The Bob Cesca Show: Commander of Cheese

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Commander Of Cheese — NSFW; Kimberley Johnson author of Peyton’s Choice is here; Huge news on the Equal Rights Amendment; Trump is the Commander Of Cheese; The mystery of Pence and the water bottle; Trump doesn’t know the lyrics for God Bless America; Hannity advising Mueller’s witnesses to destroy evidence; Germany and D Day; White House cuts a deal to save Chinese spy firm ZTE; Trump and 30 new pardons; We have collusion again; Ivanka and Trump Tower Moscow; and so much more.

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gocart mozart  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:00:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:02:55pm

Wingnut-on-Wingnut backstabbing in Georgia:

apnews.com

ATLANTA (AP) — The Republican front-runner in the Georgia governor’s race said in a secretly recorded conversation that he pushed and helped pass an education measure he considered “bad public policy” in order to deprive a political rival of campaign support.

In the recording obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and WSB-TV , Republican Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle says his decision to support raising tax credits for private school scholarships “ain’t about public policy. It’s about (expletive) politics.”

Clay Tippins, who finished fourth in the GOP gubernatorial primary, said he spoke with Cagle two days after the May 22 primary and covertly recorded the conversation on his cellphone out of frustration with Cagle.

Cagle is locked in a contentious runoff for the GOP nomination with Secretary of State Brian Kemp that will be decided July 24.

The bill in question, which was signed into law by Gov. Nathan Deal on May 7, raised the cap on tax credits for private school scholarships from $58 million to $100 million.

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BigPapa  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:04:19pm

Cassandra just protected her tweets.

So I’m in CA now.

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gocart mozart  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:06:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:07:25pm

Elizabeth Warren, Cory Gardner Want Bong Hits 4 America. Whoa, Bipartisanship! (Wonkette, more at the link):

Just in time for summertime election season, two big important US senators are introducing yet another bipartisan national weed bill, although this one isn’t out to legalize weed nationwide. Instead, Massachusetts Democrat Elizabeth Warren and Colorado Republican Cory Gardner have a more modest goal — protect states that have already legalized marijuana from interference from federal law enforcement. It’s a pretty important goal, since Jeff Sessions is so worried about the enormous weed-legalization crime wave that only he can see.

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freetoken  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:09:31pm

Southern Baptists… they just can’t help themselves.

Paige Patterson, disgraced former head of SWBTS and SBC, was still scheduled to deliver the prime sermon at this year’s annual SBC shindig in Dallas.

This morning, Patterson excused himself from this activity, probably because at the first business meeting before the prayer certain parties were going to offer up resolutions to stop Patterson.

Anyway, the SBC chose another preacher, Kie Bowman, to fill the shoes and deliver the sermon.

But guess what… Bowman has a closet too. Turns out he, like Patterson, shut his ears to cries of abuse:

Southern Baptists have a new keynote speaker. A teacher at his church was accused of child abuse

[…]

A child was injured by a Hyde Park Baptist Church daycare worker in 2005, according to Travis County court documents. An Austin court awarded the child’s mother $163,562 in damages. The Texas Supreme Court tossed an appeal by the church in 2010.

[…]

That same teaching assistant, per court documents, complained about the [abusive] teacher’s behavior but was told by a church school administrator that the “statements did not do any good” because she was the only witness.

[…]

The Austin Chronicle investigated the case in 2006. That piece found that parents made complaints about Lowry, several times over her 10 years of employment. Three parents asked that their children be transferred out of her class. She was asked twice to sign statements that “the safety of the children is the primary object of my employment.”

There are many fundamental problems with the various practices of the Southern Baptists, but high on that list is that they find ways to ignore the testimony of those (often women) they don’t like.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:10:35pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

Elizabeth Warren, Cory Gardner Want Bong Hits 4 America. Whoa, Bipartisanship! (Wonkette, more at the link):

Cynic in me says Gardner only is doing this because he needs the purple areas of CO to survive politically. Not unhappy this has bipartisan support but Gardner is a snake.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:11:59pm

re: #4 gocart mozart

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Purgatory is an uniquely Catholic view and not a denominations teach that suicide is hell bound.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:14:01pm
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plansbandc  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:15:06pm

re: #4 gocart mozart

Yeah, that would be the one who blocked me. :D He is a terrible person. Also, I love Rev. Lee.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:17:58pm
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Skip Intro  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:19:29pm

I like this LA TImes headline. No beating around the bush here.

Trump administration urges court to strike down Obamacare rule that requires insurers cover the sick

latimes.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:19:45pm

re: #10 plansbandc

Yeah, that would be the one who blocked me. :D He is a terrible person. Also, I love Rev. Lee.

He’s a good guy. We first saw him during the CSA statue debate. If memory serves, he’s a direct descendant of the General.

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BigPapa  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:23:01pm

Losing Bourdain is pretty crushing. In another life I’d be a chef as I do love to cook and could see myself living it. No Reservations was good not only because of the foodie-ness but the stories of the chefs and personal connections. In Parts Unknown he doubled down and ended up exploring places and people by breaking bread with them.

He was curious and talented with his own look on life. He took me to parts unknown.

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gocart mozart  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:26:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:27:46pm
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prairiefire  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:32:57pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s a wonder.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:44:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:45:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:47:07pm

oh…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:48:51pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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plansbandc  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:49:02pm

Painted on a cafe in Iceland:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 4:57:51pm

thread:

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Kragar  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:00:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:00:51pm

Wonkette posts its obituary of Anthony Bourdain.

Anthony Bourdain Made Us Appreciate A Lot More Than Just Food. But The Food Was A Pretty Big Deal.

“Chef,” and certainly “celebrity chef” — a term he never took all that seriously — feels too small a description for Bourdain. Those of us who savored his 2000 memoir Kitchen Confidential and his long-running series “No Reservations” and its followup “Parts Unknown” found in Bourdain a model for living. Be casual. Be adventurous. Explore and celebrate everything different. How do you learn about a people or a culture? Eat with the locals, without fuss or pretense. “Indian food won’t kill you,” he famously said. (And, yes, for God’s sake, you can eat fish on Monday now.) Bourdain’s example has inspired how my wife and I travel and experience the world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:01:25pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:03:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:09:18pm

no pleasant ally photo with the yam…sad…

and he doesn’t look happy in the group work photo:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:10:28pm

Nope!

These scientists from Brazil are making bread with cockroaches.

Facebook Video

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calochortus  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:10:49pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

no pleasant ally photo with the yam…sad…

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He doesn’t look sad-that’s his “I’m a serious person” expression.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:11:35pm

re: #30 calochortus

He doesn’t look sad-that’s his “I’m a serious person” expression.

more like his “when are we leaving for Singapore” look…

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TedStriker  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:11:49pm

re: #22 plansbandc

Painted on a cafe in Iceland:

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IIRC that was his signoff for the No Reservations Iceland episode so, so long ago.

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Skip Intro  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:12:14pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I’m bored. Do I get porn in my room?”

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bratwurst  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:15:36pm

It would be better not to discuss Anthony Bourdain at all than to use his passing to push a dumbass agenda. The people who scrambled early today to turn his suicide into clickbait are human detritus. People like David Leavitt or this genius below are actually worse.

The way people suck it is a small miracle the suicide rate isn’t even higher.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:16:51pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Purgatory is an uniquely Catholic view and not a denominations teach that suicide is hell bound.

Exactly. The religion I grew up in certainly didn’t believe in purgatory or other Catholic doctrines.

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stpaulbear  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:18:23pm

re: #30 calochortus

I made a road trip for work today so I spent 5 hours listening to NPR/MnPR news stations. Every half hour they were playing clips of shouty, whiney petulant Trump sounding off before he left for the ‘G7 - 1’ summit. It is an absolutely reflexive reaction for me now to shut the fucker off whenever I hear his voice. I can’t not do it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:18:50pm

(I know … Tom Nichols, but he’s right about this.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:19:33pm

Worried about Judge Jeanine? Don’t Be. (Juanita Jean’s, more at the link):

In 2006, Jeanine ran against Hillary Clinton for the senate seat in New York. She polled so badly and made some shockingly bad teevee appearances, that she dropped out of the race. She still has $600,000 in unpaid bills from that campaign. Here ya go. She quit paying the past due bills in 2010.

However, senate campaign committees are required to continue to file FEC reports until all the committee’s debts have been extinguished. Pirro hasn’t filed ANY FEC reports since 2012. This is the most recent of 25 failure to file letters she has received from the FEC since 2013: Here ya go.

Now that right there is the cherry on top of the banana split. You won’t see this on CNN or in the New York Times because they never show up at the Dairy Queen for lunch with Alfredo. Fools.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:20:12pm

Full auto crossbow (YES!). Note the inventor’s suitably maniacal laugh.

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calochortus  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:20:13pm

re: #34 bratwurst

It would be better not to discuss Anthony Bourdain at all than to use his passing to push a dumbass agenda. The people who scrambled early today to turn his suicide into clickbait are human detritus. People like David Leavitt or this genius below are actually worse.

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The way people suck it is a small miracle the suicide rate isn’t even higher.

Really. When someone kills him or her self, the only humane response is sorrow for their pain and sympathy for those left behind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:22:09pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:23:57pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stonekettle
@Stonekettle
OK. So, “annexed” that’s not good then?

So that’s like a merger, right? What’s wrong with that?

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Citizen K  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:24:14pm

I want everything in the NYT to burn down except Krugman’s and Blow’s offices.

Sorry, Sopan, you’ll have to go back to CBS, you lack the seniority to save your office.

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Kragar  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:33:29pm
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bratwurst  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:35:19pm

re: #40 calochortus

Really. When someone kills him or her self, the only humane response is sorrow for their pain and sympathy for those left behind.

This is one of the thing that has been pissing me off about “online culture” for years now.

SOMEBODY IS FUCKING DEAD AND IT IS A TRAGEDY FOR THIER FRIENDS AND FAMILY. INSERT YOUR HOT TAKE INTO A PRIVATE ORIFICE, NOT A PUBLIC ONE.

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calochortus  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:38:11pm

re: #45 bratwurst

This is one of the thing that has been pissing me off about “online culture” for years now.

SOMEBODY IS FUCKING DEAD AND IT IS A TRAGEDY FOR THIER FRIENDS AND FAMILY. INSERT YOUR HOT TAKE INTO A PRIVATE ORIFICE, NOT A PUBLIC ONE.

Truth. Also too, it was not a selfish thing to do. I’ve never been clinically depressed, but I can only imagine what kind of pain drives someone to do that.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:38:27pm

re: #44 Kragar

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About damn time

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Stanley Sea  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:39:44pm

re: #15 gocart mozart

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The EWE I just yelled could be heard for miles.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:41:20pm

re: #44 Kragar

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Your move Bernie. Can’t wait to hear how this is “unfair.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:41:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:42:18pm

He isn’t wrong.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:46:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:46:48pm

re: #50 The Vicious Babushka

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That’s the thing that infuriates me the most about him. He wants us to hate Canada for his wrong version of history from 200 years ago but wants us to ignore Russia’s attacks on other nations’ sovereignty during Putin’s time in power but right Donald, no one is tougher on Russia than you are.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:47:09pm

re: #46 calochortus

Truth. Also too, it was not a selfish thing to do. I’ve never been clinically depressed, but I can only imagine what kind of pain drives someone to do that.

It is a selfish thing to do. Lots of us keep going because suicide would shift our pain to loved ones.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:47:51pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Nope!

These scientists from Brazil are making bread with cockroaches.

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Ok, gross. But think of the commercial fast food potential: “I’ll have a Bug Mac, and supersize flies.”

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calochortus  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:48:29pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It is a selfish thing to do. Lots of us keep going because suicide would shift our pain to loved ones.

I am so sorry.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:49:05pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:50:33pm

Different century, same challenge:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:55:41pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Different century, same challenge:

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If that were stated as a goal today, a lot would be calling our policymakers “cucks” or some dumb shit like this.

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Deep State and Elite Satinist  Jun 8, 2018 • 5:56:42pm

re: #3 BigPapa

So I’m in CA now.

BawTK5oxH9w5EEWuGOqok0FPCi3524hQohPfyfC8zH3WP7oNWphr9Pywr38QmAqU

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stpaulbear  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:02:34pm

re: #44 Kragar

YAY!!

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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:06:07pm

on pardons:

- it’s the only aspect of the job he has any clue of an idea of
- no one can stop him, or object
- he can set it up so he gets favors (though the founders would probably cringe at that and it’s prob illegal)

(but he could pardon himself tor that too - take a bribe, give a pardon, then pardon himself for taking the bribe)

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TedStriker  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:07:00pm

re: #44 Kragar

Fuckin’ A right…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:07:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:09:34pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

no pleasant ally photo with the yam…sad…

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WAIT!!! Sarah haz a photo!!!

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:11:40pm

re: #44 Kragar

That’s the single best thing I’ve read all day.

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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:11:45pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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This is simply tragic. But we need to emphasize, over and over, how much Ryan, McConnell, McCarthy and every Republican in Congress has enabled this catastrophe

This this this This this this This this this This this this This this this
This this this This this this This this this This this this This this this
This this this This this this This this this This this this This this this
This this this This this this This this this This this this This this this

Get it yet?

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Belafon  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:11:48pm

re: #44 Kragar

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They also need to require tax returns.

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jaunte  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:11:57pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Hotel.”

“Who else can say that someone running for president of the United States of America owes his fortune to your hometown?”
bloomberg.com

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BigPapa  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:17:18pm

So the Weed Delivery Lady just came by. My mom knows her. She played with the doggos for a bit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:19:14pm

E-mail to Senator Sasse:

Dear Senator Sasse:

I urge you to co-sponsor Senator Feinstein’s bill, S.3036 - A bill to limit the separation of families at or near ports of entry.

As you are aware, Nebraska per capita has the most refugees by population of any state. Our state and its motto “The Good Life” shows how caring we are to those who seek refuge from violence, warfare, and corruption. Nebraska has very little crime, and much to offer those who want to create a better life for themselves, and by doing so, create a better life for the rest of us.

As you are also aware, seeking asylum from violence or political repression is not a crime. It is one of the legal ways to enter the United States.

As such, the horrendous policy being pursued by the Trump Administration and promulgated by Chief-of-Staff John Kelly and Attorney General Jeff Sessions to tear children from the arms of their parents when seeking asylum in a bid to suppress asylum is particularly cruel. It is certainly not pro-life or pro-family, two stances the Republican Party claims it represents.

That policy is also a violation of both US and international law.

During the last presidential campaign, I read your op-ed which positioned you as a “Never Trumper” in the Scottsbluff Star-Herald. It spoke of the values we all share as Americans, whether supporters of the Democratic or Republican Parties, or of no party at all.

One of those values is that our nation welcomes those who are oppressed by destructive and violent regimes.

I urge you to uphold what you wrote in that op-ed. I urge you to stand for American and Nebraskan values.

I am a second-generation American. My family fled the Nazi regime, then volunteered in our Armed Forces to put it down. My mother served and father gave his life in the Armed Forces in support of our Constitution. My sister and I both served in the Armed Forces in support of our Constitution as well.

None of our three generations of veterans served to support the heinous policy of tearing children from their parents’ arms. That is despicable. It is shameful. It is not what Nebraska or America should be. It should be to create a more perfect Union, not a more terrifying one.

Please co-sponsor Senator Feinstein’s bill.

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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:20:46pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Purgatory is an uniquely Catholic view and not a denominations teach that suicide is hell bound.

Lots of religions don’t have a hell at all

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:20:49pm
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stpaulbear  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:20:53pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It is a selfish thing to do. Lots of us keep going because suicide would shift our pain to loved ones.

There are people who have loved ones that don’t want to hear about their depression; who tell them to buck up and get over it. There are people for whom depression is not adequately treatable via medications or therapy. There are people who call suicide hotlines to talk, wind up with the cops taking them to a hospital lockdown ward and would never call one of those hotlines again.

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VegasGolfer  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:23:01pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Which was a brothel.

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Jay C  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:26:32pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

WAIT!!! Sarah haz a photo!!!

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And the look on Trudeau’s face is all like “Jeez, that ratty old dump? That was a Trump “hotel”???”

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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:28:22pm

re: #44 Kragar

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DNC panel adopts rule that presidential candidates must be party members

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:29:31pm

re: #75 VegasGolfer

Which was a brothel.

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indeed it was.
pretty sure Justin knows that, which explains why he looks like he’s trying to not bust out laughing.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:30:30pm

re: #72 dangerman

Lots of religions don’t have a hell at all

Our 4th dimensional Lizardoid masters haven’t had a hell, but they are building one now; for Evangelical hypocrites and haters.

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Skip Intro  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:31:41pm

re: #75 VegasGolfer

Which was a brothel.

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Those upstairs rooms give it away

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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:35:30pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It is a selfish thing to do. Lots of us keep going because suicide would shift our pain to loved ones.

I do see your point
I have always had mixed feelings about this
There clearly is intense pain
And there is an element of sort of selfishness in that there’s no ability to reply or in many cases even come to understand why
It’s painfully complex

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majii  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:38:37pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth …”and he doesn’t look happy in the group work photo”

He isn’t happy. Why? Because he has no damn idea what the topics being discussed entail. He’s a blustering buffoon who is out of his depth. Every leader at that table is better educated, more informed on the issues, and smarter than Trump which is why I believe he has that petulant look on his face. He also got the other seven leaders’ message that they’re not willing to take any shit from his ignorant ass.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:40:07pm

re: #44 Kragar

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How in the bloody hell was that not always the rule?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:41:14pm

re: #82 majii

There is no truth to the rumor NATO was looking to put a hit man or killer drone on POTUS Trump. But there probably should be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:42:22pm

“Somolia”

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stpaulbear  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:44:15pm

re: #81 dangerman

I do see your point
I have always had mixed feelings about this
There clearly is intense pain
And there is an element of sort of selfishness in that there’s no ability to reply or in many cases even come to understand why
It’s painfully complex

It doesn’t help much to tell someone who’s feeling suicidal that it’s an act of selfishness. It just gives them another reason to feel undeserving. It’s another nail in their coffin, so to speak.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:45:45pm
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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:46:41pm

re: #83 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

How in the bloody hell was that not always the rule?

Why didn’t the founders explicitly write you can’t pardon yourself?

…no one ever thought anyone would try…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:47:07pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Somolia”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:47:29pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Somolia”

That’s where semoleans come from…..

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jaunte  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:48:27pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

From Blackhawk Down to Blockhead Dumb.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:49:43pm
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Citizen K  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:49:59pm

re: #88 dangerman

Why didn’t the founders explicitly write you can’t pardon yourself?

…no one ever thought anyone would try…

I’ve said it before: one of the main weaknesses of our system is the assumption of good faith on all sides. The GOP as it is now has found out that constant acting in bad faith denigrates the entire system, and with enough projection, you can not only totally inoculate yourself from the consequences of that, but totally and utterly shift it toward your opponents, especially when they actually act in good faith.

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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:50:55pm

re: #86 stpaulbear

It doesn’t help much to tell someone who’s feeling suicidal that it’s an act of selfishness. It just gives them another reason to feel undeserving. It’s another nail in their coffin, so to speak.

Oh I agree
I meant after the fact when there was no warning it was coming

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:51:39pm
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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:52:43pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

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Charles, they were all framed.
Every one.

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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 6:55:15pm

re: #93 Citizen K

I’ve said it before: one of the main weaknesses of our system is the assumption of good faith on all sides. The GOP as it is now has found out that constant acting in bad faith denigrates the entire system, and with enough projection, you can not only totally inoculate yourself from the consequences of that, but totally and utterly shift it toward your opponents, especially when they actually act in good faith.

+1

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:01:18pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:01:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:01:48pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:03:11pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

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ObserverArt  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:03:36pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump ✔
@realDonaldTrump
My thoughts and prayers are with the families of our serviceman who was killed and his fellow servicemen who were wounded in Somolia. They are truly all HEROES.

9:24 PM - Jun 8, 2018

“Somolia”

I thought it was spelled: Hellhole.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:08:10pm
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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:10:08pm

re: #86 stpaulbear

It doesn’t help much to tell someone who’s feeling suicidal that it’s an act of selfishness. It just gives them another reason to feel undeserving. It’s another nail in their coffin, so to speak.

I’ve always believed that each person should be allowed to be the master of their domain (their body).

I don’t want anyone I know to come suicide, but every person should make their own decision as to whether they want to deal with what they are talking with.

It’s very sad when someone can’t make a good decision (they are depressed or have other mental health issues) or they can’t get the help they need (or won’t), but forcing someone to live a miserable life, I think, is selfish. Yes, I want that person around and I’ll likely be sad and hurt and angry, but it’s not my life to decide whether I want to cope with whatever they can’t cope with.

I’d that sounds cold is unintentional. I just think that is a decision I can’t make (or really be a part of) for someone else.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:11:20pm

Well, that letter to Senator Sasse (which I suspect will be roundfiled as I am on “shred before reading” with my senators and representative) has now been submitted as a Letter to the Editor at the Scottsbluff Star-Herald.

It’s been about a month since they last printed a letter from a liberal (me), so they are due for their next monthly installment.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:11:27pm

re: #90 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

That’s where semoleans come from…..

And where they grow semolina. It grown on trees, donchano?

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jaunte  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:12:19pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:12:49pm

A good annotated map of the Kilauea eruption

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jaunte  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:13:02pm
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plansbandc  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:13:56pm

Happy Pride everyone!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:14:22pm

re: #107 MsJ

And where they grow semolina. It grown on trees, donchano?

BBC: Spaghetti-Harvest in Ticino

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Brian J.  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:14:36pm

re: #99 Unshaken Defiance

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Sadly, not exactly true. I grew up in a state that hosted two of them.

Internment Camps.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:17:21pm

re: #75 VegasGolfer

Which was a brothel.

Interesting. “Make Trump Kittens Again” takes all the pictures of the building and posts pictures of kittens instead.

The add-on developer knows it is associated with Trump.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:17:42pm

re: #104 Unshaken Defiance

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majii  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:20:33pm

re: #44 Kragar

Thanks for this info, Kragar. It’s what I’ve been hoping would be done after Sanders used our party in 2016, and after losing the nomination, decided he no longer wanted to be a Democrat. I hope this move pisses off him and his supporters. Sanders was poison for the Democratic Party in 2016. This vote will now make me more open to donating to the DNC again. The org has been sending me snail mail and emails, and I’ve been ignoring all of them because Sanders was allowed to run under our party label in 2016. I didn’t think then, and I don’t think now, that we owe Sanders a damn thing.

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Brian J.  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:21:54pm

re: #116 majii

Thanks for this info, Kragar. It’s what I’ve been hoping would be done after Sanders used our party in 2016, and after losing the nomination, decided he no longer wanted to be a Democrat. I hope this move pisses off him and his supporters. Sanders was poison for the Democratic Party in 2016. This vote will now make me more open to donating to the DNC again. The org has been sending me snail mail and emails, and I’ve been ignoring all of them because Sanders was allowed to run under our party label in 2016. I didn’t think then, and I don’t think now, that we owe Sanders a damn thing.

Now can the DNC be persuaded not to screw with the superdelegate system? The only people complaining were the Sandbaggers, and their role is likely to be important in 2020, especially since their numbers seem likely to be augmented with many new women and/or minority officeholders.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:23:09pm

re: #113 Brian J.

Sadly, not exactly true. I grew up in a state that hosted two of them.

Internment Camps.

I have far less faith in ICE and the Trump admin than I do the authorities that so wrongly interned the American citizens of Japanese descent..

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ObserverArt  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:24:20pm

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹

Interesting. “Make Trump Kittens Again” takes all the pictures of the building and posts pictures of kittens instead.

The add-on developer knows it is associated with Trump.

There is probably text associated with the image file that has Trump in it. Your kitteh swap plug-in probably reads that text file along with some kind of facial or google image search that normally identifies Trump.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:26:03pm

re: #118 Unshaken Defiance

I have far les faith in ICE and the Trump admin than I do the authorities that so wrongly interned the American citizens of Japanese descent..

Trump, and everyone around him, are malicious. They enjoy this. They’re monsters.

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Brian J.  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:27:40pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Any way Governor Brown can call out the California National Guard and start having people arrested for wrongful imprisonment?

We didn’t accept Befehl ist Befehl in 1946, so why should we accept it now?

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dangerman  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:32:13pm

re: #104 Unshaken Defiance

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Why is this happening? Because a freaking tyrant is in charge.

AND…..
Congress is fucking in absentia

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:32:58pm

Why oh why are we so damn incompetent?

What Secretive Supersonic Anti-Ship Missile Did China Hack From The U.S. Navy?
China’s relentless cyber espionage campaign against the Pentagon has been one of the central reasons why that country’s technological warfighting capabilities have aggressively matured over a relatively short period of time. In fact, we now see the fruits of their hacking operations on a daily basis via advanced ‘indigenous’ weapon systems, some which are now entering into operational service. But a previously unreported intrusion into a Navy contractor’s computer network has provided the Chinese military with information on the service’s electronic warfare and threat library, cryptographic radio systems used on submarines, specific sensor data, and detailed information on a previously undisclosed and fast-paced initiative to field a supersonic anti-ship missile onto American nuclear submarines dubbed Sea Dragon.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:44:37pm

There should be public hangings for treason.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:50:19pm

*sigh*

I liked Bourdain because over and over he tried to tell his audience that people everywhere were just people…go eat food with them and stop being afraid of the foreign. I have my own problems such that I appreciated how eloquent and open he was about his.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:55:11pm
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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:56:41pm

re: #126 MsJ

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 8, 2018 • 7:57:26pm

re: #126 MsJ

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Good. I want those fuckers who gleefully exploited Seth Rich’s death to suffer.

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stpaulbear  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:00:04pm

re: #105 MsJ

I’ve always believed that each person should be allowed to be the master of their domain (their body).

I don’t want anyone I know to come suicide, but every person should make their own decision as to whether they want to deal with what they are talking with.

It’s very sad when someone can’t make a good decision (they are depressed or have other mental health issues) or they can’t get the help they need (or won’t), but forcing someone to live a miserable life, I think, is selfish. Yes, I want that person around and I’ll likely be sad and hurt and angry, but it’s not my life to decide whether I want to cope with whatever they can’t cope with.

I’d that sounds cold is unintentional. I just think that is a decision I can’t make (or really be a part of) for someone else.

It doesn’t sound cold to me, and I’m not trying to imply that we shouldn’t want or try to help someone who’s struggling. I just don’t like the idea of telling someone that their suicidal feelings are selfishness.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:01:40pm

re: #128 Barefoot Grin

Good. I want those fuckers who gleefully exploited Seth Rich’s death to suffer.

Complete financial ruin works for me.

Except trump and his cunt family members/advisors. They must get prison time. Absolutely no way around it.

If they don’t there will be another and another.

We are lucky these guys are as dumb as they are. As dumb as they are they are inflicting major damage. Someone competent could be unimaginably… It’s too gruesome to consider.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:02:12pm

re: #129 stpaulbear

It doesn’t sound cold to me, and I’m not trying to imply that we shouldn’t want or try to help someone who’s struggling. I just don’t like the idea of telling someone that their suicidal feelings are selfishness.

Agreed. 100%.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:07:46pm

Fecking. Awesome.

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jaunte  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:11:36pm

The Trumpian selloff of our public lands continues:

“…The U.S. Forest Service approved the land exchange in January 2017. Under the agreement, PolyMet Mining Corp. would get 6,650 acres of federal land it needs in the Superior National Forest near Babbitt and Hoyt Lakes in return for about the same amount of private land that would be added to the national forest.

But environmental groups have filed four separate lawsuits to block the exchange, saying the deal undervalues the federal land and violates federal laws on land transfers and endangered species.

Paula Maccabee, an attorney for WaterLegacy, one of the groups that are suing, said in an interview that Smith’s amendment is a “backroom effort” to circumvent the courts by attaching a rider to an unrelated must-pass bill without public hearings.”

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jaunte  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:13:41pm

That’s on the edge of the Boundary Waters Wilderness.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:17:05pm

re: #133 jaunte

It’ll be tied up in court until after trump is dead.

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Belafon  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:18:16pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:18:50pm

re: #132 MsJ

Fecking. Awesome.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:20:58pm

And I remember this guy!

Chef Boyardee 1953 Commercial

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Belafon  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:21:23pm
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retired cynic  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:22:45pm

re: #131 MsJ

My brother maintained that everyone has the right to control their going. I agree, but it was a horrible shock when he shot himself. I know some of the problems he faced, but certainly not the way they affected him. It felt selfish to me, but perhaps I was just selfish wanting to hold on to him.

On a different level, we (my late husband and me) have been responsible for a lot of dear animals that we had the responsibility to control the time and place and manner of their going. It is a weight.

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jaunte  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:24:14pm

Sounds familiar.

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Belafon  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:25:53pm

Yep:

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Amory Blaine  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:26:46pm

Holy fuck.

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Interesting Times  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:26:56pm

re: #142 jaunte

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Chrysicat  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:34:20pm
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meteor  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:39:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:42:49pm

re: #147 meteor

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The feeling’s mutual Senator.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:46:36pm

The hits (to our democracy) keep coming.
ICE’s Rejection of Its Own Rules Is Placing LGBT Immigrants at Severe Risk of Sexual Abuse
littlegreenfootballs.com

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fern01  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:47:27pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

no pleasant ally photo with the yam…sad…

and he doesn’t look happy in the group work photo

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None of them look happy in the group work photo. What a difference to when President Obama was there. (Just google for the pictures)

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SteelPH  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:48:43pm

re: #151 fern01

None of them look happy in the group work photo. What a difference to when President Obama was there. (Just google for the pictures)

I miss having a President.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:49:12pm

re: #143 Belafon

Yep:

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So it’s vital that they be able to Stand Their Ground against someone who has no idea where they are, and to prevent them from finding out?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:52:39pm

re: #143 Belafon

Hard Troll…..

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Belafon  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:55:21pm

re: #154 Dave In Austin

Hard Troll…..

Still psychopaths thinking that’s worth the trolling.

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Belafon  Jun 8, 2018 • 8:56:14pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:10:05pm

re: #132 MsJ

Fecking. Awesome.

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So even if he avoids jail, he’s going to pretty much be penniless.

I’m sure his family is ever so thankful.//////

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Kragar  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:10:47pm
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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:14:36pm

From a WaPo story:

After taking a closer look, The Fact Checker noticed this estimate — the shocking (and exact) 4,645 count — was only a midpoint of a large range. The researchers reported with 95% confidence that the death toll was between 793 to 8,498. Put another way, that’s 4645 +/-3852, making the error almost as big as the estimate.

washingtonpost.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:20:16pm

re: #158 Kragar

Bob Cesca
✔
@bobcesca_go
12m
Trumpism needs to be destroyed.

Kragar
@Kragar_LGF
Trumpism is Fascism.

Trump supporters are Fascists.
11:02 PM - Jun 8, 2018

It was alarming to listen to a report this morning on potato farmers in Idaho who support Trump because they believe he is a knowledgeable businessman and that his negotiations will allow them to expand their markets. Someone ( I don’t recall who) even talked about how Trump, after all, is the author of “The Art of the Deal”. I was mentally screaming “How do you not know that he did not write that book at all?” We may really underestimate the true ignorance of the Trump voter — that they overlook his racism because they really believe in the fictional persona of the brilliant business man.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:23:32pm

re: #143 Belafon

Yep:

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re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

It was alarming to listen to a report this morning on potato farmers in Idaho who support Trump because they believe he is a knowledgeable businessman and that his negotiations will allow them to expand their markets. Someone ( I don’t recall who) even talked about how Trump, after all, is the author of “The Art of the Deal”. I was mentally screaming “How do you not know that he did not write that book at all?” We may really underestimate the true ignorance of the Trump voter — that they overlook his racism because they really believe in the fictional persona of the brilliant business man.

Trump’s racism is a feature, not a bug.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:29:56pm

re: #161 I Would Prefer Not To

Trump’s racism is a feature, not a bug.

That is certainly true for many (most?) of them; but others seem to fixate on his supposed success in business — on his being a billionaire.

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MsJ  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:34:10pm

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

It was alarming to listen to a report this morning on potato farmers in Idaho who support Trump because they believe he is a knowledgeable businessman and that his negotiations will allow them to expand their markets. Someone ( I don’t recall who) even talked about how Trump, after all, is the author of “The Art of the Deal”. I was mentally screaming “How do you not know that he did not write that book at all?” We may really underestimate the true ignorance of the Trump voter — that they overlook his racism because they really believe in the fictional persona of the brilliant business man.

They believe reality TV is real.

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:39:52pm

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

It was alarming to listen to a report this morning on potato farmers in Idaho who support Trump because they believe he is a knowledgeable businessman and that his negotiations will allow them to expand their markets. Someone ( I don’t recall who) even talked about how Trump, after all, is the author of “The Art of the Deal”. I was mentally screaming “How do you not know that he did not write that book at all?” We may really underestimate the true ignorance of the Trump voter — that they overlook his racism because they really believe in the fictional persona of the brilliant business man.

It is the opposite - they willingly pretend to believe that he is a brilliant businessman, or anointed by God, so they can enjoy feeling hate and racism.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:41:42pm

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

It was alarming to listen to a report this morning on potato farmers in Idaho who support Trump because they believe he is a knowledgeable businessman and that his negotiations will allow them to expand their markets. Someone ( I don’t recall who) even talked about how Trump, after all, is the author of “The Art of the Deal”. I was mentally screaming “How do you not know that he did not write that book at all?” We may really underestimate the true ignorance of the Trump voter — that they overlook his racism because they really believe in the fictional persona of the brilliant business man.

LBJ explained why!

No matter what, they will vote their race
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Chrysicat  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:43:10pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:45:55pm

re: #166 Chrysicat

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I find the English Civil War really conflicting to read about, because I despise both sides.

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I cannot.  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:54:41pm

re: #166 Chrysicat

I had never heard the term “roundhead” before…thank you.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:58:05pm

Still got Ween on the mind.

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Chrysicat  Jun 8, 2018 • 9:59:19pm

re: #167 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I find the English Civil War really conflicting to read about, because I despise both sides.

Yeah, it’s kind of the way I think about the Islamist-vs-fundie-Xtianist conflict today. The only good result would be the destruction of both, and you have no clue which one has a better chance of ever moving back towards any sort of liberal social structure whatsoever.

re: #168 I cannot.

I had never heard the term “roundhead” before…thank you.

Not sure why the term stuck with me as well as it did, but I’ve been familiar with it since high school—and I got out of that while Gargoyles was still in first-run.
And then I get more into the Early Modern every year trying to keep up with Eric Flint :-D

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:07:06pm

Anthony Bourdain’s end has fucked with my mood royally today. It’s Chris Cornell all over again, except different.

I saw a lot of talk on Twitter about depressed people being more open about their experiences. So I tweeted.

It’s the main reason I don’t keep my guns in my house (they’re locked in a safe at my parents house, my dad has the key).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:12:40pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

Anthony Bourdain’s end has fucked with my mood royally today. It’s Chris Cornell all over again, except different.

I saw a lot of talk on Twitter about depressed people being more open about their experiences. So I tweeted.

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It’s the main reason I don’t keep my guns in my house (they’re locked in a safe at my parents house, my dad has the key).

It’s the same reason I don’t own a gun, despite my concerns about Conservatives becoming violent.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:17:53pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

I’m bummed out today, too. Been remembering my classmate buddy Nick Perris who committed suicide in 10th grade.

Left a suicide note saying he couldn’t take any more pain.

I didn’t sense anything was wrong with him until the day before suicide he failed an Algebra 2 test. Time and again, I blame myself for not picking up the phone that night and calling him.

Nick’s dad had a busy dental practice in town. When Nick died, his dad closed up shop and he just withdrew into himself. His mom just turned to ice.

A person contemplating suicide may not realize that action will have repercussions that ripple out to a whole lot of people. It’s like the old game of pick up sticks move one and you disturb the pile.

End result—a whole lot of people get hurt too…

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BlueGrl21  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:20:01pm

re: #81 dangerman

I do see your point
I have always had mixed feelings about this
There clearly is intense pain
And there is an element of sort of selfishness in that there’s no ability to reply or in many cases even come to understand why
It’s painfully complex

I’m bipolar, as I’ve said many times. Have lost many friends to suicide. I would have to sit here and count on both hands. I don’t know how many friends have had suicide attempts.

At least for me it’s not been a logical choice. You get fixed into what is called goal-directed behavior and you MUST do it. This is incredibly difficult to explain. You get into a fugue state and nothing is going to dissuade you. Anything that tethers you to the world…family, friends, children….you talk yourself out of any belief they love you. You make a plan and you do it. You convince yourself there is simply no other option. Yes, there is tremendous pain involved but the act itself works that way.

1 in 8 people with bipolar commit suicide. 1 in 4 attempt it. It is deadly, deadly for us.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:23:21pm

An old co-worker and happy-go-lucky friend from my Steamboat days died by suicide last October. Part of me thinks about his relief from his tormented mind (he was very mentally ill [depression, mania, etc.], everyone knew it, and it went untreated for decades, he self-medicated every day with Jim Beam), part of me thinks of his young daughter not having a father, and the anguish he has caused us, the living, his friends.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:26:06pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:39:11pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It is a selfish thing to do. Lots of us keep going because suicide would shift our pain to loved ones.

I’ll refrain from using hurtful demeaning language in response to this. But this is fucking wrong, goddamn it. This made me angry. I’ll let someone else be more articulate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:42:12pm

re: #177 teleskiguy

I’ll refrain from using hurtful demeaning language in response to this. But this is fucking wrong, goddamn it. This made me angry. I’ll let someone else be more articulate.

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Telling the truth makes you angry and vicious? I’m out.

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gwangung  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:43:29pm

re: #178 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Telling the truth makes you angry and vicious? I’m out.

Actually…sounds more like a comfortable (for you) lie.

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TedStriker  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:46:01pm

re: #178 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Telling the truth makes you angry and vicious? I’m out.

TSG never said you were “vicious”, only that he was “angry”.

Before you put words in other people’s mouths, just chill the fuck out.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:49:29pm

How about some music? It’s Ween because I’m not done thinking about them non-stop since I saw them on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at Red Rocks.

Chocolate Town

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:54:25pm

re: #178 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Dude,

People who kill themselves are often in a place where they imagine that everyone is better off without them around…and I’m saying that from direct experience and from being the person addressed by a suicide trying to explain their choice.

You stop thinking in terms of your absence being painful for others and start thinking of it as necessary because you’re going to make things worse if you stay alive. The fear that you’re a detriment to everyone around you is added weight atop the sense that you’re fundamentally not right because you’re in pain, and that you’re further not-right because you have these intense feelings that you know are crazy but feel inescapable.

Hence the number of suicide notes that both apologize for the act, but also try and claim that things will be better after the initial shock passes.

If you’ve never been to that point, fine. But if you have—and I have, and have barely teetered back from the brink—it’s so damn complicated when another suicide happens, and you see it both ways at once.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 10:57:00pm

re: #182 The Ghost of a Flea

I love you, man.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:01:26pm

Alice is a *space archaeologist* from Australia who follows me on Twitter for some reason.

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TedStriker  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:11:08pm

re: #182 The Ghost of a Flea

Dude,

People who kill themselves are often in a place where they imagine that everyone is better off without them around…and I’m saying that from direct experience and from being the person addressed by a suicide trying to explain their choice.

You stop thinking in terms of your absence being painful for others and start thinking of it as necessary because you’re going to make things worse if you stay alive. The fear that you’re a detriment to everyone around you is added weight atop the sense that you’re fundamentally not right because you’re in pain, and that you’re further not-right because you have these intense feelings that you know are crazy but feel inescapable.

Hence the number of suicide notes that both apologize for the act, but also try and claim that things will be better after the initial shock passes.

If you’ve never been to that point, fine. But if you have—and I have, and have barely teetered back from the brink—it’s so damn complicated when another suicide happens, and you see it both ways at once.

I probably don’t need to say it to those here who know, but, from all I’ve ever heard from or about those who suffer(ed) it, severe clinical depression is a complete mindfuck, as referenced above.

Trying not to be macabre, but I have to wonder if Asia Argento supposed stepping out with some other guy in Italy recently was what sent Bourdain over the edge or if it was something like with Robin Williams, where he might have found out he was terminal or at risk of losing his “voice” to disease and just decided to go out on his own terms in Paris while with Eric Ripert, a man who FWIK was one of Bourdain’s closest friends and the one who found the body.

Eric has to be fucking tore up right now…I feel for him.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:14:31pm

re: #185 TedStriker

I probably don’t need to say it to those here who know, but, from all I’ve ever heard from or about those who suffer(ed) it, severe clinical depression is a complete mindfuck, as referenced above.

Trying not to be macabre, but I have to wonder if Asia Argento supposed stepping out with some other guy in Italy recently was Bourdain’s last straw or if it was something like with Robin Williams.

I referenced Chris Cornell above. Similar situations. Cornell was on tour, he just played a show before he killed himself. Anthony Bourdain was in France (where his father is from) filming “Parts Unknown.”

As a sufferer of major depression, I can’t explain it. But things happen, you can be in the middle of something, and then your mind turns on you. I experience that frequently.

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TedStriker  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:17:00pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

I referenced Chris Cornell above. Similar situations. Cornell was on tour, he just played a show before he killed himself. Anthony Bourdain was in France (where his father is from) filming “Parts Unknown.”

As a sufferer of major depression, I can’t explain it. But things happen, you can be in the middle of something, and then your mind turns on you. I experience that frequently.

Eric Ripert was with him in Paris filming this episode and he was the one who found the body…you know he’s fucking wrecked right now, not to mention all of the crew and folks with ZPZ who have been with him for twenty years.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:18:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:25:02pm

re: #177 teleskiguy

I’ll refrain from using hurtful demeaning language in response to this. But this is fucking wrong, goddamn it. This made me angry. I’ll let someone else be more articulate.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:25:26pm

I met Robin Williams in Beaver Creek, CO. He came into the ski shop I was working in, needed some goggles. He bought the most expensive pair we had ($500), they had a camera and GPS capability to track your vertical feet skied and average/top speed while skiing.

Nice guy, man of few words in public. I can remember him walking around the village taking pictures of the mountains and the buildings, people just walked by, never batted an eye, he was just some other rich dude taking pictures in Beaver Creek. I think he was truly happy in those moments, when he was just a regular guy. He performed that night in the Vilar Center, tickets were $150.

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TedStriker  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:30:00pm

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:30:21pm

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹

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This is for everybody. Please read it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:37:14pm

re: #192 teleskiguy

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This is for everybody. Please read it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:37:36pm

Shit, I’m crying right now.

Joel plays keyboards in my favorite traveling band Umphrey’s McGee.

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JordanRules  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:43:59pm

re: #185 TedStriker

I probably don’t need to say it to those here who know, but, from all I’ve ever heard from or about those who suffer(ed) it, severe clinical depression is a complete mindfuck, as referenced above.

Trying not to be macabre, but I have to wonder if Asia Argento supposed stepping out with some other guy in Italy recently was what sent Bourdain over the edge or if it was something like with Robin Williams, where he might have found out he was terminal or at risk of losing his “voice” to disease and just decided to go out on his own terms in Paris while with Eric Ripert, a man who FWIK was one of Bourdain’s closest friends and the one who found the body.

Eric has to be fucking tore up right now…I feel for him.

Please leave that supposed Asia stuff alone for right now.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:46:21pm

Headline of the day.

No leader is forever, Macron says as ‘G6’ gears up to confront Trump

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:52:59pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Somolia”

Next to Nambia

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 8, 2018 • 11:55:22pm

re: #191 TedStriker

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:24:32am

Bill Maher is a fool. That is all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:25:51am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹

Conservatives govern without shame and liberals shame without governing.

It makes a good catchphrase and is not without some degree of substance but is only a catchphrase.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:25:58am
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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:26:41am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹

Bill Maher is a fool. That is all.

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Both middle fingers to him.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:30:35am
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:35:39am

Ha ha

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:38:30am

re: #204 Single-handed sailor

Schiff writes to Nunes and asks him to share witness transcripts to Mueller’s team, suggesting that “certain witnesses” may have lied to the House committee and may have to face perjury charges

There is so much contradictory evidence already given that somebody will have to face perjury over it…and I cannot imagine Trump testifying without contradicting or perjuring himself.

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Kragar  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:54:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 1:01:49am

re: #206 Kragar

The Dinesh D’Souza Film Marathon

I beg your pardon

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 1:04:41am

California generates more power from solar than gas in May

During May utility-scale solar provided 17% of generation on California’s grid, outpacing gas for the first time on a monthly basis.

California renewable energy goals continue to be met.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 1:07:34am

re: #208 Single-handed sailor

California generates more power from solar than gas in May

During May utility-scale solar provided 17% of generation on California’s grid, outpacing gas for the first time on a monthly basis.

California renewable energy goals continue to be met.

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Germany generates as much power from renewables (wind, solar, biomass) than from coal and gas

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 1:25:33am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The only coal used in California, 0.1% of the power generated, is from a mining company that burns it for its own electricty usage.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 1:27:01am

re: #210 Single-handed sailor

Must be Republican owned.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 1:35:44am

There is a new Sense8 ‘final episode’ on Netflix. I think it was a well done video opera.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:38:11am

Well, I’m off to bed. This was quite an intensive discussion tonight.

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Teukka  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:24:21am

Just discovered this song. Sorry if it spoils your morning. :’(

Band Of Brothers Soundtrack - Discovery Of The Camp

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jeffreyw  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:22:35am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:35:51am

Switched over to the liquid food feeders, I see.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:51:32am

re: #143 Belafon

Yep:

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They pretty much prove what I’ve been saying about them for years. They care more about guns than people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:53:10am

re: #214 Teukka

Just discovered this song. Sorry if it spoils your morning. :’(

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Video

I thought it had an amazing soundtrack that really set the mood for the scenes. Have you seen the miniseries? Some complained it was too American centric but you have to understand that it’s about one American combat company’s experiences from boot camp to the Eagles Nest.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:55:50am

Except for the stacked plastic chairs and the streetsigns, this photo could almost be mistaken for a hundred years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:58:07am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

Except for the stacked plastic chairs and the streetsigns, this photo could almost be mistaken for a hundred years ago.

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Yeah it’s very retro looking.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:00:27am

Morning!

Just caught up with the thread. Only one thing to say about discussion of suicide.

How do people get into a bit of an argument about it? I guess I don’t understand.

It is something that is so personal to the individual and their state of mind at any given time that impressions about what it means and who it hurts are also different at any given time.

I think when emotions are raw, it is best for everyone to just let it out…without judgement. If you are discussing extreme lows and highs how do we know the state of mind of the individual who makes a comment that others do not like? Those comments may be totally different tomorrow. To pounce on them tonight is not understanding, it is judging. The same judging that drives people to go through the thoughts of their own self-worth.

You just never know.

And as far as Bill Maher…of course I have a previous Photoshop for him too.

Bill Maher gets deep.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:00:38am

YIKES!
Lightning forked and struck at least two places at the same time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:08:17am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It makes a good catchphrase and is not without some degree of substance but is only a catchphrase.

Maher is a jerk but it wasn’t just him; the point he and his entire panel were making is that the Democrats have to be more vocal about the ties between Trump and Putin; most Americans are falling for the notion that the Mueller investigation hasn’t turned up anything yet. Only Adam Schiff is speaking. Others need to speak too, loudly enough so that the media will pay attention and start booking them on their shows or profiling them in their papers.

Except for fund-raising letters, the Democrats seem to be MIA. There needs to be a constant public reminder of the damage Trump has done across the board, his criminal inaction on Puerto Rico, his lies, the outrages of his cabinet of thieves.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:09:25am

I’m late to the suicide discussion too. I hate suicide being characterized as a selfish act because it ignores that person is suffering and selfish to me implies malice. Depression though mainly anxiety is something I’ve lived with for years. Am I good enough? Can/do I function in society? Those are the sort of questions I’d ask myself. Everyone suffers uniquely so I don’t know how Bourdain or Kate Spade did but I just wanted people to accept me warts and all. Wanted them to see past my slight stutter that goes up when I get nervous or my troubles with eye contact. TBH at 30, I feel more comfortable with people than I did at 20 and definitely 15. But still, it’s a struggle. Being ASD I think magnifies those struggles because you feel not of this world sometimes. You watch happy couples, families, etc and you want that for yourself but know how much harder that is to obtain. There was a period where I really abused alcohol bad. I’d black out. I guess myself that I’d give someone with anxiety or depression is let them know that you care about them. My brother recently gave me a much needed kick in the ass by encouraging me to walk and be outdoors more again. And tomorrow I’m going on a short hike on the Appalachian trail.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:18:16am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I agree. Suicide is not a selfish act; it’s an act of despair. It usually is not a logical response to one’s personal condition but an emotional response to overwhelming feelings of hopelessness and psychological pain and a belief that the world would be better off without you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:19:57am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I’m late to the suicide discussion too. I hate suicide being characterized as a selfish act because it ignores that person is suffering and selfish to me implies malice.

It is also as subjective and different as each personal situation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:22:05am

re: #223 Hecuba’s daughter

most Americans are falling for the notion that the Mueller investigation hasn’t turned up anything yet.

We are sensation and headline junkies. Mueller has to play his cards close to his chest, take measured steps and leave no room for anyone to impinge on his results.

Even then, the GOP will do its dilly damn best to ignore or disregard them so they do not feel compelled to act.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:22:17am

Food Warning!

CDC: Pre-cut melon linked to salmonella reports in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri and Ohio

CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are warning Ohio residents to not eat pre-cut melon from Walmart after an investigation into 60 salmonella cases in five states.

It’s not just Walmart pre-cut melon. Indiana and Michigan residents are also advised to throw away melon from Kroger, Jay C, or Payless stores after the outbreaks, according to a CDC press release Friday.

This includes pre-cut melon in salad mixes.

There is only one reported case related to this outbreak in Ohio thus far.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is currently trying to find the supplier to affected stores. Walmart and Kroger removed all pre-cut melon from the states where cases occurred. The list of states and stores could expand depending on the investigation.

If you’re an Ohio resident and purchased pre-cut melon from Walmart, or don’t remember where you bought the pre-cut melon, throw it away.

To keep in the loop with this outbreak, click here.

The number of cases reported in each state as of Friday afternoon are:

Illinois: 6
Indiana: 11
Michigan: 32
Missouri: 10
Ohio: 1

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:23:07am

re: #225 Hecuba’s daughter

I agree. Suicide is not a selfish act; it’s an act of despair. It usually is not a logical response to one’s personal condition but an emotional response to overwhelming feelings of hopelessness and psychological pain and a belief that the world would be better off without you.

Nailed it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:23:53am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also as subjective and different as each personal situation.

Preciesly.

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:31:47am

Hugh Hewitt thinks Trump’s next pardon should be Petraeus.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:32:28am

re: #228 ObserverArt

Food Warning!

CDC: Pre-cut melon linked to salmonella reports in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Missouri and Ohio

pre-cut, pre-wrapped fruit is an abomination. I can at least understand that one big melon might be too much at once

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:32:59am

re: #231 sagehen

Hugh Hewitt thinks Trump’s next pardon should be Petraeus.

how about pardoning gerald for for pardoning nixon?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:36:13am

re: #231 sagehen

Hugh Hewitt thinks Trump’s next pardon should be Petraeus.

Of course he does. I remember during the Surge, they wanted Petraeus to be their new Eisenhower but Eisenhower more often than not put country above politics and ego which is why he was one of the greatest generals this country ever had. Can’t say the same about Petraeus. He fell in love with the glowing portraits the right painted of him.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:38:29am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I’m late to the suicide discussion too. I hate suicide being characterized as a selfish act because it ignores that person is suffering and selfish to me implies malice. Depression though mainly anxiety is something I’ve lived with for years. Am I good enough? Can/do I function in society? Those are the sort of questions I’d ask myself. Everyone suffers uniquely so I don’t know how Bourdain or Kate Spade did but I just wanted people to accept me warts and all. Wanted them to see past my slight stutter that goes up when I get nervous or my troubles with eye contact. TBH at 30, I feel more comfortable with people than I did at 20 and definitely 15. But still, it’s a struggle. Being ASD I think magnifies those struggles because you feel not of this world sometimes. You watch happy couples, families, etc and you want that for yourself but know how much harder that is to obtain. There was a period where I really abused alcohol bad. I’d black out. I guess myself that I’d give someone with anxiety or depression is let them know that you care about them. My brother recently gave me a much needed kick in the ass by encouraging me to walk and be outdoors more again. And tomorrow I’m going on a short hike on the Appalachian trail.

The only point I was trying to make is there is nothing to be gained by giving someone grief about how they may think suicide is selfish. Maybe that person feels that way because they lost someone they miss greatly. Isn’t that a real human emotion too?

I know a guy that lost his brother when he was in high school. It left him hollow up to today. Almost 50 years now. And he often times feels his brother robbed his parents and him and he often times say it destroyed his parents. Isn’t that in a way saying his brother’s act was selfish? If not, what is it? I’m open for understanding.

Again…I think it best to listen. To all points. Isn’t that how a mental healthcare professional would handle it?

This October will be 20 years that I lost a real close musician/artist/housemate to suicide. It still stings. I have additional things to say about that night that chill me to the bone. Unexplained things. So, I tried to stay out of the discussion yesterday.

I was just bummed to see it become a bit contentious. I see no benefit in that. That is all I have to say, and will be the last thing I will say about any of it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:41:48am

re: #235 ObserverArt

The only point I was trying to make is there is nothing to be gained by giving someone grief about how they may think suicide is selfish. Maybe that person feels that way because they lost someone they miss greatly. Isn’t that a real human emotion too?

I know a guy that lost his brother when he was in high school. It left him hollow up to today. Almost 50 years now. And he often times feels his brother robbed his parents and him and he often times say it destroyed his parents. Isn’t that in a way saying his brother’s act was selfish? If not, what is it? I’m open for understanding.

Again…I think it best to listen. To all points. Isn’t that how a mental healthcare professional would handle it?

This October will be 20 years that I lost a real close musician/artist/housemate to suicide. It still stings. I have additional things to say about that night that chill me to the bone. Unexplained things. So, I tried to stay out of the discussion yesterday.

I was just bummed to see it become a bit contentious. I see no benefit in that. That is all I have to say, and will be the last thing I will say about any of it.

Oh I wasn’t addressing you specifically. I just see suicide labeled as selfish a lot and I think that’s incorrect for the reasons I underlined. And I agree with what you’re saying. And I’m sorry about your housemate as well. I can’t imagine. We’re good. I wasn’t trying to school you or anything. Just giving my two cents since I missed the discussion last night and I’ve suffered from anxiety related depression on and off for sometime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:43:02am

re: #235 ObserverArt

I know a guy that lost his brother when he was in high school. It left him hollow up to today. Almost 50 years now. And he often times feels his brother robbed his parents and him and he often times say it destroyed his parents. Isn’t that in a way saying his brother’s act was selfish? If not, what is it? I’m open for understanding.

About 20-odd years ago we lost a bandmate. Threw himself in the River Main in Frankfurt. But we are still not sure if it was suicide or a paranoid attack (he was prone to such things) and he thought he needed to swim away across the river to keep the Russian spies from implanting a transceiver in his brain or such like.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:47:14am

OA so it’s clear, I don’t disagree with the belief that suicide deprives family and friends of a loved one. I don’t like the word selfish used to describe the act because I personally see selfishness as a malicious thing. I’m not sure the proper word here. I understand why people use selfish since selfish by definition is an act where the person is only thinking of themselves. But I selfish behavior in addition to being malicious, something that is well thought out. Perhaps we can agree there are different forms of selfishness. I admit I’m a little sensitive about calling out suicide victims as cowards (which I know you did not) because I think that just doesn’t help the discussion trying to help someone feel better.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:07:10am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:21:22am

re: #240 dangerman

Drop “Mueller” in every now and then, then turn and glance quickly at Trump and burst into laughter.

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garzooma  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:25:58am

re: #223 Hecuba’s daughter

Maher is a jerk but it wasn’t just him; the point he and his entire panel were making is that the Democrats have to be more vocal about the ties between Trump and Putin; most Americans are falling for the notion that the Mueller investigation hasn’t turned up anything yet.

Hell, Jon Stewart said “let’s be honest with ourselves. We don’t really give a fuck about Russia”. Steve Bannon seems to care more about it than the average Democrat (calling the Trump tower meeting “treasonous”).

Only Adam Schiff is speaking. Others need to speak too, loudly enough so that the media will pay attention and start booking them on their shows or profiling them in their papers.

Except for fund-raising letters, the Democrats seem to be MIA.

There are a few others besides Schiff, but far too few. Another item from this week illustrates the point. Another Democrat with the right idea, Rep. Eric Swalwell, is introducing a bill requiring campaigns to report foreign governments trying to collude with US campaigns. I immediately asked my congressman, David Cicilline of RI, to co-sponsor. I just got a response. First off, the response completely ignored the bill I mentioned, instead giving me a boilerplate “call for an independent, bipartisan investigation in order to investigate Russian”. But worse was the lack of references to the attacks on the Mueller investigation and the obvious obstruction, only getting a mention of “House Republicans’ reluctance to investigate”. No wonder Stewart thinks Democrats “don’t give a f*ck”.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:32:22am

Woke up to a whole lot of birds singing.

First time this year.

Summer’s finally here.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:32:41am

Some people get very excited about rugby, apparently:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:35:55am

re: #243 Joe Bacon 🌹

Woke up to a whole lot of birds singing.

First time this year.

Summer’s finally here.

Still the best season of the year. Doesn’t matter how old I get.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:50:15am

re: #177 teleskiguy

I honestly believe that most suicides aren’t about death. They’re about wanting the pain to stop. Depression lies like a motherfucker, tells you no one cares, your life is worthless and you are not worthy of love. It doesn’t just go away when you’re having a good day, or by thinking more positive thoughts(that drives me completely into a fit a wanting to slap people). It hurts. Every.Fucking.Day. It’s there when you wake up and before you fall asleep. It’s there when you’re celebrating something and on the outside people think you’re fine.

It’s relentless. And exhausting. It gets in the way of everything no matter how successful you are or aren’t. And after awhile a lot of people just can’t cope anymore. It’s not selfish, it’s sad. When your brain is wired this way you don’t think too far around the corner, you just want the pain to stop.

What we fucking need is more mental healthcare options. Facilities that don’t cost 40K a month for care that’s not always based on science and medicine. More research into how our brains work and how much we actually can do as patients and how much medical intervention works and how it varies in individuals. Research into treatment options. We also lack the sheer numbers of therapists and medical personnel needed to handle the issue. College degrees are not cheap and I fear a lot of awesome potential doctors and therapists are repelled by the cost. There aren’t enough beds, the system is broken. Stigma doesn’t help either.

We have work to do.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:52:44am

We need to stop being a selfish society IMO. Saw a tweet from Ivanka Trump showing sadness for Kate Spade’s death and someone correctly pointed out how her father’s budget takes quite a bit of funds away from mental health. That’s exactly why Sam Bee called her a feckless C***, talk a good game but do nothing ultimately. We’re too damn whiny about the fact that our taxes may go up rather than help our fellow man.

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:52:51am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

My brother recently gave me a much needed kick in the ass by encouraging me to walk and be outdoors more again. And tomorrow I’m going on a short hike on the Appalachian trail.

actual literal Appalachian trail? Or is this the Mark Sanford euphemism?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:57:11am

re: #248 sagehen

actual literal Appalachian trail? Or is this the Mark Sanford euphemism?

bearsdencenter.org

Pretty cool place. Not too long or hard a hike and it’s got a beautiful overlook.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:15:27am

Just turned on the TV and The French Open is on. I see a young Black American woman, Sloane Stephens, is playing for the championship. Cool. I did not know an American made it to the final match. She is already ahead by winning the first set and the second set is tied at 2. Good to see.

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retired cynic  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:15:57am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹

Bill Maher is a fool. That is all.

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re: #213 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I’m off to bed. This was quite an intensive discussion tonight.

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Teukka  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:22:51am

re: #246 A Mom Anon

I honestly believe that most suicides aren’t about death. They’re about wanting the pain to stop. Depression lies like a motherfucker, tells you no one cares, your life is worthless and you are not worthy of love. It doesn’t just go away when you’re having a good day, or by thinking more positive thoughts(that drives me completely into a fit a wanting to slap people). It hurts. Every.Fucking.Day. It’s there when you wake up and before you fall asleep. It’s there when you’re celebrating something and on the outside people think you’re fine.

It’s relentless. And exhausting. It gets in the way of everything no matter how successful you are or aren’t. And after awhile a lot of people just can’t cope anymore. It’s not selfish, it’s sad. When your brain is wired this way you don’t think too far around the corner, you just want the pain to stop.

What we fucking need is more mental healthcare options. Facilities that don’t cost 40K a month for care that’s not always based on science and medicine. More research into how our brains work and how much we actually can do as patients and how much medical intervention works and how it varies in individuals. Research into treatment options. We also lack the sheer numbers of therapists and medical personnel needed to handle the issue. College degrees are not cheap and I fear a lot of awesome potential doctors and therapists are repelled by the cost. There aren’t enough beds, the system is broken. Stigma doesn’t help either.

We have work to do.

re: #247 HappyWarrior

We need to stop being a selfish society IMO. Saw a tweet from Ivanka Trump showing sadness for Kate Spade’s death and someone correctly pointed out how her father’s budget takes quite a bit of funds away from mental health. That’s exactly why Sam Bee called her a feckless C***, talk a good game but do nothing ultimately. We’re too damn whiny about the fact that our taxes may go up rather than help our fellow man.

I think there may lay a portion of the resistance to socialized healthcare. If healthcare is socialized, then the govt will get specified what portion goes to what care etc. And if one or a handful of those bullet points on the list are remarkably large, the govt has to figure out why it is so and how to prevent it.

I figured a long time ago that the resistance to socialized healthcare is basically avoiding to realize, in an in-your-face fashion, that todays society is so flawed it breaks a sad amount of people.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:24:17am

re: #231 sagehen

Hugh Hewitt thinks Trump’s next pardon should be Petraeus.

I refuse to listen to Hewitt. He’s a disgrace to MSNBC and should be fired.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:34:12am

re: #253 Teukka
I know that for me personally, the lack of everyday kindness and compassion makes me want to scream and it makes my depression worse. Intellectually I know that the shittiest people make the most noise and make themselves bigger than they are, but when you can’t find that compassion in your own life, it seems like the world is just fucked and nothing to do will make it better.

Music saves me almost daily. I wish I could communicate that to the artists I love.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:37:14am

re: #253 Teukka

I think there may lay a portion of the resistance to socialized healthcare. If healthcare is socialized, then the govt will get specified what portion goes to what care etc. And if one or a handful of those bullet points on the list are remarkably large, the govt has to figure out why it is so and how to prevent it.

I figured a long time ago that the resistance to socialized healthcare is basically avoiding to realize, in an in-your-face fashion, that todays society is so flawed it breaks a sad amount of people.

Single payer, which is the only alternative proposal for complete coverage under discussion in this country, is not socialized medicine. As far as I can tell, those opposed to the ACA and/or single payer basically do not want to pay for other people’s care. They will use different arguments but it really comes down to being selfish and lacking empathy. You know — Granny starvers like Paul Ryan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:41:14am

re: #256 Hecuba’s daughter

Single payer, which is the only alternative proposal for complete coverage under discussion in this country, is not socialized medicine. As far as I can tell, those opposed to the ACA and/or single payer basically do not want to pay for other people’s care. They will use different arguments but it really comes down to being selfish and lacking empathy. You know — Granny starvers like Paul Ryan.

It is a lack of basic understanding of the economic model under which health care works. It is not just paying for each visit to the doctor/dentist, but in minimizing the overall costs of healthcare.

We already have socialized medicine in form of the Emergency Health Care Act, which means that emergency care will be provided regardless of ability to pay…and what happens in the cases of those who cannot?

It gets SOCIALIZED. As in the costs get passed on the the diminishing pool of people who can still afford insurance.

And a lot of emergency care could be avoided by simple treatment, pills or therapy that might cost a few hundred bucks instead of an emergency operation that costs tens of thousands.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:47:15am

LeftWingConspirator wrote a good Page on Bourdain.

I watched his CNN show religiously, in part due to my obsession/infatuation with him and my own constant, and driving requirement to travel and explore this amazing world as often as I am able, but how he did what he did. No ego. No sense of superiority — and unlike the Rick Steves of the travel world (no offense!), he just fucking dove in head-first, no toe-testing, into the deepest, darkest, coldest places, culturally — and made friends everywhere due to his unquenchable appetite for his fellow humans, their culture, their history.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:53:33am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:56:18am

re: #259 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Macron says it more politely — Trump pissed all over the Iran deal for the same reason he watched two hookers pee on that hotel bed in Moscow: because Barack Obama makes Donald Trump feel small and impotent. It’s not more complicated than that.

only slightly more complicated: the only way DT can make is mark is by undoing as much of Obama as he can, as he is generally devoid of ideas or means to implement them

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:57:17am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:58:30am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:59:05am

re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:00:56am

“We’ve concluded a really successful G7.”

Ranty tweets about the other six countries coming in 3…2…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:03:24am
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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:07:02am

re: #223 Hecuba’s daughter

Maher is a jerk but it wasn’t just him; the point he and his entire panel were making is that the Democrats have to be more vocal about the ties between Trump and Putin; most Americans are falling for the notion that the Mueller investigation hasn’t turned up anything yet. Only Adam Schiff is speaking. Others need to speak too, loudly enough so that the media will pay attention and start booking them on their shows or profiling them in their papers.

Except for fund-raising letters, the Democrats seem to be MIA. There needs to be a constant public reminder of the damage Trump has done across the board, his criminal inaction on Puerto Rico, his lies, the outrages of his cabinet of thieves.

And you’re falling for the notion that Dems aren’t talking about it. That’s just not true.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:09:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:10:05am

re: #266 JordanRules

And you’re falling for the notion that Dems aren’t talking about it. That’s just not true.

All we heard about Hillary was E-Mails, Clinton Foundation “scandals” and criticism of Trump

Meanwhile, when Hillary was giving a speech on better employment opportunities for the handicapped, the networks were giving us an hour of empty podium waiting fro Trump to come and give excuses about his own charitable foundation…

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:10:16am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:15:54am

WaPa on the toddler-in-chief:

Trump delivers his most defiant trade threat yet to leaders at G-7, floats end to tariffs and penalties for those who don’t agree


By Washington Post Staff


June 9 at 11:09 AM ET


President Trump told foreign leaders at the Group of Seven summit that they must dramatically reduce trade barriers with the United States or they could lose access to the world’s largest economy.


Trump, in a news conference before leaving for Singapore, described private conversations he held over two days with the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and Canada. He said he pushed them to consider removing every single tariff or trade barrier on American goods, and that in return he would do the same.

But if steps aren’t taken, he said, the penalties would be severe.
”We’re the piggy bank that everybody is robbing,” Trump said. “And that ends.”

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:16:07am

Daniel has a really long thread covering Trump’s remarks today. I don’t blame you if you don’t want to read it.
It’s as ridiculous as you expect.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:16:40am

Fact—Democrats ARE talking about the Russia mess but our Corporate Censored Conservative Press distracts away from it.

Look at the Sunday Gasbag shows where you’ll always see plenty of RepubliKKKlans and Bernie but you rarely if ever see an actual Democrat.

And then we go to the SNOOZEpaper of record the Screw York Times which once again breaks out the pitchforks and torches to attack the Clenis. Oh and they still treat Hillary as if she was their very own litter box. When it comes to the Kompromat blackmailed Republicans—the Screw York Times pooh poohs it.

I can never forgive the Screw York Times for lying us into war with Iraq. And it’s not only them, it’s liars like Fred Hiatt at the Washington Post as well who beat that war drum.

The best thing that can come out of the G6 is marginalizing Tweeterlini and increasing economic pressure on the US.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:18:07am

re: #265 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Woody Harrelson gets better as he gets older.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:19:42am

Editorial cartoon from a paper in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:20:52am

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:21:17am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:22:40am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a lack of basic understanding of the economic model under which health care works. It is not just paying for each visit to the doctor/dentist, but in minimizing the overall costs of healthcare.

We already have socialized medicine in form of the Emergency Health Care Act, which means that emergency care will be provided regardless of ability to pay…and what happens in the cases of those who cannot?

It gets SOCIALIZED. As in the costs get passed on the the diminishing pool of people who can still afford insurance.

And a lot of emergency care could be avoided by simple treatment, pills or therapy that might cost a few hundred bucks instead of an emergency operation that costs tens of thousands.

The Act is very limited; it does not cover chronic conditions — cancer, diabetes, etc. And since the cost is spread to those who have insurance, it’s not really socialized — socialized implies that the cost is paid by the government.

If Trump really wanted to accomplish something good for the country while eliminating the ACA, he would announce support for Medicare for all and actually push it through. But he won’t because he is thoroughly evil as is the entire GOP in Washington.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:23:07am
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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:24:34am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:24:57am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:26:33am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m surprised he showed up at all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:29:21am

doh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:31:01am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:31:50am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #282 Big Beautiful Door

I’m surprised he showed up at all.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:32:43am

re: #270 Colère Tueur de Lapin

WaPa on the toddler-in-chief:
…..
President Trump told foreign leaders at the Group of Seven summit that they must dramatically reduce trade barriers with the United States or they could lose access to the world’s largest economy.

……

They would lose access to China? ///

Under PPP, China is now the largest economy. But in a few years, it will be the largest economy using GDP. Of course, with Trump in charge, we will experience a real decline and China will be triumphant than much sooner.

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Citizen K  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:34:40am

re: #272 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fact—Democrats ARE talking about the Russia mess but our Corporate Censored Conservative Press distracts away from it.

Look at the Sunday Gasbag shows where you’ll always see plenty of RepubliKKKlans and Bernie but you rarely if ever see an actual Democrat.

And then we go to the SNOOZEpaper of record the Screw York Times which once again breaks out the pitchforks and torches to attack the Clenis. Oh and they still treat Hillary as if she was their very own litter box. When it comes to the Kompromat blackmailed Republicans—the Screw York Times pooh poohs it.

I can never forgive the Screw York Times for lying us into war with Iraq. And it’s not only them, it’s liars like Fred Hiatt at the Washington Post as well who beat that war drum.

The best thing that can come out of the G6 is marginalizing Tweeterlini and increasing economic pressure on the US.

This. It’s fucking clear that, not just on Russia but on god near everything, Dems can talk and talk and talk, and scream with hair on fire, but the only time they’ll seem to get coverage is if they can imply something about the Clintons, or play the ‘both sides same thing’ game. All others, we might as well not exist. Best to put a 1000th “Trump Voters in Trump Country’ profile, or fill the Sunday Shows with GOPers with maybe a Berner as counterpoint…but most likely putting a Third Way guy at best as that counterpoint.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:35:45am

re: #271 JordanRules

Daniel has a really long thread covering Trump’s remarks today. I don’t blame you if you don’t want to read it.
It’s as ridiculous as you expect.

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Sounds like Trump plans to grab Kim by the pussy.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:35:53am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All we heard about Hillary was E-Mails, Clinton Foundation “scandals” and criticism of Trump

Meanwhile, when Hillary was giving a speech on better employment opportunities for the handicapped, the networks were giving us an hour of empty podium waiting fro Trump to come and give excuses about his own charitable foundation…

That was the Democrats fault too. They should have all gotten together announced they were going to stomp their feet and hold their breath until they all turned blue!

Wait…whut?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:36:28am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You’re the same guy who used the War of 1812 to justify tariffs on Canada. Shut up. It’s not about what’s good for the US. It’s about what’s good for yourself and your puppetmaster, Vlad.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:37:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:37:19am

re: #285 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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heh, Borger called it the G6.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:37:42am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Maybe because he didn’t want World War fucking 3. But I get it Donald, you’re fine with Russia fucking over its neighbors and you’re fine with screwing over our longtime allies just so your pal Vlad will be happy. You’re a disgrace.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:38:01am

re: #291 JordanRules

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Goddamn it all.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:38:35am

re: #271 JordanRules

Daniel has a really long thread covering Trump’s remarks today. I don’t blame you if you don’t want to read it.
It’s as ridiculous as you expect.

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Trump is going to come out of the North Korean meeting minus his wallet and his pants with thinking he can tell Kim’s intent in the first minute.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:39:42am
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Citizen K  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:40:37am

re: #291 JordanRules

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But you know what, it’s ok, because that guy was probably MS-13 and therefore an animal. Thusly we shouldn’t care because it’s not like he was HUMAN or something…. ////////

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:42:38am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah. Just like George W Bush looking into Vladamir Putin’s eyes…

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Jay C  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:46:14am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m just wondering when/if anybody is going to finally be pushing back on Trump’s mindless “Blame-Obama” BS as the answer to any problem in the world? Hell, I’m wondering when Barack Obama is going to pushing back on the BS! When Russia annexed the Crimea (by military force) - what exactly were President Obama’s options (outside of what he actually did)? IMO, there was just one: war with Russia to “recover” the Crimea by force. A policy which, IIRC, had very few advocates then or now….

ADD: and pace Molly McKew, Crimea actually is “Russia”, i.e. populated mostly by people who consider themselves “Russian”, and that the administration of the territory by Ukraine was a bureaucratic mis-step from the Soviet era. Not that that excuses the annexation (except to the Russians, of course)…

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:46:16am

re: #291 JordanRules

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Considering what kind of people ICE is hiring and how little oversight there is… I wouldn’t be so quick to believe this death was self-inflicted.

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Teukka  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:46:21am

File under “I’m not making this shit up, really”:
Canadian Couple Loses Custody Of Their Daughter After God-Channeling Stuffed Lion Acts As Their Lawyer

A Vancouver couple’s bizarre devotion to God caused them to lose custody of their child.

Intervening family members, doctors, and social workers were at odds with the couple’s extreme religious views in a court case in which the parents refused legal assistance. A stuffed lion served as their lawyer, witness, and judge, according to the Vancouver Sun.

The couple claimed the plush toy was a conduit for Jesus Christ and would speak in tongues to communicate with Him.

Their one-year-old daughter, whose name was withheld, was in need of protection and placed in provincial custody by the Provincial Court of British Columbia in November

The couple met in 2014 when their mutual interest in the Christian faith drew them together, but their working and living arrangements became unstable when they began moving from one community to another.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:46:25am

Really…read the screenshots of Tiana’s post.
Read them now.

Then, read the rest of Coyle’s thread for two more examples of getting involved.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:47:30am
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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:48:41am

re: #277 Hecuba’s daughter

The Act is very limited; it does not cover chronic conditions — cancer, diabetes, etc. And since the cost is spread to those who have insurance, it’s not really socialized — socialized implies that the cost is paid by the government.

If Trump really wanted to accomplish something good for the country while eliminating the ACA, he would announce support for Medicare for all and actually push it through. But he won’t because he is thoroughly evil as is the entire GOP in Washington.

If insurance costs are spread to those that have insurance, is that not still a form of socialized insurance?

I know what you are saying, but insurance by nature counts on a form of people joining together under a company instead of the government.

And, companies are in it for profit. The government only need to cover their own expenses for operations of a national insurance. Profit is not needed.

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The Major  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:48:48am

re: #267 JordanRules

Christ on a pony - Michael Moore meeting with Julian Assange.

Now I really fear for the US. If only Michael Moore really knew who he was meeting with in the Ecudaorian Embassy and met some true hackers of the early 1980’s…but alas, he suffers from “He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know” syndrome.

Moore needs to be re-calibrated….

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:50:15am

re: #266 JordanRules

And you’re falling for the notion that Dems aren’t talking about it. That’s just not true.

I don’t think that June is the time to be bearing down on this. Certainly we should be getting out the correct story (multiple indictments, clear evidence of collusion) when the subject is raised, but the time to emphasize it is closer to the midterms — or when Mueller really starts serving warrants.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:52:40am

re: #305 The Major

Christ on a pony - Michael Moore meeting with Julian Assange.

Now I really fear for the US. If only Michael Moore really knew who he was meeting with in the Ecudaorian Embassy and met some true hackers of the early 1980’s…but alas, he suffers from “He doesn’t know what he doesn’t know” syndrome.

Moore needs to be re-calibrated….

have to give him some credit: he explained as early as summer of 2016 how and why Trump was going to win and in plain terms: he just had to carry all the states that the GOP carried in 2012 plus OH, WI, MI and PA…the numbers added up to an electgoral majority, even without Florida.

And the GOP concentrated their efforts there (with a little help from their tovarischi) and carried the election.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:53:56am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really…read the screenshots of Tina’s post.
Read them now.

Then, read the rest of Coyle’s thread for two more examples of getting involved.

All of that was so damn good and so damn necessary!!

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:54:01am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

There he is with his fake ass ‘grin’ which anyone and everyone knows is forced.

And damn, can he send signals about what he thinks by his actions. I don’t supposed there was an intended message being sent by not arriving at breakfast with a theme of gender equality.

I guess all (or the few) women that work in the White House and the millions of white women that voted for him care one bit about gender equality.

Maybe they want white women equality only???

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:57:02am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:57:36am

re: #297 Citizen K

But you know what, it’s ok, because that guy was probably MS-13 and therefore an animal. Thusly we shouldn’t care because it’s not like he was HUMAN or something…. ////////

Just stop. Even with sarc tags, that is a bridge too far.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:58:25am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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doh…

I’m concerned about John Harwood’s state of mind. He’s been saying a lot of really dumb shit lately about Trump.

Where have you been John? Trump’s whole run for president and his one and a half years in office have been disturbing and rambling nonsense.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:58:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:58:49am
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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:00:39am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:02:08am

re: #315 JordanRules

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Gee I’m shocked. Gotta appease the angry wingnut crowd even though Jackson hated banking.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:04:15am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Gee I’m shocked. Gotta appease the angry wingnut crowd even though Jackson hated banking.

At this point and time I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Trump demanded that his picture be placed on all U.S. currency.

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Chrysicat  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:04:28am
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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:04:38am

re: #299 Jay C

I’m just wondering when/if anybody is going to finally be pushing back on Trump’s mindless “Blame-Obama” BS as the answer to any problem in the world? Hell, I’m wondering when Barack Obama is going to pushing back on the BS! When Russia annexed the Crimea (by military force) - what exactly were President Obama’s options (outside of what he actually did)? IMO, there was just one: war with Russia to “recover” the Crimea by force. A policy which, IIRC, had very few advocates then or now….

And if Obama does push back…what do you think the response to it will be?

I guess people are not paying attention to how the media is treating Trump. And with that, how anything said about and against him is treated, especially from Obama and any Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:04:43am

re: #317 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

At this point and time I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Trump demanded that his picture be placed on all U.S. currency.

He’s probably wondering how he can.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:05:57am

very long, but extremely interesting, thread begins with this:

this is somewhere in the middle:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:06:04am

re: #318 Chrysicat

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Yeah how dare they expect their nominee to be a member of their party. That’s so absurd. Fucking Bernie can’t even appeal to PoC.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:06:09am

re: #315 JordanRules

You know that Trump really wants his fucked up face put on all US currency.

That would surely incentivize the rest of the world to dump the dollar as the reserve currency!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:08:33am

re: #315 JordanRules

This is my surprised face.

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Citizen K  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:10:56am

re: #311 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Just stop. Even with sarc tags, that is a bridge too far.

I mean…it’s what I have to do to keep from just crying at the whole thing altogether. And that’s literally the mindset that stands in the way of actually doing something about it. It’s that exact dehumanizing mindset that created this situation and gleefully immerses the country in that kind of xenophobic fever pitch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:11:27am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:11:39am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Gee I’m shocked. Gotta appease the angry wingnut crowd even though Jackson hated banking.

Trump will probably try to put himself on the fucking bill.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:12:00am

re: #323 Joe Bacon 🌹

You know that Trump really wants his fucked up face put on all US currency.

That would surely incentivize the rest of the world to dump the dollar as the reserve currency!

And replace it with what? (That’s always been the problem.)

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:12:04am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Gee I’m shocked. Gotta appease the angry wingnut crowd even though Jackson hated banking.

Gotta appease the angry nut president.

Another great example of how much he cares for his blacks. And I bet this was done by Lumpy Trumpy because he sees it as Obama wanted it.

Akkk. I don’t think I can take too much more right now. Need a break.

Trump is loose in the world. Not good.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:13:06am

re: #323 Joe Bacon 🌹

Beat me by 5 minutes.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:15:01am

re: #325 Citizen K

I mean…it’s what I have to do to keep from just crying at the whole thing altogether. And that’s literally the mindset that stands in the way of actually doing something about it. It’s that exact dehumanizing mindset that created this situation and gleefully immerses the country in that kind of xenophobic fever pitch.

I don’t know if you were around when I suggested that the people here who apparently have RWNJs living rent-free in their heads should work to evict them. It’s still my advice.

Try outrage instead.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:16:40am

re: #328 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

And replace it with what? (That’s always been the problem.)

Hey there was a time before WW2 when there was no reserve currency. And that’s where we’re headed again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:16:53am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:21:20am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump doesn’t give an aerodynamic intercourse aimed at the Earth’s natural satellite about the G6 meeting. And the G6 is returning the love as His Ass-Holeyness leaves early for Singapore.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:23:11am

re: #315 JordanRules

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Well we have the currency he wants to be on. I made the image for the currency he should be on.

The Trump Ruble Note
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:23:17am

re: #334 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump doesn’t give an aerodynamic intercourse aimed at the Earth’s natural satellite about the G6 meeting. And the G6 is returning the love as His Ass-Holeyness leaves early for Singapore.

I am guessing that no single member of the group talked to Trump one-to-one and that even as a group, they were already in agreement before discussing things with Trump.

Which is fine, he all but admitted that he does not prepare for such meetings, he just packs an attitude and his “business experience”.

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I cannot.  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:23:19am

re: #334 Joe Bacon 🌹

aerodynamic intercourse

This earns an upding.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:24:02am

re: #335 Unshaken Defiance

Well we have the currency he wants to be on. I made the image for the currency he should be on.

Is that not the new bridge they just completed to link the Crimea to the Russian mainland?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:24:25am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:26:05am

re: #338 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is that not the new bridge they just completed to link the Crimea to the Russian mainland?

Why yes it is.

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MsJ  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:27:13am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really…read the screenshots of Tiana’s post.
Read them now.

Then, read the rest of Coyle’s thread for two more examples of getting involved.

That was exceptional.

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Varek Raith  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:33:07am

re: #313 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

JFC.
Reported that tweet for being offensive.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:34:29am

re: #339 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He’s a child.

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Citizen K  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:36:20am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

He’s a child.

I mean…this kind of says it all:

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:36:29am

So, Trump opens his piehole at the G7 meeting and threatens to stop trading with, well………..everyone.

And that would have serious repercussions. For instance, on the US Dollar. The value of the dollar is propped up by external international demand and we basically export the inflationary effects of our debt spending to the rest of the world.

Trump is an imbecile and doesn’t have a clue about what he’s talking about; his idea of being “an expert on global trade” consists of making a couple of manufacturing deals with Chinese suppliers for his clothing line.

Oh, and by the looks of that shitshow of a press conference, he seems to have overdosed on his Adderall this morning. The guy has ADHD.

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Citizen K  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:37:37am

re: #345 Dr Lizardo

So, Trump opens his piehole at the G7 meeting and threatens to stop trading with, well………..everyone.

And that would have serious repercussions. For instance, on the US Dollar. The value of the dollar is propped up by external international demand and we basically export the inflationary effects of our debt spending to the rest of the world.

Trump is an imbecile and doesn’t have a clue about what he’s talking about; his idea of being “an expert on global trade” consists of making a couple of manufacturing deals with Chinese suppliers for his clothing line.

Oh, and by the looks of that shitshow of a press conference, he seems to have overdosed on his Adderall this morning. The guy has ADHD.

Not everyone.

He’s damn sure excited about doing business with Russia, that’s for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:37:47am

re: #344 Citizen K

I mean…this kind of says it all:

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I’ve never been so embarrassed to be an American with him as our President.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:38:46am

re: #346 Citizen K

Not everyone.

He’s damn sure excited about doing business with Russia, that’s for sure.

Yeah, I figure he’s probably getting a kickback somewhere. Of course he’d be excited about that.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:40:37am

re: #332 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey there was a time before WW2 when there was no reserve currency. And that’s where we’re headed again.

There was a lot less international trade then. IMHO (not an economist) the chaos would be too great.

(The only candidates for replacement I can see are the EU and China. The former is none too stable (Italy) and China is not seen as an honest broker.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:41:30am

Looks like it got derailed…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:41:37am

re: #342 Varek Raith

JFC.
Reported that tweet for being offensive.

Not a chance in ten million Twitter is going to kick a tweet from the NRA off. $$$$ is all Twitter cares about.

Twitter will care when millions of people close Twitter accounts and not a second before.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:42:19am

re: #344 Citizen K

I mean…this kind of says it all:

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Oh my god. That pic is too much…
How embarrassing!

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:42:56am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

I’ve never been so embarrassed to be an American with him as our President.

I’m just waiting for the first EU nation to offer political asylum to Americans.

It’ll probably be Sweden. :D

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:43:51am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

I’m just waiting for the first EU nation to offer political asylum to Americans.

It’ll probably be Sweden. :D

I don’t want to leave but man I hate hate him and what he does in our name.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:44:21am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

I’m just waiting for the first EU nation to offer political asylum to Americans.

It’ll probably be Sweden. :D

OMW!!!!!

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:44:45am

re: #344 Citizen K

That picture speaks volumes.

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Belafon  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:45:59am

re: #349 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

There was a lot less international trade then. IMHO ( not an economist) the chaos would be too great.

(The only candidates for replacement I can see are the EU and China. The former is none too stable (Italy) and China is not seen as an honest broker.)

China’s not ready to let go of its currency for it to be the standard.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:46:21am

re: #345 Dr Lizardo

So, Trump opens his piehole at the G7 meeting and threatens to stop trading with, well………..everyone.

And that would have serious repercussions. For instance, on the US Dollar. The value of the dollar is propped up by external international demand and we basically export the inflationary effects of our debt spending to the rest of the world.

Trump is an imbecile and doesn’t have a clue about what he’s talking about; his idea of being “an expert on global trade” consists of making a couple of manufacturing deals with Chinese suppliers for his clothing line.

Oh, and by the looks of that shitshow of a press conference, he seems to have overdosed on his Adderall this morning. The guy has ADHD.

I expect Republican high rollers would rein him in (by working on other Republican officials — DT is uncontrollable. The Kochs have already parted company with him over tariffs.

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Belafon  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:46:50am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

I’m just waiting for the first EU nation to offer political asylum to Americans.

It’ll probably be Sweden. :D

France has already offered a place for US scientists.

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Belafon  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:47:20am

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

Her pinned tweet says it all:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:48:23am

re: #344 Citizen K

I mean…this kind of says it all:

Again, it is like a Rorschach Test: supporters see a Resolute American standing up for his nation’s interests, the rest of us see a pouty man-child throwing a hissy fit because nobody will bring him a Pepsi

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Belafon  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:48:41am

Trump is right now, the old guy in the nursing home that yells at the staff, refuses to take his meds, and shouts “Bingo!” every time he gets a number. And we currently don’t have a mechanism in place to remove him from the presidency.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:49:28am

re: #352 JordanRules

Oh my god. That pic is too much…
How embarrassing!

Okay. Now that I’ve had my visceral reaction as an American…I am liking Merkel’s body language there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:50:36am

re: #360 Belafon

I’m a #Democrat

I’m for the Party that embraces the diversity of our land, and the uniqueness of every State.

I’m about to explain why I refuse to promote those bluntly pushing anti-Democrat rhetoric while hypocritically setting higher standards for our candidates than theirs.

There is a bit to that tweet, but the issue is much more nuanced than can be discussed in a tweet…but then again, political discourse in our nation has been reduced to bullet points, tweets, Internet memes and thinly veiled threats…

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:51:35am
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garzooma  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:52:33am

re: #306 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I don’t think that June is the time to be bearing down on this. Certainly we should be getting out the correct story (multiple indictments, clear evidence of collusion) when the subject is raised, but the time to emphasize it is closer to the midterms — or when Mueller really starts serving warrants.

While your correct to warn about saying too much about it (pump the brakes on impeachment), I still think that much more could be safely said at this point. For one thing, the attacks on the Muller investigation need to be answered now. How hard can it be to say you’re for the FBI and against the KGB? Also, it would be nice if responses to the false claims of FBI spying would include reminders that the Democrats actually were spied on.

As an example of the totally inadequate responses we’ve been seeing, here’s my congressman’s response to my request that he co-sponsor Rep. Swalwell’s “Duty to Report Act”:

Thank you for reaching out to me regarding your support for a full investigation of Russian interference in the United States’ 2016 presidential election. I appreciate you taking the time to express your thoughts regarding this critical issue.

As you may know, in October 2016, the U.S. Intelligence Community and the Department of Homeland Security announced their confidence that the Russian government directed the hacking of U.S. political organizations and leaked private documents. On December 9, 2016, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) concluded that after reviewing Russia’s actions, Russia interfered in the U.S. elections for the purpose of altering the outcome to help elect Donald Trump. On January 6, 2017, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a declassified report detailing these efforts by Russian President Vladimir Putin to undermine public faith in the election and developed a clear preference for Donald Trump. On February 13, 2017, Michael Flynn resigned as President Trump’s National Security Advisor, following reports that he had misled the Vice-President elect and other Trump administration officials in saying he had not discussed sanctions for interference in the 2016 election with Russia’s ambassador. Preceding Flynn’s resignation, the Department of Justice informed the incoming administration in January 2016 that they believed Flynn may pose a threat to our national security because his unauthorized communications with Russia made him vulnerable to blackmail.

Russia’s efforts to disrupt our recent elections through cyber espionage and dissemination of false media reports present a grave danger to our democracy. This national security threat demands a serious, bipartisan response. The sanctity of our elections - and the public’s confidence in their outcome - is fundamental to our nation’s very survival. The available evidence shows that Russia has not only committed multiple cyberattacks against American political institutions but also deliberately spread lies and propaganda for the purpose of misleading the American people, undermining a free press that is a foundation of our democratic system.

Since it became clear that Russia was involved in our election, I have vocally demanded that the Trump administration answer the nation’s questions about their connections to the Russian government. I have called for an independent, bipartisan investigation in order to investigate Russian interference in our elections and the Administration’s ties to Russia. I was pleased that the former Republican Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) joined House Democrats in calling on Trump to appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

On February 14, 2017, I led a letter co-signed by 19 of my colleagues on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, asking Chairman Ed Royce (R-CA) to convene a hearing as soon as possible to investigate Russia’s attempts to meddle in our democracy and to call Michael Flynn as a witness under oath. House Republicans’ reluctance to investigate ties between Russia and the Trump is irresponsible and a dereliction of Congress’s duty to conduct oversight of the executive branch. I promise to continue fighting for answers and information until we are able to get to the bottom of this crisis.

I support calls for a full report by our intelligence agencies on Russia’s interference, and I strongly urge President Trump to support these efforts as well. In addition, Congress must fulfill its oversight role by conducting its own bipartisan investigation and ensuring that our nation’s response is proportionate to the extreme gravity of Russia’s actions. We cannot let this assault on American democracy go unanswered.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for an investigation into Russian interference in American elections. If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me. In the meantime, please visit cicilline.house.gov for up-to-date information on my work in Congress.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:54:02am

re: #364 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is a bit to that tweet, but the issue is much more nuanced than can be discussed in a tweet…but then again, political discourse in our nation has been reduced to bullet points, tweets, Internet memes and thinly veiled threats…

Well you can get into the weeds if you’d like but the basic point is right and most of the people who have studied messaging agree that to reach lots of people you need to be able to repeatedly convey certain things quickly and easily. And that isn’t quite unique to America.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:54:04am

re: #358 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I expect Republican high rollers would rein him in (by working on other Republican officials — DT is uncontrollable. The Kochs have already parted company with him over tariffs.

Once it really starts hitting their bottom line - and their own personal fortunes - the GOP donor class will turn on Trump and they’ll start putting pressure to bear on their water-carriers in Congress.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:55:44am

re: #363 JordanRules

Okay. Now that I’ve had my visceral reaction as an American…I am liking Merkel’s body language there.

“Listen, schatzi……we’re not going to McDonald’s. You’ll just have to eat what’s being served here.”

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:56:00am

re: #368 Dr Lizardo

Once it really starts hitting their bottom line - and their own personal fortunes - the GOP donor class will turn on Trump and they’ll start putting pressure to bear on their water-carriers in Congress.

It’s gotta be big enough to offset the tax cuts then we might see some movement.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:58:14am

re: #367 JordanRules

Well you can get into the weeds if you’d like but the basic point is right and most of the people who have studied messaging agree that to reach lots of people you need to be able to repeatedly convey certain things quickly and easily. And that isn’t quite unique to America.

No, and neither is literacy.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:58:16am

re: #366 garzooma

Oh, I agree. I just don’t want to see us going to the opposite extreme.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:59:28am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

I’m just waiting for the first EU nation to offer political asylum to Americans.

It’ll probably be Sweden. :D

I have thought about checking into the UK; my mother was a British citizen when I was born.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:03:23am

re: #362 Belafon

Trump is right now, the old guy in the nursing home that yells at the staff, refuses to take his meds, and shouts “Bingo!” every time he gets a number. And we currently don’t have a mechanism in place to remove him from the presidency.

We have mechanisms; its just a lack of political will. If damning evidence of Trump obstructing justice while everyone around him is getting indicted doesn’t move the GOP, it will be up to the voters in 2020.

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mmmirele  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:05:10am

re: #285 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Christine Lagarde’s side-eye is priceless.

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Varek Raith  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:06:46am

re: #375 mmmirele

Christine Lagarde’s side-eye is priceless.

“You’re late! Sit the fuck down and keep quiet!”
/

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mmmirele  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:11:16am

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Really…read the screenshots of Tiana’s post.
Read them now.

Then, read the rest of Coyle’s thread for two more examples of getting involved.

Given that the Supreme Court has said CBP can ask about citizenship status within 100 miles of the border, I checked to see where that crossing point would be. It’s probably on I-15 at Primm, NV. And yes, it’s way more than 100 miles from the border. So Tiana Smalls was absolutely right to raise hell.

Here’s the ACLU on the 100 mile zone. Note that 200 million Americans live in that zone.

aclu.org

Seriously, if the CBP wanted to be complete assholes, they could set up checkpoints in LA and NYC. But I suspect that the locals wouldn’t take that shit lying down.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:15:47am

re: #350 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

Hahahaha. I needed that image of the “Trump Train” truck stuck under a bridge.

It says so much.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:17:42am

We have a minimum age for the Presidency. I think we need a maximum as well.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:19:08am

I do not know if someone else posted this information so I will post it here: The Dept of Justice is going to release a highly anticipated report regarding Hillary Clinton’s email server.
whyy.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:29:38am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:30:50am

We’ve had some pretty heavy rainstorms here in the Czech Republic today; this story is in Czech, but you can run it through Google Translate.

novinky.cz

There’s photos and a couple of videos.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:31:43am

re: #381 Anymouse 🌹

Also, one can believe homosexuality is a sin while not treating gay people like dirt.

And I see that was basically Jims point.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:35:17am

Regarding the heavy rainstorms here, it looks like Prague took the brunt of it.

Again, article in Czech, but you can use Google Translate.

domaci.ihned.cz

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I cannot.  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:36:33am

re: #350 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

Oh, god, the detail on the back door of the trailer… “our most valuable resource sits 63 feet ahead”

BWAHAHAHA!!!

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Belafon  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:39:02am

re: #381 Anymouse 🌹

There are lots of good replies there, but since I added my own:

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:41:02am

re: #344 Citizen K

I mean…this kind of says it all:

[Embedded content]

What the hell is Bolton doing there. Fuck that guy.

You don’t bring your stormtrooper to an economic summit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:49:49am

re: #378 ObserverArt

Hahahaha. I needed that image of the “Trump Train” truck stuck under a bridge.

It says so much.

“Sign says ‘maximum height 13 feet’ but I don’t have to listen to useless government regulations that restrict my freedoms!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:50:54am

re: #381 Anymouse 🌹

It’s Not Bigotry to Believe Homosexuality Is a Sin

You do not have to see gay couples as married in the eyes of the Lord, but you have to recognize their rights before the law.

This is a nuance that gets totally lost in the shouting match.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:55:38am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You do not have to see gay couples as married in the eyes of the Lord, but you have to recognize their rights before the law.

This is a nuance that gets totally lost in the shouting match.

It gets lost because a lot of people seem to think that the Bible trumps the Constitution.

Moreover, there are plenty of churches which do not see a problem with marriage equality anyway (my sister’s for one).

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:56:34am

re: #388 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Sign says ‘maximum height 13 feet’ but I don’t have to listen to useless government regulations that restrict my freedoms!”

Too fat to realize you don’t fit.

“No sign is going to stop me…I’m the greatest truck driver ever, I know more than any truck driver!”

“I didn’t crash into the bridge. The bridge crashed into me. Believe me. Fake news!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:56:46am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:59:18am

re: #360 Belafon

Her pinned tweet says it all:

[Embedded content]

It’s almost like leftists throwing tantrums is a bad thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:59:47am

re: #390 Anymouse 🌹

It gets lost because a lot of people seem to think that the Bible trumps the Constitution.

Moreover, there are plenty of churches which do not see a problem with marriage equality anyway (my sister’s for one).

There was a time when Holy Matrimony and the civil state of marriage were identical.

But that distinction has been part of our law and society for a long time.

And that is why making a damn cake is not recognizing their state of matrimony, it is providing a cake for a party that you are not going to attend. And if you do not approve of that possibility, then just don’t bake cakes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:01:46am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

It’s almost like leftists throwing tantrums is a bad thing.

You can try to grab a yard of progress all at once.

You can also grab an inch of progress a whole bunch of times, and get to a yard.

(Apologies to those who think in metric. This is ‘Murica, we don’t do that socialist division by 10 stuff here.)

Both move you forward, but the second is easier to achieve and less scary to conservatives.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:05:49am

re: #395 Anymouse 🌹

You can try to grab a yard of progress all at once.

You can also grab an inch of progress a whole bunch of times, and get to a yard.

(Apologies to those who think in metric. This is ‘Murica, we don’t do that socialist division by 10 stuff here.)

Both move you forward, but the second is easier to achieve and less scary to conservatives.

I use this image to explain the American system to Europeans:

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Teukka  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:08:21am

re: #396 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I use this image to explain the American system to Europeans:

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“In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade — which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.”

— Josh Bazell

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:12:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:13:07am

re: #397 Teukka

“In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade — which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.”

— Josh Bazell

and they report precipitation in liters per square meter, which tells us both the depth and the amount (one liter distributed over a square meter is 1 mm deep)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:15:19am

re: #398 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s Not Bigotry to Believe Homosexuality Is a Sin

Coming from the magazine whose founder defended segregation and apartheid…

and from someone who certainly supported laws making homosexuality illegal

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:15:56am
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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:16:16am

re: #399 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and they report precipitation in liters per square meter, which tells us both the depth and the amount (one liter distributed over a square meter is 1 mm deep)

And the human bean is provided with ten fingers! Momma Nature gave us metric and a simple calculator.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:17:02am

I just posted this on Facebook.

We keep losing good people to their demons.

To add to our misery, the world is bankrupt. The fuckers in DC do their best to make it worse by the day. They brag about saving money when what they are actually doing is cutting funds for child healthcare. Fuck You Paul Ryan.

There is no causal relationship between recent suicides and the cancer that is Donald Trump. But. Every time we read the news we are forced to accept the fact that we are one step away from living in a fascist state. A state that insists cutting money for mental health treatment is a good thing for reasons.

I would love to live in a world where the people we admire don’t commit suicide.
I would also love to live in a country where school kids don’t have active shooter drills. (Such places exist—the rest of the fucking civilized world). I would also love to live in a country that didn’t make protecting the environment and providing healthcare political issues.

Perhaps someday.

My method of coping is to do things that I enjoy. This weekend I’m going for a bike ride, drinking a beer while watching the sunset from my backyard, writing, and sharing.
I am writing a piece, an essay, a memoir, I have no idea what it is, but it is based on my current living situation and often references the movie Almost Famous. The heart of the movie is a music critic played by Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Hoffman’s quote keeps me going: “The only currency we have in this bankrupt world is the things we share when we’re uncool.”

I don’t think that last three words are necessary. Sharing makes us many things, but especially cool. But at this point I can’t quibble with the writer/director of the film, Cameron Crowe. When Steven Spielberg read the script his only response was “Film every word.” So I guess I would also have to argue with Steven. Not today.

My point is that it’s not the coolness or uncoolness that’s important. Sharing transforms us. Sharing is the lesson we learned in kindergarten, but conveniently forgot as adults. Or perhaps it was beaten out of us by life. Sometimes we are lucky enough to be reminded by others. It is no coincidence that the ones that remind us to share are the ones that have less to offer, but more to give. Sharing makes us human, keeps us sane, and sometimes, just sometimes, it stops us from diving into the abyss. It truly is the only currency.

Peace.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:19:45am

re: #381 Anymouse 🌹

[Embedded content]

I’m willing to bet NR doesn’t think greed is a sin.

Wall Street (4/5) Movie CLIP - Greed Is Good (1987) HD

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:23:33am

Noting there is no such thing as a so-called moderate Republican. She knew and didn’t care.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:23:46am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:24:51am

re: #399 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and they report precipitation in liters per square meter, which tells us both the depth and the amount (one liter distributed over a square meter is 1 mm deep)

But but we report rain in inches, which tells you nothing about how many acre-feet of water you got.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:27:10am

re: #407 Anymouse 🌹

But but we report rain in inches, which tells you nothing about how many acre-feet of water you got.

how much is that in furlongs per fortnight?

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:27:26am

re: #394 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when Holy Matrimony and the civil state of marriage were identical.

But that distinction has been part of our law and society for a long time.

And that is why making a damn cake is not recognizing their state of matrimony, it is providing a cake for a party that you are not going to attend. And if you do not approve of that possibility, then just don’t bake cakes.

I read Kennedy’a majority opinion and Kagan’s concurrence, but not Gorsuch’s concurrence. According to a footnote in Kagan’s opinion, Gorsuch buys the idea that a cake for a same-sex wedding is a “gay cake”, which makes it different from a “straight cake”, justifying bakers in refusing to bake them. Frankly, it never occurred to me that baked goods could have sexual preferences.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:29:06am

re: #409 Big Beautiful Door

And they also believe that Extra Virgin Olive Oil is only made up of olives that did not do the “dirty” deed.

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:31:09am

re: #390 Anymouse 🌹

It gets lost because a lot of people seem to think that the Bible trumps the Constitution.

Moreover, there are plenty of churches which do not see a problem with marriage equality anyway (my sister’s for one).

The Jewish denominations’ official position on same-sex marriage:

Reform: sure, no problem
Orthodox: we will not perform such ceremonies. EVER.
Conservative: up to each rabbi to decide individually

ALL OF THEM: “Religious marriage and civil marriage are very different things. They serve different purposes, they fall under different authority. No earthly government has the standing to declare which unions God may bless, and God has no position on who can register their partnership with the country recorder and file joint tax returns.”

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wrenchwench  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:31:13am

re: #403 I Would Prefer Not To

[…]

I’m going for a bike ride

[…]

Everything will be OK. Priorities are proper.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:33:31am

re: #411 sagehen

The Jewish denominations’ official position on same-sex marriage:

Reform: sure, no problem
Orthodox: we will not perform such ceremonies. EVER.
Conservative: up to each rabbi to decide individually

ALL OF THEM: “Religious marriage and civil marriage are very different things. They serve different purposes, they fall under different authority. No earthly government has the standing to declare which unions God may bless, and God has no position on who can register their partnership with the country recorder and file joint tax returns.”

and that is the very point that a lot of American Christian Fundies miss

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The Major  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:39:09am

re: #402 ObserverArt

And the human bean is provided with ten fingers! Momma Nature gave us metric and a simple calculator.

Ask any voice assistant:

How many stones in a slug?

Don’t forget that Great Britain had some crazy-ass denominations of the currency before decimlization took place - and a lot of software languages had to account for that in their design (anybody got shillings/farthings kicking around?)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:40:13am

re: #414 The Major

Ask any voice assistant:

Don’t forget that Great Britain had some crazy-ass denominations of the currency before decimlization took place - and a lot of software languages had to account for that in their design (anybody got shillings/farthings kicking around?)

Don’t forget the Guinea: 21 Shillings instead of a Pound that is only 20 Shillings (and an Irish Pound was only 19 Shillings)

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:43:07am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:43:49am

re: #416 Charles Johnson

He’s gonna try to grab Kim Jong-un’s junk or something?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:47:10am

re: #416 Charles Johnson

Trump says that he will know “within the first minute” whether or not the North Korea summit is going well.

“How?”

Trump: “My touch. My feel. That’s what I do.”

abnd this is the problem: he utters totally unsubstantiated, subjective and unverifiable statements and they are reported as if they had any substance or merit…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:48:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:49:59am

re: #419 Stanley Sea

One of the aspects of the North Korea summit that hasn’t been discussed too much is that Trump will get bored after 20 minutes.

well, that’s 20 minutes more than he spent preparing for it

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:50:28am

re: #408 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

how much is that in furlongs per fortnight?

Or rods per minute?

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:50:34am

re: #414 The Major

Ask any voice assistant:

Don’t forget that Great Britain had some crazy-ass denominations of the currency before decimlization took place - and a lot of software languages had to account for that in their design (anybody got shillings/farthings kicking around?)

Horse racing is the only reason I know how long a furlong is.
Marijuana is the only reason I know how many grams in a pound (“454 on a scale, 448 on the street”).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:51:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:51:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:52:43am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:53:30am

re: #398 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

Bullshit. Especially if you use that belief to discriminate against people. Fuck you NRO. You have the sins of racism and homophobia and McCarthyism.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:55:14am

re: #410 PhillyPretzel

And they also believe that Extra Virgin Olive Oil is only made up of olives that did not do the “dirty” deed.

We only buy olive oil which has been around the block a few times. You don’t want inexperienced olive oil (or Olive Oyl). /s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:56:48am

LONDON (AP) — Gena Turgel, a Holocaust survivor who comforted Anne Frank at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp before the young diarist’s death and the camp’s liberation a month later, has died. She was 95.

Turgel died Thursday, Britain’s chief rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, said on Twitter. The news triggered tributes from some of the people the Polish native touched in the decades she shared her World War II experiences, including witnessing the horrors of the Nazi camps at Auschwitz, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen.

After World War II, Turgel married one of Bergen-Belsen’s British liberators, Norman Turgel, earning the nickname “The Bride of Belsen.” Her wedding dress, made from parachute silk, is part of the collection of the Imperial War Museum in London.

Turgel attended Britain’s annual Holocaust remembrance event two months ago, sitting in a wheelchair with a blanket draped over her knees.

“My story is the story of one survivor, but it is also the story of 6 million who perished,” she said at the event in London’s Hyde Park. “Maybe that’s why I was spared — so my testimony would serve as a memorial like that candle that I light, for the men, women and children who have no voice.”

more at the link

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:57:11am

re: #417 Dr Lizardo

He’s gonna try to grab Kim Jong-un’s junk or something?

When you’re a star, they let you do it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:08:27pm

re: #406 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
Is there some reason why I’m supposed to care that Kyrie Irving is a dumbass who thinks the Earth is flat?

2:23 PM - Jun 9, 2018

No!

(What brought that on?)

Don’t know if he really believes that or is just messing with people. Kyrie can be weird.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:24:03pm

re: #417 Dr Lizardo

He’s gonna try to grab Kim Jong-un’s junk or something?

*Snort*

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:27:06pm

re: #423 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Young doggo: “I think I look good. You?”

(That is one cute pup and image.)

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Renaissance_Man  Jun 9, 2018 • 12:46:08pm

re: #362 Belafon

Trump is right now, the old guy in the nursing home that yells at the staff, refuses to take his meds, and shouts “Bingo!” every time he gets a number. And we currently don’t have a mechanism in place to remove him from the presidency.

Well, you do. And there’s even precedent.

What we don’t have are an American people who are willing to disavow racism and fascism.


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