Trump’s Plan for the North Korean Summit: Play It by Ear, Who Needs Preparation?

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Are you worried about the Trump-thing’s “summit meeting” with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Un? It’s only nuclear war at stake, after all!

Well, fret not, dear reader! Because we learn today that instead of relying on old-school liberal concepts like planning and preparation, Trump is going to wing it.

Since Trump agreed on a whim to meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un on March 8, the White House’s summit planning has been unstructured, according to a half-dozen administration officials. Trump himself has driven the preparation almost exclusively on his own, consulting little with his national security team beyond Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who has made two visits to Pyongyang to meet with Kim personally. Trump has also not presided personally over a meeting of those senior NSC officials, as a president typically does when making the most important decisions.

Senior officials from both the Barack Obama and George W. Bush administrations called the absence of a formal interagency process before such a consequential meeting troubling.

So just chill. It’s under control.

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156 comments
1
unproven innocence  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:29:03pm

What could go wrong?

2
Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:29:42pm
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Kragar  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:30:03pm

Remember when we had a President whose goal wasn’t to destroy the United States?

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Unabogie  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:30:57pm

Honestly, he should just as the Ambassador to South Korea to brief him. I’m sure if we reach out to … [checks notes] … holy Buddha this moron hasn’t even nominated anyone for the post.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:32:23pm

In which Donald J. Trump borrows from the great Timmy Turner: “What could POSSIBLY go wrong?!”

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Unabogie  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:35:31pm

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

At least the coal plants won’t pollute us here in Oregon. Maybe this really is how Darwin will get the last laugh.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:37:24pm

Line of thunderstorms north to south along the Nebr-Wyo line from South Dakota to Colorado, marching eastwards. Yay (no).

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:44:40pm

Renault FT. The brain child of a car maker and an artillery officer, it changed the world.

Now, 100 years later, one has been restored to running condition.

As an old tanker, this warms my heart.

the wwi tank that helped change warfare forever

I don’t know how to embed BBC video but if you have an interest in old machines, it’s interesting to watch.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:54:08pm

Live Ontario election results will post here:

macleans.ca

The polls in Ontario close in a few minutes.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:54:19pm

Sobering thread…

…

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:56:51pm
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A dark and stormy covfefe  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:58:38pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

The sane portion of Ontario now knows how the sane portion of the US felt about a year and a half ago.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:59:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2018 • 5:59:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:01:32pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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I really enjoyed Welcome Interstate Managers. Agree. They’re quite underrated.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:02:04pm

re: #11 JordanRules

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I really wish he would just shut the fuck up for once about how everything is “unfair” and blah blah.

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lawhawk  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:03:05pm

re: #13 JordanRules

That’s precisely what they’re saying.

And the GOP is now intent on screwing 1 in 4 people in the nation who have a preexisting condition.

Everyone in the country knows someone with a preexisting condition. It could be diabetes. High blood pressure. Cancer. Asthma. All of it.

And Trump’s intent on letting insurers price you out of coverage if you have preexisting coverage.

Trump doesn’t care. The GOP doesn’t care.

This isn’t pro life. This is a bunch of feckless cunts being evil.

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Dizzy  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:03:10pm

re: #12 A dark and stormy covfefe

The sane portion of Ontario now knows how the sane portion of the US felt about a year and a half ago.

I’ve been in a fowl mood all day. I sincerely fear for my province and my family’s well-being. The political options are not great; the 3 main parties are terribly, terribly flawed. I don’t broadcast who I voted for, but I can say that my vote at least nullified one that was for the right-wing, populist, trump-like moron.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:04:08pm

Polls are now closed in Ontario, except seven ridings where there were computer problems.
newsinteractives.cbc.ca

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BeachDem  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:04:34pm

Why the fuck is he going at all? (And is he taking Vanky with him to talk about empowering women, because she is so fucking good at that)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:04:41pm
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lawhawk  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:05:08pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I pass by the namesake location all the time. It’s now an electronics store.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:05:54pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I really wish he would just shut the fuck up for once about how everything is “unfair” and blah blah.

I imagine there are a few contractors out there who stopped fighting him for full payment of services rendered because they wanted him to just STFU and quit whining. Won’t work on this level dotard.

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lawhawk  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:07:00pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Anyone who thinks Trump has improved US national security is lying to themselves.

And they’re also probably the ones lying to Trump too - because they’re the only ones who could possibly think that alienating our allies, starting a trade war with our allies and strategic partners, and refusing to confront Russia while the Russians are intent on disrupting elections in the US and the rest of our allies, is good for the US.

These folks claim to be patriots?

Patriots for what country, because it certainly isn’t the US.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:07:07pm

re: #23 JordanRules

I imagine there are a few contractors out there who stopped fighting him for full payment of services rendered because they wanted him to just STFU and quit whining. Won’t work on this level dotard.

I cannot believe we’re in a dispute with Canada. This guy has a reverse Midas touch. Everything he touches turns to shit. He’s been lucky to have been coasting with Obama’s economy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:11:48pm

The thunderstorm in Scott’s Bluff County which triggered the severe thunderstorm warning here stopped moving half an hour ago. It’s sitting on the county line increasing in size.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:11:49pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Can I just point out, if he wants to claim that Canada is some kind of threat to national security…

between us and them is the longest undefended international border IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. 2500-miles, that people can just walk across. Or ride their horses. Or go by cross-country skis at some times of year. Rowboats across the great lakes.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:13:38pm

And they’ve just declared the Tories the winner. At least one province can’t laugh at the States any more.

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Jay C  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:14:02pm

re: #8 William Lewis

Renault FT. The brain child of a car maker and an artillery officer, it changed the world.

Now, 100 years later, one has been restored to running condition.

As an old tanker, this warms my heart.

the wwi tank that helped change warfare forever

I don’t know how to embed BBC video but if you have an interest in old machines, it’s interesting to watch.

I don’t recall where I read it (and the BBC doesn’t mention), but i heard that when US troops invaded Afghanistan in 2002, they found a couple of FT’s in an armory in Kabul: unused, but still functional. Which had to have been the last of those babies still on active duty, as it were….

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:14:16pm

re: #17 lawhawk

This is one of the reasons I went with the VA clinic in town as my only provider rather than wasting money I don’t have on insurance. It has it’s limitations, especially under the current regime, but I paid my premiums previously over 16 years.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:14:38pm

re: #24 lawhawk

Anyone who thinks Trump has improved US national security is lying to themselves.

And they’re also probably the ones lying to Trump too - because they’re the only ones who could possibly think that alienating our allies, starting a trade war with our allies and strategic partners, and refusing to confront Russia while the Russians are intent on disrupting elections in the US and the rest of our allies, is good for the US.

These folks claim to be patriots?

Patriots for what country, because it certainly isn’t the US.

Conservatism is about gaining and maintaining power. Nothing else. They are currently interested in tightening their grip on the US. If that isolates our nation or hobbles our economy, that doesn’t matter as long as power is gained and maintained.

It’s why Nixon engaged in lawbreaking. It’s why Reagan did the same. It’s why GW Bush launched a war against a nation which did us no harm.

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:16:20pm

re: #29 Jay C

I don’t recall where I read it (and the BBC doesn’t mention), but i heard that when US troops invaded Afghanistan in 2002, they found a couple of FT’s in an armory in Kabul: unused, but still functional. Which had to have been the last of those babies still on active duty, as it were….

Not fully functional but the Polish NATO contingent took them home (Bought from France in 1920, fought the Soviets, captured and given to the Afghan government by the Soviets.) They have at least one of them running now.

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BeachDem  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:18:14pm

re: #24 lawhawk

Anyone who thinks Trump has improved US national security is lying to themselves.

And they’re also probably the ones lying to Trump too - because they’re the only ones who could possibly think that alienating our allies, starting a trade war with our allies and strategic partners, and refusing to confront Russia while the Russians are intent on disrupting elections in the US and the rest of our allies, is good for the US.

These folks claim to be patriots?

Patriots for what country, because it certainly isn’t the US.

And remember how much support Nikki’s been getting at the UN of late. Sigh. (but she’s TAKING NAMES again.)

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Stanley Sea  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:20:33pm
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MsJ  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:29:16pm

re: #28 A dark and stormy covfefe

And they’ve just declared the Tories the winner. At least one province can’t laugh at the States any more.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:30:42pm

Victoria’s Secret manager calls cops on black woman forced to return bra with security tag on it — and has her handcuffed (Raw Story, more at the link):

A black Tennessee woman accused a Victoria’s Secret manager of racially profiling her after she attempted to return a bra that still had a security sensor on it.

According to WREG, Jovita Jones Cage said she purchased the bra at Victoria’s Secret in Collierville, but was forced to bring it back when she discovered the security tag was still on the item once she got home.

Jones Cage described what happened next after handing an employee her purchase and explaining the problem.

“She got the receipts out and was able to find the right one and remove the sensor. I told her she could keep the bag there, because I was going to go shopping around the store,” Cage explained.

Shortly after, Jones Cage began shopping she was greeted by a police officer who immediately handcuffed her without question.

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gocart mozart  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:32:17pm
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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:35:35pm
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Belafon  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:36:46pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

She must have broken the law. That’s why she never returned it. Oh, wait…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:39:42pm

re: #38 JordanRules

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Stanley Sea  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:40:07pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:41:08pm

Rachel reporting that the Senate Intelligence Committee has seized a New York Times reporter’s email and phone records in Intelligence Leak investigation. Apparently they have surveilled her for some time.

Hmmm. Is this Trump’s folks looking for leakers in a dishonest way? And is the NYT cool with this?

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gocart mozart  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:42:15pm
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freetoken  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:42:18pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

I suspect they are looking for any leakers, so Trump can rant endlessly about leakers trying to spy on him.

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ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:43:01pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Fountains of Wayne don’t get the credit they deserve.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:46:45pm

Here it comes …

This is getting old… .
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Belafon  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:46:57pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Rachel reporting that the Senate Intelligence Committee has seized a New York Times reporter’s email and phone records in Intelligence Leak investigation. Apparently that have surveilled her for some time.

Hmmm. Is this Trump’s folks looking for leakers in a dishonest way? And is the NYT cool with this?

Reading the article upthread, a subpoena was issues, and no, they’re not comfortable with it, though they didn’t seem to put up a whole lot of resistance. The reporter supposedly received the information before she worked for the NYT.

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freetoken  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:47:48pm

As I wrote earlier today, if our society was not in the midst of an apocalypse of ignorance radiating from the White House and filling the mind-space of news consumers, the following news from today would have garnered more headlines:

New Mars Science Results

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ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:48:42pm

re: #47 Belafon

Reading the article upthread, a subpoena was issues, and no, they’re not comfortable with it, though they didn’t seem to put up a whole lot of resistance. The reporter supposedly received the information before she worked for the NYT.

Buzzfeed was it not?

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BeachDem  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:50:04pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Rachel reporting that the Senate Intelligence Committee has seized a New York Times reporter’s email and phone records in Intelligence Leak investigation. Apparently that have surveilled her for some time.

Hmmm. Is this Trump’s folks looking for leakers in a dishonest way? And is the NYT cool with this?

That Rachel segment with the former Justice guy needs to be spread far and wide, as the loons are already blaming Obama. According to him (Matt Somebody? Can’t remember last name) in the early days of the Obama administration, they wanted to stop leaks, but once the realized it wasn’t right to surveil reporters, they put some restrictions in place that gave the reporters the opportunity to know what was going on and challenge. He said the restrictions are still in place (although Sessions has looked at/thought about rescinding them.)

Sorry if I have terms wrong—was trying to keep it straight as he was talking.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:50:10pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Rachel reporting that the Senate Intelligence Committee has seized a New York Times reporter’s email and phone records in Intelligence Leak investigation. Apparently they have surveilled her for some time.

Hmmm. Is this Trump’s folks looking for leakers in a dishonest way? And is the NYT cool with this?

DoJ

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Skip Intro  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:51:17pm

re: #44 freetoken

I suspect they are looking for any leakers, so Trump can rant endlessly about leakers trying to spy on him.

I suspect he’s going to do more than rant.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:51:26pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

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You’d think they’d have learned by now to use DropBox, or similar services, so the seizures wouldn’t have any identifying information.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:51:29pm

re: #48 freetoken

As I wrote earlier today, if our society was not in the midst of an apocalypse of ignorance radiating from the White House and filling the mind-space of news consumers, the following news from today would have garnered more headlines:

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My son, who’s doing graduate studies in chemistry, points out that the discovery of Thiophene is the big story. We’ve seen hydrocarbons elsewhere, but this one is much more unique.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:52:33pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

Rachel reporting that the Senate Intelligence Committee has seized a New York Times reporter’s email and phone records in Intelligence Leak investigation. Apparently they have surveilled her for some time.

Hmmm. Is this Trump’s folks looking for leakers in a dishonest way? And is the NYT cool with this?

See #34 above. NYT is not okay with it, but they blame Obama.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:55:48pm

The congressional Republicans who refuse to stop this are traitors to the nation.

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Citizen K  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:56:51pm

So Doug Ford apparently won?

This pretty much puts the right wing fever wave as even more fucking successful as ever and spreading non-stop at this point, doesn’t it? There’s literally no fucking stopping it anymore, huh.

Between this, the apparent strangling of the ACA by the DoJ, and the EPA deciding that it’s just fucking hunky dory with asbestos now after Trump called asbestos poisoning a ‘mob conspiracy’….fuck it. I should have stayed in fucking bed. I’m not even sure November is going to fix anything at this point.

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BeachDem  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:57:52pm

re: #55 Renaissance_Man

See #34 above. NYT is not okay with it, but they blame Obama.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:58:49pm

re: #57 Citizen K

So Doug Ford apparently won?

This pretty much puts the right wing fever wave as even more fucking successful as ever and spreading non-stop at this point, doesn’t it? There’s literally no fucking stopping it anymore, huh.

Between this, the apparent strangling of the ACA by the DoJ, and the EPA deciding that it’s just fucking hunky dory with asbestos now after Trump called asbestos poisoning a ‘mob conspiracy’….fuck it. I should have stayed in fucking bed. I’m not even sure November is going to fix anything at this point.

Yeah, Virginia passing Medicaid expansion was nothing.

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:59:07pm

re: #57 Citizen K

I have a nice 750ml bottle of cheap red (free, from my most recent familial care package) that I decided would be good tonight because of all of the above.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:59:15pm

re: #55 Renaissance_Man

See #34 above. NYT is not okay with it, but they blame Obama.

You caught that? But whaddya know…under that administration the branches of Gov’t worked like they were supposed to and tried to fix some of the problems.

When law enforcement officials obtained journalists’ records during the Obama administration, members of Congress in both parties sounded alarms, and the moves touched off such a firestorm among advocates for press freedom that helped prompt the Justice Department to rewrite its relevant guidelines.

But the Times can’t tell us yet if this regime used those guidelines I guess. SMH

It is not clear whether investigators exhausted all of their avenues of information before confiscating Ms. Watkins’s information.

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mmmirele  Jun 7, 2018 • 6:59:30pm

re: #8 William Lewis

Renault FT. The brain child of a car maker and an artillery officer, it changed the world.

Now, 100 years later, one has been restored to running condition.

As an old tanker, this warms my heart.

the wwi tank that helped change warfare forever

I don’t know how to embed BBC video but if you have an interest in old machines, it’s interesting to watch.

Thanks for sharing this. This is really interesting and should not be passed up. There are two videos; the second is a 360 view around the tank with annotations as it’s running.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:00:08pm

Some positives in the Ontario election, when it comes to who won’t be elected:

-Andrew Lawton, your generic right-wing radio babbler, lost handily in his riding. He tried to blame his bigoted statements on mental illness. Then more stuff came out from after that time period.
-Troy Crowder, a former NHL tough guy who believed science proved the existence of ghosts, got trounced harder than in his rematches with Bob Probert.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:01:32pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:02:58pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson
✔
@Green_Footballs
Set up an iTunes smart playlist for all my Fountains of Wayne songs (an even 100), and I’m astounded all over by how great these songs are. Lyrics so deep they might make you weep, smart changes and excellent playing all around. One of the most underrated bands.

When the album Welcome Interstate Managers came out, I was listening to it a lot in the car while I drove back and forth to my parent’s house as my mom was dying of leukemia. It hit me on one of those drives that the song “All Kinds of Time” was about the moment of accepting death. It’s an impossibly sorrowful song and I’d start crying every time it got to the guitar solo. I see that one of the YouTube postings for the song is from the show “Scrubs”. I don’t know how they used it for the show, but it doesn’t surprise me that it was used for a program about working in an ER.

SCRUBS - Fountains Of Wayne - All Kinds of Time (S4E13)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:02:59pm
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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:03:14pm

re: #60 William Lewis

I have a nice 750ml bottle of cheap red (free, from my most recent familial care package) that I decided would be good tonight because of all of the above.

And in that mood, here’s another underappreciated band, the Boomtown Rats:

The Boomtown Rats - When the night comes

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BeachDem  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:04:53pm

re: #61 JordanRules

You caught that? But whaddya know…under that administration the branches of Gov’t worked like they were supposed to and tried to fix some of the problems.

But the Times can’t tell us yet if this regime used those guidelines I guess. SMH

If only the NYT could figure out some way to blame it all on Hillary, they’d be happy as pigs in shit.

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sagehen  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:07:11pm

re: #57 Citizen K

So Doug Ford apparently won?

This pretty much puts the right wing fever wave as even more fucking successful as ever and spreading non-stop at this point, doesn’t it? There’s literally no fucking stopping it anymore, huh.

Between this, the apparent strangling of the ACA by the DoJ, and the EPA deciding that it’s just fucking hunky dory with asbestos now after Trump called asbestos poisoning a ‘mob conspiracy’….fuck it. I should have stayed in fucking bed. I’m not even sure November is going to fix anything at this point.

I know for an absolute, demonstrable fact that asbestos manufacturers have known since the 1930’s that asbestos is a hideously dangerous thing. Lethal in all cases; some die faster than others, but EVERYBODY who breathes it in dies from it.

In the 1930’s, the Asbestos Manufacturers Council commissioned medical studies about it; they deliberately suppressed publication of those studies. They had Board meetings where they discussed that replacing workers was cheaper than giving them breathing masks and other protective gear.

They kept meticulous records of all of this. The Sumner-Simpson Documents only became public in the late 1970’s/early 1980’s. Had Sumner and Simpson still been alive, they’d have been on the hook for more than 100,000 murders. Instead, their companies and all the other companies have spent the last 40 years paying off civil suits.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:09:53pm

re: #69 sagehen

I know for an absolute, demonstrable fact that asbestos manufacturers have known since the 1930’s that asbestos is a hideously dangerous thing. Lethal in all cases; some die faster than others, but EVERYBODY who breathes it in dies from it.

In the 1930’s, the Asbestos Manufacturers Council commissioned medical studies about it; they deliberately suppressed publication of those studies. They had Board meetings where they discussed that replacing workers was cheaper than giving them breathing masks and other protective gear.

They kept meticulous records of all of this. The Sumner-Simpson Documents only became public in the late 1970’s/early 1980’s. Had Sumner and Simpson still been alive, they’d have been on the hook for more than 100,000 murders. Instead, their companies and all the other companies have spent the last 40 years paying off civil suits.

My dad DIED from asbestosis.

Puck Fruitt
Huck Him to Fell

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:10:21pm
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A dark and stormy covfefe  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:10:44pm

The winning MPP for the neighbouring riding? Mike Harris Jr. Not in the sense that he’s a clone of the right-wing nutjob premier, but his literal offspring.

Dear. Fucking. God.

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b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:10:49pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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and on cue:

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freetoken  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:10:59pm

I guess I’m easily boggled, as why would a party self-label as “progressive conservative”, unless the only goal is to trigger people via words?

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Interesting Times  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:12:34pm

*laugh-cry emoticon goes here*

Though I’ll certainly have to remember that nickname and use it profusely…

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:12:52pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:13:30pm

re: #68 BeachDem

If only the NYT could figure out some way to blame it all on Hillary, they’d be happy as pigs in shit.

Obama is a proxy for Clinton…donchaknow.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:14:25pm

re: #75 Interesting Times

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BeachDem  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:16:31pm

re: #71 JordanRules

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Whew—had to read that a few times to figure out the plaintiffs are the assholes (I figured that had to be the case by looking at the list and seeing that South Carolina was among the miscreants.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:16:41pm

I was really hoping that Ontario voters would have learned from our mistake…

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:17:44pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump voters can just get into their canoes and watch the hurricanes, like we do in Houston.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:18:17pm

re: #70 Joe Bacon 🌹

My dad DIED from asbestosis.

Puck Fruitt
Huck Him to Fell

I am on the VA’s monitoring program for asbestos (due to shipboard lagging made from it aboard the John F Kennedy and Saratoga when I was stationed on those ships).

My power went off and came back … I’m not sure how much longer we’ll be on line here …

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ObserverArt  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:18:35pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

I was really hoping that Ontario voters would have learned from our mistake…

It’s crazy all over. Sometimes the whole world goes off the deep end at the same time.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:21:10pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:21:15pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

I was really hoping that Ontario voters would have learned from our mistake…

My fear even before tonight was that the opposite would happen - Cheeto Benito emboldened other demagogues, and the grotesque, normalizing MSM coverage lowers the standard for everyone.

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calochortus  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:21:55pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

It’s crazy all over. Sometimes the whole world goes off the deep end at the same time.

Yeah. The entire world is changing and people who can’t cope with that just want to go back to their childhoods when everything was safe.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:22:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:26:04pm

Power went out and came back on a second time. It really doesn’t sound good outside. May need to take cover.

wunderground.com

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:27:34pm
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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:28:50pm

Damnet. Such a tragic story.

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Citizen K  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:28:53pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

It’s crazy all over. Sometimes the whole world goes off the deep end at the same time.

re: #87 calochortus

Yeah. The entire world is changing and people who can’t cope with that just want to go back to their childhoods when everything was safe.

And it seems like it’s only going to get worse before it gets even worse.

Meanwhile the US is on the light-speed backslide from which we may never recover, both domestically and internationally.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:32:32pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:32:42pm

Another thunderstorm warning just went up for us. Rotating thunderstorm eight miles away from town coming right at us. If I disappear, it was nice knowing y’all.

wunderground.com

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:33:58pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

1914 in Sarajevo to 1945 in Nagasaki for certain. Arguably till November 9, 1989.

That was the real extent of the 1st world war.

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calochortus  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:34:48pm

re: #92 Citizen K

And it seems like it’s only going to get worse before it gets even worse.

Meanwhile the US is on the light-speed backslide from which we may never recover, both domestically and internationally.

I’m more hopeful than you apparently.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:37:12pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

Another thunderstorm warning just went up for us. Rotating thunderstorm eight miles away from town coming right at us. If I disappear, it was nice knowing y’all.

wunderground.com

We’re not that lucky. //

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:37:51pm

re: #92 Citizen K

And it seems like it’s only going to get worse before it gets even worse.

Meanwhile the US is on the light-speed backslide from which we may never recover, both domestically and internationally.

Every empire ends. 1898 (stealing Cuba, Puerto Rico & the Philippine Islands from Spain in a manufactured war) to 2016 is a short run by historical standards but it follows the usual arc.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:38:06pm

Whoa!!

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freetoken  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:39:08pm

There’s still 2.6 million ballots to county, from here in the California primary.

So in the end some of the results may change, but probably only a few, and the “turnout” number will change too.

Still, come November we need to a very high turnout in order to flip the Congressional districts.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:40:01pm
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freetoken  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:41:17pm

Watch for cries now of DEEP STATE , and tying Wolfe to the Democratic party.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:44:30pm

re: #102 freetoken

Watch for cries now of DEEP STATE , and tying Wolfe to the Democratic party.

Yep. I expect that spin to be fast and furious.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:44:47pm

We’re getting pounded here. The storm for which we are warned has stalled, and has been sitting for half an hour at the intersection of US-385 and NE-92 (eight miles away).

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:45:02pm
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meteor  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:45:25pm
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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:47:49pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:48:46pm

Watching @ChelseaClinton deal with trolls is amazing. Her responses are the perfect combination of sharpness and sweetness. It’s like seeing someone cut in half with a Hallmark card.

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Belafon  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:48:56pm

How many Canadians thought “It can’t happen here”?

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:51:49pm

re: #101 JordanRules

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Are you kidding? The GOP fascists will cheer.

This is how liberty dies

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:52:26pm

High-speed hail coming down … well, good thing my roof hasn’t been replaced yet.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:53:26pm

re: #105 jaunte

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:55:02pm

re: #95 William Lewis

1914 in Sarajevo to 1945 in Nagasaki for certain. Arguably till November 9, 1989.

That was the real extent of the 1st world war.

And deliberately initiated by the Serbian government throwing a lighted torch into a powder keg. Some of the biggest pieces haven’t hit the ground yet. And they were handed the Greater Serbia they imagined they lost in 1389 as a reward….

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:55:23pm

sfchronicle.com

House passes bill to cut $15 billion from budget they passed already. Half comes from CHIP (in an election year).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:57:02pm

And yet as we saw in Kentucky after Bevin killed Kynect—Kentucky votes cast even more votes for Republicans.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:57:44pm
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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:58:08pm

re: #108 Ace-o-aces

She is amazing!!!!!

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 7:59:41pm

This scumbag Cadet Bonespurs is going to get my disabled veteran children killed.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:00:11pm
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BlueGrl21  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:01:46pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

It’s crazy all over. Sometimes the whole world goes off the deep end at the same time.

Haven’t see the voting demographics for Quebec, but it’s been safe to assume lately that it’s an older generation struggling to hold onto power that is still driving.

Note: Not trying to start yet another generational debate. We are all Lizards here.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:03:51pm

re: #120 BlueGrl21

Old greedy people suck.

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Skip Intro  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:04:02pm

re: #120 BlueGrl21

So when is the younger generation going to get off of their asses and vote?

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:07:30pm
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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:08:18pm

Oh I hope so!

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BlueGrl21  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:10:02pm

re: #122 Skip Intro

So when is the younger generation going to get off of their asses and vote?

Personally, I believe they will now, from the midterms onward. The Parkland kids have stepped up and turned it into intergenerational warfare. They’ve had more impact than people realize yet.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:10:07pm
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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:10:53pm

re: #123 Ace-o-aces

They studied 100,000 species.

About 8.7 million (give or take 1.3 million) is the new, estimated total number of species on Earth — the most precise calculation ever offered — with 6.5 million species on land and 2.2 million in oceans. Announced by the Census of Marine Life, the figure is based on a new analytical technique. The number of species on Earth had been estimated previously at 3 million to 100 million.
sciencedaily.com

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:11:00pm
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calochortus  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:12:06pm

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

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Umm, yeah. A cursory look at the Tech Times article buries, near the end of the article, the idea that this is likely the result of a catastrophic event which wiped out a lot of life.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:12:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:13:48pm

The storms suddenly made a right turn and are moving south away from town. We are on the backside of them now (but more are coming). The system is starting to collapse except over Chadron and my town.

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jaunte  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:14:41pm
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freetoken  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:18:57pm

re: #123 Ace-o-aces

Erick son of Erick is, besides being malicious, quite ignorant.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:19:00pm

Hey all. I’m back after taking some time off to enjoy myself at Ween shows at Red Rocks and also take a personal survey of Big Thompson Canyon after they finally reopened the road after it was taken out by a devastating flash flood five years ago. I couldn’t believe what I saw. The water rose 30 to 40 feet in some places and effects can plainly be still seen today.

Oh, and Ween was just an absurd amount of fun. They played 54 songs over two nights, no repeats.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:20:14pm

re: #128 Single-handed sailor

I’m really tired of bog standard conservative corruption. Can’t they come up with something new and exciting?

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:22:01pm

re: #134 teleskiguy

Ween? Who’s that? A jam band?
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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:25:12pm

re: #123 Ace-o-aces

Why do I expect that the actual paper says something much different than these morons claim? (I enjoy reading real scientific papers. I wish some of the pretend journalists did too… )

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:25:13pm

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:25:27pm

re: #136 William Lewis

Jam bands don’t play 29 songs in the course of just over two hours, they play maybe eight songs in the course of just over two hours!

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:28:10pm

re: #134 teleskiguy

Ween played a song last night that they haven’t played in concert for nearly 15 years.

I can understand, it’s a hard song to sing.

MP3 Audio

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Citizen K  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:28:53pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

I’m really tired of bog standard conservative corruption. Can’t they come up with something new and exciting?

Why should they? It keeps fucking working. Especially when the media keeps being led by the nose by accusations that Dems are guilty of the exact same corruption the GOP flaunts openly and without shame, which apparently makes it ok.

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:29:32pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

Jam bands don’t play 29 songs in the course of just over two hours, they play maybe eight songs in the course of just over two hours!

Yeah, I know. I had to deal with a Phish concert once so I had to deal with a true jam band that night (lots of beer was consumed in my self defense! ) but the picture of the t-shirt was too much for me not to mess with :)

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:30:35pm

Wow.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:30:46pm

Cc: United Nations

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:32:27pm

More storms forming in the northwest of my county and moving toward us. We’re not out of the woods yet.

At least the temporary fix to my roof is holding … no water in my bedroom so far.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:41:02pm

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:41:25pm

Yes, my mother and father were at the show last night. No word on the Facespace stuff from pops, but if my mom walked away impressed, my pops is now also a Ween fan as of today.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:41:58pm

re: #107 JordanRules

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Ontario has fallen. This is like being in occupied France in the fall of 1940 and hearing that the Germans have captured Dover.

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JordanRules  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:43:16pm

re: #148 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ontario has fallen. This is like being in occupied France in the fall of 1940 and hearing that the Germans have captured Dover.

I hate that this analogy feels so spot on.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:44:20pm

Oh, this came in the mail today.

Mail-in ballots are so awesome. Final day to drop it off is 26 June, which is Primary Day in Colorado.

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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:53:20pm

re: #134 teleskiguy

They played my song, too! I was smiling harder than I have in a long time. This is Ween playing “Sorry Charlie” at Red Rocks last night.

MP3 Audio

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William Lewis  Jun 7, 2018 • 8:55:29pm

re: #148 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ontario has fallen. This is like being in occupied France in the fall of 1940 and hearing that the Germans have captured Dover.

We will not surrender.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

Winston Churchill, 4 June 1940, the second of the three critical speeches.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 7, 2018 • 9:28:29pm

re: #138 Joe Bacon 🌹

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He’s already burned thru the Stormy search….

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 7, 2018 • 9:48:21pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 7, 2018 • 10:40:56pm

re: #147 teleskiguy


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