A Beautiful Music Break: Violents & Monica Martin, Tiny Desk Concert

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Bob Boilen | June 5, 2017 — The last time we saw singer Monica Martin at the Tiny Desk she was singing with Phox, her folky, poppy band based in Madison, Wisconsin. But, while that band is on hiatus, Martin took time to walk into the world of Violents, the project of pianist, string arranger and songwriter Jeremy Larson. Larson and Martin make a lovely pair and have created a subtle, soulful record — Awake And Pretty Much Sober — that benefits greatly from Laron’s classical training.

It’s the first full-length Jeremy Larson has released as Violents, a project that, generally, sees him joined by a different singer each outing, resulting in an EP. Clearly there was a chemistry driving these sessions, inspiring and stretching the two artists into creating a full-sized work.

Here at the Tiny Desk they performed with the string quartet Rootstock Republic, which they only had met earlier in the week. In fact, this was filmed during the first week Violents had ever performed live! It’s a special collaboration you shouldn’t miss — actually I almost did, running from a late train, coming from New York. If Stephen Thompson had not stopped the band to wait just a few minutes I’d have missed this rare treat. Enjoy.

Awake And Pretty Much Sober is available now:
iTunes: itunes.apple.com
Amazon: amazon.com

Set List
“Equal Powers”
“Unraveling”
“Spark”

Musicians
Jeremy Larson (piano); Monica Marten (vocals); Juliette Jones (violin); Jessica McJunkins (violin); Kristine Kruta (cello); Jarvis Benson (viola)

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Niki Walker; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Bronson Arcuri, Colin Marshall; Photo: Claire Harbage/NPR.

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Danack  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:19:30pm

….it’s not good when your lawyers are blindsided by something that everyone else expected to happen.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:23:26pm

re: #1 Danack

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….it’s not good when your lawyers are blindsided by something that everyone else expected to happen.

They were all on Fox attacking Hillary.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:26:58pm

Trump’s lawyers are not very sharp are they?

All the best and all…

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:29:34pm

re: #3 ObserverArt

Trump’s lawyers are not very sharp are they?

All the best and all…

I’m thinking that Trump’s lawyers probably reckoned that Manafort would be jailed for violating the conditions of his bail. However, I’m also fairly certain they told Trump that nothing of the sort would happen because they’re toadies and sycophants.

As a result, they all put on their best “I’m shocked - shocked, I tell you” faces when the news broke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:32:52pm
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Jay C  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:35:51pm

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

I’m thinking that Trump’s lawyers probably reckoned that Manafort would be jailed for violating the conditions of his bail. However, I’m also fairly certain they told Trump that nothing of the sort would happen because they’re toadies and sycophants.

As a result, they all put on their best “I’m shocked - shocked, I tell you” faces when the news broke.

SRSLY. Speculation (and not just gassy punditizing - a LOT of thoughts on the matter from legal folks who knew WTH they were talking about) was that Paul Manafort was going to get booked into the Graybar Resort - speculation from the minute he was busted on the witness-tampering charge, and appearing in print and online media all week.
And now, come Friday, and Manafort goes to slam, and Trump’s “legal team” are all surprised….????

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meteor  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:38:52pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:39:22pm

re: #6 Jay C

I’m not a lawyer myself, but I’d find it hard to imagine an actual lawyer would be surprised that Manafort ended up in the slammer.

Compounding the problem is that in surrounding himself with lackeys and lickspittles, Trump is being turned into a mushroom - kept in the dark and fed a steady diet of bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:43:07pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:43:27pm

re: #8 Dr Lizardo

At least mushrooms taste good when you cook them. DT mushroom will not taste good no matter what happens.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:46:00pm

Unbelievable that this dead-eyed homunculus is helping set racist policy for the whole country.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:48:25pm

re: #11 jaunte

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Unbelievable that this dead-eyed homunculus is helping set racist policy for the whole country.

If Miller had his way he would execute the kids.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:50:32pm

re: #8 Dr Lizardo

I’m not a lawyer myself, but I’d find it hard to imagine an actual lawyer would be surprised that Manafort ended up in the slammer.

Compounding the problem is that in surrounding himself with lackeys and lickspittles, Trump is being turned into a mushroom - kept in the dark and fed a steady diet of bullshit.

Lying to the liar. Great plan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:54:24pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:55:50pm

re: #13 ObserverArt

Lying to the liar. Great plan.

It’s nothing new, really; we’ve seen it time and time again throughout history.

That oft-parodied scene from Der Untergang shows us what happens when truth and reality finally catch up and burst through the bubble of lies and self-deception. And it ain’t pretty, that’s for sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:55:59pm
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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:57:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 12:58:32pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:02:42pm

re: #15 Dr Lizardo

It’s nothing new, really; we’ve seen it time and time again throughout history.

That oft-parodied scene from Der Untergang shows us what happens when truth and reality finally catch up and burst through the web of lies and self-deception. And it ain’t pretty, that’s for sure.

Really. It’s a hell of a way to get the facts into your client’s head…no matter how addled or uncaring he is.

Sure, they are doing everything they can to keep him protected. But that shouldn’t prevent them from educating the client as to what he faces.

So, everyone lies and if it comes the time he does have to testify, all you are going to get is babble.

Garbage in. Garbage out. Trump Style!

Unless, they are going to say in his defense he is suffering dementia or some other wild defense for why he doesn’t know shit.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:05:27pm

“…Texas Republicans had plenty to pray for Saturday: Sinners, the President and for divine healing of their ruptured state party, preferably by Nov. 5.

There were prayers not only on abortion, morality and decency, but also on greed and corruption.

Yet not once did anyone mention those children already born but now sent by the hundreds to tent camps like the new one in Tornillo, where the temperature this week will reach 103 degrees.
…..snip…..
Burleson activist Maggie Wright, a staunch Cruz backer, now also supports Trump.

“We’re behind the president because, what’s the alternative?” she asked

“He’s talked more about God than any of our presidents. He’s put prayer back in the White House.”

Read more here: star-telegram.com
Read more here: star-telegram.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:07:07pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:11:37pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Beto O’Rourke]

Some people age while serving in office. He’s aging on the campaign trail.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:13:04pm

re: #11 jaunte

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Unbelievable that this dead-eyed homunculus is helping set racist policy for the whole country.

He’s a fucking terrorist.

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Ace Rothstein  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:14:50pm

re: #20 jaunte

If their God is “in control” as they like to say, then what’s the purpose of them praying for and against shit?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:16:37pm

re: #24 Ace Rothstein

If their God is “in control” as they like to say, then what’s the purpose of praying against all the shit that they hate?

Apparently, their god is perfectly OK to sit back and do jack shit unless one of his little peons begs hard enough.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:16:55pm

re: #24 Ace Rothstein

“Forget it, Ace, it’s Fellowshiptown.”

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:17:40pm

Ponder the inherent bullshit of a pro-Trump “Fellowship” Rally.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:18:15pm

Welcome Lickspittles!

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:20:19pm

re: #25 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Apparently, their god is perfectly OK to sit back and do jack shit unless one of his little peons begs hard enough.

My priest likes to say that Christianity and prayer isn’t about changing God’s mind about us - he already loves us - but changing our minds about God. When we do, in the power of that love we do what is right rather than what is profitable or powerful or keeps us from being scared of the other. When we do, we love our neighbor as ourselves but we have to understand from accepting that God loves us that we can be lovable and that we really can love ourselves. Once that happens, the rest follows as the fundamentalist lies fall away.

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Jay C  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:20:56pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

Some people age while serving in office. He’s aging on the campaign trail.

He’ll be 46 in September: maybe he thinks the folks want to see a little more “senatorial” figure on the podium?

Then again, campaigning in Texas in the summer would probably age anyone….

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wrenchwench  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:24:38pm

re: #30 Jay C

He’ll be 46 in September: maybe he thinks the folks want to see a little more “senatorial” figure on the podium?

Then again, campaigning in Texas in the summer would probably age anyone….

He did start out very young-looking. Also very young. El Paso city council. And he’s been to ALL of Texas’s counties. Texas has a fuck of a lot of counties.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:25:16pm
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Jenner7  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:26:21pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:30:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:31:22pm
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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:32:07pm

re: #24 Ace Rothstein

If their God is “in control” as they like to say, then what’s the purpose of them praying for and against shit?

“When I was back there in seminary school there was a person there who put for the proposition that you can petition the lord with prayer…”

oh why bother…

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scottslemmons  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:32:17pm

re: #20 jaunte

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Read more here: star-telegram.com
Read more here: star-telegram.com

I keep wishing I could tell ‘em how that forgiveness and absolution stuff really works, just to freak ‘em out hard.

They all seem to think forgiveness is easy. Pray every night, “Forgive me for my sins, blah blah blah, get to it, Jesus bitch!” and you’ll get your free pass into Heaven.

But you’re supposed to show genuine contrition. Not “I said the words, make with the forgiveness,” and not “Forgive me, I don’t wanna get punished and go to hell.” It’s gotta be “Fuck me, I did something fucking awful, and I feel like shit because I should’ve been better, and I swear I’m never doing that crap again” — and meaning it.

If you pray for forgiveness, then go back and do the same sin over and over and over, you’re not actually sorry, and you’re not getting forgiven. If you pray for forgiveness just so you can get rewarded or escape punishment, you’re not getting forgiven.

A lot of churches seem to push the idea that prayer is an exploitable loophole — sin all you want, toss off a half-assed conversion on your deathbed, and stroll into Heaven, laughing all the way. What a sucker that God dude is! It’s like a career crook expecting to get his customary slap-on-the-wrist from the judge because he always combs his hair, wears a nice suit, and tells the judge his days of stealing cars are over for good.

Anyway, not that my opinion matters much, ‘cause I’m a non-believer anyway, except where Eris is concerned…

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:38:05pm

re: #37 scottslemmons

I keep wishing I could tell ‘em how that forgiveness and absolution stuff really works, just to freak ‘em out hard.

They all seem to think forgiveness is easy. Pray every night, “Forgive me for my sins, blah blah blah, get to it, Jesus bitch!” and you’ll get your free pass into Heaven.

But you’re supposed to show genuine contrition. Not “I said the words, make with the forgiveness,” and not “Forgive me, I don’t wanna get punished and go to hell.” It’s gotta be “Fuck me, I did something fucking awful, and I feel like shit because I should’ve been better, and I swear I’m never doing that crap again” — and meaning it.

If you pray for forgiveness, then go back and do the same sin over and over and over, you’re not actually sorry, and you’re not getting forgiven. If you pray for forgiveness just so you can get rewarded or escape punishment, you’re not getting forgiven.

A lot of churches seem to push the idea that prayer is an exploitable loophole — sin all you want, toss off a half-assed conversion on your deathbed, and stroll into Heaven, laughing all the way. What a sucker that God dude is! It’s like a career crook expecting to get his customary slap-on-the-wrist from the judge because he always combs his hair, wears a nice suit, and tells the judge his days of stealing cars are over for good.

Anyway, not that my opinion matters much, ‘cause I’m a non-believer anyway, except where Eris is concerned…

The phrase for this is “Cheap Grace”. Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote a book about opposing that in Christianity. Putting it into practice cost him his life.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:38:42pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
I thought you only rated dogs - this is clearly a bear!

4:27 PM - Jun 16, 2018

They’re all good dogs Chris.

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William Lewis  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:39:06pm

And now off to work at the Kwick Trip. Wee ha hooie…

See you all later.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:39:17pm

Sheesh!

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:39:51pm

re: #37 scottslemmons

…What a sucker that God dude is! It’s like a career crook expecting to get his customary slap-on-the-wrist from the judge because he always combs his hair, wears a nice suit, and tells the judge his days of stealing cars are over for good.

as if the all knowing all powerful god doesnt see through your scam and know your true heart - (before you even do)

imo that’s why pascal’s wager is a non-starter
it assumes an actually existing god to not be smart enough to know you’re insincere

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 1:58:36pm

Oh good it’s moscow mule time

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:02:25pm

re: #43 dangerman

Oh good it’s moscow mule time

That’s become a favorite drink in the fish household since all the Russia scandals started throwing down.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:14:39pm

It ends with: “How’s your book coming Maggie?”

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:15:42pm

re: #44 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s become a favorite drink in the fish household since all the Russia scandals started throwing down.

I got one once in NY on a lark. Hadn’t heard of it. I like vodka.
Then Mrs dm bought me two copper mugs for my birthday.
So I drink just enough of them. ;-)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:16:23pm

re: #46 dangerman

I got one once in NY on a lark. Hadn’t heard of it. I like vodka.
Then Mrs dm bought me two copper mugs for my birthday.
So I drink just enough of them. ;-)

There’s various incarnations of the mule drink; my other favorite is made with bourbon.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:22:15pm

re: #47 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There’s various incarnations of the mule drink; my other favorite is made with bourbon.

Oh I’m definitely gonna try that
Had no idea

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:25:12pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:25:41pm

re: #48 dangerman

Oh I’m definitely gonna try that
Had no idea

Here is a recipe. I’ve never tried it this way, but it was the first result from Saint Google. liquor.com

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:27:36pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

All Trump needs to end the MS-13 threat is to hold a summit meeting with their maximum leader.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:28:05pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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I might be wrong, but I remember an expert last year saying that MS-13 is way down on the list of criminal gangs that LE worries about. Seems like biker gangs were right up at the top.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:29:13pm

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

I might be wrong, but I remember an expert last year saying that MS-13 is way down on the list of criminal gangs that LE worries about. Seems like biker gangs were right up at the top.

I’d be more worried about Trump-humping right-wing militia groups and survivalist types.

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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:29:56pm

re: #52 Barefoot Grin

I might be wrong, but I remember an expert last year saying that MS-13 is way down on the list of criminal gangs that LE worries about. Seems like biker gangs were right up at the top.

Would they be considered Trump supporters on wheels?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:31:19pm

John Legend is mad.

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TedStriker  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:33:26pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

John Legend is mad.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:33:58pm

re: #56 TedStriker

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I couldn’t have said it any better myself.

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TedStriker  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:36:09pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I couldn’t have said it any better myself.

In my fantasy, Legend would be standing over Ryan, yelling at him, “You got knocked the fuck out!”

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:37:16pm

Putin’s tool.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:40:35pm

re: #59 jaunte

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Putin’s tool.

Congratulating autocrats:

He. Goes. Out. Of. His. Way.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:46:55pm

re: #20 jaunte

The only time he prays is for a photo-op. I bet Obama prayed at least once a day, but he did it the way Jesus said, privately.

So now we know that pray just means white.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:47:09pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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If they’re already here how’s “,immigration and border control” legislation gonna help?

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:48:29pm

re: #50 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Here is a recipe. I’ve never tried it this way, but it was the first result from Saint Google. liquor.com

Complicated. ;-)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:50:08pm

re: #63 dangerman

Complicated. ;-)

Ironically, I’ve had it with MORE stuff than that ;) Usually a splash of lemon juice along with the lime juice, and perhaps a dribble of peach schnapps or grenadine.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:52:07pm

re: #63 dangerman

re: #64 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

This recipe come from Wiki:
en.wikipedia.org

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:52:30pm

re: #64 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ironically, I’ve had it with MORE stuff than that ;) Usually a splash of lemon juice along with the lime juice, and perhaps a dribble of peach schnapps or grenadine.

My general rule is max 2 things in a glass. One can be ice
In my mind a mule is pushing it, though since the wife bought the mugs…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:52:52pm

re: #66 dangerman

My general rule is max 2 things in a glass. One can be ice
In my mind a mule is pushing it, though since the wife bought the mugs…

I like the cut of your jib, sir.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 16, 2018 • 2:58:37pm

re: #66 dangerman

My general rule is max 2 things in a glass. One can be ice
In my mind a mule is pushing it, though since the wife bought the mugs…

Rules are meant to be broken.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:01:14pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:05:13pm

“the Trump’s administration’s claim LIE that it is only separating families seeking asylum who cross the border in between ports of entry”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:06:58pm
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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:07:46pm

re: #68 I Would Prefer Not To

Rules are meant to be broken.

I don’t care what ither people drink
I just don’t myself
Too many ingredients to me masks the main flavor
I prefer to drink a better quality of that main ingredientthan hide an inferior one

Mostly cause I’m a lot older than I was and i drink a who!e lot less than I did
And I get up at 530 every morning to run

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:08:15pm
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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:10:57pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:11:18pm
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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:13:25pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Andrew Feinberg explains why he’s the ONLY reporter who asked Trump “Why are you lying, sir?”

I thought I read a female reporter did too and trump made a comment about her

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:17:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:19:27pm

re: #76 dangerman

I thought I read a female reporter did too and trump made a comment about her

It was CBS’ Weijia Jiang asked him to explain why he thinks North Korea no longer poses a nuclear threat…he called her obnoxious.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:20:02pm

Mrs dm wants fish and chips
We’re off to an Irish pub

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:23:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:28:22pm

So good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:49:03pm
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calochortus  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:50:08pm

Greetings from Baker, NV (just outside Great Basin Nat’l Park) The view from the deck of the place we’re staying:

View toward the Snake Range

We came by way of Mono Lake and Berlin-Icthyosaur state park (ghost town and fossils in Nevada) Both were fun.
Baker is on the hot side, but Great Basin N. P. goes up several thousand feet, so finding the right temperature for hiking and wildflower viewing isn’t too difficult. It has also been seriously windy, which has cramped our style a bit as it has been too windy after dark to get out and do any astronomy, which would otherwise be good what with the dark skies and all. Nonetheless-beautiful flowers, great scenery, and some nice little hikes. There is also Lehman Cave here, but we’ve done that on a previous trip, and I’m not a huge fan of caves.
If anyone is in the area of absolutely nowhere in NV (south of Ely on the Utah border) I highly recommend it.
I will also spare you my rant on the underfunding of parks. ;)

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:55:20pm
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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:58:27pm
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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 3:59:23pm
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:03:25pm

re: #85 jaunte

I wonder if a large crowd needs to take it over.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:05:02pm

re: #87 Belafon

I wonder if a large crowd needs to take it over.

Now that is an awesome fucking idea.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:13:11pm
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:16:04pm
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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:19:08pm

“He is longer with the Geary Police Department, the department says.”

Now a private prison company can hire him.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:20:21pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

And those of us who know history truly appreciate Canada for everything that has been done. Unfortunately right now we have a president who does not know history (and many other things) and does not appreciate our northern neighbors. Not all Americans feel this way. Some of us think Canada is one of the greatest places on earth and we in spite of the current administration want to remain friends with Canada and other countries who were our friends before DT.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:22:07pm

“…Its application with the state requests a general residential operating license to hold up to 240 children between the ages of “0 to 17.” Several stakeholders who work with immigrant minors said they have been told the facility would largely serve “tender age” children who are younger than 12, as well as pregnant and nursing teenagers.

The federal Office of Refugee Resettlement, which is in charge of unaccompanied immigrant children, did not return calls or several emails seeking details. A spokesperson for Southwest Key would not provide more information. But advocates who care for such children said the government informed them this week that the facility would focus on this population.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:23:44pm
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:25:52pm
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:28:23pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:29:48pm
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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:37:19pm

Oh, pretty! A red cloud-bow over Delaware:

apod.nasa.gov

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:40:59pm

re: #98 retired cynic

That is cool.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:49:48pm
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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:50:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:54:25pm

something for ww

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:55:37pm

Cornyn getting shelled in the replies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:57:54pm
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scottslemmons  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:57:57pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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I’d like us to remember that the right-wing isn’t being incited against immigrants. They’re being incited against Hispanics and Latinos. It’s just easier to start the ethnic-cleansing ball rolling against undocumented Hispanics and Latinos. I have not a single doubt they’ll eventually start putting Hispanic and Latino citizens (and other brown people) into death camps before long.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 16, 2018 • 4:59:09pm

re: #105 scottslemmons

I’d like us to remember that the right-wing isn’t being incited against immigrants. They’re being incited against Hispanics and Latinos. It’s just easier to start the ethnic-cleansing ball rolling against undocumented Hispanics and Latinos. I have not a single doubt they’ll eventually start putting Hispanic and Latino citizens (and other brown people) into death camps before long.

They will certainly be redoubling their efforts to strip Latinos and other dark-skinned immigrants of their naturalized citizenship.

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mmmirele  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:02:42pm

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will certainly be redoubling their efforts to strip Latinos and other dark-skinned immigrants of their naturalized citizenship.

I ran into one of those on Twitter today, she was saying that children born here of illegals should be sent back with their parents.

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scottslemmons  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:03:03pm

re: #106 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will certainly be redoubling their efforts to strip Latinos and other dark-skinned immigrants of their naturalized citizenship.

Naturalized and natural-born, too, I reckon.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:03:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:06:05pm
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Jay C  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:08:59pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

something for ww

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Jeez: build a bigger version of that guy, and there go a bunch of pizza-delivery jobs….

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:10:47pm

File under “math is hard”:

ANCIENT EGYPT: 3,500 YEAR OLD ROCK ART WITH EARLY FORM OF HIEROGLYPHS DISCOVERED IN DESERT

Archaeologists in Egypt have uncovered several pieces of ancient rock art from more than 3,000 years ago, according to a statement released by the country’s Ministry of Antiquities.

[…]

So, what’s the problem you may ask? The headline states that the rock art is 3500 years old, the opening paragraph says “more than” 3000 years, and 3500 is greater than 3000, so everything is fine, no?

No.

First off, no one should be surprised about finding carvings on rocks 3500 years ago, in Egypt, as Egyptian tombs and monuments are full of text, and 3500 years ago is after the Middle Kingdom.

This should thus raise a flag.

Farther down in the text:

One particularly impressive image, which likely dates to around 3,300 B.C., depicts a number of animals including bulls, donkeys, Barbary sheep, antelope and giraffes.

Math iz hard.

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fern01  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:12:49pm

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

I’m thinking that Trump’s lawyers probably reckoned that Manafort would be jailed for violating the conditions of his bail. However, I’m also fairly certain they told Trump that nothing of the sort would happen because they’re toadies and sycophants.

As a result, they all put on their best “I’m shocked - shocked, I tell you” faces when the news broke.

Adding to the horror of this president* - people can’t tell him the truth because he gets upset and raves and rants. Now somewhere in the past the leader of a European country used to get upset and rave and rant when told the truth about what was happening during a war.

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Varek Raith  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:13:27pm

re: #112 freetoken

File under “math is hard”:

ANCIENT EGYPT: 3,500 YEAR OLD ROCK ART WITH EARLY FORM OF HIEROGLYPHS DISCOVERED IN DESERT

So, what’s the problem you may ask? The headline states that the rock art is 3500 years old, the opening paragraph says “more than” 3000 years, and 3500 is greater than 3000, so everything is fine, no?

No.

First off, no one should be surprised about finding carvings on rocks 3500 years ago, in Egypt, as Egyptian tombs and monuments are full of text, and 3500 years ago is after the Middle Kingdom.

This should thus raise a flag.

Farther down in the text:

Math iz hard.

Magnets!

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:13:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:15:23pm

re: #115 jaunte

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Oh the irony of the so called UK Independence Party being a stalking horse for Russia.

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fern01  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:16:30pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

At this point in time I have ZERO doubts that Ivanka, Ryan and friends are doing this on purpose. They think it is funny to upset the opposition with the “happy family” pictures.

Pure Evil.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:17:46pm

re: #117 fern01

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At this point in time I have ZERO doubts that Ivanka, Ryan and friends are doing this on purpose. They think it is funny to upset the opposition with the “happy family” pictures.

Pure Evil.

Of course they are. Psycho assholes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:18:19pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

Magnets!

ALIENS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:18:34pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:19:05pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’s gonna burn her left hand badly if she fires that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:21:24pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nothing lamer than being a hack for the gun lobby. Soon she’ll learn that they used her.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:22:19pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Nothing lamer than being a hack for the gun lobby. Soon she’ll learn that they used her.

And she won’t care, as long as she’s got God and her guns. See: Loesch, Dana.

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fern01  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:23:17pm

re: #27 jaunte

Ponder the inherent bullshit of a pro-Trump “Fellowship” Rally.

I’m pondering this statement about the least religious president* since I don’t remember when

“He’s talked more about God than any of our presidents. He’s put prayer back in the White House.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:24:56pm

re: #121 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

She’s gonna burn her left hand badly if she fires that.

MrBWS informs me that there’s a heat shield on the barrel, so she won’t burn her hand.
OTOH, he says her left arm is overextended and she’ll have no real control over her weapon because she won’t be able to stabilize it.
He says it’s particularly ridiculous because it has a collapsible/adjustable stock that would mitigate the need for her arm extension.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:25:10pm

re: #123 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And she won’t care, as long as she’s got God and her guns. See: Loesch, Dana.

She looks stupid. All these gun posing photos 999/1000 look stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:25:42pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS informs me that there’s a heat shield on the barrel, so she won’t burn her hand.
OTOH, he says her left arm is overextended and she’ll have no real control over her weapon because she won’t be able to stabilize it.
He says it’s particularly ridiculous because it has a collapsible/adjustable stock that would mitigate the need for her arm extension.

Poor marksmanship to own the libs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:26:55pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS informs me that there’s a heat shield on the barrel, so she won’t burn her hand.
OTOH, he says her left arm is overextended and she’ll have no real control over her weapon because she won’t be able to stabilize it.
He says it’s particularly ridiculous because it has a collapsible/adjustable stock that would mitigate the need for her arm extension.

I’ll take his word for it, but my assumption was that the heat shield was actually (at least in part) a heat radiator, especially if it is made of metal. If it’s composite, then that’s a different story.

And yes, that was the other thing I noticed about her position. When firing from standing with a rifle, you support under the barrel to give you something to rest it on, using gravity to stabilize the weapon in your grip. Holding it like that trusts it to your muscles, and when (not if) they give out, bullets gonna fly.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:28:21pm

re: #124 fern01

I’m pondering this statement about the least religious president* since I don’t remember when

“He’s talked more about God than any of our presidents. He’s put prayer back in the White House.”

If the Fundies weren’t such cynical assholes, they’d be pissed that Trump was playing them.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:29:01pm

re: #105 scottslemmons

I’d like us to remember that the right-wing isn’t being incited against immigrants. They’re being incited against Hispanics and Latinos. It’s just easier to start the ethnic-cleansing ball rolling against undocumented Hispanics and Latinos. I have not a single doubt they’ll eventually start putting Hispanic and Latino citizens (and other brown people) into death camps before long.

“With so many criminal Mexican gangs running around, we can’t trust the loyalty of any Hispanics! This is just a temporary measure, once the gangs are all taken care of, we’ll shut these internment cam…er, ‘centers’ down and allow these people to resume their lives!”

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:31:04pm

Never forget that Sessions brought the ghoul Steven Miller into Trump’s orbit.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:31:36pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, nothing “cooler” than making yourself radioactive to any company that may not want to promote a “gun nut” atmosphere to potential customers.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:31:53pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Nothing lamer than being a hack for the gun lobby. Soon she’ll learn that they used her.

Seems like it’s an incredibly easy gig.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:31:57pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:34:55pm

re: #121 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

She’s gonna burn her left hand badly if she fires that.

Yeah, where is the forward grip?

Oh…that’s right, it was all for the image. Poseur!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:38:34pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

She looks stupid. All these gun posing photos 999/1000 look stupid.

But I thought holding a handgun sideways made you more badass.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:38:38pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was CBS’ Weijia Jiang asked him to explain why he thinks North Korea no longer poses a nuclear threat…he called her obnoxious.

Right thx

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:40:12pm

re: #107 mmmirele

I ran into one of those on Twitter today, she was saying that children born here of illegals should be sent back with their parents.

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Appears that Victoria the so-called “Mother of triplets” is a Russian Troll!

Blocked and reported and as usual I expect Twitter to do nothing.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:40:21pm

re: #136 Eclectic Cyborg

But I thought holding a handgun sideways made you more badass.

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Mythbusters say NOPE!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:41:42pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:42:05pm

Why do I feel like we’re gonna see Gun Nut Barbie acting like White Power Barbie in a few years, moaning about the dearth of companies looking to snap her up and how those college loans coming due means she’s gotta settle for something “beneath her”?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:43:31pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Why do I feel like we’re gonna see Gun Nut Barbie acting like White Power Barbie in a few years, moaning about the dearth of companies looking to snap her up and how those college loans coming due means she’s gotta settle for something “beneath her”?

She’s got a job waiting for her at the NRA. After NRA membership and funding implodes and Dana Loesch gets kicked out, they’ll need a new spokesbabe to take up the cause.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:43:37pm

re: #84 jaunte

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Something tells me the president* lectures the women around him a lot

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Jay C  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:44:13pm

re: #124 fern01

I’m pondering this statement about the least religious president* since I don’t remember when

“He’s talked more about God than any of our presidents. He’s put prayer back in the White House.

Translation: Trump has brought the big-ticket Political Pulpit Pimps to the White House: and had them ostentatiously “pray” there while lauding him as the Greatest Great Greatness EVER!!!! (and then milking it for publicity).
Oh, and reward them for their ass-kissing by supporting their neo-theocratic political agenda.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:44:49pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think Merkely should consider a run. He’s showing a lot of needed leadership on this issue.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:46:11pm

re: #143 dangerman

Something tells me the president* lectures the women around him a lot

“Don’t worry your pretty little head about it, I know what I’m doing and you should trust me. Now go fetch me a sandwich. There’s a good girl.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:48:27pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:50:39pm

re: #147 Joe Bacon 🌹

I don’t doubt that she thinks she knows what she’s doing and has probably fired a few rounds. However, she posted a picture that shows her doing it all wrong and makes her look stupid. On that, I think we all can agree.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:51:11pm

re: #124 fern01

I’m pondering this statement about the least religious president* since I don’t remember when

“He’s talked more about God than any of our presidents. He’s put prayer back in the White House.”

Jimmy Carter does more of God’s work in any 60 seconds than Tweety Amin has done in his whole life.

And that includes the time Jimmy is asleep.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:52:05pm

I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest she might not be so dumb as to fire in that stance, but is only assuming it for the purpose of ensuring the engraving is not obscured for the photo. In other words, this is a staged photo as much as the one featured in the engraving was.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:54:39pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest she might not be so dumb as to fire in that stance, but is only assuming it for the purpose of ensuring the engraving is not obscured for the photo. In other words, this is a staged photo as much as the one featured in the engraving was.

I think you probably have the right of it. As much as we make fun of the gun-fuckers, they usually have fired a few boxes of ammunition through their weapons prior to the stupid staged photographs. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to make fun of her for it, though. If it were me, I would’ve said, “Yeah, I know this picture shows me doing it wrong, but here’s why.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:55:43pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Why do I feel like we’re gonna see Gun Nut Barbie acting like White Power Barbie in a few years, moaning about the dearth of companies looking to snap her up and how those college loans coming due means she’s gotta settle for something “beneath her”?

Oh Blondie Bimborella will wind up trying to master the meat slicer at Arbys. She’ll get fired when she backs into it and gets a little behind in her work

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:56:04pm

re: #152 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh Blondie Bimborella will wind up trying to master the meat slicer at Arbys. She’ll get fired when she backs into it and gets a little behind in her work

*WHACK!*

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:57:13pm

re: #151 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think you probably have the right of it. As much as we make fun of the gun-fuckers, they usually have fired a few boxes of ammunition through their weapons prior to the stupid staged photographs. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to make fun of her for it, though. If it were me, I would’ve said, “Yeah, I know this picture shows me doing it wrong, but here’s why.”

True, but as an ammosexual, she probably assumes most of us have no fucking clue what we’re looking at and so automatically conclude this is a normal stance for firing that rifle. From the same crowd who will ignore an entire reasoned argument against the sale of AR-15 rifles to civies to obsess over the usage of “clip” instead of “magazine.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:58:16pm

I just get tired of the stupid poses and yeah the implication that all is libtards know nothing about guns.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 5:59:42pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

I just get tired of the stupid poses and yeah the implication that all is libtards know nothing about guns.

Which we’ve proven false on multiple occasions - liberals own guns too; and even among those of us who don’t own guns ourselves, I’m a fair shot with a rifle, and a better shot with a pistol than my gun-humping dad. Still need some practice with the shotgun, though; I overthink it too much.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:00:48pm

re: #95 Belafon

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Media tell us @realDonaldTrump is keeping kids in “cages.” The facility I visited is a dormitory with a school, clinic, and outdoor recreation. They give them new clothes .They have field trips to parks & zoos. They even had a “prom.” Sad situation but not what we have been told

This is a bullshit story

There would be lines of buses for field trips..everyone would see caravans
Why in hell would “foreigners” have, want or have any idea what a prom is?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:02:52pm

FOOD BREAK TIME!

Friends chipped in and we ordered a the Papaya King Dozen Hot Dog Kit thru Goldbely.

In the kit…

The Papaya King Hotdog Kit

And the finished product ready to make every taste bud in my mouth stand up and cheer…

Others had the papaya juice. I had a Diet Coke!
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freetoken  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:04:45pm

Speaking of food:

Woman swallowed by 7m python while checking veggie garden

A seven-metre-long python has swallowed a woman in central Indonesia, a village official says.

The victim, 54-year-old Wa Tiba, went missing while checking her vegetable garden near her village on Muna island in Southeast Sulawesi province on Thursday evening, according to the village chief, Faris.

On Friday, her family went to look for her at the garden but found only her belongings, including sandals and a flashlight, said Faris, who uses a single name.

The family and villagers launched a search for the woman and found the snake with a bloated belly about 50 metres from where her belongings were found.

[…]

“When they cut open the snake’s belly they found Tiba’s body still intact with all her clothes,” Faris said on Saturday. “She was swallowed first from her head.”

[…]

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:04:55pm

re: #158 Joe Bacon 🌹

FOOD BREAK TIME!

Friends chipped in and we ordered a the Papaya King Dozen Hot Dog Kit thru Goldbely.

In the kit…

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Very nice! Mrs. Fish brought home a different treat for me to grill tomorrow: Sheboygan Beer Brats. I’m a Johnsonville guy, myself, so I’m actually interested to see how the competing product turns out. Gotta hand it to Wisconsin, though - I found one thing (well, two, if you include cheese curds) that they’re actually good for.

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TedStriker  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:06:18pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Why do I feel like we’re gonna see Gun Nut Barbie acting like White Power Barbie in a few years, moaning about the dearth of companies looking to snap her up and how those college loans coming due means she’s gotta settle for something “beneath her”?

A job at a regular job would be a fate worse than death for her, which is why she’s trying to put and keep herself in the public eye, so that she can get onto the wingnut welfare gravy train.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:07:36pm

re: #159 freetoken

Speaking of food:

Woman swallowed by 7m python while checking veggie garden

NnnnnnnNNNNNNNNNNNNOPE!

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:07:41pm

re: #83 calochortus

Greetings from Baker, NV (just outside Great Basin Nat’l Park) The view from the deck of the place we’re staying:

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We came by way of Mono Lake and Berlin-Icthyosaur state park (ghost town and fossils in Nevada) Both were fun.
Baker is on the hot side, but Great Basin N. P. goes up several thousand feet, so finding the right temperature for hiking and wildflower viewing isn’t too difficult. It has also been seriously windy, which has cramped our style a bit as it has been too windy after dark to get out and do any astronomy, which would otherwise be good what with the dark skies and all. Nonetheless-beautiful flowers, great scenery, and some nice little hikes. There is also Lehman Cave here, but we’ve done that on a previous trip, and I’m not a huge fan of caves.
If anyone is in the area of absolutely nowhere in NV (south of Ely on the Utah border) I highly recommend it.
I will also spare you my rant on the underfunding of parks. ;)

A great National Park and one that is not crowded because it’s really out in the middle of nowhere. I’m glad you are enjoying it! I love my state! Well, not Las Vegas, but…

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:07:52pm

re: #159 freetoken

Speaking of food:

Woman swallowed by 7m python while checking veggie garden

“Here be monsters.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:08:40pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

“Here be monsters.”

Australia was unavailable for comment. Presumably busy beating the crap out of their own poisonous/venomous/otherwise deadly monsters.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:12:03pm

re: #160 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Very nice! Mrs. Fish brought home a different treat for me to grill tomorrow: Sheboygan Beer Brats. I’m a Johnsonville guy, myself, so I’m actually interested to see how the competing product turns out. Gotta hand it to Wisconsin, though - I found one thing (well, two, if you include cheese curds) that they’re actually good for.

Fella when it comes to Wisconsin, I can add two more!

Kringles

From Racine!

& Butter Burgers!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:12:06pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

True, but as an ammosexual, she probably assumes most of us have no fucking clue what we’re looking at and so automatically conclude this is a normal stance for firing that rifle. From the same crowd who will ignore an entire reasoned argument against the sale of AR-15 rifles to civies to obsess over the usage of “clip” instead of “magazine.”

They don’t know what they’re talking about.

A magazine is the place on a ship where you store ordinance and ammunition for small arms. A clip is used to hold ammunition for a semi-automatic rifle or pistol.

If wingers are not going to use maritime terminology correctly, I have to assume they don’t know what they’re talking about around arms and ammunition.

re: #155 HappyWarrior

I just get tired of the stupid poses and yeah the implication that all is libtards know nothing about guns.

Our best-kept secret. Even when we tell them, their propaganda masters tell them that’s not so.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:12:38pm

re: #166 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fella when it comes to Wisconsin, I can add two more!

Kringles

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I guess butter burgers didn’t cross my mind as a Wisconsin invention. It just seemed intuitively obvious to me.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:13:08pm

Even old monarchies are cashing in on the rush to bring old-fashioned aristocracy back:

Thai King Now Holds Crown Property Bureau’s Billions in Assets

Thailand’s Crown Property Bureau said its assets are now held in the name of King Maha Vajiralongkorn, clarifying how a legal change last year affects billions of dollars of holdings.

The law enacted in 2017 means that “‘Crown Property Assets’ are to be transferred and revert to the ownership” of the king and that the bureau’s investments “will now be held in the name of His Majesty,” the bureau said in an undated statement on its website.

[…]

Vajiralongkorn ascended to the throne in 2016 after the death of his father, King Bhumibol Adulyadej. He increased his control over the eight-decade-old bureau in July last year, when he was given discretion over the crown’s assets.

[…]

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:14:41pm

Yikes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:16:04pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Modern-day Christianity’s central hot-button issue. To use an analogy the Pope would probably scoff at, it is their Calvary - the hill they plan to be crucified on.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:17:06pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Yikes.

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It’s what I expect to hear from a Pope.

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fern01  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:17:07pm

re: #149 Joe Bacon 🌹

Jimmy Carter does more of God’s work in any 60 seconds than Tweety Amin has done in his whole life.

And that includes the time Jimmy is asleep.

Hillary Clinton comes in second.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:18:28pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Yikes.

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Sigh I appreciate his voice on so many issues but the church will at least in my lifetime never get that choice is a fundamental right.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:19:24pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Sigh I appreciate his voice on so many issues but the church will at least in my lifetime never get that choice is a fundamental right.

BTW—Did he say anything condemning priests who have molested kids?

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:19:38pm

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹

They don’t know what they’re talking about.

A magazine is the place on a ship where you store ordinance and ammunition for small arms. A clip is used to hold ammunition for a semi-automatic rifle or pistol.

If wingers are not going to use maritime terminology correctly, I have to assume they don’t know what they’re talking about around arms and ammunition.

Our best-kept secret. Even when we tell them, their propaganda masters tell them that’s not so.

Three of the tenants of wingnut dogma when it comes to firearms:

1. Libruls are scared of guns, don’t know how they work, and thus don’t own any. Which is why they are “outgunned,” despite the hilariously lop-sided ratio of guns owned to gun owners in this country.

2. All gun laws are inherently tyrannical efforts by libruls to withhold gun ownership from “law-abiding citizens,” but the reason so many “illegal” guns are floating around is because those laws are not properly enforced and so the issue could be addressed by doing so.

3. Keeping a registry of firearms at any level of government is tyrannical, tantamount to efforts by the Crown during the Revolutionary Era to restrict gun ownership, which is why we instead need a national registry of the mentally ill because only they are dangerous with guns.

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:20:15pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Not surprising.

For any Christian fundamentalist, and the RC as an organization is still theologically conservative in many ways, the network of their dogma collapses if a human does not have a “soul”.

Thus the problem of when the soul begins.

Without any empirical data (which, to remind everyone, there has been no successful measurement of anything remotely like a “soul”) to show when a soul is and is not, one has to presume that a fertilized egg has a soul.

Ergo, to kill even an embryo is to commit murder.

Fundamentalists at least realize that their belief structure hinges on this idea. Wrong they may be about the factuality of a “soul”, but they realize it is the log that holds the dogma dam together.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:20:48pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Yikes.

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“He’s more liberal than Benedict was” is about the best we can say at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:21:56pm

re: #175 Joe Bacon 🌹

BTW—Did he say anything condemning priests who have molested kids?

He’s been better than most on this issue but it still isn’t enough and I say that as a grandnephew of a priest and person who would argue that a lot of Catholic teachings indirectly influenced some of my ideology.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:23:31pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Yikes.

That false equivalence by Francis also gives any theocrat who wants the justification to hold the equivalent of war crimes trials.

As for the Pope’s statements on social issues, none of them are arguments that have not already been made by people who are not theocrats in charge of both a church and a state.

Also, the Vatican accepted Newt’s wife’s credentials for ambassador (an ambassador to the Vatican being another thing I don’t care for Ronald Reagan over). Spare me the Pope’s moral authority.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:24:00pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

“Don’t worry your pretty little head about it, I know what I’m doing and you should trust me. Now go fetch me a sandwich. There’s a good girl.”

I was thinking “what the fuck is wrong with you? Do what I fucking tell you, you goddamn ________”

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freetoken  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:24:14pm

Protests after another woman killed by leopard in Valparai

In a significant development, tea estate workers along with members from all political parties in Valparai staged a road roko on Saturday after a 52-year-old estate woman worker was mauled to death by a leopard on Friday night near Kanchamalai in Valparai hills.

This was the fifth leopard attack incident in the last 22 days. People suspect a particular leopard to have turned into a man-eater that recently entered a human habitat on Feb 8 last and mauled a 4-year-old boy to death at Kanchamalai estate. However, the leopard was trapped and relocated to Mandhri mattam in Varagaliyaru range.

[…]

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:24:44pm

What will be hilarious is watching all the God-botherers who have slagged Francis since he took office because he’s critical of the RC’s approach to poverty and the Christian world’s hypocrisy on the subject…all suddenly popping wood because he’s compared abortion to Nazi war crimes.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:26:06pm

re: #151 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I think you probably have the right of it. As much as we make fun of the gun-fuckers, they usually have fired a few boxes of ammunition through their weapons prior to the stupid staged photographs. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to make fun of her for it, though. If it were me, I would’ve said, “Yeah, I know this picture shows me doing it wrong, but here’s why.”

Otoh, I would never have a picture of me taken doing to wrong. Whatver “it” is

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:26:40pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

What will be hilarious is watching all the God-botherers who have slagged Francis since he took office because he’s critical of the RC’s approach to poverty and the Christian world’s hypocrisy on the subject…all suddenly popping wood because he’s compared abortion to Nazi war crimes.

I think Fundamentalists would be all in on trying doctors and nurses for war crimes if they had the chance.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:27:16pm

re: #181 dangerman

I was thinking “what the fuck is wrong with you? Do what I fucking tell you, you goddamn ________”

I imagine Donny’s the kinda abusive asshole who starts with the verbal abuse, then ends with the mental abuse of condescension and belittlement. “Shut the fuck up, I didn’t ask for your opinion! If you don’t wanna be waiting tables, you’ll do what I tell you! Now go back to what I pay you to do. There’s a good girl.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:27:51pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

What will be hilarious is watching all the God-botherers who have slagged Francis since he took office because he’s critical of the RC’s approach to poverty and the Christian world’s hypocrisy on the subject…all suddenly popping wood because he’s compared abortion to Nazi war crimes.

You know the thing is Benedict and I wasn’t a fan also condemned unregulated capitalism and cruelty towards immigrants but he was more emphasizing abortion and anti lgbt rights so conservatives accepted him.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:28:27pm

re: #152 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh Blondie Bimborella will wind up trying to master the meat slicer at Arbys. She’ll get fired when she backs into it and gets a little behind in her work

Guy at the deli got fired for sticking his Willy in a pickle slicer.
Fitrd the pickle slicer too

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:29:04pm

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹

I think Fundamentalists would be all in on trying doctors and nurses for war crimes if they had the chance.

Oh, you can be sure that by tomorrow, if not Monday, we’ll be hearing the usual wingnut crowd saying “You lefties like the Pope so much, well he just came out comparing abortion doctors to Nazis! So you must agree with us that abortion needs to be banned because otherwise you’re endorsing war crimes!”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:29:31pm

re: #188 dangerman

Guy at the deli got fired for sticking his Willy in a pickle slicer.
Fitrd the pickle slicer too

It’s like you kids never learn.

*WHACK!*

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scottslemmons  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:31:36pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

Oh, you can be sure that by tomorrow, if not Monday, we’ll be hearing the usual wingnut crowd saying “You lefties like the Pope so much, well he just came out comparing abortion doctors to Nazis! So you must agree with us that abortion needs to be banned because otherwise you’re endorsing war crimes!”

“We should also condemn Nazis, right?”

“SPUTTER SPUTTER NOT SO FAST”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:31:59pm

re: #189 Targetpractice

Oh, you can be sure that by tomorrow, if not Monday, we’ll be hearing the usual wingnut crowd saying “You lefties like the Pope so much, well he just came out comparing abortion doctors to Nazis! So you must agree with us that abortion needs to be banned because otherwise you’re endorsing war crimes!”

Yep I can see Shapiro doing that shit. Erickson too. It’s not complicated to me. Someone can be very right on something and very wrong on others.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:32:44pm

re: #188 dangerman

Guy at the deli got fired for sticking his Willy in a pickle slicer.
Fitrd the pickle slicer too

Now you’re bringing back memories of this song from the 70s that endlessly played on the radio

Sweet - Little Willy - Top Of The Pops/Disco 1972 (OFFICIAL)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:34:35pm

Bus Driver Tells Passengers Only U.S. Citizens Can Ride As Border Patrol Agent Looks On (Huffington Post)

A bus driver in Maine told passengers they needed to be U.S. citizens to ride on a bus while an immigration official questioned passengers’ citizenship.

The incident happened in the city of Bangor over Memorial Day weekend, the ACLU of New Hampshire said in a video statement.

The footage shows passengers being confronted by a U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent.

(more, with the CEO saying the bus driver “misspoke” and CBP defending the agent’s actions).

This is at least the second time that Border Patrol agents have harassed people attempting to ride a bus. In January, Border Patrol agents in Florida asked Greyhound passengers for the IDs and took a woman into custody.

Greyhound officials said they are following the law by letting Border Patrol agents question their passengers. But the ACLU said Greyhound has the right and responsibility to demand a warrant for Border Patrol officers to board its buses.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:35:15pm

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

Bus Driver Tells Passengers Only U.S. Citizens Can Ride As Border Patrol Agent Looks On (Huffington Post)

(more, with the CEO saying the bus driver “misspoke” and CBP defending the agent’s actions).

What in the name of fuck?

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:35:47pm

You know how I can tell the IG report landed with a thud? Because all the wingnuts I know (admittedly not many) don’t want to talk about it. This report was going to be the proof that Great Leader had been the victim of a grand conspiracy to sink his campaign and instead the IG came out admitting (grudgingly) that it had been Hillary who was the victim of an FBI conspiracy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:35:59pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

What in the name of fuck?

Milquetoast company cronies roll over for domestic terrorists empowered with authority by the Trump Administration.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:36:27pm

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

Bus Driver Tells Passengers Only U.S. Citizens Can Ride As Border Patrol Agent Looks On (Huffington Post)

(more, with the CEO saying the bus driver “misspoke” and CBP defending the agent’s actions).

And what will Sleazy Sue say about this?

Not a peep from Mitch’s Little Rubber Stamp!

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:36:39pm

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

Bus Driver Tells Passengers Only U.S. Citizens Can Ride As Border Patrol Agent Looks On (Huffington Post)

(more, with the CEO saying the bus driver “misspoke” and CBP defending the agent’s actions).

“Where are your papers? Show me your papers!”

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:36:44pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

I imagine Donny’s the kinda abusive asshole who starts with the verbal abuse, then ends with the mental abuse of condescension and belittlement. “Shut the fuck up, I didn’t ask for your opinion! If you don’t wanna be waiting tables, you’ll do what I tell you! Now go back to what I pay you to do. There’s a good girl.”

Zacto

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:37:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:38:00pm

re: #197 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Milquetoast company cronies roll over for domestic terrorists empowered with authority by the Trump Administration.

I know. Jeezus. What the hell is happening to us?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:40:00pm

re: #201 Belafon

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Love thy neighbor unless he looks different and hablas the Espanol.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:40:27pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

I know. Jeezus. What the hell is happening to us?

We are working very hard in elections to oust the wannabe dictators and autocrats.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:41:27pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Love thy neighbor unless he looks different and hablas the Espanol.

“And who is my neighbor?”

“Well, obviously not those brown fuckers, or the black ones, or the yellow ones, or, hell, anyone that’s different from you. Let’s just be literal - your neighbor is literally your neighbor, no more, no less.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:42:51pm

“Papiere. Papiere bitte!”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:42:56pm

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹

We are working very hard in elections to oust the wannabe dictators and autocrats.

I have too but it’s going to take more than elections. This is a fight for the heart and soul of the nation.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:43:26pm

re: #201 Belafon

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Leviticus 19:33-34 ESV
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 19:33-34 New International Version (NIV)
33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Other interpretations are along the same line

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:43:56pm

re: #205 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“And who is my neighbor?”

“Well, obviously not those brown fuckers, or the black ones, or the yellow ones, or, hell, anyone that’s different from you. Let’s just be literal - your neighbor is literally your neighbor, no more, no less.”

You know, it was pretty cool today at my brother’s graduation party. People from everywhere including your own Minnesota.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:44:41pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

I know. Jeezus. What the hell is happening to us?

We’re a country that had to witness a years-long battle in the courts over whether cops could stop black men and subject them to sidewalk strip searches simply because of the neighborhood they were stopped in.

Another battle to stop and then extract an apology from the same cops for illegal surveillance of houses of worship because they belonged to the “wrong” religion.

Every week, we watch another video of cops who beat the shit out of a minority for having some leafy substance on their car’s hood, “looking” at a cop the wrong way, looking “suspicious,” being manhandled for being in a neighborhood whose white residents didn’t feel they belonged, and so forth.

This isn’t something new or different, it’s just the next logical step. “Illegals” are the first victims, but they will not be the only ones.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:45:31pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

You know, it was pretty cool today at my brother’s graduation party. People from everywhere including your own Minnesota.

Awesome.

I think I posted this before, but some time ago I posed a question to my Facebook feed: “What if the Parable of the Good Samaritan were re-cast with an Islamic terrorist assuming the role of the Samaritan? How would that change your understanding of the parable?” Outside of one of my most outspoken liberal Christian friends, absolute crickets. I don’t think they liked the implications of that.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:46:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:46:39pm

re: #211 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Awesome.

I think I posted this before, but some time ago I posed a question to my Facebook feed: “What if the Parable of the Good Samaritan were re-cast with an Islamic terrorist assuming the role of the Samaritan? How would that change your understanding of the parable?” Outside of one of my most outspoken liberal Christian friends, absolute crickets. I don’t think they liked the implications of that.

Was a good time.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:47:09pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

We’re a country that had to witness a years-long battle in the courts over whether cops could stop black men and subject them to sidewalk strip searches simply because of the neighborhood they were stopped in.

Another battle to stop and then extract an apology from the same cops for illegal surveillance of houses of worship because they belonged to the “wrong” religion.

Every week, we watch another video of cops who beat the shit out of a minority for having some leafy substance on their car’s hood, “looking” at a cop the wrong way, looking “suspicious,” being manhandled for being in a neighborhood whose white residents didn’t feel they belonged, and so forth.

This isn’t something new or different, it’s just the next logical step. “Illegals” are the first victims, but they will not be the only ones.

True.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:47:15pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Was a good time.

Also, felicitations to your brother. Give him the best wishes from the fish household.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:47:53pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Yep I can see Shapiro doing that shit. Erickson too. It’s not complicated to me. Someone can be very right on something and very wrong on others.

Hence nonideologue moderate

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:48:02pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Considering her attire and choice of seating, do we really have to guess at her opinion of black men kneeling during the Anthem?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:48:57pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

Considering her attire and choice of seating, do we really have to guess at her opinion of black men kneeling during the Anthem?

Thing is, she’s got all the attributes required to captivate the attention of another generation of wingnut men: Long blond hair, a sexually attractive body, and absolutely no brain whatsoever.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:49:01pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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She’s such a loser. I’m sorry but she’s chosen to make herself a right wing folk hero because she posed with a gun at her graduation looking like a damned fool. Btw her coffee cup makes her look even more deranged.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:49:42pm

re: #218 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Thing is, she’s got all the attributes required to captivate the attention of another generation of wingnut men: Long blond hair, a sexually attractive body, and absolutely no brain whatsoever.

She’ll be booked on FNC if not already.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:50:06pm

re: #218 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Thing is, she’s got all the attributes required to captivate the attention of another generation of wingnut men: Long blond hair, a sexually attractive body, and absolutely no brain whatsoever.

Hence why she’s a “champion for gun rights” or whatever the knuckle-draggers choose to dub her.

But change her political persuasion and they’d be degrading her as a “feminazi.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:50:13pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

She’ll be booked on FNC if not already.

You probably remember this, but upthread, I mentioned her as a replacement for Dana Mahgunz at the helm of the NRA.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:51:12pm

re: #215 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Also, felicitations to your brother. Give him the best wishes from the fish household.

Thanks. Was a big day for him. His in laws threw a great party. We have another grad party tomorrow for a cousin. My niece is going to be disappointed since there won’t be Inca Cola and Peruvian food st this one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:51:24pm

This I didn’t know:

The Titanic: The top-secret mission behind its discovery

The search for the sunken ship was actually a front for a hunt ordered by President Ronald Reagan to find two lost Cold War submarines.

bbc.com (video, 3:00)

An interview with the man who led the hunt for the submarines USS Scorpion and Thresher, noting the search for the RMS Titanic was the cover story for the military mission. (Includes video of the steamer and pictures of relics from the ship)

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Winston_Smith  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:51:51pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

She is remarkably unattractive. Maybe she can be a fill in host for Limbaugh.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:51:59pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Thanks. Was a big day for him. His in laws threw a great party. We have another grad party tomorrow for a cousin. My niece is going to be disappointed since there won’t be Inca Cola and Peruvian food st this one.

Oooh, Peruvian food. Mrs. Fish has opened my eyes to the wonders of foreign cuisine. My best man was Colombian, is it much different?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:52:25pm

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹

This I didn’t know:

The Titanic: The top-secret mission behind its discovery

The search for the sunken ship was actually a front for a hunt ordered by President Ronald Reagan to find two lost Cold War submarines.

bbc.com (video, 3:00)

An interview with the man who led the hunt for the submarines USS Scorpion and Thresher, noting the search for the SS Titanic was the cover story for the military mission. (Includes video of the steamer and pictures of relics from the ship)

Guess that’s one good thing Reagan did even if not intended.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:53:05pm

motherjones.com

The past four decades have seen an ever-tightening alliance between American evangelicals and the Republican Party, and few have played as pivotal a role in fostering that coupling as Reverend Rob Schenck. The evangelical minister from Buffalo, New York, gained national notoriety in the 1990s as a fervent anti-abortion activist who orchestrated shocking stunts to promote his cause, including one in which an aborted fetus was thrust in the face of then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton. His keen ability to advance religiously conservative causes brought him to the nation’s capital and the epicenter of politically conservative power circles. During the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, he boosted the right’s anti-abortion and anti-LBGT agenda, netting great success with the Clinton-era Defense of Marriage Act and Bush’s partial-birth abortion ban.

But today, Schenck is, in many respects, unrecognizable. He’s distanced himself from many of his fellow evangelical pastors and former political allies, leaving his anti-abortion work behind in favor of another pro-life cause, though one uncommon among American evangelicals: gun control.

Schenck attributes this transformation to his late-career doctorate in ministry—specifically, his research on Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a German pastor who questioned the symbiotic, and problematic, relationship that emerged between Adolf Hitler and 1930s German evangelical churches. Schenck began seeing parallels in the closeness between the American evangelical church and the Republican Party, and wondering if the religious institution to which he’d dedicated his life had become complicit in providing a spiritual veneer for a hate-filled political agenda. Schenck says the result of this codependence culminated in 2016, with four-fifths of white American evangelicals supporting President Donald Trump, whose behavior often stands in sharp contrast to traditional Christian values. Schenck, still an activist to his core, is now a voice of ethical reform in American evangelicalism and public policy, specifically on gun safety.

Schenck explores this Trumpian phenomenon and his personal evolution in his new memoir, Costly Grace: An Evangelical Minister’s Rediscovery of Faith, Hope and Love. He is self-critical as he explores the forces that gave way to the ultimate abandonment of his former values, highlighting particular moments when his thirst for power and influence overrode his pillars of faith. Ultimately, the work is a meditation on the thorny relationship between religious leaders and politicians, and the dangers that lie in getting too close to the sun…..

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:53:52pm

re: #226 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oooh, Peruvian food. Mrs. Fish has opened my eyes to the wonders of foreign cuisine. My best man was Colombian, is it much different?

Can’t say not having had Colombian. More chicken I’d say and lots of potatoes. My other brother’s wife probably got a kick out of the affair. Doubt she’s been to too many Hispanic fiestas.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:55:23pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

Another conservative violating the US Flag Code they claim to care about so much. (A flag laying on the ground doesn’t make any difference if it is polyester or terrycloth, and sitting on the flag is also prohibited.)

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:55:31pm

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹

This I didn’t know:

The Titanic: The top-secret mission behind its discovery

The search for the sunken ship was actually a front for a hunt ordered by President Ronald Reagan to find two lost Cold War submarines.

bbc.com (video, 3:00)

An interview with the man who led the hunt for the submarines USS Scorpion and Thresher, noting the search for the SS Titanic was the cover story for the military mission. (Includes video of the steamer and pictures of relics from the ship)

I knew, but that’s mostly because I’m a Titanic fanatic. Both the Scorpion and Thresher had been discovered years before, the “expedition” was more a case of checking up on them and ensuring that they weren’t leaking any radioactivity from their reactors and (then secret) nuclear torpedoes. After both sites had been surveyed, there was still time left on the clock before the ship had to be back in port, so Ballard was free to test a theory as to the final resting place of RMS Titanic. They actually were on their last days before they had to return to port when they chanced upon a boot, then a boiler, then finally the wreck itself.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:55:59pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Can’t say not having had Colombian. More chicken I’d say and lots of potatoes. My other brother’s wife probably got a kick out of the affair. Doubt she’s been to too many Hispanic fiestas.

I was an attendee at my best man’s wedding, they got married before Mrs. Fish and I did. It was a wild affair, that’s for damn sure. I’d actually wager it’s probably about the same, since they’re close in proximity in South America. I just haven’t had any legit Peruvian food to be able to compare. Those two wound up being a crazy couple that have been roaming restlessly around North and South America for the better part of a decade. Good for them for pulling it off, I’m a little bit envious, but on the other hand, I’m glad to be grounded and established.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:57:41pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Guess that’s one good thing Reagan did even if not intended.

Remember the Glomar Challenger, which confirmed plate tectonics, was a sister ship of the Glomar Explorer, which raised that Soviet submarine in the Pacific, and was built for the same kind of mission. Not harvesting manganese nodules from the seabed, as advertised.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:58:00pm

re: #232 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was an attendee at my best man’s wedding, they got married before Mrs. Fish and I did. It was a wild affair, that’s for damn sure. I’d actually wager it’s probably about the same, since they’re close in proximity in South America. I just haven’t had any legit Peruvian food to be able to compare. Those two wound up being a crazy couple that have been roaming restlessly around North and South America for the better part of a decade. Good for them for pulling it off, I’m a little bit envious, but on the other hand, I’m glad to be grounded and established.

The chicken is great but there’s a lot of good dishes.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 6:58:53pm

re: #233 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Remember the Glomar Challenger, which confirmed plate tectonics, was a sister ship of the Glomar Explorer, which raised that Soviet submarine in the Pacific, and was built for the same kind of mission. Not harvesting manganese nodules from the seabed, as advertised.

Actually no, interesting. Sea exploration fascinated me that said.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:01:44pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

The chicken is great but there’s a lot of good dishes.

I’m coming to believe that chicken is the universal dish. Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Middle Eastern, African, South American - order the “chicken whatever” and you’re bound to get something reasonably palatable.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:02:12pm

By the way, that first search for the Titanic was primitive even by the standards of the day. It amounted to towing a sled with video cameras at the end of a long cable, with crew sitting in a chair for hours watching the feed as the ship moved at a snail’s pace through a search grid. And the initial photographic survey of the wreck was conducted by an even older rig which dated back to the 60s. So you had to lower it down, take the photos, then drag it back up to develop the film. And considering Titanic sits 2 1/4 miles down, you’re talking a wait of hours just to see if you got anything worth keeping.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:03:54pm

re: #236 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And I guess you could include “North American” if you’re talking BBQ chicken or fried chicken. I guess it really is the universal dish.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:04:25pm

re: #236 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m coming to believe that chicken is the universal dish. Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Middle Eastern, African, South American - order the “chicken whatever” and you’re bound to get something reasonably palatable.

Yeah I think so too.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:05:22pm

Fried chicken is proof that, buried somewhere deep in our DNA, we really hate the dinosaurs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:06:11pm

re: #240 Belafon

Fried chicken is proof that, buried somewhere deep in our DNA, we really hate the dinosaurs.

It just makes you wonder how far back our ancestors discovered that putting pieces of hacked-up dinosaur in hot oil tasted really good.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:06:42pm

Dumplings are another universal dish. I grew up on pierogis.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:07:35pm

re: #241 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It just makes you wonder how far back our ancestors discovered that putting pieces of hacked-up dinosaur in hot oil tasted really good.

Kentucky Fried Raptor. Colonel Flintstone.

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:08:01pm

re: #236 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m coming to believe that chicken is the universal dish. Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Middle Eastern, African, South American - order the “chicken whatever” and you’re bound to get something reasonably palatable.

Not quite.

Swedish meatballs all over the universe

Youtube Video

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:08:22pm

re: #244 sagehen

Alright, alright, you win an Internet for that one.

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stpaulbear  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:10:05pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:10:08pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Dumplings are another universal dish. I grew up on pierogis.

Ah Friday nights back in Pittsburgh—Pierogi and fish sandwiches!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:10:18pm

re: #241 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It just makes you wonder how far back our ancestors discovered that putting pieces of hacked-up dinosaur in hot oil tasted really good.

Cats and dogs come running at the smell of roasted or fried chicken, too. Are enough birds getting struck by lightning out in the wild for this behavior to evolve?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:10:28pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Dumplings are another universal dish. I grew up on pierogis.

I did as well. My father’s parents taught my mother and her mother how to make pierogi.

After that, it was pierogi for breakfast, for lunch, for dinner, you name it.

I capped it off with the “pierogi tour” of Poland a few years ago.

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TedStriker  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:11:26pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Yikes.

As relatively liberal as Francis is, especially compared to his predecessors (with the exception of JPII, perhaps), he’s still the Pope of the Catholic Church; if he didn’t say something like this, the conservative wing would have a shit fit.

Frankly, I’m surprised it took this long.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:11:43pm

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹

I did as well. My father’s parents taught my mother and her mother how to make pierogi.

After that, it was pierogi for breakfast, for lunch, for dinner, you name it.

I capped it off with the “pierogi tour” of Poland a few years ago.

My aunt makes em homemade. So good.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:12:33pm

Every other Friday was Pierogi night when I was a kid. Dad would get a couple dozen mixed and we would play a game to name the stuffing in the pierogi—potato, cottage cheese or sauerkraut. If you were right you got to ladle an extra spoon of grilled onions on the pierogi…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:12:52pm

re: #247 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Ah Friday nights back in Pittsburgh—Pierogi and fish sandwiches!

Can take the family outta Western Pa and Slovakia but you can’t the Western Pa & Slovakia outta the family.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:13:39pm

re: #250 TedStriker

As relatively liberal as Francis is, especially compared to his predecessors (with the exception of JPII, perhaps), he’s still the Pope of the Catholic Church; if he didn’t say something like this, the conservative wing would have a shit fit.

Frankly, I’m surprised it took this long.

He’s actually done this before iirc and made ridiculous comments about SSM.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:15:25pm

re: #250 TedStriker

As relatively liberal as Francis is, especially compared to his predecessors (with the exception of JPII, perhaps), he’s still the Pope of the Catholic Church; if he didn’t say something like this, the conservative wing would have a shit fit.

Frankly, I’m surprised it took this long.

He did not have to invoke Nazis. Mike Godwin reserved that for the current maladministration.

Pope Francis arguably equated abortion to the most evil European movement of the XX Century. You may recall what we did with that movement (we killed them).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:17:29pm

I think the church aside from the obvious reasons should avoid comparing choice to the Holocaust especially given the complicity of some clergy I.e msny priests in the Utasse regime of Croatia in the Holocaust.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:18:40pm

re: #244 sagehen

Not quite.

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I didn’t remember that from Babylon 5 itself. In the sequel series that I can never remember the name of, Citizen G’Kar sends the principals off on their mission with some profound wisdom—Just remember three things: First, [some pretentious philosophical gobbledeygook]. Secondly, every species has a dish like what humans call Swedish meatballs. Thirdly, [more philosophical mumbo-jumbo].

Andreas Katsulas was a great loss.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:21:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:22:10pm

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump supporters: I’m cool with this.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:26:22pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Trump supporters: I’m cool with this.

“If they didn’t come here, we wouldn’t have to lock them up! And Democrats could just end this by approving funding for the wall!”

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:26:27pm

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:27:22pm

re: #261 Belafon

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12 out of 13 times, a twitter embed will separate the tweets. And then it doesn’t when you need it to.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:27:54pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

“If they didn’t come here, we wouldn’t have to lock them up! And Democrats could just end this by approving funding for the wall!”

They seriously think the only reason we support them is they’ll vote Democratic. I won’t complain if that’s a side effect tbh.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:29:42pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

They seriously think the only reason we support them is they’ll vote Democratic. I won’t complain if that’s a side effect tbh.

They take every single effort they can, including inventing new ones, to make “illegals” feel unwelcome in this country…and then argue that the negative opinions such engender are reason enough to keep them out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:32:01pm

i am ded…

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:32:43pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:32:58pm

More Titanic Trivia:

Years before Ballard found her, a Texas Oil Baron by the name of Jack Grimm had financed not one, not two but three expeditions to try and find it. At one point his team came across something propeller-esque, leading Grimm to jump the gun and claim he’d found Titanic (or at least some of it). Later investigations would determine at least one of Grimms expeditions did actually come within a few nautical miles of where Titanic was.

One of the reasons it took explorers so many years to find the ship, aside from technological hurdles was that it was located quite aways from where its last reported position was. The officers on board overestimated her speed and so her final recorded co-ordinates are about 20 miles to the west from where she actually went down.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:34:28pm

re: #266 Belafon

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I get you’re supposed to defend your clients but sheesh.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:38:42pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

“If they didn’t come here, we wouldn’t have to lock them up! And Democrats could just end this by approving funding for the wall!”

I got in a comment argument with a wingnut at The Hill over this, with him noting the Democrats (“Demon-rats”) are the ones being uncompromising.

I pointed out that if the Republicans actually cared about what was going on, and if they think they can actually sell the Tortilla Curtain as a good idea to the American public, they could enter those as separate bills. After all, the GOP controls the House and Senate.

He then claimed I had no understanding of civics.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:39:59pm
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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:40:09pm

re: #269 Anymouse 🌹

I got in a comment argument with a wingnut at The Hill over this, with him noting the Democrats (“Demon-rats”) are the ones being uncompromising.

I pointed out that if the Republicans actually cared about what was going on, and if they think they can actually sell the Tortilla Curtain as a good idea to the American public, they could enter those as separate bills. After all, the GOP controls the House and Senate.

He then claimed I had no understanding of civics.

I guess civics means extortion.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:41:21pm

WHAT IS THIS CLEAR LIQUID FALLING FROM THE SKY?!? *runs around house screaming*

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:41:31pm

re: #269 Anymouse 🌹

I got in a comment argument with a wingnut at The Hill over this, with him noting the Democrats (“Demon-rats”) are the ones being uncompromising.

I pointed out that if the Republicans actually cared about what was going on, and if they think they can actually sell the Tortilla Curtain as a good idea to the American public, they could enter those as separate bills. After all, the GOP controls the House and Senate.

He then claimed I had no understanding of civics.

They’ve been taught for decades now that “compromise” and “bipartisanship” means getting what they want and Democrats settling for not looking like they’re on “the wrong side of history.” They know funding would never pass on its own, so it gets rolled into major bills that might otherwise pass on their own, at which point Democrats are told if they have no problem with the core bill then they should be okay with the wall funding. And if they oppose the wall funding, then they oppose the entire bill and thus are “monsters.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:42:52pm

I just remember all the concessions that Obama gave Boehner on the budget and it still wasn’t good enough for fuckface Jim Jordan and his friends.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:43:51pm

re: #272 teleskiguy

WHAT IS THIS CLEAR LIQUID FALLING FROM THE SKY?!? *runs around house screaming*

Donuts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:44:07pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

Yup, that was exactly his argument, along with claiming Democrats actually don’t care about Dreamers (also put up as hostages).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:48:37pm

Republicans only care about bipartisanship when they know they look like shit and need Democrats to clean up after their mess. They know this policy is shit. But they know also that their base is full of assholes with views on immigrants resembling the Know Nothings.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:49:30pm

re: #276 Anymouse 🌹

Yup, that was exactly his argument, along with claiming Democrats actually don’t care about Dreamers (also put up as hostages).

Democrats don’t care about DREAMers so much that it was a Democratic president that created the problem and urged the President not to end the problem. Trump didn’t have to end DREAM. He did. I hope every last Hispanic-American votes against the GOP and ensures their demise as a serious party in this country.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:53:35pm

I want what Pete Wilson did to the California GOP to go nationwide.

Note that this is the second Senate election in a row that there will be NO Republican on the November ballot. This is unprecedented. There are also around ten Congressional districts that won’t have a Republican on the ballot either.

I want Latinos to flee the GOP in the same proportion as African Americans. That will kill the GOP as a national party.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:53:55pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Democrats don’t care about DREAMers so much that it was a Democratic president that created the problem and urged the President not to end the problem. Trump didn’t have to end DREAM. He did. I hope every last Hispanic-American votes against the GOP and ensures their demise as a serious party in this country.

DACA was an executive solution to a problem with our immigration system. Of course we care about DREAMERS. If your only real memory of a country is America, being shipped somewhere else would be scary as fuck, and you can die from it.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:54:27pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Republicans only care about bipartisanship when they know they look like shit and need Democrats to clean up after their mess. They know this policy is shit. But they know also that their base is full of assholes with views on immigrants resembling the Know Nothings.

It’s worse than that, the bill is basically Stephen “Dead Eyes” Miller’s wet dream put on paper. The fate of Dreamers is really only thrown in as a sop towards disapproval among their constituents in purple districts who feel that these kids did nothing wrong and deserve to stay here if they work hard and obey the law. And even that is chained to funding for the Tortilla Curtain, the thinking being that a future Democrat can’t cut funding without endangering the safety of Dreamers. So even when they try to play at having souls, they reveal how hollow they are by forcing a Hobson’s Choice: Fund the wall or get nothing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:55:31pm

Weighing in with local news from Bold Nebraska:

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Last Sunday in Neligh, a new chapter was written in a long-running story in American, and Native American history.

The setting was a corn field, on land originally inhabited by the Ponca Tribe, who were forcibly removed along the “Trail of Tears” to Oklahoma at the hands of the U.S. government over 140 years ago.

This same land on the “Trail of Tears” has been in the family of Nebraska farmers Art & Helen Tanderup for generations since — and now, it also lies in the path of the proposed Keystone XL tarsands export pipeline.

Over the past five years, this land has nurtured seeds of Sacred Ponca Corn, restored to ancestral Ponca homeland in Nebraska after a 137-year absence, planted and harvested each year by members of the Ponca Nation, the Cowboy & Indian Alliance, and everyday Nebraskans. These “Seeds of Resistance” now nourish the Ponca, and inspire Water Protectors around the country and world where they have been planted with communities standing up to protect land and water.

On Sunday, the Tanderup family gifted this land back to the Ponca Nation.

On top of the buffalo robe that was gifted to Art by Native friends after hosting the “Harvest the Hope” NoKXL benefit concert on his farm with Willie Nelson and Neil Young, Art and Helen signed the agreement gifting the land to the Ponca, represented by Chairman Larry Wright, Jr., of the Ponca Tribe of Nebraska, and Councilwoman Casey Camp-Horinek, of the Ponca Nation of Oklahoma.

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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:55:36pm

re: #160 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Very nice! Mrs. Fish brought home a different treat for me to grill tomorrow: Sheboygan Beer Brats. I’m a Johnsonville guy, myself, so I’m actually interested to see how the competing product turns out. Gotta hand it to Wisconsin, though - I found one thing (well, two, if you include cheese curds) that they’re actually good for.

When I was young, we always took our vacations up in a teeny town in northern Wisconsin (Summit Lake), and my father, a foodie if there ever was, found a backwoods butcher who made his own brauts and other sausages. I have never in my life had brauts as good as those. I’d drive a long way to get some again!

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:57:16pm

re: #83 calochortus

I visited Great Basin National Park two years ago, looking for some skiing off the flanks of Wheeler Peak. Beautiful area, some of the darkest skies I’ve ever seen. Ski touring was a breeze, lots of nice ridges to navigate. Didn’t get too crazy, it was spring, the snow was in a freeze/thaw cycle and had to be frozen for it to be safe, so I was off the snow before noon both days I was there

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:57:56pm

re: #280 Belafon

DACA was an executive solution to a problem with our immigration system. Of course we care about DREAMERS. If your only real memory of a country is America, being shipped somewhere else would be scary as fuck, and you can die from it.

I saw some one apologist for this policy comment on a friend’s post that “Who’s worse, the parents that brought their kids along 4000 miles or the government for temporarily separating them” and I just wanted to scream at how tone deaf that was. These people are fleeing the worst conditions. And it hit close to home to me since one of my own ancestors as a small child went 4000 miles or so across the Atlantic to flee a famine.

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calochortus  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:58:38pm

re: #163 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

A great National Park and one that is not crowded because it’s really out in the middle of nowhere. I’m glad you are enjoying it! I love my state! Well, not Las Vegas, but…

I like Nevada a lot. When I was younger I was less impressed because usually one just takes I-80 to get across it. Now, if I were building a freeway, I’d sure build it right through the middle of the Humboldt Sink too since it’s flat, but it’s not a scenic route. US 50? That’s lovely. It’s getting a lot more traffic than it used to, though.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 7:58:43pm

re: #281 Targetpractice

It’s worse than that, the bill is basically Stephen “Dead Eyes” Miller’s wet dream put on paper. The fate of Dreamers is really only thrown in as a sop towards disapproval among their constituents in purple districts who feel that these kids did nothing wrong and deserve to stay here if they work hard and obey the law. And even that is chained to funding for the Tortilla Curtain, the thinking being that a future Democrat can’t cut funding without endangering the safety of Dreamers. So even when they try to play at having souls, they reveal how hollow they are by forcing a Hobson’s Choice: Fund the wall or get nothing.

If there’s a gut wrenching and utterly disgusting policy pushed by the WH, it almost always has Miller’s dead eyes all over it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:01:28pm

re: #284 teleskiguy

Oh, and the only person I saw was the park ranger that took my money to get in. Pure solitude.

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:01:44pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I saw some one apologist for this policy comment on a friend’s post that “Who’s worse, the parents that brought their kids along 4000 miles or the government for temporarily separating them” and I just wanted to scream at how tone deaf that was. These people are fleeing the worst conditions. And it hit close to home to me since one of my own ancestors as a small child went 4000 miles or so across the Atlantic to flee a famine.

The answer is, the government. “What’s worse, the parent that took the kid on a 600 mile trip to get to a new job, or to police officer that arrested her for sleeping in her car?”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:02:29pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I saw some one apologist for this policy comment on a friend’s post that “Who’s worse, the parents that brought their kids along 4000 miles or the government for temporarily separating them” and I just wanted to scream at how tone deaf that was. These people are fleeing the worst conditions. And it hit close to home to me since one of my own ancestors as a small child went 4000 miles or so across the Atlantic to flee a famine.

Such people have no clue what environments immigrants have left. I think they assume it’s just like moving from, say, Pittsburgh, to, say, Cincinnati. IOW, no big deal. As uninformed and unaware as they are, they don’t understand that people are leaving war zones, where they fear for their lives. People don’t just walk or rail-hop 4,000 miles for no good reason.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:02:41pm

Triggered!

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:02:50pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I saw some one apologist for this policy comment on a friend’s post that “Who’s worse, the parents that brought their kids along 4000 miles or the government for temporarily separating them” and I just wanted to scream at how tone deaf that was. These people are fleeing the worst conditions. And it hit close to home to me since one of my own ancestors as a small child went 4000 miles or so across the Atlantic to flee a famine.

On a long enough scale, any length of time can be considered “temporary.” There were Americans who were jammed into internment camps for the entirety of WWII, but it was deemed “temporary” and they were (effectively) told to “get over it” and “move on.” Why? Because the federal gov’t had been slapped on the wrist for violating their rights and so had “apologized” for making a mockery of the nation’s guiding principles. They were given some “go away” money and that was supposed to be that.

And those of us who remember our history also know that the Nazis started up the first concentration camps on the grounds that they were “temporary,” to only be used while the “crisis” was addressed and then the prisoners released at a nebulous point in the future. As has been noted in this thread and past ones, they even went through the trouble of building camps whose only purpose was to fool international observers into believing they were benevolent in their treatment of these “temporary” prisoners.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:04:10pm

re: #289 Belafon

The answer is, the government. “What’s worse, the parent that took the kid on a 600 mile trip to get to a new job, or to police officer that arrested her for sleeping in her car?”

Yeah of course it is. A parent wants to do anything possible to give their child a better life. These people are fleeing some of the worst conditions possible.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:04:27pm

re: #292 Targetpractice

On a long enough scale, any length of time can be considered “temporary.” There were Americans who were jammed into internment camps for the entirety of WWII, but it was deemed “temporary” and they were (effectively) told to “get over it” and “move on.” Why? Because the federal gov’t had been slapped on the wrist for violating their rights and so had “apologized” for making a mockery of the nation’s guiding principles. They were given some “go away” money and that was supposed to be that.

And those of us who remember our history also know that the Nazis started up the first concentration camps on the grounds that they were “temporary,” to only be used while the “crisis” was addressed and then the prisoners released at a nebulous point in the future. As has been noted in this thread and past ones, they even went through the trouble of building camps whose only purpose was to fool international observers into believing they were benevolent in their treatment of these “temporary” prisoners.

Exactly, you nail it.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:04:48pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

“If they didn’t come here, we wouldn’t have to lock them up! And Democrats could just end this by approving funding for the wall!”

Feinstein that democrat came up with a bill. If it passes will you sign it?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:05:17pm

re: #290 wheat-dogg

Such people have no clue what environments immigrants have left. I think they assume it’s just like moving from, say, Pittsburgh, to, say, Cincinnati. IOW, no big deal. As uninformed and unaware as they are, they don’t understand that people are leaving war zones, where they fear for their lives. People don’t just walk or rail-hop 4,000 miles for no good reason.

One example, but from Syria:

World Refugee Day: A friendship forged by war and exile

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:06:19pm

re: #295 dangerman

Feinstein that democrat came up with a bill. If it passes will you sign it?

*uncomfortable cough* “I’ll have to review the bill, but I have doubts it will pass as is. Democrats would be better off supporting the bill put up by our leadership, as it is more ‘comprehensive’ and addresses their concerns as well as ours. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a lunch date at the White House.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:06:39pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

Triggered!

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You know as someone who grew up with MS-13 in their region. I am so fucking sick of Trump who just learned about them in the past couple years using them as a means to scare people about Hispanic immigrants. I know a lot of El Salvadorans. In fact, one of them is married to my brother’s wife’s sister and he’s one of the greatest guys I know. A huge heart who treats my niece as his own blood niece and is always so kind to my grandmother. The WH wants MS-13 to be the rationale to denying men, women, and children fleeing violence being denied admittance to our country. Fuck that I say.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:08:47pm

re: #290 wheat-dogg

Such people have no clue what environments immigrants have left. I think they assume it’s just like moving from, say, Pittsburgh, to, say, Cincinnati. IOW, no big deal. As uninformed and unaware as they are, they don’t understand that people are leaving war zones, where they fear for their lives. People don’t just walk or rail-hop 4,000 miles for no good reason.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. If I knew my child was growing up in a place like that, I’d do everything possible ot make sure they got a better life. Here’s the thing. We should actually be honored that these people want to come here. It is a reflection on the American dream that they see us as their place of refuge. The irony is the people who fear these newcomers the most will deal with them the least. They’re not going to these right wing strongholds that refuse to change.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:10:03pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

I just remember all the concessions that Obama gave Boehner on the budget and it still wasn’t good enough for fuckface Jim Jordan and his friends.

They did this on the West wing. It was a good couple of episodes

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:10:42pm

re: #300 dangerman

They did this on the West wing. It was a good couple of episodes

I regret I haven’t caught that show ever.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:11:51pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Desperate times call for desperate measures. If I knew my child was growing up in a place like that, I’d do everything possible ot make sure they got a better life. Here’s the thing. We should actually be honored that these people want to come here. It is a reflection on the American dream that they see us as their place of refuge. The irony is the people who fear these newcomers the most will deal with them the least. They’re not going to these right wing strongholds that refuse to change.

But, they’d be more than happy to employ as gardeners or housekeepers, and pay them below minimum wage and avoid the employer’s FICA tax.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:13:00pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Desperate times call for desperate measures. If I knew my child was growing up in a place like that, I’d do everything possible ot make sure they got a better life. Here’s the thing. We should actually be honored that these people want to come here. It is a reflection on the American dream that they see us as their place of refuge. The irony is the people who fear these newcomers the most will deal with them the least. They’re not going to these right wing strongholds that refuse to change.

That depends on which right-wing stronghold. Nebraska has taken in the most refugees of any state in relation to the population of a state. (We have a lot of room here.)

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:13:31pm

Oy.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:16:01pm

re: #290 wheat-dogg

Such people have no clue what environments immigrants have left. I think they assume it’s just like moving from, say, Pittsburgh, to, say, Cincinnati. IOW, no big deal. As uninformed and unaware as they are, they don’t understand that people are leaving war zones, where they fear for their lives. People don’t just walk or rail-hop 4,000 miles *** for no good reason.

*** Bringing virtually nothing with them
It’s not like there’s an allied Van lines truck following gonna shown up in two weeks with their “stuff”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:17:26pm

re: #305 dangerman

*** Bringing virtually nothing with them
It’s not like there’s an allied Van lines truck following gonna shown up in two weeks with their “stuff”

Bringing only their rosaries, and even those are taken from them.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:17:39pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

Triggered!

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In addition to having very specific memories that can be edited in a fashion that George Orwell’s fictional Ministry of Truth would have envied, they also have absolutely no sense of scale whatsoever. They hear “10K in the entire country” and they assume that a single MS-13 member could wipe out an entire town unaided.

This is the same crowd who mindlessly yammers every time a new video of police violence comes out that liberals are “blowing things out of proportion” and insist that it’s “just a few bad apples” because they don’t see coverage of these videos on their preferred state media until it’s to criticize liberals for making a big fuss over a “lawful arrest.”

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:18:14pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

*uncomfortable cough* “I’ll have to review the bill, but I have doubts it will pass as is. Democrats would be better off supporting the bill put up by our leadership, as it is more ‘comprehensive’ and addresses their concerns as well as ours. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a lunch date at the White House.”

9.5
Youda got 10 if you weaved in golf

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calochortus  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:19:16pm

re: #288 teleskiguy

Oh, and the only person I saw was the park ranger that took my money to get in. Pure solitude.

There are more people in the summer, but still not a lot. But we’ve never had to pay anything to get in. Were you camping? There would be a fee for that.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:19:47pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:19:59pm

re: #304 teleskiguy

Oy.

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Electric cars in the immediate future are a technological dead-end. The compromises to make them work totally outweigh any supposed benefit for owning one. They are bringing back the worst image of automobiles that Ford’s Model T helped destroy: That of cars as a luxury item that the wealthy owned as a symbol of prestige.

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:20:29pm

re: #309 calochortus

There are more people in the summer, but still not a lot. But we’ve never had to pay anything to get in. Were you camping? There would be a fee for that.

I was camping.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:21:38pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

I regret I haven’t caught that show ever.

It makes me nostalgic for what could have been
Mostly they portrayed earnest and dedicated public servants
They all tried to do their best. Make their jobs work
No one was in it for themselves or what they could get personally

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makeitstop  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:21:41pm

re: #306 wheat-dogg

Bringing only their rosaries, and even those are taken from them.

And just think that these people pinned this country as their last, best hope, and then they get here and that hope is dashed. I can’t imagine how discouraging that would feel.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:22:15pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

In addition to having very specific memories that can be edited in a fashion that George Orwell’s fictional Ministry of Truth would have envied, they also have absolutely no sense of scale whatsoever. They hear “10K in the entire country” and they assume that a single MS-13 member could wipe out an entire town unaided.

This is the same crowd who mindlessly yammers every time a new video of police violence comes out that liberals are “blowing things out of proportion” and insist that it’s “just a few bad apples” because they don’t see coverage of these videos on their preferred state media until it’s to criticize liberals for making a big fuss over a “lawful arrest.”

10,000 out of a population in the country of 320,000,000 is … let’s see … carry the 1 … 0.003125%. If you put all of them in Scottsbluff, they would be outnumbered 2 to 1, not to mention all the guns in Scottsbluff.

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calochortus  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:22:23pm

re: #312 teleskiguy

I was camping.

Brrrrr!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:23:20pm

re: #308 dangerman

9.5
Youda got 10 if you weaved in golf

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a lunch date at the White House Mar-a-Lago.

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retired cynic  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:23:38pm

re: #310 teleskiguy

Whoa. Just found out this is a thing.

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I’ve got a vinyl recording somewhere (I think: maybe it is just in my head) of the U of IL Jazz Band playing that big band style. (late 60s) Still makes my hair stand up just thinking of it. Heck of an arrangement.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:24:13pm

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

10,000 out of a population in the country of 320,000,000 is … let’s see … carry the 1 … 0.003125%. If you put all of them in Scottsbluff, they would be outnumbered 2 to 1, not to mention all the guns in Scottsbluff.

True, but you gotta remember most of these nitwits rarely move outside their own little circle of friends/family, so they have no sense of scale for what 10K looks like. To them, it might as well be an invading army, here to kill their men, rape their women, and force their kids to speak “not English.”

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teleskiguy  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:24:59pm

re: #316 calochortus

Brrrrr!

Four season North Face tent and a sleeping bag (rated to -10° F) in a bivouac sack on an air mattress. I was cozy!

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Belafon  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:25:02pm

re: #311 Targetpractice

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Electric cars in the immediate future are a technological dead-end. The compromises to make them work totally outweigh any supposed benefit for owning one. They are bringing back the worst image of automobiles that Ford’s Model T helped destroy: That of cars as a luxury item that the wealthy owned as a symbol of prestige.

Considering the price of an F150 or Ram, most of the cars are moving out of affordable. On the other hand, a lot of new tech only becomes affordable when the wealthy pay for the research.

But, I think purely electric cars need to get with some of the new solid battery technology being developed.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:25:24pm

Republicans have all decided Joe Arpaio is worthy of emulation.

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Bass Reeves  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:25:37pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

As dumb and racist as she is, that is an apparently legitimate stance for shooting. I mean, she’s still doing it kind of wrong, but if you google ‘action shooting’, you’ll see it has a niche. That niche ain’t combat, but it exists.

Unfortunately.

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dangerman  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:25:43pm

re: #319 Targetpractice

True, but you gotta remember most of these nitwits rarely move outside their own little circle of friends/family, so they have no sense of scale for what 10K looks like. To them, it might as well be an invading army, here to kill their men, rape their women, and force their kids to speak “not English.”

10k?
More people at a trump rally. //

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:26:42pm

re: #319 Targetpractice

True, but you gotta remember most of these nitwits rarely move outside their own little circle of friends/family, so they have no sense of scale for what 10K looks like. To them, it might as well be an invading army, here to kill their men, rape their women, and force their kids to speak “not English.”

Well, 10,000 is the officers and crew of two whole aircraft carriers. Aircraft carriers can do a lot of damage.

It still gets me here when folk said they were scared for us traveling to Poland because they were afraid ISIS was about to invade it. We’ve even gotten a couple of “are you sures” about traveling to Canada.

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scottslemmons  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:28:00pm

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

10,000 out of a population in the country of 320,000,000 is … let’s see … carry the 1 … 0.003125%. If you put all of them in Scottsbluff, they would be outnumbered 2 to 1, not to mention all the guns in Scottsbluff.

By way of comparison, there are over 63 million people who think Nazis are Very Fine People and who are thus a much greater threat to the nation than any garden variety street gang.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:28:03pm

re: #322 jaunte

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Republicans have all decided Joe Arpaio is worthy of emulation.

You have to remember we’re dealing with sociopaths who think that the poor in this nation “have it good” because fridges and HVAC units are dirt cheap compared to what they cost when new. They’re probably looking at images like these and thinking in their fossilized brains “I wish I had it that good when I went camping as a kid!”

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wheat-dogg  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:30:40pm

re: #314 makeitstop

And just think that these people pinned this country as their last, best hope, and then they get here and that hope is dashed. I can’t imagine how discouraging that would feel.

Trump & Co have managed to find a way to radicalize an entire demographic.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:36:23pm

re: #322 jaunte

Republicans have all decided Joe Arpaio is worthy of emulation.

Having pardoned Arapaio, I wouldn’t be much surprised if they put him in charge of this. He has experience in the area.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:37:09pm

re: #328 wheat-dogg

Trump & Co have managed to find a way to radicalize an entire demographic.

Well, the RepubliKKKlan Party is breathing its’ last gasp because it’s going to get Californiacated.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:39:55pm

Of course, it’s wrong to think of any demographic as monolithic and wingnuts are no exception. Their views about these photos will run the gamut from:

- “These kids have it good compared to what they’d get in whatever shithole they crawled out of! They should be thankful!”

- “My tax money is going to housing these little shits, they should be grateful we’re not housing them in cages!”

- “What’s with all the whining? This is just temporary, they’ll be back with their folks in Mexico or wherever the fuck they came from just as soon as the paperwork goes through.”

- “You libruls don’t know how these kids feel, they might think this is fun like camping and wanna live out in those tents! I sure as fuck would have been happy to have a tent that nice when I was a kid!”

And so on.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:39:55pm
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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:40:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:43:34pm
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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:47:05pm

And don’t be surprised when the wingnut press start using class warfare to spin these photos, talking up all the money “wasted” on housing these kids in tent cities when it could have gone to fictional programs to invest in schools. It will be part of the whole “cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers” narrative before November.

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jaunte  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:49:43pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:51:00pm

re: #336 jaunte

So, another Ruskie.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:52:32pm

re: #336 jaunte

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I didn’t know the leading Nazi in the Trump Administration has Jewish ancestry.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:53:47pm

re: #336 jaunte

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The man’s face always looks like a raptor scoping out a nest of eggs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:56:06pm

re: #336 jaunte

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The only thing missing on Miller is an SS pin on his lapels.

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 8:58:14pm

re: #340 Joe Bacon 🌹

The only thing missing on Miller is an SS pin on his lapels.

A modern-day Goebbels, contemplating a “Final Solution to the Latino Problem.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:01:17pm

re: #304 teleskiguy

Oy.

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That’s a puncture fire. I can damn near guarantee that lady or her husband either ran over something nasty or high sided the shit out of that car sometime recently. The biggest problem Tesla faces is that the combination of new tech and ignorance gives unscrupulous people a convenient scapegoat. The other problem is that every incident becomes a national anecdote so nobody researches the actual safety statistics.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:03:39pm

By the way, has HA Goodman chimed in on why this solidifies his backing of Trump?

Oh, and has anyone heard from Susan Sarandon?

How about Vlad’s dinner date Jill Stein?

A possible peep from Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard?

How about any of Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:03:46pm

re: #342 goddamnedfrank

That’s a puncture fire. I can damn near guarantee that lady or her husband either ran over something nasty or high sided the shit out of that car sometime recently. The biggest problem Tesla faces is that the combination of new tech and ignorance gives unscrupulous people a convenient scapegoat. The other problem is that every incident becomes a national anecdote so nobody researches the actual safety statistics.

Gasoline is of course a fire-retardant….

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Targetpractice  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:04:37pm

re: #343 Joe Bacon 🌹

By the way, has HA Goodman chimed in on why this solidifies his backing of Trump?

Oh, and has anyone heard from Susan Sarandon?

How about Vlad’s dinner date Jill Stein?

A possible peep from Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard?

How about any of Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals?

“HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE!”
“AMEN!”

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garzooma  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:15:08pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
The truth is that there are only about 10,000 members of MS-13 in the ENTIRE US. Exaggerating the danger of this criminal gang is one way Trump incites the cultish right wing base against immigrants in general.

Also, I just checked data on US gangs:

In 2012, there were an estimated 30,700 gangs
(an increase from 29,900 in 2011) and 850,000 gang
members (an increase from 782,500 in 2011)

That’s 30K gangs (not members). The number of members is close to a million. Getting rid of 10K MS-13 won’t put much of a dent in those kind of numbers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:15:48pm

re: #343 Joe Bacon 🌹

By the way, has HA Goodman chimed in on why this solidifies his backing of Trump?

Oh, and has anyone heard from Susan Sarandon?

How about Vlad’s dinner date Jill Stein?

A possible peep from Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard?

How about any of Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals?

The Greens won one riding. The Progressive Conservatives took the Ontario Parliament. Great job, Dr. Stein.

Sarandon is whinging someone didn’t endorse a TYT so-called “Justice Democrat.”

Nina Turner is currently in Omaha. She will be in Lincoln tomorrow if I remember the message I got from the state Democratic Party. I impolitely declined to attend.

Rep. Gabbard hasn’t been on her Twitter account since January.

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mmmirele  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:18:50pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

You know how I can tell the IG report landed with a thud? Because all the wingnuts I know (admittedly not many) don’t want to talk about it. This report was going to be the proof that Great Leader had been the victim of a grand conspiracy to sink his campaign and instead the IG came out admitting (grudgingly) that it had been Hillary who was the victim of an FBI conspiracy.

Yeah, but the nutballs think there’s a REAL IG report.

Yeah, this guy and his “homemade” (?) armored car stopped traffic on the Tillman bridge near the Hoover Dam yesterday. And it’s unclear *cough* what his motive was.

reviewjournal.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:25:39pm

re: #343 Joe Bacon 🌹

By the way, has HA Goodman chimed in on why this solidifies his backing of Trump?

Oh, and has anyone heard from Susan Sarandon?

How about Vlad’s dinner date Jill Stein?

A possible peep from Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard?

How about any of Trump’s Pulpit Pimp Pals?

Franklin Graham condemned it but I don’t trust him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:29:41pm

re: #349 HappyWarrior

Franklin Graham condemned it but I don’t trust him.

HA Goodman is plumping for some speaker at an NRA event. I don’t know who the speaker is and barely know anything about Goodman, so I guess I’m not missing anything.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:31:10pm

re: #350 Anymouse 🌹

HA Goodman is plumping for some speaker at an NRA event. I don’t know who the speaker is and barely know anything about Goodman, so I guess I’m not missing anything.

Goodman is a Rand Paul fanboy turned Sanders bro turned Trump sucker.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:32:02pm

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Goodman is a Rand Paul fanboy turned Sanders bro turned Trump sucker.

In the sailing world we call that rudderless.

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sagehen  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:34:11pm

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

10,000 out of a population in the country of 320,000,000 is … let’s see … carry the 1 … 0.003125%. If you put all of them in Scottsbluff, they would be outnumbered 2 to 1, not to mention all the guns in Scottsbluff.

Or even…

There are approximately 10 million undocumented in this country. If 10,000 of them are MS-13, that’s one out of every thousand.

The easiest way to find that one out of every thousand, the whole reason we have “sanctuary cities”… is that the other 999 of a thousand are happy to tell the cops who and where they are. If they’re not afraid to step forward and speak to the cops.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:37:56pm

re: #336 jaunte

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Miller’s mother’s family can’t stand him iirc. They’re largely liberal. They actually are from where my own mom’s family is from in Pa. Miller obviously has a lot wrong with him.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:41:35pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Miller’s mother’s family can’t stand him iirc. They’re largely liberal. They actually are from where my own mom’s family is from in Pa. Miller obviously has a lot wrong with him.

And yet Atlas Juggs will call anyone who criticizes Nethanyahu in any way a Kapo….

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HappyWarrior  Jun 16, 2018 • 9:51:50pm

re: #355 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And yet Atlas Juggs will call anyone who criticizes Nethanyahu in any way a Kapo….

Because she’s a racist witch herself.

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dell*nix  Jun 17, 2018 • 1:58:36am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

This is my gun posing picture from back in the day.

Flickr


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