Trump’s Two Main Doctrines: “We’re America, B*tch” and “F*ck Obama”

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Who says Donald Trump doesn’t have a doctrine all his own?

The best distillation of the Trump Doctrine I heard, though, came from a senior White House official with direct access to the president and his thinking. I was talking to this person several weeks ago, and I said, by way of introduction, that I thought it might perhaps be too early to discern a definitive Trump Doctrine.

“No,” the official said. “There’s definitely a Trump Doctrine.”

“What is it?” I asked. Here is the answer I received:

“The Trump Doctrine is ‘We’re America, Bitch.’ That’s the Trump Doctrine.”

But wait! One doctrine isn’t enough for the likes of President Racist Grandpa!

One friend of Trump’s … described the Trump Doctrine in the simplest way possible. “There’s the Obama Doctrine, and the ‘Fuck Obama’ Doctrine,” he said. “We’re the ‘Fuck Obama’ Doctrine.”

You have to admit, that does sum up Trump’s “politics” very well: “We’re America, bitch,” and “Fuck Obama.”

And not much else.

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381 comments

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:05:16pm

Сделайте Америку прекрасной

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makeitstop  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:07:25pm

Like I said earlier:

Trump: ‘We’re America, bitch.’

Rest of world: ‘Who you callin’ bitch, Fat Boy?’

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:08:46pm

Something inside me dies when I read a sentence like this:

I said, by way of introduction, that I thought it might perhaps be too early to discern a definitive Trump Doctrine.

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unproven innocence  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:13:21pm

The logical conclusion of this claptrap is Who needs government? Every man for himself! Putin will be so pleased with himself.

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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:15:17pm

this is not government or governing

it is children, rank amateurs, playing at government

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:16:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:17:29pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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the missle launches have stoped…

oh

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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:21:07pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

We have our hostages, testing, research and all missle launches have stoped,

actually some testing and research and missile launches have stopped …. for now

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:22:06pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

That is a sentence that reads like someone needs to hit a word/page count on a high school essay.

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nines09  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:25:12pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The Trump doctrine consists of three words.
Me
Myself
I

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The Major  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:25:22pm

Reading Goldberg’s Atlantic piece just makes me want to projectile vomit - giving the nod to Kushner to negotiate piece in the Middle East - just what the hell is Goldberg smoking?!?!?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:25:22pm

At this point, Trump’s spelling errors are pretty much off my radar. He’s an ignorant piece of shit, we know that. The content of his tweets is far more worrying - it shows a mind that’s coming apart, day by day.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:25:22pm

Stoped.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:25:53pm

re: #13 Stanley Sea

Stoped.

missle

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:26:30pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

missle

He’s dying of jet lag.

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:29:30pm

re: #10 nines09

The Trump doctrine consists of three words.
Me
Myself
I

Four words:

Fuck you, pay me.

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makeitstop  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:32:37pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

He’s dying of jet lag.

Don’t go getting my hopes up, Stanley.

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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:33:20pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

missle

oops….runs up to #8 and fixes own typo

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:35:40pm

Trump is never going to correct his spelling because it pisses smart people off and who’s to tell Trump how words are spelled? We might as well ignore that and just pay attention to the ranting of a man who’s coming undone.

He reminds me of Scalia in his final days.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:39:50pm
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darthstar  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:42:05pm
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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:42:20pm

re: #19 Belafon

Trump is never going to correct his spelling because it pisses smart people off and who’s to tell Trump how words are spelled? We might as well ignore that and just pay attention to the ranting of a man who’s coming undone.

He reminds me of Scalia in his final days.

it matters
he’s careless
an error could be serious

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sauceruney  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:42:56pm

I wonder how long before US business people realize that tariffs will be the least of their worries. He’s (Trump is) stigmatizing American-based brands and imports in a way that may take decades of good voting practices to recover from.

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SteelPH  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:44:18pm

re: #23 sauceruney

I wonder how long before US business people realize that tariffs will be the least of their worries. He’s stigmatizing American-based brands and imports in a way that may take decades of good voting practices to recover from.

Welp, we’re fucked forever. Might as well give up now.

//

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:46:49pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

minor league teams have to do shit like this all the time. That said, some of the best hats come from the minors. I’ve always been partial to this one, but it’s changed a bit over the years.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:47:20pm

re: #16 KGxvi

Four words:

Fuck you, pay me.

This is Donald Trump we’re talking about.
I’m pretty much convinced that it’s fourteen words.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:49:42pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon 🌹

Сделайте Америку прекрасной

I’d suggest Сделайте Америку Снова Великой.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:50:16pm
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makeitstop  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:51:21pm

Tell him, Mr. Nance.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 3:58:41pm
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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:02:35pm
“Mike, you got it? No fucking crazy talk from anybody in the administration.”

— President Trump, quoted by the Wall Street Journal, instructing Vice President Mike Pence to tone down his comments ahead of the meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

so DeNiro’s use of the same word? pfft.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:06:09pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:07:37pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

[haters & losers]

Otherwise known as ‘Americans’.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:09:00pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Haters and losers. Dude it’s time to get out of the seventh grade and start talking like an adult.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:11:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:12:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:12:59pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Haters and losers to Trump because they don’t see how great he is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:13:13pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No shit.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:15:31pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Notice that Trump’s American critics are his enemies? It’s an “us versus them” mentality which is the opposite of what a President should be encouraging. I don’t recall any other President doing this except perhaps Nixon.

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VaughnIAM  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:15:43pm

Does anyone know if there is a way to prove when the state removed a person from the voter roll.
Federal law says that the removal has to be completed by 90 days before the primary or general election.
For Ohio that would be by Aug.8, 2018 for the general election. If they wait later than that they’ve broken a federal law.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:17:13pm

re: #30 JordanRules

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That is so sweet!!! No way, my doggies would tolerate being dressed up like that.

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:23:25pm

re: #13 Stanley Sea

Stoped.

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

missle

Plus, period new sentence after hostages. (unless we also have our testing and research; and missle (sic) launches possess something called stoped (sicK.)

I. Simply. Cannot.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:23:26pm
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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:23:56pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

He’s dying of jet lag.

I think it’s a case of terminal stupidity.

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:24:20pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

If we’re going to decline, we’re going to do it the right way. None of this hundred year stuff.

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:24:24pm

re: #40 VaughnIAM

Does anyone know if there is a way to prove when the state removed a person from the voter roll.
Federal law says that the removal has to be completed by 90 days before the primary or general election.
For Ohio that would be by Aug.8, 2018 for the general election. If they wait later than that they’ve broken a federal law.

Not sure how it works in Ohio, but you can check voter registration in most states either at the state or county level, online (either Secretary of State or county registrar). Generally need name and address, date of birth.

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:25:25pm

Here in San Diego county, one can check to see if one is registered via an online system. Requires address and name.

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:28:12pm

Switching gears to something much more frivolous… HBO has announced that the new Game of Thrones spin off will involve the Age of Heroes. On the one hand, that could be very fun because Martin’s world building includes Westerosi myths and legends that nobody really knows how true they might be. On the other hand, the show runners on GoT got ahead of the books last season, and it was arguably the worst season of the show. I think part of that is because they didn’t have Martin’s writings to fall back on… so, I am worried that they’ll find a way to fuck this up.

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:28:37pm

Whoops, my bad… instead of name one needs the birthdate to go along with the address.

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meteor  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:29:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:30:41pm

re: #45 Belafon

If we’re going to decline, we’re going to do it the right way. None of this hundred year stuff.

I quit smoking about a few years ago, and then I quit drinking…all with an eye on the fact that I’m getting on in years and trying to live healthy so maybe I’ll get a few more years.

Now I’m kinda wondering if the tradeoff was worth it.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:31:23pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Haters and losers to Trump because they don’t see how great he is.

No president has ever talked about the citizens of his country like this, and the fact that Trump continues to do so should be front page news everywhere tomorrow.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:31:29pm
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sagehen  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:32:51pm

re: #48 KGxvi

Switching gears to something much more frivolous… HBO has announced that the new Game of Thrones spin off will involve the Age of Heroes. On the one hand, that could be very fun because Martin’s world building includes Westerosi myths and legends that nobody really knows how true they might be. On the other hand, the show runners on GoT got ahead of the books last season, and it was arguably the worst season of the show. I think part of that is because they didn’t have Martin’s writings to fall back on… so, I am worried that they’ll find a way to fuck this up.

I lost all faith in the GoT show runners when they tried to make Confederate. The whole idea is so gross, that even HBO backing out doesn’t salvage anybody’s reputation.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:33:47pm

re: #39 Patricia Kayden

Notice that Trump’s American critics are his enemies? It’s an “us versus them” mentality which is the opposite of what a President should be encouraging. I don’t recall any other President doing this except perhaps Nixon.

Well Spiro Agnew did call us “nattering nabobs of negativitsm”, but William Safire wrote that line for him.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:35:05pm

re: #55 Skip Intro

Well Spiro Agnew did call us “nattering nabobs of negativitsm”, but William Safire wrote that line for him.

I liked “vicars of vacillation”, myself.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:35:54pm

re: #53 JordanRules

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It was a Chinese proverb she picked up in one of the stores specializing in counterfeit goods. Like her own.

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petesh  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:35:54pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

I quit smoking about a few years ago, and then I quit drinking…all with an eye on the fact that I’m getting on in years and trying to live healthy so maybe I’ll get a few more years.

Now I’m kinda wondering if the tradeoff was worth it.

As an ex-smoker who loved it, I am thinking of emulating Lenny Cohen (may he rest in peace), who said he’d take it up again in his 80s. And was photographed smoking on his 80th birthday. Keith Richard has suggest smack for those in their 80s but I don’t think I’ll go that route. Oh, I shall be 70 next birthday, but it’s quite a long way off. Weed and scotch should get me that far, and overall I’m pretty healthy. Still miss smoking, though.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:37:08pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:37:34pm
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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:38:06pm

The thing is, I think we could recover from this crap trump and the GOP is pulling, but it’s going to require a whole lot of people to remove the plank from their own eye first.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:40:15pm
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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:40:56pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

I quit smoking about a few years ago, and then I quit drinking…all with an eye on the fact that I’m getting on in years and trying to live healthy so maybe I’ll get a few more years.

Now I’m kinda wondering if the tradeoff was worth it.

I’m still smoking and drinking (and I’m older than you, child) and feeling pretty good, all things considered.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:42:15pm

I’m in Canada now.

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makeitstop  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:42:45pm

re: #39 Patricia Kayden

Notice that Trump’s American critics are his enemies? It’s an “us versus them” mentality which is the opposite of what a President should be encouraging. I don’t recall any other President doing this except perhaps Nixon.

Nixon kept his ranting about enemies private, while letting Agnew attack them in public for him while he stayed ‘above the fray.’

As paranoid as Tricky Dick was, he did try to keep up the appearance of being president of all Americans. Trump can’t even be bothered to fake it.

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:43:08pm

re: #61 Belafon

I had never registered as a Democrat until 2010. I did that then because I saw after a couple of years of Obama as President that the Republican party was outright supporting bigotry in their asinine attacks on the Obamas. I had stopped voting for Republicans after Schwarzenegger’s last election anyway.

Anyway, I think I agree with you, but I don’t know how long it will take for enough young people to finally engage themselves and really turn over the current way of doing things.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:43:19pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

I’m in Canada now.

No need to rub our noses in it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:43:22pm

THEY ARE ROBBING THE COUNTRY BLIND

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:43:24pm

Remember when Obama raised his fist like that and the right said it was a terrorist hand signal? Yeah. I sure do.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:43:31pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

Enjoy your visit!!

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:43:40pm

Wonder what his wife thinks. Teeheehee

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:43:48pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

The tragedy of this promotion is that a whole lot of folks won’t comprehend the “token” styled logo

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KGxvi  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:43:55pm

re: #54 sagehen

I lost all faith in the GoT show runners when they tried to make Confederate. The whole idea is so gross, that even HBO backing out doesn’t salvage anybody’s reputation.

Based on their handling of the last season of GoT, I don’t think that Benioff and Weiss are good enough to write a story like Confederate. There are plenty of those types of alternate history stories, and there could be some potential there, but that takes a level of world building that few writers can muster (for example, fun questions to consider: what happens when WWI breaks out, do the US and the CS enter the war? If so, on which side? If they’re opposed does that mean more fighting in North America? Does WWI in this new timeline lead to WWII like it did in ours?).

I’m also skeptical of the final season of GoT for the same reasons.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:44:12pm

My son got picked up for soccer team playing in a national tourney in Colorado and I was like, “I can’t fucking afford…wait, there’s weed….”

Of course, even if we go I can’t be getting high as far as anybody knows.

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:44:23pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

I quit smoking about a few years ago, and then I quit drinking…all with an eye on the fact that I’m getting on in years and trying to live healthy so maybe I’ll get a few more years.

Now I’m kinda wondering if the tradeoff was worth it.

I never smoked, and don’t have more than a drink a day, but I would consider upping the drink to two rather than quitting it! It takes something to get the shoulders and neck to unclench at the end of a day of DesTruction.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:44:25pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

Isn’t that illegal? I know Trump is above the law but that is ridiculous.

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:44:26pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

I’m in Canada now.

Tell them I’m sorry.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:45:26pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

I’m in Canada now.

I wouldn’t come back if I were you.

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:45:27pm

re: #57 Barefoot Grin

It was a Chinese proverb she picked up in one of the stores specializing in counterfeit goods. Like her own.

Fortune cookie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:45:52pm

re: #58 petesh

As an ex-smoker who loved it, I am thinking of emulating Lenny Cohen (may he rest in peace), who said he’d take it up again in his 80s. And was photographed smoking on his 80th birthday. Keith Richard has suggest smack for those in their 80s but I don’t think I’ll go that route. Oh, I shall be 70 next birthday, but it’s quite a long way off. Weed and scotch should get me that far, and overall I’m pretty healthy. Still miss smoking, though.

I don’t miss the smoking at all.

My Scotch, however…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:46:03pm
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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:46:25pm

Here’s a good article on the whole (pun not intended) milk thing:

theguardian.com

I like Canada’s model of supply control rather than subsidies.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:47:32pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The tragedy of this promotion is that a whole lot of folks won’t comprehend the “token” styled logo

In case anyone want’s to order ‘Pizza Rats” gear

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:47:42pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

I’m in Canada now.

Can you get all of us in?

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retired cynic  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:49:16pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t miss the smoking at all.

My Scotch, however…

Bourbon.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:49:51pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t miss the smoking at all.

My Scotch, however…

Cabernet.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:50:02pm

This is Jimmy. My brother and sister-in-law belong to him.
He is named for me and has obviously picked up some of my habits:

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:50:22pm
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jaunte  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:50:35pm

re: #62 JordanRules

New: The president’s lawyers have entered joint defense agreements with a number of the people embroiled in the Mueller probe

Seems like a conspiratorial move all by itself.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:51:28pm

re: #83 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

In case anyone want’s to order ‘Pizza Rats” gear

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I pray you’ve placed your order.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:52:01pm

Starting to haze up around here. Starting tomorrow the San Juan National Forest in southwest Colorado will be closed to the public, for the first time in its history. No rain in sight.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:54:08pm
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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:54:09pm

re: #53 JordanRules

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“Those who say it can not be done, should not interrupt those doing it.” -Chinese Proverb

Hey, Vanky—
It sounds more like the old L&M cigarette jingle—
“They said it couldn’t be done, they said nobody could do it—but L&M is low in tar with more taste to it.” (and we all know how that worked out)

Complete with Marshall Dillon and Miss Kitty

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:56:04pm

re: #93 BeachDem

“Those who say it can not be done, should not interrupt those doing it.” -Chinese Proverb

Hey, Vanky—
It sounds more like the old L&M cigarette jingle—
“They said it couldn’t be done, they said nobody could do it—but L&M is low in tar with more taste to it.” (and we all know how that worked out)

Complete with Marshall Dillon and Miss Kitty

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Make America Great Again: when you could smoke and not get cancer!

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mmmirele  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:56:31pm

re: #69 GlutenFreeJesus

Remember when Obama raised his fist like that and the right said it was a terrorist hand signal? Yeah. I sure do.

“Terrorist fist bump” in the summer of 2008. It was so ridiculous.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:58:28pm
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 4:59:35pm

Oh a bunch of our guys forgot meetings with a Russian ambassador too!

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jaunte  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:00:45pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:00:50pm

re: #95 mmmirele

“Terrorist fist bump” in the summer of 2008. It was so ridiculous.

That’s the day I turned Fox off forever. Never viewed that garbage again.

Fox Smear - “Terrorist Fist Jab”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:03:12pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

I quit smoking about a few years ago, and then I quit drinking…all with an eye on the fact that I’m getting on in years and trying to live healthy so maybe I’ll get a few more years.

Now I’m kinda wondering if the tradeoff was worth it.

Personally, I’m feeling optimistic right now. I think in January 2021 Democrats will have unified control of the federal government, and Trump’s policies can be reversed just as quickly as he has reversed Obama’s policies. Sure, the next 2 1/2 years will suck, but we can look forward to lots of Trump cronies getting indicted and GOP popularity plummeting as Trump pardons them and Republicans turn on each other like rats in a potato sack.

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jaunte  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:04:31pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:05:13pm

re: #101 jaunte

Trump would just rip them up anyway. Why bother?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:06:26pm

JFC

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:07:56pm

I… just… I mean…

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:10:33pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:11:11pm

re: #66 freetoken

I had never registered as a Democrat until 2010. I did that then because I saw after a couple of years of Obama as President that the Republican party was outright supporting bigotry in their asinine attacks on the Obamas. I had stopped voting for Republicans after Schwarzenegger’s last election anyway.

Anyway, I think I agree with you, but I don’t know how long it will take for enough young people to finally engage themselves and really turn over the current way of doing things.

I think Trump is energizing them. The tricky part will be getting them to vote in 2022 and beyond.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:11:58pm

re: #102 Skip Intro

Trump would just rip them up anyway. Why bother?

Because somebody will have to tape them back together

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:13:16pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:14:02pm

re: #73 KGxvi

Based on their handling of the last season of GoT, I don’t think that Benioff and Weiss are good enough to write a story like Confederate. There are plenty of those types of alternate history stories, and there could be some potential there, but that takes a level of world building that few writers can muster (for example, fun questions to consider: what happens when WWI breaks out, do the US and the CS enter the war? If so, on which side? If they’re opposed does that mean more fighting in North America? Does WWI in this new timeline lead to WWII like it did in ours?).

I’m also skeptical of the final season of GoT for the same reasons.

Harry Turtledove did it with a Hitler like Confederate rising to power.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:16:06pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:16:54pm

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:17:54pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:18:47pm

Fuckin’ fuck.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:19:32pm

re: #101 jaunte

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He had a whole ass meeting with Putin that we still have no idea what happened in.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:21:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:21:22pm

re: #112 Single-handed sailor

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So this is a wrestling match between Kim and Trump right? //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:23:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:24:38pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:25:00pm

re: #113 teleskiguy

Drowned in a swimming pool at a pool party. ☹️

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:25:29pm

re: #109 Big Beautiful Door

Harry Turtledove did it with a Hitler like Confederate rising to power.

This show was always a big fat ass hell no!

“The Problem With HBO’s Confederate Is That the Legacy of Slavery Isn’t an Alt-History Fantasy, It’s Our Reality”

io9.gizmodo.com

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Winston_Smith  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:27:07pm

So it sounds like Trump will be stopping over in Oahu to plug his Honolulu hotel on his way back.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:27:15pm

re: #100 Big Beautiful Door

Assuming the election process isn’t completely stymied by GOP fraud, voter intimidation, or foreign interference, I’m cautiously optimistic going forward.

This is kind of long, so feel free to ignore it, but I think there was a real sea change in presidential elections in 1992. Let’s look at elections since WWII:

Truman, wartime president, beat the Axis, barely pulls out a squeaker against an absolute nonentity.

Then there’s Eisenhower. To be fair, he would have won running in either party and they both courted him.

John Kennedy—young, charismatic—barely wins over the near-universally despised “Tricky Dicky” Nixon.

Johnson landslide—due to sympathy at JFK’s assassination and the unprecedentedly radical GOP candidate.

“Tricky Dicky” handily beats sitting VP.

Nixon landslide.

Carter beats Ford—IMO, solely because of the Nixon pardon.

Reagan beats Carter.

Reagan landslide.

Bush beats Dukakis.

So from 1948 to 1988, it seems to take very special circumstances for a Democrat to win.

!992—Bill Clinton wins. Some say that was due to Hross Pea-Row, but that’s baloney. The status quo was running, anybody who wanted the status quo could have voted for it. Without Pea-Row the margin would have been even better.

Clinton handily reelected.

Bush loses by half a million votes, requires Electoral jiggery-pokery and a bought-and-paid-for Supreme court to be installed.

Bush—a “wartime president”—is reelected by an amazingly small margin, and only election fraud in Ohio prevented Kerry from winning an Electoral victory from 3 million votes behind, like tRump.

Obama trounces McCain.

Obama handily reelected.

tRump loses election by 3 million votes, installed in the White House by Electoral jiggery-pokery and Russian interference.

So am I wrong, or doesn’t it look like from 1992 to date, it requires special circumstances for a Republican to be elected, in contrast to 1948-88?

I remain cautiously optimistic about 2020, while realizing all sorts of election fraud, voter intimidation, and foreign interference can still happen.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:27:17pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

So this is a wrestling match between Kim and Trump right? //

This is really disturbing — we have no way to know what is being discussed, how compromised Trump is and what type of confidential information he may be passing on to his Russian overlords. Of course, any real agreement would be in writing. I assume that the Chinese and Russians have bugged the room.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:28:20pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Assuming the election process isn’t completely stymied by GOP fraud, voter intimidation, or foreign interference, I’m cautiously optimistic going forward.

Those are HUGE assumptions.

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jaunte  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:29:21pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:29:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:29:39pm

re: #124 Hecuba’s daughter

This is really disturbing — we have no way to know what is being discussed, how compromised Trump is and what type of confidential information he may be passing on to his Russian overlords. Of course, any real agreement would be in writing. I assume that the Chinese and Russians have bugged the room.

I know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:30:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:31:11pm

You know what frustrates me is it seems the holier than thou types haven’t learned a damned thing. Bitching about Perez’s decision to gasp make sure the nominee is a member of their party. But TBH I’m not worried about merely beating Trump, I want to defeat Trumpism. I want a huge mandate that we can create something so the roots of what we’ve seen the past few years never happen again.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:31:38pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He who denies the first cake will not get seconds.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:33:25pm

So Sessions decided spousal abuse isn’t a reason to get asylum anymore. Remember that the next time a conservative crocodile tears you about how awful Muslims are to women and that’s why we should hate Muslims when these assholes won’t even let battered spouses to apply for asylum.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:36:37pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Assuming the election process isn’t completely stymied by GOP fraud, voter intimidation, or foreign interference, I’m cautiously optimistic going forward.

This is kind of long, so feel free to ignore it, but I think there was a real sea change in presidential elections in 1992. Let’s look at elections since WWII:

“Tricky Dicky” handily beats sitting VP.

Nixon landslide.

Carter beats Ford—IMO, solely because of the Nixon pardon.

Reagan beats Carter.

Reagan landslide.

Bush beats Dukakis.

So from 1948 to 1988, it seems to take very special circumstances for a Democrat to win.

!992—Bill Clinton wins. Some say that was due to Hross Pea-Row, but that’s baloney. The status quo was running, anybody who wanted the status quo could have voted for it. Without Pea-Row the margin would have been even better.

Clinton handily reelected.

Bush loses by half a million votes, requires Electoral jiggery-pokery and a bought-and-paid-for Supreme court to be installed.

Bush—a “wartime president”—is reelected by an amazingly small margin, and only election fraud in Ohio prevented Kerry from winning an Electoral victory from 3 million votes behind, like tRump.

Obama trounces McCain.

Obama handily reelected.

tRump loses election by 3 million votes, installed in the White House by Electoral jiggery-pokery and Russian interference.

So am I wrong, or doesn’t it look like from 1992 to date, it requires special circumstances for a Republican to be elected, in contrast to 1948-88?

I remain cautiously optimistic about 2020, while realizing all sorts of election fraud, voter intimidation, and foreign interference can still happen.

Ford may have have lost because he blew a question during a debate.

As to future contests, especially given the outrageous SC decision of today, there may be increasingly lopsided popular election victories for D but EC victories for R. Every contested state run by the GOP will be purging voter rolls. In 2000, one factor that helped Bush in Florida was such a purge, plus the widely condemned butterfly ballot which led to at least 2000 votes miscast for Buchanan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:36:53pm

either do your freaking job or shut up, Rand

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:37:19pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

Drowned in a swimming pool at a pool party. ☹️

I always worry when I see a crowded pool.

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:37:31pm

re: #106 Big Beautiful Door

I think Trump is energizing them. The tricky part will be getting them to vote in 2022 and beyond.

I think what will get them to vote is people to vote for. I’m hoping that we keep getting people to run for office.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:37:32pm

re: #121 JordanRules

This show was always a big fat ass hell no!

“The Problem With HBO’s Confederate Is That the Legacy of Slavery Isn’t an Alt-History Fantasy, It’s Our Reality”

io9.gizmodo.com

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:38:11pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:39:23pm

Cokehead Kudlow just had a heart attack. Serving in this administration will drive you to snorting heavy amounts of blow.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:39:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:40:07pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

either do your freaking job or shut up, Rand

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You have no credibility Rand, shut up.

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:40:21pm

re: #139 Ace Rothstein

Cokehead Kudlow just had a heart attack.

Thoughts and Prayers yada, yada, yada……

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scottslemmons  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:41:18pm

re: #139 Ace Rothstein

Cokehead Kudlow just had a heart attack.

(pours cold drink)
(drinks it slowly and with great pleasure)
(sighs contentedly)
(goes off to play Overwatch)

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:41:38pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:42:04pm

re: #142 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

Why is it necessary for him to mention working?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:42:19pm

re: #140 JordanRules

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I doubt he was actually 130 years old when he died but this man lived an amazing life certainly. The last confirmed Civil War vet died in my Dad’s lifetime so I’m not too surprised that the last slave died not long before I was born. We had people who had survived lynchings present for the formal apology for lynching that Congress passed- the only decent thing George Allen ever did in office.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:42:56pm

re: #142 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

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Thoughts and Prayers yada, yada, yada……

Our great Larry Kudlow sounds like “Glorious Comrade Molotov” Just saying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:43:13pm

re: #139 Ace Rothstein

Cokehead Kudlow just had a heart attack. Serving in this administration will drive you to snorting heavy amounts of blow.

first casualty of the Canadian trade war…

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:43:19pm

re: #136 Belafon

I think what will get them to vote is people to vote for. I’m hoping that we keep getting people to run for office.

It is great how terrific women are running and winning this year. I’m looking forward to a Congress next year with a lot of energized, progressive women setting the agenda.

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:43:57pm

re: #145 Ace Rothstein

Why is it necessary for him to mention working?

Because he wasn’t working. Good time to slip that lie in.

I blame Canada for his heart attack and that evil back-stabbing Trudeau!!!

//

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:44:51pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

first casualty of the Canadian trade war…

I thought it was so easy to win.

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:45:03pm

re: #139 Ace Rothstein

Cokehead Kudlow just had a heart attack.

Nah, there’s a coup going on…….Kudlow is the first not to be coming back but no to fear because Pence is in charge!!!

//

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Stanley Sea  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:45:05pm

re: #113 teleskiguy

I hate to ask, how?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:45:17pm

re: #144 JordanRules

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Well neither his father or grandfather were gifted with Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:45:54pm
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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:47:56pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

first casualty of the Canadian trade war…

Just another Clinton dirty deed—he was probably about to expose the tax ramifications and trade deficit created by the international pedophile trafficking ring. (Alex Jones will discuss it later…)

///

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:48:04pm

Tomorrow is primary day here in Va and I’ll be voting for Lindsay Davis Stover. We have a lot of great candidates here in VA-10 but I went with Lindsay for this reason- I think as a former Congressional chief of staff, she ahs the best understanding of how Congress works, she’s fairly young and energetic, she’s passionate about her key causes and has gotten results- she was part of a task force that helped get woman vets full access to VA treatment and her own story is an example of that. So I think with her, VA-10 will get a progressive who is kind, pragmatic, and willing to stand up for our principles and actually represent us unlike Comstock but I plan to vote for whoever the nominee is and campaign for them.

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nines09  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:48:08pm

re: #139 Ace Rothstein

Cokehead Kudlow just had a heart attack. Serving in this administration will drive you to snorting heavy amounts of blow.

If you saw him yesterday and have ever been around heavy coke users you know how.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:48:45pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Uh no guys, it’s nothing like that. Stop normalizing this shit and actually call him out instead of acting like it’s no big deal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:49:33pm

Crying out this is “our house,” about 100 members of an anti-poverty group were stopped at the front doors of the Kentucky Capitol Monday afternoon for the second time this month and were told by police only two at a time could enter.

Two leaders of The Poor People’s Campaign who did enter the august seat of state government made it to the front door of Republican Gov. Matt Bevin’s office but found its entrance cordoned off with a blue rope and a state trooper. After a few minutes, the door was shut.

Pam McMichael of Louisville and Tayna Fogle of Lexington protested the lack of access and left after giving office staff a lengthy petition of grievances involving wages, union rights, public housing and affordable education. “We will be back,” said Fogle.

For five straight Mondays, the Poor People’s Campaign has been at the state Capitol to address what it says is inequality for poor people. Its efforts seem to be growing in intensity as the standoffs with police remain peaceful.

Kentucky State Police Commissioner Richard W. Sanders, in a June 8 reply to Democratic state Reps. George Brown Jr. of Lexington and Attica Scott of Louisville on why the protesters were blocked from entering the Capitol, said the policy was based on “prior unlawful acts” by members of the group and not the group’s message.

sigh…

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:49:55pm

re: #153 Stanley Sea

I hate to ask, how?

#120

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:51:39pm

Well that’s a relief. This fire is about 20 miles to the east of me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:52:00pm

re: #161 teleskiguy

#120

Goddamn that’s awful. I’ve really developed protective feelings for little kids since my niece was born. It’s part of why thinking about Sandy Hook and the inaction on that and the Alex Jones bullshit pisess me off so.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:53:11pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:53:22pm

re: #124 Hecuba’s daughter

This is really disturbing — we have no way to know what is being discussed, how compromised Trump is and what type of confidential information he may be passing on to his Russian overlords. Of course, any real agreement would be in writing. I assume that the Chinese and Russians have bugged the room.

Cheer up. I’m sure we have too.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:54:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:54:48pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And? Bill, your side was full of people and I’m pretty sure you were among them that would prefer that Putin be our President than Obama. But yeah so awful that we’d rather have Trudeau than Trump. Shut the fuck up and go back under your rock.

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:55:29pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Tomorrow is primary day here in Va and I’ll be voting for Lindsay Davis Stover. We have a lot of great candidates here in VA-10 but I went with Lindsay for this reason- I think as a former Congressional chief of staff, she ahs the best understanding of how Congress works, she’s fairly young and energetic, she’s passionate about her key causes and has gotten results- she was part of a task force that helped get woman vets full access to VA treatment and her own story is an example of that. So I think with her, VA-10 will get a progressive who is kind, pragmatic, and willing to stand up for our principles and actually represent us unlike Comstock but I plan to vote for whoever the nominee is and campaign for them.

Primary day here tomorrow as well. (Perhaps my phone will stop ringing 24/7. I’m with James Smith/Mandy Powers Norrell for Gov/Lt. Gov, and Bill Hopkins for our house seat, SC-7. In the dem gov primary, the other two are loons (I posted their squabbling about the word fetus last night, when Mandy had to move her chair back to stay out of the line of fire.)

No women in our House primary, but Hopkins is a good guy, and I think might actually make the general a contest (his main challenger ran last time and lost by 22 points, and I haven’t seen anything to make me think he’ll do better this time.)

It’s probably all for naught, but I’d like the primaries to be over and no runoffs, so I can start working on the general throwing my money down the general rathole. Not that I won’t work hard for our candidates, but hey, it’s South Carolina. Sigh.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:55:53pm

OOPS!

Larry did too many toots!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:56:00pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:56:20pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Explain to me how that’s a bad thing.

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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:57:05pm

re: #143 scottslemmons

(pours cold drink)
(drinks it slowly and with great pleasure)
(sighs contentedly)
(goes off to play Overwatch)

check
check
check
huh? (old and don’t play video games)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:59:25pm
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 5:59:26pm

Wow.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:00:19pm

LOL Trump looks like he just took a shit in his diaper.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:00:32pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Already off to a great start.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:01:19pm

re: #175 Ace Rothstein

LOL Trump looks like he just took a shit in his diaper.

Kim brings a porta potty

Tweetler brought a stack of Depends.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:01:48pm
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sagehen  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:02:07pm

re: #123 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Carter beats Ford—IMO, solely because of the Nixon pardon.

Ford would have won, narrowly, if not for a DISASTROUS answer to a debate question.

Carter-Ford Oct. 6, 1976 Debate - “No Soviet Domination”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:02:42pm
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:04:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:05:42pm

now we know…

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:06:18pm

Disgusting

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Jay C  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:06:53pm

re: #166 JordanRules

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I heard on the Nitely News that North Korean media had only informed the populace either yesterday or today exactly where Big Fucking Leader was attending the summit - so obviously they can do the up-to-date/breaking news thing when they want to.

Though I’m guessing the news handling is mainly intended for the ROW: the North Koreans (AFAIK) have few/no “outside” sources for any sort of information whatsoever, so they’re a “captive audience” - literally - in any case.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:06:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:07:28pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:08:04pm

Some redneck says “hold my beer” and we think Darwin. I see Donald Trump and I think the Drake equation is in play. Some alien will notice our radio signals end suddenly on the audio of Trump explaining how great the summit went.

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:08:19pm

Jeez. They certainly share a common girth. YOOGE

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:08:22pm
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ipsos  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:08:26pm

So the Ohio voter case went against us.

If the government isn’t going to do its job (for now) of ensuring every citizen’s right to vote, it’s up to us. Democrats and our allies need to make sure our voters are returning those postcards and staying registered. Turn their process against them, HARD.

Flood the zone with new registrations. And then keep getting them in the habit of crawling over broken glass to vote. Every time.

If their system is designed to reward regular voting, overwhelm it with OUR regular voters.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:09:48pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

now we know…

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Not surprised. He’s a shitty Senator so why wouldn’t he be a shitty neighbor too.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:10:18pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:11:16pm

I knew it. Trump pussed out with the handshake. Look at him fawning over Un.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:11:44pm
The biggest threat to the Pyongyang leadership caste is their vast, bulky, and expensive conventional army. Not only is it bankrupting the nation, but at any moment, an uprising at one base could rapidly spread, turning Kim’s military into an instant, deadly danger to the regime. While others point to historical examples like Libya and Iraq, the best parallel is the brutal Romanian-communist dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu, who was overthrown in an almost instantaneous popular revolt, spearheaded by countless junior officers.

For reasons of both economic and personal survival, Kim desperately needs a smaller army.

In contrast, nuclear weapons - once you have them - are cheap to hold, to hide and to maintain.

Kim’s current dilemma has only one solution, then. Keep enough nukes to deter any adventurous notions on our side… and hold onto those artillery tubes threatening Seoul… then entice both South Koreans and Americans to shout hosannahs over a “deal” to slash their own forces below the DMZ. Forces they can easily afford and that pose them zero risk.

Let’s be clear: any conventional draw-down is Kim’s chief aim, his win-win.

More: Predicting the Korea “deal.” Kim gets everything he wants. | Contrary Brin

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:12:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:12:24pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

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Oh good God.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:13:02pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:13:38pm

re: #190 ipsos

So the Ohio voter case went against us.

If the government isn’t going to do its job (for now) of ensuring every citizen’s right to vote, it’s up to us. Democrats and our allies need to make sure our voters are returning those postcards and staying registered. Turn their process against them, HARD.

Flood the zone with new registrations. And then keep getting them in the habit of crawling over broken glass to vote. Every time.

If their system is designed to reward regular voting, overwhelm it with OUR regular voters.

Dems need to flood Ohio with registration drives. (and every other state, obviously)

If they don’t……………………..

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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:13:38pm

re: #181 JordanRules

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Trump hasn’t elevated North Korea to America’s stature… he’s lowered America’s stature.

He’s done both

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:13:45pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well it’s easy to see why Trump likes him. Trump dreams of having the power Kim does.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:14:11pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Not surprised. He’s a shitty Senator so why wouldn’t he be a shitty neighbor too.

Hey, the Free Market™ can handle anything. Just keep buying houses until you get a neighbor who doesn’t crap up your yard. That should be your only recourse.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:15:05pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:15:41pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Trump wants to be just like him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:16:00pm

re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:16:19pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

More: Predicting the Korea “deal.” Kim gets everything he wants. | Contrary Brin

David Brin is a national treasure. I wish to hell he was president.

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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:17:16pm

re: #190 ipsos

So the Ohio voter case went against us.

If the government isn’t going to do its job (for now) of ensuring every citizen’s right to vote, it’s up to us. Democrats and our allies need to make sure our voters are returning those postcards and staying registered. Turn their process against them, HARD.

Flood the zone with new registrations. And then keep getting them in the habit of crawling over broken glass to vote. Every time.

If their system is designed to reward regular voting, overwhelm it with OUR regular voters
.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:17:28pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

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And that’s what infuriates me the most about the man. He’ll trash allies and then flash that stupid smile with Kim.

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:18:02pm

So I take a break and listen to my voicemail and the first voice I hear is the fucking yam robocalling for Henry McMaster. I give up.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:18:20pm

re: #204 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That fucking thing he does with his hands. So creepy.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:19:01pm

re: #204 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

He’s sitting down doing his pussy signal with his hands again.

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bratwurst  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:19:54pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:20:51pm

OK, gotta put this one behind the curtain

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:21:11pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:21:48pm
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dangerman  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:21:50pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Well it’s easy to see why Trump likes him. Trump dreams of having the power Kim does.

He had so much more
Now he’s just trading down

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:22:22pm

I can’t take it. Going to go watch some Kimmy Schmidt. At least her world makes sense. Ugh. I hate the yam more than I thought was even possible.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:22:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:23:00pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:24:46pm

re: #216 BeachDem

I can’t take it. Going to go watch some Kimmy Schmidt. At least her world makes sense. Ugh. I hate the yam more than I thought was even possible.

I’ve been watching ‘Highway Thru Hell’ on the Weather Channel

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BeachDem  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:25:14pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

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I prefer drunk history. And I’m on my way..?

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nines09  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:25:39pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep. Rand is a jerkoff. I would have moved the pile a bit closer to Rand’s house. Waited for favorable winds. And add some oil to the gas I poured on it.
And throw a flare.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:26:08pm

re: #216 BeachDem

I can’t take it. Going to go watch some Kimmy Schmidt. At least her world makes sense. Ugh. I hate the yam more than I thought was even possible.

I spent the Reagan years saying: “Man, I thought I hated Nixon!” Then I spent the Bush II years saying: “Man, I thought I hated Reagan!” Now I’m maxed out. My head is going to explode soon….

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:26:41pm

re: #188 BeachDem

Jeez. They certainly share a common girth. YOOGE

The side view made it look like Trump is AT LEAST 3 bills. Oh, and button your fucking jacket, you slob.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:27:26pm

I know you folks need a food break.

May I present from Pittsburgh the famous Isaly’s Chip Chopped Ham and BBQ sauce?

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:27:42pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:27:42pm
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Jay C  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:28:12pm

re: #194 teleskiguy

More: Predicting the Korea “deal.” Kim gets everything he wants. | Contrary Brin

For reasons of both economic and personal survival, Kim desperately needs a smaller army.

I’m not so sure about the “personal survival” bit, though: the NoKo regime has managed to keep itself in power for 70+ years thanks in no small part to that oversize military - and Fat Kim’s father and grandfather were leaders of a country that was pretty much a rogue nation (outside of the old Communist bloc). I can’t see the Nork military turning (yet) on a Leader who has managed - thanks to a semi-viable nuclear-arms program and Donald Trump’s idiot ego - to make the former pariah-state a (semi-)serious player on the world stage, and will probably end up successfully extorting billions of dollars and tons of prestige for the DPRK as a result.

Ceausescu got invited to a target shoot for basically running his country’s economy into the ground. And since “run into the ground” would probably be an upgrade for North Korea as it stands, it’s hard to see KJU suffering for improving things.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:28:45pm

Alouette!!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:28:52pm

re: #223 Ace Rothstein

The side view made it look like Trump is AT LEAST 3 bills. Oh, and button your fucking jacket, you slob.

He doesn’t button his jacket because then those long ties sticking out below would look even weirder.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:29:34pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Remember when we were told we shouldn’t even talk to Iran but somehow this is okay.

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:29:36pm

1st photo of Trump leaving his meeting with Kim:

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:29:53pm
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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:29:59pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Remember when we were told we shouldn’t even talk to Iran but somehow this is okay.

or Cuba

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:30:10pm

re: #231 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

1st photo of Trump leaving his meeting with Kim:

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Not fair to Neville.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:30:27pm

re: #233 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

or Cuba

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:30:38pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:30:40pm

re: #135 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I always worry when I see a crowded pool.

Assuming that someone in the crowd will notice if you are in trouble can be a deadly error. I speak from experience.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:30:41pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Remember when we were told we shouldn’t even talk to Iran but somehow this is okay.

Geez. I forgot about the Iran dynamic. What a mess we are making all over the damn globe.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:31:26pm

re: #228 teleskiguy

Alouette!!!

That’s also a great price.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:31:28pm

re: #238 JordanRules

Geez. I forgot about the Iran dynamic. What a mess we are making all over the damn globe.

Yeah when candidate Obama talked about dialogue, he got called Chamberlain for that. Trump meets with Kim and suddenly they want to give him the fucking Nobel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:31:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:32:54pm
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freetoken  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:33:42pm

All the people watching the parade, in the picture, below, also witnessed a historic meeting.

It didn’t go well for them.

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nines09  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:34:09pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:34:26pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Yeah when candidate Obama talked about dialogue, he got called Chamberlain for that. Trump meets with Kim and suddenly they want to give him the fucking Nobel.

I hope the Nobel folks give the Peace Prize to Obama again this year…….just to screw Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:35:38pm

re: #245 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

I hope the Nobel folks give the Peace Prize to Obama again this year…….just to screw Trump.

To Barack Obama, simply for being an American President not named Donald Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:36:18pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:37:05pm

Slovenly fucking sacks of lard. At least Kim has properly pressed trousers. I bet Fuckface Von Clownstick really misses Hope Hicks.

Has Hopey been interviewed by Special Counsel Mueller?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:37:50pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:38:25pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

To Barack Obama, simply for being an American President not named Donald Trump.

To Hillary Clinton for laying the groundwork for the Iran deal. Won’t happen, but I’d give anything in the world to see it happen—and the tRumporrhoids’ reaction.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:39:42pm

potcoin•com? I don’t want to know.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:40:10pm

re: #227 Jay C

I’m not so sure about the “personal survival” bit, though: the NoKo regime has managed to keep itself in power for 70+ years thanks in no small part to that oversize military - and Fat Kim’s father and grandfather were leaders of a country that was pretty much a rogue nation (outside of the old Communist bloc). I can’t see the Nork military turning (yet) on a Leader who has managed - thanks to a semi-viable nuclear-arms program and Donald Trump’s idiot ego - to make the former pariah-state a (semi-)serious player on the world stage, and will probably end up successfully extorting billions of dollars and tons of prestige for the DPRK as a result.

Ceausescu got invited to a target shoot for basically running his country’s economy into the ground. And since “run into the ground” would probably be an upgrade for North Korea as it stands, it’s hard to see KJU suffering for improving things.

He already has improved things dramatically. Un has presided over the single greatest increase in North Korean standard of living in at least 60 years. Like Putin he benefits from a relatively recent low reference point, the famine of the 1990’s. He’s incredibly intelligent, focused and driven. He purposely studied and emulated the dynamic speaking style of his grandfather, which allowed him to distinguish himself early on from his father who apparently had a stutter and was rarely ever heard. He’s deeply loved by the people, and yes this is the result of decades of systemic brainwashing, but it also means the military absolutely needs Un as much as he needs them to hold onto power.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:40:20pm

re: #250 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

To Hillary Clinton for laying the groundwork for the Iran deal. Won’t happen, but I’d give anything in the world to see it happen—and the tRumporrhoids’ reaction.

I say give it to Justin Trudeau.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:40:33pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

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potcoin•com? I don’t want to know.

That’s who is paying for Rodman’s Singapore vacay.

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:42:38pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

I doubt Kim has decided NK doesn’t need it’s nukes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:43:22pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:43:49pm
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:46:01pm
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:46:59pm

Halp!!!

America what are you doing????

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:47:33pm

Here’s what I think is going to happen: Trump is going to promise something that everyone else on the planet will know is a bad thing. When he’s finally convinced that it’s wrong, he’ll get on Twitter and blame Kim. By then, Kim will have won everything he wanted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:48:08pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:48:25pm
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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:49:01pm

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

I like the caption: Kim Jong Un underway.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:49:48pm

re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s Rubio for you Soledad. Don’t forget battered immigrants trying to get refugee status too. Rubio disgraces his immigrant parents every day he serves in office.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:49:59pm

re: #243 freetoken

All the people watching the parade, in the picture, below, also witnessed a historic meeting.

It didn’t go well for them.

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This meeting went better…

the great dictator (chaplin1940) - benzino napaloni arrives

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:50:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:51:59pm

Un has already gotten everything he wanted, a photo op showing him on equal footing with the President of the US, the NK & US flags displayed side by side, and the international legitimacy that goes with all that.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:52:01pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:52:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:53:05pm
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nines09  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:53:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:53:47pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:53:53pm

Getting the House to approve seems unlikely to me

“… The president’s deal with ZTE would have forced the company to pay a $1 billion penalty, reorganize its company and allow U.S. compliance officers in exchange for being able to sell its products inside the U.S.

But the bipartisan senate amendment, which has been added to the must-pass National Defense Authorization Act, would essentially kill that agreement by retroactively reinstating financial penalties and continuing the prohibition on ZTE’s ability to sell to the U.S. government. …”

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:53:54pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m glad I can give you the like instead of her.

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nines09  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:55:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:55:30pm
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calochortus  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:55:45pm

re: #252 goddamnedfrank

He already has improved things dramatically. Un has presided over the single greatest increase in North Korean standard of living in at least 60 years. Like Putin he benefits from a relatively recent low reference point, the famine of the 1990’s. He’s incredibly intelligent, focused and driven. He purposely studied and emulated the dynamic speaking style of his grandfather, which allowed him to distinguish himself early on from his father who apparently had a stutter and was rarely ever heard. He’s deeply loved by the people, and yes this is the result of decades of systemic brainwashing, but it also means the military absolutely needs Un as much as he needs them to hold onto power.

He’s also promising that now that their great national sacrifice has gotten them nukes and national security, he will turn his attention to improving their standard of living. Apparently most N. Koreans can no longer afford rice and subsist on various cereal grains. Meat is but a dream, fruits and vegetables are rare. They are aware that the Chinese (and presumably the S. Koreans) can and do eat rice 2 or 3 times a day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:56:17pm

heh

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:57:30pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

Un has already gotten everything he wanted, a photo op showing him on equal footing with the President of the US, the NK & US flags displayed side by side, and the international legitimacy that goes with all that.

And this is just exactly what every administration, of either party, has been at strenuous pains to avoid giving them—for seventy fucking years!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:58:17pm
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gocart mozart  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:59:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 6:59:42pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah well we warned you and you called us snowflakes. How about them apples, Dana?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:00:28pm
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calochortus  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:01:03pm

Why is Rodman opining on international relations?
Why is he crying about it?

Oh, never mind.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:01:06pm

re: #281 gocart mozart

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SHE’S A FREETHINKER!

Apologizes for doing something horrendous

SHE”S BEING CONTROLLED.

Typical Trumpcult.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:01:21pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:01:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:01:51pm

re: #284 calochortus

Why is Rodman opining on international relations?
Why is he crying about it?

Oh, never mind.

Maybe we can get Horace Grant to solve Kashmir next. //

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BlueGrl21  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:03:19pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn it, Dana. I have to agree with you.

Turns my stomach.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:03:33pm

re: #281 gocart mozart

It’s gone beyond twitter now.
This should be amusing

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:04:39pm

I realized as Trump attacked Canada that I actually have some fairly close cousins that reside in Canada since both of my mom’s parents had aunts and uncles that had children and grandchildren that went there. I easily could be a Canadian. Now I’m imagining an alternative Canadian Trump where his mother goes to Canada and marries a nice German-Canadian brewer or chocolatier instead of Fred.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:05:24pm

re: #290 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s gone beyond twitter now.
This should be amusing

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Yeah 14 year old wasn’t complicit in the Holocaust. I’m glad she apologized but none of the other right wingers who have attacked him for years over this will.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:06:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:07:21pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now contrast this to Trudeau. God I hate this feckless wanker.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:08:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:09:20pm

re: #295 Unshaken Defiance

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The word for them is enablers. Every last one of them. You have a R next to your name and you’re in Congress, you enable Trump.

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:10:30pm

re: #295 Unshaken Defiance

He’s breaking the law and they don’t know what to do about it because they haven’t done their actual job in a long time.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:11:35pm

Is he stopping to visit our troops in South Korea?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:11:41pm
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SteelPH  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:11:43pm

re: #297 Belafon

He’s breaking the law and they don’t know what to do about it because they haven’t done their actual job in a long time.

It’s not that they don’t know what to do, it’s that they don’t wanna do it because they condone this idiocy while feigning limp-wristed outrage over it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:12:42pm

re: #298 JordanRules

Is he stopping to visit our troops in South Korea?

He’s probably going to give Kim South Korea.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:13:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:13:25pm

re: #300 SteelPH

It’s not that they don’t know what to do, it’s that they don’t wanna do it because they condone this idiocy while feigning limp-wristed outrage over it.

This isn’t our party they say but their party nominated him, approved his platform, and has people using him as their model. Lemme our it this way, no one not even Mitt Romney is running as a Mitt Romney Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:14:07pm

re: #302 teleskiguy

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So Charlie how salty are Trump’s balls inside your mouth? God dude you’re pathetic.

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Varek Raith  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:15:05pm

re: #302 teleskiguy

If that were Obama…
Ah, fuck it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:15:36pm
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SteelPH  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:15:51pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

This isn’t our party they say but their party nominated him, approved his platform, and has people using him as their model. Lemme our it this way, no one not even Mitt Romney is running as a Mitt Romney Republican.

Well duh, no human being could be so robotic and they’ve since upgraded the RomneyBot’s firmware anyways.
//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:16:26pm

niterz, lizardz…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:16:38pm

Hey, did Chuck C actually show up in Singapore?

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:17:10pm

I’m embarrassed and ashamed to call myself an American. Next time I travel abroad if someone asks I’m going to say I’m Canadian.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:17:10pm

re: #302 teleskiguy

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:17:29pm

re: #307 SteelPH

Well duh, no human being could be so robotic and they’ve since upgraded the RomneyBot’s firmware anyways.
//

Yes, they upgraded The RomneyBot with firmware approved by Tweety Amin!

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:18:23pm

re: #306 teleskiguy

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That Canadian guy tried to treat him as a responsible world leader. The North Korean guy is stroking his ego.

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:19:07pm

Bothsiderism at its finest!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:19:15pm

re: #311 Unshaken Defiance

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Poor Craptain Kirk. Only 1% of his synapses are still firing…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:19:52pm

re: #117 Big Beautiful Door

The Clintons continue to be responsible for the murder of everyone you ever heard of.

Obviously not enough of them…..

ACCCHHH! Unhand me, inspector! It was a joke. A joke!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:20:42pm
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Winston_Smith  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:21:22pm

re: #310 teleskiguy

I’m embarrassed and ashamed to call myself an American. Next time I travel abroad if someone asks I’m going to say I’m Canadian.

The population of Canada just increased by 200 million tonight.

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gocart mozart  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:21:28pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

potcoin•com? I don’t want to know.

World’s first marijuana blockchain currency #potcoin

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Belafon  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:22:33pm

re: #314 teleskiguy

Bothsiderism at it’s finest!

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I find the people in the replies funny who think Kim’s going to give up his nukes.

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:23:37pm

re: #320 Belafon

I find the people in the replies funny who think Kim’s going to give up his nukes.

Aw, c’mon. Who would trust Trump with their national security?
/

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:26:46pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:27:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:28:14pm

re: #323 freetoken

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Just stupid especially because the Obama-Cuba trip was actually planned and not after Obama attacked allies.

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electrotek  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:34:28pm

It is safe to say that Trump is the most anti-Western President we have ever witnessed in history.

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ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:35:34pm

re: #224 Joe Bacon 🌹

I know you folks need a food break.

May I present from Pittsburgh the famous Isaly’s Chip Chopped Ham and BBQ sauce?

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Reminder! Islay’s was not originally from Pittsburgh. It’s famous Chip Chopped ham, Klondike bars and all the other goodies they had in their great little combo ice cream shop and restaurants was from my old hometown in Ohio.

A lot of Pittsburgh folks seem to get that wrong. Went over that with Decatur Deb. Who I still miss.

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SteelPH  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:35:36pm

re: #326 electrotek

It is safe to say that Trump is the most anti-Western President we have ever witnessed in history.

We can’t be rid of these cretins quick enough.

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electrotek  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:40:12pm
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BigPapa  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:41:32pm

re: #327 ObserverArt

Went over that with Decatur Deb. Who I still miss.

What’s up with Decatur Deb?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:41:58pm

re: #328 SteelPH

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:43:12pm

re: #329 electrotek

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The sobs Trump attacks have never been arrested, play the game clean, but they don’t kiss his ass.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:43:21pm

re: #327 ObserverArt

Reminder! Islay’s was not originally from Pittsburgh. It’s famous Chip Chopped ham, Klondike bars and all the other goodies they had in their great little combo ice cream shop and restaurants was from my old hometown in Ohio.

A lot of Pittsburgh folks seem to get that wrong. Went over that with Decatur Deb. Who I still miss.

Art, I remember the Skyscraper cones. And Isaly’s made the best chocolate malts, chocolate marshmallow ice cream and coconut custard pies!

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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:44:58pm

re: #330 BigPapa

What’s up with Decatur Deb?

Extended sabbatical is how I read it.

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ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:45:01pm

re: #330 BigPapa

What’s up with Decatur Deb?

Stopped posting.

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BigPapa  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:45:49pm

Ah, OK. I hope DD is all good.

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:46:12pm

re: #334 teleskiguy

Extended sabbatical is how I read it.

Would have been nice if he had been slightly less cryptic, though.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:46:15pm

I miss DD too!

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:46:43pm

Those following my critique of the Paige Patterson affair, SWBTS, and the SBC, will not be surprised at who is showing up at their gathering this week:

Pence to visit Dallas for speech at Southern Baptist Convention meeting

And this is why I keep harping about SBC issues (from Patterson to Mohler to creationism, etc.)

Trump is not the cause, but the symptom.

The cause is atavistic religious activism.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:48:02pm

re: #338 Joe Bacon 🌹

I miss DD too!

I do too.

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gocart mozart  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:48:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:51:12pm

re: #341 gocart mozart

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Funny when I hear you talk politics, it’s a reminder of why right wing celebrities are usually people like you, bitter and has beens.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:53:19pm

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Years ago I caught this shot, I was ecstatic to catch the lighting with a down burst and the sunset behind me setting the color and light. I just worked it up again with far more modern software and filters. For all that it’s under 500k, might be a nice wallpaper. No watermark for my friends ‘round here.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:55:16pm
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calochortus  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:55:19pm

re: #343 Unshaken Defiance

Great shot!

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plansbandc  Jun 11, 2018 • 7:58:33pm

re: #343 Unshaken Defiance

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:00:18pm

re: #345 calochortus

Thanks. Working on a portfolio that has something from each of the last ten years. And Pages have been a powerful encouragement. (Nod to our host)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:08:05pm

re: #344 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:08:10pm

Who ordered the Two Sacks O’ Shit On A Sofa?

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:09:56pm
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Kragar  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:10:39pm
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calochortus  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:14:43pm

re: #351 Kragar

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“Missile launches have stoped”?

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makeitstop  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:16:23pm

re: #352 calochortus

“Missile launches have stoped”?

No! Missle launches have stoped!

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:17:20pm

re: #353 makeitstop

No! Missle launches have stoped!

Hard to keep up with all the bad spelling.

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plansbandc  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:17:45pm

Friend on FB posted the propaganda pic with the flags together and said, This is why we elected a REAL President!

I feel sick.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:17:48pm
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unproven innocence  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:18:26pm

re: #339 freetoken

Those following my critique of the Paige Patterson affair, SWBTS, and the SBC, will not be surprised at who is showing up at their gathering this week:

Pence to visit Dallas for speech at Southern Baptist Convention meeting

And this is why I keep harping about SBC issues (from Patterson to Mohler to creationism, etc.)

Trump is not the cause, but the symptom.

The cause is atavistic religious activism.

I’m not sure if I ever posted a link here to this essay before. When I first found this, I thot it explained alot about the craziness of the Trump campaign, but that it might be too crazy to be true. I no longer think that.
The Calvinist Roots of American Anti-Intellectualism By EJ Spode
Excerpts (bolding is mine):

‘People sometimes say that they like Trump because he speaks his mind and because he talks and thinks like they do, and this is often read as code for people liking his racism. But it is more than that. Trump sounds familiar because he is doing on a grand stage what they are told to do every day from pulpits across America. They are told to stick to their guns and to reject the evolution crap and the carbon dating crap and more generally the logic and inductive science crap, and they know that it is HARD. But here is Trump, a man who can proudly, unashamedly, stand up to Renaissance and Enlightenment-forged principles of rational inquiry and rational discourse.’

At the beginning of this essay, I promised to say something about Donald Trump. Throughout this election cycle, pundits and academics have marveled at the acceptance of Trump by some (if not all) conservative Christian leaders and their flocks, even while Catholics have wanted nothing to do with Trump. On the face of it, this acceptance by Evangelicals is a head-scratcher. Why would people that value piety and modesty and turning the other cheek and being kind and forgiving, etc. be in league with Trump of all people?

The answer, of course, is that they don’t support Trump because of his lack of piety or any other aspect of human character that they particularly value and which he inevitably lacks (modesty, kindness, forgiveness, you can name them all). Trump’s function is that he is their field general in their most important battle - the battle against the autonomous human reason.

I’m serious. This is the battle that matters above all others to the Evangelical right. You can fight against abortion, taxes, gun laws, no prayer and the teaching of evolution in schools, all day long. The problem is that if secular reason is still a thing, well then it is going to be an obstruction to all of those goals. Thus the real battle begins nearly 750 years ago, with Aquinas carving out a role for nature and ultimately the ideas of the Renaissance and Enlightenment and everything since.

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calochortus  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:21:03pm

I’m out for the evening.Hasta mañana Lizards.
Assuming there is a mañana, what with all the Trump madness.

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Kragar  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:21:50pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:23:50pm

re: #343 Unshaken Defiance

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Years ago I caught this shot, I was ecstatic to catch the lighting with a down burst and the sunset behind me setting the color and light. I just worked it up again with far more modern software and filters. For all that it’s under 500k, might be a nice wallpaper. No watermark for my friends ‘round here.

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:26:13pm

re: #357 unproven innocence

I’m not sure I’d lay Trump’s rise down to Calvinism.

After all, one of the hot-points at this year’s SBC meeting is not necessarily the “me too” movement driving out Patterson, but many Baptists are running around warning their fellow dunkers that the Calvinists are coming.

It’s the emotional fervency that accompanied the “great awakenings” in American history, that made the US the religious nation that it is.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:26:46pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:29:09pm

re: #362 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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In which Joe Walsh swallows.

Such a firm stance.

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freetoken  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:29:25pm

The axis that runs from Van Til to Rushdoony to then wanna-be intellectuals who are really pushing theocracy is clear.

But Trump is the result of reality TV making a born-rich man appear to be much richer than he was.

Trump is about lying and deceit for the purposes of his ego.

Just because religious fundamentalists are easily manipulated by rich egotists is not the same as the rich egotist being religious.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:31:02pm

re: #349 jaunte

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Who ordered the Two Sacks O’ Shit On A Sofa?

I knew this is exactly what would happen. Trump all happy and jovial with Kim compared to pouting about the G7 leaders.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:31:49pm

re: #363 ObserverArt

In which Joe Walsh swallows.

Such a firm stance.

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mmmirele  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:44:44pm

re: #343 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks! I changed out my desktop.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:45:25pm
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jaunte  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:47:12pm
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mmmirele  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:47:45pm

re: #368 JordanRules

Holy crap, that is INSANE. I could do it with crochet but it wouldn’t look so smooth and bone-like. Plus a lot of work, too. I wonder how many hours it took him to do this.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:50:54pm

re: #370 mmmirele

Holy crap, that is INSANE. I could do it with crochet but it wouldn’t look so smooth and bone-like. Plus a lot of work, too. I wonder how many hours it took him to do this.

It’s so good! I also wonder if it was his first go at a skeleton or if he’s evolved it.

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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:51:55pm
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JordanRules  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:54:16pm

Fun replies!

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unproven innocence  Jun 11, 2018 • 8:55:56pm

re: #361 freetoken

I’m not sure I’d lay Trump’s rise down to Calvinism.

After all, one of the hot-points at this year’s SBC meeting is not necessarily the “me too” movement driving out Patterson, but many Baptists are running around warning their fellow dunkers that the Calvinists are coming.

It’s the emotional fervency that accompanied the “great awakenings” in American history, that made the US the religious nation that it is.

Speaking of great awakenings, the gist of that essay is that the Cavinists won’t be content with some progress in federal judiciary appointments, home schooling, etc. The hardline dominionists want to tear it ALL down. They consider the Enlightenment, modern science, women’s rights and modern democratic principles to be against “gods law” —problems that need fixing.
Betsy DeVos Wants to Use America’s Schools to Build “God’s Kingdom”
Trump’s education secretary pick has spent a lifetime working to end public education as we know it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 11, 2018 • 9:04:03pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 11, 2018 • 10:06:48pm

Using Opera Version 53.0.2907.68. All tweets are text only.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 11, 2018 • 10:11:51pm

re: #376 teleskiguy

Using Opera Version 53.0.2907.68. All tweets are text only.

WW and I had the same problem in Firefox. Disabling something (new) called “tracking protection” solved the problem. I would fire up Opera to see what’s what, but I have too much crap running as it is, and can’t shut some of it down for a while….

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2018 • 3:15:01am

re: #231 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

1st photo of Trump leaving his meeting with Kim:

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Nope. He knew what he was doing - both to the Czechs and to buy time to build up the RAF & Army.

Trump is just a puppet.

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William Lewis  Jun 12, 2018 • 3:28:15am

re: #334 teleskiguy

Extended sabbatical is how I read it.

I hope that’s all. I do so miss his posts.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 12, 2018 • 8:18:02am

re: #326 electrotek

It is safe to say that Trump is the most anti-Western President we have ever witnessed in history.

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 12, 2018 • 8:53:54am

re: #231 b.d. (Witch Hunt!!)

1st photo of Trump leaving his meeting with Kim:

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Exactly.


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