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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 7:56:27pm
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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 7:57:36pm

“…Family detention centers are used by the federal government to hold mothers and children seeking asylum, often fleeing violence in Central America. Two of the nation’s three facilities are in Texas and together can hold about 3,200 detainees.

The Texas Pediatric Society has said the facilities cause depression and anxiety and can impede development in children.

Federal courts have held that children may only be detained for prolonged periods of time in “licensed, nonsecure facilities.” The rulings limited family detention centers to holding children for a few weeks at a time. By creating a process to license the centers as childcare facilities, the bill would have let the prison companies detain families for the duration of their cases — months in most instances.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 7:58:46pm

re: #1 JordanRules

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A Communist note. Sergey always pointed out that the Communists were among the most xenophobic he encountered in his homeland. Yet another reason why I don’t think “ending capitalism” is the answer.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:01:47pm

You can cure class inequality but it will mean nothing if people resent their neighbors for looking different than they do. That’s why I’ve never been a doctrinaire socialist even if I have problems with capitalism, I have bigger problems with ignoring racism or even being okay with it.

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lawhawk  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:02:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:04:04pm

re: #5 lawhawk

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Graham’s gone full into the Trump koolaide. Oh and Lindsay, this isn’t Barack Obama? Yeah you mean the President whose policies got OBL and Qaddafi killed. Fuck you dude. Stop acting like Trump is this tough guy and Obama was weak for all the stupid losers in your cult of a party.

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:04:04pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:04:19pm

Bread and Circus for the Trumpers.
DRUDGE headline right now, of all the possible leads
CONGRESS TO BAN CHILD SEX ROBOTS

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:04:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:06:06pm

re: #9 jaunte

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All for wanting to be a refugee in our country. Fuck you Trump and fuck you those who made him possible directly and indirectly.

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ObserverArt  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:06:55pm

Lindsey Graham is drunk on Trump.

He embarrasses himself by fawning over him.

He knows his career is over soon, so he is going to ride until the time comes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:07:04pm

I’m sure this got some play around here earlier, but fuck these people:

In the video, Grossman goes on to quote the Declaration of Independence and says, “the Constitution was designed to incorporate that idea of the Declaration of Independence that everybody is treated equally under the law. Now, what diversity has become, it’s been an excuse by Democrats, communists, and socialists, basically, to say that we’re not all created equal, that some people, if he — if somebody is lesser qualified, they will get a job anyway, or they’ll get into college anyway because of the tribe that they’re with, what group, what box they fit into.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:08:20pm

re: #9 jaunte

Wow. Imagine the RW fury if Obama had a mural like that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:08:28pm
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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:09:00pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

They had a fury over a Christmas ornament, so yeah.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:09:45pm

re: #8 Unshaken Defiance

Bread and Circus for the Trumpers.
DRUDGE headline right now, of all the possible leads
CONGRESS TO BAN CHILD SEX ROBOTS

So nice to see that Congress is gong to ban blow up dolls until they’ve sat on the shelves for 18 years…

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SteelPH  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:10:22pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

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How dare they seek a better life here instead of sitting around and dying? Clearly we must make them suffer.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:10:26pm

This fucking piece of shit liar right here.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:10:27pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sure this got some play around here earlier, but fuck these people:

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In the video, Grossman goes on to quote the Declaration of Independence and says, “the Constitution was designed to incorporate that idea of the Declaration of Independence that everybody is treated equally under the law. Now, what diversity has become, it’s been an excuse by Democrats, communists, and socialists, basically, to say that we’re not all created equal, that some people, if he — if somebody is lesser qualified, they will get a job anyway, or they’ll get into college anyway because of the tribe that they’re with, what group, what box they fit into.”

Oh he seems nice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:11:24pm

JFC

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SteelPH  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:11:57pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sure this got some play around here earlier, but fuck these people:

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In the video, Grossman goes on to quote the Declaration of Independence and says, “the Constitution was designed to incorporate that idea of the Declaration of Independence that everybody is treated equally under the law. Now, what diversity has become, it’s been an excuse by Democrats, communists, and socialists, basically, to say that we’re not all created equal, that some people, if he — if somebody is lesser qualified, they will get a job anyway, or they’ll get into college anyway because of the tribe that they’re with, what group, what box they fit into.”

Okay asshole, let’s try it this way: Boot out everyone who isn’t Native American. After all, they were here first, not whites.

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:15:15pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

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Yeah, I posted it downstairs and I think it earned me 7 updings.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:15:24pm

re: #21 SteelPH

Okay asshole, let’s try it this way: Boot out everyone who isn’t Native American. After all, they were here first, not whites.

Grossman is Cherokee for Dumb prick who ignores his own history.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:18:04pm

The mood has been pretty dark around these parts. Dark in good and bad ways. I’ll contribute this song to the stew.

Fugazi - Argument (from “The Argument” 2001 )

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:18:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:19:28pm

re: #25 jaunte

See and this scares the hell out of me. I’m a permanent resident. I worry that one fuckup on my part could get me sent back to Canada.

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SteelPH  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:20:29pm

re: #25 jaunte

Anyone claiming this isn’t an excuse to target brown people in general at this point, may you rot in the deepest pits of Hell.

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:20:38pm

re: #17 SteelPH

How dare they seek a better life here instead of sitting around and dying? Clearly we must make them suffer.

Oh, their argument is they should bear down and fix their own country. NVM that once a country’s government is so weak that it can’t suppress organised crime, you likely have to have a full-on revolutionary movement to do that, and we’ve seen how well those are thought of by the US too—see, forex, Sendero Luminoso.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:21:55pm

re: #25 jaunte

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She was right sigh.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:22:20pm

Brown people detained by ICE for 20 year old offenses while Jared Kushner (representing Big Daddy) sells U.S. foreign policy for millions.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:23:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:23:48pm

Ugg, Jeff Weaver and Nina Turner are coming to Lincoln tomorrow for a thing.

Hey, Mrs. Kleeb, Bernie Sanders isn’t a Democrat.

Dear fellow Democrats,
We have exciting news of events happening in Nebraska this week with allies and national speakers.
Join us at the Where Are the Children rally to bring awareness of human rights violations happening in our own country as children are separated from their moms and dads. Frank LaMere, the NDP First Associate Chair, will speak at this event.
Rally for Children, Thursday, June 14
3:30-5:30pm
State Capitol, North side of the building on the sidewalk, Lincoln
Click here to join us in Lincoln on Thursday.

Join us at a Book Event & Talk with Jeff Weaver, Campaign Manager for Senator Bernie Sanders. Sen. Nina Turner will also be at this event to discuss the grassroots energy around the 2016 campaign and where the movement goes from here with everyone at the table to build the Democratic Party.
Book Event with Jeff Weaver, Friday, June 15
5:30-7:00pm.
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Click here for a free ticket or purchase a ticket with a signed book for the event Friday night.

Join Our Revolution President Nina Turner and candidates, including Spencer Danner for a rally with music and food. If you have never heard Sen. Turner speak, this is a MUST attend event. Chair Jane Kleeb will also speak at this event.
Rally with Nina Turner, Saturday, June 16
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Click here to reserve your free ticket to the event on Saturday night.

We will announce more events soon on other national speakers coming into Nebraska later this summer and fall. Thank you for supporting and building the Nebraska Democratic Party.
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:24:05pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

You’re a white dude in the south. You’re fine. It’s the browner people.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:25:27pm

re: #30 jaunte

Brown people detained by ICE for 20 year old offenses while Jared Kushner (representing Big Daddy) sells U.S. foreign policy for millions.

Did I say millions? Billions.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:25:34pm

It gets much worse until we fill the streets

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:26:21pm

re: #18 jaunte

This fucking piece of shit liar right here.

There are no Korean War vets left in my town. The last one died a couple years ago. That claim is preposterous on it’s face, so wait for the GOP to defend it and Maggie Haberman to call it anything but a lie.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:26:22pm

It’s not theirs to sell, though. That’s the future of our country.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:26:58pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

See and this scares the hell out of me. I’m a permanent resident. I worry that one fuckup on my part could get me sent back to Canada.

I’ll go in your place. /s

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Citizen K  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:28:06pm

The purge is real. This is no less than the biggest step toward the criminalization of immigrants and brown skin in general. And no one is fucking safe. Clearly not the children, since they’re being treated like fucking criminals for their very fucking existence.

This is a moral stain that we’ll never recover from. And half the fucking country loves it.

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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:28:30pm
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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:29:04pm
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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:29:45pm
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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:30:15pm

re: #35 Unshaken Defiance

It gets much worse until we fill the streets

This!!

Voting will not be enough.

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:30:57pm

re: #39 Citizen K

The purge is real. This is no less than the biggest step toward the criminalization of immigrants and brown skin in general. And no one is fucking safe. Clearly not the children, since they’re being treated like fucking criminals for their very fucking existence.

This is a moral stain that we’ll never recover from. And half the fucking country loves it.

Agreed. They’re gonna eventually go after everyone with a moving violation on their DMV record. And I don’t think anyone gets to 22 without one.

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:32:34pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

You’re a white dude in the south. You’re fine. It’s the browner people.

Well, only if he’s a straight, white dude who is neither atheist nor Muslim, and should Trump ever lose direct control, also not Jewish nor Catholic…

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:35:14pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:36:02pm

re: #31 jaunte

Hence my letter to my paper. Senator Sasse’s office doesn’t even send me automated messages saying they received my E-mails. (My rep says he doesn’t represent Democrats.)

They don’t even have to threaten to switch parties. They can just vote for the bill or co-sponsor it.

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Cheechako  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:37:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:38:00pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

You’re a white dude in the south. You’re fine. It’s the browner people.

I’d like to think so, but the way that orange fucker has been demonizing Canada lately…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:38:09pm

re: #44 Chrysicat

Agreed. They’re gonna eventually go after everyone with a moving violation on their DMV record. And I don’t think anyone gets to 22 without one.

I’ve never had a moving violation, but I am a rarity.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:39:25pm

re: #39 Citizen K

We never recovered from Ike then, I guess.

This is a war strategy by a bunch of bigots who know they are on the wrong side of history. We lose if we give in.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:40:33pm

re: #45 Chrysicat

Well, only if he’s a straight, white dude who is neither atheist nor Muslim, and should Trump ever lose direct control, also not Jewish nor Catholic…

AFAIK he’s Christian, and married to a woman.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:45:11pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

AFAIK he’s Christian, and married to a woman.

Emo Philips - Golden gate bridge (1987, official sub ita)

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:46:12pm

A nice thing about living at altitude in the summer. No matter how hot it gets the temperature is going to drop considerably when the Sun sets.

It’s about 75° F right now, temperature dropping somewhat rapidly. Just opened the windows and turned on a couple of fans. It’ll feel great in here pretty soon.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:46:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:48:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:49:38pm

re: #48 Cheechako

This ties in with the Page I just posted:

Scanning Immigrants’ Old Fingerprints, U.S. Threatens to Strip Thousands of Citizenship

Oh fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:50:05pm

re: #55 Belafon

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You’re a Republican if you are typically.

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:51:29pm

The replies brings forth many others that deserve a mention.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:51:35pm

Who knew he was so musical.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:54:33pm

I got CL’d while trying to recover a friend’s corrupted USB HD. Here’s what I posted last thread.

re: #126 Romantic Heretic

More and more I’m thinking that the so-called conservatives are preparing their own form of Janissaries.

Raise up a child in the way he should go and all that.

Trump is also raising up an entire cohort of potential MS-13 gang members or political radicals, because a kid being incarcerated for no reason, after being ripped away from his or her parents, is going to end up hating the USA and in particular Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:56:26pm

Yay, chance of thunderstorms and 100F tomorrow. Low 61F. Tornadogenesis weather. Yay?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 8:59:17pm
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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:00:00pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sure this got some play around here earlier, but fuck these people:

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In the video, Grossman goes on to quote the Declaration of Independence and says, “the Constitution was designed to incorporate that idea of the Declaration of Independence that everybody is treated equally under the law. Now, what diversity has become, it’s been an excuse by Democrats, communists, and socialists, basically, to say that we’re not all created equal, that some people, if he — if somebody is lesser qualified, they will get a job anyway, or they’ll get into college anyway because of the tribe that they’re with, what group, what box they fit into.”

Here are more of grossman’s (well-named) greatest hits.

mediamatters.org

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:01:21pm
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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:04:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:06:20pm

re: #66 JordanRules

Sorry, Jimmy, my reps don’t take calls from me. They don’t represent Democrats.

The best I can do is write letters to the paper, which I already did.

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unproven innocence  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:12:17pm

re: #65 Chrysicat

A relevent Wiki ref: Potemkin village

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:12:38pm

Really good, long thread. We’ve been primed for this. Sorry, but this is us. It’s been us. We have to deal with that to truly confront where we are and be able to effectively fight and usher in change.

Just a few samples…

Lots more in the thread.

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:13:44pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

Sorry, Jimmy, my reps don’t take calls from me. They don’t represent Democrats.

The best I can do is write letters to the paper, which I already did.

Jimmy’s message is applicable for a lot of folks. Sorry it isn’t for you. Good on you continuing to write.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:15:59pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

See and this scares the hell out of me. I’m a permanent resident. I worry that one fuckup on my part could get me sent back to Canada.

One rolling stop through a stop sign or driving one mile over the legal limit and its back to the Great White North for you, hoser.//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:17:40pm

re: #68 unproven innocence

A relevent Wiki ref: Potemkin village

Interesting example from that article:

In 1998, the energy services company Enron built and maintained a fake trading floor on the 6th story of its downtown Houston headquarters. The trading floor was used to impress Wall Street analysts attending Enron’s annual shareholders meeting and even included rehearsals conducted by Enron executives Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling.[18]

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:17:42pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:23:37pm

We shouldn’t even have private prisons in the first place.

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:27:27pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

We shouldn’t even have private prisons in the first place.

Yup, same with for-profit news and healthcare.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:28:04pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

We shouldn’t even have private prisons in the first place.

Prisons for profit is like something out of a dystopian novel. It’s sick and evil. Both Holder and Lynch saw that so of course Sessions reversed it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:29:09pm

re: #75 JordanRules

Yup, same with for-profit news and healthcare.

It amazes me greatly how the same people who fear any government will be indifferent or even okay with corporate power abuses.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:29:20pm
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jaunte  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:31:36pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:33:00pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

It amazes me greatly how the same people who fear any government will be indifferent or even okay with corporate power abuses.

“If they weren’t filling a need, they wouldn’t make money!”

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:34:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:35:02pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

“If they weren’t filling a need, they wouldn’t make money!”

They also ignore state and local government power abuses and federal ones when they’ve got the power.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:35:59pm

re: #81 JordanRules

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Yes it is. It might be just enough for Trump to retain his grip in Congress. We need momentum for 2020.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:38:58pm

Skeptic Magazine pilloried Christian religious groups and individuals over Anthony Bourdain’s death.

Among the more obnoxious things I’ve read in the wake of Anthony Bourdain’s death is that if only he had been a man of faith, he wouldn’t have taken his own life. Consider the almost sneering commentary offered by Bill Donohue, President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, in a syndicated piece written less than a day after the rogue chef’s body was found hanging by the belt of his bathrobe in a Strasbourg hotel room. “If Anthony Bourdain had been a religious man, would he have killed himself? Probably not,” writes Donohue. “Bourdain was raised by his Catholic father and Jewish mother, though neither of them saw fit to raise him any religion … [Bourdain] said his views of religion were similar to those expressed by Christopher Hitchens, the British atheist. This is why the atheist organization, Freedom from Religion, was so proud of him.”

Not only is the tenor of Donohue’s sentiment completely tone-deaf and insensitive, his claim that Bourdain—or, for that matter, any other atheist suicide victim—could have been saved by religion is presumptuous and misleading. In his unabashed efforts to show why Catholicism is superior to other religions (he touts his book The Catholic Advantage while writing about Bourdain’s suicide), Donahue points out that regular churchgoers are less likely to kill themselves. He’s right. But it turns out it’s a little more complicated than Donahue would have us believe. The church buffering effect against suicide that he’s alluding to, in fact, has almost nothing to do with faith. Rather, the correlation comes from churchgoers being part of an active community, one with formal rituals encouraging social engagement and regulated moral support. It’s what’s known as the “network theory” of religion and suicide, first articulated by Émile Durkheim in the late 19th century. In his famous treatise Suicide (1897), Durkheim reported that, despite their matched religiosity, Protestants were more likely to take their own lives than Catholics, a puzzling observation given that suicide is proscribed in both forms of Christianity. But Protestants are permitted free inquiry, have fewer formal rituals, and are characterized by more permeable groups.

This general trend—that it is church attendance, not simply religion, that protects people against suicide—has been found in study after study ever since. So, when Donahue writes that “those who are regular churchgoers have a much lower rate of suicide than atheists like Bourdain,” he’s conflating (and I suspect deliberately so) religious behavior and theism.

When it comes to suicide, the existence or nonexistence of God, or belief therein, is far less consequential than the tumult of our social lives. (more, with a link to Donahoe’s hot take)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:41:24pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

Skeptic Magazine pilloried Christian religious groups and individuals over Anthony Bourdain’s death.

Donahue is a fucking ghoul. I’ll open about a loved one’s suicide here because I consider y’all friends but religion certainly was not lacking in my uncle’s life. Donahue is a pathetic asshole who never misses an opportunity to be the worst Catholic in the country.

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Belafon  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:46:01pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

This network theory is why atheists who wanted to start similar meetng groups a few years ago are a good thing, even though it was mocked by some people here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:50:16pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Donahue is a fucking ghoul. I’ll open about a loved one’s suicide here because I consider y’all friends but religion certainly was not lacking in my uncle’s life. Donahue is a pathetic asshole who never misses an opportunity to be the worst Catholic in the country.

See also: Donohoe is a divorced Catholic.

Further down in that article one finds this nugget:

There’s another, more inconvenient, statistic that Donohue fails to mention, which is that devout people who experience religious strain—for instance, because they’re convinced that they’ve committed a sin too major to be forgiven—are actually more likely than their nonreligious peers to take their own lives. Feeling alienated from God, such religious individuals are at a heightened risk of behaviorally accelerating His wrathful sentence. Over the centuries, propagators of every Christian denomination, and most other world religions as well, have admonished their followers that anyone so foolish as to die by their own hand will suffer in Hell eternally. But if you see yourself as having done something so unforgivable that you’re going to Hell anyway, that’s not much of a preventative.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:50:42pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

It’s now 66° F, calm winds, though the dew point temperature is still below freezing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:52:06pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

See also: Donohoe is a divorced Catholic.

Further down in that article one finds this nugget:

I actually didn’t know that. Wow you’d think given how holier then thou he is but then again he’s always miserable.

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:52:36pm

‘Love’ it when someone new sees my sticky tweet for the first time. This is the first time anyone’s shown disbelief since October, though…

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:53:36pm

It’s fully 40° colder after the sun goes down. It’s a nice thing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:54:02pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

The same Bill Donahue who turns his back on children who were molested by priests…

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:55:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:55:42pm

re: #92 Joe Bacon 🌹

The same Bill Donahue who turns his back on children who were molested by priests…

That’s the worst thing about him. He blames the fucking victims. As you know my own grand uncle was a RCC priest and I’ve met a few priests I rather like but if you molest a child, fuck you.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:56:21pm

re: #93 JordanRules

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It is a good omen. Nevada rejected Trump last time too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 9:56:37pm

My wife writing in a Polish group:

——

There is a discussion of how the US is faring in a Polish group, who are wondering how far the US will go as far as being turned into “Trumpistan” by our #FakePresident. There has been a whole discussion of how far things have gone or will go, just what Putin has on Trump or is promising Trump to control him, and how people in the US are taking it.

Person wrote:

Czy to jeszcze US, czy juz Trumpistan?

Translation:

Is it still the US, or is it Trumpistan?

Her response:
To wciąż USA, a nie Trumpistan. Ludzie stawiają opór, czasami na ulicach, czasami mówiąc “nie” swoim agentom ICE, którzy nie podlegają jurysdykcji, żądając “dokumentów”.

Istnieją wezwania do strajku generalnego, jeśli pewne rzeczy zdarzają się utrudnić dochodzenie Muellera lub kilka innych wydarzeń może go uruchomić.

Solidarność!

Translation:
It’s still the US, not Trumpistan. People are resisting, sometimes in the streets, sometimes saying “no” to his ICE agents out of jurisdiction demanding “documents”.

There are calls for a general strike if or when certain things happen to impede the Mueller investigation or several other events could start it.

Solidarity!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:00:30pm

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

My wife writing in a Polish group:

——

There is a discussion of how the US is faring in a Polish group, who are wondering how far the US will go as far as being turned into “Trumpistan” by our #FakePresident. There has been a whole discussion of how far things have gone or will go, just what Putin has on Trump or is promising Trump to control him, and how people in the US are taking it.

Person wrote:

Czy to jeszcze US, czy juz Trumpistan?

Translation:

Is it still the US, or is it Trumpistan?

Her response:
To wciąż USA, a nie Trumpistan. Ludzie stawiają opór, czasami na ulicach, czasami mówiąc “nie” swoim agentom ICE, którzy nie podlegają jurysdykcji, żądając “dokumentów”.

Istnieją wezwania do strajku generalnego, jeśli pewne rzeczy zdarzają się utrudnić dochodzenie Muellera lub kilka innych wydarzeń może go uruchomić.

Solidarność!

Translation:
It’s still the US, not Trumpistan. People are resisting, sometimes in the streets, sometimes saying “no” to his ICE agents out of jurisdiction demanding “documents”.

There are calls for a general strike if or when certain things happen to impede the Mueller investigation or several other events could start it.

Solidarity!

Poland is a quite conservative place but they know Russia’s past and present.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:02:59pm

I missed by one freaking day the fourth year anniversary of my one and only “pinned tweet.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:07:29pm

Anthony Bourdain on Craft breweries:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:08:53pm

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Anthony Bourdain on Craft breweries:

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I actually like craft beer a lot but I agree about over analyzing.

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scottslemmons  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:15:53pm

At this point, it’s way, way too late to save America. If you can get your family out, you need to. If you can help get your friends out, too, so much the better. If you can help vulnerable people or anyone else who’ll be targeted (artists, scientists, dissidents of all kinds), that’s great, too.

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:16:32pm

(Yes!! believe it or not, there is still something I’d enjoy doing for a living other than political punditry!)

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TedStriker  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:17:13pm

re: #101 scottslemmons

At this point, it’s way, way too late to save America. If you can get your family out, you need to. If you can help get your friends out, too, so much the better. If you can help vulnerable people or anyone else who’ll be targeted (artists, scientists, dissidents of all kinds), that’s great, too.

Speak for your fucking self.

I’m not letting the bastards win.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:20:00pm

Stupid memes, part eleventy billion

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BigPapa  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:20:29pm

I don’t think we’re there. Yet. Gonna see how it plays out and make my little moves.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:21:38pm

re: #101 scottslemmons

At this point, it’s way, way too late to save America. If you can get your family out, you need to. If you can help get your friends out, too, so much the better. If you can help vulnerable people or anyone else who’ll be targeted (artists, scientists, dissidents of all kinds), that’s great, too.

I’ll forego the pessimism, thanks. No one’s going to help me leave. The only choice is to help oust the nihilists from the government.

Solidarity Office in Gdansk, Poland
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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:22:06pm

re: #101 scottslemmons

Nope. Fuck that. Dig your own hole.

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:23:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:24:05pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

Nope. Fuck that. Dig your own hole.

Where would you go, anyway? The USA has by far the largest military and more nukes than every other nation in the world put together.

If the USA was to go down, no place would be safe.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:24:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:25:41pm

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

Stupid memes, part eleventy billion

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It’s sad alright. Sad that Republicans are fine with that.

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:25:54pm
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BeachDem  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:26:18pm

OK, I’ve been kinda crabby all day (maybe because I’ve been cleaning my house and I am a total conehead when it comes to cleaning my house) but I’ll sign of with a nice tweet from VoteVets about my candidate for governor:

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BigPapa  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:27:02pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:31:17pm

re: #114 BigPapa

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:33:51pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:34:39pm

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You’ll never entirely wrap your head around how terrible the coverage was of the respective Clinton and Trump campaigns.


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The coverage was terrible, but I think that the press just could not understand the full depth of Trump’s evil nor that of the deplorables who make up much of his base. I’m not sure that they comprehend it to this day.

How can one explain how complicit the Republicans are in this evil? Is it just that they don’t understand either? Or are they all morphing into full-blown Nazis before our eyes?

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:36:26pm

re: #114 BigPapa

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:42:12pm

re: #81 JordanRules

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I wonder if Putin hasn’t gotten what he wanted from tRump and now considers him a wasting asset? Maybe he figures a big Dem win in November might cause more chaos than tRump alone? Creating chaos is his goal, I believe.

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BigPapa  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:44:26pm

Creating chaos was the previous goal. After results of the last round creation of chaos may be a lower expectation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:44:38pm

re: #116 Single-handed sailor

There is a metric fuquetonne of derp in that thread, mostly from Americans who do not know squat about ranching or dairy farming.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:46:55pm

re: #117 Hecuba’s daughter

The New York Times said the same thing about Hitler.

The Washington Post looked at that op-ed from the Times and said hold my beer.

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:51:37pm

re: #117 Hecuba’s daughter

The coverage was terrible, but I think that the press just could not understand the full depth of Trump’s evil nor that of the deplorables who make up much of his base. I’m not sure that they comprehend it to this day.

How can one explain how complicit the Republicans are in this evil? Is it just that they don’t understand either? Or are they all morphing into full-blown Nazis before our eyes?

The press hasn’t corrected or learned anything so there are some really bad systemic dynamics and bad actors at play. They won’t even admit to any wrong doing or commit to earnest self reflection and critique.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:55:20pm

re: #112 JordanRules

Newsflash Mr. Skeletor: I take great care of myself but that doesn’t change the fact my body has a permanent condition I didn’t ask for and can’t do a damned thing about.

Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:55:22pm

re: #117 Hecuba’s daughter

The coverage was terrible, but I think that the press just could not understand the full depth of Trump’s evil nor that of the deplorables who make up much of his base. I’m not sure that they comprehend it to this day.

How can one explain how complicit the Republicans are in this evil? Is it just that they don’t understand either? Or are they all morphing into full-blown Nazis before our eyes?

The issue is conservatives. They’ve courted it all my life. I have never witnessed a Republican Party that didn’t support racism.

Some will ignore it (except when courting votes), some will try to claim both-siderism, but no Republican politician doesn’t understand, not in my nearly sixty years.

The only thing they’re upset about is Trump stripping their dog whistles and running out in the open on what they also ran on in coded language.

By doing that, it exposes the whole GOP for what they really have been for the past sixty years: The party of Jim Crow, the party of apartheid, the party of racism.

Some of their voters may not understand it (buying the lines of “family values” or “fiscal conservatism”) but not the politicians. Steve King of Iowa was in office long before Trump. So was Jesse Helms.

They took the Wallace voters in willingly (those who did not become part of the National Alliance - by the way, they’re Nazis). They took the Klan and the John Birch Society in willingly under Goldwater.

They knew exactly what they were doing.

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:56:28pm
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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 10:59:38pm

re: #119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder if Putin hasn’t gotten what he wanted from tRump and now considers him a wasting asset? Maybe he figures a big Dem win in November might cause more chaos than tRump alone? Creating chaos is his goal, I believe.

He comes out with these moderate strategic rebukes every few months or so because he’s an asshole but he’s an asshole that’s still playing in the multilateral world. It keeps people on their toes and gives the disinfo op some headlines to throw out as evidence of his plausible deniability and statesman sensibility.

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teleskiguy  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:01:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:04:50pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Newsflash Mr. Skeletor: I take great care of myself but that doesn’t change the fact my body has a permanent condition I didn’t ask for and can’t do a damned thing about.

Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on.

I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1995. Ta da, preëxisting condition. I’m safe until they abolish the VA, then I’m screwed (along with every other veteran who gets care there).

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:07:57pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1995. Ta da, preëxisting condition. I’m safe until they abolish the VA, then I’m screwed (along with every other veteran who gets care there).

More likely privatize I would think. They don’t generally pass up an opportunity to make money off the vulnerable.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:10:14pm

I’m sure they won’t.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:19:03pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:26:45pm

re: #132 Ace-o-aces

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The only thing missing here is a “Arbeit macht frei” sign above the front gate.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:28:40pm

re: #133 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

The Trump version would be: “Work makes you free, losers!”

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Chrysicat  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:35:17pm

Like the end of the thread says, please tell me I’m not reading these dicks’ minds.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:41:26pm

re: #135 Chrysicat

And I caught a whole bunch of crap when I noted that Trump would try to come after my citizenship.

Shortly after Trump was elected, I noted the same issue to my Republican county prosecutor in a village board meeting. “Oh, he can’t do that, there are laws and court rulings protecting you.”

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SteelPH  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:42:23pm

re: #112 JordanRules

Cancer doesn’t give a shit how healthy you are, Ricky boy. It can strike regardless.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:43:15pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

The Trump version would be: “Work makes you free, losers!”

Or “Losers work for free!”

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SteelPH  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:45:14pm

Even someone at the absolute peak of physical health can come down with a brain tumor. Or born with another otherwise incurable condition. Rick Scott, and by extension the GOP, can go to all of the Hells.

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JordanRules  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:55:11pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

And I caught a whole bunch of crap when I noted that Trump would try to come after my citizenship.

Shortly after Trump was elected, I noted the same issue to my Republican county prosecutor in a village board meeting. “Oh, he can’t do that, there are laws and court rulings protecting you.”

Have any white citizens that were born here whose parents or grandparents were immigrants been deported yet that you know of?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 13, 2018 • 11:58:18pm

re: #140 JordanRules

Have any white citizens that were born here whose parents or grandparents were immigrants been deported yet that you know of?

I’ve said many times, my father’s parents came here in 1900. I have no idea whether they were ever naturalized or not—but I suspect not.

They came here from Norway, so I’m not worried.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:00:43am

re: #140 JordanRules

Have any white citizens that were born here whose parents or grandparents were immigrants been deported yet that you know of?

Not that I am aware of yet.

My grandparents came here in violation of the 1924 Immigration Act. The logical conclusion of deporting people who came unlawfully and stripping their descendants of citizenship includes me.

White folk aren’t likely to be first, but they’ll get around to us. (That, and a lot of conservatives don’t consider Slavs “white folk.”)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:02:40am

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

Not that I am aware of yet.

My grandparents came here in violation of the 1924 Immigration Act. The logical conclusion of deporting people who came unlawfully and stripping their descendants of citizenship includes me.

White folk aren’t likely to be first, but they’ll get around to us. (That, and a lot of conservatives don’t consider Slavs “white folk.”)

The point and purpose of this law is to deport brown people and deter others from coming. White people will be safe, at least until they are done with the brown ones.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:02:41am

re: #140 JordanRules

Have any white citizens that were born here whose parents or grandparents were immigrants been deported yet that you know of?

At what point do you start accepting that “no, but not only have we seen this movie before, we’re on the second reel’ is a reasonable answer?

‘Aryans’ died in the camps too, especially non-cishet ones. Iron Cross holders died in the camps once they decided that their Fuhrer was going too far, even if they were antisemitic themselves. And thanks to the Russian Orthodox church being the one trying to set the ‘new world order’, LGBT whites are likely to go in even before the commies this time. Deportation would be a comparative blessing, and I remain convinced that if we screw up the #BlueTsunami, you see stateless whites, should they be registered Dems.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:04:05am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point and purpose of this law is to deport brown people and deter others from coming. White people will be safe, at least until they are done with the brown ones.

Great, so he gets to spend another 3 years looking over his shoulder before the Final Solution gets around to him. How exactly is that better?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:05:48am

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

Not that I am aware of yet.

My grandparents came here in violation of the 1924 Immigration Act. The logical conclusion of deporting people who came unlawfully and stripping their descendants of citizenship includes me.

White folk aren’t likely to be first, but they’ll get around to us. (That, and a lot of conservatives don’t consider Slavs “white folk.”)

You’re aware of the etymology of the word “slave”, I’m sure….

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:09:54am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:16:06am

re: #119 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder if Putin hasn’t gotten what he wanted from tRump and now considers him a wasting asset? Maybe he figures a big Dem win in November might cause more chaos than tRump alone? Creating chaos is his goal, I believe.

Trump keeps paying Putin dividends; just look at the chaos Trump sowed in Canada and Singapore this week alone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:18:31am

re: #145 Chrysicat

Great, so he gets to spend another 3 years looking over his shoulder before the Final Solution gets around to him. How exactly is that better?

Not saying this is better, just pointing out that these laws are being selectively enforced to promote a certain agenda.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:19:32am

re: #148 Big Beautiful Door

Trump keeps paying Putin dividends; just look at the chaos Trump sowed in Canada and Singapore this week alone.

At some point the extent of Trump’as business dealings with Russia will be made public and that will not benefit Putin.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:20:31am

re: #133 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

The only thing missing here is a “Arbeit macht frei” sign above the front gate.

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

The Trump version would be: “Work makes you free, losers!”

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Or “Losers work for free!”

That, or “Jedem das Seine” (“to each his own” or “to each what he deserves”), which was on the sign above the entrance to KL Buchenwald.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:21:27am

re: #148 Big Beautiful Door

Trump keeps paying Putin dividends; just look at the chaos Trump sowed in Canada and Singapore this week alone.

Well, barring impeachment, tRump will still be there until 2020 (at least). I don’t think Vlad cares a shit about right-wing legislation—he’s not a Republican. I just wonder if he might not think that the turmoil caused by the most divided government imaginable would be good for him? tRump would still be doing the stupid shit he was hired to do—that’s a given.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:21:51am

re: #151 Teukka

That, or “Jedem das Seine” (“to each his own” or “to each what he deserves”), which was on the sign above the entrance to KL Buchenwald.

Beechwood Work Facility

Sounds like a place where the US would send deportees

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:23:46am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point and purpose of this law is to deport brown people and deter others from coming. White people will be safe, at least until they are done with the brown ones.

I’m also a member of the “opposition party.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:25:14am

re: #152 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course, if there were any Russian election tampering that helped Democrats, you can bet the news media would be all over that 24/7 till the election was overturned.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:25:48am

re: #146 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

You’re aware of the etymology of the word “slave”, I’m sure….

I am now, thanks.

I don’t even make a very good Slav, I doubt I would be a very good slave.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:28:01am

re: #144 Chrysicat

At what point do you start accepting that “no, but not only have we seen this movie before, we’re on the second reel’ is a reasonable answer?

‘Aryans’ died in the camps too, especially non-cishet ones. Iron Cross holders died in the camps once they decided that their Fuhrer was going too far, even if they were antisemitic themselves. And thanks to the Russian Orthodox church being the one trying to set the ‘new world order, LGBT whites are likely to go in even before the commies this time. Deportation would be a comparative blessing, and I remain convinced that if we screw up the #BlueTsunami, you see stateless whites, should they be registered Dems.

I’m not trying to discount anyone’s fears but a lot of the ‘well, they will be coming after white folks too’ feels really similar to the same kind of decentering tactics people of color and other marginalized groups have to constantly battle against to get the kind of anti-racist literacy and attention that is required to fight against this system that is literally built on white supremacy. Hitler studied us.

Intersectionality certainly comes into play, almost in reverse, in that there will be areas of intersection that will put other folks at risk too (there are white folks in prison too but…), but it’s important to be very clear-eyed about the totality of the system, it’s history and aims. To discount the white supremacist aspect of this is to whitewash the evolution of this country and how it still operates today. I’ve always seen the definition of who is white expand, not contract in this country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:28:34am

re: #155 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Of course, if there were any Russian election tampering that helped Democrats, you can bet the news media would be all over that 24/7 till the election was overturned.

If Hillary had one, that would have been one of the ongoing narratives and subject of endless witch hunts Congressional investigations.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:28:56am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:29:35am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At some point the extent of Trump’as business dealings with Russia will be made public and that will not benefit Putin.

Au contraire, it will create even more chaos in the US as the Trumpanzees reject any evidence against their man. The ultimate crisis Putin might like to see is Trump decisively losing the 2020 election, then refusing to surrender the office because of “massive voter fraud”, creating America’s worst constitutional crisis since 1861.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:30:27am

re: #159 Single-handed sailor

You are applying logic. There is only ideology.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:30:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:31:35am

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

Au contraire, it will create even more chaos in the US as the Trumpanzees reject any evidence against their man. The ultimate crisis Putin might like to see is Trump decisively losing the 2020 election, then refusing to surrender the office because of “massive voter fraud”, creating America’s worst constitutional crisis since 1861.

Putin is in a win/win situation here: anything that makes the US less effective on the world stage gives him a free hand to pursue his policy goals with a minimum of interference.

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DodgerFan1988  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:33:09am

Fox News got the GOP talking points memo, now defending North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:33:25am

re: #157 JordanRules

I’m not trying to discount anyone’s fears but a lot of the ‘well, they will be coming after white folks too’ feels really similar to the same kind of decentering tactics people of color and other marginalized groups have to constantly battle against to get the kind of anti-racist literacy and attention that is required to fight against this system that is literally built on white supremacy. Hitler studied us.

Intersectionality certainly comes into play, almost in reverse, in that there will be areas of intersection that will put other folks at risk too (there are white folks in prison too but…), but it’s important to be very clear-eyed about the totality of the system, it’s history and aims. To discount the white supremacist aspect of this is to whitewash the evolution of this country and how it still operates today. I’ve always seen the definition of who is white expand, not contract in this country.

OK, that’s a good point. And like I was saying downstairs when I got CL’d, this was always going to be this nation’s fate from the moment we let anyone who wore braid over butternut or grey live.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:34:28am

re: #133 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

The only thing missing here is a “Arbeit macht frei” sign above the front gate.

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

The Trump version would be: “Work makes you free, losers!”

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Or “Losers work for free!”

That, or “Jedem das Seine” (“to each his own” or “to each what he deserves”), which was on the sign above the entrance to KL Buchenwald.re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Beechwood Work Facility

Sounds like a place where the US would send deportees

What would Auschwitz become in English? Just in case they try passing an anglified version of it past us…

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:37:50am

re: #165 Chrysicat

OK, that’s a good point. And like I was saying downstairs when I got CL’d, this was always going to be this nation’s fate from the moment we let anyone who wore braid over butternut or grey live.

And I certainly want to acknowledge that LBGQT intersection because we know how at risk they are to hate and violence everyday, right now too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:38:28am

re: #166 Teukka

That, or “Jedem das Seine” (“to each his own” or “to each what he deserves”), which was on the sign above the entrance to KL Buchenwald.

What would Auschwitz become in English? Just in case they try passing an anglified version of it past us…

Wiki tells us it comes from the Polish for either “holy” or “mighty”…

Badger Meadows = Dachau

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:40:03am

re: #160 Big Beautiful Door

Au contraire, it will create even more chaos in the US as the Trumpanzees reject any evidence against their man. The ultimate crisis Putin might like to see is Trump decisively losing the 2020 election, then refusing to surrender the office because of “massive voter fraud”, creating America’s worst constitutional crisis since 1861.

I wonder how many so-called Trumpanzees there really are.

I understand the Keyes Constant (the crazification factor in any nation of conservatives), the ones who will pull the lever for Planetary Invasion (R).

There are a lot of really loud Trump supporters on social media, but how representative are they of the whole populace?

On the day Nixon left office, his ratings were still higher than Trump’s.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:41:51am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Wiki tells us it comes from the Polish for either “holy” or “mighty”…

Badger Meadows = Dachau

Birch Meadows = Birkenau

*shudders*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:42:39am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

There are a lot of really loud Trump supporters on social media, but how representative are they of the whole populace?

As soon as America started using social media as a source of news, people like Breitbart and Drudge started figuring how to float stories that would get picked up and treated as if they had any merit and soon be reported on by the mainstream media.

Because it is a lot cheaper to have an unpaid intern to monitor FB and Twitter than it is to pay reporters to look into what is actually happening out there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:44:19am

re: #167 JordanRules

And I certainly want to acknowledge that LBGQT intersection because we know how at risk they are to hate and violence everyday, right now too.

You don’t have to even be gay, someone only needs to think you are.

I recall a comment in a discussion with a conservative at Alternet a couple years ago. As I disassembled his talking points one-by-one, he finally ended with “You write like you’re gay.”

It’s been suggested to me I might be gay because my penmanship is very close to bookhand-perfect. (Or the lesser version, “You write like a girl” I get around here.)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:45:13am

re: #157 JordanRules

….I’ve always seen the definition of who is white expand, not contract in this country.

I’m continually flabbergasted by the shrinkage of acceptably “white” ethnicities. I grew up in the 50s and 60s in what I’m sure would be considered a lily-white suburb. Now I know every racist says something like this—but we’re all friends here, right?—I went to school with kids of every conceivable nationality on earth except African American, and looking back now, I know a huge fraction of those kids are not “white” any more…. It’s really discouraging.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:47:36am

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹

You don’t have to even be gay, someone only needs to think you are.

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:50:09am

PZ Meyers takes on the latest Jordan Peterson idiocy:

Reaction to Jordan Peterson & PragerU

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:50:22am

re: #173 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m continually flabbergasted by the shrinkage of acceptably “white” ethnicities. I grew up in the 50s and 60s in what I’m sure would be considered a lily-white suburb. Now I know every racist says something like this—but we’re all friends here, right?—I went to school with kids of every conceivable nationality on earth except African American, and looking back now, I know a huge fraction of those kids are not “white” any more…. It’s really discouraging.

My mother moved us out of Maryland when I went to school because my public school was segregated (well after the Brown decision).

To this day I am “Polack” to plenty of people, even people I’ve never met who first come across my last name. I imagine in that person’s mind, “Polack” doesn’t equate to “white.”

Posing a question to my wife just now, she says “you don’t look white to me.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:50:58am

re: #173 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m continually flabbergasted by the shrinkage of acceptably “white” ethnicities. I grew up in the 50s and 60s in what I’m sure would be considered a lily-white suburb. Now I know every racist says something like this—but we’re all friends here, right?—I went to school with kids of every conceivable nationality on earth except African American, and looking back now, I know a huge fraction of those kids are not “white” any more…. It’s really discouraging.

My mom was a widow and could not afford to join the White Flight when our neighborhood in Gary, Indiana flipped in the late 60’s…I grew up with hillbillies, Latinos and Blacks and went to a school where there were no more than a few dozen white kids left.

And one thing I got from what I read of Hillbilly Elegy (I never finished it) is that the Hillbillies who came to live in our neighborhood were pretty much an ethnic group all of their own, racially white but different than the other Eastern European or Anglo-European whites who lived there.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:55:55am

re: #173 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m continually flabbergasted by the shrinkage of acceptably “white” ethnicities. I grew up in the 50s and 60s in what I’m sure would be considered a lily-white suburb. Now I know every racist says something like this—but we’re all friends here, right?—I went to school with kids of every conceivable nationality on earth except African American, and looking back now, I know a huge fraction of those kids are not “white” any more…. It’s really discouraging.

Very interesting. I wonder how that changes by region. I’ve seen mostly the opposite here where folks like the Parkland shooter can even “pass”. Passing of course has an incredibly fascinating history.

The U.S. codified definition of white has pretty much been a history of expanding it to include other westerners.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:57:40am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

I wonder how many so-called Trumpanzees there really are.

I understand the Keyes Constant (the crazification factor in any nation of conservatives), the ones who will pull the lever for Planetary Invasion (R).

There are a lot of really loud Trump supporters on social media, but how representative are they of the whole populace?

On the day Nixon left office, his ratings were still higher than Trump’s.

If the Crazification Factor is 27% and you get a 50% turnout, that makes 54% for them—because they always vote. And 50% turnout would be very high in a primary election. That’s how we got where we are today.

If tRump can energize sane people to actually vote, maybe we can do something. Once. Before everybody goes back to sleep.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:58:29am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:59:43am

re: #178 JordanRules

Very interesting. I wonder how that changes by region. I’ve seen mostly the opposite here where folks like the Parkland shooter can even “pass”. Passing of course has an incredibly fascinating history.

The U.S. codified definition of white has pretty much been a history of expanding it to include other westerners.

Does “Polack” get equal treatment to “white?” Is there a need for that term if a Polish descendant was considered equal?

In my experience I am treated far better than African-Americans have been and are today, but in no means “equal.”

I want everyone treated equally, not some “well, look over there, those people have it worse.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:01:56am

re: #179 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If the Crazification Factor is 27% and you get a 50% turnout, that makes 54% for them—because they always vote. And 50% turnout would be very high in a primary election. That’s how we got where we are today.

That was the GOP strategy that put them over the top in 2016; They knew that Hillary was not going to motivate a lot of people to vote. They knew they could count on their 30% base to get to the polls, and just needed to get another 20% of voters to hate Hillary enough to go along.

And they knew that they just had to carry the states they carried in 2012 (no problem wit that) and concentrate their efforts on the Rust Belt: OH, PA, MI and WI.

That gave them the Electoral votes they needed without needing Florida.

I hate to say it, but Michael Moore had that figured out in the summer of 2016. I ignored him at the time as I always found him a bit of a gadfly, but he was spot-on with that analysis and prediction.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:04:27am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹

Does “Polack” get equal treatment to “white?” Is there a need for that term if a Polish descendant was considered equal?

In my experience I am treated far better than African-Americans have been and are today, but in no means “equal.”

I want everyone treated equally, not some “well, look over there, those people have it worse.”

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I haven’t encountered that word since the early 90s except here when you mention how it’s affected you. But I’m not sure what a derogatory term for an ethnic group has to do with that group being white. Every group has them and Polish people are considered white in this country.

I am certainly sorry you have received discriminatory treatment for being of Polish descent. I do not like anyone being discriminated against.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:04:37am

re: #178 JordanRules

Very interesting. I wonder how that changes by region. I’ve seen mostly the opposite here where folks like the Parkland shooter can even “pass”. Passing of course has an incredibly fascinating history.

The U.S. codified definition of white has pretty much been a history of expanding it to include other westerners.

Well, here in (Western) Washington, we haven’t gone quite as far down the racist rabbit-hole as a lot of places. Most of my schoolmates are probably all right as long as they stay here.

But I know the FAUX Noise crowd wouldn’t consider all the Hispanic, Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Lebanese, Syrian…etc. kids I went to school with “white”. We had every known flavor of Slavs, too…them I don’t know about.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:04:49am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And you have people like my cousin in Michigan who went with the “both sides are equally bad” and pulled the lever for Dr. Jill Stein.

Hopefully, more attention will be paid to those states, and the voters in those states will figure out they got played.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:05:42am

re: #170 Teukka

Birch Meadows = Birkenau

*shudders*

Theresetown = Theresienstadt
Braidmantown = Lodz
Saxon’s House = Sachsenhausen

I’ll let you lizardim work out Child Facility and Processing Facility….

*suppresses vomit reflex*

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:08:54am

re: #183 JordanRules

I haven’t encountered that word since the early 90s except here when you mention how it’s affected you. But I’m not sure what a derogatory term for an ethnic group has to do with that group being white. Every group has them and Polish people are considered white in this country.

I am certainly sorry you have received discriminatory treatment for being of Polish descent. I do not like anyone being discriminated against.

Well, as an adult I don’t get it as much as when I was in school, where I would take occasional beatings for being of Polish descent.

My son also took a beatdown for being a “Polack” in Florida high school for the same, so I guess it’s a family tradition. /s

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:09:59am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:13:03am

re: #188 Chrysicat

All politics is identity politics. Even local politics.

I vote for that candidate because he or she is …

… a Christian
… hates the same people I do
… a Republican or Democrat
… my neighbour
… a businessman or woman
… a Civil Rights icon
&c.

That “identity politics” conservative crap is another dog whistle for “minorities.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:13:08am

I have checked and it looks like I qualify for British citizenship because I was born prior to 1983 to a British mother. My wife loves Ireland so we could retire to Northern Ireland.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:13:34am

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹

Putin and Kim Jong Un cast a greedy gaze on the industrial infrastructure of South Korea. All they need is an idiot stupid enough to remove the only obstacle in their path: the US military.

Trump is their idiot.

North Korea would be an economic powerhouse now if the Soviets hadn’t ripped out all their infrastructure and carted it home in 1945. Remember the Chosin and other reservoirs from the Korean War? They were part of a stupendous hydroelectric scheme that supplied 75% of the electricity in the Japanese Empire.

Looting South Korea seventy years later—that would be something!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:13:43am

re: #188 Chrysicat

“The centre”. Is that where Black people know their place and don’t try to rise above their station, so they intelligently reject promotions beyond lower management? Where LGBT know their place and actively look like str8s whenever they aren’t behind two locked doors?]

The social and cultural “center” is a lot more liberal and inclusive than the political “center”. That has to do with gerrymandering of House seats and the fact that less densely populous states are over-represented in the Senate.

Remember, as with the Presidential elections, if you count overall Democratic vs GOP votes at a national level, there should be a Democratic majority in Congress.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:14:41am

re: #190 Big Beautiful Door

I have checked and it looks like I qualify for British citizenship because I was born prior to 1983 to a British mother. My wife loves Ireland so we could retire to Northern Ireland.

…and watch them build a wall between it and the rest of Ireland?

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:14:47am

re: #184 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, here in (Western) Washington, we haven’t gone quite as far down the racist rabbit-hole as a lot of places. Most of my schoolmates are probably all right as long as they stay here.

But I know the FAUX Noise crowd wouldn’t consider all the Hispanic, Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Lebanese, Syrian…etc. kids I went to school with “white”. We had every known flavor of Slavs, too…them I don’t know about.

Reading Amy Chua’s “World on Fire” years ago and I still am amazed at how in just about every country the elite and rich were the lighter skinned folks. It was such a constant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:16:38am

re: #191 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

North Korea would be an economic powerhouse now if the Soviets hadn’t ripped out all their infrastructure and carted it home in 1945. Remember the Chosin and other reservoirs from the Korean War? They were part of a stupendous hydroelectric scheme that supplied 75% of the electricity in the Japanese Empire.

Looting South Korea seventy years later—that would be something!

Mentioned repeatedly, but I suspect that China has plans to turn NK into what it was itself a few decades ago: a source of cheap labor for manufacturing consumer goods for the world market.

But living in barracks and working 60-hour weeks for a subsistence wage would be an improvement for a lot of North Koreans at this point.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:18:43am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and watch them build a wall between it and the rest of Ireland?

I sure hope not! I’m hoping that somehow they come to realize that Brexit is a huge mistake and call it off.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:20:59am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:21:11am

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

I sure hope not! I’m hoping that somehow they come to realize that Brexit is a huge mistake and call it off.

Too much Loss of Face involved if they do not go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot, to mix a few metaphors here.

The sad part is that they most likely will wind up with a trade agreement that changes little except shutting the UK out of participation in the decision-making process for the rules they still have to abide by…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:21:28am

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

I sure hope not! I’m hoping that somehow they come to realize that Brexit is a huge mistake and call it off.

The Conservative Party is in power in the United Kingdom.

Conservatism is about gaining and maintaining power regardless of the nation.

The party could say to the referendum, “This is bad for our nation. We won’t implement it.”

No Conservatives are saying that. They want to hold on to their seats in Parliament, and could not care less if the UK economy is damaged.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:22:03am

re: #197 JordanRules

A growing number of Republicans are telling Mueller it’s time to wrap it up https://

Because he has failed to find any evidence of wrongdoing or produce any indictments?

/

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:22:28am

re: #192 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The social and cultural “center” is a lot more liberal and inclusive than the political “center”. That has to do with gerrymandering of House seats and the fact that less densely populous states are over-represented in the Senate.

Remember, as with the Presidential elections, if you count overall Democratic vs GOP votes at a national level, there should be a Democratic majority in Congress.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want my life and livelihood to be totally subject to whether the guy down at the corner store is a bigot or not. Prolly under 10% of employers would DADT or worse their workplace, and I’m sure under 20% of retail and restaurant providers would refuse service to Black people, if the political centre were reflected in that it was legal to discriminate and to be disability-inaccessible again. The problem is, only the minorities of the majority could succeed in actually discriminating. The Black woman owning the Big and Tall shop can’t afford to refuse the patronage of even someone who, it got back to her via the grapevine, is in the local Klavern. But she’s lost access to two supermarkets and 10% of the nice restaurants she was used to patronising herself.

And worse yet, bigots overbreed. If they’re legally free to be bigoted again, people will be raising their children to make even the sociocultural centre being-so-far-left, a short-term aberration.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:25:24am

re: #201 Chrysicat

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want my life and livelihood to be totally subject to whether the guy down at the corner store is a bigot or not.

A lot of our Constitution is about protecting citizens from the Tyranny of the Majority.

A lot of RW talking points are there to convince us that we are being tyrannized by minorities.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:26:01am

re: #201 Chrysicat

Yup. And most of Jim Crow was not legislated, it was culturally-ingrained.

If a white guy owned a business in Dixie and catered to anyone with money, other businesses would point that out and say “you don’t want to shop with those people, do you?”

The effect was to enforce racism even on those who didn’t agree with it, with the penalty of your business going under.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:29:30am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. And most of Jim Crow was not legislated, it was culturally-ingrained.

If a white guy owned a business in Dixie and catered to anyone with money, other businesses would point that out and say “you don’t want to shop with those people, do you?”

The effect was to enforce racism even on those who didn’t agree with it, with the penalty of your business going under.

and if a real estate agent sold a house to a black family in a white neighborhood, he would be shut out of business by his colleagues who would never deal with him again.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:31:19am

*Sigh*. This ends in me blocking her or t’other way round, dunnit?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:33:40am
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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:35:21am

Oh GG, it’s such a cute little game to you.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:40:00am

re: #205 Chrysicat

Corine sounds like a libertarian. “No one would go back to Jim Crow these days if we got rid of the Civil Rights Act.”

Sure, Jan.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:42:11am

A new insult I saw in another place…
“Trumpsters heard of erecting straw men and thought it was a construction project.”

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:44:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:46:21am

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹

Corine sounds like a libertarian. “No one would go back to Jim Crow these days if we got rid of the Civil Rights Act.”

Sure, Jan.

That is what Ron Paul was telling us at one point.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:47:52am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is what Ron Paul was telling us at one point.

His son makes the same arguments today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:48:30am

re: #207 JordanRules

Oh GG, it’s such a cute little game to you.

“Why aren’t the Mainstream Media covering this?” is a good way of rephrasing “Why do the networks think my CS is totally batshit crazy and contrived?”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:48:54am

re: #209 Teukka

A new insult I saw in another place…
“Trumpsters heard of erecting straw men and thought it was a construction project.”

Erecting strawmen and moving goalposts—that’s what they mean by Infrastructure Week™.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:50:32am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Why aren’t the Mainstream Media covering this?” is a good way of rephrasing “Why do the networks think my CS is totally batshit crazy and contrived?”

It would appear that Mr. Greenwalt is losing some of his lustre on the left if he’s appearing on Tucker Carlson’s show.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:52:28am

re: #215 Anymouse 🌹

It would appear that Mr. Greenwalt is losing some of his lustre on the left if he’s appearing on Tucker Carlson’s show.

I am reminded again that “left” and “right” are merely descriptive terms based on the seating arrangement of the 19th Century French parliament.

Those labels have begun to lose all meaning in the shouting match-cum-clusterfuck of modern American political discourse

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 1:56:46am

re: #214 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Erecting strawmen and moving goalposts—that’s what they mean by Infrastructure Week™.

They are good at burning bridges

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:22:10am

I’m off to bed, y’all. Good-night.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:22:44am

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹

I’m off to bed, y’all. Good-night.

see? you get updinged for everything!

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freetoken  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:31:34am

Discovered that Amazon Prime now has Babylon 5, all 5 years. But not the pilot movie.

Amazon has been busy trying to strengthen their video offerings. I guess they are serious about become a major player in the video on demand market.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 2:42:37am

re: #220 freetoken

Discovered that Amazon Prime now has Babylon 5, all 5 years. But not the pilot movie.

Amazon has been busy trying to strengthen their video offerings. I guess they are serious about become a major player in the video on demand market.

I liked Zelda a lot, tried to watch The Last Tycoon but found interesting in places but otherwise lame…too much Mad Men in it.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2018 • 3:46:59am

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:25:56am

Kids in these U.S. hot spots at higher risk because parents opt out of vaccinations

Public health officials have long known that the United States has pockets of vulnerability where the risk of measles and other vaccine-preventable childhood diseases is higher because parents hesitate or refuse to get their children immunized.

Eighteen states allow parents to opt their children out of school immunization requirements for nonmedical reasons, with exemptions for religious or philosophical beliefs. And in two-thirds of those states, a comprehensive new analysis finds a rising number of kindergartners who have not been vaccinated.

In a report published Tuesday in PLOS Medicine, researchers from several Texas academic centers tracked the increasing number of children with exemptions in all 18 states from the 2009-2010 to 2016-2017 school years. They characterized many rural counties, as well as urban areas, as “hotspots” because their high exemption rates put them at risk for epidemics of measles, whooping cough and other pediatric infectious diseases.

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SteelPH  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:29:12am

re: #207 JordanRules

Tucker Carlson always has this confused/baffled expression on his face at all times, as if he has zero concept of what his guest is talking about, or that they’re somehow speaking another language entirely.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:31:20am

re: #223 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Kids in these U.S. hot spots at higher risk because parents opt out of vaccinations

I was discussing earlier how “right” and “left” are at best descriptive terms and often irrelevant.

And the vaccination issue is one of overlap: on one hand we have “left-wing” anti-big pharma, anti-western medicine moonbats, on the “right” we have anti-government, anti-science wingnuts all coming together on this issue and creating a critical mass off stupidity that is endangering lives.

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:37:31am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

See and this scares the hell out of me. I’m a permanent resident. I worry that one fuckup on my part could get me sent back to Canada.

If you do give up on us, swing through Wisconsin so I can send my son with you as a refugee while I start doing something else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:39:57am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

See and this scares the hell out of me. I’m a permanent resident. I worry that one fuckup on my part could get me sent back to Canada.

There are people who seem to take delight in putting this sort of fear and uncertainty in legal residents and naturalized citizens.

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:44:55am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Donahue is a fucking ghoul. I’ll open about a loved one’s suicide here because I consider y’all friends but religion certainly was not lacking in my uncle’s life. Donahue is a pathetic asshole who never misses an opportunity to be the worst Catholic in the country.

My maternal great-grandfather committed suicide in a depressive state after he was forced to retire by the factory he worked for decades at. They were Catholic and my great-grandmother was horrified that he’d not be buried in the cemetery with the rest of the family. Her priest simply said “Trudy, don’t worry. He wasn’t in his right mind. God isn’t like that.”

Evil is as evil does. Adherence to a given faith or lack there of makes no difference in that reality.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:48:14am

re: #228 William Lewis

Her priest simply said “Trudy, don’t worry. He wasn’t in his right mind. God isn’t like that.”

You mean that doctrine was so strict that the Church could not take mental illness into account? That is some fucked-up shit…

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 4:53:01am

today Mrs DM graces me with our nine year anniversary

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I cannot.  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:03:26am
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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:07:54am
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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:10:52am

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Good morning!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:17:18am

re: #233 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

“The day is broke, the sun is riz

I wonder where the birdies is?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:21:36am

re: #234 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“The day is broke, the sun is riz

I wonder where the birdies is?”

just like the US press, waiting for morning tweets

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:28:28am

re: #230 dangerman

today Mrs DM graces me with our nine year anniversary

for those of you keeping score:

once upon a time,
the future mrs dm took an instant dislike to me when we met in college, in 1976.
i wore her down over 6 months when i got all sick and pathetic with mononucleousis.
we dated for four very good years after which we went our separate ways
(actually the future mrs dm re-took an instant dislike to me).
we lost contact immediately - it was too painful

through a number of fates we met again 28 years later and picked up almost exactly where we left off (without the instant dislike)
i proposed as quickly as i could

and we live happily ever after

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:30:56am

re: #236 dangerman

that is an uplifting story

makes me think of the “ones that got away”

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:31:43am

re: #173 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m continually flabbergasted by the shrinkage of acceptably “white” ethnicities. I grew up in the 50s and 60s in what I’m sure would be considered a lily-white suburb. Now I know every racist says something like this—but we’re all friends here, right?—I went to school with kids of every conceivable nationality on earth except African American, and looking back now, I know a huge fraction of those kids are not “white” any more…. It’s really discouraging.

Not to mention the perennial debates over whether Jews should be considered “white”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:33:09am

re: #238 sagehen

Not to mention the perennial debates over whether Jews should be considered “white”.

Remember the discussion of whether George Zimmerman was white or Latino as if they were mutually exclusive?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:34:08am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:34:18am

re: #197 JordanRules

A growing number of Republicans are telling Mueller it’s time to wrap it up politi.co
9:00 AM - Jun 13, 2018

The whole Republican party has become the party of Trump. Except perhaps for McCain, there isn’t a single member of the GOP who is loyal to the Constitution or the rule of law.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:35:48am

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

At the 2010 FIFA World Cup, Paul the octopus became an international sensation when he correctly picked the winner. Now, Russia has Achilles the cat - but will he pick correctly?

If he does not, he will be sold to the Taco Bell franchise at the Gorky Park Metro station.

In Russia, cat feed you.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:36:03am

My AA Sponsor is 87…….. He was a forward arty observer at the meatgrinder Chosin Reservoir during the K. War.

Then he drank and didn’t stop until the early 80’s.

The man stood with me when my parent passed.

Asking for his parents. Fuck

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:37:35am

O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:38:04am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:39:04am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

North Korean TV has aired its first footage of the #TrumpKimSummit. Look out for the handshake/salute confusion 55 seconds in.

They threw fits over Obama “bowing” to foreign heads of state, but when our CinC salutes a foreign general?

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I cannot.  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:43:05am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

DRAMATIC READING! LOUD SPEAKING! Good lord…I know, NK is…different, but holy crap.

Anyone have a translation of that?

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:44:36am

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

Stupid memes, part eleventy billion

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Wasn’t it just sad that Jeffry Dahmer didn’t have any friends after dinner?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:45:02am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They threw fits over Obama “bowing” to foreign heads of state, but when our CinC salutes a foreign general?

The President, as a civilian, is not expected to salute our own military, much less another nation’s.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:51:13am
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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:51:33am

re: #233 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

lol, bad kitteh!

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:51:58am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You mean that doctrine was so strict that the Church could not take mental illness into account? That is some fucked-up shit…

Early 60’s before Vatican II. So technically, yeah. Real world? Decent priests had been tossing that out the window for centuries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:52:30am
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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:52:41am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Donnie is saluting foreign generals now?

1st he cancels their “war games” now he salutes a foreign general from a despotic, murderous regime?

Tell me again how he loves our military?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:53:57am

moron is so full of shit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:54:55am
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:57:01am

re: #197 JordanRules

I suspect that when Mueller was taking down Gotti, he probably had a lot of local politicians telling him it was time to wrap it up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:57:17am

also:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:58:24am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Robert DeNiro wasn’t trying to persuade you. He’s a frustrated citizen. Stop acting like Trump voters need to be treated like children and shielded from harsh words about the monstrous prick Trump is, Maggie.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:58:45am

re: #201 Chrysicat

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want my life and livelihood to be totally subject to whether the guy down at the corner store is a bigot or not. Prolly under 10% of employers would DADT or worse their workplace, and I’m sure under 20% of retail and restaurant providers would refuse service to Black people, if the political centre were reflected in that it was legal to discriminate and to be disability-inaccessible again. The problem is, only the minorities of the majority could succeed in actually discriminating. The Black woman owning the Big and Tall shop can’t afford to refuse the patronage of even someone who, it got back to her via the grapevine, is in the local Klavern. But she’s lost access to two supermarkets and 10% of the nice restaurants she was used to patronising herself.

And worse yet, bigots overbreed. If they’re legally free to be bigoted again, people will be raising their children to make even the sociocultural centre being-so-far-left, a short-term aberration.

I put my three kids in (> average). Grandma Babushka has definitely done her part. How’s everyone else doing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:58:57am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:59:07am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really cannot stand this line of thought.

As if trump voters were totally gonna switch to our side, but then Robert DeNiro said “fuck,” Sam Bee said “cunt” and everyone fainted and became Nazis.

I see it as bringing to great advantage to drag ourselves down to their level, but then again, what does seem to work?

everything is a win/win for them when you have the press and social media working to keep things “balanced”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:59:08am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

also:

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Such an everyman. Who among us hasn’t evicted someone.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 5:59:51am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I haven’t heard about either being interested in running for President but I think both Tammy or Chris would be welcome additions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:00:45am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:02:01am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senator Tammy Duckworth and Senator Chris Murphy have introduced an amendment that “would help prevent the President from making a rash decision about troop reductions on the Korean Peninsula that negatively impacts our national security”

So she just got her new nickname: “Tammy the Warmonger”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:02:10am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Such an everyman. Who among us hasn’t evicted someone.

It’s a mark of success and Winning to have been able to evict someone.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:03:23am

re: #197 JordanRules

A growing number of Republicans are telling Mueller it’s time to wrap it up

Oh, OK, then.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:03:37am

and now for something different!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:04:15am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think Maggie is ignoring willingly or not that DeNiro was expressing how frustrating this reality is to many of us. And yeah we’re going to get fucking vulgar when we describe it. And you know what I’m sick of hearing about “elites” from the people who fucking worship Trump. At least DeNiro actually made his name for himself rather than borrowing 1 million bucks from Daddy when 1 million bucks was a very pretty penny.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:04:37am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So she just got her new nickname: “Tammy the Warmonger”

By whom the Trumpers or the Bros? No snark.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:04:45am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

If only our side had not used guns during WW2, the Germans would have just played nice.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:05:25am

re: #268 Sir John Barron

Oh, OK, then.

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From the people who wanted to investigate Benghazi till the end of time. They can fucking wait. If Trump is as innocent as they claim, they should want him to be thorough as possible. But they don’t want an actual result.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:06:10am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

By whom the Trumpers or the Bros? No snark.

I suppose that one or the other will start promoting that angle: that Trump is the Peace President and the Dems are the hawks

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:06:33am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I suppose that one or the other will start promoting that angle: that Trump is the Peace President and the Dems are the hawks

They already did that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:07:34am

I go a step forward than DeNiro though and say not merely Trump but fuck his enablers in and out of the WH.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:07:41am

re: #272 Belafon

If only our side had not used guns during WW2, the Germans would have just played nice.

on the one hand, there is really nothing to be gained by lowering ourselves to that sort of rhetoric

on the other hand, fuck their feelings

but the magical balance fairy has an odd tendency to of lean harder on the left than on the right

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:08:17am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

They already did that.

they need to start tearing into Tammy Duckworth, they know that she is a potential big candidate for the Dems

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:09:49am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I see it as bringing to great advantage to drag ourselves down to their level, but then again, what does seem to work?

everything is a win/win for them when you have the press and social media working to keep things “balanced”

Being respectful only works if both sides are willing to observe it. But, in a sense, being respectful is a series of little white lies we all agree upon. But lying doesn’t help when the other side is willing to injure, kill, and break laws in order to maintain power.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:09:55am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

From the people who wanted to investigate Benghazi till the end of time. They can fucking wait. If Trump is as innocent as they claim, they should want him to be thorough as possible. But they don’t want an actual result.

The actual result:

Trump surrounded himself with complicit criminal cronies.

Manafort - campaign chair/manager: indicted
Gates - campaign manager: indicted
Flynn - military/foreign policy adviser, transition chair, Trump’s National Security Adviser: guilty plea
Papadopoulos - foreign policy adviser: indicted

Next up:
Cohen: Trump’s personal lawyer
Kushner: the son in law
Junior: dumbass in waiting
Ivanka: complicit (and Eric’s starting to look like the smart one in all this)

But yeah, let’s talk about Hillary’s emails and how she damaged security all while Trump tweets/uses an unsecured phone that is likely tracked/hacked. Or that Trump continues to mishandle classified info and enables those around him to do the same.

Or that Pence used a private email to do government business.

Or that the Trumps did the same - using private email to conduct govt business.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:10:19am

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

on the one hand, there is really nothing to be gained by lowering ourselves to that sort of rhetoric

on the other hand, fuck their feelings

but the magical balance fairy has an odd tendency to of lean harder on the left than on the right

You’re going to get frustrated sometimes. I highly doubt everyone who resisted Nazism, Stalinism, etc was elegant when they spoke out against it. Fuck their feelings. If Trump supporters can’t handle us using vulgar words to describe their President then they need to invest in some of those safe spaces they accuse us of having. As long as Trump continues to be a terrible President with terrible policies, people like DeNiro are going to say what they’re going to say. I for one choose to be more angry at Trump’s actual policies than an actor expressing what a lot of us feel but won’t say because Trumpers are such a bunch of delicate flowers. Duckworth that asshole.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:10:42am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So she just got her new nickname: “Tammy the Warmonger”

I think she already wears that badge with honor.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:10:57am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they need to start tearing into Tammy Duckworth, they know that she is a potential big candidate for the Dems

I don’t know if she’s running TBH. My mom really likes her though. Never seen Mom excited about potential candidates before.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:11:42am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

They already did that.

Yep. Hillary the Hawk.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:13:56am

re: #280 lawhawk

The actual result:

Trump surrounded himself with complicit criminal cronies.

Manafort - campaign chair/manager: indicted
Gates - campaign manager: indicted
Flynn - military/foreign policy adviser, transition chair, Trump’s National Security Adviser: guilty plea
Papadopoulos - foreign policy adviser: indicted

Next up:
Cohen: Trump’s personal lawyer
Kushner: the son in law
Junior: dumbass in waiting
Ivanka: complicit (and Eric’s starting to look like the smart one in all this)

But yeah, let’s talk about Hillary’s emails and how she damaged security all while Trump tweets/uses an unsecured phone that is likely tracked/hacked. Or that Trump continues to mishandle classified info and enables those around him to do the same.

Or that Pence used a private email to do government business.

Or that the Trumps did the same - using private email to conduct govt business.

Exactly. We know why they want it to end. They want it end for the same reason Nixon wanted Cox to end the investigation of Watergate, they know that Cox/Mueller did/will turn up damaging info going directly into the Oval Office. I got a little annoyed and maybe I misunderstood him saying this but I do care about Russia, Jon Stewart, I certainly do care about a former KGB man and now President of a global power trying to destabilize my country, Canada, and other countries by using propaganda to divide the people in our countries. the EU works because together the Europeans work better than as individual nations.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:14:38am

re: #284 Belafon

Yep. Hillary the Hawk.

Donald the Dove. // Shit even Bernie wasn’t exactly as dovish as they claimed. I read stories about how he was very dismissive towards critics of the foreign actions he supported.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:18:05am

And away we goooo.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:19:05am

re: #287 Dave In Austin

And away we goooo.

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I hate Norweigan Nazis.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:19:57am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Note Maggie says “your side” not “our”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:22:42am

re: #289 dangerman

Note Maggie says “your side” not “our”

Maggie just wants us to be good little sheep and be quiet lest we offend the poor widdle Trump supporters by calling their hero for what he is.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:23:34am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Robert DeNiro wasn’t trying to persuade you. He’s a frustrated citizen. Stop acting like Trump voters need to be treated like children and shielded from harsh words about the monstrous prick Trump is, Maggie.

I would add to stop focusing on the word choice as the issue
It’s whats behind the words…what is compelling people to more extreme language

Heinous actions
Frustration
Being dismissed as non citizens

Liberty and Justice for only some…..

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:24:12am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

You’re going to get frustrated sometimes. I highly doubt everyone who resisted Nazism, Stalinism, etc was elegant when they spoke out against it. Fuck their feelings. If Trump supporters can’t handle us using vulgar words to describe their President then they need to invest in some of those safe spaces they accuse us of having. As long as Trump continues to be a terrible President with terrible policies, people like DeNiro are going to say what they’re going to say. I for one choose to be more angry at Trump’s actual policies than an actor expressing what a lot of us feel but won’t say because Trumpers are such a bunch of delicate flowers. Duckworth that asshole.

As a reminder, those who resisted Nazism and Stalinism within their country lost the battle and end up murdered by the state. We have to prevent that from happening here; we are certainly not getting any help from the Republican party. I know there is a lot of disdain toward Bill Kristol here, but we need every ally we have, even those who are as compromised as he. At least he has been consistent from day one on his position toward Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:26:53am

re: #291 dangerman

I would add to stop focusing on the word choice as the issue
It’s whats behind the words…what is compelling people to more extreme language

Heinous actions
Frustration
Being dismissed as non citizens

Liberty and Justice for only some…..

Exactly. We can’t all be fucking Stjepan Filipović and say something like Smrt fašizmu, sloboda narodu!; (Death to fascism, freedom to the people), I know some of you probably don’t like tattoos but I am seriously thinking about getting that inked in Slovene.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:27:04am

re: #268 Sir John Barron

Oh, OK, then.
A growing number of Republicans are telling Mueller it’s time to wrap it up
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Because they are all privy and know exactly what the status of all aspects of the investigations are

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:28:37am

re: #292 Hecuba’s daughter

As a reminder, those who resisted Nazism and Stalinism within their country lost the battle and end up murdered by the state. We have to prevent that from happening here; we are certainly not getting any help from the Republican party. I know there is a lot of disdain toward Bill Kristol here, but we need every ally we have, even those who are as compromised as he. At least he has been consistent from day one on his position toward Trump.

We do need every ally but we need to be wary too. There are some Never Trumpers I definitely trust more than others. Ana Navarro is one I do trust and I’ve come to trust Jen Rubin. And it’s for this reason. They go after the party too rather than acting like it’s just Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:31:40am

Frustrationg is human. I really think most people who tried to shame Bee for the c-word forget that Bee is not only a mother herself but an immigrant. I was annoyed at the c-word too but for different reasons, I thought it took away from the correct point she was trying to get at regarding Ivanka and the entire Trump crime family.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:33:47am

re: #287 Dave In Austin

And away we goooo.

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aint gonna be no Nobel on the basis of lies

Claim: We signed a very, very comprehensive document.
Lie

Claim: We will stop the war games … They are tremendously expensive.
Lie and lie

Claim: In one case, they took billions of dollars during the Clinton regime.
Lies

Claim: He [kim] has given up so much. I gave up nothing.
Lie

Claim: We are paying from 60 percent of [sic] 90 percent of NATO.
Total lie

The article has others

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:34:57am

re: #297 dangerman

aint gonna be no Nobel on the basis of lies

Claim: We signed a very, very comprehensive document.
Lie

Claim: We will stop the war games … They are tremendously expensive.
Lie and lie

Claim: In one case, they took billions of dollars during the Clinton regime.
Lies

Claim: He [kim] has given up so much. I gave up nothing.
Lie

Claim: We are paying from 60 percent of [sic] 90 percent of NATO.
Total lie

The article has others

He lies and they call him a straight shooter.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:35:58am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:35:59am
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:38:04am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Frustrationg is human. I really think most people who tried to shame Bee for the c-word forget that Bee is not only a mother herself but an immigrant. I was annoyed at the c-word too but for different reasons, I thought it took away from the correct point she was trying to get at regarding Ivanka and the entire Trump crime family.

I don’t know if she picked the word to get the reaction
Or if she just tossed it in without any consideration

Either way, the conversation never would have got started in this instance but for that specific word usage

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:39:22am

re: #237 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is an uplifting story

makes me think of the “ones that got away”

I am so fortunate, every day

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:41:09am

re: #297 dangerman

aint gonna be no Nobel on the basis of lies

Claim: We signed a very, very comprehensive document.
Lie

Claim: We will stop the war games … They are tremendously expensive.
Lie and lie

Claim: In one case, they took billions of dollars during the Clinton regime.
Lies

Claim: He [kim] has given up so much. I gave up nothing.
Lie

Claim: We are paying from 60 percent of [sic] 90 percent of NATO.
Total lie

The article has others

War games are expensive? So too is a military that spends more per year than the next 10 countries combined (and that includes spending several times more than Russia and China and Iran and North Korea combined).

The military is expensive, but you signed into law a massive spending hike for the military. Didn’t see you bitching about that. Military exercises are how the military prepares for potential future conflicts. It’s what they do. They need to do those to make sure they are ready if and when called upon.

Flying long distance missions is what the USAF does. It’s how we’ve done it for decades. The two gulf wars included long duration missions with flights starting from bases within the US and ending over Iraq. We had missions in Afghanistan launched from the US as well. Only a know nothing like Trump would make this argument.

Only know nothing supporters like Trumpworld would believe this claptrap - and that’s why he keeps repeating this nonsense.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:41:21am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:45:27am

re: #172 Anymouse 🌹

It’s been suggested to me I might be gay because my penmanship is very close to bookhand-perfect. (Or the lesser version, “You write like a girl” I get around here.)

Well, I’m safe. Unless there is a punishment for indecipherable scribbling.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:46:01am

re: #304 lawhawk

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re: #304 lawhawk

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You were afraid of being primaried by the Nazi Nehlen, Paul, don’t lie. And you know what, it’s nice that you love your kids. So do the families you ruin through your policies.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:46:32am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 6:48:20am

re: #307 lawhawk

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He’s shown that General more respect then many American officers.

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I cannot.  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:00:05am

Sell your coins of Bit…Steve Bannon bought into it.

cnbc.com

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:06:55am

A thought about Trump’s quote being used at the detention center: The left should occasionally use that when referring to the midterms and preparation for 2020 against Trump. Turn his words against him.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:10:01am

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Soooo NSFW. But otherwise very worth seeing.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:10:26am

re: #309 I cannot.

Sell your coins of Bit…Steve Bannon bought into it.

cnbc.com

He’s kinda late to the party. But he joins such luminaries as John McAfee, Dennis Rodman, Roger Ver and Peter Thiel, so he’ll fit right in with the nutjobs and libertarians, whose Venn diagram circles overlap.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:12:22am

re: #310 Belafon

A thought about Trump’s quote being used at the detention center: The left should occasionally use that when referring to the midterms and preparation for 2020 against Trump. Turn his words against him.

Work will set you free.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:12:40am

re: #311 Chrysicat

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Soooo NSFW. But otherwise very worth seeing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:13:05am

re: #313 lawhawk

Work will set you free.

It reminded me of that and also images I’ve seen of the USSR gulags where Stalin’s mug was prominently displayed.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:15:54am
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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:23:48am

Fuck that guy and his birthday.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:27:24am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

I’m so sick of that red pill bs. I’m sure the Wachowskis didn’t intend for their movie to be used by a bunch of overgrown manchildren to put down people. I haven’t seen The Matrix but the way I see that pill stuff is that they were talking about seeing the world beyond yourself. Maybe I’m wrong.

Saw it when it came out, didn’t like it, don’t remember it very well, and much preferred The Thirteenth Floor which came out the same year. Both movies involved living in a computer-simulation, where the inhabitants thought they were in the real world and not the simulation. In any case, red pill had nothing to do with its appropriation by women-haters.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:30:23am

re: #318 Hecuba’s daughter

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:33:50am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

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The problem with them quoting the red pill/blue pill is that they are part of the simulation. Morpheus could state it because he was outside. The people quoting the movie don’t know the “actual truth” any more than the rest of us.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:36:11am

re: #303 lawhawk

War games are expensive? So too is a military that spends more per year than the next 10 countries combined (and that includes spending several times more than Russia and China and Iran and North Korea combined).

The military is expensive, but you signed into law a massive spending hike for the military. Didn’t see you bitching about that. Military exercises are how the military prepares for potential future conflicts. It’s what they do. They need to do those to make sure they are ready if and when called upon.

Flying long distance missions is what the USAF does. It’s how we’ve done it for decades. The two gulf wars included long duration missions with flights starting from bases within the US and ending over Iraq. We had missions in Afghanistan launched from the US as well. Only a know nothing like Trump would make this argument.

Only know nothing supporters like Trumpworld would believe this claptrap - and that’s why he keeps repeating this nonsense.

all true, plus:

- absolutely no one knows specifically how much the joint South Korean-American training exercises cost
- SK pays pays half of the cost of having American troops there

most important:
- one way or another troops still will be trained. if not in this “exercise” then on a different day.

there is no ‘cost savings’

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:36:34am

re: #318 Hecuba’s daughter

Saw it when it came out, didn’t like it, don’t remember it very well, and much preferred The Thirteenth Floor which came out the same year. Both movies involved living in a computer-simulation, where the inhabitants thought they were in the real world and not the simulation. In any case, red pill had nothing to do with its appropriation by women-haters.

I saw some of it in 1999 and thought that it was a well done movie but it didn’t capture my interest at all. I mean film love is subjective but I’m more about plot and character development.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:36:52am

Trump’s Russian BFFs treat him like the bad joke he is.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:36:53am

re: #305 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well, I’m safe. Unless there is a punishment for indecipherable scribbling.

ditto

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:37:01am

re: #320 Belafon

The problem with them quoting the red pill/blue pill is that they are part of the simulation. Morpheus could state it because he was outside. The people quoting the movie don’t know the “actual truth” any more than the rest of us.

They know what they consider their truth to be which is no different than the rest of us.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:37:45am

re: #323 makeitstop

Trump’s Russian BFFs treat him like the bad joke he is.

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Trump says everyone was laughing at Obama but that was him. They were always laughing at him for being a pompous buffoon.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:41:35am

I see a lot of people complain that liberals can be pompous and stuff. And you know what? Maybe I can be but you know how’s taht any different from a conservative Christian convinced his Holy Book is God’s absolute truth. I don’t know if my theological code is correct, I just know it suits me and the way I live. How’s it different from the smug Libertarian you meet that tells you that “Oh you’re a liberal, you don’t understand how economics works because you haven’t read this and this.”

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:45:03am

re: #322 HappyWarrior

I saw some of it in 1999 and thought that it was a well done movie but it didn’t capture my interest at all. I mean film love is subjective but I’m more about plot and character development.

To each is own. I was way more blown away by The Matrix than The Thirteenth Floor. I liked them both, but then again, I’d already contemplated the idea that we could be a simulation. The idea of being forced into a simulation to be used as batteries was way more radical. Plus, the idea that the simulation was a crappy existence rather than a utopia because we couldn’t accept paradise was a pretty good description of humanity (not to mention the idea that we’re parasites).

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:45:07am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:45:10am
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:45:49am

re: #330 Big Beautiful Door

IG report: Comey broke from FBI procedures in Clinton probe.

Still sucks to be Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:46:02am

oh and don’t get me started on people who profess “It’s just common sense.” Really because I feeel common sense demands a progressive income tax structure, a government that invests in its people, and respects people for what they are and doesn’t feel the need to be a dick to people because of their identity if it differs from the norm whether that’s gender, racial, or national.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:46:14am

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:46:31am

Trump didn’t fire Comey because of his mishandling of the Clinton probe.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:46:38am
New York files suit against President Trump, alleging his charity engaged in ‘illegal conduct’

The New York attorney general on Thursday filed suit against President Trump and his three eldest children alleging “persistently illegal conduct” at the president’s personal charity, saying Trump repeatedly misused the nonprofit — to pay off his businesses’ creditors, to decorate one of his golf clubs and to stage a multimillion dollar giveaway at his 2016 campaign events.

In the suit, filed Thursday morning, attorney general Barbara Underwood asked a state judge to dissolve the Donald J. Trump Foundation. She asked that its remaining $1 million in assets be distributed to other charities and that Trump be forced to pay at least $2.8 million in restitution and penalties.

Underwood also asks that Trump be banned from leading any other New York nonprofit for 10 years — seeking to apply a penalty usually reserved for the operators of small-time charity frauds to the president of the United States.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:46:41am

re: #328 Belafon

To each is own. I was way more blown away by The Matrix than The Thirteenth Floor. I liked them both, but then again, I’d already contemplated the idea that we could be a simulation. The idea of being forced into a simulation to be used as batteries was way more radical. Plus, the idea that the simulation was a crappy existence rather than a utopia because we couldn’t accept paradise was a pretty good description of humanity (not to mention the idea that we’re parasites).

I wil give it a second chance some time. My mind’s not set in stone :).

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:46:48am

re: #331 Belafon

Still sucks to be Trump.

I expect he broke with procedure mostly to the detriment of Clinton, but the Right will spin it as “proof” they were out to get Trump anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:47:20am

re: #334 Belafon

Trump didn’t fire Comey because of his mishandling of the Clinton probe.

If he had Comey would have collected his unemployment stub in late January. He fired Comey for the reason he admitted he did to Lester Holt.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:47:58am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

oh and don’t get me started on people who profess “It’s just common sense.” Really because I feeel common sense demands a progressive income tax structure, a government that invests in its people, and respects people for what they are and doesn’t feel the need to be a dick to people because of their identity if it differs from the norm whether that’s gender, racial, or national.

“Common Sense” is a phrase that generally means “I don’t have any evidence, but it feels like the right thing.” In some cases it’s correct, but in others, it’s just used to justify people’s bad choices.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:52:25am

re: #334 Belafon

Trump didn’t fire Comey because of his mishandling of the Clinton probe.

That Russiar thing…..

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:53:06am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

I see a lot of people complain that liberals can be pompous and stuff. And you know what? Maybe I can be but you know how’s taht any different from a conservative Christian convinced his Holy Book is God’s absolute truth. I don’t know if my theological code is correct, I just know it suits me and the way I live. How’s it different from the smug Libertarian you meet that tells you that “Oh you’re a liberal, you don’t understand how economics works because you haven’t read this and this.”

im a liberal because i have read this and that and i do understand how economics works

and for a host of other reasons like
- people should be held personally responsible for misusing their rights - ie 2A
- we don’t separate families or warehouse children (in freakin warehouses!)
- each of the 5 words “liberty and justice for all” matter
- some people need help. some of those people need help because past and present federal, state and city governments do not ensure those five words

actually though, im a non-ideologue moderate. each issue on its merits

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:53:22am

re: #330 Big Beautiful Door

IG report: Comey broke from FBI procedures in Clinton probe.

Full report going to Congress at noon and then should be made public at 2.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:54:06am

re: #341 dangerman

im a liberal because i have read this and that and i do understand how economics works

and for a host of other reasons like
- people should be held personally responsible for misusing their rights - ie 2A
- we don’t separate families or warehouse children (in freakin warehouses!)
- each of the 5 words “liberty and justice for all” matter
- some people need help. some of those people need help because past and present federal, state and city governments do not ensure those five words

actually though, im a non-ideologue moderate. each issue on its merits

I’m proud to be in Camp Hermione.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:56:14am
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 7:58:52am

re: #333 GlutenFreeJesus

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i wish they were there too

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:00:05am

re: #335 wheat-dogg

washingtonpost.com

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:01:51am

re: #335 wheat-dogg

washingtonpost.com

the trump foundation is toast
this is outstanding

the transactions speak for themselves
there will be almost no defense for this (knowing how things are these days)

now think back to the campaign
remember clinton foundation!!!!!!!!!!
remember (barely) but what about the obvious misuse of the trump foundation? - it was there but not much

well someone was working on this all the time since then

bravo

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:01:54am

I am really starting to hate these pneumatic office chairs that ssssssssllllllllloooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwlllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy start losing their charge, and then I am three inches closer to the floor, wondering, “why do I feel shorter?”

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:03:45am
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:03:45am

re: #339 Belafon

“Common Sense” is a phrase that generally means “I don’t have any evidence, but it feels like the right thing.” In some cases it’s correct, but in others, it’s just used to justify people’s bad choices.

it is also a way of saying “everyone else sees this so something is wrong with you
as if…

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:04:25am

re: #347 dangerman

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:05:00am

re: #348 Shropshire Slasher

I am really starting to hate these pneumatic office chairs that ssssssssllllllllloooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwlllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy start losing their charge, and then I am three inches closer to the floor, wondering, “why do I feel shorter?”

Weight for it…. /

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:05:28am

re: #339 Belafon

“Common Sense” is a phrase that generally means “I don’t have any evidence, but it feels like the right thing.” In some cases it’s correct, but in others, it’s just used to justify people’s bad choices.

Yes.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:06:14am

re: #348 Shropshire Slasher

I am really starting to hate these pneumatic office chairs that ssssssssllllllllloooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwlllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyy start losing their charge, and then I am three inches closer to the floor, wondering, “why do I feel shorter?”

its not the chair
its the earth coming up to bite you in the ass

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plansbandc  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:11:06am

re: #236 dangerman

Sometimes it’s meant to be but it has to work it’s way out.

The Flintstones Happy Anniversary

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:11:14am

re: #346 JordanRules

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But all the media reported about was spurious allegations against the Clinton Foundation

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:12:34am
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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:12:58am
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:13:32am

re: #355 plansbandc

Sometimes it’s meant to be but it has to work it’s way out.

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Video

absolutely
it never would have worked the first time
looking back, we had to move on to other things and wait for the cosmos to align itself

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:14:34am

re: #356 Big Beautiful Door

But all the media reported about was spurious allegations against the Clinton Foundation

this is justice grinding slowly
while it may have been obvious from the start all the way back then, it took a lot of time to build this case (im assuming) properly

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:16:35am

This case owes so much to Fahrenthold tracking down the fact that the Trump Foundation was a scam. Trump didn’t set it up properly, solicited donations from others to fund it, and then repurposed the money as it suited him in violation of state and federal laws.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:17:00am

re: #360 dangerman

this is justice grinding slowly
while it may have been obvious from the start all the way back then, it took a lot of time to build this case (im assuming) properly

That lewindowski email. Dayum.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:18:47am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:19:52am

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:22:43am

Trump is soooooo fucked (legal term).

He can’t pardon anyone on this. These are state-level charges, His kids are fucked.

They all used that Foundation as a piggy bank and broke state law.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:25:32am

Oh look, the DOJ report also finds that Strzok and Page weren’t engaged in partisan politics either:

I’m so glad today’s Friday. Oh wait.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:26:50am

Holy George Takei, Batman! It’s Oh My Time!!!!!!

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Winston_Smith  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:26:57am

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They threw fits over Obama “bowing” to foreign heads of state, but when our CinC salutes a foreign general?

Every Republican will salute NK generals, or else.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:29:13am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I hate Norweigan Nazis.

We call them Quislings.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:29:52am

re: #369 sagehen

We call them Quislings.

I know. Felt like channeling the Blues Brothers though :).

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:30:43am

Holy shitsnacks.

I can’t even.

All the right wing fuckers who complained and caterwauled about Clinton Foundation are silent over Trumpworld’s overt criminality and misconduct, especially as it related to Trump’s foundation that was neither charitable nor legitimate.

Clinton’s foundation had all their financials publicly available. Trump tried to hide all aspects of his, but it turned out that Trump was running a money laundering scheme relating to where/how the money was flowing, who he was getting money from, and where it went. Then he lied about every aspect of that too.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:30:54am

re: #233 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Is that a new menu item up against the feeder.

Nice kat. But he is hurting the birdie image! No birds.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:31:40am

re: #369 sagehen

We call them Quislings.

You know how Vidkun Quisling’s story ended? He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress at 02:40 on 24 October 1945. His last words before being shot were, “I’m convicted unfairly and I die innocent.”

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:32:17am
Trump hasn’t donated to his own charity since 2008

There’s a sucker born every minute and given enough minutes you can win the electoral college.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:32:30am

re: #371 lawhawk

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Holy shitsnacks.

I can’t even.

All the right wing fuckers who complained and caterwauled about Clinton Foundation are silent over Trumpworld’s overt criminality and misconduct, especially as it related to Trump’s foundation that was neither charitable nor legitimate.

Clinton’s foundation had all their financials publicly available. Trump tried to hide all aspects of his, but it turned out that Trump was running a money laundering scheme relating to where/how the money was flowing, who he was getting money from, and where it went. Then he lied about every aspect of that too.

Fat Tony Chief Wiggum—What’s A Truck

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:34:46am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:34:47am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:35:44am

re: #373 Teukka

You know how Vidkun Quisling’s story ended? He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress at 02:40 on 24 October 1945. His last words before being shot were, “I’m convicted unfairly and I die innocent.”

I need to learn more about him and the other Nazi collaborators. I’m glad that from what I know of my family in Europe during that time, none did. I have no idea about my German family though and what they did. You can’t choose your ancestors of course. You can of course choose what lessons you learn from them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:36:27am

re: #377 The Vicious Babushka

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Such a putz.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:36:31am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:37:25am

re: #300 Joe Bacon 🌹

Upding for “Tweety Amin”.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:37:28am

So, someone should page the NY AG suit against Trump…

this seems mildly important. :)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:38:34am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:39:56am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

I need to learn more about him and the other Nazi collaborators. I’m glad that from what I know of my family in Europe during that time, none did. I have no idea about my German family though and what they did. You can’t choose your ancestors of course. You can of course choose what lessons you learn from them.

Many of my generation from my fatherland, Finland, learned from an early age how to recognize Fascism from miles away, lest we repeat the mistake of choosing as poor an ally we did during WWII. We paid through our noses for having Nazi Germany as an ally, and there’s a reason why the formal state of war between Germany and Finland only ended in 1956.

And my take with Kim Don Yuge and Uncle Vova & the Kremlin Krew is that I’ve seen the movie before and know how it ends…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:39:58am

re: #319 Chrysicat

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:40:15am

re: #371 lawhawk

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Holy shitsnacks.

I can’t even.

All the right wing fuckers who complained and caterwauled about Clinton Foundation are silent over Trumpworld’s overt criminality and misconduct, especially as it related to Trump’s foundation that was neither charitable nor legitimate.

Clinton’s foundation had all their financials publicly available. Trump tried to hide all aspects of his, but it turned out that Trump was running a money laundering scheme relating to where/how the money was flowing, who he was getting money from, and where it went. Then he lied about every aspect of that too.

This is just amazing. Amazing stuff.

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sagehen  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:40:32am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

I need to learn more about him and the other Nazi collaborators. I’m glad that from what I know of my family in Europe during that time, none did. I have no idea about my German family though and what they did. You can’t choose your ancestors of course. You can of course choose what lessons you learn from them.

Christopher Walken was on Finding Your Roots last year; he knew his father was from Germany, immigrated to the US in the 1920’s, but dad never said a single word about the family he left behind. Not one single word, Christopher knew nothing at all about them.

Turns out, two of his uncles were relatively high-ranking SS officers, committed thousands of murders, hanged at Nuremberg.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:41:59am

re: #383 Hecuba’s daughter

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:44:11am

re: #387 sagehen

Christopher Walken was on Finding Your Roots last year; he knew his father was from Germany, immigrated to the US in the 1920’s, but dad never said a single word about the family he left behind. Not one single word, Christopher knew nothing at all about them.

Turns out, two of his uncles were relatively high-ranking SS officers, committed thousands of murders, hanged at Nuremberg.

Oh wow. Anyhow my direct German line emigrated between the 1830’s and 1880’s so none of that but I did find out from a granddaughter of a second grandmother that her father was on the Eastern Front and got PTSD. And that the family apparently disliked the French and Catholics. Ironic since my great grandfather more or less became a Catholic for my great grandmother.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:45:14am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:46:14am

re: #390 JordanRules

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Yeah but did Obama look good because of it? Answer me that!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:47:59am

re: #377 The Vicious Babushka

“The fabricated No Crime.”

Someone get this fucker a grammar teacher, please!

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:48:08am

The foundation’s money is being held up because the investigation revealed that it was acting improperly all along and that the money in its possession was improperly raised. It was being disbursed improperly.

The entire thing was an illegal enterprise. That’s why the money is being held.

It has nothing to do with Schneiderman.

But since you raise that, let’s also use this as a reminder that two dozen women accuse Trump of being a sex predator who assaulted or harassed them (or both).

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:49:30am

re: #372 ObserverArt

Is that a new menu item up against the feeder.

Nice kat. But he is hurting the birdie image! No birds.

We tried a suet cake but there wasn’t any interest in that we could see over several days so it has been discontinued. Ollie kitteh is counting the peanuts for me.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:49:46am

re: #371 lawhawk

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Holy shitsnacks.

I can’t even.

All the right wing fuckers who complained and caterwauled about Clinton Foundation are silent over Trumpworld’s overt criminality and misconduct, especially as it related to Trump’s foundation that was neither charitable nor legitimate.
…..

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:50:39am

re: #395 Hecuba’s daughter

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

Hey that person’s life didn’t matter much anyhow. They were probably on welfare so it’s fine Trump shot them. // Must I?

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:52:24am

re: #365 lawhawk

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Trump is soooooo fucked (legal term).

He can’t pardon anyone on this. These are state-level charges, His kids are fucked.

They all used that Foundation as a piggy bank and broke state law.

happy anniversary to me re: #230 dangerman

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:53:29am

re: #397 dangerman

happy anniversary to me

A much worthy celebration than that other one of today. Happy anniversary to you both. Many more.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:53:45am

re: #334 Belafon

Trump didn’t fire Comey because of his mishandling of the Clinton probe.

Good luck getting past Nunes, the Freedumb caucus and other Republicans using that as the “good” reason that he did.

The media and the left only heard “Russher” because that is what they wanted to hear.

Ack!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:54:52am

re: #397 dangerman

A very Happy Anniversary to both of you!

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:55:27am

testing…

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Yay! It works!

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:56:06am

re: #401 jeffreyw

testing…

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I think I saw a pussycat!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:56:23am

re: #397 dangerman

happy anniversary to me

Props to You & Your Mrs.!

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I cannot.  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:58:43am

re: #401 jeffreyw

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:58:52am

re: #362 Stanley Sea

That lewindowski email. Dayum.

Stanley…got a Chica update? Has she come out from under/behind the bed?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2018 • 8:59:52am

re: #230 dangerman

today Mrs DM graces me with our nine year anniversary

Congratulations, man. Mrs. Cyborg and I celebrated number 10 last month. Still happy and in love.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:00:08am

re: #371 lawhawk

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Holy shitsnacks.

I can’t even.

All the right wing fuckers who complained and caterwauled about Clinton Foundation are silent over Trumpworld’s overt criminality and misconduct, especially as it related to Trump’s foundation that was neither charitable nor legitimate.

Clinton’s foundation had all their financials publicly available. Trump tried to hide all aspects of his, but it turned out that Trump was running a money laundering scheme relating to where/how the money was flowing, who he was getting money from, and where it went. Then he lied about every aspect of that too.

Incredible: the Trump Foundation treasurer didn’t even know he was treasurer until federal investigators told him.

THIS IS A LIE

lt looks like weisselberg signed the annual reports going back to 2005 as treasurer

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:00:20am

re: #402 Teukka

I think I saw a pussycat!

We’ve been seeing him around. I wanted to see if Imgur’s GIF maker would yield a clip that would post here, Thank you Mr Johnson!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:01:30am

McSpanky is going to be extra unhinged:

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I cannot.  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:02:23am

re: #407 dangerman

They have his name on them…but did he sign them? Or was this “John Barron” signing it?

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:02:28am
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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:03:56am

re: #401 jeffreyw

testing…

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Yay! It works!

Chupacabras

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:03:59am

re: #377 The Vicious Babushka

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They are going to need a lot of air freshener at the ol’ White House today.

Trump has twitter diarrhea and it stinks. Bad.

It will continue all day too. He is upset and the only fight back he has is to try to destroy everything with his crappy tweets.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:04:38am

re: #344 Dave In Austin

Needs buzzard…..

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How ‘bout a vulture?

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:04:46am

I think this is the first time an ‘ally’ has ever white-knighted for a sea lion in front of me; has it happened to any of the rest of you?

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b.d. (De-ICE the USA)  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:04:51am

re: #407 dangerman

THIS IS A LIE

lt looks weisselberg signed the annual reports going back to 2005 as treasurer

ooopsie….

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ckkatz  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:05:06am

re: #401 jeffreyw

testing…

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Yay! It works!

Young bobcat? Particularly looking at the size of the paws and legs compared to the body.

Very nice video and gif!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:05:48am

re: #385 Hecuba’s daughter

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:06:02am

re: #391 HappyWarrior

Yeah but did Obama look good because of it? Answer me that!

$400 million dollar bribe!!! That’s all it took.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:06:50am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

…I know some of you probably don’t like tattoos but I am seriously thinking about getting that inked in Slovene.

Our personal likes and dislikes should have no bearing on your decorations.

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ObserverArt  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:08:49am

re: #401 jeffreyw

testing…

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Yay! It works!

Is that a video of a bob’ on your property?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:08:56am

re: #420 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Our personal likes and dislikes should have no bearing on your decorations.

Oh I know. I just know some people hate ink and aren’t afraid to say it. I don’t judge either way unless it’s a Trump tramp stamp.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:09:50am

re: #407 dangerman

THIS IS A LIE

lt looks like weisselberg signed the annual reports going back to 2005 as treasurer

to clarify - i meant by weisselberg saying he had no idea, not the feds

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:10:17am

re: #422 HappyWarrior

Oh I know. I just know some people hate ink and aren’t afraid to say it. I don’t judge either way unless it’s a Trump tramp stamp.

I’ve seen them when I’m walking on Venice Beach…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:11:26am

re: #424 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ve seen them when I’m walking on Venice Beach…

Whoa boy.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:11:34am

re: #410 I cannot.

They have his name on them…but did he sign them? Or was this “John Barron” signing it?

i dont know the guy’s signature
on the 2005 report its way different and with a different pen than djt’s (who signed as president)

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Jay C  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:11:35am

re: #377 The Vicious Babushka

re: #393 lawhawk

SO: what else would we expect from the Moron-in-Chief when presented with (yet another) criminal accusation from a state AG?

1. Blame it all on “politics”
2. Insult the accusers (“loser Dems’)
3. Toss in irrelevant nonsense (Schneiderman)
4. Sprinkle the tweetstorm with angry defensive buzzphrases (“No Collusion!”)
5. Remind everybody how important he is
6. Dismiss everything (without ever really “answering” any of the charges.

Strikes me as the next-best-thing to an overt admission of guilt, but maybe it’s just the TDS talking….

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:13:30am

re: #373 Teukka

You know how Vidkun Quisling’s story ended? He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress at 02:40 on 24 October 1945. His last words before being shot were, “I’m convicted unfairly and I die innocent.”

We can only pray for such an end to the Trump regeme…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:13:43am

re: #405 ObserverArt

Stanley…got a Chica update? Has she come out from under/behind the bed?

Hey Observ - yes, a bit. They are spoiling her rotten. She’s getting into her normal groove of sleeping under all day & terrorizing at night.

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CongoJack  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:15:28am

re: #427 Jay C

SO: what else would we expect from the Moron-in-Chief when presented with (yet another) criminal accusation from a state AG?

1. Blame it all on “politics”
2. Insult the accusers (“loser Dems’)
3. Toss in irrelevant nonsense (Schneiderman)
4. Sprinkle the tweetstorm with angry defensive buzzphrases (“No Collusion!”)
5. Remind everybody how important he is
6. Dismiss everything (without ever really “answering” any of the charges.

Strikes me as the next-best-thing to an admission of guilt, but maybe it’s just TDS…..

7. Shows his laminated EC Map from 2016, if I was so bad would I have won… FAKE NEWS!

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:16:20am

re: #414 makeitstop

How ‘bout a vulture?

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:17:00am

re: #410 I cannot.

They have his name on them…but did he sign them? Or was this “John Barron” signing it?

oooh - he also seems to have signed some of the annual registration statements

and he’s listed on the IRS 990-PF as treasurer (no signatures required)

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:18:02am

re: #417 ckkatz

Young bobcat? Particularly looking at the size of the paws and legs compared to the body.

Very nice video and gif!

Thanks! Bobat for sure, no clue about its age.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:21:17am

ABC:

NBC:

CNN:

FOX:

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:22:20am

re: #421 ObserverArt

Is that a video of a bob’ on your property?

Yes, we have known there were bobcats in the area for a long time. We have several trail cameras out and have managed to capture several videos and stills, no idea if it is the same one every time but it’s possible.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:23:03am

The FUX NOISE “bombshell” is based on bogus memos obtained from unnamed “Republicans” (who are named Devin Nunes) since the IG hasn’t even released their report.

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I cannot.  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:23:52am

re: #432 dangerman

If it was him, they have his balls in a vice, and if it wasn’t him, they have someone ELSE’s balls in a vice.

Either way…

Need MOAR!
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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:24:06am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:24:33am

re: #431 jeffreyw

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What’s the pile he’s picking at?

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:26:34am

re: #434 The Vicious Babushka

ABC:

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I think we can all agree Fox sucks, but do we really need to manufacture false narratives?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:27:06am

Extraordinary times. Ordinarily it’s fruitless to add to a long list of something on the internet. Even reasons to despise Donald Trump and his admin. Well, it’s exception day.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:27:35am

re: #434 The Vicious Babushka

ABC:

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Fox really wishes HRC were President.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:29:08am

re: #440 danarchy

I think we can all agree Fox sucks, but do we really need to manufacture false narratives?

Since I’m missing a little bit of context (I can’t see if there’s a picture showing), who’s “we” in your statement?

Edit: Never mind, I get it now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:29:12am

re: #440 danarchy

I think we can all agree Fox sucks, but do we really need to manufacture false narratives?

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Fair enough, I did not see that.

However, compare the Fox tweet with the other media outlets and see if you can tell what’s different about it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:31:40am

I blame Walter White

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jeffreyw  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:32:15am

re: #439 Stanley Sea

What’s the pile he’s picking at?

Table scraps, leftover bones from making chicken stock, scrapings for cat food bowls. Biggest customers are raccoons.

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:33:02am

re: #446 jeffreyw

Table scraps, leftover bones from making chicken stock, scrapings for cat food bowls. Biggest customers are raccoons.

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That’s a lot of raccoons

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:34:27am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:35:16am

re: #446 jeffreyw

Table scraps, leftover bones from making chicken stock, scrapings for cat food bowls. Biggest customers are raccoons.

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Well, since you brought it up

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:39:37am

Florida man never let’s me down…

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electrotek  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:44:09am

re: #445 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I blame Walter White

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Thank God the German intelligence was able to keep a close eye on him and arrest him before he could pull something catastrophic.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:45:39am

As good as today has been so far (thank you, NY AG!!), you know what would make it better?

Says Who getting arrested. C’mon, Mueller! You know you want to!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:46:00am

if the lawsuit was just now filed, when was the yam asked “to settle”?

such a moron

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:46:22am

re: #449 Stanley Sea

Well, since you brought it up

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Not that it really makes any difference, but do we actually know if the #mprraccoon was male or female? I have seen different stories using different pronouns. I saw a quote from one of the animal control guys referring to it as “him”, but no real definitive statement.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:46:42am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:46:53am
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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:47:21am

re: #448 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“See, the FBI was biased against Trump!”
“Which is why Comey stood up and announced that they were looking further into Clinton’s email issue, but didn’t announce anything about Trump’s investigation.”
“See, they were helping Clinton!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:48:16am
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danarchy  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:48:35am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

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if the lawsuit was just now filed, when was the yam asked “to settle”?

such a moron

I saw a report earlier that said they offered to settle for a 2.8 million dollar fine and dissolution of the foundation.

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Weaselone  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:49:22am

re: #448 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

How about option 3.

It meant that decent people would vote to keep him out of the White House? I made similar statements prior to the election, it didn’t mean I was running a corrupt Deep State op against him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:50:36am
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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:50:42am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

He doesn’t care. His addled and misinformed supporters don’t care about facts or logic, so why would they nitpick over fact that Trump couldn’t settle a case that didn’t even exist until today when the filing was made.

But it’s also a good time to remind everyone that Trump said he’d never settle on his scam school, and then did so for $25 million.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:51:26am

RICO ought to be used on the Trump Foundation.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:51:50am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

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if the lawsuit was just now filed, when was the yam asked “to settle”?

such a moron

“lingered in their office for almost 2 years” = took two years to build a case.
you know, with exhibits and evidence and stuff

(do i have to say “eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about”)?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:53:05am

re: #434 The Vicious Babushka

‘Foreign actors’ accessed @HillaryClinton emails, documents show foxnews.com

— Fox News

Before or after Drumpf asked the foreign actors Russians to?

not sure if /

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:53:29am

re: #464 dangerman

“lingered in their office for almost 2 years” = took two years to build a case.
you know, with exhibits and evidence and stuff

(do i have to say “eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about”)?

Can’t expect to understand how investigations actually work.

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I cannot.  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:54:25am

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

We should all show up for that…get hired and then sabotage the Trump White House good and proper.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:55:56am

re: #464 dangerman

“lingered in their office for almost 2 years” = took two years to build a case.
you know, with exhibits and evidence and stuff

(do i have to say “eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about”)?

Funny how the guy who wanted to “Lock Her Up” keeps getting into trouble.

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Weaselone  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:56:09am

re: #467 I cannot.

We should all show up for that…get hired and then sabotage the Trump White House good and proper.

The probably still screen for liberals, just not basic competency or morals.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:56:19am

A White House job fair?

Fuck, that’s sad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:56:22am

re: #466 HappyWarrior

Can’t expect to understand how investigations actually work.

we want sensation and bombshells and bullet points, not methodical and efficient work that cannot be reproached legally

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:57:20am

The media never learns….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:57:49am

re: #471 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we want sensation and bombshells and bullet points, not methodical and efficient work that cannot be reproached legally

Well I was talking about Trump. Trump just wants them to ignore his crooked family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:57:59am

apparently there is also an Obama mural at Casa Padre:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:58:50am

re: #472 Dr. Matt

The media never learns….

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Yeah it can’t possibly be that they saw the shit he was into and thought the same thing many of us did. I mean no cop has ever said “Man this son of a bitch needs to fry for this.” Sigh Jake’s ebtter than this.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:59:12am

re: #472 Dr. Matt

The media never learns….

The only time they’ve ever reported on Samantha Bee, it was for one word.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:59:19am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently there is also an Obama mural at Casa Padre:

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Casa Padre sounds like such a freaky place.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 9:59:22am

Trump’s going to lose his shit again.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:00:34am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently there is also an Obama mural at Casa Padre:

When I posted on FB about the mural, I entirely focused on the quote. Trump’s at war.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:00:44am

he sure doesn’t know very much about anything…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:01:29am

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

he sure doesn’t know very much about anything…

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Nice to know that the Speaker isn’t focused on the E frigging PA. But yeah Paul, we’re so happy you’re going to spend more time with your kids. Just resign now and do us all a big fucking favor.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:03:19am

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reporter: Are you confident in EPA Admin. Pruitt?

Speaker Ryan: “Frankly I haven’t paid that close attention to it … I don’t know enough about what Pruitt has or has not done to give you a good comment.”

Fortunately, Ryan doesn’t belong to any legal body that has responsibility for overseeing government activity, like the U.S. Congress.

///

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:04:55am

re: #478 lawhawk

Trump’s going to lose his shit again.

In what way was Comey ‘insubordinate’? Insubordinate to who?

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The Great Eye  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:06:29am

re: #483 Sir John Barron

He broke DOJ protocal with his press conference scolding Clinton and his reopening of he case days before the election. DOJ leadership told him not to do those things.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:06:45am

re: #483 Sir John Barron

In what way was Comey ‘insubordinate’? Insubordinate to who?

I haven’t read any of this — but would it have been to the DOJ? Didn’t they tell him not to release the documents before the election?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:07:38am

re: #485 Hecuba’s daughter

I haven’t read any of this — but would it have been to the DOJ? Didn’t they tell him not to release the documents before the election?

That’s what I was thinking. But Faux I’m sure will try to spin this as being insubordinate to DJT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:07:42am
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:08:16am

re: #461 Backwoods_Sleuth

So NOW The White House Has To Resort To Advertising At Job Fairs To Get Warm Bodies To Fill All Those Vacant (Only The Best And Brightest RIGHT?!)

working in the current white house is a career ender

it’s not hardly your first or even a next stop on your career path

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:08:29am

re: #484 The Great Eye

He broke DOJ protocal with his press conference scolding Clinton and his reopening of he case days before the election. DOJ leadership told him not to do those things.

That’s what I thought. But DJT and his media friends will try to spin this like Comey disobeyed DJT’s DOJ.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:08:47am
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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:09:16am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does this mean that the GOP or Trump has a child trafficking center in the basement under a pizzeria? Among other things?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:09:43am

Trump’s idiotic comment about Korean War servicemembers’ parents talking to him about remains got me thinking and I found out about an incredible hero I never heard of.

en.wikipedia.org

What a life. Make this a movie Hollywood!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:10:00am

re: #472 Dr. Matt

The media never learns….

Agreed, these texts look bad, but what’s the context? What action came from it? Can we see all the FBI texts of the Clinton email investigation or every FBI text regarding the Clinton Campaign?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:10:13am

re: #490 JordanRules

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:10:38am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:11:18am

I had a dream last night that I bought a handgun but was too afraid to shoot it.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:11:42am

re: #493 Sir John Barron

Agreed, these texts look bad, but what’s the context? What action came from it? Can we see all the FBI texts of the Clinton email investigation or every FBI text regarding the Clinton Campaign?

Yep. The report explicitly says there’s no evidence of political bias, so Trumpsters can pound sand. And whatever was done benefitted Trump and hurt Clinton. We know what the spin is, though.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:12:02am

re: #495 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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They are who she said they were and the media said she wasn’t allowed to say because it just angered the Trump supporters and made them more loyal to him. Anyone who actually looked at Donald Trump as any kind of reformer that would clean up shit was incredibly stupid and I have no problem saying that and I don’t care how the triggered Trumpbots feel about that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:12:22am

re: #496 Eclectic Cyborg

I had a dream last night that I bought a handgun but was too afraid to shoot it.

I have no desire to ever own a gun and I hope I never will have to.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:12:33am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

And anyone who had been paying attention was screaming at the top of their lungs that this was happening, but all we got in return was:

But her emails.
but her emails
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:13:28am

re: #488 dangerman

working in the current white house is a career ender

it’s not hardly your first or even a next stop on your career path

“I have this great job lined up for you.”

“Where?”

“Uh, in Washington, with a great firm.”

“Who?”

“You’ll be working with the very best people, in a very big building.”

“Can you at least tell me the address?”

“Uh, trust us, great place, just get off at Federal Center and meet these very fine people who will take you to the place.”

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:13:29am

To be a fly on the wall….

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:14:33am

re: #476 Belafon

The only time they’ve ever reported on Samantha Bee, it was for one word.

and as i beat this dead horse
i dont know if she used it deliberately, or without any thought as a throwaway
i dont know if she was trying to stir things up as she did or not

i am certain, if she had not used that one word, that episode wouldnt have hit anybody’s radar

and worse, that the ‘controversy” was over the use of the word and not the children

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Weaselone  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:15:11am

re: #491 Teukka

Does this mean that the GOP or Trump has a child trafficking center in the basement under a pizzeria? Among other things?

I’m suspecting so, but it might not be a pizzeria, or in a basement. They’re probably running a child trafficking center out of the attic of a bar known for it’s cocktail weenies.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:15:24am

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

he sure doesn’t know very much about anything…

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oversight. whazzat?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:15:52am

re: #504 Weaselone

I’m suspecting so, but it might not be a pizzeria, or in a basement. They’re probably running a child trafficking center out of the attic of a bar known for it’s cocktail weenies.

or a warehouse near the Mexican border…

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:15:59am

re: #502 Dr. Matt

To be a fly on the wall….

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He will likely commit obstruction of justice for the 3,695th time at this briefing. He can’t help himself.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:16:06am

re: #503 dangerman

and as i beat this dead horse
i dont know if she used it deliberately, or without any thought as a throwaway
i dont know if she was trying to stir things up as she did or not

i am certain, if she had not used that one word, that episode wouldnt have hit anybody’s radar

and worse, that the ‘controversy” was over the use of the word and not the children

That’s why I was upset. Not at Bee herself mind you but the media. I think Bee got understandably emotional about the issue since she is not just a mother beut an immigrant. And it maeks her sick what’s happening.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:16:31am

re: #507 JordanRules

He will likely commit obstruction of justice for the 3,695th time at this briefing. He can’t help himself.

I think we’ll actually hit 3,746 but who’s actually counting.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:16:45am

re: #478 lawhawk

Trump’s going to lose his shit again.

Pretty bad headline/tweet, invites conclusion that Comey didn’t do enough, rather than that he did too much, regarding Clinton email investigation. At least I’m sure that’s how it will be spun.

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Weaselone  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:17:26am

re: #506 Backwoods_Sleuth

or a warehouse near the Mexican border…

Yeah, one could actually create a really good conspiracy theory using things that are actually happening.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:17:42am

re: #504 Weaselone

I’m suspecting so, but it might not be a pizzeria, or in a basement. They’re probably running a child trafficking center out of the attic of a bar known for it’s cocktail weenies.

It was called Trump Model Management but it closed down last spring.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:17:51am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:17:55am

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

he sure doesn’t know very much about anything…

Dude, it’s like your job to know about cabinet department work and cabinet department officials.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:18:28am

I really think nothing more than a public show trial of HRC would have satisfied elements of the media and the entire GOP base. They’ve hated the Clintons since I was real young and they have always wanted an excuse to put her on trial for something. When Comney concluded she committed o crime, they lost it.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:19:04am

re: #487 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s almost like Trump spent the entire presidential campaign accusing the Clinton Foundation of doing exactly what the NY AG’s office says the Trump Foundation actually did. Go figure.

heck, if we do it, then it’s likely she does too
(though she wasnt on the board any longer then)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:19:20am

re: #513 JordanRules

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Glad to see a united coalition on this. So 9 more members of the Dem caucus need ot join this for all 49. I suspect some like Manchin and Heidelkamp will chicken out.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:20:28am

I’m out for the night. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:20:42am

re: #515 HappyWarrior

I really think nothing more than a public show trial of HRC would have satisfied elements of the media and the entire GOP base. They’ve hated the Clintons since I was real young and they have always wanted an excuse to put her on trial for something. When Comney concluded she committed o crime, they lost it.

Remember when Ryan, who now can’t be bothered to stay informed about the EPA, made a big stink about denying the HRC campaign access to classified info? What a prkck

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:21:27am

re: #519 Sir John Barron

Remember when Ryan, who now can’t be bothered to stay informed about the EPA, made a big stink about denying the HRC campaign access to classified info? What a prkck

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:21:53am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:22:13am

re: #516 dangerman

heck, if we do it, then it’s likely she does too
(though she wasnt on the board any longer then)

whataboutism

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:23:38am

Trump’s rise in politics is solely due to our triplet sins of racism, sexism and falling for populist conmen.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:24:20am

re: #511 Weaselone

Yeah, one could actually create a really good conspiracy theory using things that are actually happening.

Mueller but it won’t be a theory it will be RICO

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:24:47am

re: #521 Backwoods_Sleuth

Look, they’re the same thing, OK? Not illegal. But they’re totally separate, believe me. I’m the most legit businessman ever. Witch hunt!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:25:04am

re: #524 JordanRules

Mueller but it won’t be a theory it will be RICO

I’d love to see Rudy’s face if Trump and his family are charged using RICO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:25:45am
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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:26:12am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:26:30am

Said it last night but I’m going to go to my grave wondering how so many people thought this guy was a viable political leader. It really makes me weep. I don’t want Trump supporters to look at me as a white guy and think I’m one of them and I don’t want the groups that Trump has made life hell for and see me as an adversary either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:28:21am

re: #529 HappyWarrior

Said it last night but I’m going to go to my grave wondering how so many people thought this guy was a viable political leader. It really makes me weep. I don’t want Trump supporters to look at me as a white guy and think I’m one of them and I don’t want the groups that Trump has made life hell for and see me as an adversary either.

People were fed up with politicians and politics as usual. Trump campaigned as the anti-politician who promised politics as anything but usual. It allowed him to get away with doing and saying things that would have wrecked the campaign or even the career of any professional politician.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:28:28am

re: #527 Backwoods_Sleuth

All those people who bitched about The Clinton Foundation and wanting to see every document and alleging every kind of impropriety better not be complaining that someone’s been paying attention DJT’s own “Foundation”.

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makeitstop  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:28:51am

re: #521 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jesus, they just keep getting dumber.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:29:28am

re: #517 HappyWarrior

Glad to see a united coalition on this. So 9 more members of the Dem caucus need ot join this for all 49. I suspect some like Manchin and Heidelkamp will chicken out the Republicans will continue to chicken out.

Yeah, there are a few Democrats, but the other party refuses to do anything.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:29:28am

Well, this has certainly aged well.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:31:10am

re: #527 Backwoods_Sleuth

In light of this misconduct and total lack of oversight, we are also suing to dissolve the Trump Foundation under court supervision and bar @realDonaldTrump and the other members of the Trump Foundation’s Board of Directors from serving on the board of any other New York charity.

near the end of 2016 trump did sort of announce he would dissolve the foundation.

i wonder why the ny AG wants to ‘supervise’ whatever is left of the dissolution?
hmmmm

here’s a hint:

on the 2015 IRS 990 filing, the foundation actually answered “YES” to “whether the Trump Foundation had transferred “income or assets to a disqualified person.”“

A disqualified person could be trump - you know the foundations’ president, his family or one of his businesses

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:31:35am

re: #530 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People were fed up with politicians and politics as usual. Trump campaigned as the anti-politician who promised politics as anything but usual. It allowed him to get away with doing and saying things that would have wrecked the campaign or even the career of any professional politician.

You’ve said this a thousand times. I know that. I’m just saying that I don’t know how millions of people could seriously think Trump was an answer. I needed to lose a lot of weight at one point in my life, it didn’t mean I felt the need to starve myself. You can be fed up with politics as usual and not resort to embracing the worst elements in humanity in a candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:32:15am

re: #534 The Vicious Babushka

Well, this has certainly aged well.

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Tomi’s such a goddamn hack.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:33:19am

re: #530 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People were fed up with politicians and politics as usual. Trump campaigned as the anti-politician who promised politics as anything but usual. It allowed him to get away with doing and saying things that would have wrecked the campaign or even the career of any professional politician.

from electoral-vote.com today:

Kim may be venal, but he’s not stupid, and he sees this. As long as he says nice things about how he’s willing to denuclearize, and he makes sure not to ask for direct cash payments, he will be able to extract an arm and a leg from Trump. This is the predictable result of electing a businessman as president

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:33:43am
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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:33:49am

re: #531 Sir John Barron

All those people who bitched about The Clinton Foundation and wanting to see every document and alleging every kind of impropriety better not be complaining that someone’s been paying attention DJT’s own “Foundation”.

they will, john, they will.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:34:11am

re: #533 Belafon

Yeah, there are a few Democrats, but the other party refuses to do anything.

Oh I know man, I just would love to see every last Democrat or Democrat caucus member team up on this and show a true united front. There are immigrants in Heidi’s North Dakota and Joe’s West Virginia. I know we can’t get them on everything but this is one issue where I think an united front would really mean something. Where Chuck Schumer of New York and Heidi Heidencamp of North Dakota, two totally different staets can show unity on an issue would really mean a lot. Don’t get me wrong. I’m rooting for them as much as I am Kaine here in Va but I would love an united front.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:34:29am

re: #536 HappyWarrior

You’ve said this a thousand times. I know that. I’m just saying that I don’t know how millions of people could seriously think Trump was an answer. I needed to lose a lot of weight at one point in my life, it didn’t mean I felt the need to starve myself. You can be fed up with politics as usual and not resort to embracing the worst elements in humanity in a candidate.

Millions thought he was the answer, millions more were convinced that he would be preferable to Hillary or that there would little or no difference.

Another smaller group decided our system is due to collapse anyways so might as well elect Trump to speed up the process so we can start over again from scratch.

And people who feel helpless love the chance to raise a finger at authority and that is what appealed to a lot of voters.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:35:05am

Fucking progress always spoils us. It’s how we got W Bush in 2000 and Nixon in 1968. And yeah I know Vietnam was a volatile time period.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:35:09am

re: #503 dangerman

and as i beat this dead horse
i dont know if she used it deliberately, or without any thought as a throwaway
i dont know if she was trying to stir things up as she did or not

i am certain, if she had not used that one word, that episode wouldnt have hit anybody’s radar

and worse, that the ‘controversy” was over the use of the word and not the children

You are right, if she hadn’t uttered that word, the press wouldn’t even be talking about the separation of children that she brought up. As is, they only talk about it in the context of “While Bee was trying to raise awareness of what the government was doing to families, she said a naughty word that we’ll report on endlessly.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:36:37am

re: #542 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Millions thought he was the answer, millions more were convinced that he would be preferable to Hillary or that there would little or no difference.

Another smaller group decided our system is due to collapse anyways so might as well elect Trump to speed up the process so we can start over again from scratch.

And people who feel helpless love the chance to raise a finger at authority and that is what appealed to a lot of voters.

I don’t think you’re getting me. I know the what. What I’m distressed about is the how. In a truly ideal world, Trump is beaten in a landslide, hell in a truly ideal world, Trump gets laughed out of the GOP primaries as a creepy son of a bitch who offers nothing but empty bullshit.

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lawhawk  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:37:25am

Alternative reality.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:38:07am

re: #530 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People were fed up with politicians and politics as usual. Trump campaigned as the anti-politician who promised politics as anything but usual. It allowed him to get away with doing and saying things that would have wrecked the campaign or even the career of any professional politician.

People were fed up with black people showing up on their TVs.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:38:11am

re: #541 HappyWarrior

Oh I know man, I just would love to see every last Democrat or Democrat caucus member team up on this and show a true united front. There are immigrants in Heidi’s North Dakota and Joe’s West Virginia. I know we can’t get them on everything but this is one issue where I think an united front would really mean something. Where Chuck Schumer of New York and Heidi Heidencamp of North Dakota, two totally different staets can show unity on an issue would really mean a lot. Don’t get me wrong. I’m rooting for them as much as I am Kaine here in Va but I would love an united front.

I agree and we’re amoung friends here so I think it’s cool. I’m not on social media railing against the Dems who haven’t signed on yet or anything like that. But a united front would be powerful and is the moral thing to do.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:38:37am

Sorry Wendell. Nothing personal. I just wanted to make it clear that I know what happened two falls ago. What depressed me is how and why it happened. I guess when I’ve been fed up with the usual politics, I look for people that actually offer something than raw anger and resentment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:39:01am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

I don’t think you’re getting me. I know the what. What I’m distressed about is the how. In a truly ideal world, Trump is beaten in a landslide, hell in a truly ideal world, Trump gets laughed out of the GOP primaries as a creepy son of a bitch who offers nothing but empty bullshit.

trump lost by millions of votes, just in the wrong places

as for the GOP, they were so moribund at that point, he was able to game them

none of the other hack candidates wanted to attack him because they all assumed he would flame out and they wanted to be in a position to pick up his supporters

he played that out until he had enough delegates lined up

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:39:17am

re: #546 lawhawk

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Alternative reality.

Trump could repeat 1938 Munich word for word with Hitler and Mussolini and Republicans would convince themselves that Trump stood up strong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:40:20am

re: #549 HappyWarrior

Sorry Wendell. Nothing personal. I just wanted to make it clear that I know what happened two falls ago. What depressed me is how and why it happened. I guess when I’ve been fed up with the usual politics, I look for people that actually offer something than raw anger and resentment.

I am depressed about it too and despite how bad thing have gotten, they have to get worse before anything can begin to improve

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:40:40am

re: #541 HappyWarrior

I don’t think having them all on board will mean much. On the other hand, holding Republicans to the same standard we hold Democrats to will do much more for this country.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:41:43am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:41:48am

re: #550 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

trump lost by millions of votes, just in the wrong places

as for the GOP, they were so moribund at that point, he was able to game them

none of the other hack candidates wanted to attack him because they all assumed he would flame out and they wanted to be in a position to pick up his supporters

he played that out until he had enough delegates lined up

Once again, you’re telling me what I already know. I was here in 2016. I wasn’t born yesterday. I’m frustrated because such a person was viable in the first place. I’m worried about what truly dire economic times could mean for our Planet. That’s usually when people like Trump and others thrive. Trump got elected in a time of national economic prosperity. I know that some of the areas he did well n weren’t as but it was not say 1930’s US where he won. Fascism 2.0 scares the fuck outta me. As Frank Turner has sang, first time it was a tragedy, second time it’s a farce.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:42:12am

re: #464 dangerman

“lingered in their office for almost 2 years” = took two years to build a case.
you know, with exhibits and evidence and stuff

(do i have to say “eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about”)?

To get the upding, you had to say it!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:42:16am

re: #552 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am depressed about it too and despite how bad thing have gotten, they have to get worse before anything can begin to improve

I know you are. But yeah it’s just like I don’t even recognize my country anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:42:58am

re: #554 Dr. Matt

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CAn you imagine hwo our stupid media would react if HRC so much as brought that up let alone gave Pam some nickname lke Bribed Bondi?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:43:34am

re: #553 Belafon

I don’t think having them all on board will mean much. On the other hand, holding Republicans to the same standard we hold Democrats to will do much more for this country.

Oh definitely. I agree on that. Anyhow I’m glad to see so many on board.

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JordanRules  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:43:57am

Ha!!!!!! A for shade as well!

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:43:58am

re: #546 lawhawk

Alternative reality.

Goal posts, moving so far so fast they’re defying natural law.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:44:53am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

I don’t think you’re getting me. I know the what. What I’m distressed about is the how. In a truly ideal world, Trump is beaten in a landslide, hell in a truly ideal world, Trump gets laughed out of the GOP primaries as a creepy son of a bitch who offers nothing but empty bullshit.

there was a lot of thought that the world was going in a particular direction
clinton would win - we all “knew it” because how could he possibly?
there would be cooperation on the world stage
domestically there would be health insurance and other social programs ensuring “liberty and justice for all”
recognition of marriage equality, eschewing discriminatory cake bakers and on and on

not only did we get a republican
we got a miserable excuse for a human being
ignorant, full of hate and in it mostly for what he can skim for himself and family
he’s surrounding himself with some truly despicable people and letting them run wild

then congress abdicated
and the media is doing, - who the hell even knows

perfect storm, trifecta, whatever
pick your metaphor

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:45:12am

re: #550 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

trump lost by millions of votes, just in the wrong places

as for the GOP, they were so moribund at that point, he was able to game them

none of the other hack candidates wanted to attack him because they all assumed he would flame out and they wanted to be in a position to pick up his supporters

he played that out until he had enough delegates lined up

The GOP put up 17 candidates against Dotard and they got their collective asses kicked. That’s all you need to know how fucked up their party has become.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:45:41am

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Fucking progress always spoils us. It’s how we got W Bush in 2000 and Nixon in 1968. And yeah I know Vietnam was a volatile time period.

I was a college student then and the Nixon election had nothing to do with progress. It was Vietnam and the assassinations that decided everything. People were infuriated with the current occupant of the WH and Humphrey suffered because of it. I ended up voting for him, although I supported Eugene McCarthy. The good that Johnson did was overshadowed by the war. It dominated almost every political thought of the time (except for the Wallace voters).

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:46:01am

re: #546 lawhawk

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78% of Republicans say the summit made Trump look stronger on the world stage vs. only 22% of Democrats who say the summit made Trump look stronger, via new Monmouth poll.
Alternative reality.

except for those 78% of republicans, the entire rest of the world knows that trump got played

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:46:34am

Slowly prying the lid off the scumbucket.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:46:48am

re: #464 dangerman

“lingered in their office for almost 2 years” = took two years to build a case.
you know, with exhibits and evidence and stuff

(do i have to say “eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about”)?

Upding for the Alice’s Restaurant reference.

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Teukka  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:47:47am

re: #560 JordanRules

Ha!!!!!! A for shade as well!

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Guidestar platinum is not easy to come by, you practically has to be as transparent as an overhead sheet.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:48:52am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

I don’t think you’re getting me. I know the what. What I’m distressed about is the how. In a truly ideal world, Trump is beaten in a landslide, hell in a truly ideal world, Trump gets laughed out of the GOP primaries as a creepy son of a bitch who offers nothing but empty bullshit.

None of the GOP candidates in 2016 offered anything but empty bullshit. Trump did it the best. Between that and the expedited coarsening of the GOP in the last 10-12 years (a combination of losing the culture war, the economic disaster of the end of the Bush Administration, and the growing xenophobia of aging white people), a candidate like Trump makes sense. Unfortunately, the GOP doesn’t have the internal mechanics that the Democratic Party has to prevent a disaster nomination like Trump.

As for the general, we’ve had the discussion before, but I think Clinton was simply the perfect foil for him.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:50:40am

re: #563 Dr. Matt

The GOP put up 17 candidates against Dotard and they got their collective asses kicked. That’s all you need to know how fucked up their party has become.

If there had been only 4 candidates to start, Trump may not have won the nomination. Too many candidates often divide the vote and let extremists emerge victorious.

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retired cynic  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:50:43am

In an opinion piece in WaPo, Jim Hoagland thinks that by attacking Justin Trudeau and the G6 that he is laying the groundwork for pulling out of the World Trade Organization.

I would not be a bit surprised.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:50:45am

re: #564 Hecuba’s daughter

I was a college student then and the Nixon election had nothing to do with progress. It was Vietnam and the assassinations that decided everything. People were infuriated with the current occupant of the WH and Humphrey suffered because of it. I ended up voting for him, although I supported Eugene McCarthy. The good that Johnson did was overshadowed by the war. It dominated almost every political thought of the time (except for the Wallace voters).

True. I misspoke. Thanks.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:51:35am

re: #567 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Upding for the Alice’s Restaurant reference.

re: #556 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

i guess i did have to say it

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:51:40am

re: #569 KGxvi

None of the GOP candidates in 2016 offered anything but empty bullshit. Trump did it the best. Between that and the expedited coarsening of the GOP in the last 10-12 years (a combination of losing the culture war, the economic disaster of the end of the Bush Administration, and the growing xenophobia of aging white people), a candidate like Trump makes sense. Unfortunately, the GOP doesn’t have the internal mechanics that the Democratic Party has to prevent a disaster nomination like Trump.

As for the general, we’ve had the discussion before, but I think Clinton was simply the perfect foil for him.

I think you’re right. I think she was teh right candidate but I do think you’re right. She was a perfect foil for him. Fortunately, I don’t see him having the same benefit in 2020.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:51:58am

re: #555 HappyWarrior

Once again, you’re telling me what I already know. I was here in 2016. I wasn’t born yesterday. I’m frustrated because such a person was viable in the first place. I’m worried about what truly dire economic times could mean for our Planet. That’s usually when people like Trump and others thrive. Trump got elected in a time of national economic prosperity. I know that some of the areas he did well n weren’t as but it was not say 1930’s US where he won. Fascism 2.0 scares the fuck outta me. As Frank Turner has sang, first time it was a tragedy, second time it’s a farce.

If I lived in America I would be depressive and on drinking or on drugs.

As it is I am in Europe and just hope that the tidal wave does not swamp us here too badly

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:52:43am

re: #573 dangerman

i guess i did have to say it

It never gets old. Never.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:53:00am

re: #562 dangerman

there was a lot of thought that the world was going in a particular direction
clinton would win - we all “knew it” because how could he possibly?
there would be cooperation on the world stage
domestically there would be health insurance and other social programs ensuring “liberty and justice for all”
recognition of marriage equality, eschewing discriminatory cake bakers and on and on

not only did we get a republican
we got a miserable excuse for a human being
ignorant, full of hate and in it mostly for what he can skim for himself and family
he’s surrounding himself with some truly despicable people and letting them run wild

then congress abdicated
and the media is doing, - who the hell even knows

perfect storm, trifecta, whatever
pick your metaphor

Yeah I really naively thought we as a nation were headed in the right direction and we were I still believe but I ignored history. I ignored that progress causes backlash.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:53:58am

re: #575 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If I lived in America I would be depressive and on drinking or on drugs.

As it is I am in Europe and just hope that the tidal wave does not swamp us here too badly

I’m honestly not depressed or resorting to overdrinking/drugging but it does sadden me. THis fall will be 10 years since Obama got elected. I really believed that would be a new beginning and in its own way it was but for something far worse. Not Obama’s fault obviously.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:55:10am

re: #577 HappyWarrior

Yeah I really naively thought we as a nation were headed in the right direction and we were I still believe but I ignored history. I ignored that progress causes backlash.

i remind you that virtually no one, including the trump campaign actually thought he could or would win

1-2% possible, yeah. probable, no.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:56:26am

re: #576 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

It never gets old. Never.

Played every Thanksgiving day in my household.

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danarchy  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:56:35am

re: #565 dangerman

except for those 78% of republicans, the entire rest of the world knows that trump got played

78% of republicans 46% of independents and 22% of democrats.

I’d like to know who those democrats are.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:56:40am

re: #566 jaunte

Slowly prying the lid off the scumbucket.

What about Clinton Foundation corrupt Our MAGA President is going broke saving America why don’t you praise him for stock market economy and piece!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:56:47am

re: #579 dangerman

i remind you that virtually no one, including the trump campaign actually thought he could or would win

1-2% possible, yeah. probable, no.

Which is why people who got wrong at Nate Silver were wrong. People don’t understand probability theory. Just because I have little chance of being in a plane crash doesn’t mean that plane crash can’t happen.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:57:22am

re: #581 danarchy

78% of republicans 46% of independents and 22% of democrats.

I’d like to know who those democrats are.

I have no idea. Nearly half of independents is depressing even if a lot of them are just Republicans in denial.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:57:22am

Shocked, shocked I say

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Winston_Smith  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:57:48am

re: #583 HappyWarrior

I think the Russians were 100% sure about who was going to win.

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Chrysicat  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:59:20am

re: #570 Hecuba’s daughter

If there had been only 4 candidates to start, Trump may not have won the nomination. Too many candidates often divide the vote and let extremists emerge victorious.

As pointed out literally the post above you, you couldn’t have picked even four who weren’t nearly as bad. We”d just be getting one-party-system fascism thrust upon us rather than the strongman flavour.

Assuming, of course, that HRC still lost and still had reverse coattails.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 14, 2018 • 10:59:22am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

I’m honestly not depressed or resorting to overdrinking/drugging but it does sadden me. THis fall will be 10 years since Obama got elected. I really believed that would be a new beginning and in its own way it was but for something far worse. Not Obama’s fault obviously.

I remember sitting up all night here watching the election returns, I could have gone to bed earlier, but I wanted to see the reaction from Fox News

But then the absolutely virulent way that the Right took to attacking him, basically accepting the most spurious or contradictory claims and charges as long as they were anti-Obama really showed me what our nation was heading for

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:00:08am

re: #586 Skip Intro

I think the Russians were 100% sure about who was going to win.

I dunno. I think it shocked even them. But it definitely was an investment well made by them wasn’t it? The old geezers in their Dachas probably shocked that it was that easy to get us. It’s a good thing the USSR never thought to use far right movements. Putin’s methodology has some almost brilliance ot it the way he’s able to use far left/right to divide the center left/right political consensus.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:00:13am

re: #560 JordanRules

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:00:54am

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:01:49am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:01:52am

re: #588 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember sitting up all night here watching the election returns, I could have gone to bed earlier, but I wanted to see the reaction from Fox News

But then the absolutely virulent way that the Right took to attacking him, basically accepting the most spurious or contradictory claims and charges as long as they were anti-Obama really showed me what our nation was heading for

I had just started my job a few weeks prior. I was confident of victory. I had a dental appointment earlier that week and Itold the hygienist when she asked me, I told her I thought Clinton would win but yes the Anti-Obama stuff showed me the same things it did you but I guess I thought since we had survived Romney in 2012. In some ways, Trump did prove some of what RW assohles like Limbaugh have said about their base for years. But you know, tehre’es another thing to it and those are the Obama voters turned Trump voters. I want to know who the fuck those people are and shake them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:01:57am

re: #574 HappyWarrior

I think you’re right. I think she was teh right candidate but I do think you’re right. She was a perfect foil for him. Fortunately, I don’t see him having the same benefit in 2020.

It is possible that Biden may have defeated Trump if he had entered the fray but maybe not. He didn’t have Hillary’s liabilities, nor did he have her assets. The media would not have focused on his emails, but they still would have treated Trump with kid gloves. It would have been an entirely different campaign — and voters may still have gone with the “outsider”. Of course, nobody would have been telling a defeated Biden that he should shut up and go away.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:02:24am

re: #570 Hecuba’s daughter

If there had been only 4 candidates to start, Trump may not have won the nomination. Too many candidates often divide the vote and let extremists emerge victorious.

Doubt it. You’re giving too much credit to GOP cult voters. Plus, the majority of time when Dotard won a primary state, he still had more votes than the next 3 candidates. The GOP cult voters wanted Dotard, and they got him.

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KGxvi  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:02:25am

re: #574 HappyWarrior

I think you’re right. I think she was teh right candidate but I do think you’re right. She was a perfect foil for him. Fortunately, I don’t see him having the same benefit in 2020.

One of the major failings of the Obama Era Democratic Party is that they failed to build much of a bench.* Republicans dominated gubernatorial and senate elections, and since that’s where most presidential candidates come from, there just wasn’t anyone available to challenge Clinton in 2016 the way Obama did in 2008.

*I’m not blaming Obama, per se. It was a party wide failure. And that probably includes Jerry Brown deciding he wanted to be governor again in 2010; or Rory Reid in Nevada the same year (I don’t know enough about Nevada politics, but it always felt like they cleared the field for him in a way that never seems to work for Democrats).

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:03:33am

re: #591 darthstar

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So he’s not denying the charge….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:03:46am

re: #594 Hecuba’s daughter

It is possible that Biden may have defeated Trump if he had entered the fray but maybe not. He didn’t have Hillary’s liabilities, nor did he have her assets. The media would not have focused on his emails, but they still would have treated Trump with kid gloves. It would have been an entirely different campaign — and voters may still have gone with the “outsider”. Of course, nobody would have been telling a defeated Biden that he should shut up and go away.

I honestly don’t know. Biden’s son dying did change things but I think people overestimate Biden as a top of the ticket guy. Don’t get me wrong. Best VP of my life and I’d say anyone here’s life but Biden’s the kind of guy who I think would have had problems as a top of the ticket guy. That said, I do think he would have and still do think he would make a good President.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:04:10am

re: #592 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

I recently discovered my pooch likes watching track runners on TV. She has always ignored the TV until recently I was surfing through collegiate track and field and she was glued to the screen watching the runners.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:04:46am
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:05:27am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:05:36am

re: #596 KGxvi

One of the major failings of the Obama Era Democratic Party is that they failed to build much of a bench.* Republicans dominated gubernatorial and senate elections, and since that’s where most presidential candidates come from, there just wasn’t anyone available to challenge Clinton in 2016 the way Obama did in 2008.

*I’m not blaming Obama, per se. It was a party wide failure. And that probably includes Jerry Brown deciding he wanted to be governor again in 2010; or Rory Reid in Nevada the same year (I don’t know enough about Nevada politics, but it always felt like they cleared the field for him in a way that never seems to work for Democrats).

Yeah our bench dried up and HRC was left with Bernie as her best challenger. I was disappointed O’Malley didn’t do better but he did poorly in more ways than one. I like our bench going forward. I do think what’s unfortunate though is there wasn’t someone who could have legitimately been to HRC’s left but also far more practical and thoughtufl than Sanders.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:05:56am

re: #596 KGxvi

One of the major failings of the Obama Era Democratic Party is that they failed to build much of a bench.* Republicans dominated gubernatorial and senate elections, and since that’s where most presidential candidates come from, there just wasn’t anyone available to challenge Clinton in 2016 the way Obama did in 2008.

*I’m not blaming Obama, per se. It was a party wide failure. And that probably includes Jerry Brown deciding he wanted to be governor again in 2010; or Rory Reid in Nevada the same year (I don’t know enough about Nevada politics, but it always felt like they cleared the field for him in a way that never seems to work for Democrats).

After the reaction I’ve seen since Trump took office, where we’ve finally got people running everywhere, I think a big portion of that is many Democratic constituents thought someone else would take care of it. I think lots of people thought we were doing OK, and we’d reached a point where nothing could happen to the progress.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:07:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:08:26am

HRC’s curse if you will and she got at this actually is people like her when she’s in office. Look at how she was received as a SoS and Senator and FLOTUS but as a candidate, that’s where she has troubles. That’s what I tried telling my brothers when they unfortunaetly bought a lot of Bro bs about her.

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darthstar  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:08:39am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:08:51am

re: #603 Belafon

After the reaction I’ve seen since Trump took office, where we’ve finally got people running everywhere, I think a big portion of that is many Democratic constituents thought someone else would take care of it. I think lots of people thought we were doing OK, and we’d reached a point where nothing could happen to the progress.

That has been one positive side effect of te Trump election.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:09:21am

re: #583 HappyWarrior

Which is why people who got wrong at Nate Silver were wrong. People don’t understand probability theory. Just because I have little chance of being in a plane crash doesn’t mean that plane crash can’t happen.

I have a friend who was fairly certain even back in February 2016 that Trump was likely to win. He had acquaintances in Florida who were elderly Holocaust survivors who told him that the Trump campaign was reminiscent of Hitler campaigns.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:09:48am

re: #602 HappyWarrior

Yeah our bench dried up and HRC was left with Bernie as her best challenger. I was disappointed O’Malley didn’t do better but he did poorly in more ways than one. I like our bench going forward. I do think what’s unfortunate though is there wasn’t someone who could have legitimately been to HRC’s left but also far more practical and thoughtufl than Sanders.

Yeah, it was, and is, a strange time. Not much makes sense.

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:10:20am

re: #580 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Played every Thanksgiving day in my household.

Still got it on vinly

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dangerman  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:11:27am

re: #583 HappyWarrior

Which is why people who got wrong at Nate Silver were wrong. People don’t understand probability theory. Just because I have little chance of being in a plane crash doesn’t mean that plane crash can’t happen.

Yup that’s why I wrote it that way

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:11:52am

re: #609 Sir John Barron

Yeah, it was, and is, a strange time. Not much makes sense.

It certainly is. I’ve found myself more in agreement about Trumpism with some old time conservatives like Will and Rubin than lefties like Sanders who stupidly think Trumpism is a populist backlash when it’s really just a racist backlash.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 14, 2018 • 11:12:11am

re: #611 dangerman

Yup that’s why I wrote it that way

Yeah you got it. too bad a lot of people do not.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 14, 2018 • 12:36:37pm

re: #397 dangerman

happy anniversary to me

Congrats. The wife and my anniversary is the 18th. It will be 19 years.


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