Fantastic Negrito Rocks Hard: “The Duffler”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:36:27pm

still a moron

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:37:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:38:59pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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The press isn’t the enemy of the people, you stupid fiend.

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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:39:20pm
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period

I don’t give a rats ass whether you have a policy or not

You’re doing it

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:40:12pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:40:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:40:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:41:39pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I may just throw my hat in behind Merkley for his leadership on this issue should he run.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:42:27pm

good grief

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:43:09pm

Democrats are doing pretty well at getting the message out there about Trump’s inhuman family separation policy. Let’s hope they don’t screw it up by losing focus.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:45:03pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Stop lying.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:48:18pm

Tornado watch just went up in Garden County (eight miles east) and Deuel County (south of that).

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:48:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:49:00pm

moron is on a roll

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:49:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:49:35pm

fuck off moron

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Interesting Times  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:49:48pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Democrats are doing pretty well at getting the message out there about Trump’s inhuman family separation policy. Let’s hope they don’t screw it up by losing focus.

I’d like them to repeat these words over and over and over again, in every venue through every means (TV appearances, signs, bullhorns, skywriting, the projected-words thing they do to trump hotels):

Republicans control congress and the presidency. Republicans can end this cruel policy immediately but choose not to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:50:29pm
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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:50:37pm

re: #6 JordanRules

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Twitter defenses of family separation: Obama did it (he didn’t), it’s like when soldiers go to war /criminals go to jail (it’s not but we should stop doing those so much too), it’s like abortion (do your arms hurt from that reach) & you’re fat (true but not a compelling argument)

… We don’t have a policy…..

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Winston_Smith  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:51:17pm

Waiting for Bernie to show up to showboat this. Where is Bernie anyway?

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:51:53pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:52:46pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

He got regular ties instead of his extra long ones.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:53:07pm

re: #20 Winston_Smith

Waiting for Bernie to show up to showboat this. Where is Bernie anyway?

He’s been pretty quiet on this probably because he can’t blame Wall Street for it. Sorry to be snarky but the man’s immigration record did draw Steve King’s praise and I only would want Stephen King’s praise for my prose.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:53:39pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

He knows Melon is back in New York, screwing the maintenance guy.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:53:45pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Let’s see how many news stations or newspapers this ends up on.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:54:09pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is on a roll

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He can’t decide between “counsel” and “council”, and appears to have settled on the (not a word) “councel”—But “Strzok” he can spell!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:54:55pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:55:31pm

re: #25 Belafon

Let’s see how many news stations or newspapers this ends up on.

Ha!

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:57:35pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s all transactional. Win or lose. He really does have the brain of a 5-year-old.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:58:32pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

It’s all transactional. Win or lose. He really does have the brain of a 5-year-old.

And the heart of a tyrant.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:58:51pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

fuck off moron

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We should try to convince him that if his party loses both chambers of Congress, the president has to resign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:59:21pm
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:59:33pm
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TedStriker  Jun 17, 2018 • 5:59:49pm

re: #20 Winston_Smith

Waiting for Bernie to show up to showboat this. Where is Bernie anyway?

This is primarily about brown people and Bernie don’t roll with that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:00:08pm

re: #33 Belafon

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Here’s looking at you, Bernie Bro.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:00:22pm

This looks like an interesting book to read.

amazon.com

The Nazi and the Psychiatrist: Hermann Göring, Dr. Douglas M. Kelley, and a Fatal Meeting of Minds at the End of WWII

In 1945, after his capture at the end of the Second World War, Hermann Göring arrived at an American-run detention center in war-torn Luxembourg, accompanied by sixteen suitcases and a red hatbox. The suitcases contained all manner of paraphernalia: medals, gems, two cigar cutters, silk underwear, a hot water bottle, and the equivalent of 1 million in cash. Hidden in a coffee can, a set of brass vials housed glass capsules containing a clear liquid and a white precipitate: potassium cyanide. Joining Göring in the detention center were the elite of the captured Nazi regime—Grand Admiral Dönitz; armed forces commander Wilhelm Keitel and his deputy Alfred Jodl; the mentally unstable Robert Ley; the suicidal Hans Frank; the pornographic propagandist Julius Streicher—fifty-two senior Nazis in all, of whom the dominant figure was Göring.

To ensure that the villainous captives were fit for trial at Nuremberg, the US army sent an ambitious army psychiatrist, Captain Douglas M. Kelley, to supervise their mental well-being during their detention. Kelley realized he was being offered the professional opportunity of a lifetime: to discover a distinguishing trait among these arch-criminals that would mark them as psychologically different from the rest of humanity. So began a remarkable relationship between Kelley and his captors, told here for the first time with unique access to Kelley’s long-hidden papers and medical records.

Kelley’s was a hazardous quest, dangerous because against all his expectations he began to appreciate and understand some of the Nazi captives, none more so than the former Reichsmarshall, Hermann Göring. Evil had its charms.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:01:08pm

re: #34 TedStriker

This is primarily about brown people and Bernie don’t roll with that.

I think that really is the thing that pisses me off the most about Bernie. I used to kind of shrug off the fact that he went to Vermont but I do think it’s quite interesting that he went from Chicago and Brooklyn to Vermont and without fail calls issues involving PoC “distractions.”

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:01:37pm

re: #20 Winston_Smith

Well, at least he’s one of the Senators backing the Democrat’s bill.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:02:50pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

It’s all transactional. Win or lose. He really does have the brain of a 5-year-old.

Aside from Mr. Trump’s apparent lack of adult self-control, I have never met a conservative who didn’t think this way. All things are transactional: If I give you something (women’s right to vote, desegregation of schools, African-American equal rights, &c), then I am losing something.

Name a conservative who didn’t think like that.

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Cheechako  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:03:56pm

Got CL’d in the last thread.

re: #546 Ace Rothstein

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There’s a photo in here of all these kids in a huge cage. To the left there’s a sign above a door that says in italicized cursive “Leading the Charge!”

Shit!!! I spent a month at the Hurricane Katrina evacuation center at the old Kelly AFB in San Antonio TX and the 4 facilities we managed had far better conditions than these dog cages. The only fences we had were around the whole building and they were to keep the bad people out. The refugees had wrist bands which allowed them to go in/out at any time.
There were cots and blankets for everyone. AC was added to the warehouse in 2 days which cooled the 98 degrees outside temp to a reasonable 72-74 inside. Meals were not fancy but were nutritional. Families slept together in adjacent cots. There were semi-private “nursing” areas with rocking chairs for new moms to feed their kids.

Usually, there were 4,000 and up to 10,000 people served per day.

All in all, not the greatest place to stay, but far better that what the govt is providing these kids.

I have 100’s of pictures of this center but I’m reluctant to post them out of fear they’ll be misused.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:04:04pm

Here’s an article from May with Sanders’ comment. It also has the statements by Kelly and Sessions.

In an interview with NPR last week, Kelly was asked what he would say to people who say it would be “cruel and heartless” to separate a mother from her children and said, “I wouldn’t put it quite that way. The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever. But the big point is they elected to come illegally into the United States and this is a technique that no one hopes will be used extensively or for very long.”
Sanders reacted to that Sunday by saying, “I think it is heartless. I think the entire Trump views’ on immigration is heartless.”

The Vermont independent went on to say that “Trump is moving in exactly the wrong direction” on immigration policy.

“We see the cruelty of his immigration policies when you talk about the United States government separating children from their parents,” Sanders said.

CNN reported earlier this month that the Trump administration has made a decision to refer anyone caught crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution, which could lead to far more separations of parents from their children at the border.

“If you cross the border unlawfully, even a first offense, we’re going to prosecute you,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said recently. “If you’re smuggling a child, we’re going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you, probably, as required by law. If you don’t want your child to be separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:04:53pm

re: #41 Belafon

Here’s an article from May with Sanders’ comment. It also has the statements by Kelly and Sessions.

Good deal.

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allegro  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:05:28pm

If they don’t do that and it isn’t their policy where did all those kids come from?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:06:54pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

I think that really is the thing that pisses me off the most about Bernie. I used to kind of shrug off the fact that he went to Vermont but I do think it’s quite interesting that he went from Chicago and Brooklyn to Vermont and without fail calls issues involving PoC “distractions.”

Distracted by a significant portion of the country’s rights.

I did not know these things about Sanders when I was a supporter. I liked some of the things he promoted, and some of those were incorporated into the Democratic platform.

However, I did not become aware of his troubling positions on equal rights until well after the election.

I credit Mr. Johnson’s Home for the Criminally Sane (LGF) and Wonkette for informing me about that.

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Interesting Times  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:07:14pm

History rhymes and all that 🤢

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:07:30pm

re: #43 allegro

If they don’t do that and it isn’t their policy where did all those kids come from?

The magical hand of the free market just hooking up those private prison camps and associated industries with the perfect “need”.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:07:33pm

re: #38 Belafon

He is? Good.

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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:08:36pm

re: #40 Cheechako

Got CL’d in the last thread.

re: #546 Ace Rothstein

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Shit!!! I spent a month at the Hurricane Katrina evacuation center at the old Kelly AFB in San Antonio TX and the 4 facilities we managed had far better conditions than these dog cages. The only fences we had were around the whole building and they were to keep the bad people out. The refugees had wrist bands which allowed them to go in/out at any time.
There were cots and blankets for everyone. AC was added to the warehouse in 2 days which cooled the 98 degrees outside temp to a reasonable 72-74 inside. Meals were not fancy but were nutritional. Families slept together in adjacent cots. There were semi-private “nursing” areas with rocking chairs for new moms to feed their kids.

Usually, there were 4,000 and up to 10,000 people served per day.

All in all, not the greatest place to stay, but far better that what the govt is providing these kids.

I have 100’s of pictures of this center but I’m reluctant to post them out of fear they’ll be misused.

these children are not americans /s 1/2 because puerto rico

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:09:08pm

Why ws th FB’s sck lsr, Ptr Strzk, wrkng n th ttlly dscrdtd Mllr tm f 13 ngry & Cnflctd Dmcrts, whn Strzk ws gvng Crkd Hllry fr pss yt tllng hs lvr, lwyr Ls Pg, tht “w’ll stp” Trmp frm bcmng Prsdnt? Wtch Hnt!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:09:31pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

Distracted by a significant portion of the country’s rights.

I did not know these things about Sanders when I was a supporter. I liked some of the things he promoted, and some of those were incorporated into the Democratic platform.

However, I did not become aware of his troubling positions on equal rights until well after the election.

I credit Mr. Johnson’s Home for the Criminally Sane (LGF) and Wonkette for informing me about that.

You don’t have to apologize for supporting Bernie, AM. I understand why he appealed to so many. My own brothers were supporters. I too like some of the things he promotes. My frustration is as you get seeing a significant amount of the country’s rights as mere distraction. And you can only blame Wall Street for everything for so long.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:09:50pm

But Bernie’s not the enemy here. Trump is.

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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:10:54pm

re: #49 Unshaken Defiance

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flip it right to left and you got a torah

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:11:34pm

moron just won’t shut up

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:11:42pm

re: #47 Winston_Smith

He is? Good.

Both Sanders and Angus King are backing it (the two I’s) as are every Democrat except Manchin. None of the Republicans have.

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TedStriker  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:12:05pm

re: #38 Belafon

Well, at least he’s one of the Senators backing the Democrat’s bill.

That’s a very safe position for Bernie to take, because he’d catch a lot more hell if he didn’t.

Otherwise, he’s been vewwwy, vewwwy quiet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:12:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:13:05pm

re: #49 Unshaken Defiance

Why ws th FB’s sck lsr, Ptr Strzk, wrkng n th ttlly dscrdtd Mllr tm f 13 ngry & Cnflctd Dmcrts, whn Strzk ws gvng Crkd Hllry fr pss yt tllng hs lvr, lwyr Ls Pg, tht “w’ll stp” Trmp frm bcmng Prsdnt? Wtch Hnt!

Trump reads better in R’lyehian.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:13:21pm

I’m getting really frustrated by people trying to pin this on the Democrats. You know. The fact is we are here right fucking now. We elected a man who let’s see said Mexico was sending us rapists and murderers. A man who specifically cited a judge’s ethnicity in attacking him. But yeah both siders tell yourself the Dems would be just as bad because it attempts to sooth your guilty conscience by not doing anything to help elect the only alternative to Trump we ahd.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:14:01pm

re: #54 Belafon

Both Sanders and Angus King are backing it (the two I’s) as are every Democrat except Manchin. None of the Republicans have.

Oh good, Heidencamp and Donnelly joined.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:14:17pm

Not one Republican is disgraceful.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:15:15pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The statue of liberty was probably the first thing my mom’s grandparents saw as they entered New York Harbor over 100 years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:16:37pm

re: #55 TedStriker

That’s a very safe position for Bernie to take, because he’d catch a lot more hell if he did.

Otherwise, he’s been vewwwy, vewwwy quiet.

I definitely do agree he could be doing more. He’s definitely running for POTUS in 2020. Show some leadership man.If this was a corporate abuse of power, he’d be all over it.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:17:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:17:36pm
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:17:55pm

re: #33 Belafon

Finding levity wherever:

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:19:18pm
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Teukka  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:19:18pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:19:30pm

It’s too bad that these guys aren’t white people being told they can’t say certain slurs anymore because that would be a real tragedy. //

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:19:54pm

Mr. Teleskiguy, I imagine this stuff coming toward us is what you’d rather have in your part of the state.

wunderground.com

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:20:59pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

I could go without the straightline winds, hail, and possible tornadoes. But the rain? Fuck yeah, we need that shit.

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Teukka  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:21:04pm

re: #65 Belafon

Finding levity wherever:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:21:22pm

Was relieved to find out my older relatives can’t stand Trump today even some extended family by marriage we thought were Republicans.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:22:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:22:36pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Thirty more upfists and Mr. Johnson will be pushed over 663,000.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:23:05pm

re: #65 Belafon

Finding levity wherever:

Concentration camp is a huge stretch

Actually, these are worse than the dictionary definition. Concentration camps, called by name—as pioneered by the Spaniards in Cuba and the British in South Africa—kept mothers and children together. That was their purpose—to separate them from their men, as hostages.

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:24:48pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:27:04pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:28:22pm

Parker here needs a cluebat.

Concentration camp doesn’t necessarily include mass murder.

You take a bunch of people, and you put them in one place. Concentrate them perhaps. Throw up some tents, call it a “summer camp” such as conservatives have been promoting on social media.

We could you know, concentrate them. In camps.

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ObserverArt  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:29:10pm

Fantastic Fantastic Negrito!

Thanks for that Charles.

Nothing like some hard funk for a humid Sunday night. I really like their style.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:31:27pm

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

Parker here needs a cluebat.

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Concentration camp doesn’t necessarily include mass murder.

You take a bunch of people, and you put them in one place. Concentrate them perhaps. Throw up some tents, call it a “summer camp” such as conservatives have been promoting on social media.

We could you know, concentrate them. In camps.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:32:19pm

Pressure has to come from everywhere!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:33:34pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:34:13pm

re: #81 JordanRules

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:35:01pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:35:43pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:36:12pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

Re: Statue of Liberty

I wouldn’t be surprised if any day the French are like: “Okay, that’s enough. Send that motherfucker back please.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:37:35pm

re: #81 JordanRules

Republican voters: GW Bush is a RINO.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:40:02pm

re: #81 JordanRules

Pressure has to come from everywhere!

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This is great to see. Thank you Laura and Jenna.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:40:42pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s the thing. They don’t. That’s why they’re Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:42:30pm

The just do it legally people piss me fucking off. Must be fucking nice to be so well settled in this country that you have no idea about how immigration policy works for people trying to come here. Not to mention the people here are trying to get asylum.

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Scout  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:42:37pm

About the earthquake in Osaka, The Japan Times has a twitter feed going that shows some dramatic photos, but I can’t figure out how to link to it here.

Meanwhile, I’m visiting my family in Washington state, where it’s the same old, same old:
Multiple people injured in shooting at Tumwater Walmart
Link

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:44:16pm

re: #6 JordanRules

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:45:00pm

re: #91 Scout

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:46:07pm

Rebecca Shoenkopf is a tad upset.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:46:38pm

re: #92 MsJ

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Seriously go fuck yourself Kirstjen. At least Miller knows what you guys are doing and isn’t trying to hide it.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:47:02pm

re: #92 MsJ

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ROFL!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:47:09pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

Rebecca Shoenkopf is a tad upset.

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Gun humpers are thugs.

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teleskiguy  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:47:24pm

re: #91 Scout

Meanwhile, I’m visiting my family in Washington state, where it’s the same old, same old:
Multiple people injured in shooting at Tumwater Walmart

*sigh*

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:47:42pm

re: #91 Scout

About the earthquake in Osaka, The Japan Times has a twitter feed going that shows some dramatic photos, but I can’t figure out how to link to it here.

Meanwhile, I’m visiting my family in Washington state, where it’s the same old, same old:
Multiple people injured in shooting at Tumwater Walmart
Link

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Scout  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:50:33pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you so much!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:50:43pm

Between Miller, Nielsen, and Trump, do have do evil, deny all evil, and say all evil.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:50:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:51:13pm

A hot day today here but nothing compared to what those poor kids are going through.

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Teukka  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:51:26pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dat shade….. O.O

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:52:11pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m not religious at all but it would be great if people of all faiths could show some unity on this front. Part of the reason why evil prevailed in Nazi Germany was because political and religious leaders did not unite against the evil.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:52:42pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:54:55pm

“Children will be put into foster care…or whatever”
Chief of Staff, General John Kelly

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:56:42pm

re: #107 JordanRules

“Children will be put into foster care…or whatever”
Chief of Staff, General John Kelly

Such concern for the kids there. You know what, I’m going to say it oudly here but fuck John Kelly, he disgraces daily the uniform he wore, he disgraces the brave Irish immigrants that trekked across a violent ocean to come here, but most of all he disgraces what we stand for as Americans talking the way he does as the Chief of Staff. I hope that after Trump is done with him, he’s unemployable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:57:37pm
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Teukka  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:57:47pm

re: #107 JordanRules

“Children will be put into foster care…or whatever”
Chief of Staff, General John Kelly

CPPCG, Article II:
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 6:58:45pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We’re the minority party WaPo. Stop acting like we have the power to anything. And you know what, you can start blaming those Trump voters you did those sop stories on too. They’re as to blame for this as Trump is.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:00:28pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:03:21pm

I wish so many white Americans who defend policies like this could be forced to see their immigrant ancestors making the same difficult journey, experiencing the same harassment and apathy, maybe then they wouldn’t be such “just follow the law” smug assholes. I don’t know if my ancestors were legal immigrants or not. Most in fact were likely just immigrants. They got here and that was that. Some I have records of. Some I do not. And I research this stuff far more than your average Know-Nothing right wing asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:04:45pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:05:30pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I wish so many white Americans who defend policies like this could be forced to see their immigrant ancestors making the same difficult journey, experiencing the same harassment and apathy, maybe then they wouldn’t be such “just follow the law” smug assholes. I don’t know if my ancestors were legal immigrants or not. Most in fact were likely just immigrants. They got here and that was that. Some I have records of. Some I do not. And I research this stuff far more than your average Know-Nothing right wing asshole.

They don’t care. These are not the right kind of immigrants. They do not have the complexion for the protection.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:05:41pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ryan plays Von Papen in this tragedy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:06:28pm

re: #115 JordanRules

They don’t care. These are not the right kind of immigrants. They do not have the complexion for the protection.

Very true unfortunately. God you have no idea how much I want so smack the just come here legally people. I’ve seen how difficult it is to come here legally not just in funds but in paper work.

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SteelPH  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:07:54pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Very true unfortunately. God you have no idea how much I want so smack the just come here legally people. I’ve seen how difficult it is to come here legally not just in funds but in paper work.

Also a key thing missing from all this:

ASYLUM IS LEGAL IMMIGRATION

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:09:47pm
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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:09:47pm

re: #115 JordanRules

They don’t care. These are not the right kind of immigrants. They do not have the complexion for the protection.

Most of the people around me wouldn’t care if they were Europeans or Canadians being treated this way. It doesn’t affect them personally, so it’s just an abstract thing.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:10:32pm

re: #118 SteelPH

Also a key thing missing from all this:

ASYLUM IS LEGAL IMMIGRATION

Yep. It’s pretty much the definition. It’s going to the border and saying “Here I am, my country is in danger, please grant me asylum.” My Nana’s grandfather wasn’t different in age from a lot of the kids we’ve seen photos of when he fled the Potato Famine with his folks. I see his story in those kids.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:11:05pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bless Beto O’Rourke. May justice prevail and may he send Ted Cruz weaseling back to whatever Ted Cruz did before.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:11:07pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:13:12pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:13:48pm

re: #120 Belafon

Most of the people around me wouldn’t care if they were Europeans or Canadians being treated this way. It doesn’t affect them personally, so it’s just an abstract thing.

Sure and some folks are really good at hiding their racism too.

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MsJ  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:14:01pm

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron just won’t shut up

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:15:08pm

re: #125 JordanRules

Sure and some folks are really good at hiding their racism too.

Definitely agree. The same people.

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:15:17pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:15:31pm

re: #126 MsJ

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We gotta stop disrespecting Eric and send his ass too. Families should not be separated!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:15:38pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And we should give a fuck what you think Steve, why, what the hell have you done with your life?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:16:17pm
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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:17:15pm

Dangerous MS-13 rosaries.

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:17:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:20:03pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I wish so many white Americans who defend policies like this could be forced to see their immigrant ancestors making the same difficult journey, experiencing the same harassment and apathy, maybe then they wouldn’t be such “just follow the law” smug assholes. I don’t know if my ancestors were legal immigrants or not. Most in fact were likely just immigrants. They got here and that was that. Some I have records of. Some I do not. And I research this stuff far more than your average Know-Nothing right wing asshole.

Prior to the racist 1924 Immigration Act, there really wasn’t any immigration laws other than the Chinese Exclusion Act (no surprise, also racist). For the most part, people who came before 1924 really didn’t have to do anything except book passage on a ship or come overland from Canada or Mexico.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:25:43pm

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹

Prior to the racist 1924 Immigration Act, there really wasn’t any immigration laws other than the Chinese Exclusion Act (no surprise, also racist). For the most part, people who came before 1924 really didn’t have to do anything except book passage on a ship or come overland from Canada or Mexico.

Yep just as I thought. That’s why I’m not smug about it.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:25:57pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:26:14pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:26:34pm
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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:26:51pm

“…Within the Texas legislature, a controversial bill is pending. A private prisons company called the GEO Group has allegedly asked Republicans to submit a law that could lead to immigrant children being indefinitely detained in its lucrative centers.

Representatives John Raney, John Cyrier and Mark Keough—all Republicans—have authored legislation that, if passed, would allow immigration detention centers to obtain child care licenses. Equipped with the permits, the centers would then be able to circumvent a 2015 federal ruling that said detained immigrant children must be transferred to a child care facility after 20 days in detention.

Raney, Cyrier and Keough’s bill would not require the detention centers to change their setups, but it could significantly benefit them. The GEO Group, which runs the Karnes Residential Center—one of two family detention facilities in Texas—earns $55 million annually from the facility. At present, just 100 of its 830 beds are occupied, according to the Associated Press.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:27:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:28:09pm

re: #139 jaunte

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That there is scary.

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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:28:16pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Not one Republican is disgraceful.

But as you say…it’s the dems

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:30:23pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Private prison company pays for politicians, politicians target vulnerable group to be imprisoned on everybody’s dime, repeat until we’re all behind the wire.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:30:45pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steve Bannon is a Catholic. I wonder if a suggestion of excommunication to the Twitter account Pontifex would be in order?

Get a load of this tripe from the National Catholic Reporter:

The religious left may be happy now that Steve Bannon is gone from the White House, but they may want to think again. True, he was the political strategist that helped Trump gain the White House by attacking immigration, affirmative action, and government spending for the poor. And Bannon described the news outlet that he now runs again, Breitbart News, as a medium for the alt-right.

But what the religious left forgets is that on some issues, Bannon and they are in agreement and now his voice has been silenced in the White House. His ouster may have been a victory for a more inclusive America, but in the internal politics of the Republican Party it also signals the triumph of the corporate and interventionist wings of the party, which should scare the religious left. And in another sign of the end of the Bannon era, his ally Sebastian Gorka, a deputy assistant to the president, has been forced out, news reports said.

(more)

The piece is titled “The religious left is going to miss Steve Bannon” from 2017.

I wonder how they feel about that now? It was written by an author for Religion News Service. That organisation was bought by a Methodist outlet in 1983, then sold to a group of religious newswriters as an LLC in 2011.

They are allegedly a non-partisan religious news reporting service.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:32:19pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:32:59pm

not the right image but I have work in the morning. feel free to borrow the concept and improve. love you guys and girls.
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:33:09pm

re: #139 jaunte

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More about GEO and our carceral state in this fantastic thread.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:33:14pm

re: #144 Anymouse 🌹

Steve Bannon is a Catholic. I wonder if a suggestion of excommunication to the Twitter account Pontifex would be in order?

Get a load of this tripe from the National Catholic Reporter:

(more)

The piece is titled “The religious left is going to miss Steve Bannon” from 2017.

I wonder how they feel about that now? It was written by an author for Religion News Service. That organisation was bought by a Methodist outlet in 1983, then sold to a group of religious newswriters as an LLC in 2011.

They are allegedly a non-partisan religious news reporting service.

OFFS.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:35:29pm

re: #138 JordanRules

The NRA (and the right in general) complaining about this goes back to this article at Vox in 2017:

Each month, thousands of witches cast a spell against Donald Trump

Basically a group of Wiccans, techno-pagans, and other pagan religious folk working binding spells during regular monthly rituals (worship). It was a one-time article, not much came of it, and Republicans and now the NRA have turned it into some kind of giant boogeyman.

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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:35:45pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

Re: Statue of Liberty

I wouldn’t be surprised if any day the French are like: “Okay, that’s enough. Send that motherfucker back please.”

They’re gonna sneak in one night and just take it

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unproven innocence  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:35:52pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

I’m not religious at all but it would be great if people of all faiths could show some unity on this front. Part of the reason why evil prevailed in Nazi Germany was because political and religious leaders did not unite against the evil.

I’m sure all pulpits, writers, teachers, reporters, union leaders, etc were heavily monitored. There was even an obscure WW1 vet from Austria who was assigned to spy on whatever talk was going on at local beer halls.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:39:12pm

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

The NRA (and the right in general) complaining about this goes back to this article at Vox in 2017:

Each month, thousands of witches cast a spell against Donald Trump

Basically a group of Wiccans, techno-pagans, and other pagan religious folk working binding spells during regular monthly rituals (worship). It was a one-time article, not much came of it, and Republicans and now the NRA have turned it into some kind of giant boogeyman.

Hey, whatever works! We’ve tried everything else.

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TedStriker  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:39:17pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

The just do it legally people piss me fucking off. Must be fucking nice to be so well settled in this country that you have no idea about how immigration policy works for people trying to come here. Not to mention the people here are trying to get asylum.

This whole business with Trump’s directing ICE to seize and separate families who are “do(ing) it legally” in trying to apply for asylum puts the lie to their whole argument; this has nothing to do with legality and everything to do with terrorizing potential (and even current) brown-skinned immigrants as a sick, fucked-up, twisted, “Keep out or we’ll make you regret it!” by Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:40:31pm
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TedStriker  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:40:38pm

re: #152 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hey, whatever works! We’ve tried everything else.

I’d ask them to cast a spell to turn his sorry ass inside-out, but no one would know the difference.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:40:46pm

re: #153 TedStriker

This whole business with Trump’s directing ICE to seize and separate families who are “do(ing) it legally” in trying to apply for asylum puts the lie to their whole argument; this has nothing to do with legality and everything to do with terrorizing potential (and even current) brown-skinned immigrants as a sick, fucked-up, twisted, “Keep out!” by Trump.

Right on.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:44:00pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

OFFS.

They’re getting help from the mainstream press.

Charlie Rose of 60 Minutes Just Called Steve Bannon a Good Catholic. Is That True? (Washington Post)

The religion writer at the WP with an assist in 2017:

During Sunday night’s “60 Minutes,” former White House senior strategist Stephen K. Bannon was described by Charlie Rose as “a good Catholic.” How then, Rose wanted to know, does Bannon feel about church leaders criticizing President Trump for ending a program that allows nearly 800,000 undocumented young people to live and work in the United States?

“The Catholic Church has been terrible about this,” Bannon said. “The bishops have been terrible about this.”

Bannon, who left the White House last month and returned to run the conservative website Breitbart, charged that Catholic leaders, who have been among the most vocal critics of the Trump administration on matters of immigration, have been unable “to come to grips with the problems in the Church” and so “they need illegal aliens to fill the churches. That’s — it’s obvious on the face of it.”

(more)

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sagehen  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:45:45pm

re: #139 jaunte

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What odds will you give that the cost to the taxpayers of keeping someone in one of those facilities for a few months is more than 10x the cost of calling them refugees and settling them anywhere else in the country?

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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:46:04pm

re: #128 jaunte

[Embedded content]
Rosaries confiscated from immigrants at the Arizona/Mexico border. [via @MikeOLoughlin]

Think this through:
the conditions were putting these people in are so good that we have to take their rosaries away because they might… pray???

Nah..there’s gotta be some other reason why this is for their own good. /s

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Winston_Smith  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:46:49pm

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

They’re all good Catholics Brent.

Oops, wrong site.

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Belafon  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:47:46pm

re: #158 sagehen

What odds will you give that the cost to the taxpayers of keeping someone in one of those facilities for a few months is more than 10x the cost of calling them refugees and settling them anywhere else in the country?

Roughly 100%.

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TedStriker  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:47:51pm

re: #158 sagehen

What odds will you give that the cost to the taxpayers of keeping someone in one of those facilities for a few months is more than 10x the cost of calling them refugees and settling them anywhere else in the country?

As we all know, Republicans don’t care about busting the budget unless it’s to pound a Democratic President/Congress over the head with it; I’m sure they see much more value in this for propaganda and “deterrence” purposes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:49:04pm

re: #155 TedStriker

I’d ask them to cast a spell to turn his sorry ass inside-out, but no one would know the difference.

A bit beyond the ability of a Wiccan, but this is television, not Wicca. (0:13)

Dark Willow - “Bored Now”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:49:50pm

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

They’re getting help from the mainstream press.

Charlie Rose of 60 Minutes Just Called Steve Bannon a Good Catholic. Is That True? (Washington Post)

The religion writer at the WP with an assist in 2017:

(more)

Charlie Rose shouldn’t be the judge of anyone’s character. I won’t No True Scotsman this but Bannon’s brand of Catholicism isn’t the same my parents were raised on.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:51:31pm

re: #158 sagehen

What odds will you give that the cost to the taxpayers of keeping someone in one of those facilities for a few months is more than 10x the cost of calling them refugees and settling them anywhere else in the country?

Guaranteed. A person who is granted asylum may legally work and pays taxes. Asylum seekers are rarely a burden on the nation after they are granted asylum, and are limited in their ability to use social services.

Like other workers, they pay Social Security taxes, and like other foreigners, they may not collect Social Security.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:51:44pm
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TedStriker  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:51:59pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

Charlie Rose shouldn’t be the judge of anyone’s character. I won’t No True Scotsman this but Bannon’s brand of Catholicism isn’t the same my parents were raised on.

Isn’t Bannon an Opus Dei kind of guy?

Correction: not Opus Dei…too “liberal” for him, relatively speaking. What’s that conservative Catholic offshoot that’s hardcore, the one that rejects Vatican II and that Hutton and Mel Gibson subscribe(d) to?

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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:53:27pm

re: #153 TedStriker

This whole business with Trump’s directing ICE to seize and separate families who are “do(ing) it legally” in trying to apply for asylum puts the lie to their whole argument; this has nothing to do with legality and everything to do with terrorizing potential (and even current) brown-skinned immigrants as a sick, fucked-up, twisted, “Keep out or we’ll make you regret it!” by Trump.

And it’s not working
They’re still coming
And they’re not gonna stop
This won’t stop them

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:53:55pm

All these Trump voters imagining that robots are going to be paying taxes to support their Social Security and Medicare just kill me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:55:25pm

re: #167 TedStriker

Isn’t Bannon an Opus Dei kind of guy?

I honestly don’t know. Dad’s Uncle was a Holy Ghost Father. Their order focuses on forgotten communities but they’re obviously not without faults, Marcel Lefebreve, a huge right winger was Superior General towards the end of my Uncle’s life but my Uncle was a theological liberal from what I know.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 7:59:00pm

The next town to my east (Lisco, pop 68) is getting mercilessly pounded by thunderstorms. It looks like they’re in for several hours of this.

The storms seem to be expanding westward, so we might still get pounded too.

wunderground.com

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dangerman  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:00:50pm

Well this was fun
I’m off
Mr sandman is at the door

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:02:12pm

re: #168 dangerman

And it’s not working
They’re still coming
And they’re not gonna stop
This won’t stop them

Yup. When the choice (especially for your children) is “die” or risk “la Migra,” the second seems quite reasonable.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:04:31pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:05:06pm

re: #126 MsJ

Love this tweet so much I sent it to Tweety Amin 4X!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:07:04pm

re: #138 JordanRules

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:17:04pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:17:57pm

re: #139 jaunte

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The Fugitive Slave Act made slave-catching a lucrative business. The private prison industry is no better, and they don’t have to run the risks the slave-catchers did.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:20:24pm

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Fugitive Slave Act made slave-catching a lucrative business. The private prison industry is no better, and they don’t have to run the risks the slave-catchers did.

Reminds me of what Grandpa Bacon told me that Great Great Grandpa Bacon was a conductor on the Underground Railroad in DC and he had a secret room in his house where the runaways could stay until night fell and then they moved on…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:20:48pm

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Kragar  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:22:14pm

Spoke with my mom earlier today…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:22:41pm

re: #179 Joe Bacon 🌹

Reminds me of what Grandpa Bacon told me that Great Great Grandpa Bacon was a conductor on the Underground Railroad in DC and he had a secret room in his house where the runaways could stay until night fell and then they moved on…

You’re family is good people, Joe.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:26:13pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

You’re family is good people, Joe.

Grandpa said that the family had thank you letters from people Great Great Grandpa shielded in his house, postmarked from Canada. I believe that the letters were eventually donated to Howard University…

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:27:11pm
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Kragar  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:33:06pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:34:46pm
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Kragar  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:34:49pm
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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:36:15pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:37:16pm

The Mary Sue collected some of their favourite clapbacks to Paul Ryan (R-zegs) and his Father’s Day tweet.

themarysue.com

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Interesting Times  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:41:27pm

I endorse this message (blue checkmark is because he’s a Canadian Member of Parliament):

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:45:19pm

re: #190 Interesting Times

I endorse this message (blue checkmark is because he’s a Canadian Member of Parliament):

[Embedded content]

Yes!!! Good on him! We need pressure and condemnation from everywhere!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:52:37pm

re: #191 JordanRules

Yes!!! Good on him! We need pressure and condemnation from everywhere!

And that thread is also filling up with conservaderp and whataboutism on Obama.

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Interesting Times  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:55:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:57:19pm

re: #190 Interesting Times

I endorse this message (blue checkmark is because he’s a Canadian Member of Parliament):

NDP has weighed in on this, but my cursory search of the Liberal Party doesn’t show they’ve taken a public position yet.

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Interesting Times  Jun 17, 2018 • 8:58:09pm

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

NDP has weighed in on this, but my cursory search of the Liberal Party doesn’t show they’ve taken a public position yet.

Which is exactly why MP Charlie Angus tagged Trudeau in that tweet.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:03:27pm

re: #195 Interesting Times

Which is exactly why MP Charlie Angus tagged Trudeau in that tweet.

The Conservative Party has a long string of tweets claiming a carbon tax bill promoted by the Liberal Party is some massive coverup.

Interestingly, each party’s Twitter page shows they all follow each other. One big happy family I guess.

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Interesting Times  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:10:28pm

Another contender for the “Best Protest Sign” category… :/

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BeachDem  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:11:58pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

I’m not religious at all but it would be great if people of all faiths could show some unity on this front. Part of the reason why evil prevailed in Nazi Germany was because political and religious leaders did not unite against the evil.

33 tweet thread/list

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HappyWarrior  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:13:36pm

re: #198 BeachDem

33 tweet thread/list

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Yeah I caught that. Good to see.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:16:36pm

Wow, we dodged the heavy weather. The cross hairs on the left side of the radar picture is me. (Well, it’s not really me, it’s where I’m located.)

wunderground.com

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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:16:53pm
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scottslemmons  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:17:21pm

I’d like to think more Republican officials were worried their graves would be hidden underneath parking lots, but they sure are damn confident starting up death camps is going to be a big winner for them.

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Kragar  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:21:18pm
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jaunte  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:22:20pm

A criminal pedophile that happens to be a ten year veteran sheriff deputy, finding a way to leverage immigration law for his own purposes.

“Officials believe there could be more victims”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:23:48pm

Last week was ten years since Tim Russert died.

Meet the Chuck has been a quite different rendering of the show since. Russert wouldn’t let anyone get away with lying on his show, regardless of party.

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scottslemmons  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:23:52pm

re: #204 jaunte

A criminal pedophile that happens to be a ten year veteran sheriff deputy, finding a way to leverage immigration law for his own purposes.

[Embedded content]

“Officials believe there could be more victims”

ICE has probably sent him a job offer already.

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BeachDem  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:26:02pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Has Joel Pollak ever expounded on where that “Daisy Hill Puppy Farm” type place was where the kids took field trips to the zoo and had a “prom?” Or were those merely part of the windmills of his mind?

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:26:20pm

Yes, many are in denial about what is going on.

Then again, if my Facebook feed is any indication, there are plenty of Americans who are fine with putting brown-skinned folk into camps.

Some of your relatives would have been quite fine with the Nazis.

We should not pretend otherwise.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:28:13pm

re: #204 jaunte

A criminal pedophile that happens to be a ten year veteran sheriff deputy, finding a way to leverage immigration law for his own purposes.

“Officials believe there could be more victims”

And precisely why we have cities which will not turn over to ICE undocumented immigrants (I refuse to use FOX News Channel’s term for that).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:29:40pm

re: #208 freetoken

Yes, many are in denial about what is going on.

Then again, if my Facebook feed is any indication, there are plenty of Americans who are fine with putting brown-skinned folk into camps.

Some of your relatives would have been quite fine with the Nazis.

We should not pretend otherwise.

None of my relatives would.

I get what you meant by this though (plenty of families have people fine with this).

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:30:31pm

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, we dodged the heavy weather. The cross hairs on the left side of the radar picture is me. (Well, it’s not really me, it’s where I’m located.)

wunderground.com

Did you say Heavy Weather?

Weather Report Heavy Weather (Complete Album)

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freetoken  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:30:33pm

I am a broken record.

Trump is the symptom, not the cause.

So what is the cause?

I propose there is not really a single cause, just a combination of tensions that have been lingering in our society that have not finished working out (some go back to the Civil War, others to the 1960’s
and the Vietnam war.)

Still, cognitive dissonance is very much to be found in the battle between the rational and the religious.

Last week an essay was published, that is a very public display of a very strong case of cognitive dissonance:
Why I Think Adam was a Real Person in History

The deep discomfort in our society, when it comes to religion, is that our modern world has been saying in one way or another, “your religion is a lie”.

And that causes problems.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:34:40pm

re: #208 freetoken

Yes, many are in denial about what is going on.

Then again, if my Facebook feed is any indication, there are plenty of Americans who are fine with putting brown-skinned folk into camps.

Some of your relatives would have been quite fine with the Nazis.

We should not pretend otherwise.

Quoted for truth! And it’s been this way.

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fern01  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:35:00pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are the media so scared of 1 man that they have to continue the “both sides” nonsense. The GOP want this - they are not in the least upset about non white people losing their children. They have no conscience at all.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:36:01pm

re: #212 freetoken

Gack! She gets the science all wrong, not surprisingly. She’s trying to force a “just-so” narrative from Genesis into a historical milieu — a version of Creation not being the beginning of all humanity, but only a specific subset of humanity.

Just scanning her essay makes my head hurt.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:36:47pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:37:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:39:02pm

I wonder if this immigration shit just might be the thing that gets enough people to rail against Trump to make a difference?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:40:05pm

Paging the New York Times:

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:40:29pm

re: #216 JordanRules

The mixed messages are an indication of the shitshow that is this administration. There is not a single unified mission (thankfully), but a collection of occasionally incompatible missions, each from a different faction. Trump has his own mission — protecting his ego and job security. He could care less whether the executive branch goes down the tubes as it tears itself apart.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:40:54pm

On one hand Paul Manafort’s traitor ass is in jail (with protective custody) tonight.
On the other hand…

We gotta get it right for the first time, this time. Lock them all the fuck up!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:45:26pm

re: #215 wheat-dogg

Gack! She gets the science all wrong, not surprisingly. She’s trying to force a “just-so” narrative from Genesis into a historical milieu — a version of Creation not being the beginning of all humanity, but only a specific subset of humanity.

Just scanning her essay makes my head hurt.

That also fits nicely with the conservative Christian idea that dark-skinned people bear the “Mark of Cain” (to justify racism).

BioLogos was founded by Francis Collins (the fellow who’s work led to the Human Genome Project). It seeks to “harmonise creationism with science.”

Wingnut Ken Ham claims people like Collins are leaving Christianity.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:52:04pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:52:32pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

That also fits nicely with the conservative Christian idea that dark-skinned people bear the “Mark of Cain” (to justify racism).

BioLogos was founded by Francis Collins (the fellow who’s work led to the Human Genome Project). It seeks to “harmonise creationism with science.”

Wingnut Ken Ham claims people like Collins are leaving Christianity.

There’s also the notion that dark-skinned people are descendants of Ham, one of Noah’s sons. Noah cursed Ham’s son, Canaan, for Ham’s transgressions.
en.wikipedia.org

Charming family.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:53:00pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

Correction: Wingnut Ken Ham argues people like Collins are causing people to leave Christianity.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:53:51pm

re: #223 JordanRules

Not much of a leap to imagine ICE using these vets to track down and identify undocumented aliens.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:54:28pm

This fuckin guy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 9:58:18pm

re: #227 JordanRules

Franklin Graham also trying to equate “immigration” with “asylum.” Yet another Christian liar in a leadership position.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:00:30pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:11:45pm
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MsJ  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:12:57pm

re: #228 Anymouse 🌹

Franklin Graham also trying to equate “immigration” with “asylum.” Yet another Christian liar in a leadership position.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:15:04pm

re: #231 MsJ

Who would want to be associated with pussy grabbers and child torturers?

Well…62,000,000 people we know of for sure….

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:16:30pm

Well, it’s 59F in Whitehorse, Yukon, and 54F here.

Wednesday my wife and I are off to our monthly dine-out in Cheyenne and Thursday to Denver to get our car air conditioner fixed (so it can’t have any more baby air conditioners).

If the temps are going to hang around in the fifties and upper forties here, perhaps I could save some money on this.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:16:31pm

Cult45!

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:18:03pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:20:51pm

re: #235 JordanRules

My brother-in-law doesn’t think there is any difference, even after all that’s gone on.

He lives in Texas; perhaps he saw on the news Beto O’Rourke’s march today.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:21:06pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:23:17pm

re: #237 Single-handed sailor

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I hadn’t thought about Chris Titus for a while—I’m glad to see he’s on our side.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:23:26pm

Trump is mostly alone in blaming the Democrats; others prefer to blame the families. “We do not have a policy to separate children from their parents,” the D.H.S. secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen, told a Senate committee hearing. “Our policy is, if you break the law we will prosecute you.” The White House chief of staff, John Kelly, told NPR, “The children will be taken care of—put into foster care or whatever. But the big point is they elected to come illegally into the United States and this is a technique that no one hopes will be used extensively or for very long.” The Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, said, on the conservative pundit Hugh Hewitt’s radio show, “It’s certainly not our goal to separate children, but I do think it’s clear, it’s legitimate to warn people who come to the country, unlawfully bringing children with them, that they can’t expect that they’ll always be kept together.” In a scene from Sunday’s Globe piece, a defense attorney pleads with a U.S. magistrate judge in Texas, Peter Ormsby, to order a group of immigrants in custody to be reunited with their children; Ormsby turns to the defendants and says, “I hope you understand the reason there was a separation is you violated the laws here.” Look what you made me do.

More…

In intimate-partner abuse, the battered woman is both the cause and the effect of the violence waged against her; in the violence being done to families at the border, the abducted child takes the battered woman’s place. (Look what your parents made me do.) Another hallmark of domestic violence is the abuser’s knack for gaslighting: the repertoire of lies, distortions, deflections, and belittlements that steadily distort and erode his victim’s sense of reality, tightening the abuser’s control over her. Gaslighting, it needs not be said, is Trump’s preferred mode of communication, and it is encoded in the family-separation policy itself: once their parents have been taken into custody, the children are reclassified as “unaccompanied minors,” their parents effectively disappeared. On Friday, NPR reported on three Guatemalan mothers who were on trial in Alpine, Texas, after D.H.S. flew their children—ages eight, eight, and nine—more than two thousand miles away, to a shelter in Manhattan. “There is no mention in the Border Patrol narrative,” an immigration lawyer told NPR, “that these women had children with them when they entered the United States.” Can you prove this child is yours? Do you even have children? Well, then, where are they?

newyorker.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:26:26pm

Kim Kardashian to Run for President? “Never Say Never” (E!)

Oh, hell, why not. According to the article, she’s happy Kanye is a Trump supporter though.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:31:55pm
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dell*nix  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:33:31pm

I suggest that anyone who works for ICE retain a criminal defense lawyer who can represent them at The Hague. Perhaps a law firm here in the US should start building up a data base of trial documents from Neuremburg. Just to find out what will not work as a defense.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:34:33pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

Kim Kardashian to Run for President? “Never Say Never” (E!)

Oh, hell, why not. According to the article, she’s happy Kanye is a Trump supporter though.

Oh holy hell!!! We really may not deserve Democracy.

Interesting because she ended up being a Hillary supporter and Kanye just said on his new album how she was crying, begging for him to stop the MAGA stuff because it could hurt their livelihood.

Meh, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since neither of them seem to have any true self.

“Kim Kardashian: Yes, I’m Voting for Hillary Clinton”
vanityfair.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:48:37pm

Are there any T-shirts with a picture of Trump behind bars with the slogan Lock Him Up?

The American people don’t have a great record in supporting progress and civil rights or doing the right thing. We have to be led by the few strong advocates of these positions. Most people really don’t care unless it affects them directly; most don’t protest when something is wrong. The marches against Vietnam were not because we objected to the pointless slaughter of Vietnamese but because our brothers and children and lovers were being sent to die. We have an inflated image of ourselves as a great and good nation; it’s only when our leaders are good people that we truly reflect that image.

Plessy vs Ferguson was not rendered moot because the people of the states rejected Jim Crow but because a Supreme Court made that decision. If our leaders don’t try to elevate us but instead appeal to our worst instincts as do the modern GOP, it is the worst instincts that can prevail.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:48:46pm

re: #242 dell*nix

I suggest that anyone who works for ICE retain a criminal defense lawyer who can represent them at The Hague. Perhaps a law firm here in the US should start building up a data base of trial documents from Neuremburg. Just to find out what will not work as a defense.

All this talk of The Hague and the International Court of Justice is nice, but the USA does not recognise the authority of that court over our nation. There will be no trials at The Hague.

They will have to be here, or not at all.

Let´s see, in my life, which conservatives have been tried for human rights violations or war crimes: Richard Nixon? Henry Kissinger? (no he still walks free). GW Bush? Dick Cheney?

I can’t think of a single conservative in nearly sixty years that has answered for international crimes. No reason to suspect that will start now.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:48:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:51:15pm

Crap. Just got a call that the chlorinator on the well that was just fixed broke and started spewing water all over the place. Well, I have a job tomorrow (try to fix it).

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Kragar  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:52:03pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:54:51pm

re: #246 Ace-o-aces

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They can and will turn on a dime!

Exhibit A:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 10:57:51pm

re: #249 JordanRules

Strange how Republicans started liking Vlad when it became apparent he was supporting Trump for President.

It’s almost as if conservatives care about gaining and maintaining power, rather than our nation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:03:32pm

re: #237 Single-handed sailor

Obama dreamed the dreams of his crackpot father. Fortunately for me, my dad taught me to dream my own dreams #FathersDay

— Dinesh D’Souza

The only answer this guy deserves is “convicted felon says what?”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:05:58pm

re: #249 JordanRules

They can and will turn on a dime!

Exhibit A:

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I thought I had lost the capacity to be shocked, but Damn! Well, this was predictable when the wingnuts started quoting Правда as soon as Obama was elected, but I still find it shocking.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:08:07pm

More of them are coming out and calling a lie a lie:

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:09:54pm

re: #252 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I thought I had lost the capacity to be shocked, but Damn! Well, this was predictable when the wingnuts started quoting Правда as soon as Obama was elected, but I still find it shocking.

My wingnut brother’s response is that he doesn’t care about Putin. It’s not that he necessarily has a favorable impression but he’s just not interested in him at all. He also believes that China is not going to overtake us because they have so many internal problems and, after all, we’re number one!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:13:50pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹

More of them are coming out and calling a lie a lie:

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So is she really emulating Clinton (Bill) and it all depends on what your definition of is is? For example, families are not technically being separated exactly at the border, but at some other point of entry?

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:14:54pm

re: #254 Hecuba’s daughter

My wingnut brother’s response is that he doesn’t care about Putin. It’s not that he necessarily has a favorable impression but he’s just not interested in him at all. He also believes that China is not going to overtake us because they have so many internal problems and, after all, we’re number one!

China has very few internal problems, other than the usual lack of free expression and ongoing government corruption and oppression. China’s government is playing 3-dimensional chess geopolitically and economically while Trump & Co are still playing Chutes & Ladders.

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thecommodore  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:14:54pm

re: #92 MsJ

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:15:21pm

re: #252 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I thought I had lost the capacity to be shocked, but Damn! Well, this was predictable when the wingnuts started quoting Правда as soon as Obama was elected, but I still find it shocking.

And they thought Obama was too weak to deal with Putin like a good red-blooded Murrikan should. Fast forward to the crazy timeline and here we are!
The irony is richer than Bezos.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:16:11pm

re: #255 Hecuba’s daughter

So is she really emulating Clinton (Bill) and it all depends on what your definition of is is? For example, families are not technically being separated exactly at the border, but at some other point of entry?

Nielsen is simply lying. The claim she made is the government is not taking children and putting them in concentration camps.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:16:46pm

re: #255 Hecuba’s daughter

So is she really emulating Clinton (Bill) and it all depends on what your definition of is is? For example, families are not technically being separated exactly at the border, but at some other point of entry?

No, she’s just flat out lying.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:17:54pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:19:41pm

re: #259 Anymouse 🌹

Nielsen is simply lying. The claim she made is the government is not taking children and putting them in concentration camps.

Insiders reported a couple weeks ago that she clashed with Trump over this policy and he’s been doing the bully thing on her and humiliating her in front of staffers. You know, the usual.
She’s doing her loyalty dance right now.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:20:53pm

re: #256 wheat-dogg

China has very few internal problems, other than the usual lack of free expression and ongoing government corruption and oppression. China’s government is playing 3-dimensional chess geopolitically and economically while Trump & Co are still playing Chutes & Ladders.

Doesn’t China still have a huge gender imbalance? My brother also argues that many who are the most educated are still finding ways to escape, and emigrating to Canada. Xi’s decision to be president for life is troubling but as you say, facing the Trump regime offers them a real economic and educational advantage over us. The industry of the future will belong to them while we try to return to 1950’s technology.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:21:07pm

re: #262 JordanRules

Insiders reported a couple weeks ago that she clashed with Trump over this policy and he’s been doing the bully thing on her and humiliating her in front of staffers. You know, the usual.
She’s doing her loyalty dance right now.

All to keep a job that will haunt her resume for the rest of her working career.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:23:25pm

re: #263 Hecuba’s daughter

Doesn’t China still have a huge gender imbalance?

Yes, China could start a war, lose tens of millions of young men, and even if they gained little in territory or concessions, it would help ease a demographic imbalance.

That is one of those things that pops into my mind when I wake up at 3am…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:23:26pm

On that 100 mph car chase initiated by CBP that ended in a crash and five dead, the sheriff of the county has weighed in.

Boyd was asked why border patrol agents started the chase.

“It’s called good police work,” he said.

Last I heard, you can’t outrun a radio. It seems to me that “good police work” doesn’t involve endangering the public with 100 mph car chases. It certainly doesn’t entail the deaths of passengers in a vehicle.

nydailynews.com

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Kragar  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:24:26pm
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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:25:54pm

re: #267 Kragar

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Uggh. I hate that staged photo.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:27:47pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:28:54pm

re: #256 wheat-dogg

China has very few internal problems, other than the usual lack of free expression and ongoing government corruption and oppression. China’s government is playing 3-dimensional chess geopolitically and economically while Trump & Co are still playing Chutes & Ladders.

Considering who they are, it should be called by its original name—Snakes and Ladders.

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JordanRules  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:29:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:30:55pm

re: #269 JordanRules

What will the New Conservative Cruelty do if people set foot inside American embassies and claim asylum (it is also permitted in embassies, legations, and consulates)? Throw them out on the street?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:32:03pm

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

What will the New Conservative Cruelty do if people set foot inside American embassies and claim asylum (it is also permitted in embassies, legations, and consulates)? Throw them out on the street?

separate the children and lock them in a broom closet

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ckkatz  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:46:29pm

Folks asked about the opinion article by Rob Rogers, former cartoonist for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. His article was published June 15. In it he talks about how the Post-Gazette has changed over the past decade, how it affected him, and his plans through 2020.

I Was Fired for Making Fun of Trump
By Rob Rogers
June 15, 2018

“After 25 years as the editorial cartoonist for The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, I was fired on Thursday.

I blame Donald Trump.

Well, sort of.

I should’ve seen it coming. When I had lunch with my new boss a few months ago, he informed me that the paper’s publisher believed that the editorial cartoonist was akin to an editorial writer, and that his views should reflect the philosophy of the newspaper.

That was a new one to me.”

[…]

nytimes.com

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Dave In Austin  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:46:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 17, 2018 • 11:52:50pm

There’s a movie I won’t see anytime soon:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:05:30am

re: #276 Anymouse 🌹

There’s a movie I won’t see anytime soon:

reminds me of this Flight of the Conchords episode

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:09:27am

re: #277 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

reminds me of this Flight of the Conchords episode

Weeeeeeellll, I won’t click on that link, thanks.

There’s also the infamous Pokemon episode.

Also, the Epilepsy Foundation came under attack a few years ago by the dipshits at 4chan.

They were able to exploit a weakness in the comment forum and inserted a bunch of flashing gifs, similar to those used to attack Kurt Eichenwald. The Foundation pulled their Website down for several days while they had Website designers go over it and scrub the forums of the damage 4chan did, and update the site.

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:29:44am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

Weeeeeeellll, I won’t click on that link, thanks.

There’s also the infamous Pokemon episode.

Also, the Epilepsy Foundation came under attack a few years ago by the dipshits at 4chan.

They were able to exploit a weakness in the comment forum and inserted a bunch of flashing gifs, similar to those used to attack Kurt Eichenwald. The Foundation pulled their Website down for several days while they had Website designers go over it and scrub the forums of the damage 4chan did, and update the site.

One of these days, the chantards are going to make a mistake which will cause them to be hunted down like ….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:32:11am

re: #279 Teukka

One of these days, the chantards are going to make a mistake which will cause them to be hunted down like ….

I recall waiting at a bus stop and noticing a kid in an apartment watching some kiddie show on TV, I could not really see the screen but noticed that the flashing images changed every two or three seconds and started to understand where a lot of ADD comes from…

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:36:02am

re: #263 Hecuba’s daughter

Doesn’t China still have a huge gender imbalance? My brother also argues that many who are the most educated are still finding ways to escape, and emigrating to Canada. Xi’s decision to be president for life is troubling but as you say, facing the Trump regime offers them a real economic and educational advantage over us. The industry of the future will belong to them while we try to return to 1950’s technology.

There is an imbalance — about `140 men to 100 women at this point, but it may increase to 150:100 in the future. Whether that is “huge” depends on your POV, as some people are LGBTQ and others are choosing to remain single. However, there are some men who are marrying trafficked women from neighboring countries like Vietnam and Cambodia, so that will be an ongoing societal problem.

It’s not the most educated that are leaving so much as the most wealthy, who can afford the kind of investment residency visas Canada and the USA offer. Well educated Chinese are also leaving if they can, but it’s hardly a flood of people, compared to a population of 1.3 billion. More like a trickle.

Anecdotally, I’ve taught more than 1,500 university students since coming to China. Of those, fewer than 10 have emigrated to the USA, Canada or elsewhere, though many more have studied or worked abroad.

Whether Xi remains president indefinitely depends on how long he can hold off dissenting factions within the Party who would want to replace him. The economy is the key factor here. If there is an economic slowdown, a large number of people will be most dissatisfied with the current leadership.

China has taken existing American, Korean, Japanese and European tech to jump start their own tech research. The next flag planted on the Moon’s surface will undoubtedly be China’s, for example. China’s leadership are principally technocrats who see science and technology as tools to further China’s future. Contrast that to the American leadership’s attitudes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:44:11am

re: #281 wheat-dogg

China has taken existing American, Korean, Japanese and European tech to jump start their own tech research. The next flag planted on the Moon’s surface will undoubtedly be China’s, for example. China’s leadership are principally technocrats who see science and technology as tools to further China’s future. Contrast that to the American leadership’s attitudes.

They understand that education is an investment.

We have people now like Betsy DeVos who sees it merely as a business.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:47:14am

re: #282 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They understand that education is an investment.

We have people now like Betsy DeVos who sees it merely as a business and as a means to proselytize children for Jaysus.

Added for accuracy

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:51:13am

re: #281 wheat-dogg

In re: trafficking women to be brides of Chinese men.

scmp.com

It was 8pm on a scorching summer night when Tien, a quiet, timid teenager, left her home in a coastal province of central Vietnam, supposedly to spend the night at her cousin’s. Or at least, that is what the 16-year-old had told her family. In fact, she planned to leave the village to escape the pressure on her to get married. Hoping her cousin would help her find a job, she slipped out the door.

It was nearly two years before she would return, by then having endured horrors beyond the imagination of most teenagers. The cousin she had trusted, rather than finding her a job, had sold her to a human trafficking broker in China who resold her as a bride. Tien became part of a depressing new statistic: the growing number of impoverished Vietnamese children being sold into forced marriages in China.

Tien had realised early on that something was amiss. “I gave her all of my money and my ID card,” Tien recalls. “She told me, ‘we’re going to find work. You said you wanted to leave that village so I’m taking you’.”

I’ve read that a similar situation exists at the northern border with North Korea. There is a Korean ethnic minority within China, who speak Korean as well as Mandarin. Women from NK are smuggled across the border into forced marriages with these men.

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Single-handed sailor  Jun 18, 2018 • 12:53:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:00:24am

Repeat of a favorite hobbyhorse:

People want us to “run government like a business”, which, on the surface has some merit: government should be run on sound, sustainable economic principles.

But to a businessperson, things like education, health care, worker safety and environmental protection are all business expenses that are to be minimized or eliminated in order to increase the bottom line.

To a sound and responsible government, those are all things that constitute an investment into a prosperous, healthy and productive society.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:01:31am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

See also “schools should be run like a business.”

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:07:56am

Going over that recent Applegate essay on Biologos (where she is a key player, the “resource editor”, a member of the staff)… I was thinking of doing a Page about it, but man, the effort a human brain can go through to avoid the obvious is really quite stunning.

When she writes:

So, what do I think? I prefer to believe that Adam and Eve were a real couple in history who lived in Mesopotamia, among a larger population of people, perhaps around 6,000 B.C.

She seem oblivious to what even other Biologos writers before her immediately realized - that there is something inherently racist about this proposition.

Because: if there are already millions of humans living around, and a hypothetical God chooses just one couple and their offspring as chosen, that means the people on other continents were unchosen.

This is even worse than old-fashion creationists, who had everybody descended from, and only descended from, two people, so at least the old-fashioned creationists do not (at the beginning, before the whole Ham incident) elevate one group of people above another group.

It’s difficult for someone who is highly educated yet emotionally wedded to an escapist religion, to avoid building an elaborate defense mechanism, using their education to make elaborate (but faulty) syllogisms full of high-sounding words.

Applegate is what we get in this country when a fundamentalist graduates from a school, and gets an education, but who is unwilling to part with their old social group (who for the most part want a Dark Ages worldview.)

Anyway, Applegate’s essay is so dense with call-outs to this or that evangelical in-group that any Page I might attempt would become very lengthy as the need to untwine the noodles in her epistemological spaghetti is a rather onerous undertaking.

And frankly, I think she is playing to a small audience. The fundamentalists like Mohler & his gang will never accept her ideas, and the scientists who accept what the science implies, rather than run from the implications, aren’t going to care what she writes either.

Only the insiders at Biologos, who keep the organization afloat, need these kinds of essays to keep the money coming from Templeton.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:10:41am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Repeat of a favorite hobbyhorse:

People want us to “run government like a business”, which, on the surface has some merit: government should be run on sound, sustainable economic principles.

But to a businessperson, things like education, health care, worker safety and environmental protection are all business expenses that are to be minimized or eliminated in order to increase the bottom line.

To a sound and responsible government, those are all things that constitute an investment into a prosperous, healthy and productive society.

They don’t really want to run government like a business. The very second we started having a budget surplus, under Bill Clinton, they absolutely would not have it! Revenue absolutely must be reduced! What kind of business considers it immoral to be in the black?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:12:22am

I’m going to bow out for the night. I have to fix a well in the morning (ugh). G’night.

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:14:16am

re: #239 JordanRules

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:21:39am

re: #289 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

They don’t really want to run government like a business. The very second we started having a budget surplus, under Bill Clinton, they absolutely would not have it! Revenue absolutely must be reduced! What kind of business considers it immoral to be in the black?

I recall Rush Limbaugh’s reaction to the surpluses under Clinton: that is is immoral for the government to take more money from us than it needs to operate.

Although Rick Perry told us once that it is a Biblical principle to create surpluses in rich years to provide for lean years.

In other words, they are all talking out their asses.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:23:15am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

Last week was ten years since Tim Russert died.

Meet the Chuck has been a quite different rendering of the show since. Russert wouldn’t let anyone get away with lying on his show, regardless of party.

Tim Russert was garbage.

Donald Rumsfeld, Tim Russert and the Imaginary Bin Laden Bunker Caves

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:23:52am

re: #291 Teukka

As a domestic violence researcher, this analogy was apparent to me from day 1

this goes beyond “deterrence”. it is sociopathic behavior

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:26:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:32:14am

re: #295 freetoken

Resources Editor Kathryn Applegate shares her view on Adam in her blogpost “Why I Think Adam was a Real Person in History”

Biblical literalists are trying to get around having to ignore history, biology and archaeology with this absurd end-run.

Can’t you folks just accept that this is a myth, a parable or a story passed down through generations?

Plenty of reasonable Christians accept that the Bible can be the inspired word of God without having to see it as the literal word of God.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:34:14am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Applegate is not a literalist, though.

She’s a harmonizer.

She’s attempting to keep the story of Genesis, and modern science, and find some harmony between them.

It’s the worst approach. It only comes about when someone is trying really, really hard to avoid the obvious conclusion.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:35:50am

re: #293 Amory Blaine

Tim Russert was garbage.

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Okay, whew. I remember him being pretty terrible too. I thought I might have just been projecting my feelings of the Dubya days on him.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:36:33am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:36:57am

re: #295 freetoken

I’m pretty sure that “Adam and Eve” were meant to be the ancestors of the Israelites - not all of humanity.

This is easy enough to ascertain because after Cain whacked his brother, he went off to east of Eden, where he got married and had some kids.

The answer is right there in the mythology. Of course there were other humans and human tribes around; it’s just that the mythological Adam and Even were the founders of the Israelite tribe.

In any event, it’s simply an origin story - the same as told by every group of people since time immemorial.

Back later…..gotta work!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:38:26am

re: #297 freetoken

Applegate is not a literalist, though.

She’s a harmonizer.

She’s attempting to keep the story of Genesis, and modern science, and find some harmony between them.

It’s the worst approach. It only comes about when someone is trying really, really hard to avoid the obvious conclusion.

I guess some people’s worldview will just totally collapse if they come to accept that Genesis is just one of many creation myths handed down to us throughout history.

And again, there are Christians who have no problem seeing it that way, they look on it as part of their religious heritage and use the Bible to investigate the “why” of human creation and leave the mechanism of creation for scientists to try to figure out.

Even the Catholic Church sees no inherent conflict between Evolution and Creation.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:40:50am

Reading through the threads of the last 2 days has given me an anger headache. JFC

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:43:01am

re: #302 Amory Blaine

Reading through the threads of the last 2 days has given me an anger headache. JFC

The news from the ‘States grows more and more harrowing.

I get homesick for Flagstaff, Arizona right around this time of year, I love the summers there and they are connected with some of my fondest, most intense and most life-changing memories.

But right now I am glad to be buffered by an ocean and a continent from the goings on in America.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:45:58am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even the Catholic Church sees no inherent conflict between Evolution and Creation.

And neither does Applegate.

What she is proposing is that there were hominids around for many hundreds of thousands of years, and anatomical modern humans around for a couple of hundred thousand years.

Yet 6000 years ago, yes, 6000 just like Bishop Ussher determined, somehow a God (the Abrahamic God) picked one couple in the Middle East to be Adam and Eve, and made them special. This couple was magically transformed by this God, so only they knew, really were held responsible, for what was right and wrong.

Applegate needs to keep Eve around because Applegate wants to keep Augustine’s view alive. Applegate writes (with emphasis):

I am guilty for Eve’s sin, but also because I sin like Eve

So in order to keep Augustinian original sin, Applegate needs a real woman to be the first sinner.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:48:50am

Seeing this tweet of Beto O Rourke is a reminder of how important November is.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:51:26am

re: #288 freetoken

Hers is a patchwork argument, starting from weak premises and devolving from there. Even from the standpoint of a believer (which I am not), her idea that Adam and Eve were just two people especially selected by God ignores the entire Creation part of Genesis, which implies that Adam was the first man created by God, as in, there were no others anywhere.

From the standpoint of science, her argument fails from the genetic evidence, unless she’s trying to argue that Adam and Eve were the progenitors of R1b, the main haplotype among Europeans. Even there, it fails, because her timeline of 6,000 years would not give Adam and Eve’s descendants enough time to disseminate across the globe.

As I said, just scanning her essay gave me a headache. Trying to fisk it would probably lead to a stroke.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:56:10am

re: #306 wheat-dogg

Her essay is not easily unpacked because it has been carefully crafted to have token-words for this or that person, especially for their sugar daddy, the Templeton Foundation.

As for ancestry - given the number of our ancestors double every generation back, anyone who lived 6000 years ago and has descendants alive today, also will be the ancestor of everyone else who lives today. Even with severe pedigree collapse, the number of our genealogical (not DNA) ancestors overtake the population of the Earth more than a couple of thousand years ago.

So you and I may not have inherited any DNA from this “Adam” and “Eve”, but they would still be in our pedigree.

And thus we are fallen, because they were, in Applegate’s proposition.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 1:58:47am

re: #304 freetoken

So in order to keep Augustinian original sin, Applegate needs a real woman to be the first sinner.

And rather than see these people as symbols, allegories or myths, she has to make historical figures out of them.

Which is totally unfounded.

And it lies bare the basic problem of literal faith: if you want to accept the Bible as it reads, you not only have to reject history and science, but logic itself, as the Bible contradicts itself in many places.

But for some, that is a small price to pay for the comfort of True Faith.

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Kragar  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:00:18am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:04:15am

re: #309 Kragar

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:05:57am

re: #309 Kragar

A work that expands on Thomas Aquinas from retired Anglican Bishop Shelby Spong

Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:06:05am

re: #307 freetoken

Her essay is not easily unpacked because it has been carefully crafted to have token-words for this or that person, especially for their sugar daddy, the Templeton Foundation.

As for ancestry - given the number of our ancestors double every generation back, anyone who lived 6000 years ago and has descendants alive today, also will be the ancestor of everyone else who lives today. Even with severe pedigree collapse, the number of our genealogical (not DNA) ancestors overtake the population of the Earth more than a couple of thousand years ago.

So you and I may not have inherited any DNA from this “Adam” and “Eve”, but they would still be in our pedigree.

And thus we are fallen, because they were, in Applegate’s proposition.

I’m not sure about the highlighted section. I’d question whether I have any Chinese genes or Native American genes (for example) from 6,000 years ago in my DNA. Certainly, I would have inherited genetic material from our common ancestors, though.

As for the pedigree, who knows, eh?

In any event, it’s not worth debating the question, since her proposition is nonsensical. It would be like debating a flat-earther.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:08:56am

re: #312 wheat-dogg

In any event, it’s not worth debating the question, since her proposition is nonsensical. It would be like debating a flat-earther.

It usually does not take me long to determine wither it is worth conducting a debate or discussion with someone.

A buddy of mine went off the Right Wing Nationalist deep end a while back and when he started insisting that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a valid work of historical research, I gave up talking to him about politics.

And most everything else as he has really gone toxic.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:09:25am

re: #312 wheat-dogg

I’m not sure about the highlighted section. I’d question whether I have any Chinese genes or Native American genes (for example) from 6,000 years ago in my DNA. .

Your DNA ancestors are but a trivial fraction of your genealogical ancestors.

You will have inherited DNA but from a few thousand people who lived 6000 years ago, even if every adult alive then (and who have descendants today) are your ancestors.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:20:35am

re: #311 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A work that expands on Thomas Aquinas from retired Anglican Bishop Shelby Spong

Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism

Aquinas was handed a monumental task: to reconcile “heathen” science and philosophy with Catholic dogma. Before the ancient Greek and Roman manuscripts found their way back to Europe (through Muslim preservation efforts and translation), the Church had taught that the people who had existed in ancient times were brutes and barbarians, surviving Roman architecture and appia notwithstanding. That Plato, Aristotle and others were clearly men of letters put the Church in an uncomfortable position. How could Aristotle, for example, have developed his philosophy without knowing of Jesus and his Father? How could the Church absorb and/or adapt ancient Greek and Roman thought into Church dogma for the “modern” person? Ignoring it was not going to work, because scholars at the universities were already poring over the manuscripts and developing their own ideas, some of which would be non-dogmatic.

Now, to our minds, Aquinas was perhaps too strict in accepting everything Aristotle proposed as fact, but Thomas did manage to capture the Greeks’ willingness to study the real world separate from supernatural influences to see what might be learned about the natural world. People belittle the Middle Ages as a time of closed and benighted beliefs, but Aquinas’ melding of Catholic belief and Greek thought was pretty revolutionary, and it eventually led to scientific investigation and observation, and to the
“big” Renaissance. (The 13-14th centuries were the “little” Renaissance.”)

I’ve read some of Aquinas’ work. It’s pretty dense reading, but even a small sample would show someone Aquinas was a very intelligent fellow, though necessarily constrained by his beliefs and situation not to veer too far from church dogma.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:23:52am

re: #315 wheat-dogg

Now, to our minds, Aquinas was perhaps too strict in accepting everything Aristotle proposed as fact, but Thomas did manage to capture the Greeks’ willingness to study the real world separate from supernatural influences to see what might be learned about the natural world. People belittle the Middle Ages as a time of closed and benighted beliefs, but Aquinas’ melding of Catholic belief and Greek thought was pretty revolutionary, and it eventually led to scientific investigation and observation, and to the
“big” Renaissance. (The 13-14th centuries were the “little” Renaissance.”)

I had trouble with Thomas A because I was raised Catholic and had rejected everything they taught. But seeing him in his cultural and historical and cultural context, he was trying to do something pretty awesome.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:25:31am

re: #314 freetoken

Yeah, I got it. I keep forgetting that a lot of our DNA “washes out” after several generations. IOW, I may have 64 5g-parents, but I may not have all of their DNA in mine. Most of each person’s genetic material is from his or her more recent ancestors, because our DNA structure only has so much room. Something has to get left out.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:34:53am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had trouble with Thomas A because I was raised Catholic and had rejected everything they taught. But seeing him in his cultural and historical and cultural context, he was trying to do something pretty awesome.

He and Copernicus both operated under similar constraints. Don’t rock the boat too much, or the consequences could be severe. Aquinas could have read all of Aristotle and Plato and decided, “Boy, did the Church get it all wrong! This is really good stuff!” Copernicus died before he had a chance to really explain his cosmology, but the evidence suggests he would have avoided directly contradicting the geocentric model proposed by Aristotle (and integrated by Aquinas into dogma) by stating his heliocentric model was the true arrangement of the solar system. In 1543 that kind of talk would have meant a visit from the Inquisitors.

From the standpoint of the history of astronomy and physics, Aquinas and the Church did Europe a great disservice by wrongly solidifying Aristotle’s physics into dogma — something the Greeks themselves would have never done, despite Aristotle’s pre-eminence. Even Aristotle would have probably suggested his ideas were only ideas, not concrete facts. OTOH, Aquinas disseminated something that was so wrong physically that eventually someone was going to notice Aristotle’s physics was a pile of shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 2:48:52am

re: #319 wheat-dogg

OTOH, Aquinas disseminated something that was so wrong physically that eventually someone was going to notice Aristotle’s physics was a pile of shit.

It was a brilliant idea at the time but then we started observing and learning things that overturned it.

That is how science works.

I am trying to get my head around the idea that someday everything we think we know about science and nature and the universe will be shown to be almost entirely incorrect.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 3:01:55am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was a brilliant idea at the time but then we started observing and learning things that overturned it.

That is how science works.

I am trying to get my head around the idea that someday everything we think we know about science and nature and the universe will be shown to be almost entirely incorrect.

I doubt almost all will be found to be incorrect. Newton’s Laws are still useful within normal parameters. Someone discovering a way to travel faster than light, or creating antigravity, though, would sure stick a pin in today’s paradigms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 3:09:18am

re: #321 wheat-dogg

I doubt almost all will be found to be incorrect. Newton’s Laws are still useful within normal parameters. Someone discovering a way to travel faster than light, or creating antigravity, though, would sure stick a pin in today’s paradigms.

That is what I mean: geocentricism, heliocentricism, phlogiston, spontaneous generation, etc., were all viable theories based on the state of human knowledge at the time.

my 4th grade science teacher posited what would happen if we could travel far and fast enough.

would we come back around to where we started or would we wind up in a place that is identical in every detail to the point that we could not distinguish it?

(the odds are astronomical, but that is the point, so is the damn universe, such a place could exist somewhere)

and if we did, what would be the difference?

blew my mind

then he posited: what if we came “back” to a place where we had not left yet? will we have traveled in space or in time?

and what would be the difference?

I still think about that when I wake up at 3am and stop brooding about my ex…

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Chrysicat  Jun 18, 2018 • 3:43:02am

Of course, I failed to note on Twitter that we have one last chance not to be forced into an unconditional surrender one of these years, but with how blatant the GOP is being in its failure to even provide lip service to all but middle-class-and-above white people, they have to have a good feeling they’ve managed to make the election moot. Come on #BlueTsunami nonetheless though—I suspect it’s the only way I get to remain both free and here!

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 3:53:19am

i just went over to the washington times

the reporters / editorial writers are loons

the commenters are loons

they are all loons

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 3:56:15am
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Chrysicat  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:00:40am

re: #324 dangerman

Wait, you didn’t already know that? The Moonies seem to be fine with theocracy, not realising the ‘rest’ of Christianity would outlaw them as a cult, so of course they’re going to carry R water…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:04:42am

re: #326 Chrysicat

Wait, you didn’t already know that? The Moonies seem to be fine with theocracy, not realising the ‘rest’ of Christianity would outlaw them as a cult, so of course they’re going to carry R water…

problem with theocracy is agreeing on whose interpretation of which scriptures is to be the guideline for legislation

Russia has the Orthodox Church, which adds the nationalistic element to it

America has no such “national” church

England has the Anglican Church

Germany just divvied itself up between Lutherans and Catholics for their semi-established church/state system

France went totally secular except for Alsace, which operates on a similar semi-state system

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:10:19am

re: #325 freetoken

Frightening look at how the shaking appeared to an Osaka driver, via dashboard cam

Just need to edit that vid to show Mothra flying overhead…

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:13:13am

re: #328 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Emailed a friend of mine in Osaka… just heard back that she is ok.

It looks like most of the damage was to either older structures, or due to water damage when pipes broke, etc.

My friend has to fix a crack in her wall, but that is about it.

Japan is full of faults and volcanoes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:14:35am

re: #329 freetoken

Japan is full of faults and volcanoes.

Japan exists as a chain of islands because of faults and volcanoes…

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:15:43am

Since Amazon Prime now has Babylon 5 I am re-watching it, again, and noticing how even the early episodes laid the groundwork for episodes much later. It helps to have a single producer/director who has a vision for these things.

Also, the warnings about fascism that play a central part of the series now seem so timely.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:26:10am

re: #211 wheat-dogg

Did you say Heavy Weather?

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great album

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:32:31am

re: #234 JordanRules

Cult45!

On President @realDonaldTrump’s birthday Thursday, one man from South Carolina took a picture of a cloud, which he says looks like the commander in chief. Do you see the resemblance?

Pareidolia - psychological phenomenon in which the mind responds to a stimulus, usually an image or a sound, by perceiving a familiar pattern where none exists

personally, i see what looks like an asshole

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:37:01am

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹

On that 100 mph car chase initiated by CBP that ended in a crash and five dead, the sheriff of the county has weighed in.

Last I heard, you can’t outrun a radio. It seems to me that “good police work” doesn’t involve endangering the public with 100 mph car chases. It certainly doesn’t entail the deaths of passengers in a vehicle.

nydailynews.com

first time i saw in the heat of the night it became clear
what makes the police powerful isnt guns or clubs or fast cars or riot gear

its radios

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Amory Blaine  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:41:19am

A machine has figured out Rubik’s Cube all by itself

Unlike chess moves, changes to a Rubik’s Cube are hard to evaluate, which is why deep-learning machines haven’t been able to solve the puzzle on their own. Until now.

Yet another bastion of human skill and intelligence has fallen to the onslaught of the machines. A new kind of deep-learning machine has taught itself to solve a Rubik’s Cube without any human assistance.

The milestone is significant because the new approach tackles an important problem in computer science—how to solve complex problems when help is minimal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:42:09am

re: #211 wheat-dogg

Did you say Heavy Weather?

those guys were doing World Music before it was a marketing concept.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:43:56am

re: #274 ckkatz

Folks asked about the opinion article by Rob Rogers, former cartoonist for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. His article was published June 15. In it he talks about how the Post-Gazette has changed over the past decade, how it affected him, and his plans through 2020.

I Was Fired for Making Fun of Trump
By Rob Rogers
June 15, 2018

“After 25 years as the editorial cartoonist for The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, I was fired on Thursday.

I blame Donald Trump.

Well, sort of.

I should’ve seen it coming. When I had lunch with my new boss a few months ago, he informed me that the paper’s publisher believed that the editorial cartoonist was akin to an editorial writer, and that his views should reflect the philosophy of the newspaper.

That was a new one to me.”

[…]

nytimes.com

Ann Telnaes: “An American editorial cartoonist has been fired for skewering Trump. He likely won’t be the last.”

‘Trump doesn’t read; he gets all his news from the television (Fox News) and uses Twitter as his megaphone.’

“Oh, good lord.”
That was my reaction the day after the election of Donald Trump in November of 2016, when it dawned on me that I would be serving my year as president of the Association of American Editorial Cartoonists during the same time as the guy who wanted to “open up” libel laws and weaken the First Amendment so he could sue journalists more easily. Instead of the usual loss of jobs for editorial cartoonists that a president of the AAEC has to address during his or her tenure, now I’d be dealing with a much more fundamental threat to our profession: a president of the United States who has no idea or respect for the institution of a free press and its role in a democracy.

I did worry that editorial cartooning would be the next target of a president so enamored of visuals. That didn’t happen. In retrospect, I’m fairly certain it’s because Trump doesn’t read; he gets all his news from the television (Fox News) and uses Twitter as his megaphone. And I’m guessing his staff doesn’t cut out cartoons and tape them to the White House refrigerator so he will see them as he goes for his regular two scoops of ice cream. But with the firing of Pittsburgh Post-Gazette cartoonist Rob Rogers, we now see that suppressing a free press can be accomplished without an authoritarian president’s orders. Michael Cohen isn’t the only “fixer” Trump has at his disposal….

Op-ed goes on to describe the publisher of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s role and note the growth of Sinclair.

sltrib.com

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jeffreyw  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:45:45am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:48:30am

re: #218 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if this immigration shit just might be the thing that gets enough people to rail against Trump to make a difference?

I think this is a case of Trump going so far to please his rabid base that he is beginning to alienate all the other people who tacitly supported or at least accepted him.

And it is certainly going to motivate all those voters who did not feel compelled to get active two years ago.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 4:52:44am

my other favorite site electoral-vote.com has a bit this morning on Roger Stone. It will take you 2 minutes to read the whole thing.

the damning highlights:

- Roger Stone met with a Russian offering dirt on Clinton.
- Weeks before Stone’s meeting Papadopoulos was told in London that the Russians had dirt on Clinton
- A few weeks later, Natalia Veselnitskaya told Donald Trump Jr. that she had dirt on Clinton.
- Half a dozen other members of Team Trump had contact with the Russians during the campaign: Michael Flynn, AG Jeff Sessions, Carter Page, Paul Manafort, Felix Sater, and Jared Kushner.

That’s nine people. Eight of whom lied about their dealings

And at this point, the preponderance of evidence makes clear that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians.

- There is no other explanation for why Trump himself would need to spend so much time and energy challenging the legitimacy of the investigation and the coverage of his conduct.

The New Yorker’s Adam Davidson made this point last week; that the focus on all of the various dumpster fires of the Trump administration is taking attention away from the basic fact that the Russiagate story is both clear and simple: The Russians meddled in the election and offered help to the campaign. There is no “reasonable doubt” at this point.

Mueller will eventually fill in the details - the extent, the motives, the specific crimes, any smoking guns. However, we already know exactly what the central, and most damning, conclusion is going to be: The Russians successfully meddled in the 2016 election and tried mightily to get the campaign to help.

they will spin, deflect, web weave, distract, accuse.
And it will all still be perfectly true.

oh, and mark my words. stone’s defense that he lied to congress is gonna be “the guy called himself henry greenberg. i didnt know he was a russian”.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:06:46am

re: #340 dangerman

I hope the next goodfella Mueller indicts is Stone. It would be a fitting capstone to a career of rafcking elections.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:08:03am

re: #341 wheat-dogg

I hope the next goodfella Mueller indicts is Stone. It would be a fitting capstone to a career of rafcking elections.

I once went rafcking on the Colorado river…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:37:05am

re: #205 Anymouse 🌹

Last week was ten years since Tim Russert died.

Meet the Chuck has been a quite different rendering of the show since. Russert wouldn’t let anyone get away with lying on his show, regardless of party.

Oh Tiny Tim endlessly pushed Republican talking points. Sure do remember how Timmy was one of the Four Horsemen leading the Clinton Penis Hunt along with Tweety Matthews, Michael Kelly and Maureen Dowd.

And in 2000, Timmy boasted about getting his talking points from the GOP.

Tim Russert was the ultimate $tenographer and Propagandi$t for the Republican Party.

I remember when Meet The Press was run by Lawrence Spivak and then Bill Monroe and both of them took no prisoners when it came to their attitude on the show.

The decline of Meet The Press began when Roger Mudd took over and he endlessly kissed Reagan’s ass. And the show continues to degenerate under Chuck U Todd into total irrelevancy.

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TedStriker  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:38:14am

Well, if you liked the “Talking” series on AMC (Talking Dead, Talking Saul, etc.) with Chris Hardwick, it looks like they’re also dead now, at least with Chris Hardwick, and Hardwick’s career is toast:

CNN: AMC suspends Chris Hardwick talk show after ex-girlfriend makes allegations of abuse

Even The Nerdist, the company he founded in 2008 (though he apparently hasn’t been involved with them officially in some time), has completely scrubbed any mention of Hardwick from their website and denounced him.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:39:39am

re: #326 Chrysicat

Wait, you didn’t already know that? The Moonies seem to be fine with theocracy, not realising the ‘rest’ of Christianity would outlaw them as a cult, so of course they’re going to carry R water…

when i read the news, which isnt often, i usually start with google news
the headlines there are ‘reasonable’ so i click
i dont always note (or remember) where it is im going, whether ive been there before, etc
as soon as you said moonies, i went duh….

same for me here at lgf - i forget and then get reminded daily of most everyone’s personality characteristics. i just dont keep track

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:40:13am

re: #344 TedStriker

Well, if you liked the “Talking” series on AMC (Talking Dead, Talking Saul, etc.) with Chris Hardwick, it looks like they’re also dead now, at least with Chris Hardwick, and Hardwick’s career is toast:

CNN: AMC suspends Chris Hardwick talk show after ex-girlfriend makes allegations of abuse

so Hardwick is a real limpwick?

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:42:49am

re: #335 Amory Blaine

A machine has figured out Rubik’s Cube all by itself

if you’re not turning the faces by your own hand it’s just a mind game ;-)

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:46:22am

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think this is a case of Trump going so far to please his rabid base that he is beginning to alienate all the other people who tacitly supported or at least accepted him.

And it is certainly going to motivate all those voters who did not feel compelled to get active two years ago.

apparently pedophelia etc and white supremacy are lower on the unacceptibility scale than the forcible separation of children from their parents

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:46:25am

re: #347 dangerman

if you’re not turning the faces by your own hand it’s just a mind game ;-)

I just peel the stickers off and replace them

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:46:26am

re: #347 dangerman

if you’re not turning the faces by your own hand it’s just a mind game ;-)

Love is the answer.

(Playing those mind games….)

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wheat-dogg  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:47:37am

re: #349 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just peel the stickers off and replace them

The Kobayashi Maru technique.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:48:37am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so Hardwick is a real limpwick?

you’re gonna be like this all day?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:49:21am

And back to the news…

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:49:41am

re: #349 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just peel the stickers off and replace them

yeah, they fixed that

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:50:49am

re: #349 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just peel the stickers off and replace them

That’s what my niece did and I couldn’t stop laughing!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:51:03am

re: #352 dangerman

you’re gonna be like this all day?

I am like this all day, every day. I tell people that when I stop making execrable puns it is time to call emergency services…I was making them in German yesterday.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:52:08am

re: #353 Joe Bacon 🌹

And back to the news…

Satire is pointless. We have become a bad parody of ourselves.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 5:54:50am

re: #349 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just peel the stickers off and replace them

apparently you can also just take the thing apart and reassemble…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:05:42am

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:07:36am

re: #54 Belafon

Both Sanders and Angus King are backing it (the two I’s) as are every Democrat except Manchin. None of the Republicans have.

Manchin should mosey on over to the Republican Party.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:09:15am

re: #360 Patricia Kayden

Manchin should mosey on over to the Republican Party.

I realize that democrats need to be different in different locations. I get it and agree.

But this is not an agreement kind of thing. Either you support ripping children away from parents and throwing them into cages or not. This is not a dem/repub thing. This is a human thing.

We do not need dems who are not human. Anywhere in any state.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:13:09am

re: #359 I Would Prefer Not To

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Ha! I’d be fine with a child being gay, a Yankees or Patriots fan, liking Barney(As I post this, I’m a few paces from my niece watching him) but a Republican?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:14:22am

The sad truth you guys is a good chunk of out country lacks basic humanity and empathy for people. They judge the parents of these kids.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:15:12am

re: #361 MsJ

I realize that democrats need to be different in different locations. I get it and agree.

But this is not an agreement kind of thing. Either you support ripping children away from parents and throwing them into cages or not. This is not a dem/repub thing. This is a human thing.

We do not need dems who are not human. Anywhere in any state.

+1

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:19:53am

re: #364 dangerman

+1

Libertad y justica por todos.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:22:41am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Ha! I’d be fine with a child being gay, a Yankees or Patriots fan, liking Barney(As I post this, I’m a few paces from my niece watching him) but a Republican?

politics used to be easier. clashing of ideas and all. for the most part we co-existed D&R without (much) problem - even in the same household. sure exceptions….

it is becoming harder and harder to empathize? allow? accept? other people as republicans because of what their party is willingly allowing itself to stand for (and admitting it however perversely justified)

re: #361 MsJ

Either you support ripping children away from parents and throwing them into cages or not.

the R’s support this.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:24:06am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:28:18am

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:30:16am
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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:30:27am

re: #368 Unshaken Defiance

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:33:32am

re: #370 Belafon

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:36:11am

re: #360 Patricia Kayden

Manchin should mosey on over to the Republican Party.

Nope

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

He is terribly wrong on this but he is a crucial Dem and needs to win re-election.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:37:04am

re: #369 jaunte

I wish I hadn’t known this, and just started finding out when they are released. Now I need a drink.

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:37:32am

Won’t anyone have pity on the poor, misunderstood Border Patrol employees? You’re hurting their feels with all this talk about cages, y’all.

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sagehen  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:38:03am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Ha! I’d be fine with a child being gay, a Yankees or Patriots fan, liking Barney(As I post this, I’m a few paces from my niece watching him) but a Republican?

from Highlander: The Series

Kit: You thieving French whore!
Amanda: I told you, I’m not French.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:38:17am

re: #360 Patricia Kayden

Manchin should mosey on over to the Republican Party.

West Virginia is a deep red state; we cannot afford to lose any seats. Polite emails to Manchin may help but if he thinks the Democrats are going to reject him, he may just switch and it will be that much harder for the good guys to gain control of the Senate. He gets enough hate from liberals and “progressives” and is probably courted on a daily basis by McConnell.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:39:20am

re: #374 makeitstop

Won’t anyone have pity on the poor, misunderstood Border Patrol employees? You’re hurting their feels with all this talk about cages, y’all.

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Quit calling our cages cages!

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:39:51am

re: #377 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

Quit calling our cages cages!

Freedom Pens

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:39:59am
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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:40:16am

re: #378 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

Freedom Pens

Patriot Pens.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:40:42am

Alliteration is always preferred.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:42:22am

re: #381 freetoken

Alliteration is always preferred.

Freedom Fences.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:43:39am

re: #380 freetoken

Patriot Pens.

PELOSI PENS!!1!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:43:44am

re: #376 Hecuba’s daughter

West Virginia is a deep red state; we cannot afford to lose any seats. Polite emails to Manchin may help but if he thinks the Democrats are going to reject him, he may just switch and it will be that much harder for the good guys to gain control of the Senate. He gets enough hate from liberals and “progressives” and is probably courted on a daily basis by McConnell.

North Dakota is equally red. Heidelcamp signed on. I understand that Manchin can’t be progressive on most or even a plurality of issues, we need an uniting set of principles and one of them needs to be in opposition to this policy.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:44:18am

re: #379 freetoken

scotusblog.com

I have little faith in the supposed high court. Whatever they do will not be of benefit to average Americans.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:44:37am
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William Lewis  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:45:02am

re: #368 Unshaken Defiance

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:45:14am

re: #382 Belafon

re: #381 freetoken

re: #378 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

Trump Brand Bar A Lago Universities

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:45:18am

re: #369 jaunte

And the Wayfair case that will determine sales tax nexus on Internet sales.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:46:28am

re: #374 makeitstop

Won’t anyone have pity on the poor, misunderstood Border Patrol employees? You’re hurting their feels with all this talk about cages, y’all.

This just in from @davidbegnaud: Border Patrol has reached out to @cbsthismorning and said they are “very uncomfortable” with the use of the word cages. They say it’s not inaccurate and added that they may be cages but people are not being treated like animals.

we’re uncomfortable with the fact that you are 100% accurate

and that we are promoting this policy by voluntarily continuing to do our jobs instead of quitting and finding humane work doing almost anything else

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:47:24am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

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And I’m sure the kids are very “uncomfortable “ being separated from their parents too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:49:34am

MOOD

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:50:31am
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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:50:58am

re: #389 lawhawk

And the Wayfair case that will determine sales tax nexus on Internet sales.

What is that one? I haven’t heard about it.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:51:29am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:51:46am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

In other news, criminals and colluders hate LE agencies and personnel and disagree virulently when their secrets are exposed.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:51:53am

re: #393 The Vicious Babushka

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We would have been better off if your mother and grandfather were deported, you fascist fuck.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:52:01am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:52:42am

re: #398 The Vicious Babushka

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Fucker.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:52:47am

re: #395 MsJ

“Hey, don’t call them cages, that’s judgmental and opinionated. Just report the facts.”

/

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:53:20am

Spanish word of the day
jaula cage; kennel; pen; pig-sty; rabbit-hutch
interglot.com

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:53:54am

re: #389 lawhawk

And the Wayfair case that will determine sales tax nexus on Internet sales.

Justice Anthony Kennedy in a 2015 case suggested that it was time to review the decision of Quill in the wake of modern technology

if that applies to anything so inconsequential as taxes and money, i wonder if it applies to any other issues?

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:54:16am

re: #398 The Vicious Babushka

Desperate. Then again, Trump has been using his children to commit some of the most egregious crimes against the US, so maybe he’s an expert.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:54:46am

re: #398 The Vicious Babushka

He should try sticking to one argument, rather than weaving back and forth between “They’re not being put in cages!”, “We’re not separating families!”, “it’s the Dem’s fault we’re separating them into cages” and “They’re all criminals including the kids!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:56:04am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:56:18am

re: #390 dangerman

we’re uncomfortable with the fact that you are 100% accurate

and that we are promoting this policy by voluntarily continuing to do our jobs instead of quitting and finding humane work doing almost anything else

The “Eff Your Feelings” crowd is having it’s feelings hurt.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:58:28am

re: #367 MsJ

“Nope, all the FBI were out to defeat Drumpf, just look at this one text message from that one agent.”

///

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:58:48am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 6:59:03am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:00:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:01:24am

re: #408 MsJ

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You could you know join your Dem colleagues but being an elected Republican means being a coward.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:05:21am

Liberals/Dems/Indies study the Humanities. Conservatives these days implement the inhumanities.

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Weaselone  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:13:03am

re: #408 MsJ

Ah. I get it now. Nielsen is providing cover for these assholes to do nothing. They get to act all concerned and take the decisive action of investigating whether what is happening is really happening.

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Weaselone  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:15:50am

re: #410 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

We need to be careful about this.

1. We want CPB to track where children are while they’re in CPB custody, including in these private concentration camps.
2. We don’t necessarily want the CPB to track these children or unaccompanied minors once they’ve been placed with family in the states.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:19:26am
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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:19:30am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

North Dakota is equally red. Heidelcamp signed on. I understand that Manchin can’t be progressive on most or even a plurality of issues, we need an uniting set of principles and one of them needs to be in opposition to this policy.

This!!
I’m sorry, but this one is not your regular ole political calculation any longer. It’s so much more than that.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:20:08am

re: #398 The Vicious Babushka

CHANGE THE LAWS!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 18, 2018

Can you be more specific, please?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:21:10am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

The Toddler in Chief is on another Twitter rampage this morning, I see. He must not have liked the talk shows on Sunday.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:22:14am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:24:52am

The newest excuse: THEY’RE NOT REALLY RELATED TO EACH OTHER!!!!

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:25:27am

re: #414 Weaselone

We need to be careful about this.

1. We want CPB to track where children are while they’re in CPB custody, including in these private concentration camps.
2. We don’t necessarily want the CPB to track these children or unaccompanied minors once they’ve been placed with family in the states.

i think i read last week that once they’re out of custody they arent allowed to be tracked (fwiw)
i cant find the cite right now

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:25:32am

OT: Someone on here was asking about the Hulu TV show called Hard Sun.

I’ve watched two episodes and I think it’s pretty good. I’m a bit surprised by the poor reviews I read about before I watched it. Maybe the series really goes down hill after episode 2, but what I’ve seen I’ve liked.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:26:13am

re: #335 Amory Blaine

A machine has figured out Rubik’s Cube all by itself

And Skynet takes another step toward unlocking the nuclear codes.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:26:15am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

The newest excuse: THEY’RE NOT REALLY RELATED TO EACH OTHER!!!!

Sweet fancy Moses…..

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:26:37am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

So asylum seekers are kidnapping kids? Or just bringing random kids with them? Really? She’s such an idiot. We’re not.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:26:50am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

The newest excuse: THEY’RE NOT REALLY RELATED TO EACH OTHER!!!!

We demand to see their Birth certificates!!!!1 The Long form!!1

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:27:40am

re: #425 Patricia Kayden

So asylum seekers are kidnapping kids? Or just bringing random kids with them? Really? She’s such an idiot. We’re not.

The excuses are really getting bad now.

Almost as if they haven’t thought this through. /

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:27:44am

re: #417 Sir John Barron

Can you be more specific, please?

CHANGE THE LAWS!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 18, 2018

instead of the press yelling “there’s no law”, i want someone to ask SHS:

“the president has repeated that there’s a (democrat) law…. can you point us to what specific law he’s talking about?”

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:28:00am

re: #425 Patricia Kayden

So asylum seekers are kidnapping kids? Or just bringing random kids with them? Really? She’s such an idiot. We’re not.

They’re children being smuggled in to be delivered to a pedo pizza parlor in DC, run by the Clinton Foundation.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:28:12am

Seems like SCOTUS is doing a lot of punting today.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:28:13am

re: #423 Big Beautiful Door

And Skynet takes another step toward unlocking the nuclear codes.

WOPR figured that out in 1983!

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:28:15am

re: #419 Ace-o-aces

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They don’t care about concentration camps for “those people”. They only cared when they were going to be the victims of phantom camps.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:28:57am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

The newest excuse: THEY’RE NOT REALLY RELATED TO EACH OTHER!!!!

“We do not have the luxury of pretending that all individuals coming to this country as a family unit are in fact a family.”

1. therefore we’ll treat them as if none of them are

2. define “family”

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:30:26am

re: #418 Sir John Barron

The Toddler in Chief is on another Twitter rampage this morning, I see. He must not have liked the talk shows on Sunday.

Either that, or some big steaming turd is about to hit the fan.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:30:41am

re: #420 The Vicious Babushka

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:31:40am

re: #422 Sir John Barron

OT: Someone on here was asking about the Hulu TV show called Hard Sun.

I’ve watched two episodes and I think it’s pretty good. I’m a bit surprised by the poor reviews I read about before I watched it. Maybe the series really goes down hill after episode 2, but what I’ve seen I’ve liked.

I think that was me. Brits didn’t like it because it is pretty violent. That was their big complaint.

But for SciFi, I thought it was a very interesting premise.

And it doesn’t get worse, it gets better. IMHO, of course.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:32:00am

re: #418 Sir John Barron

The Toddler in Chief is on another Twitter rampage this morning, I see. He must not have liked the talk shows on Sunday.

He probably doesn’t like that people are protesting his wonderful “separating families because it’s actually the Democrat’s fault” plan.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:32:14am

re: #425 Patricia Kayden

So asylum seekers are kidnapping kids? Or just bringing random kids with them? Really? She’s such an idiot. We’re not.

If you don’t know whether they are related, there is no need to separate them anyway; you can always do DNA testing as a last resort. If Kirstjen Nielsen had any morality, she would announce her departure now instead of continuing this charade. But as a Republican, she clearly lacks either morals or courage.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:32:23am

WTF

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:32:28am

re: #427 Sir John Barron

The excuses are really getting bad now.

Almost as if they haven’t thought this through. /

as long as they’re excusing, they’re admitting it’s true and they’re doing it

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:33:00am

re: #434 Dr Lizardo

Either that, or some big steaming turd is about to hit the fan.

I am voting for this. I wish I wasn’t but I am.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:33:06am

re: #415 The Vicious Babushka

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“Boarder security”—he [or his intern] always sneaks in at least one. Probably on purpose to “own the liberal grammarians.”

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:33:55am

re: #431 Hecuba’s daughter

WOPR figured that out in 1983!

to be fair to skynet (and colossus), they gave wopr the codes…

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:34:16am

re: #439 Dr. Matt

That’s a Breitbart talking point - I saw it earlier today my time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:35:14am

re: #442 Barefoot Grin

“Boarder security”—he [or his intern] always sneaks in at least one. Probably on purpose to “own the liberal grammarians.”

You forget Trump’s background in real estate. He is very concerned about boarders! ///

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:35:18am
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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:35:19am

Via Scotusblog:

SCOTUS today dismissed Gill v. Whitford, the Wisconsin partisan gerrymandering case, for lack of standing (opinion here).
SCOTUS also held as follows:
(1) Existence of probable cause for arrest does not bar First Amendment retaliatory-arrest claim in this case (opinion in Lozman v. Riviera Beach here);
(2) Miscalculation of sentencing guidelines determined to be plain error ordinarily calls for court of appeals to vacate sentence (opinion in Rosales-Mireles here);
(3) Record as a whole supports judge’s decision not to grant a proportional sentence reduction (opinion in Chavez-Meza here).
SCOTUS adds five cases to its merits docket for next term, including antitrust case involving class-action suit against Apple by iPhone app purchasers (case page at this link).
The order list is available on the Supreme Court’s website at this link.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:39:22am

re: #446 Barefoot Grin

Fake news! Those aren’t the real numbers, the real unemployment crime rate is four times that high!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:39:25am

This is nearly straight out of the refugee camp in Children of Men….

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:41:08am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:41:37am

re: #439 Dr. Matt

WTF

Yes, there are no chain links in a real fence cage. Everyone knows that. The chain links totally make it not a cage. They probably even have flat screen TV’s in those cages, I mean chain link fences.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:43:21am
“Coulter has previously suggested shooting immigrants who are attempting to cross the U.S. southern border and said that ‘death squads’ may be the only hope if Trump helps pass immigration reform legislation”

Calling her a Nazi absolutely accurate.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:43:26am

re: #443 dangerman

to be fair to skynet (and colossus), they gave wopr the codes…

Unfair to WOPR! It was before Skynet ( I know — with time travel that wouldn’t matter) — we see it figuring the codes out on its own!

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:44:12am
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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:44:22am
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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:44:41am

re: #450 jaunte

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ann coulter’s just been added to my make trump kittens again

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rhuarc  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:44:55am

You guys can ban me, delete this post, or down vote so that it’s hidden, but I need to say this. It won’t be popular.

In the last thread there was a Twitter post about something needs to be done to Steven Miller to prevent white dude bros from taking his path. I think we can extend that question to the whole Trump administration and their supporters in Congress.

en.wikipedia.org

Our Congress can’t/won’t bring these Nazi’s to account. Our judiciary will never do anything. The ICC will never do anything. It will be swept under the rug. Some cursory/show punishment may happen, but nothing to deter future Nazi’s from this.

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:46:18am

re: #452 jaunte

Calling her a Nazi absolutely accurate.

Ann will be an interesting defendant in the dock when the USA has its own version of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

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freetoken  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:46:27am

re: #457 rhuarc

Seems like you’re drawing a bit of an overly negative assessment here.

Things do change. Elections do matter.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:47:28am
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William Lewis  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:47:28am

re: #447 lawhawk

Via Scotusblog:

Well, Wisconsin is utterly fucked again this fall.

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rhuarc  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:48:54am

re: #459 freetoken

Seems like you’re drawing a bit of an overly negative assessment here.

Things do change. Elections do matter.

Our whole country’s history has been one of not holding past leaders accountable for atrocities they commit. So pardon me if I’m drawing a negative assessment.

I’m not saying these policies won’t change with new leadership. What I’m saying is that nobody will be held accountable to deter future leaders from repeating them.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:48:57am

re: #460 jaunte

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:49:09am

re: #431 Hecuba’s daughter

WOPR figured that out in 1983!

Thank Dog WOPR like to play tic-tak-toe!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:50:32am

re: #452 jaunte

Calling her a Nazi absolutely accurate.

Coulter and most in the Trump Regime would have fit in nicely in 1938 Germany.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:51:05am

re: #460 jaunte

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Bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:51:24am

re: #463 MsJ

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I hate that Nazi bitch.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:52:34am

re: #455 JordanRules

We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.

— Sec. Kirstjen Nielsen

“We don’t even know they’re related so we’re not really separating families, see?!”

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:52:48am

re: #462 rhuarc

Our whole country’s history has been one of not holding past leaders accountable for atrocities they commit. So pardon me if I’m drawing a negative assessment.

I’m not saying these policies won’t change with new leadership. What I’m saying is that nobody will be held accountable to deter future leaders from repeating them.

This has been our history from the Confederates onward and more recently thru Nixon, Reagan & Dubya Bush.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:52:51am
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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:53:00am
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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:53:25am
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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:53:32am

re: #460 jaunte

Trump has issued his orders #398:

And Nielson is blindly following them.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:56:04am

re: #471 JordanRules

The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up. Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture!

— Donald J. Trump

“We’re not against all immigration, just illegal immigration…ah eff it, we’re against legal immigration, too.”

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:56:21am
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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:56:31am
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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:58:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 7:59:59am

re: #477 JordanRules

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How sad is it that this guy is a voice of reason? Of course, if Walsh were in office and dealing with this fascist fucks that make up his party’s base, he’d probably sing a different tune.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:01:24am

re: #478 HappyWarrior

How sad is it that this guy is a voice of reason? Of course, if Walsh were in office and dealing with this fascist fucks that make up his party’s base, he’d probably sing a different tune.

I wouldn’t go as far as claiming that asshole is the “a voice of reason”. He’s the still the same racist asshole what screamed “you lie” because Teh Black POTUS debunked the claim that undocumented immigrants got free health care.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:01:43am

That feeling when you find out Clippy is a demon.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:03:05am

re: #471 JordanRules

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Trump’s claim is, of course, a lie. Crime in Germany is way down.

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Broad With Sass  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:03:18am

re: #331 freetoken
I thinks Bezo timed this purposely….B5 has been held off streaming for so long

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:03:32am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

I wouldn’t go as far as claiming that asshole is the “a voice of reason”. He’s the still the same racist asshole what screamed “you lie” because Teh Black POTUS debunked the claim that undocumented immigrants got free health care.

That was Joe Wilson but I hear ya.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:04:01am

re: #481 Big Beautiful Door

Trump’s claim is, of course, a lie. Crime in Germany is way down.

I felt perfectly safe in Germany when I was there. Trump just knows he can claim an area is high crime and his fucking cult will buy it.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:04:08am

re: #483 HappyWarrior

That was Joe Wilson but I hear ya.

Whoops. Sorry. All these racist Nazis look alike.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:04:28am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:04:30am

re: #481 Big Beautiful Door

Trump’s claim is, of course, a lie. Crime in Germany is way down.

Not the real Germany crime rate, which is in DJT”s head.

/

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:06:11am

re: #480 jaunte

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That feeling when you find out Clippy is a demon.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:07:20am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:08:34am

re: #489 JordanRules

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Humane people don’t do this shit like this Anthony. Either you’re lying about the President’s character or you yourself are a shity judge of it.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:11:35am

re: #489 JordanRules

CNN has no respect for their audience. They have the ability to host experts, key decision makers or even their own reporters.

I think they strictly book guests based on name recognition.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:13:55am

re: #480 jaunte

That feeling when you find out Clippy is a demon.

When Democrats are in power, they need to introduce a bill requiring that any facial recognition request require a warrant.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:18:49am
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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:19:00am
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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:19:03am

Don’t call them cages!!

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:19:18am

re: #453 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfair to WOPR! It was before Skynet ( I know — with time travel that wouldn’t matter) — we see it figuring the codes out on its own!

oh duh that’s right
the whole point of that part of the movie
(why they built the thing with a single led readout that would show the code is beyond me)

what they did was wire wopr up directly to the missles

colossus had to blackmail humans to carry out what it wanted

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:21:07am

re: #493 MsJ

Putin on Trump today says he expects Trump to fulfill his election promises concerning relations w Russia

Calling in that debt.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:23:22am

re: #493 MsJ

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Putin knows that at a Summit he can easily roll Trump to recognize annexation of Crimea and ease sanctions for vague promises.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:23:32am

re: #489 JordanRules

It’s all about ratings, ad money and keeping access to the White House. Actual news is secondary.

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ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:24:11am

Morning…though a late one!

I got to thinking about Kirstjen Nielsen saying they do not have a policy of separating children from parents when they cross the border.

She is dancing on the smallest of pin heads.

I think all she is saying is when people cross the border America does not stop a family and split them up.

BUT…if they are doing it illegally, like coming across the Rio in Texas not at a border crossing then you are under arrest for being illegal and THEN the Trump admin separates you.

Also, Al Camperas on MTP yesterday explained another nuance to this mess.

In years past any illegal border crosser was arrested, but the children were often times given to relatives already in the country, which apparently happens a lot.

Now, due to the Trump/Sessions tough on entry to discourage people illegally crossing, many of the relatives are probably scared they too will be deported, so they are not identifying themselves. Thus America is ending up with kids that have nowhere to go, no one to claim them…so of to the “holding centers.”

So, in the thinnest of reasoning, America does not have a policy of separating families at the border.

We only separate kids from illegal border crossing families. Cross at a legit border entry point, claim amnesty, go through all the processes…no separation.

See, she is right!

I hope you understand my point. I’m not defending any of the Trump shit. I do enjoy taking apart language and how people use it.

Kirstjen Nielsen is splitting this hair to make herself feel better about doing something which she most likely knows is immoral. She is trying to find that little connection to morality so she can keep her job.

Good luck with that Kirstjen. You are still a Nazi. You’re just a Nazi that is telling herself this is okay. It is not.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:24:14am

re: #493 MsJ

Putin’s getting antsy about something. Maybe those sanctions are starting to hit all the right people - and he fears all those right people may conclude that Putin’s not so indispensable after all.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:24:31am

re: #494 jaunte

As I have said many times before, if you are seeking asylum for your family, there is no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry

This sort of distinction would make more sense if it were directed at U.S. citizens who speak good English, understand the laws, have money, etc. But people coming here from dire circumstances may not be reading the DHS Sec’s tweets or press releases.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:26:42am

re: #490 HappyWarrior

Humane people don’t do this shit like this Anthony. Either you’re lying about the President’s character or you yourself are a shity judge of it.

this morning’s winner
(its gonna be a long day)

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:26:48am

re: #502 Sir John Barron

…people coming here from dire circumstances may not be reading the DHS Sec’s tweets or press releases.

Languages of Guatemala:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:27:04am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:27:12am

re: #502 Sir John Barron

This sort of distinction would make more sense if it were directed at U.S. citizens who speak good English, understand the laws, have money, etc. But people coming here from dire circumstances may not be reading the DHS Sec’s tweets or press releases.

Yeah - but doesn’t a potential asylum seeker have to actually be on US soil in order to ask for asylum?

I mean, asking for asylum in the US when you’re literally standing in Mexico seems rather odd, at least to me.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:27:50am

re: #504 jaunte

Languages of Guatelmala:

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:27:51am

re: #493 MsJ

Putin on Trump today says he expects Trump to fulfill his election promises concerning relations w Russia

as if any politician anywhere in the history of everything ever did

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:32:10am

re: #506 Dr Lizardo

Yeah - but doesn’t a potential asylum seeker have to actually be on US soil in order to ask for asylum?

I mean, asking for asylum in the US when you’re literally standing in Mexico seems rather odd, at least to me.

Yeah, I don’t know, but her reasoning just seems rather odd to me, as if she might not understand why people would cross the border at some place other than the official station.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:32:38am

re: #501 Dr Lizardo

Putin’s getting antsy about something. Maybe those sanctions are starting to hit all the right people - and he fears all those right people may conclude that Putin’s not so indispensable after all.

Or he is seeing the writing on the wall vis a vis trump and his ongoing capacity to be able to carry out lifting those sanctions.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:33:05am

re: #508 dangerman

as if any politician anywhere in the history of everything ever did

In fairness, Putin did a lot for DJT, wants to get paid.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:34:21am

re: #510 MsJ

Or he is seeing the writing on the wall vis a vis trump and his ongoing capacity to be able to carry out lifting those sanctions.

Could be that too. Maybe Putin’s worried that Trump’s running out of time, and even if Pence took over as POTUS, the odds are pretty high that anti-Russian sentiment in the US would make it political suicide to do Russia any favors.

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ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:34:42am

re: #372 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

Nope

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

He is terribly wrong on this but he is a crucial Dem and needs to win re-election.

I think too many times people forget this is still politics and idealism is often nowhere to be found.

Manchin is running for office. If he signs on right now his state may turn against him and he loses the election.

If he loses the election Democrats may still not get control of the Senate. That hurts now and into the future.

But the even bigger thing…without Manchin you eliminate the politics of gaining the office AND THEN HAVING A CHANGE in his thinking/heart and he can then help Democrats with immigration policy in the future.

He loses, he can’t pivot/change and he can’t do shit. It is a political move.

What would rather have a chance or no chance at all?

Politics is ugly. We are in ugly times. Manchin is more help than harm. Dump him and he is no help at all and you may get a crazy West Virginian Republican and that is more harm.

By the way, I love idealism. I would love to live in an ideal world. Anyone know of one?

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:36:06am
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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:39:34am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:40:50am

Don’t believe the press, believe us, say the people who do nothing but lie and lie some more.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:43:31am

re: #472 jaunte

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Sad to read that. Hard to believe that this is happening right now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:45:59am

re: #480 jaunte

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That feeling when you find out Clippy is a demon.

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Lupin  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:47:32am

In the 60ies and 70ies the world hated the Vietnam Wat but there were youth and counterculture protests in America to show us all of America was not evil.

Ranting on twitter is not enough; you’ve got to show the rest of the world that not all of America has turned nazi.

BBC: migrants welcomed in Spain.

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ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:48:39am

re: #491 jaunte

I think they strictly book guests based on name recognition.

Which brings in the viewers.

A lot of nitwits will watch Dennis Rodman to see him be outrageous.

A policy expert is seen as boring.

This is the USA. This is why we are in the situation we are in today.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:49:03am

re: #512 Dr Lizardo

Could be that too. Maybe Putin’s worried that Trump’s running out of time, and even if Pence took over as POTUS, the odds are pretty high that anti-Russian sentiment in the US would make it political suicide to do Russia any favors.

Yep. Want’s his pay off and likely wants Trump to just put the hammer down on Mueller.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:49:22am

re: #520 ObserverArt

Now you see what Reality TV has done to us.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:50:10am

re: #517 Patricia Kayden

Odd that they would go to the expense of flying children all the way to Miami. Someone has got to be making money off each transfer.

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:50:25am

This just keeps getting worse and worse.

We have to ask how much of this shit is going on in our name.

And again - where are the women? Where are the girls?

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plansbandc  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:52:02am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

If I had had a child, I have no doubt it would have been a bible banging fundie Republican. Had it been a girl, of course it would have wanted to be in beauty pageants and cheerleading. Glad to have dodged that bullet.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:52:04am

re: #524 makeitstop

When a population is targeted as legalized victims, the predators are free to attack them.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:52:11am

re: #524 makeitstop

This just keeps getting worse and worse.

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We have to ask how much of this shit is going on in our name.

And again - where are the women? Where are the girls?

My niece is that little girl’s age. I wish I could punch this guy in the face.

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:53:23am

re: #527 HappyWarrior

My niece is that little girl’s age. I wish I could punch this guy in the face.

I was thinking what I could do with a pickaxe. But that’s just me.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:53:32am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:54:01am

re: #528 makeitstop

I was thinking what I could do with a pickaxe. But that’s just me.

That works too.

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:54:15am

re: #494 jaunte

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Laws can be changed. /Nazis.

The GOP are a bunch of fascists supporting Trump’s white supremacist policies.

There’s no other way to put this. Their actions are those of the fucking Nazis in setting up camps, demonizing minorities and immigrants, including those seeking lawful entry to the US under the existing asylum laws.

They are lying about the law and the policy - when the law is explicit in how an immigrant can seek protection. There’s two versions - affirmative and defensive asylum. One is when entering the nation, the other is when immigration seeks to deport.

And Trump wants to run roughshod over it because he doesn’t want the nonwhite asylum seekers here.

He only wants white European Christians here - something straight out of the white supremacists’ playbook.

He’s been pulling this since before running for office.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:54:24am

“…all it would take is two Republican senators to join 49 Democrats and independents and pass legislation that would end family separation. (Or 11 Republican senators if one of them decided to filibuster the legislation.)”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:54:25am

Make no mistake: Children will die before this is all over.

ICE will try to claim it was “exposure” or “heat stroke” or “an unfortunate accident”.

We can’t let them get away with it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:54:42am

They want to do this to these families. They’re not handcuffed.

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Jay C  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:55:07am

re: #519 Lupin

Ranting on twitter is not enough; you’ve got to show the rest of the world that not all of America has turned nazi.

Speaking of which, did anyone else notice that that “Sheriffs’ Association” or whatever - flag that HHS Sec’y Nielsen was posing in front of has an actual fasces on it??
Symbolism much??

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:55:12am

re: #533 Eclectic Cyborg

Make no mistake: Children will die before this is all over.

ICE will try to claim it was “exposure” or “heat stroke” or “an unfortunate accident”.

We can’t let them get away with it.

We need to repeal ICE after this and fundamentally change how we do immigration.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:55:26am

Remember that the definition of “White” is a sliding scale.

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gwangung  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:55:42am

re: #533 Eclectic Cyborg

Make no mistake: Children will die before this is all over.

ICE will try to claim it was “exposure” or “heat stroke” or “an unfortunate accident”.

We can’t let them get away with it.

And make no mistake….some children will NEVER be reunited with their parents.

These jokers can’t even proofread their press releases; what makes you think they’d even care about brown children?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:56:04am

re: #524 makeitstop

See, this is what we fear is going on in backwoods detention centers with little or no oversight. This is a nightmare.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:56:07am

Just remember, it would have been even worse under Hillary.
~co-signed by Jill Stein and Bernie voters.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:56:13am

re: #529 jaunte

Apparently a couple of random GOP congressmen making vague public statements about being “troubled” by the policy while doing nothing legislatively to fix the problem = “fighting”

I guarantee you these assholes are laughing about this behind closed doors.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:56:15am

re: #524 makeitstop

This just keeps getting worse and worse.

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We have to ask how much of this shit is going on in our name.

And again - where are the women? Where are the girls?

Fuck.
Predators seek out jobs with proximity to children. While the regime spits out the propaganda that they are protecting them from the free press and Congress.

This is all so sick.

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Lupin  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:57:14am

In the 1870s Napoleon III was goaded into war with Germany by a statement by von Bismarck that seems very mild today. (And the French voted unanimously less one vote (Adolphe Thiers) for war.) Fortunately we have moved beyond that, but Trump’s daily abuse on twitter is not going to be without some (probably unforeseen) consequences. If nothing else it’s painting a huge target on America’s back.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:57:17am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:58:05am

re: #538 gwangung

And make no mistake….some children will NEVER be reunited with their parents.

These jokers can’t even proofread their press releases; what makes you think they’d even care about brown children?

Exactly. There could already be 50 bodies in an unmarked grave by the time news of the first death gets out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:58:20am

re: #529 jaunte

The coverage of the family separation issue by most of the media has been grossly misleading.

Republicans are not fighting this policy. They are united in their opposition to a bill that would end it.

as long as they can get away with criticizing Trump and still support him, they will continue to do both

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:58:25am

re: #544 jaunte

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You’re a feckless toad Benny.

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Lupin  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:59:26am

I’m sorry to repeat myself, but you’ve got to organize some demonstrations à la Parkland to protest what’s going on with the children. It is essential.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 8:59:57am

re: #544 jaunte

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:00:40am

re: #543 Lupin

In the 1870s Napoleon III was goaded into war with Germany by a statement by von Bismarck that seems very mild today. (And the French voted unanimously less one vote (Adolphe Thiers) for war.) Fortunately we have moved beyond that, but Trump’s daily abuse on twitter is not going to be without some (probably unforeseen) consequences. If nothing else it’s painting a huge target on America’s back.

It was Bismarck rewording a dispatch from the Kaiser that led to the incident, the infamous “Emser Depesche”. I even visited the town where it was tweaked and sent postcards to all my friends that read:

Hope you are doing well going to hell, weather is fine, look forward to seeing pissing in your coffee again soon!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:01:11am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:01:14am

re: #544 jaunte

Ironically, foreign women are coming here to have American babies. Those women are Russian, however, so it’s all good.

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:01:16am

re: #513 ObserverArt

This tweet makes the point #201:

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:01:49am

Just like the fake crisis tRump made about North Korea that he now claims he “solved”, his regime made a fake crisis at the boarder border which has turned into a real crisis.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:02:29am

re: #476 JordanRules

By dismissing Wisconsin case SCOTUS missed huge opportunity to strike down extreme partisan gerrymandering. Gerrymandering central pillar of how GOP rigged Wisconsin & other key states

i just read a bit aboaut this case
hopefully im reading people smarter than me

the case was remanded not dismissed so that the “plaintiffs may have an opportunity to prove concrete and particularized injuries using evidence…”

Kagan, with others clearly laid out what kind of evidence might constitute proof

and it was a 9-0 decision

the usual ianal

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Lupin  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:03:12am

sea level rise threatens 3000,000 US homes

If only they could all be GOP voters..

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:03:27am
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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:03:46am

re: #532 jaunte

“…all it would take is two Republican senators to join 49 Democrats and independents and pass legislation that would end family separation. (Or 11 Republican senators if one of them decided to filibuster the legislation.)”

Something we also have to watch out for. This bill passes, who’s going to enforce it?

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:03:49am

re: #439 Dr. Matt

WTF

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:04:20am
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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:05:33am

re: #554 Dr. Matt

Just like the fake crisis tRump made about North Korea that he now claims he “solved”, his regime made a fake crisis at the boarder border which has turned into a real crisis.

…which they will also “solve” and continue to blame the dems

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:05:54am

re: #559 Teukka

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:06:31am

re: #548 Lupin

I’m sorry to repeat myself, but you’ve got to organize some demonstrations à la Parkland to protest what’s going on with the children. It is essential.

You are correct and it can’t be stated enough.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:07:09am

re: #557 jaunte

Trump Camps

simple, to the point
paint them with this forever

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:08:18am

re: #497 makeitstop

Calling in that debt.

If Putin knew anything about Trump, wouldn’t he realize that Trump is averse to paying off debts?

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:08:20am
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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:09:41am
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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:10:20am
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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:11:03am
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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:11:21am

re: #564 dangerman

simple, to the point
paint them with this forever

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:11:48am

Aaaaaaand, it gets worse….

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:12:07am

re: #569 JordanRules

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Has Dubya said anything on the issue yet?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:12:41am

re: #560 jaunte

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In their cage. No big deal. Sigh. What the hell man. Just what the hell.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:14:34am

re: #573 HappyWarrior

The lesson is that authoritarians are not content with the control of putting children in cages. They have to have more control. There will never be enough.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:14:44am

re: #572 Teukka

Has Dubya said anything on the issue yet?

His wife and daughter did and I think his foundation did too. I think the Bushes have made clear how they feel about this.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:16:04am

re: #569 JordanRules

Jeeze, Jeb, real Rino there.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:17:13am

del

(deleted because that guy is a nazi and no reason to give him an audience)

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:17:18am

re: #572 Teukka

Has Dubya said anything on the issue yet?

Nothing officially from Dubya yet.

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jaunte  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:17:45am
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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:18:21am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:18:36am

re: #577 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

shake my damn head…..

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The Iron Cross actually isn’t Nazi in itself but I sure as hell do wonder why an American government civil servant has one tattooed considering the German empire did participate in genocide in Africa.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:20:12am

I can’t tell but there is some kind of symbol within that Iron Cross tat.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:20:28am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

The Iron Cross actually isn’t Nazi in itself but I sure as hell do wonder why an American government civil servant has one tattooed considering the German empire did participate in genocide in Africa.

Wasn’t it originally an Egyptian thing?

No matter…it is no longer. And anyone who sports it on their skin now is not into antiquities.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:21:17am

re: #583 MsJ

Wasn’t it originally an Egyptian thing?

No matter…it is no longer. And anyone who sports it on their skin now is not into antiquities.

Prussian in origins actually.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:21:26am

re: #570 MsJ

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you are right

still - optics sells and short pithy phrases tend to be memorable and effective

everyone knows trump is not a democrat

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:22:27am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:23:22am

re: #586 JordanRules

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Of course, he would. Like the old time Nazis themselves, the current right is fond of projecting. Fake news is a great example of this.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:24:17am
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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:24:29am

re: #574 jaunte

The lesson is that authoritarians are not content with the control of putting children in cages. They have to have more control. There will never be enough.

if we dont make em behave (for their own good) somebody could get hurt //

who knows what trouble a 10 year old could get into

but it’s not jail
they arent locked up in cells
sure, they can’t leave and there are all these fences and guards (with weapons?)
(all you know, for the kids’ protection)

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:24:39am

re: #522 Eclectic Cyborg

Now you see what Reality TV has done to us.

Comin’ up next on The Violence Channel: An all-new “Ow, My Balls!” …Idiocracy 2006

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electrotek  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:25:15am

re: #588 JordanRules

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Breivik must be proud.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:26:12am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:26:42am

That photo right there is your privilege. Children of color can’t have toy guns without being labeled dangerous. Meanwhile if you’re a white blonde, you can pose with an assault rifle for your graduation photo taunting liberals.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:27:40am

re: #583 MsJ

Wasn’t it originally an Egyptian thing?

No matter…it is no longer. And anyone who sports it on their skin now is not into antiquities.

Yep. Only if he had this tattooed before 1932, then he could be granted the benefit of the doubt. But he doesn’t look like he’s in his 90’s, does he? //

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:27:48am

re: #588 JordanRules

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:28:58am
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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:29:13am
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electrotek  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:29:50am

re: #597 Teukka

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This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:07am

re: #597 Teukka

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:19am

re: #593 HappyWarrior

That photo right there is your privilege. Children of color can’t have toy guns without being labeled dangerous. Meanwhile if you’re a white blonde, you can pose with an assault rifle for your graduation photo taunting liberals.

and absolutely no one around called 911

call 911 for barbecuing
an actual assault rifle visible at a school? less than crickets

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:23am

re: #598 electrotek

This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

Oh she will. She always does.

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Jay C  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:26am

re: #598 electrotek

This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

Don’t tempt her….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:34am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

The Iron Cross actually isn’t Nazi in itself but I sure as hell do wonder why an American government civil servant has one tattooed considering the German empire did participate in genocide in Africa.

an iron cross with a swastika in it is pretty damn nazi

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:49am

re: #598 electrotek

This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

I think she just sunk too low even for the most mutt canine…

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Mike Lamb  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:31:52am

So Trump is trying to sell the notion that people are traveling thousands of miles with an unrelated child to act as a prop to help them gain entry? It’s a hard journey for an adult going alone. They are going to make it that much more difficult by bringing a child? Sure. Ok.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:32:04am

re: #598 electrotek

This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

You mean feckless c***, don’t you?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:32:05am

re: #603 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

an iron cross with a swastika in it is pretty damn nazi

I didn’t see the swastika in it. But eys it is Nazi.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:32:33am

re: #606 Hecuba’s daughter

You mean feckless c***, don’t you?

Nah, the term Nazi piece of shit works better for Ann.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:32:43am

re: #584 HappyWarrior

Prussian in origins actually.

The Prussians adopted it from Russia

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:32:47am

re: #598 electrotek

This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

I could see her utter the words “final solution” on TV.

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electrotek  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:33:22am

re: #610 Belafon

I could see her utter the words “final solution” on TV.

Too bad Katie Hopkins already beat her to the punch.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:33:28am

re: #598 electrotek

This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

It’s tough when reality is crueler than your schtick.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:33:29am

re: #555 dangerman

i just read a bit aboaut this case
hopefully im reading people smarter than me

the case was remanded not dismissed so that the “plaintiffs may have an opportunity to prove concrete and particularized injuries using evidence…”

Kagan, with others clearly laid out what kind of evidence might constitute proof

and it was a 9-0 decision

the usual ianal

Yeah, seems like the liberal jurists are doing all they can to lay out where this needs to go.
This is a good thread about it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:33:47am

re: #609 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Prussians adopted it from Russia

Did not know that. Not a surprise really.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:35:04am

re: #607 HappyWarrior

I didn’t see the swastika in it. But eys it is Nazi.

it seemed to be implied by the juxtaposition of images.

be careful with such reporting

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:35:10am

re: #605 Mike Lamb

So Trump is trying to sell the notion that people are traveling thousands of miles with an unrelated child to act as a prop to help them gain entry? It’s a hard journey for an adult going alone. They are going to make it that much more difficult by bringing a child? Sure. Ok.

1. We’re not separating families
2. The kids are just props for criminals
3. It’s the Dems fault
4. It’s a good deterrent
5. They’re not being put in cages, just cage like fences
6. We won’t apologize for doing our jobs
7. We don’t have a policy of separation
8. CHANGE THE LAW(s)
9. Crime very immigrant
10. Look at Germany Culture!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:35:26am

re: #614 HappyWarrior

Did not know that. Not a surprise really.

The Cross of St George

Russia supported the Prussian state in its wars against Napoleon and it came with the military gear they supplied

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:35:57am

re: #615 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it seemed to be implied by the juxtaposition of images.

be careful with such reporting

It’s not the reporting. IT’s that the image within the IC on the man’s tattoo was too blurry for me to see what it was. I know as a former history major with a Euro history concentration the difference between an IC and swastika.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:36:14am

re: #617 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Cross of St George

The Patron Saint of Russia and England.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:36:15am

re: #605 Mike Lamb

So Trump is trying to sell the notion that people are traveling thousands of miles with an unrelated child to act as a prop to help them gain entry? It’s a hard journey for an adult going alone. They are going to make it that much more difficult by bringing a child? Sure. Ok.

soros is paying them to do it

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:36:16am

re: #461 William Lewis

The Court again punted on gerrymandering, ruling that the plaintiffs lacked standing.

I’m still curious as to who they’d consider to have standing, if not the voters affected by the gerrymandering.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:37:22am

re: #586 JordanRules

My surprised face, let me show you it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:37:32am

re: #618 HappyWarrior

It’s not the reporting. IT’s that the image within the IC on the man’s tattoo was too blurry for me to see what it was. I know as a former history major with a Euro history concentration the difference between an IC and swastika.

if there was a damn swastika in the Iron Cross then there is no question of what it is about

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:38:09am

re: #623 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

if there was a damn swastika in the Iron Cross then there is no question of what it is about

Right, absolutely, I’m just saying that I couldn’t see the image within the IC.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:38:36am

re: #586 JordanRules

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Syrian/Mexican…what’ the difference, they’re both brown….

Lots of ugly as hell, black souled people in this country….

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:38:50am

re: #623 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

if there was a damn swastika in the Iron Cross then there is no question of what it is about

Do you see one? The pic was posted by me last night without that juxtaposed image and several other times. I cannot tell.

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:39:21am

Oh FFS

While he’s busy thinking Moonraker is actually a thing, the Russians continue plotting and disrupting outcomes of elections, including our own.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:39:26am

re: #621 lawhawk

The Court again punted on gerrymandering, ruling that the plaintiffs lacked standing.

I’m still curious as to who they’d consider to have standing, if not the voters affected by the gerrymandering.

If it was a poor corporation, Roberts and the other four might have more sympathy.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:39:47am

re: #619 HappyWarrior

The Patron Saint of Russia and England.

of course! The sumbitch killed a freaking dragon!

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:39:55am
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electrotek  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:40:06am

re: #625 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

Syrian/Mexican…what’ the difference, they’re both brown….

Lots of ugly as hell, black souled people in this country….

Ironic thing is that there are some Mexicans who do have Syrian ancestry.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:41:03am

re: #627 lawhawk

LOL, yeah, Trump must’ve thought Moonraker was a documentary.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:41:48am

Boom!!

Good on him. This is forever on the Dem record.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:42:13am

re: #630 JordanRules

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Trump doesn’t know nor does he care that a lot of these children are coming from rural areas in Latin America where MS-13 isn’t a factor. Some of them in countries where MS-13 isn’t a thing. MS-13 has become Trump speak for all bad people in LA.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:42:49am

re: #633 JordanRules

Boom!!

Good on him. This is forever on the Dem record.

“Yeah but the children aren’t ‘innocent’ and they aren’t really families and….”
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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:43:00am

re: #633 JordanRules

Boom!!

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Good on him. This is forever on the Dem record.

Not sure what boom this is since Republicans have to bring it to the floor.

Which they will not.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:43:04am

re: #633 JordanRules

Boom!!

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Good on him. This is forever on the Dem record.

Thank you Joe. Seriously. We needed a united party caucus on this.

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gwangung  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:43:05am

re: #634 HappyWarrior

Trump doesn’t know nor does he care that a lot of these children are coming from rural areas in Latin America where MS-13 isn’t a factor. Some of them in countries where MS-13 isn’t a thing. MS-13 has become Trump speak for all bad people in LA.

MS-13 is Trump speak for Latinx.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:43:32am

re: #636 MsJ

Not sure what boom this is since Republicans have to bring it to the floor.

Which they will not.

Final Dem caucus member to join. A lot of us were rightfully frustrated at Manchin’s silence on the issue until now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:43:47am

re: #638 gwangung

MS-13 is Trump speak for Latinx.

Yep!

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:44:55am

re: #636 MsJ

Not sure what boom this is since Republicans have to bring it to the floor.

Which they will not.

Every non-Republican supports it. I argued yesterday that we need to make sure the focus is on the Republicans, even without Manchin, but this removes any “all BUT Manchin” from any headlines.

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Interesting Times  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:45:24am

re: #639 HappyWarrior

Final Dem caucus member to join. A lot of us were rightfully frustrated at Manchin’s silence on the issue until now.

Yes, and I think his statement threads the needle about as well as it can given the state he represents (West-by-dog Virginia)

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:45:54am

re: #636 MsJ

Not sure what boom this is since Republicans have to bring it to the floor.

Which they will not.

My sense that our party unified around this beyond politics. This is morality.

I never thought the Republicans would sign it. This is good and right and I’m happy every member of my party affirmed it formally. And I will be marching, screaming and doing whatever else the fuck is necessary from my southern border state.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:45:58am

re: #639 HappyWarrior

Final Dem caucus member to join. A lot of us were rightfully frustrated at Manchin’s silence on the issue until now.

I get it. I get why unity is important.

But it is still meaningless.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:46:08am

re: #642 Interesting Times

Yes, and I think his statement threads the needle about as well as it can given the state he represents (West-by-dog Virginia)

I hope he reminds the people of his state that immigration helped drive his state’s economy.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:46:55am

re: #636 MsJ

Not sure what boom this is since Republicans have to bring it to the floor.

Which they will not.

forget r’s have congress and the wh

trump trumpets we are forced to do this because its the dems fault
trump trumpets “congress do something!”

every dem signed on to this
zero R’s

it is no longer dem’s are blocking our ability to fix this

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:46:55am

re: #644 MsJ

I get it. I get why unity is important.

But it is still meaningless.

Not to me.

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:46:56am

re: #598 electrotek

This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

Hold on, it’s only Monday.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:48:51am

This is what a mentally ill person sounds like….

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:50:19am

re: #649 Dr. Matt

This is what a mentally ill person sounds like….

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Yeah, OK there, Darth. We’ll get right on it.

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MsJ  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:50:25am

re: #647 JordanRules

Not to me.

I get that, too. And I agree with the sentiment.

But we need action, not sentiment.

And I am in no way picking on you.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:50:31am

re: #649 Dr. Matt

This is what a mentally ill person sounds like….

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Can we stand him to space and not send him back?

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:50:46am
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Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:50:52am

re: #649 Dr. Matt

This is what a mentally ill person sounds like….

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Meanwhile, the brass at the USAF are asking themselves “WTF is this goober talking about? We’re already tasked with that shit.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:50:52am

re: #650 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, OK there, Darth. We’ll get right on it.

Ivanka, I am your father and I really want to do you.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:51:30am

re: #653 Dr. Matt

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Not enough money to help a key geopolitical ally but enough money to go war with the Martians.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:52:52am

re: #654 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the brass at the USAF are asking themselves “WTF is this goober talking about? We’re already tasked with that shit.”

They’re probably laughing their asses off behind closed doors, making cracks about how loonie he is.

Probably calling him “Darth Stupidus” or something.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:53:07am

re: #649 Dr. Matt

This is what a mentally ill person sounds like….

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SPACEFORCE!!

We can’t even send a guy into space and Trump wants to control it?

He’s looney.

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:53:08am

re: #649 Dr. Matt

“We must have American dominance in space.”

That’s a direct violation of international law, isn’t it?

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:53:10am

re: #649 Dr. Matt

And it would violate the Outer Space Treaty all while providing zero upside for the US.

The moment we do this, the Chinese and Russians will likewise militarize space, and put our advantages at risk - like targeting our GPS systems, recon satellites, and comms satellites.

Other countries will look to yet another ruinous arms race that doesn’t actually improve national security.

At the same time Trump is ignoring the ongoing cyberwar against the US and our allies by Russia.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:53:19am

re: #649 Dr. Matt

This is what a mentally ill person sounds like….

So, astronauts with gunz?

/

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:53:38am

re: #657 Dr Lizardo

They’re probably laughing their asses off behind closed doors, making cracks about how loonie he is.

Probably calling him “Darth Stupidus” or something.

Jar Jar.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:54:09am

re: #657 Dr Lizardo

They’re probably laughing their asses off behind closed doors, making cracks about how loonie he is.

Probably calling him “Darth Stupidus” or something.

Nobody is going to be laughing when Jared becomes a 6 star Space Force general!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:54:20am

re: #661 Sir John Barron

So, astronauts with gunz?

/

gta.wikia.com

When GTA becomes reality. I can’t wait to see what they do with the next game as a representation of American life.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:54:46am

re: #662 lawhawk

Jar Jar.

Anakin Skywanker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:55:11am

re: #661 Sir John Barron

So, astronauts with gunz?

/

I am guessing that he sat up watching Starship Troopers on Netflix the other night

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:55:15am
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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:55:38am

[trump] Hey Putin, can you give our Space Force guys a lift into space, we have destroy some of your satellites… [/trump]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:55:45am

re: #664 HappyWarrior

gta.wikia.com

When GTA becomes reality. I can’t wait to see what they do with the next game as a representation of American life.

The games shape reality these days, not the other way around

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:56:57am

re: #627 lawhawk

Oh FFS

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While he’s busy thinking Moonraker is actually a thing, the Russians continue plotting and disrupting outcomes of elections, including our own.

Isn’t the militarization of space against some international convention(s)?

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:58:22am

Add another side on to the Pentagon.

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:58:30am

re: #670 Teukka

The Outer Space Treaty.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:58:42am

re: #669 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The games shape reality these days, not the other way around

Well that series has always been brilliant at social commetnary.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:58:59am

re: #670 Teukka

Isn’t the militarization of space against some international convention(s)?

It is.

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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:59:34am

a reminder from just upthread:

re: #340 dangerman

the focus on all of the various dumpster fires of the Trump administration is taking attention away from the basic fact that the Russiagate story is both clear and simple:

The Russians meddled in the election and offered help to the campaign. There is no “reasonable doubt” at this point.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:59:43am

re: #654 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the brass at the USAF are asking themselves “WTF is this goober talking about? We’re already tasked with that shit.”

I guarantee you Dotard came up with it this morning and hastily put together that script without vetting it by his Regime.

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 9:59:55am

We’ve seen this before. If the public makes enough noise, Trump starts looking for a way out.

Keep making noise. Might not look like it right now, but it is working.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:00:26am

re: #654 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the brass at the USAF are asking themselves “WTF is this goober talking about? We’re already tasked with that shit.”

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ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:00:33am

re: #584 HappyWarrior

Prussian in origins actually.

It is also considered the “Surfers Cross” from as far back as the 60s.

Here is a Google image link with Surfer’s Crosses.

I used to have one on a chain as a necklace back in grade school…like ‘64 or so.

Google Images - Surfer’s Cross

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:00:58am

re: #676 Dr. Matt

I guarantee you Dotard came up with it this morning and hastily put together that script without vetting it by his Regime.

I remember him saying something about Space Force last year.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:01:14am

re: #651 MsJ

I get that, too. And I agree with the sentiment.

But we need action, not sentiment.

And I am in no way picking on you.

I know. I understand your point.
I’ve been clear that we have to do more and there is 1 party taking action too. You’ve seen the coverage here. Elected and campaigning Dems are banging on doors at the Trump camps, leading marches to the Trump camps, documenting and communicating what they are witnessing at the Trump camps, protesting in front of CBP headquarters and blocking 15th Ave in DC against the Trump camps. They are also writing legislation against the Trump camps. It’s ready to go after November and it sends a message to it’s base, like me. Groups on the ground are mobilizing and starting to allocate more resources from a surge in monetary donations.

But we need more action from more people and unity on this bill doesn’t harm that. I don’t know what it will take to get more apathetic people to rise to action. And that worries me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:01:41am

re: #679 ObserverArt

It is also considered the “Surfers Cross” from as far back as the 60s.

Here is a Google image link with Surfer’s Crosses.

I used to have one on a chain as a necklace back in grade school…like ‘64 or so.

Google Images - Surfer’s Cross

They were big with Hell’s Angels as well…I recall having one as a kid because I thought it was bitchin’ cool.

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plansbandc  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:02:03am

re: #598 electrotek

Oh sure she can.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:02:44am

re: #682 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They were big with Hell’s Angels as well…I recall having one as a kid because I thought it was bitchin’ cool.

Personally, I always associate the Iron Cross with biker gangs.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:03:55am

re: #680 makeitstop

I remember him saying something about Space Force last year.

He did. I meant his announcement was a spur of a thing for today. He needs a distraction from his Nazi-like activities on the boarder [sic]. Mission accomplished.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:05:03am

We need a Space Force.

Just imagine all of the untold lifeforms out there that the Trump administration hasn’t discriminated against yet.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:05:41am

space force (w/o quotes) yields 619,000,000 results (0.75 seconds) on google.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:06:15am

re: #679 ObserverArt

It is also considered the “Surfers Cross” from as far back as the 60s.

Here is a Google image link with Surfer’s Crosses.

I used to have one on a chain as a necklace back in grade school…like ‘64 or so.

Google Images - Surfer’s Cross

Yeah I think there was a label that used it that my brother had a beanie for.

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:06:31am

So, it’s not a deterrent, and the Admin has no interest in reunification of these families.

It’s all about the barbarism and evil intent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:07:48am

re: #686 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

We need a Space Force.

Just imagine all of the untold lifeforms out there that the Trump administration hasn’t discriminated against yet.

especially those from Star Cluster MS-13

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:08:27am

Thread from Hoarse.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:08:48am
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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:09:05am

re: #690 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

especially those from Star Cluster MS-13

Just as long as he doesn’t piss the Vorlons or Minbari off…

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:09:08am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:09:54am

re: #694 b.d. (De-ICE the USA)

Also, “provocative”. But being “dominant” in militarized space not provocative.

OK.

/

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lawhawk  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:09:56am

re: #693 Teukka

I welcome our Minbari overlords. I stop short of fealty to the Shadows.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:10:19am

Yeah, sure the Iron Cross and Swastika were not originally from Nazi Germany. Call me “old fashioned”, but I’m not going to don something that was appropriated by fucking Nazi Germany no matter the origin and no matter who else donned it. FFS.

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Teukka  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:11:00am

re: #696 lawhawk

I welcome our Minbari overlords. I stop short of fealty to the Shadows.

Video related:

If You Value Your Lives Be Somewhere Else.

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Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:11:12am

re: #677 makeitstop

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We’ve seen this before. If the public makes enough noise, Trump starts looking for a way out.

Keep making noise. Might not look like it right now, but it is working.

Donny’s sounding desperate because the clock is running down. Best case scenario for the GOP continues to be that they retain Congress but only barely. Most likely scenario is they lose the House, which effectively means there will be no major legislation signed into law prior to 2021. This is really his last chance at getting funding for the Tortilla Curtain and he’s bungling it badly because the urgency he tried to create with this godawful policy has turned the public against him. It’s hard to extract demands from the opposition when they’ve got public sentiment on their side.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:11:29am
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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:12:02am

re: #598 electrotek

This bitch can’t sink any lower, can’t she?

Oh hell yes she can. She’s been proving that for decades.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:12:40am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:12:44am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:12:46am

Wouldn’t congress have to create a bill that creates new branch of the military/DOD?

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electrotek  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:13:22am

Does anyone have any links that refute conservative bullshit talking points about Obama’s involvement in this crisis?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:14:14am

re: #703 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

They should have sent your grandfather back to Prussia to serve his time for dodging military service and your mother should have stayed in Scotland because maybe she’d marry a decent person rather than your jizzbucket of a father.

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ObserverArt  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:15:41am

re: #697 Dr. Matt

Yeah, sure the Iron Cross and Swastika were not originally from Nazi Germany. Call me “old fashioned”, but I’m not going to don something that was appropriated by fucking Nazi Germany no matter the origin and no matter who else donned it. FFS.

Is anyone asking you to wear one or tattoo one on your arm?

People like to discuss history and shit. There is nothing wrong with being informed.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:18:04am

re: #704 Dr. Matt

Wouldn’t congress have to create a bill that creates new branch of the military/DOD?

only terrestrial ones..

that’s what happens when you have strict originalists on the court…

//

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BeachDem  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:19:41am

re: #696 lawhawk

I welcome our Minbari overlords. I stop short of fealty to the Shadows.

I would actually prefer a minibar overlord.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:20:49am

re: #707 ObserverArt

Is anyone asking you to wear one or tattoo one on your arm?

People like to discuss history and shit. There is nothing wrong with being informed.

I never said someone was asking me to don one.

Step 1. Untwist your panties.
Step 2. See step 1.

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I cannot.  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:21:25am
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Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:22:11am

“Vlad, ya gotta help me! The public’s turning against me on this whole illegal kid business! Even waving MS-13 at them is not working anymore! I need something to get them back on my side!”

“Well, I have been wanting to put some weapon satellites into orbit over the US…”

“SPACE FORCE! Brilliant, Vlad! I knew there was a reason I went to you for ideas!”

“Right, ‘ideas…’”

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:22:49am

re: #705 electrotek

Does anyone have any links that refute conservative bullshit talking points about Obama’s involvement in this crisis?

Snopes pretty much has it covered.
snopes.com

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wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:24:37am

There’s a Paul Simon song for every occasion:

Trailways Bus

Three and a half minutes in:

[…]

The border patrol outside of Tucson boarded the bus

BORDER PATROLMEN

Any aliens here, you better check with us
How ‘bout you son?
You like you’ve got Spanish blood
Do you “habla ingles”? Am I understood?

SAL

Yes, I am an alien from Mars
I come to earth from outer space
And if I traveled my whole life
You guys would still be on my case
You guys would still be on my case

[…]

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:25:08am

re: #689 lawhawk

So, it’s not a deterrent, and the Admin has no interest in reunification of these families.

It’s all about the barbarism and evil intent.

They’re trying to create images of thousands of starving young children at the gates so they can ask for emergency measures.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:27:28am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:31:09am

re: #633 JordanRules

Boom!!

[Embedded content]

Good on him. This is forever on the Dem record.

Standing ovation!! I need to stop criticizing him.

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William Lewis  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:31:20am

re: #621 lawhawk

The Court again punted on gerrymandering, ruling that the plaintiffs lacked standing.

I’m still curious as to who they’d consider to have standing, if not the voters affected by the gerrymandering.

They also claimed to give a listing of what would constitute proof of harm but it will never be enough. They don’t want to touch it and this is their way of refusing to do their jobs.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:33:55am

re: #715 Belafon

They’re trying to create images of thousands of starving young children at the gates so they can ask for emergency measures.

Shit. That’s probably right and very scary.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:36:39am
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dangerman  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:38:39am

never again is happening now

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:40:48am

re: #711 I cannot.

I think I’m only getting half of the tweets, but the comparison to the Nuremberg trials is that officials need to be held accountable for the horror they are inflicting, and it needs to be done outside the normal process because the entire country needs to learn a lesson. This, in and of itself, does not require violence.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:41:30am

re: #704 Dr. Matt

Wouldn’t congress have to create a bill that creates new branch of the military/DOD?

Paul Ryan is working on it right now.

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Targetpractice  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:41:38am

re: #721 dangerman

never again is happening now

“Stop calling us Nazis! We just house undesirables in camps, forcibly separate families as a policy, and want to pass laws to ‘relocate’ them! We haven’t talked about mass execution…yet…”

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:42:47am

re: #704 Dr. Matt

Wouldn’t congress have to create a bill that creates new branch of the military/DOD?

Congress?

/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:42:52am

re: #720 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

Mussolini junior. But liberal fascism eh Jonah and NRO?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:42:59am
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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:43:00am

re: #721 dangerman

never again is happening now

Like right now. It’s not coming. It’s here.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:43:26am

re: #716 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

For those of us lacking the visuals, what does it say or show?

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:43:45am

re: #704 Dr. Matt

Wouldn’t congress have to create a bill that creates new branch of the military/DOD?

At a minimum, Congress has to allocate the funding for it.

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makeitstop  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:45:05am

re: #729 Sir John Barron

For those of us lacking the visuals, what does it say or show?

The email took issue with Coldplay playing the Superb Owl, asking if that would qualify as a disaster in itself.

I vote yeah, for the record.

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b.d.  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:45:09am

re: #730 Belafon

At a minimum, Congress has to allocate the funding for it.

They better hurry because Trump is expecting to see an awesome Space Force presence in his parade.

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Winston_Smith  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:48:36am

And BOOM!, there it is.

Anybody still think we’re going to be able to deal with these people on any level?

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:49:07am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:49:40am

re: #733 Winston_Smith

And BOOM!, there it is.

[Embedded content]

All it took was the Orange hand of approval. Fucking cult, pardon my language.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:49:58am

re: #733 Winston_Smith

And BOOM!, there it is.

[Embedded content]

Knew it was coming but fuck these ignorant shitstains!!

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:50:14am

re: #733 Winston_Smith

And BOOM!, there it is.

Of course. Pelosi won’t kill her own constituents.

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TedStriker  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:50:22am

re: #688 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think there was a label that used it that my brother had a beanie for.

West Coast Choppers uses it as the basis for their logo.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:51:08am

re: #738 TedStriker

West Coast Choppers uses it as the basis for their logo.

I was thinking of Independent if I remember the brand correctly.

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JordanRules  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:51:17am

re: #737 Belafon

Of course. Pelosi won’t kill her own constituents.

Instead the evil witch tries to give them healthcare. The nerve of her and her lady bits!!!!
//

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HappyWarrior  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:52:08am

re: #736 JordanRules

Knew it was coming but fuck these ignorant shitstains!!

Now now we must be understanding towards those in our population who support a mass murdererimg tyrant who their fueher praised.//

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Sir John Barron  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:52:42am

re: #733 Winston_Smith

NEW POLL: More Republicans view Kim Jong Un favorably than they do Pelosi thehill.com pic.twitter.com

— The Hill

Well, he has a very effective border policy, he controls the media, he doesn’t have a legislative body interfering with his kingly prerogatives. He’s a very Christian leader.

/

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Belafon  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:52:58am

re: #734 JordanRules

Not that I was around in the 50s and 60s, but this feels to me like what I’ve read about when cameras finally started going into the South. Once it shows up on the evening news, it’s going to make a whole lot more people appalled.

And I think we need to start arguing that every family Trump has harmed this way is now our responsibility as a country. Trump has made them our neighbors.

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wrenchwench  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:53:41am

re: #728 JordanRules

Like right now. It’s not coming. It’s here.

I saw the Tea Party, and I said, ‘Look how weak they are. They can’t do anything.’

Now I’m all, ‘Oh shit. Wrong again.’

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meteor  Jun 18, 2018 • 10:53:47am
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MsJ  Jun 18,