thing and I was burnt out as it was), chances are good I would have struggeled to find a good position.

Yet, I think if someone loves teaching, one can get a job in a small college easy enough, if one is willing to be ok with a $50k/year job, at least until one gets senior status where the salaries are better.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:31:22pm

The great Pizza Debate in my hometown of Ambridge, PA. When they ask which side are you on you declare either for…

Police Station Pizza…

The thick square pizza

OR

Frank’s Pizza

Frank puts the cheese first, ladles the sauce and then adds more cheese!
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:33:18pm

re: #180 freetoken

Looking back on my life, while I regret not going forward in graduate school right after getting by B.S., it is also true that financially I was better off getting a job right away.

Now, if perchance I had been able to complete a Ph.D. in physics (no small thing and I was burnt out as it was), chances are good I would have struggeled to find a good position.

Yet, I think if someone loves teaching, one can get a job in a small college easy enough, if one is willing to be ok with a $50k/year job, at least until one gets senior status where the salaries are better.

I thought about going into academia, because my love for “pure computing” was so great, but honestly, I’m the son of an engineer - engineering is in my blood. I was practically born with duct tape in one hand and WD-40 in the other. I turned out to find a great niche that makes me happy, and rarely look back.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:33:46pm

re: #181 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Police Station Pizza looks like what my mom cooks at home, and it is delicious, but I am a cheese addict, so that’s where my vote goes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:36:50pm
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William Lewis  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:41:04pm

re: #133 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

What is the future of the Christian faith in the US?

We already know that the giant Dallas Baptist church lead by Jeffress has sold its soul to Donald and now that the news that the guys down the street at the Southwest Baptist Seminary were lead by a bunch of criminal sleazebags what happens now?

If I were a newbie who happened to pick up a bible and was inspired by the words of Christ then where the hell should I go?

I’d suggest your nearest Episcopalian parish, especially in larger cities. We remain, fighting the good fight. There are others but that’s the one I know. Even our “conservatives” aren’t welcomed by the Fundies and the others twisting the Word to fit their desire for secular power.

But there is more to it. If they want to believe, then in their faith perhaps the community they should be looking for isn’t a church because it really may well be time for the Church, as such, to die for the sake of Christ Jesus.

Below is a facebook message sent by Diana Butler Bass. It was sent in an email as text to me by my priest so I do not have a direct link.

I’m thinking about something today — hear me out.
More than forty years ago, mainline Protestantism began its decline. During
the time of greatest loss, scholars and critics assigned blame: that liberal
clergy, out of step with their congregations, pushed political agendas
around the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam that drove people away.
Politics made people leave.
This became conventional wisdom. Most people believed it. Many still believe
it. And denominations seemed to believe it. And we started to act as if that
was truth. “Don’t upset people,” leaders said, “it is their church. Be a
pastor. That’s your job.” As a result, we slowly turned inward. By the
1990s, one of the few conversations we could hold in the mainline — a
conversation that did not cause extreme dissension, but that we wanted to
engage — was about the decline and how to pull congregations out of cycles
of loss. In other words, we mostly wanted to talk about ourselves.
What if there is a different way of understanding all this?
Yes, there was a huge membership decline in the 1970s and 1980s (with its
fallout continuing even today). That decline, unlike anything our ancestors
had experienced, was a traumatic experience. We couldn’t figure it out. We
felt rejected, hurt, confused, and, perhaps, even abused by being ignored in
the media, by losing privilege, and by decreasing finances.
So, we looked around. What caused the trauma? We wanted to go back and
correct the mistake. To avoid the trauma. Politics. All those smart books
said so. So, that’s the problem. We must avoid that. We will do anything to
avoid that. We will comfort and assure people that we will never do it
again. We will never again make them think about race or international
policy and we’ll dance at the edges of human rights and be as cautious as we
possibly can in order not to drive more people away. Because, God help us,
we can’t afford to drive anyone else away.
Thus, we stopped talking about the world. Instead, we talked about us. Big
fights over worship styles and re-structuring. About hymn books and moving
pews. Feminism and LGBTQ rights came knocking on our doors, and they were
like the persistent woman in the parable. We didn’t really raise those
issues as much as respond to them. And, even then, we kept trying to figure
out how not to lose numbers. Because trauma.
But I’ve begun to think that we are a community suffering from four decades
of unresolved trauma. Avoiding what one thinks as the originating source of
trauma is not a way of healing. What if we don’t know what initiated the
loss? All we have (and I’m not kidding here) are educated guesses. Maybe
about a century from now, a really smart historian will figure it out. But
all we have an opinions, some more informed than others, about what started
it all. Whatever doesn’t really matter. Because that isn’t the real trauma.
The trauma was the loss. And all the resulting grief.
We’re talking a lot about spiritual wounds (thank you, great authors and
teachers for raising these issues!). And how churches wound people. Maybe,
just maybe, the church is wounding people because the church is deeply
wounded. Busy, always busy, to blame something or someone for the pain,
unable to face the reality of the thing: We are dying. Not because of
politics, not because of the spiritual-but-not-religious, not because of
technology, or goofy baby boomers or hopeless millennials. But because
things are born, and grow, and do their work, and die.
Because.
Just because.
Shouldn’t we be blowing our wad now? Instead of hoarding an uncertain future, huddling in fear in our church board meetings and talking about
ourselves at every single denominational event, isn’t it time to be free?
Free to preach the good news of peace. Free to preach real liberty to the
captives. Free to say stuff like no Christian should ever vote for a
candidate who is a moral vacuum and endangers the safety of the entire
planet. Free NOT to hedge our bets. Free. To spend down the retirement
savings, to give all that money to the poor, to invite everyone to the
banquet? Isn’t it time to say what is truly on our hearts, speak our
theological truths, and let ourselves freaking loose in the world?
The way beyond trauma is not cowering in the presence of the abuser. The way
beyond trauma is living your life as fully and freely and passionately and
with as much love and joy and gratitude that it is possible to find. To be
your truest self. In the world.
And what if that is the church that people have been waiting for? What if?
The one in the world. Not afraid of the world and its conflicts and issues
and pain. The one with the world.

I wonder if we in the established churches aren’t like a cancer
patient with some odd version that can’t be cured but won’t put us
down till we’re 99% of the way to being ready to die. So perhaps she
has the right idea. Perhaps we should have the most glorious wake
possible and spend down what we have saying to both the secular and to
the false prophets what the Lord commands us to say. To do it joyfully
and without malice. To be able to say out loud when they are shocked,
“Did I fucking stutter?” like in that glorious cartoon. To raise the goblet
and say - eat & drink & find life because the sun is shining and the kingdom
is here & now if only you dare to live it. To tell people that living for another world
when this world needs us and our hands and our love much more is a
terrible sin; to help, heal & love is what is right and good and walk in a way that
really is repentance.

I am reminded of when, seeing the world collapsing into squalor and
seeing a religious structure that either was too strict (the ascetics
of the desert) or too relaxed in many ways (uninterested in
challenging the rich, the powerful & so on. I’m reminded of the tale
that Gregory the Great met some enslaved singers from Northern Europe
and named their peoples the Angles because they sounded like angels to
him - yet he wasn’t going to bother ending slavery much less even
freeing them, sending missionaries to England instead.) Benedict
instead took what was then a middle way and wrote his rule to support
that. For a very long time it was the basis of many peoples real
christian ways of living in community.

And there will be a handful left after us. The proverbial faithful
remnant toiling away in the vineyard waiting for those who hear,
ponder, remember and come looking for a community that builds in the
here and now for a long term rather than the false hope of short term
gains in the afterlife. The church is dead. Long live the church?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:42:46pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

A little something to lighten todays mood.

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That’s not a real pizza. There’s no pineapple on it. (ducks)

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:44:13pm

re: #176 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s funny because until just now, I didn’t really consider BBT about middle-class people, but it’s true. Young scientists can often be lower than middle-class because of all that college debt they’re carrying around.

Their apartments are nice, but really rather small. And Howard’s mom has a nice house, but again it looks “lived in,” as in a house they’ve had since before Howard was born.

Hidden message: not all “elites” are rich.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:46:09pm

re: #185 William Lewis

Here’s the thing I keep coming back to: Fundamentalist churches repeat the mantra, “Jesus is coming soon.” Well, if that’s true, shouldn’t they be going balls to the wall to reach as many unchurched people as possible, instead of squandering their wealth and waning influence? The collective Church is reminding me of the servant in the parable of the talents who went and buried his talent in a field and hid it. They are refusing to take the risk and put their precious comfort on the line, despite knowing (or claiming to know) that the Master is coming back soon to call them to account.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:49:20pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:51:04pm

Today’s view from nowhere … one wins and one loses is the answer to this question.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:51:43pm

re: #188 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Here’s the thing I keep coming back to: Fundamentalist churches repeat the mantra, “Jesus is coming soon.” Well, if that’s true, shouldn’t they be going balls to the wall to reach as many unchurched people as possible, instead of squandering their wealth and waning influence? The collective Church is reminding me of the servant in the parable of the talents who went and buried his talent in a field and hid it. They are refusing to take the risk and put their precious comfort on the line, despite knowing (or claiming to know) that the Master is coming back soon to call them to account.

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

IOW Jesus was telling his peeps to get their hands dirty and work hard on being righteous. His message was not to drive to church twice a week, sit and sing a spell, then drive home after potluck, confident that you had done your godly duty for the week.

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ObserverArt  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:53:00pm

re: #189 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Dear Tom Nichols,

He’s your’s, like it or not.

Imagine some freaking conservatives doing something about it.

Signed,
Me.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:53:08pm

re: #191 wheat-dogg

IOW Jesus was telling his peeps to get their hands dirty and work hard on being righteous. His message was not to drive to church twice a week, sit and sing a spell, then drive home after potluck, confident that you had done your godly duty for the week.

Jesus repeated several times that He knew, for a fact, that when He came back, there would be a number of so-called “religious” people who would get caught with their pants down because they had gotten complacent, believing they were secure because they were righteous and Jesus wasn’t coming back any time soon anyway.

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William Lewis  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:54:20pm

re: #188 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Here’s the thing I keep coming back to: Fundamentalist churches repeat the mantra, “Jesus is coming soon.” Well, if that’s true, shouldn’t they be going balls to the wall to reach as many unchurched people as possible, instead of squandering their wealth and waning influence? The collective Church is reminding me of the servant in the parable of the talents who went and buried his talent in a field and hid it. They are refusing to take the risk and put their precious comfort on the line, despite knowing (or claiming to know) that the Master is coming back soon to call them to account.

See that same problem is what Paul was fighting in his letters to the Galatians and Corithians - if Jesus is coming back that soon, why do we care about anyone or anything else? Heck, why do we work? It’s all coming to a screeching halt anyway!

But as they learned, Jesus isn’t physically coming back then or now. I have argued more than once that the only second coming that matters is when a believer truly lets Christ Jesus into their heart and in that moment of joy & love is the Eschaton.

After that, the kingdom is simply living up to that moment. That’s the hard part; living as the bible teaches us to - that hard path described by the Our Father.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 5:54:48pm

re: #193 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Jesus repeated several times that He knew, for a fact, that when He came back, there would be a number of so-called “religious” people who would get caught with their pants down because they had gotten complacent, believing they were secure because they were righteous and Jesus wasn’t coming back any time soon anyway.

Yeah, he knew he’d be disappointed bigly. He understood people all too well.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:02:38pm

re: #195 wheat-dogg

To follow any religious principles to their logical conclusions requires determination and courage. If Christians wanted to emulate Jesus and the Apostles, they’d need to shed all worldly possessions and take to the streets to minister to the poor. That’s not entirely practical, of course, but worrying less about your “stuff” and more about other people’s welfare was one of his important messages. Unfortunately, some Christians construe the welfare part to mean they have to regulate what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, or require non-communicants of their particular sect to follow *their* rules to be considered worthy.

And the worldly possessions are not in play at all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:04:55pm

re: #196 wheat-dogg

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:06:41pm

Cosmopolitan gets dragged by Horse Whisperer and Yashar Ali on Twitter (NSFW behind hide bar)

Click to Reveal
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:08:37pm

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

You are correct. It is not suitable for work.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:09:01pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:09:19pm

re: #185 William Lewis

William, the sad truth is in the Episcopal Seminary that Richard Mellon Scaife established in my home town of Ambridge, PA. The Trinity Episcopal School is churning out Religious Right pastors at an alarming rate to split your denomination apart. There are a significant number of Episcopal churches that have broken away and follow a right wing gay hating archbishop.

Churches are well on their way to self-marginalization. More people everyday realize that religion is an internal experience as each goes their own way.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:16:16pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

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William Lewis  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:17:10pm

re: #201 Joe Bacon 🌹

William, the sad truth is in the Episcopal Seminary that Richard Mellon Scaife established in my home town of Ambridge, PA. The Trinity Episcopal School is churning out Religious Right pastors at an alarming rate to split your denomination apart. There are a significant number of Episcopal churches that have broken away and follow a right wing gay hating archbishop.

Churches are well on their way to self-marginalization. More people everyday realize that religion is an internal experience as each goes their own way.

Shrug. We fight the good fight, as I said above. I helped our parish become, officially, a welcoming parish and we got our nervous, hesitant & even fearful conservative members on board with it too. Our new cantor & his partner came to us because of that and no one has left. Follow the way for real & you’ll know it in your heart.

I also said I think the church as it currently exists is dying. I doubt we are as far apart in these thoughts as you seem to indicate.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:23:45pm

re: #203 William Lewis

Shrug. We fight the good fight, as I said above. I helped our parish become, officially, a welcoming parish and we got our nervous, hesitant & even fearful conservative members on board with it too. Our new cantor & his partner came to us because of that and no one has left. Follow the way for real & you’ll know it in your heart.

I also said I think the church as it currently exists is dying. I doubt we are as far apart in these thoughts as you seem to indicate.

What has been disappointing ot read about is that while secularism grows, the more liberal churches have slowed down and the fundie churches have gone up. I identify as an agnostic but as you know, it’s not as if tenets of Christianity haven’t influenced my philosophy. Love thy neighbor, etc I really think the religious right has poisoned religion for both believers and skeptics alike.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:23:51pm

re: #202 wheat-dogg

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:24:31pm

re: #201 Joe Bacon 🌹

Churches are well on their way to self-marginalization. More people everyday realize that religion is an internal experience as each goes their own way.

That was the message of the Quakers in the 1600s, though they found it beneficial to share those internal experiences in some way.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:26:09pm

To me, I think we all find God in our own way. Whether God is a tangible being, an idea, or something just merely bigger than humanity. I believe our shared humanity and habitation of the planet is what matters most.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:26:25pm

re: #206 wheat-dogg

That was the message of the Quakers in the 1600s, though they found it beneficial to share those internal experiences in some way.

We have one lifelong Quaker in our town. She is a Trumper.

It’s amazing what you can justify by faith.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:26:51pm

re: #203 William Lewis

Bringing back memories of hearing Carl McIntyre who was one of the founders of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church that broke away in the 1930s saying that the denomination was too liberal. Then McIntyre broke away from the OPC led by J Gresham Machen, alleging that Machen was a godless Marxist.

McIntyre’s Bible Presbyterian Church was openly involved with the John Birchers. McIntyre would get on the radio and recite Bircher bullshit every Friday on Pittsburgh radio. Still remember his attacking Gene Roddenberry’s “godless” Star Trek. He really went on a tear with the Landrew episode. It if you look at it, McIntyre was the Landrew in his cult…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:28:33pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹

We have one lifelong Quaker in our town. She is a Trumper.

It’s amazing what you can justify by faith.

My father’s mother belonged to a Quaker church. The building is still original to the town in which it resides, built in the early 1800’s. Last time I was there was for her funeral. You know where my family stands, and let there be no doubt that the apple does not fall far from the tree in that regard.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:30:33pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The letter to Mueller from Trump’s lawyers is really disturbing and ominous. It reads like the beginning of the end of American democracy.

Fortunately, we have the checks and balances of the three branches of government.

Oh gawd, we are so fucked. See you in jail, everybody! Save the last bologna sandwich for me!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:31:04pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹

We have one lifelong Quaker in our town. She is a Trumper.

It’s amazing what you can justify by faith.

I have a significant number of right wing Christians in my office who truly worship the ground Trump walks on. When Obama was in office, they sure loved to talk about the Birther shit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:31:20pm

re: #210 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My father’s mother belonged to a Quaker church. The building is still original to the town in which it resides, built in the early 1800’s. Last time I was there was for her funeral. You know where my family stands, and let there be no doubt that the apple does not fall far from the tree in that regard.

Nixon was a Quaker. I think the thing really is ultimately individuals. A lot of my philosophy is indirectly inspired by the liberal Catholic brand that my grandparents practiced for much of their lives. Seen Catholics that speak my language and atheists don’t. I’m agnostic because frankly I don’t know what’s out there beyond us and I don’t know if there is a God, to me the most important thing is making life worth living and then leaving a positive legacy for our descendants.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:31:45pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹

We have one lifelong Quaker in our town. She is a Trumper.

It’s amazing what you can justify by faith.

Which branch? Does her meeting have a pastor? The Friends divided along doctrinal lines back in the 1800s. The Hicksite Friends, who today are largely fairly liberal, retained the worship mode of the original Friends — no pastors and mostly silent worship. That’s the branch I once belonged to. Following the Great Awakening, the Quakers in the western states and territories adopted pastoral worship and programmed worship services. Pretty generic Protestant worship, IOW. Friends in the programmed tradition tend to be more conservative socially and politically. Nixon came out of that tradition, IIRC.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:34:00pm

Meanwhile, more in Trump gang corruption:

Coal billionaire and EPA chief Scott Pruitt share cosy ties

It was one of the biggest games of the University of Kentucky basketball season, and Scott Pruitt had scored two of the best seats in the arena: a few feet from the action, in a section reserved for season-ticket holders who had donated at least $1 million (U.S.) to the university.

The special access for Pruitt, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, also included watching from the players’ entrance as the team streamed onto the court, and posing for a photo with a star player in the locker room area.

But there was more to the game in December than a superfan experience for Pruitt and his son, who joined him. They sat in seats belonging to Joseph W. Craft III, a billionaire coal executive who has engaged in an aggressive campaign to reverse the Obama administration’s environmental crackdown on the coal industry. Craft and his wife donated more than $2 million to support U.S. President Donald Trump’s candidacy and inauguration.

Pruitt’s attendance at the game, the details of which have not been previously reported, followed a year of regulatory victories for Craft, who maintains close ties to Pruitt even as he has lobbied the EPA on issues important to his company, Alliance Resource Partners. And unlike other executives with whom Pruitt is known to have close ties — like oilman Harold Hamm or coal mogul Robert E. Murray — Craft has stayed relatively under the radar.

[…]

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:36:18pm

Also in Pruitt scam:

New Emails Show EPA Scheming With Climate Change Deniers

Officials at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have been quietly working with climate change deniers at a conservative think tank to discredit climate science, according to a slew of newly released emails.

The emails, which were unveiled as part of a lawsuit filed by the Southern Environmental Law Center (SELC) and Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), reveal a new level of coordination between Scott Pruitt’s EPA and the Heartland Institute, a fossil fuel-funded think tank that has spent years manufacturing an alternative body of pseudoscientific research meant to call into question mainstream climate science.

[…]

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:36:28pm

And now, your moment of Italian sc-fi schlock:

Battle of the Worlds (1961), directed by Antonio Margheriti
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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:37:44pm

re: #217 De Kolta Chair

One world believed in pineapple on pizza. The other did not. Conflict was inevitable.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:40:56pm

re: #214 wheat-dogg

Which branch? Does her meeting have a pastor? The Friends divided along doctrinal lines back in the 1800s. The Hicksite Friends, who today are largely fairly liberal, retained the worship mode of the original Friends — no pastors and mostly silent worship. That’s the branch I once belonged to. Following the Great Awakening, the Quakers in the western states and territories adopted pastoral worship and programmed worship services. Pretty generic Protestant worship, IOW. Friends in the programmed tradition tend to be more conservative socially and politically. Nixon came out of that tradition, IIRC.

Nixon is interesting. I read that one of his older cousins said she was inspired to become a socialist because of the way Nixon’s father read the Gospels. As I said, I really believe we all come to our own way.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:42:35pm

re: #218 wheat-dogg

One world believed in pineapple on pizza. The other did not. Conflict was inevitable.

Fortunately for the universe, the always underrated Richard Jaeckel is on the case!

The Green Slime (1968) Japanese Theatrical Trailer 1

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stpaulbear  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:43:47pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

To me, I think we all find God in our own way. Whether God is a tangible being, an idea, or something just merely bigger than humanity. I believe our shared humanity and habitation of the planet is what matters most.

There are also those of us who don’t believe in god. It’s possible to marvel at the wonder of the universe without feeling any need to attribute it to a higher force.

It’s also quite possible to believe in and want to live your life by the golden rule without believing that there’s something that’s going to reward you for it when you die.

This is just my opinion, and I’m not going to add anything else. This thread has spent enough time talking about religion. I hope I get dead-threaded with this comment.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:44:00pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Nixon is interesting. I read that one of his older cousins said she was inspired to become a socialist because of the way Nixon’s father read the Gospels. As I said, I really believe we all come to our own way.

Nixon and I are very distant cousins. Great-great-great-grandfather Wheat-dogg married into a Quaker family. One of Nixon’s ancestors came from the same family.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:44:25pm

re: #220 De Kolta Chair

Fortunately for the universe, Richard Jaeckel is on the case!

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Written by Bill Finger, the co-creator Of Batman!!!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:46:04pm

re: #214 wheat-dogg

Which branch? Does her meeting have a pastor? The Friends divided along doctrinal lines back in the 1800s. The Hicksite Friends, who today are largely fairly liberal, retained the worship mode of the original Friends — no pastors and mostly silent worship. That’s the branch I once belonged to. Following the Great Awakening, the Quakers in the western states and territories adopted pastoral worship and programmed worship services. Pretty generic Protestant worship, IOW. Friends in the programmed tradition tend to be more conservative socially and politically. Nixon came out of that tradition, IIRC.

I don’t know anything about her meetings, or if she even attends them.

According to the FGC Conference Website, there are no meetings within two hundred miles of here. I have no idea who the FGC aligns with.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:47:22pm

re: #222 wheat-dogg

Nixon and I are very distant cousins. Great-great-great-grandfather Wheat-dogg married into a Quaker family. One of Nixon’s ancestors came from the same family.

My sympathies. But I probably have one worse. I’m probably a distant relative of Lord Haw Haw Joyce. Second Great Grandfather HW on the Irish Side was even named William Joyce.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:47:25pm

re: #221 stpaulbear

There are also those of us who don’t believe in god. It’s possible to marvel at the wonder of the universe without feeling any need to attribute it to a higher force.

It’s also quite possible to believe in and want to live your life by the golden rule without believing that there’s something that’s going to reward you for it when you die.

This is just my opinion, and I’m not going to add anything else. This thread has spent enough time talking about religion. I hope I get dead-threaded with this comment.

Sorry, my friend, this is the overnight thread for tonight. Charles is probably indulging in some gnarly waves or other such tomfoolery.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:48:06pm

re: #206 wheat-dogg

That was the message of the Quakers in the 1600s, though they found it beneficial to share those internal experiences in some way.

They don’t run down the street “Naked before the Lord” any more, though.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:50:13pm

re: #223 Joe Bacon 🌹

Holy shit, Batman, that’s Patton Oswalt-level great trivia! ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:50:28pm

re: #221 stpaulbear

There are also those of us who don’t believe in god. It’s possible to marvel at the wonder of the universe without feeling any need to attribute it to a higher force.

It’s also quite possible to believe in and want to live your life by the golden rule without believing that there’s something that’s going to reward you for it when you die.

This is just my opinion, and I’m not going to add anything else. This thread has spent enough time talking about religion. I hope I get dead-threaded with this comment.

That too. I’m just saying everyone finds peace with or without God and I don’t think anyless or more of someone based on what they believe, I do it based on how they put their principles to practice. There are many atheists with much stronger moral codes than believers and it’s because of how they live their lives.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:51:20pm

I’ve decided I really fucking hate Scott Pruitt.

In other news, the original LOTR trilogy is now on Hulu. Score!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:53:01pm

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve decided I really fucking hate Scott Pruitt.

In other news, the original LOTR trilogy is now on Hulu. Score!

Prutit may be the most destable member of the entire admin after Trump and man that’s saying something.*
* In befoer someone reminds me I’m wrong.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:53:19pm

re: #222 wheat-dogg

Nixon and I are very distant cousins. Great-great-great-grandfather Wheat-dogg married into a Quaker family. One of Nixon’s ancestors came from the same family.

Well, you turned out okay apparently. /s

As far as I know, I am related to no one important in history ever.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:54:30pm

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve decided I really fucking hate Scott Pruitt.

In other news, the original LOTR trilogy is now on Hulu. Score!

Need to schedule a binge-watch on my wife’s computer … .

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:55:36pm

re: #233 Anymouse 🌹

Need to schedule a binge-watch on my wife’s computer … .

Mrs. Fish and I have most of all 3 extended editions memorized. Did I mention I love having a nerdwife who is into the same fandoms I am?

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retired cynic  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:55:40pm

re: #233 Anymouse 🌹

Need to schedule a binge-watch on my wife’s computer … .

I have all of them in the Blu-Ray extended editions, with all of the hours of “how to” in addition. I binge-watch them every so often!

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:57:00pm

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know anything about her meetings, or if she even attends them.

According to the FGC Conference Website, there are no meetings within two hundred miles of here. I have no idea who the FGC aligns with.

FGC is Hicksite, and their meetings tend to be in cities and college towns. Probably she’s affiliated with Friends United Meeting or Conservative Friends.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:58:06pm

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹

Well, you turned out okay apparently. /s

As far as I know, I am related to no one important in history ever.

I’ve got two that I know for sure.
Frank Perry, the director of Mommie Dearest, the Joan Crawford movie. His niece is Katy Perry but I’m not related to Katy since Frank and Katy’s mother had different mothers and it’s Frank’s mother who was my grandmother’s second cousin.

Michael Strank: The Iwo Jima flagraiser. Mom’s mother’s grandmother and his grandfather were sibs in Slovakia.

I do claim to be related to Graniah O’Malley, a contempoary of Elizabeth I and a pretty kickass lady and Father John O’Malley, who coined the word Boycott and that one I actually do believe is legit since Father O’Malley was from the same village as my third great grandmother but Irish records are toughies.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 6:59:38pm

re: #227 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They don’t run down the street “Naked before the Lord” any more, though.

That was just one guy, and he took the “personal experience” a bit too far. He pretty much convinced George Fox that letting people worship individually without some kind of counseling (clearness, in the Friendly sense of the word) would lead to extremist behavior.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:00:04pm

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve decided I really fucking hate Scott Pruitt.

In other news, the original LOTR trilogy is now on Hulu. Score!

Like life, politics is irrelevant. ‘Tis all ‘bout money. For instance, if I was super-rich, or even the poorest Koch bro, I would be so licking Scott Pruitt’s nads right now, knowing with all certainty that Pruitt’s immediate money shot will be my bazillion shot.

And money shots are what have made this country prosper. This has been a message from the Junior Jaycees, defending capitalism since 4500 BC.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:01:11pm

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹

Well, you turned out okay apparently. /s

As far as I know, I am related to no one important in history ever.

If you have any French or German roots, there’s a good chance you’re related to Charlemagne. He got around, apparently.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:02:00pm

Side-tracking the entire conversation, has any show tune made the Billboard Top 40 since “One Night in Bangkok” by Murray Head?

(5:47, original version)

MURRAY HEAD - One night in Bangkok (Long 12” Version Video Clip)

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stpaulbear  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:02:18pm

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve decided I really fucking hate Scott Pruitt.

In other news, the original LOTR trilogy is now on Hulu. Score!

I’ve taken to calling my senators and legislator about 3-4 time a month. Last call was friday regarding Puerto Rico, Trumps ego driven trade war threats, and separating families. I also always ask why Scott Pruitt hasn’t been removed from office yet. He’s got to go.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:02:21pm

re: #240 wheat-dogg

If you have any French or German roots, there’s a good chance you’re related to Charlemagne. He got around, apparently.

My mother’s mother was related to a Hessian who came over with the Revolutionary War contingent and decided to stay for whatever reason. For my part, I’m just impressed he managed to survive.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:02:25pm

re: #240 wheat-dogg

If you have any French or German roots, there’s a good chance you’re related to Charlemagne. He got around, apparently.

I’ve been bugging that bastard for the child support for centuries now, man. He never goddamn calls back. Just says “Sorry kiddo, got millions of others, I’ll take you to a jousting match one of these days, I promise!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:03:38pm

re: #243 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My mother’s mother was related to a Hessian who came over with the Revolutionary War contingent and decided to stay for whatever reason. For my part, I’m just impressed he managed to survive.

I’m Hessian too. Was mildly disappointed since I wanted something more “fun” like Bavarian. But hey I embrace it. I traded in my lederhosen for a frankfurter.

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:03:56pm

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve decided I really fucking hate Scott Pruitt.

In other news, the original LOTR trilogy is now on Hulu. Score!

Pruitt is a snout in the slop up to his ears pig

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:04:33pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I’m Hessian too. Was mildly disappointed since I wanted something more “fun” like Bavarian. But hey I embrace it. I traded in my lederhosen for a frankfurter.

It’s the only German line in my family (and it explains so much about my grandmother!). Pretty much the entirety of the rest of my lineage is Irish or Scottish all the way back.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:04:36pm
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Citizen K  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:06:18pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

I guess we can look forward to being on the outside looking in on the new G6?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:06:24pm

I just wanted to add that the I traded my lederhosen in for a kilt commercial is dumb. The weird thing about that commercial is I wonder why he thought he was German all those years and then shocked when he found out he was Scottish. Like I admit differing some ethnic names is a little hard but pretty easy to tell the difference between German and Scottish, no? Anyhow, I didn’t change any of my practices when I got my DNA results, I did find myself more willing to drink Bushmills than I had in the past after finding my Ulster roots but that’s because varying your whiskey is just smart.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:07:08pm

re: #242 stpaulbear

My representative still has me on “block before answering.” (He is on record saying he doesn’t represent Democrats.) Pruitt isn’t the only one who needs to go. I would like to think Adrian Smith actually having to defend his seat in this election might cause him to get ousted, especially since Paul Theobald is running on both Democratic proposals and how Republicans are screwing up farming and ranching here.

We’ll have to see if the local conservative media gives Mr. Theobald any air in the press.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:07:47pm

re: #247 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s the only German line in my family (and it explains so much about my grandmother!). Pretty much the entirety of the rest of my lineage is Irish or Scottish all the way back.

I’ve been finding out that my German side is very artistic. Seems it was that way even with the forefathers, second great grandfather was involved in some German singers group and two of his grandsons- my grandfather and his brother both acted in school, even heard my Uncle had acting aspirations had he not gone into law.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:08:19pm

re: #249 Citizen K

I guess we can look forward to being on the outside looking in on the new G6?

Like a G6?

Far East Movement - Like A G6 ft. The Cataracs, DEV

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Dave In Austin  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:08:46pm

Good Matt Chapman Thread:

Believe it or not, Trump’s insane proclamation that he will keep tariffs in place until there are no more Mercedes on Fifth Avenue gave me a moment of clarity.

I think I finally understand Trump’s economic philosophy now. And we are absolutely screwed.
The one thing that you need to understand about Trump is that he is, at his core, a con man with no empathy.

Therefore, he assumes that all other people are also con men with no empathy, and every exchange of goods and services that exists in the world is, on some level, a con.

……..

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:09:02pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

I never understood modifying your behavior to fit your biological lineage. I don’t care if a blood test tomorrow showed that I am 100% Chinese; I identify as a Scottish-Irish American from Revolutionary stock, and I intend to keep drinking whiskey and playing the goddamn bagpipes until I’m dead and gone. It’s my identity, regardless of what my actual bloodline may be. It works for gender identity, why not for historical nationality?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:12:04pm

re: #255 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I never understood modifying your behavior to fit your biological lineage. I don’t care if a blood test tomorrow showed that I am 100% Chinese; I identify as a Scottish-Irish American from Revolutionary stock, and I intend to keep drinking whiskey and playing the goddamn bagpipes until I’m dead and gone. It’s my identity, regardless of what my actual bloodline may be. It works for gender identity, why not for historical nationality?

There was a neat story about a woman. She tested herself and found out she was half Jewish. She had no idea. Eventually she found out her father was swapped out at birth, so thus a Jewish-American was raised Irish-Catholic and an Irish-Catholci was raised Jewish. They both embraced their heritage. On a much more darker story, I’ve read about two twins where one was raised a Nazi and the other Jewish. I do identify with my culture but I wouldn’t stop changing what I’ve eaten, my personality, if my results changed. I’m going to eat pierogis, listen to trad Irish music, and down German beer. I do think I have some what are regarded as Irish traits though. Love to tell a story.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:12:21pm

Note that the AncestryDNA commercial with the guy in the lederhosen/kilt had a backstory where the traditional genealogy came into play also.

People selectively identify with this or that group.

All across America, there are “Sons of _____” and “Daughters of ______” groups, for all sorts of ancestral origins.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:13:31pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

My father, my father’s father, and generations back have the infamous Irish hot temper. I have the same. Whatever else betide (and my wife loves to say I am “French” because apparently my Scottish ancestors came from a town in France during the period when France and Scotland were allies), there’s no denying that part of my heritage.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:13:50pm

re: #249 Citizen K

I guess we can look forward to being on the outside looking in on the new G6?

The way our President is acting we fucking deserve it.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:14:44pm

Lars Kenseth

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:15:31pm

re: #258 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

My father, my father’s father, and generations back have the infamous Irish hot temper. I have the same. Whatever else betide (and my wife loves to say I am “French” because apparently my Scottish ancestors came from a town in France during the period when France and Scotland were allies), there’s no denying that part of my heritage.

If a kitten is born in an oven is it a loaf of bread? :) I have an ancestor whose parents who were Irish immigrants to Scotland and she spent her early years in Scotland and I imagine had a Scottish accent but she was arguably Irish in customs. And yes I too have the Irish temper.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:15:46pm

Just for reference ya know…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:17:07pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

If a kitten is born in an oven is it a loaf of bread? :) I have an ancestor whose parents who were Irish immigrants to Scotland and she spent her early years in Scotland and I imagine had a Scottish accent but she was arguably Irish in customs. And yes I too have the Irish temper.

Well, it’s obviously apparent that most people who lay claim to a specific national identity from western Europe probably share a heritage with just about every country in that region. Hell, there’s probably even some Spanish mingled in there that I don’t have any visibility into. As much as they warred with each other, they also got it on with each other.

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:17:11pm

re: #254 Dave In Austin

Good Matt Chapman Thread:

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whatever benefits him or family
it’s no more complicated than that

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:17:18pm

re: #262 JordanRules

Just for reference ya know…

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That’s pretty much every Republican SEnator who was in office in 1998. Hypocirtes the whole bloody lot of em.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:19:05pm

re: #263 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, it’s obviously apparent that most people who lay claim to a specific national identity from western Europe probably share a heritage with just about every country in that region. Hell, there’s probably even some Spanish mingled in there that I don’t have any visibility into. As much as they warred with each other, they also got it on with each other.

Yeah I did have trace amounts of Iberian in me. It just goes to show you why racial superiority is foolish. I mean don’t get me wrong. People should be proud of cultures but when it’s “I’m German and you’re not, fuck you, you’re inferior”, that’s where we have problems. I myself find myself proud of my own unique identity contributed to by thousands of unique different people along the way.

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:20:00pm

re: #255 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I never understood modifying your behavior to fit your biological lineage. I don’t care if a blood test tomorrow showed that I am 100% Chinese; I identify as a Scottish-Irish American from Revolutionary stock, and I intend to keep drinking whiskey and playing the goddamn bagpipes until I’m dead and gone. It’s my identity, regardless of what my actual bloodline may be. It works for gender identity, why not for historical nationality?

culture is where and how you live
not where or how your supposed ancestors lived

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:20:40pm

I will tell you guys this though. The exact science of ethnicity has a long way to go in how we understand it but thoes tests are wonderful at finding cousins. Too many people think they just do the DNA test and that’s it.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:20:55pm

Jeremy Nguyen

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:21:33pm

re: #267 dangerman

culture is where and how you live
not where or how your supposed ancestors lived

You do have to admit though, it is pretty funny that I called my grandmother, Baba without knowing the Slavic origins of the word. I was the first grandchild so I wasn’t copyign anyone either. I haven’t called her Baba in like 30 years now though.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:22:45pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Yeah I did have trace amounts of Iberian in me. It just goes to show you why racial superiority is foolish. I mean don’t get me wrong. People should be proud of cultures but when it’s “I’m German and you’re not, fuck you, you’re inferior”, that’s where we have problems. I myself find myself proud of my own unique identity contributed to by thousands of unique different people along the way.

That’s how I feel. Yeah, I identify as Scottish-Irish and I’m damn proud of it - but there’s nothing inherently better about me because I have strong Celtic roots. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. For that matter, my ancestors were probably strongly persecuted in the post-Revolutionary War era (despite being from a family of war heroes), hence the eventual migration to fish country.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:24:10pm

re: #269 De Kolta Chair

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The peeps on our right look like they already indugled. On the left, they look like they are excited to get a taste.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:24:17pm

re: #267 dangerman

culture is where and how you live
not where or how your supposed ancestors lived

The various Germanic tribes that moved into Roman-held territories mingled with the largely Celtic locals and Romans, too, of course. The Vikings traveled widely and occupied some places for years. Then, we have the Huns and the Moors. Talking about “pure” European blood is ridiculous, just from that perspective. Add migration to the discussion, and referring to yourself as French or German or whatev loses all meaning.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:25:16pm

re: #273 wheat-dogg

The various Germanic tribes that moved into Roman-held territories mingled with the largely Celtic locals and Romans, too, of course. The Vikings traveled widely and occupied some places for years. Then, we have the Huns and the Moors. Talking about “pure” European blood is ridiculous, just from that perspective. Add migration to the discussion, and referring to yourself as French or German or whatev loses all meaning.

Mrs. Fish refers to herself as “largely Scandinavian” for that reason. Yeah, her mom can mostly trace her lineage to royal Swedish and Danish lines, but they all interbred so much that it’s effectively all the same thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:25:37pm

re: #271 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s how I feel. Yeah, I identify as Scottish-Irish and I’m damn proud of it - but there’s nothing inherently better about me because I have strong Celtic roots. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. For that matter, my ancestors were probably strongly persecuted in the post-Revolutionary War era (despite being from a family of war heroes), hence the eventual migration to fish country.

Right. Like I do enjoy the things that make my culture unique: I do enjoy the foods, music, etc but I’m never going to go “Hey you suck because you’re not like me.” No such thing as something fully pure and even if there was, that would suck. It really would.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:29:05pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Another aspect of that: I’ve mentioned before that all major branches of my family were here in colonial America, pre-Revolution. My family is what you would call “old blood”. But that doesn’t make me one iota better of a person or an American than Mrs. Fish, whose great-grandparents were Scandinavian immigrants who arrived in the wild north country in a time of chaos (they were fighting the Indian wars whilst scraping together a contingent of soldiers to send off to the American Fucking Civil War). Coming to America is supposed to be the great equalizer, where we’re all on a level playing field and it doesn’t matter how long your family’s been here or from whom they are descended. Trump and his fucking toadies are trying their level best to undermine that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:29:20pm

The interesting thing is let’s say about 200 years ago, your ancestors were all the same ethnicity. Then eventually they marry into another ethnicity or religion perhaps.

In three generations, we’ve gone from being predominately German Lutheran. on my given surname’s side.

Then Great Grandfather married a Catholic who was of German stock but you know that probably bothered some old timers.

Then my Grandfather married an Irish-American Catholic whose family was less well off socially.

Then my Dad married my Eastern European Mom.

And now my brother’s married to a Peruvian immigrant. Who knows who my descendatns will meet and fall in love with. I personally love that my niece can easily count to ten in both English and Spanish without thinking about it.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:30:33pm

Meanwhile, in the alley behind Paul Manafort’s co-op…

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retired cynic  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:30:52pm

re: #274 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mrs. Fish refers to herself as “largely Scandinavian” for that reason. Yeah, her mom can mostly trace her lineage to royal Swedish and Danish lines, but they all interbred so much that it’s effectively all the same thing.

I wonder if her mother is related to the father of my mother-in-law. There are a pile of ribbons and medals from the Swedish and Danish governments: when my husband died, I gave them all to a second cousin of his who was really interested in the family history.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:32:20pm

re: #276 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Another aspect of that: I’ve mentioned before that all major branches of my family were here in colonial America, pre-Revolution. My family is what you would call “old blood”. But that doesn’t make me one iota better of a person or an American than Mrs. Fish, whose great-grandparents were Scandinavian immigrants who arrived in the wild north country in a time of chaos (they were fighting the Indian wars whilst scraping together a contingent of soldiers to send off to the American Fucking Civil War). Coming to America is supposed to be the great equalizer, where we’re all on a level playing field and it doesn’t matter how long your family’s been here or from whom they are descended. Trump and his fucking toadies are trying their level best to undermine that.

I like this line from The Killer Angels: What I’m fighting for is the right to prove I’m a better man than many. Where have you seen this divine spark in operation, Colonel? Where have you noted this magnificent equality? The Great White Joker in the Sky dooms us all to stupidity or poverty from birth. No two things on earth are equal or have an equal chance, not a leaf nor a tree. There’s many a man worse than me, and some better, but I don’t think race or country matters a damn. What matters is justice. ‘Tis why I’m here. I’ll be treated as I deserve, not as my father deserved. I’m Kilrain, and I God damn all gentlemen. I don’t know who me father was and I don’t give a damn.

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:34:51pm

re: #273 wheat-dogg

The various Germanic tribes that moved into Roman-held territories mingled with the largely Celtic locals and Romans, too, of course. The Vikings traveled widely and occupied some places for years. Then, we have the Huns and the Moors. Talking about “pure” European blood is ridiculous, just from that perspective. Add migration to the discussion, and referring to yourself as French or German or whatev loses all meaning.

add to that the fact that quite a lot of people likely believe that borders are fixed and have always been where they are now

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:35:07pm

re: #63 freetoken

Note the hatred of mandated integration. They’re still fighting the Civil War.

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freetoken  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:36:47pm

re: #282 Patricia Kayden

Note the hatred of mandated integration. They’re still fighting the Civil War.

Yup.

The atavists want to go back to segregated schools.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:37:28pm

re: #283 freetoken

Yup.

The atavists want to go back to segregated schools.

I am reminded of November 2016, when one of my wingnut friends was asked when America was last great: “Late ‘40’s or early ‘50’s.” That’s telling, right there, is what that is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:38:16pm

re: #281 dangerman

add to that the fact that quite a lot of people likely believe that borders are fixed and have always been where they are now

For a lot of people where my great grandfather was born.
Born into Austria-Hungarian Empire.
Raised their families in Czechoslovakia
Lived in the puppet Republic of Slovakia during the war.
Then lived in Czechoslovakia again.
And then if they made it far enough, died in indepenent Slovakia.

It would make for a fascinating miniseries for someone who experienced those changes. And I’m descended from a lot of border people and it’s so funny because my family sort of carried it on in to my own lifetime. In fact right now, I’m about 20 minutes from the WV border.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:39:53pm

Gotta remember that the Mongols got around, too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:40:02pm

re: #284 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I am reminded of November 2016, when one of my wingnut friends was asked when America was last great: “Late ‘40’s or early ‘50’s.” That’s telling, right there, is what that is.

It’s telling in a couple ways because of the Jim Crow but also because that was at least for whites perhaps the most economically lefty time. And that unfortunately is what the Sanders fans who hate the “Neo-libs” and venerate FDR ignore. They ignore that the promise of the New Deal was never meant for African-Americans. Don’t get me wrong, the New Deal needed to happen but it would have never happened without refusing to let African-Americans benefit from it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:40:11pm

re: #286 Barefoot Grin

Gotta remember that the Mongols got around, too.

Douglas Adams was keenly aware of that fact.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:40:36pm

GotNews’ last subscriber, the sorry sod:

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:41:01pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Trump must have missed the part where foreign countries retaliate by placing tariffs on American imports. That’s going to damage our economy.

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dangerman  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:41:58pm

re: #284 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I am reminded of November 2016, when one of my wingnut friends was asked when America was last great: “Late ‘40’s or early ‘50’s.” That’s telling, right there, is what that is.

for who? is the question

when we say pledge liberty and justice for all we do mean all, don’t we?

nah.. not really

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:42:19pm

re: #290 Patricia Kayden

Trump must have missed the part where foreign countries retaliate by placing tariffs on American imports. That’s going to damage our economy.

But that’s unfair, and obviously he’s going to work to get rid of those unfair tariffs so that America wins this trade war!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:42:21pm

re: #290 Patricia Kayden

Trump must have missed the part where foreign countries retaliate by placing tariffs on American imports. That’s going to damage our economy.

It certainly will damage our economy and when it does, Trump will predictably scapegoat immigrants and most of his support base will eat it up becaues FNC and their voices sure as hell aren’t going to tell them that Trump fucked up.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:42:52pm

re: #291 dangerman

for who? is the question

when we say pledge liberty and justice for all we do mean all, don’t we?

nah.. not really

Which is why I love your motto. Liberty and Justice for all.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:46:35pm

Both parts of the left and right over fetishize the 1950’s. The right for the era’s values. The left for the policies of the era which honestly is one reason why people drive me nuts who complain the Dems are a “corporate sell out party.” Listen the Dems were definitely to the left economically then but it’s also true that it was a lot easier to be lefty economically when you didn’t have to worry about telling people “Hey those minorities should get the same benefits as you.” That’s why we had the backlash to the Great Society. There were always people who may have principledly opposed the New Deal and Great Society but for many working class whites, they became “anti big government” when right wing populists like Wallace and Nixon began teliing them “Hey you know that your black neighbors are going to get that too” and because of that, we have have many whtie working class stiffs who would probably actually benefit from a more itnerventionalist economy insisting that they don’t need no big government. Bernie Sanders thinks they vote against us because we sold them out but he couldn’t be more wrong.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:48:03pm

A Jim Steranko joint for Charles…

Strange Tales #167, April 1968
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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:48:24pm

The problem to me though is too many people are focused on systems rather than solutions. I see stupid memes disparaging capitalism and socialism both and I find both pretty useless.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:51:38pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

The problem to me though is too many people are focused on systems rather than solutions.

Shades of Rand Corp. and Vietnam.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:53:14pm

re: #298 De Kolta Chair

Shades of Rand Corp. and Vietnam.

Need to read more about that.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:53:22pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:55:22pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

The problem to me though is too many people are focused on systems rather than solutions. I see stupid memes disparaging capitalism and socialism both and I find both pretty useless.

The problem is that they are both useful in separate niches. Capitalism is great in sectors of the economy where competition drives innovation, such as technology. In areas like health care, though, capitalism just ends up being a clusterfuck because principles like “first do no harm” run counter to the core principles of capitalism. Socialized medicine makes far more sense than free-market medicine, but to suggest as much is heresy in the right wing.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:55:24pm

HBO was raising the bar something serious back then.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:56:42pm

re: #301 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The problem is that they are both useful in separate niches. Capitalism is great in sectors of the economy where competition drives innovation, such as technology. In areas like health care, though, capitalism just ends up being a clusterfuck because principles like “first do no harm” run counter to the core principles of capitalism. Socialized medicine makes far more sense than free-market medicine, but to suggest as much is heresy in the right wing.

Exactly!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:57:00pm

re: #300 Dave In Austin

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LMAO

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:57:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:58:04pm

re: #151 Ace Rothstein

Let’s not forget that Melanie is a birther, just like her bloated orange “husband.” I don’t give a rat’s ass where she is.

Amen! I’m puzzled as to what people find so fascinating about a woman who obviously married for money and makes excuses for a horrible man. She has stolen from Mrs. Obama at least twice and claims to care about online bullying while never condemning Trump’s online bullying. She’s ridiculous.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:58:53pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Exactly!

Combining a capitalist import/export economy, or “macro-economy” if you will, and a socialist internal social safety net would really harness the best of both worlds, but the Republicans would never hear it because God forbid that the free market can’t come up with a satisfactory solution to something!

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:58:53pm

re: #290 Patricia Kayden

Trump must have missed the part where foreign countries retaliate by placing tariffs on American imports. That’s going to damage our economy.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:59:36pm

Hottie of the week

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 2, 2018 • 7:59:52pm

re: #184 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We can smell the waffles! We want some!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:00:28pm

re: #308 JordanRules

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Thanks Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:01:22pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Thanks Trump.

Damn good thing I locked my flight to Italy in early.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:01:28pm

re: #307 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Combining a capitalist import/export economy, or “macro-economy” if you will, and a socialist internal social safety net would really harness the best of both worlds, but the Republicans would never hear it because God forbid that the free market can’t come up with a satisfactory solution to something!

The thing they fail to come to terms with is that humans cannot be treated as a component of a capitalist system. It is supposed to make our lives better, not define them.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:03:37pm

re: #313 Belafon

The thing they fail to come to terms with is that humans cannot be treated as a component of a capitalist system. It is supposed to make our lives better, not define them.

Human nature is inherently capitalist; however, humane society is inherently anti-capitalist. The net result is that in order to thrive as a corporate entity, the governance of society must integrate elements of both capitalist and anti-capitalist systems. It’s an impossible problem to solve just on its face, without the complicating factor that some people both on the left and the right seem driven to define the problem as either “full capitalist” or “full socialist” with no in-between.

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Skip Intro  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:04:13pm

re: #312 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Damn good thing I locked my flight to Italy in early.

If anybody there asks, tell them you’re Canadian.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:04:34pm

Story that led to the post is here.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:05:56pm

re: #315 Skip Intro

If anybody there asks, tell them you’re Canadian.

Most of my interactions with locals will probably be along the lines of one of the following three utterances:

“Where’s the bathroom?”
“Where can I buy my wife some coffee?”
“Do you know if there’s a group that’s going to do that Pokemon Go raid?”

I am hopeful that my national identity will remain discreet throughout all three transactions.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:06:06pm

re: #305 JordanRules

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‘Lordy, I hope there are tapes’

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:06:30pm

re: #290 Patricia Kayden

Trump must have missed the part where foreign countries retaliate by placing tariffs on American imports. That’s going to damage our economy.

Won’t damage his overseas investments.

What would be a really balsy move, and probably one other nations need to take, is put sanctions on certain government leaders.

Pull us out of the Paris Climate Accords? Sanctions on the EPA head.
Pull us out of the Iran deal? Sanctions on the Energy Department head.
&c

Plus, the leader of the government who put these grifters in place.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:06:34pm

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump: “Fake news! My family and friends have the best healthcare!!”

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Dave In Austin  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:08:26pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Obviously, you scrolled…….

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meteor  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:09:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:09:28pm

re: #305 JordanRules

I predicted Steve Bannon would want to get his hooks into Voice of America last year. Looks like I was (unfortunately) correct.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:14:01pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Yep. White families benefitted from the New Deal while African Americans were explicitly left out (although Black men fought overseas for this country). Huge sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:14:37pm

re: #324 Patricia Kayden

Yep. White families benefitted from the New Deal while African Americans were explicitly left out (although Black men fought overseas for this country). Huge sigh.

Yep.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:16:04pm

re: #324 Patricia Kayden

Yep. White families benefitted from the New Deal while African Americans were explicitly left out (although Black men fought overseas for this country). Huge sigh.

I actually didn’t know that before tonight. I’m not surprised, but I’m disappointed all the same.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:16:15pm

Interesting speculation thread. I don’t think he would prep with NSC regardless so I’m not inclined to expect that and make that part of the calculation as to whether they are preparing for a big shoe to drop.

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MsJ  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:17:05pm

I applied to a rescue to adopt two cockatiels. Which will be kept in a very large cage, almost exclusively (if not completely). They want to do a home visit. Sam, my 10 year old rescue terrier hates people. He will bite. I have to crate him. This is going to stress him out big time. I don’t understand why they need a house visit. I’m conflicted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:17:21pm

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

Moreover, the 2017 Defense Authorization Act eliminated the Broadcasting Board of Governors’ board, meaning the government’s official organs are now run by only one person.

The schmuck Trump appointed to the position used to work for Deadbart. (Prior to that he was CEO of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.)

Our external radio services will now be an extension of Breitbart.

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:17:25pm

re: #326 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I actually didn’t know that before tonight. I’m not surprised, but I’m disappointed all the same.

It’s part of why The New Deal became viable.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:18:25pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Need to read more about that.

“Soldiers of Reason: The Rand Corporation and the Rise of the American Empire” by Alex Abella is a good start.

My uncle Bob Keirstead, the nicest and sharpest guy you’d ever care to meet, was with the CIA in the early days of ‘Nam. After a couple of years as an “advisor” he flipped them the bird and went on to an illustrious career as a reporter for the Worcester Telegram Gazette. Alas, he never wrote his memoirs, which would have been totally badass not only because of his Vietnam experiences but for so much more. Bob was one of the good guys.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:22:34pm

re: #330 JordanRules

It’s part of why The New Deal became viable.

I saw that comment upthread. Like I said, I learned that tonight, but I’m not surprised. Considering the era that’s under discussion (1940’s-1950’s), it makes sense, as much as I wish America were better back then. It wasn’t, and now, thanks to Trumpism, it’s rapidly receding back to those execrable standards.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:26:09pm

re: #326 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I actually didn’t know that before tonight. I’m not surprised, but I’m disappointed all the same.

It’s the only way FDR was able to pass The New Deal. The Dixiecrats weren’t going for it if black people benefited.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:26:26pm

re: #331 De Kolta Chair

“Soldiers of Reason: The Rand Corporation and the Rise of the American Empire” by Alex Abella is a good start.

My uncle Bob Keirstead, the nicest and sharpest guy you’d ever care to meet, was with the CIA in the early days of ‘Nam. After a couple of years as an “advisor” he flipped them the bird and went on to an illustrious career as a reporter for the Worcester Telegram Gazette. Alas, he never wrote his memoirs, which would have been totally badass.

Thanks

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JordanRules  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:27:15pm

re: #332 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I saw that comment upthread. Like I said, I learned that tonight, but I’m not surprised. Considering the era that’s under discussion (1940’s-1950’s), it makes sense, as much as I wish America were better back then. It wasn’t, and now, thanks to Trumpism, it’s rapidly receding back to those execrable standards.

Ahh, looks like I missed a previous discussion. It’s just something that I definitely like to highlight so the throughline of how we got here doesn’t get completely lost.

I saw the benefits and exclusions of TND on both sides of my family. One side black. One side white.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:29:10pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:30:03pm

re: #335 JordanRules

My (white) family was established in fish country at the outbreak of the American Civil War, so it’s not something that I’ve ever given conscious thought to, but it makes sense when I devote processing power to it. The fact that it took exclusion of African-Americans to pass it never crossed my mind because most of my family history has been focused on the post-Reconstruction era.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:31:43pm

re: #328 MsJ

I just adopted two budgies. No home visit. I have had a home visit for a dog that we ended up not adopting though. The rescue group you’re adopting from must be very picky. Good luck!

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:32:55pm

re: #336 Single-handed sailor

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Toyota pickups are made in San Antonio, probably from Mexican aluminum though.

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MsJ  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:35:43pm

Bill Clinton wrote a mystery novel with James Patterson. It’s coming out soon (or recently did, it’s in my email).

Who knew? And, fascinating.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:36:29pm

re: #339 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Toyota pickups are made in San Antonio, probably from Mexican aluminum though.

Probably Canadian aluminum. U.S. industry buys half of its aluminum from Canada — nearly four times as much as it buys from its own producers.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:36:33pm

re: #340 MsJ

Bill Clinton wrote a mystery novel with James Patterson. It’s coming out soon (or recently did, it’s in my email).

Who knew? And, fascinating.

James Patterson is a good writer. From all non-biased accounts, Bill Clinton is, too. What’s not to love?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:36:54pm

But yeah like Dopefish for the longest time, I never thought about it either. My mom’s family definitely benefited from the New Deal and I still contend the New Deal was of course a good thing but FDR’s legacy on racial matters are why I do a stink eye when people like Bernie and his allies just think economic issues are the only way we’re viable. It ignores so much of what has happened. You can see it in the former USSR that socialism or whatever the hell they wanted to call it didn’t make the USSR a less xenophobic place. I’m not saying I’m against some socialist measures but anyone who thinks socialism will be what cures our divisions in society is foolish. And it’s why Sanders frusrates the shit out of me.

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Belafon  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:36:55pm

re: #326 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I actually didn’t know that before tonight. I’m not surprised, but I’m disappointed all the same.

Look up blacks and the GI Bill after WW2.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:37:31pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

It’s the only way FDR was able to pass The New Deal. The Dixiecrats weren’t going for it if black people benefited.

That is the downside of pragmatism. The only way to get the New Deal was to start by excluding disfavoured groups. Incrementally those groups were included.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:37:52pm

re: #340 MsJ

Bill Clinton wrote a mystery novel with James Patterson. It’s coming out soon (or recently did, it’s in my email).

Who knew? And, fascinating.

Bernie did it?

//

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MsJ  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:38:16pm

re: #342 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

James Patterson is a good writer. From all non-biased accounts, Bill Clinton is, too. What’s not to love?

I’m probably going to buy it. I completely agree with your assessment.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:39:20pm

re: #347 MsJ

I’m probably going to buy it. I completely agree with your assessment.

I should. I need at least one credit card receipt to wave in my parents’ face to prove that I am a no-account wasteful librul millennial who will never amount to anything.////

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teleskiguy  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:39:22pm

All my grandparents grew up during the Great Depression. I only knew two of them (maternal grandmother, paternal grandfather) as their spouses died before I was born.

Most frugal people I’ve ever known.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:39:49pm

re: #344 Belafon

Look up blacks and the GI Bill after WW2.

re: #345 Anymouse 🌹

That is the downside of pragmatism. The only way to get the New Deal was to start by excluding disfavoured groups. Incrementally those groups were included.

It is. And when those groups were later finally included, we saw the backlash to those programs that exists to this day among the people who heavily would benefit from them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:40:33pm

re: #349 teleskiguy

All my grandparents grew up during the Great Depression. I only knew two of them (maternal grandmother, paternal grandfather) as their spouses died before I was born.

Most frugal people I’ve ever known.

Same with my mom’s parents especially. Very frugal. Don’t open a bag of chips with one already open around her.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:41:39pm

re: #349 teleskiguy

All my grandparents grew up during the Great Depression. I only knew two of them (maternal grandmother, paternal grandfather) as their spouses died before I was born.

Most frugal people I’ve ever known.

I feel you there. Both my grandfathers, pillars of the community by all accounts (they lived in the same small Indiana town), died within a year of each other. I only really got to know my grandmothers. They were both incredibly scrupulous as concerns their finances, miserly, cautious. It served them well in the end, but I hated seeing my father’s mother pass away in a blizzard with only her son by her side in the end.

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teleskiguy  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:42:31pm

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Up until about six months before he died, my grandpa changed his own oil on his car (always a Ford Taurus) in his driveway. It was him that taught me how to do that.

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MsJ  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:42:39pm

re: #347 MsJ

I’m probably going to buy it. I completely agree with your assessment.

The Clinton/Patterson novel is called The President Is Missing, in case anyone is interested.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:43:09pm

My mom’s mother is still with us. Knew mom’s father pretty well and my dad’s mother. Did not know Dad’s father who by far grew up the most privileged of the four and was also consequently my only grandparent with a college degree.

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De Kolta Chair  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:44:28pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Mon plaisir.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:45:24pm

I wonder about their own parents. So much has been written about the WWII generation and all that and don’t get me wrong, they’re an extremely important one but I’m interested in my great grandparents generation because they shaped the people my grandparents became and thus my parents. Plus they too were impacted by a WWI and the Depression hit them more than it did their kids.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:46:01pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

My mom’s mother is still with us. Knew her father pretty well and my dad’s mother. Did not know Dad’s father who by far grew up the most privileged of the four and was also consequently my only grandparent with a college degree.

Both my grandfathers passed away before I turned 6 - my mother’s father from pancreatic cancer, my father’s father from emphysema; both caused by smoking aggravated by service in WWII. My grandmothers were the stabilizing force in my family for a generation, and what a force they were. A little old German lady who was a child of the Depression, and a stubborn old Irishwoman who single-handedly ran a small American town when no one competent was available to relieve her. I’m thankful they passed later in life, otherwise central Indiana would have devolved into chaos and destruction.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:49:51pm

re: #354 MsJ

The Clinton/Patterson novel is called The President Is Missing, in case anyone is interested.

I wish it was about the current White House Occupant.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:51:38pm

re: #358 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Both my grandfathers passed away before I turned 6 - my mother’s father from pancreatic cancer, my father’s father from emphysema; both caused by smoking aggravated by service in WWII. My grandmothers were the stabilizing force in my family for a generation, and what a force they were. A little old German lady who was a child of the Depression, and a stubborn old Irishwoman who single-handedly ran a small American town when no one competent was available to relieve her. I’m thankful they passed later in life, otherwise central Indiana would have devolved into chaos and destruction.

For me, it’s interesting to think of the contrasts between my two grandmothers. Nana lost her mother young, both her parents were American born, she grew up in the city pretty much, and while she helped out my grandfather with his work, she was mostly a housewife. She was by far more nurturing even though she had many other grandchildren and even some great grands beside me. Grandma had both of her parents with her throughout childhood, paernts were immigrants, grew up more rural, and pretty much worked her entire life. And while she’s a loving person, she’s not what you’d call affectionate, like with my Nana, hugs were common. And Grandma, my brothers and I make her only grandchildren. My grandfathers were very different too. I think all four and thus my parents became products of their environments for better or for worse.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:52:23pm

re: #359 Patricia Kayden

I wish it was about the current White House Occupant.

In that one, it’s I wish “The President Turned Himself Into Authorities.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 2, 2018 • 8:55:38pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

I got to know my father’s mother’s mother, the only great-grandparent I knew in person; I fear my children will envy that, since all of their great-grandparents passed years ago (my son was barely 2 years old when my last grandmother passed). My grandmothers lived on opposite sides of the same small American town, so there was no real contrast between them aside from age and lineage. We joked at my father’s mother’s funeral that my mother’s mother, who had passed some 10 years prior, was waiting in heaven and when my father’s mother finally arrived, she was sitting at a table with a jigsaw puzzle, asking, “What took you so damn long?”


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