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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:09:24pm

Downstairs the subject came up again as to why Trump won.

May I suggest that the reason Trump won (though we all know he lost the popular vote by 3 million), is that questions like the following is accepted by many Americans as a legitimate question:

Do You Use Bible Commentaries Written by Women?

A pastor writes in to ask: “Pastor John, would a pastor who uses a biblical commentary written by a woman be placing himself under the biblical instruction of a woman? If so, would this not go against Paul’s instruction in 1 Timothy 2:12?”

[…]

That’s a 5 year old blog post with preacher/teacher John Piper. He’s trying to be a moderate in answering that question by saying it’s just a book, but Piper concludes with:

There is this interposition of the phenomenon called book and writing that puts the woman as author out of the reader’s sight and, in a sense, takes away the dimension of her female personhood. Whereas, if she were standing right in front of me and teaching me as my shepherd, week in and week out, I couldn’t make that separation. I think the Bible says that women shouldn’t take that role in the church.

In a society where that is considered deep thought, one gets an autocrat like Trump.

The above link came up in the never ending twitter fight between Paige Patterson defenders and those who are trying to expose the problem of the Southern Baptists.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:11:51pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:14:10pm

re: #1 freetoken

Downstairs the subject came up again as to why Trump won.

Michael Moore explained it all as early as the summer of 2016. I ignored him at the time as I have generally found him a bit of a gadfly, but he explained that Trump was going to win and why, and it was just a matter of mathematics:

All DT had to do was to carry all the states that the GOP won in 2012 (no problem there) plus carry the four rust belt states of OH, PA, WI and MI. It was just a matter of numbers, With those electoral votes they did not even need Florida.

So they (and their tovarischi ) concentrated their efforts on those four states and won those states by wafer-thin margins and won the election despite losing the popular vote.

Say what you want about Michael Moore, but he really nailed that one.

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wrenchwench  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:16:39pm

re: #1 freetoken

Downstairs the subject came up again as to why Trump won.

May I suggest that the reason Trump won (though we all know he lost the popular vote by 3 million), is that questions like the following is accepted by many Americans as a legitimate question:

Do You Use Bible Commentaries Written by Women?

That’s a 5 year old blog post with preacher/teacher John Piper. He’s trying to be a moderate in answering that question by saying it’s just a book, but Piper concludes with:

In a society where that is considered deep thought, one gets an autocrat like Trump.

The above link came up in the never ending twitter fight between Paige Patterson defenders and those who are trying to expose the problem of the Southern Baptists.

Women should be neither seen nor heard, but they can be read, so long as you don’t know you’re reading a woman’s writings.

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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:21:00pm

Trumpists ignore Trump’s own abuse of women, because at their heart American fundamentalists, who overwhelmingly support Trump, are practitioners of a misogynistic religion:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:21:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:26:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:32:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:34:15pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:36:36pm

Macron, Trudeau Say They Weren’t Going to Tell Trump Where G-7 After Party Was (Borowitz Report)

LA MALBAIE, CANADA (The Borowitz Report)—Saying that they were “tremendously relieved” that Donald J. Trump is leaving the G-7 summit early, the leaders of France and Canada said on Friday that they had been planning not to tell Trump the location of the G-7 after party.

Speaking to reporters, Emmanuel Macron and Justin Trudeau said that there had been “total consensus” among non-U.S. participants to withhold information about the time, place, and existence of an after party from Trump.

“The plan was, if Trump asked about an after party, we were going to be, like, ‘Ask Angela Merkel,’ ” Macron said. “Angela was going to totally stonewall him.”

Merkel confirmed that she had planned to tell Trump that she “didn’t think anyone was planning to do anything” after the summit and steadfastly to deny “hearing anything” about an after party.

“I would have had no problem lying to him, despite our two countries going way back, to D-Day or whenever,” Merkel said, rolling her eyes.

Trudeau said that the after party will proceed as scheduled when the G-7 concludes, on Saturday, adding, “Now that Trump is out of here, we’ll really have something to celebrate.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:38:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:38:48pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric Hovind is busy trolling that Twitter thread.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:40:25pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:41:14pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Eric Hovind is busy trolling that Twitter thread.

Just like a typical Pulpit Pimp lying for Jay-Zuss!

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wrenchwench  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:41:44pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

[“The guy lost his s—-,” the agent said. “They had to use physical force to take the child out of his hands.”]

If these parents were given a choice between their kids and their right hand, most of them would lose a hand. But that would make Sessions look bad worse.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:42:35pm

O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:43:46pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:48:42pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:56:17pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well yeah. Poor guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 2:58:21pm

moron is making up for lost time on twitter

it appears he was at a completely different summit:

his delusions are endless

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:01:19pm

FOX has an article up claiming Trump was really “winning” in Canada because other leaders and organisations are all making the same complaint about him.

archive.is (avoiding giving FOX a click)

Steve Hilton is an idiot.

Ten different people tell you “don’t put your hand on that hot stove” and you do it anyway is not “sticking it to the elites.”

You know you’re getting somewhere when your opponents are all attacking you in the same way.

So President Trump should feel a strong sense of satisfaction with a job well done after leaving the slightly pointless Group of Seven (G-7) summit in Canada on Saturday for another likely far more consequential summit in Singapore with North Korea dictator Kim Jong Un.

The U.S. president’s critics are all using identical language in their denunciations of his policy positions.

The complaints from U.S. allies over President Trump’s trade policies is that these polices are “unprecedented.” They say he is undermining the “rules-based international order.”

That, as far as the global foreign policy establishment is concerned, is all you need to say. End of discussion. Notice that they don’t actually engage with the substance of President Trump’s arguments at all.

We hear these criticisms from the pompous pearl-clutchers of the international elite.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:02:14pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:03:01pm

Soooo, because I need even more stuff to move we’re headed to Pasadena to spend the night getting prepped for the great Rose Bowl swap meet tomorrow! ! Metal chickens here we come!!

Going to buy some close to naked sundress because it’s hot as fuck.

SS reporting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:04:10pm

heh

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:05:11pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:06:49pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:07:06pm

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

FOX has an article up claiming Trump was really “winning” in Canada because other leaders and organisations are all making the same complaint about him.

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No Thanky! With Fox, I want less.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:08:37pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:08:58pm

re: #27 ObserverArt

No Thanky! With Fox, I want less.

Fox proving that it is now the Americanized Tass/Izvestia/Pravda

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:09:27pm

re: #10 Anymouse 🌹

I am disappointed to see this is satire 😛.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:14:24pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:16:14pm

Food Break Time.

Philly Submarine Sandwich from Boo’s Philly Cheesesteaks here in Mid-Wilshire.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:17:58pm
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BeachDem  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:19:16pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is making up for lost time on twitter

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his delusions are endless

Apparently, instead of taking Ambien for his flight, he’s doing speed (or maybe a combination?)

Also—wonder why he’s taking this moment to toot Henry McMaster’s horn. Doesn’t seem to fit with his other moronic tweets.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:21:29pm

re: #32 Joe Bacon 🌹

Food Break Time.

Philly Submarine Sandwich from Boo’s Philly Cheesesteaks here in Mid-Wilshire.

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That looks really good. I had a Peruvian chicken style sandwich today with Yucca. Nice reward for knocking on doors.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:22:26pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:22:38pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:24:23pm

I love the look on Abes face.

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wrenchwench  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:24:54pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

That looks really good. I had a Peruvian chicken style sandwich today with Yucca. Nice reward for knocking on doors.

There aren’t enough rewards for knocking on doors. That’s where it all happens. I think that’s where Barack Obama got his start.

Thank you for your service.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:27:12pm

So let’s see. The DNC helped let Sanders and his allies draft the platform which I btw have no problem with even though I think they don’t have an ounce of pragmatism in their bodies. They’ve kept the very undemocratic caucuses which I hate. But hey they required that you actually have to be a member of the Democratic Party to try to get the Democratic nomination for President? What a bunch of neo-lib monsters! // Except no, not at all, maybe if Sanders had actually shown an interest in working to get other candidates elected beside himself, they wouldn’t have needed to do this. They can hate on HRC all she wants but the fact is HRC is more of a team politician than Bernie will ever be and the reason for that is simple, Hillary isn’t full of herself like Bernie is, she knows we need to elect as many like minded individuals as possible. Bernie only discovered that last spring and I think he still doesn’t get it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:28:42pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

There aren’t enough rewards for knocking on doors. That’s where it all happens. I think that’s where Barack Obama got his start.

Thank you for your service.

It was a nice find. Walked around the town a bit and found a nice uesd bookstore and got a collection of Irish folklore from the Western part of Ireland by Lady Gregory- W.B. Yeats muse. And you’re welcome. I do like doing it. Most people are pretty nice about it and it’s good exercise too. I do much prefer urban canvassing though to rural though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:29:32pm

looks like a painting:

also found it here:
spiegel.de

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:31:42pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

She is a good photographer. Very nice picture.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:32:34pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:32:39pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

looks like a painting:

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A Dutch painting from the 1600s.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:32:54pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

looks like a painting:

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also found it here:
spiegel.de

I have far more respect for her than I do Maggie Thatcher. Merkel is a conservative too but unlike Thatcher doesn’t back undemocratic regimes. And as an American of German descent, I appreciate she wants Germany to be a welcoming place.

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SteelPH  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:33:04pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I’m still not convinced that Sanders isn’t a Russian stooge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:33:47pm

re: #47 SteelPH

I’m still not convinced that Sander isn’t a Russian stooge.

I’m not convinced that he still isn’t

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:34:21pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:35:07pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

It was a nice find. Walked around the town a bit and found a nice uesd bookstore and got a collection of Irish folklore from the Western part of Ireland by Lady Gregory- W.B. Yeats muse. And you’re welcome. I do like doing it. Most people are pretty nice about it and it’s good exercise too. I do much prefer urban canvassing though to rural though.

How often do you get invited in?

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:35:35pm

re: #47 SteelPH

I’m still not convinced that Sanders isn’t a Russian stooge.

Where was his honeymoon again?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:35:42pm

re: #47 SteelPH

I’m still not convinced that Sanders isn’t a Russian stooge.

I’m on the fence about that but I have to admit, I don’t think it’s far fetched. He did vote against the sancitions. He had a bs excuse but I think it’s conveient that he never criticizes Putin for interfering in the process.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:37:14pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

How often do you get invited in?

Let’s see. I usually try to do something 5-6 times during primary season. I’m going to be volunteering for the winning of our Congressional primary on Tuesday. I’m hoping it’s the candidate I’m backing since I won’t have to seek out new contacts. I work with a guy I met on the Perriello campaign and the other bonus is if Lindsay wins, I can say I’ve hosted a Congressional candidate.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:38:07pm

Horsey race time. I didn’t watch the first two legs of the crown. But I am working at my computer with the TV on…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:38:21pm

re: #51 ObserverArt

Where was his honeymoon again?

Yeah I thought that was odd too. My grandparents uh honeymooned in your home turf of Cleveland. Don’t take it the wrong way lol but my Uncle loved teasing my grandparents about that one.

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wrenchwench  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:39:31pm

re: #54 ObserverArt

Horsey race time. I didn’t watch the first twp legs of the crown. But I am working at my computer with the TV on…

I still can’t believe they have a three-legged horse race
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…series.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:40:22pm

re: #54 ObserverArt

Horsey race time. I didn’t watch the first twp legs of the crown. But I am working at my computer with the TV on…

track is dry, Justify might not do as well as he does in mud.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:40:36pm

A lot of lefties think the Mueller stuff is a distraction from the “real issues” with Trump but I really don’t think it is. The fact is the Kremlin has a vested interest in dividing the West. And yes they do use far left and right candidates to push that divide. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of bullshit on both left and right when it comes to Putin. Righties who look up to him as a model of what a leader ought to be and lefties who think Russia has a right to put its nose where we have in the past. I see myself as an advocate for the rights of smaller nations which is part of why I can’t stand Putin and wish him to fail everywhere he goes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:44:52pm

That’s not to say that we wouldn’t need to oppose Trump even if he wasn’t a Russian stooge but Trump being a Russian stooge defines him. It defines his domestic and international policies. Domestic by making us a less welcoming place to immigrants and to our trading partners. International but alienating long time allies. Trump has a lot of nerve. He went after Canada for the War of 1812 but also wants to let go the Russian invasion of Crimea which happened while Putin was in power. And then he lies repeatedly by saying “No one’s tougher on Russia than me.” Trump would sell out Europe to Putin in a heartbeat and that’s why Macron and Merkel especially can’t satnd the fucker.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:45:22pm

And here come today’s line of “severe” storms for soaked Ohio.

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ipsos  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:49:18pm

So…. can we land AF1 at, say, Edwards AFB after looping it out over the Pacific and back? Set up a stage set and tell Dotard it’s “Singapore”? Get Randall Kim to drive up from LA and play “Kim”? Let Dotard “size him up” and send out some tweets saying how well it all went?

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:50:44pm

re: #51 ObserverArt

Where was his honeymoon again?

Wait, hold up…
I must have missed this lil tidbit. Where’d they go?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:51:44pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:51:55pm

re: #62 JordanRules

Wait, hold up…
I must have missed this lil tidbit. Where’d they go?

Russia. Do a Google search. Day after they were married.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:54:08pm

Wow. Justified looked way comfortable in that run. What a horse.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:54:23pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Russia. Do a Google search. Day after they were married.

Holy shmokes!!! I’d love to visit but I don’t think it would be for my honeymoon. Interesting to say the least.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:54:50pm

Wow!!!!!!

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:56:25pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

track is dry, Justify might not do as well as he does in mud.

This post did not age well.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:57:13pm

Only the 2nd one who is undefeated. Wow! What a champ.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:58:06pm

re: #66 JordanRules

Holy shmokes!!! I’d love to visit but I don’t think it would be for my honeymoon. Interesting to say the least.

Now to be fair to him, it was in the middle of Perestroika and the Gorbachev era but yeah I wouldn’t want to go either. I always had some tropical paradise. I got very close to visiting Russia 10 years ago but no one else wanted to go. I was disappointed by that since the professor who would have headed the trip was the one that sparked my interest in both Russia and international relations.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:58:09pm

WHOA! Justify joins the club!

I remember all the hoopla when Secretariat did it in 1973. Lot of people at our house watching it then and the collective WHOOP when he won…

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 3:59:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:00:47pm

re: #72 JordanRules

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Still like Connery’s Bond the most. Just someone who really transcends era with the character.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:00:55pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Now to be fair to him, it was in the middle of Perestroika and the Gorbachev era but yeah I wouldn’t want to go either. I always had some tropical paradise. I got very close to visiting Russia 10 years ago but no one else wanted to go. I was disappointed by that since the professor who would have headed the trip was the one that sparked my interest in both Russia and international relations.

I only brought it up because of how it creates questions about Bernie. There very well may be nothing at all to it, but it makes good fodder for conspiracies!

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:00:57pm

Justify Won? That is great news. Another one gets the Triple Crown.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:01:02pm

Wow. We go from no Triple Crown winners in 38 years to two in the last four.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:01:15pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Now to be fair to him, it was in the middle of Perestroika and the Gorbachev era but yeah I wouldn’t want to go either. I always had some tropical paradise. I got very close to visiting Russia 10 years ago but no one else wanted to go. I was disappointed by that since the professor who would have headed the trip was the one that sparked my interest in both Russia and international relations.

I assumed as much knowing how long he and Jane have been married. I mean, it only makes your ears perk up just a bit by today’s light. It is quite a lovely country.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:01:40pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

I only brought it up because of how it creates questions about Bernie. There very well may be nothing at all to it, but it makes good fodder for conspiracies!

Exactly!

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:04:09pm

re: #72 JordanRules

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R.I.P. Bond girl.

She sure reminded me of Sarah Huckabee Sanders with the one raised one lowered eye brow.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:05:58pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. We go from no Triple Crown winners in 38 years to two in the last four.

From the same trainer too. I believe they said Baffert is only the second Triple-Crown winning trainer. More history to the run.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:08:35pm
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Interesting Times  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:08:50pm

Oh great, more sociopathic koch-and-mercer wannabes -_-

Mr. Uihlein (pronounced YOU-line), a scion of one of the founders of Schlitz beer, underwrites firebrand anti-establishment candidates who typically defend broad access to assault weapons and assail transgender rights. He has also bankrolled partisan newspapers and backed Roy Moore in Alabama even after he was accused of sexual misconduct with underage girls.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:09:57pm

re: #82 Interesting Times

Oh great, more sociopathic koch-and-mercer wannabes -_-

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Fuck Citizens United. It ruined us.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:11:31pm

Ummm…This seems at least mildly illegal to me

“… The Topeka Capital-Journal reported Friday that an open records request revealed that the payment was made last year using a state-issued credit card belonging to Craig McCullah, who was serving as deputy assistant secretary of state under Kobach at the time.

McCullah, who is now seeking the Republican nomination for secretary of state, told the Capital-Journal that he was not aware that his card had been used to make the payment. He said he was deployed in Ukraine with the Oklahoma Army National Guard at the time of the payment.

“I was out of the country,” he said. “I was never told about this.”

A credit card receipt from the courthouse transaction shows that the payment was carried out by Kobach’s chief of staff Bryan Harden, according to the Capital-Journal.

A spokeswoman for Kobach said state money was used to pay the fine because “the office is the defendant in the case,” rather than Kobach personally. …”

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Teukka  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:11:46pm

re: #81 JordanRules

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David Leavitt got a F-bomb out of a reverend? Whoa… It’s an omen I tells ya! o.o

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wrenchwench  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:15:29pm

re: #84 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ummm…This seems at least mildly illegal to me

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Kobach needs to check in to the Graybar Hotel. And stay a while.

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Teukka  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:16:39pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Kobach needs to check in to the Graybar Hotel. And stay a while.

The Up River branch?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:17:21pm

Trump has hours to prepare for his meeting with Kim Jong-Un on Twitter.

He’s busy calling Justin Trudeau a liar… .

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:18:24pm

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

Trump has hours to prepare for his meeting with Kim Jong-Un on Twitter.

He’s busy calling Justin Trudeau a liar… .

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Calling him Justin is some bullshit too. He’s such a prick.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:20:05pm

re: #89 JordanRules

Calling him Justin is some bullshit too. He’s such a prick.

My wife suggests that all Americans who care about civility should immediately find a random Canadian and apologise to them.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:20:22pm

Man, those B-17s really shake the house when they go over.

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wrenchwench  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:21:22pm

re: #87 Teukka

The Up River branch?

And no paddle.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:22:28pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

My wife suggests that all Americans who care about civility should immediately find a random Canadian and apologise to them.

*waves*

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:22:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:23:23pm

That crazy orange asshole is going to drag us into a recession isn’t he?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:23:23pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

*waves*

My wife asks if she can apologise to you.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:23:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:24:19pm

A wag at Wonkette just posted this non-comment:

BREAKING NEWS: In a post race interview Justify says he will decline an invitation to the White House.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:24:35pm

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

Trump has hours to prepare for his meeting with Kim Jong-Un on Twitter.

He’s busy calling Justin Trudeau a liar… .

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Why, I think he just called Prime Minister Trudeau a liar.

He should answer back: “Donald makes some bold claims about me and the truth. He should realize his own treatment of reality calls into question anything he says. This I can tell you.”

Heh.

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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:24:37pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

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Believing the Earth is flat is not an “alternate view” or an opinion worthy of any respect whatsoever. We need to stop feeding the craziness and indulging people who spout this idiotic nonsense

In “fact” the shape of the Earth is not a belief or an opinion

Accept it or don’t, the spatial/dimensional measurements are the same

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:25:31pm

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

LOL.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:25:55pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

*waves*

Sorry EC!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:26:01pm

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

*snort*

That’s perfect.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:30:55pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

When my wife worked for Digital Equipment Corporation, several electrical and software engineers formed a “flat Earth club” which mostly met to ponder the alcoholic content of various potent potables.

They would discuss silly theories on how or why the Earth could be flat.

They disbanded their group when a bunch of people in Colorado Springs came to listen to them and took them seriously.

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Kragar  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:35:10pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:36:11pm

re: #105 Kragar

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Did anyone expect him to actually agree with the G7?

Welcome to the G6!

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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:36:39pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹

When my wife worked for Digital Equipment Corporation, several electrical and software engineers formed a “flat Earth club” which mostly met to ponder the alcoholic content of various potent potables.

They would discuss silly theories on how or why the Earth could be flat.

They disbanded their group when a bunch of people in Colorado Springs came to listen to them and took them seriously.

The Earth could be flat or lots of shapes - a plate, a donut, a triangle, a rhombicosidodecahedron

Discussing that over potables could be interesting

The Earth is ball-ish, more or less. Like all the planets

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Skip Intro  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:37:25pm

re: #82 Interesting Times

Oh great, more sociopathic koch-and-mercer wannabes -_-

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Citizens United will be the death of this country.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:39:38pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:42:21pm

I console myself by tossing a bunch of Beer Nuts into a glass of Diet Coke.

Mom loved to toss peanuts in a glass of Coca Cola and she always said it was a Southern thing…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:45:08pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:45:53pm

Tuesday is gonna be such an absolute shitshow. Either Donny gets some meaningless “concessions” from Kim and declares “victory.” Or Kim presents himself as the unreasonable dickhead that everybody sees him to be and Donny stalks away from the table while whining about how mean “Lil Rocket Man” is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:46:45pm
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Jay C  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:47:01pm

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

re: #94 Charles Johnson

JFC on a 3WB!

So at 7:03 he’s griping about “automobiles”, and at 7:04, he changes the bitching to “dairy”?

Aren’t virtually all cars “exported” to the US from Canada manufactured there by US automakers?

It really chaps my ass to read the smug BS like in no. re: #21 Anymouse 🌹 where the Fox lickspittles sneer about “not addressing Trump’s arguments” on trade.

JFTR, guys, WHAT “arguments”??

I’ve seen/heard little/nothing out of Donald Trump’s piehole regarding international trade issues that even remotely addresses any real-world situations: just alternating whiny-victimization and faux-tough-guy bluster about how “everybody” is “taking advantage of us”, and no real “answers” outside of cheapjack bullying, puerile name-calling and unilaterally imposing tariffs with little thought of how they will actually harm “unfair” foreign countries (they won’t, much) or possibly hurt domestic interests (they will, much).

And yet, the FOX bootlickers will keep going on about “bold” and “innovative” this pathetic caricature of diplomacy is…

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William Lewis  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:49:12pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Still like Connery’s Bond the most. Just someone who really transcends era with the character.

Connery was Bond right up until the opening seconds of Casino Royale in 2006. Then Daniel Craig took over with no looking back.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:49:19pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

Tuesday is gonna be such an absolute shitshow. Either Donny gets some meaningless “concessions” from Kim and declares “victory.” Or Kim presents himself as the unreasonable dickhead that everybody sees him to be and Donny stalks away from the table while whining about how mean “Lil Rocket Man” is.

Anyone talking about Kim wanting concessions…backed up by China?

Say Kim says something like: “you first’ regarding stopping nuke programs.

Is he prepared for that?

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Jay C  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:49:37pm

re: #107 dangerman

The Earth could be flat or lots of shapes - a plate, a donut, a triangle, a rhombicosidodecahedron

I hope not the last one: spelling “sphere” is hard enough.

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A Cranky One  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:51:35pm

re: #91 Single-handed sailor

Man, those B-17s really shake the house when they go over.

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Was outside one afternoon and heard a noisy aircraft overhead. Looked up to see a B-17.

Realized that I was seeing something I was likely never to see again. Quite the poignant moment.

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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:56:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:57:05pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:57:17pm

re: #116 ObserverArt

Anyone talking about Kim wanting concessions…backed up by China?

Say Kim says something like: “you first’ regarding stopping nuke programs.

Is he prepared for that?

I personally believe Donny is going to arrive in Singapore expecting the whole matter to already be hashed out, with him simply there to grimace for the cameras while he puts his scrawl on some half-assed “deal” before shoving off to indulge in the pampering he expects as a rich asshole.

He’s not there to negotiate and will leave in a barrel if he’s actually expected to do so.

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Kragar  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:58:22pm
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Skip Intro  Jun 9, 2018 • 4:59:02pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Whatever happens in NK Dolt45 will claim a YOOOOGE victory and claim it’s the best deal anybody ever made in the history of the US, and many people say of the world.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:00:09pm

The Collings Foundation - Preserving Living Aviation History

They visit our airport for 4 days every year.

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William Lewis  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:03:47pm

re: #118 A Cranky One

Was outside one afternoon and heard a noisy aircraft overhead. Looked up to see a B-17.

Realized that I was seeing something I was likely never to see again. Quite the poignant moment.

I’ve been blessed that way a couple of times.

One time I was living in St. Cloud MN and there was the unmistakable sound of round engines overhead. I ran out and a B-17 and B-24 heading to Oshkosh were circling town to land for fuel.

A few years later, one weekend a B-17 and a DC-3 were at the airport in Madison WI for an airshow. We didn’t have the money for rides but we went and watched them come and go a number of times then went to the hanger dance that Saturday night. They were supposed to fly out that Tuesday but were grounded - Tuesday, Sept 11, 2001…

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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:04:32pm

re: #123 Skip Intro

Whatever happens in NK Dolt45 will claim a YOOOOGE victory and claim it’s the best deal anybody ever made in the history of the US, and many people say of the world.

And the wingnut press will follow behind him to insist that however flawed the “deal” ends up being, it’s still the “best” anybody could have managed and “better” than Obama could have managed. Look for comparisons to the JCPA and insistence that there’s little chance that NK will cheat and violate the “deal” because they’re “afraid” of what will happen.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:05:24pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:06:45pm

re: #128 Dave In Austin

That looks much better. :)

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Skip Intro  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:07:05pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

Well, he did bring his Fox “News” team with him to “catapult the propaganda”, as GWB used to say.

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Jay C  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:07:08pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

re: #123 Skip Intro

Whatever happens in NK Dolt45 will claim a YOOOOGE victory and claim it’s the best deal anybody ever made in the history of the US, and many people say of the world.

Yep. On the money, IMO: Given Trump’s background posturing for “reality TV” as a means of polishing his “image”, I’m guessing the whole Singapore Summit has been scripted as a sort of large-scale RTV episode: any actual results from the meeting with Kim are likely to be a secondary consideration at best.
The primary goal (as it is with everything Trump) is glowing publicity, YUUUUGE ratings, and laudatory (and ego-boosting) press over the Great Historic Historicness of the Historic Summit. And of course, plentiful opportunities to bash critics…..

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:07:52pm

re: #107 dangerman

The Earth could be flat or lots of shapes - a plate, a donut, a triangle, a rhombicosidodecahedron

Discussing that over potables could be interesting

The Earth is ball-ish, more or less. Like all the planets

Don’t be silly.

Everyone knows it’s a flat disc, supported on the backs of 4 elephants standing on the back of a turtle.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:09:19pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:10:12pm

re: #128 Dave In Austin

Trump is the only one with his jacket unbuttoned. I learned when I was a young’un trying to make his way in the world that a gentleman buttons his suit jacket when standing and unbuttons it when sitting down. It’s some kind of fashion thing, like the length of your necktie and color of your socks.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:10:44pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

I only brought it up because of how it creates questions about Bernie. There very well may be nothing at all to it, but it makes good fodder for conspiracies!

Nah I knwo what you meant. I think it’s likely harmless too but an Opps researcher would have a field day with it.

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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:11:40pm

re: #131 Jay C

Yep. On the money, IMO: Given Trump’s background posturing for “reality TV” as a means of polishing his “image”, I’m guessing the whole Singapore Summit has been scripted as a sort of large-scale RTV episode: any actual results from the meeting with Kim are likely to be a secondary consideration at best.
The primary goal (as it is with everything Trump) is glowing publicity, YUUUUGE ratings, and laudatory (and ego-boosting) press over the Great Historic Historicness of the Historic Summit. And of course, plentiful opportunities to bash critics…..

We’ll be told that what’s important is not working out a “deal,” but rather that Donny became the first US President to meet face-to-face with a Kim in decades, a big sign of thawing relations, and comparisons made to Nixon’s historic trip to China in ‘73.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:15:13pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:15:15pm

re: #131 Jay C

Yep. On the money, IMO: Given Trump’s background posturing for “reality TV” as a means of polishing his “image”, I’m guessing the whole Singapore Summit has been scripted as a sort of large-scale RTV episode: any actual results from the meeting with Kim are likely to be a secondary consideration at best.
The primary goal (as it is with everything Trump) is glowing publicity, YUUUUGE ratings, and laudatory (and ego-boosting) press over the Great Historic Historicness of the Historic Summit. And of course, plentiful opportunities to bash critics…..

And the part he doesn’t understand is that the real winner his is Kim Jong-Un. Suddenly, without conceding a thing or taking steps toward diplomacy, he has the recognition of the most powerful nation on Earth.

The GOP would have started the impeachment trial in a microsecond if President Obama had done this.

And our past stance wasn’t just a Democratic one: Republicans were equally on board with our stance toward North Korea.

Now in the interest of maintaining power, whatever principles they claimed to hold they are willing to cast aside.

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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:15:58pm

re: #112 Targetpractice

Tuesday is gonna be such an absolute shitshow. Either Donny gets some meaningless “concessions” from Kim and declares “victory.” Or Kim presents himself as the unreasonable dickhead that everybody sees him to be and Donny stalks away from the table while whining about how mean “Lil Rocket Man” is.

It’s a first meeting
Nothings going to happoen except maybe “we’ve agreed to more meetings”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:16:56pm

Update:
I did a ten mile bike ride came home and took a nap. Back to writing. thanks.

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The Major  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:17:21pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

We’ll be told that what’s important is not working out a “deal,” but rather that Donny became the first US President to meet face-to-face with a Kim in decades, a big sign of thawing relations, and comparisons made to Nixon’s historic trip to China in ‘73.

Why do I get the feeling that Trump will be this century’s Neville Chamberlain Quisling?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:18:00pm

re: #140 I Would Prefer Not To

Update:
I did a ten mile bike ride came home and took a nap. Back to writing. thanks.

I can do a ten mile bike ride (if the bike is on a trailer and I’m being towed).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:18:53pm

re: #141 The Major

Why do I get the feeling that Trump will be this century’s Neville Chamberlain?

That’s not fair to Chamberlain.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:19:37pm

It’s been raining all afternoon and into the early evening. I’m going to take a late night stroll this evening headphones and all.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:20:11pm

re: #111 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I know I have more pet peeves than is healthy, but WTF is this obsession with leaving the definite article off of place names that require it? It’s The Ukraine, The Crimea, The Donbass…and The Sudan, while we’re at it. I suppose I’ve been fatigued into compliance on The Lebanon and The Labrador and The Gambia….

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jeffreyw  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:21:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:21:30pm

re: #141 The Major

Why do I get the feeling that Trump will be this century’s Neville Chamberlain?

Neville Chamberlain was intelligent. Contrast to Trump.

Chamberlain was trying to buy time for the United Kingdom when it needed to rearm. It was not in a position to take on the Nazis, and the US was infested with isolationists and America Firsters (sounds familiar). Chamberlain gets somewhat of a bad rap for his “peace in our time” line, but he was stuck with the reality of the situation.

Even when the UK declared war on Germany over the invasion of Poland, it wasn’t ready for war, but was in far better shape than it was over the Sudetenland.

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Skip Intro  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:21:52pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

That’s not fair to Chamberlain.

No it is not. Chamberlain was a decent human being, for starters.

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Jay C  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:22:03pm

re: #141 The Major

Why do I get the feeling that Trump will be this century’s Neville Chamberlain?

Good point. I see I’m not the only one catching an echo of the “Munich-‘38” vibe off of Trumps much-touted meeting in Singapore. And I have a feeling that the South Koreans are being set up to (sort of) play the “Czechs” in the scenario….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:22:18pm

re: #145 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I know I have more pet peeves than is healthy, but WTF is this obsession with leaving the definite article off of place names that require it? It’s The Ukraine, The Crimea, The Donbass…and The Sudan, while we’re at it. I suppose I’ve been fatigued into compliance on The Lebanon and The Labrador and The Gambia….

It’s interesting how using that article or not using that article could get you in a big argument with someone. Ukrainian nationalists prefer it just be Ukraine while the Russian sympathizers call it The Ukraine signifying their belief that they see Ukraine as another part of Russia. I find myself sympathetic to the nationalists since the borders have been defined and Ukraine has experienced Russian control before with disastrous results for the people there.

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Teukka  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:22:34pm

re: #141 The Major

Why do I get the feeling that Trump will be this century’s Neville Chamberlain?

re: #143 HappyWarrior

That’s not fair to Chamberlain.

Not Chamberlain. Quisling.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:23:13pm

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹

Neville Chamberlain was intelligent. Contrast to Trump.

Chamberlain was trying to buy time for the United Kingdom when it needed to rearm. It was not in a position to take on the Nazis, and the US was infested with isolationists and America Firsters (sounds familiar). Chamberlain gets somewhat of a bad rap for his “peace in our time” line, but he was stuck with the reality of the situation.

Even when the UK declared war on Germany over the invasion of Poland, it wasn’t ready for war, but was in far better shape than it was over the Sudetenland.

I really do feel he was in a tough spot as well and like you, I had family directly in the path of the countries impacted by German aggression in those years.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:23:40pm

re: #145 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I know I have more pet peeves than is healthy, but WTF is this obsession with leaving the definite article off of place names that require it? It’s The Ukraine, The Crimea, The Donbass…and The Sudan, while we’re at it. I suppose I’ve been fatigued into compliance on The Lebanon and The Labrador and The Gambia….

Ukraine is the correct name of the country. The Ukraine was a Soviet styling.

Crimea is the correct name of the peninsula. Donbass is the correct name of the area of eastern Ukraine. Sudan is the correct name of the country; The Sudan was its colonial name.

On the other hand, The Gambia is the correct name for that nation.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:23:48pm

re: #151 Teukka

Not Chamberlain. Quisling.

Now that I agree on. Chamberlain wasn’t an apologist for the Hitlerite worldview. Quisling otoh as you know sold his country out to Hitler.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:24:02pm

re: #151 Teukka

Not Chamberlain. Quisling.

ten seconds latter and I would have written the same thing.

times a million updings

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:26:04pm

re: #122 Kragar

Blessed are the meek, motherfucker.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:26:17pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

That’s not fair to Chamberlain.

re: #148 Skip Intro

No it is not. Chamberlain was a decent human being, for starters.

It all shows how a reputation can be set in history and not be totally correct.

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The Major  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:27:00pm

re: #149 Jay C

Good point. I see I’m not the only one catching an echo of the “Munich-‘38” vibe off of Trumps much-touted meeting in Singapore.

Also for all of the fuckishness that Kim has done that makes the PRC shakes their heads (like killing family members who are in the DPRK military power structure) they can wield influence on Kim Jong-Un to play nice in the sandbox, unlike Hair Furor.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:27:03pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

It all shows how a reputation can be set in history and not be totally correct.

I always thought it would have been interesting had Chamberlain survived WWII. I personally think Churchill gets too much credit in some ways.

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Deep State and Elite Satinist  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:27:35pm

re: #151 Teukka

Not Chamberlain. Quisling.

Philippe Pétain

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:28:21pm

We’re going to need an excellent Secretary of State. That’s another reason I’m not gung ho about Bernie. He like Trump shows no real interest in FP and we’re going to need someone who does and wants to repair the relationships damaged.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:28:47pm

re: #160 Deep State and Elite Satinist

Philippe Pétain

Nah Petain had actually been heroic at one point in his life.

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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:28:58pm

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹

Neville Chamberlain was intelligent. Contrast to Trump.

Chamberlain was trying to buy time for the United Kingdom when it needed to rearm. It was not in a position to take on the Nazis, and the US was infested with isolationists and America Firsters (sounds familiar). Chamberlain gets somewhat of a bad rap for his “peace in our time” line, but he was stuck with the reality of the situation.

Even when the UK declared war on Germany over the invasion of Poland, it wasn’t ready for war, but was in far better shape than it was over the Sudetenland.

Much of the “Chamberlain was a peacnik idiot” bullshit is post-war propaganda promoted by the man who wanted his chair and ultimately became known more for his bellicose speeches than being a remarkable leader: Winston Churchill. Much like Donny today, Winston felt that his legacy was dependent not simply on the successes under his leadership, but upon tearing down his political rivals to further elevate himself. Thus Chamberlain was portrayed as an idiot who pursued peace at any cost, feeling free to do so as Neville had died not long after stepping down and few in the peerage were prepared to risk their futures defending a dead man.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:30:16pm

re: #134 wheat-dogg

I never knew that. I’ve made it a point to never own a suit. Or a tie for that fact.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:30:21pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Much of the “Chamberlain was a peacnik idiot” bullshit is post-war propaganda promoted by the man who wanted his chair and ultimately became known more for his bellicose speeches than being a remarkable leader: Winston Churchill. Much like Donny today, Winston felt that his legacy was dependent not simply on the successes under his leadership, but upon tearing down his political rivals to further elevate himself. Thus Chamberlain was portrayed as an idiot who pursued peace at any cost, feeling free to do so as Neville had died not long after stepping down and few in the peerage were prepared to risk their futures defending a dead man.

At least Churchill did appreciate allies but I do agree that so much of what popular conception of Chamberlain especially by Americans comes from Winston.

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William Lewis  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:30:46pm

re: #141 The Major

Why do I get the feeling that Trump will be this century’s Neville Chamberlain?

I’ve always thought that Chamberlain knew that England could not defeat Germany just then and the time he bought gave the RAF the time to build enough Hurricanes and Spitfires to let Churchill have his day of glory.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:32:02pm

re: #166 William Lewis

I’ve always thought that Chamberlain knew that England could not defeat Germany just then and the time he bought gave the RAF the time to build enough Hurricanes and Spitfires to let Churchill have his day of glory.

We can’t underestimate too how war exhausted the world was at the point. I mean don’t get me wrong. Hitler needed to be confronted. And I am glad that the Allies did what they did but the people who blindly attack Chamberlain totally ignore how WWI impacted the people of Europe.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:32:22pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Blessed are the meek, motherfucker.

Where did Trump get that 270% figure?

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William Lewis  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:33:34pm

re: #151 Teukka

Not Chamberlain. Quisling.

This. May he end the same way.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:34:34pm

My favorite Brit 20th century leader. Clement Attlee. Made the bold decisions to transition Britain from empire to what it is today and helped take care of its citizens. It’s my experience that Brits admire him while Americans just look at Churchill and Thatcher and think they were Britain’s best.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:34:36pm

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

Ukraine is the correct name of the country. The Ukraine was a Soviet styling.

Crimea is the correct name of the peninsula. Donbass is the correct name of the area of eastern Ukraine. Sudan is the correct name of the country; The Sudan was its colonial name.

On the other hand, The Gambia is the correct name for that nation.

The Donbass is short for “The Don Basin”. It doesn’t even make any sense without the article. The Ukraine and The Crimea were called that for centuries before there was any Soviet Union. The Sudan is shortened from the French for “The Land of the Blacks” (when it stretched from sea to sea.) They should object to the “Sudan” part, not the article….

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:35:03pm
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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:35:10pm

re: #132 sagehen

Don’t be silly.

Everyone knows it’s a flat disc, supported on the backs of 4 elephants standing on the back of a turtle.

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Oh
My bad

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:35:22pm

re: #171 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

The Donbass is short for “The Don Basin”. It doesn’t even make any sense without the article. The Ukraine and The Crimea were called that for centuries before there was any Soviet Union. The Sudan is shortened from the French for “The Land of the Blacks” (when it stretched from sea to sea. They should object to the “Sudan” part, not the article….

Right Crimea and Ukraine had those names in the Romanov era.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:35:33pm

re: #164 Dave In Austin

I never knew that. I’ve made it a point to never own a suit. Or a tie for that fact.

I have them, though it is extremely rare for me to wear them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:35:50pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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Uh yes. Don’t even know why it had to be asked.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:36:40pm

I wear a blazer and tie to work but I’m usually just t-shirts, jeans, shorts, loose fiting khakis, tennis shoes, top siders when I’m out. I don’t like dressing up. Some people love it but not me.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:37:40pm

Putin says “I want the Donbass.” Trump says “Here I am!”

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:38:35pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:38:37pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

I wear a blazer and tie to work but I’m usually just t-shirts, jeans, shorts, loose fiting khakis, tennis shoes, top siders when I’m out. I don’t like dressing up. Some people love it but not me.

My work outfit (that is, village stuff) is usually jeans, a t-shirt with a liberal saying, and a trilby hat made from paper. (I’ve had this trilby for years, they make them tough in Alliance.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:38:53pm

re: #178 BlueSpotinAL

Putin says “I want the Donbass.” Trump says “Here I am!”

Putin loves me, he calls me Donbass which is Russian for Don boss, al ot of people don’t know that!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:39:51pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

We can’t underestimate too how war exhausted the world was at the point. I mean don’t get me wrong. Hitler needed to be confronted. And I am glad that the Allies did what they did but the people who blindly attack Chamberlain totally ignore how WWI impacted the people of Europe.

And if the West had intervened to save Czechoslovakia they would have had a democratic ally who could defend themselves when Germany also wasn’t ready. Instead they waited to intervene to save the Poland of the Colonels—one of the most squalid little regimes in history—whom they could do nothing to help.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:40:02pm

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

My work outfit (that is, village stuff) is usually jeans, a t-shirt with a liberal saying, and a trilby hat made from paper. (I’ve had this trilby for years, they make them tough in Alliance.)

I have maybe one political shirt. It’s a Simpsons shirt though. I mostly wear band shirts or places I’ve traveled to or things like that. Sometimes I do the baseball hat thing when it’s really hot out there but not usually.,

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:40:39pm

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And if the West had intervened to save Czechoslovakia they would have had a democratic ally who could defend themselves when Germany also wasn’t ready. Instead they waited to intervene to save the Poland of the Colonels—one of the most squalid little regimes in history—whom they could do nothing to help.

Right. Man I’m glad I didn’t have to make those decisions.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:41:08pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Putin loves me, he calls me Donbass which is Russian for Don boss, al ot of people don’t know that!

I think there is a whole lot of stuff we don’t know about Donny.

Yet.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:41:40pm

re: #185 ObserverArt

I think there is a whole lot of stuff we don’t know about Donny.

Yet.

I know. He’s the least transparent president we’ve ever had.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:44:46pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

It’s interesting how using that article or not using that article could get you in a big argument with someone. Ukrainian nationalists prefer it just be Ukraine while the Russian sympathizers call it The Ukraine signifying their belief that they see Ukraine as another part of Russia. I find myself sympathetic to the nationalists since the borders have been defined and Ukraine has experienced Russian control before with disastrous results for the people there.

It’s like the hot water you can find yourself in with China by referring to Taiwan as a separate country, or certain islands as Japanese.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:45:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:46:25pm

re: #187 wheat-dogg

It’s like the hot water you can find yourself in with China by referring to Taiwan as a separate country, or certain islands as Japanese.

Right or Derry/Londonderry in Northern Ireland and man that’s really tough since you can’t tell an Irish Republican from an Unionist.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:46:39pm

Putting an asterisk on Trump’s hyperbole …

Just the facts:
Average tariff rates charged by G-7 nations:
USA: 1.6%
EU: 1.6%
UK: 1.6%
Italy: 1.6%
Germany: 1.6%
France: 1.6%
Japan: 1.4%
Canada: 0.8%

data.worldbank.org

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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:46:50pm

re: #182 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And if the West had intervened to save Czechoslovakia they would have had a democratic ally who could defend themselves when Germany also wasn’t ready. Instead they waited to intervene to save the Poland of the Colonels—one of the most squalid little regimes in history—whom they could do nothing to help.

Who was “The West”? There was no popular support for war at that time, the public in Paris and London were perfectly okay with giving away Czechoslovakia if it meant there would not be another war. And while there were military leaders in both countries that hated the Germans with a passion, even they were realistic about the odds of stopping a German invasion. Hell, up until Dunkirk and the Blitz, the Brits continued to entertain the idea of an “honorable peace” where they would agree to Germany keeping what she’d taken so long as she agreed to respect Britain’s colonial claims.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:47:22pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I liken the whole Trump presidency thing to a really bad B movie where a drunk uncle who watches nothing but FNC decides to run for President and by an amazing stroke of luck somehow wins and is now stuck governing the country.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:50:23pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interestingly, Trump claims he is an inch taller than Trudeau.

Must be when you get on metric territory it makes you look shorter. Couldn’t be because he lied about that.

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Citizen K  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:51:35pm

It’s just….I’m amazed how in such a short time, Trump has utterly torched decades, carefully cultivated decades of American diplomacy that even Bush the Lesser didn’t manage to destroy and was mostly recovered by the Obama presidency. At least Dubya, inept and dangerous as his foreign policy team was, pretended to make paeans to diplomacy and international alliances. Trump has, within a year and a half, all but declared the remaining G6 as his personal Axis of Evil. He’s destabilized our entire international influence in a fucking ant’s fart time on the historical scale.

And so much of our country fucking loves it because ‘America First!!!!!!!!’ Except at this rate, it’s going to be ‘America Last’, because we’re going to fuck ourselves in a race to the bottom just so we can say we flipped off the world for our bestie Russia.

We’re never going to recover from this. Not for decades, even under the best case scenario where the electorate doesn’t give Dems a similar ant’s fart worth of time to fix everything before deciding to give the entire country back to daddy GOP.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:53:02pm

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

Interestingly, Trump claims he is an inch taller than Trudeau.

Must be when you get on metric territory it makes you look shorter. Couldn’t be because he lied about that.

Justin Trudeau stands taller.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:53:50pm

re: #194 Citizen K

It’s just….I’m amazed how in such a short time, Trump has utterly torched decades, carefully cultivated decades of American diplomacy that even Bush the Lesser didn’t manage to destroy and was mostly recovered by the Obama presidency. At least Dubya, inept and dangerous as his foreign policy team was, pretended to make paeans to diplomacy and international alliances. Trump has, within a year and a half, all but declared the remaining G6 as his personal Axis of Evil. He’s destabilized our entire international influence in a fucking ant’s fart time on the historical scale.

And so much of our country fucking loves it because ‘America First!!!!!!!!’ Except at this rate, it’s going to be ‘America Last’, because we’re going to fuck ourselves in a race to the bottom just so we can say we flipped off the world for our bestie Russia.

We’re never going to recover from this. Not for decades, even under the best case scenario where the electorate doesn’t give Dems a similar ant’s fart worth of time to fix everything before deciding to give the entire country back to daddy GOP.

I mean while Bush definitely did alienate our allies. At least he wasn’t trying to build relationships with hostile nations like Russia. In fact, I actually give W some credit for trying to include the former Soviet satellites in the European discussion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:53:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:54:04pm

re: #195 ObserverArt

Justin Trudeau stands taller.

Both literally and figuratively.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:54:33pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Come on guys, just look at him, you can do better than that in 2020.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:54:34pm

re: #195 ObserverArt

Justin Trudeau stands taller.

It’s all in the posture

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:55:02pm

re: #194 Citizen K

It’s just….I’m amazed how in such a short time, Trump has utterly torched decades, carefully cultivated decades of American diplomacy that even Bush the Lesser didn’t manage to destroy and was mostly recovered by the Obama presidency. At least Dubya, inept and dangerous as his foreign policy team was, pretended to make paeans to diplomacy and international alliances. Trump has, within a year and a half, all but declared the remaining G6 as his personal Axis of Evil. He’s destabilized our entire international influence in a fucking ant’s fart time on the historical scale.

And so much of our country fucking loves it because ‘America First!!!!!!!!’ Except at this rate, it’s going to be ‘America Last’, because we’re going to fuck ourselves in a race to the bottom just so we can say we flipped off the world for our bestie Russia.

We’re never going to recover from this. Not for decades, even under the best case scenario where the electorate doesn’t give Dems a similar ant’s fart worth of time to fix everything before deciding to give the entire country back to daddy GOP.

We’ll recover. Trump couldn’t do any of this by himself, he has the conservative party’s help.

That party keeps losing seats in special elections.

If the Democrats even take one house in the legislature, a lot of the insanity from Trump comes to a stop. Yes, he’ll scream about Democratic obstruction but he’s doing that now. So what.

Two seats in the Senate and Pence’s thumb can be taken off the tie-breaking scale. Sanders gets a lot of dumping on but he usually votes with the Democrats in the Senate. Ditto with Manchin.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:55:24pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

Who was “The West”? There was no popular support for war at that time, the public in Paris and London were perfectly okay with giving away Czechoslovakia if it meant there would not be another war. And while there were military leaders in both countries that hated the Germans with a passion, even they were realistic about the odds of stopping a German invasion. Hell, up until Dunkirk and the Blitz, the Brits continued to entertain the idea of an “honorable peace” where they would agree to Germany keeping what she’d taken so long as she agreed to respect Britain’s colonial claims.

Right. I’m just countering the narrative that the Munich agreement was to allow Britain’s military buildup to continue until they were “ready” to face Germany. They were never ready, but they jumped into a much less advantageous military situation in 1939, after flushing away an ally whose defenses the German generals were thoroughly afraid of. So much for military considerations motivating the giveaway.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:55:25pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s all in the posture

And the integrity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:57:47pm
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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:58:05pm

re: #164 Dave In Austin

I never knew that. I’ve made it a point to never own a suit. Or a tie for that fact.

Lucky pup

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:58:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 5:59:52pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

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That was right after Macron crushed the yam’s hand.
And I mean crushed it good.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:00:51pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

It is a pity that DT will not learn anything from it.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:01:35pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

That was right after Macron crushed the yam’s hand.
And I mean crushed it good.

Never get into a hand-shaking competition with a Frenchman.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:01:51pm

re: #208 PhillyPretzel

It is a pity that DT will not learn anything from it.

True that.
But I was really pleased to see that handshake left marks on the yam’s hand.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:02:44pm

*Tinfoil hat* Could Putin already know the outcome of the summit? Is Trump being guided by Putin?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:03:55pm

On the climate, we have an ambitious position at 6, without the United States. This is not a novelty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:05:12pm

Russia is a great European power. We have to work together. But we must be coherent: the G7 will be enlarged if and only if the Minsk agreements on Ukraine are respected. The ball is in Russia’s camp.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:05:27pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

Never get into a hand-shaking competition with a Frenchman.

And I speak from experience.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:07:39pm

In the #G7Charlevoix, President Trump saw that he had a united front in front of him. To find themselves isolated in a concert of Nations is contrary to American history.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:08:45pm

re: #211 Amory Blaine

This was posted in 2017. littlegreenfootballs.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:10:07pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:10:09pm

re: #209 Charles Johnson

Never get into a hand-shaking competition with a Frenchman.

Is that like a land war in Asia?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:10:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:11:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:12:42pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:14:14pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dear John,

We heard this same shit from 2000 to 2008. And America still managed to find a way to bypass Bush in terms of dumbfuckery.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:14:28pm

re: #126 William Lewis

I’ve been blessed that way a couple of times.

One time I was living in St. Cloud MN and there was the unmistakable sound of round engines overhead. I ran out and a B-17 and B-24 heading to Oshkosh were circling town to land for fuel.

A few years later, one weekend a B-17 and a DC-3 were at the airport in Madison WI for an airshow. We didn’t have the money for rides but we went and watched them come and go a number of times then went to the hanger dance that Saturday night. They were supposed to fly out that Tuesday but were grounded - Tuesday, Sept 11, 2001…

When I went to Tikal, we traveled by DC-3. I went for the ruins, but might have done it just for the flights.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:20:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:21:34pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:22:58pm

re: #145 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I know I have more pet peeves than is healthy, but WTF is this obsession with leaving the definite article off of place names that require it? It’s The Ukraine, The Crimea, The Donbass…and The Sudan, while we’re at it. I suppose I’ve been fatigued into compliance on The Lebanon and The Labrador and The Gambia….

The inhabitants of those places, in their wisdom, have declared that they don’t want no stinking articles — after all, they understand the nuances of English better than we native speakers ever could.

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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:23:31pm

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

We’ll recover. Trump couldn’t do any of this by himself, he has the conservative party’s help.

That party keeps losing seats in special elections.

If the Democrats even take one house in the legislature, a lot of the insanity from Trump comes to a stop. Yes, he’ll scream about Democratic obstruction but he’s doing that now. So what.

Two seats in the Senate and Pence’s thumb can be taken off the tie-breaking scale. Sanders gets a lot of dumping on but he usually votes with the Democrats in the Senate. Ditto with Manchin.

As an aside I would not be surprised to see manchin change to Republican if/when he wins reelection

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:24:47pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:26:23pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ricky is right. That is what we all should be doing.

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William Lewis  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:29:08pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Actually the point zero for milk pricing is in Wisconsin. The farther away from here you get, the more the Government guarantees your milk will bring in. California dairy farmers have been the biggest gainers from this for a very long time (1949 IIRC).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:29:23pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Optimism? Haha. Fuck off Mike.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:30:56pm

Second day of the #G7 Summit in Canada: deliberations on the fringes of the official agenda #G7Charlevoix

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:31:28pm

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

Ukraine is the correct name of the country. The Ukraine was a Soviet styling.

Crimea is the correct name of the peninsula. Donbass is the correct name of the area of eastern Ukraine. Sudan is the correct name of the country; The Sudan was its colonial name.

On the other hand, The Gambia is the correct name for that nation.

Russian has no articles — how can “The Ukraine” be a “Soviet styling?”

Ukraina in Russian and Ukrainian is a common noun meaning borderland. The definite article in English turns it into a proper name, so we say “Canada,” but “The United States.” (BTW, “The Lebanon” is a carryover from Arabic, which uses an article before the names of countries.)

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:31:35pm

West Wing, s.6 ep 17 “A Good Day”

Kate Harper: [to the Canadian Ambassador] Ambassador, listen carefully. An hour ago, I reviewed the United States contingency plan to invade your country.
Will Bailey: There’s a contingency plan…
Kate Harper: [Interrupting Will] 1789, amended in 1815. The calligraphy is beautiful. And if one more deal is floated in this room, I’m gonna ask DoD to reactive it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:32:59pm

*fans self*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:36:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:39:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:40:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:43:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:44:17pm

Of course she’d have to pay off that massive senate run debt, and file all those Election Commission forms, and maybe learn a bit more about law …

That is one thread full of derp.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:47:11pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m fortunate, I can say I’m from California. Discerning people have always known exactly what I’m saying.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:48:54pm

re: #233 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Russian has no articles — how can “The Ukraine” be a “Soviet styling?”

Ukraina in Russian and Ukrainian is a common noun meaning borderland. The definite article in English turns it into a proper name, so we say “Canada,” but “The United States.” (BTW, “The Lebanon” is a carryover from Arabic, which uses an article before the names of countries.)

Via Wikipedia:

Since the Ukrainian language does not use definite articles, “Ukraine” is the proper name in the Ukrainian language. However, in languages which possess definite articles, the question of whether the “official” name for Ukraine includes the definite article is subject to discussion. “Ukraine” and “The Ukraine” are both possible translations of the Ukrainian “Україна”.

Since the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine, the English-speaking world has changed its usage from “the Ukraine” to “Ukraine”. From November 1991, several American journalists began to use “Ukraine” instead of “the Ukraine”. The Associated Press dropped the article “the” on 3 December 1991. This approach has become established in journalism and diplomacy since (other examples are the style guides of The Guardian and The Times). In 1993 the Ukrainian government requested that the article be dropped.

Referring to the country as “the Ukraine” instead of “Ukraine” is considered insulting and derogatory by many Ukrainians. U.S. ambassador William Taylor states the usage of “the Ukraine” is now seen as questioning the country’s sovereignty. He noted parallels in (particularly British) English, where forms such as “the Lebanon” were once usual for non-sovereign territories, as one would for instance refer to “the Midwest”. Another theory about the origin of “The Ukraine” comes from Bernard Pares, an English historian of Russia. His theory suggested that “the Ukraine” came from French usage.[citation needed] The French language uses definite articles in naming countries - la France, le Canada, and l’Ukraine are a few examples. However, the definite article is lost when translated. English speakers do not use “the France” or “the Canada” in the English language.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:52:52pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:53:38pm

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹

See my #226 for the short version.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:58:28pm

re: #244 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

See my #226 for the short version.

Yup. I was incorrect in the Russian sourcing for the name.

“The” does seem to be a sort of colonial usage for territories (The Congo, &c).

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 9, 2018 • 6:59:59pm

나팔은 성기 야.

Google Translate says that the above = Trump is a cunt in Korean. But when I translate it back into English I get this: The trumpet is a penis. works for me.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:00:15pm
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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:01:45pm

Watching the latest Antiques Roadshow, which is full of little historical nuggets, … but as usual, the question that comes to my mind is how many of these people showing up with their stuff would still show up if there were not a promise of some outrageous value could be assigned?

Perhaps there is a deeper lesson in here for us… that most people only care about the past if they can cash in on it?

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:06:34pm

re: #248 freetoken

For some yes. I for one have quite a few things from my late parents. Even though I needed money a while back I never thought about selling them. My sister wanted me to sell everything I had but instead I declared Chapter 13 bankruptcy and was able to hold on to practically everything. Appraisals can help some folks with money but also with happy memories too.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:08:34pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Awwww!! A Boxer puppy too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:09:06pm

This.

If they cart people off to camps for being in the opposition party, maybe I’ll get to meet Mr. Wright at least… .

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:11:28pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

Of course she’d have to pay off that massive senate run debt, and file all those Election Commission forms, and maybe learn a bit more about law …

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That is one thread full of derp.

Who exactly would be in jail and for what crimes? Straight up fascism. Arresting political enemies is what happens in dictatorships like Russia (where they’re also killed). Perhaps Ms. Owens doesn’t know that.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:12:06pm

re: #248 freetoken

Well, keep in mind there’s several layers of filtering going on with those types of shows these days.

One, the idea of the “surprise! It’s super expensive” has changed how people view their old crap, and how they choose what old crap they take to be looked over.

Second, the show is a selection of segments from a cattle run of people getting stuff appraised (I’ve actually gone through the process, but didn’t make it onscreen with the stuff I had brought), so it’s maybe one in a hundred that gets through to a show, and generally at that point the interviewee has some sense that their thing is special, and thus the question about money comes pretty naturally.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:12:29pm

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

Who exactly would be in jail and for what crimes? Straight up fascism. Arresting political enemies is what happens in dictatorships like Russia (where they’re also killed). Perhaps Ms. Owens doesn’t know that.

Ms. Owens appears to be what they used to call “a useful idiot.”

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:12:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:14:49pm

re: #227 dangerman

Manchin and Heitkamp are pretty much Republicans mascarading as Conservative Democrats. If they flip, they flip.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:19:52pm

re: #245 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. I was incorrect in the Russian sourcing for the name.

“The” does seem to be a sort of colonial usage for territories (The Congo, &c).

Using the article to set off a common noun is more fundamental. “The United States” is not a colonial usage.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:21:38pm

This is another guy who needs to be sued into oblivion.

Alex Jones: Anthony Bourdain may have been murdered because he was going to “do a Kanye West”

Jones: “Bourdain was planning to basically do a Kanye West, but just about the whole global awakening, everything that was about to happen”

Video

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:22:12pm

re: #258 Anymouse 🌹

This is another guy who needs to be sued into oblivion.

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Jones is a cunt.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:26:53pm

Sigh. Do you know what a bread end (in a plastic bag) looks like after you’ve put it at the bottom of a bag of plastic recycling and forgotten about it for six months?

I do….

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:27:14pm

re: #258 Anymouse 🌹

Bourdain joked about serving hemlock to Trump. He hated him.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:27:39pm

re: #260 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

A breeding ground for mold.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:28:07pm

re: #256 Patricia Kayden

Manchin and Heitkamp are pretty much Republicans mascarading as Conservative Democrats. If they flip, they flip.

Heitkamp voted against confirming the creationist for NASA director. She voted against the Toomey Amendment (the so-called “dangerous sanctuary cities” bill).

She voted to remove any armed forces from Yemen not authorised by Congress.

Heitkamp may not be a liberal as Elizabeth Warren, but she is far-and-away better than any Republican currently in the government.

She represents North Dakota. (Other than being colder and less populous, it is much like my state.) Elizabeth Warren could not be elected there. On the other hand, Don Blankenship probably could.

votesmart.org

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:28:48pm

re: #261 Patricia Kayden

Bourdain joked about serving hemlock to Trump. He hated him.

Yeah but that’s exactly why they’re lying now that he’s dead.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:29:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:30:11pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:31:46pm

I just finished watching both seasons of Victoria. To all of my fellow lizards I wish a good evening.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:32:16pm

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh *this* will be the moment he realizes how FUBAR this all is? Hmph.

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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:34:32pm

re: #256 Patricia Kayden

Manchin and Heitkamp are pretty much Republicans mascarading as Conservative Democrats. If they flip, they flip.

Well it’s one thing to vote as they do another to change who they caucus with. That “could” re-re-flip who runs the senate

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:35:19pm

More:

Heitkamp voted against Brownback to be the international religious ambassador.
She voted against HR-1 (the tax cut bill)

But hey, she’s not 100%, so might as well let the GOP take her seat.

I hope Jane Raybould doesn’t have to put up with this here trying to oust Deb Fischer this year.

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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:36:04pm

re: #260 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Sigh. Do you know what a bread end (in a plastic bag) looks like after you’ve put it at the bottom of a bag of plastic recycling and forgotten about it for six months?

I do….

Pennicilin?

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:36:09pm
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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:37:14pm

This is a damned shame.

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dangerman  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:37:51pm

re: #267 PhillyPretzel

I just finished watching both seasons of Victoria. To all of my fellow lizards I wish a good evening.

We just wrapped up Seven Seconds

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fern01  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:39:13pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth
“I don’t think the upshot of this press conference was about tariffs…. I’m concerned about the president’s state of mind. He did not look well to me… He was not speaking logically or

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He never speaks logically and his state of mind is exactly as it has always been. The media always has an excuse for the moron.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:39:19pm

re: #271 dangerman

Pennicilin?

I should be so lucky.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:39:31pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*fans self*

I like that tattoo….

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:40:40pm

re: #274 dangerman

We just wrapped up Seven Seconds

We’re still slogging through the second season of “Handmaid’s Tale” on Hulu.

If the GOP is going to use it as an instruction manual, we might as well learn how to run a station on the Underground Femaleroad.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:40:58pm

W00t. I just went over 10,000 karma. Yay me.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:41:34pm

re: #111 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Kind of odd that our UN ambassador is supporting our sanctions against Russia while Trump is requesting that Russia be allowed back into the G7.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:42:18pm

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

We’re still slogging through the second season of “Handmaid’s Tale” on Hulu.

If the GOP is going to use it as an instruction manual, we might as well learn how to run a station on the Underground Femaleroad.

We will sanction calling it the Underground Frailroad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:43:25pm

re: #279 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

W00t. I just went over 10,000 karma. Yay me.

pick up your toaster from the LGF prize closet.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:43:28pm

Ya’ll get a chance would you give Christi a follow? She’s real good people.
@Cmarrufo60

Thx

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:43:51pm

re: #281 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

We will sanction calling it the Underground Frailroad.

Well, in my experience most women are a lot of things, but “frail” isn’t one of them.

(I see you’re contracting the term, I just went a different way with what you wrote.)

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:44:06pm

re: #280 Patricia Kayden

Kind of odd that our UN ambassador is supporting our sanctions against Russia while Trump is requesting that Russia be allowed back into the G7.

Not for the first time. Par for the course these days. (And who ever thought that Nikki would be the sane one?)

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:44:29pm

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

I’d vote for them if they were the Dems running against Republicans but have to admit that they tend to vote with Republicans a bit too many times for my liking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:44:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:44:52pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

pick up your toaster from the LGF prize closet.

What will you get to pick when you reach half a million? A seat on the board of directors perchance?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:45:04pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

Well, in my experience most women are a lot of things, but “frail” isn’t one of them.

(I see you’re contracting the term, I just went a different way with what you wrote.)

I stole it from the appendix to the novel.

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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:45:25pm

At this point, any adult in America has to know exactly what Trump is and what he stands for.

So, if anyone still supports Trump, they have to be:
1) maliciously bigoted;
2) very, very dull of mind.

Or the combination of the above.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:46:12pm

re: #288 Anymouse 🌹

What will you get to pick when you reach half a million? A seat on the board of directors perchance?

it will be a surprise

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:47:06pm

re: #286 Patricia Kayden

I’d vote for them if they were the Dems running against Republicans but have to admit that they tend to vote with Republicans a bit too many times for my liking.

I did campaigning for Doug Jones, who would never be elected in my district — way too conservative.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:47:31pm
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fern01  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:48:26pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Doubtful that the Italian PM will be in the position long enough to make it to the WH. The look on trump’s face when a different PM turns up will be a joy to behold.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:48:37pm

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

More:

Heitkamp voted against Brownback to be the international religious ambassador.
She voted against HR-1 (the tax cut bill)

But hey, she’s not 100%, so might as well let the GOP take her seat.

I hope Jane Raybould doesn’t have to put up with this here trying to oust Deb Fischer this year.

You got me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:49:23pm

re: #286 Patricia Kayden

I’d vote for them if they were the Dems running against Republicans but have to admit that they tend to vote with Republicans a bit too many times for my liking.

If she was running for President I would choose someone else if that person was further left.

If she was running for the Senate and it was for Massachusetts or California the same.

She’s not from those states though, she’s from North Dakota. She is a far better ally than say Marco Rubio, who represents a middle of the road state.

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JordanRules  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:50:04pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:50:24pm

re: #290 freetoken

At this point, any adult in America has to know exactly what Trump is and what he stands for.

So, if anyone still supports Trump, they have to be:
1) maliciously bigoted;
2) very, very dull of mind.

Or the combination of the above.

Or brainwashed by RWNJ news sources. We keep forgetting how much is filtered out of the “news” many hear, and the effect constant propaganda has on people.

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dell*nix  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:50:35pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

It is a short drive from Topeka to Leavenworth in the same state.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:51:10pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good to hear.

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Belafon  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:53:23pm

re: #286 Patricia Kayden

I’d vote for them if they were the Dems running against Republicans but have to admit that they tend to vote with Republicans a bit too many times for my liking.

If Manchin were running against Cruz here in Texas, I’d not only donate and vote for him, I’d be getting all of my relatives to vote for him.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:53:43pm

Well, my Ring series opera dates are next week (how time flies) so I have to go tackle Siegfried. See you all later.

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Kragar  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:53:58pm
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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:54:56pm

re: #298 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

“Brainwashed” is passive, another term for being a victim.

At this point, the Trumpers who are left have no excuses. Any adult who is not cognitively impaired makes choices on whether or not to expend the effort to figure something out.

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fern01  Jun 9, 2018 • 7:57:59pm

re: #84 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Ummm…This seems at least mildly illegal to me

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Another moment to say “what if a democrat had done this?”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:00:51pm

re: #304 freetoken

“Brainwashed” is passive, another term for being a victim.

At this point, the Trumpers who are left have no excuses. Any adult who is not cognitively impaired makes choices on whether or not to expend the effort to figure something out.

Nope. Get Anymouse to tell you about what news sources are available in his neck of the woods. And in much of the country people have never had the kind of education that would hone their judgement. In that kind of milieu, it takes a lot of effort not to succumb. (Or consider the frog being slowly heated in a pot of water.)

Now I’m really out of here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:01:06pm

re: #304 freetoken

“Brainwashed” is passive, another term for being a victim.

At this point, the Trumpers who are left have no excuses. Any adult who is not cognitively impaired makes choices on whether or not to expend the effort to figure something out.

For some voters, it does seem that the {R} is like a watch in the hands of a hypnotist.

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fern01  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:01:38pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

Why, I think he just called Prime Minister Trudeau a liar.

He should answer back: “Donald makes some bold claims about me and the truth. He should realize his own treatment of reality calls into question anything he says. This I can tell you.”

Heh.

Reality is that other than trump, no world leaders hurl twitter (or non twitter) insults at other world leaders.The moron knows this when he throws his sh!t around.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:04:07pm

re: #281 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

We will sanction calling it the Underground Frailroad.

How about The Broad Highway?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:04:15pm

re: #306 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Yup. My regional newspaper is putting a spin that Trump was really in charge at the G7, while Europeans are claiming they were really in charge.

So, who knows? The Star-Herald will let you decide.

starherald.com

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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:05:26pm

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There was a universal delusion among the pundit class in ‘16 that Trump would follow Dubya and St. Ronnie in filling his cabinet with career politicians/diplomats/etc who would dampen any damage he did to America’s standing by translating his brain droppings into “reasonable” policy. Even Congressional Republicans were willing to go along with the crazier of his appointees because he grabbed up men like Jefferson Beauregard to fill out the seats.

It never seemed to occur to any of them, despite all the warnings to the contrary, that Donny was enough of a wannabe dictator that he would start firing appointees that didn’t do as he wanted and cowed the rest into being his willing accomplices.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:06:52pm

re: #310 Anymouse 🌹

Oh yeah, didn’t give a shit about it and left early but totally in charge.

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ObserverArt  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:06:53pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In that photo of Trump, it really is Macron that is talking to Trump.

I followed Trumps eyes and they are not fixed on Merkel they are looking up too high and away to his left.

Macron is hidden but you can see his face expression and he is trying to reason with Lumpy Trumpy.

Mekel is just staring him down with that “listen you fool” look and posture.

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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:06:55pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We can say with certainty that Trudeau is a man who lifts.

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Skip Intro  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:08:26pm

re: #272 JordanRules

Ambassador Rodman. Count on it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:10:40pm

re: #315 Skip Intro

Ambassador Rodman. Count on it.

If Dennis Rodman wants to live in Pyongyang, I wouldn’t be opposed to that.

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jaunte  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:10:53pm

Professor of international affairs, University of Ottawa. Founding director of @uOttawaCIPS. Former foreign policy advisor to PM Justin Trudeau:

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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:11:34pm

re: #310 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. My regional newspaper is putting a spin that Trump was really in charge at the G7, while Europeans are claiming they were really in charge.

So, who knows? The Star-Herald will let you decide.

starherald.com

And this is why the whole matter with G7 is being lost on the wingnuts. Instead of an America who is being increasingly isolated and ostracized, they believe it’s totally right that America should “stand alone” and ignore “Socialists” who are trying to stop America from “being Great Again.” They totally believe that our closest allies are working in secret to dismantle this country so as to supplant us as the “leaders of the Free World.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:13:14pm

re: #315 Skip Intro

Ambassador Rodman. Count on it.

And he’d be in the top 1% most qualified appointments tRump ever made….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:14:35pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

And this is why the whole matter with G7 is being lost on the wingnuts. Instead of an America who is being increasingly isolated and ostracized, they believe it’s totally right that America should “stand alone” and ignore “Socialists” who are trying to stop America from “being Great Again.” They totally believe that our closest allies are working in secret to dismantle this country so as to supplant us as the “leaders of the Free World.”

They are going to get a nasty shock because the G6 along with Mexico are getting ready to hit Trump with Monty’s Python’s…

16 ton weight

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:16:52pm

One more issue on Heidi Heitkamp and I’ll leave that alone.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Nate Silver tracked her individual votes versus what Trump said his position was on various subjects. He also noted in the overall statistics how much Trump beat Clinton by (+35.7).

Other things I didn’t catch earlier: She voted against the 20-week abortion ban bill (Trump supported it), and voted for the bi-partisan immigration bill (Trump opposed it).

Mr. Silver’s information on her record is pretty good info.

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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:17:56pm

re: #306 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Part of the concept of “responsible” is that one is able to figure out, in some general sense, what various claims are made by one’s peers and the outsiders, those not part of one’s normal circle.

There is no one in the US today who is totally cut off from large sources of information.

Here I am not speaking of the elderly and infirm in institutions, who are people who really have limited capability for making judgements.

Nope, I’m writing about your next door neighbor. Even if they spend all day watching Fox News, their cable channel (or satellite) has plenty of other stations. Public radio has low powered repeaters all over this land.

And no one is away from getting mail delivery, unless they set sail.

So, I’m judging my fellow Americans exactly because they have a choice to learn or not, to change or not.

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Skip Intro  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:19:54pm

The Germans have a new word for Trump: Mankindertweetfuhrer, or man-baby dictator who rules via Twitter.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:21:32pm

re: #323 Skip Intro

Sounds accurate to me.

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Skip Intro  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:23:02pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:24:20pm

Re: Pyongyang embassy. Whether or not the ambassador is Dennis Rodman, wouldn’t it be amusing if we had an ambassador to NK while still not having one to SK?

For certain values of “amusing”….

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:25:46pm

re: #322 freetoken

Public radio (NPR) is not available here. We do have some music stations, Christian hate radio, and conservative talk hate radio.

Cable service is not available. For those who have the money for satellite, they do have a wide variety of television choices. For terrestrial television, good luck with that, they’re all Sinclair Broadcasting here.

Internet service is practically unavailable (it is the largest bill I pay, more than my electric and gas combined).

The best I can do is inform people by word-of-mouth, because they sure aren’t going to get a straight story from the media here.

It reminds me of the time the Berlin Wall fell. At that time, I was stationed aboard an aircraft carrier, and had a privately-owned shortwave radio so I could get more than censored news from AFRTS.

Every night I would put headlines on our shop chalkboard that I’d gathered from services such as the BBC or Deutsche Welle.

Every morning we had a parade of people through our shop who came to read the news chalkboard.

Eventually the word got to my department head, who ordered me to quit putting news headlines on our shop chalkboard.

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Targetpractice  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:25:59pm

re: #320 Joe Bacon 🌹

They are going to get a nasty shock because the G6 along with Mexico are getting ready to hit Trump with Monty’s Python’s…

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It will just feed into the psychosis. You’re talking people who’ve been convinced that Europe is a seething caldron of socialism that is being overrun by Muslim hordes, Canada is a socialist prison where people are held hostage by a government who’s taken their guns and taxed them so much that they’re fleeing to America for basic healthcare, and Mexico is a corrupt hellhole where the cartels run everything and the government is secretly working to seize American states by sending in waves of “illegals” to breed until there’s enough of them to take over the governments of Western states.

It’s 1933 and they’re convinced that Chancellor Trump is going to lead America back to the greatness of its heritage. We’re a Reichstag Fire away from Enabling Acts at this point.

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sagehen  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:26:31pm

re: #302 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Well, my Ring series opera dates are next week (how time flies) so I have to go tackle Siegfried. See you all later.

Everything I know about that opera:

1) it has music from Apocalypse Now
2) it ends with a fat lady singing

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Belafon  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:28:26pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

Then it will be up to us as well to prevent it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:34:40pm

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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:34:42pm

re: #327 Anymouse 🌹

Sure.

And anybody in your town can get mail, and thus get newspapers and periodicals from all over.

I bet everyone in your village has been to a town large enough to have a book store (the few which remain) or other source of printed material.

Does your village get delivery service from a public library (say in Sidney or North Platte)?

People can choose to be hermits. It’s their choice. They can also choose to be informed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:35:59pm

re: #328 Targetpractice

That reminds me of the fear I encountered her the first time we went to Canada.

And when we came back from our Germany/Poland trip? Folk were amazed at how “brave” we were because ISIS was about to overrun Poland (I am not making that up).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:38:19pm

re: #330 Belafon

Then it will be up to us as well to prevent it.

And there is no mechanism in the Constitution to legislate an Enabling Act similar to Germany’s. The Constitution was written without an emergency clause for a reason.

Now if someone wants to entirely ignore the Constitution, that is the moment of truth when tens of millions should be in the streets.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:44:46pm

re: #334 Anymouse 🌹

And there is no mechanism in the Constitution to legislate an Enabling Act similar to Germany’s. The Constitution was written without an emergency clause for a reason.

Now if someone wants to entirely ignore the Constitution, that is the moment of truth when tens of millions should be in the streets.

If we can’t take the power away from these idiots this year, it will reach a point where certain states will just start doing what they think is right and the hell with the Federal Government. (I can see Washington, Oregon, California, and Hawaii from my front porch.) Jerry Brown’s given them a small taste of that already.

Short of rolling tanks to coerce them, what are they going to do? And if they do that, well…we’ll see what the troops do.

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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:46:11pm

Watching the documentary about the making of The Life of Brian, in which Cleese pointedly reminds everyone of the nature of Christianity in America:

The Secret Life Of Brian: Documentary on the Monty Python film

Clip should start around 34:40 or so, for the quip.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:46:51pm

re: #333 Anymouse 🌹

That reminds me of the fear I encountered her the first time we went to Canada.

And when we came back from our Germany/Poland trip? Folk were amazed at how “brave” we were because ISIS was about to overrun Poland (I am not making that up).

I got the same shit when going to the Czech Republic.

One lady actually was worried about her son going there for a conducting gig with an orchestra (in some medium-sized town) because of ISIS and refugees. I was like: “worry less about ISIS, more about dodgy drink prices at Prague titty bars.”

…was not the kind of reassurance she was looking for.

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BeachDem  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:47:09pm

re: #290 freetoken

At this point, any adult in America has to know exactly what Trump is and what he stands for.

So, if anyone still supports Trump, they have to be:
1) maliciously bigoted;
2) very, very dull of mind.

Or the combination of the above.

As has always been my mantra: stupid or hateful or both.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:50:59pm

re: #332 freetoken

Sure.

And anybody in your town can get mail, and thus get newspapers and periodicals from all over.

I bet everyone in your village has been to a town large enough to have a book store (the few which remain) or other source of printed material.

Does your village get delivery service from a public library (say in Sidney or North Platte)?

People can choose to be hermits. It’s their choice. They can also choose to be informed.

We have a public library, of which until recently my wife was the librarian. It does have periodicals (on hunting, fishing, Nebraska Life magazine, no news magazines or newspapers).

We get mail, especially the bi-weekly Nazi newsletter sent from that dipwad rancher in Gordon. We also get free “newspapers” put out by organizations I can’t trace that are allegedly about agriculture but hammer against teaching evolution, climate science, &c mixed in with farm reports.

The nearest book store is 130 miles away in Cheyenne.

I can’t make someone subscribe to The Economist or The Washington Post (which won’t deliver newspapers here anyway).

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Citizen K  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:52:01pm

The Times is beyond parody at this point. It’s just amazing how much water they constantly carry for Trump.

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BeachDem  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:55:24pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Every time I see that photo, I am distracted by how ridiculously long the yam’s fucking tie is.

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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:55:52pm

re: #339 Anymouse 🌹

I can’t make someone subscribe to The Economist or The Washington Post (which won’t deliver newspapers here anyway).

Of course you can’t (though someone could buy such a subscription for your library, no?)

Yet it remains, your neighbors who live off of dodgy information are doing so at their choice. If they really wanted to investigate something as far as the truth of a matter, they could research it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:56:16pm

re: #340 Citizen K

The Times is beyond parody at this point. It’s just amazing how much water they constantly carry for Trump.

They did the same for Hitler in the Thirties. They did the same for Bush’s invasion of Iraq.

Reporters like Maggie Haberman become incensed when she is called for covering lies, and other reporters then come in to defend her.

That’s in New York, the most cosmopolitan and sophisticated city in the USA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:57:46pm

re: #342 freetoken

Of course you can’t (though someone could buy such a subscription for your library, no?)

Yet it remains, your neighbors who live off of dodgy information are doing so at their choice. If they really wanted to investigate something as far as the truth of a matter, they could research it.

Sure. Would you like the address of our library to buy a subscription to a magazine or newspaper? I don’t have the money (I spent it on LGF).

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Belafon  Jun 9, 2018 • 8:59:41pm

The Martian was on jus a little bit ago. As I was watching, I was remebering how I felt when I first watched it, which was that I wanted to live in that version of America. And then I started thinking I want to return to they tyoe of America where a writer can think that type of book can be written.

And then I got to the end, where Mark is talking to future astronauts, and was talking about space, and and about how, realizing that you could die, that you can either give into it, or start solving the problems to stay alive. This is where we all are. We either give in to Trump and the GOP, or we keep solving the problems that come up, until we reach our goal.

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freetoken  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:00:49pm

re: #344 Anymouse 🌹

Sure. Would you like the address of our library to buy a subscription to a magazine or newspaper? I don’t have the money (I spent it on LGF).

Nope, not going to buy you a subscription to The Economist or any other periodical (though you might try investigating some source of support, which various foundations have for libraries.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:05:57pm

re: #340 Citizen K

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The Times is beyond parody at this point. It’s just amazing how much water they constantly carry for Trump.

You mean they’re not “failing” anymore?

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MsJ  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:09:57pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Still like Connery’s Bond the most. Just someone who really transcends era with the character.

Sean Connery is a woman beater. I saw him on TV some years ago and he said that sometimes a woman need a good beating. With a smile on his face.

I was dumbstruck.

I’ve never watched another of his movies after that. He’s a fucking pig.

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prairiefire  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:12:54pm

re: #248 freetoken

Watching the latest Antiques Roadshow, which is full of little historical nuggets, … but as usual, the question that comes to my mind is how many of these people showing up with their stuff would still show up if there were not a promise of some outrageous value could be assigned?

Perhaps there is a deeper lesson in here for us… that most people only care about the past if they can cash in on it?

I think many of them are proud of their family heirlooms and just want to get validation of the value. Lots of them say, “well, it’s not going anywhere.”, or it’s going to future generations(who might sell it).

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fern01  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:29:03pm

re: #194 Citizen K

It’s just….I’m amazed how in such a short time, Trump has utterly torched decades, carefully cultivated decades of American diplomacy that even Bush the Lesser didn’t manage to destroy and was mostly recovered by the Obama presidency. At least Dubya, inept and dangerous as his foreign policy team was, pretended to make paeans to diplomacy and international alliances. Trump has, within a year and a half, all but declared the remaining G6 as his personal Axis of Evil. He’s destabilized our entire international influence in a fucking ant’s fart time on the historical scale.

And so much of our country fucking loves it because ‘America First!!!!!!!!’ Except at this rate, it’s going to be ‘America Last’, because we’re going to fuck ourselves in a race to the bottom just so we can say we flipped off the world for our bestie Russia.

We’re never going to recover from this. Not for decades, even under the best case scenario where the electorate doesn’t give Dems a similar ant’s fart worth of time to fix everything before deciding to give the entire country back to daddy GOP.

Going to take a long time for any western country to have trust in the USA again. trump has refused to accept any agreements made by previous administrations. Why would anyone trust another admin when it is so easy for the next one to overrule. Cannot imagine how Japan & SK will recover from seeing their long term defence pacts turned into nothing.

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fern01  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:41:06pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Another reason why the US has lost the long term ability to negotiate with trade or defense partners. trump upended previous agreements/commitments. Who in their right mind would go through this again believing the US would honor their word.

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fern01  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:51:37pm

re: #311 Targetpractice

There was a universal delusion among the pundit class in ‘16 that Trump would follow Dubya and St. Ronnie in filling his cabinet with career politicians/diplomats/etc who would dampen any damage he did to America’s standing by translating his brain droppings into “reasonable” policy. Even Congressional Republicans were willing to go along with the crazier of his appointees because he grabbed up men like Jefferson Beauregard to fill out the seats.

It never seemed to occur to any of them, despite all the warnings to the contrary, that Donny was enough of a wannabe dictator that he would start firing appointees that didn’t do as he wanted and cowed the rest into being his willing accomplices.

People also managed to forget that Career politicians/diplomats would not want to work for trump. Under normal circumstances most of his appointees would (and should) have been rejected by the senate.

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fern01  Jun 9, 2018 • 9:54:05pm

re: #315 Skip Intro

Ambassador Rodman. Count on it.

Approved by the Senate?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 9, 2018 • 10:02:53pm

re: #351 fern01

Another reason why the US has lost the long term ability to negotiate with trade or defense partners. trump upended previous agreements/commitments. Who in their right mind would go through this again believing the US would honor their word.

I would have given up on that after Derna

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Teukka  Jun 9, 2018 • 11:15:08pm

re: #247 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 10, 2018 • 1:28:25am

re: #313 ObserverArt

In that photo of Trump, it really is Macron that is talking to Trump.

I followed Trumps eyes and they are not fixed on Merkel they are looking up too high and away to his left.

Macron is hidden but you can see his face expression and he is trying to reason with Lumpy Trumpy.

Mekel is just staring him down with that “listen you fool” look and posture.

It actually looks like Macron and Bolton are talking over each other.


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Calexico - End of the World With You (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents Calexico performing "End Of The World With You" live in the KEXP studio. Recorded June 19, 2018. Host: MorganAudio Engineers: Martin H. Gonzalez & Julian MartlewCameras: Jim Beckmann, Alaia D'Alessandro, Scott Holpainen & Justin WilmoreEditor: Jim Beckmann ...
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LSD - Thunderclouds (Official Audio) Ft. Sia, Diplo, Labrinth Labrinth, Sia & Diplo present LSD - Thunderclouds (Official Audio) Stream "Thunderclouds" now: smarturl.itSpotify: smarturl.itiTunes: smarturl.itApple Music: smarturl.itAmazon Music: smarturl.it Learn more about LSD and sign up for the official mailing list: droppinglsd.com Lyrics: All I need is oneOne ...
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Half•alive - Still Feel. [Music VIDEO] half•alive’s music video for ‘still feel.’ Save on Spotify : spoti.fi Apple Music : apple.coSoundcloud : SoundCloud find half•alive on… Instagram: instagr.amTwitter: @halfalivecoSpotify: spoti.fiSoundcloud: SoundCloudSite: halfalive.co Directed / Edited / Colored by : Josh TaylorDirector of Photography : Ryan ...
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Dave Grohl - Play (Official Video) PLAY more at play.roswellfilms.com Pre-order limited edition vinyl bundles and stream the song: smarturl.it “PLAY” by Dave Grohl celebrates the rewards and challenges of dedicating one’s life to playing and mastering a musical instrument. Part one opens with narrated ...
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The Seshen - Distant Heart (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents The Seshen performing "Distant Heart" live at The Little London Plane during Upstream Music Fest. Recorded June 1, 2018. Host: Kevin ColeAudio Engineer: Kevin SuggsCameras: Jim Beckmann, Alaia D'Alessandro & Justin WilmoreDirector: Scott HolpainenEditor: Alaia D'Alessandro kexp.orgtheseshen.comupstreammusicfest.com ...
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Retrograde PresidentProfit at any cost. American dream. President Trump. Blind destruction. BBC News: The Trump administration has overturned bans on the use of pesticides linked to declining bee populations and the cultivation of genetically modified crops in US national wildlife refuges. ...
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David Crosby and Jason Isbell ‘Ohio’----Newport
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Activist Publishes 11,000 Private DMs Between Wikileaks and Its Supporters The DMs concern a particular group chat between the official Wikileaks account and several supporters. In the chat—dubbed “Wikileaks +10” due to number of participants—Wikileaks would coordinate smear campaigns against the group’s rivals, including journalists, according to the DMs. ...
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Capital Cities - Levitate (Visualizer)Music video by Capital Cities performing Levitate. © 2018 Lazy Hooks, LLC, under exclusive license to UMG Recordings, Inc. vevo.ly
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