And Now, a Fantastic Tiny Desk Concert by Tom Misch

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This is the first time I’ve heard Tom Misch’s music, and I’m massively impressed. Great singing, songwriting and playing here, in the stripped-down Tiny Desk setting.

June 1, 2018 | Bobby Carter — I learned a few things while watching Tom Misch perform at the Tiny Desk that should’ve been obvious to a longtime fan like me: He produces beats with a live audience in mind. As much as his drums slap, guitar is the foundation for most of his songs and he showcases a burgeoning talent on the instrument throughout his set.

I first caught wind of this UK wunderkind in 2014. Crafting his own instrumental projects and remixing tracks by artists ranging from Busta Rhymes to Lianne La Havas, Misch steadily garnered a dedicated following on SoundCloud. From there, he collaborated with other London artists and released EPs of original music on the platform. Misch’s style doesn’t revel in what’s going on in pop music today; like a handful of other artists from the UK, his interpretation of hip-hop and R&B is a continuation of what the greats who came before him started. A healthy dose of that inspiration is drawn from the late J. Dilla, while Misch’s up-tempo dance numbers align him with the Kaytranadas of the world. In 2016, Misch — still just 21 years old at the time — decided to dabble more in songwriting and explore that soothing timbre of his voice on Reverie, and all of a sudden, his potential rose exponentially.

Misch and the band arrived bright and early to get situated behind the Tiny Desk and rehearse. Misch has said before that he isn’t a jazz purist intrinsically, but the way he opens up a guitar solo or jams with saxophonist Braxton Cook, jazz music certainly runs through him.

If you haven’t heard of Tom Misch before this performance, now’s a good time to catch up. Check out his breakthrough album, Geography, as well as his earlier collaborations, then come back and watch his Tiny Desk again for a true appreciation of his growth as an artist.

SET LIST
“It Runs Through Me”
“I Wish”
“Movie”

MUSICIANS
Tom Misch (guitar/vocals), Tobias Tripp (guitar/violin/vocals), James Creswick (bass), Jamie Houghton (drums), Joseph Price (keys), Braxton Cook (saxophone)

CREDITS
Producers: Sidney Madden, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, CJ Riculan, Beck Harlan; Production Assistant: Stefanie Fernández; Photo: Claire Harbage/NPR.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2018 • 8:40:17pm

Son of a guy I know from church committed suicide last week. Now the family is running a gofundme to raise money for the funeral.

The guy has sent me three messages today about donating. I hardly knew the kid. Is there a polite way to say “no, thanks” or should I bite the bullet and donate a few dollars?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 3, 2018 • 8:45:48pm

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 3, 2018 • 8:50:17pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2018 • 8:56:44pm

So all of a sudden today I can’t view Twitter videos or .gifs here. I click on them, and eventually I get a blank white square with a “play” button, but it does nothing. If I open the tweet in a separate window I can see it.

I just installed the latest security update for El Capitan last night—I’m assuming that was the cause. Any ideas?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 3, 2018 • 8:56:54pm

re: #3 Ace-o-aces

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 3, 2018 • 8:59:06pm

re: #3 Ace-o-aces

Gov. Mike Huckabee

@GovMikeHuckabee
30 May
Another big story that got drowned out by the Roseanne brouhaha on Tuesday was that Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens resigned. Greitens is a Rhodes Scholar, former Navy SEAL and humanitarian who was named by Fortune as one of the world’s 50 greatest leaders. buff.ly pic.twitter.com

I’m racking my brains — what is his point? ??? that someone who has good press and credentials can turn out to be a total sleazebag??? That can’t be it — is it that the press can force some poor “innocent” to resign from office?? What is the old Huckabee trying to claim?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:04:09pm

re: #4 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So all of a sudden today I can’t view Twitter videos or .gifs here. I click on them, and eventually I get a blank white square with a “play” button, but it does nothing. If I open the tweet in a separate window I can see it.

I just installed the latest security update for El Capitan last night—I’m assuming that was the cause. Any ideas?

I just upgraded to High Sierra 10.3.5 and now there is something going on with Facebook notifications. I keep getting alerts that I need to put my Facebook password in Intenet Accounts and it rejects. I get the Facebook notification but it won’t load the page…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:04:42pm

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

What is the old Huckabee trying to claim?

IOKIYAR!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:05:35pm

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m racking my brains — what is his point? ??? that someone who has good press and credentials can turn out to be a total sleazebag??? That can’t be it — is it that the press can force some poor “innocent” to resign from office?? What is the old Huckabee trying to claim?

Greitens is a Republican. By definition he can do nothing wrong. Any accusations against him constitute a Witch Hunt™. Forcing him to resign amounts to a left-wing coup d’état.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:09:02pm

re: #9 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Greitens is a Republican. By definition he can do nothing wrong. Any accusations against him constitute a Witch Hunt™. Forcing him to resign amounts to a left-wing coup d’état.

No wonder Sarah is so dishonest — she takes after her father.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:26:44pm

re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter

No wonder Sarah is so dishonest — she takes after her father.

Of course, if Greitens hadn’t (quite recently) become a Republican, he would have had to be removed from office and his office cleansed with fire….

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Stanley Sea  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:29:53pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Donate

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meteor  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:36:17pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:49:18pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 3, 2018 • 9:53:23pm
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BigPapa  Jun 3, 2018 • 10:19:52pm

re: #15 Single-handed sailor

That’s super depressing. I’ve had a few zen moments over the last few years and many of them were at Kaphoho.

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teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2018 • 10:39:37pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2018 • 11:21:17pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 3, 2018 • 11:31:34pm
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sagehen  Jun 3, 2018 • 11:55:48pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 3, 2018 • 11:56:24pm

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sagehen  Jun 4, 2018 • 12:00:06am

BTW, I wasn’t around to ask the other night…

Of the people who watch(ed) The Americans… did you find the finale satisfying? I have many thoughts about it; many, many thoughts. Contradictory thoughts. It’s disquieting.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 4, 2018 • 12:00:40am

re: #20 sagehen

claycord.com

I don’t think they like being hit by the whole world with traffic on their server so I made it hidden.

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Lupin  Jun 4, 2018 • 12:25:08am

re: #22 sagehen

My thought was that one of the points was that they fought for nothing. At the end, Russia is turning into the very thing they fought against.

Actually we could say the same about the US. With Trump and Axis America on the rise, all of our FBI and CIA agents must realize that they too fought for nothing all those years. We too are turning into our opposite, joining hands with Russia in a klepto-democrature.

Maybe that was the point the writers were making. If so it is bleak indeed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 12:35:42am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Son of a guy I know from church committed suicide last week. Now the family is running a gofundme to raise money for the funeral.

The guy has sent me three messages today about donating. I hardly knew the kid. Is there a polite way to say “no, thanks” or should I bite the bullet and donate a few dollars?

You are not obligated to send money to people you hardly know, and sending three messages in one day is awfully spammy. You are not obligated to RSVP any request for money from anyone.

Funerals are for the living. If you are friends of the family (not the deceased), then you might feel motivated to send money. You are still not obligated to RSVP why you did not (and frankly, if a friendship hangs on whether or not you pony up money then it’s not much of a friendship).

[Living in poverty myself for a very long time, it would be an endless parade of explanations if I RSVPed every request for money. Even if I cared deeply about the person and couldn’t donate, even if I was very rich, I am under no obligation to give someone money just because they asked for it, even if it is for a good cause.]

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 12:42:35am

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m racking my brains — what is his point? ??? that someone who has good press and credentials can turn out to be a total sleazebag??? That can’t be it — is it that the press can force some poor “innocent” to resign from office?? What is the old Huckabee trying to claim?

Party is more important than kidnapping and extortion.

Huckabee also plagiarised the first line of a Forbes article for that (leaving out their descriptor of “boxer”).

That article is also four years old.

I recently spoke to Eric Greitens, who is a Navy SEAL, Rhodes Scholar, boxing champion, and humanitarian leader.

forbes.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 12:59:33am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 1:07:16am

Hit the klaxon. The military to take up vetting security clearances for civilian officials.

This upends the intent of a military subservient to the civilian government.

apnews.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Defense Department is poised to take over background investigations for the federal government, using increased automation and high-tech analysis to tighten controls and tackle an enormous backlog of workers waiting for security clearances, according to U.S. officials. (more)

The reason given is the Fort Hood shooter, Edward Snowden, and a large backlog of clearances including Jared Kushner.

This is way beyond normal and reaches into military dictatorship territory. It also burdens the military.

The correct solution is to hire more civilian personnel who normally do security clearance checks on civilians.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 4, 2018 • 1:09:13am

LOL, it was hot today so windows are open at night. There is a mockingbird, my wife just screamed at it to shut up. It’s quiet now.

well, it was quiet for about 5 minutes.

Apocalypse Now; the Do Long Bridge Roach Scene

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 4, 2018 • 1:23:17am

Bill Bramhall in New York Daily News:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 1:29:46am

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Bill Bramhall in New York Daily News:

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Focus on her grandmother in jail, anyway. Funny how prison reform was never on Kim Kardashian’s radar until she thought she could manipulate Pumpkin Pinochet.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 4, 2018 • 1:46:25am

Donald Trump wishes he had Jonathan Frid’s hands.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 4, 2018 • 1:47:51am

Early risers:

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 4, 2018 • 2:35:21am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 4, 2018 • 2:56:37am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 2:58:39am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Son of a guy I know from church committed suicide last week. Now the family is running a gofundme to raise money for the funeral.

The guy has sent me three messages today about donating. I hardly knew the kid. Is there a polite way to say “no, thanks” or should I bite the bullet and donate a few dollars?

Chipping in a few bucks would be the decent thing to do.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:00:04am

re: #15 Single-handed sailor

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You know how they say to invest in real estate because they aren’t making more of it? In Hawaii they do.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:04:23am

re: #22 sagehen

BTW, I wasn’t around to ask the other night…

Of the people who watch(ed) The Americans… did you find the finale satisfying? I have many thoughts about it; many, many thoughts. Contradictory thoughts. It’s disquieting.

Yes, it was perfect.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:14:11am

Historical markers commemorating LGBTQ history were unveiled in Lexington Kentucky. The Kentucky Supreme Court held that the criminal anti-sodomy laws violated the Kentucky Constitution in 1992, years before SCOTUS struck them down nationally.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:23:01am

doh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:25:57am

:D

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:33:45am

i. am. dying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:35:47am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:35:58am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

doh…

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They’ll have someone to trash Mueller and the investigation shortly.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:37:32am

re: #3 Ace-o-aces

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Yes, Mike, we get it, someone can abuse women as long as they’re in your party. Being a Navy SEAL has nothing to do with how he treats women.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:40:26am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

If you can afford to chip in $10 or some other nominal amount, then you can do so. If not, just politely state so.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:45:54am

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Bill Bramhall in New York Daily News:

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Nothing came out of that meeting. Trump failed to pardon either of the Black prisoners Kim specifically spoke with him about. Instead, he pardoned D’Souza.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:46:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 3:48:55am

re: #48 Patricia Kayden

Nothing came out of that meeting. Trump failed to pardon either of the Black prisoners Kim specifically spoke with him about. Instead, he pardoned D’Souza.

He also hasn’t indicated he intends to do anything about criminal justice disparities.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 4:03:40am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

He also hasn’t indicated he intends to do anything about criminal justice disparities.

He too busy dodging the criminal justice system.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 4, 2018 • 4:04:32am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Exactly. That meeting was a waste of time. I assume Trump was eager to meet with her because her husband has publicly praised him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 4:05:44am

re: #52 Patricia Kayden

Exactly. That meeting was a waste of time. I assume Trump was eager to meet with her because her husband has publicly praised him.

That’s the only reason. If it had been Beyoncé but then again Beyoncé would know Trump isn’t serious about this or really any issue.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 4:05:57am

re: #51 wheat-dogg

He too busy dodging the criminal justice system.

Yep

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 4, 2018 • 4:09:01am

I guess this is a thing now.

Police have identified the woman as Amanda Hanover, 38, who had last been seen by her step-sister in California in March. Hanover was originally reported as missing from Gilbert, Arizona. After she went missing, her vehicle was eventually located abandoned on the campus of the University of Calgary in the middle of April.

Police said they were able to eventually identify Hanover by investigating several clues found on her. She had two Amtrak train tickets in the name of an unknown male subject and a Post-it note with three phone numbers written on it.

Missing skier from Whiteface Mountain NY found in California.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 4:58:09am

moron is awake

barf

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:00:50am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is awake

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barf

We sure do have a lot more capital letters than before, thanks Donald.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:10:43am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Beginning of the weekly news cycle. Just starting the weekly troll.

Cats vs Laser Pointers Compilation 2016

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ipsos  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:13:09am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is awake

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barf

Good thing it’s Friday. This news week has already been exhausting.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:20:26am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is awake

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barf

“many believe” means Drumpf his lonesome.

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jeffreyw  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:23:08am

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Good morning!

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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:34:40am

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area.

Trump’s minders have been out in force on the weekend shows trying to claim that:

1) Trump isn’t thinking about pardoning himself (which means that yes, he has);
2) Trump hasn’t thought about pardoning every around him (again, he has);
3) Trump shouldn’t be deposed by Mueller because he can’t keep his story straight.

Okay, on point 3, I’ll give Rudy that one.

If I were Trump’s lawyers, I would never let him anywhere near a deposition or even a statement under oath. Why? Because Trump can’t tell the truth about anything and he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room so he’ll boast and lie abuot everything. He’s got a huge ego and is so vain that he has to appear in control, and it’s pissing him off that Mueller is the one who has the power and control here.

Trump wants to derail the Mueller investigation, which just gets Trump in worse trouble under the law, and Rudy’s now got to contend with the reports that Trump thinks that he can do what he wants because he’s the president and above the rule of law.

That’s simply not true. We know that obstruction of justice is a high crime. The GOP impeached Clinton over it. What Trump has done to date is magnitudes worse.

In fact, it’s not even the same sport or ballpark. It’s an entire universe apart in criminal act, conduct, and intent. With Clinton, it was about lying about a sexual liason with an intern (that was at the time considered a consensual relationship). With Trump, it’s about working with foreign powers to subvert the election, hiring foreign agents despite being warned by the FBI not to do so, egging on the Russians to hack his political opponent, reaching out to foreign agents and powers to get dirt on political opponents, and then lying about his conduct every step of the way since.

Like I said - a different universe of criminality.

And yet, the GOP refuses to stop Trump or hold him accountable. Rather, they’re busy enabling him because they’re getting their regressive agenda passed and are putting the pieces in place to roll back decades of social progress thanks to jamming the judiciary with their extremist judges.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:38:25am

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:38:36am

We will just have to stop all of it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:39:52am

re: #65 Belafon

We will just have to stop all of it.

Won’t happen with millions of Christians believing that Cheetolini was installed by Gawd.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:42:29am

re: #66 Joe Bacon 🌹

Won’t happen with millions of Christians believing that Cheetolini was installed by Gawd.

It can be stopped. There are millions of them. But they aren’t the majority. We are.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:51:26am

I am in India this week. It has been so peaceful to just get the heck out of the U.S.

Midterms.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:54:11am

The sad truth is that millions of Americans are only into looking out for #1 and they don’t care about anyone else until they have a major setback in their life.

Once they get stabilized they go back to looking out for #1.

I’m convinced that we do not have the desire to fix ourselves from the inside. But the rest of the world is going to have to do it for us and it’s going to start at the G7 when there will be clear retaliatory actions starting with the tariffs. More economic sanctions will follow including dumping the dollar as the reserve currency and refusing to buy any more Treasury securities to finance our out of control deficits.

It’s going to get even nastier as the G7 collapses. Of course the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine will be cranked up to 12 spewing out even more hate and intolerance. And the Christians will be pushing more measures to implement their radical agenda as documented in today’s Guardian.

Once again the Guardian shows that the useless Screw York Times is asleep at the switch!

A playbook known as Project Blitz, developed by a collection of Christian groups, has provided state politicians with a set of off-the-shelf pro-Christian “model bills”.

Some legislation uses verbatim language from the “model bills’” created by a group called the Congressional Prayer Caucus Foundation (CPCF), set up by a former Republican congressman which has a stated aim to “protect religious freedom, preserve America’s Judeo-Christian heritage and promote prayer”.

At least 75 bills have been brought forward in more than 20 states during 2017 and 2018 which appear to be modelled on or have similar objectives to the playbook, according to Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a campaign group which tracks legislation that undermines the principle of separation of church and state.

Opponents warn that the CPCF (which claims more than 600 politicians as members across state legislatures ) is using the banner of “religious freedom” to impose Christianity on American public, political and cultural life.

theguardian.com

Meanwhile Maggie and Glenn continue to kiss Trump’s ass and Cillizza still snorts the Magic Balance Fairy Dust. And the Washington Press Corpse still grovels before Hucky Boo Boo’s bullshitting.

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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 5:58:02am
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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:06:10am

giuilani went on national tv yesterday and said:

I mean, this is—this is the reason you don’t let the President testify. If, you know, every, our recollection keeps changing, or we’re not even asked a question, and somebody makes an assumption, in my case, I made an assumption and then I, then, then we corrected, and I got it right out as soon as, as soon as, as soon as it happened. I think that’s what happened here.

so he admits that Trump is guaranteed to perjure himself.
to the world he atcually said that Trump can’t even be asked to testify because he can’t keep his story straight
its probably the first honest thing anyone has said about this entire sordid affiar

now there is a difference between
1 - being accused of perjury - ie for any minute slip or error - ie an overly aggressive prosecutor “out to get you” - or use you to flip someone else and
2 - de facto perjuring yourself because you forgot where you put the truth and merely tell multiple stories

they keep implying 1 though without actually ever saying it.
what they’re deathly afraid of is 2

good morning boys and girls

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:07:24am
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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:10:22am
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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:10:49am

What was Fox talking about this morning, because odds are Trump heard what was said and regurgitated it in tweet form?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:13:09am

re: #72 I Would Prefer Not To

She is not in my kitchen, either.

Who are three people who’ve never been in my kitchen? - Cliff Clavin Final Jeopardy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:13:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:16:02am

re: #73 lawhawk

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I see he’s sticking with “Councel”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:17:41am

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see he’s sticking with “Councel”

Wharton school graduate, yo.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:18:01am

re: #77 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see he’s sticking with “Councel”

I think the only misspelling he’s missed is ‘kounsel.’

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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:19:45am

re: #79 Barefoot Grin

kkkounsel. Which is another name for Bannon/Miller.

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BlueGrl21  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:21:10am

re: #70 lawhawk

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You can’t pardon yourself from impeachment, Donald.

You have to admit guilt to pardon yourself, at which point you are opening yourself up to a nice, pretty removal from office.

I swear, it’s like arguing with my 16 year-old son. “Sure, you can do that, but it will get you sent to jail and Mom and Dad ain’t coming to get you. Make good choices.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:21:22am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Tangsnorter is going to get slapped around at the G7. I fully expect that ass to walk out of the meeting!

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:21:43am

Morning!

I haven’t read the overnight comments, and I am already into a busy day. But, I wanted to ask about something I heard while I had the Today show yakking in the background.

They were talking about an interview with Bill Clinton and James Patterson and the book they worked together on.

I think it was Craig Melvin that said Joe Scarborough mentioned the interview on Morning Joke and that this interview will finish Clinton as a public figure or something to that effect.

I know Scarborough hates Bill Clinton so who knows. I think they played a bit of the interview where he said he never talked to and apologized to Monica Lewinsky.

Did anyone catch that, and is the what got Joke all upset? Was it really bad?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:21:46am
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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:24:45am

re: #73 lawhawk

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C’mon ‘hawk

Appointing a “special councel” probably is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:24:59am

The Gorillaz have released a new video featuring Jack Black, and have added a new band member, Ace, the leader of the Gang Green Gang from the Powerpuff Girls.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:26:24am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In wonder if that “terrible” was in English or French

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:28:29am
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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:28:45am

re: #81 BlueGrl21

You can’t pardon yourself from impeachment, Donald.

You have to admit guilt to pardon yourself, at which point you are opening yourself up to a nice, pretty removal from office.

I swear, it’s like arguing with my 16 year-old son. “Sure, you can do that, but it will get you sent to jail and Mom and Dad ain’t coming to get you. Make good choices.”

Someone floated that when he sees the wall coming he pardons himself and resigns 5 minutes later

Personally I don’t see any of these wild scenarios playing out
This is all just shiny objects to keep the rubes both distracted and engaged

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BlueGrl21  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:29:33am

re: #87 dangerman

In wonder if that “terrible” was in English or French

I see what you did there.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:31:12am

re: #83 ObserverArt

Morning!

I haven’t read the overnight comments, and I am already into a busy day. But, I wanted to ask about something I heard while I had the Today show yakking in the background.

They were talking about an interview with Bill Clinton and James Patterson and the book they worked together on.

I think it was Craig Melvin that said Joe Scarborough mentioned the interview on Morning Joke and that this interview will finish Clinton as a public figure or something to that effect.

I know Scarborough hates Bill Clinton so who knows. I think they played a bit of the interview where he said he never talked to and apologized to Monica Lewinsky.

Did anyone catch that, and is the what got Joke all upset? Was it really bad?

It was 20 years ago
They’re fishing for anything
He apologized to the nation the world and his family

They had a more or less consensual relationship
In this context nothing to apologize to her for (imo)

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:33:27am

re: #90 BlueGrl21

I see what you did there.

Terrible, wasn’t it? Or was it?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:34:40am

re: #91 dangerman

I disagree, strictly from the power relationship and professional not personal circumstances. Boss and intern? It’s just wrong.

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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:36:44am

re: #85 dangerman

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:37:29am

YouTube has tweaked its algorithm again, I think. All kinds of peripheral recommendations are popping up on my home page. I watched a Jay Leno video about a ‘69 Nissan GTR, and an entire raft of GTR videos were in my recommended list.

Is it too much to ask to see the channels I actually subscribed to first, and *then* the recos?

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I cannot.  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:43:07am

re: #95 wheat-dogg

I *never* go to the YT main page, I only go to the subscription feed. I will sometimes scroll down the sidebar recs while watching the video.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:48:51am

i just can’t…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:49:46am

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Massive Tax & Regulation Cuts, Military & Vets

So you massively cut the Military and Vets, or what?

//

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:52:29am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

i just can’t…

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He is going to royally fuck everything up for everyone.

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I cannot.  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:54:12am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s barely even Monday morning, and I already want it to be Friday afternoon.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:55:27am

re: #99 wheat-dogg

He is going to royally fuck everything up for everyone.

“Pick the child you want to live, and starve the other one.”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:57:28am

re: #101 Belafon

“Pick the child you want to live, and starve the other one.”

A version of Thanos, IOW.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:58:40am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 6:58:59am
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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:00:38am

re: #102 wheat-dogg

A version of Thanos, IOW.

Thinking Stalin, but yeah.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:01:01am

re: #104 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Germany is within its rights as a sovereign nation to revoke his diplomatic passport and send him home.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:02:10am

re: #106 wheat-dogg

Germany is within its rights as a sovereign nation to revoke his diplomatic passport and send him home.

They should. He’s supposed to be representing the US not conservatives.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:02:25am

re: #105 Belafon

Thinking Stalin, but yeah.

One is fictional, but more recent. I finally saw the movie this weekend.

Stalin was a fucker, too. He and Trump would have gotten along just dandy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:04:03am

3:30 p.m. (Paris local time)

Serena Williams has called off her Grand Slam comeback, pulling out of the French Open because of a chest injury before she was supposed to play Maria Sharapova.

Williams announced her withdrawal at a news conference at Roland Garros on Monday.

Williams’ voice quivered as she said she can’t serve because of a problem with her tight pectoral muscle.

She and Sharapova were scheduled to play a fourth-round match Monday.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:04:08am
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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:05:46am

re: #107 HappyWarrior

They should. He’s supposed to be representing the US not conservatives.

The tone of the article suggests to me that Germany, in very diplomatic terms, is demanding Washington explain those remarks — that is, categorically repudiate them — or expect Germany to send him packing.

* Edited to use the word that was on the tip of my tongue when I posted the first time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:08:13am
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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:12:14am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

i just can’t…

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If there is no trading…there will be no deficit.

There will also be less farmers, but that is just a little negative thing compared to the positive of Making America Great Again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:12:32am

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I don’t agree that Trump can’t pardon himself, since its never been tested in court, and it only takes 5 Justices to rule he can. But yes, every Republican in Congress should be asked this question.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:13:18am

re: #90 BlueGrl21

I see what you did there.

I thought it prudent to ignore his quip.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:13:42am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:14:36am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well that sucks. Maybe pushing her body to hard. I’m pretty sure she felt she had something to prove, which in itself sucks that she probably felt that way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:15:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:16:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:17:34am

shorter Turtle: “it’s not my job”

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:19:43am

So Donny has all these “legal scholars” studying if he can pardon himself, but there is no need because Donny didn’t do it!

If there is no reason for Trump to pardon Trump, then why were the “legal scholars” looking into it and why do you and all your flunkies, like Rudy, mention it all the time?

Donny doth protest too much. GUILTY!

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Citizen K  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:20:14am

Welp. Between this and Cheeto’s personal legal interpretation on personal pardons being poohpoohed by the usual subjects for taking the heat off of Bill Clinton…like said before, we’re going to be dealing with the damage for a generation, if not more. And the electorate simply isn’t going to give Dems the slack to ever fix it before switching back to its love affair with the GOP.

They’ve all but won in every way it matters it seems. America will forever and ever be the permanent conservatopia they wanted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:20:18am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:22:11am
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plansbandc  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:22:44am

Welcome to legal discrimination.

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Citizen K  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:23:10am

re: #125 plansbandc

Welcome to legal discrimination.

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Yep…permanent conservatopia, here we come….

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plansbandc  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:24:03am

re: #126 Citizen K

Can’t wait for the “No Fags” signs.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:24:25am

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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shorter Turtle: “it’s not my job”

Even shorter Turtle: “Trump has exposed I am a pussy. Some have known it all along, but now everyone knows. Imma go hide now.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:24:45am
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Teukka  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:25:36am
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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:25:38am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:26:26am

Welcome to the Union of Soviet Jesus Republics.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:26:44am

re: #122 Citizen K

So, from what I’ve read, the court threw out any legal precedent that would have been established on whether an immigrant can receive an abortion because the doctor in question wasn’t available and then was available for the abortion. (She did have her abortion, btw.) Basically, the next person who tries this will just have to fight again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:27:52am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:28:46am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Okay, a gay baker needs to deny Evangelical Christians too.

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Citizen K  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:29:47am

re: #133 Belafon

So, from what I’ve read, the court threw out any legal precedent that would have been established on whether an immigrant can receive an abortion because the doctor in question wasn’t available and then was available for the abortion. (She did have her abortion, btw.) Basically, the next person who tries this will just have to fight again.

I mean, that said…I’m not sure how it’s going to end up any different if it’s brought up again. Especially if Trump gets another Justice on the court in the end.

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Mike Lamb  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:30:07am

re: #125 plansbandc

Welcome to legal discrimination.

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We are so thoroughly fucked.

Mother. Fucker.

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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:30:37am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Court has sanctioned legal discrimination. Full stop.

All those folks who thought both parties are the same and that Clinton was worse than Trump have precipitated a situation where Trump/GOP have made discrimination legal and enable discriminatory behavior across the board.

The GOP will not rein in Trump. They are getting their policies enacted and adopted.

We warned them, but they didn’t care. Their hate/misogyny trumps facts and logic.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:33:07am

re: #131 lawhawk

So desperate to hold onto the past. And it’s going to drive them nuts because while they keep trying to do this, I am seeing commercials that are not only featuring mixed race couples, but gay couples as well.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:34:37am

re: #138 lawhawk

The Court has sanctioned legal discrimination. Full stop.

All those folks who thought both parties are the same and that Clinton was worse than Trump have precipitated a situation where Trump/GOP have made discrimination legal and enable discriminatory behavior across the board.

The GOP will not rein in Trump. They are getting their policies enacted and adopted.

We warned them, but they didn’t care. Their hate/misogyny trumps facts and logic.

And all those people who thought “nothing like this will ever happen, so I’ll just purity vote”, or not vote at all, deserve some blame

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:35:14am

re: #124 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The appointment of the Special Counsel is totally UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

OK, I’ll play along. why is a Special Counsel “unconstitutional”?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:35:43am

re: #126 Citizen K

Yep…permanent conservatopia, here we come….

I could open an all-inclusive bakery somewhere and make bank, at this rate.

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Citizen K  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:35:57am

re: #139 Belafon

So desperate to hold onto the past. And it’s going to drive them nuts because while they keep trying to do this, I am seeing commercials that are not only featuring mixed race couples, but gay couples as well.

It may not matter if they can get their bigotry codified and legalized. They’ll still have won, and companies will see no incentive to bother with encouraging or making statements toward diversity if they can get away with catering only toward the majority and not only not get punished for it, but rewarded because we remain a country full of racists and racism.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:36:01am

re: #93 Unshaken Defiance

I disagree, strictly from the power relationship and professional not personal circumstances. Boss and intern? It’s just wrong.

i know this has been thrashed around for years
strictly speaking, yes i agree with you about the power imbalance and the professional setting

she’s been quite clear about her feelings and doesnt seem to care
they have both long since moved on
whether he “should have” personally apologized, he certainly doesnt need to now in 2018 (imo)

it’s some 20 years later. to bring this up is to stir up trouble. nothing more

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:36:34am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

OK, I’ll play along. why is a Special Counsel “unconstitutional”?

Because, according to them, it goes around Trump’s authority to completely control the executive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:36:41am

I’m reading SCOTUS’s wedding cake opinion (59 pages—it’s going to take me a while).
It’s complicated and not nearly as sweeping as it would first appear.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:37:21am

re: #94 lawhawk

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sorry - i was (apparently not) being funny re “councel”
it is not a word and therefore likely unconstitutional

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:38:07am

re: #100 I cannot.

It’s barely even Monday morning, and I already want it to be Friday afternoon.

why cause the weekends are any better?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:38:38am

re: #131 lawhawk

BREAKING: Supreme Court rules narrowly for Colorado baker who wouldn’t make same-sex wedding cake.

— The Associated Press

Hmmmm, decision was 7-2. Although NYT says decision relied on “narrow grounds”.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:39:10am
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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:40:06am

re: #114 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t agree that Trump can’t pardon himself, since its never been tested in court, and it only takes 5 Justices to rule he can. But yes, every Republican in Congress should be asked this question.

the republicans, to a person, will deflect the answer

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:40:09am

Waiting for Milo, SMOTI and his buddy L’il Lucien and Caitlin to chime in about how Trump would be the most gay accommodating President ever…

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:40:12am

re: #122 Citizen K

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Welp. Between this and Cheeto’s personal legal interpretation on personal pardons being poohpoohed by the usual subjects for taking the heat off of Bill Clinton…like said before, we’re going to be dealing with the damage for a generation, if not more. And the electorate simply isn’t going to give Dems the slack to ever fix it before switching back to its love affair with the GOP.

They’ve all but won in every way it matters it seems. America will forever and ever be the permanent conservatopia they wanted.

I fear we are going to be hearing the term “wipes out legal precedent” many times in the near future.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:40:42am

re: #143 Citizen K

It may not matter if they can get their bigotry codified and legalized. They’ll still have won, and companies will see no incentive to bother with encouraging or making statements toward diversity if they can get away with catering only toward the majority and not only not get punished for it, but rewarded because we remain a country full of racists and racism.

Yes, we’ve got some asshole government people to deal with, and some bakeries that need to be shut down, but consider that Dick’s has stopped selling AR-15s, and our boycotts of businesses tend to work much better than the Rights.

These rulings suck. And it’s going to take a lot of work to undo them. But giving up is not an option. And you know what? Separate but equal was once the law of the land. It can be undone, and it can be undone faster than it used to be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:40:51am

re: #149 Sir John Barron

Hmmmm, decision was 7-2. Although NYT says decision relied on “narrow grounds”.

The 2 dissenting were Ginsburg and Sotomayer.

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Citizen K  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:40:53am

I’m fucking done today.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:41:39am

re: #145 Belafon

Because, according to them, it goes around Trump’s authority to completely control the executive.

By that reasoning, a president can essentially never be investigated.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:42:15am

This seems like a good time for me to go to bed, because the news sucks now. And also, I have to get up early to give exams for three hours tomorrow.

Until tomorrow, folks!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:42:43am

re: #133 Belafon

So, from what I’ve read, the court threw out any legal precedent that would have been established on whether an immigrant can receive an abortion because the doctor in question wasn’t available and then was available for the abortion. (She did have her abortion, btw.) Basically, the next person who tries this will just have to fight again.

Yep, it means that the government can keep trying to force teen immigrants to have babies. Then, knowing Trump, it will take the babies away from them.

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Teukka  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:45:26am

re: #159 Big Beautiful Door

Yep, it means that the government can keep trying to force teen immigrants to have babies. Then, knowing Trump, it will take the babies away from them.

*cough* 18 U.S. Code § 1091 (a)(6) *cough*

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:47:01am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

The 2 dissenting were Ginsburg and Sotomayer.

Yeah the AP tweet indicated the ruling was “narrow”, which I thought odd for a 7-2 decision, but calling the ruling “narrow” appears more related to the terms and limits of the ruling.

I was wondering what would happen for the provision of services generally, like hotels and restaurants, if the SCOTUS ruled as they did today.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:48:09am

re: #160 Teukka

*cough* 18 U.S. Code § 1091 (a)(6) *cough*

Apparently genocide is now official US policy when it comes to undocumented immigrants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:48:42am
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Teukka  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:49:09am

re: #162 Big Beautiful Door

Apparently genocide is now official US policy when it comes to undocumented immigrants.

Which is why one of the facilities refusing a US senator entry gives me the chills.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:49:15am

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah, Junior, ya gotta keep reading.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:50:10am

re: #161 Sir John Barron

Yeah the AP tweet indicated the ruling was “narrow”, which I thought odd for a 7-2 decision, but calling the ruling “narrow” appears more related to the terms and limits of the ruling.

I was wondering what would happen for the provision of services generally, like hotels and restaurants, if the SCOTUS ruled as they did today.

Having not read the ruling, but only seen some takes on it, it appears that adjudicators need to respect religious beliefs and accept them at face value while ruling on discrimination claims. But this does not mean that the religious objector automatically wins.

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I cannot.  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:50:35am

re: #148 dangerman

Because I work on the weekends and I have more to do to keep my mind off the dumpster fire.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:51:38am

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He shows his ignorance. The judges aren’t “Dem leaning” or “Repub leaning.” I haven’t read the decision yet but from what you all have said thus far, it’s by no means a total affirmation of what wingnuts want to be able to do.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:52:11am

re: #166 Big Beautiful Door

Having not read the ruling, but only seen some takes on it, it appears that adjudicators need to respect religious beliefs and accept them at face value while ruling on discrimination claims. But this does not mean that the religious objector automatically wins.

Which I think is a valid position. But I can’t expect Donnie Jr to understand that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:52:55am

re: #166 Big Beautiful Door

Having not read the ruling, but only since some takes on it, it appears that adjudicators need to respect religious beliefs and accept them at face value while ruling on discrimination claims. But this does not mean that the religious objector automatically wins.

From what I’ve read of the opinion so far, a lot of it has to do with how the Colorado Civil Rights Commission mishandled everything related to the complaint, including openly disparaging the baker’s faith.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:53:00am

re: #166 Big Beautiful Door

Having not read the ruling, but only since some takes on it, it appears that adjudicators need to respect religious beliefs and accept them at face value while ruling on discrimination claims. But this does not mean that the religious objector automatically wins.

Sounds like future rulings will depend on how “free exercise” or expression is understood. So, discrimination could not occur for hotels, restaurants and other public accommodations, but could be allowed for other services.

OTOH, if money is now regarded by the SCOTUS as “speech”, then the “free exercise of religion” could be interpreted much more broadly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:53:37am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Okay, a gay baker needs to deny Evangelical Christians too.

Nope. Discriminating against religious views is a violation of the law. It doesn’t work that way. Religion is a protected class under Federal law, gay is not.

I do now have to worry about whether I will be discriminated against as an atheist.

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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:53:57am

re: #161 Sir John Barron

Yeah the AP tweet indicated the ruling was “narrow”, which I thought odd for a 7-2 decision, but calling the ruling “narrow” appears more related to the terms and limits of the ruling.

I was wondering what would happen for the provision of services generally, like hotels and restaurants, if the SCOTUS ruled as they did today.

The scope of the ruling is narrow.

The decision itself had broad consensus.

I haven’t had a chance to read the decision, but if what I’m seeing is accurate, then this decision is more like a punt than a hard and fast rule.

It still sucks, because it allows all kinds of fuckery to occur until the Supreme Court does finally get around to making a decision here that has wider application.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:54:31am

re: #139 Belafon

So desperate to hold onto the past. And it’s going to drive them nuts because while they keep trying to do this, I am seeing commercials that are not only featuring mixed race couples, but gay couples as well.

There are a ton of major companies advertising like that. They are not going to change because they sell stuff to everyone. It’s business.

But don’t tell the business party, they are too busy giving America ‘the business.’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:55:18am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:56:05am

re: #159 Big Beautiful Door

Yep, it means that the government can keep trying to force teen immigrants to have babies. Then, knowing Trump, it will take the babies away from them.

The way I read that case was the Supreme Court threw it back because it was moot. (The teen obtained her abortion.)

This is sort of the way abortion cases went before Roe. By the time they could get to the courts, the pregnancy was over and the case was moot.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 7:59:27am
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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:00:16am

re: #174 ObserverArt

There are a ton of major companies advertising like that. They are not going to change because they sell stuff to everyone. It’s business.

But don’t tell the business party, they are too busy giving America ‘the business.’

There was an HIV commercial (recommending prevention and testing for anyone who might come in contact) during Jurassic World on NBC that included two gay men in bed. I kind of want to know how certain people reacted to seeing it

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:02:03am

re: #144 dangerman

i know this has been thrashed around for years
strictly speaking, yes i agree with you about the power imbalance and the professional setting

she’s been quite clear about her feelings and doesnt seem to care
they have both long since moved on
whether he “should have” personally apologized, he certainly doesnt need to now in 2018 (imo)

it’s some 20 years later. to bring this up is to stir up trouble. nothing more

It’s always Kick a Clinton Week in the U.S.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:02:35am

Scribd Document

The Commission’s hostility was inconsistent with theFirst Amendment’s guarantee that our laws be applied ina manner that is neutral toward religion. Phillips wasentitled to a neutral decisionmaker who would give full and fair consideration to his religious objection as hesought to assert it in all of the circumstances in which thiscase was presented, considered, and decided. In this case the adjudication concerned a context that may well be different going forward in the respects noted above. How-ever later cases raising these or similar concerns are resolved in the future, for these reasons the rulings of theCommission and of the state court that enforced the Commission’s order must be invalidated. The outcome of cases like this in other circumstances must await further elaboration in the courts, all in the context of recognizing that these disputes must be re-solved with tolerance, without undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs, and without subjecting gay persons to indignities when they seek goods and services in an openmarket. The judgment of the Colorado Court of Appeals is re-versed.
It is so ordered

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:03:14am

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹

Nope. Discriminating against religious views is a violation of the law. It doesn’t work that way. Religion is a protected class under Federal law, gay is not.

I do now have to worry about whether I will be discriminated against as an atheist.

I was being tongue in cheek.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:03:25am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:07:37am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I was being tongue in cheek.

There have been suggestions before of “well, we’ll just discriminate against Evangelicals then.”

It won’t be just Evangelicals who invoke this. There are plenty of other churches who will be fine with it too.

And now conservatives have their back door to get back to Jim Crow.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:09:11am

re: #183 Anymouse 🌹

There have been suggestions before of “well, we’ll just discriminate against Evangelicals then.”

It won’t be just Evangelicals who invoke this. There are plenty of other churches who will be fine with it too.

And now conservatives have their back door to get back to Jim Crow.

I know. I was being a smartass. But yes, that’s why I oppose these “religious liberty” laws.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:09:41am

Look at all the groups who could be discriminated against which are not protected classes.

Single moms.
Liberals.
People with long hair.
&c.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:11:37am

re: #177 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Well, that doesn’t sound creepy at all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:11:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:12:29am

thread:

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sagehen  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:13:39am

re: #106 wheat-dogg

Germany is within its rights as a sovereign nation to revoke his diplomatic passport and send him home.

If Germany wants to announce that it sounds to them like he’s supporting Nazis… they have to PNG him. And the whole world would take their side.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:14:40am

re: #186 Eventual Carrion

Well, that doesn’t sound creepy at all.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:17:14am

re: #190 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Does this mattress smell funny to you?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:18:21am
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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:21:05am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:22:16am

re: #192 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah this is hardly a victory for the RR.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:24:24am

kobach is a shithead.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:26:45am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

kobach is a shithead.

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Kobach can go fuck himself. And you sir are part of the same culture that cries when their coffee cups don’t wish them a Merry Christmas, shut the fuck up about snowflakes, you piece of shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:27:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:27:52am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:30:27am

are: #140 Belafon

And all those people who thought “nothing like this will ever happen, so I’ll just purity vote”, or not vote at all, deserve some blame

There is a lot of blame out there. But if the purity ponies and the BernieBros did the right thing, Putin’s puppet would not be president today. And these people are still out to damage the Democratic party and ensure Republican victories in the future.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:31:22am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

The outrage over the replica gun on the back of a patriotic jeep

I’m pretty sure a jeep cannot be patriotic, sir, since it is a piece of metal.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:32:22am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You found out about your own Dad’s adultery through the tabloids, shut the fuck up Little Donnie.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:32:26am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

kobach is a shithead.

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KKKrissy was just wanting to play Rat Patrol!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:32:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:32:58am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That Wharton education doing them well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:34:08am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:34:25am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

kobach is a shithead.

And his jeep violates the US Flag Code.

He’s a conservative though so I wouldn’t expect him to know that with his faux-patriotic display.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:34:35am

re: #178 Belafon

There was an HIV commercial (recommending prevention and testing for anyone who might come in contact) during Jurassic World on NBC that included two gay men in bed. I kind of want to know how certain people reacted to seeing it

I saw that commercial on AMC last night.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:35:13am

re: #6 Hecuba’s daughter

Another big story that got drowned out by the Roseanne brouhaha on Tuesday was that Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens resigned. Greitens is a Rhodes Scholar, former Navy SEAL and humanitarian who was named by Fortune as one of the world’s 50 greatest leaders

Oh, well, if Fortune voted him top 50 and he’s a former Navy Seal and a great humanitarian according to Huck, then Greitens should be reinstated pronto.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:35:54am

A candidate drivng around with a machine gun on a jeep. Oh I dunno. Sounds like something you’d see in one of hte countries Trump would call a shithole. By the way, I doubt shithead Kobach actually knows how to use that gun. It just makes him feel bigger than the little man he really is. And thanks Mitt Romney for making this asshole your immigration advisor.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:36:31am

re: #208 Sir John Barron

Oh, well, if Fortune voted him top 50 and he’s a former Navy Seal and a great humanitarian according to Huck, then Greitens should be reinstated pronto.

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Someone should tell Huckster there’s a former Nobel Lauerate who never abused any women who he hates.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:36:56am

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹

Look at all the groups who could be discriminated against which are not protected classes.

Single moms.
Liberals.
People with long hair.
&c.

To be clear, single moms are protected.

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Chrysicat  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:37:17am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:38:25am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My guy did exactly the same thing (over 20 years ago). As soon as he entered the pond, you could see the shock on his face because he hated water and he was back out in 2 seconds. Too bad we had paid the groomer an exorbitant fee the day before!

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:39:41am

If anyone is interested here is the video from The Today show with Craig Melvin and Bill Clinton talking about Monica Lewinsky, # MeToo and the past.

Now I need to see what apparently pissed off Joke Scarborough about this interview. Funny, Joke is apparently outraged by Clinton’s comments. I’m sure he is as pure as snow considering he has been married several times. Yet, Bill and Hillary are still together.

Funny ol’ world.

Iframe

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Amory Blaine  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:39:51am

The narrow cakeshop ruling is not how it’s going to be interpreted by bigots. We’re going to see a flurry of discrimination because of this.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:41:23am

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m pretty sure Lewinsky always considered their relationship consensual and that she wasn’t a victim.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:41:33am

re: #211 Big Beautiful Door

To be clear, single moms are protected.

Discriminate on the grounds of unmarried with children, not on the grounds she is a woman.

EEOC for example does not protect from discrimination as a parent. If you can’t perform your work, you can be fired as a single mother.

You would have to prove in a case that you were fired for being a woman.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:42:22am

You know, can I point something about Bill and Monica? That was a consensual affair. It wasn’t the same thing as what happened with Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, or even someone like Louis C.K or Matt Lauer. It was a consensual sexual affair between two parties, both who were adults. Now if you want to argue that Bill acted like a dirtbag husband, fine but this is crap. And it’s especially crap coming from the Republicans who later had a child molester in Denny Hastert as their Speaker.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:42:28am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:42:40am

re: #216 Big Beautiful Door

I’m pretty sure Lewinsky always considered their relationship consensual and that she wasn’t a victim.

Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:43:29am

re: #215 Amory Blaine

The narrow cakeshop ruling is not how it’s going to be interpreted by bigots. We’re going to see a flurry of discrimination because of this.

I do fear that for sure.

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Citizen K  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:44:19am

re: #214 ObserverArt

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:45:19am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Exactly.

Monica really thought Bill was going to leave Hillary for her — she definitely was not a victim but he was a total jerk

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:45:49am

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

Discriminate on the grounds of unmarried with children, not on the grounds she is a woman.

EEOC for example does not protect from discrimination as a parent. If you can’t perform your work, you can be fired as a single mother.

You would have to prove in a case that you were fired for being a woman.

Well they can’t refuse to hire you because you are a single mom. But if school’s closed for snow and you can’t get a babysitter, tough! Its employment-at-will, baby!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:46:21am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

I do fear that for sure.

My letter to the paper a month ago outing myself as an atheist to the whole Panhandle in batting down a claim that “atheists are the cause of mass murders” is going to come back and bite me now.

I can expect at least some of the businesses here to tell me to hit the road and don’t come back (and we don’t really have much in the way of Evangelical churches here).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:46:55am

re: #223 Hecuba’s daughter

Monica really thought Bill was going to leave Hillary for her — she definitely was not a victim but he was a total jerk

He was a jerk. They also were both adults having a consenual affair. The victim in the affair was not Monica but Hillary and Chelsea who had to have Bill’s dirty laundry aired in front of the American people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:47:25am

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

My letter to the paper a month ago outing myself as an atheist to the whole Panhandle in batting down a claim that “atheists are the cause of mass murders” is going to come back and bite me now.

I can expect at least some of the businesses here to tell me to hit the road and don’t come back (and we don’t really have much in the way of Evangelical churches here).

Agh.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:48:10am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

You know, can I point something about Bill and Monica? That was a consensual affair. It wasn’t the same thing as what happened with Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, or even someone like Louis C.K or Matt Lauer. It was a consensual sexual affair between two parties, both who were adults. Now if you want to argue that Bill acted like a dirtbag husband, fine but this is crap. And it’s especially crap coming from the Republicans who later had a child molester in Denny Hastert as their Speaker.

Bill didn’t get into that exactly in the interview, but he did hint that the media (Melvin) often forgets the facts of his situation with Monica. I think what you mention is what he means. Monica herself has said it was consensual. Though she now says it was a power move on Bill’s part.

Meanwhile Joke Scarborough is still a joke.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:49:39am

re: #228 ObserverArt

Bill didn’t get into that exactly in the interview, but he did hint that the media (Melvin) often forgets the facts of his situation with Monica. I think what you mention is what he means. Monica herself has said it was consensual. Though she now says it was a power move on Bill’s part.

Meanwhile Joke Scarborough is still a joke.

Right. From what I recall reading, I believe Monica had an affair with one of her professors. It doesn’t mean she was a terrible person but I just resent the right likening this to the MeToo. Hell Stormy-Trump wouldn’t even be MeToo if he hadn’t had Cohen try to intimidate her into silence.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:51:50am

re: #219 Stanley Sea

I hope the students of March for Our Lives stay safe on their bus tour. As crazy as the gun nuts are right now, I’d probably have those vehicles armored just in case.

But more power to them. They may be able to bring the change that my boomer generation will never be able to do.

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:53:34am

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:54:07am

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

My letter to the paper a month ago outing myself as an atheist to the whole Panhandle in batting down a claim that “atheists are the cause of mass murders” is going to come back and bite me now.

I can expect at least some of the businesses here to tell me to hit the road and don’t come back (and we don’t really have much in the way of Evangelical churches here).

Will you be sure to tell us if none of that happens?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:54:13am

re: #230 ObserverArt

I hope the students of March for Our Lives stay safe on their bus tour. As crazy as the gun nuts are right now, I’d probably have those vehicles armored just in case.

But more power to them. They may be able to bring the change that my boomer generation will never be able to do.

I worry for their safety too and I don’t think it’s far fetched at all to do so given how the Civil Rights marchers were treated. These are brave kids.

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sagehen  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:54:32am

Tonight on A&E: “The Spy Who Raised Me” (10pm EST)

Following the emotional journey of Chelsea Dittrich, the U.S. born daughter of a former American-based Russian spy. Speaking with other children of spies as well as with her own father whose spying activities tore her family apart, she uncovers the effects….

So basically, a documentary about people who are the real-life equivalent of Paige and Henry Jennings.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:56:08am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I worry for their safety too and I don’t think it’s far fetched at all to do so given how the Civil Rights marchers were treated. These are brave kids.

I was thinking of Civil Rights Buses too. I got the chills.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:56:19am

re: #232 ObserverArt

Will you be sure to tell us if none of that happens?

Yes, I’ll happily report that.

We’ll have to see: This is a state that just put it wants to promote a “pro-life” culture in the frickin’ state budget.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:56:59am

re: #125 plansbandc

Welcome to legal discrimination.

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Welcome to the America where the Supreme Court will rule that the president is indeed above the law.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:58:29am

Now I’m hungry

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:59:02am

re: #235 ObserverArt

I was thinking of Civil Rights Buses too. I got the chills.

I hear ya. Americans getting murdered by other Americans simply for protesting for their rights and it wasn’t that long ago.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2018 • 8:59:45am

re: #214 ObserverArt

Why the hell is BC out there bringing up Monica Lewinsky now? Wasn’t helping to sabotage Hillary’s campaign enough?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:01:15am

re: #232 ObserverArt

Will you be sure to tell us if none of that happens?

I clicked the “heart” button on your comment, but I don’t know how to recall specific comments here later.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:04:34am

On Melon:

The First Lady has declined to attend the G7 summit next week, where she would’ve hung out with other first spouses. She’s also ghosting on an upcoming meeting with North Korea. This is a sharp change from her predecessor, whose whereabouts were closely scrutinized like a black woman shopping at the mall. She was practically charged with welfare fraud for daring to take vacations or wear clothes not designed by Costco. But let’s just give Melanie a break. She probably intended for “Be Best” to be “prescriptive” and not “descriptive.”

wonkette.com

I’ve got to give them more money.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:05:16am

Except for the US Flag Code violation, Kris Kobach’s jeep looks like a terrorist “technical.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:05:33am

re: #242 Skip Intro

On Melon:

wonkette.com

I’ve got to give them more money.

They do have a biting wit over there don’t they?

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:05:55am

re: #240 Skip Intro

Why the hell is BC out there bringing up Monica Lewinsky now? Wasn’t helping to sabotage Hillary’s campaign enough?

Bill Clinton didn’t bring it up. Craig Melvin did.

Come on Skip, I know you are having a hard time with a lot of this, but damn, you know how the media works.

This is just more ‘whataboutism’ and it is Bill Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:06:48am

re: #243 Anymouse 🌹

Except for the US Flag Code violation, Kris Kobach’s jeep looks like a terrorist “technical.”

Change him into fatigues and give him a few weeks facial hair growth, and yep. But it’s okay because he’s a white Republican in a suit. What kind of political candidate needs to go around in an armed jeep? Oh right, an insecure loser man baby who likes suppressing the vote.

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sagehen  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:09:17am

re: #242 Skip Intro

On Melon:

wonkette.com

I’ve got to give them more money.

My favorite of the conspiracy theories, which I started just now, is that Melanie herself was traded for the American prisoners in a comical mixup stemming from Trump’s insistence on negotiating with North Korea without a translator present or someone actually good at making deals.

Actually, it wasn’t Wonkette who started that particular conspiracy theory; one of the guests on Bill Maher last Friday pointed out that was the last time we saw Melania…

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Mattand  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:09:50am

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

Has something happened already?

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:10:49am

re: #245 ObserverArt

Bill Clinton didn’t bring it up. Craig Melvin did.

Come on Skip, I know you are having a hard time with a lot of this, but damn, you know how the media works.

This is just more ‘whataboutism’ and it is Bill Clinton.

And Clinton gets pissed off because the narrative has become so distorted over the last 20 years—he can’t not comment somehow.

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Skip Intro  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:12:07am

Trump Has Access to Everything a Dictator Could Want

He is consolidating power based on deceit at an alarming rate, and getting more popular as he goes.

The president*, installed at least in part by ratfckers in the employ of a former KGB thug now running a murderous kleptocracy, has at his easy disposal everything a dictator could possibly want. He has combined an instinctive contempt for democratic government with a swindler’s nose for easy cash and a junkie knifepoint robber’s reckless disregard for consequences. He has a tight, loyal cabal of flunkies who’d be chasing ambulances if it weren’t for their talents as sycophants. He has a largely impotent political opposition and a largely supine congressional majority. He is one vote away from a rubber-stamp Supreme Court.

He is succeeding in his campaign to delegitimize any criminal investigation of his various schemes; he’s managed to put Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III on the right side of things. Hostile press, he can easily ignore. He is consolidating power based on deceit at an alarming rate, and, worst of all, he is becoming more popular for doing so among the only voters that matter to him.

esquire.com

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:12:15am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Change him into fatigues and give him a few weeks facial hair growth, and yep. But it’s okay because he’s a white Republican in a suit. What kind of political candidate needs to go around in an armed jeep? Oh right, an insecure loser man baby who likes suppressing the vote.

Someone posted a Tweet about the Kobach jeep on Saturday I believe it was. The tweet said there were audible gasps heard when people saw the Jeep.

It was in Shawnee, Kansas, a town I am not familiar with at all as far as size, political makeup, etc. But it is in Kansas and probably not a big community.

I’m thinking many of those gasps did not come from snowflake liberals.

Keep mouthing off Kobach, you’re going to get everyone hating you yet…both sides of the political spectrum.

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:13:33am
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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:15:05am
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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:16:06am

I see Shawnee, Kansas is part of the Kansas City metro area.

Anyone familiar with the town’s political makeup?

I’m still thinking since Kobach did his Jeep thing he knew he was in safe political territory.

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:17:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:17:20am

re: #251 ObserverArt

Someone posted a Tweet about the Kobach jeep on Saturday I believe it was. The tweet said there were audible gasps heard when people saw the Jeep.

It was in Shawnee, Kansas, a town I am not familiar with at all as far as size, political makeup, etc. But it is in Kansas and probably not a big community.

I’m thinking many of those gasps did not come from snowflake liberals.

Keep mouthing off Kobach, you’re going to get everyone hating you yet…both sides of the political spectrum.

I checked. It’s in Johnson County. A County that hasn’t gone Democratic on a Presidential level since 1916.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:17:37am

re: #248 Mattand

Has something happened already?

Not yet, it’s only been a few hours.

re: #125 plansbandc

Welcome to legal discrimination.

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:17:46am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:18:50am

re: #251 ObserverArt

Someone posted a Tweet about the Kobach jeep on Saturday I believe it was. The tweet said there were audible gasps heard when people saw the Jeep.

It was in Shawnee, Kansas, a town I am not familiar with at all as far as size, political makeup, etc. But it is in Kansas and probably not a big community.

I’m thinking many of those gasps did not come from snowflake liberals.

Keep mouthing off Kobach, you’re going to get everyone hating you yet…both sides of the political spectrum.

Shawnee is a suburb of Kansas City.

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:19:55am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:20:06am

Out for a bit. Need to call the Mercedes dealer in Denver to schedule my car for service. The air conditioner bit the dirt.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:20:15am

I would think regardless of how conservative or liberal an area is, that would get a stink eye. Our local delegate has a stupid paper mache pig that he has that he uses to demostrate “waste” by Richmond.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:20:19am

re: #256 HappyWarrior

I checked. It’s in Johnson County. A County that hasn’t gone Democratic on a Presidential level since 1916.

So, Kobach did it to piss them off. /

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:21:51am

re: #263 ObserverArt

So, Kobach did it to piss them off. /

Yeah take that 1916 Democrats! Triggered!

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:24:43am
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CongoJack  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:25:20am

re: #251 ObserverArt

Someone posted a Tweet about the Kobach jeep on Saturday I believe it was. The tweet said there were audible gasps heard when people saw the Jeep.

It was in Shawnee, Kansas, a town I am not familiar with at all as far as size, political makeup, etc. But it is in Kansas and probably not a big community.

I’m thinking many of those gasps did not come from snowflake liberals.

Keep mouthing off Kobach, you’re going to get everyone hating you yet…both sides of the political spectrum.

I was born/raised in KS. Knew many a person from the Shawnee area. It actually is quite bluer than the western reaches KS. It is a suburb of Kansas City (with Lawrence and KU - the other liberal area on the west side). It is also a bit more affluent area. Back when I was in KS (moved to CO in 2002) this would have been seen as abhorrent. Though I would guess in many of the western/central areas it would have garnered applause.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:26:08am

I had to leave a message with the Mercedes dealer service department. Too busy to answer the telephone.

Perhaps everyone scheduling service before Trump’s tariffs go into effect? /half s

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:26:10am
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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:27:12am

re: #266 CongoJack

I was born/raised in KS. Knew many a person from the Shawnee area. It actually is quite bluer than the western reaches KS. It is a suburb of Kansas City (with Lawrence and KU - the other liberal area on the west side). It is also a bit more affluent area. Back when I was in KS (moved to CO in 2002) this would have been seen as abhorrent. Though I would guess in many of the western/central areas it would have garnered applause.

Thanks for the account.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:32:15am

re: #266 CongoJack

I was born/raised in KS. Knew many a person from the Shawnee area. It actually is quite bluer than the western reaches KS. It is a suburb of Kansas City (with Lawrence and KU - the other liberal area on the west side). It is also a bit more affluent area. Back when I was in KS (moved to CO in 2002) this would have been seen as abhorrent. Though I would guess in many of the western/central areas it would have garnered applause.

Thanks man.

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JordanRules  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:36:53am

re: #268 gocart mozart

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That’s a good thread with so many reminders of how abnormal all of this is. Highlighting how the press is derelict is a smart take.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:38:37am

re: #273 JordanRules

That’s a good thread with so many reminders of how abnormal all of this is. Highlighting how the press is derelict is a smart take.

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It certainly is weird.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:42:34am

re: #167 I cannot.

Because I work on the weekends and I have more to do to keep my mind off the dumpster fire.

Gotcha

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:43:43am
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Jay C  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:45:12am

re: #273 JordanRules

That’s a good thread with so many reminders of how abnormal all of this is. Highlighting how the press is derelict is a smart take.

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It’s no wonder the press is “derelict” when they are laboring under the - probably absolutely correct - assumption that any question whatsoever about the FLOTUS’s health/location, etc. will not only be stonewalled - and likely with sneering dismissal; but let them in for (yet another) round of castigation for “harrassing” or “persecuting” poor Melania over “sensationalized” nonsense (like abusive, intrusive, and uncalled-for questions like “where is she”).

Doesn’t Mrs. T have a scheduled appearance (?today?) at some WH function or other?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:46:08am

re: #277 Jay C

Closed to press.

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:47:52am
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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:48:20am

re: #251 ObserverArt

Someone posted a Tweet about the Kobach jeep on Saturday I believe it was. The tweet said there were audible gasps heard when people saw the Jeep.

It was in Shawnee, Kansas, a town I am not familiar with at all as far as size, political makeup, etc. But it is in Kansas and probably not a big community.

I’m thinking many of those gasps did not come from snowflake liberals.

Keep mouthing off Kobach, you’re going to get everyone hating you yet…both sides of the political spectrum.

Part of Kansas City metro; went for Trump by 3 points in 2016.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:48:57am

re: #254 ObserverArt

I see Shawnee, Kansas is part of the Kansas City metro area.

Anyone familiar with the town’s political makeup?

I’m still thinking since Kobach did his Jeep thing he knew he was in safe political territory.

The town was appalled by Kobach’s stunt and apologized for the incident and said they would make sure nothing like that happens again.

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Jay C  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:49:14am

re: #278 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Closed to press.

I know, but it’s still semi-“public”, no? Gold Star Mothers, I think. Are they all going to be required to sign a NDA against admitting that they actually saw Melania Trump?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:49:57am

re: #280 BeachDem

Part of Kansas City metro; went for Trump by 3 points in 2016.

I’ve done some searching around but HRC actually outperformed Obama in some areas. My own district is one of them. It’s kind of why I hate the “Everyone hated Hillary man” bullshit. That just takes some balls. Hillary beat both Bernie and Trump in the popular vote yet both their support base contend that Hillary was hate and they were loved. If I were HRC, I’d have quite a few bones to pick with both Bernie and Trump too.

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:50:59am
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JordanRules  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:51:17am

re: #277 Jay C

It’s no wonder the press is “derelict” when they are laboring under the - probably absolutely correct - assumption that any question whatsoever about the FLOTUS’s health/location, etc. will not only be stonewalled - and likely with sneering dismissal - but let them in for (yet another) round of castigation for “harrassing” or “persecuting” poor Melania over “sensationalized” nonsense (like abusive, intrusive, and uncalled-for questions like “where is she”).

Doesn’t Mrs. T have a scheduled appearance (?today?) at some WH function or other?

That’s no excuse, rather, it’s part of the story. If they allow themselves to be bullied by this regime they’re sabotaging their own profession.

If she has her first public appearance today, thats good. Someone should still run down the full story of her absence and more generally cover her as a Democracy should expect.

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Teukka  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:52:31am

re: #282 Jay C

I know, but it’s still semi-“public”, no? Gold Star Mothers, I think. Are they all going to be required to sign a NDA against admitting that they actually saw Melania Trump?

Wouldn’t surprise me. At all.

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:55:49am
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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:55:52am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

I’ve done some searching around but HRC actually outperformed Obama in some areas. My own district is one of them. It’s kind of why I hate the “Everyone hated Hillary man” bullshit. That just takes some balls. Hillary beat both Bernie and Trump in the popular vote yet both their support base contend that Hillary was hate and they were loved. If I were HRC, I’d have quite a few bones to pick with both Bernie and Trump too.

I should have specified, that was Johnson County totals that had the yam beating Hillary by 3 points. (In 2012, Romney beat Obama in that county by 18 points.)

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:56:15am

re: #276 gocart mozart

[These are the people’s insults. They belong to the people. ]

I heard one on the radio this morning. I don’t know who was speaking, and I’m not sure they were talking about Trump, but this goes in the People’s file:

…a monkey who escaped from a lab doing cocaine research…

I’d make it an orangutan…

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 9:59:33am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

No, it didn’t specifically rule that the Constitution gives a Right to discriminate. But, what it does, is it sets a dangerous precedent other businesses to press this issue much further. Especially in this political climate, with the way this administration riles his followers.

the problem as i see it is the asymmetry in power between the action “im not gonna serve you” - which is here and now, and the redress, generally using the courts, which clearly can take years. and even then wont get you service in that establishment

the “Action” is clearly based in racism or bigotry or some other kind of hatred
when someone goes to the courts over something like this, it’s to protect the next occurence

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:00:06am

re: #279 gocart mozart

Simon’s post is truth, we can no longer tell parody from reality with his assholeishness-in-cheif.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:02:23am

re: #288 BeachDem

I should have specified, that was Johnson County totals that had the yam beating Hillary by 3 points. (In 2012, Romney beat Obama in that county by 18 points.)

We understood each other :)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:03:32am

re: #282 Jay C

I know, but it’s still semi-“public”, no? Gold Star Mothers, I think. Are they all going to be required to sign a NDA against admitting that they actually saw Melania Trump?

Considering how Trump has dragged Gold Star Families, if I was asked I’d refuse to go.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:05:55am

re: #278 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Closed to press.

Time to roll out the new and improved Melania ‘bot. Big appearance tonight.

I understand Japan is doing amazing things these days with lifelike robotics.

Trump seems to ‘like’ Shinzo Abe. Maybe this is why. They hooked The Don up with a better Melania than the original.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:06:27am

re: #222 Citizen K

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Finally!

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:09:00am

I fully expect that this Supreme Court ruling is going to have an effect on certain individuals.
Before the summer is over we will see a case of someone attempting to bar non-whites from their establishments, while citing “religious” grounds.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:10:37am

re: #287 gocart mozart

KT NELSON
@KrangTNelson
mike huckabee, perched in his sagging armchair, types “Nancy Pel-no-si” into a tweet he has been workshopping for several days, before loudly guffawing and taking a huge gulp of mild salsa

11:23 AM - Jun 4, 2018

Mild salsa = watered down ketchup with some black pepper in it. Hot ‘n’ Spicy!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:14:12am

re: #294 ObserverArt

I understand Japan is doing amazing things these days with lifelike robotics.

Pair it with Google’s Duplex and you’re good to go.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:14:19am

re: #297 ObserverArt

Mild salsa = watered down ketchup with some black pepper in it. Hot ‘n’ Spicy!

The stuff I’ve seen is basically chopped tomatoes, onions, and cilantro or some other green leafy thing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:14:49am

The roofer called: He’s putting us on his schedule to fix our roof after the tornado.

We received the advance from our insurance agent a couple days ago, along with a form to fill in if the expenses go above what both the roofer and the insurance adjuster estimated.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:16:17am

So, this morning I read that Trump has declared, in essence, “L’etat c’est totally moi, I can tell you that, believe me!”

So, he believes the President can pardon himself, per Giuliani, that a sitting President can’t be indicted. I’m going to presume here that Trump DOESN’T think he can pardon himself from impeachment. Giuliani thinks Trump pardoning himself means ‘instant impeachment’.

Seems to me that what Mueller could do is to indict Trump on ONE felony, with a sealed indictment held back.

Trump pardons himself for that felony. Congress impeaches, Senate convicts, remaining indictment unsealed once Trump can’t pardon himself anymore.

A man can dream…

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gocart mozart  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:16:36am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:16:37am

re: #296 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I fully expect that this Supreme Court ruling is going to have an effect on certain individuals.
Before the summer is over we will see a case of someone attempting to bar non-whites from their establishments, while citing “religious” grounds.

We’ve been rolling in this direction since the Hobby Lobby case. With businesses granted religious rights, I can see all sorts of claims coming of “My business doesn’t serve X because X is against my deeply held religious beliefs.”

The goal is to tear down the secular state.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:17:59am

re: #299 Belafon

The stuff I’ve seen is basically chopped tomatoes, onions, and cilantro or some other green leafy thing.

Onions? Cilantro?

That is too much for a Huckabee. Hell, the black pepper in watered down Ketchup might be too spicy and be seen as of the devil.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:19:48am

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

So, this morning I read that Trump has declared, in essence, “L’etat c’est totally moi, I can tell you that, believe me!”

So, he believes the President can pardon himself, per Giuliani, that a sitting President can’t be indicted. I’m going to presume here that Trump DOESN’T think he can pardon himself from impeachment. Giuliani thinks Trump pardoning himself means ‘instant impeachment’.

Seems to me that what Mueller could do is to indict Trump on ONE felony, with a sealed indictment held back.

Trump pardons himself for that felony. Congress impeaches, Senate convicts, remaining indictment unsealed once Trump can’t pardon himself anymore.

A man can dream…

Back a few weeks ago, someone (can’t remember now) on one of the MSNBC discussions said that in fact can be done if need be.

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CongoJack  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:19:53am

re: #288 BeachDem

I should have specified, that was Johnson County totals that had the yam beating Hillary by 3 points. (In 2012, Romney beat Obama in that county by 18 points.)

Johnson County is one of (if not the most) wealthy counties in KS. Anytime you see someone from KS in a different state (especially in a state not touching KS) I would venture a guess that the county symbol on the plate is ‘JO’ for Johnson. KS has gone to the dogs as Cox Communication - the cable tv/internet provider in the area gives so called Fox News on their basic package where CNN and MSNBC are on their premium packages. Thus all the low brow people will have access to state media and nothing else. How do I know this? Helped my Mom setup cable tv/internet for my Grandmother in Lincoln, KS - and what they pay for what they get (in terms of speed and TV quality) is horrid - like 3rd world horrid.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:22:15am

re: #305 ObserverArt

Back a few weeks ago, someone (can’t remember now) on one of the MSNBC discussions said that in fact can be done if need be.

Because a pardon has to be specific, right? It can’t be “For any and all possible crimes committed or not committed up to this moment”.

Which reminds me of Richelieu’s warrant in “The Three Musketeers” -

“By my will and for the good of the State, the bearer has done what has been done.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:23:37am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Onions? Cilantro?

That is too much for a Huckabee. Hell, the black pepper in watered down Ketchup might be too spicy and be seen as of the devil.

You know, folks in the South use a lot of hot sauce.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:25:03am

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, folks in the South use a lot of hot sauce.

I imagine the aversion to the exotic sauces to be more of a stereotypical Midwestern thing.

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:26:39am

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, folks in the South use a lot of hot sauce.

They call it ‘hot’ sauce…

/obnoxious New Mexican

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:27:18am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

I imagine the aversion to the exotic sauces to be more of a stereotypical Midwestern thing.

So, there’s really no “‘Aa-HOO-ah!’ Swedish hot sauce, made with ‘yalapeno’ peppers”?
//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:28:02am

re: #310 wrenchwench

They call it ‘hot’ sauce…

/obnoxious New Mexican

Viva chile y salsa verde

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:29:37am

I was checking my email and Yahoo has a story up saying the suspect in the 4 slayings out in Phoenix that had been surrounded by the police earlier ended up killing himself.

Video from NBC Phoenix.

Iframe

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:30:20am

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

So, there’s really no “‘Aa-HOO-ah!’ Swedish hot sauce, made with ‘yalapeno’ peppers”?
//

Heh all I know is when I put a mango habanero sauce on my fish, my grandmother’s reaction. Yeah I know Western Pennsylvanians aren’t Midwestern technically speaking.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:31:48am

re: #308 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, folks in the South use a lot of hot sauce.

Sure…but a Huckabee?

Hot = The Devil!

(Can’t I have some fun with it, sheesh!)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:33:06am

re: #315 ObserverArt

Sure…but a Huckabee?

Hot = The Devil!

(Can’t I have some fun with it, sheesh!)

We know. We’re just teasing back. And to be fair, Arkansas borrows a lot from the Midwest so it’s not like Huck’s a Texan or Louisianan. Not sure what Arkansas is famous for food wise.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:36:16am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

We know. We’re just teasing back. And to be fair, Arkansas borrows a lot from the Midwest so it’s not like Huck’s a Texan or Louisianan. Not sure what Arkansas is famous for food wise.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:38:23am

re: #317 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:38:54am

All this talk of food. Man makes me hungry for some BBQ. I don’t like the South at all politically but man they know how to eat.

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:39:08am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Heh all I know is when I put a mango habanero sauce on my fish, my grandmother’s reaction. Yeah I know Western Pennsylvanians aren’t Midwestern technically speaking.

Close enough for Mr. w, who was born in Western PA because his parents were living on his paternal grandparents’ farm in Ohio and they tried to get to the nearest hospital. They got snowed in, and he was born in his maternal grandmother’s house in a town that blew away many years later, Wheatland, PA

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:39:27am

re: #273 JordanRules

That’s a good thread with so many reminders of how abnormal all of this is. Highlighting how the press is derelict is a smart take.

Nobody saw her go in or out of the hospital. Normally a physician would make a statement yet there was none. Nobody has laid eyes on her since May 10. All we know is her not-her tweets, trump pointing to an empty window and her staff making statements.
8:05 PM - Jun 1, 2018
3 3 Replies 7 7 Retweets 59 59 likes

Wasn’t there a tweet from Eamon Javers claiming he actually saw her in the WH with her staff? I know someone alleged that was a body double, but I don’t think they would be pulling a “Dave” on this.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:42:39am

re: #320 wrenchwench

Close enough for Mr. w, who was born in Western PA because his parents were living on his paternal grandparents’ farm in Ohio and they tried to get to the nearest hospital. They got snowed in, and he was born in his maternal grandmother’s house in a town that blew away many years later, Wheatland, PA

There’s a lot I like about Western Pa eating- I love pierogis, kielbasa, french fries, coleslaw, but there’s not a whole lot of spice. My one brother is less adventurous. My other brother is really adventurous to the point he tried the Guinea Pig in Peru visiting his wife’s extended family.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:43:43am

re: #307 Blind Frog Belly White

Because a pardon has to be specific, right? It can’t be “For any and all possible crimes committed or not committed up to this moment”.

Which reminds me of Richelieu’s warrant in “The Three Musketeers” -

Was Ford’s pardon of Nixon that specific?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:44:08am

I’m looking at RFK quotes today and man this one stands out:

There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed.

That’s very poignant to our present.

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JordanRules  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:44:33am

re: #321 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t there a tweet from Eamon Javers claiming he actually saw her in the WH with her staff? I know someone alleged that was a body double, but I don’t think they would be pulling a “Dave” on this.

I don’t know. The thread I was reading was from a few days ago tho.

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garzooma  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:44:39am

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

So, this morning I read that Trump has declared, in essence, “L’etat c’est totally moi, I can tell you that, believe me!” […]

Adam Schiff says that in the midterm elections “The very idea of America is at stake”

On the other hand, Jon Stewart claims that “We don’t really give a fuck about Russia.”

One of these guys is wrong, and it’s not Schiff.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:47:19am

re: #273 JordanRules

That’s a good thread with so many reminders of how abnormal all of this is. Highlighting how the press is derelict is a smart take.

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there are a thousand ways this could be or have been trivially resolved
she is the wife of the head of state
she has an office, a title and official staff
she also has responsibilities as hostess of the White House, and is also in charge of all social and ceremonial events of the White House.

its deliberate now. they are egging on the mystery

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BeachDem  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:48:06am

Lovely—manhunt on within a block of my place for a shooter who apparently crashed a car? (not the most coherent local reporters.) Guess I’ll stay inside for a while…

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jeffreyw  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:49:03am
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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:49:10am

re: #327 dangerman

there are a thousand ways this could be or have been trivially resolved
she is the wife of the head of state
she has an office, a title and official staff
she also has responsibilities as hostess of the White House, and is also in charge of all social and ceremonial events of the White House.

its deliberate now. they are egging on the mystery

She does not have a paid position. Yet she is on strike for better…something…

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:49:38am

re: #323 Hecuba’s daughter

Was Ford’s pardon of Nixon that specific?

for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

Proclamation 4311

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:50:01am

re: #326 garzooma

Adam Schiff says that in the midterm elections “The very idea of America is at stake”

On the other hand, Jon Stewart claims that “We don’t really give a fuck about Russia.”

One of these guys is wrong, and it’s not Schiff.

Trump voters and GOP in general are in line with Jon. Let’s see if November voters agree.

And I am very concerned about the damage that can happen in California tomorrow due to their primary voting scheme. Just remember: district that is 70% Democratic but has 10 D running vs 2 GOP — the 10 D each get 7%, the 2 GOP get 15%; and the November ballot has 2 Republicans. Extreme example but very possible

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:51:55am

re: #331 dangerman

Proclamation 4311

…for all offenses…

I remember it as being deliberately vague. One of those would not be enough for Trump.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:53:28am

re: #330 wrenchwench

They’re keeping the divorce secret.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:53:29am

re: #325 JordanRules

I don’t know. The thread I was reading was from a few days ago tho.

See the following — toward the end cnbc.com

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:53:45am

re: #330 wrenchwench

She does not have a paid position. Yet she is on strike for better…something…

that’s true. and it’s never been codified
this is not a ‘family matter’ by any means
it is an official role and if she’s not doing it someone else pretty much has to
before we get to that point, at the moment she is the ‘office holder’ and the wife of the head of state. if she (and therefore he is compromised) we have an absolute right and need to know wtf is going on

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:54:14am

A reminder from the rules for dealing with an autocracy:

Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says.

Rule #4: Be outraged. If you follow Rule #1 and believe what the autocrat-elect is saying, you will not be surprised. But in the face of the impulse to normalize, it is essential to maintain one’s capacity for shock. This will lead people to call you unreasonable and hysterical, and to accuse you of overreacting. It is no fun to be the only hysterical person in the room. Prepare yourself.

And I take outraged to mean angry, not just shocked.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:55:10am

re: #321 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t there a tweet from Eamon Javers claiming he actually saw her in the WH with her staff? I know someone alleged that was a body double, but I don’t think they would be pulling a “Dave” on this.

There was, yesterday. He also said there was another reporter with him who also saw the First Lady. That reporter has not said anything about it.

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Jay C  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:55:23am

re: #327 dangerman

its deliberate now. they are egging on the mystery

Which I wouldn’t put past this Administration’s assclown staff - keep Melania out of the public eye for a while (for whatever reason - surgery recovery?) - then have her pop up smiling at some WH event just so they can go “Ha ha! Here she is! She’s fine! Suck it, Fake News Press!!

Why a FLOTUS would go along with something like this is another, questionable, issue: but then again, this IS someone who married Donald Trump….

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jaunte  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:55:31am
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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:56:25am

re: #334 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

They’re keeping the divorce secret.

Back in the day they used to publish divorce notices in the paper, after births, deaths, and marriages. Things were more symmetric…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 10:58:05am

re: #333 wrenchwench

I remember it as being deliberately vague. One of those would not be enough for Trump.

Vague enough to cover every and all crimes that Trump has committed. The question is whether he could be charged on the state level.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:01:47am

re: #335 Hecuba’s daughter

See the following — toward the end cnbc.com

Saw the tweet from the reporter in your CNBC link and followed it to his current tweets and saw this…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:04:37am

re: #315 ObserverArt

Sure…but a Huckabee?

Hot = The Devil!

(Can’t I have some fun with it, sheesh!)

Pedants R Us.

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Jay C  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:05:13am

re: #340 jaunte

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And just to add to the outrage: I read in a piece on the Merkley incident on dKos that the “blacked-out” detention facility in question isn’t even a government operation, but is run by a “private non-profit*” company.

*Yeah, right! A real dedicated public charity, I’m sure…//////

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Dave In Austin  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:05:50am

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

Milk Toast Salsa!!

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jaunte  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:06:18am

re: #345 Jay C

You know there has to be an enrichment angle in there somewhere.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:07:10am

From that Rules for Autocrats list at the New York Review of Books noted above is this little gem:

Rule #6: Remember the future. Nothing lasts forever. Donald Trump certainly will not, and Trumpism, to the extent that it is centered on Trump’s persona, will not either. Failure to imagine the future may have lost the Democrats this election. They offered no vision of the future to counterbalance Trump’s all-too-familiar white-populist vision of an imaginary past. They had also long ignored the strange and outdated institutions of American democracy that call out for reform—like the electoral college, which has now cost the Democratic Party two elections in which Republicans won with the minority of the popular vote. That should not be normal. But resistance—stubborn, uncompromising, outraged—should be.

Bolded part is bull.

Hillary Clinton did in fact offer more than “I’m not Trump.” The television press wanted to show an empty podium instead of her. They cut away from her when Trump came on. Joe Scarborough let Trump phone it in day after day.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:11:48am

re: #320 wrenchwench

Close enough for Mr. w, who was born in Western PA because his parents were living on his paternal grandparents’ farm in Ohio and they tried to get to the nearest hospital. They got snowed in, and he was born in his maternal grandmother’s house in a town that blew away many years later, Wheatland, PA

I am sitting about 4 miles from Wheatland right now.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:11:53am
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Weaselone  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:12:13am

re: #348 Anymouse 🌹

Taco Trucks on Every Corner! Seriously, we even had cutesy shorthand for what Democrats wanted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:12:53am

re: #351 Weaselone

Taco Trucks on Every Corner! Seriously, we even had cutesy shorthand for what Democrats wanted.

And that was provided by a Trump supporter.

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lawhawk  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:13:11am

re: #270 gocart mozart

Following up:

Kim: I want McDonalds
Trump: Okay, sure. Would you like fries with that?
Kim: I mean a franchise.
Trump: Right away.
Kim:
Trump:
Kim:
Trump: Anything else?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:13:31am
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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:14:22am

re: #349 Eventual Carrion

I am sitting about 4 miles from Wheatland right now.

Is it windy?

/

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:16:56am

re: #350 Stanley Sea

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Oh great…so TPM now has ‘prime’ member content. No can read.

Can you give us a quick summation Stanley?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:18:32am

I’m a big fan of the Lambeosaurus with a gatling gun

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:18:35am

re: #351 Weaselone

Taco Trucks on Every Corner! Seriously, we even had cutesy shorthand for what Democrats wanted.

I believe there was an animation for it as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:20:05am

I’m not a lawyer, but this doesn’t read like a “rousing defence” of public accommodation laws. Justice Kennedy specifically refers to protected classes rather than everyone.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:20:35am

re: #343 ObserverArt

Saw the tweet from the reporter in your CNBC link and followed it to his current tweets and saw this…

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Because to ask tRump to do the right thing would be be too much to expect.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:20:49am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Must. Visit. This. Awesomeness.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:21:26am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:23:05am

re: #356 ObserverArt

Oh great…so TPM now has ‘prime’ member content. No can read.

Can you give us a quick summation Stanley?

“Prime membership?” So according to their page I have to register as a poverty-stricken person to read certain articles on their site? I’ll pass.

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CongoJack  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:23:24am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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*claps hands*

Well that is my stupid for the day.

Why the hell would they build this?

And you can only milk mammals, not reptiles/lizards.

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:23:52am

re: #364 CongoJack

*claps hands*

Well that is my stupid for the day.

Why the hell would they build this?

And you can only milk mammals, not reptiles/lizards.

But what about birds?!!! ////

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:24:20am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

The first line of the Justice Dept. memo from 1974:

“Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the president cannot pardon himself.”

Read the memo here: justice.gov
12:53 PM - Jun 4, 2018

That was written by a Justice Department before the Supreme Court was filled with Federalist Society hacks

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Belafon  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:25:08am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

When Trump is gone, I would not only want to codify this with an amendment, but make it so that no president can pardon any cabinet member, advisor, or family member.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:25:46am

re: #362 The Vicious Babushka

Unconstitutional! My lawyer Rudy says!! Very unfair!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:25:47am

re: #364 CongoJack

*claps hands*

Well that is my stupid for the day.

Why the hell would they build this?

And you can only milk mammals, not reptiles/lizards.

WRONG!!!!!!
menshealth.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:26:16am

re: #361 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Must. Visit. This. Awesomeness.

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dangerman  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:27:34am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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who knew that dinosaurs were mammals

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jaunte  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:28:57am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ve never seen anyone milk a Chainlinkosaur before.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:30:27am

Sherman’s March with dinosaurs. Ah yes, Omaha Beach with Terminators and Valley Forge with tanks and Falleujah with armed monkeys.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:31:15am

re: #355 wrenchwench

Is it windy?

/

Actually is, and overcast.

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wrenchwench  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:32:08am

re: #374 Eventual Carrion

Actually is, and overcast.

Stay safe!

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:33:17am

re: #360 Eventual Carrion

Because to ask tRump to do the right thing would be be too much to expect.

Yeah, I thought that tweet was a good example of what anyone in the Trump administration still thinking of our laws and procedures has to go through dealing with man-child Trump. I bet everything is like this.

Trump is not only a major asshole, he is also a brat that thinks everything is there for him to test, bend and break.

And then when he screws up bad, he puts the blame on someone else.

Oh, the books that will be written once he is gone from office.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:33:33am

re: #354 Shropshire Slasher

got me for 8 of the 17 minutes

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:33:34am

Sent to TPM:

So for one of your new limited-number “poverty accounts” I have to give my full name and a bloody essay about why I think I “deserve” access?

I have difficulty imagining something more tone deaf. On the other hand, I have no trouble imagining ignoring your Website from now on. I do not need to justify my poverty.

What they require: Name, E-mail, birth date, and a hundred word essay on why you should get one of their “limited-quantity” accounts.

We want to make sure credit memberships go to the TPM readers who need them the most, so we ask that applicants explain their situation and why they would like a credit membership in 100 words or less. They are available to all full-time students, senior citizens on fixed incomes, and those experiencing financial hardship of all sorts.

It would appear the application page does not comply with the GDPR either (why do they need your name and birth date for example)

talkingpointsmemo.com (application page)

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CongoJack  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:33:41am

re: #369 Dave In Austin

WRONG!!!!!!
menshealth.com

Aaaannnd gross.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:36:21am

re: #370 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That is some truly spectacular weapons-grade idiocy right there. I’m genuinely impressed - and horrified.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:37:02am

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Sherman’s March with dinosaurs. Ah yes, Omaha Beach with Terminators and Valley Forge with tanks and Falleujah with armed monkeys.

And sharks with frickin’ laser beams.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:37:03am

re: #356 ObserverArt

Oh great…so TPM now has ‘prime’ member content. No can read.

Can you give us a quick summation Stanley?

I pay for it

I was reminded of this this morning when Natasha Bertrand, then of Business Insider and now of The Atlantic, tweeted out a link to a piece she wrote a year ago. The gist is this. The night before the President dictated that bogus cover story about Russian adoptions he’d met privately with Vladimir Putin and discussed, by his own account, Russian adoptions!

As Bertrand notes, the fact that this meeting happened “the night before Trump reportedly crafted his son’s statement about the Trump Tower meeting raises questions about whether Putin played a role, directly or indirectly, in influencing the version of events Trump’s team relayed to the press.”

To me, though, it actually goes a bit beyond this, actually a lot beyond this. It seems all but certain that Trump knew The New York Times was about to publish a story on the Trump Tower meeting before he met with Putin. Indeed, the way the meeting came about strongly suggests he had something he felt he needed to discuss privately with Putin out of earshot of other Americans.

More details if you’re a prime member.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:39:03am

re: #378 Anymouse 🌹

By posting TPM here I certainly didn’t invite you griping to them.

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ObserverArt  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:39:13am

re: #382 Stanley Sea

I pay for it

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More details if you’re a prime member.

Thanks Stanley! Much appreciated.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:40:29am

re: #383 Stanley Sea

By posting TPM here I certainly didn’t invite you griping to them.

Maybe it’s time for me to join TPM prime.

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Ferdinand  Jun 4, 2018 • 11:48:29am

re: #378 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve been a member for a couple years after reading TPM since before 9/11. They’re good folks trying to do genuine ad free quality content. The Prime only content is I’d guess only about 5% of their stuff, mostly weekly big think pieces. They’ve had Prime for about 5 years, so obviously you can be a frequent site reader and not even notice. YMMV. Pax.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 4, 2018 • 12:15:16pm

re: #359 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not a lawyer, but this doesn’t read like a “rousing defence” of public accommodation laws. Justice Kennedy specifically refers to protected classes rather than everyone.

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Public accommodation law is about ensuring access for protected classes and not everyone. You can refuse to do business with anyone unless its for an illegal reason, such as race, age, sex, religion, etc.


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